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Title: Big East Conference BET Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2019, 09:41:22 AM
Big East has a solid set of opening games. Looking forward to the league putting up another strong Non Conference  performance

Wagner at Seton Hall   

Jacksonville at Xavier   .

Loyola at Marquette   

Kennesaw State at Creighton   

Alcorn State at DePaul   

Sacred Heart at Providence   

Army at Villanova   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2019, 05:37:43 PM
The Hall playing in Walsh Gymnasium tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: lessthannick11 on November 05, 2019, 06:02:07 PM
The Hall playing in Walsh Gymnasium tonight.


Why? That looks like a high school gym
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2019, 08:04:18 PM
Solid wins for X and The Hall
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 05, 2019, 08:05:41 PM
Solid wins for X and The Hall

Solid???
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: war1980rior on November 05, 2019, 09:06:11 PM
Can't get the MU game, so I've been watching Nova.  Robinson-Earl will be a beast!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 05, 2019, 09:09:22 PM
Solid???

In the words of Juan Antonio Herman Cain, solid is not “most excellent”.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 05, 2019, 09:31:50 PM
Not Big East, but obviously of interest here ...

After a slow start, St. Mary's has a 9-point lead over F%cky with 8 mins to play.

Why the eff are these two teams playing in a junior high school gym in South Dakota?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 05, 2019, 09:38:11 PM
Not Big East, but obviously of interest here ...

After a slow start, St. Mary's has a 9-point lead over F%cky with 8 mins to play.

Why the eff are these two teams playing in a junior high school gym in South Dakota?

To support the Krabbenhoft Klan.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 05, 2019, 09:57:37 PM
To support the Krabbenhoft Klan.

OT!

But first, the Bumblefork Middle School band will play 25 or 6 to 4.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 05, 2019, 10:08:44 PM
Not Big East, but obviously of interest here ...

After a slow start, St. Mary's has a 9-point lead over F%cky with 8 mins to play.

Why the eff are these two teams playing in a junior high school gym in South Dakota?

If St. Marys is a top 20 team. This is a brutal year for college hoops.

They have 1 guy(who is now taking awful hero shots), another guy who based off past stats appears to be quality. And then a handful of guys who legit probably shouldnt start for the team we just beat.

Johnson and their big 6'10 doofus are just awful basketball players.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 05, 2019, 10:18:29 PM
Fye-Fye, F%cky!

A great night whenever our Warriors win ... and an even great night when F%cky fails, too.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2019, 10:31:49 PM
DePaul Solid win over Alcorn State
Creighton Routed Kennesaw State
Cooley &Co annihilated Sacred Heart
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 05, 2019, 10:37:13 PM
Some notable non Big East  non conference upsets......Nebraska loses to Cal Riverside.by 19 in Hoiberg debut.....Alabama loses to Penn in Oats debut......not an upset but 24th ranked Auburn struggled with Georgia Southern winning by 9.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 05, 2019, 10:47:23 PM
Some notable non Big East  non conference upsets......Nebraska loses to Cal Riverside.by 19 in Hoiberg debut.....Alabama loses to Penn in Oats debut......not an upset but 24th ranked Auburn struggled with Georgia Southern winning by 9.

Cheats one point in 26 minutes
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on November 06, 2019, 01:42:39 AM
Cheats one point in 26 minutes

Damn.

I really thought after his freshman year he might have a shot to break Jerel’s record.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 06, 2019, 08:30:09 AM
Villanova’s two freshman in starting line up got off to solid start on their career in the win over Army last night.

Next game against Ohio State should be more of a test
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 06, 2019, 08:32:52 AM
Michigan struggled with Appalachian state before winning.  Must have thought it was a football game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BCHoopster on November 06, 2019, 09:04:32 AM
Michigan struggled with Appalachian state before winning.  Must have thought it was a football game.

Jalen Wilson barely got off the bench for Kansas, hope he enjoys the pine this year!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2019, 10:16:48 AM
Some notable non Big East  non conference upsets......Nebraska loses to Cal Riverside.by 19 in Hoiberg debut.....Alabama loses to Penn in Oats debut......not an upset but 24th ranked Auburn struggled with Georgia Southern winning by 9.

Oh boy ... can just imagine Scoopageddon if Oats had come here and lost to an Ivy school at home in his debut.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on November 06, 2019, 10:24:39 AM
Michigan struggled with Appalachian state before winning.  Must have thought it was a football game.

And Illinois needed overtime to beat Nicholls State.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 06, 2019, 06:32:00 PM
Mt St Marys with an early lead on Ewing & Company

Butler and The Johnnies comfortably up at half.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 06, 2019, 06:37:16 PM
Georgetown down by 10. (27-17)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 06, 2019, 06:48:59 PM
Ewing using timeouts like Deane.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: jsglow on November 06, 2019, 06:54:48 PM
This second half at GTown might be worth a watching.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 06, 2019, 07:10:48 PM
McDermott looking strong for Butler. Shooting well from the wing.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 06, 2019, 07:13:58 PM
I know a home loss to St Mary's hurts the overall conference rankings, but I can't help it.   I love watching Akinjo and McClung stink up the gym
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 06, 2019, 07:14:23 PM
The Hoyas are struggling....  . To say the least...   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: jsglow on November 06, 2019, 07:15:06 PM
Where's that Hoya guy that trolls us?  O-M-G.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 06, 2019, 07:21:25 PM
I know a home loss to St Mary's hurts the overall conference rankings, but I can't help it.   I love watching Akinjo and McClung stink up the gym

Agreed. I’d be thrilled to see them and Seton Hall lose every game they play this year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on November 06, 2019, 07:22:43 PM
Ewing has been mediocre. Should have kept GT3. Way better recruiter
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 06, 2019, 07:31:00 PM
19 point lead is down to 5. Games on CBSSN.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 06, 2019, 07:32:04 PM
Ah, well.  Fun while it lasted.  Akinjo found his game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 06, 2019, 07:32:52 PM
Depaul is playing an exhibition game the night after they opened the season........who does that?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2019, 07:33:25 PM
Depaul is playing an exhibition game the night after they opened the season........who does that?

DePaul does because their terrible coach got suspended 3 games for cheating
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 06, 2019, 07:38:43 PM
MSM up 5  over Ewing & Co.  with 8:45 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 06, 2019, 07:56:53 PM
DePaul does because their terrible coach got suspended 3 games for cheating

Yup, this is the "how can we get Leitao eligible for Gavitt" scheduling.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 06, 2019, 07:57:22 PM
Cincy 6 Ohio State 0.....12:41 left in first half...   

Wonder what the game thread looks like?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2019, 07:59:07 PM
Cincy 6 Ohio State 0.....12:41 left in first half...   

Wonder what the game thread looks like?

Was thinking that about the Georgetown game
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 06, 2019, 08:00:05 PM
Depaul is playing an exhibition game the night after they opened the season........who does that?
I don't believe it's a exhibition game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 06, 2019, 08:01:30 PM
Wow. 20-0 run by Georgetown.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 06, 2019, 08:04:47 PM
Hoya's with solid comeback.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 06, 2019, 08:07:50 PM
I don't believe it's a exhibition game.

Was going by the info in my channel guide. Says Chicago is D 3 and calls it an Exhibition game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 06, 2019, 08:15:50 PM
The ACC is starting the season with conference games...not sure if I like that. I don’t mind the early conference games like the B1G or the BE next year, but the first game out of the box seems less than optimal.  Thoughts?

I think it favors the more experienced teams and the ones who had the summer opportunity. Not really supportive of the parity play for more conference teams in the NCAA as early season is a bit unbalanced on the experience meter.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 06, 2019, 08:22:41 PM
The ACC is starting the season with conference games...not sure if I like that. I don’t mind the early conference games like the B1G or the BE next year, but the first game out of the box seems less than optimal.  Thoughts?

I think it favors the more experienced teams and the ones who had the summer opportunity. Not really supportive of the parity play for more conference teams in the NCAA as early season is a bit unbalanced on the experience meter.

Agreed.......hope we don't do that next season. Give them a few games to settle in ......quality of play is almost never good to start the season.

I.e. Virginia 13 Syracuse 2 9 minutes left in the first half.......ugh
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 06, 2019, 08:27:10 PM
They’re doing it for football so why not basketball?  But that being said, I’d rather not.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 06, 2019, 08:32:53 PM
They’re doing it for football so why not basketball?  But that being said, I’d rather not.

But football has the spring season and summer camps..after the bowl dance. So, does basketball become 10 months too?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on November 06, 2019, 08:38:48 PM
Michigan struggled with Appalachian state before winning.  Must have thought it was a football game.

(Underrated post)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 06, 2019, 08:46:22 PM
The ACC is starting the season with conference games...not sure if I like that. I don’t mind the early conference games like the B1G or the BE next year, but the first game out of the box seems less than optimal.  Thoughts?


Not sure if this will continue in 2020 to start the season. Yet, the goal is to push the new ACC Network.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on November 06, 2019, 09:17:30 PM
Can someone count how many people are at Wintrust Arena tonight?  There might be 300 people.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on November 08, 2019, 01:33:07 PM
DePaul in sole possession of first place in the conference.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 08, 2019, 01:39:07 PM
DePaul in sole possession of first place in the conference.

Hang a banner!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on November 08, 2019, 01:42:00 PM
DePaul in sole possession of first place in the conference.
wrong thread...

try here:  https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48600.msg1167290#msg1167290 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48600.msg1167290#msg1167290)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 08, 2019, 02:17:34 PM
Hang a banner!

Or a license plate holder.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on November 09, 2019, 02:17:56 PM
Myles Powell limped off the court in the early part of Seton Halls game, hasn’t returned
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2019, 02:24:09 PM
Don’t understand why Seton Hall playing their early games in a 1600 seat gym .
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: HowardsWorld on November 09, 2019, 02:27:26 PM
Myles Powell limped off the court in the early part of Seton Halls game, hasn’t returned

Hes not going to get an ounce of sympathy here after what he caused in the big east tournament last year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 09, 2019, 02:28:24 PM
Hes not going to get an ounce of sympathy here after what he caused in the big east tournament last year.

Yeah, hate to see it.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2019, 02:33:44 PM
Ewing & Company post a solid win.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: source? on November 09, 2019, 02:34:08 PM
Hall looks really bad without him.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 09, 2019, 02:36:53 PM
Ewing & Company post a solid win.

I watched......it wasn't all that solid.....
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on November 09, 2019, 02:41:06 PM
Hes not going to get an ounce of sympathy here after what he caused in the big east tournament last year.

🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 09, 2019, 02:45:24 PM
Ewing & Company post a solid win.

If GT was legit, they should've smoked UCA, who is the worst team from a metric perspective on their schedule. They struggled all game long to put them away and despite the win, certainly didn't do so in solid fashion. The Hoyas and Pirates both looking overrated in how they handle cupcakes so far.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 09, 2019, 02:50:23 PM
Combine this game and the Mt. St. Mary's game..... well, Georgetown should be very coachable right now.   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2019, 03:17:46 PM
Mamu gets elbowed to the face and out for The Hall now...
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2019, 03:33:50 PM
The Hall with nice run in second half without Powell for a solid victory.

They can build off that kind of performance. Will need Powell to have a chance versus MSU.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 09, 2019, 03:36:17 PM
Indiana with a less then solid 85-74 win over Portland State.....Pomeroy had this as an expected 85-62 win.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2019, 04:30:33 PM
Cooley &Company up comfortably at half.

The Johnnies in control against Central Connecticut
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2019, 05:05:30 PM
Although I enjoyed Mullin, I think The Johnnies new coach is focused on a more fundamentally sound approach to the game. Team is moving the ball around  which is something we have not seen from them in a long time.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2019, 05:09:26 PM
See comments from Willard re: Powell.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/11/09/seton-hall-basketball-myles-powell/2518127001/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 09, 2019, 05:11:26 PM
Went to DePaul game last night. (With about 900 of my closest friends.)

Charlie Moore very good. Absolutely the key to their team this season. Displayed nice PG skills and instincts. Got buckets when DePaul needed them. Probably just a hair taller then Markus.

Paul Reed looked pretty good also. Displayed some nice offensive moves. I could see him justifying his third team All BE selection.

The rest of the team...

(https://i.imgflip.com/2kcr9g.jpg)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2019, 05:26:28 PM
Cooley & Company with a solid performance against NJIT. Rack up their second win.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 09, 2019, 05:37:38 PM
Cooley & Company with a solid performance against NJIT. Rack up their second win.

Based on non-con results against cupcakes, which is certainly not the best measuring stick, but all we have so far, Villanova, Providence, and Marquette look like the contenders, SHU & GT look overrated, and Anderson looks like he might be better than expected at St. John's.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2019, 05:51:43 PM
Based on non-con results against cupcakes, which is certainly not the best measuring stick, but all we have so far, Villanova, Providence, and Marquette look like the contenders, SHU & GT look overrated, and Anderson looks like he might be better than expected at St. John's.
The Hall beat Stony Brook , a quality mid major , without Powell. So that should be factored into the thought process.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 09, 2019, 07:05:31 PM
The Hall beat Stony Brook , a quality mid major , without Powell. So that should be factored into the thought process.

Solid or quality?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 09, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
Solid or quality?

They're like a hybrid of the two. They're...squalid.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2019, 09:05:12 AM
Butler off to a nice start. They had a solid win over Buzz old employer New Orleans.

Transfer Bryce Nyze seems to be doing well. Averaging 14.5 ppg and 10.5 rpg through the first two games.

I think many are overlooking Butler. They have some decent talent in their starting lineup.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 11, 2019, 03:33:43 PM
I'd love to see Depaul get the win @ Iowa tonight.

Since its the only game of note tonight, and I really don't want to watch football, I decided to light $20 on a fire on Depaul +375.   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on November 11, 2019, 03:39:03 PM
They're like a hybrid of the two. They're...squalid.

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 11, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
Depaul 13 Iowa 2 early
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 11, 2019, 07:30:37 PM
DePaul 35 Iowa 13
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 11, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
LFG Depaul
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 11, 2019, 07:36:18 PM
If Depaul is indeed the 10th place team,in the BE thie conference is going to be brutal this season.....
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 11, 2019, 07:40:01 PM
If Depaul is indeed the 10th place team,in the BE thie conference is going to be brutal this season.....

Yah, which isn’t great for the conference. For a 10 team league to get 7-8 teams in, it absolutely needs two doormats. This DePaul team is going to win some games in league play.

Which another is why the noncon is so important for a 10 team league.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 11, 2019, 07:49:14 PM
Halftime: De Paul 53 Iowa 30
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 11, 2019, 07:54:38 PM
Yah, which isn’t great for the conference. For a 10 team league to get 7-8 teams in, it absolutely needs two doormats. This DePaul team is going to win some games in league play.

Which another is why the noncon is so important for a 10 team league.
Unless all 10 kick butt in the non conference.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 11, 2019, 08:15:57 PM
Halftime: De Paul 53 Iowa 30

In the Cuddle with Fran

(http://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/fran_thumb.gif)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 11, 2019, 08:33:52 PM
Lavin taking the Depaul love a bit far. NCAA tournament team? Top half of the league? GMAB.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2019, 08:52:03 PM
DePaul has a competitive group of players. It is just a question of the guys jelling and building confidence in each other. That is the secret sauce to success. 

Last year they started to gain that confidence and it is carrying through in the early part of the season for them.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 11, 2019, 09:05:22 PM
DePaul has a competitive group of players. It is just a question of the guys jelling and building confidence in each other. That is the secret sauce to success. 

Last year they started to gain that confidence and it is carrying through in the early part of the season for them.

Either that or they got a big time point guard to run the ship
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 11, 2019, 09:21:22 PM
Lavin taking the Depaul love a bit far. NCAA tournament team? Top half of the league? GMAB.

Let’s see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2019, 09:33:28 PM
I think Jalen Coleman-Lands has another year of eligibility after this one as well. He only participated in 9 games last year before he got hurt. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on November 11, 2019, 10:09:26 PM
Absolutely hilarious game thread on iowa board if youre bored.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 11, 2019, 11:08:20 PM
Moore and Coleman-Lands are a legitimate D1 backcourt, and as soon as Jacobs gets his feet underneath him after coming back from an ACL injury, thats a really nice scoring option off the bench.

Definitely not anointing them as tourney team yet though. I was at the FDU game, theres still a lot to be desired...
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 12, 2019, 06:18:02 PM
Creighton up 3 at the half vs Michigan in Ann Arbor
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 12, 2019, 06:19:35 PM
Creighton up 3 at the half vs Michigan in Ann Arbor

Both teams look very good offensively.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2019, 06:36:19 PM
St. John’s down 10 early to New Hampshire
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 12, 2019, 06:47:25 PM
X up big on Missouri  27-12
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on November 12, 2019, 07:02:20 PM
Creighton's defense looks sieve-like again this year.  Part of it is style of play but McDermott really needs to find someone to teach his teams some defense.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 12, 2019, 07:19:39 PM
Creighton has some injury issues.

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on November 12, 2019, 07:39:15 PM
Not BE but #1 Kentucky down a few points to Evansville with just 6 to play.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 12, 2019, 07:46:10 PM
Xavier's offense has disappeared in the 2nd half.......down 43-38 with 6 minutes left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: oldwarrior81 on November 12, 2019, 07:48:09 PM
I think Jalen Coleman-Lands has another year of eligibility after this one as well. He only participated in 9 games last year before he got hurt.

This is his 5th season.  Although maybe that injury last year is enough to get granted a 6th?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 12, 2019, 08:05:06 PM
Down goes Kentucky........no sure wins in CBB......even for Hall of Fame coaches with 5 stars up and down the roster......

Aces were picked 7th in the Valley.....
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 12, 2019, 08:09:21 PM
Evansville had never beaten an ap ranked team on the road ......ever

https://twitter.com/espnstatsinfo/status/1194435844532256768?s=21
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 12, 2019, 08:11:36 PM
Demir is.... not good. Drexel transfer to Minn that was mentioned here this summer. Ooofta
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 12, 2019, 08:52:56 PM
Demir is.... not good. Drexel transfer to Minn that was mentioned here this summer. Ooofta

I was just coming here to say it.

I mentioned him.

He SUCKS
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: fjm on November 12, 2019, 08:58:38 PM
Auburn down 1 with 20 seconds left.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on November 12, 2019, 09:14:36 PM
Xavier guts out a 63-58 OT win over Mizzou.

Creighton loses at Michigan 79-69.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on November 12, 2019, 09:32:57 PM
St. John's wins at home over New Hampshire 74-61.

Butler 64 - Minny 56.

OT: I4 wins at home over North Alabama 91-65.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on November 12, 2019, 09:58:27 PM
Man, some rough efficiency nights for a few pre-season all-Beast players.  Alexander 20 points on 22 shots, Marshall 17 points on 16 shots, Baldwin needing 24 shots to get 27 points.  Maybe Markus' 38 points on 20 shots isn't as bad as a few here made it out to be?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 12, 2019, 10:19:43 PM
Helpful to the leagues cause that Butler and The Johnnies are getting off to a nice start. The more that the projected second half teams do well the better off everyone is.

Also helpful that Xavier showed some mettle coming from behind against Mizzou.

Not overly concerned that Creighton lost on the road to a decent  Michigan squad.  We know the Jays have no depth and no defense, which hurt them in the second half. They are going to be entertaining though.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Phuket MU Fan on November 13, 2019, 03:53:24 AM
I know it’s based on the number of games played, but it still looks unnatural to see DePaul at the top of the conference standings and Marquette and Villanova near the bottom. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on November 13, 2019, 07:25:44 AM
I know it’s based on the number of games played, but it still looks unnatural to see DePaul at the top of the conference standings and Marquette and Villanova near the bottom.

Makes you want to throw your hands up and say Phuket all
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 13, 2019, 09:55:36 AM
Demir is.... not good. Drexel transfer to Minn that was mentioned here this summer. Ooofta

Yah...woof.  Super unathletic.  Bullet dodged there. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 13, 2019, 10:04:56 AM
I know it’s based on the number of games played, but it still looks unnatural to see DePaul at the top of the conference standings and Marquette and Villanova near the bottom.

Hope that is not an omen.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on November 13, 2019, 10:09:24 AM
I know it’s based on the number of games played, but it still looks unnatural to see DePaul at the top of the conference standings and Marquette and Villanova near the bottom.

Fire Wojo!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 13, 2019, 06:12:34 PM
Nova getting boat raced early.. .   Down 17-3.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2019, 06:20:49 PM
Turned on TV to see Nova down 17-4. Yikes!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 13, 2019, 06:26:36 PM
They don't look good.......OSU shooting the lights out and Nova having trouble running anything.

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on November 13, 2019, 06:31:48 PM
Man, this is ugly.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 13, 2019, 06:35:11 PM
Man, this is ugly.

I still maintain MU can and should win the Big East. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 13, 2019, 06:37:03 PM
You can see lots of crazy results early in the season as coaches are trying to figure out their teams......the young players for Nova look overwhelmed .......

It happens

OSU looks fantastic
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 13, 2019, 06:42:05 PM
You can see lots of crazy results early in the season as coaches are trying to figure out their teams......the young players for Nova look overwhelmed .......

It happens

OSU looks fantastic

This.  Ton of talent on Villanova.  Just a shock to the system right now.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 13, 2019, 06:43:29 PM
nova-another example of why preseason rankings are weird
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2019, 06:45:25 PM
November matters in March for seeding but how a team plays in November doesn’t often resemble the team it is in March.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 13, 2019, 06:45:53 PM
nova-another example of why preseason rankings are weird

What's McNeese State ranked?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 13, 2019, 06:47:32 PM
Nova's offense looked much better with Brunson  making plays for Bridges, Spellman, Booth, Paschall and DD.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 13, 2019, 06:48:23 PM
Nova's offense looked much better with Brunson  making plays for Bridges, Spellman, Booth, Paschall and DD.

Ya think? I'm not convinced.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2019, 06:49:25 PM
Channel surfed for a few mins to check out the news of the day. Returned to find Nova down 38-12. Guess I don't need to waste more time on FS1 till our game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 13, 2019, 06:55:39 PM
It kind of shows how fragile CBB is....'Nova went from Arch to Brunson......then they thought they had point guard covered going forward with Gillespie and Quinerly.....  Both were highly rated.....Gillespie hasn't  been a difference maker and Quinerly obviously was a bust.....at least at Nova
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 13, 2019, 06:56:12 PM
What's McNeese State ranked?

  before they beat da vermin?  don't think it goes that high though
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 13, 2019, 07:13:29 PM
Nova lost to Michigan by 100 in the Gavitt games last year and finished alright
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2019, 07:14:24 PM
So when this dreadful game goes well past 9, I guess we'll just be stuck waiting for them to put our game on.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 13, 2019, 07:28:27 PM
Nova lost to Michigan by 100 in the Gavitt games last year and finished alright

Yeah.  I remember MUScoop being thrilled that we should be head and shoulders better than Nova because Michigan was smoking them...and then we watched MU get smoked just as bad by Indiana.

Jay Wright is a proven coach.  He'll have his team much better come BE play.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 13, 2019, 07:29:38 PM
Nova cannot buy a 3. Missed a TON of wide open ones.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 13, 2019, 07:31:15 PM
So when this dreadful game goes well past 9, I guess we'll just be stuck waiting for them to put our game on.

Likely be on fs 2to start
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on November 13, 2019, 07:37:16 PM
Ohio st has 2 starters out. I mean nova has been just embarrassed out there. Awful for them. I guess I wanna say this is that nasty combination where you have your worst performance all season and they are having there best performance all season and this is the result. Jeez
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 13, 2019, 07:39:08 PM
Nova's offense looked much better with Brunson  making plays for Bridges, Spellman, Booth, Paschall and DD.

Lol...That is what, 5 dudes getting regular nba PT?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 13, 2019, 07:44:45 PM
Lol...That is what, 5 dudes getting regular nba PT?

People do realize I was trying to be funny right?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 13, 2019, 07:45:51 PM
People do realize I was trying to be funny right?

I guess I missed the sarcasm - sorry!!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 13, 2019, 07:57:18 PM
Nova lost to Michigan by 100 in the Gavitt games last year and finished alright

..and they followed up that 73-46 loss by losing to FURMAN at home... then got a 6-seed in the tourney.

Maybe more than 'early season rankings' not mattering, it's that a game or two no matta
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 13, 2019, 10:28:27 PM
Cooley& Company screwed the league tonight losing to Northwestern.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 13, 2019, 10:46:34 PM
Cooley& Company screwed the league tonight losing to Northwestern.

Who just lost to Merrimac who just got hosed by Maine. Fortunately the transitive property of basketball isn't a thing
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on November 14, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
Okay, so serious question.  Before last night, has a team ever forced twice as many TOs as they committed, had 25 more shot attempts and still lost?  These stats are just amazingly weird.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/matchup?gameId=401166063
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 14, 2019, 10:04:24 AM
Okay, so serious question.  Before last night, has a team ever forced twice as many TOs as they committed, had 25 more shot attempts and still lost?  These stats are just amazingly weird.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/matchup?gameId=401166063

I'm sure it has many times but probably not that common. As Jay Bee would say, eFG% reigns supreme.

Four Factors to winning a basketball game in order of importance:
1. eFG% (NW by a lot)
2. OR% (PC by a lot)
3. TO% (PC by a lot)
4. FTR (NW)

Despite PC controlling the boards and the TO's, Northwestern's efficient shooting (or more accurately PC's inefficient shooting) was enough for them to cruise to a 9 point victory.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2019, 11:39:36 AM
That's a bad loss to a bad team by PC.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 14, 2019, 11:49:40 AM
Ohio st has 2 starters out. I mean nova has been just embarrassed out there. Awful for them. I guess I wanna say this is that nasty combination where you have your worst performance all season and they are having there best performance all season and this is the result. Jeez

Boy has Dj Carton looked good in the cincy n nova games.  Plays like a senior n really really skilled!!!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 14, 2019, 12:40:26 PM
Boy has Dj Carton looked good in the cincy n nova games.  Plays like a senior n really really skilled!!!

Thought the same thing. Carton is another recruit in the staff's long list of recruits they offered long before they blew up in the rankings. The staff certainly has an eye for talent. I just hope they get better at landing them!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Nukem2 on November 14, 2019, 12:46:18 PM
I'm sure it has many times but probably not that common. As Jay Bee would say, eFG% reigns supreme.

Four Factors to winning a basketball game in order of importance:
1. eFG% (NW by a lot)
2. OR% (PC by a lot)
3. TO% (PC by a lot)
4. FTR (NW)

Despite PC controlling the boards and the TO's, Northwestern's efficient shooting (or more accurately PC's inefficient shooting) was enough for them to cruise to a 9 point victory.
Friars are playing without Nate Watson yet.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 14, 2019, 01:09:26 PM
Friars are playing without Nate Watson yet.

Yep. He will add a dimension to their game that will really help them. Their backup, former MU target Kalif Young, is serviceable but looks like another version of Matt Heldt.

Reeves stunk it up for them last night too. Friar fans have been selling the idea that the injury last season is what caused him to fade down the stretch. While I'm sure it was a factor, I think it may have more been about the increase in competition. He shredded opposing cupcakes but even preinjury struggled against real teams.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 14, 2019, 01:38:14 PM
Okay, so serious question.  Before last night, has a team ever forced twice as many TOs as they committed, had 25 more shot attempts and still lost?  These stats are just amazingly weird.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/matchup?gameId=401166063

25 FGA diff is pretty high but yeah it happens. I tried to find one to find one quickly... 1/3/19... new mex at had 29 more FGA and 1/2 the turnovers of Cal Baptist... lost
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on November 14, 2019, 05:57:13 PM
I guess quick starts in Gavitt Games is just a DePaul thing?  Gtown had already matched our biggest deficit.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2019, 05:58:19 PM
I guess quick starts in Gavitt Games is just a DePaul thing?  Gtown had already matched our biggest deficit.

GTown has looked like hot trash this year
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on November 14, 2019, 06:14:41 PM
Georgetown has been mediocre ever since they got rid of JT3. Recruiting wise its ben a huge drop off. They are kind of like Syracuse. Just kinda fell off in the last several years. Cant grab the top talent as easy anymore it seems
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on November 14, 2019, 06:29:31 PM
Georgetown has been mediocre ever since they got rid of JT3. Recruiting wise its ben a huge drop off. They are kind of like Syracuse. Just kinda fell off in the last several years. Cant grab the top talent as easy anymore it seems

Half of the All-Freshman team from last season were Hoyas. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 14, 2019, 06:36:48 PM
Penn State up 42-34 over Ewing and Associates.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on November 14, 2019, 06:41:22 PM
Half of the All-Freshman team from last season were Hoyas.

Yeah and how they doing this year? I meant on paper. Usually got top 50ish kids left and right. Now not so much. Pat's best recruit rank wise was in the 80s with akinjo and Williams? The other guys are 3 stars.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 14, 2019, 06:42:18 PM
13 first half turnovers for Hoyas but still,in the game
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on November 14, 2019, 06:47:46 PM

Yeah and how they doing this year? I meant on paper. Usually got top 50ish kids left and right. Now not so much. Pat's best recruit rank wise was in the 80s with akinjo and Williams? The other guys are 3 stars.

Ah. So you're a proponent of hype over production?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 14, 2019, 06:53:39 PM
Penn State is playing smarter and tougher than Georgetown right now.    Maybe Akinjo and McClunk pick it up.   But the times I have watched the Hoyas so far, they do not look like contenders.   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 14, 2019, 07:31:32 PM
Powell will play tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 14, 2019, 07:34:40 PM
Powell will play tonight.

I know it would be better for Marquette if the Hall wins, but man I have never disliked a college athlete more than Myles Powell.

Is this what it was like watching Devendorf?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 14, 2019, 07:47:11 PM
I enjoy Seton Hall. We need that old hate back in the Big East. Don't know too many who don't hate Syracuse.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 14, 2019, 08:00:56 PM
Half of the All-Freshman team from last season were Hoyas.

Yeah, because of volume. They played a ton of frosh, others didn't. Barely anyone was 'eligible' for the award. They were bad. And are bad.

"All-X" teams must be understood. If you're "oooh, we've got three out of the 7 potential candidates", that means jack. 

#McClungCantShoot
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 14, 2019, 08:18:31 PM
Ewing and Associates screwed the conference by losing to Penn State tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 14, 2019, 08:20:15 PM
Ewing and Associates screwed the conference by losing to Penn State tonight.

Getting blown out by by Penn State.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 14, 2019, 09:06:29 PM
I know it would be better for Marquette if the Hall wins, but man I have never disliked a college athlete more than Myles Powell.

Is this what it was like watching Devendorf?

As far as I know, Powell hasn’t assaulted multiple women like Deventrash did. I’ll take punk on the court over menace off the court any day.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on November 14, 2019, 09:08:40 PM
Ah. So you're a proponent of hype over production?
Lol they have produced what exactly so far?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 14, 2019, 09:11:30 PM
MSU up 3 over The Hall . 13:42 left 

Gill making his presence known on defense.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 14, 2019, 09:13:28 PM
50 -47 MSU 11:43 left

Powell with 21
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Bad_Reporter on November 14, 2019, 09:39:35 PM
Ice in his veins! Say what you want of Powell, but dude can ball.  Passing, shooting, everything
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Bad_Reporter on November 14, 2019, 09:41:00 PM
Wow, just wow.  Amazing performance especially in crunch time
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 14, 2019, 09:41:14 PM
Injured ankle my ass...
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 14, 2019, 09:42:35 PM
Severe ankle injury my ass
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 14, 2019, 09:43:16 PM
Tied 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2019, 09:46:30 PM
Seems the reports of Powell's death were greatly exaggerated.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Bad_Reporter on November 14, 2019, 09:47:25 PM
Seems the reports of Powell's death were greatly exaggerated.

Or steroids work really well?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on November 14, 2019, 09:48:39 PM
They just called a foul on Theo during the SHU-MSU game
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: WithoutBias on November 14, 2019, 09:48:51 PM
SHU filled with fake tough guy punks. But they are much better than many here want to admit.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Bad_Reporter on November 14, 2019, 09:51:08 PM
Bad no call on hall.  Not looking good
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on November 14, 2019, 09:51:27 PM
This game can't be using the same rules that Theo played with last year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: injuryBug on November 14, 2019, 09:51:40 PM
cannot even get a shot off the last 2 trips that is awful
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 14, 2019, 09:52:06 PM
Nice pass Myles. Shockingly the ankle, which has given him no issues, is hurting.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 14, 2019, 09:54:01 PM
Powell great game but not enough. The Hall is going to be tough.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on November 14, 2019, 09:54:27 PM
SHU filled with fake tough guy punks. But they are much better than many here want to admit.

They're the same team as last year. Powell will shoot 27 times. If he makes 12, it's a tight game. If he makes eight, they lose comfortably. Nothing of note on that roster.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2019, 09:55:11 PM
I like both of those non-calls as a fan of neither team, but I sure would have wanted at least one of them if I were a Seton Hall fan.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 14, 2019, 09:55:38 PM
Ya just hate to see that...
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 14, 2019, 09:57:17 PM
SHU filled with fake tough guy punks. But they are much better than many here want to admit.

Don't get me wrong they ain't bad but they are merely solid.

Powell takes like half their shots. Its up to how he plays.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2019, 10:13:21 PM
So what was the final Gavitt Games tally?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on November 14, 2019, 10:14:31 PM
So what was the final Gavitt Games tally?

1-0
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on November 14, 2019, 10:14:53 PM
So what was the final Gavitt Games tally?

5-3 Big Fourteen
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: dajudge on November 14, 2019, 10:35:22 PM
They just called a foul on Theo during the SHU-MSU game
Awesome!!!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 14, 2019, 10:42:09 PM
Ewing played 11 players double digit minutes tonight. Not sure I've ever seen a high major do that in a game against another high major.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2019, 11:04:31 PM
5-3 Big Fourteen

Drats.

So, MU, DePaul and Butler were our only winners? Yay to us, but ugh for the 5 losers. At least Seton Hall lost with dignity (mostly).
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2019, 03:32:14 AM
Seton Hall sucks
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 15, 2019, 06:25:11 AM
SHU filled with fake tough guy punks. But they are much better than many here want to admit.

They were good last night. But they were also good against Kentucky last year then got swept by DePaul. When you have a player that can turn it up like Powell, you have the ability to play with anyone, but when you rely entirely on that player, you also have the ability to lose to anyone, which has shown in their cupcake struggles so far.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 15, 2019, 08:07:45 AM
If Powell was a junior, Willard would be receiving a letter sometime this spring.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 15, 2019, 08:41:53 PM
Xavier worked hard to beat Missouri State
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 16, 2019, 07:54:36 AM
Six Big East games today. Schedule, spreads and crews posted at the pinned at the top in Big East Schedule Thread. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 16, 2019, 08:37:38 AM
Six Big East games today. Schedule, spreads and crews posted at the pinned at the top in Big East Schedule Thread. Enjoy!

Thanks, Mr. N. BEast certainly should go 6-0 today!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 16, 2019, 09:13:51 AM
Thanks, Mr. N. BEast certainly should go 6-0 today!

The game to watch will be Vermont at St. John's. Pomeroy has the Johnnies as just a 2-point favorite and I'd guess the Catamounts would be favored on a neutral court. Anthony Lamb is a player with NBA potential and they are always well coached. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Loose Cannon on November 16, 2019, 09:21:15 AM
The game to watch will be Vermont at St. John's. Pomeroy has the Johnnies as just a 2-point favorite and I'd guess the Catamounts would be favored on a neutral court. Anthony Lamb is a player with NBA potential and they are always well coached. Should be a good game.

Thanks for the insight.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 16, 2019, 03:17:16 PM
Rasheem Dunn is making his debut for St. John's. Transferred in from St. Francis-NY via Cleveland State this past summer. He sat out last year at Cleveland State, but when they made a coaching change, he left again and landed with the Johnnies. Should provide an offensive boost.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 16, 2019, 04:01:42 PM
After trailing by as much as 6, St. John's rallied with an 11-0 rally to end the half with a 31-26 lead over Vermont. Good one on FS2.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on November 16, 2019, 04:11:30 PM
Yes....Lamb is a solid player. You were right on him. Doing a little of everything.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2019, 05:16:05 PM
Vermont avoids the upset and beats St. John’s
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Loose Cannon on November 16, 2019, 05:33:10 PM
Yes....Lamb is a solid player. You were right on him. Doing a little of everything.

Brew on the Beam.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 16, 2019, 05:51:46 PM
The game to watch will be Vermont at St. John's. Pomeroy has the Johnnies as just a 2-point favorite and I'd guess the Catamounts would be favored on a neutral court. Anthony Lamb is a player with NBA potential and they are always well coached. Should be a good game.

You da man, brewski!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 16, 2019, 06:30:35 PM
Johnnie's had a great run to tie it up at the end.... then Anthony Lamb buried a last second two in their face for the win
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 16, 2019, 06:36:41 PM
St. John's lost, but my opinion of them is higher than it was to start the day. Vermont is an incredibly well-disciplined team and a number of times, St. John's high-pressure defense took them out of synch. SJU absolutely could've won that game and while the Catamounts won't like get an at-large (though a road win over Virginia or Cincy could get them in the mix) they do have a good chance to be a tournament team.

The Johnnies will likely get better as the season goes on. They have athleticism and the kind of style that can really give teams problems. I think they will get some wins people don't expect them to get, and if they are the "bottom" of the league along with DePaul, then this is going to be an incredibly tough league.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 16, 2019, 06:38:25 PM
Creighton struggling at home with Louisiana Tech. Jays lead 69-67 with just under 4:00 to play.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2019, 06:40:10 PM
DePaul leading the league
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2019, 09:05:44 PM
Bryce Nze continues to produce for Butler .  I think many may not have figured his contributions into their outlook this season. Butler  is not a deep squad but the starters are solid and glad to see them beat Wofford which is the kind of team that can be a thorn in the behind.

Also good to see Creighton and Providence post solid cupcake wins.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2019, 03:13:55 PM
Seton Hall 12 St. Louis 3 14:43 left first half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2019, 06:06:02 PM
Quality road win today for The Hall against St Louis.

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2019, 07:09:10 PM
Georgia State up 6 on Georgetown with 4:47 left first.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2019, 07:25:40 PM
Georgia State up 6 at halftime over Ewing and Associates. 39-33.

Lots of empty seats not a good look .
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: THRILLHO on November 17, 2019, 07:37:36 PM
Georgia State up 6 at halftime over Ewing and Associates. 39-33.

Lots of empty seats not a good look .

In DC for work and got a great seat for $11. May have overpaid.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2019, 07:44:19 PM
In DC for work and got a great seat for $11. May have overpaid.
Crowd needs to get into the game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: THRILLHO on November 17, 2019, 07:52:23 PM
Crowd needs to get into the game.
Crowd is ready to get into it but the team needs to meet them halfway.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: THRILLHO on November 17, 2019, 08:09:48 PM
The good news is they are marketing 3 game packages for "premium" opponents: Nova, Syracuse, and your Marquette Golden Eagles!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2019, 08:10:46 PM
The good news is they are marketing 3 game packages for "premium" opponents: Nova, Syracuse, and your Marquette Golden Eagles!
Like that we are considered a premium opponent.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2019, 08:49:29 PM
Solid Second Half for Ewing and Associates.

McClung with an impressive 25 point showing  coming off the bench.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 18, 2019, 11:24:12 AM
AP Poll

13 The Hall
17 Nova
18 X

Others receiving votes
MU
Butler
Cooley & Company
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 18, 2019, 12:15:25 PM
Bryce Nze continues to produce for Butler .  I think many may not have figured his contributions into their outlook this season.

A post of mine from May 2018 re: Bryce..

IIRC he played up some the year with Nick N. and Henry for WI PGE in the EYBL... looked the part, rebounding ability was evident.

..then the next year - 2015 - he played many minutes along with Kostandinos... rebounded very well there, and has in college. Glad to see him getting a chance in the BEast.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on November 18, 2019, 12:24:45 PM
I wish Bryce nothing but success.  He played in an off season pick up game with us old farts a few years ago.  Still the one and only time a pass of mine ended with a dunk.  Not an alley-oop. Just a normal pass.  Seemed like a good kid.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2019, 08:40:49 PM
Cooley & Company  excellent win over Merrimack.

Conference overall win loss: 32-7
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 20, 2019, 05:47:26 AM
Cooley & Company  excellent win over Merrimack.

Conference overall win loss: 32-7

Merrimack is a solid 274 in KenPom.  That win is immeasurable in many ways for Providence and the Big East
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2019, 06:30:24 AM
Cooley & Company  excellent win over Merrimack.

Conference overall win loss: 32-7

Merrimack beats Northwestern, Northwestern beats Providence, Providence beats Merrimack. Transitive property mindblow.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on November 20, 2019, 08:53:40 AM
Quality road win today for The Hall against St Louis.

Seton Hall looked very good. Controlled the game with length and physicality. No let down from Michigan St. game, on the road, in tough environment. Seton Hall looked very much like a team that returned 9 of its top 11 scorers, and SLU looked very much like a team that has 5 of top 7 rotation players as Freshman and Sophomores.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 20, 2019, 10:40:13 AM
Merrimack beats Northwestern, Northwestern beats Providence, Providence beats Merrimack. Transitive property mindblow.
Now Radford beat Northwestern.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CTWarrior on November 20, 2019, 11:25:45 AM
Cooley & Company  excellent win over Merrimack.

Conference overall win loss: 32-7
4 - 6 against other major conferences (3-6 vs Big 10 and 1-0 vs SEC)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2019, 08:01:31 PM
The Johnnies win the battle of Queens versus Manhattan and beat Columbia. Big East now 33-7 in non conference.

DePaul still on top on the Big East Standings to the left on this page.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 20, 2019, 08:08:01 PM
The Johnnies win the battle of Queens versus Manhattan and beat Columbia. Big East now 33-7 in non conference.

DePaul still on top on the Big East Standings to the left on this page.

U do realize Manhattan college is in The Bronx dont you?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2019, 08:13:45 PM
U do realize Manhattan college is in The Bronx dont you?
Columbia is located in Manhattan on the Upper West side.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 20, 2019, 10:32:19 PM
U do realize Manhattan college is in The Bronx dont you?

Good thing St. John's played Columbia and not Manhattan
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2019, 11:08:51 AM
It would be helpful to the cause if Ewing and Associates can put a whuppin on 22nd ranked Shaka and Texas. The Game is in the Garden so hopefully some local Georgetown people show up.

https://www.hookem.com/2019/11/20/mens-preview-texas-vs-georgetown/

Also would a positive if Xavier can extend their unbeaten streak against Towson.


Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 21, 2019, 11:38:41 AM
Villianova is rolling. Can they get their mojo back in Myrtle Beach.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2019, 12:00:19 PM
Villianova is rolling. Can they get their mojo back in Myrtle Beach.
First game for Bryan Antoine after shoulder surgery in May.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on November 21, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
Doesn't really belong here, but I'm curious what Cooley's plan for recruiting the 2020 class is. They have an open scholarship this season and are graduating 5 players. Those 5 players are 5/6 of their current top minutes getters early in the season. So they have a lot to replace. Despite having six scholarships open they are leaving the early signing period with only 1 player on board, #220 ranked Alyn Breed. Cooley is going to need to have a big late signing period and/or offseason or next season could be really ugly for the Friars.

And yes Herman, I know you are a big fan of Cooley and Co.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2019, 02:47:15 PM
Doesn't really belong here, but I'm curious what Cooley's plan for recruiting the 2020 class is. They have an open scholarship this season and are graduating 5 players. Those 5 players are 5/6 of their current top minutes getters early in the season. So they have a lot to replace. Despite having six scholarships open they are leaving the early signing period with only 1 player on board, #220 ranked Alyn Breed. Cooley is going to need to have a big late signing period and/or offseason or next season could be really ugly for the Friars.

And yes Herman, I know you are a big fan of Cooley and Co.
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2019, 07:26:50 PM
Ewing and Associates up 4 12:03 left second  half

Xavier up 13 10:53 left second half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 21, 2019, 07:34:51 PM
Georgetown looks really good tonight.   They will be hard to beat.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2019, 08:03:24 PM
Ewing and Associates win by 16 over Shaka. Quality win for the Hoyas.

X comfortably beat Tyson. They are now 5-0
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 21, 2019, 08:03:49 PM
Impressive game by Georgetown. Looked great tonight compared to their first few games I've seen.

Xavier took care of Towson.

Seth Greenberg- "The Big East. LOADED.

Sean Farmham- "The Big East top to bottom you can say is the best conference in America"
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2019, 08:09:49 PM
Impressive game by Georgetown. Looked great tonight compared to their first few games I've seen.

Xavier took care of Towson.

Seth Greenberg- "The Big East. LOADED.

Sean Farmham- "The Big East top to bottom you can say is the best conference in America"
They followed that with further hype about the Big East and some Markus mention.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 21, 2019, 08:56:28 PM
The Johnnies win the battle of Queens versus Manhattan and beat Columbia. Big East now 33-7 in non conference.

DePaul still on top on the Big East Standings to the left on this page.

Ah the sentence was confusing to say the least
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2019, 09:20:13 PM
Future Big East Member U Conn tied with Buffalo at half 34-34.

Akok Akok is a serious pogo stick. Hopefully he goes pro before next year lol
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on November 21, 2019, 11:05:11 PM
Didnt think Georgetown looked that great. Reminded me of when they beat us last year. Took a lot of early, well-defended shots. To their credit, they hit them. I don't know that it's a realistic way to win long term.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 22, 2019, 05:27:41 AM
Didnt think Georgetown looked that great. Reminded me of when they beat us last year. Took a lot of early, well-defended shots. To their credit, they hit them. I don't know that it's a realistic way to win long term.

I thought their defense looked very good. Mixed it up down low, made it hard for Texas to score. Other than Coleman bombing threes, the Longhorns couldn't get anything.

Is it just me, or does Akinjo travel on almost every possession? It's like he has a foot-drag move that the refs just weren't calling.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 08:10:47 AM
 Nova facing Ben Howland and Mississippi State at Myrtle Beach Invitational

Morehead State at Butler

Ewing and Associates  versus Duke in the Garden

Cal Poly at  Creighton

Future Big East Rivals X versus  U Conn at Charleston Classic

 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 22, 2019, 08:48:16 AM
Nova facing Bob Howland and Mississippi State at Myrtle Beach Invitational

The new Legend. His older brother Ben is very proud.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 09:56:09 AM
The new Legend. His older brother Ben is very proud.
Correction noted. Auto correct strikes again.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 22, 2019, 10:47:41 AM
I thought their defense looked very good. Mixed it up down low, made it hard for Texas to score. Other than Coleman bombing threes, the Longhorns couldn't get anything.

Is it just me, or does Akinjo travel on almost every possession? It's like he has a foot-drag move that the refs just weren't calling.

I will be at the Gtown game and hope that Marquette does not have to face a similar defensive performance. Gtown shut down a solid Texas team in the 2nd half. Impressive! If Yurtseven stays out of foul trouble (the announcers correctly noted that # 4 and #5 were just dumb) they are going to be a handful.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: 4everDawson on November 22, 2019, 11:01:14 AM
I thought their defense looked very good. Mixed it up down low, made it hard for Texas to score. Other than Coleman bombing threes, the Longhorns couldn't get anything.

Is it just me, or does Akinjo travel on almost every possession? It's like he has a foot-drag move that the refs just weren't calling.

Based on the Wisconsin game officiating, I'd say Akinjo may be living on borrowed time.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 22, 2019, 12:00:50 PM
Georgetown is bunghole
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 04:51:20 PM
Solid win for Nova over Howland and Mississippi State.

JRE  looking strong.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2019, 05:23:26 PM
Solid win for Nova over Howland and Mississippi State.

JRE  looking strong.

Providence over NJIT and Nova over Miss State are the same level of solid.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 22, 2019, 06:22:45 PM
Butler trailing Morehead State on FS1.

Duke/Georegtown to start on espn2.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 06:33:56 PM
Ewing and Associates out to an early lead 12-7 15 minutes left first
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 06:47:21 PM
Butler tied with one of the best named teams in college basketball at half.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 06:52:25 PM
Ewing and Associates up 10 with 9:04 left first 22-12
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2019, 07:13:00 PM
Solid win for Nova over THE GREAT BEN HOWLAND and Mississippi State.

FIFY
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 07:22:20 PM
Ewing and Associates tied at half 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 22, 2019, 07:25:35 PM
we better be ready to roll with some of these dogs!  you've got to be ready to play against everyone...including the evansvilles and the bob morris' of the world
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 07:28:56 PM
Butler up 13 against the best named team in college basketball.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 08:06:15 PM
Butler won by 18

Worth noting that Derrick Smits Butler's 7-1 transfer center has not played all year due to knee issues. In the meantime they have been getting good inside production from Bryce Nze and Bryce Golden .   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 08:39:27 PM
Duke won 81-73
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 22, 2019, 08:57:01 PM
Duke won 81-73

Ewing blew a gasket at some very friendly Coach K calls.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on November 22, 2019, 09:28:54 PM
Ewing blew a gasket at some very friendly Coach K calls.

In Ewing's defense the new flop rules appear not to apply to Duke.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 10:12:24 PM
Creighton with solid win over Cal Poly
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 22, 2019, 10:32:18 PM
Yurtseven on GTown reminds me of freshman Theo but with a nice offensive game. He could be a good one. McClung and Akinjo are quick but make some poor decisions. GTown did a nice job at times getting the ball inside. And refs definitely made a number of questionable calls in Duke's favor.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: oldwarrior81 on November 22, 2019, 10:49:36 PM
Yurtseven on GTown reminds me of freshman Theo but with a nice offensive game. He could be a good one. McClung and Akinjo are quick but make some poor decisions. GTown did a nice job at times getting the ball inside. And refs definitely made a number of questionable calls in Duke's favor.

But isn't Yurtseven in his 4th year of college ball?  I would think he should be more advanced than freshman Theo.  From what I've seen of him in the past he was pretty mobile for his size.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 22, 2019, 10:56:18 PM
But isn't Yurtseven in his 4th year of college ball?  I would think he should be more advanced than freshman Theo.  From what I've seen of him in the past he was pretty mobile for his size.

Yes. My bad. I thought I heard the announcers indicate he was an underclassman.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 22, 2019, 11:10:24 PM
Yurtseven on GTown reminds me of freshman Theo but with a nice offensive game. He could be a good one. McClung and Akinjo are quick but make some poor decisions. GTown did a nice job at times getting the ball inside. And refs definitely made a number of questionable calls in Duke's favor.

mcClung scares the chit out of me.  the lil b'sterd can ring the cowbell man.  had an off night only playing 14 min, 2/7(2/3),  but someone better stay in his yockstrap
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 22, 2019, 11:19:22 PM
Going to a 2OT with Xavier/UConn on ESPNU.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 22, 2019, 11:32:50 PM
This X game may qualify as the worst officiated game all year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 11:35:43 PM
Going to a 2OT with Xavier/UConn on ESPNU.
A preview of our league next year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
This X game may qualify as the worst officiated game all year.

Until the next close game we lose!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2019, 11:41:54 PM
Loved seeing X beat those dirt bags from U Conn.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 23, 2019, 01:44:11 AM
mcClung scares the chit out of me.  the lil b'sterd can ring the cowbell man.  had an off night only playing 14 min, 2/7(2/3),  but someone better stay in his yockstrap

Yeah, he can get hot.

But he was a chucker last year. And hes been one so far this year.

Him and Akinjo have crazy potential but they are not efficient players.......yet.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 23, 2019, 07:43:51 AM
Five Big East today. All games hard to find. Schedule posted in the top pinned thread.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 11:10:06 AM
No one in the stands at BC, so DePaul should feel like it is a home game. Game tied 16;44 left first
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 11:59:02 AM
The Hall  up comfortably at half over Florida A and M.

DePaul up 30-28 at half at Boston College. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 12:46:58 PM
DePaul up 4 over BC with 8:24 left second.

Very Sloppy game. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 12:58:38 PM
3:35 Left DePaul up 60-55 . BC at the line coming out of TV time out.

Lots of players in fouls trouble for DePaul
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 01:04:07 PM
65 -64 DePaul 52 second left. DePaul has the ball.

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 01:11:43 PM
DePaul wins 72-67 over BC. Road win over an ACC team is a good thing for our league.

Charlie Moore had a big game down the stretch. Scored 24

The freshman Weems was impressive.

Blue Demons now 6-0

 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 01:23:00 PM
Seton Hall win helps the league cause.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: WarriorDad on November 23, 2019, 01:30:33 PM
Prematurely thought DePaul would have a breakout last year, but this year seems to be the one for them.  Playing well.  Road wins are tough and they have several already.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 01:38:53 PM
Prematurely thought DePaul would have a breakout last year, but this year seems to be the one for them.  Playing well.  Road wins are tough and they have several already.
They played well down the stretch on the road. Part of the process of learning how to win.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on November 23, 2019, 03:32:34 PM
Providence getting outplayed by Penn...and losing.  Have been down double digits in 1st half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 04:05:46 PM
Providence getting outplayed by Penn...and losing.  Have been down double digits in 1st half
Cooley & Company need to get their act together.

 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2019, 05:17:47 PM
Providence punked by Penn
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 05:24:41 PM
Providence punked by Penn

Penn was the better team today for sure.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2019, 05:25:22 PM
Penn was the better team today for sure.

They have a win over Alabama on their ledger as well.  Definitely can win the Ivy League
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
They have a win over Alabama on their ledger as well.  Definitely can win the Ivy League
Generally speaking Penn has a decent athletic department. 

Nova better watch out in the Big 5 game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
The Johnnies blew a 9 point half time lead and lost to Hurley and Arizona State. Remy Martin was smooth in the second half for the Sun Devils. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2019, 06:00:35 PM
They have a win over Alabama on their ledger as well.  Definitely can win the Ivy League

And Yale beat Penn State today. Ivy teams at the top are no pushovers
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 23, 2019, 10:30:30 PM
X looks like a very, very tough team. Several grown men on that team.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 23, 2019, 10:56:55 PM
X looks like a very, very tough team. Several grown men on that team.

Been their m.o. for quite some time.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 23, 2019, 11:03:25 PM
Been their m.o. for quite some time.

They weren't quite skilled enough or healthy enough grown men last season. They look like they're back to being the real deal.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 23, 2019, 11:12:41 PM
They weren't quite skilled enough or healthy enough grown men last season. They look like they're back to being the real deal.

True. My point was that toughness has been the calling card of a lot of good Xavier teams over the past 20 years or so.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2019, 01:48:28 PM
Creighton down by 5 at half to North Florida
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2019, 02:09:37 PM
Creighton fought their way back. Up 44-41 with 16:00 left second.

Classic Creighton running and threes. Enjoyable to style of play to watch.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2019, 02:21:40 PM
Creighton on one of their three point rampages. Now up by 12  with 18 left.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on November 24, 2019, 02:38:13 PM
They weren't quite skilled enough or healthy enough grown men last season. They look like they're back to being the real deal.

They are an experienced, physical, ready to play at tip off, long team.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2019, 02:58:27 PM
Creighton Won 76-67. They are down a few men right now. When Mintz comes back from injury and Denzel Mahoney is eligible, they should have some more depth.

Mitch Ballock hit the shot for the fans to earn Godfathers Pizza.  8-)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2019, 03:17:58 PM
The Johnnies up 1 over U Mass 3:51 first
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2019, 03:30:59 PM
U Mass up 1 over the The Johnnies at the half.  Game at Mohegan Sun. Very few fans in attendance.

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2019, 04:41:57 PM
Johnnies win by 15.

Solid coaching job by Mike Anderson
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2019, 04:43:24 PM
'Nova/Baylor has been great so far. Currently tied at 38 going to the half, never seen a lead of more than 3 for either team. Tons of lead changes. Fun back-and-forth affair.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 24, 2019, 05:18:39 PM
Just turned the game on and saw a couple of nice dimes by Gillespie. I was never impressed by him but maybe this is the year for him.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 24, 2019, 05:43:53 PM
Wow, is this Baylor/Villanova an excellent game. I would think Xavier/Florida will be the same.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2019, 05:45:04 PM
Wow, is this Baylor/Villanova an excellent game. I would think Xavier/Florida will be the same.

This has the feel of a Sweet 16 game. Really good stuff on both ends.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on November 24, 2019, 05:49:55 PM
True. My point was that toughness has been the calling card of a lot of good Xavier teams over the past 20 years or so.

Xavier does have a good culture.  Just year 2 of Travis Steele and X is rated higher than us in KenPom.  Frustrating.  Butler in Year 3 of Jordan, and they are ranked higher than us too.  Our culture/calling card under Wojo so far has been elite level 3-point shooting.  Not having Rowsey and the Hausers is really going to make life hard on Markus this year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2019, 06:01:59 PM
Looks like 'Nova is going to fall. Interesting stat I heard yesterday...the last 6 NCAA champs and 9 of the last 10 won their exempt tournament.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2019, 09:37:36 PM
Xavier rally in Second Half fell short. Will officially show as a neutral site loss, but it was effectively a home game for Florida. Place was packed with their fans. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: NickelDimer on November 24, 2019, 09:49:52 PM
True. My point was that toughness has been the calling card of a lot of good Xavier teams over the past 20 years or so.
That used to be our identity as well
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 10:32:09 AM
That used to be our identity as well

That was one of our identities....
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 12:34:43 PM
Xavier does have a good culture.  Just year 2 of Travis Steele and X is rated higher than us in KenPom.  Frustrating.  Butler in Year 3 of Jordan, and they are ranked higher than us too.  Our culture/calling card under Wojo so far has been elite level 3-point shooting.  Not having Rowsey and the Hausers is really going to make life hard on Markus this year.


Personally, I think it is about a month too early for Ken Pom to mean a whole lot.  Butler has played the 306th strongest schedule.  MU 110th. 

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 25, 2019, 12:42:40 PM

Personally, I think it is about a month too early for Ken Pom to mean a whole lot.  Butler has played the 306th strongest schedule.  MU 110th.

The rankings reflect who you've played. It's not a dumb system such as RPI
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 25, 2019, 01:11:20 PM
The rankings reflect who you've played. It's not a dumb system such as RPI

That's fine, and it factors in margin of victory, etc...which RPI didn't.  Ken will say his rankings "improve" with more data (i.e. games).  In November, it is too early to say much about the rankings at this point IMO.   A few examples, Purdue is ranked 10th in KenPom at the moment. I don't think they stay in the top 25 by year's end.  Butler is 22nd, I don't think they stay in the top 25 either. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 25, 2019, 01:56:57 PM
That's fine, and it factors in margin of victory, etc...which RPI didn't.  Ken will say his rankings "improve" with more data (i.e. games).  In November, it is too early to say much about the rankings at this point IMO.   A few examples, Purdue is ranked 10th in KenPom at the moment. I don't think they stay in the top 25 by year's end.  Butler is 22nd, I don't think they stay in the top 25 either.

Guessing this is a Hoosier board talking point?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 25, 2019, 02:07:25 PM
That's fine, and it factors in margin of victory, etc...which RPI didn't.  Ken will say his rankings "improve" with more data (i.e. games).  In November, it is too early to say much about the rankings at this point IMO.   A few examples, Purdue is ranked 10th in KenPom at the moment. I don't think they stay in the top 25 by year's end.  Butler is 22nd, I don't think they stay in the top 25 either.

Why year’s end? What about in a month? Lol
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Zephyr820 on November 25, 2019, 09:54:11 PM
That's fine, and it factors in margin of victory, etc...which RPI didn't.  Ken will say his rankings "improve" with more data (i.e. games).  In November, it is too early to say much about the rankings at this point IMO.   A few examples, Purdue is ranked 10th in KenPom at the moment. I don't think they stay in the top 25 by year's end.  Butler is 22nd, I don't think they stay in the top 25 either.

After smoking Missouri in Missouri tonight, Butler is 18th.  There is no one in the Big East playing better
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 25, 2019, 09:55:54 PM
Butler solid win over Missouri . Goes in the book as a neutral game , but since tournament is in Kansas City effectively a home game for Mizzou.

Butler 6-0 . Derrick Smits still out with injury. Bryce Nze and Bryce Golden continuing to show strength inside .

Butler Early performance helpful to the leagues cause
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on November 26, 2019, 05:51:09 AM
Butler v Mizzou was a Neutral site tourney game at Sprint Center in KC, early tip. Part of a double dip. Oklahoma was blown out by 7-0 Stanford in the 2nd game. Stanford scored the first 17 points of the game. Winners and losers play each other tonight. Each year, The Sprint Center in KC will host games/events for KU, Mizzou, K-State, and sometimes other regional teams.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 09:44:52 AM
Big East unbeaten teams in action tonight

Butler vs Stanford in KC

DePaul hosting high scoring Central Michigan

Rooting for a good night for the Big East
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 26, 2019, 10:00:47 AM
Big East unbeaten teams in action tonight

Butler vs Stanford in KC

DePaul hosting high scoring Central Michigan

Rooting for a good night for the Big East

If Depaul makes it through this week undefeated I'm calling it that they end up ranked. That'd be three power conference teams they've beaten even if there's no real "Big" names on there.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 26, 2019, 10:09:05 AM
Anyone know of the resource that lists record by each conference against the other conferences?  I have seen it in previous season but cannot seem to locate this year.

thanks!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 26, 2019, 10:10:00 AM
Anyone know of the resource that lists record by each conference against the other conferences?  I have seen it in previous season but cannot seem to locate this year.

thanks!

Free rpi used to have it but not sure if it's still live
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 26, 2019, 11:02:27 AM
If Depaul makes it through this week undefeated I'm calling it that they end up ranked. That'd be three power conference teams they've beaten even if there's no real "Big" names on there.

DePaul isn't even getting votes in the AP and only got one vote in the Coaches Poll. They aren't going to jump from that to top 25 in one week.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 26, 2019, 11:05:23 AM
DePaul isn't even getting votes in the AP and only got one vote in the Coaches Poll. They aren't going to jump from that to top 25 in one week.

Don't they play Texas tech and buffalo this week? I'd say those wins would make them jump quite a few teams
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on November 26, 2019, 11:07:26 AM
Don't they play Texas tech and buffalo this week? I'd say those wins would make them jump quite a few teams

They play Central Michigan and Minnesota this week.  That wouldn't be enough IMO.  They play Tech and Buff next week.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 26, 2019, 11:18:35 AM
They play Central Michigan and Minnesota this week.  That wouldn't be enough IMO.  They play Tech and Buff next week.

I should really look at a calendar one of these days.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 26, 2019, 12:01:41 PM
I should really look at a calendar one of these days.

if DePaul goes 3-1 over the next four they'll get more votes but they're still DePaul, an insignificant program not on the radar of the national media. It will take more than that to get them ranked.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 12:25:26 PM
DePaul was a legit team last year and the line up this year is even better. 

They have some competitive games coming up. Realistic goal to win 10 games non conference and hopefully build up some fan interest for conference play .


Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 26, 2019, 12:34:06 PM
DePaul was a legit team last year and the line up this year is even better. 

They have some competitive games coming up. Realistic goal to win 10 games non conference and hopefully build up some fan interest for conference play .

If legit means 'not good' then yes. They were a horrendous team on defense and outside of Reed, their offense benefited from three senior - quite an experienced team.

This year they're 'OK'. Well traveled Charlie Moore helps a ton; Paul Reed is legit; Weems has played well. 23-year old JCL - another transfer - helps and could push them up. I like a couple of other pieces (like Butz nh)... after that.. not much to speak of. That might be enough to flirt with a 8 or 9 conf wins.

Gage does not do it for me. Can ancient sophomore Hall step up? Jacobs? meh

An OK team, and they can certainly beat out a weak team like Georgetown.. but, they'll need more guys stepping up if they're going to make a big move up
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 26, 2019, 07:26:50 PM
5-1 Central Michigan up on DePaul 35-20 on FS1.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 26, 2019, 07:27:37 PM
5-1 Central Michigan up on DePaul 35-20 on FS1.

DePaul isn’t going to be ranked anytime soon.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 26, 2019, 07:39:09 PM
5-1 Central Michigan up on DePaul 35-20 on FS1.

Some 5-1 records are different then others......they have played 1 high major......lost to Minnesota by 25

Look good tonight though
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 07:43:15 PM
After smoking Missouri in Missouri tonight, Butler is 18th.  There is no one in the Big East playing better

Is Missouri supposed to be good this year? 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 26, 2019, 07:56:48 PM
Some 5-1 records are different then others......they have played 1 high major......lost to Minnesota by 25

Look good tonight though

Only 2 wins are against D-1 teams, and one against one of the worst in D-1 (352 of 353 in Kenpom) in MVSU. DePaul is a fraud.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: AlienWarrior on November 26, 2019, 07:57:06 PM
C. Michigan looks like a very talented group putting it to DePaul at the half.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 26, 2019, 08:06:55 PM
Crown ‘EM

I watched Central Mich is person last week (thanks, J5, I owe you). They missed a bunch of layups & Minn shot lights out. The game was odd & Central Mich isn’t terrible.

But with DePaul just being OK, this can happen. Plenty of time to turn it around... both teams like to run
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 26, 2019, 08:29:53 PM
Yeah it turned around......Depaul has taken the lead with 11 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on November 26, 2019, 08:39:43 PM
Yeah it turned around......Depaul has taken the lead with 11 minutes to go.

Beating DePaul would definitely be a quality win. They have some real talent this year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 09:00:58 PM
DePaul wins by 13. 56 point second half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: source? on November 26, 2019, 09:15:51 PM
DePaul wins by 18. 56 point second half

I'd double check that math.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 09:18:44 PM
I'd double check that math.
Correction Noted
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 09:20:35 PM
Butler and Stanford tied at half.

Sean McDermott left in a wheelchair . Ankle or Achilles injury. Butler was up nine before the injury.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: dpu70 on November 26, 2019, 09:22:55 PM
correction needed.
DePaul was down by 18 at half.  And, won by 13.  31 point turn around.

It's time to start believing.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 09:26:06 PM
Beating DePaul would definitely be a quality win. They have some real talent this year.

Which is a bit surprising since so many of the college hoops experts here said they would finis( in the basement again.   ?-(
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 26, 2019, 09:28:49 PM
correction needed.
DePaul was down by 18 at half.  And, won by 13.  31 point turn around.

It's time to start believing.

Time to start believing because they beat Central Michigan?  Pass.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 26, 2019, 10:04:00 PM
correction needed.
DePaul was down by 18 at half.  And, won by 13.  31 point turn around.

It's time to start believing.

Hey buddy, around here we judge teams by halves. Get with it!!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 10:13:27 PM
Butler up 6 61-55 4:05 left second half. McDermott returned with ankle taped . Baldwin with some key baskets as they pushed ahead
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 10:19:40 PM
Butler Stanford tied at 62 1:52 left

Stanford has some talented athletes
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on November 26, 2019, 10:20:04 PM
Well I had DePaul -12. Might be the most unlikely bet I've ever won.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2019, 10:26:14 PM
Baldwin putting on a show for Butler with two circus shots over in-his-face defense in the final minutes.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 10:27:32 PM
Wow Butler and Kamar with an exciting win. Baldwin 17 of final 20 including game winning shot.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 26, 2019, 10:27:50 PM
Butler with the 1 point win - great last 5 minutes. Baldwin was awesome down the stretch.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2019, 10:28:24 PM
BEast is gonna be a beyotch this season!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 10:30:48 PM
BEast is gonna be a beyotch this season!

Yes sir...another thing Buzz got wrong.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 26, 2019, 10:31:24 PM
It’s almost as if we should judge games by.., games.., and not the “half” analysis scoopers have dreamt up this year
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 26, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
Great thing have a multi tv set up. Butler and SFA thrillers.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 10:37:30 PM
Great thing have a multi tv set up. Butler and SFA thrillers.

Yup


Unranked teams beat Duke, Kentucky, Michigan State and others...makes you wonder if our fans pay attention to basketball this time of year and what happens as teams gel, and come together.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: #UnleashDiener on November 26, 2019, 10:38:42 PM
Which is a bit surprising since so many of the college hoops experts here said they would finis( in the basement again.   ?-(

Rofl. I bet you 200 dollars here and now DePaul finishes 9th or 10th
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 26, 2019, 10:39:44 PM
Yes sir...another thing Buzz got wrong.

Yep, when he left for the ACC he was really stepping down in class. LOL.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 10:44:31 PM
Rofl. I bet you 200 dollars here and now DePaul finishes 9th or 10th

Let’s do it.  Right now.  I will donate my winnings to charity.  They will finish 8th or better.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: #UnleashDiener on November 26, 2019, 10:45:07 PM
Yes sir...another thing Buzz got wrong.

This time last year I thought you were a decently smart individual. The past few months have proven otherwise, cemented by this statement
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 10:45:45 PM
Yep, when he left for the ACC he was really stepping down in class. LOL.

I’m talking about his comments ripping on the Big East, who has won two national titles since then and will be an excellent conference this year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: #UnleashDiener on November 26, 2019, 10:49:15 PM
Let’s do it.  Right now.  I will donate my winnings to charity.  They will finish 8th or better.

#donedeal

I choose Https://researchautism.org/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: #UnleashDiener on November 26, 2019, 10:50:56 PM
I’m talking about his comments ripping on the big east, Villanova has won two national titles since then and carried this currently pathetic conference to any sort of relevance

Fixed
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 10:54:43 PM
This time last year I thought you were a decently smart individual. The past few months have proven otherwise, cemented by this statement

Awww.  I’m touched.  Why is it that I know you have no idea what I was referencing which was Buzz thrashing the Big East conference on his way out....thus my statement in how wrong he was about the Big East.  Smooch
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 10:55:51 PM
Butler win was a big confidence booster .  They have four more tough games on the non con schedule.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 10:56:55 PM
Fixed

Your statement is true as is mine.  Buzz was wrong...again. 


My charity will be  https://www.childrensdiabetesfoundation.org/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 11:01:05 PM
Next challenge for DePaul is winning a road game at Minnesota.


Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 26, 2019, 11:22:24 PM
Next challenge for DePaul is winning a road game at Minnesota.

Very winnable
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: skianth16 on November 26, 2019, 11:23:33 PM
Well I had DePaul -12. Might be the most unlikely bet I've ever won.

I had this one too. What a crazy second half!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 07:45:17 AM
Seton Hall has a tough test tonight against undefeated 11th ranked Oregon at the Battle 4 for Atlantis.

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: source? on November 27, 2019, 08:40:49 AM
I really wish Seton Hall had challenged themselves this season.




Teal necessary?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 27, 2019, 09:32:38 AM
I really wish Seton Hall had challenged themselves this season.




Teal necessary?

I'll be honest...I hate their schedule. I would never want Marquette to schedule the way SHU did this year. With the top-end games, it feels likely they will come out with 3-4 non-con losses (at least 1 in Atlantis, probably 1-2 of the ISU/Rutgers/Maryland stretch) but their cupcakes all suck and will drag down their NCSOS. Give me lower-end marquee games and higher-end cupcakes every time. Likely end up with a similar SOS, but better odds of win quantity.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: UWW2MU on November 27, 2019, 09:44:04 AM
I'll be honest...I hate their schedule. I would never want Marquette to schedule the way SHU did this year. With the top-end games, it feels likely they will come out with 3-4 non-con losses (at least 1 in Atlantis, probably 1-2 of the ISU/Rutgers/Maryland stretch) but their cupcakes all suck and will drag down their NCSOS. Give me lower-end marquee games and higher-end cupcakes every time. Likely end up with a similar SOS, but better odds of win quantity.

It is definitely a bold/risky move.  As you say, if all balances out it may be better to have more wins w/ a more reasonable schedule.  But imagine if they can pull this off and stack up the wins?  It could be huge for SHU and in turn for the BE as well.   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 27, 2019, 10:07:31 AM
It is definitely a bold/risky move.  As you say, if all balances out it may be better to have more wins w/ a more reasonable schedule.  But imagine if they can pull this off and stack up the wins?  It could be huge for SHU and in turn for the BE as well.

It reminds me a ton of some of the Buzz schedules, especially his last year here. There were big opportunities against Ohio State, UW, and games away from home vs San Diego State, New Mexico, and ASU, but the balance of the schedule was crapcakes that dragged our NCSOS according to kenpom down to 205. So you end up with a bottom half SOS despite a ton of major opportunities.

Compare that to Villanova the same year. They only had 3 top-50 opponents (went 2-1 in those games) but of their seven home games against non-high-major teams, they played 3 top-130 teams and only one sub-250. That got them a top-100 NCSOS despite fewer games against top-tier competition.

Both teams played 7 home games, 3 neutral, and 3 away, but because 'Nova stacked quality cupcakes and minimized losing opportunities, their NCSOS was 118 spots higher. And while it could be argued "But 'Nova went 12-1 while MU went 8-5" that actually also plays into Nova's favor as those wins mean the teams they played generally fared worse than the teams Marquette played, so that only further emphasizes the quality of 'Nova's schedule.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 27, 2019, 10:18:05 AM
I really wish Seton Hall had challenged themselves this season.




Teal necessary?

MSU was Gavitt Games, this week is a tourney they were scheduled for a few years ago. Not really their choices in who they end up playing.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 27, 2019, 10:22:46 AM
It reminds me a ton of some of the Buzz schedules, especially his last year here. There were big opportunities against Ohio State, UW, and games away from home vs San Diego State, New Mexico, and ASU, but the balance of the schedule was crapcakes that dragged our NCSOS according to kenpom down to 205. So you end up with a bottom half SOS despite a ton of major opportunities.

Compare that to Villanova the same year. They only had 3 top-50 opponents (went 2-1 in those games) but of their seven home games against non-high-major teams, they played 3 top-130 teams and only one sub-250. That got them a top-100 NCSOS despite fewer games against top-tier competition.

Both teams played 7 home games, 3 neutral, and 3 away, but because 'Nova stacked quality cupcakes and minimized losing opportunities, their NCSOS was 118 spots higher. And while it could be argued "But 'Nova went 12-1 while MU went 8-5" that actually also plays into Nova's favor as those wins mean the teams they played generally fared worse than the teams Marquette played, so that only further emphasizes the quality of 'Nova's schedule.

Makes sense, brewski.

I nominate you to the MU Scheduling Board!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 27, 2019, 11:46:58 AM
Makes sense, brewski.

I nominate you to the MU Scheduling Board!

I was really not a fan of our scheduling for quite awhile and the first couple years under Wojo were ugly. Scheduling as much as performance cost us a postseason appearance in Henry's year here. This year's schedule is the best we've had under Wojo. There are legitimately challenging games, but all are in the winnable category, while the buy games are good enough to provide some challenge and against teams that will be good in their leagues which provides a nice SOS boost. Really smartly done.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 27, 2019, 02:54:00 PM
I was really not a fan of our scheduling for quite awhile and the first couple years under Wojo were ugly. Scheduling as much as performance cost us a postseason appearance in Henry's year here. This year's schedule is the best we've had under Wojo. There are legitimately challenging games, but all are in the winnable category, while the buy games are good enough to provide some challenge and against teams that will be good in their leagues which provides a nice SOS boost. Really smartly done.

I honestly think all of your writing on the subject over the past few years has influenced the admin to schedule better. If that is indeed the case, thanks
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 27, 2019, 03:07:24 PM
I honestly think all of your writing on the subject over the past few years has influenced the admin to schedule better. If that is indeed the case, thanks

Whatever has led to the improvement I'm grateful for. I think the biggest difference in how I view the schedule is that I look at it from the bottom up. While other people get excited for Kansas or Michigan State early, I don't really differentiate between high majors. Purdue, Davidson, & KSU is as good as MSU, Gonzaga, & UNC (better if you go 3-0).

But if you give me potential Q3 home games like NDSU & Loyola-Maryland instead of Chicago State & Alabama A&M, that's the quality that impacts seeding. Still in awe that we got a Q1A home game as a buy (Buffalo) last year. Those are the little things most fans won't notice but change seed lines in March.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 09:04:02 PM
Seton Hall up 8 with 8:21 left first
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 09:13:00 PM
The Hall and The Ducks tied 3:32 left first half

Powell chucking it
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 09:22:00 PM
The Hall up 4 at the half .

Oregon with some unsportsmanlike conduct.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 09:41:43 PM
The Hall up 13 17:28 left second

Powell got hot
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 27, 2019, 09:44:13 PM
Are they letting travels go at Atlantis? SHU has had three really egregious travels ignored, starting with the Powell 3 before the trip.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 09:48:46 PM
The Hall up 16 15:10 left second

Powell on fire .

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 09:55:09 PM
Hall up 57-41 13:42 left second
Powell 7 3s so far
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 09:58:17 PM
The Hall up 10 12 minutes left second half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 27, 2019, 10:07:19 PM
Oregon not going away, 60-55 SHU leads with 9 to play.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 10:09:26 PM
60-57 The Hall 8:19 left

Pritchard on fire. That kid is talented .
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 10:14:54 PM
The Hall up 8 6:57 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 10:20:53 PM
The Hall up 67-61 4:25 left

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 10:33:50 PM
Tied 1:09 left

Powell back to chucking
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 27, 2019, 10:35:33 PM
Hate to see it.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 10:36:38 PM
The Hall screwed the Big East and lost
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
Live by The Powell die by The Powell
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 27, 2019, 10:38:05 PM
Seton Hall snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Kevin Willard is such a terrible coach. Never adjusted to the press, never found another offensive option beyond "let Powell take crazy shots" and once he lost the "he's on fire" status, it was over.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 27, 2019, 10:38:14 PM
What a collapse by the Hall.

As Herm said they basically just gave the ball to Powell and let him go one on one. He got cold and they lost a 19 point 2nd half lead.

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 27, 2019, 10:38:55 PM
And all of a sudden Powell can’t walk. Another significant ankle injury that keeps him out 0 games?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 27, 2019, 10:40:01 PM
Seton Hall snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Kevin Willard is such a terrible coach. Never adjusted to the press, never found another offensive option beyond "let Powell take crazy shots" and once he lost the "he's on fire" status, it was over.

And yet, nationally, the "experts" rave about him.

Hall fell apart, and in the end Hero Ball couldn't save them
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on November 27, 2019, 10:40:07 PM
Just felt like oregon would win. 50 50 balls going there way. There go ahead score was an air ball by the pg that fell perfectly into the hands of a big for an easy lay up then another hall TO. Pretty pathetic loss tbh. Big east not looking great in these tourneys
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on November 27, 2019, 10:40:51 PM
And all of a sudden Powell can’t walk. Another significant ankle injury that keeps him out 0 games?

Yeah...that was odd to say the least. He was completely fine as the shot was going up and then like 10 seconds later decided he was hurt and couldn’t even walk and the entire team carried him off the floor?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 27, 2019, 10:43:01 PM
Could have been cramping as they suggested on tv.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 27, 2019, 10:46:15 PM
Just felt like oregon would win. 50 50 balls going there way. There go ahead score was an air ball by the pg that fell perfectly into the hands of a big for an easy lay up then another hall TO. Pretty pathetic loss tbh. Big east not looking great in these tourneys

Seton Hall lost a 2 point game to a top 10 team. They looked very good.

Xavier and Nova lost in the finals of their tournaments to very good teams.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 27, 2019, 10:51:28 PM
Seton Hall lost a 2 point game to a top 10 team. They looked very good.

Xavier and Nova lost in the finals of their tournaments to very good teams.
Butler won it's tournament.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 27, 2019, 10:58:38 PM
Seton Hall lost a 2 point game to a top 10 team. They Myles Powell looked very good.

Xavier and Nova lost in the finals of their tournaments to very good teams.

FIFY
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on November 27, 2019, 11:02:43 PM
Seton Hall lost a 2 point game to a top 10 team. They looked very good.

Xavier and Nova lost in the finals of their tournaments to very good teams.
Blowing a 19pt lead in the second half sure has a weird way of looking "very good"
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 27, 2019, 11:10:50 PM
Myles Powell gonna Myles Powell. Shekashvili (who I like) was last seen asking the hotel front desk clerk for a pad of paper.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 27, 2019, 11:11:08 PM
Kevin Willard is terrible. He has no tricks in his bag except "give it to Myles and pray." He's Chris Mullin with Powell replacing Ponds. They never figured out how to adapt to the press when Oregon started throwing it at them in the first half and never had any offensive cohesion beyond Powell throwing up prayers. They also got worked on the glass on both ends despite having two 7'2" monsters in the middle. Letting that lead go was incredibly uninspiring, especially because Oregon didn't really look great even in coming back.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 27, 2019, 11:26:52 PM
Seton Hall has played two top 10 teams (I realize Oregon is ranked 11...my guess is they win one of their next two games and are ranked in the top 10 on Monday). They’ve lost by a combined, I believe, 5 points. I get that we hate SHU and so we dug in on the take that they’re overrated, but them and Nova look head and shoulders better than anyone else in the BE to me. I’d be surprised if we beat them this year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 27, 2019, 11:47:33 PM
     the box score for seton hall-oregon game is stunning

  seton hall- fg 24/59(40.7%), 3 pt 7/15 (51.9%)  FREE THROWS 7/9(77.8%)
      oregon- fg 25/53(47.2%), 3 pt 5/15 (33.3%)                        16/28 (57.1%)


  i guess FREE THROWS NO MATTA eyn'a?? ?-(
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Eldon on November 28, 2019, 02:08:10 AM
Kevin Willard is terrible. He has no tricks in his bag except "give it to Myles and pray." He's Chris Mullin with Powell replacing Ponds. They never figured out how to adapt to the press when Oregon started throwing it at them in the first half and never had any offensive cohesion beyond Powell throwing up prayers. They also got worked on the glass on both ends despite having two 7'2" monsters in the middle. Letting that lead go was incredibly uninspiring, especially because Oregon didn't really look great even in coming back.

Wojo with Powell replacing Markus?

I kid I kid. Relax, projos.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 28, 2019, 07:33:34 AM
Four games today. Schedule posted on the pinned thread at the top. Have a great Thanksgiving and go MU!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 28, 2019, 07:42:51 AM
Seton Hall sucks
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2019, 10:04:42 AM
Seton Hall has played two top 10 teams (I realize Oregon is ranked 11...my guess is they win one of their next two games and are ranked in the top 10 on Monday). They’ve lost by a combined, I believe, 5 points. I get that we hate SHU and so we dug in on the take that they’re overrated, but them and Nova look head and shoulders better than anyone else in the BE to me. I’d be surprised if we beat them this year.

The cool thing is that we get to find out. Twice.

Maybe 3X.

Maybe even 4X if both teams are fortunate and good enough!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: IrwinFletcher on November 28, 2019, 10:22:50 AM
Can you imagine the meltdown on this board if Wojo lost a 19 point 2nd half lead?

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2019, 10:24:06 AM
Can you imagine the meltdown on this board if Wojo lost a 19 point 2nd half lead?

Yes.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 28, 2019, 10:47:58 AM
Kevin Willard is terrible. He has no tricks in his bag except "give it to Myles and pray." He's Chris Mullin with Powell replacing Ponds. They never figured out how to adapt to the press when Oregon started throwing it at them in the first half and never had any offensive cohesion beyond Powell throwing up prayers. They also got worked on the glass on both ends despite having two 7'2" monsters in the middle. Letting that lead go was incredibly uninspiring, especially because Oregon didn't really look great even in coming back.

To me it looked like the Pirates just ran out of gas and had no energy especially those last 4 minutes. Powell was missing shots at the end he otherwise made all game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 28, 2019, 11:00:35 AM
To me it looked like the Pirates just ran out of gas and had no energy especially those last 4 minutes. Powell was missing shots at the end he otherwise made all game.

The Pirates are who we thought they are.  If Powell is hot, they are good. If not, they are middling.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2019, 11:10:41 AM
The Pirates are who we thought they are.

If you wanna crown 'em, crown their arse!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2019, 02:31:42 PM
Cooley& Company up 12. 10 minutes left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on November 28, 2019, 03:09:07 PM
Cooley and company had a 17 point lead.......they lost 66-65
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 28, 2019, 03:10:47 PM
Cooley and company had a 17 point lead.......they lost 66-65

Long Beach isn’t even a state
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2019, 03:11:36 PM
Providence has simply put been an embarrassment so far.

And what sucks is they have enough talent to beat anyone. So at this point losing to them is still very possible, but will look like trash.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: muguru on November 28, 2019, 03:12:46 PM
Cooley and company had a 17 point lead.......they lost 66-65

After fouling a 3 point shooter with 3 seconds to go. I mean, no one really thought Providence was going to be very good this year anyway, did they??
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 28, 2019, 03:13:28 PM
Providence is very disappointing. Blew today's game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2019, 03:14:39 PM
Cooley & Company screwed the Big East again by losing.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 28, 2019, 03:16:47 PM
Long Beach State entered today 285th in KenPom.  PU was a 17-point favorite by KenPom.  That’s a pretty brutal loss
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on November 28, 2019, 03:19:47 PM
After fouling a 3 point shooter with 3 seconds to go. I mean, no one really thought Providence was going to be very good this year anyway, did they??

Lots of people did. Some here think they are definitely better than Marquette.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 28, 2019, 03:21:05 PM
After fouling a 3 point shooter with 3 seconds to go. I mean, no one really thought Providence was going to be very good this year anyway, did they??

I thought they had potential to be one of the better teams in the league. And definitely not one of the bottom dwellers(which right now it appears they will be).
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 28, 2019, 05:58:22 PM
Providence has simply put been an embarrassment so far.

Massive disappointment. Diallo has not been good.

I know Cooley gets a lot of credit as a long tenured coach, but I'm starting to wonder if he's just not good.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2019, 08:44:43 PM
Glad to see MU and Wojo making up for Willard and Cooley Faux Pas
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2019, 10:20:07 PM
Creighton down 15 at half to San Diego State at Las Vegas Invitational
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 28, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Can you imagine the meltdown on this board if Wojo lost a 19 point 2nd half lead?

Its happened
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on November 28, 2019, 11:13:38 PM
Creighton down 15 at half to San Diego State at Las Vegas Invitational

Creighton down 30 with a few mins left. Oof.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2019, 11:23:52 PM
Creighton loses by 31 and screwed the Big East.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on November 28, 2019, 11:47:50 PM
Creighton good effort in second half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 29, 2019, 02:53:19 PM
Minnesota closes the half on a 9-0 run. DePaul leads 35-33 at halftime on FS1.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 29, 2019, 02:54:50 PM
Announcers said 33yrs since DePaul's started this well
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 29, 2019, 03:03:00 PM
Announcers said 33yrs since DePaul's started this well

Iowa, a team DePaul soundly beat, bounced back with an upset win last night vs Texas Tech.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 29, 2019, 03:18:38 PM
Iowa, a team DePaul soundly beat, bounced back with an upset win last night vs Texas Tech.

Saw that. If they win today I might just be a believer
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2019, 03:19:53 PM
Saw that. If they win today I might just be a believer

This gopher team sucks ass.

I'd be more concerned if DePaul doesnt win this one
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 29, 2019, 03:22:02 PM
This gopher team sucks ass.

I'd be more concerned if DePaul doesnt win this one

That'd be three high major road wins. I don't care who they're against that's a huge step for depaul.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2019, 03:23:51 PM
That'd be three high major road wins. I don't care who they're against that's a huge step for depaul.

Well yeah,

But thats different than being a believer in them.

Watching them right now I think they could wind up a tourney team. But they will kinda go as Moore goes it appears.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 29, 2019, 03:31:13 PM
Well yeah,

But thats different than being a believer in them.

Watching them right now I think they could wind up a tourney team. But they will kinda go as Moore goes it appears.

All I know is they are not finishing 9th or 10th, and #unleashcain will be cutting a check for $200 for charity
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 29, 2019, 04:15:10 PM
DePaul hangs on. 73-68.
Wins at two Big Ten schools and one ACC.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 29, 2019, 04:17:17 PM
Great game saving block by Paul Reed

DePaul doing their share to help the Big East

8-0
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Shark on November 29, 2019, 05:08:41 PM
Fire Providence into the sun
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 29, 2019, 05:20:04 PM
I'm in a lost for words watching Providence  on my other TV screen.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 29, 2019, 05:32:17 PM
Didn't norlander have Providence as his pick to win the BEast? lol
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Shark on November 29, 2019, 05:34:16 PM
Cooley and Co. may be filing for bankruptcy
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 29, 2019, 05:43:20 PM
Cooley & Company not only screwed the Big East again they flipped us the bird while doing it . Aargh....
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 29, 2019, 05:43:45 PM
Didn't norlander have Providence as his pick to win the BEast? lol


Norlander and Parrish are absolute hack jokes
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: muguru on November 29, 2019, 05:54:26 PM
Providence just lost to Charleston
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 29, 2019, 07:06:54 PM

Norlander and Parrish are absolute hack jokes

Hack jokes?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 29, 2019, 07:31:45 PM
Seton Hall 53-52 on Iowa State. Game is on ESPNU.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 29, 2019, 07:37:27 PM
Go Cyclones.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 29, 2019, 07:53:40 PM
Hack jokes?

They are hacks, and jokes
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 29, 2019, 08:08:56 PM
Seton Hall beats Iowa State. Both will play again in 9 days in Ames.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 29, 2019, 08:20:37 PM
Seton Hall does The Big East proud and beats MU West
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2019, 11:28:11 PM
Creighton collapse on to OT
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 29, 2019, 11:40:09 PM
Creighton regroups And gets the W
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 29, 2019, 11:42:20 PM
Fun game to watch. Neither team got into the double bonus in overtime.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 30, 2019, 12:09:39 AM
Creighton gets back in the good graces of the league by beating Texas Tech.

Back to their enjoyable style of play.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on November 30, 2019, 07:14:52 AM
They are hacks, and jokes

They are a fun listen, especially when they seriously hesitate in their picks for an MU game because of their fear of the response from the MU fan base. Last night Norlander picked MU over Maryland and part of his thought process was considering what would happen in his timeline if he didn’t. Rabid.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on November 30, 2019, 07:25:01 AM
Pomeroy bunching:

58. DePaul !!!!!
59.  Wisconsin
60. Providence
61.  Creighton
62.  Georgetown

Others top 100 opponents:

9.  Purdue
13.  Nova
15. Seton Hall
17. Maryland
20. Butler
29. Xavier
67.  USC
75. Davidson
77. Kansas St
93.  SJU

BTW, UConn at 53
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on November 30, 2019, 08:37:02 AM
They are a fun listen, especially when they seriously hesitate in their picks for an MU game because of their fear of the response from the MU fan base. Last night Norlander picked MU over Maryland and part of his thought process was considering what would happen in his timeline if he didn’t. Rabid.

I’d say that makes MU Twitter fans more of the “joke hacks.”
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 30, 2019, 12:14:56 PM
The Johnnies and x comfortably winning. Helps the Big East cause.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 30, 2019, 02:50:09 PM
Georgetown in trouble down 4 to INC Greensboro 3:37 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2019, 03:11:28 PM
I believe UNCG was one of the first teams not to make the tournament last year. Big win at Georgetown. Hoyas should play all it's games at MSG. They seem to play flat and sloppy at home.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 30, 2019, 03:13:05 PM
Gtown a weird team.  That's a game they need to win tho.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on November 30, 2019, 03:15:04 PM
Hoyas are just not a good team. They eye test will trick you at times because of the defensive pretty and tempo, but they're a poor defensive team that can't shoot very well. Bad combo.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 30, 2019, 04:25:13 PM
I believe UNCG was one of the first teams not to make the tournament last year. Big win at Georgetown. Hoyas should play all it's games at MSG. They seem to play flat and sloppy at home.

They should've made it, but mid-major bias gave bids to St John's and Arizona State instead. Wes Miller looked like a future star head coach. He should be on any major program's short list.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 30, 2019, 04:32:58 PM
Georgetown's season could get very interesting. Their next two games are on the road at Oklahoma State & SMU, they'll likely be underdogs in both games. Then they host a Syracuse team that could be equally desperate (also 4-3 with two challenging games before Georgetown).

After NYC, it sounded like some national pundits were ready to put Ewing & the Hoyas into the upper echelon of the Big East, but their season could go sideways in a hurry.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 30, 2019, 04:46:54 PM
Someone’s gotta take Depauls place in the bottom. Better for the league for PRovodence and Gtown to be 4-14 as opposed to 8+ League wins at this point. Would be nice for them to stop losing bad non con games, tho.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on November 30, 2019, 05:55:25 PM
Someone’s gotta take Depauls place in the bottom. Better for the league for PRovodence and Gtown to be 4-14 as opposed to 8+ League wins at this point. Would be nice for them to stop losing bad non con games, tho.

I think there will be a logjam of teams around 6-12 or 7-11.  This league is going to be a bear.  The winning team is probably 11-7, maybe 12-6.  A lot of teams will be bunched.  Road wins are like gold in this league this year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 30, 2019, 06:02:29 PM
Ewing and Associates screwed The Big East with their home loss.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on November 30, 2019, 06:10:46 PM
I think there will be a logjam of teams around 6-12 or 7-11.  This league is going to be a bear.  The winning team is probably 11-7, maybe 12-6.  A lot of teams will be bunched.  Road wins are like gold in this league this year.

Agreed which is why the rest of the non conference is huge for MU. Specifically, the next 7 days. Need to get one of the two of Maryland or KSU and beat the rest of the bunnies. Should be in good shape as long as they hold serve at home in conference play.  Lose both and they’ll need to get a few on the road. At least there will be plenty of opportunities for quality wins.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2019, 09:36:48 PM
Agreed which is why the rest of the non conference is huge for MU. Specifically, the next 7 days. Need to get one of the two of Maryland or KSU and beat the rest of the bunnies. Should be in good shape as long as they hold serve at home in conference play.  Lose both and they’ll need to get a few on the road. At least there will be plenty of opportunities for quality wins.

If the league is as good as pundits say it will be -- no worst than second in the country -- there will be plenty of BEast teams in the NCAA tourney. Might not "need" as many total wins as we might think today.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 30, 2019, 09:57:27 PM
Cooley & Company need a win tomorrow .

Can't have the Friars going into conference play with a losing record.

 

 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 01, 2019, 05:09:20 PM
MU screwed The Big East by losing today. Hopefully, Nova and Cooley & Company can make up for our Faux Paus.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 01, 2019, 06:11:47 PM
Cooley & Company up 7 at half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 01, 2019, 09:47:06 PM
Cooley & Company finally got back in the win column.

Nova with a Big 5 victory over LaSalle.

Both wins help the leagues cause.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 02, 2019, 06:44:01 PM
The Johnnies  and Mike Anderson getting positive local media coverage. That is very helpful to the cause of The Big East.
 
https://nypost.com/2019/11/30/supporting-cast-proves-mike-anderson-right-in-st-johns-rout/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 10:24:36 AM
Butler with an opportunity to pick up a nice road win tonight at Mississippi.

Some religious match-ups in the rest of league play.  The Johnnies versus St. Peters and Oral Roberts versus Creighton.



 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Nukem2 on December 03, 2019, 10:33:15 AM
DePaul with an opportunity to pick up a nice road win tonight at Mississippi.

Some religious match-ups in the rest of league play.  The Johnnies versus St. Peters and Oral Roberts versus Creighton.
Butler is playing Ole Miss tonite.  DePaul plays Texas Tech tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 10:35:40 AM
Butler is playing Ole Miss tonite.  DePaul plays Texas Tech tomorrow night.
Correction noted.

Easy to mistake those undefeated teams  8-)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 02:16:14 PM
Sean McDermott will be playing tonight for Butler.

https://fox59.com/2019/12/02/butler-cracks-top-25-for-first-time-under-head-coach-lavall-jordan/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 06:46:28 PM
The Johnnies up 20 16 min left second half

Butler up 9 at half over Ole Miss
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 07:07:57 PM
Butler up 15 over Ole Miss 16:12 left second half. Baldwin having an efficient game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on December 03, 2019, 07:16:45 PM
The Johnnies up 20 16 min left second half

I loved the under!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 07:19:02 PM
Butler up 50-34 13:05 left in second. Baldwin on fire.  Hitting from all over the court
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 07:34:45 PM
Butler up 10 with 7:08 left. Ole Miss keeps trying to rally. Watching the game on SEC network. Their announcers have high regard for Butler and Baldwin.

The Johnnies won by 10 so that helps the leagues cause.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 08:00:18 PM
Butler won 67-58 . 31 for Kamar. They are now 8-0.

Good road win for The Big East.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 03, 2019, 08:05:58 PM
Julian Champagnie scored 14 points and grabbed 11 rebounds for his first career double-double to lead St. John’s to a 79-69 win over St. Peter’s on Tuesday night. Peacocks made it much closer on a 17-2 run late.

LJ Figueroa had 19 points for St. John’s (7-2), which never trailed and dished a season-high 24 assists. Mustapha Heron added 17 points and Josh Roberts had eight rebounds and four blocks.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 08:23:51 PM
Creighton up 11 over Oral Roberts 2:48 left first half.

 

 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
Creighton up 15 at half. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 03, 2019, 09:39:22 PM
Creighton wins by 12.  The Blue Jays are going to be an interesting team when Davion Mintz comes back from injury and Denzel Mahoney is eligible. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2019, 08:18:22 AM
Five Big East games tonight. The networks are posted at the pinned thread. Busy night.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2019, 07:01:17 PM
Villanova up by 2 on Penn. 10 minutes left in FS1.

Xavier leads Green Bay by 5 on FS2.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on December 04, 2019, 07:41:43 PM
Villanova 80 - Penn 69 Final
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2019, 07:52:54 PM
Big 5 games always hard fought battles. Helpful to the Big East cause that Nova won.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2019, 09:05:16 PM
Georgetown won at Oklahoma State. 81-74. Impressive.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2019, 09:07:37 PM
Georgetown won at Oklahoma State. 81-74. Impressive.
Yes very impressive. A possible case of addition by subtraction....
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on December 04, 2019, 09:22:59 PM
DePaul ties with TTU 38-38 with just under 8 left in the 2nd half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 04, 2019, 09:36:50 PM
Completely forgot Terrence Shannon ended up going to Texas Tech after a year of prep school. He was literally in DePaul's backyard, went to Lincoln Park high school and originally committed to DePaul.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Bad_Reporter on December 04, 2019, 09:48:27 PM
DePaul ties it.  Down by 3, and drains the three pointer with 7 seconds remaining.  Overtime.


Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on December 04, 2019, 09:50:31 PM
After I guy who hadn’t missed a ft since March missed a ft that would have iced the game
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on December 04, 2019, 09:56:37 PM
I could be mistaken but it almost seems like DePaul has fans at their home game
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 04, 2019, 10:00:36 PM
This game is awesome
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2019, 10:01:24 PM
DePaul with some smokin hot cheerleaders

Charlie Moore on fire too
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Eldon on December 04, 2019, 10:01:34 PM
+1

Very very entertaining.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on December 04, 2019, 10:07:31 PM
I was totally okay with DePaul being horrible for multiple decades and would have been fine with that continuing
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2019, 10:12:33 PM
DePaul fans storm the floor.

MU DePaul game going to be a ton of fun  this year
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 04, 2019, 10:14:12 PM
Storm the court against an unranked team.

Oh DePaul...
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on December 04, 2019, 10:14:28 PM
Act like you've been there before DeP...

Never mind.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 04, 2019, 10:15:48 PM
Storm the court against an unranked team.

Oh DePaul...

And when they were undefeated. That's now how this is supposed to work...

I'm ready for DePaul to suck again.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2019, 10:17:22 PM
200th career win for Leitao

Next up Buffalo
Title: Depaul Beats Texas Tech in OT, Fans Storm the Court
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 04, 2019, 10:18:57 PM
Yes, Depaul actually has fans! And they were so excited they beat Texas Tech in OT, they stormed the court. (admittedly it was exciting as Deapul hit a three to tie with seconds left and surged late in OT to take the lead.)

Depaul is now 9-0, first 9 game winning streak since 1993-94.

The blue demons are at Buffalo Sunday.  If they win this, they should be ranked next week.

------------

Good for Depaul, they have suffered enough.  And they are MU's natural conference rival.  I would argue a better Depaul team is actually good for us.
Title: Re: Depaul Beats Texas Tech in OT, Fans Storm the Court
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2019, 10:20:46 PM
Funny when this match up was announced. Texas Tech said, mismatch.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 04, 2019, 10:24:23 PM
I mostly watched our guys, but I did keep flipping to this game, and it was very entertaining.

I'd love for Marquette-DePaul to be a rivalry again. They will give us 2 tough games this season.

My immediate reaction when they semi-sorta, slo-mo stormed the court was, "Really, you beat an unranked team and you're storming?" But why the hell not? It's been so long since they've been relevant. Good for them.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: muguru on December 04, 2019, 10:27:46 PM
And when they were undefeated. That's now how this is supposed to work...

I'm ready for DePaul to suck again.


It's coming...it starts Dec 30th aka Big east play where teams are familiar with them. Could easily see them close to .500 overall by season's end.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on December 04, 2019, 10:28:22 PM
Worth noting that Tech was playing without its leading scorer tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 04, 2019, 10:28:28 PM
I mostly watched our guys, but I did keep flipping to this game, and it was very entertaining.

I'd love for Marquette-DePaul to be a rivalry again. They will give us 2 tough games this season.

My immediate reaction when they semi-sorta, slo-mo stormed the court was, "Really, you beat an unranked team and you're storming?" But why the hell not? It's been so long since they've been relevant. Good for them.

+1

Depaul home games are usually empty and essentially away games for them. No one cared for DECADES.  So given the agony of their fans, yes the excitement and court rushing are warranted.

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 04, 2019, 10:30:00 PM
+1

Depaul home games are usually empty and essentially away games from them. No one cared for DECADES.  So given the agony of their fans, yes the excitement and court rushing are warranted.

Five years to judge, hey? +3
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2019, 10:33:56 PM
Excellent night for The Big East

We want everyone to do well in Non Conference

Right now DePaul is our friend

Come December 30 it’s another matter
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on December 04, 2019, 10:34:47 PM
I was a Sixer fan during the Dr J through Barkley years.  Then I stopped paying attention to them.  I don't think I'm allowed to suddenly call myself a Sixer fan were they to start the season 9-0.

So I ask, how many DePaul "fans" have really suffered vs just quit being fans?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2019, 10:40:22 PM
I was a Sixer fan during the Dr J through Barkley years.  Then I stopped paying attention to them.  I don't think I'm allowed to suddenly call myself a Sixer fan were they to start the season 9-0.

So I ask, how many DePaul "fans" have really suffered vs just quit being fans?
It looked the majority of the fans there tonight were kids from the school which is understandable if not applaudable.

It will take a while before the casual fan starts backing them again. They have to keep winning and then get local media behind them.

All I care about is that they go 13-0 non con
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 04, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
I was a Sixer fan during the Dr J through Barkley years.  Then I stopped paying attention to them.  I don't think I'm allowed to suddenly call myself a Sixer fan were they to start the season 9-0.

So I ask, how many DePaul "fans" have really suffered vs just quit being fans?

I still have a DePaul basketball shirt hanging in my closet. Does that count?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2019, 10:47:38 PM
I still have a DePaul basketball shirt hanging in my closet. Does that count?
Some guys my age still have that old Farrah Fawcett poster too
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 04, 2019, 11:06:36 PM
Some guys my age still have that old Farrah Fawcett poster too

Had this in 705 in 1977.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e0/22/ea/e022ea4ba1d8af790670a4dfccab2605.jpg)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 05, 2019, 09:21:49 AM
Worth noting that Tech was playing without its leading scorer tonight.

Seems like most everyone won't acknowledge this. Also, 20+ turnovers on the road isn't exactly helpful.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 05, 2019, 10:15:46 AM
Ewing and Associates get another good opportunity this weekend when they go on the road to face an undefeated SMU squad.

Would be helpful to the leagues cause if they could rack up a road win.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 05, 2019, 02:13:21 PM

X Coach was not satisfied with the win.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2019/12/04/naji-marshall-powers-xavier-win-over-green-bay/2611703001/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 05, 2019, 10:53:05 PM
Huggie Bear heading to the Garden on Saturday

https://www.thedaonline.com/sports/mens_basketball/men-s-hoops-to-clash-with-old-big-east-foe/article_75a1a3c2-16e9-11ea-a639-07fa148949e1.html
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: IrwinFletcher on December 06, 2019, 09:33:33 AM
Worth noting that Tech was playing without its leading scorer tonight.

And DePaul was without Devon Gage.

Tech isn’t as good as last year and it may be hard to believe, but DePaul is pretty good.  On top of that, they always give us a battle.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on December 06, 2019, 09:59:57 AM
And DePaul was without Devon Gage.

Tech isn’t as good as last year and it may be hard to believe, but DePaul is pretty good.  On top of that, they always give us a battle.

We've beat them by double digits 5 times in the past 3 years. Only one of those was ever really in doubt.

I do agree they are legitimately pretty good this year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 06, 2019, 10:03:56 AM
We've beat them by double digits 5 times in the past 3 years. Only one of those was ever really in doubt.

I do agree they are legitimately pretty good this year.

Yeah but lost the one time something was actually on the line (ncaa berth)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on December 06, 2019, 10:07:33 AM
And DePaul was without Devon Gage.

Tech isn’t as good as last year and it may be hard to believe, but DePaul is pretty good.  On top of that, they always give us a battle.

Devon Gage is DePaul's seventh man, averaging 17.8 mpg and 6.5 ppg. He's a point guard who has more turnovers this season than assists.
Jahmi'us Ramsey is scoring 17.3 ppg, while adding 6 rebounds per game and 1.5 steals per game.

Gage is an OK player and all, but these absences are not comparable. Tech is 0-3 since Ramsey went down. DePaul hasn't missed a beat without Gage.
It's not unreasonable to believe Ramsey's 17 and 6 might have made a difference in a game that went to overtime.
 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2019, 06:17:50 PM
Cooley &Company up 3 over Rhode Island 12:58 left first
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2019, 07:06:35 PM
Cooley & Company down 9 at half at Rhode Island.

Would be helpful to the leagues cause if Friars could pick up a road win.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 06, 2019, 07:34:30 PM
 

 did i read this right?  south dakota is playing a team called "mount marty"?  is that the brother school to mount mary's? otherwise known as the merry mounties?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on December 06, 2019, 07:51:22 PM
Cooley & Company down 9 at half at Rhode Island.

Would be helpful to the leagues cause if Friars could pick up a road win.
Down 12 with 4 to go.  Is FriarScoop calling for your guy's head, Gus?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on December 06, 2019, 09:11:08 PM
Down 12 with 4 to go.  Is FriarScoop calling for your guy's head, Gus?

They've cooled on Cooley.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on December 06, 2019, 09:38:02 PM
Cooley on the way out? Bad team this year and with 5 open scholarships next year they only have one player signed who is #222 in the nation?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2019, 09:39:53 PM
Fatts Russell feasted on The Friars .Cooley & Company screwed The Big East again.

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on December 07, 2019, 08:33:30 AM
Cooley on the way out? Bad team this year and with 5 open scholarships next year they only have one player signed who is #222 in the nation?

No one's on the way out in the Big East. Cooley is the best coach at PC since Pitino and the Prov folks know first hand that's a tough job to sell to coaches.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 07, 2019, 08:38:53 AM
He’s had a couple down years but is a real good coach.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 09:24:02 AM
Lots of opportunities for quality wins today in the Big East.

A good performance across the board could help the league cause



Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2019, 09:48:13 AM
It certainly looks like Providence has replaced DePaul as most likely to finish in 10th place.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 09:53:03 AM
It certainly looks like Providence has replaced DePaul as most likely to finish in 10th place.
Hometown Media now ripping on Cooley & Company. Complaining about lack of point guard for two years in a row.
 
https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20191207/kevin-mcnamara-state-belongs-to-rams
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 10:25:06 AM
Seven Big East games today. Schedule on the top pinned thread. Coverage starts on Fox at 10:30am.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Eldon on December 07, 2019, 10:44:10 AM
No one's on the way out in the Big East. Cooley is the best coach at PC since Pitino and the Prov folks know first hand that's a tough job to sell to coaches.

Uhhh....why?  Too much competition for recruits?

Overall, PC seems like a good job to me.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 07, 2019, 11:17:50 AM
No one's on the way out in the Big East. Cooley is the best coach at PC since Pitino and the Prov folks know first hand that's a tough job to sell to coaches.

UCONN joining is hurting his recruiting I hear.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 11:57:10 AM
I always like watching St. John's at MSG.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: war1980rior on December 07, 2019, 12:06:26 PM
Butler looks really good vs. Florida.  They look very ready for the BE to start up!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 12:23:54 PM
Butler up 8 15:51 second

Johnnies up 1 over Huggie Bear 15:24 second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Nukem2 on December 07, 2019, 01:15:40 PM
SJU holds on to beat WVU 70-68.  Red Storm is not a bad team.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on December 07, 2019, 01:16:42 PM
Butler dominant, beats UF by 14.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 01:17:24 PM
What an thriller at MSG. WVU on a 9-0 run ties it. Two free throws wins it for St. John's. St. John's was 1/14 from the field to finish the game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2019, 01:17:42 PM
Uhhh....why?  Too much competition for recruits?

Overall, PC seems like a good job to me.

Historically, it’s been an inconsistent program with a lot of competition for local talent.  Cooley has done a very good job there.  It’s arguably the hardest job to win consistently at in the league
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 01:27:55 PM
Great start to The Day for The Big East

Any win over Huggie Bear is a good thing and when it’s a Johnnie win that’s a plus for the conference

Butler continues to perform well . Very helpful to the cause

We need Creighton to step up next versus The Huskers
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 01:53:09 PM
Haanif Cheatham and Nebraska off to a terrible start at Creighton.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 07, 2019, 01:56:33 PM
 Nebraska is not good.......... :o
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 07, 2019, 01:57:01 PM
Haanif Cheatham and Nebraska off to a terrible start at Creighton.
First time watching Nebraska play. I’d call them a D2 team but don’t want to insult D2 teams.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on December 07, 2019, 01:58:46 PM
27-4 start. 31-7 at the 8 minute.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 02:05:36 PM
37-7 Creighton 5 :30 left first
 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 02:09:09 PM
Villanova/St. Joe's will be starting on ESPNEWS. Not sure why ESPN2 only has a 3 hour time window for the MAC Title Game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 02:34:36 PM
48-22 Creighton at half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 02:38:42 PM
60-28 Creighton 17:37 second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 02:45:51 PM
65-38 Creighton 15 minutes left second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 02:54:06 PM
74-49 Creighton 11:18 left

When The Jays gets in their running game it is a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 02:54:44 PM
Sean McDermott and Aaron Thompson each scored 16 points to lead Butler to a 76-62 win over Florida.

Thompson made 6 of 7 shots and delivered seven assists. McDermott contributed a team-high seven rebounds.

Jordan Tucker added 13 points off the bench for the Bulldogs (9-0). Kamar Baldwin, who was averaging a team-high 17.5 points for Butler, scored 12 points.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 02:55:44 PM
Villanova up on St. Joe's 41-25. Game now moved to ESPN2.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 03:02:14 PM
74-54 Creighton 9:01 left Second

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 03:07:47 PM
Creighton  fans  get the pizza

Jays Up 77-54 7:56 left second.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 03:20:43 PM
Creighton 91 nebraska 63 3:55 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 03:21:32 PM
St. Joe's shooting well to start the 2nd half half. Only down by 6.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 03:28:11 PM
St. Joe's shooting well to start the 2nd half half. Only down by 6.
Big 5 games always hard fought
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 07, 2019, 03:50:22 PM
Road games are tough.....Nova in a dog fight after having a big lead against 2-7 St Joe's team.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 03:57:02 PM
Nova up 7 1:43 left game
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 04:03:15 PM
78-66 Nova good game
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 04:15:31 PM
Marcus Zegarowski scored 30 points to lead four Creighton players in double figures, and the Bluejays made fast work of Nebraska in a 95-76 win at the sold-out CHI Health Center on Saturday.

Zegarowski made four 3-pointers, finished 13 of 19 from the field, grabbed a career-high nine rebounds and matched his season high with six assists for the Bluejays (7-2).

Ty-Shon Alexander had a season-high 22 points with four 3s, Mitch Ballock scored 13 and Christian Bishop had 10 points and nine rebounds.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on December 07, 2019, 04:30:05 PM
Nebraska is not good.......... :o

I bet on them to cover 11 against GT in the B10/ACC.  Challenge. Quickly corrected that today. They are a disaster.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 07, 2019, 04:35:13 PM
Marcus Zegarowski scored 30 points to lead four Creighton players in double figures, and the Bluejays made fast work of Nebraska in a 95-76 win at the sold-out CHI Health Center on Saturday.

Zegarowski made four 3-pointers, finished 13 of 19 from the field, grabbed a career-high nine rebounds and matched his season high with six assists for the Bluejays (7-2).

Ty-Shon Alexander had a season-high 22 points with four 3s, Mitch Ballock scored 13 and Christian Bishop had 10 points and nine rebounds.

Saw Cheatham scored 14 for the losing cause.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 04:38:16 PM
X up 26-22 over Cinch 3:33 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 04:49:16 PM
Classic cross town battle . X up 3 at half. Naji Marshall on fire with 17
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 07, 2019, 04:53:47 PM
X up 26-22 over Cinch 3:33 left

My daughter was accepted to Xavier yesterday, so we are watching the game...she’s not a hoops fan but her interest suddenly perked based on her news.  Go X.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 05:11:46 PM
X up 40-31 17:10 second half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 05:22:26 PM
X up 49-35 great team work 12:35 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 07, 2019, 05:27:23 PM
Saw Cheatham scored 14 for the losing cause.


Haanif seems to be the best player on a very bad team.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 07, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
My daughter was accepted to Xavier yesterday, so we are watching the game...she’s not a hoops fan but her interest suddenly perked based on her news.  Go X.
Congrats Jams!
My wife and younger daughter are watching too.  We're looking for our daughter in the band but I haven't seen any band shots.

Xavier looks good.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 05:50:52 PM
X up 63-52 3:17 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 07, 2019, 05:53:53 PM
Congrats Jams!
My wife and younger daughter are watching too.  We're looking for our daughter in the band but I haven't seen any band shots.

Xavier looks good.

XU looks pretty good for sure.  Students are in it.  What instrument does your daughter play?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2019, 06:01:15 PM
X beating Cincinnati never gets old
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 07, 2019, 06:01:56 PM
My daughter was accepted to Xavier yesterday, so we are watching the game...she’s not a hoops fan but her interest suddenly perked based on her news.  Go X.


Congratulations to your daughter!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 07, 2019, 06:02:35 PM
XU looks pretty good for sure.  Students are in it.  What instrument does your daughter play?

Flute

Her roommate plays drums.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 06:03:38 PM
X beats Cincinnati 73-66 . Naji Marshall with 31

Good hard fought battle
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 06:14:28 PM
Big East 5-0 so far today adding to everyone’s team resume . MU and Georgetown need to do their share tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
Big East 4-0 so far today adding to everyone’s team resume . MU and Georgetown need to do their share tonight.
5-0
St. John's
Butler
Villanova
Creighton
Xavier
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 06:59:34 PM
5-0
St. John's
Butler
Villanova
Creighton
Xavier
Correction Noted
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 07:55:39 PM
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/smu-mustangs/2019/12/06/georgetown-provides-tough-test-for-smu-in-schedule-lacking-in-difficult-opponents/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on December 07, 2019, 07:57:00 PM
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/smu-mustangs/2019/12/06/georgetown-provides-tough-test-for-smu-in-schedule-lacking-in-difficult-opponents/
Before opening, is it outstanding?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 07, 2019, 08:16:18 PM
Speaking of Big East...I meant to post earlier this week.  Saw a short read that a few different universities inquiried/contacted both UConn and UMass about having an independent football and other sports in a conference.  UConn and UMass both stated they would not reveal the school names.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 07, 2019, 09:02:13 PM
Georgetown started out 23-3, now up 31-11 at SMU. Who needs Akinjo & Leblanc?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 09:27:21 PM
Georgetown up 49-29 half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2019, 09:52:29 PM
Georgetown up 49-29 half

Good job, Ewing & Company
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 09:55:58 PM
Ewing and Associates up 55-38 15:52 second

MCClung has all of sudden improved his 3 point shot
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 10:28:03 PM
Ewing and Associates nice road win tonight over undefeated SMU.

Big East 7-0 today great for our collective cause
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 07, 2019, 10:30:41 PM
Marquette non-con opponents went 8-2 on the day. Add in that 1 loss was KSU & USC won last night and that's a damn good weekend.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on December 07, 2019, 10:32:36 PM
Ewing and Associates nice road win tonight over undefeated SMU.

Big East 7-0 today great for our collective cause
Did you go to Georgetown? Nearly every time they are mentioned it’s by you
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2019, 10:33:51 PM
Outstanding day for the Big East Conference. Not one game today was a buy game to hit that 7-0 number.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on December 07, 2019, 10:38:48 PM
Did you go to Georgetown? Nearly every time they are mentioned it’s by you

Are you new here? He posts about the outstanding win or the loss that screwed over the BE for every game BE teams play.

That and how he was on recruiting visits with players.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: WarriorDad on December 07, 2019, 10:42:12 PM
The announcers tonight said Big East best conference top to bottom.  They might be right.  The Big Ten has some better teams maybe, but also some teams at the bottom that are quite bad.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on December 07, 2019, 10:43:42 PM
The announcers tonight said Big East best conference top to bottom.  They might be right.  The Big Ten has some better teams maybe, but also some teams at the bottom that are quite bad.
The same announcers or possibly the halftime guys said the Big Ten was the best conference.  Pick who you want to believe
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2019, 11:04:47 PM
The Big East has performed well this non conference season. Not sure if it is the best conference out there but it is definitely very deep. The good news is literally every Big East  conference win will become a quality win of some sort .

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 07, 2019, 11:05:59 PM
The Big East has performed well this non conference season. Not sure if it is the best conference out there but it is definitely Very deep. The good news is literally every conference win becomes a quality win of some sort .

Cain, you know where I can find BE record vs other conferences?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 07, 2019, 11:47:32 PM
In a weird twist, Hall plays ISU tomorrow in the second game of a back to back.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2019, 12:00:43 AM
Cain, you know where I can find BE record vs other conferences?

Splitting with ACC, B1G, and Pac 12. Dominating A-10, AAC, B12, and SEC.

A-10: 5-1
AAC: 3-0
ACC: 1-1
AE: 2-1
A-Sun: 6-0
B12: 7-1
B1G: 5-6
Big West: 1-1
CAA: 1-1
CUSA: 3-0
Horizon: 2-0
Ivy: 3-1
MAAC: 3-0
MAC: 2-0
MEAC: 1-0
MVC: 1-0
MWC: 0-1
NEC: 8-0
OVC: 1-0
Patriot: 2-0
PAC 12: 2-2
SEC: 5-1
Southern: 2-1
Southland: 2-0
Summit: 1-0
Sun Belt: 1-0
SWAC: 1-0
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 08, 2019, 07:29:19 AM
That was Sean Farmham that said that. He also said that during Feast Week in the studio.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 09:43:27 AM
Important test this evening for DePaul . Buffalo not as strong as last year, but still has some talent on the roster. Blue Demons also need to keep building fan interest.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on December 08, 2019, 09:57:02 AM
Important test this evening for DePaul . Buffalo not as strong as last year, but still has some talent on the roster. Blue Demons also need to keep building fan interest.
If Depaul is in the mix for Mane, I would like to see them implode.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 11:20:30 AM
If Depaul is in the mix for Mane, I would like to see them implode.
Happy to see them implode when they play us lol, and after they go 13-0 in non conference. We want DePaul doing well for benefit of our overall conference NCAA berths .  Cooley & Company have  graciously offered to  provided a service to the league by being the doormat this year.

Also DePaul will still have Moore, Coleman- Lands (most likely has another year of eligibility left) , Gage and Jacobs ( still not fully recovered  from partial ACL tear surgery last January) coming back as guards next year.  So not a perfect scenario for Mane as these returners have significant experience and require the ball; MU ideal for Mane.



 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 08, 2019, 12:34:05 PM
Splitting with ACC, B1G, and Pac 12. Dominating A-10, AAC, B12, and SEC.

A-10: 5-1
AAC: 3-0
ACC: 1-1
AE: 2-1
A-Sun: 6-0
B12: 7-1
B1G: 5-6
Big West: 1-1
CAA: 1-1
CUSA: 3-0
Horizon: 2-0
Ivy: 3-1
MAAC: 3-0
MAC: 2-0
MEAC: 1-0
MVC: 1-0
MWC: 0-1
NEC: 8-0
OVC: 1-0
Patriot: 2-0
PAC 12: 2-2
SEC: 5-1
Southern: 2-1
Southland: 2-0
Summit: 1-0
Sun Belt: 1-0
SWAC: 1-0

Thanks TAMU.  What resource did use to compile this? 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2019, 01:06:52 PM
Thanks TAMU.  What resource did use to compile this?

Myself,  lol. Looked at the schedules and wrote them down.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 08, 2019, 01:11:02 PM
Myself,  lol. Looked at the schedules and wrote them down.

Wow, thanks for doing that.  Crazy that isn't provided by any resource any longer.  Its always fun information to look at.  The Big East speaks for itself and anyone who says otherwise is just not informed, but its always nice to be up to date with the latest information for discussion.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 08, 2019, 02:21:54 PM
Travis Steele, his wife and kid go into a bar.....wait for the end


https://twitter.com/barstoolreags/status/1203682360690192385
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 03:31:34 PM
X owns the city now
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2019, 04:04:46 PM
Travis Steele, his wife and kid go into a bar.....wait for the end


https://twitter.com/barstoolreags/status/1203682360690192385

My favorite part is the f-bomb being drop a couple of time and Mrs. Steele telling her kid to put his earmuffs on
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 04:49:48 PM
Buffalo up 7 at half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 05:09:33 PM
DePaul coming back to earth and looking like the team we all know and love. Down 16 17:44 left second half.

Brick after Brick

Turnover after Turnover
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 08, 2019, 05:10:28 PM
Buffalo with the first 10 points out of the half. Down by 17 points.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on December 08, 2019, 05:22:46 PM
Myself,  lol. Looked at the schedules and wrote them down.
Um what in the heck? How long did that take?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2019, 05:56:17 PM
Um what in the heck? How long did that take?

Literally less than 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on December 08, 2019, 06:09:40 PM
Depauls perfect season comes to an end with a loss to Buffalo.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: muguru on December 08, 2019, 06:10:18 PM
Buffalo wins by 5 @ DePaul...will people finally shut up about DePaul?? Back to reality for the Demons. Still bet they don't make the NCAA's...I mean how many BE wins are they going to have?? They likely won't beat Butler either time, or SH or Xavier, or Nova...so..
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 08, 2019, 06:13:06 PM
Buffalo wins by 5 @ DePaul...will people finally shut up about DePaul?? Back to reality for the Demons. Still bet they don't make the NCAA's...I mean how many BE wins are they going to have?? They likely won't beat Butler either time, or SH or Xavier, or Nova...so..

This is now the second post that has implied that Butler is the BE juggernaut.

No.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: muguru on December 08, 2019, 06:24:47 PM
This is now the second post that has implied that Butler is the BE juggernaut.

No.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but they will still beat DePaul twice.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: source? on December 08, 2019, 06:26:25 PM
DePaul missed 11 free throws and was out rebounded by 12. Lost by 5.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: source? on December 08, 2019, 06:29:09 PM
Myself,  lol. Looked at the schedules and wrote them down.

Dude

http://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 08, 2019, 06:43:13 PM
Buffalo wins by 5 @ DePaul...will people finally shut up about DePaul?? Back to reality for the Demons. Still bet they don't make the NCAA's...I mean how many BE wins are they going to have?? They likely won't beat Butler either time, or SH or Xavier, or Nova...so..

I mean, I think they can't make the ncaas due to postseason ban from violations.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 06:45:51 PM
DePaul screwed The Big East tonight
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 08, 2019, 07:03:44 PM
DePaul screwed The Big East tonight

Yup screwed the entire league. We are all done. Finished.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: muguru on December 08, 2019, 07:30:36 PM
I mean, I think they can't make the ncaas due to postseason ban from violations.

I don't think they have a post season ban...not that I remember anyway. They got probation plus some fines
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 08, 2019, 07:37:25 PM
I don't think they have a post season ban...not that I remember anyway. They got probation plus some fines

Ah. I remember it being on the table, so I may have made the jump that it happened.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 08, 2019, 08:16:23 PM
Buffalo wins by 5 @ DePaul...will people finally shut up about DePaul?? Back to reality for the Demons.

Guessing your not a fan.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 08:28:00 PM
Low scoring game at Ames The Hall up 11 10:28 left first

Mama is hurt
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 08:51:30 PM
Iowa State up 2 over The Hall. Halftime

Mamu is out

Loud crowd out at Ames

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: muguru on December 08, 2019, 09:00:38 PM
Ah. I remember it being on the table, so I may have made the jump that it happened.

I mean they probably thought, "what good would it do to give DePaul a post season ban anyway, they never play in it".  ;D
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2019, 09:25:50 PM
Dude

http://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html

Nice. Figured some site must track it. Didn't use the right google search terms.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 09:34:18 PM
Powell is a relentless chucker
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 09:41:54 PM
MU West 51 The Hall 50 6:54 left game

Going to come down to how many shots Powell can make
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 09:52:12 PM
MU West 57 The Hall 53 3:44 left

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 08, 2019, 09:57:04 PM
It's hard as hell to win at Hilton.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 09:58:08 PM
Halliburton owning The Hall

MU West 62 The Hall 53 2:33 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2019, 10:13:12 PM
Willard screwed The Big East

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ProjoSlim on December 08, 2019, 10:20:04 PM
Willard screwed The Big East


Theo had 2 fouls.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on December 09, 2019, 04:25:06 AM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28257094/seton-hall-sandro-mamukelashvili-breaks-wrist-loss-iowa-state

Didn't see this anywhere - looks like a big loss for the Hall.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 09, 2019, 06:18:23 AM
It was a hard fall watching the game. Could have been worse.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2019, 08:49:24 AM
It was a hard fall watching the game. Could have been worse.
Mamu may possibly be eligible for injury red shirt if he is out the whole season. It depends on whether or not the exhibition games count for the purposes of calculating his percentage of play.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 09, 2019, 09:27:08 AM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28257094/seton-hall-sandro-mamukelashvili-breaks-wrist-loss-iowa-state

Didn't see this anywhere - looks like a big loss for the Hall.

Willard lied that Powell was out for an extended period of time when he twisted his ankle in their second game of the season. Scoop cried. Powell played four days later.

There isn't an honest broker in the Hall program. Let's wait the full "six-eight weeks" that Willard thinks he's sidelined before we assume any absence for the Tiblisi toddler.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 09, 2019, 09:48:10 AM
Mamu may possibly be eligible for injury red shirt if he is out the whole season. It depends on whether or not the exhibition games count for the purposes of calculating his percentage of play.

Exhibitions don't count. He played in 9/30 games, exactly 30%. He should be eligible if he doesn't return. JB can correct if that's not right.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2019, 10:22:21 AM
So on Nov. 29, Seton Hall beat ISU 84-76 at Atlantis. On Dec. 8, ISU beats SH 76-66 in Ames. ISU scores the same amount of points, both teams were less efficient, but Mamu was the MVP in the SH win. Big loss
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Goose on December 09, 2019, 11:31:08 AM
Golden

Thanks for the SH update, always great to see posts from insider of the program.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on December 09, 2019, 12:32:00 PM
Exhibitions don't count. He played in 9/30 games, exactly 30%. He should be eligible if he doesn't return. JB can correct if that's not right.

Yes, the 30% requirement is met - no problem there. Just a nuance, but he'd be a good candidate if he doesn't return because he remains medically incapacitated through the rest of the season... by rule, if he was healthy in 8 weeks and could play, but decided not to, he would not (by rule) eligible for a medical hardship waiver.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 09, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
Yes, the 30% requirement is met - no problem there. Just a nuance, but he'd be a good candidate if he doesn't return because he remains medically incapacitated through the rest of the season... by rule, if he was healthy in 8 weeks and could play, but decided not to, he would not (by rule) eligible for a medical hardship waiver.

Does the 30% thing only apply for the beginning of the season? Like could Hunior Cadougan have applied because he missed everything prior to the Cuse game?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 09, 2019, 12:46:53 PM
Does the 30% thing only apply for the beginning of the season? Like could Hunior Cadougan have applied because he missed everything prior to the Cuse game?

No.  The injury also has to occur before the midpoint of the season AND, as JB says, keeps them incapacitated for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on December 09, 2019, 12:49:12 PM
Does the 30% thing only apply for the beginning of the season? Like could Hunior Cadougan have applied because he missed everything prior to the Cuse game?

First, to give a bit more guidance on the 30%. The calc takes your regular season schedule, plus one (and only one) for the conference tourney. So, for Seton Hall, there are 31 contests for purpose of the calc. 31 x 30% = 9.3. Because of the rounding up allowed by the Bylaws, this means he could play in up to 10 games and still meet the 30%

Another requirement is that the incapacitating injury occurs during the first half of the season. So, he could have sat the first 5 games, played ten and got hurt in game 15 and still be good to be a plain vanilla candidate for the medical hardship waiver
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CTWarrior on December 09, 2019, 01:02:11 PM
Don't understand the math here.  If he plays in 10/31, that is 32.26%, which rounds to 32% or 33% depending on your method, both of which are greater than 30%.  Doesn't that make 9 the max?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: oldwarrior81 on December 09, 2019, 01:18:50 PM
Halliburton owning The Hall


I don't recall MU ever being mentioned in Tyrese Haliburton's recruiting.  Seems like a real miss on him.
He played only 80 miles from campus in Oshkosh.
Some are projecting him to eventually be a NBA first round draft pick.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on December 09, 2019, 01:22:13 PM
Don't understand the math here.  If he plays in 10/31, that is 32.26%, which rounds to 32% or 33% depending on your method, both of which are greater than 30%.  Doesn't that make 9 the max?

No. Please see Bylaw 12.8.4.2.6.2:

Fraction in Percent Computation. Any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a contest or date of competition shall be rounded to the next whole number (e.g., 30 percent of a 29-game basketball schedule—8.7 games—shall be considered nine games).

——
So, take the scheduled games (as defined) – in this case, 31. Multiply 30% by 31. That equals 9.3. Round up to 10. In this case, the max is actually 32.3%.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CTWarrior on December 09, 2019, 01:26:15 PM
No. Please see Bylaw 12.8.4.2.6.2:

Fraction in Percent Computation. Any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a contest or date of competition shall be rounded to the next whole number (e.g., 30 percent of a 29-game basketball schedule—8.7 games—shall be considered nine games).

——
So, take the scheduled games (as defined) – in this case, 31. Multiply 30% by 31. That equals 9.3. Round up to 10. In this case, the max is actually 32.3%.
Gotcha, thanks.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 09, 2019, 01:49:37 PM
I don't recall MU ever being mentioned in Tyrese Haliburton's recruiting.  Seems like a real miss on him.
He played only 80 miles from campus in Oshkosh.
Some are projecting him to eventually be a NBA first round draft pick.


He wasn't.  Ranked something like 170 coming out of high school.  Neither UW nor MU looked much at him.  Great article on the guy.

https://www.theringer.com/2019/11/27/20984769/tyrese-haliburton-iowa-state-nba-draft-prospect
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2019, 04:22:51 PM
Future Big East Member U Conn is 6-2 and has a game in the Garden against Indiana tomorrow night.

Xavier Beat U Conn earlier this year at neutral site.

Nova will play The Huskies  at home later this year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on December 09, 2019, 05:35:51 PM
NY Post says  Mamukelashvili had surgery today and is out 6-10 weeks.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on December 09, 2019, 05:52:29 PM
NY Post says  Mamukelashvili had surgery today and is out 6-10 weeks.

Means he'll almost certainly miss our first game with SHU, as that's 4.5 weeks away.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2019, 06:33:34 PM
Means he'll almost certainly miss our first game with SHU, as that's 4.5 weeks away.

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1204180780739629056
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on December 09, 2019, 07:15:44 PM
Means he'll almost certainly miss our first game with SHU, as that's 4.5 weeks away.
I have a feeling he will make a miraculous recovery and play against us.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Retire0 on December 09, 2019, 08:27:20 PM
I have a feeling he will make a miraculous recovery and play against us.

And Theo will be ejected with that news.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 09, 2019, 08:51:00 PM
Yes, the 30% requirement is met - no problem there. Just a nuance, but he'd be a good candidate if he doesn't return because he remains medically incapacitated through the rest of the season... by rule, if he was healthy in 8 weeks and could play, but decided not to, he would not (by rule) eligible for a medical hardship waiver.

Who decides "able to play"

Bohannon for Iowa is "able to play" right now but has til Thursday to decide to shut it down and get a red shirt for next year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2019, 09:29:52 PM
Real tough blow for the Pirates. Mamu is their best non-Powell player IMHO.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on December 09, 2019, 09:34:27 PM
Who decides "able to play"

Bohannon for Iowa is "able to play" right now but has til Thursday to decide to shut it down and get a red shirt for next year.

A doc would provide an opinion that the player was incapable of playing. Hogan mon doesn’t simply get to decide - he’d need medical staff to be if the opinion that he needs to shut it down because playing now is causing new issues. It’s a bit of a unique case.

(And, it wouldn’t be a redshirt. A redshirt is a description of someone who doesn’t play a second).
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on December 09, 2019, 09:47:25 PM
A doc would provide an opinion that the player was incapable of playing. Hogan mon doesn’t simply get to decide - he’d need medical staff to be if the opinion that he needs to shut it down because playing now is causing new issues. It’s a bit of a unique case.

(And, it wouldn’t be a redshirt. A redshirt is a description of someone who doesn’t play a second).

Don’t worry. A simple Google search will provide a player with results of doctors all over the place who will lie to provide a scholar athlete an extra year of eligibility. Cheeks promised many links to prove it, so it must be true.

Say you’re injured. Find a doctor to confirm the lie. Simple.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2019, 10:00:56 PM
Real tough blow for the Pirates. Mamu is their best non-Powell player IMHO.
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 09, 2019, 10:38:05 PM
Don’t worry. A simple Google search will provide a player with results of doctors all over the place who will lie to provide a scholar athlete an extra year of eligibility. Cheeks promised many links to prove it, so it must be true.

Say you’re injured. Find a doctor to confirm the lie. Simple.

I provided a number showing doctor shopping.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on December 09, 2019, 10:38:57 PM
Don’t worry. A simple Google search will provide a player with results of doctors all over the place who will lie to provide a scholar athlete an extra year of eligibility. Cheeks promised many links to prove it, so it must be true.

Say you’re injured. Find a doctor to confirm the lie. Simple.
He wouldn't lie, would he?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 09, 2019, 10:44:48 PM
He wouldn't lie, would he?


“Every main contributor to Dayton committed before Grant was the head coach“.....according to Wades....was he lying or just wrong?  I’ll go with the latter.  Now, in your case you were flat out lying about the investing thread....but that’s who you are.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on December 10, 2019, 07:11:22 AM
OK, Hoopaloop
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 10, 2019, 07:47:14 AM
Caution thread ruiner sighted!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 07:59:27 AM
Brown at The Johnnies should be an easy win for The Big East

Butler on the road against #11 Baylor .  A Solid research report on the game:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ourdailybears.com/platform/amp/2019/12/9/21004210/baylor-butler-preview-and-prediction-bears-bulldogs-sic-em-scott-drew
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 10, 2019, 08:50:30 AM
Butler on the road against Baylor. Both teams unbeaten .  A Solid research report on the game:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ourdailybears.com/platform/amp/2019/12/9/21004210/baylor-butler-preview-and-prediction-bears-bulldogs-sic-em-scott-drew

Baylor is 7-1
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 08:59:55 AM
Brown at The Johnnies should be an easy win for The Big East

Butler on the road against #11 Baylor .  A Solid research report on the game:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ourdailybears.com/platform/amp/2019/12/9/21004210/baylor-butler-preview-and-prediction-bears-bulldogs-sic-em-scott-drew
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 09:01:09 AM
Baylor is 7-1
Correction noted
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on December 10, 2019, 06:54:25 PM
Brown at The Johnnies should be an easy win for The Big East

Butler on the road against #11 Baylor .  A Solid research report on the game:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ourdailybears.com/platform/amp/2019/12/9/21004210/baylor-butler-preview-and-prediction-bears-bulldogs-sic-em-scott-drew
Only solid research report? I only read outstanding research reports
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 06:58:25 PM
The Johnnies up 41-24 at halftime.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on December 10, 2019, 07:05:03 PM
The Johnnies up 41-24 at halftime.
Your opinion good, excellent or outstanding half?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 10, 2019, 07:42:44 PM
Brown is now within 4 points.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 08:10:12 PM
Brown is now within 4 points.
The Johnnies  win by 11. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 08:27:17 PM
Baylor 21 Butler 10 9:54 left first
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 08:46:19 PM
Baylor 31 Butler 22 2:36 left first

Butler missing a lot of close shots.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 08:51:27 PM
Baylor up 10 at half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 09:34:43 PM
Baylor 47 Butler 40 8:59 left second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 09:51:04 PM
Baylor 53 Butler 49 2:54 left Butler had a chance to tie but then had two bad possessions
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 10, 2019, 10:00:14 PM
Baldwin could have bounce passed for a layup but played hero ball and got a charge.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 10:01:23 PM
53 52 Baylor 35 seconds left

Bad home town call went against Baldwin

Although Baldwin should have passed
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2019, 10:09:53 PM
Opportunities down stretch wasted

Butler Screwed The Big East
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2019, 10:12:08 PM
That sure looked like a charge to me. The defender got position, Baldwin put his head down and ran him over.

Baldwin had gotten away with a blatant travel on the previous possession, and it looked like another travel on the following possession.

Finally, he got his shot blocked in Butler's last realistic hope.

Can you believe how stupid a coach must be to give his superstar that many opportunities? What kind of coach does that?

Good comeback for Butler, though. That's a tough team right there. Why were they picked to finish 8th in the BEast again?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 10, 2019, 10:14:18 PM
Butler really screwed the BE losing by 1 on the road to #11
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: CTWarrior on December 10, 2019, 10:21:05 PM
That sure looked like a charge to me. The defender got position, Baldwin put his head down and ran him over.

Baldwin had gotten away with a blatant travel on the previous possession, and it looked like another travel on the following possession.

Finally, he got his shot blocked in Butler's last realistic hope.

Can you believe how stupid a coach must be to give his superstar that many opportunities? What kind of coach does that?

Good comeback for Butler, though. That's a tough team right there. Why were they picked to finish 8th in the BEast again?
I thought block.  Didn't think defender was there in time. 

I also think it is folly to just give your star the ball and say go win it.  It is not a winning strategy.  Play offense and get a good shot, not just whatever shot your best player can manage to force up.

Finally I agree that Butler is a tough squad and will be tough for us to beat.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2019, 10:38:04 PM
I thought block.  Didn't think defender was there in time. 

I also think it is folly to just give your star the ball and say go win it.  It is not a winning strategy.  Play offense and get a good shot, not just whatever shot your best player can manage to force up.

Finally I agree that Butler is a tough squad and will be tough for us to beat.

The announcers agreed with you. The refs agreed with me - ha!

I was just being snarky about giving the star the ball every single time and all but forcing him to win it with a difficult shot.

Folks forget that MJ passed to Paxson to win one title, passed to Wennington to win his 55-point game at MSG after he came out of retirement, and passed to Kerr to win another title. LeBron, same - passed to Allen to win a title. The truly great players know when they have to shoot and when to find an open teammate. It's not an easy skill to learn, though.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 11, 2019, 09:27:00 AM
Ya, that was Chris Spatola that said that. He works on Sirius XM a lot as well.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 11, 2019, 12:49:00 PM
Mustafa Heron for STJ out the next two weeks with a badly sprained ankle. Went down after landing on the foot of the player he blocked last night. While the Johnnies only have two games over the next three weeks one is a neutral site game against Arizona, so probably chalk that up as a loss. Hopefully, he is back in time for Butler. They do have one of the best AT's in the game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 11, 2019, 12:57:20 PM
They do have one of the best AT's in the game.

How do you know?

Serious question. We always hear teams boasting about having the best trainer or the best doctor ... but who is rating them? Why is the St. John's AT better than Marquette's or New Mexico State's or Wyoming's?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 11, 2019, 01:20:05 PM
How do you know?

Serious question. We always hear teams boasting about having the best trainer or the best doctor ... but who is rating them? Why is the St. John's AT better than Marquette's or New Mexico State's or Wyoming's?

I don't know about why is SJU is better than any other High Major but my guess is experience, school attended, facilities to work with, attempts with experimental treatments.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 11, 2019, 01:31:45 PM
I don't know about why is SJU is better than any other High Major but my guess is experience, school attended, facilities to work with, attempts with experimental treatments.

Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that this person is not a wonderful trainer. Just don't know how these things get "rated." Glad he's done a good job, and hope that he can help Heron heal quickly.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 11, 2019, 01:43:52 PM
I don't know about why is SJU is better than any other High Major but my guess is experience, school attended, facilities to work with, attempts with experimental treatments.

experience and reputation in the industry.  I'm not denigrating others but when one if so looked to it indicates to me they are among the best.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 11, 2019, 03:55:05 PM
More Info on Mustangs Heron ankle. Listed as day to day.  My guess is he sits out next game for sure and possibly sits out  the Arizona game in order to be fully healthy for conference play.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/12/11/st-johns-avoids-mustapha-heron-injury-disaster/amp/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 13, 2019, 10:10:43 PM
Solid win for Creighton over a lousy team tonight . A win is a win .
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 12:00:27 PM
Butler Comfortably up at half over Southern.

Will be interested in seeing how Ewing and Associates perform with a reduced roster against Syracuse.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 01:04:49 PM
Ewing and Associates up 48-36 at half. McClung on fire.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 01:35:55 PM
Butler receivers much needed comfort by winning over Southern
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 14, 2019, 01:39:51 PM
Bryce Golden scored 12 points on 4-of-5 shooting to lead No. 18 Butler’s balanced scoring attack in a 66-41 win.

Also cracking double figures for the Bulldogs (10-1) were Sean McDermott with 11 points on 3-of-5 3-point shooting and Khalif Battle with 10. Twelve Bulldogs played and 11 scored.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 02:19:36 PM
Big win for Ewing and Associates and The Big East
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 02:24:30 PM
Delaware battling Nova tough. Nova up 4 with 15:58 second half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 02:33:38 PM
DePaul  ahead 51-37 over UIC 11:44 left second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 03:22:56 PM
DePaul gets back on track with win against UIC

Nova holds off  Delaware.   .

Big East will gladly take two wins.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: jonny09 on December 14, 2019, 03:35:31 PM
I don’t see many BE teams past the first weekend in the round of 64. A bit overrated.  Seton Hall went the first 6 minutes today without a point.  Tell me who the great teams are in this conference?   I don’t see them.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2019, 03:38:02 PM
I don’t see many BE teams past the first weekend in the round of 64. A bit overrated.  Seton Hall went the first 6 minutes today without a point.  Tell me who the great teams are in this conference?   I don’t see them.

As of today, I can’t argue this assessment. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 03:56:42 PM
The Hall down 13 at half on road at Rutgers.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 04:07:44 PM
Xavier down 8 at halftime to Wake Forest.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 14, 2019, 04:10:39 PM
Good start to the day, but slumping. Hall looked dead on arrival, though showed a few signs of life at the end of the half to get back within spitting distance.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
Xavier looking sloppy. The announcers are saying the first half of the game was the best half of basketball they have seen Wake play this year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 14, 2019, 04:23:09 PM
I don’t see many BE teams past the first weekend in the round of 64. A bit overrated.  Seton Hall went the first 6 minutes today without a point.  Tell me who the great teams are in this conference?   I don’t see them.

http://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html

Second best winning % among all conference this season. Second only to the Big 12....who is 2-7 against the Big East.

If you are just looking at the top of the conference, I'd agree that we have no truly standout teams this season...though if you look at KenPom there is really only 1 standout team (Ohio State) in all of D1 this season. More parity than usual it seems. Big East is deep, no easy wins this season.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 04:24:03 PM
Wake 45 X 39 16:09 left second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 14, 2019, 04:25:45 PM
Good start to the day, but slumping. Hall looked dead on arrival, though showed a few signs of life at the end of the half to get back within spitting distance.

Powell hurt again
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 14, 2019, 04:39:15 PM
I don’t see many BE teams past the first weekend in the round of 64. A bit overrated.  Seton Hall went the first 6 minutes today without a point.  Tell me who the great teams are in this conference?   I don’t see them.

Marquette and Xavier have the best March fundamentals of the Big East teams. Wouldn't label either team great, and not sure if either wins more than 12 or 13 conference games, but they're best placed for the second weekend.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2019, 04:46:50 PM
http://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html

Second best winning % among all conference this season. Second only to the Big 12....who is 2-7 against the Big East.

If you are just looking at the top of the conference, I'd agree that we have no truly standout teams this season...though if you look at KenPom there is really only 1 standout team (Ohio State) in all of D1 this season. More parity than usual it seems. Big East is deep, no easy wins this season.

I agree with this as well.  I’m just not expecting much success in March
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: jonny09 on December 14, 2019, 04:49:27 PM
I agree with this as well.  I’m just not expecting much success in March


Agreed.  Statistics be damned.  I’m using the eye test.  Just not a lot of great teams. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: jonny09 on December 14, 2019, 04:51:02 PM
But cheeks would know best.  Cuz winning tourney games is just a crapshoot.   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 04:56:24 PM

Agreed.  Statistics be damned.  I’m using the eye test.  Just not a lot of great teams.
I believe that, given the way the tournament selection process is structured , there will be many Big East teams selected for the tournament. However, I agree with your eye test, there are simply not many great teams. That is why I always focus so hard on non conference. If a team can get 10 wins and a couple of them against quality opponents, they are in good position to make the tournament with a medium level of performance in Conference. All I really care about is MU making the tournament and to the extent our conference brethren need to do well that is a price of admission. 

 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2019, 05:03:27 PM

Agreed.  Statistics be damned.  I’m using the eye test.  Just not a lot of great teams.

I believe it’s a very good conference and quite deep.  At the moment, no team is capable of cutting down the nets.  That could change by March.  Is it the 2nd best league?  I can believe that argument and vice versa. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 05:05:19 PM
X has rallied to down 3 with 4:07 left at Wake.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 05:08:12 PM
Naji Marshall fouled out with 3:46 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 14, 2019, 05:08:13 PM
Seton Hall blasted by Rutgers, loses by 20 at the RAC. Started out down 14 and never really got into it. Powell left in the second with an undisclosed head injury.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 05:09:29 PM
Seton Hall blasted by Rutgers, loses by 20 at the RAC. Started out down 14 and never really got into it. Powell left in the second with an undisclosed head injury.
Seton Hall screwed The Big East.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on December 14, 2019, 05:11:36 PM
 “Chick-Fil-A is a cult”
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: GB Warrior on December 14, 2019, 05:12:54 PM
Seton Hall blasted by Rutgers, loses by 20 at the RAC. Started out down 14 and never really got into it. Powell left in the second with an undisclosed head injury.

Just a shame all around
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 05:15:26 PM
X down 1 with 20.8 left Wake has the ball. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 05:20:01 PM
X screwed The Big East
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2019, 05:29:51 PM
Wake Forest isn’t good.  Bad loss for X
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 14, 2019, 05:42:50 PM
Wake Forest isn’t good.  Bad loss for X

Road wins are hard to come by this year. Makes the KSU win that much more impressive.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 05:56:50 PM
It is up to Cooley & Company to resurrect the honor of  The Big East against Stony Brook.

I want to puke hearing the ACC network announcers saying Wakes win was like David over Goliath.   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on December 14, 2019, 06:07:41 PM
Is there a non-Big East MU opponent thread?

Mississippi St. 67 Kansas St. 61 Final.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 14, 2019, 06:31:00 PM
Is there a non-Big East MU opponent thread?

Mississippi St. 67 Kansas St. 61 Final.

Watched that, was a disappointing finish for K-State. Mississippi State ended the game with a 12-3 run over the last 4 minutes of the game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 06:31:44 PM
Is there a non-Big East MU opponent thread?

Mississippi St. 67 Kansas St. 61 Final.
Here is a thread you started
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59282.0
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 14, 2019, 06:51:49 PM
http://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html

Second best winning % among all conference this season. Second only to the Big 12....who is 2-7 against the Big East.

If you are just looking at the top of the conference, I'd agree that we have no truly standout teams this season...though if you look at KenPom there is really only 1 standout team (Ohio State) in all of D1 this season. More parity than usual it seems. Big East is deep, no easy wins this season.

And yet the top 8, or more, of the Big Ten would roll most of the BE. Ask Nova, Seton Hall,  and us about that. We have some good teams but no great teams despite this great non conference record of primarily buy games.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 14, 2019, 06:56:15 PM
And yet the top 8, or more, of the Big Ten would roll most of the BE. Ask Nova, Seton Hall,  and us about that. We have some good teams but no great teams despite this great non conference record of primarily buy games.

I believe last week one of the talking heads said top to bottom Big East best conference, but Big Ten the best at the top.  There are no Nebraskas in the Big East, but also no Ohio States or Elite teams this year either.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on December 14, 2019, 06:56:52 PM
Here is a thread you started
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59282.0

Thanks. I meant in the Al. But I frequently pay attention to MU opponents.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 06:57:53 PM
While my primary focus is on MU making the tournament, I also put heavy emphasis on how many conference teams make it to  the tournament. The more  Big East teams in the tournament helps everyone in recruiting. 

MU probably has the best chance of any team in The Big East of making noise in the tournament. It is possible for Markus to get in God mode for a few games.   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 14, 2019, 07:05:56 PM
I'll say I don't think it will be sustainable once they get to the grind of conference play, but I noticed this today. James Akinjo, Galen Alexander, and Myron Gardner are Georgetown's three least efficient offensive players this season. In the 7 games Georgetown played with a full roster, they were averaging 1.02 ppp and had a 4-3 record. In the 3 games since their transfer epidemic started, they are averaging 1.21 ppp and have gone 3-0.

In fact, Georgetown are averaging more without the transfers out than they did in any individual game with their full roster (1.206 against Texas was their best game) and they are scoring at a higher rate than they did against even their cupcake opponents. They scored...

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 14, 2019, 07:08:36 PM
It is up to Cooley & Company to resurrect the honor of  The Big East against Stony Brook.

I want to puke hearing the ACC network announcers saying Wakes win was like David over Goliath.

I thought the ACC half time post game crew was pretty rough.  Missed the FS1 &;2 crew.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on December 14, 2019, 07:12:20 PM
All I care about is that we get many conference teams in the tournament. The more  Big East teams in the tournament helps everyone in recruiting. 

MU probably has the best chance of any team in The Big East of making noise in the tournament. It is possible for Markus to get in God mode for a few games.   
Herman—you have now said on THIS PAGE...all you care about is MU making the tournament. A short while later, you say all you care about is Big East teams making the tournament. I think you post so much you forget what you posted 30 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 14, 2019, 07:26:01 PM
Apparently Powell didn't even know he was participating in a basketball game. Quite the concussion he got.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 14, 2019, 08:04:47 PM
Neither of those losses are great, the X one especially. This is probably the best Rutgers team we've seen in a long time but probably more of an NIT team than an NCAA team.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 08:11:16 PM
Herman—you have now said on THIS PAGE...all you care about is MU making the tournament. A short while later, you say all you care about is Big East teams making the tournament. I think you post so much you forget what you posted 30 minutes ago.
Correction noted.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 08:35:35 PM
Cooley & Company up 14 10:04 left game.

 ir
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 08:58:06 PM
Cooley & Company battling like it is a tournament game. Up 6 with 1:27 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 14, 2019, 09:01:34 PM
Cooley & Company battling like it is a tournament game. Up 6 with 1:27 left

A CBI tournament game?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on December 14, 2019, 09:12:58 PM
Kevin Willard: “Myles Powell suffered a severed head. His funeral will be next Saturday.”

Also Kevin Willard, Thursday night: “Myles, you’re starting tonight.”
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2019, 09:22:38 PM
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/14/rutgers-seton-hall-basketball/4382989002/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 15, 2019, 11:30:44 AM
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2019/12/14/another-incomplete-showing-ends-xavier-loss-wake-forest/2650087001/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 15, 2019, 08:55:43 PM
http://friarbasketball.com/2019/12/15/friars-get-needed-win-stony-brook/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: source? on December 16, 2019, 03:58:43 AM
Apparently Powell didn't even know he was participating in a basketball game. Quite the concussion he got.

I heard from a Hall fan that Powell got the concussion in the first 5 minutes, but nobody noticed until at around the 4 min mark he asked why they were practicing at Rutgers.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2019, 06:41:33 AM
Denzel Mahoney is now eligible for Creighton. Also Davion Mintz and Kelvin Jones back from injuries.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2019/12/13/21021289/creighton-loses-in-an-unbelievable-upset-lol
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 16, 2019, 06:58:58 AM
Denzel Mahoney is now eligible for Creighton. Also Davion Mintz and Kelvin Jones back from injuries.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2019/12/13/21021289/creighton-loses-in-an-unbelievable-upset-lol

They couldn't have waited another few weeks?

Just kidding. I hope Creighton is at full strength. It will be more fun to beat them that way.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: UWW2MU on December 16, 2019, 08:17:55 AM
I heard from a Hall fan that Powell got the concussion in the first 5 minutes, but nobody noticed until at around the 4 min mark he asked why they were practicing at Rutgers.

Yes, this was in the post game article: https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/14/rutgers-seton-hall-basketball/4382989002/

"He asked me during the game, 'Why are we practicing at Rutgers?'" Willard said. "I kind of looked at him, because I was wondering what the heck he was doing out there. We sat down during the (under-4) timeout and his eyes kind of rolled into the back of his head. It hit him like a wave. He got whacked pretty good."
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 17, 2019, 07:05:12 AM
Four Big East games tonight. Two of them big match ups. List posted on the top pinned thread.

Marquette's listings of RSN's also listed for tonight's game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 08:45:33 AM
Four Big East games tonight. Two of them big match ups. List posted on the top pinned thread.

Marquette's listings of RSN's also listed for tonight's game.

Creighton and Cooley & Company have solid opportunities to help The Big East cause tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on December 17, 2019, 10:24:39 AM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28318560/seton-hall-myles-powell-indefinitely-concussion

Powell out indefinitely.  Would have put them as dogs against Maryland even with him.  SH only going to have 7 non-conference wins.  Unless the advanced number really like them come Selection Sunday, I would think they'd need at least 11 BEast wins, and if Powell misses the first few conference games too, 11 will be a major uphill battle.   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 17, 2019, 10:28:38 AM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28318560/seton-hall-myles-powell-indefinitely-concussion

Powell out indefinitely.  Would have put them as dogs against Maryland even with him.  SH only going to have 7 non-conference wins.  Unless the advanced number really like them come Selection Sunday, I would think they'd need at least 11 BEast wins, and if Powell misses the first few conference games too, 11 will be a major uphill battle.

Knowing Willard Powell will miraculously recover for the Maryland game
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 17, 2019, 10:32:00 AM
Seton Hall feels like a bubble team right now. The Committee could somewhat discount losses without Powell and Mamu, but at some point they'll just lose too much. 4 of their first 6 league games are on the road. There's no easy Big East schedule, but if they start 2-4 or 1-5, that's a huge ask to get on the right side of the bubble.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 06:25:56 PM
Ewing and Associates up 18 at halftime over UMBC.


Yurtseven 12 and 10 at the half. Terrell Allen playing well also .
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 17, 2019, 07:23:38 PM
Hoyas cruise to an 81-56 win over UMBC with 4 in double figures.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 07:45:14 PM
Florida blowing  out Cooley & Company up 19 12:05 left second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 08:23:18 PM
Creighton up 7 2:54 left first.

Solid performances by both teams.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 08:31:58 PM
Creighton 41 Oklahoma 38 Halftime.

Enjoying this game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 08:38:18 PM
Cooley & Company screwed The Big East.

Massive 32 point loss to Florida.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 08:53:00 PM
Creighton out of the gate fast in second half. Up 10 17:33 left. Some beautiful passing by Zegarowski .
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 09:16:43 PM
Creighton up 2 with 11:32 left second

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on December 17, 2019, 09:29:46 PM
Creighton up 2 with 11:32 left second
??
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: fjm on December 17, 2019, 09:34:20 PM
??

CU up 12 with 5 min left.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 09:35:14 PM
Creighton 74 Oklahoma 62 4:31 left game

Very Fun game to watch.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 09:47:18 PM
Creighton 81 Oklahoma 70  1:05 left game
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 09:50:34 PM
Final Creighton 83 Oklahoma 73

Creighton running 5 guards most of the game. Very fun to watch.  Keeping Bishop out of foul trouble is going to be essential for them. Mahoney looked solid in his debut.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2019, 06:32:28 AM
Ed Cooley has done solid work at Providence.  It’s not an easy job.  That said, they’ve been a bad offensive team for awhile and he can preach toughness all he wants, at some point, you have to put the ball through the hoop
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 18, 2019, 01:29:08 PM
Excellent Research Report on Source of Cooley & Company current weakness.

https://www.yurview.com/all-ball/providences-persistent-point-guard-problem/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 18, 2019, 06:35:19 PM
Western Carolina up on Xavier in the 2nd half 47-43 on FS1.
No Marshall tonight. Sick.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 18, 2019, 07:06:46 PM
60-57 X 6:41 left game

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 18, 2019, 07:22:04 PM
X wins 74-61.

Western Carolina a decent win for them had a 104 NET ranking coming into game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 18, 2019, 07:34:16 PM
DePaul up 43-42 at half on the road at Cleveland State.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 18, 2019, 08:02:01 PM
DePaul up 63-60 with 1:53 left.

CSU 30 turnovers. DePaul 24.  :o
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 18, 2019, 08:52:11 PM
DePaul up 63-60 with 1:53 left.

CSU 30 turnovers. DePaul 24.  :o
DePaul picks up road win 73-65 and goes to 11-1
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 18, 2019, 09:38:52 PM
The Johnnies won 85-57 over Albany. Coach Anderson has led the team to a 10-2 record. 

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on December 18, 2019, 10:57:55 PM
Why the frick is depaul paying an away game at Cleveland state?  Pathetic.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 18, 2019, 11:17:02 PM
Why the frick is depaul paying an away game at Cleveland state?  Pathetic.

Home and home payback. Maybe meant to be a belated homecoming game for Cleveland Melvin?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: source? on December 19, 2019, 12:00:34 AM
Why the frick is depaul paying an away game at Cleveland state?  Pathetic.

Just spit balling here, but maybe their season ticket sales don't bring in quite enough income to pay for every cupcake to be at home.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: IrwinFletcher on December 19, 2019, 07:03:31 AM
Regardless the reason, good for them for doing this.  Happens that they are good this year and will help raise their profile

I saw over the weekend that Purdue played at Ohio University.  The announcers said it was tied to a football game contract.  So Ohio played at Purdue for football and then got a home and home in basketball.  Likely lessened the payout for the football game but Ohio got a home basketball game with a big name opponent.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 19, 2019, 08:48:52 AM
Regardless the reason, good for them for doing this.  Happens that they are good this year and will help raise their profile

I saw over the weekend that Purdue played at Ohio University.  The announcers said it was tied to a football game contract.  So Ohio played at Purdue for football and then got a home and home in basketball.  Likely lessened the payout for the football game but Ohio got a home basketball game with a big name opponent.

That's how Wisky had to play at WKU.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 19, 2019, 11:12:40 AM
Selected research reports for Maryland at Seton Hall Tonight

https://nypost.com/2019/12/18/seton-hall-just-trying-to-survive-with-season-in-shambles/

https://www.testudotimes.com/maryland-terps-basketball/2019/12/18/21026989/maryland-mens-basketball-seton-hall-preview-predictions-stats-matchup-summary-myles-powell

https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/17/seton-hall-basketball-myles-powell/2673359001/

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 19, 2019, 11:18:35 AM
If Seton Hall doesn't win tonight, I expect they'll be on the bubble come Selection Sunday, barring an autobid.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2019, 11:20:29 AM
If Seton Hall doesn't win tonight, I expect they'll be on the bubble come Selection Sunday, barring an autobid.

Couldn't happen to better Big East team.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on December 19, 2019, 05:57:15 PM
I guess we are supposed to hope Seton Hall beats Maryland?  Yeah, I just can't cheer for those jack wagons.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on December 19, 2019, 05:59:55 PM
Go Terps.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2019, 06:22:56 PM
When Mark Turgeon and Kevin Willard teams meet, any amount of ridiculous is probable
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 19, 2019, 06:36:32 PM
Gill  is just dominating the paint for the Hall on defense......and Maryland can’t make a jump shot.

Length and athleticism of the Hall is a good matchup for them against Maryland.

CBB is just so bizarre......Hall gets blown out at Rutgers and now dominating Maryland.......home and road has been much bigger factor this season then what it normally is......or so it seems.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 19, 2019, 07:20:38 PM
the hall has held MD to 27 points thru 28 min of b-ball?  making bucky blush
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2019, 07:29:28 PM
the hall has held MD to 27 points thru 28 min of b-ball?  making bucky blush

That center is ridiculous at blocking. I mean better than Theo good
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 19, 2019, 07:34:45 PM
do we root for the hall or mary land
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2019, 07:42:04 PM
do we root for the hall or mary land

Hall we play 2x so them yet somehow I find myself rooting for Maryland
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2019, 07:42:48 PM
If Maryland's O was like this when we played them we'd have destroyed them. Wtf.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 19, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
33 points with just 5 minutes to go? What the hell is Maryland doing?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 19, 2019, 08:04:22 PM
Seton Hall can't put this game away. Missed free-throws. Enough to hold on. Defence was outstanding.

52-48. Gigantic win! Love it.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 19, 2019, 08:08:35 PM
Huge night for Quincy McKnight and The Hall

Great win For The Big East

Even though Seton Hall are total D-&89che  Bags, have to root for them non conference.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 19, 2019, 08:08:48 PM
Seton Hall wins. Wish they had lost. Can't bring myself to cheer for them at all. They did rescue their at-large hopes tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 19, 2019, 08:11:55 PM
Not a Hall/Willard fan, but that was a big win for the BE tonight.

Hard to figure out the Hall. They get blown out by Rutgers, then beat Maryland without Powell.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on December 19, 2019, 08:14:59 PM
Can you say “cancerous?”
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 19, 2019, 08:24:57 PM
Seton Hall wins. Wish they had lost. Can't bring myself to cheer for them at all. They did rescue their at-large hopes tonight.
Anything good for Big East is good for Marquette.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 19, 2019, 08:36:29 PM
Anything good for Big East is good for Marquette.

I get the concept, but by that logic, anything good for Wisconsin is good for Marquette. I don't subscribe to that either.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 19, 2019, 08:47:38 PM
I get the concept, but by that logic, anything good for Wisconsin is good for Marquette. I don't subscribe to that either.
Wisconsin the state or university?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 19, 2019, 08:53:43 PM
I get the concept, but by that logic, anything good for Wisconsin is good for Marquette. I don't subscribe to that either.
I don't subscribe to that one either.  :D
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: IrwinFletcher on December 19, 2019, 08:54:41 PM
If Marquette won a game the way Seton Hall closed this one out, people would be calling for  Wojo’s head.

Couldn’t make FT’s, inbounding issues etc.

Nice win for the conference.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 19, 2019, 09:00:13 PM
If Marquette won a game the way Seton Hall closed this one out, people would be calling for  Wojo’s head.

Couldn’t make FT’s, inbounding issues etc.

Nice win for the conference.

Not to mention there would be three to four very loud people hammering home the point that the other team shot 25% and Marquette got very lucky to win a game like that. 

Humans are irrational. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on December 19, 2019, 11:05:13 PM
Better without Powell...
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 20, 2019, 08:19:36 AM
Hall we play 2x so them yet somehow I find myself rooting for Maryland

just wondering from a strength of schedule type thing-the more they win the better the our loss looks
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 20, 2019, 12:01:26 PM
Not a Hall/Willard fan, but that was a big win for the BE tonight.

Hard to figure out the Hall. They get blown out by Rutgers, then beat Maryland without Powell.

Home court has been a helluva drug this year
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 20, 2019, 10:00:28 PM
MU does their part for the Big East tonight.  Get a win and move on.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 21, 2019, 12:02:03 AM
Saturday 12/21
FOX College Hoops Tip-off at 10:30am

1 Kansas @ 18 Villanova, 11:00, FOX - Gus Johnson, Jim Jackson, Andy Katz
Big East/Big 12 Battle
Line: Kansas -1.5/146.5

Samford @ Georgetown, 11:00, FS1 -Wayne Randazzo, Len Elmore
Line: Georgetown -16/160

Texas @ Providence, 1:00, FOX - Brian Custer, Donny Marshall, Lisa Byington
Big East/Big 12 Battle
Line: Texas -1/133.5

Purdue vs. 17 Butler (Indianapolis), 1:30, BTN - Kevin Kugler, Robbie Hummel
Line: Butler -1.5/118

Northwestern @ DePaul, 7:30, CBSSN -Ben Holden, Chris Walker & Jon Rothstein sidelines
Line: DePaul -6.5/136

Creighton @ Arizona State, 7:30, P12N/AZ - Daron Sutton, Eddie House
Line: Arizona State -3/149

St. John's vs. 16 Arizona (San Francisco), 9:00, ESPN2 - Dave Pasch, Bill Walton
Line: Arizona -11/154
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 21, 2019, 07:03:54 AM
Great slate of games.  Seems like the entire Big East has played a solid non conference schedule.  Obviously the big ten and big 12 challenges help but its more than that.  Really holding our own as a conference.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 08:17:43 AM
Quite a few opportunities for good Quality wins today for The Big East today.  A positive showing would help the leagues cause.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on December 21, 2019, 12:18:04 PM
Nova up 35-27 14 min left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 21, 2019, 12:56:13 PM
Free throws matta

Kansas chokes the line.

Huge for Nova
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on December 21, 2019, 01:04:19 PM
Nova represents.  Huge win.


56-55
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 21, 2019, 01:05:51 PM
Nobody wants to be #1 this season
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 01:07:15 PM
Huge win For The Big East . Great job by Nova. Really helps the cause.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on December 21, 2019, 01:09:20 PM
Nice win. Sloppy down the stretch. A lot of posters think it’s only us that makes key mistakes but that’s college basketball.
Good work Nova.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 21, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
Weird that the refs don't go to the monitor with 3 seconds left. Should have been looked at.

Huge comeback for Villanova. Looked bad, down 55-51.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 21, 2019, 01:14:01 PM
I know they played a cupcake but Yurtseven with 32pts, 17rebs, 4 blocks for GTown.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 21, 2019, 01:18:19 PM
I know they played a cupcake but Yurtseven with 32pts, 17rebs, 4 blocks for GTown.
Georgetown will have a excellent Christmas Break. 5-0 since the mess.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 01:21:36 PM
Georgetown will have a excellent Christmas Break. 5-0 since the mess.
Ewing and Associates  are helping the leagues cause with their recent  good performance
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Coleman on December 21, 2019, 01:49:52 PM
Overall huge set of games for the conference today. A chance to rack up a bunch of wins against quality power conference opponents

Massive win by Nova.
Georgetown took care of business
Providence is up early on 9-1 Texas
Butler playing Purdue
Creighton plays Arizona State
DePaul hopefully picks up a B10 win over Northwestern
St Johns is at Arizona


Tons of opportunities for the conference to boost resumes today
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 01:51:20 PM
Cooley & Company attempting to make up for past transgressions against the Big East ; up 10 3:56 left first
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: AlienWarrior on December 21, 2019, 01:54:45 PM
Huge win For The Big East . Great job by Nova. Really helps the cause.

It really helps their cause
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 21, 2019, 01:54:48 PM
St Johns is at Arizona

Actually, it's a neutral site game in San Francisco. The Johnnies scheduled this game at the home of the Golden State Warriors to honor Chris Mullin. I wonder if they'll have a nice ceremony for Mike Anderson instead.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 21, 2019, 02:24:12 PM
Harms not playing for Purdue. Injured?

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 21, 2019, 02:26:13 PM
2019 Basketball Hall of Fame
Al Attles Classic
Chase Center, San Francisco, CA
Saturday, December 21, 2019

Session 1
 Stanford vs San Diego
 California vs Boston College

 Session 2
 Arizona vs St. John's
St. Mary's vs Nevada

Bill Walton is calling 3 of the 4. Which I love!

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 21, 2019, 02:28:09 PM
Big East in now up 6-2 in the challenge series against the Big 12. Only 2 games left.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
Cooley & Company up 18 over Shaka !5:32 left second half. Pipkens finally having a decent game for the Friars.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 21, 2019, 02:39:29 PM
Providence playing their best game of the season so far.  Shaka-ing.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 21, 2019, 02:40:41 PM
Harms not playing for Purdue. Injured?

Bad concussion the other day...here is video


https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/video-purdues-matt-haarms-fall-vs-nebraska
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 21, 2019, 02:40:50 PM
You know ... I'm getting doggone tired of all y'all Scoopers beating up on Shaka.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 21, 2019, 02:45:25 PM
You know ... I'm getting doggone tired of all y'all Scoopers beating up on Shaka.
He is a Smart coach.

Newsflash:. Beating a P5 team on the road is tough.  K-STATE game matters.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 03:11:20 PM
Cooley & Company end up the non conference back in the good graces of The Big East. Big win over Shaka.

Friars have some talent and finally put it all together today in a comprehensive way.

Looking forward to our game with Cooley in January. Should be a good one.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 21, 2019, 03:13:08 PM
Butler up on Purdue 48-33 on BTN.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on December 21, 2019, 03:13:28 PM
Big east looking good. Looking forward to the Huskies joining the squad
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 03:23:31 PM
Butler 51 Purdue 37 7:left second half
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 21, 2019, 03:30:40 PM
Haarms out with a concussion.  Butler doing what they do.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 21, 2019, 03:33:53 PM
Big East in now up 6-2 in the challenge series against the Big 12. Only 2 games left.

Yet, KPom has the B12 higher rated over the BE. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Nukem2 on December 21, 2019, 03:35:35 PM
Haarms out with a concussion.  Butler doing what they do.
Haarms wearing ear plugs.  Not looking like he’ll play soon.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 21, 2019, 03:46:05 PM
Free throws mattering to Butler right now. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 04:01:02 PM
Free throws mattering to Butler right now.
Butler made the free throws down the stretch and won 70-61 at the Crossroads Classic. Excellent win for the Big East. Butler team really plays well together ,kudos to Coach Jordan.

Tremendous day so for The Big East so far going 4-0.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 21, 2019, 04:22:56 PM
Yet, KPom has the B12 higher rated over the BE.

I was thinking the same looking at those standings today. Looking at the stats, the Big East is 91-25 (0.784 WP%) while the Big 12 is 80-24 (0.769). In head-to-head between the leagues, the Big East leads 10-3. I have a feeling there's a lot of old data baked in. The Big 12 has a number of teams (KSU, Texas, TCU, Oklahoma, Texas Tech) who have seen their Pomeroy ranking fall 15+ spots since the season started while only West Virginia has exceeded expectations. Something tells me that worm will turn soon enough.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 05:44:37 PM
DePaul getting some good local press in advance of Northwestern game.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/12/19/21030360/depaul-blue-demons-basketball-zach-zaidman-dan-roan-dave-leitao-charlie-moore-paul-reed-wgn-score


https://depauliaonline.com/44976/sports/preview-depaul-looks-to-break-four-game-losing-streak-to-northwestern/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 06:32:34 PM
Preview of tonight’s Creighton game with Arizona State and Remy Martin 

https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/scouting-report-players-to-watch-three-keys-for-creighton-at/article_9dff8fbb-10cf-5ff7-a592-bf083925c675.html
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 21, 2019, 06:49:38 PM
DePaul getting some good local press in advance of Northwestern game.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/12/19/21030360/depaul-blue-demons-basketball-zach-zaidman-dan-roan-dave-leitao-charlie-moore-paul-reed-wgn-score


https://depauliaonline.com/44976/sports/preview-depaul-looks-to-break-four-game-losing-streak-to-northwestern/

Good research reports.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on December 21, 2019, 07:06:36 PM
Preview of tonight’s Creighton game with Arizona State and Remy Martin 

https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/scouting-report-players-to-watch-three-keys-for-creighton-at/article_9dff8fbb-10cf-5ff7-a592-bf083925c675.html
Channel.?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 21, 2019, 07:12:38 PM
Channel.?

PAC 12 Network....Johnny09 has it on
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on December 21, 2019, 07:15:53 PM
PAC 12 Network....Johnny09 has it on
Who even provides that network. What you mean johhny has it on bro
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: jonny09 on December 21, 2019, 07:16:42 PM
PAC 12 Network....Johnny09 has it on


Wait.   I don’t get it??  How can you watch the pac 12 network??   I don’t get it.  Lmfao. 

This guy.  👆
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 21, 2019, 07:23:00 PM
Tonight's games. TV schedule always pinned at the top thread.  ;)


Northwestern @ DePaul, 7:30, CBSSN -Ben Holden, Chris Walker & Jon Rothstein sidelines
Line: DePaul -6.5/136

Creighton @ Arizona State, 7:30, P12N/AZ - Daron Sutton, Eddie House
Line: Arizona State -3/149

St. John's vs. 16 Arizona (San Francisco), 9:00, ESPN2 - Dave Pasch, Bill Walton
Line: Arizona -11.5
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 21, 2019, 07:23:23 PM
Who even provides that network. What you mean johhny has it on bro

09 version of Johnny, Bro.....He’s a big Utah watching fan, watches all their games...says Jayce Johnson sucks, terrible, cannot play, not a D1 player...did that all with his extensive watching on the PAC 12 Network.   Not many provide that network any longer, they’ve lost distribution as carriers have dropped them.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 07:24:36 PM
Selected Research Reports in Tonight’s Johnnie game versus Arizona and Nico Mannion

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2019/12/20/21031168/5-things-to-know-st-johns-basketball-arizona-wildcats-preview-chase-center-san-francisco

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2019/12/21/21032590/arizona-st-johns-basketball-preview-watch-wildcats-san-francisco-chase-center-time-tv-live-stream

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/12/21/st-johns-can-change-narrative-in-massive-arizona-test/amp/


Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 07:26:31 PM
Channel.?
ESPN2
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: jonny09 on December 21, 2019, 07:27:43 PM
09 version of Johnny, Bro.....He’s a big Utah watching fan, watches all their games...says Jayce Johnson sucks, terrible, cannot play, not a D1 player...did that all with his extensive watching on the PAC 12 Network.   Not many provide that network any longer, they’ve lost distribution as carriers have dropped them.

But how???   I don’t get it.  How do I watch??   
It’s just not possible.  Ahhhhhh........I remember that day fondly.  The day I officially realized you had a pea sized brain.  People tried telling me over and over again. Guess I should have listened.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 21, 2019, 07:51:23 PM
Nova represents.  Huge win.


56-55
Money can't buy happiness.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 21, 2019, 08:05:19 PM
But how???   I don’t get it.  How do I watch??   
It’s just not possible.  Ahhhhhh........I remember that day fondly.  The day I officially realized you had a pea sized brain.  People tried telling me over and over again. Guess I should have listened.

Simple, you watch PAC 12 Network....not hard...not sure why you make it hard...keep going with the JJ tear downs here...working very well for you.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: jonny09 on December 21, 2019, 08:10:42 PM
Simple, you watch PAC 12 Network....not hard...not sure why you make it hard...keep going with the JJ tear downs here...working very well for you.

That’s just it.  It wasn’t simple for you.  Should I rehash the post.  You’re not bright.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on December 21, 2019, 08:18:26 PM
Marquette opponent final score:

SLU 66
K-State 63

(Game was played at Sprint Center in Kansas City. SLU played w/o one of its best shooters, Gibson Jimerson who broke his foot recently and is now out for the season. Stockard had 17, Sneed 11, Diarra 6 for K-St.)
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 08:20:53 PM
Arizona State and Remy Martin up 32-30 at half against Creighton

Would be great if Creighton could some how steal a road win.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 08:49:21 PM
Northwestern up 4 at half at DePaul
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 08:52:37 PM
Creighton up  1
11:43  left Second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 09:13:30 PM
Johnnies 9-6 15:49 first

Creighton up 6 3:34 left second

Northwestern up 1 8:35 left second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 09:26:27 PM
Creighton does the Big East proud and bears Arizona State on the road

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 21, 2019, 09:26:46 PM
Came here just to say this.

The Big East is LEGIT. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 21, 2019, 09:30:31 PM
St. John's up on Arizona 23-11 on ESPN2

Northwestern 72-71. 3 minutes left on CBSSN. Good game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 09:34:09 PM
DePaul up 79-74 1:21 left. Nice late rally by DePaul

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 21, 2019, 09:36:21 PM
DePaul up 79-74 1:21 left. Nice late rally by DePaul

Big 15-2 run by DePaul to rally, just need to hold on.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 09:39:50 PM
Big 15-2 run by DePaul to rally, just need to hold on.
81-76 DePaul 16.8 left
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 21, 2019, 09:43:23 PM
DePaul with a late surge, then holds on to beat Northwestern and finish non-con 12-1. Best they've done in a long, long time.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 09:44:12 PM
DePaul wins 83-78 excellent game

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Sixteen2One on December 21, 2019, 09:45:50 PM
Look what winning does to a team. DePaul looked like a team that knew they would win even when NW came on and took a lead late.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 21, 2019, 09:49:14 PM
Not a Big East game. Yet, USC leads LSU late on FS1.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 09:56:16 PM
The Johnnies up 14 at half. Incredible 15 foot finger Roll by Figueroa right before first half buzzer.

Anderson has The Johnnies playing like a team and hustling on D
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 21, 2019, 10:03:20 PM
Came here just to say this.

The Big East is LEGIT.


Not surprising, many of us said the rebound from last year would happen this year.  League was very young last year.

We may not have the elite teams, but there is no easy out.  Going to be an absolute war.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MUINGB on December 21, 2019, 10:05:52 PM
The big East looked very good today.    I hope MU will be able to match the intensity and toughness these BE teams showed today, if not, we end up on the bottom half.   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on December 21, 2019, 10:28:41 PM
USC improves to 10-2 with 70-68 win over LSU.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2019, 10:34:03 PM
St. John's looks good against Arizona.  Pretty athletic/physical.  League will be a lot tougher this year.  Great day for Big East. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 21, 2019, 10:50:18 PM
St. John's looks good against Arizona.  Pretty athletic/physical.  League will be a lot tougher this year.  Great day for Big East.
Big East was pretty deep last season.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Sixteen2One on December 21, 2019, 11:01:45 PM
Looks like St Johns is gonna choke this one
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 11:04:54 PM
Johnnies up 64-59 3:48 left second half. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 11:11:26 PM
Johnnies missing free throws and Zona making theirs down stretch . Johnnies led down to 1 with 1:50 left second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Sixteen2One on December 21, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Johnnies are playing not to lose....
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 21, 2019, 11:19:04 PM
SJU wins

What a day for the league
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Sixteen2One on December 21, 2019, 11:20:11 PM
WOW...they held on. Huge few days for Big East. We will remember this stretch on Selection Sunday.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 11:24:04 PM
Huge win for The Johnnies.

Great day for The Big East . Beat number 1 . Road wins. Rivalry wins. Cooley won .




Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 21, 2019, 11:27:53 PM
Big East Conference had a huge day the first Saturday in December as well.
December 7th

Marquette over Kansas State
Georgetown over SMU
Butler over Florida
Xavier over Cincinnati
St. John's over West Virginia
Creighton over Nebraska
Villanova over St. Joe's

7-0 again today. 6 were real games. 4 were underdogs.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on December 22, 2019, 08:25:47 AM
Great day for the BE! Add MU's Friday win and we have an 8-0 weekend.

With only 5 remaining non conference ( 4 cupcakes + TCU ) games before the start of BE conference play on 12/30, what are your (updated) conference predictions for Marquette in particular and the BE in general after seeing the teams in action?

I have great respect for Brew's analysis, so I am especially interested in knowing if his appraisals of the teams has changed significantly. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 08:29:07 AM
Great day for the BE! Add MU's Friday win and we have an 8-0 weekend.

With only 5 remaining non conference ( all cupcakes) games before the start of BE conference play on 12/30, what are your (updated) conference predictions for Marquette in particular and the BE in general after seeing the teams in action?

I have great respect for Brew's analysis, so I am especially interested in knowing if his appraisals of the teams has changed significantly.

10 way tie with everyone having a 9-9 record.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 22, 2019, 09:23:45 AM
I’d take 10-8 in a heart beat.  All teams that make the tournament from this conference will be battle tested and ready to do some damage in March.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: THRILLHO on December 22, 2019, 09:35:46 AM

We may not have the elite teams, but there is no easy out.  Going to be an absolute war.

After yesterday, I'm starting to think that there aren't any elite teams in any conference. Villanova knocked off #1 and will keep improving, Butler's already top ten, and I think we'll keep improving. It might be hard for any team in our league to get a 1 seed, which is unfortunate for matchups in the tournament, but I also don't think there will be much drop off from 1 to 3 seeds.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 10:01:23 AM
After yesterday, I'm starting to think that there aren't any elite teams in any conference. Villanova knocked off #1 and will keep improving, Butler's already top ten, and I think we'll keep improving. It might be hard for any team in our league to get a 1 seed, which is unfortunate for matchups in the tournament, but I also don't think there will be much drop off from 1 to 3 seeds.

Agree with this
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 22, 2019, 10:39:50 AM
Big East was pretty deep last season.

May have been pretty deep, but the league was weak last year, evidenced by both KenPom end of year ratings - a distant 5th - and zero NCAA tourney success.

Think the league will do better this year in NCAA, and CBB is slightly down this year over last.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2019, 12:13:37 PM
Nova has two non con games left with U Conn and Temple later this year . If they can win those that will be helpful to the cause.

X needs to beat TCU today

All remaining cupcakes games need to be won big

Overall goal is to get as many Big East teams in tournament for money making purposes. The more The Big East wins in the tournament the more money made.

More quality teams in league increases the chances for better seeds .

Visibility of having lots of teams in bracket also helps recruiting etc

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 22, 2019, 12:30:39 PM
Imagine believing the Big East isn’t a top-5 conference in the country.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 12:42:40 PM
Imagine believing the Big East isn’t a top-5 conference in the country.

Sad,y there are posters on this board that think this, let alone on other boards which I would expect.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 22, 2019, 01:01:06 PM
May have been pretty deep, but the league was weak last year, evidenced by both KenPom end of year ratings - a distant 5th - and zero NCAA tourney success.

Think the league will do better this year in NCAA, and CBB is slightly down this year over last.

Of course it is how one wants to look at it. Weak it was not! Having 9 of 10 teams in the ncaa/nit is pretty excellent in a so-called down year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 22, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
There is an argument for 7 teams to be ranked tomorrow. And one the three that shouldn’t be ranked opened the year in the top 10. Crazy good conference. Would love to see 8/10 teams in the dance.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on December 22, 2019, 01:20:54 PM
Nova has two non con games left with U Conn and Temple later this year . If they can win those that will be helpful to the cause.

X needs to beat TCU today

All remaining cupcakes games need to be won big

Overall goal is to get as many Big East teams in tournament for money making purposes. The more The Big East wins in the tournament the more money made.

More quality teams in league increases the chances for better seeds .

Visibility of having lots of teams in bracket also helps recruiting etc
What does this even mean?? Big east is quite good and I don't see that changing. Adding Uconn was a near grand slam imo. The conference will be fine. Do we really need to worry about the conference getting teams in so much? what's gonna happen ?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on December 22, 2019, 01:41:04 PM
What does this even mean?? Big east is quite good and I don't see that changing. Adding Uconn was a near grand slam imo. The conference will be fine. Do we really need to worry about the conference getting teams in so much? what's gonna happen ?

It's something like 1.7 million for your conference for each game played. So $170,000 to each school. Not program changing but a good bit of coin.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2019, 01:45:56 PM
What does this even mean?? Big east is quite good and I don't see that changing. Adding Uconn was a near grand slam imo. The conference will be fine. Do we really need to worry about the conference getting teams in so much? what's gonna happen ?
The issue is not is The Big East good enough etc. This is strictly a money issue.

Each team in the conference that makes the NCAA gets a  unit share of the NCAA bonus poo for the next six years. For each game won the team gets another unit  share of the bonus pool. The NCAA  unit shares last year were $280,000.  So for teams last year the total payout was 1.68 million for each game played. 

The units are spread across the teams in the conference, whether they make the tournament or not.

So the monetary is incentive is very high to have as many teams in the tournament and doing well. So by doing well our teams get higher seeding, which hopefully lead to more wins in the early rounds which means more cash in the till.

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on December 22, 2019, 02:17:54 PM
The issue is not is The Big East good enough etc. This is strictly a money issue.

Each team in the conference that makes the NCAA gets a  unit share of the NCAA bonus poo for the next six years. For each game won the team gets another unit  share of the bonus pool. The NCAA  unit shares last year were $280,000.  So for teams last year the total payout was 1.68 million for each game played. 

The units are spread across the teams in the conference, whether they make the tournament or not.

So the monetary is incentive is very high to have as many teams in the tournament and doing well. So by doing well our teams get higher seeding, which hopefully lead to more wins in the early rounds which means more cash in the till.
Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Sixteen2One on December 22, 2019, 03:22:35 PM
Is it crazy to think 9 of 10 BE schools are currently in top 40 best teams???
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 22, 2019, 04:08:41 PM
Is it crazy to think 9 of 10 BE schools are currently in top 40 best teams???

Haslametrics has 9/10 BEast teams getting a bid with current resumes
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 22, 2019, 04:18:14 PM
Seton Hall having a Maryland hangover......down 24-19 to good old Prairie View AM with a minute to go in the first half.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2019, 04:40:29 PM
X up 34 -22  at TCU 4:07 left first

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2019, 05:39:20 PM
Seton Hall comes alive second half and wins by 20

X up 56-39 at TCU 7:44 left second
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 22, 2019, 05:47:05 PM
Pomeroy puts the last few days into perspective

https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1208895373852332034?s=21
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: buckchuckler on December 22, 2019, 06:06:26 PM
10 way tie with everyone having a 9-9 record.

Do they all make the tourney?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: buckchuckler on December 22, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Sad,y there are posters on this board that think this, let alone on other boards which I would expect.

Eh.  No one with any sort of opinion worth paying attention to.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 22, 2019, 06:36:41 PM
Do they all make the tourney?

Providence would miss out. St John's & Seton Hall would be on the bubble. The rest would be safely in.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2019, 07:10:31 PM
Good quality win for X on the road over TCU
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 22, 2019, 07:11:35 PM
Providence would miss out. St John's & Seton Hall would be on the bubble. The rest would be safely in.
What's holding St. John's back that 9-9 only puts them on the bubble? Wins over UA and WVU. Vermont game hurting them?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2019, 07:36:34 PM
Do they all make the tourney?
My guess is it would come down to the composition of each teams 9-9 record. NCAA committee said last year they put high weighting on quality wins.

The beauty of the league this year is there are so many opportunities to build the resume .
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 22, 2019, 08:09:47 PM
What's holding St. John's back that 9-9 only puts them on the bubble? Wins over UA and WVU. Vermont game hurting them?

Look at the rest of their wins. That NCSOS sucks and is similar to the one that had them in the First Four a year ago.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: mubb3434 on December 22, 2019, 09:13:21 PM
Davidson and USC with nice wins this weekend. Would be nice for both of them to jump up a few spots in Kenpom/NET
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: WarhawkWarrior on December 22, 2019, 09:45:51 PM
I have the Big East at 30-15 vs power 5 Conferences.
Unprecedented.

Values = Kenpom
30 Marquette 3-2
21 Seton Hall 2-3
27 Xavier 2-2
78 Providence 1-2
83 St Johns 2-1
62 DePaul 5-0
38 Georgetown 3-1
19 Villanova 2-2
7 Butler 6-1
46 Creighton 4-1

Versus
SEC      5-3
ACC      2-3
Big 12   11-3
Pac 12   4-2
Big 10   8-5
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2019, 09:56:51 PM
Look at the rest of their wins. That NCSOS sucks and is similar to the one that had them in the First Four a year ago.
All that is taken into the NET ranking and they are ahead of us.......
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 22, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
All that is taken into the NET ranking and they are ahead of us.......

Not really, because conference play hasn't started yet. Right now, the NET takes virtually no conference data into account. Once it does, the 280-spot (give or take) difference in our NCSOS will matter.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2019, 10:17:31 PM
Not really, because conference play hasn't started yet. Right now, the NET takes virtually no conference data into account. Once it does, the 280-spot (give or take) difference in our NCSOS will matter.
Why will it matter? All teams in the conference play the exact same conference schedule.   The NCSOS is already baked into the numbers now. Last year the numbers did not materially change in conference other than through conference wins and losses.

What matters in Conference is who you beat and where you beat them.

The other factor that is very important is Q1 wins. The NCAA Chairman emphasized that last year in the interview after the selection show.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: 79Warrior on December 22, 2019, 10:24:06 PM
Sad,y there are posters on this board that think this, let alone on other boards which I would expect.

Who? I have not seen much of that on this board.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 23, 2019, 06:09:20 AM
Why will it matter? All teams in the conference play the exact same conference schedule.   The NCSOS is already baked into the numbers now. Last year the numbers did not materially change in conference other than through conference wins and losses.

You're wrong, and here's the easiest evidence I can give you. When Seton Hall beat Maryland, our NET dropped from 50 to 58. Even though we play SHU twice and that will ultimately help us, in the moment it hurt us because NET doesn't have conference play factored in.

So when Central Connecticut, Mercer, Colombia, Brown, St Peter's, & Wagner (all St John's opponents projected to finish bottom 3 in league) go get crap-kicked in conference play to weaker opponents, their NET will drop just like ours did when Maryland lost.

Yes, performing in our own league will help and the quality of Big East play on an even field will raise all ranks, but who you played matters because your ranking can be dramatically impacted by the results of those non-con performances.

If you think non-con doesn't impact this once you get to conference play, I'd refer you to last year's St John's. The Johnnies finished lower in the NET than Butler or Providence despite having a better non-con and Big East record than either of them. They also finished behind Seton Hall & Xavier despite a 1-loss Big East difference despite a 2-loss & 4-loss non-con record difference. That's because St John's played a dogcrap schedule that dragged them down once teams got into conference play.

If it was all even once conference play starts, St John's should've been ahead of all of those teams comfortably. But they schedule like crap, so there you go.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BallBoy on December 23, 2019, 10:54:04 AM
Why will it matter? All teams in the conference play the exact same conference schedule.   The NCSOS is already baked into the numbers now. Last year the numbers did not materially change in conference other than through conference wins and losses.

What matters in Conference is who you beat and where you beat them.

The other factor that is very important is Q1 wins. The NCAA Chairman emphasized that last year in the interview after the selection show.

It isn’t about who you play in conference it is about who your non-conference opponents play in conference. When the cupcakes that you feasted on get light up in conference their Net goes down causing your Net to get dragged down as well.

In non conference the cupcakes typically have harder strength of schedules as they need to play the big guys and with the buy games but that drops come conference time comes around. In their conferences they play 18 games against other mediocre teams.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: frozena pizza on December 23, 2019, 01:36:35 PM
Without doing any research I'm going to say this past weekend was the best non-conference weekend ever for the current Big East.  Thursday to Sunday the BE was 11-0 with wins over Kansas, Maryland, Purdue, Arizona, TCU, Texas, Arizona State, and Northwestern.  Great for the conference and shows that there will be no easy games this year.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 23, 2019, 03:47:42 PM
You're wrong, and here's the easiest evidence I can give you. When Seton Hall beat Maryland, our NET dropped from 50 to 58. Even though we play SHU twice and that will ultimately help us, in the moment it hurt us because NET doesn't have conference play factored in.

So when Central Connecticut, Mercer, Colombia, Brown, St Peter's, & Wagner (all St John's opponents projected to finish bottom 3 in league) go get crap-kicked in conference play to weaker opponents, their NET will drop just like ours did when Maryland lost.

Yes, performing in our own league will help and the quality of Big East play on an even field will raise all ranks, but who you played matters because your ranking can be dramatically impacted by the results of those non-con performances.

If you think non-con doesn't impact this once you get to conference play, I'd refer you to last year's St John's. The Johnnies finished lower in the NET than Butler or Providence despite having a better non-con and Big East record than either of them. They also finished behind Seton Hall & Xavier despite a 1-loss Big East difference despite a 2-loss & 4-loss non-con record difference. That's because St John's played a dogcrap schedule that dragged them down once teams got into conference play.

If it was all even once conference play starts, St John's should've been ahead of all of those teams comfortably. But they schedule like crap, so there you go.
What I am saying is the dog meat opponents are already at the bottom. They can’t get materially worse. The NET action is most prevalent in beating good opponents . That is why  when Cooley & Company beat Texas they had a huge jump up.

The reason The Johnnies NET tanked last year is because they sucked in conference and got their ass handed to them by DePaul and X twice who were two of the worst NET teams in the conference .
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 23, 2019, 03:54:11 PM
What I am saying is the dog meat opponents are already at the bottom. They can’t get materially worse. The NET action is most prevalent in beating good opponents . That is why  when Cooley & Company beat Texas they had a huge jump up.

The reason The Johnnies NET tanked last year is because they sucked in conference and got their ass handed to them by DePaul and X twice who were two of the worst NET teams in the conference .

10-8 and we are dancing?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 23, 2019, 05:23:01 PM
What I am saying is the dog meat opponents are already at the bottom.

No, what you are saying is you don't understand how the math works.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 23, 2019, 05:24:04 PM
10-8 and we are dancing?
Lead cinch lock.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 23, 2019, 06:49:13 PM
Lead cinch lock.

Absolutely
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 23, 2019, 06:58:11 PM
No, what you are saying is you don't understand how the math works.
Based on tracking it daily last year, By the end of non conference season, the NET rankings , for the most part, lock in and change is primarily from a schools individual performance . Yes there may be some variance due to non con teams  played materially changing their trajectory but that is minimal .  Also once non conference is done, everyone has locked in their quality non con wins.

The only source of quality wins then becomes intra conference, The Big East has the benefit of nearly every game being a q1 q2 (depending on how well Providence does). That is where the primary action will be.

Also just for the record , rather than making an ad hominem attack, I will just say that no one knows how the math works because it has not been published.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 23, 2019, 07:50:54 PM
Without doing any research I'm going to say this past weekend was the best non-conference weekend ever for the current Big East.  Thursday to Sunday the BE was 11-0 with wins over Kansas, Maryland, Purdue, Arizona, TCU, Texas, Arizona State, and Northwestern.  Great for the conference and shows that there will be no easy games this year.

Did about the same the weekend before.  How BE is not the #1 rated conference idk.  Did BE sweep the BE v. B12?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: bilsu on December 23, 2019, 10:13:06 PM
10-8 and we are dancing?
That would require us to sweep at least one team. I just do not see a sweep happening. There are no easy road games.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on December 23, 2019, 10:15:09 PM
That would require us to sweep at least one team. I just do not see a sweep happening. There are no easy road games.

I’d bet a lot of money that we’ll sweep at least one team. Doesn’t mean we go 10-8 or even better. But I’d be shocked if we didn’t sweep at least one team and get swept by at least one team.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 23, 2019, 11:02:13 PM
Excellent Research Report on the Big East . Chronicles each team recent performance.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-12-23/how-big-east-has-put-college-basketball-alert
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: TVDirector on December 24, 2019, 08:11:22 AM
9/10 Big East teams in AP poll as either ranked or also receiving votes. 
Early, but yowsah. 
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 24, 2019, 08:20:29 AM
Excellent Research Report on the Big East . Chronicles each team recent performance.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-12-23/how-big-east-has-put-college-basketball-alert

Impressive.  I’m prepared for scoop meltdowns, meat summit “I told you so’s”, and absolute elation during this conference season.  Will be a ton of fun.  Would take 10-8 now and a run in both tournaments.  Merry Christmas everybody!
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Zephyr820 on December 24, 2019, 08:37:43 AM
Pomeroy currently has it:

Team   
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 24, 2019, 08:41:37 AM
Impressive.  I’m prepared for scoop meltdowns, meat summit “I told you so’s”, and absolute elation during this conference season.  Will be a ton of fun.  Would take 10-8 now and a run in both tournaments.  Merry Christmas everybody!


Yup.  Bloodbath it will be.  Merry Christmas
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 24, 2019, 11:08:23 AM
Also just for the record , rather than making an ad hominem attack, I will just say that no one knows how the math works because it has not been published.

It doesn't need to be to see the trends. The NET most closely mimics kenpom. When we beat K-State, many pointed out that our kenpom ranking improved by 6, but it actually only improved by 3 from our result. The results of our non-con opponents' games were so good that our ranking went up by 3 before we stepped on the court. That's the same reason our NET can have big changes when we don't even play.

That doesn't stop when conference play starts. The equation doesn't stop running because we're playing Big East teams. After all, leagues like the ACC & Big 10 have already started conference play.

I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 24, 2019, 11:59:54 AM
It doesn't need to be to see the trends. The NET most closely mimics kenpom. When we beat K-State, many pointed out that our kenpom ranking improved by 6, but it actually only improved by 3 from our result. The results of our non-con opponents' games were so good that our ranking went up by 3 before we stepped on the court. That's the same reason our NET can have big changes when we don't even play.

That doesn't stop when conference play starts. The equation doesn't stop running because we're playing Big East teams. After all, leagues like the ACC & Big 10 have already started conference play.

I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.

Agree.  RPI Forecast used to have a cool aspect on their website that showed the weighting of your score based on what every team you played did, and what their opponents did.  And what their opponents' opponents did.  Someday someone will do that for the NET.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Marquette.html    Scroll to bottom

Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 24, 2019, 05:16:59 PM
It doesn't need to be to see the trends. The NET most closely mimics kenpom. When we beat K-State, many pointed out that our kenpom ranking improved by 6, but it actually only improved by 3 from our result. The results of our non-con opponents' games were so good that our ranking went up by 3 before we stepped on the court. That's the same reason our NET can have big changes when we don't even play.

That doesn't stop when conference play starts. The equation doesn't stop running because we're playing Big East teams. After all, leagues like the ACC & Big 10 have already started conference play.

I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.
NET rankings are their own model . You have your interpretation of the rankings trends. My interpretation of the trends are  different.

We will see how the final NET rankings work out.

The good news is everyone in the league,except Providence is starting out with a decent NET going into conference play. So the opportunity to pick up Q1 wins is going to be available.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 24, 2019, 08:46:30 PM
NET rankings are their own model . You have your interpretation of the rankings trends. My interpretation of the trends are  different.

We will see how the final NET rankings work out.

We don't have to. Like I said, look at St John's last year. Look at our change after the Maryland loss. It's not an interpretation of trends. It's looking at data that's already there.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on December 24, 2019, 08:50:57 PM
We don't have to. Like I said, look at St John's last year. Look at our change after the Maryland loss. It's not an interpretation of trends. It's looking at data that's already there.
Don't waste your time Brew not worth it.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: fjm on December 24, 2019, 10:18:56 PM
“Interpretation” is not how math works.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2019, 09:53:43 AM
Ewing and Associates, MU, Butler and Creighton all with cupcakes on the schedule today.  Winning is always good, helps momentum and builds optics. Also, it is nice to have a tune up before conference play.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Nukem2 on December 28, 2019, 10:09:24 AM
Ewing and Associates, MU, Butler and Creighton all with cupcakes on the schedule today.  Winning is always good, helps momentum and builds optics. Also, it is nice to have a tune up before conference play.
Mostly a tuneup after the Christmas  week.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 28, 2019, 11:40:18 AM
American has made a comeback to lead Georgetown late in the 1st half.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 11:54:53 AM
Pomeroy is projecting UW-madison and K-State to have losing records for the year....K-state dead last at the moment.  Need these guys to help us a bit down the road.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 28, 2019, 12:38:04 PM
Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jockey on December 28, 2019, 12:40:45 PM



I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.


Do you do it for fun or for gambling purposes?

Or both?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2019, 12:50:41 PM
Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.

Pomeroy has us projected to lose by 1 at Creighton, and win by 3 at home against Nova.  Hard to project this team...we have only one Top 50 win, and we will face a lot of Top 50 games in Big East.   #crapshoot
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2019, 01:03:43 PM
Solid 20 point win for Ewing and Associates .
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 01:33:47 PM
Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.

1-3 also very possible
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 28, 2019, 01:41:02 PM
Not sure if ya'll are aware but the BE is very deep and even this year.

Every game is a possible win or loss.

So why stop at the first 2 or 4?
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 28, 2019, 02:06:06 PM

Do you do it for fun or for gambling purposes?

Or both?

For the Cracked Sidewalks bracket articles.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on December 28, 2019, 02:26:57 PM
Pomeroy is projecting UW-madison and K-State to have losing records for the year....K-state dead last at the moment.  Need these guys to help us a bit down the road.

Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 28, 2019, 02:30:07 PM
Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols

Vols have looked terrible. So many unforced turnovers.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 28, 2019, 02:30:20 PM
Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols

Vols just lost their best player for the season last weekend,  Lamonte Bearden
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on December 28, 2019, 02:34:32 PM
Vols just lost their best player for the season last weekend,  Lamonte Bearden Turner

FIFY

Neither WI nor TN are BE teams.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on December 28, 2019, 02:37:03 PM
Vols just lost their best player for the season last weekend,  Lamonte Bearden

Turner (Bearden's real name) has been one of the worst shooters in all of college basketball. Just brutal.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 28, 2019, 02:37:35 PM
FIFY

Neither WI nor TN are BE teams.

I knew I was going to make that mistake and I still did.  My bad
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 28, 2019, 02:39:57 PM
Turner (Bearden's real name) has been one of the worst shooters in all of college basketball. Just brutal.

He was also their main facilitator on offense, even with the bad shooting.  He’s a big loss for them at the moment
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 04:37:11 PM
Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols

I told my son before the game today UW-madison wins by at least 8....Tennessee lost a MAJOR player for the year earlier this week.  With UW's  defense, that's tough to come out of for UT until they have gone some time playing with the replacement.  UT will need to get up to speed quickly if they want to remain in it due to the PG injury they had. 

Guard's game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: BLM on December 28, 2019, 04:38:22 PM
I told my son before the game today UW-madison wins by at least 8....Tennessee lost a MAJOR player for the year earlier this week.  With UW's  defense, that's tough to come out of for UT until they have gone some time playing with the replacement.  UT will need to get up to speed quickly if they want to remain in it due to the PG injury they had. 

Guard's game.

MUScoop’s resident shark does it again.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2019, 04:58:17 PM
Solid 31 point cupcake win for Butler over Louisiana- Monroe. Derrick Smits back in the line up with 16 points in 12 minutes.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.

Also a very real chance we are 2-0.

Or 1-1.

But I know what you're saying ... we certainly could start 0-2 with those 2 tough games. So it's a good thing that there will be 16 more regular-season conference games to go after those 2.

Another good thing: Everybody will stay nice and calm, knowing that it's a long season, and peace will reign over all of ScoopLand.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2019, 06:46:49 PM
Creighton wins the final cupcake of the day. Doesn't count in NET etc because it was against an NAIA team. Nova has two  non con games later this year against U Conn and Temple. Should be opportunity to put Quality Wins on the board.

This thread being is now being renamed Big East Conference Results.

Looking forward to a great conference season. First two games on Monday :  X at Nova and Seton Hall at DePaul.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 28, 2019, 07:02:01 PM
MUScoop’s resident shark does it again.

Yep. Another spot on prediction/analysis shared with the Scoop community after the fact. How does he do it?

BTW, told my granddaughter this morning that LSU would rout Oklahoma by 35. Burrow just too good - QB’s game.

Gave her my insight on Clemson vs OSU, too. I’ll publish the lowdown 4 hours from now.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2019, 07:33:21 PM
Mac McClung injured. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/28/mac-mcclung-injured-georgetown-basketball-win-over-american-u/
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 28, 2019, 08:04:42 PM
MUScoop’s resident shark does it again.

examples after examples where I gave you clear wins days, even weeks before the games even played....but of course you ignore all those....Cowboys, Patriots, Wisconsin football, Minnesota football, and on and on....but of course...it's what you do, P.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2019, 08:26:10 PM
Excellent Research Report on early success of The Johnnies New Coach

https://nypost.com/2019/12/22/mike-anderson-gives-surprising-st-johns-everything-it-lacked/h
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2019, 02:06:25 PM
Selected Research Reports on Mondays games:

Seton Hall at DePaul
X at Nova

https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/12/shorthanded-seton-hall-opens-big-east-play-with-tough-matchup.html

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2019/12/28/how-watch-listen-and-storylines-xavier-no-10-villanova/2748613001/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: cheebs09 on December 29, 2019, 06:50:03 PM
Powell will be back Friday according to Willard. I thought the initial prognosis was longer.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2019, 07:19:19 PM
Powell will be back Friday according to Willard. I thought the initial prognosis was longer.
Friday for sure, possibly some minutes against DePaul
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/29/seton-hall-basketball-myles-powell-depaul/2768797001/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2019, 12:03:01 PM
DePaul Student Newspaper solid research report on eve of their conference opener versus The Hall.

https://depauliaonline.com/45121/sports/column-as-depaul-gets-ready-to-begin-conference-play-its-time-they-start-thinking-big/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 30, 2019, 12:12:23 PM
DePaul Student Newspaper solid research report on eve of their conference opener versus The Hall.

https://depauliaonline.com/45121/sports/column-as-depaul-gets-ready-to-begin-conference-play-its-time-they-start-thinking-big/

They keep referring to it just being a rough decade. By my count they've had one "meh I guess it wasn't horrible" season since 2004.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 06:54:32 PM
Nova up 7 on Xavier with about 12 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2019, 07:09:24 PM
52-45 Nova 7:47 left. Game on campus at Nova.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 30, 2019, 07:21:09 PM
Powell will be back Friday according to Willard. I thought the initial prognosis was longer.

I swear it’s like the boy who cried wolf with this kid.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 07:48:12 PM
Nova all alone in first place....holding serve on home court will be the name of the game this entire Big East season.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on December 30, 2019, 08:06:09 PM
I swear it’s like the boy who cried wolf with this kid.

That's a Willard issue. Powell isn't the one giving inaccurate timelines.

It also was just a concussion. It didn't make sense that he'd be out long term.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2019, 08:28:44 PM
That's a Willard issue. Powell isn't the one giving inaccurate timelines.

It also was just a concussion. It didn't make sense that he'd be out long term.
I listened to the pre game on the radio with Willard. He said Powell was cleared on the 23rd. However he had only worked out with the team  the last two days essentially out for two weeks and needs to regain his conditioning. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 30, 2019, 08:29:39 PM
Powell playing and chucking now.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2019, 08:39:00 PM
DePaul up 6 at the half. Hard to tell from the camera angle, but looks like many of the lower level seats are filled, so maybe 3,500-4,000 attendance. For DePaul that is a lot.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 30, 2019, 08:44:39 PM
DePaul up 6 at the half. Hard to tell from the camera angle, but looks like many of the lower level seats are filled, so maybe 3,500-4,000 attendance. For DePaul that is a lot.
I actually see people in the upper deck behind the basket. I would guess more.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 30, 2019, 08:49:25 PM
I actually see people in the upper deck behind the basket. I would guess more.

My understanding is that's where their student section is
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2019, 09:31:47 PM
Gage, coming back from injury, having a nice night for DePaul . That added depth really helps in these tough battles.

Tied 64-64  3:31 left
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 30, 2019, 09:41:04 PM
DePaul keeps hoisting up dopey shots.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on December 30, 2019, 09:43:02 PM
Gage, coming back from injury, having a nice night for DePaul . That added depth really helps in these tough battles.

Tied 64-64  3:31 left

He is not good
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 30, 2019, 09:46:03 PM
De Paul totally falls apart. Some things just don’t change..
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 30, 2019, 09:48:02 PM
Choked
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2019, 09:48:59 PM
Tough loss for DePaul.

Myles Powell solid performance with 27 points. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 30, 2019, 09:50:23 PM
#sleepinggiant
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 30, 2019, 09:53:16 PM
De Paul totally falls apart. Some things just don’t change..

This.

The better, more battle-tested, savvier, better-coached team won.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BCHoopster on December 30, 2019, 09:55:25 PM
MU will need Koby to play against Powell, Torrence would get torched.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 30, 2019, 10:05:14 PM
This.

The better, more battle-tested, savvier, better-coached team won.
You know what? DePaul may have worked themselves into a top 50-60 program in the country but still may finish last in the Big East.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 30, 2019, 10:12:15 PM
MU will need Koby to play against Powell, Torrence would get torched.

It would never be Symir on Powell anyways.

Sacar or Koby will always have the assignment.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 30, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
You know what? DePaul may have worked themselves into a top 50-60 program in the country but still may finish last in the Big East.

Two words - Saint Johns.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on December 30, 2019, 10:20:01 PM
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
11:27 30Dec19

The Big East will enter tonight's conference openers with a combined record of 101-25.

Nine teams received votes in this week's AP Top 25 poll.

Best league in the sport.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 30, 2019, 10:22:39 PM
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
11:27 30Dec19

The Big East will enter tonight's conference openers with a combined record of 101-25.

Nine teams received votes in this week's AP Top 25 poll.

Best league in the sport.
TRUTH
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 30, 2019, 11:00:57 PM
It would never be Symir on Powell anyways.

Sacar or Koby will always have the assignment.

Theo will be guarding Powell. Hello, eighth row.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 30, 2019, 11:05:31 PM
De Paul totally falls apart. Some things just don’t change..

They have to learn to win these types of games, which they will this year.  Naive to think things haven't changed with them.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 30, 2019, 11:50:19 PM
Theo will be guarding Powell. Hello, eighth row.

Sadly Theo got tossed the last time Powell went at him
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 12:49:24 AM
The Hall is a very good team when Powell and Mamu are healthy  . The good news for them, is when they have been out the rest of the team has been able to gain some confidence. 

Powell demonstrated why he is an All American type player tonight. Took over the game when it mattered.  If Mamu comes back The Hall may be peaking when it really matters.

DePaul learned how to win these kind of games in non conference. They also moved the ball more around more . They will eventually learn what they need to do in conference where literally every possession matters.

Season started off well tonight for Nova. They have a great system with talented players  who understand how to play in the system. X showed some tenacity and kept fighting back , but it is hard when they don't have a meaningful 3 point capability.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CTWarrior on December 31, 2019, 06:58:29 AM
The Hall is a very good team when Powell and Mamu are healthy  . The good news for them, is when they have been out the rest of the team has been able to gain some confidence. 

Powell demonstrated why he is an All American type player tonight. Took over the game when it mattered.  If Mamu comes back The Hall may be peaking when it really matters.

DePaul learned how to win these kind of games in non conference. They also moved the ball more around more . They will eventually learn what they need to do in conference where literally every possession matters.

Season started off well tonight for Nova. They have a great system with talented players  who understand how to play in the system. X showed some tenacity and kept fighting back , but it is hard when they don't have a meaningful 3 point capability.
Reed is a heck of a player.  DePaul stopped going inside at crunch time and really ran bad offense the last couple minutes at winning time, whereas Seton Hall got good looks every time.  I thought DePaul might run them out of the building at a few points in the first half.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 31, 2019, 07:03:50 AM
It would never be Symir on Powell anyways.

Sacar or Koby will always have the assignment.
And/or Greg
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Skatastrophy on December 31, 2019, 09:54:47 AM
That was the best DePaul game I've been to, really excited for their team if the fans keep showing up like that. Awesome atmosphere last night.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 31, 2019, 10:27:26 AM
The Hall is a very good team when Powell and Mamu are healthy  . The good news for them, is when they have been out the rest of the team has been able to gain some confidence. 

Powell demonstrated why he is an All American type player tonight. Took over the game when it mattered.  If Mamu comes back The Hall may be peaking when it really matters.

6-3 record with both those guys playing this year and best win was.........Saint Louis(?) during that stretch.

Based on evidence, "very good" would not be accurate.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 31, 2019, 10:42:22 AM
6-3 record with both those guys playing this year and best win was.........Saint Louis(?) during that stretch.

Based on evidence, "very good" would not be accurate.

Might be a "Mad Men" thing.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 31, 2019, 10:50:32 AM
6-3 record with both those guys playing this year and best win was.........Saint Louis(?) during that stretch.

Based on evidence, "very good" would not be accurate.

Bodes well for MU then...we shouldn't have a problem with Hall this year. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WarriorDad on December 31, 2019, 11:41:37 AM
6-3 record with both those guys playing this year and best win was.........Saint Louis(?) during that stretch.

Based on evidence, "very good" would not be accurate.

Two of those losses are to Michigan State and Oregon by a combined 5 points.  Cannot look at wins only, but how they played in losses, too.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 31, 2019, 11:43:25 AM
6-3 record with both those guys playing this year and best win was.........Saint Louis(?) during that stretch.

Based on evidence, "very good" would not be accurate.

And the new wave of enthusiasm is for a win over DePaul.

Their Maryland win was impressive, but their next best efforts have been losses and their next best wins are kind of meh.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Silent Verbal on December 31, 2019, 01:46:05 PM
And the new wave of enthusiasm is for a win over DePaul.

If MU had won at DePaul last night, people on here would be talking all about how hard it is to get road wins in the Big East, and how impressive it was that MU got the job done against what had been a hot Blue Demons team to start the year.  I don’t think it’s fair to pooh pooh Seton Hall for doing just that.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 01:49:20 PM
If MU had won at DePaul last night, people on here would be talking all about how hard it is to get road wins in the Big East, and how impressive it was that MU got the job done against what had been a hot Blue Demons team to start the year.  I don’t think it’s fair to pooh pooh Seton Hall for doing just that.

Yuppers!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on December 31, 2019, 02:10:28 PM
If MU had won at DePaul last night, people on here would be talking all about how hard it is to get road wins in the Big East, and how impressive it was that MU got the job done against what had been a hot Blue Demons team to start the year.  I don’t think it’s fair to pooh pooh Seton Hall for doing just that.

"Beating DePaul" and "impressive" are words that haven't been put together in Marquette conversation since Quentin Richardson went pro.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 31, 2019, 02:14:14 PM
"Beating DePaul" and "impressive" are words that haven't been put together in Marquette conversation since Quentin Richardson went pro.

Come on there's a good two years in there where it was a good win to impressive
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 31, 2019, 02:25:26 PM
Any win is a good win (unless a player suffers a catastrophic injury or something).

Any road win is a really good win.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 31, 2019, 03:08:58 PM
And the new wave of enthusiasm is for a win over DePaul.

Their Maryland win was impressive, but their next best efforts have been losses and their next best wins are kind of meh.

Not sure we are in any position to "meh" Hall's resume.

Our best wins are over an inflated Purdue (12) and USC (69).  We got hammered by (8) Maryland, and (35) Wisconsin.

Seton Hall has wins over (8) Maryland, and (43) Iowa State.  They have loses to (5) Michigan State and (10) Oregon by a combined 5 points.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 31, 2019, 03:27:20 PM
The beautiful thing is that we are about to start finding out soon how good or bad or mediocre we and all the other BEast teams are, at least compared to one another.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on December 31, 2019, 03:43:49 PM
Not sure we are in any position to "meh" Hall's resume.

Our best wins are over an inflated Purdue (12) and USC (69).  We got hammered by (8) Maryland, and (35) Wisconsin.

Seton Hall has wins over (8) Maryland, and (43) Iowa State.  They have loses to (5) Michigan State and (10) Oregon by a combined 5 points.

Sure, and if that was the whole resume I'd agree with you. But they also have two additional losses to ISU and Rutgers
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 31, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
No McClung for Gtown today.

Basically have 6 guys. And one of them has two fouls already
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 04:41:25 PM
Cooley & Company up 12-0 at home over Ewing and Associates. 16:00 left first.

As pointed out no McClung for Georgetown.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: cheebs09 on December 31, 2019, 05:00:18 PM
No McClung for Gtown today.

Basically have 6 guys. And one of them has two fouls already

Is it due to injury or off-court issue?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2019, 05:01:15 PM
Every game for Marquette in Conference feels like a tossup this year.  Buckle up and enjoy the ride.  Expect some turbulence, occasional euphoria but mostly, relax or eat Arby’s.  It’s up to you
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 05:04:12 PM
Is it due to injury or off-court issue?
Some one poked him in the eye last game.

Cooley & Company 32 Ewing  & Associates 10 7:37 left
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 05:13:49 PM
Cooley & Company 43 Ewing & Associates 15 4:00 left first


 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on December 31, 2019, 05:16:52 PM
When George Muresan (senior, 4 pts in his career) comes in three minutes into the first half, there's no bench left.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 31, 2019, 05:22:55 PM
Hoyas miss Mcclung no doubt but Providence has 54 in the first half.......Friars look like they might have righted the ship on the offensive end in the Texas game.

Every win will be big  in the BE this season.

I will appreciate every one we earn

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 05:25:19 PM
Cooley & Company 54 Ewing & Associates 23 half

AJ Reeves did well regaining his confidence.

Very Loud home crowd
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 05:28:47 PM
Excellent NY Post Research Report On The Johnnies. They are getting a lot of positive local press.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/30/mike-anderson-believes-st-johns-can-play-at-another-level/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2019, 05:42:04 PM
Excellent NY Post Research Report On The Johnnies. They are getting a lot of positive local press.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/30/mike-anderson-believes-st-johns-can-play-at-another-level/

Good.  I don’t necessarily believe St. John’s has to be good for the Big East to be good but it doesn’t hurt. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 05:47:51 PM
Ewing & Asscoiates rally , now down by 20 now to Cooley & Company 15:41 left game
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 31, 2019, 06:07:50 PM
Friars offense looks broken again and Hoyas have woken up......down to a 16 point game from 33. Do they have enough time?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 06:22:24 PM
Friars offense looks broken again and Hoyas have woken up......down to a 16 point game from 33. Do they have enough time?
I enjoy listening to Ewings huddles when he is chewing out his team.  There was one a few years ago  that went viral.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 31, 2019, 06:39:12 PM
Friars offense looks broken again and Hoyas have woken up......down to a 16 point game from 33. Do they have enough time?

No.  ;D
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 31, 2019, 07:30:04 PM
Seton Hall has wins over (8) Maryland, and (43) Iowa State.  They have loses to (5) Michigan State and (10) Oregon by a combined 5 points.

I guess when you ignore half their losses their resume really does look better.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 31, 2019, 07:34:17 PM
Friars offense looks broken again and Hoyas have woken up......down to a 16 point game from 33. Do they have enough time?

Home cookin.

Seton hall had to earn that road win over DePaul last night
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 31, 2019, 07:41:00 PM
The big ten(12j has 11 top 50 teams, followed by the big east and one other (forget which one) have 6-gonna be a lot of teeth grinding ups and downs this year
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 07:56:57 PM
Butler up 44-25 over The Johnnies 16:00 left second

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 31, 2019, 08:14:42 PM
Now it’s 3.......crazy
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 08:16:15 PM
Johnnie crowd into the game . Going to be fun down the stretch
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Carl on December 31, 2019, 08:16:38 PM
Butler - St Johns is a very entertaining game.  Note to self, don't take the foot off the pedal against the Johnnies!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 31, 2019, 08:22:48 PM
17-0 run. Wow.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 31, 2019, 08:23:25 PM
Not sure we are in any position to "meh" Hall's resume.

Our best wins are over an inflated Purdue (12) and USC (69).  We got hammered by (8) Maryland, and (35) Wisconsin.

Seton Hall has wins over (8) Maryland, and (43) Iowa State.  They have loses to (5) Michigan State and (10) Oregon by a combined 5 points.

Their second best win in your eyes just lost to Florida A&M. Bummer.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 08:23:30 PM
Tied 7:06 left
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Carl on December 31, 2019, 08:26:21 PM
I'm conflicted here.  Half way rooting for St Johns to finish off a great comeback, but would it be better for MU for Butler to keep climbing the rankings? I know it's too early for a definitive answer there, probably doesn't matter much either way.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on December 31, 2019, 08:26:55 PM
What this Butler-SJU game is showing everyone, is just how truly overrated Butler is. They have been doing it with smoke and mirrors. Remember, this is the same Butler team that was picked 8th in the BE by the Coaches. THIS is who they really are. This isn't about how good SJU is(they aren't), it's about how not good Butler is.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 31, 2019, 08:33:58 PM
Their second best win in your eyes just lost to Florida A&M. Bummer.
Upset of the year. Iowa State was a 25 point favorite.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on December 31, 2019, 08:34:24 PM
What this Butler-SJU game is showing everyone, is just how truly overrated Butler is. They have been doing it with smoke and mirrors. Remember, this is the same Butler team that was picked 8th in the BE by the Coaches. THIS is who they really are. This isn't about how good SJU is(they aren't), it's about how not good Butler is.

Really, that’s what it says?

Could it also say that winning on the road is hard in this league?  Butler has some solid wins this year, so I am not sure where you get the overrated stuff from. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 31, 2019, 08:35:35 PM
SJ can turn you over (23 times tonight)

They will be a tough out....’just like every other team in the Big East.

Butler Was a top 10 pomeroy team going into this game.......they weren’t overrated.

What this game shows is that it’s tough to win on the road in conference play.....and that you need to play well or you will be in a dog fight.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 31, 2019, 08:36:09 PM
What this Butler-SJU game is showing everyone, is just how truly overrated Butler is. They have been doing it with smoke and mirrors. Remember, this is the same Butler team that was picked 8th in the BE by the Coaches. THIS is who they really are. This isn't about how good SJU is(they aren't), it's about how not good Butler is.
What Butler has done this year and only loss is the final play of the game at Baylor. Butler is underrated. Should be ranked in the Top 10.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 31, 2019, 08:41:39 PM
What a great game......I’m exhausted just watching it.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on December 31, 2019, 08:42:02 PM
Upset of the year. Iowa State was a 25 point favorite.

There have been 4 games so far this season where a team favored by 25 or more, lost.

Florida A&M had previously gone 0-72 vs major conference teams the past twenty years.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Carl on December 31, 2019, 08:44:45 PM
Really unprepared for that last possession
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 08:45:04 PM
Wow what a game, Butler showed a lot by getting it done at the end.

Good win for Butler and also The Johnnies showed a lot

Super fun league this year


Looking forward to the New Year
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 31, 2019, 08:46:06 PM
Gutty win by Butler after blowing that big lead.........Butler was 23rd in the country in offensive turnover percentage......St Johns was 30th in forcing turnovers.......tonight SJ defense won that battle.....and it almost got them a win.

Fun game
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on December 31, 2019, 09:06:28 PM
https://twitter.com/sethonhoops/status/1212206170775150594?s=21
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/12/31/st-johns-blows-chance-at-upset-in-crushing-loss-to-butler/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 31, 2019, 09:14:12 PM
https://twitter.com/sethonhoops/status/1212206170775150594?s=21

Thanks, good to know someone is paying attention and hopefully creating more media focus on the BE.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on December 31, 2019, 09:15:37 PM
Really, that’s what it says?

Could it also say that winning on the road is hard in this league?  Butler has some solid wins this year, so I am not sure where you get the overrated stuff from.

Ask the BE Coaches, who it seems in most years have been pretty accurate in predicting where teams will finish. This Butler team was picked to finish 8th..did the Coaches miss by THAT much you think??
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 31, 2019, 09:30:38 PM
Thanks, good to know someone is paying attention and hopefully creating more media focus on the BE.
It was stated in November from him how good the Big East is on ESPN. Glad he is still saying it.

Jon Rothstein had one pimping the Big East the other day as the best conference.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 31, 2019, 09:41:41 PM
Really unprepared for that last possession

Where the hell was Dunn going? Casually dribbles out to midcourt with team down 2 and just a few seconds left.

St John's still had a time-out. I guess Anderson was saving it for next game.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Silent Verbal on December 31, 2019, 10:01:44 PM
I guess when you ignore half their losses their resume really does look better.

Seton Hall is overrated and DePaul sucks because DePaul.  Got it.  If Marquette goes 4-0 against those teams in conference play, I’ll expect no hubris from you, no slurpery whatsoever.  Anything more than a shrug of the shoulders should be deemed hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 31, 2019, 11:50:43 PM
It was stated in November from him how good the Big East is on ESPN. Glad he is still saying it.

Jon Rothstein had one pimping the Big East the other day as the best conference.

Yeah, I caught the one in November by Seth, but missed any others. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 01, 2020, 06:57:00 AM
Seton Hall is overrated and DePaul sucks because DePaul.  Got it.  If Marquette goes 4-0 against those teams in conference play, I’ll expect no hubris from you, no slurpery whatsoever.  Anything more than a shrug of the shoulders should be deemed hypocrisy.

Seton Hall is the same as last year. A decent team that can play with the big boys when Powell is on, but ultimately a middle of the league team. DePaul is improved, but not to the point where you stake your pride for the season on it.

Beating DePaul is a nice win, but it certainly doesn't validate the preposterous Seton Hall preseason love fest, which was basically what GA was pointing out.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on January 01, 2020, 07:38:47 AM
I hope MU sees this...The best back court in the conference?? You sure Jon??

Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
·
1h
The Big East is the best conference in college basketball and the league's best back court resides in Omaha.

If you don't know about Creighton's perimeter, you will soon.

Jays host Marquette in their Big East opener.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 01, 2020, 11:39:01 AM
Their second best win in your eyes just lost to Florida A&M. Bummer.

Welp...Iowa State is still a better win than our second best win.  Bummer. 

Think it is silly to diss Seton Hall, when our MU team is largely untested.  Our resume is pretty thin at this point.  1-2 against Top 50 teams.

Seton Hall is the same as last year. A decent team that can play with the big boys when Powell is on, but ultimately a middle of the league team. DePaul is improved, but not to the point where you stake your pride for the season on it.

Beating DePaul is a nice win, but it certainly doesn't validate the preposterous Seton Hall preseason love fest, which was basically what GA was pointing out.

Sure.  You could say the same about Marquette.  When our all-time leading scorer and our soon to be two-time All-American is off, we are middle of the league team at best.  Not sure anyone was suggesting Seton Hall was "staking their pride for the season" on beating DePaul?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 01, 2020, 11:42:59 AM
Not sure why an honest assessment of Seton Hall has to be accompanied by a comparison to Marquette's accomplishments.  Brew never made the comparison in the first place.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 01, 2020, 11:58:18 AM
Not sure why an honest assessment of Seton Hall has to be accompanied by a comparison to Marquette's accomplishments.  Brew never made the comparison in the first place.

It’s a chance for Ners to dunk on Wojo. It’s what he does. Can’t pass up an opportunity no matter how irrational it is.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2020, 12:31:10 PM
Upset of the year. Iowa State was a 25 point favorite.

Doesn’t excuse losing to Florida A&M but ISU was without Halliburton
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 01, 2020, 12:47:52 PM
Doesn’t excuse losing to Florida A&M but ISU was without Halliburton
That is still pretty bad. Iowa State was up by 9 points at halftime.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 01, 2020, 01:00:44 PM
That is still pretty bad. Iowa State was up by 9 points at halftime.
The silver lining in the cloud is that right now Florida A and M has best NET ranking in the MEAC(235), if they are able to win their league in dominating fashion  it is could be possible that they may move up to a Q3 win for The Hall, Kansas State and USC.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 01, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
Some interesting quotes from Willard in this research report.

https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/30/seton-hall-depaul-basketball/2768811001/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 01, 2020, 04:24:41 PM
Not sure why an honest assessment of Seton Hall has to be accompanied by a comparison to Marquette's accomplishments.  Brew never made the comparison in the first place.

Other than the fact we are a Marquette message board, and play in the same conference as Seton Hall - yea, there's no point in contrasting MU to Seton Hall. 

It’s a chance for Ners to dunk on Wojo. It’s what he does. Can’t pass up an opportunity no matter how irrational it is.

I'm not "dunking on Wojo."  Stop being so sensitive.  What's "irrational" about pointing out the facts between Seton Hall and MU's performance?  Hall/Willard have outperformed MU since Wojo took over. Is what it is.  Hopefully we once again begin to dominate them as we did under Buzz.   

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 01, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
Other than the fact we are a Marquette message board, and play in the same conference as Seton Hall - yea, there's no point in contrasting MU to Seton Hall. 

I'm not "dunking on Wojo."  Stop being so sensitive.  What's "irrational" about pointing out the facts between Seton Hall and MU's performance?  Hall/Willard have outperformed MU since Wojo took over. Is what it is.  Hopefully we once again begin to dominate them as we did under Buzz.

Nobody was talking about Marquette’s resume or claiming Marquette is better positioned, has better wins or better losses, etc. Until you decided to jump in with your faux outrage. And now you’re (SHOCKINGLY) turning it into Buzz vs. Wojo. Great! You’ve never done that before!

Sounds like a guy who’s not desperately trying to dunk on Wojo like you do all the poor souls at the Y and the Rec back in the day. My apologies, I was wrong.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 01, 2020, 05:09:46 PM
I hope MU sees this...The best back court in the conference?? You sure Jon??

Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
·
1h
The Big East is the best conference in college basketball and the league's best back court resides in Omaha.

If you don't know about Creighton's perimeter, you will soon.

Jays host Marquette in their Big East opener.

Creighton??  Mr rothstein sounds like skippy clueless.  Not only are his home team colors showing, but his ignorance or clickbait comment about big East being the best conference?  I’d love for that to be a fact but the big 10 has 11 teams in the top 50.  Big East has 6 I believe.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 01, 2020, 05:13:53 PM
Creighton??  Mr rothstein sounds like skippy clueless.  Not only are his home team colors showing, but his ignorance or clickbait comment about big East being the best conference?  I’d love for that to be a fact but the big 10 has 11 teams in the top 50.  Big East has 6 I believe.

The big 10 also has a couple absolute trainwrecks.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 01, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
The big 10 also has a couple absolute trainwrecks.

Bucky is probably a caboose in their own league
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on January 01, 2020, 05:16:55 PM
Other than the fact we are a Marquette message board, and play in the same conference as Seton Hall - yea, there's no point in contrasting MU to Seton Hall. 

I'm not "dunking on Wojo."  Stop being so sensitive.  What's "irrational" about pointing out the facts between Seton Hall and MU's performance?  Hall/Willard have outperformed MU since Wojo took over. Is what it is.  Hopefully we once again begin to dominate them as we did under Buzz.

Ners...Houston still going well?

Seton Hall when Willard took over he went to one NIT and no ncaas in hist first five years.  Now four straight ncaas...they were patient with hi despite fan cries...this is why if you believe in coaches, stick with them.  Buzz went up against a different Seton Hall program than Wojo has.  Just as the DePaul program is about to be much different than the one Crean and Buzz faced. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Sixteen2One on January 01, 2020, 05:57:04 PM
I hope MU sees this...The best back court in the conference?? You sure Jon??

Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
·
1h
The Big East is the best conference in college basketball and the league's best back court resides in Omaha.

If you don't know about Creighton's perimeter, you will soon.

Jays host Marquette in their Big East opener.

I think Zegarowski has a outside chance at BE POY. He has really came into his own this year.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 01, 2020, 06:14:43 PM
It’s a chance for Ners to dunk on Wojo. It’s what he does. Can’t pass up an opportunity no matter how irrational it is.

I didn't know elonmusk was Ners. Now I understand the fanboy act. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 01, 2020, 06:46:01 PM
Zegarowski is really good and Alexander was already a stud last year. We have the most quality depth, Xavier & Seton Hall would probably make arguments for themselves, but as far as a starting pair, I might agree with Rothstein.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2020, 07:12:47 AM
https://marquettewire.org/4023868/sports/unprecedented-depth-across-big-east-offers-opportunity-risk-for-golden-eagles/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2020, 11:23:07 PM
https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/1/2/21046355/villanova-basketball-arizin-news-wildcats-marquette
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 02:26:59 PM
Ewing & Associates facing The Hall tonight

https://nypost.com/2020/01/02/what-seton-halls-myles-powell-learned-during-concussion-recovery/

https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2020/1/3/21048178/georgetown-seton-hall-time-tv-streaming-preview
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 09:01:35 PM
Seton Hall up 40-22 at home against Ewing & Associates. 2:00 left first
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 09:08:54 PM
The Hall 41-24 over Ewing & Associates at Home.  Loud crowd . Lower bowl looks full there. Can't tell if they closed off the upper.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 09:43:45 PM
The Hall 56 Ewing & Associates 39 11:35 left second
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 09:54:10 PM
The Hall 61 Ewing & Associates 50.  8:19 left second

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 09:59:27 PM
Powell doing his thing. The Hall 71 Ewing & Associates 50 5:46 left.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 10:04:45 PM
The Hall 73-54 3:19 left
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 03, 2020, 10:10:07 PM
Seton Hall fighting with Georgetown. Talking trash. Little pushing. I thought Powell wanted to punch McClung.  Powell was never part of it.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 10:13:11 PM
Skirmish on the court a little shoving etc.  4 players  Ewing & Associates . 2 players The Hall ejected. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 03, 2020, 10:18:40 PM
I’m shocked there was a skirmish in a game involving Seton Hall.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 10:21:51 PM
The Hall wins by 16.

Seton Hall are a team of low class punks.

Can't wait for our game against those jerks.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 10:30:44 PM
Lavin pointing out that Willard is the architect of The Halls propensity  for irritating behavior. Of course he presented it as a compliment.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2020, 09:27:14 AM
Will be interesting to see if the fans return today at DePaul in their game versus Cooley & Company.  They reported  6364 at last game, which is a big number for them.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 04, 2020, 10:31:44 AM
The Hall wins by 16.

Seton Hall are a team of low class punks.

Can't wait for our game against those jerks.

I’m not. @Seton Hall is going to be rough. That is a top 5-8 team with Mamu. Theyre really good and we don’t seem to respond well to that sort of toughness in recent years.

Rooting for Creighton today. That’s a legit top 20 team and I want them to get there. It’s a joke only 2 BE teams ranked when it’s definitely top to bottom best conference this season. A Creighton win today should shoot them up. I know rankings don’t matter, but it’s still nice to see.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2020, 11:24:30 AM
I’m not. @Seton Hall is going to be rough. That is a top 5-8 team with Mamu. Theyre really good and we don’t seem to respond well to that sort of toughness in recent years.

Rooting for Creighton today. That’s a legit top 20 team and I want them to get there. It’s a joke only 2 BE teams ranked when it’s definitely top to bottom best conference this season. A Creighton win today should shoot them up. I know rankings don’t matter, but it’s still nice to see.
Derek Smits is doing well so far in the early going. Butler up 16-12.  9:29 left first
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2020, 11:48:31 AM
Butler 34 Creighton 24 half. Loud environment at Butler.

Kamar Baldwin in a bad multi game slump. 0-9 so far today.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2020, 12:46:21 PM
Butler up 9 4:52 left. Creighton putting up a spirited battle on the road.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2020, 01:00:13 PM
Good win for Butler. Ran away at the end. Kamar worked his way out of slump in second half with 20 points.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on January 04, 2020, 01:07:34 PM
Kamar worked his way out of slump in second half with 20 points.

Bruh. He shot 7/22 and only 1/8 from deep. 34.1% eFG%. Dude can't shoot well. Yuck.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2020, 03:18:02 PM
Questionable foul call at end on DePaul. Cooley & Company sneak out of Wintrust with a road win 66-65

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 04, 2020, 04:35:49 PM
DePaul gonna DePaul
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Zephyr820 on January 04, 2020, 04:57:29 PM
DePaul is going to finish last.  I never want to see anything about DePaul before February.

This is just what they are - conference ballast.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 04, 2020, 05:18:51 PM
What sucks is it'd be better for the conference if DePaul was solid and Providence won 2 or less BE games.

Not going to work that way, though.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 04, 2020, 07:55:00 PM
What sucks is it'd be better for the conference if DePaul was solid and Providence won 2 or less BE games.

Not going to work that way, though.

Why?

And we really need to get HC a partner so he/she can get out of the house and off the internet incessantly.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 04, 2020, 07:59:12 PM
Why?

And we really need to get HC a partner so he/she can get out of the house and off the internet incessantly.

Because their non-con was absolutely terrible which made all of their rankings terrible, so anytime they’re beating a team in the BE that team’s resume is taking a hit. And they need a lot more BE wins for an NCAA Tournament at large bid than any other BE team due to their terrible non-con.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 04, 2020, 08:03:09 PM
Because their non-con was absolutely terrible which made all of their rankings terrible, so anytime they’re beating a team in the BE that team’s resume is taking a hit. And they need a lot more BE wins for an NCAA Tournament at large bid than any other BE team due to their terrible non-con.

Yeah...no.  See this post:

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59344.msg1188021#msg1188021

Despite DePaul's good non-con record, numbers say DePaul and Providence are doormats of the BE.  They can beat up each other and it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 04, 2020, 08:22:36 PM
Yeah...no.  See this post:

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59344.msg1188021#msg1188021

Despite DePaul's good non-con record, numbers say DePaul and Providence are doormats of the BE.  They can beat up each other and it doesn't matter.

Yeah DePaul is about 40 spots higher. They are much closer to the “middle of the pack” than they are to Providence.

I’d also put my money on Georgetown finishing below DePaul. So if DePaul finishes with the 7th or 8th best NET/KenPom ranking in the BE it would’ve been helpful for them to beat Providence given that the BE could get 7 teams into the Tournament if the 2 or 3 worst teams lose a lot of games, giving everyone else more wins.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on January 04, 2020, 08:31:19 PM
Villanova held to 60 points, only at Ohio State and home vs Kansas has Nova been held lower this year.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2020, 09:25:31 AM
Selected Research Reports for Todays Johnnies at X game today at 4:30 EST.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/04/mustapha-heron-making-st-johns-return-at-critical-time/

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/04/after-villanova-loss-xavier-welcomes-st-johns-heres-what-watch/2795143001/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2020, 06:06:13 PM
Quality home win for X today over The Johnnies. Interesting balance to the league. 3 2-0 teams 4 1-1 teams and 3 0-2 teams 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2020, 06:08:53 PM
Quality home win for X today over The Johnnies. Interesting balance to the league. 3 2-0 teams 4 1-1 teams and 3 0-2 teams

Providence had a lucky draw for their 2-0 start.  Hopefully I don't have to eat my words on Tue...
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: jonny09 on January 05, 2020, 06:15:02 PM
I know it’s not BE, but I love this kid McKinley Wright for Colorado.  He was Theo’s teammate. Pass first point guard.  Playing on ESPN U right now.  Every decision he makes is within the construct of the team.  Fun to watch.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BallBoy on January 05, 2020, 06:20:28 PM
Quality home win for X today over The Johnnies. Interesting balance to the league. 3 2-0 teams 4 1-1 teams and 3 0-2 teams

Both teams seemed to be similar. Better athletes than shooters. Better defense than offense. Better drivers than shooters.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2020, 06:25:38 PM
Both teams seemed to be similar. Better athletes than shooters. Better defense than offense. Better drivers than shooters.
I think both are going to be tough opponents for MU.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: cheebs09 on January 05, 2020, 06:32:36 PM
I know it’s not BE, but I love this kid McKinley Wright for Colorado.  He was Theo’s teammate. Pass first point guard.  Playing on ESPN U right now.  Every decision he makes is within the construct of the team.  Fun to watch.

I think we were in pretty early on on him, but for whatever reason we’re not much of a factor later in his recruitment.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 05, 2020, 06:46:33 PM
I know it’s not BE, but I love this kid McKinley Wright for Colorado.  He was Theo’s teammate. Pass first point guard.  Playing on ESPN U right now.  Every decision he makes is within the construct of the team.  Fun to watch.

Daytom fans very sad to watch him have success
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2020, 06:47:48 PM
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/05/ncaa-basketball-xavier-defeats-st-johns-big-east-action/2818710001/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on January 05, 2020, 06:48:39 PM
I know it’s not BE, but I love this kid McKinley Wright for Colorado.  He was Theo’s teammate. Pass first point guard.  Playing on ESPN U right now.  Every decision he makes is within the construct of the team.  Fun to watch.

He really is good. Saw him carry Colorado to a win over a very good Dayton team in Chicago a couple weeks ago. He is relentless and skilled. Ironically, he had committed to Dayton before Archie left for I4.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on January 05, 2020, 06:51:16 PM
Both teams seemed to be similar. Better athletes than shooters. Better defense than offense. Better drivers than shooters.

X really has been struggling with shooting. Goodin really struggles. Somewhat surprising he really has never been able to develop a consistent shot. A lot of games have been a grind for X due to their difficulty scoring despite all that athleticism.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2020, 07:27:31 PM
Excellent research report on Cooley & Company win over DePaul
http://friarbasketball.com/2020/01/04/maliek-white-emmitt-holt-key-providence-beats-depaul/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2020, 07:36:42 PM
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/05/ncaa-basketball-xavier-defeats-st-johns-big-east-action/2818710001/
Updated story with more quotes from Coach Steele
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/05/ncaa-basketball-xavier-defeats-st-johns-big-east-action/2818710001/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 05, 2020, 07:43:12 PM
I think both are going to be tough opponents for MU.

I think every BEast opponent is going to be tough for MU. And I expect us to vanquish a lot of them anyway.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 05, 2020, 07:46:37 PM
So now that people have seen a few of the early season games, how do you think Marquette matches up. Just based on the eye test. I haven't had a chance to see a lot of other big east games so I would appreciate the takes of those who have.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 07, 2020, 08:11:53 PM
https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/1/6/21052037/villanova-wildcats-basketball-vs-creighton-game-preview
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 07, 2020, 08:40:35 PM
Creighton 20 Nova 8  8:18 left first
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 07, 2020, 09:26:24 PM
41-33 Creighton 15:36 left second. Classic Creighton moving the ball and running the floor. Fun game to watch.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 07, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
Creighton up 8 11:18 left second.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 07, 2020, 09:56:45 PM
Nova up 3 1:56 left. Super Loud crowd in Omaha.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 07, 2020, 10:07:12 PM
Villanova once down by 14, will walk out with a win.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 07, 2020, 10:12:05 PM
Villanova once down by 14, will walk out with a win.

Go on a roll after a Jay Wright technical with 7 and change left.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 07, 2020, 10:12:50 PM
Nova wins by 5 on the road at Creighton. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 07, 2020, 10:21:36 PM
Nova wins by 5 on the road at Creighton.

Well coached teams pull it out on the road by staying focused on what they do best. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2020, 10:37:15 PM
Well coached teams pull it out on the road by staying focused on what they do best.

U Kidding Me?  Wright couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 02:20:55 PM
http://friarbasketball.com/2020/01/08/friars-win-overtime-thriller-marquette/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Silent Verbal on January 08, 2020, 03:17:13 PM
U Kidding Me?  Wright couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.

Ah, so that’s where the Wojo to Wright comparisons come from!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 08, 2020, 03:26:46 PM
Ah, so that’s where the Wojo to Wright comparisons come from!
Some people just don't, or refuse to get it.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
Ewing & Associates up 18-7 over The Johnnies 11:45 first
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 06:25:02 PM
Ewing & Associates blowing out The Johnnies 53-26 Halftime
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 08, 2020, 06:31:07 PM
and people here were saying the BE would get NINE teams into the Big Dance? LOL.

Six, at the most. Neither of these teams will be one of them.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 08, 2020, 06:33:05 PM
and people here were saying the BE would get NINE teams into the Big Dance? LOL.

Six, at the most. Neither of these teams will be one of them.

Could they get 9 teams into the post season?  #NIT
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 07:42:22 PM
Ewing & Associates route The Johnnies by 21 . Hoyas 14-1 against The Johnnies since 2004. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 08, 2020, 07:49:30 PM
Ewing & Associates route The Johnnies by 21 . Hoyas 14-1 against The Johnnies since 2004.

21-10, but it's pretty much the same, right?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 08:14:51 PM
The Hall up 23-16 Over X 7:49 first.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 09:56:23 PM
Big road win for The Hall over X tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on January 08, 2020, 10:36:32 PM
and people here were saying the BE would get NINE teams into the Big Dance? LOL.

Six, at the most. Neither of these teams will be one of them.

7 is possible
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 08, 2020, 11:13:45 PM
7 is possible

Nova, Hall, X, Creighton, MU, Butler - locks to highly likely

Bubble: PC (work to do)

Highly Unlikely: DePaul, STJ, G-town
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Norm on January 08, 2020, 11:16:25 PM
Nova, Hall, X, Creighton, MU, Butler - locks to highly likely

Bubble: PC (work to do)

Highly Unlikely: DePaul, STJ, G-town

Not so sure Mu is a lock or highly likely, I'd have them on the bubble
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 08, 2020, 11:18:47 PM
Not so sure Mu is a lock or highly likely, I'd have them on the bubble

I wouldn't even have MU as a lock for the NIT right now, but that's just me being conservative.  From what I saw last night, it's going to be difficult to win on the road.  There aren't any easy games for MU on the road this year.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Silent Verbal on January 08, 2020, 11:19:10 PM
Nova, Hall, X, Creighton, MU, Butler - locks to highly likely

Bubble: PC (work to do)

Highly Unlikely: DePaul, STJ, G-town

We’re 1-2 to start conference play and none of our non-con wins will be worth a damn at year’s end.  That doesn’t exactly scream “lock to highly likely” to me.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 11:35:35 PM
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2020/01/08/seton-hall-xavier-basketball/2807099001/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 09, 2020, 09:05:18 AM
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2020/1/8/21057729/st-johns-ran-out-of-georgetown-87-66
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 09, 2020, 01:32:25 PM
Nova, Hall, X, Creighton, MU, Butler - locks to highly likely

Bubble: PC (work to do)

Highly Unlikely: DePaul, STJ, G-town

Providence has started nicely, but DePaul and St. John's are still well ahead of them. Better wins and lower quantity of bad losses.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CTWarrior on January 09, 2020, 01:42:08 PM
Providence has started nicely, but DePaul and St. John's are still well ahead of them. Better wins and lower quantity of bad losses.
As far as resumes are concerned, you are correct, but I think Providence will finish ahead of Georgetown, St Johns and DePaul at least in the Big East standings.

Based on what I've seen, I'd rate the teams Butler, Seton Hall, Villanova, Creighton, Marquette/Providence/Xavier, DePaul/Georgetown/St Johns.  But after Villanova the remaining seven aren't that far apart so standings could be anything, and frankly, Villanova nd Seton Hall aren't head and shoulders above the rest of the conference either.  Think there's going to be a lot of teams between 11-7 and 7-11 this year.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 09, 2020, 01:48:14 PM
As far as resumes are concerned, you are correct, but I think Providence will finish ahead of Georgetown, St Johns and DePaul at least in the Big East standings.

Based on what I've seen, I'd rate the teams Butler, Seton Hall, Villanova, Creighton, Marquette/Providence/Xavier, DePaul/Georgetown/St Johns.  But after Villanova the remaining seven aren't that far apart so standings could be anything, and frankly, Villanova nd Seton Hall aren't head and shoulders above the rest of the conference either.  Think there's going to be a lot of teams between 11-7 and 7-11 this year.

Yep. Kenpom currently has MU projected for 9-9. 9-9 is projected to be T4 in the conference with Providence, behind Butler, SHU and Nova. The remaining 5 teams are projected 8-10 or worse.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Buffalo Gap on January 09, 2020, 01:56:12 PM
I wouldn't even have MU as a lock for the NIT right now, but that's just me being conservative.  From what I saw last night, it's going to be difficult to win on the road.  There aren't any easy games for MU on the road this year.

The fact that every night is a question mark or up for grabs says more about Wojo than supposed parity within the league. We should get an NIT bid, at least but March is a long ways off.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 09, 2020, 02:37:34 PM
As far as resumes are concerned, you are correct, but I think Providence will finish ahead of Georgetown, St Johns and DePaul at least in the Big East standings.

Based on what I've seen, I'd rate the teams Butler, Seton Hall, Villanova, Creighton, Marquette/Providence/Xavier, DePaul/Georgetown/St Johns.  But after Villanova the remaining seven aren't that far apart so standings could be anything, and frankly, Villanova nd Seton Hall aren't head and shoulders above the rest of the conference either.  Think there's going to be a lot of teams between 11-7 and 7-11 this year.

Entirely possible, but if Providence is 10-8 that still only gets them to 17-14. By contrast, DePaul at 8-10 would get to 20-11 and St. John's at 8-10 would get to 19-12. Granted, record isn't all that matters, but both DePaul and St. John's have significantly better non-con wins already on the resume and victories against Iowa, Minnesota, Texas Tech, Arizona, and West Virginia look likely to only get better as the season goes on.

Providence has a really big uphill climb. Yes, there are quality wins to be had, but they have tied a serious anchor around their leg with their non-con losses and their best win (Texas) is pretty mediocre.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CTWarrior on January 09, 2020, 02:43:36 PM
Entirely possible, but if Providence is 10-8 that still only gets them to 17-14. By contrast, DePaul at 8-10 would get to 20-11 and St. John's at 8-10 would get to 19-12. Granted, record isn't all that matters, but both DePaul and St. John's have significantly better non-con wins already on the resume and victories against Iowa, Minnesota, Texas Tech, Arizona, and West Virginia look likely to only get better as the season goes on.

Providence has a really big uphill climb. Yes, there are quality wins to be had, but they have tied a serious anchor around their leg with their non-con losses and their best win (Texas) is pretty mediocre.
Yup, you are right.  I was referring strictly to the Big East standings, not the NCAA tournament chances.  This was probably the wrong thread for that post.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 09, 2020, 02:50:17 PM
Yup, you are right.  I was referring strictly to the Big East standings, not the NCAA tournament chances.  This was probably the wrong thread for that post.

Honestly, the whole league is a mess. Butler is the only team I trust, which is shocking because I'm still not a Kamar Baldwin fan. Creighton can look like world-beaters, but squandered that 'Nova lead and got hammered by SDSU (who is good, but not beat you by 31 good). Villanova can play with anyone on their day, but have also looked really vulnerable at times (OSU, at Marquette). And while people like Seton Hall, when they have been at their best, they still lost (MSU, Oregon) and they have played way too close to teams they should beat comfortably.

I agree that much of the league will end up in that 7-11 to 11-7 range. It wouldn't surprise me if 12 games won the league outright.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 09, 2020, 05:56:15 PM
Creighton was impressive coming back the next night in beating Texas Tech after getting hammered by San Diego State. Also, followed that up with wins over Nebraska, Oklahoma and Arizona State.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 09, 2020, 06:04:46 PM
Creighton was impressive coming back the next night in beating Texas Tech after getting hammered by San Diego State. Also, followed that up with wins over Nebraska, Oklahoma and Arizona State.

I mean, they're a tourney team, sure, but would anyone put money on them being a second weekend team? In the same boat as us and just about the entire league not named Butler.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 09, 2020, 06:12:43 PM
I mean, they're a tourney team, sure, but would anyone put money on them being a second weekend team? In the same boat as us and just about the entire league not named Butler.
I believe it's been since 1975 they been a 2nd weekend team. I would not bet on it that the streak will end to answer your question.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on January 09, 2020, 06:17:53 PM
I mean, they're a tourney team, sure, but would anyone put money on them being a second weekend team?

#crapshoot
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 09, 2020, 06:27:28 PM
I believe it's been since 1975 they been a 2nd weekend team. I would not bet on it that the streak will end to answer your question.

The league is really strong in the middle and bottom, but I'm not sure how strong it really is at the top. Butler seems to be legit, especially with their 1-point loss at Baylor (maybe their most impressive performance). But after them, I think anyone in the league could make the field, anyone could make a second weekend, anyone could just as easily lose their first game.

It's the classic knock people have against our league. When it comes to advancing, we're Villanova and no one else. All of these teams are really talented, but until we have one of those years where we place 4 teams in the Sweet 16 and 2 in the Final Four, we won't get the same respect leagues like the Big 10 and ACC get (deserved or not). Maybe it's my lack of confidence in this Marquette team's inconsistency that is permeating to my impression of the entire league, but this feels an awful lot like 2017 where we had 7 bids but the only teams that made the second weekend were a Butler team that beat a 13 and 12 to get there and the lowest-seeded team in the league, Xavier, somehow lucking into an Elite 8 by beating the worst (per Pomeroy) 6, worst 3 and worst 2 to get there before Gonzaga beat them like a drum.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on January 09, 2020, 06:39:01 PM
The league is really strong in the middle and bottom, but I'm not sure how strong it really is at the top. Butler seems to be legit, especially with their 1-point loss at Baylor (maybe their most impressive performance). But after them, I think anyone in the league could make the field, anyone could make a second weekend, anyone could just as easily lose their first game.

It's the classic knock people have against our league. When it comes to advancing, we're Villanova and no one else. All of these teams are really talented, but until we have one of those years where we place 4 teams in the Sweet 16 and 2 in the Final Four, we won't get the same respect leagues like the Big 10 and ACC get (deserved or not). Maybe it's my lack of confidence in this Marquette team's inconsistency that is permeating to my impression of the entire league, but this feels an awful lot like 2017 where we had 7 bids but the only teams that made the second weekend were a Butler team that beat a 13 and 12 to get there and the lowest-seeded team in the league, Xavier, somehow lucking into an Elite 8 by beating the worst (per Pomeroy) 6, worst 3 and worst 2 to get there before Gonzaga beat them like a drum.

That's parity folks. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 09, 2020, 06:48:17 PM
The league is really strong in the middle and bottom, but I'm not sure how strong it really is at the top. Butler seems to be legit, especially with their 1-point loss at Baylor (maybe their most impressive performance). But after them, I think anyone in the league could make the field, anyone could make a second weekend, anyone could just as easily lose their first game.

It's the classic knock people have against our league. When it comes to advancing, we're Villanova and no one else. All of these teams are really talented, but until we have one of those years where we place 4 teams in the Sweet 16 and 2 in the Final Four, we won't get the same respect leagues like the Big 10 and ACC get (deserved or not). Maybe it's my lack of confidence in this Marquette team's inconsistency that is permeating to my impression of the entire league, but this feels an awful lot like 2017 where we had 7 bids but the only teams that made the second weekend were a Butler team that beat a 13 and 12 to get there and the lowest-seeded team in the league, Xavier, somehow lucking into an Elite 8 by beating the worst (per Pomeroy) 6, worst 3 and worst 2 to get there before Gonzaga beat them like a drum.

The tournament is a crapshot, so I wouldn't read too much in 2017.  But there are 10 teams in this league that could play 2nd weekend in ncaa tournament.  Not saying all 10 will get there, obviously.  The ACC is down.  The SEC is down.  The Pac12 is the Pac12.  Big Ten is deep, similar to the BE in that there are no easy games outside of NW.  B12 isn't as good as it has been. No great teams.  Markus is the type of guy that could go bonkers in a setting like that. But he needs help.

Big East is legit.  Going 9-9 is going to be tough, but I think they can do it. With our noncon, that'll be plenty good for a 10 seed.  It just sucks with where we all hoped we'd be this season. I expect this place to be unbearable when we lose on Saturday.  Still think we can get to 9-9, @SHU was always going to be a loss.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on January 09, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
What do you mean always going to be a loss. Very possible to pull out a win. Likely ? No. 40%ish? Sure
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 09, 2020, 06:57:55 PM
What do you mean always going to be a loss. Very possible to pull out a win. Likely ? No. 40%ish? Sure

I mean that I have very little expectation for a win.  Even before PC.  Of course MU CAN win.  But they should be at least 5 points dogs, against a team that is tougher than nails - a trait MU has struggled against for years - on the road over the weekend.  Just don't see a W as a likely scenario....but many here will act like the season is over when it happens.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 10, 2020, 12:31:21 AM
I mean that I have very little expectation for a win.  Even before PC.  Of course MU CAN win.  But they should be at least 5 points dogs, against a team that is tougher than nails - a trait MU has struggled against for years - on the road over the weekend.  Just don't see a W as a likely scenario....but many here will act like the season is over when it happens.

Think MU will play them tough but ultimately lose. We get them in a good spot after a nice road win and before an away game at Butler.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 10, 2020, 10:02:05 PM
Butler 55 Cooley & Company 44 448 lett
l
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 10, 2020, 10:54:40 PM

If Marquette can steal one at SH tomorrow and then go on a little run beating X at home then GTown road and StJs at home, the Butler game at their place might be not be too critical. Even 3-1 in that stretch gets Marquette above .500 before the Butler battle. And who knows....... Butler has a tough road game with Villanova right before playing us, and we have a beatable DePaul team at home.

My eternal optimist is is high gear tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 11, 2020, 08:16:08 AM
Preview DePaul and The Johnnies
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2020/1/10/21060893/st-johns-vs-depaul-blue-demons-how-to-watch-scouting-preview

Preview Creighton and X
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/10/xavier-university-musketeers-college-basketball-avoid-1-3-big-east-start-against-creighton-bluejays/4430995002/

Preview Georgetown and Nova
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-wildcats-big-east-contest-georgetown-hoyas-coach-jay-wright-patrick-ewing-20200110.html
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on January 11, 2020, 08:32:39 AM
Butler 55 Cooley & Company 44 448 lett
l

Butler had little trouble at Providence, getting out to a double digit lead early and winning by double digits.

Glass eaters. 44-26 on the boards.

Providence missed its first 13 shots and shot poorly. The closest they were able to make the game was 8 after being down by 12 at half.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 11, 2020, 11:05:25 AM
Four games today. See the schedule thread pinned at the top.
Two games on right now. One on FS1 and the other on your local FSN station.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on January 11, 2020, 11:17:30 AM
If Marquette can steal one at SH tomorrow and then go on a little run beating X at home then GTown road and StJs at home, the Butler game at their place might be not be too critical. Even 3-1 in that stretch gets Marquette above .500 before the Butler battle. And who knows....... Butler has a tough road game with Villanova right before playing us, and we have a beatable DePaul team at home.

My eternal optimist is is high gear tonight.
big IF
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 11, 2020, 11:30:10 AM
big IF

Yeah, hence the comment at the end.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenZebra on January 11, 2020, 12:33:13 PM
A lot of value is placed on a tournament where one game determines the result. I'd rather MU become a competitive team during the conference season every year than have one win in the NCAA tournament but the regular season is bad.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 11, 2020, 12:51:03 PM
Johnnies up 66-54 7 minutes left second
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 11, 2020, 01:00:24 PM
Assuming we aren't going to compete for the conference title, which seems likely, every Nova win is a good one for us.

Nova takes care of Georgetown at home.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 11, 2020, 01:05:39 PM
Assuming we aren't going to compete for the conference title, which seems likely, every Nova win is a good one for us.

Nova takes care of Georgetown at home.

After the PC game I'll take any bit of positive news I can get.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 11, 2020, 08:05:46 PM
500th career win for McDermott, good road win for Creighton over X
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2020, 07:38:59 PM
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/11/what-does-xavier-basketball-team-do-now-cincinnati/4441568002/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 13, 2020, 08:20:00 PM
Selected Big East Research Reports

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/13/21063002/no-way-out-but-through-xavier-big-east-basketball

https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/1/13/21063480/villanova-basketball-arizin-news-wildcats-depaul

https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-men-s-basketball-returns-to-ap-poll-for-first/article_95c22eb8-73cb-5263-8771-9162c6eb8e14.html

http://friarbasketball.com/2020/01/11/butler-built-winner/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2020, 04:44:42 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/no-14-villanova-looks-to-extend-dominance-over-depaul/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2020, 07:29:00 PM
1/13 Team Sheets
MU on page 42
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2013,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 14, 2020, 08:15:12 PM
DePaul leading #14 Villanova 25-14 on FS1.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2020, 08:20:18 PM
DePaul leading #14 Villanova 25-14 on FS1.
DePaul played Nova tough last year.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 14, 2020, 08:39:05 PM
DePaul played Nova tough last year.
I remember watching it.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: skianth16 on January 14, 2020, 08:57:16 PM
DePaul leading #14 Villanova 25-14 on FS1.

Nova closed out the first half well, but DePaul is sticking around early in the second half.

And that walk on from DePaul is still getting way too much air time.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2020, 09:03:26 PM
Tied 43 13:03 left second
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2020, 09:17:39 PM
Nova up 9 7:58 left. Beautiful team work , fun to watch .
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
66-62 Nova 1:07 left. Charlie Moore and Paul Reed rally the Blue Demons back .
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2020, 09:44:33 PM
Overtime
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on January 14, 2020, 09:46:35 PM
 Nova completely fell apart down the stretch......turnover after turnover......blew and 11 point lead with 2 minutes to go.

Headed to OT
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 14, 2020, 09:46:52 PM
Apparently it's tough for Jay Wright's crew to make passes, free throws and open shots with both hands around their throats. Blew a double-digit lead at home to DePaul in a couple minutes.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: skianth16 on January 14, 2020, 09:48:41 PM
Apparently it's tough for Jay Wright's crew to make passes, free throws and open shots with both hands around their throats. Blew a double-digit lead at home to DePaul in a couple minutes.

I can't believe they threw it away with less tan 30 seconds to play. That's not the kind of thing I've come to expect from Villanova.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2020, 10:04:40 PM
Tough loss for DePaul.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 14, 2020, 10:05:45 PM
Jay fouls twice up three with 6 seconds to go. Worked...twice.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on January 14, 2020, 11:06:12 PM
Tough loss for DePaul.

When DePaul beats us it is going to be Armageddon here.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on January 15, 2020, 07:14:19 AM
When DePaul beats us it is going to be Armageddon here.
IF Depaul beats us...have faith
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 08:42:39 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/01/14/surging-seton-hall-prepares-for-huge-no-5-butler-challenge/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on January 15, 2020, 08:56:11 AM
IF Depaul beats us...have faith

I think it will happen, they have been so close.  I also think we get a win that blows people away...like Butler.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 12:04:21 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/01/14/st-johns-rewarding-spark-plug-rasheem-dunn-with-another-start/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 15, 2020, 12:58:19 PM
Cheeks

I think Butler goes down hard tonight to SH. I think Butler is a very, very beatable team.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 15, 2020, 01:04:52 PM
DePaul is showing signs of being a legitimately good team.

And yet in the only measure that really matters, they still are a very familiar 0-4.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: willie warrior on January 15, 2020, 01:10:59 PM
IF Depaul beats us...have faith
DePaul will beat Wojo. Book it.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on January 15, 2020, 01:14:18 PM
DePaul is showing signs of being a legitimately good team.

And yet in the only measure that really matters, they still are a very familiar 0-4.

Depaul will always be an also-ran with no legit success until that rec-spec'd attention whore clown is off the end of their bench.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 15, 2020, 01:40:38 PM
Jay fouls twice up three with 6 seconds to go. Worked...twice.

Not sure it should have, though. Charlie Moore probably should have been shooting 3 at the end.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 15, 2020, 01:43:12 PM
Not sure it should have, though. Charlie Moore probably should have been shooting 3 at the end.

I don't think he should have gotten 3 FTs, but it was very close, and it's just the kind of thing that can backfire.

I personally like fouling if the situation presents, but Majerus, Calipari and others who were/are pretty successful coaches do not.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 15, 2020, 01:47:59 PM
I don't think he should have gotten 3 FTs, but it was very close, and it's just the kind of thing that can backfire.

I personally like fouling if the situation presents, but Majerus, Calipari and others who were/are pretty successful coaches do not.

I'm actually in favor of fouling up 3. I wouldn't have done it in that situation, though. If the team has to settle for a half court shot I don't think that's the right time.

I'm getting off topic though so I will shut up.

4 big games tonight. Seton Hall-Butler with the winner having a leg up in the title race.

Providence has a chance to keep pushing towards an at large. Can't lose to SJU tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 01:49:00 PM
https://depauliaonline.com/45426/sports/depauls-upset-bid-falls-short-in-overtime-against-villanova/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on January 15, 2020, 01:50:20 PM
Said the same thing post Providence.  A player is going to flail their arms and try to get that call, the refs will almost never give it.  Good coaching by Wright, good execution by Bey.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 05:36:37 PM
The Hall 12 Butler 7 15:55 left first
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 15, 2020, 05:44:58 PM
7-0 run by Butler. Hinkle is going wild!
17-15 Seton Hall on FS1.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 05:45:22 PM
The Hall 17 Butler 15 12:29 left first . Very energetic crowd at Butler.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 05:56:45 PM
Butler 25 The Hall 24 7:55 left. Typical Big East Battle.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 06:17:22 PM
40-30 Butler Halftime. Butler moves the ball so well.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 06:27:37 PM
Creighton 20 Georgetown 16 10;45 left first
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 06:34:47 PM
Ewing & Associates up 2 7:15 left first
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 07:54:59 PM
The Hall with a quality win on the road over Butler. They played well down the stretch.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 15, 2020, 07:59:15 PM
The Hall with a quality win on the road over Butler. They played well down the stretch.

Not just down the stretch. They dropped 50 in the second half. Arguably best half of basketball the program has had in a decade.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 08:07:22 PM
Solid win for Ewing & Associates . Hold serve at home.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 15, 2020, 08:15:45 PM
We need an autocorrect for & Associates.

Make it happen.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 09:07:50 PM
The Johnnies  up 39-38 in a hard fought battle with Cooley & Company. 13:10 left second.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on January 15, 2020, 09:12:38 PM
So Seton Hall wins at Butler......they are good.....in case people didn’t know.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 09:51:49 PM
Solid win tonight for Cooley & Company. Friars making up for the lousy non conference season.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 15, 2020, 09:57:05 PM
Horrible shot by Heron coming out of a time-out with 7 seconds left.

You KNOW that wasn't what Anderson drew up.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 09:58:52 PM
Horrible shot by Heron coming out of a time-out with 7 seconds left.

You KNOW that wasn't what Anderson drew up.
They showed a close up of Anderson grimacing after that shot. Kids will be kids.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 16, 2020, 03:42:23 AM
MuMark

I believe SH is by far the best in class of the BE. Butler and Nova are decent, but not world beaters  IMO. It will be interesting to see who of the remaining seven ends up standing out.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 16, 2020, 06:29:13 AM
Seton Hall and Butler may not be world beaters but this year they may be good enough to get to the final four with some luck.  There are no truly great teams this year in any league. 

I think the size of Seton Hall makes them versatile enough to beat anyone, especially when they get their second best player back.      Butler just gets the job done somehow.  That Baylor one point loss is looking more impressive by the day.  They’ve essentially lost to two of the best teams in the country and did not get rolled in either one of them.

Going to the MU/Butler game with the family.  Could see us getting blown out but hoping we are on a roll going into that game.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2020, 08:20:11 AM
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2020/01/16/seton-hall-basketball-butler/4486790002/

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2020/01/15/myles-powell-pushes-no-18-
seton-hall-past-no-5-butler-big-east-showdown/4483979002/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 18, 2020, 11:03:43 AM
Just starting........


18 Seton Hall @ St. John's, 11:00, FOX - Tim Brando, Jim Spanarkel
Line: Seton Hall -4.5

Connecticut @ 14 Villanova, 11:00, FS1 -Brian Custer and Len Elmore
Line: Villanova -9.5
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 18, 2020, 11:52:40 AM
MuMark

I believe SH is by far the best in class of the BE. Butler and Nova are decent, but not world beaters  IMO. It will be interesting to see who of the remaining seven ends up standing out.

Agree on Nova. I think Butler is a legit top 10 team this year, though.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 18, 2020, 12:06:25 PM
I think Butler goes down again today.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 18, 2020, 12:13:49 PM
UConn and Villanova tied at 33 on FS1.

DePaul up early on Butler 10-2 on FSN.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 18, 2020, 12:43:59 PM
UConn 51 Villanova 49
4 minutes left.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on January 18, 2020, 12:57:09 PM
St. John’s up 1 with 4:26 left
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2020, 12:58:01 PM
Nova survives
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 18, 2020, 01:03:30 PM
Nova survives

Good game. Nova’s AP ranking inflated over their reality. Will be fun to have UCONN in Big East.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: willie warrior on January 18, 2020, 01:04:58 PM
DePaul kicking Butlers ass by 10 at halftime. They want Wojo badly.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 18, 2020, 01:57:57 PM
I think Butler goes down again today.

Good call.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 18, 2020, 02:46:11 PM
Solid win for Nova. Depaul getting a win at home was not surprising. Good road win The Hall.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 19, 2020, 12:55:01 AM
Solid win for Nova. Depaul getting a win at home was not surprising. Good road win The Hall.

That DePaul win was a little surprising.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: willie warrior on January 19, 2020, 06:42:22 AM
That DePaul win was a little surprising.
Wait till they surprise our ass.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 19, 2020, 08:08:29 AM
Villanova U Conn game had a Big East feel to it .

https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-uconn-men-villanova-20200119-20200118-svgvgzip3jddvn6t3ythyp3iey-story.html

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/columnists/villanova-uconn-big-east-20200118.html
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: HutchwasClutch on January 19, 2020, 08:13:09 AM
Villanova U Conn game had a Big East feel to it .

https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-uconn-men-villanova-20200119-20200118-svgvgzip3jddvn6t3ythyp3iey-story.html

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/columnists/villanova-uconn-big-east-20200118.html

Very bold proclamation by Hurley in the Courant story.  We’ll see if he can back it up.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on January 19, 2020, 11:32:26 AM
Very bold proclamation by Hurley in the Courant story.  We’ll see if he can back it up.

Jim Harbaughesque
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 19, 2020, 12:22:53 PM
Very bold proclamation by Hurley in the Courant story.  We’ll see if he can back it up.

Very bold. Like the swag. Do think he’s a good coach and will have UCONN back in the National conversation sooner than later. Good for the league.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 19, 2020, 12:41:06 PM
Very bold. Like the swag.

I'm sure #243 St. Josephs was happy to "get [them] now" when they went on the road an clubbed UConn by 9.

Swagger is great, but as we've been reminded here repeatedly, results matter.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 19, 2020, 12:48:14 PM
I'm sure #243 St. Josephs was happy to "get [them] now" when they went on the road an clubbed UConn by 9.

Swagger is great, but as we've been reminded here repeatedly, results matter.

Funny about St. Joes. Results do matter most..yet it seems such that the best coaches frequently also have a degree of swag/charisma..aside from Mark Few.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 19, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
I'm sure #243 St. Josephs was happy to "get [them] now" when they went on the road an clubbed UConn by 9.

Swagger is great, but as we've been reminded here repeatedly, results matter.

UCONN is 11th in the AAC. It’s great that Hurley can get wired up, but do it this year on the floor in a middling conference. In swimming, there is a saying: Let your bubbles do your talking.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on January 19, 2020, 01:22:29 PM
Funny about St. Joes. Results do matter most..yet it seems such that the best coaches frequently also have a degree of swag/charisma..aside from Mark Few.

Look up "swag" in the dictionary and there are side-by-side photos of Coach K and Roy Williams.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 19, 2020, 01:37:34 PM
Look up "swag" in the dictionary and there are side-by-side photos of Coach K and Roy Williams.

Lol that’s exactly what I was thinking. Tony Bennett, incredible amount of swag.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on January 19, 2020, 02:05:25 PM
UCONN is 11th in the AAC. It’s great that Hurley can get wired up, but do it this year on the floor in a middling conference. In swimming, there is a saying: Let your bubbles do your talking.

All of Hurley's bubbles are from him farting in the water this year

uCONN blows
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 19, 2020, 02:14:40 PM
Wait till they surprise our ass.

Wouldn't surprise me. LOL

The last place team in the conference handling one of the top teams in the conference the way DePaul did IS a little surprising and does change my calculations for how Marquette will get the wins it need to make the tournament. It looks like beating Butler and losing to DePaul is a more likely scenario than I previously imagined.

Surprising!


Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 19, 2020, 02:16:40 PM
Lol that’s exactly what I was thinking. Tony Bennett, incredible amount of swag.

Perhaps you missed the mention of charisma...
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on January 19, 2020, 04:52:21 PM
Funny about St. Joes. Results do matter most..yet it seems such that the best coaches frequently also have a degree of swag/charisma..aside from Mark Few.

Hmmm...I’m not sure I would call K a guy that calls out other teams like Hurley.  Or Brad Stevens.  Or Jay Wright.    Or Andy Reid.  Could go on and on. 

Some do, some do not. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Retire0 on January 19, 2020, 09:17:23 PM
Lol that’s exactly what I was thinking. Tony Bennett, incredible amount of swag.

Hence the nickname Swaggy Iz at Michigan State.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 19, 2020, 09:35:59 PM
Selected articles on The Hall versus Johnnies game

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/18/myles-powell-carries-seton-hall-over-st-johns-in-msg-thriller/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.app.com/amp/4487860002
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 20, 2020, 02:31:36 PM
Selected articles on Cooley & Company at Creighton. Was a good game.

https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-men-hit-a--pointer-and-a-free-throw/article_75ea9c13-0e68-594b-b9cc-b02511fd36e7.html

http://friarbasketball.com/2020/01/19/friars-lose-heartbreaker-omaha/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 09:02:40 AM
Fan Base a little nervous at Xavier.....
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/16/21068809/what-you-should-and-shouldnt-be-freaking-out-about-xavier-basketball
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2020, 09:07:40 AM
Fan Base a little nervous at Xavier.....
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/16/21068809/what-you-should-and-shouldnt-be-freaking-out-about-xavier-basketball

They're going nuts on their message board
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: guzica on January 21, 2020, 09:28:35 AM
And that NEVER happens here !? ! ? !  8-)
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
And that NEVER happens here !? ! ? !  8-)

Nah this place is a safe haven of calm patient and reasonable people
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on January 21, 2020, 09:35:31 AM
Thanks. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 11:57:32 AM
They're going nuts on their message board

21,000 page views on the Fire Travis thread.

They loved him after he beat Cincy.......talk about short lease lol
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on January 21, 2020, 12:21:30 PM
21,000 page views on the Fire Travis thread.

They loved him after he beat Cincy.......talk about short lease lol

Not so long ago certain some here were hailing the job Steele was doing at Xavier and how he already was outperforming Wojo.
Life comes at you fast.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on January 21, 2020, 12:35:46 PM
Not so long ago certain some here were hailing the job Steele was doing at Xavier and how he already was outperforming Wojo.
Life comes at you fast.

Oh yes... I do remember that.

Bad enough that Travis Steele at Xavier... [is] seemingly outperforming Wojo in year two
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 02:47:54 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-wildcats-butler-bulldogs-big-east-conference-reconfiguration-only-nova-loss-20200120.html%3FoutputType%3Damp
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 21, 2020, 02:59:30 PM
Not so long ago certain some here were hailing the job Steele was doing at Xavier and how he already was outperforming Wojo.
Life comes at you fast.

Oh yes... I do remember that.


Lol.  "Life comes at you fast." 

We finished 97th in Year 2 of Wojo.  Xavier currently at 58 in Ken Pom.  Let me know if you two would like to place any bets.  I've got Xavier under 97, you guys can have the over.

I look forward to your proposed wagers coming at me fast.  nh  (So lame, btw JayBee.)
 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on January 21, 2020, 03:05:29 PM
Lol.  "Life comes at you fast." 

We finished 97th in Year 2 of Wojo.  Xavier currently at 58 in Ken Pom. Let me know if you two would like to place any bets.  I've got Xavier under 97, you guys can have the over.

I look forward to your proposed wagers coming at me fast.  nh  (So lame, btw JayBee.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5u7yZiV3bI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5u7yZiV3bI)
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 21, 2020, 03:27:58 PM
Not everyone was touting Steele. I voiced my concern over their ability to remain at the same level. It gets tough when new coaches come in, especially after following the success the previous coaches have had at X. They looked down to me last year and even further down this season. I will be keeping an eye on how much rope is given there.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on January 21, 2020, 04:00:34 PM
Lol.  "Life comes at you fast." 

We finished 97th in Year 2 of Wojo.  Xavier currently at 58 in Ken Pom.  Let me know if you two would like to place any bets.  I've got Xavier under 97, you guys can have the over.

I look forward to your proposed wagers coming at me fast.  nh  (So lame, btw JayBee.)

Moving goalposts.
You didn't write" Steele's year 2 is better than Wojo's year 2."
You wrote that Steele in year two of his tenure is outperforming Wojo.
I mean, who cares about comparing one guy's second year against another guy's second year? Nobody.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 21, 2020, 04:25:19 PM
Moving goalposts.
You didn't write" Steele's year 2 is better than Wojo's year 2."
You wrote that Steele in year two of his tenure is outperforming Wojo.
I mean, who cares about comparing one guy's second year against another guy's second year? Nobody.

Yep. What I thought. Want nothing to do with that wager.

And for what it’s worth, at the time of that post, Xavier was rated higher than us...which was embarrassing considering their respective time on the job.

Guess their fanbase has higher expectations than we do, because they want him fired halfway through Year 2 as they sit at 58.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on January 21, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
Yep. What I thought. Want nothing to do with that wager.

And for what it’s worth, at the time of that post, Xavier was rated higher than us...which was embarrassing considering their respective time on the job.

Guess their fanbase has higher expectations than we do, because they want him fired halfway through Year 2 as they sit at 58.

You are correct, I want no part of your dumb wager.
Which has nothing at all to do with the fact your previous comment is proving to be wrong. Steele is not outperforming Wojo (and certainly not six days ago).
Xavier sits at 58 after opening the season at 18. Might explain some of the angst.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on January 21, 2020, 05:35:55 PM
Who do we want to win, Butler or Nova?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 05:40:22 PM
Who do we want to win, Butler or Nova?
Butler. Don't want them too hungry when we play them. Also a strong Butler is good for the league. Have a reasonable confidence Nova will continue to be solid. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on January 21, 2020, 05:41:04 PM
If year 2 Wojo was being compared to year 8 McDermott, year 7 Cooley, and year 11 Wright, why shouldn't year 2 Steele be compared to year 6 Wojo?

If we're going to compare year 2 Wojo to year 2 Steele, it should be worth noting that year 2 Steele has 4 of Mack's recruits as upperclassmen that all tested the NBA waters last year as well as the top recruiting class of 2019 in the conference, while year 2 Wojo was led by a Freshman (although a very good one), and the only Senior was one of the walk-ons.

Wojo missed the postseason altogether and right now Steele is on the wrong side of the bubble (per bracketmatrix) and looking at another NIT.  Given the relative strengths of their respective rosters, I would say that those accomplishments (or lack thereof) are about the same.  Steele is in his second year as a HC, I expect him to get better the same way Wojo has gotten better since year 2.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 21, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
You are correct, I want no part of your dumb wager.
Which has nothing at all to do with the fact your previous comment is proving to be wrong. Steele is not outperforming Wojo (and certainly not six days ago).
Xavier sits at 58 after opening the season at 18. Might explain some of the angst.

Guess you like to compare apples to oranges. Thanks proving my point.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 21, 2020, 06:03:35 PM
Nova wins big tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on January 21, 2020, 06:04:42 PM
Guess you like to compare apples to oranges. Thanks proving my point.

Five of Marquette's top 7 players that year were freshmen. Another was a sophomore.
Six of Xavier's top 7 this year are upperclassmen. The lone underclassman is playing 15 mpg.

Marquette was projected to finish 6th in the conference that year. They finished 7th.
Xavier was projected to finish 3rd in the conference this year. They sit 8th.

Apples to apples, right?

But again, this is an excercise in futility because it isn't what you wrote back then. You just shifted the goalposts when your initial post started to look silly.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 21, 2020, 06:10:26 PM
I have watched a lot of Xavier games this year (for obvious reasons) and the worst I saw them play was against us.  They've looked better than their 1-4 BE record.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 06:14:04 PM
I have watched a lot of Xavier games this year (for obvious reasons) and the worst I saw them play was against us.  They've looked better than their 1-4 BE record.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/15/college-basketball-xavier-fall-big-east-foe-marquette/4476393002/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 21, 2020, 06:14:43 PM
I have watched a lot of Xavier games this year (for obvious reasons) and the worst I saw them play was against us.  They've looked better than their 1-4 BE record.

Things can spiral for you quickly in this league. X and MU were in same spot a week ago.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 06:15:42 PM
Butler 8 Nova 2 15:09 left first
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on January 21, 2020, 06:21:33 PM
Lol.  "Life comes at you fast." 

We finished 97th in Year 2 of Wojo.  Xavier currently at 58 in Ken Pom.  Let me know if you two would like to place any bets.  I've got Xavier under 97, you guys can have the over.

I look forward to your proposed wagers coming at me fast.  nh  (So lame, btw JayBee.)

No, you’re shifting goalposts. You were commenting (as is clear by the Dayton comments before X) that Xavier was going to better than us this year, even though Steele is a pup in the new gig. Happy to entertain that bet.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 21, 2020, 06:34:26 PM
Guess you like to compare apples to oranges. Thanks proving my point.

Multiple posters have made a mockery of your Steele vs Wojo comparison and still you persist.

I don't know whether to admire or pity your intransigence.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
Nova 36 Butler 26 Half.
 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 21, 2020, 06:53:51 PM
Villanova closed the 1st half on a 9-2 run.
#9 Villanova 36 #13 Butler 26 at the half on CBSSN.

Time for me to put on my gold for Fiserv Forum.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 07:27:12 PM
Nova 49 Butler 45 Kamar Baldwin makes some tough shots. 11:15 left second
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 07:40:35 PM
Cats beating Dogs 56- 45 7:40 left second.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 21, 2020, 07:47:34 PM
https://depauliaonline.com/45666/sports/hometown-chicago-kid-joins-depaul-mens-basketball-for-rest-of-season/

Depaul picked up some depth with a midseason grad transfer. Going to be interesting to see how quickly he gets acclimated.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
https://depauliaonline.com/45666/sports/hometown-chicago-kid-joins-depaul-mens-basketball-for-rest-of-season/

Depaul picked up some depth with a midseason grad transfer. Going to be interesting to see how quickly he gets acclimated.
Do we know why he sat out this season at George Washington, Injury? They are saying he needs to get in shape.

https://247sports.com/college/depaul/Article/A-Dream-Comes-True-for-DJ-Williams-DePaul-Basketball-Big-East-142478968/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 08:01:02 PM
Nova up 13 1:12 left second. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 21, 2020, 08:07:09 PM
Nova wins big tonight.

Have to say you have been calling it correctly on Butler.   They look vulnerable.  Hopefully we can get it done tonight and Friday and really get cooking.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 21, 2020, 10:54:04 PM
Shooter

The boys are playing better and I like the chances on Friday. Johnson is becoming a difference maker and Koby is getting better every game. If those two continue to contribute I like their chances in every game with exception of SH and Creighton. Fortunately both at home.
Quick addition, I think we will struggle with DePaul.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on January 21, 2020, 11:07:54 PM
Shooter

The boys are playing better and I like the chances on Friday. Johnson is becoming a difference maker and Koby is getting better every game. If those two continue to contribute I like their chances in every game with exception of SH and Creighton. Fortunately both at home.
Quick addition, I think we will struggle with DePaul.

I would agree that those are the two matchups MU will have the most trouble with. They don’t do much winning at Nova either. The Seton Hall game is Feb 29 so I’m hoping a bid is locked up at that point.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 21, 2020, 11:12:04 PM
You and me are on the same page.  I think we take Creighton at home though.  I really hope we are in a position on Senior day to take down Seton Hall and push for a championship.  Lots of work to be done. DePaul scares me because I think they are a well rounded team that got off to a bad start.  Their two bigs are more mobile and better than ours. 

At least they (MU) are making it more interesting.  Could be a fun couple of months.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 21, 2020, 11:12:55 PM
CountryRoads

They likely lose at Nova, but they can beat this year at their joint. One really good team in BE and next 5-6 will battle it out.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 21, 2020, 11:17:11 PM
Shooter

If they play good ball, you and I will be in the same page more often. The key the rest of the way is Howard playing hero ball when needed and playing like he did tonight, if not no need for hero ball. He played like an elite player tonight, IMO. If a hockey game, he would have had a dozen assists.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 07:55:25 AM
https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/1/21/21076372/cats-beat-dogs-in-top-15-showdown-villanova-wildcats-basketball-wins-76-61-butler-bulldogs-recap
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: IrwinFletcher on January 22, 2020, 08:22:34 AM
Win at home vs Butler on 2/9 and we are pretty much locks for the tournament.  Despite Butler's fall of late, we would have two impressive NET wins on our resume.  Throw in a SHU victory as well and we would likely be on the 6 seed line.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 12:40:42 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/22/how-romaro-gill-grew-into-seton-halls-unstoppable-force/amp/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 22, 2020, 03:44:11 PM
3 games tonight
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59211.msg1197131#msg1197131
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on January 22, 2020, 06:08:10 PM
Providence v Seton Hall who do we want to win?

Short term-Seton Hall? to be in a tie for 3rd, or long term Providence, if we want a better shot at the title?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 22, 2020, 06:36:23 PM
Providence v Seton Hall who do we want to win?

Short term-Seton Hall? to be in a tie for 3rd, or long term Providence, if we want a better shot at the title?

Providence isnt winning
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 22, 2020, 06:39:48 PM
Providence v Seton Hall who do we want to win?

Short term-Seton Hall? to be in a tie for 3rd, or long term Providence, if we want a better shot at the title?

Providence because it's all about the Big East title. Can't make up ground on SHU unless they lose some games.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 07:48:37 PM
When given a choice between Cooley & Company and The Hall, I will allways take Cooley. Think it also helps us more if Providence resume is improved.

Seton Hall fan base is supporting their team in recent years, so the home court is definitely more of an advantage than it has been historically. So very much an uphill climb for Cooley
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 22, 2020, 07:53:11 PM
So, besides MU, I have seen Nova, Creighton and now Georgetown wear the Baby Blues (Valor Blues now I guess). And MU is wearing black.  Wtf?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 08:06:28 PM
Much needed win for Xavier tonight over Ewing & Associates.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 08:33:15 PM
The Hall 36 Cooley & Company 32 Halftime. Good game.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on January 22, 2020, 08:47:52 PM
Tough break for Butler

@ButlerMBB: Christian David is out for the remainder of the 2019-20 season after tearing the ACL in his left knee during Tuesday night's game at Villanova. Surgery for the junior forward will be scheduled soon. #GetWellSoonCD
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 08:58:32 PM
Tough break for Butler

@ButlerMBB: Christian David is out for the remainder of the 2019-20 season after tearing the ACL in his left knee during Tuesday night's game at Villanova. Surgery for the junior forward will be scheduled soon. #GetWellSoonCD
Hope the young man can recover in time for next season.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 08:59:52 PM
Creighton 37 DePaul 34 Half

The Hall 46 Cooley & Company 42 15:07 left second
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 22, 2020, 09:00:36 PM
Tough break for Butler

@ButlerMBB: Christian David is out for the remainder of the 2019-20 season after tearing the ACL in his left knee during Tuesday night's game at Villanova. Surgery for the junior forward will be scheduled soon. #GetWellSoonCD

Sucks for the kid but team wise hes pretty much a non entity
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2020, 09:07:23 PM
I can't believe parents of the Duke kid on Providence named him David. I guess they didn't like "Adolph."
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 09:33:01 PM
Creighton 62 DePaul 47 11:47 left second half. Ballock doing his thing.

The Hall 67 Cooley & Company 58 3:16 left second. Romaro Gill with a strong performance.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on January 22, 2020, 09:44:23 PM
Providence really hung tough vs SH........both big physical teams....
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
9th straight win for The Hall
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 22, 2020, 09:58:57 PM
I can't believe parents of the Duke kid on Providence named him David. I guess they didn't like "Adolph."

Born in 1999, well after his white supremacist namesake had come to prominence. Just baffling.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 22, 2020, 10:04:09 PM
I can't believe parents of the Duke kid on Providence named him David. I guess they didn't like "Adolph."

or fidel
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2020, 10:04:18 PM
My wife's like, "I can't believe he doesn't change his name."
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 10:07:42 PM
My wife's like, "I can't believe he doesn't change his name."
His name is David Duke, Jr. He was named after his father.  People have pride in their families. Some are not as myopic and self absorbed as your family.


https://friars.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/david-duke/4790
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: NYWarrior on January 22, 2020, 10:08:47 PM
Born in 1999, well after his white supremacist namesake had come to prominence. Just baffling.

Along those lines .... I mean, this tweet. I feel for PC's talented Mr. Duke https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1220039303306399751 (https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1220039303306399751)
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 22, 2020, 10:15:10 PM
Providence really hung tough vs SH........both big physical teams....

I thought SH handled them despite Providence getting some road cookin from the refs.

Gill snuffed out any chance the Friars had, and he did it on both ends. With Powell only scoring 14 pts, SH needed him to be big, and he was, both physically and statistically.
The guy literally was the difference in the game.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 10:16:56 PM
Creighton 83 DePaul 68 . Road win for Creighton.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 22, 2020, 10:20:46 PM
Creighton 83 DePaul 68 . Road win for Creighton.

That makes me feel a little better about Marquettes prospects against them.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2020, 10:25:26 PM
His name is David Duke, Jr. He was named after his father.  People have pride in their families. Some are not as myopic and self absorbed as your family.


https://friars.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/david-duke/4790

I'm sure the namesake of the KKK's former Grand Wizard appreciates your support.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 22, 2020, 10:28:54 PM
Much needed win for Xavier tonight over Ewing & Associates.

It’s not funny, kid.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 22, 2020, 10:52:05 PM
I can't believe parents of the Duke kid on Providence named him David. I guess they didn't like "Adolph."

I actually think it's great.

I can just imagine the look on some racist POS face when he clicks on a news article just because of the name and is greeted by the Friars David Dukes smiling face. Classic.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on January 22, 2020, 10:56:46 PM
Most people dont know or care who KKK david Duke is. The guys irrelevant. I follow politics somewhat closely and only heard of him once a few years ago for some small story bout whatever. Didnt even realize providence duke was same name till someone said it here. Who cares. Own the name. Its not anywhere near naming a kid adolf
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 22, 2020, 11:26:53 PM
Sucks for the kid but team wise hes pretty much a non entity

Wouldn't say non-entity. He's the second guy off the bench for them and is known as a very good defender. He was one of the guys on their roster who I thought could maybe slow Markus down. Him not being available can only help us.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on January 22, 2020, 11:48:43 PM
or fidel

Or Bernard
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on January 22, 2020, 11:49:38 PM
I'm sure the namesake of the KKK's former Grand Wizard appreciates your support.

Byrd?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: buckchuckler on January 23, 2020, 12:22:29 AM
I can't believe parents of the Duke kid on Providence named him David. I guess they didn't like "Adolph."

It's terrible.  Though, it wouldn't be as bad as like, wearing something from Hugo Boss.  Or driving in a VW ( or Audi), or BMW, or Porsche though right?  And I hope your portfolio doesn't include Siemens.  What kind of message does that send?

Maybe give the kid a break on his name.  I know I certainly had never heard of David Duke in 1999.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on January 23, 2020, 06:14:37 AM
I'm sure the namesake of the KKK's former Grand Wizard appreciates your support.
You do realize David Duke from Providence is African American? Why would he change his name because of some other POS with the same name.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: willie warrior on January 23, 2020, 06:36:29 AM
You do realize David Duke from Providence is African American? Why would he change his name because of some other POS with the same name.
Hmmm....lots of politics here.
Still waiting for a top 50 recruit named Hitler.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 23, 2020, 06:43:47 AM
You do realize David Duke from Providence is African American? Why would he change his name because of some other POS with the same name.

I wouldn't expect the kid to change his name. But I am surprised the parents used that name. I think people are generally cognizant of famous people that share their surname. I'd be willing to wager that if your last name is "Duke", you are more likely to have heard of the former David Duke. It just seems an odd choice. Parents put time into picking names, I can't imagine giving one without examining all the angles. And if he's named after his father, I would think that would be less of a reason as the father already had to deal with being another David Duke all his life.

Just like Office Space, I fully get that the "why should I change my name, he's the one that sucks?" aspect of this, but if it turns out a white supremacist shares my name, I'm certainly not giving my son the same name so he has to bear that all his life too.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 23, 2020, 06:46:08 AM
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2020/01/22/seton-hall-providence-basketball/4528676002/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 23, 2020, 07:28:34 AM
I wouldn't expect the kid to change his name. But I am surprised the parents used that name. I think people are generally cognizant of famous people that share their surname. I'd be willing to wager that if your last name is "Duke", you are more likely to have heard of the former David Duke. It just seems an odd choice. Parents put time into picking names, I can't imagine giving one without examining all the angles. And if he's named after his father, I would think that would be less of a reason as the father already had to deal with being another David Duke all his life.

Just like Office Space, I fully get that the "why should I change my name, he's the one that sucks?" aspect of this, but if it turns out a white supremacist shares my name, I'm certainly not giving my son the same name so he has to bear that all his life too.

This.

But this did crack me up ...

I actually think it's great.

I can just imagine the look on some racist POS face when he clicks on a news article just because of the name and is greeted by the Friars David Dukes smiling face. Classic.

But seriously ...

David Duke the KKK leader would have advocated lynching David Duke the basketball player, or burning down his church, or putting a flaming cross in his yard.

So it goes back to what brewski said. If our last name happened to be Dahmer, my wife and I would have named our son ANYTHING but Jeffrey. And if my parents had been brain-dead and named me Jeffrey Dahmer, I'd have changed my name.

But hey, it's David Duke's (the hoopster) life, and I wish him success (except when he plays against Marquette).
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 23, 2020, 10:19:04 PM
https://depauliaonline.com/45721/sports/depaul-gets-blown-out-against-creighton-83-68/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2020, 07:35:48 AM
Excellent research report chronicling the development of Romaro Gill. 

https://nypost.com/2020/01/22/how-romaro-gill-grew-into-seton-halls-unstoppable-force/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2020, 08:04:48 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/4548757002
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 24, 2020, 08:14:00 AM
God you say some dumb sh*t

+1. WTF.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on January 24, 2020, 09:47:06 AM
Excellent research report chronicling the development of Romaro Gill. 

https://nypost.com/2020/01/22/how-romaro-gill-grew-into-seton-halls-unstoppable-force/

Thanks for posting. Wow, that is an amazing story. I have certainly noticed the game to game improvement Gill is making lately, but had no idea of his backstory. One of the things I love about the size of the current Big East and the round robin schedule is how well you get to know the opposing teams, coaches and some of the players' stories. Some you can't stand, some you grow to appreciate and some you can't help but like.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 24, 2020, 11:36:47 AM
Rocket - removed your post and replies.   Maybe you don't intend it that way, but saying things like that counts as hate speech in my book.  Don't do it.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on January 24, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
Thank you, Rocky.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 24, 2020, 12:33:10 PM
Looks like I missed some fireworks
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on January 24, 2020, 12:36:12 PM
Thank you, Rocky.

^^^ and this gf individual's signature counts as politics in everyone's book. Remove it or ban
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 24, 2020, 12:37:48 PM
^^^ and this gf individual's signature counts as politics in everyone's book. Remove it or ban

Gf?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 24, 2020, 12:46:33 PM
Or Bernard

["Bernard" = Adolph Hitler, David Duke and Fidel Castro.] 

Ooohh....politics!!!!  How fun!  Isn't it just awesome!!

So clever, Cheeks.  (Wait for the denials..."I never compared Bernie Sanders to Adolph Hitler...I just said Bernard--I meant Bernard Toone.  And I was comparing him to college basketball players David Duke, Adolph Rupp (well...) and Fidel Woods of Jackson State")
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on January 24, 2020, 01:06:59 PM
Oooooh boy. This thread is about to get good.

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Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2020, 01:24:51 PM
Saddiq Bey had a growth spurt since in school.

https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/saddiq-bey-villanova-basketball-jay-wright-growth-spurt-sidwell-friends-20200122.html
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 24, 2020, 01:36:48 PM
True story:

When I was in high school, I dated a girl whose father was the biggest bigot I had ever met to that point in my young life. My senior year in college, my mom sent me a newspaper article he was featured in -- as having been de-hooded. Turns out he was the Imperial Wizard of the Connecticut KKK.

Hell, I just googled his name, and several articles popped up. Here's one of them:

https://apnews.com/0646450eba57e96c84a2165f74acd77b

"I Dated A Klansman's Daughter" ... Sounds like I've got a country song to write!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on January 24, 2020, 01:43:15 PM


"I Dated A Klansman's Daughter" ... Sounds like I've got a country song to write!
Be careful, in some areas that Daughter would also be your sister. So you would be outing your father.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 24, 2020, 02:59:38 PM
Rocket - removed your post and replies.   Maybe you don't intend it that way, but saying things like that counts as hate speech in my book.  Don't do it.

You’re absolutely right rockie did not mean it as hate speech thank you for the mulligan
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2020, 03:16:14 PM
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/24/21079809/travis-steele-has-to-stop-fighting-who-he-is-xavier-basketball-big-dudes
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 24, 2020, 08:08:56 PM
Sadly, I think Butler by 12 tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Would be good for the league.

https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/01/patrick-ewing-jay-wright-say-seton-hall-has-final-four-potential.html
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2020, 10:22:06 PM
Lets get this one in overtime.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 25, 2020, 07:38:11 AM
Should be some entertaining games today with Nova at Cooley & Company and The Johnnies at DePaul.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 25, 2020, 01:12:06 PM
Villanova 44 Providence 38 in the 2nd half on CBS.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on January 25, 2020, 01:48:27 PM
Providence has slipped 3 times in the second half. Court being wiped down now. BE really needs to do something about that court.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 25, 2020, 01:49:50 PM
More slipping and sliding at Providence. At least they didn’t decide to not call second half travels and keep the ball with the team that traveled out of bounds.

But if providence can’t have a safe court for kids to play on, move the game to an empty practice arena. If there’s an issue when MU plays there I hope Wojo pulls the team off the court.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 25, 2020, 03:37:01 PM
Solid road win for The Johnnies over DePaul.

Nova skates out of town with Win over Cooley & Company.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 25, 2020, 03:44:16 PM
DePaul had such a great non conference to set themselves up for a NCAA bid, is in serious trouble.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 25, 2020, 11:09:05 PM
DePaul had such a great non conference to set themselves up for a NCAA bid, is in serious trouble.
They had solid teamwork doing non con. Not seeing that same consistent ball movement lately.

However, I still think they are not an automatic win for anyone.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2020, 07:25:55 AM
Opportunity game today for Xavier at Creighton.

Good podcast on Xaviers tourney chances in this research report

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/25/21081224/the-blessing-and-curse-of-the-big-east-xavier-basketball

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/24/21080208/so-youre-telling-me-theres-a-chance-xavier-basketball
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2020, 10:25:07 AM
Todays game between Xavier and Creighton is an all access game where the coaches are miked up . It is worth watching to hear how McDermott and Steele operate.
 
https://gocreighton.com/news/2020/1/22/mens-basketball-to-play-in-fs1s-all-access-game-on-sunday-vs-xavier.aspx
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2020, 01:21:28 PM
https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/1/25/21081538/villanova-holds-off-providence-64-60-in-tough-conference-clash
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2020, 03:14:56 PM
7-1 Creighton 15:43

In the huddle now
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2020, 03:23:32 PM
15-6 Creighton 11:47 left first

McDermott pushing his guys to rocket up and down the floor .
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2020, 03:33:25 PM
23-13 Creighton 8:21 Fun to watch

McDermott talking a page out of his buddy Cooleys book and working the refs hard
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2020, 03:52:58 PM
39-31 Creighton at half over X

Entertaining game
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 26, 2020, 04:01:13 PM
Fun game so far, and profitable!  Took Creighton -3 on 1st Half line.  Also bet the Over 67 at half (that 3 point shot at end of half took me off the push to a win).  Also bet Creighton -5.5 for the game.  Felt these were almost lock bets.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2020, 05:11:07 PM
Creighton solidifies it’s position with win over  X
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2020, 08:18:11 PM
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/26/heres-what-went-wrong-xaviers-loss-creighton/4575382002/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 27, 2020, 06:51:57 AM
Xavier is in trouble and it doesn't get easier. They will be desperate to beat us on Wednesday, because after that they have 4/5 on the road, and they still have Villanova and Butler coming to town.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 27, 2020, 01:02:18 PM
Seems like the conference is seperating into a top 5 with SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, MU) and a bottom 4 that will be playing day 1 of the BET (X, DP, SJU, Georgetown).

Providence is the x factor for me. Not sure where they will end up.

Could see MU finishing anywhere between 3rd and 6th.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: RJax55 on January 27, 2020, 01:06:41 PM
Seems like the conference is seperating into a top 5 with SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, MU) and a bottom 4 that will be playing day 1 of the BET (X, DP, SJU, Georgetown).

Providence is the x factor for me. Not sure where they will end up.

Could see MU finishing anywhere between 3rd and 6th.

Providence got off to a surprising start, but has come back down to earth. They have lost 4 of the last 5 games.  Given what I've seen so far, I think MU stays in the 5th spot.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 27, 2020, 01:10:17 PM
Seems like the conference is seperating into a top 5 with SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, MU) and a bottom 4 that will be playing day 1 of the BET (X, DP, SJU, Georgetown).

Providence is the x factor for me. Not sure where they will end up.

Could see MU finishing anywhere between 3rd and 6th.

https://www.thesunchronicle.com/sports/local_sports/offensive-struggles-continue-to-haunt-pc-men-s-basketball/article_bcb4e07e-8a10-514f-9a59-5d31db90a97a.html
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 27, 2020, 10:09:23 PM
https://bustingbrackets.com/2020/01/25/butler-basketball-takeaways-overtime-home-win-marquette/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jables1604 on January 27, 2020, 10:19:55 PM
True story:

When I was in high school, I dated a girl whose father was the biggest bigot I had ever met to that point in my young life. My senior year in college, my mom sent me a newspaper article he was featured in -- as having been de-hooded. Turns out he was the Imperial Wizard of the Connecticut KKK.

Hell, I just googled his name, and several articles popped up. Here's one of them:

https://apnews.com/0646450eba57e96c84a2165f74acd77b

"I Dated A Klansman's Daughter" ... Sounds like I've got a country song to write!
Shelton is one town over from me. Tons of rednecks there.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 27, 2020, 10:21:28 PM
Shelton is one town over from me. Tons of rednecks there.

I did not know that. Thanks for the info.

Also, J.W. Farrands was more than a "redneck," just as he was more than your run-of-the-mill racist.

I mean, there's racists ... and there's the Imperial Wizard of the KKK.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 28, 2020, 12:32:39 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.app.com/amp/4587850002
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 28, 2020, 03:44:40 PM
Big opportunity tonight for The Johnnies in the Garden versus Nova.

https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2020/1/28/21111068/st-johns-vs-villanova-wildcats-tv-radio-streaming-how-to-watch-scouting
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on January 28, 2020, 05:23:59 PM
Big opportunity tonight for The Johnnies in the Garden versus Nova.

https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2020/1/28/21111068/st-johns-vs-villanova-wildcats-tv-radio-streaming-how-to-watch-scouting
Big opportunity to make the nit
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 28, 2020, 05:41:29 PM
Johnnies up 11-6 15:53 left first
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 28, 2020, 06:06:44 PM
Herman

Watch a rerun of Shark Tank. Nova is not losing tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 28, 2020, 06:12:19 PM
Herman

Butler falls to Georgetown by five tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 28, 2020, 07:24:29 PM
Herman

Watch a rerun of Shark Tank. Nova is not losing tonight.
Good call. Nova picks up a decent road win.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on January 28, 2020, 08:57:52 PM
You mean your updated score 4 minutes into the 1st half didn’t hold up the entire game?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on January 28, 2020, 09:09:29 PM
Amazing what a little home cooking can do for you. Further evidence that Butler is very beatable, especially in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 28, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
Herman

Butler falls to Georgetown by five tonight.

I have to hang with you in Vegas goose...georgie up by 11 at half
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on January 28, 2020, 09:28:37 PM
I have to hang with you in Vegas goose...georgie up by 11 at half

Wow, less than 4 minutes, they blew that lead faster than we would.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 28, 2020, 09:28:50 PM
Wow, that didn’t take long. The doggies just tied it up-took all of about 4 minutes
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 28, 2020, 09:29:30 PM
Butler opens the half on a 18-3 run to take the lead on CBSSN.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 28, 2020, 09:29:55 PM
Wow, less than 4 minutes, they blew that lead faster than we would.

Beat me to it dj, but love the analogy.  That’s gotta make us feel a little better🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on January 28, 2020, 09:41:03 PM
Butler opens the half on a 18-3 run to take the lead on CBSSN.

Better for MU if the bottom 4 continue to lose.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on January 28, 2020, 10:06:59 PM
Better for MU if the bottom 4 continue to lose.
And they do. Bottom scrubs keep losin
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 28, 2020, 10:15:53 PM
Solid win for Butler on the road
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on January 28, 2020, 10:17:14 PM
Man if I don't know any better I would have thought that was us in DC tonight.  Play a great first half and build a double digit lead at half, blow it all in the first 4 minutes of the second half.  Play it tight the next 15 minutes only to get outscored by 5 while going 0-5 from the field in the last 60 seconds.  That's right out of our playbook.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 28, 2020, 11:07:25 PM
Man if I don't know any better I would have thought that was us in DC tonight.  Play a great first half and build a double digit lead at half, blow it all in the first 4 minutes of the second half.  Play it tight the next 15 minutes only to get outscored by 5 while going 0-5 from the field in the last 60 seconds.  That's right out of our playbook.

We were just in DC. And, like Butler, we won there -- right out of our playbook.

Georgetown played one of its best games against us to keep it close. Our guys kept their cool, made plays down the stretch, and got a nice road win in front of a hostile crowd. I was there, and it was fun to be a Warrior who got to smile at all the GT fans as I walked out.

We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 28, 2020, 11:24:13 PM
Georgetown played one of its best games against us to keep it close. Our guys kept their cool, made plays down the stretch, and got a nice road win in front of a hostile crowd. I was there, and it was fun to be a Warrior who got to smile at all the GT fans as I walked out.

You lost me at "hostile crowd." Other than the wasteland that is the Wintrust Arena, there is not a lesser home court advantage in the Big East than at the Capital One Arena, where Georgetown's average attendance has fallen by a whopping 40% in the last seven years.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 28, 2020, 11:30:48 PM
You lost me at "hostile crowd." Other than the wasteland that is the Wintrust Arena, there is not a lesser home court advantage in the Big East than at the Capital One Arena, where Georgetown's average attendance has fallen by a whopping 40% in the last seven years.

Were you there? I was. The crowd was jacked up, especially in the second half as the teams kept trading mini-runs. When GT took the lead with a few minutes to go, it was loud. The Warriors did a great job keeping their cool and pulling it out.

But sure ... even if one doesn't think the crowd was hostile ... it was still a great road win. No "worse" than the one Butler just earned.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 29, 2020, 12:03:20 AM
CountryRoads

It will be awfully hard to get the “expected “ seven BE teams into NCAA if bottom four keep losing. Wonder if the gang is still figuring out how seven get in. Also, if bottom keep losing, MU better not slip against one of them or it could be very costly.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 29, 2020, 06:33:38 AM
Were you there? I was. The crowd was jacked up, especially in the second half as the teams kept trading mini-runs. When GT took the lead with a few minutes to go, it was loud. The Warriors did a great job keeping their cool and pulling it out.

Attendance: 5,329.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on January 29, 2020, 08:12:34 AM
CountryRoads

It will be awfully hard to get the “expected “ seven BE teams into NCAA if bottom four keep losing. Wonder if the gang is still figuring out how seven get in. Also, if bottom keep losing, MU better not slip against one of them or it could be very costly.

Agreed. The conf is turning out to be much more polarized than anticipated. Haves and have nots rather than a bunch of teams beating each other up. That does ramp up the pressure in terms of securing the "should win" games rather than an anybody can beat anybody landscape.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: UWW2MU on January 29, 2020, 08:59:51 AM
Attendance: 5,329.

This seems like a silly thing to jump into the middle of... but I had a minute to kill and I was curious because it seemed like more than 5k on tv.    Box score says attendance 12,514.   
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 29, 2020, 09:07:12 AM
Better for MU if the bottom 4 continue to lose.
Sure.
Yet, I wanted the bottom to start winning to make the league 7 or 8 bids. As of know, that will not be the case.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 29, 2020, 09:08:31 AM
This seems like a silly thing to jump into the middle of... but I had a minute to kill and I was curious because it seemed like more than 5k on tv.    Box score says attendance 12,514.   

I think some are talking the MU/GTown game (12,514), while other's are talking about last night BU/GTown game.(5,329).
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 29, 2020, 09:09:50 AM
You lost me at "hostile crowd." Other than the wasteland that is the Wintrust Arena, there is not a lesser home court advantage in the Big East than at the Capital One Arena, where Georgetown's average attendance has fallen by a whopping 40% in the last seven years.

I heard they don't bus students for free to the game anymore?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MUfan12 on January 29, 2020, 09:10:09 AM
For G'town? I read it as 5,329.

That was the game last night. 82 was talking about the MU game there, which drew over 12,000.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 29, 2020, 09:10:27 AM
Ahh... Hoya didn't realize were talking the MU @ GU game.  5,329 was the butler game. Maybe not as hostile.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: UWW2MU on January 29, 2020, 09:14:13 AM
I think some are talking the MU/GTown game (12,514), while other's are talking about last night BU/GTown game.(5,329).

That's weird.   Georgetown page listed at the 12k number.

http://www.guhoyas.com/mens-basketball/2019-20/boxscore/vs-marquette/14443/pdf


*edit: ok, I should have kept reading the posts.  Looks like some confusion there on which game they were discussing.   This is why I knew I shouldn't interject!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 29, 2020, 09:14:26 AM
That was the game last night. 82 was talking about the MU game there, which drew over 12,000.

Ya, I change my post. I had to re-read everything, as some were talking about two different games.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 29, 2020, 09:16:08 AM
That's weird.   Georgetown page listed at the 12k number.

http://www.guhoyas.com/mens-basketball/2019-20/boxscore/vs-marquette/14443/pdf

Correct for the MU game. Last night was not that. Everyone is talking two different games. The Hoya fan came on talking about last night's poor crowd. No shock to me as it was a local 9:05pm start. I guess us MU fans can't bitch about 8pm game.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 29, 2020, 09:20:42 AM
Agreed. The conf is turning out to be much more polarized than anticipated. Haves and have nots rather than a bunch of teams beating each other up. That does ramp up the pressure in terms of securing the "should win" games rather than an anybody can beat anybody landscape.

Xavier was rated top 20 for the first six weeks of the season but they've started conference play similar to last season. Alas, Steele is still their coach and they underwhelm.

DePaul was a surprise cinderella in December and people, weirdly, assumed that would translate to conference. Alas, no one loses Big East games better than DePaul.

Drops you from thinking seven could make it to thinking it'll probably be five.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2020, 10:17:58 AM
Mamu going to slowly work his way back in the lineup for The Hall

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/28/sandro-mamukelashvili-returning-as-seton-hall-gets-more-dangerous/amp/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2020, 10:44:48 AM
Attendance: 5,329.

Incorrect. In your haste to try to prove me wrong, you didn't even get the right crowd for the game that was being discussed.

Everyone is talking two different games.

Again, the MU-GT game had an excellent, loud, animated crowd of 12K+.

I didn't claim it was the win of the century, simply a very good conference win in a hostile environment.

It had been implied that Butler had done something we didn't ... and I agree. They absolutely annihilated Georgetown by 5, whereas we only squeaked out a 4-point win.

We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 29, 2020, 11:05:10 AM
I didn't say anything about what you claimed. I was just trying to get the attendance counts correct for what game people were talking about. I do agree, the MU @GT crowd on a Saturday was great. The grey out and such. Anytime winning on the road is big!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 29, 2020, 11:59:39 AM
CountryRoads

It will be awfully hard to get the “expected “ seven BE teams into NCAA if bottom four keep losing. Wonder if the gang is still figuring out how seven get in. Also, if bottom keep losing, MU better not slip against one of them or it could be very costly.

5 looks likely at this point. MU, Nova, SHU, Creighton, Butler.

I wouldn't be surprised at 6 if X, PC or DP can go on a run. X seems the most likely but hopefully we bury them further tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2020, 12:26:15 PM
5 looks likely at this point. MU, Nova, SHU, Creighton, Butler.

I wouldn't be surprised at 6 if X, PC or DP can go on a run. X seems the most likely but hopefully we bury them further tonight.
Worth noting that the committee puts equal weighting on non con and conference games. So that is why non con performance is so critical. Once you get into conference hard to get traction. All of the bottom teams in the league had some good quality wins in non conference which look good on the resume. So for example The Johnnies suck, but to their benefit they have the wins over Arizona and West Virginia. Same with DePaul which has Minnesota and Iowa on their resume.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on January 29, 2020, 12:28:17 PM
What Herman said. Some of these lower level teams do have some solid wins.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2020, 12:29:11 PM
I didn't say anything about what you claimed. I was just trying to get the attendance counts correct for what game people were talking about. I do agree, the MU @GT crowd on a Saturday was great. The grey out and such. Anytime winning on the road is big!

Wasn't trying to accuse you of anything; sorry if there was a little miscommunication between us.

X seems the most likely but hopefully we bury them further tonight.

X can go undefeated ... starting with Saturday's game vs SH!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2020, 05:35:19 PM
The emergence of Romaro Gill as a force has taken Seton Hall another level.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on January 29, 2020, 06:29:00 PM
DePaul beating SH by 1 at the half......29-28.....it wasn’t pretty
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2020, 06:30:25 PM
DePaul 29 The Hall 28 Halftime
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 29, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
DePaul is going to be tough out for MU, both home and away.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on January 29, 2020, 06:59:42 PM
DePaul up 7 with 15 min left.

I smell a seton Hall comeback.

To be fair hall has been down multiple times in games late and managed come backs. Good for them for finishing games.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on January 29, 2020, 07:00:42 PM
DePaul The entire Big East is going to be tough out for MU, both home and away.
Fixed it for you
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on January 29, 2020, 07:00:53 PM
DePaul is like most teams in this conference......when they are good they are really good......depends which version shows up on a given day.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on January 29, 2020, 07:02:34 PM
Another dude's hair shouldn't bother me, but that little turd piece hangin off powell's dome is maddddd questionable
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on January 29, 2020, 07:05:34 PM
MuMark

I like their style of play and feel how they play is difficult for us. They made major improvements this season and deserve some credit.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2020, 07:09:18 PM
DePaul 41 The Hall 38 11:54 left.

Paul Reed has 4 fouls.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on January 29, 2020, 07:10:08 PM
DePaul 41 The Hall 38 11:54 left.

Paul Reed has 4 fouls.
Hall starting to get some home cookin’
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on January 29, 2020, 07:10:10 PM
Of course Hall is shooting 17% from 3.

Why never against us.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2020, 07:18:42 PM
DePaul 48 The Hall 45 8:08 left second.

Hard fought Big East battle.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on January 29, 2020, 07:20:55 PM
Markus has off games, but this Powell performance is putrid. He had another ugly one a few games ago too.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 29, 2020, 07:29:09 PM
Another dude's hair shouldn't bother me, but that little turd piece hangin off powell's dome is maddddd questionable

Yup. Have been saying this since the start of the year. He thinks he’s cute with that and the rolled up shorts. Kinda weird for a guy who tries to be all tough.

No surprise here, T’s flying in a SHU game. Would be interested to see how many T’s are called in games they’re involved in compared to the rest of the country.

Would love to see SHU as a 3 seed and a Powell T cost them in a first round upset. Eff that guy and eff Willard.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 29, 2020, 07:30:29 PM
Both Ts were rather weak though.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 29, 2020, 07:31:03 PM
Both Ts were rather weak though.

True.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on January 29, 2020, 07:32:59 PM
Powell just sealed it.

Analysts will talk about how great he was this game.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2020, 07:33:56 PM
The Hall 58 DePaul 51 4:25 left second

12-1 run for The Hall

Crowd loud and making a difference.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on January 29, 2020, 07:49:37 PM
Powell just sealed it.

Analysts will talk about how great he was this game.

“Big time players step up in big games. Second leading scorer doing what he does!”
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2020, 07:51:52 PM
Solid win for The Hall 64-57

Fun game to watch.
 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2020, 07:54:21 PM
32-16 finish.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2020, 08:38:50 PM
Seton Hall are dirt bags However ,it would be great for the Big East if they went deep into the tournament this year. If they keep up this pace, they could get a decent seed which would help the leagues cause. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 29, 2020, 08:44:15 PM
Seton Hall are dirt bags However ,it would be great for the Big East if they went deep into the tournament this year. If they keep up this pace, they could get a decent seed which would help the leagues cause.

You really need to learn the English language.

Calling wins over Presbyterian "solid"

but keeping up a 2 seed pace would be "decent"
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2020, 12:21:01 AM
Powell just sealed it.


He couldn't hit shots most of the game, not even FTs. But he kept chuckin'. Because shooters gotta shoot.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2020/01/29/seton-hall-depaul-basketball/4594920002/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BLM on January 31, 2020, 08:12:07 AM
Didn’t see this posted elsewhere but DePaul got a commitment this week from a top 50 wing in the class of 2020. Looks like the checks are finally clearing for the Blue Demons.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 31, 2020, 02:45:07 PM
Didn’t see this posted elsewhere but DePaul got a commitment this week from a top 50 wing in the class of 2020. Looks like the checks are finally clearing for the Blue Demons.
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Keon-Edwards-DePaul-Commitment-142803552/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 01, 2020, 10:18:09 AM
Seton Hall is still sleeping on Fox. Down 17-2
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 01, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59211.msg1202827#msg1202827
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 01, 2020, 11:31:48 AM
Xavier looking strong, going right at Hall.

Powell not looking great. But announcers are all over him talking about how he makes everyone so much better  ::) then taking a direct shot at Markus saying other NPOY candidates don’t make their teams better and Winston and Powell are head and shoulders above everyone else
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 01, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
Creighton up on #8 Villanova 31-14 on FS1.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on February 01, 2020, 11:58:50 AM
X up 14 with 4 minutes to go.

McKnight went out for the Hall with a knee injury.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
X up 14 with 4 minutes to go.

McKnight went out for the Hall with a knee injury.

Second straight game X benefited from a good player on its opponent having to leave with an injury. This time, they were able to take advantage.

SH didn't have anybody as good as Koby or Sacar to step up. They only had Powell!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 01, 2020, 12:12:41 PM
Second straight game X benefited from a good player on its opponent having to leave with an injury. This time, they were able to take advantage.

SH didn't have anybody as good as Koby or Sacar to step up. They only had Powell!

You going to say this on every thread??

You’re acting like this wasn’t wire to wire domination and that McKnight got hurt at the tip
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
You going to say this on every thread??

You’re acting like this wasn’t wire to wire domination and that McKnight got hurt at the tip

I said it on 2 threads. Which I guess is every.

SH missed McNight, but X played so well it probably made no difference. Just interesting to me that the same team benefited in two consecutive games from its opponent losing a good player. It's sports. Stuff happens.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 01, 2020, 12:16:56 PM
I said it on 2 threads. Which I guess is every.

SH missed McNight, but X played so well it probably made no difference. Just interesting to me that the same team benefited in two consecutive games from its opponent losing a good player. It's sports. Stuff happens.

But they didnt miss him. X was in control before his injury and stayed in control after.

They will miss him, but this was a loss either way.

Much, much different then Markus going down with 12 minutes to play in a game that had been a complete battle for 28 min.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 12:21:32 PM
But they didnt miss him. X was in control before his injury and stayed in control after.

They will miss him, but this was a loss either way.

Much, much different then Markus going down with 12 minutes to play in a game that had been a complete battle for 28 min.

Seton Hall did close within 7-8 on at least a couple of occasions. You don't think McNight might have helped extend that rally?

Look, I'm not willing to die on this hill. You don't think there's any way possible McNight might have helped. That's cool. We disagree. But I do agree with you that it's different than us missing Markus, who is an All-American. Us winning on the road without the nation's leading scorer was outstanding, and a testimony to the heart of Wojo's team.

You are free to have the last word if you want. I gotta go get ready to cheer on our Warriors.

We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 01, 2020, 12:26:51 PM
Seton Hall did close within 7-8 on at least a couple of occasions. You don't think McNight might have helped extend that rally?

Look, I'm not willing to die on this hill. You don't think there's any way possible McNight might have helped. That's cool. We disagree. But I do agree with you that it's different than us missing Markus, who is an All-American. Us winning on the road without the nation's leading scorer was outstanding, and a testimony to the heart of Wojo's team.

You are free to have the last word if you want. I gotta go get ready to cheer on our Warriors.

We Are Marquette!

I'm just stating what the game showed. And not trying to discredit one of the leagues best wins so far(which also ultimately helps us)

X answered every run and McKnight got hurt when down 11.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on February 01, 2020, 12:47:06 PM
Creighton continues to impress. Up 9 at Nova with 2:45 to go.

They are good
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 12:52:29 PM
No, MU lost to them because MU is bad, not because Creighton is good.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on February 01, 2020, 12:52:52 PM
Doesn't Villanova know that they should EXPECT to win at home and there is NO EXCUSE for losing to a team that they are BETTER than AT HOME???

/end guru
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 01, 2020, 12:59:14 PM
But they didnt miss him. X was in control before his injury and stayed in control after.

They will miss him, but this was a loss either way.

Much, much different then Markus going down with 12 minutes to play in a game that had been a complete battle for 28 min.
But in the X thread you agreed with MU82 and said SH was going to win when C was  up by a lot.  So...
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 01, 2020, 01:01:15 PM
But in the X thread you agreed with MU82 and said SH was going to win when up by a lot.  So...

Yeah I thought they were going to comeback......right after hafltime.......when they were on a 20-5 run. X immediately answered....then they answered again.....and again........then McKnight got hurt......with 6 min left.....which was 2 more points and 13 less minutes to work with....

So...
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 01:02:58 PM
Creighton continues to impress. Up 9 at Nova with 2:45 to go.

They are good

Yes. Creighton was a 7 point underdog. Massively outperformed that line. Dominated Nova.

Nova is not the Nova of past. AP ranking irrelevant - they are probably a 25-30ish

Creighton very well may be best team in league...
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2020, 02:13:37 PM
Big win for X
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: forgetful on February 01, 2020, 02:27:25 PM
The home team either lost, or is currently losing in every Big East game today.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2020, 03:21:55 PM
Solid win for Cooley & Company
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 01, 2020, 03:22:44 PM
That Providence win should help the conference bigly.  Move them up a quad (or get them closer)
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2020, 04:19:59 PM
Great day for the league with the road wins. I think net overall it helps the cause for all.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2020, 05:16:28 PM
Denzel Mahoney has been a nice addition to the Creighton roster . He has length and a big body to go along with scoring skills .

Good win for the Blue Jays today over Nova.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 01, 2020, 05:23:14 PM
Yeah I thought they were going to comeback......right after hafltime.......when they were on a 20-5 run. X immediately answered....then they answered again.....and again........then McKnight got hurt......with 6 min left.....which was 2 more points and 13 less minutes to work with....

So...

PGsHeroes32 is Dodds, confirmed.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 05:35:03 PM
Great day for the league with the road wins. I think net overall it helps the cause for all.

Thank goodness Wojo's team held serve at home.

Great win for our Warriors on a day that other teams lost games they NEVER SHOULD HAVE.

Lotsa coaches gotta get fired today, but I guess that means Wojo gets a raise?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 01, 2020, 05:59:13 PM
PGsHeroes32 is Dodds, confirmed.

That guy thought Sandy Cohen was NBA

I thought Sandy Cohen was our 10th best player
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2020, 06:54:04 PM
Today was definitely the best of all worlds for MU. Our resume keeps improving. The rest of our schedule should be all Q1 and Q2 now. Plenty of opportunities for quality wins .

We also want the league as a whole to be as strong as possible .  More teams in tournament means more money and more visibility  for the league .


Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on February 01, 2020, 07:19:13 PM
Doesn't Villanova know that they should EXPECT to win at home and there is NO EXCUSE for losing to a team that they are BETTER than AT HOME???

/end guru

Aren't you adorable.. How about you just give it a rest. It's about what MU should do...always. What other teams may or may not do is TOTALLY irrelevant...got it?? How does Nova losing at home to a GOOD Creighton team have any bearing on whether or not there would have been NO EXCUSE for MU to lose to last place DuhPaul at home today??

It's like trying to use the transitive property. Because Nova loses at home to a GOOD basketball team, there should be no excuse for that. Wrong. What happened today?? MU played bad...they couldn't shoot. Guess what happened?? THEY STILL WON. You know why?? Because as I said, they were never going to lose and if they had, there would have been no excuse for it..NONE whatsoever.

Even though you and others would have shrugged your shoulders and said "eh, no big deal, it happens". Whatever.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: 4everDawson on February 02, 2020, 12:04:14 AM
Aren't you adorable.. How about you just give it a rest. It's about what MU should do...always. What other teams may or may not do is TOTALLY irrelevant...got it?? How does Nova losing at home to a GOOD Creighton team have any bearing on whether or not there would have been NO EXCUSE for MU to lose to last place DuhPaul at home today??

It's like trying to use the transitive property. Because Nova loses at home to a GOOD basketball team, there should be no excuse for that. Wrong. What happened today?? MU played bad...they couldn't shoot. Guess what happened?? THEY STILL WON. You know why?? Because as I said, they were never going to lose and if they had, there would have been no excuse for it..NONE whatsoever.

Even though you and others would have shrugged your shoulders and said "eh, no big deal, it happens". Whatever.

hook, line, and sinker
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on February 02, 2020, 12:34:51 AM
Today was definitely the best of all worlds for MU. Our resume keeps improving. The rest of our schedule should be all Q1 and Q2 now. Plenty of opportunities for quality wins .

We also want the league as a whole to be as strong as possible .  More teams in tournament means more money and more visibility  for the league .

BE had a great non-con but it really separated into a clear top and bottom half in the first half of conference play. It was inevitable that since the calendar turned over to 2020, the BE teams collectively would go .500 the rest of the way (with the exception of those random Nova non-con games). However, it'd be nice to see either Providence and/or Xavier make a bit of a run and get in the tournament. Seven teams is the max this year with five being the most likely. A decent chance at six.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on February 02, 2020, 10:01:43 AM
hook, line, and sinker
His logic is unassailable, isn't it?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 02, 2020, 02:15:38 PM
SJU and Georgetown still have enough cache to be on CBS on Superbowl Sunday.
And they put on quite a show for a couple of bottom dwellers.   Congratulations to the Hoyas.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2020, 02:38:28 PM
Damn Gtown came back down 17 in that one. Without McClung.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Sixteen2One on February 02, 2020, 03:32:03 PM
SJU wears themselves out first 30 mins and then has to try and hold on for dear life. Didnt work out today.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2020, 03:39:53 PM
Solid road win for Ewing and Associates in the Garden versus The Johnnies. Good visibility for The Big East. Would love to see those tv ratings when they come out.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-men-s-basketball-earns-upset-win-at-no-villanova/article_524124a3-cb34-5e7e-af7a-fd4d4fc78c5e.html
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 04, 2020, 11:15:10 AM
X and DePaul Preview

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4641592002
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on February 04, 2020, 06:43:28 PM
WhoaJoe

What is your take on DePaul and X. A lot of us are curious on your thoughts on this game.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Silent Verbal on February 04, 2020, 06:51:33 PM
WhoaJoe

What is your take on DePaul and X. A lot of us are curious on your thoughts on this game.

A certain someone has said multiple times this season that we’ll probably drop one to DePaul, so it made a lot of sense for WhoaJoe to go into full damage control mode *before* the MU game on Saturday, talking about what a difficult trap game it was going to be.  Hell, if you bought what he was selling, you’d think our home victory over the Blue Demons was practically an upset.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 04, 2020, 07:05:57 PM
A certain someone has said multiple times this season that we’ll probably drop one to DePaul, so it made a lot of sense for WhoaJoe to go into full damage control mode *before* the MU game on Saturday, talking about what a difficult trap game it was going to be.  Hell, if you bought what he was selling, you’d think our home victory over the Blue Demons was practically an upset.

What a joke.....

I actually said in that thread that the game didn't qualify as a trap game because I was sure Wojo and the players weren't overlooking DePaul.

That said, not knowing Markus and Greg's status, and coming off a 2OT road game after another OT road game, I simply disagreed with those who said Marquette " should " win. I figured under the circumstances it would be a close game and it was.

Some people on this site obviously aren't used to people who call it like they see it.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on February 04, 2020, 07:07:19 PM
WhoaJoe

Well said.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: DJO's Jaw on February 04, 2020, 07:12:27 PM
WhoaJoe

Well said.

Is someone paying you to be WhoaJoe’s hype man?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Goose on February 04, 2020, 07:16:14 PM
DJO

WhoaJoe is his own hype machine.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 04, 2020, 07:31:52 PM

Thanks folks, I'm here for the season.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on February 04, 2020, 07:38:29 PM
Is someone paying you to be WhoaJoe’s hype man?
I'm assuming Goose's posts are silent teal
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 04, 2020, 07:39:35 PM
WhoaJoe

Well said.

It won't work.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 04, 2020, 08:02:37 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/02/04/seton-hall-dodges-quincy-mcknight-scare-before-georgetown/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 04, 2020, 09:18:22 PM
Done pretending DePaul is decent
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 04, 2020, 09:26:52 PM
I'm assuming Goose's posts are silent teal

Goose at his best. Hilarious.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 04, 2020, 10:13:14 PM
Press X
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 04, 2020, 10:16:05 PM
X picking up a road win.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on February 05, 2020, 12:08:33 AM
DePaul missed a ton of the shots they made against us. Showed fight late to get back in the game.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 05, 2020, 09:43:26 AM
Let’s do it.  Right now.  I will donate my winnings to charity.  They will finish 8th or better.

Currently 1 game out of 9th and 2.5 games out of 8th. Demons have some work to do.
Title: Re: Big East Non Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2020, 10:14:40 AM
Currently 1 game out of 9th and 2.5 games out of 8th. Demons have some work to do.

I only wish our program was theirs!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on February 05, 2020, 11:39:48 AM
Done pretending DePaul is decent

This should have been obvious LONG ago Johnny, but welcome to the club. Anyone that really believed DePaul's non conference was anything more than a mirage, should be ashamed of themselves. A leopard doesn't change his spots.  ;D
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 05, 2020, 11:42:18 AM
This should have been obvious LONG ago Johnny, but welcome to the club. Anyone that really believed DePaul's non conference was anything more than a mirage, should be ashamed of themselves. A leopard doesn't change his spots.  ;D

It's more likely that the team imploded at adversity than this "mirage" that got them wins over three big ten teams and a big 12 team.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2020, 01:19:01 PM
There are no participation ribbons for close losses, but DePaul HAS lost a lot of close games.

On road: by 4 to MU, by 7 to SH, by 4 in OT to Nova, by 7 to StJ.

At home: by 8 to SH, by 1 to Prov, by 8 to X.

Now, of course, they won some close games in the non-con, so maybe it's law of averages catching up to them. They also led late in a number of those losses but lack the closers (and maybe the coaching) to finish.

3 and 5 (and more) years ago, they were a lost cause. I don't see them as that now. I'm not the least bit embarrassed that we had to work hard to beat them, and I expect another tough one against them next time. Any win is a good win, even over DePaul.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on February 05, 2020, 02:28:31 PM
There are no participation ribbons for close losses, but DePaul HAS lost a lot of close games.

On road: by 4 to MU, by 7 to SH, by 4 in OT to Nova, by 7 to StJ.

At home: by 8 to SH, by 1 to Prov, by 8 to X.

Now, of course, they won some close games in the non-con, so maybe it's law of averages catching up to them. They also led late in a number of those losses but lack the closers (and maybe the coaching) to finish.

3 and 5 (and more) years ago, they were a lost cause. I don't see them as that now. I'm not the least bit embarrassed that we had to work hard to beat them, and I expect another tough one against them next time. Any win is a good win, even over DePaul.
Further, unless Reed goes pro, they will have every contributor back next season other than Coleman-Lands.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on February 05, 2020, 03:14:14 PM
Further, unless Reed goes pro, they will have every contributor back next season other than Coleman-Lands.

They should also have Devin Gage back, who contributed earlier in the season but has been out quite a bit due to injuries. He's out for the year with a hand injury.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on February 05, 2020, 03:25:23 PM
Arent they losing their SOTG, dude who dances after every basket.

Not sure what the S stands for, here.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU Eagle on February 05, 2020, 03:38:39 PM
Further, unless Reed goes pro, they will have every contributor back next season other than Coleman-Lands.

If Reed comes back I believe they will be top 3 in the Big East next season. Unfortunately for them, I think Reed is gowne
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on February 05, 2020, 04:12:53 PM
They should also have Devin Gage back, who contributed earlier in the season but has been out quite a bit due to injuries. He's out for the year with a hand injury.

That dude is not good
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Retire0 on February 05, 2020, 04:19:35 PM
If Reed comes back I believe they will be top 3 in the Big East next season. Unfortunately for them, I think Reed is gowne

Good thing Oscar Lopez is coming back.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 05, 2020, 04:58:54 PM
Was at yesterday's DePaul game. Final score was nowhere near what the game felt like. DePaul down around 15 points all game until the last 90 seconds. X came out en Fuego from 3 and hit their FTs at the end, surprisingly enough. DePaul missed a ton of short jumpers and layups which just killed them.

Charlie Moore is a good pass first point guard but needs to do less showboating and more just run the offense. He also needs to have better shot selection as well as become a better shooter. Reed definitely has all the tools to be a marquee player for them if he sticks around. I don't think his 3 pt. shooting is good enough for the NBA yet but if this is a weak draft it may be better for him to go now. I didn't get the idea that the fanbase thinks Reed will go pro.

Attendance was better than past years but half the crowd was for X. I was told that is a recurring theme for this year. DePaul did have a better student turnout than in the past.

From talking with STHs around me, the frustration remains with JLP and not Leitao yet. They are kind of going through what happened to us last year in that early success raised expectations for the year only for ship to sink once the BE season started.

And Wintrust is like a HS gym compared to Fiserv.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 05, 2020, 05:22:40 PM
Arent they losing their SOTG, dude who dances after every basket.

Not sure what the S stands for, here.

Unfortunately that absolute loser is only a junior.  Feels like he's a 5th year.

Reed is getting projected as a late first rounder in a couple mocks Ive seen.  If he's around that 25-35 area, he's gone.  He was very good last year and while his stats have ticked up this year, I don't think he's made a profound leap.  I don't think he's better off staying another year.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 05, 2020, 05:24:08 PM
Should be a fun night in the Big East tonight!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on February 05, 2020, 05:44:15 PM
Should be a fun night in the Big East tonight!

I don't know about everyone else, but I am rooting for Butler tonight to beat Nova...here's why..even though I can understand the logic of rooting for Nova(to push Butler further behind MU in the standings), I want Butler to win because it then brings MU one game closer to MU. With MU playing Butler and Nova next week...my grand plan is MU wins both, Butler beats Nova tonight, and MU is then tied with Nova for 2nd in the BE. Easy peasy right??  ?-(
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on February 05, 2020, 05:50:12 PM
Should be a fun night in the Big East tonight!

Leaky ceiling delaying the game at Hinkle tonight.
Where's Buzz with his towel when you need him?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 05, 2020, 05:53:41 PM
Hinkle is a dump
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: jsglow on February 05, 2020, 05:56:22 PM
Emptying the bucket!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 05, 2020, 06:00:48 PM
Game delayed.

Where was this officiating crew when we needed them a few years ago at Providence?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 05, 2020, 06:18:41 PM
Baldwin 1 for 6 vs. Nova.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on February 05, 2020, 06:31:20 PM
Baldwin 1 for 6 vs. Nova.
How is Nova handling the pick and roll?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on February 05, 2020, 06:46:44 PM
Sure am glad we got Purdue in Milwaukee and not West Lafayette, entirely different team.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2020, 06:50:17 PM
Baldwin 1 for 6 vs. Nova.

Didn't Baldwin only have 2 points or something against us in the first half?

Maybe Nova has found the secret to stopping him, but we'll see at game's end.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on February 05, 2020, 07:07:02 PM
Baldwin 1 for 6 vs. Nova.

That's pretty good for him tbh
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 05, 2020, 07:12:13 PM
Leaky ceiling delaying the game at Hinkle tonight.
Where's Buzz with his towel when you need him?

Buzz mops but he doesn’t wipe.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 05, 2020, 07:14:27 PM
Providence up on Creighton 48-45 on FSN.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 05, 2020, 07:33:37 PM
I wish Markus could get the calls on drives that Gillespie does.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 05, 2020, 07:35:36 PM
butler up 10 with 5 min to go at villanova
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 05, 2020, 07:36:58 PM
if butler hangs on, that woulda made a win at butler all the more huge'r
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on February 05, 2020, 07:42:16 PM
Creighton 6-24 from 3.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 05, 2020, 07:47:15 PM
Cooley showing his good buddy McDermott whose boss tonight .
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuMark on February 05, 2020, 07:52:40 PM
Trying to make sense of anything in this conference is impossible.

Baldwin hots a step back 3 to beat nova at the buzzer.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 05, 2020, 07:52:56 PM
butler up 10 with 5 min to go at villanova

oops, at hinkle-butler at the buzzer
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Carl on February 05, 2020, 07:53:22 PM
Nova-Butler was a phenomenal game.  Step back 3 buzzer beater (to also push my Nova +3 bet)
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 05, 2020, 07:53:31 PM
Wow!
Onions!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on February 05, 2020, 07:54:05 PM
oops, at hinkle-butler at the buzzer

This would have happened to MU had Wojo not fouled. Instead Baldwin missed 1/2 and MU had the last shot. Excellent coaching, Wojo!!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on February 05, 2020, 07:54:35 PM
Everything is working out great for MU right now...a Nova loss means MU is within 1 of them, and a Creighton loss and Butler and PC wins mean, Creighton, MU, Butler, and PC are all 6-4. It's all right in front of MU now
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 05, 2020, 07:54:54 PM
ohhh, thats 2 L's in a row for the 'cats-fire jay wright darn it!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 05, 2020, 07:55:29 PM
Baldwin recovered fairly well.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 05, 2020, 07:56:23 PM
This would have happened to MU had Wojo not fouled. Instead Baldwin missed 1/2 and MU had the last shot. Excellent coaching, Wojo!!

so you're the one with the sign in the window
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 05, 2020, 07:58:33 PM
Potential logjam at 6 - 4.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on February 05, 2020, 08:02:43 PM
Trying to make sense of anything in this conference is impossible.

Baldwin hots a step back 3 to beat nova at the buzzer.
Shhhhh, Bee Jay doesn't like that guy.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on February 05, 2020, 08:18:18 PM
Shhhhh, Bee Jay doesn't like that guy.

Another blistering shooting performance of 43.3% eFG%. Dude can’t shoot
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 05, 2020, 08:23:43 PM
Tonight shows that an individual who thinks Marquette is a lock to make the NCAA tournament, and another individual who thinks Marquette has no chance to win the conference are both wrong.

This conference is exactly as advertised.

Bring on Butler.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 05, 2020, 08:28:42 PM
Solid win for Butler. Love the way things are playing out this year .
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on February 05, 2020, 08:47:16 PM
I don't know about everyone else, but I am rooting for Butler tonight to beat Nova...here's why..even though I can understand the logic of rooting for Nova(to push Butler further behind MU in the standings), I want Butler to win because it then brings MU one game closer to MU. With MU playing Butler and Nova next week...my grand plan is MU wins both, Butler beats Nova tonight, and MU is then tied with Nova for 2nd in the BE. Easy peasy right??  ?-(

If we're not finishing top 2, I don't really care if we're 3rd or 6th especially if only one game separates 3-6, so I'm with you. Cheering for results to get us closer to 2nd and Butler's win did that. Avoid 7th so you don't have to play on Wednesday at the BET.

Also, I'd rather be playing Butler off a solid home win than a heartbreaking home loss.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CAGASS24 on February 05, 2020, 09:15:45 PM
Tonight shows that an individual who thinks Marquette is a lock to make the NCAA tournament, and another individual who thinks Marquette has no chance to win the conference are both wrong.

This conference is exactly as advertised.

Bring on Butler.

not really sure how we call Predictions about future results right or wrong at present Time - agree conference is nasty and every game requires amazing prep and execution to come out on top
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2020, 09:31:44 PM
As I said about Baldwin when peeps were talkin' 'bout his first half ... let's wait till game ends.

Also, Creighton loses to that "crap team," Providence, which now had consecutive wins over ranked teams.

Any Big East win is a good win.

We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 05, 2020, 09:40:40 PM
As I said about Baldwin when peeps were talkin' 'bout his first half ... let's wait till game ends.

Also, Creighton loses to that "crap team," Providence, which now had consecutive wins over ranked teams.

Any Big East win is a good win.

We Are Marquette!

Yep. The Butler and Providence losses are extremely frustrating, especially Providence, but all you can do is learn from them at this point. If we can get 2 of the next 3 we are in great shape. Getting one would be disappointing but would still be a quality win added to the ledger.

Also, expecting to win when we play at Providence will be silly.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on February 05, 2020, 09:47:11 PM
Providence doesn’t get enough respect. They’re a decent team who had an abysmal non conference schedule that really screwed the league.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2020, 09:50:48 PM
Yep. The Butler and Providence losses are extremely frustrating, especially Providence, but all you can do is learn from them at this point. If we can get 2 of the next 3 we are in great shape. Getting one would be disappointing but would still be a quality win added to the ledger.

Also, expecting to win when we play at Providence will be silly.

Disagree with your last sentence.

I absolutely expect to win at Providence and won't be happy if we don't.

However, if we lose, I won't scream about it being the worst loss since Naismith put up the first peach basket and demand that our coach be waterboarded till he resigns.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 05, 2020, 09:52:16 PM
not really sure how we call Predictions about future results right or wrong at present Time - agree conference is nasty and every game requires amazing prep and execution to come out on top

About the lock and the no chance part at this point in time.

A good chance to make the NCAA tournament, and not much of a chance to win the conference, sure......maybe.



i
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 05, 2020, 09:53:09 PM
Disagree with your last sentence.

I absolutely expect to win at Providence and won't be happy if we don't.

However, if we lose, I won't scream about it being the worst loss since Naismith put up the first peach basket and demand that our coach be waterboarded till he resigns.

Fair enough. Based on how well Providence has played lately I wouldn't be remotely surprised to win but won't expect one. Considering how tough the conference is on the road why do you expect one?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2020, 09:58:51 PM
Fair enough. Based on how well Providence has played lately I wouldn't be remotely surprised to win but won't expect one. Considering how tough the conference is on the road why do you expect one?

I think we're the better team.

Whenever we have a realistic chance to win, I always "expect" it.

Even though I don't expect us to finish 8-0 - that's too big picture and too unlikely - I will go into each individual game expecting us to play well enough to win it.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 05, 2020, 10:19:28 PM
Even though I don't expect us to finish 8-0 - that's too big picture and too unlikely - I will go into each individual game expecting us to play well enough to win it.

Guru would be proud of you.

I hope to win every game, think MU has a chance to win most, and expect to lose some games.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 05, 2020, 10:25:44 PM
Guru would be proud of you.

I hope to win every game, think MU has a chance to win most, and expect to lose some games.

That sounds reasonable.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2020, 11:07:11 PM
Guru would be proud of you.

I hope to win every game, think MU has a chance to win most, and expect to lose some games.

My buddy guru and I already have discussed this.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on February 06, 2020, 12:21:31 PM
Kamar Baldwin... FR to Sr years... eFG%... 55.7%...49.4%..49.1%...45.2%...

Career sub 33% 3FG shooter

Hasn't been able to improve his FTrate over the years...

yuck
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 06, 2020, 12:31:37 PM
Providence doesn’t get enough respect. They’re a decent team who had an abysmal non conference schedule that really screwed the league.

If Providence & DePaul could form a non-con/con voltron they'd be like a 3 seed
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2020, 12:59:13 PM
Kamar Baldwin... FR to Sr years... eFG%... 55.7%...49.4%..49.1%...45.2%...

Career sub 33% 3FG shooter

Hasn't been able to improve his FTrate over the years...

yuck

If only we had made him look yucky instead of like the second coming of Jordan, West and Curry all rolled up into one.

Here's hoping Wojo has a plan to keep him from getting wherever he wants whenever he wants on NMD.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 06, 2020, 01:06:45 PM
Kamar Baldwin... FR to Sr years... eFG%... 55.7%...49.4%..49.1%...45.2%...

Career sub 33% 3FG shooter

Hasn't been able to improve his FTrate over the years...

yuck

That could be the reason Wojo was content with letting Kamar try winning the game from 2pt range.
If he shoots anywhere near his normal percentage, Marquette probably wins that game.

Unfortunately Kamar went God Mode.

It happens.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 06, 2020, 01:07:58 PM
That could be the reason Wojo was content with letting Kamar try winning the game from 2pt range.
If he shoots anywhere near his normal percentage, Marquette probably wins that game.

Unfortunately Kamar went God Mode.

It happens.
Felix, Jean
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2020, 01:14:15 PM
That could be the reason Wojo was content with letting Kamar try winning the game from 2pt range.
If he shoots anywhere near his normal percentage, Marquette probably wins that game.

Unfortunately Kamar went God Mode.

It happens.

Very astute!

However ...

While I can accept this reasoning for the first 2 or 3 times Baldwin scored from roughly the same spot while no attempt at all was made to get the ball out of his hands, I have a more difficult time accepting it for the next 5 or 6 times it happened.

Definition of insanity, and all of that.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 06, 2020, 01:36:54 PM
Very astute!

However ...

While I can accept this reasoning for the first 2 or 3 times Baldwin scored from roughly the same spot while no attempt at all was made to get the ball out of his hands, I have a more difficult time accepting it for the next 5 or 6 times it happened.

Definition of insanity, and all of that.

Based on the comparative inefficiency of 2pt shots and the odds of Kamar hitting all of those shots, I would say it was a calculated move that in this particular instance failed.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: buckchuckler on February 06, 2020, 01:54:41 PM
If Providence & DePaul could form a non-con/con voltron they'd be like a 3 seed

I love this imagery.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2020, 02:00:28 PM
Based on the comparative inefficiency of 2pt shots and the odds of Kamar hitting all of those shots, I would say it was a calculated move that in this particular instance failed.

Yes, you have made another fantastic point.

It did, indeed, fail.

Eight times.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on February 06, 2020, 03:12:21 PM
Very astute!

However ...

While I can accept this reasoning for the first 2 or 3 times Baldwin scored from roughly the same spot while no attempt at all was made to get the ball out of his hands, I have a more difficult time accepting it for the next 5 or 6 times it happened.

Definition of insanity, and all of that.

Agreed, we've seen Wojo switch up defensive looks with success this year, most recently vs. DePaul. I'm sure they've analyzed the film to a gut-wrenching degree and hopefully have learned from it. Next time that's happening, I'd very much like to see a different look thrown at a guy a few times down, even if you ultimately go back to your base D. Just get him out of his rhythm.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 06, 2020, 03:24:26 PM
Yep. The Butler and Providence losses are extremely frustrating, especially Providence, but all you can do is learn from them at this point. If we can get 2 of the next 3 we are in great shape. Getting one would be disappointing but would still be a quality win added to the ledger.

Also, expecting to win when we play at Providence will be silly.

Butler one is more frustrating for me.

Woulda been a huge road win especially NET wise and we led basically the whole game.

At least the Providence game was more of a “not your night” game that was close throughout and down for most of it
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2020, 03:27:06 PM
Agreed, we've seen Wojo switch up defensive looks with success this year, most recently vs. DePaul. I'm sure they've analyzed the film to a gut-wrenching degree and hopefully have learned from it. Next time that's happening, I'd very much like to see a different look thrown at a guy a few times down, even if you ultimately go back to your base D. Just get him out of his rhythm.

Here's hoping.

Butler one is more frustrating for me.

Woulda been a huge road win especially NET wise and we led basically the whole game.

At least the Providence game was more of a “not your night” game that was close throughout and down for most of it

Agreed.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 06, 2020, 03:32:24 PM
Yes, you have made another fantastic point.

It did, indeed, fail.

Eight times.

You do realize there are two ends of the court right??

If Marquette had hit one more three in that stretch they would have won the game.

Based on Wojo's offensive philosophy, that was probably part of the calculation.

You think??
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 06, 2020, 04:11:24 PM
Butler one is more frustrating for me.

Woulda been a huge road win especially NET wise and we led basically the whole game.

At least the Providence game was more of a “not your night” game that was close throughout and down for most of it

Can't argue with that.  Butler would have been the better win and would have more than made up for the Providence loss.  For Butler is moreso how we lost than that we lost. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2020, 04:11:44 PM
You do realize there are two ends of the court right??

If Marquette had hit one more three in that stretch they would have won the game.

Based on Wojo's offensive philosophy, that was probably part of the calculation.

You think??

It's the ol' "Let 'em score whenever they want; we'll just hit another 3!" strategy employed by so many championship coaches over the decades. Never fails!

Thanks for educating the rest of us, fine sir (or madam or ?)
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 06, 2020, 04:43:25 PM
It's the ol' "Let 'em score whenever they want; we'll just hit another 3!" strategy employed by so many championship coaches over the decades. Never fails!

Thanks for educating the rest of us, fine sir (or madam or ?)

No, it's the ol' willing to live with your opponent taking contested low efficiency 2pt shots while relying on your teams usually consistent 3pt shooting within the offense to carry the day strategy.

It isn't a novel idea.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on February 06, 2020, 04:51:41 PM
Thank you for your insight
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 06, 2020, 05:05:11 PM
Thank you for your insight

I don't consider pointing out the obvious to someone who is clueless particularly insightful. It really shouldn't be necessary.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 06, 2020, 06:13:35 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/4600376002
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 06, 2020, 06:27:45 PM
I don't consider pointing out the obvious to someone who is clueless particularly insightful. It really shouldn't be necessary.

Thank you for your kindness to the clueless.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 06, 2020, 06:31:10 PM
No, it's the ol' willing to live with your opponent taking contested low efficiency 2pt shots while relying on your teams usually consistent 3pt shooting within the offense to carry the day strategy.

It isn't a novel idea.

Thank you for helping the rest of us better understand basketball.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on February 06, 2020, 06:33:05 PM
Can't argue with that.  Butler would have been the better win and would have more than made up for the Providence loss.  For Butler is moreso how we lost than that we lost.

Butler loss was a heartbreaker. In my eyes, MU made that one up against Xavier though even though it technically wasn’t quite as good as far as the NET goes. They really snatched that one from defeat.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 06, 2020, 07:04:17 PM
Thank you for your kindness to the clueless.

That post was clearly intended for the clueless members of scoop, so if you're thanking me, well............
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 06, 2020, 07:11:41 PM
That post was clearly intended for the clueless members scoop, so if you're thanking me, well............

This is how you react to one thanking you for your kindness to the less fortunate? I don’t know that I’ve ever been sadder.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on February 06, 2020, 07:18:09 PM
Thank you for helping the rest of us better understand basketball.

Ypu would think on a MUBB fan site no one should have to, but there are obviously a few oblivious people still struggling to grasp the more basic concepts.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 06, 2020, 08:15:27 PM
Ypu would think on a MUBB fan site no one should have to, but there are obviously a few oblivious people still struggling to grasp the more basic concepts.

It’s (usually) a thankless job but somebody’s gotta do it. No longer. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 06, 2020, 09:04:32 PM
Butler loss was a heartbreaker. In my eyes, MU made that one up against Xavier though even though it technically wasn’t quite as good as far as the NET goes. They really snatched that one from defeat.

X n Butler a wash, providence is the real kick in the nuts. Top 20 n 7-3 in conference if they dont hit that prayer.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 06, 2020, 09:25:07 PM
It's the ol' "Let 'em score whenever they want; we'll just hit another 3!" strategy employed by so many championship coaches over the decades. Never fails!

Thanks for educating the rest of us, fine sir (or madam or ?)
LOL!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34 on February 06, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
I don't consider pointing out the obvious to someone who is clueless particularly insightful. It really shouldn't be necessary.
Thanks for your input
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 07, 2020, 12:10:44 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bannersontheparkway.com/platform/amp/2020/2/5/21120966/xavier-needs-to-hold-serve-at-cintas-to-make-the-tournament-big-east-basketball
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on February 07, 2020, 01:36:52 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bannersontheparkway.com/platform/amp/2020/2/5/21120966/xavier-needs-to-hold-serve-at-cintas-to-make-the-tournament-big-east-basketball

WHAT A SHOUT OUT TO BREW! “Analytical genius”. That’s cool stuff.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 07, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
WHAT A SHOUT OUT TO BREW! “Analytical genius”. That’s cool stuff.

 ;D ;D ;D

I'll take it, though something tells me they have a biased opinion based more on my conclusions than my body of work on the whole.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Retire0 on February 07, 2020, 04:20:59 PM
;D ;D ;D

I'll take it, though something tells me they have a biased opinion based more on my conclusions than my body of work on the whole.

Not bad for a water hose jockey.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 07, 2020, 05:34:51 PM
Seton Hall Nova Analysis

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.app.com/amp/4639934002
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 07:08:57 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/02/08/seton-hall-win-over-villanova-would-be-huge-on-all-levels/
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on February 08, 2020, 01:01:45 PM
DePaul doing what DePaul does best.  What happened to McClung?  Gtown is absolutely going to run out of gas only playing 6.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2020, 01:11:33 PM
DePaul doing what DePaul does best.  What happened to McClung?  Gtown is absolutely going to run out of gas only playing 6.

They lost the Turk today too.

Played the final like 11 minutes with 5 guys until 1 fouled out and they went with Warm Body George.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 08, 2020, 01:15:06 PM
DePaul doing what DePaul does best.  What happened to McClung?  Gtown is absolutely going to run out of gas only playing 6.
Injured his foot in practice.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on February 08, 2020, 02:08:03 PM
Conflicted on the Nova/Seton Hall game. Any team we should be particularly cheering for? If Nova lost and MU won tomorrow, that would bring MU in a tie for second place heading into the Nova game Wednesday.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: guzica on February 08, 2020, 02:09:29 PM
Seton Hall  to LOSE, Every time ! ! !  8-)
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 08, 2020, 02:14:45 PM
So why is Nova wearing Michigan hand-me-downs.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 08, 2020, 02:33:22 PM


At least the Providence game was more of a “not your night” game that was close throughout and down for most of it

See up by three with eight seconds left thread.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2020, 02:43:31 PM
See up by three with eight seconds left thread.

For what?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 03:47:17 PM
Solid road win for The Hall.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on February 08, 2020, 04:03:36 PM
Damn, strange feeling to be rooting for Nova, but really wanted them to beat Hall today. Would have made the conference race much more compelling. Hall firmly in the driver's seat now. Wild for Nova to lose 2 in a row at home. Gonna be really fired up v. MU. Crucial for MU to get the W tomorrow!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2020, 04:16:54 PM
Damn, strange feeling to be rooting for Nova, but really wanted them to beat Hall today. Would have made the conference race much more compelling. Hall firmly in the driver's seat now. Wild for Nova to lose 2 in a row at home. Gonna be really fired up v. MU. Crucial for MU to get the W tomorrow!

Yeah I wanted a Nova win there.

I was never expecting victory on Wednesday but really hard to see them losing 4 in a row with 3 of them being at home.

THey will be due to make it rain, which is kinda the norm for us on the road. Face teams/players when they blackout.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 08, 2020, 04:31:08 PM
3 losses in a row? Including the biggest game of the season at home? Fire Jay Wright!

Creighton losing big to "crap team" Providence? Fire McDermott!

Nova tried hard Saturday and lost at home. They won't try any harder Wednesday at home against us.

Each game is its own deal. We're gonna beat 'em Wednesday, but first take care of Butler tomorrow.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2020, 04:39:35 PM
Seton Hall sucks
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: buckchuckler on February 08, 2020, 04:43:30 PM
3 losses in a row? Including the biggest game of the season at home? Fire Jay Wright!

Creighton losing big to "crap team" Providence? Fire McDermott!

Does this really have to happen every time a very accomplished coach loses? 

In my opinion, it doesn't help to make any point regarding Wojo to compare him to coaches that have multiple Final Fours and National Championships on their resumes. 

Jay Wright has more NCs than Wojo has Tourney wins.  How are they comparable at all?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 04:55:27 PM
Mamu starting to get back in form for The Hall. 

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 08, 2020, 05:12:56 PM
Does this really have to happen every time a very accomplished coach loses? 

In my opinion, it doesn't help to make any point regarding Wojo to compare him to coaches that have multiple Final Fours and National Championships on their resumes. 

Jay Wright has more NCs than Wojo has Tourney wins.  How are they comparable at all?

It just gets exhausting that every MU loss is accompanied by a dozen (at least) "Wojo is the worst ever" posts, and that most wins are dismissed by "Oh, they are a crap team we should have beaten anyway."

So I guess this is my intentionally over-the-top counter to it.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 08, 2020, 05:15:12 PM
It just gets exhausting that every MU loss is accompanied by a dozen (at least) "Wojo is the worst ever" posts, and that most wins are dismissed by "Oh, they are a crap team we should have beaten anyway."

So I guess this is my intentionally over-the-top counter to it.



Which is just as exhausting.  So...congrats???
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 08, 2020, 05:24:13 PM
It just gets exhausting that every MU loss is accompanied by a dozen (at least) "Wojo is the worst ever" posts, and that most wins are dismissed by "Oh, they are a crap team we should have beaten anyway."

So I guess this is my intentionally over-the-top counter to it.

It has gotten a little obnoxious at this point. It’s great that you are a strong Wojo backer, but, when you consistently do this thing with very accomplished coaches - it rings hollow.

The frustrations and complaints here will markedly decrease once Wojo gets us to a Sweet 16, Elite 8, etc. the patience/tolerance leash gets much longer at that point.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on February 08, 2020, 05:34:45 PM
Does this really have to happen every time a very accomplished coach loses? 

In my opinion, it doesn't help to make any point regarding Wojo to compare him to coaches that have multiple Final Fours and National Championships on their resumes. 

Jay Wright has more NCs than Wojo has Tourney wins.  How are they comparable at all?

And the reverse, when Wojo loses a game (players usually lose by the way) do we need the histrionics from some here.   Right back at you.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on February 08, 2020, 05:36:00 PM
It has gotten a little obnoxious at this point. It’s great that you are a strong Wojo backer, but, when you consistently do this thing with very accomplished coaches - it rings hollow.

The frustrations and complaints here will markedly decrease once Wojo gets us to a Sweet 16, Elite 8, etc. the patience/tolerance leash gets much longer at that point.

Then shut your mouth until March comes around where he has a chance to actually do it.....otherwise it is obnoxious and exhausting.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 08, 2020, 05:36:30 PM
I will try to do this less because I understand that ...

... oh wait ...

Fire Bob Huggins!
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 08, 2020, 05:43:46 PM
For what?

Cuz the PC game was won, then blown. My point being I thought that loss was worse. But, to each his own.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2020, 05:49:23 PM
Cuz the PC game was won, then blown. My point being I thought that loss was worse. But, to each his own.

Nothing what I said in your quote was incorrect. It was a back and forth game and one that we trailed more often than led.

The game wasn't blown. Dude hit a tough shot he doesnt normally hit.

Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 08, 2020, 05:50:28 PM
Yeah I wanted a Nova win there.

I was never expecting victory on Wednesday but really hard to see them losing 4 in a row with 3 of them being at home.

THey will be due to make it rain, which is kinda the norm for us on the road. Face teams/players when they blackout.

Agree, except that a Nova loss gives us a shot at second.

We’ll need to bring it Wednesday.
My only hope is that we’re 7 - 4 when we meet them.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 08, 2020, 06:12:02 PM
Creighton leading St. John's on CBSSN, 49-43. Early in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: buckchuckler on February 08, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
It just gets exhausting that every MU loss is accompanied by a dozen (at least) "Wojo is the worst ever" posts, and that most wins are dismissed by "Oh, they are a crap team we should have beaten anyway."

So I guess this is my intentionally over-the-top counter to it.

Well that is definitely true, so fair enough.  But should making this place as obnoxious as possible be the goal?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: buckchuckler on February 08, 2020, 06:15:05 PM
I will try to do this less because I understand that ...

... oh wait ...

Fire Bob Huggins!

Can't lie.  I laughed.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 06:35:15 PM
The Johnnies and Creighton in a shootout 65-60 Creighton 10:24 left second
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on February 08, 2020, 06:54:31 PM
I will try to do this less because I understand that ...

... oh wait ...

Fire Bob Huggins!

SMH, this gets so exhausting reading this every single time a Coach loses a game. Look, you're going to counter with "it gets equally exhausting reading fire Wojo after every loss". Me personally, I have said numerous times, my biggest issue is losing games at home against teams you should absolutely beat. like Providence. If you think this is exclusive to MU fans and this board, I suggest you "get out more" and read other message boards. In fact, I was on the Memphis board earlier...and guess what?? They went Penny gone, and have said that it is INEXCUSABLE to lose games at home to South Florida, SMU and Georgia. All teams they feel they should have/and expected to beat at home.

Go visit the Indiana board and see what they are saying about losing to Purdue at home today( a team that couldn't win a road game to save their life this year). It goes on everywhere Mike.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, there is nothing that makes me more pissed off following my favorite teams then when they drop a game at home to someone they had no business losing to. Because almost inevitably it ends up costing you something significant at the end of the year. It's uncanny, how it's correlated. Just one quick example from this very season in the NFL...The Packers only home loss this year was to the Eagles, a team that had no business walking into Lambeau and winning. I was pissed, I knew at the time it would cost them something significant..Lo and behold..guess what?? They win that game, they play the NFC Championship game at home instead of in SF.

You're a Coach, so you should know this, but ask any Coach in any sport, and they will tell you the #1 most important thing you can do is win games at home. Especially against teams you have no business losing to. Now you will say (it happens...Duke vs SFA). Sure, it happens, but me personally, I couldn't care less about who else loses to who on their home floor/field. It does NOTHING to make me say "oh well then that Excuses the Packers or MU for losing that game at home to (insert crap opponent). I want my teams to be better than that.

It is 100% complete fallacy and not even possible to do when people say "well, they just have to get that back on the road somewhere". Doesn't work like that. Once you lose a game at home, there isn't anything you can do to "make up for it". Nothing, it's gone. It's like people who say "I gotta catch up on some sleep". That's an impossibility, once you lose it, there's no "catching up" or getting it back.

Had MU not lost that game at home to PC...where would they be right now?? 6-3 and with a win tomorrow, in 2nd place, and only two games behind Hall for 1st...that's doable. But instead, they are tied for third currently and 3 games behind Hall...a significant difference.

So yes, losing games at home to teams you have ZERO business losing to is maddening, frustrating and it infuriates me(and obviously fans from other schools to). Again, it will almost always end up costing you something by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 06:56:39 PM
Creighton pulling away from The Johnnies 87-72 4:12 left
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2020, 07:04:04 PM
SMH, this gets so exhausting reading this every single time a Coach loses a game. Look, you're going to counter with "it gets equally exhausting reading fire Wojo after every loss". Me personally, I have said numerous times, my biggest issue is losing games at home against teams you should absolutely beat. like Providence. If you think this is exclusive to MU fans and this board, I suggest you "get out more" and read other message boards. In fact, I was on the Memphis board earlier...and guess what?? They went Penny gone, and have said that it is INEXCUSABLE to lose games at home to South Florida, SMU and Georgia. All teams they feel they should have/and expected to beat at home.

Go visit the Indiana board and see what they are saying about losing to Purdue at home today( a team that couldn't win a road game to save their life this year). It goes on everywhere Mike.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, there is nothing that makes me more pissed off following my favorite teams then when they drop a game at home to someone they had no business losing to. Because almost inevitably it ends up costing you something significant at the end of the year. It's uncanny, how it's correlated. Just one quick example from this very season in the NFL...The Packers only home loss this year was to the Eagles, a team that had no business walking into Lambeau and winning. I was pissed, I knew at the time it would cost them something significant..Lo and behold..guess what?? They win that game, they play the NFC Championship game at home instead of in SF.

You're a Coach, so you should know this, but ask any Coach in any sport, and they will tell you the #1 most important thing you can do is win games at home. Especially against teams you have no business losing to. Now you will say (it happens...Duke vs SFA). Sure, it happens, but me personally, I couldn't care less about who else loses to who on their home floor/field. It does NOTHING to make me say "oh well then that Excuses the Packers or MU for losing that game at home to (insert crap opponent). I want my teams to be better than that.

It is 100% complete fallacy and not even possible to do when people say "well, they just have to get that back on the road somewhere". Doesn't work like that. Once you lose a game at home, there isn't anything you can do to "make up for it". Nothing, it's gone. It's like people who say "I gotta catch up on some sleep". That's an impossibility, once you lose it, there's no "catching up" or getting it back.

Had MU not lost that game at home to PC...where would they be right now?? 6-3 and with a win tomorrow, in 2nd place, and only two games behind Hall for 1st...that's doable. But instead, they are tied for third currently and 3 games behind Hall...a significant difference.

So yes, losing games at home to teams you have ZERO business losing to is maddening, frustrating and it infuriates me(and obviously fans from other schools to). Again, it will almost always end up costing you something by the end of the year.

You sound soft
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on February 08, 2020, 07:08:20 PM
It has gotten a little obnoxious at this point. It’s great that you are a strong Wojo backer, but, when you consistently do this thing with very accomplished coaches - it rings hollow.

The frustrations and complaints here will markedly decrease once Wojo gets us to a Sweet 16, Elite 8, etc. the patience/tolerance leash gets much longer at that point.

You’re wrong.

It’s OK when the Anti-Wojo crowd makes new threads and posts.

But if someone who just wants to point out “WE DONT SUCK!” Everyone complains. Get over it. Teams lose. Go dunk somewhere else. You’re weak.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on February 08, 2020, 07:10:08 PM
And the reverse, when Wojo loses a game (players usually lose by the way) do we need the histrionics from some here.   Right back at you.

YES WE DO! Cause ners says so. So yes. 🥴

It has become “don’t look at other optics. Only look at negatives!”
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 07:29:29 PM
Solid win for Creighton over The Johnnies
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 08, 2020, 07:47:27 PM
SMH, this gets so exhausting reading this every single time a Coach loses a game. Look, you're going to counter with "it gets equally exhausting reading fire Wojo after every loss". Me personally, I have said numerous times, my biggest issue is losing games at home against teams you should absolutely beat. like Providence. If you think this is exclusive to MU fans and this board, I suggest you "get out more" and read other message boards. In fact, I was on the Memphis board earlier...and guess what?? They went Penny gone, and have said that it is INEXCUSABLE to lose games at home to South Florida, SMU and Georgia. All teams they feel they should have/and expected to beat at home.

Go visit the Indiana board and see what they are saying about losing to Purdue at home today( a team that couldn't win a road game to save their life this year). It goes on everywhere Mike.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, there is nothing that makes me more pissed off following my favorite teams then when they drop a game at home to someone they had no business losing to. Because almost inevitably it ends up costing you something significant at the end of the year. It's uncanny, how it's correlated. Just one quick example from this very season in the NFL...The Packers only home loss this year was to the Eagles, a team that had no business walking into Lambeau and winning. I was pissed, I knew at the time it would cost them something significant..Lo and behold..guess what?? They win that game, they play the NFC Championship game at home instead of in SF.

You're a Coach, so you should know this, but ask any Coach in any sport, and they will tell you the #1 most important thing you can do is win games at home. Especially against teams you have no business losing to. Now you will say (it happens...Duke vs SFA). Sure, it happens, but me personally, I couldn't care less about who else loses to who on their home floor/field. It does NOTHING to make me say "oh well then that Excuses the Packers or MU for losing that game at home to (insert crap opponent). I want my teams to be better than that.

It is 100% complete fallacy and not even possible to do when people say "well, they just have to get that back on the road somewhere". Doesn't work like that. Once you lose a game at home, there isn't anything you can do to "make up for it". Nothing, it's gone. It's like people who say "I gotta catch up on some sleep". That's an impossibility, once you lose it, there's no "catching up" or getting it back.

Had MU not lost that game at home to PC...where would they be right now?? 6-3 and with a win tomorrow, in 2nd place, and only two games behind Hall for 1st...that's doable. But instead, they are tied for third currently and 3 games behind Hall...a significant difference.

So yes, losing games at home to teams you have ZERO business losing to is maddening, frustrating and it infuriates me(and obviously fans from other schools to). Again, it will almost always end up costing you something by the end of the year.
Palpable hypocrisy
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 08, 2020, 07:48:42 PM
It just gets exhausting that every MU loss is accompanied by a dozen (at least) "Wojo is the worst ever" posts, and that most wins are dismissed by "Oh, they are a crap team we should have beaten anyway."

So I guess this is my intentionally over-the-top counter to it.
I find it hilarious. It exposes the goofy people's reaction to a single game. Keep it comin
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 08:09:06 PM
X 39 Cooley & Company 38 14:55 left second.

X needs to defend home court to maintain a chance for tournament
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on February 08, 2020, 09:10:47 PM
Palpable hypocrisy

Hypocrisy?? Their FACTS. You're a youngin yet Johnny Boy...hopefully one day you'll learn. There's time son.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2020, 09:15:38 PM
Hypocrisy?? Their FACTS. You're a youngin yet Johnny Boy...hopefully one day you'll learn. There's time son.

“They are facts”

Should have gotten a Marquette education
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on February 08, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
I find it hilarious. It exposes the goofy people's reaction to a single game. Keep it comin

Those single games that you don't seem to think matter one iota, loom large by season's end. Almost every single time, in every sport. MU beats that crap PC team(they are 13-11 nw BTW) at home, how different would things look for MU right now?? SIGNIFICANTLY different. Two games out of 1st, instead of 3 is a massive difference at this point in the year. Not too mention the ffect it MAY have on their seeding for the BET, the NCAA tourney etc. It matters...it matters a lot. In time, when you get older, you'll see it more clearly I hope.

Until then, you keep doing you and thinking losses(especially to CRAP teams at home) don't matter. What a way to go through life.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: muguru on February 08, 2020, 09:18:28 PM
“They are facts”

Should have gotten a Marquette education

Why don't you grow up son...your generation is part of why this world is the way it is today...offended by everything, everything has to be fair for everyone.  Tell us what we do don't have to accept. It disgusts me. You must be so proud.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2020, 09:22:32 PM
Why don't you grow up son...your generation is part of why this world is the way it is today...offended by everything, everything has to be fair for everyone.  Tell us what we do don't have to accept. It disgusts me. You must be so proud.

You sound like a snowflake
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 09:24:08 PM
Big win for X in hard fought battle with Cooley & Company.  Tyrique Jones coming on strong .
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 08, 2020, 09:26:31 PM
Hypocrisy?? Their FACTS. You're a youngin yet Johnny Boy...hopefully one day you'll learn. There's time son.
Put the bottle down dad
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2020, 09:27:04 PM
Big win for X in hard fought battle with Cooley & Company.  Tyrique Jones coming on strong .

Another year where Cooley and Company can’t play offense.  114th in KenPom on offense.  Shaping up as the 4th straight year in the 100’s for them. 
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Cheeks on February 08, 2020, 09:27:08 PM
YES WE DO! Cause ners says so. So yes. 🥴

It has become “don’t look at other optics. Only look at negatives!”

Yup....only their optics count....only their storyline of irrational table slamming because if we don’t win every game.  Hysterical
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 09:28:11 PM
Another year where Cooley and Company can’t play offense.  114th in KenPom on offense.  Shaping up as the 4th straight year in the 100’s for them.
Cooley  needs to be recruiting some 3 point shooters .
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 08, 2020, 09:31:11 PM
Cooley  needs to be recruiting some 3 point shooters .

But ones who finally go cold only against MU for a change.
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2020, 09:31:25 PM
Cooley  needs to be recruiting some 3 point shooters .

You got that right.  305th in effective fg% this year is no bueno.  Other than 2017, they’ve been a terrible shooting team.  He’s done great work there but that’s been a flaw
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 08, 2020, 09:33:17 PM
Those single games that you don't seem to think matter one iota, loom large by season's end. Almost every single time, in every sport. MU beats that crap PC team(they are 13-11 nw BTW) at home, how different would things look for MU right now?? SIGNIFICANTLY different. Two games out of 1st, instead of 3 is a massive difference at this point in the year. Not too mention the ffect it MAY have on their seeding for the BET, the NCAA tourney etc. It matters...it matters a lot. In time, when you get older, you'll see it more clearly I hope.

Until then, you keep doing you and thinking losses(especially to CRAP teams at home) don't matter. What a way to go through life.
What you dont get Is virtually every damn team suffers one or more "bad" losses every year. Teams have off games just the way it is. The providence loss wasn't good but absolutely not something to lose our minds about. You just freak out and complain to no end over that one loss. We have one home loss. We win tommor and we are ranked and a projected 5 seed. People give you crap because your reactions are just silly and over the top sometimes. Marquette is in a good position right now with potential to make some serious noise going forward. Just freaking chill pal
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 08, 2020, 09:41:54 PM
Does this really have to happen every time a very accomplished coach loses? 

In my opinion, it doesn't help to make any point regarding Wojo to compare him to coaches that have multiple Final Fours and National Championships on their resumes. 

Jay Wright has more NCs than Wojo has Tourney wins.  How are they comparable at all?

That's kind of the point, isn't it?
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 08, 2020, 09:45:49 PM
SMH, this gets so exhausting reading this every single time a Coach loses a game. Look, you're going to counter with "it gets equally exhausting reading fire Wojo after every loss". Me personally, I have said numerous times, my biggest issue is losing games at home against teams you should absolutely beat. like Providence. If you think this is exclusive to MU fans and this board, I suggest you "get out more" and read other message boards. In fact, I was on the Memphis board earlier...and guess what?? They went Penny gone, and have said that it is INEXCUSABLE to lose games at home to South Florida, SMU and Georgia. All teams they feel they should have/and expected to beat at home.

Go visit the Indiana board and see what they are saying about losing to Purdue at home today( a team that couldn't win a road game to save their life this year). It goes on everywhere Mike.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, there is nothing that makes me more pissed off following my favorite teams then when they drop a game at home to someone they had no business losing to. Because almost inevitably it ends up costing you something significant at the end of the year. It's uncanny, how it's correlated. Just one quick example from this very season in the NFL...The Packers only home loss this year was to the Eagles, a team that had no business walking into Lambeau and winning. I was pissed, I knew at the time it would cost them something significant..Lo and behold..guess what?? They win that game, they play the NFC Championship game at home instead of in SF.

You're a Coach, so you should know this, but ask any Coach in any sport, and they will tell you the #1 most important thing you can do is win games at home. Especially against teams you have no business losing to. Now you will say (it happens...Duke vs SFA). Sure, it happens, but me personally, I couldn't care less about who else loses to who on their home floor/field. It does NOTHING to make me say "oh well then that Excuses the Packers or MU for losing that game at home to (insert crap opponent). I want my teams to be better than that.

It is 100% complete fallacy and not even possible to do when people say "well, they just have to get that back on the road somewhere". Doesn't work like that. Once you lose a game at home, there isn't anything you can do to "make up for it". Nothing, it's gone. It's like people who say "I gotta catch up on some sleep". That's an impossibility, once you lose it, there's no "catching up" or getting it back.

Had MU not lost that game at home to PC...where would they be right now?? 6-3 and with a win tomorrow, in 2nd place, and only two games behind Hall for 1st...that's doable. But instead, they are tied for third currently and 3 games behind Hall...a significant difference.

So yes, losing games at home to teams you have ZERO business losing to is maddening, frustrating and it infuriates me(and obviously fans from other schools to). Again, it will almost always end up costing you something by the end of the year.

Guru:

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Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 08, 2020, 09:53:35 PM
Guru:

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LMAO
Title: Re: Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 08, 2020, 10:16:10 PM
SMH, this gets so exhausting reading this every single time a Coach loses a game. Look, you're going to counter with "it gets equally exhausting reading fire Wojo after every loss". Me personally, I have said numerous times, my biggest issue is losing games at home against teams you should absolutely beat. like Providence. If you think this is exclusive to MU fans and this board, I suggest you "get out more" and read other message boards. In fact, I was on the Memphis board earlier...and guess what?? They went Penny gone, and have said that it is INEXCUSABLE to lose games at home to South Florida, SMU and Georgia. All teams they feel they should have/and expected to beat at home.

Go visit the Indiana board and see what they are saying about losing to Purdue at home today( a team that couldn't win a road game to save their life this year). It goes on everywhere Mike.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, there is nothing that makes me more pissed off following my favorite teams then when they drop a game at home to someone they had no business losing to. Because almost inevitably it ends up costing you something significant at the end of the year. It's uncanny, how it's correlated. Just one quick example from this very season in the NFL...The Packers only home loss this year was to the Eagles, a team that had no business walking into Lambeau and winning. I was pissed, I knew at the time it would cost them something significant..Lo and behold..guess what?? They win that game, they play the NFC Championship game at home instead of in SF.

You're a Coach, so you should know this, but ask any Coach in any sport, and they will tell you the #1 most important thing you can do is win games at home. Especially against teams you have no business losing to. Now you will say (it happens...Duke vs SFA). Sure, it happens, but me personally, I couldn't care less about who else loses to who on their home floor/field. It does NOTHING to make me say "oh well then that Excuses the Packers or MU for losing that game at home to (insert crap opponent). I want my teams to be better than that.

It is 100% complete fallacy and not even possible to do when