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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2019, 09:41:22 AM
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Big East has a solid set of opening games. Looking forward to the league putting up another strong Non Conference performance
Wagner at Seton Hall
Jacksonville at Xavier .
Loyola at Marquette
Kennesaw State at Creighton
Alcorn State at DePaul
Sacred Heart at Providence
Army at Villanova
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The Hall playing in Walsh Gymnasium tonight.
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The Hall playing in Walsh Gymnasium tonight.
Why? That looks like a high school gym
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Solid wins for X and The Hall
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Solid wins for X and The Hall
Solid???
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Can't get the MU game, so I've been watching Nova. Robinson-Earl will be a beast!
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Solid???
In the words of Juan Antonio Herman Cain, solid is not “most excellent”.
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Not Big East, but obviously of interest here ...
After a slow start, St. Mary's has a 9-point lead over F%cky with 8 mins to play.
Why the eff are these two teams playing in a junior high school gym in South Dakota?
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Not Big East, but obviously of interest here ...
After a slow start, St. Mary's has a 9-point lead over F%cky with 8 mins to play.
Why the eff are these two teams playing in a junior high school gym in South Dakota?
To support the Krabbenhoft Klan.
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To support the Krabbenhoft Klan.
OT!
But first, the Bumblefork Middle School band will play 25 or 6 to 4.
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Not Big East, but obviously of interest here ...
After a slow start, St. Mary's has a 9-point lead over F%cky with 8 mins to play.
Why the eff are these two teams playing in a junior high school gym in South Dakota?
If St. Marys is a top 20 team. This is a brutal year for college hoops.
They have 1 guy(who is now taking awful hero shots), another guy who based off past stats appears to be quality. And then a handful of guys who legit probably shouldnt start for the team we just beat.
Johnson and their big 6'10 doofus are just awful basketball players.
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Fye-Fye, F%cky!
A great night whenever our Warriors win ... and an even great night when F%cky fails, too.
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DePaul Solid win over Alcorn State
Creighton Routed Kennesaw State
Cooley &Co annihilated Sacred Heart
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Some notable non Big East non conference upsets......Nebraska loses to Cal Riverside.by 19 in Hoiberg debut.....Alabama loses to Penn in Oats debut......not an upset but 24th ranked Auburn struggled with Georgia Southern winning by 9.
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Some notable non Big East non conference upsets......Nebraska loses to Cal Riverside.by 19 in Hoiberg debut.....Alabama loses to Penn in Oats debut......not an upset but 24th ranked Auburn struggled with Georgia Southern winning by 9.
Cheats one point in 26 minutes
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Cheats one point in 26 minutes
Damn.
I really thought after his freshman year he might have a shot to break Jerel’s record.
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Villanova’s two freshman in starting line up got off to solid start on their career in the win over Army last night.
Next game against Ohio State should be more of a test
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Michigan struggled with Appalachian state before winning. Must have thought it was a football game.
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Michigan struggled with Appalachian state before winning. Must have thought it was a football game.
Jalen Wilson barely got off the bench for Kansas, hope he enjoys the pine this year!
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Some notable non Big East non conference upsets......Nebraska loses to Cal Riverside.by 19 in Hoiberg debut.....Alabama loses to Penn in Oats debut......not an upset but 24th ranked Auburn struggled with Georgia Southern winning by 9.
Oh boy ... can just imagine Scoopageddon if Oats had come here and lost to an Ivy school at home in his debut.
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Michigan struggled with Appalachian state before winning. Must have thought it was a football game.
And Illinois needed overtime to beat Nicholls State.
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Mt St Marys with an early lead on Ewing & Company
Butler and The Johnnies comfortably up at half.
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Georgetown down by 10. (27-17)
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Ewing using timeouts like Deane.
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This second half at GTown might be worth a watching.
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McDermott looking strong for Butler. Shooting well from the wing.
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I know a home loss to St Mary's hurts the overall conference rankings, but I can't help it. I love watching Akinjo and McClung stink up the gym
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The Hoyas are struggling.... . To say the least...
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Where's that Hoya guy that trolls us? O-M-G.
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I know a home loss to St Mary's hurts the overall conference rankings, but I can't help it. I love watching Akinjo and McClung stink up the gym
Agreed. I’d be thrilled to see them and Seton Hall lose every game they play this year.
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Ewing has been mediocre. Should have kept GT3. Way better recruiter
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19 point lead is down to 5. Games on CBSSN.
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Ah, well. Fun while it lasted. Akinjo found his game.
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Depaul is playing an exhibition game the night after they opened the season........who does that?
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Depaul is playing an exhibition game the night after they opened the season........who does that?
DePaul does because their terrible coach got suspended 3 games for cheating
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MSM up 5 over Ewing & Co. with 8:45 left
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DePaul does because their terrible coach got suspended 3 games for cheating
Yup, this is the "how can we get Leitao eligible for Gavitt" scheduling.
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Cincy 6 Ohio State 0.....12:41 left in first half...
Wonder what the game thread looks like?
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Cincy 6 Ohio State 0.....12:41 left in first half...
Wonder what the game thread looks like?
Was thinking that about the Georgetown game
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Depaul is playing an exhibition game the night after they opened the season........who does that?
I don't believe it's a exhibition game.
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Wow. 20-0 run by Georgetown.
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Hoya's with solid comeback.
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I don't believe it's a exhibition game.
Was going by the info in my channel guide. Says Chicago is D 3 and calls it an Exhibition game.
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The ACC is starting the season with conference games...not sure if I like that. I don’t mind the early conference games like the B1G or the BE next year, but the first game out of the box seems less than optimal. Thoughts?
I think it favors the more experienced teams and the ones who had the summer opportunity. Not really supportive of the parity play for more conference teams in the NCAA as early season is a bit unbalanced on the experience meter.
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The ACC is starting the season with conference games...not sure if I like that. I don’t mind the early conference games like the B1G or the BE next year, but the first game out of the box seems less than optimal. Thoughts?
I think it favors the more experienced teams and the ones who had the summer opportunity. Not really supportive of the parity play for more conference teams in the NCAA as early season is a bit unbalanced on the experience meter.
Agreed.......hope we don't do that next season. Give them a few games to settle in ......quality of play is almost never good to start the season.
I.e. Virginia 13 Syracuse 2 9 minutes left in the first half.......ugh
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They’re doing it for football so why not basketball? But that being said, I’d rather not.
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They’re doing it for football so why not basketball? But that being said, I’d rather not.
But football has the spring season and summer camps..after the bowl dance. So, does basketball become 10 months too?
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Michigan struggled with Appalachian state before winning. Must have thought it was a football game.
(Underrated post)
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The ACC is starting the season with conference games...not sure if I like that. I don’t mind the early conference games like the B1G or the BE next year, but the first game out of the box seems less than optimal. Thoughts?
Not sure if this will continue in 2020 to start the season. Yet, the goal is to push the new ACC Network.
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Can someone count how many people are at Wintrust Arena tonight? There might be 300 people.
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DePaul in sole possession of first place in the conference.
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DePaul in sole possession of first place in the conference.
Hang a banner!
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DePaul in sole possession of first place in the conference.
wrong thread...
try here: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48600.msg1167290#msg1167290 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48600.msg1167290#msg1167290)
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Hang a banner!
Or a license plate holder.
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Myles Powell limped off the court in the early part of Seton Halls game, hasn’t returned
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Don’t understand why Seton Hall playing their early games in a 1600 seat gym .
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Myles Powell limped off the court in the early part of Seton Halls game, hasn’t returned
Hes not going to get an ounce of sympathy here after what he caused in the big east tournament last year.
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Hes not going to get an ounce of sympathy here after what he caused in the big east tournament last year.
Yeah, hate to see it.
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Ewing & Company post a solid win.
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Hall looks really bad without him.
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Ewing & Company post a solid win.
I watched......it wasn't all that solid.....
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Hes not going to get an ounce of sympathy here after what he caused in the big east tournament last year.
🙄🙄🙄
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Ewing & Company post a solid win.
If GT was legit, they should've smoked UCA, who is the worst team from a metric perspective on their schedule. They struggled all game long to put them away and despite the win, certainly didn't do so in solid fashion. The Hoyas and Pirates both looking overrated in how they handle cupcakes so far.
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Combine this game and the Mt. St. Mary's game..... well, Georgetown should be very coachable right now.
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Mamu gets elbowed to the face and out for The Hall now...
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The Hall with nice run in second half without Powell for a solid victory.
They can build off that kind of performance. Will need Powell to have a chance versus MSU.
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Indiana with a less then solid 85-74 win over Portland State.....Pomeroy had this as an expected 85-62 win.
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Cooley &Company up comfortably at half.
The Johnnies in control against Central Connecticut
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Although I enjoyed Mullin, I think The Johnnies new coach is focused on a more fundamentally sound approach to the game. Team is moving the ball around which is something we have not seen from them in a long time.
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See comments from Willard re: Powell.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/11/09/seton-hall-basketball-myles-powell/2518127001/
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Went to DePaul game last night. (With about 900 of my closest friends.)
Charlie Moore very good. Absolutely the key to their team this season. Displayed nice PG skills and instincts. Got buckets when DePaul needed them. Probably just a hair taller then Markus.
Paul Reed looked pretty good also. Displayed some nice offensive moves. I could see him justifying his third team All BE selection.
The rest of the team...
(https://i.imgflip.com/2kcr9g.jpg)
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Cooley & Company with a solid performance against NJIT. Rack up their second win.
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Cooley & Company with a solid performance against NJIT. Rack up their second win.
Based on non-con results against cupcakes, which is certainly not the best measuring stick, but all we have so far, Villanova, Providence, and Marquette look like the contenders, SHU & GT look overrated, and Anderson looks like he might be better than expected at St. John's.
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Based on non-con results against cupcakes, which is certainly not the best measuring stick, but all we have so far, Villanova, Providence, and Marquette look like the contenders, SHU & GT look overrated, and Anderson looks like he might be better than expected at St. John's.
The Hall beat Stony Brook , a quality mid major , without Powell. So that should be factored into the thought process.
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The Hall beat Stony Brook , a quality mid major , without Powell. So that should be factored into the thought process.
Solid or quality?
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Solid or quality?
They're like a hybrid of the two. They're...squalid.
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Butler off to a nice start. They had a solid win over Buzz old employer New Orleans.
Transfer Bryce Nyze seems to be doing well. Averaging 14.5 ppg and 10.5 rpg through the first two games.
I think many are overlooking Butler. They have some decent talent in their starting lineup.
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I'd love to see Depaul get the win @ Iowa tonight.
Since its the only game of note tonight, and I really don't want to watch football, I decided to light $20 on a fire on Depaul +375.
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They're like a hybrid of the two. They're...squalid.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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Depaul 13 Iowa 2 early
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DePaul 35 Iowa 13
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LFG Depaul
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If Depaul is indeed the 10th place team,in the BE thie conference is going to be brutal this season.....
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If Depaul is indeed the 10th place team,in the BE thie conference is going to be brutal this season.....
Yah, which isn’t great for the conference. For a 10 team league to get 7-8 teams in, it absolutely needs two doormats. This DePaul team is going to win some games in league play.
Which another is why the noncon is so important for a 10 team league.
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Halftime: De Paul 53 Iowa 30
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Yah, which isn’t great for the conference. For a 10 team league to get 7-8 teams in, it absolutely needs two doormats. This DePaul team is going to win some games in league play.
Which another is why the noncon is so important for a 10 team league.
Unless all 10 kick butt in the non conference.
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Halftime: De Paul 53 Iowa 30
In the Cuddle with Fran
(http://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/fran_thumb.gif)
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Lavin taking the Depaul love a bit far. NCAA tournament team? Top half of the league? GMAB.
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DePaul has a competitive group of players. It is just a question of the guys jelling and building confidence in each other. That is the secret sauce to success.
Last year they started to gain that confidence and it is carrying through in the early part of the season for them.
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DePaul has a competitive group of players. It is just a question of the guys jelling and building confidence in each other. That is the secret sauce to success.
Last year they started to gain that confidence and it is carrying through in the early part of the season for them.
Either that or they got a big time point guard to run the ship
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Lavin taking the Depaul love a bit far. NCAA tournament team? Top half of the league? GMAB.
Let’s see how it plays out.
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I think Jalen Coleman-Lands has another year of eligibility after this one as well. He only participated in 9 games last year before he got hurt.
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Absolutely hilarious game thread on iowa board if youre bored.
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Moore and Coleman-Lands are a legitimate D1 backcourt, and as soon as Jacobs gets his feet underneath him after coming back from an ACL injury, thats a really nice scoring option off the bench.
Definitely not anointing them as tourney team yet though. I was at the FDU game, theres still a lot to be desired...
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Creighton up 3 at the half vs Michigan in Ann Arbor
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Creighton up 3 at the half vs Michigan in Ann Arbor
Both teams look very good offensively.
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St. John’s down 10 early to New Hampshire
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X up big on Missouri 27-12
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Creighton's defense looks sieve-like again this year. Part of it is style of play but McDermott really needs to find someone to teach his teams some defense.
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Creighton has some injury issues.
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Not BE but #1 Kentucky down a few points to Evansville with just 6 to play.
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Xavier's offense has disappeared in the 2nd half.......down 43-38 with 6 minutes left
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I think Jalen Coleman-Lands has another year of eligibility after this one as well. He only participated in 9 games last year before he got hurt.
This is his 5th season. Although maybe that injury last year is enough to get granted a 6th?
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Down goes Kentucky........no sure wins in CBB......even for Hall of Fame coaches with 5 stars up and down the roster......
Aces were picked 7th in the Valley.....
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Evansville had never beaten an ap ranked team on the road ......ever
https://twitter.com/espnstatsinfo/status/1194435844532256768?s=21
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Demir is.... not good. Drexel transfer to Minn that was mentioned here this summer. Ooofta
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Demir is.... not good. Drexel transfer to Minn that was mentioned here this summer. Ooofta
I was just coming here to say it.
I mentioned him.
He SUCKS
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Auburn down 1 with 20 seconds left.
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Xavier guts out a 63-58 OT win over Mizzou.
Creighton loses at Michigan 79-69.
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St. John's wins at home over New Hampshire 74-61.
Butler 64 - Minny 56.
OT: I4 wins at home over North Alabama 91-65.
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Man, some rough efficiency nights for a few pre-season all-Beast players. Alexander 20 points on 22 shots, Marshall 17 points on 16 shots, Baldwin needing 24 shots to get 27 points. Maybe Markus' 38 points on 20 shots isn't as bad as a few here made it out to be?
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Helpful to the leagues cause that Butler and The Johnnies are getting off to a nice start. The more that the projected second half teams do well the better off everyone is.
Also helpful that Xavier showed some mettle coming from behind against Mizzou.
Not overly concerned that Creighton lost on the road to a decent Michigan squad. We know the Jays have no depth and no defense, which hurt them in the second half. They are going to be entertaining though.
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I know it’s based on the number of games played, but it still looks unnatural to see DePaul at the top of the conference standings and Marquette and Villanova near the bottom.
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I know it’s based on the number of games played, but it still looks unnatural to see DePaul at the top of the conference standings and Marquette and Villanova near the bottom.
Makes you want to throw your hands up and say Phuket all
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Demir is.... not good. Drexel transfer to Minn that was mentioned here this summer. Ooofta
Yah...woof. Super unathletic. Bullet dodged there.
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I know it’s based on the number of games played, but it still looks unnatural to see DePaul at the top of the conference standings and Marquette and Villanova near the bottom.
Hope that is not an omen.
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I know it’s based on the number of games played, but it still looks unnatural to see DePaul at the top of the conference standings and Marquette and Villanova near the bottom.
Fire Wojo!
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Nova getting boat raced early.. . Down 17-3.
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Turned on TV to see Nova down 17-4. Yikes!
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They don't look good.......OSU shooting the lights out and Nova having trouble running anything.
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Man, this is ugly.
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Man, this is ugly.
I still maintain MU can and should win the Big East.
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You can see lots of crazy results early in the season as coaches are trying to figure out their teams......the young players for Nova look overwhelmed .......
It happens
OSU looks fantastic
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You can see lots of crazy results early in the season as coaches are trying to figure out their teams......the young players for Nova look overwhelmed .......
It happens
OSU looks fantastic
This. Ton of talent on Villanova. Just a shock to the system right now.
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nova-another example of why preseason rankings are weird
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November matters in March for seeding but how a team plays in November doesn’t often resemble the team it is in March.
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nova-another example of why preseason rankings are weird
What's McNeese State ranked?
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Nova's offense looked much better with Brunson making plays for Bridges, Spellman, Booth, Paschall and DD.
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Nova's offense looked much better with Brunson making plays for Bridges, Spellman, Booth, Paschall and DD.
Ya think? I'm not convinced.
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Channel surfed for a few mins to check out the news of the day. Returned to find Nova down 38-12. Guess I don't need to waste more time on FS1 till our game.
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It kind of shows how fragile CBB is....'Nova went from Arch to Brunson......then they thought they had point guard covered going forward with Gillespie and Quinerly..... Both were highly rated.....Gillespie hasn't been a difference maker and Quinerly obviously was a bust.....at least at Nova
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What's McNeese State ranked?
before they beat da vermin? don't think it goes that high though
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Nova lost to Michigan by 100 in the Gavitt games last year and finished alright
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So when this dreadful game goes well past 9, I guess we'll just be stuck waiting for them to put our game on.
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Nova lost to Michigan by 100 in the Gavitt games last year and finished alright
Yeah. I remember MUScoop being thrilled that we should be head and shoulders better than Nova because Michigan was smoking them...and then we watched MU get smoked just as bad by Indiana.
Jay Wright is a proven coach. He'll have his team much better come BE play.
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Nova cannot buy a 3. Missed a TON of wide open ones.
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So when this dreadful game goes well past 9, I guess we'll just be stuck waiting for them to put our game on.
Likely be on fs 2to start
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Ohio st has 2 starters out. I mean nova has been just embarrassed out there. Awful for them. I guess I wanna say this is that nasty combination where you have your worst performance all season and they are having there best performance all season and this is the result. Jeez
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Nova's offense looked much better with Brunson making plays for Bridges, Spellman, Booth, Paschall and DD.
Lol...That is what, 5 dudes getting regular nba PT?
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Lol...That is what, 5 dudes getting regular nba PT?
People do realize I was trying to be funny right?
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People do realize I was trying to be funny right?
I guess I missed the sarcasm - sorry!!
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Nova lost to Michigan by 100 in the Gavitt games last year and finished alright
..and they followed up that 73-46 loss by losing to FURMAN at home... then got a 6-seed in the tourney.
Maybe more than 'early season rankings' not mattering, it's that a game or two no matta
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Cooley& Company screwed the league tonight losing to Northwestern.
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Cooley& Company screwed the league tonight losing to Northwestern.
Who just lost to Merrimac who just got hosed by Maine. Fortunately the transitive property of basketball isn't a thing
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Okay, so serious question. Before last night, has a team ever forced twice as many TOs as they committed, had 25 more shot attempts and still lost? These stats are just amazingly weird.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/matchup?gameId=401166063
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Okay, so serious question. Before last night, has a team ever forced twice as many TOs as they committed, had 25 more shot attempts and still lost? These stats are just amazingly weird.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/matchup?gameId=401166063
I'm sure it has many times but probably not that common. As Jay Bee would say, eFG% reigns supreme.
Four Factors to winning a basketball game in order of importance:
1. eFG% (NW by a lot)
2. OR% (PC by a lot)
3. TO% (PC by a lot)
4. FTR (NW)
Despite PC controlling the boards and the TO's, Northwestern's efficient shooting (or more accurately PC's inefficient shooting) was enough for them to cruise to a 9 point victory.
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That's a bad loss to a bad team by PC.
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Ohio st has 2 starters out. I mean nova has been just embarrassed out there. Awful for them. I guess I wanna say this is that nasty combination where you have your worst performance all season and they are having there best performance all season and this is the result. Jeez
Boy has Dj Carton looked good in the cincy n nova games. Plays like a senior n really really skilled!!!
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Boy has Dj Carton looked good in the cincy n nova games. Plays like a senior n really really skilled!!!
Thought the same thing. Carton is another recruit in the staff's long list of recruits they offered long before they blew up in the rankings. The staff certainly has an eye for talent. I just hope they get better at landing them!
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I'm sure it has many times but probably not that common. As Jay Bee would say, eFG% reigns supreme.
Four Factors to winning a basketball game in order of importance:
1. eFG% (NW by a lot)
2. OR% (PC by a lot)
3. TO% (PC by a lot)
4. FTR (NW)
Despite PC controlling the boards and the TO's, Northwestern's efficient shooting (or more accurately PC's inefficient shooting) was enough for them to cruise to a 9 point victory.
Friars are playing without Nate Watson yet.
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Friars are playing without Nate Watson yet.
Yep. He will add a dimension to their game that will really help them. Their backup, former MU target Kalif Young, is serviceable but looks like another version of Matt Heldt.
Reeves stunk it up for them last night too. Friar fans have been selling the idea that the injury last season is what caused him to fade down the stretch. While I'm sure it was a factor, I think it may have more been about the increase in competition. He shredded opposing cupcakes but even preinjury struggled against real teams.
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Okay, so serious question. Before last night, has a team ever forced twice as many TOs as they committed, had 25 more shot attempts and still lost? These stats are just amazingly weird.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/matchup?gameId=401166063
25 FGA diff is pretty high but yeah it happens. I tried to find one to find one quickly... 1/3/19... new mex at had 29 more FGA and 1/2 the turnovers of Cal Baptist... lost
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I guess quick starts in Gavitt Games is just a DePaul thing? Gtown had already matched our biggest deficit.
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I guess quick starts in Gavitt Games is just a DePaul thing? Gtown had already matched our biggest deficit.
GTown has looked like hot trash this year
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Georgetown has been mediocre ever since they got rid of JT3. Recruiting wise its ben a huge drop off. They are kind of like Syracuse. Just kinda fell off in the last several years. Cant grab the top talent as easy anymore it seems
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Georgetown has been mediocre ever since they got rid of JT3. Recruiting wise its ben a huge drop off. They are kind of like Syracuse. Just kinda fell off in the last several years. Cant grab the top talent as easy anymore it seems
Half of the All-Freshman team from last season were Hoyas.
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Penn State up 42-34 over Ewing and Associates.
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Half of the All-Freshman team from last season were Hoyas.
Yeah and how they doing this year? I meant on paper. Usually got top 50ish kids left and right. Now not so much. Pat's best recruit rank wise was in the 80s with akinjo and Williams? The other guys are 3 stars.
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13 first half turnovers for Hoyas but still,in the game
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Yeah and how they doing this year? I meant on paper. Usually got top 50ish kids left and right. Now not so much. Pat's best recruit rank wise was in the 80s with akinjo and Williams? The other guys are 3 stars.
Ah. So you're a proponent of hype over production?
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Penn State is playing smarter and tougher than Georgetown right now. Maybe Akinjo and McClunk pick it up. But the times I have watched the Hoyas so far, they do not look like contenders.
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Powell will play tonight.
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Powell will play tonight.
I know it would be better for Marquette if the Hall wins, but man I have never disliked a college athlete more than Myles Powell.
Is this what it was like watching Devendorf?
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I enjoy Seton Hall. We need that old hate back in the Big East. Don't know too many who don't hate Syracuse.
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Half of the All-Freshman team from last season were Hoyas.
Yeah, because of volume. They played a ton of frosh, others didn't. Barely anyone was 'eligible' for the award. They were bad. And are bad.
"All-X" teams must be understood. If you're "oooh, we've got three out of the 7 potential candidates", that means jack.
#McClungCantShoot
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Ewing and Associates screwed the conference by losing to Penn State tonight.
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Ewing and Associates screwed the conference by losing to Penn State tonight.
Getting blown out by by Penn State.
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I know it would be better for Marquette if the Hall wins, but man I have never disliked a college athlete more than Myles Powell.
Is this what it was like watching Devendorf?
As far as I know, Powell hasn’t assaulted multiple women like Deventrash did. I’ll take punk on the court over menace off the court any day.
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Ah. So you're a proponent of hype over production?
Lol they have produced what exactly so far?
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MSU up 3 over The Hall . 13:42 left
Gill making his presence known on defense.
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50 -47 MSU 11:43 left
Powell with 21
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Ice in his veins! Say what you want of Powell, but dude can ball. Passing, shooting, everything
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Wow, just wow. Amazing performance especially in crunch time
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Injured ankle my ass...
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Severe ankle injury my ass
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Tied
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Seems the reports of Powell's death were greatly exaggerated.
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Seems the reports of Powell's death were greatly exaggerated.
Or steroids work really well?
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They just called a foul on Theo during the SHU-MSU game
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SHU filled with fake tough guy punks. But they are much better than many here want to admit.
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Bad no call on hall. Not looking good
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This game can't be using the same rules that Theo played with last year.
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cannot even get a shot off the last 2 trips that is awful
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Nice pass Myles. Shockingly the ankle, which has given him no issues, is hurting.
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Powell great game but not enough. The Hall is going to be tough.
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SHU filled with fake tough guy punks. But they are much better than many here want to admit.
They're the same team as last year. Powell will shoot 27 times. If he makes 12, it's a tight game. If he makes eight, they lose comfortably. Nothing of note on that roster.
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I like both of those non-calls as a fan of neither team, but I sure would have wanted at least one of them if I were a Seton Hall fan.
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Ya just hate to see that...
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SHU filled with fake tough guy punks. But they are much better than many here want to admit.
Don't get me wrong they ain't bad but they are merely solid.
Powell takes like half their shots. Its up to how he plays.
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So what was the final Gavitt Games tally?
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So what was the final Gavitt Games tally?
1-0
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So what was the final Gavitt Games tally?
5-3 Big Fourteen
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They just called a foul on Theo during the SHU-MSU game
Awesome!!!
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Ewing played 11 players double digit minutes tonight. Not sure I've ever seen a high major do that in a game against another high major.
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5-3 Big Fourteen
Drats.
So, MU, DePaul and Butler were our only winners? Yay to us, but ugh for the 5 losers. At least Seton Hall lost with dignity (mostly).
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Seton Hall sucks
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SHU filled with fake tough guy punks. But they are much better than many here want to admit.
They were good last night. But they were also good against Kentucky last year then got swept by DePaul. When you have a player that can turn it up like Powell, you have the ability to play with anyone, but when you rely entirely on that player, you also have the ability to lose to anyone, which has shown in their cupcake struggles so far.
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If Powell was a junior, Willard would be receiving a letter sometime this spring.
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Xavier worked hard to beat Missouri State
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Six Big East games today. Schedule, spreads and crews posted at the pinned at the top in Big East Schedule Thread. Enjoy!
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Six Big East games today. Schedule, spreads and crews posted at the pinned at the top in Big East Schedule Thread. Enjoy!
Thanks, Mr. N. BEast certainly should go 6-0 today!
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Thanks, Mr. N. BEast certainly should go 6-0 today!
The game to watch will be Vermont at St. John's. Pomeroy has the Johnnies as just a 2-point favorite and I'd guess the Catamounts would be favored on a neutral court. Anthony Lamb is a player with NBA potential and they are always well coached. Should be a good game.
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The game to watch will be Vermont at St. John's. Pomeroy has the Johnnies as just a 2-point favorite and I'd guess the Catamounts would be favored on a neutral court. Anthony Lamb is a player with NBA potential and they are always well coached. Should be a good game.
Thanks for the insight.
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Rasheem Dunn is making his debut for St. John's. Transferred in from St. Francis-NY via Cleveland State this past summer. He sat out last year at Cleveland State, but when they made a coaching change, he left again and landed with the Johnnies. Should provide an offensive boost.
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After trailing by as much as 6, St. John's rallied with an 11-0 rally to end the half with a 31-26 lead over Vermont. Good one on FS2.
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Yes....Lamb is a solid player. You were right on him. Doing a little of everything.
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Vermont avoids the upset and beats St. John’s
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Yes....Lamb is a solid player. You were right on him. Doing a little of everything.
Brew on the Beam.
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The game to watch will be Vermont at St. John's. Pomeroy has the Johnnies as just a 2-point favorite and I'd guess the Catamounts would be favored on a neutral court. Anthony Lamb is a player with NBA potential and they are always well coached. Should be a good game.
You da man, brewski!
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Johnnie's had a great run to tie it up at the end.... then Anthony Lamb buried a last second two in their face for the win
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St. John's lost, but my opinion of them is higher than it was to start the day. Vermont is an incredibly well-disciplined team and a number of times, St. John's high-pressure defense took them out of synch. SJU absolutely could've won that game and while the Catamounts won't like get an at-large (though a road win over Virginia or Cincy could get them in the mix) they do have a good chance to be a tournament team.
The Johnnies will likely get better as the season goes on. They have athleticism and the kind of style that can really give teams problems. I think they will get some wins people don't expect them to get, and if they are the "bottom" of the league along with DePaul, then this is going to be an incredibly tough league.
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Creighton struggling at home with Louisiana Tech. Jays lead 69-67 with just under 4:00 to play.
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DePaul leading the league
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Bryce Nze continues to produce for Butler . I think many may not have figured his contributions into their outlook this season. Butler is not a deep squad but the starters are solid and glad to see them beat Wofford which is the kind of team that can be a thorn in the behind.
Also good to see Creighton and Providence post solid cupcake wins.
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Seton Hall 12 St. Louis 3 14:43 left first half
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Quality road win today for The Hall against St Louis.
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Georgia State up 6 on Georgetown with 4:47 left first.
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Georgia State up 6 at halftime over Ewing and Associates. 39-33.
Lots of empty seats not a good look .
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Georgia State up 6 at halftime over Ewing and Associates. 39-33.
Lots of empty seats not a good look .
In DC for work and got a great seat for $11. May have overpaid.
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In DC for work and got a great seat for $11. May have overpaid.
Crowd needs to get into the game.
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Crowd needs to get into the game.
Crowd is ready to get into it but the team needs to meet them halfway.
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The good news is they are marketing 3 game packages for "premium" opponents: Nova, Syracuse, and your Marquette Golden Eagles!
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The good news is they are marketing 3 game packages for "premium" opponents: Nova, Syracuse, and your Marquette Golden Eagles!
Like that we are considered a premium opponent.
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Solid Second Half for Ewing and Associates.
McClung with an impressive 25 point showing coming off the bench.
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AP Poll
13 The Hall
17 Nova
18 X
Others receiving votes
MU
Butler
Cooley & Company
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Bryce Nze continues to produce for Butler . I think many may not have figured his contributions into their outlook this season.
A post of mine from May 2018 re: Bryce..
IIRC he played up some the year with Nick N. and Henry for WI PGE in the EYBL... looked the part, rebounding ability was evident.
..then the next year - 2015 - he played many minutes along with Kostandinos... rebounded very well there, and has in college. Glad to see him getting a chance in the BEast.
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I wish Bryce nothing but success. He played in an off season pick up game with us old farts a few years ago. Still the one and only time a pass of mine ended with a dunk. Not an alley-oop. Just a normal pass. Seemed like a good kid.
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Cooley & Company excellent win over Merrimack.
Conference overall win loss: 32-7
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Cooley & Company excellent win over Merrimack.
Conference overall win loss: 32-7
Merrimack is a solid 274 in KenPom. That win is immeasurable in many ways for Providence and the Big East
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Cooley & Company excellent win over Merrimack.
Conference overall win loss: 32-7
Merrimack beats Northwestern, Northwestern beats Providence, Providence beats Merrimack. Transitive property mindblow.
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Quality road win today for The Hall against St Louis.
Seton Hall looked very good. Controlled the game with length and physicality. No let down from Michigan St. game, on the road, in tough environment. Seton Hall looked very much like a team that returned 9 of its top 11 scorers, and SLU looked very much like a team that has 5 of top 7 rotation players as Freshman and Sophomores.
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Merrimack beats Northwestern, Northwestern beats Providence, Providence beats Merrimack. Transitive property mindblow.
Now Radford beat Northwestern.
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Cooley & Company excellent win over Merrimack.
Conference overall win loss: 32-7
4 - 6 against other major conferences (3-6 vs Big 10 and 1-0 vs SEC)
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The Johnnies win the battle of Queens versus Manhattan and beat Columbia. Big East now 33-7 in non conference.
DePaul still on top on the Big East Standings to the left on this page.
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The Johnnies win the battle of Queens versus Manhattan and beat Columbia. Big East now 33-7 in non conference.
DePaul still on top on the Big East Standings to the left on this page.
U do realize Manhattan college is in The Bronx dont you?
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U do realize Manhattan college is in The Bronx dont you?
Columbia is located in Manhattan on the Upper West side.
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U do realize Manhattan college is in The Bronx dont you?
Good thing St. John's played Columbia and not Manhattan
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It would be helpful to the cause if Ewing and Associates can put a whuppin on 22nd ranked Shaka and Texas. The Game is in the Garden so hopefully some local Georgetown people show up.
https://www.hookem.com/2019/11/20/mens-preview-texas-vs-georgetown/
Also would a positive if Xavier can extend their unbeaten streak against Towson.
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Villianova is rolling. Can they get their mojo back in Myrtle Beach.
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Villianova is rolling. Can they get their mojo back in Myrtle Beach.
First game for Bryan Antoine after shoulder surgery in May.
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Doesn't really belong here, but I'm curious what Cooley's plan for recruiting the 2020 class is. They have an open scholarship this season and are graduating 5 players. Those 5 players are 5/6 of their current top minutes getters early in the season. So they have a lot to replace. Despite having six scholarships open they are leaving the early signing period with only 1 player on board, #220 ranked Alyn Breed. Cooley is going to need to have a big late signing period and/or offseason or next season could be really ugly for the Friars.
And yes Herman, I know you are a big fan of Cooley and Co.
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Doesn't really belong here, but I'm curious what Cooley's plan for recruiting the 2020 class is. They have an open scholarship this season and are graduating 5 players. Those 5 players are 5/6 of their current top minutes getters early in the season. So they have a lot to replace. Despite having six scholarships open they are leaving the early signing period with only 1 player on board, #220 ranked Alyn Breed. Cooley is going to need to have a big late signing period and/or offseason or next season could be really ugly for the Friars.
And yes Herman, I know you are a big fan of Cooley and Co.
I agree with this analysis.
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Ewing and Associates up 4 12:03 left second half
Xavier up 13 10:53 left second half
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Georgetown looks really good tonight. They will be hard to beat.
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Ewing and Associates win by 16 over Shaka. Quality win for the Hoyas.
X comfortably beat Tyson. They are now 5-0
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Impressive game by Georgetown. Looked great tonight compared to their first few games I've seen.
Xavier took care of Towson.
Seth Greenberg- "The Big East. LOADED.
Sean Farmham- "The Big East top to bottom you can say is the best conference in America"
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Impressive game by Georgetown. Looked great tonight compared to their first few games I've seen.
Xavier took care of Towson.
Seth Greenberg- "The Big East. LOADED.
Sean Farmham- "The Big East top to bottom you can say is the best conference in America"
They followed that with further hype about the Big East and some Markus mention.
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The Johnnies win the battle of Queens versus Manhattan and beat Columbia. Big East now 33-7 in non conference.
DePaul still on top on the Big East Standings to the left on this page.
Ah the sentence was confusing to say the least
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Future Big East Member U Conn tied with Buffalo at half 34-34.
Akok Akok is a serious pogo stick. Hopefully he goes pro before next year lol
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Didnt think Georgetown looked that great. Reminded me of when they beat us last year. Took a lot of early, well-defended shots. To their credit, they hit them. I don't know that it's a realistic way to win long term.
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Didnt think Georgetown looked that great. Reminded me of when they beat us last year. Took a lot of early, well-defended shots. To their credit, they hit them. I don't know that it's a realistic way to win long term.
I thought their defense looked very good. Mixed it up down low, made it hard for Texas to score. Other than Coleman bombing threes, the Longhorns couldn't get anything.
Is it just me, or does Akinjo travel on almost every possession? It's like he has a foot-drag move that the refs just weren't calling.
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Nova facing Ben Howland and Mississippi State at Myrtle Beach Invitational
Morehead State at Butler
Ewing and Associates versus Duke in the Garden
Cal Poly at Creighton
Future Big East Rivals X versus U Conn at Charleston Classic
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Nova facing Bob Howland and Mississippi State at Myrtle Beach Invitational
The new Legend. His older brother Ben is very proud.
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The new Legend. His older brother Ben is very proud.
Correction noted. Auto correct strikes again.
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I thought their defense looked very good. Mixed it up down low, made it hard for Texas to score. Other than Coleman bombing threes, the Longhorns couldn't get anything.
Is it just me, or does Akinjo travel on almost every possession? It's like he has a foot-drag move that the refs just weren't calling.
I will be at the Gtown game and hope that Marquette does not have to face a similar defensive performance. Gtown shut down a solid Texas team in the 2nd half. Impressive! If Yurtseven stays out of foul trouble (the announcers correctly noted that # 4 and #5 were just dumb) they are going to be a handful.
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I thought their defense looked very good. Mixed it up down low, made it hard for Texas to score. Other than Coleman bombing threes, the Longhorns couldn't get anything.
Is it just me, or does Akinjo travel on almost every possession? It's like he has a foot-drag move that the refs just weren't calling.
Based on the Wisconsin game officiating, I'd say Akinjo may be living on borrowed time.
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Georgetown is bunghole
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Solid win for Nova over Howland and Mississippi State.
JRE looking strong.
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Solid win for Nova over Howland and Mississippi State.
JRE looking strong.
Providence over NJIT and Nova over Miss State are the same level of solid.
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Butler trailing Morehead State on FS1.
Duke/Georegtown to start on espn2.
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Ewing and Associates out to an early lead 12-7 15 minutes left first
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Butler tied with one of the best named teams in college basketball at half.
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Ewing and Associates up 10 with 9:04 left first 22-12
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Solid win for Nova over THE GREAT BEN HOWLAND and Mississippi State.
FIFY
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Ewing and Associates tied at half
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we better be ready to roll with some of these dogs! you've got to be ready to play against everyone...including the evansvilles and the bob morris' of the world
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Butler up 13 against the best named team in college basketball.
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Butler won by 18
Worth noting that Derrick Smits Butler's 7-1 transfer center has not played all year due to knee issues. In the meantime they have been getting good inside production from Bryce Nze and Bryce Golden .
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Duke won 81-73
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Duke won 81-73
Ewing blew a gasket at some very friendly Coach K calls.
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Ewing blew a gasket at some very friendly Coach K calls.
In Ewing's defense the new flop rules appear not to apply to Duke.
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Creighton with solid win over Cal Poly
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Yurtseven on GTown reminds me of freshman Theo but with a nice offensive game. He could be a good one. McClung and Akinjo are quick but make some poor decisions. GTown did a nice job at times getting the ball inside. And refs definitely made a number of questionable calls in Duke's favor.
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Yurtseven on GTown reminds me of freshman Theo but with a nice offensive game. He could be a good one. McClung and Akinjo are quick but make some poor decisions. GTown did a nice job at times getting the ball inside. And refs definitely made a number of questionable calls in Duke's favor.
But isn't Yurtseven in his 4th year of college ball? I would think he should be more advanced than freshman Theo. From what I've seen of him in the past he was pretty mobile for his size.
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But isn't Yurtseven in his 4th year of college ball? I would think he should be more advanced than freshman Theo. From what I've seen of him in the past he was pretty mobile for his size.
Yes. My bad. I thought I heard the announcers indicate he was an underclassman.
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Yurtseven on GTown reminds me of freshman Theo but with a nice offensive game. He could be a good one. McClung and Akinjo are quick but make some poor decisions. GTown did a nice job at times getting the ball inside. And refs definitely made a number of questionable calls in Duke's favor.
mcClung scares the chit out of me. the lil b'sterd can ring the cowbell man. had an off night only playing 14 min, 2/7(2/3), but someone better stay in his yockstrap
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Going to a 2OT with Xavier/UConn on ESPNU.
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This X game may qualify as the worst officiated game all year.
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Going to a 2OT with Xavier/UConn on ESPNU.
A preview of our league next year.
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This X game may qualify as the worst officiated game all year.
Until the next close game we lose!
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Loved seeing X beat those dirt bags from U Conn.
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mcClung scares the chit out of me. the lil b'sterd can ring the cowbell man. had an off night only playing 14 min, 2/7(2/3), but someone better stay in his yockstrap
Yeah, he can get hot.
But he was a chucker last year. And hes been one so far this year.
Him and Akinjo have crazy potential but they are not efficient players.......yet.
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Five Big East today. All games hard to find. Schedule posted in the top pinned thread.
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No one in the stands at BC, so DePaul should feel like it is a home game. Game tied 16;44 left first
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The Hall up comfortably at half over Florida A and M.
DePaul up 30-28 at half at Boston College.
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DePaul up 4 over BC with 8:24 left second.
Very Sloppy game.
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3:35 Left DePaul up 60-55 . BC at the line coming out of TV time out.
Lots of players in fouls trouble for DePaul
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65 -64 DePaul 52 second left. DePaul has the ball.
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DePaul wins 72-67 over BC. Road win over an ACC team is a good thing for our league.
Charlie Moore had a big game down the stretch. Scored 24
The freshman Weems was impressive.
Blue Demons now 6-0
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Seton Hall win helps the league cause.
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Prematurely thought DePaul would have a breakout last year, but this year seems to be the one for them. Playing well. Road wins are tough and they have several already.
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Prematurely thought DePaul would have a breakout last year, but this year seems to be the one for them. Playing well. Road wins are tough and they have several already.
They played well down the stretch on the road. Part of the process of learning how to win.
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Providence getting outplayed by Penn...and losing. Have been down double digits in 1st half
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Providence getting outplayed by Penn...and losing. Have been down double digits in 1st half
Cooley & Company need to get their act together.
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Providence punked by Penn
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Providence punked by Penn
Penn was the better team today for sure.
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Penn was the better team today for sure.
They have a win over Alabama on their ledger as well. Definitely can win the Ivy League
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They have a win over Alabama on their ledger as well. Definitely can win the Ivy League
Generally speaking Penn has a decent athletic department.
Nova better watch out in the Big 5 game.
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The Johnnies blew a 9 point half time lead and lost to Hurley and Arizona State. Remy Martin was smooth in the second half for the Sun Devils.
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They have a win over Alabama on their ledger as well. Definitely can win the Ivy League
And Yale beat Penn State today. Ivy teams at the top are no pushovers
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X looks like a very, very tough team. Several grown men on that team.
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X looks like a very, very tough team. Several grown men on that team.
Been their m.o. for quite some time.
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Been their m.o. for quite some time.
They weren't quite skilled enough or healthy enough grown men last season. They look like they're back to being the real deal.
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They weren't quite skilled enough or healthy enough grown men last season. They look like they're back to being the real deal.
True. My point was that toughness has been the calling card of a lot of good Xavier teams over the past 20 years or so.
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Creighton down by 5 at half to North Florida
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Creighton fought their way back. Up 44-41 with 16:00 left second.
Classic Creighton running and threes. Enjoyable to style of play to watch.
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Creighton on one of their three point rampages. Now up by 12 with 18 left.
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They weren't quite skilled enough or healthy enough grown men last season. They look like they're back to being the real deal.
They are an experienced, physical, ready to play at tip off, long team.
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Creighton Won 76-67. They are down a few men right now. When Mintz comes back from injury and Denzel Mahoney is eligible, they should have some more depth.
Mitch Ballock hit the shot for the fans to earn Godfathers Pizza. 8-)
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The Johnnies up 1 over U Mass 3:51 first
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U Mass up 1 over the The Johnnies at the half. Game at Mohegan Sun. Very few fans in attendance.
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Johnnies win by 15.
Solid coaching job by Mike Anderson
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'Nova/Baylor has been great so far. Currently tied at 38 going to the half, never seen a lead of more than 3 for either team. Tons of lead changes. Fun back-and-forth affair.
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Just turned the game on and saw a couple of nice dimes by Gillespie. I was never impressed by him but maybe this is the year for him.
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Wow, is this Baylor/Villanova an excellent game. I would think Xavier/Florida will be the same.
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Wow, is this Baylor/Villanova an excellent game. I would think Xavier/Florida will be the same.
This has the feel of a Sweet 16 game. Really good stuff on both ends.
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True. My point was that toughness has been the calling card of a lot of good Xavier teams over the past 20 years or so.
Xavier does have a good culture. Just year 2 of Travis Steele and X is rated higher than us in KenPom. Frustrating. Butler in Year 3 of Jordan, and they are ranked higher than us too. Our culture/calling card under Wojo so far has been elite level 3-point shooting. Not having Rowsey and the Hausers is really going to make life hard on Markus this year.
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Looks like 'Nova is going to fall. Interesting stat I heard yesterday...the last 6 NCAA champs and 9 of the last 10 won their exempt tournament.
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Xavier rally in Second Half fell short. Will officially show as a neutral site loss, but it was effectively a home game for Florida. Place was packed with their fans.
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True. My point was that toughness has been the calling card of a lot of good Xavier teams over the past 20 years or so.
That used to be our identity as well
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That used to be our identity as well
That was one of our identities....
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Xavier does have a good culture. Just year 2 of Travis Steele and X is rated higher than us in KenPom. Frustrating. Butler in Year 3 of Jordan, and they are ranked higher than us too. Our culture/calling card under Wojo so far has been elite level 3-point shooting. Not having Rowsey and the Hausers is really going to make life hard on Markus this year.
Personally, I think it is about a month too early for Ken Pom to mean a whole lot. Butler has played the 306th strongest schedule. MU 110th.
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Personally, I think it is about a month too early for Ken Pom to mean a whole lot. Butler has played the 306th strongest schedule. MU 110th.
The rankings reflect who you've played. It's not a dumb system such as RPI
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The rankings reflect who you've played. It's not a dumb system such as RPI
That's fine, and it factors in margin of victory, etc...which RPI didn't. Ken will say his rankings "improve" with more data (i.e. games). In November, it is too early to say much about the rankings at this point IMO. A few examples, Purdue is ranked 10th in KenPom at the moment. I don't think they stay in the top 25 by year's end. Butler is 22nd, I don't think they stay in the top 25 either.
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That's fine, and it factors in margin of victory, etc...which RPI didn't. Ken will say his rankings "improve" with more data (i.e. games). In November, it is too early to say much about the rankings at this point IMO. A few examples, Purdue is ranked 10th in KenPom at the moment. I don't think they stay in the top 25 by year's end. Butler is 22nd, I don't think they stay in the top 25 either.
Guessing this is a Hoosier board talking point?
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That's fine, and it factors in margin of victory, etc...which RPI didn't. Ken will say his rankings "improve" with more data (i.e. games). In November, it is too early to say much about the rankings at this point IMO. A few examples, Purdue is ranked 10th in KenPom at the moment. I don't think they stay in the top 25 by year's end. Butler is 22nd, I don't think they stay in the top 25 either.
Why year’s end? What about in a month? Lol
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That's fine, and it factors in margin of victory, etc...which RPI didn't. Ken will say his rankings "improve" with more data (i.e. games). In November, it is too early to say much about the rankings at this point IMO. A few examples, Purdue is ranked 10th in KenPom at the moment. I don't think they stay in the top 25 by year's end. Butler is 22nd, I don't think they stay in the top 25 either.
After smoking Missouri in Missouri tonight, Butler is 18th. There is no one in the Big East playing better
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Butler solid win over Missouri . Goes in the book as a neutral game , but since tournament is in Kansas City effectively a home game for Mizzou.
Butler 6-0 . Derrick Smits still out with injury. Bryce Nze and Bryce Golden continuing to show strength inside .
Butler Early performance helpful to the leagues cause
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Butler v Mizzou was a Neutral site tourney game at Sprint Center in KC, early tip. Part of a double dip. Oklahoma was blown out by 7-0 Stanford in the 2nd game. Stanford scored the first 17 points of the game. Winners and losers play each other tonight. Each year, The Sprint Center in KC will host games/events for KU, Mizzou, K-State, and sometimes other regional teams.
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Big East unbeaten teams in action tonight
Butler vs Stanford in KC
DePaul hosting high scoring Central Michigan
Rooting for a good night for the Big East
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Big East unbeaten teams in action tonight
Butler vs Stanford in KC
DePaul hosting high scoring Central Michigan
Rooting for a good night for the Big East
If Depaul makes it through this week undefeated I'm calling it that they end up ranked. That'd be three power conference teams they've beaten even if there's no real "Big" names on there.
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Anyone know of the resource that lists record by each conference against the other conferences? I have seen it in previous season but cannot seem to locate this year.
thanks!
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Anyone know of the resource that lists record by each conference against the other conferences? I have seen it in previous season but cannot seem to locate this year.
thanks!
Free rpi used to have it but not sure if it's still live
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If Depaul makes it through this week undefeated I'm calling it that they end up ranked. That'd be three power conference teams they've beaten even if there's no real "Big" names on there.
DePaul isn't even getting votes in the AP and only got one vote in the Coaches Poll. They aren't going to jump from that to top 25 in one week.
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DePaul isn't even getting votes in the AP and only got one vote in the Coaches Poll. They aren't going to jump from that to top 25 in one week.
Don't they play Texas tech and buffalo this week? I'd say those wins would make them jump quite a few teams
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Don't they play Texas tech and buffalo this week? I'd say those wins would make them jump quite a few teams
They play Central Michigan and Minnesota this week. That wouldn't be enough IMO. They play Tech and Buff next week.
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They play Central Michigan and Minnesota this week. That wouldn't be enough IMO. They play Tech and Buff next week.
I should really look at a calendar one of these days.
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I should really look at a calendar one of these days.
if DePaul goes 3-1 over the next four they'll get more votes but they're still DePaul, an insignificant program not on the radar of the national media. It will take more than that to get them ranked.
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DePaul was a legit team last year and the line up this year is even better.
They have some competitive games coming up. Realistic goal to win 10 games non conference and hopefully build up some fan interest for conference play .
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DePaul was a legit team last year and the line up this year is even better.
They have some competitive games coming up. Realistic goal to win 10 games non conference and hopefully build up some fan interest for conference play .
If legit means 'not good' then yes. They were a horrendous team on defense and outside of Reed, their offense benefited from three senior - quite an experienced team.
This year they're 'OK'. Well traveled Charlie Moore helps a ton; Paul Reed is legit; Weems has played well. 23-year old JCL - another transfer - helps and could push them up. I like a couple of other pieces (like Butz nh)... after that.. not much to speak of. That might be enough to flirt with a 8 or 9 conf wins.
Gage does not do it for me. Can ancient sophomore Hall step up? Jacobs? meh
An OK team, and they can certainly beat out a weak team like Georgetown.. but, they'll need more guys stepping up if they're going to make a big move up
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5-1 Central Michigan up on DePaul 35-20 on FS1.
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5-1 Central Michigan up on DePaul 35-20 on FS1.
DePaul isn’t going to be ranked anytime soon.
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5-1 Central Michigan up on DePaul 35-20 on FS1.
Some 5-1 records are different then others......they have played 1 high major......lost to Minnesota by 25
Look good tonight though
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After smoking Missouri in Missouri tonight, Butler is 18th. There is no one in the Big East playing better
Is Missouri supposed to be good this year?
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Some 5-1 records are different then others......they have played 1 high major......lost to Minnesota by 25
Look good tonight though
Only 2 wins are against D-1 teams, and one against one of the worst in D-1 (352 of 353 in Kenpom) in MVSU. DePaul is a fraud.
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C. Michigan looks like a very talented group putting it to DePaul at the half.
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Crown ‘EM
I watched Central Mich is person last week (thanks, J5, I owe you). They missed a bunch of layups & Minn shot lights out. The game was odd & Central Mich isn’t terrible.
But with DePaul just being OK, this can happen. Plenty of time to turn it around... both teams like to run
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Yeah it turned around......Depaul has taken the lead with 11 minutes to go.
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Yeah it turned around......Depaul has taken the lead with 11 minutes to go.
Beating DePaul would definitely be a quality win. They have some real talent this year.
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DePaul wins by 13. 56 point second half
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DePaul wins by 18. 56 point second half
I'd double check that math.
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I'd double check that math.
Correction Noted
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Butler and Stanford tied at half.
Sean McDermott left in a wheelchair . Ankle or Achilles injury. Butler was up nine before the injury.
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correction needed.
DePaul was down by 18 at half. And, won by 13. 31 point turn around.
It's time to start believing.
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Beating DePaul would definitely be a quality win. They have some real talent this year.
Which is a bit surprising since so many of the college hoops experts here said they would finis( in the basement again. ?-(
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correction needed.
DePaul was down by 18 at half. And, won by 13. 31 point turn around.
It's time to start believing.
Time to start believing because they beat Central Michigan? Pass.
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correction needed.
DePaul was down by 18 at half. And, won by 13. 31 point turn around.
It's time to start believing.
Hey buddy, around here we judge teams by halves. Get with it!!
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Butler up 6 61-55 4:05 left second half. McDermott returned with ankle taped . Baldwin with some key baskets as they pushed ahead
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Butler Stanford tied at 62 1:52 left
Stanford has some talented athletes
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Well I had DePaul -12. Might be the most unlikely bet I've ever won.
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Baldwin putting on a show for Butler with two circus shots over in-his-face defense in the final minutes.
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Wow Butler and Kamar with an exciting win. Baldwin 17 of final 20 including game winning shot.
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Butler with the 1 point win - great last 5 minutes. Baldwin was awesome down the stretch.
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BEast is gonna be a beyotch this season!
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BEast is gonna be a beyotch this season!
Yes sir...another thing Buzz got wrong.
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It’s almost as if we should judge games by.., games.., and not the “half” analysis scoopers have dreamt up this year
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Great thing have a multi tv set up. Butler and SFA thrillers.
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Great thing have a multi tv set up. Butler and SFA thrillers.
Yup
Unranked teams beat Duke, Kentucky, Michigan State and others...makes you wonder if our fans pay attention to basketball this time of year and what happens as teams gel, and come together.
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Which is a bit surprising since so many of the college hoops experts here said they would finis( in the basement again. ?-(
Rofl. I bet you 200 dollars here and now DePaul finishes 9th or 10th
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Yes sir...another thing Buzz got wrong.
Yep, when he left for the ACC he was really stepping down in class. LOL.
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Rofl. I bet you 200 dollars here and now DePaul finishes 9th or 10th
Let’s do it. Right now. I will donate my winnings to charity. They will finish 8th or better.
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Yes sir...another thing Buzz got wrong.
This time last year I thought you were a decently smart individual. The past few months have proven otherwise, cemented by this statement
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Yep, when he left for the ACC he was really stepping down in class. LOL.
I’m talking about his comments ripping on the Big East, who has won two national titles since then and will be an excellent conference this year.
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Let’s do it. Right now. I will donate my winnings to charity. They will finish 8th or better.
#donedeal
I choose Https://researchautism.org/
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I’m talking about his comments ripping on the big east, Villanova has won two national titles since then and carried this currently pathetic conference to any sort of relevance
Fixed
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This time last year I thought you were a decently smart individual. The past few months have proven otherwise, cemented by this statement
Awww. I’m touched. Why is it that I know you have no idea what I was referencing which was Buzz thrashing the Big East conference on his way out....thus my statement in how wrong he was about the Big East. Smooch
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Butler win was a big confidence booster . They have four more tough games on the non con schedule.
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Fixed
Your statement is true as is mine. Buzz was wrong...again.
My charity will be https://www.childrensdiabetesfoundation.org/
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Next challenge for DePaul is winning a road game at Minnesota.
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Next challenge for DePaul is winning a road game at Minnesota.
Very winnable
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Well I had DePaul -12. Might be the most unlikely bet I've ever won.
I had this one too. What a crazy second half!
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Seton Hall has a tough test tonight against undefeated 11th ranked Oregon at the Battle 4 for Atlantis.
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I really wish Seton Hall had challenged themselves this season.
Teal necessary?
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I really wish Seton Hall had challenged themselves this season.
Teal necessary?
I'll be honest...I hate their schedule. I would never want Marquette to schedule the way SHU did this year. With the top-end games, it feels likely they will come out with 3-4 non-con losses (at least 1 in Atlantis, probably 1-2 of the ISU/Rutgers/Maryland stretch) but their cupcakes all suck and will drag down their NCSOS. Give me lower-end marquee games and higher-end cupcakes every time. Likely end up with a similar SOS, but better odds of win quantity.
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I'll be honest...I hate their schedule. I would never want Marquette to schedule the way SHU did this year. With the top-end games, it feels likely they will come out with 3-4 non-con losses (at least 1 in Atlantis, probably 1-2 of the ISU/Rutgers/Maryland stretch) but their cupcakes all suck and will drag down their NCSOS. Give me lower-end marquee games and higher-end cupcakes every time. Likely end up with a similar SOS, but better odds of win quantity.
It is definitely a bold/risky move. As you say, if all balances out it may be better to have more wins w/ a more reasonable schedule. But imagine if they can pull this off and stack up the wins? It could be huge for SHU and in turn for the BE as well.
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It is definitely a bold/risky move. As you say, if all balances out it may be better to have more wins w/ a more reasonable schedule. But imagine if they can pull this off and stack up the wins? It could be huge for SHU and in turn for the BE as well.
It reminds me a ton of some of the Buzz schedules, especially his last year here. There were big opportunities against Ohio State, UW, and games away from home vs San Diego State, New Mexico, and ASU, but the balance of the schedule was crapcakes that dragged our NCSOS according to kenpom down to 205. So you end up with a bottom half SOS despite a ton of major opportunities.
Compare that to Villanova the same year. They only had 3 top-50 opponents (went 2-1 in those games) but of their seven home games against non-high-major teams, they played 3 top-130 teams and only one sub-250. That got them a top-100 NCSOS despite fewer games against top-tier competition.
Both teams played 7 home games, 3 neutral, and 3 away, but because 'Nova stacked quality cupcakes and minimized losing opportunities, their NCSOS was 118 spots higher. And while it could be argued "But 'Nova went 12-1 while MU went 8-5" that actually also plays into Nova's favor as those wins mean the teams they played generally fared worse than the teams Marquette played, so that only further emphasizes the quality of 'Nova's schedule.
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I really wish Seton Hall had challenged themselves this season.
Teal necessary?
MSU was Gavitt Games, this week is a tourney they were scheduled for a few years ago. Not really their choices in who they end up playing.
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It reminds me a ton of some of the Buzz schedules, especially his last year here. There were big opportunities against Ohio State, UW, and games away from home vs San Diego State, New Mexico, and ASU, but the balance of the schedule was crapcakes that dragged our NCSOS according to kenpom down to 205. So you end up with a bottom half SOS despite a ton of major opportunities.
Compare that to Villanova the same year. They only had 3 top-50 opponents (went 2-1 in those games) but of their seven home games against non-high-major teams, they played 3 top-130 teams and only one sub-250. That got them a top-100 NCSOS despite fewer games against top-tier competition.
Both teams played 7 home games, 3 neutral, and 3 away, but because 'Nova stacked quality cupcakes and minimized losing opportunities, their NCSOS was 118 spots higher. And while it could be argued "But 'Nova went 12-1 while MU went 8-5" that actually also plays into Nova's favor as those wins mean the teams they played generally fared worse than the teams Marquette played, so that only further emphasizes the quality of 'Nova's schedule.
Makes sense, brewski.
I nominate you to the MU Scheduling Board!
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Makes sense, brewski.
I nominate you to the MU Scheduling Board!
I was really not a fan of our scheduling for quite awhile and the first couple years under Wojo were ugly. Scheduling as much as performance cost us a postseason appearance in Henry's year here. This year's schedule is the best we've had under Wojo. There are legitimately challenging games, but all are in the winnable category, while the buy games are good enough to provide some challenge and against teams that will be good in their leagues which provides a nice SOS boost. Really smartly done.
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I was really not a fan of our scheduling for quite awhile and the first couple years under Wojo were ugly. Scheduling as much as performance cost us a postseason appearance in Henry's year here. This year's schedule is the best we've had under Wojo. There are legitimately challenging games, but all are in the winnable category, while the buy games are good enough to provide some challenge and against teams that will be good in their leagues which provides a nice SOS boost. Really smartly done.
I honestly think all of your writing on the subject over the past few years has influenced the admin to schedule better. If that is indeed the case, thanks
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I honestly think all of your writing on the subject over the past few years has influenced the admin to schedule better. If that is indeed the case, thanks
Whatever has led to the improvement I'm grateful for. I think the biggest difference in how I view the schedule is that I look at it from the bottom up. While other people get excited for Kansas or Michigan State early, I don't really differentiate between high majors. Purdue, Davidson, & KSU is as good as MSU, Gonzaga, & UNC (better if you go 3-0).
But if you give me potential Q3 home games like NDSU & Loyola-Maryland instead of Chicago State & Alabama A&M, that's the quality that impacts seeding. Still in awe that we got a Q1A home game as a buy (Buffalo) last year. Those are the little things most fans won't notice but change seed lines in March.
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Seton Hall up 8 with 8:21 left first
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The Hall and The Ducks tied 3:32 left first half
Powell chucking it
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The Hall up 4 at the half .
Oregon with some unsportsmanlike conduct.
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The Hall up 13 17:28 left second
Powell got hot
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Are they letting travels go at Atlantis? SHU has had three really egregious travels ignored, starting with the Powell 3 before the trip.
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The Hall up 16 15:10 left second
Powell on fire .
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Hall up 57-41 13:42 left second
Powell 7 3s so far
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The Hall up 10 12 minutes left second half
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Oregon not going away, 60-55 SHU leads with 9 to play.
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60-57 The Hall 8:19 left
Pritchard on fire. That kid is talented .
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The Hall up 8 6:57 left
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The Hall up 67-61 4:25 left
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Tied 1:09 left
Powell back to chucking
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Hate to see it.
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The Hall screwed the Big East and lost
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Live by The Powell die by The Powell
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Seton Hall snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Kevin Willard is such a terrible coach. Never adjusted to the press, never found another offensive option beyond "let Powell take crazy shots" and once he lost the "he's on fire" status, it was over.
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What a collapse by the Hall.
As Herm said they basically just gave the ball to Powell and let him go one on one. He got cold and they lost a 19 point 2nd half lead.
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And all of a sudden Powell can’t walk. Another significant ankle injury that keeps him out 0 games?
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Seton Hall snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Kevin Willard is such a terrible coach. Never adjusted to the press, never found another offensive option beyond "let Powell take crazy shots" and once he lost the "he's on fire" status, it was over.
And yet, nationally, the "experts" rave about him.
Hall fell apart, and in the end Hero Ball couldn't save them
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Just felt like oregon would win. 50 50 balls going there way. There go ahead score was an air ball by the pg that fell perfectly into the hands of a big for an easy lay up then another hall TO. Pretty pathetic loss tbh. Big east not looking great in these tourneys
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And all of a sudden Powell can’t walk. Another significant ankle injury that keeps him out 0 games?
Yeah...that was odd to say the least. He was completely fine as the shot was going up and then like 10 seconds later decided he was hurt and couldn’t even walk and the entire team carried him off the floor?
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Could have been cramping as they suggested on tv.
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Just felt like oregon would win. 50 50 balls going there way. There go ahead score was an air ball by the pg that fell perfectly into the hands of a big for an easy lay up then another hall TO. Pretty pathetic loss tbh. Big east not looking great in these tourneys
Seton Hall lost a 2 point game to a top 10 team. They looked very good.
Xavier and Nova lost in the finals of their tournaments to very good teams.
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Seton Hall lost a 2 point game to a top 10 team. They looked very good.
Xavier and Nova lost in the finals of their tournaments to very good teams.
Butler won it's tournament.
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Seton Hall lost a 2 point game to a top 10 team. They Myles Powell looked very good.
Xavier and Nova lost in the finals of their tournaments to very good teams.
FIFY
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Seton Hall lost a 2 point game to a top 10 team. They looked very good.
Xavier and Nova lost in the finals of their tournaments to very good teams.
Blowing a 19pt lead in the second half sure has a weird way of looking "very good"
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Myles Powell gonna Myles Powell. Shekashvili (who I like) was last seen asking the hotel front desk clerk for a pad of paper.
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Kevin Willard is terrible. He has no tricks in his bag except "give it to Myles and pray." He's Chris Mullin with Powell replacing Ponds. They never figured out how to adapt to the press when Oregon started throwing it at them in the first half and never had any offensive cohesion beyond Powell throwing up prayers. They also got worked on the glass on both ends despite having two 7'2" monsters in the middle. Letting that lead go was incredibly uninspiring, especially because Oregon didn't really look great even in coming back.
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Seton Hall has played two top 10 teams (I realize Oregon is ranked 11...my guess is they win one of their next two games and are ranked in the top 10 on Monday). They’ve lost by a combined, I believe, 5 points. I get that we hate SHU and so we dug in on the take that they’re overrated, but them and Nova look head and shoulders better than anyone else in the BE to me. I’d be surprised if we beat them this year.
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the box score for seton hall-oregon game is stunning
seton hall- fg 24/59(40.7%), 3 pt 7/15 (51.9%) FREE THROWS 7/9(77.8%)
oregon- fg 25/53(47.2%), 3 pt 5/15 (33.3%) 16/28 (57.1%)
i guess FREE THROWS NO MATTA eyn'a?? ?-(
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Kevin Willard is terrible. He has no tricks in his bag except "give it to Myles and pray." He's Chris Mullin with Powell replacing Ponds. They never figured out how to adapt to the press when Oregon started throwing it at them in the first half and never had any offensive cohesion beyond Powell throwing up prayers. They also got worked on the glass on both ends despite having two 7'2" monsters in the middle. Letting that lead go was incredibly uninspiring, especially because Oregon didn't really look great even in coming back.
Wojo with Powell replacing Markus?
I kid I kid. Relax, projos.
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Four games today. Schedule posted on the pinned thread at the top. Have a great Thanksgiving and go MU!
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Seton Hall sucks
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Seton Hall has played two top 10 teams (I realize Oregon is ranked 11...my guess is they win one of their next two games and are ranked in the top 10 on Monday). They’ve lost by a combined, I believe, 5 points. I get that we hate SHU and so we dug in on the take that they’re overrated, but them and Nova look head and shoulders better than anyone else in the BE to me. I’d be surprised if we beat them this year.
The cool thing is that we get to find out. Twice.
Maybe 3X.
Maybe even 4X if both teams are fortunate and good enough!
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Can you imagine the meltdown on this board if Wojo lost a 19 point 2nd half lead?
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Can you imagine the meltdown on this board if Wojo lost a 19 point 2nd half lead?
Yes.
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Kevin Willard is terrible. He has no tricks in his bag except "give it to Myles and pray." He's Chris Mullin with Powell replacing Ponds. They never figured out how to adapt to the press when Oregon started throwing it at them in the first half and never had any offensive cohesion beyond Powell throwing up prayers. They also got worked on the glass on both ends despite having two 7'2" monsters in the middle. Letting that lead go was incredibly uninspiring, especially because Oregon didn't really look great even in coming back.
To me it looked like the Pirates just ran out of gas and had no energy especially those last 4 minutes. Powell was missing shots at the end he otherwise made all game.
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To me it looked like the Pirates just ran out of gas and had no energy especially those last 4 minutes. Powell was missing shots at the end he otherwise made all game.
The Pirates are who we thought they are. If Powell is hot, they are good. If not, they are middling.
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The Pirates are who we thought they are.
If you wanna crown 'em, crown their arse!
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Cooley& Company up 12. 10 minutes left
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Cooley and company had a 17 point lead.......they lost 66-65
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Cooley and company had a 17 point lead.......they lost 66-65
Long Beach isn’t even a state
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Providence has simply put been an embarrassment so far.
And what sucks is they have enough talent to beat anyone. So at this point losing to them is still very possible, but will look like trash.
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Cooley and company had a 17 point lead.......they lost 66-65
After fouling a 3 point shooter with 3 seconds to go. I mean, no one really thought Providence was going to be very good this year anyway, did they??
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Providence is very disappointing. Blew today's game.
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Cooley & Company screwed the Big East again by losing.
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Long Beach State entered today 285th in KenPom. PU was a 17-point favorite by KenPom. That’s a pretty brutal loss
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After fouling a 3 point shooter with 3 seconds to go. I mean, no one really thought Providence was going to be very good this year anyway, did they??
Lots of people did. Some here think they are definitely better than Marquette.
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After fouling a 3 point shooter with 3 seconds to go. I mean, no one really thought Providence was going to be very good this year anyway, did they??
I thought they had potential to be one of the better teams in the league. And definitely not one of the bottom dwellers(which right now it appears they will be).
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Providence has simply put been an embarrassment so far.
Massive disappointment. Diallo has not been good.
I know Cooley gets a lot of credit as a long tenured coach, but I'm starting to wonder if he's just not good.
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Glad to see MU and Wojo making up for Willard and Cooley Faux Pas
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Creighton down 15 at half to San Diego State at Las Vegas Invitational
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Can you imagine the meltdown on this board if Wojo lost a 19 point 2nd half lead?
Its happened
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Creighton down 15 at half to San Diego State at Las Vegas Invitational
Creighton down 30 with a few mins left. Oof.
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Creighton loses by 31 and screwed the Big East.
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Creighton good effort in second half
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Minnesota closes the half on a 9-0 run. DePaul leads 35-33 at halftime on FS1.
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Announcers said 33yrs since DePaul's started this well
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Announcers said 33yrs since DePaul's started this well
Iowa, a team DePaul soundly beat, bounced back with an upset win last night vs Texas Tech.
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Iowa, a team DePaul soundly beat, bounced back with an upset win last night vs Texas Tech.
Saw that. If they win today I might just be a believer
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Saw that. If they win today I might just be a believer
This gopher team sucks ass.
I'd be more concerned if DePaul doesnt win this one
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This gopher team sucks ass.
I'd be more concerned if DePaul doesnt win this one
That'd be three high major road wins. I don't care who they're against that's a huge step for depaul.
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That'd be three high major road wins. I don't care who they're against that's a huge step for depaul.
Well yeah,
But thats different than being a believer in them.
Watching them right now I think they could wind up a tourney team. But they will kinda go as Moore goes it appears.
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Well yeah,
But thats different than being a believer in them.
Watching them right now I think they could wind up a tourney team. But they will kinda go as Moore goes it appears.
All I know is they are not finishing 9th or 10th, and #unleashcain will be cutting a check for $200 for charity
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DePaul hangs on. 73-68.
Wins at two Big Ten schools and one ACC.
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Great game saving block by Paul Reed
DePaul doing their share to help the Big East
8-0
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Fire Providence into the sun
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I'm in a lost for words watching Providence on my other TV screen.
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Didn't norlander have Providence as his pick to win the BEast? lol
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Cooley and Co. may be filing for bankruptcy
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Cooley & Company not only screwed the Big East again they flipped us the bird while doing it . Aargh....
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Didn't norlander have Providence as his pick to win the BEast? lol
Norlander and Parrish are absolute hack jokes
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Providence just lost to Charleston
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Norlander and Parrish are absolute hack jokes
Hack jokes?
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Seton Hall 53-52 on Iowa State. Game is on ESPNU.
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Go Cyclones.
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Hack jokes?
They are hacks, and jokes
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Seton Hall beats Iowa State. Both will play again in 9 days in Ames.
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Seton Hall does The Big East proud and beats MU West
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Creighton collapse on to OT
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Creighton regroups And gets the W
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Fun game to watch. Neither team got into the double bonus in overtime.
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Creighton gets back in the good graces of the league by beating Texas Tech.
Back to their enjoyable style of play.
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They are hacks, and jokes
They are a fun listen, especially when they seriously hesitate in their picks for an MU game because of their fear of the response from the MU fan base. Last night Norlander picked MU over Maryland and part of his thought process was considering what would happen in his timeline if he didn’t. Rabid.
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Pomeroy bunching:
58. DePaul !!!!!
59. Wisconsin
60. Providence
61. Creighton
62. Georgetown
Others top 100 opponents:
9. Purdue
13. Nova
15. Seton Hall
17. Maryland
20. Butler
29. Xavier
67. USC
75. Davidson
77. Kansas St
93. SJU
BTW, UConn at 53
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They are a fun listen, especially when they seriously hesitate in their picks for an MU game because of their fear of the response from the MU fan base. Last night Norlander picked MU over Maryland and part of his thought process was considering what would happen in his timeline if he didn’t. Rabid.
I’d say that makes MU Twitter fans more of the “joke hacks.”
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The Johnnies and x comfortably winning. Helps the Big East cause.
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Georgetown in trouble down 4 to INC Greensboro 3:37 left
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I believe UNCG was one of the first teams not to make the tournament last year. Big win at Georgetown. Hoyas should play all it's games at MSG. They seem to play flat and sloppy at home.
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Gtown a weird team. That's a game they need to win tho.
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Hoyas are just not a good team. They eye test will trick you at times because of the defensive pretty and tempo, but they're a poor defensive team that can't shoot very well. Bad combo.
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I believe UNCG was one of the first teams not to make the tournament last year. Big win at Georgetown. Hoyas should play all it's games at MSG. They seem to play flat and sloppy at home.
They should've made it, but mid-major bias gave bids to St John's and Arizona State instead. Wes Miller looked like a future star head coach. He should be on any major program's short list.
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Georgetown's season could get very interesting. Their next two games are on the road at Oklahoma State & SMU, they'll likely be underdogs in both games. Then they host a Syracuse team that could be equally desperate (also 4-3 with two challenging games before Georgetown).
After NYC, it sounded like some national pundits were ready to put Ewing & the Hoyas into the upper echelon of the Big East, but their season could go sideways in a hurry.
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Someone’s gotta take Depauls place in the bottom. Better for the league for PRovodence and Gtown to be 4-14 as opposed to 8+ League wins at this point. Would be nice for them to stop losing bad non con games, tho.
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Someone’s gotta take Depauls place in the bottom. Better for the league for PRovodence and Gtown to be 4-14 as opposed to 8+ League wins at this point. Would be nice for them to stop losing bad non con games, tho.
I think there will be a logjam of teams around 6-12 or 7-11. This league is going to be a bear. The winning team is probably 11-7, maybe 12-6. A lot of teams will be bunched. Road wins are like gold in this league this year.
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Ewing and Associates screwed The Big East with their home loss.
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I think there will be a logjam of teams around 6-12 or 7-11. This league is going to be a bear. The winning team is probably 11-7, maybe 12-6. A lot of teams will be bunched. Road wins are like gold in this league this year.
Agreed which is why the rest of the non conference is huge for MU. Specifically, the next 7 days. Need to get one of the two of Maryland or KSU and beat the rest of the bunnies. Should be in good shape as long as they hold serve at home in conference play. Lose both and they’ll need to get a few on the road. At least there will be plenty of opportunities for quality wins.
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Agreed which is why the rest of the non conference is huge for MU. Specifically, the next 7 days. Need to get one of the two of Maryland or KSU and beat the rest of the bunnies. Should be in good shape as long as they hold serve at home in conference play. Lose both and they’ll need to get a few on the road. At least there will be plenty of opportunities for quality wins.
If the league is as good as pundits say it will be -- no worst than second in the country -- there will be plenty of BEast teams in the NCAA tourney. Might not "need" as many total wins as we might think today.
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Cooley & Company need a win tomorrow .
Can't have the Friars going into conference play with a losing record.
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MU screwed The Big East by losing today. Hopefully, Nova and Cooley & Company can make up for our Faux Paus.
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Cooley & Company up 7 at half
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Cooley & Company finally got back in the win column.
Nova with a Big 5 victory over LaSalle.
Both wins help the leagues cause.
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The Johnnies and Mike Anderson getting positive local media coverage. That is very helpful to the cause of The Big East.
https://nypost.com/2019/11/30/supporting-cast-proves-mike-anderson-right-in-st-johns-rout/
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Butler with an opportunity to pick up a nice road win tonight at Mississippi.
Some religious match-ups in the rest of league play. The Johnnies versus St. Peters and Oral Roberts versus Creighton.
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DePaul with an opportunity to pick up a nice road win tonight at Mississippi.
Some religious match-ups in the rest of league play. The Johnnies versus St. Peters and Oral Roberts versus Creighton.
Butler is playing Ole Miss tonite. DePaul plays Texas Tech tomorrow night.
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Butler is playing Ole Miss tonite. DePaul plays Texas Tech tomorrow night.
Correction noted.
Easy to mistake those undefeated teams 8-)
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Sean McDermott will be playing tonight for Butler.
https://fox59.com/2019/12/02/butler-cracks-top-25-for-first-time-under-head-coach-lavall-jordan/
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The Johnnies up 20 16 min left second half
Butler up 9 at half over Ole Miss
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Butler up 15 over Ole Miss 16:12 left second half. Baldwin having an efficient game.
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The Johnnies up 20 16 min left second half
I loved the under!
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Butler up 50-34 13:05 left in second. Baldwin on fire. Hitting from all over the court
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Butler up 10 with 7:08 left. Ole Miss keeps trying to rally. Watching the game on SEC network. Their announcers have high regard for Butler and Baldwin.
The Johnnies won by 10 so that helps the leagues cause.
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Butler won 67-58 . 31 for Kamar. They are now 8-0.
Good road win for The Big East.
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Julian Champagnie scored 14 points and grabbed 11 rebounds for his first career double-double to lead St. John’s to a 79-69 win over St. Peter’s on Tuesday night. Peacocks made it much closer on a 17-2 run late.
LJ Figueroa had 19 points for St. John’s (7-2), which never trailed and dished a season-high 24 assists. Mustapha Heron added 17 points and Josh Roberts had eight rebounds and four blocks.
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Creighton up 11 over Oral Roberts 2:48 left first half.
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Creighton up 15 at half.
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Creighton wins by 12. The Blue Jays are going to be an interesting team when Davion Mintz comes back from injury and Denzel Mahoney is eligible.
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Five Big East games tonight. The networks are posted at the pinned thread. Busy night.
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Villanova up by 2 on Penn. 10 minutes left in FS1.
Xavier leads Green Bay by 5 on FS2.
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Villanova 80 - Penn 69 Final
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Big 5 games always hard fought battles. Helpful to the Big East cause that Nova won.
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Georgetown won at Oklahoma State. 81-74. Impressive.
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Georgetown won at Oklahoma State. 81-74. Impressive.
Yes very impressive. A possible case of addition by subtraction....
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DePaul ties with TTU 38-38 with just under 8 left in the 2nd half
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Completely forgot Terrence Shannon ended up going to Texas Tech after a year of prep school. He was literally in DePaul's backyard, went to Lincoln Park high school and originally committed to DePaul.
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DePaul ties it. Down by 3, and drains the three pointer with 7 seconds remaining. Overtime.
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After I guy who hadn’t missed a ft since March missed a ft that would have iced the game
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I could be mistaken but it almost seems like DePaul has fans at their home game
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This game is awesome
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DePaul with some smokin hot cheerleaders
Charlie Moore on fire too
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+1
Very very entertaining.
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I was totally okay with DePaul being horrible for multiple decades and would have been fine with that continuing
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DePaul fans storm the floor.
MU DePaul game going to be a ton of fun this year
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Storm the court against an unranked team.
Oh DePaul...
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Act like you've been there before DeP...
Never mind.
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Storm the court against an unranked team.
Oh DePaul...
And when they were undefeated. That's now how this is supposed to work...
I'm ready for DePaul to suck again.
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200th career win for Leitao
Next up Buffalo
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Yes, Depaul actually has fans! And they were so excited they beat Texas Tech in OT, they stormed the court. (admittedly it was exciting as Deapul hit a three to tie with seconds left and surged late in OT to take the lead.)
Depaul is now 9-0, first 9 game winning streak since 1993-94.
The blue demons are at Buffalo Sunday. If they win this, they should be ranked next week.
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Good for Depaul, they have suffered enough. And they are MU's natural conference rival. I would argue a better Depaul team is actually good for us.
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Funny when this match up was announced. Texas Tech said, mismatch.
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I mostly watched our guys, but I did keep flipping to this game, and it was very entertaining.
I'd love for Marquette-DePaul to be a rivalry again. They will give us 2 tough games this season.
My immediate reaction when they semi-sorta, slo-mo stormed the court was, "Really, you beat an unranked team and you're storming?" But why the hell not? It's been so long since they've been relevant. Good for them.
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And when they were undefeated. That's now how this is supposed to work...
I'm ready for DePaul to suck again.
It's coming...it starts Dec 30th aka Big east play where teams are familiar with them. Could easily see them close to .500 overall by season's end.
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Worth noting that Tech was playing without its leading scorer tonight.
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I mostly watched our guys, but I did keep flipping to this game, and it was very entertaining.
I'd love for Marquette-DePaul to be a rivalry again. They will give us 2 tough games this season.
My immediate reaction when they semi-sorta, slo-mo stormed the court was, "Really, you beat an unranked team and you're storming?" But why the hell not? It's been so long since they've been relevant. Good for them.
+1
Depaul home games are usually empty and essentially away games for them. No one cared for DECADES. So given the agony of their fans, yes the excitement and court rushing are warranted.
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+1
Depaul home games are usually empty and essentially away games from them. No one cared for DECADES. So given the agony of their fans, yes the excitement and court rushing are warranted.
Five years to judge, hey? +3
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Excellent night for The Big East
We want everyone to do well in Non Conference
Right now DePaul is our friend
Come December 30 it’s another matter
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I was a Sixer fan during the Dr J through Barkley years. Then I stopped paying attention to them. I don't think I'm allowed to suddenly call myself a Sixer fan were they to start the season 9-0.
So I ask, how many DePaul "fans" have really suffered vs just quit being fans?
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I was a Sixer fan during the Dr J through Barkley years. Then I stopped paying attention to them. I don't think I'm allowed to suddenly call myself a Sixer fan were they to start the season 9-0.
So I ask, how many DePaul "fans" have really suffered vs just quit being fans?
It looked the majority of the fans there tonight were kids from the school which is understandable if not applaudable.
It will take a while before the casual fan starts backing them again. They have to keep winning and then get local media behind them.
All I care about is that they go 13-0 non con
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I was a Sixer fan during the Dr J through Barkley years. Then I stopped paying attention to them. I don't think I'm allowed to suddenly call myself a Sixer fan were they to start the season 9-0.
So I ask, how many DePaul "fans" have really suffered vs just quit being fans?
I still have a DePaul basketball shirt hanging in my closet. Does that count?
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I still have a DePaul basketball shirt hanging in my closet. Does that count?
Some guys my age still have that old Farrah Fawcett poster too
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Some guys my age still have that old Farrah Fawcett poster too
Had this in 705 in 1977.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e0/22/ea/e022ea4ba1d8af790670a4dfccab2605.jpg)
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Worth noting that Tech was playing without its leading scorer tonight.
Seems like most everyone won't acknowledge this. Also, 20+ turnovers on the road isn't exactly helpful.
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Ewing and Associates get another good opportunity this weekend when they go on the road to face an undefeated SMU squad.
Would be helpful to the leagues cause if they could rack up a road win.
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X Coach was not satisfied with the win.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2019/12/04/naji-marshall-powers-xavier-win-over-green-bay/2611703001/
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Huggie Bear heading to the Garden on Saturday
https://www.thedaonline.com/sports/mens_basketball/men-s-hoops-to-clash-with-old-big-east-foe/article_75a1a3c2-16e9-11ea-a639-07fa148949e1.html
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Worth noting that Tech was playing without its leading scorer tonight.
And DePaul was without Devon Gage.
Tech isn’t as good as last year and it may be hard to believe, but DePaul is pretty good. On top of that, they always give us a battle.
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And DePaul was without Devon Gage.
Tech isn’t as good as last year and it may be hard to believe, but DePaul is pretty good. On top of that, they always give us a battle.
We've beat them by double digits 5 times in the past 3 years. Only one of those was ever really in doubt.
I do agree they are legitimately pretty good this year.
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We've beat them by double digits 5 times in the past 3 years. Only one of those was ever really in doubt.
I do agree they are legitimately pretty good this year.
Yeah but lost the one time something was actually on the line (ncaa berth)
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And DePaul was without Devon Gage.
Tech isn’t as good as last year and it may be hard to believe, but DePaul is pretty good. On top of that, they always give us a battle.
Devon Gage is DePaul's seventh man, averaging 17.8 mpg and 6.5 ppg. He's a point guard who has more turnovers this season than assists.
Jahmi'us Ramsey is scoring 17.3 ppg, while adding 6 rebounds per game and 1.5 steals per game.
Gage is an OK player and all, but these absences are not comparable. Tech is 0-3 since Ramsey went down. DePaul hasn't missed a beat without Gage.
It's not unreasonable to believe Ramsey's 17 and 6 might have made a difference in a game that went to overtime.
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Cooley &Company up 3 over Rhode Island 12:58 left first
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Cooley & Company down 9 at half at Rhode Island.
Would be helpful to the leagues cause if Friars could pick up a road win.
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did i read this right? south dakota is playing a team called "mount marty"? is that the brother school to mount mary's? otherwise known as the merry mounties?
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Cooley & Company down 9 at half at Rhode Island.
Would be helpful to the leagues cause if Friars could pick up a road win.
Down 12 with 4 to go. Is FriarScoop calling for your guy's head, Gus?
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Down 12 with 4 to go. Is FriarScoop calling for your guy's head, Gus?
They've cooled on Cooley.
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Cooley on the way out? Bad team this year and with 5 open scholarships next year they only have one player signed who is #222 in the nation?
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Fatts Russell feasted on The Friars .Cooley & Company screwed The Big East again.
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Cooley on the way out? Bad team this year and with 5 open scholarships next year they only have one player signed who is #222 in the nation?
No one's on the way out in the Big East. Cooley is the best coach at PC since Pitino and the Prov folks know first hand that's a tough job to sell to coaches.
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He’s had a couple down years but is a real good coach.
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Lots of opportunities for quality wins today in the Big East.
A good performance across the board could help the league cause
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It certainly looks like Providence has replaced DePaul as most likely to finish in 10th place.
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It certainly looks like Providence has replaced DePaul as most likely to finish in 10th place.
Hometown Media now ripping on Cooley & Company. Complaining about lack of point guard for two years in a row.
https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20191207/kevin-mcnamara-state-belongs-to-rams
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Seven Big East games today. Schedule on the top pinned thread. Coverage starts on Fox at 10:30am.
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No one's on the way out in the Big East. Cooley is the best coach at PC since Pitino and the Prov folks know first hand that's a tough job to sell to coaches.
Uhhh....why? Too much competition for recruits?
Overall, PC seems like a good job to me.
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No one's on the way out in the Big East. Cooley is the best coach at PC since Pitino and the Prov folks know first hand that's a tough job to sell to coaches.
UCONN joining is hurting his recruiting I hear.
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I always like watching St. John's at MSG.
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Butler looks really good vs. Florida. They look very ready for the BE to start up!
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Butler up 8 15:51 second
Johnnies up 1 over Huggie Bear 15:24 second
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SJU holds on to beat WVU 70-68. Red Storm is not a bad team.
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Butler dominant, beats UF by 14.
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What an thriller at MSG. WVU on a 9-0 run ties it. Two free throws wins it for St. John's. St. John's was 1/14 from the field to finish the game.
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Uhhh....why? Too much competition for recruits?
Overall, PC seems like a good job to me.
Historically, it’s been an inconsistent program with a lot of competition for local talent. Cooley has done a very good job there. It’s arguably the hardest job to win consistently at in the league
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Great start to The Day for The Big East
Any win over Huggie Bear is a good thing and when it’s a Johnnie win that’s a plus for the conference
Butler continues to perform well . Very helpful to the cause
We need Creighton to step up next versus The Huskers
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Haanif Cheatham and Nebraska off to a terrible start at Creighton.
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Nebraska is not good.......... :o
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Haanif Cheatham and Nebraska off to a terrible start at Creighton.
First time watching Nebraska play. I’d call them a D2 team but don’t want to insult D2 teams.
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27-4 start. 31-7 at the 8 minute.
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37-7 Creighton 5 :30 left first
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Villanova/St. Joe's will be starting on ESPNEWS. Not sure why ESPN2 only has a 3 hour time window for the MAC Title Game.
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48-22 Creighton at half
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60-28 Creighton 17:37 second
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65-38 Creighton 15 minutes left second
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74-49 Creighton 11:18 left
When The Jays gets in their running game it is a thing of beauty.
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Sean McDermott and Aaron Thompson each scored 16 points to lead Butler to a 76-62 win over Florida.
Thompson made 6 of 7 shots and delivered seven assists. McDermott contributed a team-high seven rebounds.
Jordan Tucker added 13 points off the bench for the Bulldogs (9-0). Kamar Baldwin, who was averaging a team-high 17.5 points for Butler, scored 12 points.
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Villanova up on St. Joe's 41-25. Game now moved to ESPN2.
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74-54 Creighton 9:01 left Second
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Creighton fans get the pizza
Jays Up 77-54 7:56 left second.
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Creighton 91 nebraska 63 3:55 left
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St. Joe's shooting well to start the 2nd half half. Only down by 6.
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St. Joe's shooting well to start the 2nd half half. Only down by 6.
Big 5 games always hard fought
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Road games are tough.....Nova in a dog fight after having a big lead against 2-7 St Joe's team.
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Nova up 7 1:43 left game
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78-66 Nova good game
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Marcus Zegarowski scored 30 points to lead four Creighton players in double figures, and the Bluejays made fast work of Nebraska in a 95-76 win at the sold-out CHI Health Center on Saturday.
Zegarowski made four 3-pointers, finished 13 of 19 from the field, grabbed a career-high nine rebounds and matched his season high with six assists for the Bluejays (7-2).
Ty-Shon Alexander had a season-high 22 points with four 3s, Mitch Ballock scored 13 and Christian Bishop had 10 points and nine rebounds.
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Nebraska is not good.......... :o
I bet on them to cover 11 against GT in the B10/ACC. Challenge. Quickly corrected that today. They are a disaster.
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Marcus Zegarowski scored 30 points to lead four Creighton players in double figures, and the Bluejays made fast work of Nebraska in a 95-76 win at the sold-out CHI Health Center on Saturday.
Zegarowski made four 3-pointers, finished 13 of 19 from the field, grabbed a career-high nine rebounds and matched his season high with six assists for the Bluejays (7-2).
Ty-Shon Alexander had a season-high 22 points with four 3s, Mitch Ballock scored 13 and Christian Bishop had 10 points and nine rebounds.
Saw Cheatham scored 14 for the losing cause.
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X up 26-22 over Cinch 3:33 left
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Classic cross town battle . X up 3 at half. Naji Marshall on fire with 17
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X up 26-22 over Cinch 3:33 left
My daughter was accepted to Xavier yesterday, so we are watching the game...she’s not a hoops fan but her interest suddenly perked based on her news. Go X.
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X up 40-31 17:10 second half
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X up 49-35 great team work 12:35 left
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Saw Cheatham scored 14 for the losing cause.
Haanif seems to be the best player on a very bad team.
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My daughter was accepted to Xavier yesterday, so we are watching the game...she’s not a hoops fan but her interest suddenly perked based on her news. Go X.
Congrats Jams!
My wife and younger daughter are watching too. We're looking for our daughter in the band but I haven't seen any band shots.
Xavier looks good.
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X up 63-52 3:17 left
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Congrats Jams!
My wife and younger daughter are watching too. We're looking for our daughter in the band but I haven't seen any band shots.
Xavier looks good.
XU looks pretty good for sure. Students are in it. What instrument does your daughter play?
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X beating Cincinnati never gets old
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My daughter was accepted to Xavier yesterday, so we are watching the game...she’s not a hoops fan but her interest suddenly perked based on her news. Go X.
Congratulations to your daughter!
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XU looks pretty good for sure. Students are in it. What instrument does your daughter play?
Flute
Her roommate plays drums.
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X beats Cincinnati 73-66 . Naji Marshall with 31
Good hard fought battle
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Big East 5-0 so far today adding to everyone’s team resume . MU and Georgetown need to do their share tonight.
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Big East 4-0 so far today adding to everyone’s team resume . MU and Georgetown need to do their share tonight.
5-0
St. John's
Butler
Villanova
Creighton
Xavier
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5-0
St. John's
Butler
Villanova
Creighton
Xavier
Correction Noted
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https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/smu-mustangs/2019/12/06/georgetown-provides-tough-test-for-smu-in-schedule-lacking-in-difficult-opponents/
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https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/smu-mustangs/2019/12/06/georgetown-provides-tough-test-for-smu-in-schedule-lacking-in-difficult-opponents/
Before opening, is it outstanding?
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Speaking of Big East...I meant to post earlier this week. Saw a short read that a few different universities inquiried/contacted both UConn and UMass about having an independent football and other sports in a conference. UConn and UMass both stated they would not reveal the school names.
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Georgetown started out 23-3, now up 31-11 at SMU. Who needs Akinjo & Leblanc?
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Georgetown up 49-29 half
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Georgetown up 49-29 half
Good job, Ewing & Company
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Ewing and Associates up 55-38 15:52 second
MCClung has all of sudden improved his 3 point shot
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Ewing and Associates nice road win tonight over undefeated SMU.
Big East 7-0 today great for our collective cause
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Marquette non-con opponents went 8-2 on the day. Add in that 1 loss was KSU & USC won last night and that's a damn good weekend.
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Ewing and Associates nice road win tonight over undefeated SMU.
Big East 7-0 today great for our collective cause
Did you go to Georgetown? Nearly every time they are mentioned it’s by you
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Outstanding day for the Big East Conference. Not one game today was a buy game to hit that 7-0 number.
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Did you go to Georgetown? Nearly every time they are mentioned it’s by you
Are you new here? He posts about the outstanding win or the loss that screwed over the BE for every game BE teams play.
That and how he was on recruiting visits with players.
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The announcers tonight said Big East best conference top to bottom. They might be right. The Big Ten has some better teams maybe, but also some teams at the bottom that are quite bad.
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The announcers tonight said Big East best conference top to bottom. They might be right. The Big Ten has some better teams maybe, but also some teams at the bottom that are quite bad.
The same announcers or possibly the halftime guys said the Big Ten was the best conference. Pick who you want to believe
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The Big East has performed well this non conference season. Not sure if it is the best conference out there but it is definitely very deep. The good news is literally every Big East conference win will become a quality win of some sort .
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The Big East has performed well this non conference season. Not sure if it is the best conference out there but it is definitely Very deep. The good news is literally every conference win becomes a quality win of some sort .
Cain, you know where I can find BE record vs other conferences?
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In a weird twist, Hall plays ISU tomorrow in the second game of a back to back.
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Cain, you know where I can find BE record vs other conferences?
Splitting with ACC, B1G, and Pac 12. Dominating A-10, AAC, B12, and SEC.
A-10: 5-1
AAC: 3-0
ACC: 1-1
AE: 2-1
A-Sun: 6-0
B12: 7-1
B1G: 5-6
Big West: 1-1
CAA: 1-1
CUSA: 3-0
Horizon: 2-0
Ivy: 3-1
MAAC: 3-0
MAC: 2-0
MEAC: 1-0
MVC: 1-0
MWC: 0-1
NEC: 8-0
OVC: 1-0
Patriot: 2-0
PAC 12: 2-2
SEC: 5-1
Southern: 2-1
Southland: 2-0
Summit: 1-0
Sun Belt: 1-0
SWAC: 1-0
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That was Sean Farmham that said that. He also said that during Feast Week in the studio.
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Important test this evening for DePaul . Buffalo not as strong as last year, but still has some talent on the roster. Blue Demons also need to keep building fan interest.
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Important test this evening for DePaul . Buffalo not as strong as last year, but still has some talent on the roster. Blue Demons also need to keep building fan interest.
If Depaul is in the mix for Mane, I would like to see them implode.
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If Depaul is in the mix for Mane, I would like to see them implode.
Happy to see them implode when they play us lol, and after they go 13-0 in non conference. We want DePaul doing well for benefit of our overall conference NCAA berths . Cooley & Company have graciously offered to provided a service to the league by being the doormat this year.
Also DePaul will still have Moore, Coleman- Lands (most likely has another year of eligibility left) , Gage and Jacobs ( still not fully recovered from partial ACL tear surgery last January) coming back as guards next year. So not a perfect scenario for Mane as these returners have significant experience and require the ball; MU ideal for Mane.
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Splitting with ACC, B1G, and Pac 12. Dominating A-10, AAC, B12, and SEC.
A-10: 5-1
AAC: 3-0
ACC: 1-1
AE: 2-1
A-Sun: 6-0
B12: 7-1
B1G: 5-6
Big West: 1-1
CAA: 1-1
CUSA: 3-0
Horizon: 2-0
Ivy: 3-1
MAAC: 3-0
MAC: 2-0
MEAC: 1-0
MVC: 1-0
MWC: 0-1
NEC: 8-0
OVC: 1-0
Patriot: 2-0
PAC 12: 2-2
SEC: 5-1
Southern: 2-1
Southland: 2-0
Summit: 1-0
Sun Belt: 1-0
SWAC: 1-0
Thanks TAMU. What resource did use to compile this?
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Thanks TAMU. What resource did use to compile this?
Myself, lol. Looked at the schedules and wrote them down.
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Myself, lol. Looked at the schedules and wrote them down.
Wow, thanks for doing that. Crazy that isn't provided by any resource any longer. Its always fun information to look at. The Big East speaks for itself and anyone who says otherwise is just not informed, but its always nice to be up to date with the latest information for discussion.
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Travis Steele, his wife and kid go into a bar.....wait for the end
https://twitter.com/barstoolreags/status/1203682360690192385
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X owns the city now
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Travis Steele, his wife and kid go into a bar.....wait for the end
https://twitter.com/barstoolreags/status/1203682360690192385
My favorite part is the f-bomb being drop a couple of time and Mrs. Steele telling her kid to put his earmuffs on
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Buffalo up 7 at half
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DePaul coming back to earth and looking like the team we all know and love. Down 16 17:44 left second half.
Brick after Brick
Turnover after Turnover
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Buffalo with the first 10 points out of the half. Down by 17 points.
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Myself, lol. Looked at the schedules and wrote them down.
Um what in the heck? How long did that take?
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Um what in the heck? How long did that take?
Literally less than 10 minutes.
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Depauls perfect season comes to an end with a loss to Buffalo.
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Buffalo wins by 5 @ DePaul...will people finally shut up about DePaul?? Back to reality for the Demons. Still bet they don't make the NCAA's...I mean how many BE wins are they going to have?? They likely won't beat Butler either time, or SH or Xavier, or Nova...so..
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Buffalo wins by 5 @ DePaul...will people finally shut up about DePaul?? Back to reality for the Demons. Still bet they don't make the NCAA's...I mean how many BE wins are they going to have?? They likely won't beat Butler either time, or SH or Xavier, or Nova...so..
This is now the second post that has implied that Butler is the BE juggernaut.
No.
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This is now the second post that has implied that Butler is the BE juggernaut.
No.
I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but they will still beat DePaul twice.
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DePaul missed 11 free throws and was out rebounded by 12. Lost by 5.
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Myself, lol. Looked at the schedules and wrote them down.
Dude
http://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html
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Buffalo wins by 5 @ DePaul...will people finally shut up about DePaul?? Back to reality for the Demons. Still bet they don't make the NCAA's...I mean how many BE wins are they going to have?? They likely won't beat Butler either time, or SH or Xavier, or Nova...so..
I mean, I think they can't make the ncaas due to postseason ban from violations.
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DePaul screwed The Big East tonight
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DePaul screwed The Big East tonight
Yup screwed the entire league. We are all done. Finished.
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I mean, I think they can't make the ncaas due to postseason ban from violations.
I don't think they have a post season ban...not that I remember anyway. They got probation plus some fines
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I don't think they have a post season ban...not that I remember anyway. They got probation plus some fines
Ah. I remember it being on the table, so I may have made the jump that it happened.
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Buffalo wins by 5 @ DePaul...will people finally shut up about DePaul?? Back to reality for the Demons.
Guessing your not a fan.
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Low scoring game at Ames The Hall up 11 10:28 left first
Mama is hurt
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Iowa State up 2 over The Hall. Halftime
Mamu is out
Loud crowd out at Ames
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Ah. I remember it being on the table, so I may have made the jump that it happened.
I mean they probably thought, "what good would it do to give DePaul a post season ban anyway, they never play in it". ;D
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Dude
http://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html
Nice. Figured some site must track it. Didn't use the right google search terms.
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Powell is a relentless chucker
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MU West 51 The Hall 50 6:54 left game
Going to come down to how many shots Powell can make
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MU West 57 The Hall 53 3:44 left
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It's hard as hell to win at Hilton.
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Halliburton owning The Hall
MU West 62 The Hall 53 2:33 left
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Willard screwed The Big East
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Willard screwed The Big East
Theo had 2 fouls.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28257094/seton-hall-sandro-mamukelashvili-breaks-wrist-loss-iowa-state
Didn't see this anywhere - looks like a big loss for the Hall.
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It was a hard fall watching the game. Could have been worse.
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It was a hard fall watching the game. Could have been worse.
Mamu may possibly be eligible for injury red shirt if he is out the whole season. It depends on whether or not the exhibition games count for the purposes of calculating his percentage of play.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28257094/seton-hall-sandro-mamukelashvili-breaks-wrist-loss-iowa-state
Didn't see this anywhere - looks like a big loss for the Hall.
Willard lied that Powell was out for an extended period of time when he twisted his ankle in their second game of the season. Scoop cried. Powell played four days later.
There isn't an honest broker in the Hall program. Let's wait the full "six-eight weeks" that Willard thinks he's sidelined before we assume any absence for the Tiblisi toddler.
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Mamu may possibly be eligible for injury red shirt if he is out the whole season. It depends on whether or not the exhibition games count for the purposes of calculating his percentage of play.
Exhibitions don't count. He played in 9/30 games, exactly 30%. He should be eligible if he doesn't return. JB can correct if that's not right.
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So on Nov. 29, Seton Hall beat ISU 84-76 at Atlantis. On Dec. 8, ISU beats SH 76-66 in Ames. ISU scores the same amount of points, both teams were less efficient, but Mamu was the MVP in the SH win. Big loss
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Golden
Thanks for the SH update, always great to see posts from insider of the program.
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Exhibitions don't count. He played in 9/30 games, exactly 30%. He should be eligible if he doesn't return. JB can correct if that's not right.
Yes, the 30% requirement is met - no problem there. Just a nuance, but he'd be a good candidate if he doesn't return because he remains medically incapacitated through the rest of the season... by rule, if he was healthy in 8 weeks and could play, but decided not to, he would not (by rule) eligible for a medical hardship waiver.
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Yes, the 30% requirement is met - no problem there. Just a nuance, but he'd be a good candidate if he doesn't return because he remains medically incapacitated through the rest of the season... by rule, if he was healthy in 8 weeks and could play, but decided not to, he would not (by rule) eligible for a medical hardship waiver.
Does the 30% thing only apply for the beginning of the season? Like could Hunior Cadougan have applied because he missed everything prior to the Cuse game?
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Does the 30% thing only apply for the beginning of the season? Like could Hunior Cadougan have applied because he missed everything prior to the Cuse game?
No. The injury also has to occur before the midpoint of the season AND, as JB says, keeps them incapacitated for the remainder of the season.
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Does the 30% thing only apply for the beginning of the season? Like could Hunior Cadougan have applied because he missed everything prior to the Cuse game?
First, to give a bit more guidance on the 30%. The calc takes your regular season schedule, plus one (and only one) for the conference tourney. So, for Seton Hall, there are 31 contests for purpose of the calc. 31 x 30% = 9.3. Because of the rounding up allowed by the Bylaws, this means he could play in up to 10 games and still meet the 30%
Another requirement is that the incapacitating injury occurs during the first half of the season. So, he could have sat the first 5 games, played ten and got hurt in game 15 and still be good to be a plain vanilla candidate for the medical hardship waiver
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Don't understand the math here. If he plays in 10/31, that is 32.26%, which rounds to 32% or 33% depending on your method, both of which are greater than 30%. Doesn't that make 9 the max?
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Halliburton owning The Hall
I don't recall MU ever being mentioned in Tyrese Haliburton's recruiting. Seems like a real miss on him.
He played only 80 miles from campus in Oshkosh.
Some are projecting him to eventually be a NBA first round draft pick.
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Don't understand the math here. If he plays in 10/31, that is 32.26%, which rounds to 32% or 33% depending on your method, both of which are greater than 30%. Doesn't that make 9 the max?
No. Please see Bylaw 12.8.4.2.6.2:
Fraction in Percent Computation. Any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a contest or date of competition shall be rounded to the next whole number (e.g., 30 percent of a 29-game basketball schedule—8.7 games—shall be considered nine games).
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So, take the scheduled games (as defined) – in this case, 31. Multiply 30% by 31. That equals 9.3. Round up to 10. In this case, the max is actually 32.3%.
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No. Please see Bylaw 12.8.4.2.6.2:
Fraction in Percent Computation. Any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a contest or date of competition shall be rounded to the next whole number (e.g., 30 percent of a 29-game basketball schedule—8.7 games—shall be considered nine games).
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So, take the scheduled games (as defined) – in this case, 31. Multiply 30% by 31. That equals 9.3. Round up to 10. In this case, the max is actually 32.3%.
Gotcha, thanks.
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I don't recall MU ever being mentioned in Tyrese Haliburton's recruiting. Seems like a real miss on him.
He played only 80 miles from campus in Oshkosh.
Some are projecting him to eventually be a NBA first round draft pick.
He wasn't. Ranked something like 170 coming out of high school. Neither UW nor MU looked much at him. Great article on the guy.
https://www.theringer.com/2019/11/27/20984769/tyrese-haliburton-iowa-state-nba-draft-prospect
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Future Big East Member U Conn is 6-2 and has a game in the Garden against Indiana tomorrow night.
Xavier Beat U Conn earlier this year at neutral site.
Nova will play The Huskies at home later this year.
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NY Post says Mamukelashvili had surgery today and is out 6-10 weeks.
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NY Post says Mamukelashvili had surgery today and is out 6-10 weeks.
Means he'll almost certainly miss our first game with SHU, as that's 4.5 weeks away.
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Means he'll almost certainly miss our first game with SHU, as that's 4.5 weeks away.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1204180780739629056
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Means he'll almost certainly miss our first game with SHU, as that's 4.5 weeks away.
I have a feeling he will make a miraculous recovery and play against us.
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I have a feeling he will make a miraculous recovery and play against us.
And Theo will be ejected with that news.
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Yes, the 30% requirement is met - no problem there. Just a nuance, but he'd be a good candidate if he doesn't return because he remains medically incapacitated through the rest of the season... by rule, if he was healthy in 8 weeks and could play, but decided not to, he would not (by rule) eligible for a medical hardship waiver.
Who decides "able to play"
Bohannon for Iowa is "able to play" right now but has til Thursday to decide to shut it down and get a red shirt for next year.
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Real tough blow for the Pirates. Mamu is their best non-Powell player IMHO.
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Who decides "able to play"
Bohannon for Iowa is "able to play" right now but has til Thursday to decide to shut it down and get a red shirt for next year.
A doc would provide an opinion that the player was incapable of playing. Hogan mon doesn’t simply get to decide - he’d need medical staff to be if the opinion that he needs to shut it down because playing now is causing new issues. It’s a bit of a unique case.
(And, it wouldn’t be a redshirt. A redshirt is a description of someone who doesn’t play a second).
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A doc would provide an opinion that the player was incapable of playing. Hogan mon doesn’t simply get to decide - he’d need medical staff to be if the opinion that he needs to shut it down because playing now is causing new issues. It’s a bit of a unique case.
(And, it wouldn’t be a redshirt. A redshirt is a description of someone who doesn’t play a second).
Don’t worry. A simple Google search will provide a player with results of doctors all over the place who will lie to provide a scholar athlete an extra year of eligibility. Cheeks promised many links to prove it, so it must be true.
Say you’re injured. Find a doctor to confirm the lie. Simple.
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Real tough blow for the Pirates. Mamu is their best non-Powell player IMHO.
I agree with this analysis.
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Don’t worry. A simple Google search will provide a player with results of doctors all over the place who will lie to provide a scholar athlete an extra year of eligibility. Cheeks promised many links to prove it, so it must be true.
Say you’re injured. Find a doctor to confirm the lie. Simple.
I provided a number showing doctor shopping.
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Don’t worry. A simple Google search will provide a player with results of doctors all over the place who will lie to provide a scholar athlete an extra year of eligibility. Cheeks promised many links to prove it, so it must be true.
Say you’re injured. Find a doctor to confirm the lie. Simple.
He wouldn't lie, would he?
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He wouldn't lie, would he?
“Every main contributor to Dayton committed before Grant was the head coach“.....according to Wades....was he lying or just wrong? I’ll go with the latter. Now, in your case you were flat out lying about the investing thread....but that’s who you are.
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OK, Hoopaloop
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Caution thread ruiner sighted!
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Brown at The Johnnies should be an easy win for The Big East
Butler on the road against #11 Baylor . A Solid research report on the game:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ourdailybears.com/platform/amp/2019/12/9/21004210/baylor-butler-preview-and-prediction-bears-bulldogs-sic-em-scott-drew
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Butler on the road against Baylor. Both teams unbeaten . A Solid research report on the game:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ourdailybears.com/platform/amp/2019/12/9/21004210/baylor-butler-preview-and-prediction-bears-bulldogs-sic-em-scott-drew
Baylor is 7-1
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Brown at The Johnnies should be an easy win for The Big East
Butler on the road against #11 Baylor . A Solid research report on the game:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ourdailybears.com/platform/amp/2019/12/9/21004210/baylor-butler-preview-and-prediction-bears-bulldogs-sic-em-scott-drew
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Baylor is 7-1
Correction noted
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Brown at The Johnnies should be an easy win for The Big East
Butler on the road against #11 Baylor . A Solid research report on the game:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ourdailybears.com/platform/amp/2019/12/9/21004210/baylor-butler-preview-and-prediction-bears-bulldogs-sic-em-scott-drew
Only solid research report? I only read outstanding research reports
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The Johnnies up 41-24 at halftime.
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The Johnnies up 41-24 at halftime.
Your opinion good, excellent or outstanding half?
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Brown is now within 4 points.
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Brown is now within 4 points.
The Johnnies win by 11.
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Baylor 21 Butler 10 9:54 left first
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Baylor 31 Butler 22 2:36 left first
Butler missing a lot of close shots.
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Baylor up 10 at half
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Baylor 47 Butler 40 8:59 left second
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Baylor 53 Butler 49 2:54 left Butler had a chance to tie but then had two bad possessions
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Baldwin could have bounce passed for a layup but played hero ball and got a charge.
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53 52 Baylor 35 seconds left
Bad home town call went against Baldwin
Although Baldwin should have passed
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Opportunities down stretch wasted
Butler Screwed The Big East
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That sure looked like a charge to me. The defender got position, Baldwin put his head down and ran him over.
Baldwin had gotten away with a blatant travel on the previous possession, and it looked like another travel on the following possession.
Finally, he got his shot blocked in Butler's last realistic hope.
Can you believe how stupid a coach must be to give his superstar that many opportunities? What kind of coach does that?
Good comeback for Butler, though. That's a tough team right there. Why were they picked to finish 8th in the BEast again?
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Butler really screwed the BE losing by 1 on the road to #11
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That sure looked like a charge to me. The defender got position, Baldwin put his head down and ran him over.
Baldwin had gotten away with a blatant travel on the previous possession, and it looked like another travel on the following possession.
Finally, he got his shot blocked in Butler's last realistic hope.
Can you believe how stupid a coach must be to give his superstar that many opportunities? What kind of coach does that?
Good comeback for Butler, though. That's a tough team right there. Why were they picked to finish 8th in the BEast again?
I thought block. Didn't think defender was there in time.
I also think it is folly to just give your star the ball and say go win it. It is not a winning strategy. Play offense and get a good shot, not just whatever shot your best player can manage to force up.
Finally I agree that Butler is a tough squad and will be tough for us to beat.
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I thought block. Didn't think defender was there in time.
I also think it is folly to just give your star the ball and say go win it. It is not a winning strategy. Play offense and get a good shot, not just whatever shot your best player can manage to force up.
Finally I agree that Butler is a tough squad and will be tough for us to beat.
The announcers agreed with you. The refs agreed with me - ha!
I was just being snarky about giving the star the ball every single time and all but forcing him to win it with a difficult shot.
Folks forget that MJ passed to Paxson to win one title, passed to Wennington to win his 55-point game at MSG after he came out of retirement, and passed to Kerr to win another title. LeBron, same - passed to Allen to win a title. The truly great players know when they have to shoot and when to find an open teammate. It's not an easy skill to learn, though.
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Ya, that was Chris Spatola that said that. He works on Sirius XM a lot as well.
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Mustafa Heron for STJ out the next two weeks with a badly sprained ankle. Went down after landing on the foot of the player he blocked last night. While the Johnnies only have two games over the next three weeks one is a neutral site game against Arizona, so probably chalk that up as a loss. Hopefully, he is back in time for Butler. They do have one of the best AT's in the game.
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They do have one of the best AT's in the game.
How do you know?
Serious question. We always hear teams boasting about having the best trainer or the best doctor ... but who is rating them? Why is the St. John's AT better than Marquette's or New Mexico State's or Wyoming's?
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How do you know?
Serious question. We always hear teams boasting about having the best trainer or the best doctor ... but who is rating them? Why is the St. John's AT better than Marquette's or New Mexico State's or Wyoming's?
I don't know about why is SJU is better than any other High Major but my guess is experience, school attended, facilities to work with, attempts with experimental treatments.
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I don't know about why is SJU is better than any other High Major but my guess is experience, school attended, facilities to work with, attempts with experimental treatments.
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that this person is not a wonderful trainer. Just don't know how these things get "rated." Glad he's done a good job, and hope that he can help Heron heal quickly.
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I don't know about why is SJU is better than any other High Major but my guess is experience, school attended, facilities to work with, attempts with experimental treatments.
experience and reputation in the industry. I'm not denigrating others but when one if so looked to it indicates to me they are among the best.
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More Info on Mustangs Heron ankle. Listed as day to day. My guess is he sits out next game for sure and possibly sits out the Arizona game in order to be fully healthy for conference play.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/12/11/st-johns-avoids-mustapha-heron-injury-disaster/amp/
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Solid win for Creighton over a lousy team tonight . A win is a win .
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Butler Comfortably up at half over Southern.
Will be interested in seeing how Ewing and Associates perform with a reduced roster against Syracuse.
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Ewing and Associates up 48-36 at half. McClung on fire.
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Butler receivers much needed comfort by winning over Southern
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Bryce Golden scored 12 points on 4-of-5 shooting to lead No. 18 Butler’s balanced scoring attack in a 66-41 win.
Also cracking double figures for the Bulldogs (10-1) were Sean McDermott with 11 points on 3-of-5 3-point shooting and Khalif Battle with 10. Twelve Bulldogs played and 11 scored.
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Big win for Ewing and Associates and The Big East
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Delaware battling Nova tough. Nova up 4 with 15:58 second half
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DePaul ahead 51-37 over UIC 11:44 left second
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DePaul gets back on track with win against UIC
Nova holds off Delaware. .
Big East will gladly take two wins.
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I don’t see many BE teams past the first weekend in the round of 64. A bit overrated. Seton Hall went the first 6 minutes today without a point. Tell me who the great teams are in this conference? I don’t see them.
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I don’t see many BE teams past the first weekend in the round of 64. A bit overrated. Seton Hall went the first 6 minutes today without a point. Tell me who the great teams are in this conference? I don’t see them.
As of today, I can’t argue this assessment.
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The Hall down 13 at half on road at Rutgers.
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Xavier down 8 at halftime to Wake Forest.
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Good start to the day, but slumping. Hall looked dead on arrival, though showed a few signs of life at the end of the half to get back within spitting distance.
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Xavier looking sloppy. The announcers are saying the first half of the game was the best half of basketball they have seen Wake play this year.
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I don’t see many BE teams past the first weekend in the round of 64. A bit overrated. Seton Hall went the first 6 minutes today without a point. Tell me who the great teams are in this conference? I don’t see them.
http://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html
Second best winning % among all conference this season. Second only to the Big 12....who is 2-7 against the Big East.
If you are just looking at the top of the conference, I'd agree that we have no truly standout teams this season...though if you look at KenPom there is really only 1 standout team (Ohio State) in all of D1 this season. More parity than usual it seems. Big East is deep, no easy wins this season.
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Wake 45 X 39 16:09 left second
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Good start to the day, but slumping. Hall looked dead on arrival, though showed a few signs of life at the end of the half to get back within spitting distance.
Powell hurt again
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I don’t see many BE teams past the first weekend in the round of 64. A bit overrated. Seton Hall went the first 6 minutes today without a point. Tell me who the great teams are in this conference? I don’t see them.
Marquette and Xavier have the best March fundamentals of the Big East teams. Wouldn't label either team great, and not sure if either wins more than 12 or 13 conference games, but they're best placed for the second weekend.
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http://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html
Second best winning % among all conference this season. Second only to the Big 12....who is 2-7 against the Big East.
If you are just looking at the top of the conference, I'd agree that we have no truly standout teams this season...though if you look at KenPom there is really only 1 standout team (Ohio State) in all of D1 this season. More parity than usual it seems. Big East is deep, no easy wins this season.
I agree with this as well. I’m just not expecting much success in March
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I agree with this as well. I’m just not expecting much success in March
Agreed. Statistics be damned. I’m using the eye test. Just not a lot of great teams.
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But cheeks would know best. Cuz winning tourney games is just a crapshoot.
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Agreed. Statistics be damned. I’m using the eye test. Just not a lot of great teams.
I believe that, given the way the tournament selection process is structured , there will be many Big East teams selected for the tournament. However, I agree with your eye test, there are simply not many great teams. That is why I always focus so hard on non conference. If a team can get 10 wins and a couple of them against quality opponents, they are in good position to make the tournament with a medium level of performance in Conference. All I really care about is MU making the tournament and to the extent our conference brethren need to do well that is a price of admission.
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Agreed. Statistics be damned. I’m using the eye test. Just not a lot of great teams.
I believe it’s a very good conference and quite deep. At the moment, no team is capable of cutting down the nets. That could change by March. Is it the 2nd best league? I can believe that argument and vice versa.
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X has rallied to down 3 with 4:07 left at Wake.
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Naji Marshall fouled out with 3:46 left
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Seton Hall blasted by Rutgers, loses by 20 at the RAC. Started out down 14 and never really got into it. Powell left in the second with an undisclosed head injury.
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Seton Hall blasted by Rutgers, loses by 20 at the RAC. Started out down 14 and never really got into it. Powell left in the second with an undisclosed head injury.
Seton Hall screwed The Big East.
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“Chick-Fil-A is a cult”
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Seton Hall blasted by Rutgers, loses by 20 at the RAC. Started out down 14 and never really got into it. Powell left in the second with an undisclosed head injury.
Just a shame all around
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X down 1 with 20.8 left Wake has the ball.
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X screwed The Big East
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Wake Forest isn’t good. Bad loss for X
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Wake Forest isn’t good. Bad loss for X
Road wins are hard to come by this year. Makes the KSU win that much more impressive.
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It is up to Cooley & Company to resurrect the honor of The Big East against Stony Brook.
I want to puke hearing the ACC network announcers saying Wakes win was like David over Goliath.
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Is there a non-Big East MU opponent thread?
Mississippi St. 67 Kansas St. 61 Final.
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Is there a non-Big East MU opponent thread?
Mississippi St. 67 Kansas St. 61 Final.
Watched that, was a disappointing finish for K-State. Mississippi State ended the game with a 12-3 run over the last 4 minutes of the game.
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Is there a non-Big East MU opponent thread?
Mississippi St. 67 Kansas St. 61 Final.
Here is a thread you started
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59282.0
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http://www.colleyrankings.com/hcurconf.html
Second best winning % among all conference this season. Second only to the Big 12....who is 2-7 against the Big East.
If you are just looking at the top of the conference, I'd agree that we have no truly standout teams this season...though if you look at KenPom there is really only 1 standout team (Ohio State) in all of D1 this season. More parity than usual it seems. Big East is deep, no easy wins this season.
And yet the top 8, or more, of the Big Ten would roll most of the BE. Ask Nova, Seton Hall, and us about that. We have some good teams but no great teams despite this great non conference record of primarily buy games.
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And yet the top 8, or more, of the Big Ten would roll most of the BE. Ask Nova, Seton Hall, and us about that. We have some good teams but no great teams despite this great non conference record of primarily buy games.
I believe last week one of the talking heads said top to bottom Big East best conference, but Big Ten the best at the top. There are no Nebraskas in the Big East, but also no Ohio States or Elite teams this year either.
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Here is a thread you started
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59282.0
Thanks. I meant in the Al. But I frequently pay attention to MU opponents.
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While my primary focus is on MU making the tournament, I also put heavy emphasis on how many conference teams make it to the tournament. The more Big East teams in the tournament helps everyone in recruiting.
MU probably has the best chance of any team in The Big East of making noise in the tournament. It is possible for Markus to get in God mode for a few games.
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I'll say I don't think it will be sustainable once they get to the grind of conference play, but I noticed this today. James Akinjo, Galen Alexander, and Myron Gardner are Georgetown's three least efficient offensive players this season. In the 7 games Georgetown played with a full roster, they were averaging 1.02 ppp and had a 4-3 record. In the 3 games since their transfer epidemic started, they are averaging 1.21 ppp and have gone 3-0.
In fact, Georgetown are averaging more without the transfers out than they did in any individual game with their full roster (1.206 against Texas was their best game) and they are scoring at a higher rate than they did against even their cupcake opponents. They scored...
- 1.13 vs Mount St. Mary's (#191 Def)
- 1.09 vs Central Arkansas (#306 Def)
- 1.17 vs Georgia State (#151 Def)
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It is up to Cooley & Company to resurrect the honor of The Big East against Stony Brook.
I want to puke hearing the ACC network announcers saying Wakes win was like David over Goliath.
I thought the ACC half time post game crew was pretty rough. Missed the FS1 &;2 crew.
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All I care about is that we get many conference teams in the tournament. The more Big East teams in the tournament helps everyone in recruiting.
MU probably has the best chance of any team in The Big East of making noise in the tournament. It is possible for Markus to get in God mode for a few games.
Herman—you have now said on THIS PAGE...all you care about is MU making the tournament. A short while later, you say all you care about is Big East teams making the tournament. I think you post so much you forget what you posted 30 minutes ago.
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Apparently Powell didn't even know he was participating in a basketball game. Quite the concussion he got.
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Neither of those losses are great, the X one especially. This is probably the best Rutgers team we've seen in a long time but probably more of an NIT team than an NCAA team.
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Herman—you have now said on THIS PAGE...all you care about is MU making the tournament. A short while later, you say all you care about is Big East teams making the tournament. I think you post so much you forget what you posted 30 minutes ago.
Correction noted.
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Cooley & Company up 14 10:04 left game.
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Cooley & Company battling like it is a tournament game. Up 6 with 1:27 left
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Cooley & Company battling like it is a tournament game. Up 6 with 1:27 left
A CBI tournament game?
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Kevin Willard: “Myles Powell suffered a severed head. His funeral will be next Saturday.”
Also Kevin Willard, Thursday night: “Myles, you’re starting tonight.”
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https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/14/rutgers-seton-hall-basketball/4382989002/
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2019/12/14/another-incomplete-showing-ends-xavier-loss-wake-forest/2650087001/
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http://friarbasketball.com/2019/12/15/friars-get-needed-win-stony-brook/
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Apparently Powell didn't even know he was participating in a basketball game. Quite the concussion he got.
I heard from a Hall fan that Powell got the concussion in the first 5 minutes, but nobody noticed until at around the 4 min mark he asked why they were practicing at Rutgers.
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Denzel Mahoney is now eligible for Creighton. Also Davion Mintz and Kelvin Jones back from injuries.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2019/12/13/21021289/creighton-loses-in-an-unbelievable-upset-lol
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Denzel Mahoney is now eligible for Creighton. Also Davion Mintz and Kelvin Jones back from injuries.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2019/12/13/21021289/creighton-loses-in-an-unbelievable-upset-lol
They couldn't have waited another few weeks?
Just kidding. I hope Creighton is at full strength. It will be more fun to beat them that way.
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I heard from a Hall fan that Powell got the concussion in the first 5 minutes, but nobody noticed until at around the 4 min mark he asked why they were practicing at Rutgers.
Yes, this was in the post game article: https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/14/rutgers-seton-hall-basketball/4382989002/
"He asked me during the game, 'Why are we practicing at Rutgers?'" Willard said. "I kind of looked at him, because I was wondering what the heck he was doing out there. We sat down during the (under-4) timeout and his eyes kind of rolled into the back of his head. It hit him like a wave. He got whacked pretty good."
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Four Big East games tonight. Two of them big match ups. List posted on the top pinned thread.
Marquette's listings of RSN's also listed for tonight's game.
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Four Big East games tonight. Two of them big match ups. List posted on the top pinned thread.
Marquette's listings of RSN's also listed for tonight's game.
Creighton and Cooley & Company have solid opportunities to help The Big East cause tonight.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28318560/seton-hall-myles-powell-indefinitely-concussion
Powell out indefinitely. Would have put them as dogs against Maryland even with him. SH only going to have 7 non-conference wins. Unless the advanced number really like them come Selection Sunday, I would think they'd need at least 11 BEast wins, and if Powell misses the first few conference games too, 11 will be a major uphill battle.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28318560/seton-hall-myles-powell-indefinitely-concussion
Powell out indefinitely. Would have put them as dogs against Maryland even with him. SH only going to have 7 non-conference wins. Unless the advanced number really like them come Selection Sunday, I would think they'd need at least 11 BEast wins, and if Powell misses the first few conference games too, 11 will be a major uphill battle.
Knowing Willard Powell will miraculously recover for the Maryland game
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Seton Hall feels like a bubble team right now. The Committee could somewhat discount losses without Powell and Mamu, but at some point they'll just lose too much. 4 of their first 6 league games are on the road. There's no easy Big East schedule, but if they start 2-4 or 1-5, that's a huge ask to get on the right side of the bubble.
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Ewing and Associates up 18 at halftime over UMBC.
Yurtseven 12 and 10 at the half. Terrell Allen playing well also .
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Hoyas cruise to an 81-56 win over UMBC with 4 in double figures.
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Florida blowing out Cooley & Company up 19 12:05 left second
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Creighton up 7 2:54 left first.
Solid performances by both teams.
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Creighton 41 Oklahoma 38 Halftime.
Enjoying this game.
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Cooley & Company screwed The Big East.
Massive 32 point loss to Florida.
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Creighton out of the gate fast in second half. Up 10 17:33 left. Some beautiful passing by Zegarowski .
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Creighton up 2 with 11:32 left second
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Creighton up 2 with 11:32 left second
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CU up 12 with 5 min left.
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Creighton 74 Oklahoma 62 4:31 left game
Very Fun game to watch.
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Creighton 81 Oklahoma 70 1:05 left game
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Final Creighton 83 Oklahoma 73
Creighton running 5 guards most of the game. Very fun to watch. Keeping Bishop out of foul trouble is going to be essential for them. Mahoney looked solid in his debut.
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Ed Cooley has done solid work at Providence. It’s not an easy job. That said, they’ve been a bad offensive team for awhile and he can preach toughness all he wants, at some point, you have to put the ball through the hoop
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Excellent Research Report on Source of Cooley & Company current weakness.
https://www.yurview.com/all-ball/providences-persistent-point-guard-problem/
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Western Carolina up on Xavier in the 2nd half 47-43 on FS1.
No Marshall tonight. Sick.
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60-57 X 6:41 left game
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X wins 74-61.
Western Carolina a decent win for them had a 104 NET ranking coming into game.
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DePaul up 43-42 at half on the road at Cleveland State.
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DePaul up 63-60 with 1:53 left.
CSU 30 turnovers. DePaul 24. :o
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DePaul up 63-60 with 1:53 left.
CSU 30 turnovers. DePaul 24. :o
DePaul picks up road win 73-65 and goes to 11-1
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The Johnnies won 85-57 over Albany. Coach Anderson has led the team to a 10-2 record.
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Why the frick is depaul paying an away game at Cleveland state? Pathetic.
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Why the frick is depaul paying an away game at Cleveland state? Pathetic.
Home and home payback. Maybe meant to be a belated homecoming game for Cleveland Melvin?
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Why the frick is depaul paying an away game at Cleveland state? Pathetic.
Just spit balling here, but maybe their season ticket sales don't bring in quite enough income to pay for every cupcake to be at home.
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Regardless the reason, good for them for doing this. Happens that they are good this year and will help raise their profile
I saw over the weekend that Purdue played at Ohio University. The announcers said it was tied to a football game contract. So Ohio played at Purdue for football and then got a home and home in basketball. Likely lessened the payout for the football game but Ohio got a home basketball game with a big name opponent.
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Regardless the reason, good for them for doing this. Happens that they are good this year and will help raise their profile
I saw over the weekend that Purdue played at Ohio University. The announcers said it was tied to a football game contract. So Ohio played at Purdue for football and then got a home and home in basketball. Likely lessened the payout for the football game but Ohio got a home basketball game with a big name opponent.
That's how Wisky had to play at WKU.
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Selected research reports for Maryland at Seton Hall Tonight
https://nypost.com/2019/12/18/seton-hall-just-trying-to-survive-with-season-in-shambles/
https://www.testudotimes.com/maryland-terps-basketball/2019/12/18/21026989/maryland-mens-basketball-seton-hall-preview-predictions-stats-matchup-summary-myles-powell
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/17/seton-hall-basketball-myles-powell/2673359001/
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If Seton Hall doesn't win tonight, I expect they'll be on the bubble come Selection Sunday, barring an autobid.
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If Seton Hall doesn't win tonight, I expect they'll be on the bubble come Selection Sunday, barring an autobid.
Couldn't happen to better Big East team.
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I guess we are supposed to hope Seton Hall beats Maryland? Yeah, I just can't cheer for those jack wagons.
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Go Terps.
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When Mark Turgeon and Kevin Willard teams meet, any amount of ridiculous is probable
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Gill is just dominating the paint for the Hall on defense......and Maryland can’t make a jump shot.
Length and athleticism of the Hall is a good matchup for them against Maryland.
CBB is just so bizarre......Hall gets blown out at Rutgers and now dominating Maryland.......home and road has been much bigger factor this season then what it normally is......or so it seems.
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the hall has held MD to 27 points thru 28 min of b-ball? making bucky blush
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the hall has held MD to 27 points thru 28 min of b-ball? making bucky blush
That center is ridiculous at blocking. I mean better than Theo good
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do we root for the hall or mary land
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do we root for the hall or mary land
Hall we play 2x so them yet somehow I find myself rooting for Maryland
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If Maryland's O was like this when we played them we'd have destroyed them. Wtf.
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33 points with just 5 minutes to go? What the hell is Maryland doing?
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Seton Hall can't put this game away. Missed free-throws. Enough to hold on. Defence was outstanding.
52-48. Gigantic win! Love it.
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Huge night for Quincy McKnight and The Hall
Great win For The Big East
Even though Seton Hall are total D-&89che Bags, have to root for them non conference.
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Seton Hall wins. Wish they had lost. Can't bring myself to cheer for them at all. They did rescue their at-large hopes tonight.
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Not a Hall/Willard fan, but that was a big win for the BE tonight.
Hard to figure out the Hall. They get blown out by Rutgers, then beat Maryland without Powell.
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Can you say “cancerous?”
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Seton Hall wins. Wish they had lost. Can't bring myself to cheer for them at all. They did rescue their at-large hopes tonight.
Anything good for Big East is good for Marquette.
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Anything good for Big East is good for Marquette.
I get the concept, but by that logic, anything good for Wisconsin is good for Marquette. I don't subscribe to that either.
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I get the concept, but by that logic, anything good for Wisconsin is good for Marquette. I don't subscribe to that either.
Wisconsin the state or university?
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I get the concept, but by that logic, anything good for Wisconsin is good for Marquette. I don't subscribe to that either.
I don't subscribe to that one either. :D
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If Marquette won a game the way Seton Hall closed this one out, people would be calling for Wojo’s head.
Couldn’t make FT’s, inbounding issues etc.
Nice win for the conference.
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If Marquette won a game the way Seton Hall closed this one out, people would be calling for Wojo’s head.
Couldn’t make FT’s, inbounding issues etc.
Nice win for the conference.
Not to mention there would be three to four very loud people hammering home the point that the other team shot 25% and Marquette got very lucky to win a game like that.
Humans are irrational.
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Better without Powell...
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Hall we play 2x so them yet somehow I find myself rooting for Maryland
just wondering from a strength of schedule type thing-the more they win the better the our loss looks
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Not a Hall/Willard fan, but that was a big win for the BE tonight.
Hard to figure out the Hall. They get blown out by Rutgers, then beat Maryland without Powell.
Home court has been a helluva drug this year
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MU does their part for the Big East tonight. Get a win and move on.
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Saturday 12/21
FOX College Hoops Tip-off at 10:30am
1 Kansas @ 18 Villanova, 11:00, FOX - Gus Johnson, Jim Jackson, Andy Katz
Big East/Big 12 Battle
Line: Kansas -1.5/146.5
Samford @ Georgetown, 11:00, FS1 -Wayne Randazzo, Len Elmore
Line: Georgetown -16/160
Texas @ Providence, 1:00, FOX - Brian Custer, Donny Marshall, Lisa Byington
Big East/Big 12 Battle
Line: Texas -1/133.5
Purdue vs. 17 Butler (Indianapolis), 1:30, BTN - Kevin Kugler, Robbie Hummel
Line: Butler -1.5/118
Northwestern @ DePaul, 7:30, CBSSN -Ben Holden, Chris Walker & Jon Rothstein sidelines
Line: DePaul -6.5/136
Creighton @ Arizona State, 7:30, P12N/AZ - Daron Sutton, Eddie House
Line: Arizona State -3/149
St. John's vs. 16 Arizona (San Francisco), 9:00, ESPN2 - Dave Pasch, Bill Walton
Line: Arizona -11/154
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Great slate of games. Seems like the entire Big East has played a solid non conference schedule. Obviously the big ten and big 12 challenges help but its more than that. Really holding our own as a conference.
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Quite a few opportunities for good Quality wins today for The Big East today. A positive showing would help the leagues cause.
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Nova up 35-27 14 min left
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Free throws matta
Kansas chokes the line.
Huge for Nova
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Nova represents. Huge win.
56-55
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Nobody wants to be #1 this season
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Huge win For The Big East . Great job by Nova. Really helps the cause.
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Nice win. Sloppy down the stretch. A lot of posters think it’s only us that makes key mistakes but that’s college basketball.
Good work Nova.
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Weird that the refs don't go to the monitor with 3 seconds left. Should have been looked at.
Huge comeback for Villanova. Looked bad, down 55-51.
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I know they played a cupcake but Yurtseven with 32pts, 17rebs, 4 blocks for GTown.
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I know they played a cupcake but Yurtseven with 32pts, 17rebs, 4 blocks for GTown.
Georgetown will have a excellent Christmas Break. 5-0 since the mess.
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Georgetown will have a excellent Christmas Break. 5-0 since the mess.
Ewing and Associates are helping the leagues cause with their recent good performance
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Overall huge set of games for the conference today. A chance to rack up a bunch of wins against quality power conference opponents
Massive win by Nova.
Georgetown took care of business
Providence is up early on 9-1 Texas
Butler playing Purdue
Creighton plays Arizona State
DePaul hopefully picks up a B10 win over Northwestern
St Johns is at Arizona
Tons of opportunities for the conference to boost resumes today
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Cooley & Company attempting to make up for past transgressions against the Big East ; up 10 3:56 left first
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Huge win For The Big East . Great job by Nova. Really helps the cause.
It really helps their cause
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St Johns is at Arizona
Actually, it's a neutral site game in San Francisco. The Johnnies scheduled this game at the home of the Golden State Warriors to honor Chris Mullin. I wonder if they'll have a nice ceremony for Mike Anderson instead.
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Harms not playing for Purdue. Injured?
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2019 Basketball Hall of Fame
Al Attles Classic
Chase Center, San Francisco, CA
Saturday, December 21, 2019
Session 1
Stanford vs San Diego
California vs Boston College
Session 2
Arizona vs St. John's
St. Mary's vs Nevada
Bill Walton is calling 3 of the 4. Which I love!
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Big East in now up 6-2 in the challenge series against the Big 12. Only 2 games left.
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Cooley & Company up 18 over Shaka !5:32 left second half. Pipkens finally having a decent game for the Friars.
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Providence playing their best game of the season so far. Shaka-ing.
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Harms not playing for Purdue. Injured?
Bad concussion the other day...here is video
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/video-purdues-matt-haarms-fall-vs-nebraska
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You know ... I'm getting doggone tired of all y'all Scoopers beating up on Shaka.
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You know ... I'm getting doggone tired of all y'all Scoopers beating up on Shaka.
He is a Smart coach.
Newsflash:. Beating a P5 team on the road is tough. K-STATE game matters.
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Cooley & Company end up the non conference back in the good graces of The Big East. Big win over Shaka.
Friars have some talent and finally put it all together today in a comprehensive way.
Looking forward to our game with Cooley in January. Should be a good one.
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Butler up on Purdue 48-33 on BTN.
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Big east looking good. Looking forward to the Huskies joining the squad
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Butler 51 Purdue 37 7:left second half
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Haarms out with a concussion. Butler doing what they do.
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Big East in now up 6-2 in the challenge series against the Big 12. Only 2 games left.
Yet, KPom has the B12 higher rated over the BE.
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Haarms out with a concussion. Butler doing what they do.
Haarms wearing ear plugs. Not looking like he’ll play soon.
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Free throws mattering to Butler right now.
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Free throws mattering to Butler right now.
Butler made the free throws down the stretch and won 70-61 at the Crossroads Classic. Excellent win for the Big East. Butler team really plays well together ,kudos to Coach Jordan.
Tremendous day so for The Big East so far going 4-0.
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Yet, KPom has the B12 higher rated over the BE.
I was thinking the same looking at those standings today. Looking at the stats, the Big East is 91-25 (0.784 WP%) while the Big 12 is 80-24 (0.769). In head-to-head between the leagues, the Big East leads 10-3. I have a feeling there's a lot of old data baked in. The Big 12 has a number of teams (KSU, Texas, TCU, Oklahoma, Texas Tech) who have seen their Pomeroy ranking fall 15+ spots since the season started while only West Virginia has exceeded expectations. Something tells me that worm will turn soon enough.
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DePaul getting some good local press in advance of Northwestern game.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/12/19/21030360/depaul-blue-demons-basketball-zach-zaidman-dan-roan-dave-leitao-charlie-moore-paul-reed-wgn-score
https://depauliaonline.com/44976/sports/preview-depaul-looks-to-break-four-game-losing-streak-to-northwestern/
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Preview of tonight’s Creighton game with Arizona State and Remy Martin
https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/scouting-report-players-to-watch-three-keys-for-creighton-at/article_9dff8fbb-10cf-5ff7-a592-bf083925c675.html
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DePaul getting some good local press in advance of Northwestern game.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/12/19/21030360/depaul-blue-demons-basketball-zach-zaidman-dan-roan-dave-leitao-charlie-moore-paul-reed-wgn-score
https://depauliaonline.com/44976/sports/preview-depaul-looks-to-break-four-game-losing-streak-to-northwestern/
Good research reports.
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Preview of tonight’s Creighton game with Arizona State and Remy Martin
https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/scouting-report-players-to-watch-three-keys-for-creighton-at/article_9dff8fbb-10cf-5ff7-a592-bf083925c675.html
Channel.?
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Channel.?
PAC 12 Network....Johnny09 has it on
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PAC 12 Network....Johnny09 has it on
Who even provides that network. What you mean johhny has it on bro
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PAC 12 Network....Johnny09 has it on
Wait. I don’t get it?? How can you watch the pac 12 network?? I don’t get it. Lmfao.
This guy. 👆
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Tonight's games. TV schedule always pinned at the top thread. ;)
Northwestern @ DePaul, 7:30, CBSSN -Ben Holden, Chris Walker & Jon Rothstein sidelines
Line: DePaul -6.5/136
Creighton @ Arizona State, 7:30, P12N/AZ - Daron Sutton, Eddie House
Line: Arizona State -3/149
St. John's vs. 16 Arizona (San Francisco), 9:00, ESPN2 - Dave Pasch, Bill Walton
Line: Arizona -11.5
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Who even provides that network. What you mean johhny has it on bro
09 version of Johnny, Bro.....He’s a big Utah watching fan, watches all their games...says Jayce Johnson sucks, terrible, cannot play, not a D1 player...did that all with his extensive watching on the PAC 12 Network. Not many provide that network any longer, they’ve lost distribution as carriers have dropped them.
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Selected Research Reports in Tonight’s Johnnie game versus Arizona and Nico Mannion
https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2019/12/20/21031168/5-things-to-know-st-johns-basketball-arizona-wildcats-preview-chase-center-san-francisco
https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2019/12/21/21032590/arizona-st-johns-basketball-preview-watch-wildcats-san-francisco-chase-center-time-tv-live-stream
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/12/21/st-johns-can-change-narrative-in-massive-arizona-test/amp/
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Channel.?
ESPN2
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09 version of Johnny, Bro.....He’s a big Utah watching fan, watches all their games...says Jayce Johnson sucks, terrible, cannot play, not a D1 player...did that all with his extensive watching on the PAC 12 Network. Not many provide that network any longer, they’ve lost distribution as carriers have dropped them.
But how??? I don’t get it. How do I watch??
It’s just not possible. Ahhhhhh........I remember that day fondly. The day I officially realized you had a pea sized brain. People tried telling me over and over again. Guess I should have listened.
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Nova represents. Huge win.
56-55
Money can't buy happiness.
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But how??? I don’t get it. How do I watch??
It’s just not possible. Ahhhhhh........I remember that day fondly. The day I officially realized you had a pea sized brain. People tried telling me over and over again. Guess I should have listened.
Simple, you watch PAC 12 Network....not hard...not sure why you make it hard...keep going with the JJ tear downs here...working very well for you.
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Simple, you watch PAC 12 Network....not hard...not sure why you make it hard...keep going with the JJ tear downs here...working very well for you.
That’s just it. It wasn’t simple for you. Should I rehash the post. You’re not bright.
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Marquette opponent final score:
SLU 66
K-State 63
(Game was played at Sprint Center in Kansas City. SLU played w/o one of its best shooters, Gibson Jimerson who broke his foot recently and is now out for the season. Stockard had 17, Sneed 11, Diarra 6 for K-St.)
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Arizona State and Remy Martin up 32-30 at half against Creighton
Would be great if Creighton could some how steal a road win.
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Northwestern up 4 at half at DePaul
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Creighton up 1
11:43 left Second
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Johnnies 9-6 15:49 first
Creighton up 6 3:34 left second
Northwestern up 1 8:35 left second
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Creighton does the Big East proud and bears Arizona State on the road
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Came here just to say this.
The Big East is LEGIT.
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St. John's up on Arizona 23-11 on ESPN2
Northwestern 72-71. 3 minutes left on CBSSN. Good game.
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DePaul up 79-74 1:21 left. Nice late rally by DePaul
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DePaul up 79-74 1:21 left. Nice late rally by DePaul
Big 15-2 run by DePaul to rally, just need to hold on.
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Big 15-2 run by DePaul to rally, just need to hold on.
81-76 DePaul 16.8 left
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DePaul with a late surge, then holds on to beat Northwestern and finish non-con 12-1. Best they've done in a long, long time.
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DePaul wins 83-78 excellent game
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Look what winning does to a team. DePaul looked like a team that knew they would win even when NW came on and took a lead late.
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Not a Big East game. Yet, USC leads LSU late on FS1.
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The Johnnies up 14 at half. Incredible 15 foot finger Roll by Figueroa right before first half buzzer.
Anderson has The Johnnies playing like a team and hustling on D
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Came here just to say this.
The Big East is LEGIT.
Not surprising, many of us said the rebound from last year would happen this year. League was very young last year.
We may not have the elite teams, but there is no easy out. Going to be an absolute war.
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The big East looked very good today. I hope MU will be able to match the intensity and toughness these BE teams showed today, if not, we end up on the bottom half.
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USC improves to 10-2 with 70-68 win over LSU.
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St. John's looks good against Arizona. Pretty athletic/physical. League will be a lot tougher this year. Great day for Big East.
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St. John's looks good against Arizona. Pretty athletic/physical. League will be a lot tougher this year. Great day for Big East.
Big East was pretty deep last season.
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Looks like St Johns is gonna choke this one
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Johnnies up 64-59 3:48 left second half.
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Johnnies missing free throws and Zona making theirs down stretch . Johnnies led down to 1 with 1:50 left second
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Johnnies are playing not to lose....
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SJU wins
What a day for the league
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WOW...they held on. Huge few days for Big East. We will remember this stretch on Selection Sunday.
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Huge win for The Johnnies.
Great day for The Big East . Beat number 1 . Road wins. Rivalry wins. Cooley won .
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Big East Conference had a huge day the first Saturday in December as well.
December 7th
Marquette over Kansas State
Georgetown over SMU
Butler over Florida
Xavier over Cincinnati
St. John's over West Virginia
Creighton over Nebraska
Villanova over St. Joe's
7-0 again today. 6 were real games. 4 were underdogs.
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Great day for the BE! Add MU's Friday win and we have an 8-0 weekend.
With only 5 remaining non conference ( 4 cupcakes + TCU ) games before the start of BE conference play on 12/30, what are your (updated) conference predictions for Marquette in particular and the BE in general after seeing the teams in action?
I have great respect for Brew's analysis, so I am especially interested in knowing if his appraisals of the teams has changed significantly.
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Great day for the BE! Add MU's Friday win and we have an 8-0 weekend.
With only 5 remaining non conference ( all cupcakes) games before the start of BE conference play on 12/30, what are your (updated) conference predictions for Marquette in particular and the BE in general after seeing the teams in action?
I have great respect for Brew's analysis, so I am especially interested in knowing if his appraisals of the teams has changed significantly.
10 way tie with everyone having a 9-9 record.
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I’d take 10-8 in a heart beat. All teams that make the tournament from this conference will be battle tested and ready to do some damage in March.
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We may not have the elite teams, but there is no easy out. Going to be an absolute war.
After yesterday, I'm starting to think that there aren't any elite teams in any conference. Villanova knocked off #1 and will keep improving, Butler's already top ten, and I think we'll keep improving. It might be hard for any team in our league to get a 1 seed, which is unfortunate for matchups in the tournament, but I also don't think there will be much drop off from 1 to 3 seeds.
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After yesterday, I'm starting to think that there aren't any elite teams in any conference. Villanova knocked off #1 and will keep improving, Butler's already top ten, and I think we'll keep improving. It might be hard for any team in our league to get a 1 seed, which is unfortunate for matchups in the tournament, but I also don't think there will be much drop off from 1 to 3 seeds.
Agree with this
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Big East was pretty deep last season.
May have been pretty deep, but the league was weak last year, evidenced by both KenPom end of year ratings - a distant 5th - and zero NCAA tourney success.
Think the league will do better this year in NCAA, and CBB is slightly down this year over last.
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Nova has two non con games left with U Conn and Temple later this year . If they can win those that will be helpful to the cause.
X needs to beat TCU today
All remaining cupcakes games need to be won big
Overall goal is to get as many Big East teams in tournament for money making purposes. The more The Big East wins in the tournament the more money made.
More quality teams in league increases the chances for better seeds .
Visibility of having lots of teams in bracket also helps recruiting etc
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Imagine believing the Big East isn’t a top-5 conference in the country.
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Imagine believing the Big East isn’t a top-5 conference in the country.
Sad,y there are posters on this board that think this, let alone on other boards which I would expect.
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May have been pretty deep, but the league was weak last year, evidenced by both KenPom end of year ratings - a distant 5th - and zero NCAA tourney success.
Think the league will do better this year in NCAA, and CBB is slightly down this year over last.
Of course it is how one wants to look at it. Weak it was not! Having 9 of 10 teams in the ncaa/nit is pretty excellent in a so-called down year.
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There is an argument for 7 teams to be ranked tomorrow. And one the three that shouldn’t be ranked opened the year in the top 10. Crazy good conference. Would love to see 8/10 teams in the dance.
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Nova has two non con games left with U Conn and Temple later this year . If they can win those that will be helpful to the cause.
X needs to beat TCU today
All remaining cupcakes games need to be won big
Overall goal is to get as many Big East teams in tournament for money making purposes. The more The Big East wins in the tournament the more money made.
More quality teams in league increases the chances for better seeds .
Visibility of having lots of teams in bracket also helps recruiting etc
What does this even mean?? Big east is quite good and I don't see that changing. Adding Uconn was a near grand slam imo. The conference will be fine. Do we really need to worry about the conference getting teams in so much? what's gonna happen ?
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What does this even mean?? Big east is quite good and I don't see that changing. Adding Uconn was a near grand slam imo. The conference will be fine. Do we really need to worry about the conference getting teams in so much? what's gonna happen ?
It's something like 1.7 million for your conference for each game played. So $170,000 to each school. Not program changing but a good bit of coin.
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What does this even mean?? Big east is quite good and I don't see that changing. Adding Uconn was a near grand slam imo. The conference will be fine. Do we really need to worry about the conference getting teams in so much? what's gonna happen ?
The issue is not is The Big East good enough etc. This is strictly a money issue.
Each team in the conference that makes the NCAA gets a unit share of the NCAA bonus poo for the next six years. For each game won the team gets another unit share of the bonus pool. The NCAA unit shares last year were $280,000. So for teams last year the total payout was 1.68 million for each game played.
The units are spread across the teams in the conference, whether they make the tournament or not.
So the monetary is incentive is very high to have as many teams in the tournament and doing well. So by doing well our teams get higher seeding, which hopefully lead to more wins in the early rounds which means more cash in the till.
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The issue is not is The Big East good enough etc. This is strictly a money issue.
Each team in the conference that makes the NCAA gets a unit share of the NCAA bonus poo for the next six years. For each game won the team gets another unit share of the bonus pool. The NCAA unit shares last year were $280,000. So for teams last year the total payout was 1.68 million for each game played.
The units are spread across the teams in the conference, whether they make the tournament or not.
So the monetary is incentive is very high to have as many teams in the tournament and doing well. So by doing well our teams get higher seeding, which hopefully lead to more wins in the early rounds which means more cash in the till.
Thanks for the info
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Is it crazy to think 9 of 10 BE schools are currently in top 40 best teams???
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Is it crazy to think 9 of 10 BE schools are currently in top 40 best teams???
Haslametrics has 9/10 BEast teams getting a bid with current resumes
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Seton Hall having a Maryland hangover......down 24-19 to good old Prairie View AM with a minute to go in the first half.
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X up 34 -22 at TCU 4:07 left first
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Seton Hall comes alive second half and wins by 20
X up 56-39 at TCU 7:44 left second
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Pomeroy puts the last few days into perspective
https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1208895373852332034?s=21
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10 way tie with everyone having a 9-9 record.
Do they all make the tourney?
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Sad,y there are posters on this board that think this, let alone on other boards which I would expect.
Eh. No one with any sort of opinion worth paying attention to.
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Do they all make the tourney?
Providence would miss out. St John's & Seton Hall would be on the bubble. The rest would be safely in.
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Good quality win for X on the road over TCU
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Providence would miss out. St John's & Seton Hall would be on the bubble. The rest would be safely in.
What's holding St. John's back that 9-9 only puts them on the bubble? Wins over UA and WVU. Vermont game hurting them?
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Do they all make the tourney?
My guess is it would come down to the composition of each teams 9-9 record. NCAA committee said last year they put high weighting on quality wins.
The beauty of the league this year is there are so many opportunities to build the resume .
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What's holding St. John's back that 9-9 only puts them on the bubble? Wins over UA and WVU. Vermont game hurting them?
Look at the rest of their wins. That NCSOS sucks and is similar to the one that had them in the First Four a year ago.
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Davidson and USC with nice wins this weekend. Would be nice for both of them to jump up a few spots in Kenpom/NET
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I have the Big East at 30-15 vs power 5 Conferences.
Unprecedented.
Values = Kenpom
30 Marquette 3-2
21 Seton Hall 2-3
27 Xavier 2-2
78 Providence 1-2
83 St Johns 2-1
62 DePaul 5-0
38 Georgetown 3-1
19 Villanova 2-2
7 Butler 6-1
46 Creighton 4-1
Versus
SEC 5-3
ACC 2-3
Big 12 11-3
Pac 12 4-2
Big 10 8-5
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Look at the rest of their wins. That NCSOS sucks and is similar to the one that had them in the First Four a year ago.
All that is taken into the NET ranking and they are ahead of us.......
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All that is taken into the NET ranking and they are ahead of us.......
Not really, because conference play hasn't started yet. Right now, the NET takes virtually no conference data into account. Once it does, the 280-spot (give or take) difference in our NCSOS will matter.
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Not really, because conference play hasn't started yet. Right now, the NET takes virtually no conference data into account. Once it does, the 280-spot (give or take) difference in our NCSOS will matter.
Why will it matter? All teams in the conference play the exact same conference schedule. The NCSOS is already baked into the numbers now. Last year the numbers did not materially change in conference other than through conference wins and losses.
What matters in Conference is who you beat and where you beat them.
The other factor that is very important is Q1 wins. The NCAA Chairman emphasized that last year in the interview after the selection show.
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Sad,y there are posters on this board that think this, let alone on other boards which I would expect.
Who? I have not seen much of that on this board.
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Why will it matter? All teams in the conference play the exact same conference schedule. The NCSOS is already baked into the numbers now. Last year the numbers did not materially change in conference other than through conference wins and losses.
You're wrong, and here's the easiest evidence I can give you. When Seton Hall beat Maryland, our NET dropped from 50 to 58. Even though we play SHU twice and that will ultimately help us, in the moment it hurt us because NET doesn't have conference play factored in.
So when Central Connecticut, Mercer, Colombia, Brown, St Peter's, & Wagner (all St John's opponents projected to finish bottom 3 in league) go get crap-kicked in conference play to weaker opponents, their NET will drop just like ours did when Maryland lost.
Yes, performing in our own league will help and the quality of Big East play on an even field will raise all ranks, but who you played matters because your ranking can be dramatically impacted by the results of those non-con performances.
If you think non-con doesn't impact this once you get to conference play, I'd refer you to last year's St John's. The Johnnies finished lower in the NET than Butler or Providence despite having a better non-con and Big East record than either of them. They also finished behind Seton Hall & Xavier despite a 1-loss Big East difference despite a 2-loss & 4-loss non-con record difference. That's because St John's played a dogcrap schedule that dragged them down once teams got into conference play.
If it was all even once conference play starts, St John's should've been ahead of all of those teams comfortably. But they schedule like crap, so there you go.
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Why will it matter? All teams in the conference play the exact same conference schedule. The NCSOS is already baked into the numbers now. Last year the numbers did not materially change in conference other than through conference wins and losses.
What matters in Conference is who you beat and where you beat them.
The other factor that is very important is Q1 wins. The NCAA Chairman emphasized that last year in the interview after the selection show.
It isn’t about who you play in conference it is about who your non-conference opponents play in conference. When the cupcakes that you feasted on get light up in conference their Net goes down causing your Net to get dragged down as well.
In non conference the cupcakes typically have harder strength of schedules as they need to play the big guys and with the buy games but that drops come conference time comes around. In their conferences they play 18 games against other mediocre teams.
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Without doing any research I'm going to say this past weekend was the best non-conference weekend ever for the current Big East. Thursday to Sunday the BE was 11-0 with wins over Kansas, Maryland, Purdue, Arizona, TCU, Texas, Arizona State, and Northwestern. Great for the conference and shows that there will be no easy games this year.
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You're wrong, and here's the easiest evidence I can give you. When Seton Hall beat Maryland, our NET dropped from 50 to 58. Even though we play SHU twice and that will ultimately help us, in the moment it hurt us because NET doesn't have conference play factored in.
So when Central Connecticut, Mercer, Colombia, Brown, St Peter's, & Wagner (all St John's opponents projected to finish bottom 3 in league) go get crap-kicked in conference play to weaker opponents, their NET will drop just like ours did when Maryland lost.
Yes, performing in our own league will help and the quality of Big East play on an even field will raise all ranks, but who you played matters because your ranking can be dramatically impacted by the results of those non-con performances.
If you think non-con doesn't impact this once you get to conference play, I'd refer you to last year's St John's. The Johnnies finished lower in the NET than Butler or Providence despite having a better non-con and Big East record than either of them. They also finished behind Seton Hall & Xavier despite a 1-loss Big East difference despite a 2-loss & 4-loss non-con record difference. That's because St John's played a dogcrap schedule that dragged them down once teams got into conference play.
If it was all even once conference play starts, St John's should've been ahead of all of those teams comfortably. But they schedule like crap, so there you go.
What I am saying is the dog meat opponents are already at the bottom. They can’t get materially worse. The NET action is most prevalent in beating good opponents . That is why when Cooley & Company beat Texas they had a huge jump up.
The reason The Johnnies NET tanked last year is because they sucked in conference and got their ass handed to them by DePaul and X twice who were two of the worst NET teams in the conference .
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What I am saying is the dog meat opponents are already at the bottom. They can’t get materially worse. The NET action is most prevalent in beating good opponents . That is why when Cooley & Company beat Texas they had a huge jump up.
The reason The Johnnies NET tanked last year is because they sucked in conference and got their ass handed to them by DePaul and X twice who were two of the worst NET teams in the conference .
10-8 and we are dancing?
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What I am saying is the dog meat opponents are already at the bottom.
No, what you are saying is you don't understand how the math works.
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10-8 and we are dancing?
Lead cinch lock.
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Lead cinch lock.
Absolutely
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No, what you are saying is you don't understand how the math works.
Based on tracking it daily last year, By the end of non conference season, the NET rankings , for the most part, lock in and change is primarily from a schools individual performance . Yes there may be some variance due to non con teams played materially changing their trajectory but that is minimal . Also once non conference is done, everyone has locked in their quality non con wins.
The only source of quality wins then becomes intra conference, The Big East has the benefit of nearly every game being a q1 q2 (depending on how well Providence does). That is where the primary action will be.
Also just for the record , rather than making an ad hominem attack, I will just say that no one knows how the math works because it has not been published.
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Without doing any research I'm going to say this past weekend was the best non-conference weekend ever for the current Big East. Thursday to Sunday the BE was 11-0 with wins over Kansas, Maryland, Purdue, Arizona, TCU, Texas, Arizona State, and Northwestern. Great for the conference and shows that there will be no easy games this year.
Did about the same the weekend before. How BE is not the #1 rated conference idk. Did BE sweep the BE v. B12?
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10-8 and we are dancing?
That would require us to sweep at least one team. I just do not see a sweep happening. There are no easy road games.
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That would require us to sweep at least one team. I just do not see a sweep happening. There are no easy road games.
I’d bet a lot of money that we’ll sweep at least one team. Doesn’t mean we go 10-8 or even better. But I’d be shocked if we didn’t sweep at least one team and get swept by at least one team.
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Excellent Research Report on the Big East . Chronicles each team recent performance.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-12-23/how-big-east-has-put-college-basketball-alert
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9/10 Big East teams in AP poll as either ranked or also receiving votes.
Early, but yowsah.
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Excellent Research Report on the Big East . Chronicles each team recent performance.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-12-23/how-big-east-has-put-college-basketball-alert
Impressive. I’m prepared for scoop meltdowns, meat summit “I told you so’s”, and absolute elation during this conference season. Will be a ton of fun. Would take 10-8 now and a run in both tournaments. Merry Christmas everybody!
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Pomeroy currently has it:
Team
- Butler 12-6
- Villanova 11-7
- Seton Hall 10-8
- Xavier 10-8
- Marquette 10-8
- Georgetown 9-9
- Creighton 9-9
- DePaul 7-11
- Providence 6-12
- St. John's 6-12
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Impressive. I’m prepared for scoop meltdowns, meat summit “I told you so’s”, and absolute elation during this conference season. Will be a ton of fun. Would take 10-8 now and a run in both tournaments. Merry Christmas everybody!
Yup. Bloodbath it will be. Merry Christmas
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Also just for the record , rather than making an ad hominem attack, I will just say that no one knows how the math works because it has not been published.
It doesn't need to be to see the trends. The NET most closely mimics kenpom. When we beat K-State, many pointed out that our kenpom ranking improved by 6, but it actually only improved by 3 from our result. The results of our non-con opponents' games were so good that our ranking went up by 3 before we stepped on the court. That's the same reason our NET can have big changes when we don't even play.
That doesn't stop when conference play starts. The equation doesn't stop running because we're playing Big East teams. After all, leagues like the ACC & Big 10 have already started conference play.
I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.
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It doesn't need to be to see the trends. The NET most closely mimics kenpom. When we beat K-State, many pointed out that our kenpom ranking improved by 6, but it actually only improved by 3 from our result. The results of our non-con opponents' games were so good that our ranking went up by 3 before we stepped on the court. That's the same reason our NET can have big changes when we don't even play.
That doesn't stop when conference play starts. The equation doesn't stop running because we're playing Big East teams. After all, leagues like the ACC & Big 10 have already started conference play.
I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.
Agree. RPI Forecast used to have a cool aspect on their website that showed the weighting of your score based on what every team you played did, and what their opponents did. And what their opponents' opponents did. Someday someone will do that for the NET.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Marquette.html Scroll to bottom
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It doesn't need to be to see the trends. The NET most closely mimics kenpom. When we beat K-State, many pointed out that our kenpom ranking improved by 6, but it actually only improved by 3 from our result. The results of our non-con opponents' games were so good that our ranking went up by 3 before we stepped on the court. That's the same reason our NET can have big changes when we don't even play.
That doesn't stop when conference play starts. The equation doesn't stop running because we're playing Big East teams. After all, leagues like the ACC & Big 10 have already started conference play.
I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.
NET rankings are their own model . You have your interpretation of the rankings trends. My interpretation of the trends are different.
We will see how the final NET rankings work out.
The good news is everyone in the league,except Providence is starting out with a decent NET going into conference play. So the opportunity to pick up Q1 wins is going to be available.
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NET rankings are their own model . You have your interpretation of the rankings trends. My interpretation of the trends are different.
We will see how the final NET rankings work out.
We don't have to. Like I said, look at St John's last year. Look at our change after the Maryland loss. It's not an interpretation of trends. It's looking at data that's already there.
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We don't have to. Like I said, look at St John's last year. Look at our change after the Maryland loss. It's not an interpretation of trends. It's looking at data that's already there.
Don't waste your time Brew not worth it.
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“Interpretation” is not how math works.
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Ewing and Associates, MU, Butler and Creighton all with cupcakes on the schedule today. Winning is always good, helps momentum and builds optics. Also, it is nice to have a tune up before conference play.
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Ewing and Associates, MU, Butler and Creighton all with cupcakes on the schedule today. Winning is always good, helps momentum and builds optics. Also, it is nice to have a tune up before conference play.
Mostly a tuneup after the Christmas week.
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American has made a comeback to lead Georgetown late in the 1st half.
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Pomeroy is projecting UW-madison and K-State to have losing records for the year....K-state dead last at the moment. Need these guys to help us a bit down the road.
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Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.
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I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.
Do you do it for fun or for gambling purposes?
Or both?
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Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.
Pomeroy has us projected to lose by 1 at Creighton, and win by 3 at home against Nova. Hard to project this team...we have only one Top 50 win, and we will face a lot of Top 50 games in Big East. #crapshoot
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Solid 20 point win for Ewing and Associates .
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Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.
1-3 also very possible
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Not sure if ya'll are aware but the BE is very deep and even this year.
Every game is a possible win or loss.
So why stop at the first 2 or 4?
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Do you do it for fun or for gambling purposes?
Or both?
For the Cracked Sidewalks bracket articles.
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Pomeroy is projecting UW-madison and K-State to have losing records for the year....K-state dead last at the moment. Need these guys to help us a bit down the road.
Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols
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Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols
Vols have looked terrible. So many unforced turnovers.
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Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols
Vols just lost their best player for the season last weekend, Lamonte Bearden
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Vols just lost their best player for the season last weekend, Lamonte Bearden Turner
FIFY
Neither WI nor TN are BE teams.
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Vols just lost their best player for the season last weekend, Lamonte Bearden
Turner (Bearden's real name) has been one of the worst shooters in all of college basketball. Just brutal.
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FIFY
Neither WI nor TN are BE teams.
I knew I was going to make that mistake and I still did. My bad
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Turner (Bearden's real name) has been one of the worst shooters in all of college basketball. Just brutal.
He was also their main facilitator on offense, even with the bad shooting. He’s a big loss for them at the moment
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Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols
I told my son before the game today UW-madison wins by at least 8....Tennessee lost a MAJOR player for the year earlier this week. With UW's defense, that's tough to come out of for UT until they have gone some time playing with the replacement. UT will need to get up to speed quickly if they want to remain in it due to the PG injury they had.
Guard's game.
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I told my son before the game today UW-madison wins by at least 8....Tennessee lost a MAJOR player for the year earlier this week. With UW's defense, that's tough to come out of for UT until they have gone some time playing with the replacement. UT will need to get up to speed quickly if they want to remain in it due to the PG injury they had.
Guard's game.
MUScoop’s resident shark does it again.
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Solid 31 point cupcake win for Butler over Louisiana- Monroe. Derrick Smits back in the line up with 16 points in 12 minutes.
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Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.
Also a very real chance we are 2-0.
Or 1-1.
But I know what you're saying ... we certainly could start 0-2 with those 2 tough games. So it's a good thing that there will be 16 more regular-season conference games to go after those 2.
Another good thing: Everybody will stay nice and calm, knowing that it's a long season, and peace will reign over all of ScoopLand.
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Creighton wins the final cupcake of the day. Doesn't count in NET etc because it was against an NAIA team. Nova has two non con games later this year against U Conn and Temple. Should be opportunity to put Quality Wins on the board.
This thread being is now being renamed Big East Conference Results.
Looking forward to a great conference season. First two games on Monday : X at Nova and Seton Hall at DePaul.
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MUScoop’s resident shark does it again.
Yep. Another spot on prediction/analysis shared with the Scoop community after the fact. How does he do it?
BTW, told my granddaughter this morning that LSU would rout Oklahoma by 35. Burrow just too good - QB’s game.
Gave her my insight on Clemson vs OSU, too. I’ll publish the lowdown 4 hours from now.
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Mac McClung injured.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/28/mac-mcclung-injured-georgetown-basketball-win-over-american-u/
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MUScoop’s resident shark does it again.
examples after examples where I gave you clear wins days, even weeks before the games even played....but of course you ignore all those....Cowboys, Patriots, Wisconsin football, Minnesota football, and on and on....but of course...it's what you do, P.
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Excellent Research Report on early success of The Johnnies New Coach
https://nypost.com/2019/12/22/mike-anderson-gives-surprising-st-johns-everything-it-lacked/h
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Selected Research Reports on Mondays games:
Seton Hall at DePaul
X at Nova
https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/12/shorthanded-seton-hall-opens-big-east-play-with-tough-matchup.html
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2019/12/28/how-watch-listen-and-storylines-xavier-no-10-villanova/2748613001/
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Powell will be back Friday according to Willard. I thought the initial prognosis was longer.
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Powell will be back Friday according to Willard. I thought the initial prognosis was longer.
Friday for sure, possibly some minutes against DePaul
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/29/seton-hall-basketball-myles-powell-depaul/2768797001/
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DePaul Student Newspaper solid research report on eve of their conference opener versus The Hall.
https://depauliaonline.com/45121/sports/column-as-depaul-gets-ready-to-begin-conference-play-its-time-they-start-thinking-big/
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DePaul Student Newspaper solid research report on eve of their conference opener versus The Hall.
https://depauliaonline.com/45121/sports/column-as-depaul-gets-ready-to-begin-conference-play-its-time-they-start-thinking-big/
They keep referring to it just being a rough decade. By my count they've had one "meh I guess it wasn't horrible" season since 2004.
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Nova up 7 on Xavier with about 12 minutes to go.
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52-45 Nova 7:47 left. Game on campus at Nova.
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Powell will be back Friday according to Willard. I thought the initial prognosis was longer.
I swear it’s like the boy who cried wolf with this kid.
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Nova all alone in first place....holding serve on home court will be the name of the game this entire Big East season.
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I swear it’s like the boy who cried wolf with this kid.
That's a Willard issue. Powell isn't the one giving inaccurate timelines.
It also was just a concussion. It didn't make sense that he'd be out long term.
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That's a Willard issue. Powell isn't the one giving inaccurate timelines.
It also was just a concussion. It didn't make sense that he'd be out long term.
I listened to the pre game on the radio with Willard. He said Powell was cleared on the 23rd. However he had only worked out with the team the last two days essentially out for two weeks and needs to regain his conditioning.
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Powell playing and chucking now.
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DePaul up 6 at the half. Hard to tell from the camera angle, but looks like many of the lower level seats are filled, so maybe 3,500-4,000 attendance. For DePaul that is a lot.
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DePaul up 6 at the half. Hard to tell from the camera angle, but looks like many of the lower level seats are filled, so maybe 3,500-4,000 attendance. For DePaul that is a lot.
I actually see people in the upper deck behind the basket. I would guess more.
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I actually see people in the upper deck behind the basket. I would guess more.
My understanding is that's where their student section is
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Gage, coming back from injury, having a nice night for DePaul . That added depth really helps in these tough battles.
Tied 64-64 3:31 left
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DePaul keeps hoisting up dopey shots.
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Gage, coming back from injury, having a nice night for DePaul . That added depth really helps in these tough battles.
Tied 64-64 3:31 left
He is not good
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De Paul totally falls apart. Some things just don’t change..
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Choked
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Tough loss for DePaul.
Myles Powell solid performance with 27 points.
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#sleepinggiant
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De Paul totally falls apart. Some things just don’t change..
This.
The better, more battle-tested, savvier, better-coached team won.
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MU will need Koby to play against Powell, Torrence would get torched.
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This.
The better, more battle-tested, savvier, better-coached team won.
You know what? DePaul may have worked themselves into a top 50-60 program in the country but still may finish last in the Big East.
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MU will need Koby to play against Powell, Torrence would get torched.
It would never be Symir on Powell anyways.
Sacar or Koby will always have the assignment.
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You know what? DePaul may have worked themselves into a top 50-60 program in the country but still may finish last in the Big East.
Two words - Saint Johns.
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
11:27 30Dec19
The Big East will enter tonight's conference openers with a combined record of 101-25.
Nine teams received votes in this week's AP Top 25 poll.
Best league in the sport.
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
11:27 30Dec19
The Big East will enter tonight's conference openers with a combined record of 101-25.
Nine teams received votes in this week's AP Top 25 poll.
Best league in the sport.
TRUTH
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It would never be Symir on Powell anyways.
Sacar or Koby will always have the assignment.
Theo will be guarding Powell. Hello, eighth row.
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De Paul totally falls apart. Some things just don’t change..
They have to learn to win these types of games, which they will this year. Naive to think things haven't changed with them.
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Theo will be guarding Powell. Hello, eighth row.
Sadly Theo got tossed the last time Powell went at him
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The Hall is a very good team when Powell and Mamu are healthy . The good news for them, is when they have been out the rest of the team has been able to gain some confidence.
Powell demonstrated why he is an All American type player tonight. Took over the game when it mattered. If Mamu comes back The Hall may be peaking when it really matters.
DePaul learned how to win these kind of games in non conference. They also moved the ball more around more . They will eventually learn what they need to do in conference where literally every possession matters.
Season started off well tonight for Nova. They have a great system with talented players who understand how to play in the system. X showed some tenacity and kept fighting back , but it is hard when they don't have a meaningful 3 point capability.
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The Hall is a very good team when Powell and Mamu are healthy . The good news for them, is when they have been out the rest of the team has been able to gain some confidence.
Powell demonstrated why he is an All American type player tonight. Took over the game when it mattered. If Mamu comes back The Hall may be peaking when it really matters.
DePaul learned how to win these kind of games in non conference. They also moved the ball more around more . They will eventually learn what they need to do in conference where literally every possession matters.
Season started off well tonight for Nova. They have a great system with talented players who understand how to play in the system. X showed some tenacity and kept fighting back , but it is hard when they don't have a meaningful 3 point capability.
Reed is a heck of a player. DePaul stopped going inside at crunch time and really ran bad offense the last couple minutes at winning time, whereas Seton Hall got good looks every time. I thought DePaul might run them out of the building at a few points in the first half.
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It would never be Symir on Powell anyways.
Sacar or Koby will always have the assignment.
And/or Greg
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That was the best DePaul game I've been to, really excited for their team if the fans keep showing up like that. Awesome atmosphere last night.
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The Hall is a very good team when Powell and Mamu are healthy . The good news for them, is when they have been out the rest of the team has been able to gain some confidence.
Powell demonstrated why he is an All American type player tonight. Took over the game when it mattered. If Mamu comes back The Hall may be peaking when it really matters.
6-3 record with both those guys playing this year and best win was.........Saint Louis(?) during that stretch.
Based on evidence, "very good" would not be accurate.
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6-3 record with both those guys playing this year and best win was.........Saint Louis(?) during that stretch.
Based on evidence, "very good" would not be accurate.
Might be a "Mad Men" thing.
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6-3 record with both those guys playing this year and best win was.........Saint Louis(?) during that stretch.
Based on evidence, "very good" would not be accurate.
Bodes well for MU then...we shouldn't have a problem with Hall this year.
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6-3 record with both those guys playing this year and best win was.........Saint Louis(?) during that stretch.
Based on evidence, "very good" would not be accurate.
Two of those losses are to Michigan State and Oregon by a combined 5 points. Cannot look at wins only, but how they played in losses, too.
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6-3 record with both those guys playing this year and best win was.........Saint Louis(?) during that stretch.
Based on evidence, "very good" would not be accurate.
And the new wave of enthusiasm is for a win over DePaul.
Their Maryland win was impressive, but their next best efforts have been losses and their next best wins are kind of meh.
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And the new wave of enthusiasm is for a win over DePaul.
If MU had won at DePaul last night, people on here would be talking all about how hard it is to get road wins in the Big East, and how impressive it was that MU got the job done against what had been a hot Blue Demons team to start the year. I don’t think it’s fair to pooh pooh Seton Hall for doing just that.
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If MU had won at DePaul last night, people on here would be talking all about how hard it is to get road wins in the Big East, and how impressive it was that MU got the job done against what had been a hot Blue Demons team to start the year. I don’t think it’s fair to pooh pooh Seton Hall for doing just that.
Yuppers!
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If MU had won at DePaul last night, people on here would be talking all about how hard it is to get road wins in the Big East, and how impressive it was that MU got the job done against what had been a hot Blue Demons team to start the year. I don’t think it’s fair to pooh pooh Seton Hall for doing just that.
"Beating DePaul" and "impressive" are words that haven't been put together in Marquette conversation since Quentin Richardson went pro.
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"Beating DePaul" and "impressive" are words that haven't been put together in Marquette conversation since Quentin Richardson went pro.
Come on there's a good two years in there where it was a good win to impressive
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Any win is a good win (unless a player suffers a catastrophic injury or something).
Any road win is a really good win.
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And the new wave of enthusiasm is for a win over DePaul.
Their Maryland win was impressive, but their next best efforts have been losses and their next best wins are kind of meh.
Not sure we are in any position to "meh" Hall's resume.
Our best wins are over an inflated Purdue (12) and USC (69). We got hammered by (8) Maryland, and (35) Wisconsin.
Seton Hall has wins over (8) Maryland, and (43) Iowa State. They have loses to (5) Michigan State and (10) Oregon by a combined 5 points.
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The beautiful thing is that we are about to start finding out soon how good or bad or mediocre we and all the other BEast teams are, at least compared to one another.
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Not sure we are in any position to "meh" Hall's resume.
Our best wins are over an inflated Purdue (12) and USC (69). We got hammered by (8) Maryland, and (35) Wisconsin.
Seton Hall has wins over (8) Maryland, and (43) Iowa State. They have loses to (5) Michigan State and (10) Oregon by a combined 5 points.
Sure, and if that was the whole resume I'd agree with you. But they also have two additional losses to ISU and Rutgers
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No McClung for Gtown today.
Basically have 6 guys. And one of them has two fouls already
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Cooley & Company up 12-0 at home over Ewing and Associates. 16:00 left first.
As pointed out no McClung for Georgetown.
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No McClung for Gtown today.
Basically have 6 guys. And one of them has two fouls already
Is it due to injury or off-court issue?
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Every game for Marquette in Conference feels like a tossup this year. Buckle up and enjoy the ride. Expect some turbulence, occasional euphoria but mostly, relax or eat Arby’s. It’s up to you
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Is it due to injury or off-court issue?
Some one poked him in the eye last game.
Cooley & Company 32 Ewing & Associates 10 7:37 left
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Cooley & Company 43 Ewing & Associates 15 4:00 left first
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When George Muresan (senior, 4 pts in his career) comes in three minutes into the first half, there's no bench left.
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Hoyas miss Mcclung no doubt but Providence has 54 in the first half.......Friars look like they might have righted the ship on the offensive end in the Texas game.
Every win will be big in the BE this season.
I will appreciate every one we earn
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Cooley & Company 54 Ewing & Associates 23 half
AJ Reeves did well regaining his confidence.
Very Loud home crowd
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Excellent NY Post Research Report On The Johnnies. They are getting a lot of positive local press.
https://nypost.com/2019/12/30/mike-anderson-believes-st-johns-can-play-at-another-level/
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Excellent NY Post Research Report On The Johnnies. They are getting a lot of positive local press.
https://nypost.com/2019/12/30/mike-anderson-believes-st-johns-can-play-at-another-level/
Good. I don’t necessarily believe St. John’s has to be good for the Big East to be good but it doesn’t hurt.
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Ewing & Asscoiates rally , now down by 20 now to Cooley & Company 15:41 left game
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Friars offense looks broken again and Hoyas have woken up......down to a 16 point game from 33. Do they have enough time?
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Friars offense looks broken again and Hoyas have woken up......down to a 16 point game from 33. Do they have enough time?
I enjoy listening to Ewings huddles when he is chewing out his team. There was one a few years ago that went viral.
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Friars offense looks broken again and Hoyas have woken up......down to a 16 point game from 33. Do they have enough time?
No. ;D
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Seton Hall has wins over (8) Maryland, and (43) Iowa State. They have loses to (5) Michigan State and (10) Oregon by a combined 5 points.
I guess when you ignore half their losses their resume really does look better.
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Friars offense looks broken again and Hoyas have woken up......down to a 16 point game from 33. Do they have enough time?
Home cookin.
Seton hall had to earn that road win over DePaul last night
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The big ten(12j has 11 top 50 teams, followed by the big east and one other (forget which one) have 6-gonna be a lot of teeth grinding ups and downs this year
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Butler up 44-25 over The Johnnies 16:00 left second
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Now it’s 3.......crazy
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Johnnie crowd into the game . Going to be fun down the stretch
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Butler - St Johns is a very entertaining game. Note to self, don't take the foot off the pedal against the Johnnies!
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17-0 run. Wow.
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Not sure we are in any position to "meh" Hall's resume.
Our best wins are over an inflated Purdue (12) and USC (69). We got hammered by (8) Maryland, and (35) Wisconsin.
Seton Hall has wins over (8) Maryland, and (43) Iowa State. They have loses to (5) Michigan State and (10) Oregon by a combined 5 points.
Their second best win in your eyes just lost to Florida A&M. Bummer.
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Tied 7:06 left
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I'm conflicted here. Half way rooting for St Johns to finish off a great comeback, but would it be better for MU for Butler to keep climbing the rankings? I know it's too early for a definitive answer there, probably doesn't matter much either way.
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What this Butler-SJU game is showing everyone, is just how truly overrated Butler is. They have been doing it with smoke and mirrors. Remember, this is the same Butler team that was picked 8th in the BE by the Coaches. THIS is who they really are. This isn't about how good SJU is(they aren't), it's about how not good Butler is.
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Their second best win in your eyes just lost to Florida A&M. Bummer.
Upset of the year. Iowa State was a 25 point favorite.
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What this Butler-SJU game is showing everyone, is just how truly overrated Butler is. They have been doing it with smoke and mirrors. Remember, this is the same Butler team that was picked 8th in the BE by the Coaches. THIS is who they really are. This isn't about how good SJU is(they aren't), it's about how not good Butler is.
Really, that’s what it says?
Could it also say that winning on the road is hard in this league? Butler has some solid wins this year, so I am not sure where you get the overrated stuff from.
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SJ can turn you over (23 times tonight)
They will be a tough out....’just like every other team in the Big East.
Butler Was a top 10 pomeroy team going into this game.......they weren’t overrated.
What this game shows is that it’s tough to win on the road in conference play.....and that you need to play well or you will be in a dog fight.
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What this Butler-SJU game is showing everyone, is just how truly overrated Butler is. They have been doing it with smoke and mirrors. Remember, this is the same Butler team that was picked 8th in the BE by the Coaches. THIS is who they really are. This isn't about how good SJU is(they aren't), it's about how not good Butler is.
What Butler has done this year and only loss is the final play of the game at Baylor. Butler is underrated. Should be ranked in the Top 10.
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What a great game......I’m exhausted just watching it.
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Upset of the year. Iowa State was a 25 point favorite.
There have been 4 games so far this season where a team favored by 25 or more, lost.
Florida A&M had previously gone 0-72 vs major conference teams the past twenty years.
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Really unprepared for that last possession
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Wow what a game, Butler showed a lot by getting it done at the end.
Good win for Butler and also The Johnnies showed a lot
Super fun league this year
Looking forward to the New Year
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Gutty win by Butler after blowing that big lead.........Butler was 23rd in the country in offensive turnover percentage......St Johns was 30th in forcing turnovers.......tonight SJ defense won that battle.....and it almost got them a win.
Fun game
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https://twitter.com/sethonhoops/status/1212206170775150594?s=21
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https://nypost.com/2019/12/31/st-johns-blows-chance-at-upset-in-crushing-loss-to-butler/
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https://twitter.com/sethonhoops/status/1212206170775150594?s=21
Thanks, good to know someone is paying attention and hopefully creating more media focus on the BE.
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Really, that’s what it says?
Could it also say that winning on the road is hard in this league? Butler has some solid wins this year, so I am not sure where you get the overrated stuff from.
Ask the BE Coaches, who it seems in most years have been pretty accurate in predicting where teams will finish. This Butler team was picked to finish 8th..did the Coaches miss by THAT much you think??
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Thanks, good to know someone is paying attention and hopefully creating more media focus on the BE.
It was stated in November from him how good the Big East is on ESPN. Glad he is still saying it.
Jon Rothstein had one pimping the Big East the other day as the best conference.
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Really unprepared for that last possession
Where the hell was Dunn going? Casually dribbles out to midcourt with team down 2 and just a few seconds left.
St John's still had a time-out. I guess Anderson was saving it for next game.
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I guess when you ignore half their losses their resume really does look better.
Seton Hall is overrated and DePaul sucks because DePaul. Got it. If Marquette goes 4-0 against those teams in conference play, I’ll expect no hubris from you, no slurpery whatsoever. Anything more than a shrug of the shoulders should be deemed hypocrisy.
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It was stated in November from him how good the Big East is on ESPN. Glad he is still saying it.
Jon Rothstein had one pimping the Big East the other day as the best conference.
Yeah, I caught the one in November by Seth, but missed any others.
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Seton Hall is overrated and DePaul sucks because DePaul. Got it. If Marquette goes 4-0 against those teams in conference play, I’ll expect no hubris from you, no slurpery whatsoever. Anything more than a shrug of the shoulders should be deemed hypocrisy.
Seton Hall is the same as last year. A decent team that can play with the big boys when Powell is on, but ultimately a middle of the league team. DePaul is improved, but not to the point where you stake your pride for the season on it.
Beating DePaul is a nice win, but it certainly doesn't validate the preposterous Seton Hall preseason love fest, which was basically what GA was pointing out.
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I hope MU sees this...The best back court in the conference?? You sure Jon??
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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1h
The Big East is the best conference in college basketball and the league's best back court resides in Omaha.
If you don't know about Creighton's perimeter, you will soon.
Jays host Marquette in their Big East opener.
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Their second best win in your eyes just lost to Florida A&M. Bummer.
Welp...Iowa State is still a better win than our second best win. Bummer.
Think it is silly to diss Seton Hall, when our MU team is largely untested. Our resume is pretty thin at this point. 1-2 against Top 50 teams.
Seton Hall is the same as last year. A decent team that can play with the big boys when Powell is on, but ultimately a middle of the league team. DePaul is improved, but not to the point where you stake your pride for the season on it.
Beating DePaul is a nice win, but it certainly doesn't validate the preposterous Seton Hall preseason love fest, which was basically what GA was pointing out.
Sure. You could say the same about Marquette. When our all-time leading scorer and our soon to be two-time All-American is off, we are middle of the league team at best. Not sure anyone was suggesting Seton Hall was "staking their pride for the season" on beating DePaul?
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Not sure why an honest assessment of Seton Hall has to be accompanied by a comparison to Marquette's accomplishments. Brew never made the comparison in the first place.
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Not sure why an honest assessment of Seton Hall has to be accompanied by a comparison to Marquette's accomplishments. Brew never made the comparison in the first place.
It’s a chance for Ners to dunk on Wojo. It’s what he does. Can’t pass up an opportunity no matter how irrational it is.
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Upset of the year. Iowa State was a 25 point favorite.
Doesn’t excuse losing to Florida A&M but ISU was without Halliburton
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Doesn’t excuse losing to Florida A&M but ISU was without Halliburton
That is still pretty bad. Iowa State was up by 9 points at halftime.
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That is still pretty bad. Iowa State was up by 9 points at halftime.
The silver lining in the cloud is that right now Florida A and M has best NET ranking in the MEAC(235), if they are able to win their league in dominating fashion it is could be possible that they may move up to a Q3 win for The Hall, Kansas State and USC.
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Some interesting quotes from Willard in this research report.
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/12/30/seton-hall-depaul-basketball/2768811001/
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Not sure why an honest assessment of Seton Hall has to be accompanied by a comparison to Marquette's accomplishments. Brew never made the comparison in the first place.
Other than the fact we are a Marquette message board, and play in the same conference as Seton Hall - yea, there's no point in contrasting MU to Seton Hall.
It’s a chance for Ners to dunk on Wojo. It’s what he does. Can’t pass up an opportunity no matter how irrational it is.
I'm not "dunking on Wojo." Stop being so sensitive. What's "irrational" about pointing out the facts between Seton Hall and MU's performance? Hall/Willard have outperformed MU since Wojo took over. Is what it is. Hopefully we once again begin to dominate them as we did under Buzz.
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Other than the fact we are a Marquette message board, and play in the same conference as Seton Hall - yea, there's no point in contrasting MU to Seton Hall.
I'm not "dunking on Wojo." Stop being so sensitive. What's "irrational" about pointing out the facts between Seton Hall and MU's performance? Hall/Willard have outperformed MU since Wojo took over. Is what it is. Hopefully we once again begin to dominate them as we did under Buzz.
Nobody was talking about Marquette’s resume or claiming Marquette is better positioned, has better wins or better losses, etc. Until you decided to jump in with your faux outrage. And now you’re (SHOCKINGLY) turning it into Buzz vs. Wojo. Great! You’ve never done that before!
Sounds like a guy who’s not desperately trying to dunk on Wojo like you do all the poor souls at the Y and the Rec back in the day. My apologies, I was wrong.
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I hope MU sees this...The best back court in the conference?? You sure Jon??
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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1h
The Big East is the best conference in college basketball and the league's best back court resides in Omaha.
If you don't know about Creighton's perimeter, you will soon.
Jays host Marquette in their Big East opener.
Creighton?? Mr rothstein sounds like skippy clueless. Not only are his home team colors showing, but his ignorance or clickbait comment about big East being the best conference? I’d love for that to be a fact but the big 10 has 11 teams in the top 50. Big East has 6 I believe.
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Creighton?? Mr rothstein sounds like skippy clueless. Not only are his home team colors showing, but his ignorance or clickbait comment about big East being the best conference? I’d love for that to be a fact but the big 10 has 11 teams in the top 50. Big East has 6 I believe.
The big 10 also has a couple absolute trainwrecks.
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The big 10 also has a couple absolute trainwrecks.
Bucky is probably a caboose in their own league
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Other than the fact we are a Marquette message board, and play in the same conference as Seton Hall - yea, there's no point in contrasting MU to Seton Hall.
I'm not "dunking on Wojo." Stop being so sensitive. What's "irrational" about pointing out the facts between Seton Hall and MU's performance? Hall/Willard have outperformed MU since Wojo took over. Is what it is. Hopefully we once again begin to dominate them as we did under Buzz.
Ners...Houston still going well?
Seton Hall when Willard took over he went to one NIT and no ncaas in hist first five years. Now four straight ncaas...they were patient with hi despite fan cries...this is why if you believe in coaches, stick with them. Buzz went up against a different Seton Hall program than Wojo has. Just as the DePaul program is about to be much different than the one Crean and Buzz faced.
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I hope MU sees this...The best back court in the conference?? You sure Jon??
Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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1h
The Big East is the best conference in college basketball and the league's best back court resides in Omaha.
If you don't know about Creighton's perimeter, you will soon.
Jays host Marquette in their Big East opener.
I think Zegarowski has a outside chance at BE POY. He has really came into his own this year.
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It’s a chance for Ners to dunk on Wojo. It’s what he does. Can’t pass up an opportunity no matter how irrational it is.
I didn't know elonmusk was Ners. Now I understand the fanboy act.
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Zegarowski is really good and Alexander was already a stud last year. We have the most quality depth, Xavier & Seton Hall would probably make arguments for themselves, but as far as a starting pair, I might agree with Rothstein.
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https://marquettewire.org/4023868/sports/unprecedented-depth-across-big-east-offers-opportunity-risk-for-golden-eagles/
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https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/1/2/21046355/villanova-basketball-arizin-news-wildcats-marquette
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Ewing & Associates facing The Hall tonight
https://nypost.com/2020/01/02/what-seton-halls-myles-powell-learned-during-concussion-recovery/
https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2020/1/3/21048178/georgetown-seton-hall-time-tv-streaming-preview
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Seton Hall up 40-22 at home against Ewing & Associates. 2:00 left first
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The Hall 41-24 over Ewing & Associates at Home. Loud crowd . Lower bowl looks full there. Can't tell if they closed off the upper.
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The Hall 56 Ewing & Associates 39 11:35 left second
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The Hall 61 Ewing & Associates 50. 8:19 left second
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Powell doing his thing. The Hall 71 Ewing & Associates 50 5:46 left.
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The Hall 73-54 3:19 left
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Seton Hall fighting with Georgetown. Talking trash. Little pushing. I thought Powell wanted to punch McClung. Powell was never part of it.
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Skirmish on the court a little shoving etc. 4 players Ewing & Associates . 2 players The Hall ejected.
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I’m shocked there was a skirmish in a game involving Seton Hall.
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The Hall wins by 16.
Seton Hall are a team of low class punks.
Can't wait for our game against those jerks.
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Lavin pointing out that Willard is the architect of The Halls propensity for irritating behavior. Of course he presented it as a compliment.
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Will be interesting to see if the fans return today at DePaul in their game versus Cooley & Company. They reported 6364 at last game, which is a big number for them.
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The Hall wins by 16.
Seton Hall are a team of low class punks.
Can't wait for our game against those jerks.
I’m not. @Seton Hall is going to be rough. That is a top 5-8 team with Mamu. Theyre really good and we don’t seem to respond well to that sort of toughness in recent years.
Rooting for Creighton today. That’s a legit top 20 team and I want them to get there. It’s a joke only 2 BE teams ranked when it’s definitely top to bottom best conference this season. A Creighton win today should shoot them up. I know rankings don’t matter, but it’s still nice to see.
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I’m not. @Seton Hall is going to be rough. That is a top 5-8 team with Mamu. Theyre really good and we don’t seem to respond well to that sort of toughness in recent years.
Rooting for Creighton today. That’s a legit top 20 team and I want them to get there. It’s a joke only 2 BE teams ranked when it’s definitely top to bottom best conference this season. A Creighton win today should shoot them up. I know rankings don’t matter, but it’s still nice to see.
Derek Smits is doing well so far in the early going. Butler up 16-12. 9:29 left first
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Butler 34 Creighton 24 half. Loud environment at Butler.
Kamar Baldwin in a bad multi game slump. 0-9 so far today.
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Butler up 9 4:52 left. Creighton putting up a spirited battle on the road.
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Good win for Butler. Ran away at the end. Kamar worked his way out of slump in second half with 20 points.
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Kamar worked his way out of slump in second half with 20 points.
Bruh. He shot 7/22 and only 1/8 from deep. 34.1% eFG%. Dude can't shoot well. Yuck.
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Questionable foul call at end on DePaul. Cooley & Company sneak out of Wintrust with a road win 66-65
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DePaul gonna DePaul
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DePaul is going to finish last. I never want to see anything about DePaul before February.
This is just what they are - conference ballast.
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What sucks is it'd be better for the conference if DePaul was solid and Providence won 2 or less BE games.
Not going to work that way, though.
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What sucks is it'd be better for the conference if DePaul was solid and Providence won 2 or less BE games.
Not going to work that way, though.
Why?
And we really need to get HC a partner so he/she can get out of the house and off the internet incessantly.
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Why?
And we really need to get HC a partner so he/she can get out of the house and off the internet incessantly.
Because their non-con was absolutely terrible which made all of their rankings terrible, so anytime they’re beating a team in the BE that team’s resume is taking a hit. And they need a lot more BE wins for an NCAA Tournament at large bid than any other BE team due to their terrible non-con.
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Because their non-con was absolutely terrible which made all of their rankings terrible, so anytime they’re beating a team in the BE that team’s resume is taking a hit. And they need a lot more BE wins for an NCAA Tournament at large bid than any other BE team due to their terrible non-con.
Yeah...no. See this post:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59344.msg1188021#msg1188021
Despite DePaul's good non-con record, numbers say DePaul and Providence are doormats of the BE. They can beat up each other and it doesn't matter.
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Yeah...no. See this post:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59344.msg1188021#msg1188021
Despite DePaul's good non-con record, numbers say DePaul and Providence are doormats of the BE. They can beat up each other and it doesn't matter.
Yeah DePaul is about 40 spots higher. They are much closer to the “middle of the pack” than they are to Providence.
I’d also put my money on Georgetown finishing below DePaul. So if DePaul finishes with the 7th or 8th best NET/KenPom ranking in the BE it would’ve been helpful for them to beat Providence given that the BE could get 7 teams into the Tournament if the 2 or 3 worst teams lose a lot of games, giving everyone else more wins.
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Villanova held to 60 points, only at Ohio State and home vs Kansas has Nova been held lower this year.
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Selected Research Reports for Todays Johnnies at X game today at 4:30 EST.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/04/mustapha-heron-making-st-johns-return-at-critical-time/
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/04/after-villanova-loss-xavier-welcomes-st-johns-heres-what-watch/2795143001/
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Quality home win for X today over The Johnnies. Interesting balance to the league. 3 2-0 teams 4 1-1 teams and 3 0-2 teams
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Quality home win for X today over The Johnnies. Interesting balance to the league. 3 2-0 teams 4 1-1 teams and 3 0-2 teams
Providence had a lucky draw for their 2-0 start. Hopefully I don't have to eat my words on Tue...
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I know it’s not BE, but I love this kid McKinley Wright for Colorado. He was Theo’s teammate. Pass first point guard. Playing on ESPN U right now. Every decision he makes is within the construct of the team. Fun to watch.
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Quality home win for X today over The Johnnies. Interesting balance to the league. 3 2-0 teams 4 1-1 teams and 3 0-2 teams
Both teams seemed to be similar. Better athletes than shooters. Better defense than offense. Better drivers than shooters.
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Both teams seemed to be similar. Better athletes than shooters. Better defense than offense. Better drivers than shooters.
I think both are going to be tough opponents for MU.
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I know it’s not BE, but I love this kid McKinley Wright for Colorado. He was Theo’s teammate. Pass first point guard. Playing on ESPN U right now. Every decision he makes is within the construct of the team. Fun to watch.
I think we were in pretty early on on him, but for whatever reason we’re not much of a factor later in his recruitment.
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I know it’s not BE, but I love this kid McKinley Wright for Colorado. He was Theo’s teammate. Pass first point guard. Playing on ESPN U right now. Every decision he makes is within the construct of the team. Fun to watch.
Daytom fans very sad to watch him have success
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/05/ncaa-basketball-xavier-defeats-st-johns-big-east-action/2818710001/
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I know it’s not BE, but I love this kid McKinley Wright for Colorado. He was Theo’s teammate. Pass first point guard. Playing on ESPN U right now. Every decision he makes is within the construct of the team. Fun to watch.
He really is good. Saw him carry Colorado to a win over a very good Dayton team in Chicago a couple weeks ago. He is relentless and skilled. Ironically, he had committed to Dayton before Archie left for I4.
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Both teams seemed to be similar. Better athletes than shooters. Better defense than offense. Better drivers than shooters.
X really has been struggling with shooting. Goodin really struggles. Somewhat surprising he really has never been able to develop a consistent shot. A lot of games have been a grind for X due to their difficulty scoring despite all that athleticism.
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Excellent research report on Cooley & Company win over DePaul
http://friarbasketball.com/2020/01/04/maliek-white-emmitt-holt-key-providence-beats-depaul/
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/05/ncaa-basketball-xavier-defeats-st-johns-big-east-action/2818710001/
Updated story with more quotes from Coach Steele
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/05/ncaa-basketball-xavier-defeats-st-johns-big-east-action/2818710001/
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I think both are going to be tough opponents for MU.
I think every BEast opponent is going to be tough for MU. And I expect us to vanquish a lot of them anyway.
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So now that people have seen a few of the early season games, how do you think Marquette matches up. Just based on the eye test. I haven't had a chance to see a lot of other big east games so I would appreciate the takes of those who have.
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https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/1/6/21052037/villanova-wildcats-basketball-vs-creighton-game-preview
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Creighton 20 Nova 8 8:18 left first
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41-33 Creighton 15:36 left second. Classic Creighton moving the ball and running the floor. Fun game to watch.
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Creighton up 8 11:18 left second.
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Nova up 3 1:56 left. Super Loud crowd in Omaha.
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Villanova once down by 14, will walk out with a win.
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Villanova once down by 14, will walk out with a win.
Go on a roll after a Jay Wright technical with 7 and change left.
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Nova wins by 5 on the road at Creighton.
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Nova wins by 5 on the road at Creighton.
Well coached teams pull it out on the road by staying focused on what they do best.
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Well coached teams pull it out on the road by staying focused on what they do best.
U Kidding Me? Wright couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
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http://friarbasketball.com/2020/01/08/friars-win-overtime-thriller-marquette/
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U Kidding Me? Wright couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
Ah, so that’s where the Wojo to Wright comparisons come from!
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Ah, so that’s where the Wojo to Wright comparisons come from!
Some people just don't, or refuse to get it.
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Ewing & Associates up 18-7 over The Johnnies 11:45 first
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Ewing & Associates blowing out The Johnnies 53-26 Halftime
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and people here were saying the BE would get NINE teams into the Big Dance? LOL.
Six, at the most. Neither of these teams will be one of them.
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and people here were saying the BE would get NINE teams into the Big Dance? LOL.
Six, at the most. Neither of these teams will be one of them.
Could they get 9 teams into the post season? #NIT
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Ewing & Associates route The Johnnies by 21 . Hoyas 14-1 against The Johnnies since 2004.
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Ewing & Associates route The Johnnies by 21 . Hoyas 14-1 against The Johnnies since 2004.
21-10, but it's pretty much the same, right?
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The Hall up 23-16 Over X 7:49 first.
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Big road win for The Hall over X tonight.
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and people here were saying the BE would get NINE teams into the Big Dance? LOL.
Six, at the most. Neither of these teams will be one of them.
7 is possible
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7 is possible
Nova, Hall, X, Creighton, MU, Butler - locks to highly likely
Bubble: PC (work to do)
Highly Unlikely: DePaul, STJ, G-town
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Nova, Hall, X, Creighton, MU, Butler - locks to highly likely
Bubble: PC (work to do)
Highly Unlikely: DePaul, STJ, G-town
Not so sure Mu is a lock or highly likely, I'd have them on the bubble
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Not so sure Mu is a lock or highly likely, I'd have them on the bubble
I wouldn't even have MU as a lock for the NIT right now, but that's just me being conservative. From what I saw last night, it's going to be difficult to win on the road. There aren't any easy games for MU on the road this year.
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Nova, Hall, X, Creighton, MU, Butler - locks to highly likely
Bubble: PC (work to do)
Highly Unlikely: DePaul, STJ, G-town
We’re 1-2 to start conference play and none of our non-con wins will be worth a damn at year’s end. That doesn’t exactly scream “lock to highly likely” to me.
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https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2020/01/08/seton-hall-xavier-basketball/2807099001/
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https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2020/1/8/21057729/st-johns-ran-out-of-georgetown-87-66
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Nova, Hall, X, Creighton, MU, Butler - locks to highly likely
Bubble: PC (work to do)
Highly Unlikely: DePaul, STJ, G-town
Providence has started nicely, but DePaul and St. John's are still well ahead of them. Better wins and lower quantity of bad losses.
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Providence has started nicely, but DePaul and St. John's are still well ahead of them. Better wins and lower quantity of bad losses.
As far as resumes are concerned, you are correct, but I think Providence will finish ahead of Georgetown, St Johns and DePaul at least in the Big East standings.
Based on what I've seen, I'd rate the teams Butler, Seton Hall, Villanova, Creighton, Marquette/Providence/Xavier, DePaul/Georgetown/St Johns. But after Villanova the remaining seven aren't that far apart so standings could be anything, and frankly, Villanova nd Seton Hall aren't head and shoulders above the rest of the conference either. Think there's going to be a lot of teams between 11-7 and 7-11 this year.
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As far as resumes are concerned, you are correct, but I think Providence will finish ahead of Georgetown, St Johns and DePaul at least in the Big East standings.
Based on what I've seen, I'd rate the teams Butler, Seton Hall, Villanova, Creighton, Marquette/Providence/Xavier, DePaul/Georgetown/St Johns. But after Villanova the remaining seven aren't that far apart so standings could be anything, and frankly, Villanova nd Seton Hall aren't head and shoulders above the rest of the conference either. Think there's going to be a lot of teams between 11-7 and 7-11 this year.
Yep. Kenpom currently has MU projected for 9-9. 9-9 is projected to be T4 in the conference with Providence, behind Butler, SHU and Nova. The remaining 5 teams are projected 8-10 or worse.
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I wouldn't even have MU as a lock for the NIT right now, but that's just me being conservative. From what I saw last night, it's going to be difficult to win on the road. There aren't any easy games for MU on the road this year.
The fact that every night is a question mark or up for grabs says more about Wojo than supposed parity within the league. We should get an NIT bid, at least but March is a long ways off.
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As far as resumes are concerned, you are correct, but I think Providence will finish ahead of Georgetown, St Johns and DePaul at least in the Big East standings.
Based on what I've seen, I'd rate the teams Butler, Seton Hall, Villanova, Creighton, Marquette/Providence/Xavier, DePaul/Georgetown/St Johns. But after Villanova the remaining seven aren't that far apart so standings could be anything, and frankly, Villanova nd Seton Hall aren't head and shoulders above the rest of the conference either. Think there's going to be a lot of teams between 11-7 and 7-11 this year.
Entirely possible, but if Providence is 10-8 that still only gets them to 17-14. By contrast, DePaul at 8-10 would get to 20-11 and St. John's at 8-10 would get to 19-12. Granted, record isn't all that matters, but both DePaul and St. John's have significantly better non-con wins already on the resume and victories against Iowa, Minnesota, Texas Tech, Arizona, and West Virginia look likely to only get better as the season goes on.
Providence has a really big uphill climb. Yes, there are quality wins to be had, but they have tied a serious anchor around their leg with their non-con losses and their best win (Texas) is pretty mediocre.
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Entirely possible, but if Providence is 10-8 that still only gets them to 17-14. By contrast, DePaul at 8-10 would get to 20-11 and St. John's at 8-10 would get to 19-12. Granted, record isn't all that matters, but both DePaul and St. John's have significantly better non-con wins already on the resume and victories against Iowa, Minnesota, Texas Tech, Arizona, and West Virginia look likely to only get better as the season goes on.
Providence has a really big uphill climb. Yes, there are quality wins to be had, but they have tied a serious anchor around their leg with their non-con losses and their best win (Texas) is pretty mediocre.
Yup, you are right. I was referring strictly to the Big East standings, not the NCAA tournament chances. This was probably the wrong thread for that post.
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Yup, you are right. I was referring strictly to the Big East standings, not the NCAA tournament chances. This was probably the wrong thread for that post.
Honestly, the whole league is a mess. Butler is the only team I trust, which is shocking because I'm still not a Kamar Baldwin fan. Creighton can look like world-beaters, but squandered that 'Nova lead and got hammered by SDSU (who is good, but not beat you by 31 good). Villanova can play with anyone on their day, but have also looked really vulnerable at times (OSU, at Marquette). And while people like Seton Hall, when they have been at their best, they still lost (MSU, Oregon) and they have played way too close to teams they should beat comfortably.
I agree that much of the league will end up in that 7-11 to 11-7 range. It wouldn't surprise me if 12 games won the league outright.
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Creighton was impressive coming back the next night in beating Texas Tech after getting hammered by San Diego State. Also, followed that up with wins over Nebraska, Oklahoma and Arizona State.
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Creighton was impressive coming back the next night in beating Texas Tech after getting hammered by San Diego State. Also, followed that up with wins over Nebraska, Oklahoma and Arizona State.
I mean, they're a tourney team, sure, but would anyone put money on them being a second weekend team? In the same boat as us and just about the entire league not named Butler.
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I mean, they're a tourney team, sure, but would anyone put money on them being a second weekend team? In the same boat as us and just about the entire league not named Butler.
I believe it's been since 1975 they been a 2nd weekend team. I would not bet on it that the streak will end to answer your question.
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I mean, they're a tourney team, sure, but would anyone put money on them being a second weekend team?
#crapshoot
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I believe it's been since 1975 they been a 2nd weekend team. I would not bet on it that the streak will end to answer your question.
The league is really strong in the middle and bottom, but I'm not sure how strong it really is at the top. Butler seems to be legit, especially with their 1-point loss at Baylor (maybe their most impressive performance). But after them, I think anyone in the league could make the field, anyone could make a second weekend, anyone could just as easily lose their first game.
It's the classic knock people have against our league. When it comes to advancing, we're Villanova and no one else. All of these teams are really talented, but until we have one of those years where we place 4 teams in the Sweet 16 and 2 in the Final Four, we won't get the same respect leagues like the Big 10 and ACC get (deserved or not). Maybe it's my lack of confidence in this Marquette team's inconsistency that is permeating to my impression of the entire league, but this feels an awful lot like 2017 where we had 7 bids but the only teams that made the second weekend were a Butler team that beat a 13 and 12 to get there and the lowest-seeded team in the league, Xavier, somehow lucking into an Elite 8 by beating the worst (per Pomeroy) 6, worst 3 and worst 2 to get there before Gonzaga beat them like a drum.
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The league is really strong in the middle and bottom, but I'm not sure how strong it really is at the top. Butler seems to be legit, especially with their 1-point loss at Baylor (maybe their most impressive performance). But after them, I think anyone in the league could make the field, anyone could make a second weekend, anyone could just as easily lose their first game.
It's the classic knock people have against our league. When it comes to advancing, we're Villanova and no one else. All of these teams are really talented, but until we have one of those years where we place 4 teams in the Sweet 16 and 2 in the Final Four, we won't get the same respect leagues like the Big 10 and ACC get (deserved or not). Maybe it's my lack of confidence in this Marquette team's inconsistency that is permeating to my impression of the entire league, but this feels an awful lot like 2017 where we had 7 bids but the only teams that made the second weekend were a Butler team that beat a 13 and 12 to get there and the lowest-seeded team in the league, Xavier, somehow lucking into an Elite 8 by beating the worst (per Pomeroy) 6, worst 3 and worst 2 to get there before Gonzaga beat them like a drum.
That's parity folks.
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The league is really strong in the middle and bottom, but I'm not sure how strong it really is at the top. Butler seems to be legit, especially with their 1-point loss at Baylor (maybe their most impressive performance). But after them, I think anyone in the league could make the field, anyone could make a second weekend, anyone could just as easily lose their first game.
It's the classic knock people have against our league. When it comes to advancing, we're Villanova and no one else. All of these teams are really talented, but until we have one of those years where we place 4 teams in the Sweet 16 and 2 in the Final Four, we won't get the same respect leagues like the Big 10 and ACC get (deserved or not). Maybe it's my lack of confidence in this Marquette team's inconsistency that is permeating to my impression of the entire league, but this feels an awful lot like 2017 where we had 7 bids but the only teams that made the second weekend were a Butler team that beat a 13 and 12 to get there and the lowest-seeded team in the league, Xavier, somehow lucking into an Elite 8 by beating the worst (per Pomeroy) 6, worst 3 and worst 2 to get there before Gonzaga beat them like a drum.
The tournament is a crapshot, so I wouldn't read too much in 2017. But there are 10 teams in this league that could play 2nd weekend in ncaa tournament. Not saying all 10 will get there, obviously. The ACC is down. The SEC is down. The Pac12 is the Pac12. Big Ten is deep, similar to the BE in that there are no easy games outside of NW. B12 isn't as good as it has been. No great teams. Markus is the type of guy that could go bonkers in a setting like that. But he needs help.
Big East is legit. Going 9-9 is going to be tough, but I think they can do it. With our noncon, that'll be plenty good for a 10 seed. It just sucks with where we all hoped we'd be this season. I expect this place to be unbearable when we lose on Saturday. Still think we can get to 9-9, @SHU was always going to be a loss.
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What do you mean always going to be a loss. Very possible to pull out a win. Likely ? No. 40%ish? Sure
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What do you mean always going to be a loss. Very possible to pull out a win. Likely ? No. 40%ish? Sure
I mean that I have very little expectation for a win. Even before PC. Of course MU CAN win. But they should be at least 5 points dogs, against a team that is tougher than nails - a trait MU has struggled against for years - on the road over the weekend. Just don't see a W as a likely scenario....but many here will act like the season is over when it happens.
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I mean that I have very little expectation for a win. Even before PC. Of course MU CAN win. But they should be at least 5 points dogs, against a team that is tougher than nails - a trait MU has struggled against for years - on the road over the weekend. Just don't see a W as a likely scenario....but many here will act like the season is over when it happens.
Think MU will play them tough but ultimately lose. We get them in a good spot after a nice road win and before an away game at Butler.
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Butler 55 Cooley & Company 44 448 lett
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If Marquette can steal one at SH tomorrow and then go on a little run beating X at home then GTown road and StJs at home, the Butler game at their place might be not be too critical. Even 3-1 in that stretch gets Marquette above .500 before the Butler battle. And who knows....... Butler has a tough road game with Villanova right before playing us, and we have a beatable DePaul team at home.
My eternal optimist is is high gear tonight.
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Preview DePaul and The Johnnies
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2020/1/10/21060893/st-johns-vs-depaul-blue-demons-how-to-watch-scouting-preview
Preview Creighton and X
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/10/xavier-university-musketeers-college-basketball-avoid-1-3-big-east-start-against-creighton-bluejays/4430995002/
Preview Georgetown and Nova
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-wildcats-big-east-contest-georgetown-hoyas-coach-jay-wright-patrick-ewing-20200110.html
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Butler 55 Cooley & Company 44 448 lett
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Butler had little trouble at Providence, getting out to a double digit lead early and winning by double digits.
Glass eaters. 44-26 on the boards.
Providence missed its first 13 shots and shot poorly. The closest they were able to make the game was 8 after being down by 12 at half.
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Four games today. See the schedule thread pinned at the top.
Two games on right now. One on FS1 and the other on your local FSN station.
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If Marquette can steal one at SH tomorrow and then go on a little run beating X at home then GTown road and StJs at home, the Butler game at their place might be not be too critical. Even 3-1 in that stretch gets Marquette above .500 before the Butler battle. And who knows....... Butler has a tough road game with Villanova right before playing us, and we have a beatable DePaul team at home.
My eternal optimist is is high gear tonight.
big IF
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big IF
Yeah, hence the comment at the end.
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A lot of value is placed on a tournament where one game determines the result. I'd rather MU become a competitive team during the conference season every year than have one win in the NCAA tournament but the regular season is bad.
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Johnnies up 66-54 7 minutes left second
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Assuming we aren't going to compete for the conference title, which seems likely, every Nova win is a good one for us.
Nova takes care of Georgetown at home.
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Assuming we aren't going to compete for the conference title, which seems likely, every Nova win is a good one for us.
Nova takes care of Georgetown at home.
After the PC game I'll take any bit of positive news I can get.
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500th career win for McDermott, good road win for Creighton over X
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/11/what-does-xavier-basketball-team-do-now-cincinnati/4441568002/
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Selected Big East Research Reports
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/13/21063002/no-way-out-but-through-xavier-big-east-basketball
https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/1/13/21063480/villanova-basketball-arizin-news-wildcats-depaul
https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-men-s-basketball-returns-to-ap-poll-for-first/article_95c22eb8-73cb-5263-8771-9162c6eb8e14.html
http://friarbasketball.com/2020/01/11/butler-built-winner/
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/no-14-villanova-looks-to-extend-dominance-over-depaul/
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1/13 Team Sheets
MU on page 42
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2013,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
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DePaul leading #14 Villanova 25-14 on FS1.
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DePaul leading #14 Villanova 25-14 on FS1.
DePaul played Nova tough last year.
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DePaul played Nova tough last year.
I remember watching it.
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DePaul leading #14 Villanova 25-14 on FS1.
Nova closed out the first half well, but DePaul is sticking around early in the second half.
And that walk on from DePaul is still getting way too much air time.
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Tied 43 13:03 left second
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Nova up 9 7:58 left. Beautiful team work , fun to watch .
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66-62 Nova 1:07 left. Charlie Moore and Paul Reed rally the Blue Demons back .
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Overtime
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Nova completely fell apart down the stretch......turnover after turnover......blew and 11 point lead with 2 minutes to go.
Headed to OT
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Apparently it's tough for Jay Wright's crew to make passes, free throws and open shots with both hands around their throats. Blew a double-digit lead at home to DePaul in a couple minutes.
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Apparently it's tough for Jay Wright's crew to make passes, free throws and open shots with both hands around their throats. Blew a double-digit lead at home to DePaul in a couple minutes.
I can't believe they threw it away with less tan 30 seconds to play. That's not the kind of thing I've come to expect from Villanova.
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Tough loss for DePaul.
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Jay fouls twice up three with 6 seconds to go. Worked...twice.
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Tough loss for DePaul.
When DePaul beats us it is going to be Armageddon here.
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When DePaul beats us it is going to be Armageddon here.
IF Depaul beats us...have faith
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https://nypost.com/2020/01/14/surging-seton-hall-prepares-for-huge-no-5-butler-challenge/
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IF Depaul beats us...have faith
I think it will happen, they have been so close. I also think we get a win that blows people away...like Butler.
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https://nypost.com/2020/01/14/st-johns-rewarding-spark-plug-rasheem-dunn-with-another-start/
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Cheeks
I think Butler goes down hard tonight to SH. I think Butler is a very, very beatable team.
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DePaul is showing signs of being a legitimately good team.
And yet in the only measure that really matters, they still are a very familiar 0-4.
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IF Depaul beats us...have faith
DePaul will beat Wojo. Book it.
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DePaul is showing signs of being a legitimately good team.
And yet in the only measure that really matters, they still are a very familiar 0-4.
Depaul will always be an also-ran with no legit success until that rec-spec'd attention whore clown is off the end of their bench.
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Jay fouls twice up three with 6 seconds to go. Worked...twice.
Not sure it should have, though. Charlie Moore probably should have been shooting 3 at the end.
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Not sure it should have, though. Charlie Moore probably should have been shooting 3 at the end.
I don't think he should have gotten 3 FTs, but it was very close, and it's just the kind of thing that can backfire.
I personally like fouling if the situation presents, but Majerus, Calipari and others who were/are pretty successful coaches do not.
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I don't think he should have gotten 3 FTs, but it was very close, and it's just the kind of thing that can backfire.
I personally like fouling if the situation presents, but Majerus, Calipari and others who were/are pretty successful coaches do not.
I'm actually in favor of fouling up 3. I wouldn't have done it in that situation, though. If the team has to settle for a half court shot I don't think that's the right time.
I'm getting off topic though so I will shut up.
4 big games tonight. Seton Hall-Butler with the winner having a leg up in the title race.
Providence has a chance to keep pushing towards an at large. Can't lose to SJU tonight.
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https://depauliaonline.com/45426/sports/depauls-upset-bid-falls-short-in-overtime-against-villanova/
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Said the same thing post Providence. A player is going to flail their arms and try to get that call, the refs will almost never give it. Good coaching by Wright, good execution by Bey.
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The Hall 12 Butler 7 15:55 left first
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7-0 run by Butler. Hinkle is going wild!
17-15 Seton Hall on FS1.
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The Hall 17 Butler 15 12:29 left first . Very energetic crowd at Butler.
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Butler 25 The Hall 24 7:55 left. Typical Big East Battle.
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40-30 Butler Halftime. Butler moves the ball so well.
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Creighton 20 Georgetown 16 10;45 left first
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Ewing & Associates up 2 7:15 left first
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The Hall with a quality win on the road over Butler. They played well down the stretch.
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The Hall with a quality win on the road over Butler. They played well down the stretch.
Not just down the stretch. They dropped 50 in the second half. Arguably best half of basketball the program has had in a decade.
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Solid win for Ewing & Associates . Hold serve at home.
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We need an autocorrect for & Associates.
Make it happen.
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The Johnnies up 39-38 in a hard fought battle with Cooley & Company. 13:10 left second.
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So Seton Hall wins at Butler......they are good.....in case people didn’t know.
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Solid win tonight for Cooley & Company. Friars making up for the lousy non conference season.
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Horrible shot by Heron coming out of a time-out with 7 seconds left.
You KNOW that wasn't what Anderson drew up.
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Horrible shot by Heron coming out of a time-out with 7 seconds left.
You KNOW that wasn't what Anderson drew up.
They showed a close up of Anderson grimacing after that shot. Kids will be kids.
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MuMark
I believe SH is by far the best in class of the BE. Butler and Nova are decent, but not world beaters IMO. It will be interesting to see who of the remaining seven ends up standing out.
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Seton Hall and Butler may not be world beaters but this year they may be good enough to get to the final four with some luck. There are no truly great teams this year in any league.
I think the size of Seton Hall makes them versatile enough to beat anyone, especially when they get their second best player back. Butler just gets the job done somehow. That Baylor one point loss is looking more impressive by the day. They’ve essentially lost to two of the best teams in the country and did not get rolled in either one of them.
Going to the MU/Butler game with the family. Could see us getting blown out but hoping we are on a roll going into that game.
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https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2020/01/16/seton-hall-basketball-butler/4486790002/
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2020/01/15/myles-powell-pushes-no-18-
seton-hall-past-no-5-butler-big-east-showdown/4483979002/
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Just starting........
18 Seton Hall @ St. John's, 11:00, FOX - Tim Brando, Jim Spanarkel
Line: Seton Hall -4.5
Connecticut @ 14 Villanova, 11:00, FS1 -Brian Custer and Len Elmore
Line: Villanova -9.5
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MuMark
I believe SH is by far the best in class of the BE. Butler and Nova are decent, but not world beaters IMO. It will be interesting to see who of the remaining seven ends up standing out.
Agree on Nova. I think Butler is a legit top 10 team this year, though.
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I think Butler goes down again today.
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UConn and Villanova tied at 33 on FS1.
DePaul up early on Butler 10-2 on FSN.
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UConn 51 Villanova 49
4 minutes left.
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St. John’s up 1 with 4:26 left
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Nova survives
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Nova survives
Good game. Nova’s AP ranking inflated over their reality. Will be fun to have UCONN in Big East.
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DePaul kicking Butlers ass by 10 at halftime. They want Wojo badly.
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I think Butler goes down again today.
Good call.
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Solid win for Nova. Depaul getting a win at home was not surprising. Good road win The Hall.
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Solid win for Nova. Depaul getting a win at home was not surprising. Good road win The Hall.
That DePaul win was a little surprising.
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That DePaul win was a little surprising.
Wait till they surprise our ass.
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Villanova U Conn game had a Big East feel to it .
https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-uconn-men-villanova-20200119-20200118-svgvgzip3jddvn6t3ythyp3iey-story.html
https://www.inquirer.com/sports/columnists/villanova-uconn-big-east-20200118.html
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Villanova U Conn game had a Big East feel to it .
https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-uconn-men-villanova-20200119-20200118-svgvgzip3jddvn6t3ythyp3iey-story.html
https://www.inquirer.com/sports/columnists/villanova-uconn-big-east-20200118.html
Very bold proclamation by Hurley in the Courant story. We’ll see if he can back it up.
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Very bold proclamation by Hurley in the Courant story. We’ll see if he can back it up.
Jim Harbaughesque
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Very bold proclamation by Hurley in the Courant story. We’ll see if he can back it up.
Very bold. Like the swag. Do think he’s a good coach and will have UCONN back in the National conversation sooner than later. Good for the league.
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Very bold. Like the swag.
I'm sure #243 St. Josephs was happy to "get [them] now" when they went on the road an clubbed UConn by 9.
Swagger is great, but as we've been reminded here repeatedly, results matter.
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I'm sure #243 St. Josephs was happy to "get [them] now" when they went on the road an clubbed UConn by 9.
Swagger is great, but as we've been reminded here repeatedly, results matter.
Funny about St. Joes. Results do matter most..yet it seems such that the best coaches frequently also have a degree of swag/charisma..aside from Mark Few.
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I'm sure #243 St. Josephs was happy to "get [them] now" when they went on the road an clubbed UConn by 9.
Swagger is great, but as we've been reminded here repeatedly, results matter.
UCONN is 11th in the AAC. It’s great that Hurley can get wired up, but do it this year on the floor in a middling conference. In swimming, there is a saying: Let your bubbles do your talking.
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Funny about St. Joes. Results do matter most..yet it seems such that the best coaches frequently also have a degree of swag/charisma..aside from Mark Few.
Look up "swag" in the dictionary and there are side-by-side photos of Coach K and Roy Williams.
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Look up "swag" in the dictionary and there are side-by-side photos of Coach K and Roy Williams.
Lol that’s exactly what I was thinking. Tony Bennett, incredible amount of swag.
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UCONN is 11th in the AAC. It’s great that Hurley can get wired up, but do it this year on the floor in a middling conference. In swimming, there is a saying: Let your bubbles do your talking.
All of Hurley's bubbles are from him farting in the water this year
uCONN blows
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Wait till they surprise our ass.
Wouldn't surprise me. LOL
The last place team in the conference handling one of the top teams in the conference the way DePaul did IS a little surprising and does change my calculations for how Marquette will get the wins it need to make the tournament. It looks like beating Butler and losing to DePaul is a more likely scenario than I previously imagined.
Surprising!
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Lol that’s exactly what I was thinking. Tony Bennett, incredible amount of swag.
Perhaps you missed the mention of charisma...
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Funny about St. Joes. Results do matter most..yet it seems such that the best coaches frequently also have a degree of swag/charisma..aside from Mark Few.
Hmmm...I’m not sure I would call K a guy that calls out other teams like Hurley. Or Brad Stevens. Or Jay Wright. Or Andy Reid. Could go on and on.
Some do, some do not.
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Lol that’s exactly what I was thinking. Tony Bennett, incredible amount of swag.
Hence the nickname Swaggy Iz at Michigan State.
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Selected articles on The Hall versus Johnnies game
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/18/myles-powell-carries-seton-hall-over-st-johns-in-msg-thriller/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.app.com/amp/4487860002
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Selected articles on Cooley & Company at Creighton. Was a good game.
https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-men-hit-a--pointer-and-a-free-throw/article_75ea9c13-0e68-594b-b9cc-b02511fd36e7.html
http://friarbasketball.com/2020/01/19/friars-lose-heartbreaker-omaha/
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Fan Base a little nervous at Xavier.....
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/16/21068809/what-you-should-and-shouldnt-be-freaking-out-about-xavier-basketball
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Fan Base a little nervous at Xavier.....
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/16/21068809/what-you-should-and-shouldnt-be-freaking-out-about-xavier-basketball
They're going nuts on their message board
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And that NEVER happens here !? ! ? ! 8-)
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And that NEVER happens here !? ! ? ! 8-)
Nah this place is a safe haven of calm patient and reasonable people
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Thanks.
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They're going nuts on their message board
21,000 page views on the Fire Travis thread.
They loved him after he beat Cincy.......talk about short lease lol
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21,000 page views on the Fire Travis thread.
They loved him after he beat Cincy.......talk about short lease lol
Not so long ago certain some here were hailing the job Steele was doing at Xavier and how he already was outperforming Wojo.
Life comes at you fast.
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Not so long ago certain some here were hailing the job Steele was doing at Xavier and how he already was outperforming Wojo.
Life comes at you fast.
Oh yes... I do remember that.
Bad enough that Travis Steele at Xavier... [is] seemingly outperforming Wojo in year two
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-wildcats-butler-bulldogs-big-east-conference-reconfiguration-only-nova-loss-20200120.html%3FoutputType%3Damp
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Not so long ago certain some here were hailing the job Steele was doing at Xavier and how he already was outperforming Wojo.
Life comes at you fast.
Oh yes... I do remember that.
Lol. "Life comes at you fast."
We finished 97th in Year 2 of Wojo. Xavier currently at 58 in Ken Pom. Let me know if you two would like to place any bets. I've got Xavier under 97, you guys can have the over.
I look forward to your proposed wagers coming at me fast. nh (So lame, btw JayBee.)
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Lol. "Life comes at you fast."
We finished 97th in Year 2 of Wojo. Xavier currently at 58 in Ken Pom. Let me know if you two would like to place any bets. I've got Xavier under 97, you guys can have the over.
I look forward to your proposed wagers coming at me fast. nh (So lame, btw JayBee.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5u7yZiV3bI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5u7yZiV3bI)
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Not everyone was touting Steele. I voiced my concern over their ability to remain at the same level. It gets tough when new coaches come in, especially after following the success the previous coaches have had at X. They looked down to me last year and even further down this season. I will be keeping an eye on how much rope is given there.
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Lol. "Life comes at you fast."
We finished 97th in Year 2 of Wojo. Xavier currently at 58 in Ken Pom. Let me know if you two would like to place any bets. I've got Xavier under 97, you guys can have the over.
I look forward to your proposed wagers coming at me fast. nh (So lame, btw JayBee.)
Moving goalposts.
You didn't write" Steele's year 2 is better than Wojo's year 2."
You wrote that Steele in year two of his tenure is outperforming Wojo.
I mean, who cares about comparing one guy's second year against another guy's second year? Nobody.
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Moving goalposts.
You didn't write" Steele's year 2 is better than Wojo's year 2."
You wrote that Steele in year two of his tenure is outperforming Wojo.
I mean, who cares about comparing one guy's second year against another guy's second year? Nobody.
Yep. What I thought. Want nothing to do with that wager.
And for what it’s worth, at the time of that post, Xavier was rated higher than us...which was embarrassing considering their respective time on the job.
Guess their fanbase has higher expectations than we do, because they want him fired halfway through Year 2 as they sit at 58.
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Yep. What I thought. Want nothing to do with that wager.
And for what it’s worth, at the time of that post, Xavier was rated higher than us...which was embarrassing considering their respective time on the job.
Guess their fanbase has higher expectations than we do, because they want him fired halfway through Year 2 as they sit at 58.
You are correct, I want no part of your dumb wager.
Which has nothing at all to do with the fact your previous comment is proving to be wrong. Steele is not outperforming Wojo (and certainly not six days ago).
Xavier sits at 58 after opening the season at 18. Might explain some of the angst.
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Who do we want to win, Butler or Nova?
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Who do we want to win, Butler or Nova?
Butler. Don't want them too hungry when we play them. Also a strong Butler is good for the league. Have a reasonable confidence Nova will continue to be solid.
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If year 2 Wojo was being compared to year 8 McDermott, year 7 Cooley, and year 11 Wright, why shouldn't year 2 Steele be compared to year 6 Wojo?
If we're going to compare year 2 Wojo to year 2 Steele, it should be worth noting that year 2 Steele has 4 of Mack's recruits as upperclassmen that all tested the NBA waters last year as well as the top recruiting class of 2019 in the conference, while year 2 Wojo was led by a Freshman (although a very good one), and the only Senior was one of the walk-ons.
Wojo missed the postseason altogether and right now Steele is on the wrong side of the bubble (per bracketmatrix) and looking at another NIT. Given the relative strengths of their respective rosters, I would say that those accomplishments (or lack thereof) are about the same. Steele is in his second year as a HC, I expect him to get better the same way Wojo has gotten better since year 2.
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You are correct, I want no part of your dumb wager.
Which has nothing at all to do with the fact your previous comment is proving to be wrong. Steele is not outperforming Wojo (and certainly not six days ago).
Xavier sits at 58 after opening the season at 18. Might explain some of the angst.
Guess you like to compare apples to oranges. Thanks proving my point.
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Nova wins big tonight.
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Guess you like to compare apples to oranges. Thanks proving my point.
Five of Marquette's top 7 players that year were freshmen. Another was a sophomore.
Six of Xavier's top 7 this year are upperclassmen. The lone underclassman is playing 15 mpg.
Marquette was projected to finish 6th in the conference that year. They finished 7th.
Xavier was projected to finish 3rd in the conference this year. They sit 8th.
Apples to apples, right?
But again, this is an excercise in futility because it isn't what you wrote back then. You just shifted the goalposts when your initial post started to look silly.
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I have watched a lot of Xavier games this year (for obvious reasons) and the worst I saw them play was against us. They've looked better than their 1-4 BE record.
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I have watched a lot of Xavier games this year (for obvious reasons) and the worst I saw them play was against us. They've looked better than their 1-4 BE record.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/15/college-basketball-xavier-fall-big-east-foe-marquette/4476393002/
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I have watched a lot of Xavier games this year (for obvious reasons) and the worst I saw them play was against us. They've looked better than their 1-4 BE record.
Things can spiral for you quickly in this league. X and MU were in same spot a week ago.
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Butler 8 Nova 2 15:09 left first
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Lol. "Life comes at you fast."
We finished 97th in Year 2 of Wojo. Xavier currently at 58 in Ken Pom. Let me know if you two would like to place any bets. I've got Xavier under 97, you guys can have the over.
I look forward to your proposed wagers coming at me fast. nh (So lame, btw JayBee.)
No, you’re shifting goalposts. You were commenting (as is clear by the Dayton comments before X) that Xavier was going to better than us this year, even though Steele is a pup in the new gig. Happy to entertain that bet.
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Guess you like to compare apples to oranges. Thanks proving my point.
Multiple posters have made a mockery of your Steele vs Wojo comparison and still you persist.
I don't know whether to admire or pity your intransigence.
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Nova 36 Butler 26 Half.
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Villanova closed the 1st half on a 9-2 run.
#9 Villanova 36 #13 Butler 26 at the half on CBSSN.
Time for me to put on my gold for Fiserv Forum.
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Nova 49 Butler 45 Kamar Baldwin makes some tough shots. 11:15 left second
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Cats beating Dogs 56- 45 7:40 left second.
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https://depauliaonline.com/45666/sports/hometown-chicago-kid-joins-depaul-mens-basketball-for-rest-of-season/
Depaul picked up some depth with a midseason grad transfer. Going to be interesting to see how quickly he gets acclimated.
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https://depauliaonline.com/45666/sports/hometown-chicago-kid-joins-depaul-mens-basketball-for-rest-of-season/
Depaul picked up some depth with a midseason grad transfer. Going to be interesting to see how quickly he gets acclimated.
Do we know why he sat out this season at George Washington, Injury? They are saying he needs to get in shape.
https://247sports.com/college/depaul/Article/A-Dream-Comes-True-for-DJ-Williams-DePaul-Basketball-Big-East-142478968/
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Nova up 13 1:12 left second.
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Nova wins big tonight.
Have to say you have been calling it correctly on Butler. They look vulnerable. Hopefully we can get it done tonight and Friday and really get cooking.
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Shooter
The boys are playing better and I like the chances on Friday. Johnson is becoming a difference maker and Koby is getting better every game. If those two continue to contribute I like their chances in every game with exception of SH and Creighton. Fortunately both at home.
Quick addition, I think we will struggle with DePaul.
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Shooter
The boys are playing better and I like the chances on Friday. Johnson is becoming a difference maker and Koby is getting better every game. If those two continue to contribute I like their chances in every game with exception of SH and Creighton. Fortunately both at home.
Quick addition, I think we will struggle with DePaul.
I would agree that those are the two matchups MU will have the most trouble with. They don’t do much winning at Nova either. The Seton Hall game is Feb 29 so I’m hoping a bid is locked up at that point.
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You and me are on the same page. I think we take Creighton at home though. I really hope we are in a position on Senior day to take down Seton Hall and push for a championship. Lots of work to be done. DePaul scares me because I think they are a well rounded team that got off to a bad start. Their two bigs are more mobile and better than ours.
At least they (MU) are making it more interesting. Could be a fun couple of months.
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CountryRoads
They likely lose at Nova, but they can beat this year at their joint. One really good team in BE and next 5-6 will battle it out.
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Shooter
If they play good ball, you and I will be in the same page more often. The key the rest of the way is Howard playing hero ball when needed and playing like he did tonight, if not no need for hero ball. He played like an elite player tonight, IMO. If a hockey game, he would have had a dozen assists.
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https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/1/21/21076372/cats-beat-dogs-in-top-15-showdown-villanova-wildcats-basketball-wins-76-61-butler-bulldogs-recap
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Win at home vs Butler on 2/9 and we are pretty much locks for the tournament. Despite Butler's fall of late, we would have two impressive NET wins on our resume. Throw in a SHU victory as well and we would likely be on the 6 seed line.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/22/how-romaro-gill-grew-into-seton-halls-unstoppable-force/amp/
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3 games tonight
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59211.msg1197131#msg1197131
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Providence v Seton Hall who do we want to win?
Short term-Seton Hall? to be in a tie for 3rd, or long term Providence, if we want a better shot at the title?
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Providence v Seton Hall who do we want to win?
Short term-Seton Hall? to be in a tie for 3rd, or long term Providence, if we want a better shot at the title?
Providence isnt winning
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Providence v Seton Hall who do we want to win?
Short term-Seton Hall? to be in a tie for 3rd, or long term Providence, if we want a better shot at the title?
Providence because it's all about the Big East title. Can't make up ground on SHU unless they lose some games.
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When given a choice between Cooley & Company and The Hall, I will allways take Cooley. Think it also helps us more if Providence resume is improved.
Seton Hall fan base is supporting their team in recent years, so the home court is definitely more of an advantage than it has been historically. So very much an uphill climb for Cooley
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So, besides MU, I have seen Nova, Creighton and now Georgetown wear the Baby Blues (Valor Blues now I guess). And MU is wearing black. Wtf?
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Much needed win for Xavier tonight over Ewing & Associates.
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The Hall 36 Cooley & Company 32 Halftime. Good game.
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Tough break for Butler
@ButlerMBB: Christian David is out for the remainder of the 2019-20 season after tearing the ACL in his left knee during Tuesday night's game at Villanova. Surgery for the junior forward will be scheduled soon. #GetWellSoonCD
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Tough break for Butler
@ButlerMBB: Christian David is out for the remainder of the 2019-20 season after tearing the ACL in his left knee during Tuesday night's game at Villanova. Surgery for the junior forward will be scheduled soon. #GetWellSoonCD
Hope the young man can recover in time for next season.
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Creighton 37 DePaul 34 Half
The Hall 46 Cooley & Company 42 15:07 left second
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Tough break for Butler
@ButlerMBB: Christian David is out for the remainder of the 2019-20 season after tearing the ACL in his left knee during Tuesday night's game at Villanova. Surgery for the junior forward will be scheduled soon. #GetWellSoonCD
Sucks for the kid but team wise hes pretty much a non entity
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I can't believe parents of the Duke kid on Providence named him David. I guess they didn't like "Adolph."
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Creighton 62 DePaul 47 11:47 left second half. Ballock doing his thing.
The Hall 67 Cooley & Company 58 3:16 left second. Romaro Gill with a strong performance.
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Providence really hung tough vs SH........both big physical teams....
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9th straight win for The Hall
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I can't believe parents of the Duke kid on Providence named him David. I guess they didn't like "Adolph."
Born in 1999, well after his white supremacist namesake had come to prominence. Just baffling.
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I can't believe parents of the Duke kid on Providence named him David. I guess they didn't like "Adolph."
or fidel
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My wife's like, "I can't believe he doesn't change his name."
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My wife's like, "I can't believe he doesn't change his name."
His name is David Duke, Jr. He was named after his father. People have pride in their families. Some are not as myopic and self absorbed as your family.
https://friars.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/david-duke/4790
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Born in 1999, well after his white supremacist namesake had come to prominence. Just baffling.
Along those lines .... I mean, this tweet. I feel for PC's talented Mr. Duke https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1220039303306399751 (https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1220039303306399751)
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Providence really hung tough vs SH........both big physical teams....
I thought SH handled them despite Providence getting some road cookin from the refs.
Gill snuffed out any chance the Friars had, and he did it on both ends. With Powell only scoring 14 pts, SH needed him to be big, and he was, both physically and statistically.
The guy literally was the difference in the game.
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Creighton 83 DePaul 68 . Road win for Creighton.
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Creighton 83 DePaul 68 . Road win for Creighton.
That makes me feel a little better about Marquettes prospects against them.
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His name is David Duke, Jr. He was named after his father. People have pride in their families. Some are not as myopic and self absorbed as your family.
https://friars.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/david-duke/4790
I'm sure the namesake of the KKK's former Grand Wizard appreciates your support.
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Much needed win for Xavier tonight over Ewing & Associates.
It’s not funny, kid.
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I can't believe parents of the Duke kid on Providence named him David. I guess they didn't like "Adolph."
I actually think it's great.
I can just imagine the look on some racist POS face when he clicks on a news article just because of the name and is greeted by the Friars David Dukes smiling face. Classic.
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Most people dont know or care who KKK david Duke is. The guys irrelevant. I follow politics somewhat closely and only heard of him once a few years ago for some small story bout whatever. Didnt even realize providence duke was same name till someone said it here. Who cares. Own the name. Its not anywhere near naming a kid adolf
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Sucks for the kid but team wise hes pretty much a non entity
Wouldn't say non-entity. He's the second guy off the bench for them and is known as a very good defender. He was one of the guys on their roster who I thought could maybe slow Markus down. Him not being available can only help us.
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or fidel
Or Bernard
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I'm sure the namesake of the KKK's former Grand Wizard appreciates your support.
Byrd?
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I can't believe parents of the Duke kid on Providence named him David. I guess they didn't like "Adolph."
It's terrible. Though, it wouldn't be as bad as like, wearing something from Hugo Boss. Or driving in a VW ( or Audi), or BMW, or Porsche though right? And I hope your portfolio doesn't include Siemens. What kind of message does that send?
Maybe give the kid a break on his name. I know I certainly had never heard of David Duke in 1999.
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I'm sure the namesake of the KKK's former Grand Wizard appreciates your support.
You do realize David Duke from Providence is African American? Why would he change his name because of some other POS with the same name.
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You do realize David Duke from Providence is African American? Why would he change his name because of some other POS with the same name.
Hmmm....lots of politics here.
Still waiting for a top 50 recruit named Hitler.
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You do realize David Duke from Providence is African American? Why would he change his name because of some other POS with the same name.
I wouldn't expect the kid to change his name. But I am surprised the parents used that name. I think people are generally cognizant of famous people that share their surname. I'd be willing to wager that if your last name is "Duke", you are more likely to have heard of the former David Duke. It just seems an odd choice. Parents put time into picking names, I can't imagine giving one without examining all the angles. And if he's named after his father, I would think that would be less of a reason as the father already had to deal with being another David Duke all his life.
Just like Office Space, I fully get that the "why should I change my name, he's the one that sucks?" aspect of this, but if it turns out a white supremacist shares my name, I'm certainly not giving my son the same name so he has to bear that all his life too.
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https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2020/01/22/seton-hall-providence-basketball/4528676002/
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I wouldn't expect the kid to change his name. But I am surprised the parents used that name. I think people are generally cognizant of famous people that share their surname. I'd be willing to wager that if your last name is "Duke", you are more likely to have heard of the former David Duke. It just seems an odd choice. Parents put time into picking names, I can't imagine giving one without examining all the angles. And if he's named after his father, I would think that would be less of a reason as the father already had to deal with being another David Duke all his life.
Just like Office Space, I fully get that the "why should I change my name, he's the one that sucks?" aspect of this, but if it turns out a white supremacist shares my name, I'm certainly not giving my son the same name so he has to bear that all his life too.
This.
But this did crack me up ...
I actually think it's great.
I can just imagine the look on some racist POS face when he clicks on a news article just because of the name and is greeted by the Friars David Dukes smiling face. Classic.
But seriously ...
David Duke the KKK leader would have advocated lynching David Duke the basketball player, or burning down his church, or putting a flaming cross in his yard.
So it goes back to what brewski said. If our last name happened to be Dahmer, my wife and I would have named our son ANYTHING but Jeffrey. And if my parents had been brain-dead and named me Jeffrey Dahmer, I'd have changed my name.
But hey, it's David Duke's (the hoopster) life, and I wish him success (except when he plays against Marquette).
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https://depauliaonline.com/45721/sports/depaul-gets-blown-out-against-creighton-83-68/
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Excellent research report chronicling the development of Romaro Gill.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/22/how-romaro-gill-grew-into-seton-halls-unstoppable-force/
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/4548757002
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God you say some dumb sh*t
+1. WTF.
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Excellent research report chronicling the development of Romaro Gill.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/22/how-romaro-gill-grew-into-seton-halls-unstoppable-force/
Thanks for posting. Wow, that is an amazing story. I have certainly noticed the game to game improvement Gill is making lately, but had no idea of his backstory. One of the things I love about the size of the current Big East and the round robin schedule is how well you get to know the opposing teams, coaches and some of the players' stories. Some you can't stand, some you grow to appreciate and some you can't help but like.
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Rocket - removed your post and replies. Maybe you don't intend it that way, but saying things like that counts as hate speech in my book. Don't do it.
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Thank you, Rocky.
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Looks like I missed some fireworks
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Thank you, Rocky.
^^^ and this gf individual's signature counts as politics in everyone's book. Remove it or ban
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^^^ and this gf individual's signature counts as politics in everyone's book. Remove it or ban
Gf?
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Or Bernard
["Bernard" = Adolph Hitler, David Duke and Fidel Castro.]
Ooohh....politics!!!! How fun! Isn't it just awesome!!
So clever, Cheeks. (Wait for the denials..."I never compared Bernie Sanders to Adolph Hitler...I just said Bernard--I meant Bernard Toone. And I was comparing him to college basketball players David Duke, Adolph Rupp (well...) and Fidel Woods of Jackson State")
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Oooooh boy. This thread is about to get good.
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Saddiq Bey had a growth spurt since in school.
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/saddiq-bey-villanova-basketball-jay-wright-growth-spurt-sidwell-friends-20200122.html
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True story:
When I was in high school, I dated a girl whose father was the biggest bigot I had ever met to that point in my young life. My senior year in college, my mom sent me a newspaper article he was featured in -- as having been de-hooded. Turns out he was the Imperial Wizard of the Connecticut KKK.
Hell, I just googled his name, and several articles popped up. Here's one of them:
https://apnews.com/0646450eba57e96c84a2165f74acd77b
"I Dated A Klansman's Daughter" ... Sounds like I've got a country song to write!
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"I Dated A Klansman's Daughter" ... Sounds like I've got a country song to write!
Be careful, in some areas that Daughter would also be your sister. So you would be outing your father.
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Rocket - removed your post and replies. Maybe you don't intend it that way, but saying things like that counts as hate speech in my book. Don't do it.
You’re absolutely right rockie did not mean it as hate speech thank you for the mulligan
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https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/24/21079809/travis-steele-has-to-stop-fighting-who-he-is-xavier-basketball-big-dudes
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Sadly, I think Butler by 12 tonight.
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Would be good for the league.
https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/01/patrick-ewing-jay-wright-say-seton-hall-has-final-four-potential.html
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Lets get this one in overtime.
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Should be some entertaining games today with Nova at Cooley & Company and The Johnnies at DePaul.
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Villanova 44 Providence 38 in the 2nd half on CBS.
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Providence has slipped 3 times in the second half. Court being wiped down now. BE really needs to do something about that court.
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More slipping and sliding at Providence. At least they didn’t decide to not call second half travels and keep the ball with the team that traveled out of bounds.
But if providence can’t have a safe court for kids to play on, move the game to an empty practice arena. If there’s an issue when MU plays there I hope Wojo pulls the team off the court.
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Solid road win for The Johnnies over DePaul.
Nova skates out of town with Win over Cooley & Company.
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DePaul had such a great non conference to set themselves up for a NCAA bid, is in serious trouble.
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DePaul had such a great non conference to set themselves up for a NCAA bid, is in serious trouble.
They had solid teamwork doing non con. Not seeing that same consistent ball movement lately.
However, I still think they are not an automatic win for anyone.
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Opportunity game today for Xavier at Creighton.
Good podcast on Xaviers tourney chances in this research report
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/25/21081224/the-blessing-and-curse-of-the-big-east-xavier-basketball
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/1/24/21080208/so-youre-telling-me-theres-a-chance-xavier-basketball
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Todays game between Xavier and Creighton is an all access game where the coaches are miked up . It is worth watching to hear how McDermott and Steele operate.
https://gocreighton.com/news/2020/1/22/mens-basketball-to-play-in-fs1s-all-access-game-on-sunday-vs-xavier.aspx
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https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/1/25/21081538/villanova-holds-off-providence-64-60-in-tough-conference-clash
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7-1 Creighton 15:43
In the huddle now
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15-6 Creighton 11:47 left first
McDermott pushing his guys to rocket up and down the floor .
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23-13 Creighton 8:21 Fun to watch
McDermott talking a page out of his buddy Cooleys book and working the refs hard
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39-31 Creighton at half over X
Entertaining game
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Fun game so far, and profitable! Took Creighton -3 on 1st Half line. Also bet the Over 67 at half (that 3 point shot at end of half took me off the push to a win). Also bet Creighton -5.5 for the game. Felt these were almost lock bets.
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Creighton solidifies it’s position with win over X
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/01/26/heres-what-went-wrong-xaviers-loss-creighton/4575382002/
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Xavier is in trouble and it doesn't get easier. They will be desperate to beat us on Wednesday, because after that they have 4/5 on the road, and they still have Villanova and Butler coming to town.
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Seems like the conference is seperating into a top 5 with SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, MU) and a bottom 4 that will be playing day 1 of the BET (X, DP, SJU, Georgetown).
Providence is the x factor for me. Not sure where they will end up.
Could see MU finishing anywhere between 3rd and 6th.
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Seems like the conference is seperating into a top 5 with SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, MU) and a bottom 4 that will be playing day 1 of the BET (X, DP, SJU, Georgetown).
Providence is the x factor for me. Not sure where they will end up.
Could see MU finishing anywhere between 3rd and 6th.
Providence got off to a surprising start, but has come back down to earth. They have lost 4 of the last 5 games. Given what I've seen so far, I think MU stays in the 5th spot.
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Seems like the conference is seperating into a top 5 with SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, MU) and a bottom 4 that will be playing day 1 of the BET (X, DP, SJU, Georgetown).
Providence is the x factor for me. Not sure where they will end up.
Could see MU finishing anywhere between 3rd and 6th.
https://www.thesunchronicle.com/sports/local_sports/offensive-struggles-continue-to-haunt-pc-men-s-basketball/article_bcb4e07e-8a10-514f-9a59-5d31db90a97a.html
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https://bustingbrackets.com/2020/01/25/butler-basketball-takeaways-overtime-home-win-marquette/
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True story:
When I was in high school, I dated a girl whose father was the biggest bigot I had ever met to that point in my young life. My senior year in college, my mom sent me a newspaper article he was featured in -- as having been de-hooded. Turns out he was the Imperial Wizard of the Connecticut KKK.
Hell, I just googled his name, and several articles popped up. Here's one of them:
https://apnews.com/0646450eba57e96c84a2165f74acd77b
"I Dated A Klansman's Daughter" ... Sounds like I've got a country song to write!
Shelton is one town over from me. Tons of rednecks there.
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Shelton is one town over from me. Tons of rednecks there.
I did not know that. Thanks for the info.
Also, J.W. Farrands was more than a "redneck," just as he was more than your run-of-the-mill racist.
I mean, there's racists ... and there's the Imperial Wizard of the KKK.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.app.com/amp/4587850002
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Big opportunity tonight for The Johnnies in the Garden versus Nova.
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2020/1/28/21111068/st-johns-vs-villanova-wildcats-tv-radio-streaming-how-to-watch-scouting
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Big opportunity tonight for The Johnnies in the Garden versus Nova.
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2020/1/28/21111068/st-johns-vs-villanova-wildcats-tv-radio-streaming-how-to-watch-scouting
Big opportunity to make the nit
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Johnnies up 11-6 15:53 left first
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Herman
Watch a rerun of Shark Tank. Nova is not losing tonight.
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Herman
Butler falls to Georgetown by five tonight.
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Herman
Watch a rerun of Shark Tank. Nova is not losing tonight.
Good call. Nova picks up a decent road win.
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You mean your updated score 4 minutes into the 1st half didn’t hold up the entire game?
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Amazing what a little home cooking can do for you. Further evidence that Butler is very beatable, especially in Milwaukee.
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Herman
Butler falls to Georgetown by five tonight.
I have to hang with you in Vegas goose...georgie up by 11 at half
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I have to hang with you in Vegas goose...georgie up by 11 at half
Wow, less than 4 minutes, they blew that lead faster than we would.
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Wow, that didn’t take long. The doggies just tied it up-took all of about 4 minutes
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Butler opens the half on a 18-3 run to take the lead on CBSSN.
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Wow, less than 4 minutes, they blew that lead faster than we would.
Beat me to it dj, but love the analogy. That’s gotta make us feel a little better🤷🏼♂️
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Butler opens the half on a 18-3 run to take the lead on CBSSN.
Better for MU if the bottom 4 continue to lose.
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Better for MU if the bottom 4 continue to lose.
And they do. Bottom scrubs keep losin
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Solid win for Butler on the road
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Man if I don't know any better I would have thought that was us in DC tonight. Play a great first half and build a double digit lead at half, blow it all in the first 4 minutes of the second half. Play it tight the next 15 minutes only to get outscored by 5 while going 0-5 from the field in the last 60 seconds. That's right out of our playbook.
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Man if I don't know any better I would have thought that was us in DC tonight. Play a great first half and build a double digit lead at half, blow it all in the first 4 minutes of the second half. Play it tight the next 15 minutes only to get outscored by 5 while going 0-5 from the field in the last 60 seconds. That's right out of our playbook.
We were just in DC. And, like Butler, we won there -- right out of our playbook.
Georgetown played one of its best games against us to keep it close. Our guys kept their cool, made plays down the stretch, and got a nice road win in front of a hostile crowd. I was there, and it was fun to be a Warrior who got to smile at all the GT fans as I walked out.
We Are Marquette!
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Georgetown played one of its best games against us to keep it close. Our guys kept their cool, made plays down the stretch, and got a nice road win in front of a hostile crowd. I was there, and it was fun to be a Warrior who got to smile at all the GT fans as I walked out.
You lost me at "hostile crowd." Other than the wasteland that is the Wintrust Arena, there is not a lesser home court advantage in the Big East than at the Capital One Arena, where Georgetown's average attendance has fallen by a whopping 40% in the last seven years.
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You lost me at "hostile crowd." Other than the wasteland that is the Wintrust Arena, there is not a lesser home court advantage in the Big East than at the Capital One Arena, where Georgetown's average attendance has fallen by a whopping 40% in the last seven years.
Were you there? I was. The crowd was jacked up, especially in the second half as the teams kept trading mini-runs. When GT took the lead with a few minutes to go, it was loud. The Warriors did a great job keeping their cool and pulling it out.
But sure ... even if one doesn't think the crowd was hostile ... it was still a great road win. No "worse" than the one Butler just earned.
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CountryRoads
It will be awfully hard to get the “expected “ seven BE teams into NCAA if bottom four keep losing. Wonder if the gang is still figuring out how seven get in. Also, if bottom keep losing, MU better not slip against one of them or it could be very costly.
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Were you there? I was. The crowd was jacked up, especially in the second half as the teams kept trading mini-runs. When GT took the lead with a few minutes to go, it was loud. The Warriors did a great job keeping their cool and pulling it out.
Attendance: 5,329.
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CountryRoads
It will be awfully hard to get the “expected “ seven BE teams into NCAA if bottom four keep losing. Wonder if the gang is still figuring out how seven get in. Also, if bottom keep losing, MU better not slip against one of them or it could be very costly.
Agreed. The conf is turning out to be much more polarized than anticipated. Haves and have nots rather than a bunch of teams beating each other up. That does ramp up the pressure in terms of securing the "should win" games rather than an anybody can beat anybody landscape.
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Attendance: 5,329.
This seems like a silly thing to jump into the middle of... but I had a minute to kill and I was curious because it seemed like more than 5k on tv. Box score says attendance 12,514.
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Better for MU if the bottom 4 continue to lose.
Sure.
Yet, I wanted the bottom to start winning to make the league 7 or 8 bids. As of know, that will not be the case.
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This seems like a silly thing to jump into the middle of... but I had a minute to kill and I was curious because it seemed like more than 5k on tv. Box score says attendance 12,514.
I think some are talking the MU/GTown game (12,514), while other's are talking about last night BU/GTown game.(5,329).
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You lost me at "hostile crowd." Other than the wasteland that is the Wintrust Arena, there is not a lesser home court advantage in the Big East than at the Capital One Arena, where Georgetown's average attendance has fallen by a whopping 40% in the last seven years.
I heard they don't bus students for free to the game anymore?
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For G'town? I read it as 5,329.
That was the game last night. 82 was talking about the MU game there, which drew over 12,000.
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Ahh... Hoya didn't realize were talking the MU @ GU game. 5,329 was the butler game. Maybe not as hostile.
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I think some are talking the MU/GTown game (12,514), while other's are talking about last night BU/GTown game.(5,329).
That's weird. Georgetown page listed at the 12k number.
http://www.guhoyas.com/mens-basketball/2019-20/boxscore/vs-marquette/14443/pdf
*edit: ok, I should have kept reading the posts. Looks like some confusion there on which game they were discussing. This is why I knew I shouldn't interject!
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That was the game last night. 82 was talking about the MU game there, which drew over 12,000.
Ya, I change my post. I had to re-read everything, as some were talking about two different games.
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That's weird. Georgetown page listed at the 12k number.
http://www.guhoyas.com/mens-basketball/2019-20/boxscore/vs-marquette/14443/pdf
Correct for the MU game. Last night was not that. Everyone is talking two different games. The Hoya fan came on talking about last night's poor crowd. No shock to me as it was a local 9:05pm start. I guess us MU fans can't bitch about 8pm game.
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Agreed. The conf is turning out to be much more polarized than anticipated. Haves and have nots rather than a bunch of teams beating each other up. That does ramp up the pressure in terms of securing the "should win" games rather than an anybody can beat anybody landscape.
Xavier was rated top 20 for the first six weeks of the season but they've started conference play similar to last season. Alas, Steele is still their coach and they underwhelm.
DePaul was a surprise cinderella in December and people, weirdly, assumed that would translate to conference. Alas, no one loses Big East games better than DePaul.
Drops you from thinking seven could make it to thinking it'll probably be five.
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Mamu going to slowly work his way back in the lineup for The Hall
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/28/sandro-mamukelashvili-returning-as-seton-hall-gets-more-dangerous/amp/
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Attendance: 5,329.
Incorrect. In your haste to try to prove me wrong, you didn't even get the right crowd for the game that was being discussed.
Everyone is talking two different games.
Again, the MU-GT game had an excellent, loud, animated crowd of 12K+.
I didn't claim it was the win of the century, simply a very good conference win in a hostile environment.
It had been implied that Butler had done something we didn't ... and I agree. They absolutely annihilated Georgetown by 5, whereas we only squeaked out a 4-point win.
We Are Marquette!
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I didn't say anything about what you claimed. I was just trying to get the attendance counts correct for what game people were talking about. I do agree, the MU @GT crowd on a Saturday was great. The grey out and such. Anytime winning on the road is big!
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CountryRoads
It will be awfully hard to get the “expected “ seven BE teams into NCAA if bottom four keep losing. Wonder if the gang is still figuring out how seven get in. Also, if bottom keep losing, MU better not slip against one of them or it could be very costly.
5 looks likely at this point. MU, Nova, SHU, Creighton, Butler.
I wouldn't be surprised at 6 if X, PC or DP can go on a run. X seems the most likely but hopefully we bury them further tonight.
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5 looks likely at this point. MU, Nova, SHU, Creighton, Butler.
I wouldn't be surprised at 6 if X, PC or DP can go on a run. X seems the most likely but hopefully we bury them further tonight.
Worth noting that the committee puts equal weighting on non con and conference games. So that is why non con performance is so critical. Once you get into conference hard to get traction. All of the bottom teams in the league had some good quality wins in non conference which look good on the resume. So for example The Johnnies suck, but to their benefit they have the wins over Arizona and West Virginia. Same with DePaul which has Minnesota and Iowa on their resume.
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What Herman said. Some of these lower level teams do have some solid wins.
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I didn't say anything about what you claimed. I was just trying to get the attendance counts correct for what game people were talking about. I do agree, the MU @GT crowd on a Saturday was great. The grey out and such. Anytime winning on the road is big!
Wasn't trying to accuse you of anything; sorry if there was a little miscommunication between us.
X seems the most likely but hopefully we bury them further tonight.
X can go undefeated ... starting with Saturday's game vs SH!
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The emergence of Romaro Gill as a force has taken Seton Hall another level.
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DePaul beating SH by 1 at the half......29-28.....it wasn’t pretty
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DePaul 29 The Hall 28 Halftime
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DePaul is going to be tough out for MU, both home and away.
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DePaul up 7 with 15 min left.
I smell a seton Hall comeback.
To be fair hall has been down multiple times in games late and managed come backs. Good for them for finishing games.
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DePaul The entire Big East is going to be tough out for MU, both home and away.
Fixed it for you
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DePaul is like most teams in this conference......when they are good they are really good......depends which version shows up on a given day.
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Another dude's hair shouldn't bother me, but that little turd piece hangin off powell's dome is maddddd questionable
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MuMark
I like their style of play and feel how they play is difficult for us. They made major improvements this season and deserve some credit.
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DePaul 41 The Hall 38 11:54 left.
Paul Reed has 4 fouls.
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DePaul 41 The Hall 38 11:54 left.
Paul Reed has 4 fouls.
Hall starting to get some home cookin’
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Of course Hall is shooting 17% from 3.
Why never against us.
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DePaul 48 The Hall 45 8:08 left second.
Hard fought Big East battle.
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Markus has off games, but this Powell performance is putrid. He had another ugly one a few games ago too.
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Another dude's hair shouldn't bother me, but that little turd piece hangin off powell's dome is maddddd questionable
Yup. Have been saying this since the start of the year. He thinks he’s cute with that and the rolled up shorts. Kinda weird for a guy who tries to be all tough.
No surprise here, T’s flying in a SHU game. Would be interested to see how many T’s are called in games they’re involved in compared to the rest of the country.
Would love to see SHU as a 3 seed and a Powell T cost them in a first round upset. Eff that guy and eff Willard.
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Both Ts were rather weak though.
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Both Ts were rather weak though.
True.
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Powell just sealed it.
Analysts will talk about how great he was this game.
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The Hall 58 DePaul 51 4:25 left second
12-1 run for The Hall
Crowd loud and making a difference.
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Powell just sealed it.
Analysts will talk about how great he was this game.
“Big time players step up in big games. Second leading scorer doing what he does!”
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Solid win for The Hall 64-57
Fun game to watch.
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32-16 finish.
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Seton Hall are dirt bags However ,it would be great for the Big East if they went deep into the tournament this year. If they keep up this pace, they could get a decent seed which would help the leagues cause.
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Seton Hall are dirt bags However ,it would be great for the Big East if they went deep into the tournament this year. If they keep up this pace, they could get a decent seed which would help the leagues cause.
You really need to learn the English language.
Calling wins over Presbyterian "solid"
but keeping up a 2 seed pace would be "decent"
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Powell just sealed it.
He couldn't hit shots most of the game, not even FTs. But he kept chuckin'. Because shooters gotta shoot.
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https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2020/01/29/seton-hall-depaul-basketball/4594920002/
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Didn’t see this posted elsewhere but DePaul got a commitment this week from a top 50 wing in the class of 2020. Looks like the checks are finally clearing for the Blue Demons.
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Didn’t see this posted elsewhere but DePaul got a commitment this week from a top 50 wing in the class of 2020. Looks like the checks are finally clearing for the Blue Demons.
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Keon-Edwards-DePaul-Commitment-142803552/
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Seton Hall is still sleeping on Fox. Down 17-2
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https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59211.msg1202827#msg1202827
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Xavier looking strong, going right at Hall.
Powell not looking great. But announcers are all over him talking about how he makes everyone so much better ::) then taking a direct shot at Markus saying other NPOY candidates don’t make their teams better and Winston and Powell are head and shoulders above everyone else
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Creighton up on #8 Villanova 31-14 on FS1.
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X up 14 with 4 minutes to go.
McKnight went out for the Hall with a knee injury.
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X up 14 with 4 minutes to go.
McKnight went out for the Hall with a knee injury.
Second straight game X benefited from a good player on its opponent having to leave with an injury. This time, they were able to take advantage.
SH didn't have anybody as good as Koby or Sacar to step up. They only had Powell!
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Second straight game X benefited from a good player on its opponent having to leave with an injury. This time, they were able to take advantage.
SH didn't have anybody as good as Koby or Sacar to step up. They only had Powell!
You going to say this on every thread??
You’re acting like this wasn’t wire to wire domination and that McKnight got hurt at the tip
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You going to say this on every thread??
You’re acting like this wasn’t wire to wire domination and that McKnight got hurt at the tip
I said it on 2 threads. Which I guess is every.
SH missed McNight, but X played so well it probably made no difference. Just interesting to me that the same team benefited in two consecutive games from its opponent losing a good player. It's sports. Stuff happens.
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I said it on 2 threads. Which I guess is every.
SH missed McNight, but X played so well it probably made no difference. Just interesting to me that the same team benefited in two consecutive games from its opponent losing a good player. It's sports. Stuff happens.
But they didnt miss him. X was in control before his injury and stayed in control after.
They will miss him, but this was a loss either way.
Much, much different then Markus going down with 12 minutes to play in a game that had been a complete battle for 28 min.
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But they didnt miss him. X was in control before his injury and stayed in control after.
They will miss him, but this was a loss either way.
Much, much different then Markus going down with 12 minutes to play in a game that had been a complete battle for 28 min.
Seton Hall did close within 7-8 on at least a couple of occasions. You don't think McNight might have helped extend that rally?
Look, I'm not willing to die on this hill. You don't think there's any way possible McNight might have helped. That's cool. We disagree. But I do agree with you that it's different than us missing Markus, who is an All-American. Us winning on the road without the nation's leading scorer was outstanding, and a testimony to the heart of Wojo's team.
You are free to have the last word if you want. I gotta go get ready to cheer on our Warriors.
We Are Marquette!
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Seton Hall did close within 7-8 on at least a couple of occasions. You don't think McNight might have helped extend that rally?
Look, I'm not willing to die on this hill. You don't think there's any way possible McNight might have helped. That's cool. We disagree. But I do agree with you that it's different than us missing Markus, who is an All-American. Us winning on the road without the nation's leading scorer was outstanding, and a testimony to the heart of Wojo's team.
You are free to have the last word if you want. I gotta go get ready to cheer on our Warriors.
We Are Marquette!
I'm just stating what the game showed. And not trying to discredit one of the leagues best wins so far(which also ultimately helps us)
X answered every run and McKnight got hurt when down 11.
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Creighton continues to impress. Up 9 at Nova with 2:45 to go.
They are good
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No, MU lost to them because MU is bad, not because Creighton is good.
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Doesn't Villanova know that they should EXPECT to win at home and there is NO EXCUSE for losing to a team that they are BETTER than AT HOME???
/end guru
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But they didnt miss him. X was in control before his injury and stayed in control after.
They will miss him, but this was a loss either way.
Much, much different then Markus going down with 12 minutes to play in a game that had been a complete battle for 28 min.
But in the X thread you agreed with MU82 and said SH was going to win when C was up by a lot. So...
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But in the X thread you agreed with MU82 and said SH was going to win when up by a lot. So...
Yeah I thought they were going to comeback......right after hafltime.......when they were on a 20-5 run. X immediately answered....then they answered again.....and again........then McKnight got hurt......with 6 min left.....which was 2 more points and 13 less minutes to work with....
So...
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Creighton continues to impress. Up 9 at Nova with 2:45 to go.
They are good
Yes. Creighton was a 7 point underdog. Massively outperformed that line. Dominated Nova.
Nova is not the Nova of past. AP ranking irrelevant - they are probably a 25-30ish
Creighton very well may be best team in league...
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Big win for X
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The home team either lost, or is currently losing in every Big East game today.
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Solid win for Cooley & Company
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That Providence win should help the conference bigly. Move them up a quad (or get them closer)
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Great day for the league with the road wins. I think net overall it helps the cause for all.
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Denzel Mahoney has been a nice addition to the Creighton roster . He has length and a big body to go along with scoring skills .
Good win for the Blue Jays today over Nova.
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Yeah I thought they were going to comeback......right after hafltime.......when they were on a 20-5 run. X immediately answered....then they answered again.....and again........then McKnight got hurt......with 6 min left.....which was 2 more points and 13 less minutes to work with....
So...
PGsHeroes32 is Dodds, confirmed.
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Great day for the league with the road wins. I think net overall it helps the cause for all.
Thank goodness Wojo's team held serve at home.
Great win for our Warriors on a day that other teams lost games they NEVER SHOULD HAVE.
Lotsa coaches gotta get fired today, but I guess that means Wojo gets a raise?
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PGsHeroes32 is Dodds, confirmed.
That guy thought Sandy Cohen was NBA
I thought Sandy Cohen was our 10th best player
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Today was definitely the best of all worlds for MU. Our resume keeps improving. The rest of our schedule should be all Q1 and Q2 now. Plenty of opportunities for quality wins .
We also want the league as a whole to be as strong as possible . More teams in tournament means more money and more visibility for the league .
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Doesn't Villanova know that they should EXPECT to win at home and there is NO EXCUSE for losing to a team that they are BETTER than AT HOME???
/end guru
Aren't you adorable.. How about you just give it a rest. It's about what MU should do...always. What other teams may or may not do is TOTALLY irrelevant...got it?? How does Nova losing at home to a GOOD Creighton team have any bearing on whether or not there would have been NO EXCUSE for MU to lose to last place DuhPaul at home today??
It's like trying to use the transitive property. Because Nova loses at home to a GOOD basketball team, there should be no excuse for that. Wrong. What happened today?? MU played bad...they couldn't shoot. Guess what happened?? THEY STILL WON. You know why?? Because as I said, they were never going to lose and if they had, there would have been no excuse for it..NONE whatsoever.
Even though you and others would have shrugged your shoulders and said "eh, no big deal, it happens". Whatever.
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Aren't you adorable.. How about you just give it a rest. It's about what MU should do...always. What other teams may or may not do is TOTALLY irrelevant...got it?? How does Nova losing at home to a GOOD Creighton team have any bearing on whether or not there would have been NO EXCUSE for MU to lose to last place DuhPaul at home today??
It's like trying to use the transitive property. Because Nova loses at home to a GOOD basketball team, there should be no excuse for that. Wrong. What happened today?? MU played bad...they couldn't shoot. Guess what happened?? THEY STILL WON. You know why?? Because as I said, they were never going to lose and if they had, there would have been no excuse for it..NONE whatsoever.
Even though you and others would have shrugged your shoulders and said "eh, no big deal, it happens". Whatever.
hook, line, and sinker
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Today was definitely the best of all worlds for MU. Our resume keeps improving. The rest of our schedule should be all Q1 and Q2 now. Plenty of opportunities for quality wins .
We also want the league as a whole to be as strong as possible . More teams in tournament means more money and more visibility for the league .
BE had a great non-con but it really separated into a clear top and bottom half in the first half of conference play. It was inevitable that since the calendar turned over to 2020, the BE teams collectively would go .500 the rest of the way (with the exception of those random Nova non-con games). However, it'd be nice to see either Providence and/or Xavier make a bit of a run and get in the tournament. Seven teams is the max this year with five being the most likely. A decent chance at six.
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hook, line, and sinker
His logic is unassailable, isn't it?
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SJU and Georgetown still have enough cache to be on CBS on Superbowl Sunday.
And they put on quite a show for a couple of bottom dwellers. Congratulations to the Hoyas.
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Damn Gtown came back down 17 in that one. Without McClung.
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SJU wears themselves out first 30 mins and then has to try and hold on for dear life. Didnt work out today.
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Solid road win for Ewing and Associates in the Garden versus The Johnnies. Good visibility for The Big East. Would love to see those tv ratings when they come out.
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https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-men-s-basketball-earns-upset-win-at-no-villanova/article_524124a3-cb34-5e7e-af7a-fd4d4fc78c5e.html
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X and DePaul Preview
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4641592002
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WhoaJoe
What is your take on DePaul and X. A lot of us are curious on your thoughts on this game.
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WhoaJoe
What is your take on DePaul and X. A lot of us are curious on your thoughts on this game.
A certain someone has said multiple times this season that we’ll probably drop one to DePaul, so it made a lot of sense for WhoaJoe to go into full damage control mode *before* the MU game on Saturday, talking about what a difficult trap game it was going to be. Hell, if you bought what he was selling, you’d think our home victory over the Blue Demons was practically an upset.
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A certain someone has said multiple times this season that we’ll probably drop one to DePaul, so it made a lot of sense for WhoaJoe to go into full damage control mode *before* the MU game on Saturday, talking about what a difficult trap game it was going to be. Hell, if you bought what he was selling, you’d think our home victory over the Blue Demons was practically an upset.
What a joke.....
I actually said in that thread that the game didn't qualify as a trap game because I was sure Wojo and the players weren't overlooking DePaul.
That said, not knowing Markus and Greg's status, and coming off a 2OT road game after another OT road game, I simply disagreed with those who said Marquette " should " win. I figured under the circumstances it would be a close game and it was.
Some people on this site obviously aren't used to people who call it like they see it.
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WhoaJoe
Well said.
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WhoaJoe
Well said.
Is someone paying you to be WhoaJoe’s hype man?
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DJO
WhoaJoe is his own hype machine.
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Thanks folks, I'm here for the season.
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Is someone paying you to be WhoaJoe’s hype man?
I'm assuming Goose's posts are silent teal
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WhoaJoe
Well said.
It won't work.
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/04/seton-hall-dodges-quincy-mcknight-scare-before-georgetown/
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Done pretending DePaul is decent
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I'm assuming Goose's posts are silent teal
Goose at his best. Hilarious.
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Press X
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X picking up a road win.
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DePaul missed a ton of the shots they made against us. Showed fight late to get back in the game.
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Let’s do it. Right now. I will donate my winnings to charity. They will finish 8th or better.
Currently 1 game out of 9th and 2.5 games out of 8th. Demons have some work to do.
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Currently 1 game out of 9th and 2.5 games out of 8th. Demons have some work to do.
I only wish our program was theirs!
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Done pretending DePaul is decent
This should have been obvious LONG ago Johnny, but welcome to the club. Anyone that really believed DePaul's non conference was anything more than a mirage, should be ashamed of themselves. A leopard doesn't change his spots. ;D
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This should have been obvious LONG ago Johnny, but welcome to the club. Anyone that really believed DePaul's non conference was anything more than a mirage, should be ashamed of themselves. A leopard doesn't change his spots. ;D
It's more likely that the team imploded at adversity than this "mirage" that got them wins over three big ten teams and a big 12 team.
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There are no participation ribbons for close losses, but DePaul HAS lost a lot of close games.
On road: by 4 to MU, by 7 to SH, by 4 in OT to Nova, by 7 to StJ.
At home: by 8 to SH, by 1 to Prov, by 8 to X.
Now, of course, they won some close games in the non-con, so maybe it's law of averages catching up to them. They also led late in a number of those losses but lack the closers (and maybe the coaching) to finish.
3 and 5 (and more) years ago, they were a lost cause. I don't see them as that now. I'm not the least bit embarrassed that we had to work hard to beat them, and I expect another tough one against them next time. Any win is a good win, even over DePaul.
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There are no participation ribbons for close losses, but DePaul HAS lost a lot of close games.
On road: by 4 to MU, by 7 to SH, by 4 in OT to Nova, by 7 to StJ.
At home: by 8 to SH, by 1 to Prov, by 8 to X.
Now, of course, they won some close games in the non-con, so maybe it's law of averages catching up to them. They also led late in a number of those losses but lack the closers (and maybe the coaching) to finish.
3 and 5 (and more) years ago, they were a lost cause. I don't see them as that now. I'm not the least bit embarrassed that we had to work hard to beat them, and I expect another tough one against them next time. Any win is a good win, even over DePaul.
Further, unless Reed goes pro, they will have every contributor back next season other than Coleman-Lands.
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Further, unless Reed goes pro, they will have every contributor back next season other than Coleman-Lands.
They should also have Devin Gage back, who contributed earlier in the season but has been out quite a bit due to injuries. He's out for the year with a hand injury.
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Arent they losing their SOTG, dude who dances after every basket.
Not sure what the S stands for, here.
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Further, unless Reed goes pro, they will have every contributor back next season other than Coleman-Lands.
If Reed comes back I believe they will be top 3 in the Big East next season. Unfortunately for them, I think Reed is gowne
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They should also have Devin Gage back, who contributed earlier in the season but has been out quite a bit due to injuries. He's out for the year with a hand injury.
That dude is not good
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If Reed comes back I believe they will be top 3 in the Big East next season. Unfortunately for them, I think Reed is gowne
Good thing Oscar Lopez is coming back.
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Was at yesterday's DePaul game. Final score was nowhere near what the game felt like. DePaul down around 15 points all game until the last 90 seconds. X came out en Fuego from 3 and hit their FTs at the end, surprisingly enough. DePaul missed a ton of short jumpers and layups which just killed them.
Charlie Moore is a good pass first point guard but needs to do less showboating and more just run the offense. He also needs to have better shot selection as well as become a better shooter. Reed definitely has all the tools to be a marquee player for them if he sticks around. I don't think his 3 pt. shooting is good enough for the NBA yet but if this is a weak draft it may be better for him to go now. I didn't get the idea that the fanbase thinks Reed will go pro.
Attendance was better than past years but half the crowd was for X. I was told that is a recurring theme for this year. DePaul did have a better student turnout than in the past.
From talking with STHs around me, the frustration remains with JLP and not Leitao yet. They are kind of going through what happened to us last year in that early success raised expectations for the year only for ship to sink once the BE season started.
And Wintrust is like a HS gym compared to Fiserv.
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Arent they losing their SOTG, dude who dances after every basket.
Not sure what the S stands for, here.
Unfortunately that absolute loser is only a junior. Feels like he's a 5th year.
Reed is getting projected as a late first rounder in a couple mocks Ive seen. If he's around that 25-35 area, he's gone. He was very good last year and while his stats have ticked up this year, I don't think he's made a profound leap. I don't think he's better off staying another year.
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Should be a fun night in the Big East tonight!
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Should be a fun night in the Big East tonight!
I don't know about everyone else, but I am rooting for Butler tonight to beat Nova...here's why..even though I can understand the logic of rooting for Nova(to push Butler further behind MU in the standings), I want Butler to win because it then brings MU one game closer to MU. With MU playing Butler and Nova next week...my grand plan is MU wins both, Butler beats Nova tonight, and MU is then tied with Nova for 2nd in the BE. Easy peasy right?? ?-(
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Should be a fun night in the Big East tonight!
Leaky ceiling delaying the game at Hinkle tonight.
Where's Buzz with his towel when you need him?
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Hinkle is a dump
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Emptying the bucket!
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Game delayed.
Where was this officiating crew when we needed them a few years ago at Providence?
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Baldwin 1 for 6 vs. Nova.
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Baldwin 1 for 6 vs. Nova.
How is Nova handling the pick and roll?
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Sure am glad we got Purdue in Milwaukee and not West Lafayette, entirely different team.
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Baldwin 1 for 6 vs. Nova.
Didn't Baldwin only have 2 points or something against us in the first half?
Maybe Nova has found the secret to stopping him, but we'll see at game's end.
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Baldwin 1 for 6 vs. Nova.
That's pretty good for him tbh
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Leaky ceiling delaying the game at Hinkle tonight.
Where's Buzz with his towel when you need him?
Buzz mops but he doesn’t wipe.
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Providence up on Creighton 48-45 on FSN.
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I wish Markus could get the calls on drives that Gillespie does.
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butler up 10 with 5 min to go at villanova
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if butler hangs on, that woulda made a win at butler all the more huge'r
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Creighton 6-24 from 3.
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Cooley showing his good buddy McDermott whose boss tonight .
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Trying to make sense of anything in this conference is impossible.
Baldwin hots a step back 3 to beat nova at the buzzer.
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butler up 10 with 5 min to go at villanova
oops, at hinkle-butler at the buzzer
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Nova-Butler was a phenomenal game. Step back 3 buzzer beater (to also push my Nova +3 bet)
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Wow!
Onions!
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oops, at hinkle-butler at the buzzer
This would have happened to MU had Wojo not fouled. Instead Baldwin missed 1/2 and MU had the last shot. Excellent coaching, Wojo!!
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Everything is working out great for MU right now...a Nova loss means MU is within 1 of them, and a Creighton loss and Butler and PC wins mean, Creighton, MU, Butler, and PC are all 6-4. It's all right in front of MU now
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ohhh, thats 2 L's in a row for the 'cats-fire jay wright darn it!
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Baldwin recovered fairly well.
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This would have happened to MU had Wojo not fouled. Instead Baldwin missed 1/2 and MU had the last shot. Excellent coaching, Wojo!!
so you're the one with the sign in the window
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Potential logjam at 6 - 4.
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Trying to make sense of anything in this conference is impossible.
Baldwin hots a step back 3 to beat nova at the buzzer.
Shhhhh, Bee Jay doesn't like that guy.
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Shhhhh, Bee Jay doesn't like that guy.
Another blistering shooting performance of 43.3% eFG%. Dude can’t shoot
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Tonight shows that an individual who thinks Marquette is a lock to make the NCAA tournament, and another individual who thinks Marquette has no chance to win the conference are both wrong.
This conference is exactly as advertised.
Bring on Butler.
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Solid win for Butler. Love the way things are playing out this year .
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I don't know about everyone else, but I am rooting for Butler tonight to beat Nova...here's why..even though I can understand the logic of rooting for Nova(to push Butler further behind MU in the standings), I want Butler to win because it then brings MU one game closer to MU. With MU playing Butler and Nova next week...my grand plan is MU wins both, Butler beats Nova tonight, and MU is then tied with Nova for 2nd in the BE. Easy peasy right?? ?-(
If we're not finishing top 2, I don't really care if we're 3rd or 6th especially if only one game separates 3-6, so I'm with you. Cheering for results to get us closer to 2nd and Butler's win did that. Avoid 7th so you don't have to play on Wednesday at the BET.
Also, I'd rather be playing Butler off a solid home win than a heartbreaking home loss.
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Tonight shows that an individual who thinks Marquette is a lock to make the NCAA tournament, and another individual who thinks Marquette has no chance to win the conference are both wrong.
This conference is exactly as advertised.
Bring on Butler.
not really sure how we call Predictions about future results right or wrong at present Time - agree conference is nasty and every game requires amazing prep and execution to come out on top
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As I said about Baldwin when peeps were talkin' 'bout his first half ... let's wait till game ends.
Also, Creighton loses to that "crap team," Providence, which now had consecutive wins over ranked teams.
Any Big East win is a good win.
We Are Marquette!
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As I said about Baldwin when peeps were talkin' 'bout his first half ... let's wait till game ends.
Also, Creighton loses to that "crap team," Providence, which now had consecutive wins over ranked teams.
Any Big East win is a good win.
We Are Marquette!
Yep. The Butler and Providence losses are extremely frustrating, especially Providence, but all you can do is learn from them at this point. If we can get 2 of the next 3 we are in great shape. Getting one would be disappointing but would still be a quality win added to the ledger.
Also, expecting to win when we play at Providence will be silly.
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Providence doesn’t get enough respect. They’re a decent team who had an abysmal non conference schedule that really screwed the league.
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Yep. The Butler and Providence losses are extremely frustrating, especially Providence, but all you can do is learn from them at this point. If we can get 2 of the next 3 we are in great shape. Getting one would be disappointing but would still be a quality win added to the ledger.
Also, expecting to win when we play at Providence will be silly.
Disagree with your last sentence.
I absolutely expect to win at Providence and won't be happy if we don't.
However, if we lose, I won't scream about it being the worst loss since Naismith put up the first peach basket and demand that our coach be waterboarded till he resigns.
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not really sure how we call Predictions about future results right or wrong at present Time - agree conference is nasty and every game requires amazing prep and execution to come out on top
About the lock and the no chance part at this point in time.
A good chance to make the NCAA tournament, and not much of a chance to win the conference, sure......maybe.
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Disagree with your last sentence.
I absolutely expect to win at Providence and won't be happy if we don't.
However, if we lose, I won't scream about it being the worst loss since Naismith put up the first peach basket and demand that our coach be waterboarded till he resigns.
Fair enough. Based on how well Providence has played lately I wouldn't be remotely surprised to win but won't expect one. Considering how tough the conference is on the road why do you expect one?
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Fair enough. Based on how well Providence has played lately I wouldn't be remotely surprised to win but won't expect one. Considering how tough the conference is on the road why do you expect one?
I think we're the better team.
Whenever we have a realistic chance to win, I always "expect" it.
Even though I don't expect us to finish 8-0 - that's too big picture and too unlikely - I will go into each individual game expecting us to play well enough to win it.
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Even though I don't expect us to finish 8-0 - that's too big picture and too unlikely - I will go into each individual game expecting us to play well enough to win it.
Guru would be proud of you.
I hope to win every game, think MU has a chance to win most, and expect to lose some games.
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Guru would be proud of you.
I hope to win every game, think MU has a chance to win most, and expect to lose some games.
That sounds reasonable.
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Guru would be proud of you.
I hope to win every game, think MU has a chance to win most, and expect to lose some games.
My buddy guru and I already have discussed this.
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Kamar Baldwin... FR to Sr years... eFG%... 55.7%...49.4%..49.1%...45.2%...
Career sub 33% 3FG shooter
Hasn't been able to improve his FTrate over the years...
yuck
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Providence doesn’t get enough respect. They’re a decent team who had an abysmal non conference schedule that really screwed the league.
If Providence & DePaul could form a non-con/con voltron they'd be like a 3 seed
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Kamar Baldwin... FR to Sr years... eFG%... 55.7%...49.4%..49.1%...45.2%...
Career sub 33% 3FG shooter
Hasn't been able to improve his FTrate over the years...
yuck
If only we had made him look yucky instead of like the second coming of Jordan, West and Curry all rolled up into one.
Here's hoping Wojo has a plan to keep him from getting wherever he wants whenever he wants on NMD.
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Kamar Baldwin... FR to Sr years... eFG%... 55.7%...49.4%..49.1%...45.2%...
Career sub 33% 3FG shooter
Hasn't been able to improve his FTrate over the years...
yuck
That could be the reason Wojo was content with letting Kamar try winning the game from 2pt range.
If he shoots anywhere near his normal percentage, Marquette probably wins that game.
Unfortunately Kamar went God Mode.
It happens.
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That could be the reason Wojo was content with letting Kamar try winning the game from 2pt range.
If he shoots anywhere near his normal percentage, Marquette probably wins that game.
Unfortunately Kamar went God Mode.
It happens.
Felix, Jean
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That could be the reason Wojo was content with letting Kamar try winning the game from 2pt range.
If he shoots anywhere near his normal percentage, Marquette probably wins that game.
Unfortunately Kamar went God Mode.
It happens.
Very astute!
However ...
While I can accept this reasoning for the first 2 or 3 times Baldwin scored from roughly the same spot while no attempt at all was made to get the ball out of his hands, I have a more difficult time accepting it for the next 5 or 6 times it happened.
Definition of insanity, and all of that.
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Very astute!
However ...
While I can accept this reasoning for the first 2 or 3 times Baldwin scored from roughly the same spot while no attempt at all was made to get the ball out of his hands, I have a more difficult time accepting it for the next 5 or 6 times it happened.
Definition of insanity, and all of that.
Based on the comparative inefficiency of 2pt shots and the odds of Kamar hitting all of those shots, I would say it was a calculated move that in this particular instance failed.
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If Providence & DePaul could form a non-con/con voltron they'd be like a 3 seed
I love this imagery.
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Based on the comparative inefficiency of 2pt shots and the odds of Kamar hitting all of those shots, I would say it was a calculated move that in this particular instance failed.
Yes, you have made another fantastic point.
It did, indeed, fail.
Eight times.
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Very astute!
However ...
While I can accept this reasoning for the first 2 or 3 times Baldwin scored from roughly the same spot while no attempt at all was made to get the ball out of his hands, I have a more difficult time accepting it for the next 5 or 6 times it happened.
Definition of insanity, and all of that.
Agreed, we've seen Wojo switch up defensive looks with success this year, most recently vs. DePaul. I'm sure they've analyzed the film to a gut-wrenching degree and hopefully have learned from it. Next time that's happening, I'd very much like to see a different look thrown at a guy a few times down, even if you ultimately go back to your base D. Just get him out of his rhythm.
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Yep. The Butler and Providence losses are extremely frustrating, especially Providence, but all you can do is learn from them at this point. If we can get 2 of the next 3 we are in great shape. Getting one would be disappointing but would still be a quality win added to the ledger.
Also, expecting to win when we play at Providence will be silly.
Butler one is more frustrating for me.
Woulda been a huge road win especially NET wise and we led basically the whole game.
At least the Providence game was more of a “not your night” game that was close throughout and down for most of it
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Agreed, we've seen Wojo switch up defensive looks with success this year, most recently vs. DePaul. I'm sure they've analyzed the film to a gut-wrenching degree and hopefully have learned from it. Next time that's happening, I'd very much like to see a different look thrown at a guy a few times down, even if you ultimately go back to your base D. Just get him out of his rhythm.
Here's hoping.
Butler one is more frustrating for me.
Woulda been a huge road win especially NET wise and we led basically the whole game.
At least the Providence game was more of a “not your night” game that was close throughout and down for most of it
Agreed.
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Yes, you have made another fantastic point.
It did, indeed, fail.
Eight times.
You do realize there are two ends of the court right??
If Marquette had hit one more three in that stretch they would have won the game.
Based on Wojo's offensive philosophy, that was probably part of the calculation.
You think??
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Butler one is more frustrating for me.
Woulda been a huge road win especially NET wise and we led basically the whole game.
At least the Providence game was more of a “not your night” game that was close throughout and down for most of it
Can't argue with that. Butler would have been the better win and would have more than made up for the Providence loss. For Butler is moreso how we lost than that we lost.
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You do realize there are two ends of the court right??
If Marquette had hit one more three in that stretch they would have won the game.
Based on Wojo's offensive philosophy, that was probably part of the calculation.
You think??
It's the ol' "Let 'em score whenever they want; we'll just hit another 3!" strategy employed by so many championship coaches over the decades. Never fails!
Thanks for educating the rest of us, fine sir (or madam or ?)
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It's the ol' "Let 'em score whenever they want; we'll just hit another 3!" strategy employed by so many championship coaches over the decades. Never fails!
Thanks for educating the rest of us, fine sir (or madam or ?)
No, it's the ol' willing to live with your opponent taking contested low efficiency 2pt shots while relying on your teams usually consistent 3pt shooting within the offense to carry the day strategy.
It isn't a novel idea.
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Thank you for your insight
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Thank you for your insight
I don't consider pointing out the obvious to someone who is clueless particularly insightful. It really shouldn't be necessary.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/4600376002
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I don't consider pointing out the obvious to someone who is clueless particularly insightful. It really shouldn't be necessary.
Thank you for your kindness to the clueless.
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No, it's the ol' willing to live with your opponent taking contested low efficiency 2pt shots while relying on your teams usually consistent 3pt shooting within the offense to carry the day strategy.
It isn't a novel idea.
Thank you for helping the rest of us better understand basketball.
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Can't argue with that. Butler would have been the better win and would have more than made up for the Providence loss. For Butler is moreso how we lost than that we lost.
Butler loss was a heartbreaker. In my eyes, MU made that one up against Xavier though even though it technically wasn’t quite as good as far as the NET goes. They really snatched that one from defeat.
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Thank you for your kindness to the clueless.
That post was clearly intended for the clueless members of scoop, so if you're thanking me, well............
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That post was clearly intended for the clueless members scoop, so if you're thanking me, well............
This is how you react to one thanking you for your kindness to the less fortunate? I don’t know that I’ve ever been sadder.
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Thank you for helping the rest of us better understand basketball.
Ypu would think on a MUBB fan site no one should have to, but there are obviously a few oblivious people still struggling to grasp the more basic concepts.
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Ypu would think on a MUBB fan site no one should have to, but there are obviously a few oblivious people still struggling to grasp the more basic concepts.
It’s (usually) a thankless job but somebody’s gotta do it. No longer. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Butler loss was a heartbreaker. In my eyes, MU made that one up against Xavier though even though it technically wasn’t quite as good as far as the NET goes. They really snatched that one from defeat.
X n Butler a wash, providence is the real kick in the nuts. Top 20 n 7-3 in conference if they dont hit that prayer.
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It's the ol' "Let 'em score whenever they want; we'll just hit another 3!" strategy employed by so many championship coaches over the decades. Never fails!
Thanks for educating the rest of us, fine sir (or madam or ?)
LOL!
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I don't consider pointing out the obvious to someone who is clueless particularly insightful. It really shouldn't be necessary.
Thanks for your input
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bannersontheparkway.com/platform/amp/2020/2/5/21120966/xavier-needs-to-hold-serve-at-cintas-to-make-the-tournament-big-east-basketball
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bannersontheparkway.com/platform/amp/2020/2/5/21120966/xavier-needs-to-hold-serve-at-cintas-to-make-the-tournament-big-east-basketball
WHAT A SHOUT OUT TO BREW! “Analytical genius”. That’s cool stuff.
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WHAT A SHOUT OUT TO BREW! “Analytical genius”. That’s cool stuff.
;D ;D ;D
I'll take it, though something tells me they have a biased opinion based more on my conclusions than my body of work on the whole.
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;D ;D ;D
I'll take it, though something tells me they have a biased opinion based more on my conclusions than my body of work on the whole.
Not bad for a water hose jockey.
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Seton Hall Nova Analysis
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.app.com/amp/4639934002
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/08/seton-hall-win-over-villanova-would-be-huge-on-all-levels/
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DePaul doing what DePaul does best. What happened to McClung? Gtown is absolutely going to run out of gas only playing 6.
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DePaul doing what DePaul does best. What happened to McClung? Gtown is absolutely going to run out of gas only playing 6.
They lost the Turk today too.
Played the final like 11 minutes with 5 guys until 1 fouled out and they went with Warm Body George.
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DePaul doing what DePaul does best. What happened to McClung? Gtown is absolutely going to run out of gas only playing 6.
Injured his foot in practice.
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Conflicted on the Nova/Seton Hall game. Any team we should be particularly cheering for? If Nova lost and MU won tomorrow, that would bring MU in a tie for second place heading into the Nova game Wednesday.
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Seton Hall to LOSE, Every time ! ! ! 8-)
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So why is Nova wearing Michigan hand-me-downs.
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At least the Providence game was more of a “not your night” game that was close throughout and down for most of it
See up by three with eight seconds left thread.
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See up by three with eight seconds left thread.
For what?
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Solid road win for The Hall.
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Damn, strange feeling to be rooting for Nova, but really wanted them to beat Hall today. Would have made the conference race much more compelling. Hall firmly in the driver's seat now. Wild for Nova to lose 2 in a row at home. Gonna be really fired up v. MU. Crucial for MU to get the W tomorrow!
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Damn, strange feeling to be rooting for Nova, but really wanted them to beat Hall today. Would have made the conference race much more compelling. Hall firmly in the driver's seat now. Wild for Nova to lose 2 in a row at home. Gonna be really fired up v. MU. Crucial for MU to get the W tomorrow!
Yeah I wanted a Nova win there.
I was never expecting victory on Wednesday but really hard to see them losing 4 in a row with 3 of them being at home.
THey will be due to make it rain, which is kinda the norm for us on the road. Face teams/players when they blackout.
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3 losses in a row? Including the biggest game of the season at home? Fire Jay Wright!
Creighton losing big to "crap team" Providence? Fire McDermott!
Nova tried hard Saturday and lost at home. They won't try any harder Wednesday at home against us.
Each game is its own deal. We're gonna beat 'em Wednesday, but first take care of Butler tomorrow.
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Seton Hall sucks
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3 losses in a row? Including the biggest game of the season at home? Fire Jay Wright!
Creighton losing big to "crap team" Providence? Fire McDermott!
Does this really have to happen every time a very accomplished coach loses?
In my opinion, it doesn't help to make any point regarding Wojo to compare him to coaches that have multiple Final Fours and National Championships on their resumes.
Jay Wright has more NCs than Wojo has Tourney wins. How are they comparable at all?
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Mamu starting to get back in form for The Hall.
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Does this really have to happen every time a very accomplished coach loses?
In my opinion, it doesn't help to make any point regarding Wojo to compare him to coaches that have multiple Final Fours and National Championships on their resumes.
Jay Wright has more NCs than Wojo has Tourney wins. How are they comparable at all?
It just gets exhausting that every MU loss is accompanied by a dozen (at least) "Wojo is the worst ever" posts, and that most wins are dismissed by "Oh, they are a crap team we should have beaten anyway."
So I guess this is my intentionally over-the-top counter to it.
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It just gets exhausting that every MU loss is accompanied by a dozen (at least) "Wojo is the worst ever" posts, and that most wins are dismissed by "Oh, they are a crap team we should have beaten anyway."
So I guess this is my intentionally over-the-top counter to it.
Which is just as exhausting. So...congrats???
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It just gets exhausting that every MU loss is accompanied by a dozen (at least) "Wojo is the worst ever" posts, and that most wins are dismissed by "Oh, they are a crap team we should have beaten anyway."
So I guess this is my intentionally over-the-top counter to it.
It has gotten a little obnoxious at this point. It’s great that you are a strong Wojo backer, but, when you consistently do this thing with very accomplished coaches - it rings hollow.
The frustrations and complaints here will markedly decrease once Wojo gets us to a Sweet 16, Elite 8, etc. the patience/tolerance leash gets much longer at that point.
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Does this really have to happen every time a very accomplished coach loses?
In my opinion, it doesn't help to make any point regarding Wojo to compare him to coaches that have multiple Final Fours and National Championships on their resumes.
Jay Wright has more NCs than Wojo has Tourney wins. How are they comparable at all?
And the reverse, when Wojo loses a game (players usually lose by the way) do we need the histrionics from some here. Right back at you.
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It has gotten a little obnoxious at this point. It’s great that you are a strong Wojo backer, but, when you consistently do this thing with very accomplished coaches - it rings hollow.
The frustrations and complaints here will markedly decrease once Wojo gets us to a Sweet 16, Elite 8, etc. the patience/tolerance leash gets much longer at that point.
Then shut your mouth until March comes around where he has a chance to actually do it.....otherwise it is obnoxious and exhausting.
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I will try to do this less because I understand that ...
... oh wait ...
Fire Bob Huggins!
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For what?
Cuz the PC game was won, then blown. My point being I thought that loss was worse. But, to each his own.
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Cuz the PC game was won, then blown. My point being I thought that loss was worse. But, to each his own.
Nothing what I said in your quote was incorrect. It was a back and forth game and one that we trailed more often than led.
The game wasn't blown. Dude hit a tough shot he doesnt normally hit.
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Yeah I wanted a Nova win there.
I was never expecting victory on Wednesday but really hard to see them losing 4 in a row with 3 of them being at home.
THey will be due to make it rain, which is kinda the norm for us on the road. Face teams/players when they blackout.
Agree, except that a Nova loss gives us a shot at second.
We’ll need to bring it Wednesday.
My only hope is that we’re 7 - 4 when we meet them.
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Creighton leading St. John's on CBSSN, 49-43. Early in the 2nd half.
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It just gets exhausting that every MU loss is accompanied by a dozen (at least) "Wojo is the worst ever" posts, and that most wins are dismissed by "Oh, they are a crap team we should have beaten anyway."
So I guess this is my intentionally over-the-top counter to it.
Well that is definitely true, so fair enough. But should making this place as obnoxious as possible be the goal?
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I will try to do this less because I understand that ...
... oh wait ...
Fire Bob Huggins!
Can't lie. I laughed.
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The Johnnies and Creighton in a shootout 65-60 Creighton 10:24 left second
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I will try to do this less because I understand that ...
... oh wait ...
Fire Bob Huggins!
SMH, this gets so exhausting reading this every single time a Coach loses a game. Look, you're going to counter with "it gets equally exhausting reading fire Wojo after every loss". Me personally, I have said numerous times, my biggest issue is losing games at home against teams you should absolutely beat. like Providence. If you think this is exclusive to MU fans and this board, I suggest you "get out more" and read other message boards. In fact, I was on the Memphis board earlier...and guess what?? They went Penny gone, and have said that it is INEXCUSABLE to lose games at home to South Florida, SMU and Georgia. All teams they feel they should have/and expected to beat at home.
Go visit the Indiana board and see what they are saying about losing to Purdue at home today( a team that couldn't win a road game to save their life this year). It goes on everywhere Mike.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, there is nothing that makes me more pissed off following my favorite teams then when they drop a game at home to someone they had no business losing to. Because almost inevitably it ends up costing you something significant at the end of the year. It's uncanny, how it's correlated. Just one quick example from this very season in the NFL...The Packers only home loss this year was to the Eagles, a team that had no business walking into Lambeau and winning. I was pissed, I knew at the time it would cost them something significant..Lo and behold..guess what?? They win that game, they play the NFC Championship game at home instead of in SF.
You're a Coach, so you should know this, but ask any Coach in any sport, and they will tell you the #1 most important thing you can do is win games at home. Especially against teams you have no business losing to. Now you will say (it happens...Duke vs SFA). Sure, it happens, but me personally, I couldn't care less about who else loses to who on their home floor/field. It does NOTHING to make me say "oh well then that Excuses the Packers or MU for losing that game at home to (insert crap opponent). I want my teams to be better than that.
It is 100% complete fallacy and not even possible to do when people say "well, they just have to get that back on the road somewhere". Doesn't work like that. Once you lose a game at home, there isn't anything you can do to "make up for it". Nothing, it's gone. It's like people who say "I gotta catch up on some sleep". That's an impossibility, once you lose it, there's no "catching up" or getting it back.
Had MU not lost that game at home to PC...where would they be right now?? 6-3 and with a win tomorrow, in 2nd place, and only two games behind Hall for 1st...that's doable. But instead, they are tied for third currently and 3 games behind Hall...a significant difference.
So yes, losing games at home to teams you have ZERO business losing to is maddening, frustrating and it infuriates me(and obviously fans from other schools to). Again, it will almost always end up costing you something by the end of the year.
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Creighton pulling away from The Johnnies 87-72 4:12 left
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SMH, this gets so exhausting reading this every single time a Coach loses a game. Look, you're going to counter with "it gets equally exhausting reading fire Wojo after every loss". Me personally, I have said numerous times, my biggest issue is losing games at home against teams you should absolutely beat. like Providence. If you think this is exclusive to MU fans and this board, I suggest you "get out more" and read other message boards. In fact, I was on the Memphis board earlier...and guess what?? They went Penny gone, and have said that it is INEXCUSABLE to lose games at home to South Florida, SMU and Georgia. All teams they feel they should have/and expected to beat at home.
Go visit the Indiana board and see what they are saying about losing to Purdue at home today( a team that couldn't win a road game to save their life this year). It goes on everywhere Mike.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, there is nothing that makes me more pissed off following my favorite teams then when they drop a game at home to someone they had no business losing to. Because almost inevitably it ends up costing you something significant at the end of the year. It's uncanny, how it's correlated. Just one quick example from this very season in the NFL...The Packers only home loss this year was to the Eagles, a team that had no business walking into Lambeau and winning. I was pissed, I knew at the time it would cost them something significant..Lo and behold..guess what?? They win that game, they play the NFC Championship game at home instead of in SF.
You're a Coach, so you should know this, but ask any Coach in any sport, and they will tell you the #1 most important thing you can do is win games at home. Especially against teams you have no business losing to. Now you will say (it happens...Duke vs SFA). Sure, it happens, but me personally, I couldn't care less about who else loses to who on their home floor/field. It does NOTHING to make me say "oh well then that Excuses the Packers or MU for losing that game at home to (insert crap opponent). I want my teams to be better than that.
It is 100% complete fallacy and not even possible to do when people say "well, they just have to get that back on the road somewhere". Doesn't work like that. Once you lose a game at home, there isn't anything you can do to "make up for it". Nothing, it's gone. It's like people who say "I gotta catch up on some sleep". That's an impossibility, once you lose it, there's no "catching up" or getting it back.
Had MU not lost that game at home to PC...where would they be right now?? 6-3 and with a win tomorrow, in 2nd place, and only two games behind Hall for 1st...that's doable. But instead, they are tied for third currently and 3 games behind Hall...a significant difference.
So yes, losing games at home to teams you have ZERO business losing to is maddening, frustrating and it infuriates me(and obviously fans from other schools to). Again, it will almost always end up costing you something by the end of the year.
You sound soft
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It has gotten a little obnoxious at this point. It’s great that you are a strong Wojo backer, but, when you consistently do this thing with very accomplished coaches - it rings hollow.
The frustrations and complaints here will markedly decrease once Wojo gets us to a Sweet 16, Elite 8, etc. the patience/tolerance leash gets much longer at that point.
You’re wrong.
It’s OK when the Anti-Wojo crowd makes new threads and posts.
But if someone who just wants to point out “WE DONT SUCK!” Everyone complains. Get over it. Teams lose. Go dunk somewhere else. You’re weak.
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And the reverse, when Wojo loses a game (players usually lose by the way) do we need the histrionics from some here. Right back at you.
YES WE DO! Cause ners says so. So yes. 🥴
It has become “don’t look at other optics. Only look at negatives!”
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Solid win for Creighton over The Johnnies
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SMH, this gets so exhausting reading this every single time a Coach loses a game. Look, you're going to counter with "it gets equally exhausting reading fire Wojo after every loss". Me personally, I have said numerous times, my biggest issue is losing games at home against teams you should absolutely beat. like Providence. If you think this is exclusive to MU fans and this board, I suggest you "get out more" and read other message boards. In fact, I was on the Memphis board earlier...and guess what?? They went Penny gone, and have said that it is INEXCUSABLE to lose games at home to South Florida, SMU and Georgia. All teams they feel they should have/and expected to beat at home.
Go visit the Indiana board and see what they are saying about losing to Purdue at home today( a team that couldn't win a road game to save their life this year). It goes on everywhere Mike.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, there is nothing that makes me more pissed off following my favorite teams then when they drop a game at home to someone they had no business losing to. Because almost inevitably it ends up costing you something significant at the end of the year. It's uncanny, how it's correlated. Just one quick example from this very season in the NFL...The Packers only home loss this year was to the Eagles, a team that had no business walking into Lambeau and winning. I was pissed, I knew at the time it would cost them something significant..Lo and behold..guess what?? They win that game, they play the NFC Championship game at home instead of in SF.
You're a Coach, so you should know this, but ask any Coach in any sport, and they will tell you the #1 most important thing you can do is win games at home. Especially against teams you have no business losing to. Now you will say (it happens...Duke vs SFA). Sure, it happens, but me personally, I couldn't care less about who else loses to who on their home floor/field. It does NOTHING to make me say "oh well then that Excuses the Packers or MU for losing that game at home to (insert crap opponent). I want my teams to be better than that.
It is 100% complete fallacy and not even possible to do when people say "well, they just have to get that back on the road somewhere". Doesn't work like that. Once you lose a game at home, there isn't anything you can do to "make up for it". Nothing, it's gone. It's like people who say "I gotta catch up on some sleep". That's an impossibility, once you lose it, there's no "catching up" or getting it back.
Had MU not lost that game at home to PC...where would they be right now?? 6-3 and with a win tomorrow, in 2nd place, and only two games behind Hall for 1st...that's doable. But instead, they are tied for third currently and 3 games behind Hall...a significant difference.
So yes, losing games at home to teams you have ZERO business losing to is maddening, frustrating and it infuriates me(and obviously fans from other schools to). Again, it will almost always end up costing you something by the end of the year.
Palpable hypocrisy
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It just gets exhausting that every MU loss is accompanied by a dozen (at least) "Wojo is the worst ever" posts, and that most wins are dismissed by "Oh, they are a crap team we should have beaten anyway."
So I guess this is my intentionally over-the-top counter to it.
I find it hilarious. It exposes the goofy people's reaction to a single game. Keep it comin
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X 39 Cooley & Company 38 14:55 left second.
X needs to defend home court to maintain a chance for tournament
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Palpable hypocrisy
Hypocrisy?? Their FACTS. You're a youngin yet Johnny Boy...hopefully one day you'll learn. There's time son.
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Hypocrisy?? Their FACTS. You're a youngin yet Johnny Boy...hopefully one day you'll learn. There's time son.
“They are facts”
Should have gotten a Marquette education
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I find it hilarious. It exposes the goofy people's reaction to a single game. Keep it comin
Those single games that you don't seem to think matter one iota, loom large by season's end. Almost every single time, in every sport. MU beats that crap PC team(they are 13-11 nw BTW) at home, how different would things look for MU right now?? SIGNIFICANTLY different. Two games out of 1st, instead of 3 is a massive difference at this point in the year. Not too mention the ffect it MAY have on their seeding for the BET, the NCAA tourney etc. It matters...it matters a lot. In time, when you get older, you'll see it more clearly I hope.
Until then, you keep doing you and thinking losses(especially to CRAP teams at home) don't matter. What a way to go through life.
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“They are facts”
Should have gotten a Marquette education
Why don't you grow up son...your generation is part of why this world is the way it is today...offended by everything, everything has to be fair for everyone. Tell us what we do don't have to accept. It disgusts me. You must be so proud.
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Why don't you grow up son...your generation is part of why this world is the way it is today...offended by everything, everything has to be fair for everyone. Tell us what we do don't have to accept. It disgusts me. You must be so proud.
You sound like a snowflake
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Big win for X in hard fought battle with Cooley & Company. Tyrique Jones coming on strong .
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Hypocrisy?? Their FACTS. You're a youngin yet Johnny Boy...hopefully one day you'll learn. There's time son.
Put the bottle down dad
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Big win for X in hard fought battle with Cooley & Company. Tyrique Jones coming on strong .
Another year where Cooley and Company can’t play offense. 114th in KenPom on offense. Shaping up as the 4th straight year in the 100’s for them.
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YES WE DO! Cause ners says so. So yes. 🥴
It has become “don’t look at other optics. Only look at negatives!”
Yup....only their optics count....only their storyline of irrational table slamming because if we don’t win every game. Hysterical
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Another year where Cooley and Company can’t play offense. 114th in KenPom on offense. Shaping up as the 4th straight year in the 100’s for them.
Cooley needs to be recruiting some 3 point shooters .
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Cooley needs to be recruiting some 3 point shooters .
But ones who finally go cold only against MU for a change.
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Cooley needs to be recruiting some 3 point shooters .
You got that right. 305th in effective fg% this year is no bueno. Other than 2017, they’ve been a terrible shooting team. He’s done great work there but that’s been a flaw
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Those single games that you don't seem to think matter one iota, loom large by season's end. Almost every single time, in every sport. MU beats that crap PC team(they are 13-11 nw BTW) at home, how different would things look for MU right now?? SIGNIFICANTLY different. Two games out of 1st, instead of 3 is a massive difference at this point in the year. Not too mention the ffect it MAY have on their seeding for the BET, the NCAA tourney etc. It matters...it matters a lot. In time, when you get older, you'll see it more clearly I hope.
Until then, you keep doing you and thinking losses(especially to CRAP teams at home) don't matter. What a way to go through life.
What you dont get Is virtually every damn team suffers one or more "bad" losses every year. Teams have off games just the way it is. The providence loss wasn't good but absolutely not something to lose our minds about. You just freak out and complain to no end over that one loss. We have one home loss. We win tommor and we are ranked and a projected 5 seed. People give you crap because your reactions are just silly and over the top sometimes. Marquette is in a good position right now with potential to make some serious noise going forward. Just freaking chill pal
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Does this really have to happen every time a very accomplished coach loses?
In my opinion, it doesn't help to make any point regarding Wojo to compare him to coaches that have multiple Final Fours and National Championships on their resumes.
Jay Wright has more NCs than Wojo has Tourney wins. How are they comparable at all?
That's kind of the point, isn't it?
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SMH, this gets so exhausting reading this every single time a Coach loses a game. Look, you're going to counter with "it gets equally exhausting reading fire Wojo after every loss". Me personally, I have said numerous times, my biggest issue is losing games at home against teams you should absolutely beat. like Providence. If you think this is exclusive to MU fans and this board, I suggest you "get out more" and read other message boards. In fact, I was on the Memphis board earlier...and guess what?? They went Penny gone, and have said that it is INEXCUSABLE to lose games at home to South Florida, SMU and Georgia. All teams they feel they should have/and expected to beat at home.
Go visit the Indiana board and see what they are saying about losing to Purdue at home today( a team that couldn't win a road game to save their life this year). It goes on everywhere Mike.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, there is nothing that makes me more pissed off following my favorite teams then when they drop a game at home to someone they had no business losing to. Because almost inevitably it ends up costing you something significant at the end of the year. It's uncanny, how it's correlated. Just one quick example from this very season in the NFL...The Packers only home loss this year was to the Eagles, a team that had no business walking into Lambeau and winning. I was pissed, I knew at the time it would cost them something significant..Lo and behold..guess what?? They win that game, they play the NFC Championship game at home instead of in SF.
You're a Coach, so you should know this, but ask any Coach in any sport, and they will tell you the #1 most important thing you can do is win games at home. Especially against teams you have no business losing to. Now you will say (it happens...Duke vs SFA). Sure, it happens, but me personally, I couldn't care less about who else loses to who on their home floor/field. It does NOTHING to make me say "oh well then that Excuses the Packers or MU for losing that game at home to (insert crap opponent). I want my teams to be better than that.
It is 100% complete fallacy and not even possible to do when people say "well, they just have to get that back on the road somewhere". Doesn't work like that. Once you lose a game at home, there isn't anything you can do to "make up for it". Nothing, it's gone. It's like people who say "I gotta catch up on some sleep". That's an impossibility, once you lose it, there's no "catching up" or getting it back.
Had MU not lost that game at home to PC...where would they be right now?? 6-3 and with a win tomorrow, in 2nd place, and only two games behind Hall for 1st...that's doable. But instead, they are tied for third currently and 3 games behind Hall...a significant difference.
So yes, losing games at home to teams you have ZERO business losing to is maddening, frustrating and it infuriates me(and obviously fans from other schools to). Again, it will almost always end up costing you something by the end of the year.
Guru:
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Guru:
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LMAO
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SMH, this gets so exhausting reading this every single time a Coach loses a game. Look, you're going to counter with "it gets equally exhausting reading fire Wojo after every loss". Me personally, I have said numerous times, my biggest issue is losing games at home against teams you should absolutely beat. like Providence. If you think this is exclusive to MU fans and this board, I suggest you "get out more" and read other message boards. In fact, I was on the Memphis board earlier...and guess what?? They went Penny gone, and have said that it is INEXCUSABLE to lose games at home to South Florida, SMU and Georgia. All teams they feel they should have/and expected to beat at home.
Go visit the Indiana board and see what they are saying about losing to Purdue at home today( a team that couldn't win a road game to save their life this year). It goes on everywhere Mike.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, there is nothing that makes me more pissed off following my favorite teams then when they drop a game at home to someone they had no business losing to. Because almost inevitably it ends up costing you something significant at the end of the year. It's uncanny, how it's correlated. Just one quick example from this very season in the NFL...The Packers only home loss this year was to the Eagles, a team that had no business walking into Lambeau and winning. I was pissed, I knew at the time it would cost them something significant..Lo and behold..guess what?? They win that game, they play the NFC Championship game at home instead of in SF.
You're a Coach, so you should know this, but ask any Coach in any sport, and they will tell you the #1 most important thing you can do is win games at home. Especially against teams you have no business losing to. Now you will say (it happens...Duke vs SFA). Sure, it happens, but me personally, I couldn't care less about who else loses to who on their home floor/field. It does NOTHING to make me say "oh well then that Excuses the Packers or MU for losing that game at home to (insert crap opponent). I want my teams to be better than that.
It is 100% complete fallacy and not even possible to do when people say "well, they just have to get that back on the road somewhere". Doesn't work like that. Once you lose a game at home, there isn't anything you can do to "make up for it". Nothing, it's gone. It's like people who say "I gotta catch up on some sleep". That's an impossibility, once you lose it, there's no "catching up" or getting it back.
Had MU not lost that game at home to PC...where would they be right now?? 6-3 and with a win tomorrow, in 2nd place, and only two games behind Hall for 1st...that's doable. But instead, they are tied for third currently and 3 games behind Hall...a significant difference.
So yes, losing games at home to teams you have ZERO business losing to is maddening, frustrating and it infuriates me(and obviously fans from other schools to). Again, it will almost always end up costing you something by the end of the year.
Wow ... there's a lot in there, guru, and I'm not gonna go point by point because my brain would explode. But here's 3 things:
1. We are 11-1 at home. Eleven wins including several excellent ones. And yet all you can do is focus on the 1 loss. Do you watch college basketball? Have you seen some of the home games that great programs, bluebloods, have been losing this season? Oy.
2. I am not gonna waste my time reading other teams' boards. I can't stomach this board after a loss because people are out of their minds, and even winning 5 of our last 6 hasn't pleased some Scoopers. In my first point above, I asked if you have seen other teams' home losses. In the past, you have responded along the lines that you don't care about other teams, you only care about what Marquette does. OK ... so why on earth would you care what idiots on other teams' fan boards have to say? That's the justification you are giving for obsessing about our 1 home loss - that Memphis fans are morons and that Hoosier fans are insane?
3. The Providence game was more than a month ago. Get the eff over it! I promise you, Wojo and the team have moved on, and it's not because they care less than some interwebs guy who goes by muguru does. It's because that's what true competitors do. Yes, I coach. And what's most important to me after a loss isn't obsessing about it for weeks but saying, "OK, now we're 1-3 and we face some adversity; how will we respond?" Well, guru, I love the way our Warriors have responded, competing like crazy and winning 5 of 6 games. Rather than obsess about a loss that took place forever ago, you should be bursting with Warrior pride about how your team has responded. Jeesh.
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What you dont get Is virtually every damn team suffers one or more "bad" losses every year. Teams have off games just the way it is. The providence loss wasn't good but absolutely not something to lose our minds about. You just freak out and complain to no end over that one loss. We have one home loss. We win tommor and we are ranked and a projected 5 seed. People give you crap because your reactions are just silly and over the top sometimes. Marquette is in a good position right now with potential to make some serious noise going forward. Just freaking chill pal
Okay, as far as every team suffering one bad loss every year...let's use Duke's loss to SFA as an example..they don't lose many games over the course of a season, certainly not as many as a school like MU and others do. By the end of the year, they will still be a 1 seed most likely, so no harm no foul for them. But when you're a school like MU, your margin for error is thin. When we look back at the end of the regular season...what if the following scenario(s) play out...what if it turns out MU finishes one game behind S Hall for the BE title?? Then how big does that home loss to a crap team look??
What if..they end up in a 4 way tie with say Creighton, Butler, and PC and because of tie breakers they get the 7 seed and have to play on Wednesday of the BET likely severely diminishing their chances of making the BE semi final or finals?? Where as had they won that home gamer against Providence, they wouldn't have been involved in the tiebreaker.
What if that PC loss at home, costs them a seed line, or even a spot or two on the S curve, thus giving them a tougher matchup in the NCAA's??
It's things like this that I get so upset when it happens...because it's costly, one way or another. That's just reality.
Again, I have said this before, but I will say it again and it's not to be a jag off or anything, but what other schools do on their home floor doesn't concern me any way, shape or form. Say what you want about it, and that's fine, but just because Duke loses a game at home they shouldn't, or MSU does or whoever it is..doesn't make me feel any better about it when it happens to MU. It's still not ok, even if it happens to others. I want/expect MU to be better than that. Just what it is. Remember when MU had the nation's longest home court winning streak?? I miss those days.
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Okay, as far as every team suffering one bad loss every year...let's use Duke's loss to SFA as an example..they don't lose many games over the course of a season, certainly not as many as a school like MU and others do. By the end of the year, they will still be a 1 seed most likely, so no harm no foul for them. But when you're a school like MU, your margin for error is thin. When we look back at the end of the regular season...what if the following scenario(s) play out...what if it turns out MU finishes one game behind S Hall for the BE title?? Then how big does that home loss to a crap team look??
What if..they end up in a 4 way tie with say Creighton, Butler, and PC and because of tie breakers they get the 7 seed and have to play on Wednesday of the BET likely severely diminishing their chances of making the BE semi final or finals?? Where as had they won that home gamer against Providence, they wouldn't have been involved in the tiebreaker.
What if that PC loss at home, costs them a seed line, or even a spot or two on the S curve, thus giving them a tougher matchup in the NCAA's??
It's things like this that I get so upset when it happens...because it's costly, one way or another. That's just reality.
Again, I have said this before, but I will say it again and it's not to be a jag off or anything, but what other schools do on their home floor doesn't concern me any way, shape or form. Say what you want about it, and that's fine, but just because Duke loses a game at home they shouldn't, or MSU does or whoever it is..doesn't make me feel any better about it when it happens to MU. It's still not ok, even if it happens to others. I want/expect MU to be better than that. Just what it is. Remember when MU had the nation's longest home court winning streak?? I miss those days.
Why don't we wait and see how it plays out before stressing about it?
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Okay, as far as every team suffering one bad loss every year...let's use Duke's loss to SFA as an example..they don't lose many games over the course of a season, certainly not as many as a school like MU and others do. By the end of the year, they will still be a 1 seed most likely, so no harm no foul for them. But when you're a school like MU, your margin for error is thin. When we look back at the end of the regular season...what if the following scenario(s) play out...what if it turns out MU finishes one game behind S Hall for the BE title?? Then how big does that home loss to a crap team look??
What if..they end up in a 4 way tie with say Creighton, Butler, and PC and because of tie breakers they get the 7 seed and have to play on Wednesday of the BET likely severely diminishing their chances of making the BE semi final or finals?? Where as had they won that home gamer against Providence, they wouldn't have been involved in the tiebreaker.
What if that PC loss at home, costs them a seed line, or even a spot or two on the S curve, thus giving them a tougher matchup in the NCAA's??
It's things like this that I get so upset when it happens...because it's costly, one way or another. That's just reality.
Again, I have said this before, but I will say it again and it's not to be a jag off or anything, but what other schools do on their home floor doesn't concern me any way, shape or form. Say what you want about it, and that's fine, but just because Duke loses a game at home they shouldn't, or MSU does or whoever it is..doesn't make me feel any better about it when it happens to MU. It's still not ok, even if it happens to others. I want/expect MU to be better than that. Just what it is. Remember when MU had the nation's longest home court winning streak?? I miss those days.
You should stop being a MU fan then because hate to break it to you, but essentially every season we will have one or more bad losses. The providence loss was not ok. Never said it was. I said it doesnt make or break the season. You have an off night and you move on. Learn from it. It can be overcome if you learn and continue to win games. You're scenarios dont even make sense because you ignore that every team has at least one tough loss. It typically balances out. What are you even complaining about? Is this season so bad you cant even be somewhat content about it. And maybe you're right one loss could cost them a seed line. Who the hell cares? Sometimes playing the 11 seed is easier than playing the 12. Teams lose games sometimes. Expecting zero bad losses is utterly crazy. I probably didnt formulate this post exactly how I wanted since I'm out but hopefully you get the what I'm trying to say here . We lost to green bay and made the elete 8.
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You should stop being a MU fan then because hate to break it to you, but essentially every season we will have one or more bad losses. The providence loss was not ok. Never said it was. I said it doesnt make or break the season. You have an off night and you move on. Learn from it. It can be overcome if you learn and continue to win games. You're scenarios dont even make sense because you ignore that every team has at least one tough loss. It typically balances out. What are you even complaining about? Is this season so bad you cant even be somewhat content about it. And maybe you're right one loss could cost them a seed line. Who the hell cares? Sometimes playing the 11 seed is easier than playing the 12. Teams lose games sometimes. Expecting zero bad losses is utterly crazy. I probably didnt formulate this post exactly how I wanted since I'm out but hopefully you get the what I'm trying to say here . We lost to green bay and made the elete 8.
I am somewhat content with it sure, but human nature being what it is, I cannot stop thinking about how different things would look right now for them if you change the PC game to a win as well as the Butler game. It stings.
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Well that is definitely true, so fair enough. But should making this place as obnoxious as possible be the goal?
Marquette could go undefeated for 3 years and this board would have "fire wojo" posts after the first loss.
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I am somewhat content with it sure, but human nature being what it is, I cannot stop thinking about how different things would look right now for them if you change the PC game to a win as well as the Butler game. It stings.
But why don’t you shift it the other way...we have had wins that offset that loss. Honestly Guru, you are being obsessive over a loss that was a long time ago...it’s a game.
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/02/08/win-streak-late-surge-lifts-xavier-over-providence/4705954002/
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I can not believe we lost at home to DePaul, Detroit and Wichita State over a 5-day span in 1977!
The program will never recover, so I sure hope the guy who coached that mess didn't return for the 1977-78 season!!!
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I can not believe we lost at home to DePaul, Detroit and Wichita State over a 5-day span in 1977!
The program will never recover, so I sure hope the guy who coached that mess didn't return for the 1977-78 season!!!
remember those days too well-thought our season was over. remember, only 32 teams were invited waaaay back then, plus they hated Al
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remember those days too well-thought our season was over. remember, only 32 teams were invited waaaay back then, plus they hated Al
Some have argued if Al didn’t announce his retirement we would not have gotten an invite.
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Solid win for MU today. Nice to hold serve in conference play.
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/09/seton-hall-is-final-four-caliber-team-weve-waited-21-years-for/
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/09/seton-hall-is-final-four-caliber-team-weve-waited-21-years-for/
Would love to see a first round upset. Especially one that comes after Willard/Powell/McKnight/Mamu get an untimely T trying to be all "NY tough."
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Research Report on upcoming MU Villanova game.
https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/2/10/21131147/villanova-basketball-arizin-news-wildcats-seton-hall
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Some decent quotes respecting the Creighton Johnnies game. Looking forward to our eventual rematch with Creighton.
https://www.wralsportsfan.com/zegarowskis-23-lead-no-21-creighton-past-red-storm-94-82/18940813/
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Some decent quotes respecting the Creighton Johnnies game. Looking forward to our eventual rematch with Creighton.
https://www.wralsportsfan.com/zegarowskis-23-lead-no-21-creighton-past-red-storm-94-82/18940813/
I’m not. That is the worst matchup for this team.
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/11/mustapha-heron-likely-done-for-season-in-huge-st-johns-blow/
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/11/mustapha-heron-likely-done-for-season-in-huge-st-johns-blow/
That sucks. I hope he can make it back for the BET.
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/11/mustapha-heron-likely-done-for-season-in-huge-st-johns-blow/
Big blow for the league. St. John's is at 76 in the NET. No one would benefit more from them moving up more than Georgetown, who has a bubble resume but would add an additional Q1 and Q2 win if the Johnnies moved up.
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Some have argued if Al didn’t announce his retirement we would not have gotten an invite.
plus, the announcement was made before the team lost the finale to Michigan.
All but two losses were to ranked teams but only two wins going into the tourney were over ranked teams.
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/11/mustapha-heron-likely-done-for-season-in-huge-st-johns-blow/
Feel bad for a senior with a season ending injury. Hopefully he can recover and move on to the next phase of his career.
The guys below Mustapha on the Johnnie roster are going to have to step up big time .
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Some have argued if Al didn’t announce his retirement we would not have gotten an invite.
Never heard, saw or read one single person make that argument. The absolute last thing the NCAA would have been interested in was giving Al a parting gift. Their hatred was mutual.
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X looking for much needed road win against Butler
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/02/11/how-watch-listen-xavier-basketball-no-19-butler-bulldogs/4711811002/
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Never heard, saw or read one single person make that argument. The absolute last thing the NCAA would have been interested in was giving Al a parting gift. Their hatred was mutual.
Chicos and hoopaloop have argued it, so that is "some". I believe we were ranked #16 before the tourney, so we were safely in.
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Everything back to normal again at DePaul.....
https://depauliaonline.com/46280/sports/commentary-depaul-mens-basketball-is-a-joke-dave-leitao-is-the-punchline/
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Everything back to normal again at DePaul.....
https://depauliaonline.com/46280/sports/commentary-depaul-mens-basketball-is-a-joke-dave-leitao-is-the-punchline/
Impossible!
At least one well-informed Scooper thought that it would be a great idea to trade the MU program for the DePaul program.
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Everything back to normal again at DePaul.....
https://depauliaonline.com/46280/sports/commentary-depaul-mens-basketball-is-a-joke-dave-leitao-is-the-punchline/
They can do now what they should have done before - Bryce Drew.
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Impossible!
At least one well-informed Scooper thought that it would be a great idea to trade the MU program for the DePaul program.
He's not that well informed.
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They can do now what they should have done before - Bryce Drew.
Bryce Drew at Vandy:
19-16
12-20
9-23 (0-18 in the SEC)
DePaul would be much better avoiding the retread route and hiring a young up-and-coming assistant or small-school coach who could bring some much-needed energy and enthusiasm to the program.
Our very own Brian Wardle would be an interesting hire, or a guy like Murray State's Matt McMahon.
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Everything back to normal again at DePaul.....
https://depauliaonline.com/46280/sports/commentary-depaul-mens-basketball-is-a-joke-dave-leitao-is-the-punchline/
Wow, that's a pretty gutsy article for a school newspaper. The comments are interesting...especially the aggressive one from Leitao's SISTER. What a mess that program is. JLP the AD is very well liked by the administration from what I have heard, and frankly, she must be because under any semi-objective standard it is amazing that she has held that job as long as she has.
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https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59211.msg1207407#msg1207407
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They can do now what they should have done before - Bryce Drew.
Maybe wait for the guy at Texas.
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He's not that well informed.
Not true. If you don't believe him, just ask him.
Wow, that's a pretty gutsy article for a school newspaper.
Darn well-written for a student IMHO.
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Wow, that's a pretty gutsy article for a school newspaper. The comments are interesting...especially the aggressive one from Leitao's SISTER.
Gotta love her attacking a student writer and asking why he’s not at a bigger sports school. Does she not realize it’s a student paper, and thinks he’s a beat writer? Or better yet, does she think student paper sportswriters are recruited from the very competitive HS newspaper ranks?
JLP has convinced DePaul’s administration that the success of their athletic department as a whole is more important than the success of their most visible and highest revenue generating sport. Unless something drastic changes with that mindset, or they somehow have their BEast membership in jeopardy as a result of basketball failures (which won’t happen), nothing will change. She’s a made man
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Nova fan checking in.
Tell Markus Howard to leave us alone tonight.
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Wow, that's a pretty gutsy article for a school newspaper. The comments are interesting...especially the aggressive one from Leitao's SISTER. What a mess that program is. JLP the AD is very well liked by the administration from what I have heard, and frankly, she must be because under any semi-objective standard it is amazing that she has held that job as long as she has.
DePaul has been in nearly every game this year....better than they have been in the past. They cannot close out games.
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and i thought putting up a "fire wojo" sign in dorm window was gutsy...let freedom ring, eyn'a?
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Nova fan checking in.
Tell Markus Howard to leave us alone tonight.
The same message for Bay.
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The same message for Bay.
Actually I'd turn it towards Samuels, please don't let him torch them from 3 like he's the second coming of Steve Novak again...thank you.
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why did sue leitao -
1)peak behind the curtain
2)sign her name(if it really is sue leitao)
3)even bother to try to support her husband cuz ya know no one ever wins that argument on social media
4)gotta "man up" sue, this comes with the territory
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Gotta love her attacking a student writer and asking why he’s not at a bigger sports school. Does she not realize it’s a student paper, and thinks he’s a beat writer? Or better yet, does she think student paper sportswriters are recruited from the very competitive HS newspaper ranks?
JLP has convinced DePaul’s administration that the success of their athletic department as a whole is more important than the success of their most visible and highest revenue generating sport. Unless something drastic changes with that mindset, or they somehow have their BEast membership in jeopardy as a result of basketball failures (which won’t happen), nothing will change. She’s a made man
Is it really his sister? Or someone pranking?
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Is it really his sister? Or someone pranking?
No idea. His wife’s name is Joyce. So sister seemed to even a reasonable guess, given how passionately they attacked the writer and defended Leitao, given nobody else in the comments was. If it was a prank or a troll, you’d think it would be more funny or sarcastic than completely defensive
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I will throw in my 2 cents. Markus is the best player in the conference and should win POY over Powell or Bey or whoever else. His ability to score is just plain ridiculous.
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Thank you for coming here with class and good cheer. Your coach and program are models for the rest of the conference and most of us have nothing but respect and admiration for both
But... Still want to kick your butt tonight. As it should be.
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No idea. His wife’s name is Joyce. So sister seemed to even a reasonable guess, given how passionately they attacked the writer and defended Leitao, given nobody else in the comments was. If it was a prank or a troll, you’d think it would be more funny or sarcastic than completely defensive
He does have a sister named Susan.
From a news article:
Leitao's parents were born in the United States, but his father lived most of his childhood in the Cape Verde Islands off the coast of Senegal. A son after four daughters, Dave was born 45 years ago next month in New Bedford, Mass. His parents divorced when he was little, but Leitao described his household as "very normal, very loving."
Being the only boy in that household wasn't easy.
"He was kind of a mama's boy," said Susan, one of his sisters. "Our father wasn't around too much, and he always clung to our mother."
Sports became the family's way. Two of his sisters, Susan and Diane, earned college scholarships in basketball. Susan starred at California State and later played professionally in France. Diane played at Providence in the mid-1970s.
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I would be surprised if his sister is really doing that.
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why did sue leitao -
1)peak behind the curtain
Don't know.
I mean, in the classier joints, they give you your own room for that.
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Chicos and hoopaloop have argued it, so that is "some". I believe we were ranked #16 before the tourney, so we were safely in.
6 independents invited. With Notre Dame ranked #15, Marquette #16 and Detroit #17 being the bottom three.
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I would be surprised if his sister is really doing that.
It's not common, but there are some crazy family members out there. Patrick Reed's wife comes to mind.
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plus, the announcement was made before the team lost the finale to Michigan.
All but two losses were to ranked teams but only two wins going into the tourney were over ranked teams.
The announcement was made during the halftime of the Michigan game. MU was up (10 points?) at halftime. I always wondered if the selection committee based their decision on the fact it looked like we were going to win.We basically fell apart after we found out we were in the tournament.
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I will throw in my 2 cents. Markus is the best player in the conference and should win POY over Powell or Bey or whoever else. His ability to score is just plain ridiculous.
The first 35 minutes of a game Markus is better. The last five minutes of a game Powell is better. Once Seton Hall gets in the bonus Powell just punishes the opposition with physical offensive plays.
I actually thought Powell was better than Markus last year, because he would outplay Markus when they met. Ponds would also outplay Markus. I glad Markus won most valuable player last year, but I thought he was the third best guard in the conference.
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Halftime
Butler 32 Xavier 23 on CBSSN
Creighton 41 Seton Hall 39 on FS1
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The first 35 minutes of a game Markus is better. The last five minutes of a game Powell is better. Once Seton Hall gets in the bonus Powell just punishes the opposition with physical offensive plays.
I actually thought Powell was better than Markus last year, because he would outplay Markus when they met. Ponds would also outplay Markus. I glad Markus won most valuable player last year, but I thought he was the third best guard in the conference.
Seems like more incorrect eye test nonsense. Already been dispelled on here that Markus is just as good down the stretch as Powell.
Ponds had better games comparatively cause SJU was a HORRIBLE matchup for Markus and Marquette as a whole.
Markus outplayed Powell in Milwaukee last year, and Powell outplayed him in Newark. That BET game was indicative of nothing other than an out of control clown show. Nobody in the country outside of the tri-state, and apparently you, thought Powell was better than Howard last year, much less Ponds.
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Creighton offense is very good.
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Man, a Creighton win here would be huge. I don't expect Marquette to win out but, it would be nice to get a win tonight and have the double reward of essentially having our own destiny back in our hands. Tonight is the last game of the season where we will be underdogs (per KenPom). A Creighton and Marquette win brings us back into the conference race. It's All Still Possible!
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Creighton offense is very good.
And getting zilch from their 3rd leading scorer so far. Impressive
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A bit shocked that they are hanging in there so tough with the Ballock goose-egg. While the 3rd leading scorer, his contributions are greater. I always saw him as Creighton's Sam Hauser. Mr. Basketball in Kansas and turned down KU for CU
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Butler 59 X 50 3:45 left second
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Chicos and hoopaloop have argued it, so that is "some". I believe we were ranked #16 before the tourney, so we were safely in.
When I am done logging in for Billy, Warrior Dad, and BernFeel I will switch back to Hoopaloop and have a conversation with me.
We were 19th the week before the bids came out and 16th the week the bids came out (post bids). Ranked teams have been denied in the past with a 65 team field, and that was a 32 team field I believe. If I recall it was SI or another outlet(s) saying MU was in jeopardy of earning a bid entirely. Will lost if I can find.
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Nice to see Powell have a horrible game as SHU goes down to 23 Creighton.
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The first 35 minutes of a game Markus is better. The last five minutes of a game Powell is better. Once Seton Hall gets in the bonus Powell just punishes the opposition with physical offensive plays.
I actually thought Powell was better than Markus last year, because he would outplay Markus when they met. Ponds would also outplay Markus. I glad Markus won most valuable player last year, but I thought he was the third best guard in the conference.
I would have taken Ponds last year too. Howard's lack of size and athleticism hurts him no doubt. His shot though, outweighs pretty much everything to me.
edit - Markus' feel for the game is big time too. Big time ticker in Raf's voice.
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The first 35 minutes of a game Markus is better. The last five minutes of a game Powell is better.
Not tonight.
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Butler holds off Xavier
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSSportsNet/status/1227766870171930626
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SJU beats Providence. Honestly, when they lost Heron, I believed they would not win another game this year. They have no bench, nada, zilch.... Providence had 24 turnovers, 24....
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Nice to see Creighton get a win over The Hall. It helps the conference to have as many strong teams as possible.
Also was good to see the post Heron Johnnies come up with a win over Cooley. Hopefully that propels their NET ranking a bit.
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SJU beats Providence. Honestly, when they lost Heron, I believed they would not win another game this year. They have no bench, nada, zilch.... Providence had 24 turnovers, 24....
So much for the prediction on here that the BE would get 9 teams in the tourney. Will get 5, max, unless X wins the conference tourney. SH, Nova, MU, Butler, Creighton.
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So much for the prediction on here that the BE would get 9 teams in the tourney. Will get 5, max, unless X wins the conference tourney. SH, Nova, MU, Butler, Creighton.
Did someone actually predict 9 teams in the tourney?
Why does X need to win the conference tourney? They are currently a 10 seed on the Bracket Matrix, losing by single digits at Butler isn't going to knock them out of the field. They also close the season with 5 Q1 games (assuming SJU's double digit win over Providence moves them from 77 to top 75 in NET) and 1 Q2 game. They have no opportunities for a bad loss and many opportunities for good wins, seems to bode well for their chances.
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When I am done logging in for Billy, Warrior Dad, and BernFeel I will switch back to Hoopaloop and have a conversation with me.
We were 19th the week before the bids came out and 16th the week the bids came out (post bids). Ranked teams have been denied in the past with a 65 team field, and that was a 32 team field I believe. If I recall it was SI or another outlet(s) saying MU was in jeopardy of earning a bid entirely. Will lost if I can find.
Big difference between saying we were in danger if not making the field versus we received a bid because Al announced his retirement
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So much for the prediction on here that the BE would get 9 teams in the tourney. Will get 5, max, unless X wins the conference tourney. SH, Nova, MU, Butler, Creighton.
If you're interested in what was actually said when I had 9 teams in the field, you can read this:
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2019/12/really-big-east-2020-ncaa-mock-bracket.html?m=1
This is probably what you're referring to:
If I'm honest, I don't expect this to hold. Teams like Georgetown and Seton Hall will face real challenges to make the field with depleted rosters, St. John's and DePaul have to prove that their solid non-con wins aren't a fluke, and the league would need incredible parity for everyone to get the 8-10 wins needed to make the field. Most likely some of these teams fall off, but it seems highly likely the league has enough quality to place at least 6 teams in the field and 7 or even 8 are very realistic.
On non-con, there were 9 teams worthy, but at this point I think 8 is only possible if St John's, DePaul, or Providence win the Big East Tournament. Most likely 6-7 with Xavier & Georgetown on the bubble, and even then I'm very skeptical on Georgetown's ability to get the wins they need considering how thin their roster is.
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/02/12/heres-how-no-19-butler-snapped-xaviers-win-streak/4742558002/
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So much for the prediction on here that the BE would get 9 teams in the tourney.
So much for some Scoopers actually being able to read.
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Big difference between saying we were in danger if not making the field versus we received a bid because Al announced his retirement
Actually both were linked in the article if I recall. Will try to find
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-basketball-big-east-ncaa-tournament-success-marquette-depaul-20200213.html%3FoutputType%3Damp
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Butler having a hard time staying healthy.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2020/02/13/butler-basketballs-aaron-thompson-derrik-smits-uncertain-next-game/4754080002/
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Cooley & Company have a talent shortage.
http://friarbasketball.com/2020/02/13/friars-fall-apart-queens-now/
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Big difference between saying we were in danger if not making the field versus we received a bid because Al announced his retirement
Yep. We were in big danger late - lost our last home game and were either 15 or 16 and 6 and closing the season on the road. We won 3 or 4 straight road games before closing the season out on selection Sunday at highly rated (2 or 3 iirc) Michigan. We led by 9 at halftime when Al got official word that we were in. We lost that game by 1 to finish 20-7, 25-7 when the dust cleared at season’s end.
We were likely on the outside looking in when we hit the road but played our way back in. I heard zero, zip, zilch about the NCAA giving a bid to Al as a parting gift. Nobody with half a brain would have suggested it. It was common knowledge that the NCAA despised Al and the feeling was mutual.
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https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-went-small-and-torched-the-big-east-s-top/article_ad6a475c-49e5-5e4e-8450-b219e2095f9e.html
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why no game today?? this is big basketball game day man!!
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why no game today?? this is big basketball game day man!!
nova is playing Temple so someone needs a bye, glad they have the time off to get a little healthier and ready for Creighton
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https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-went-small-and-torched-the-big-east-s-top/article_ad6a475c-49e5-5e4e-8450-b219e2095f9e.html
If Wojo is ever gonna go with a smaller lineup for any decent amount of time, this would seem to be the game to use a lineup such as Markus, Koby, Sacar, Cain, Bailey, with Elliott and Torrence sprinkled in.
Theo at least can move a little on the perimeter, though he gets lost out there and sometimes commits cheap fouls. Once again, it's hard to imagine Jayce being a major factor. In conference play, Creighton and Nova bring his worst matchups, and he has been a total non-contributor in the 3 games so far against the 2 teams.
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Yep. We were in big danger late - lost our last home game and were either 15 or 16 and 6 and closing the season on the road. We won 3 or 4 straight road games before closing the season out on selection Sunday at highly rated (2 or 3 iirc) Michigan. We led by 9 at halftime when Al got official word that we were in. We lost that game by 1 to finish 20-7, 25-7 when the dust cleared at season’s end.
We were likely on the outside looking in when we hit the road but played our way back in. I heard zero, zip, zilch about the NCAA giving a bid to Al as a parting gift. Nobody with half a brain would have suggested it. It was common knowledge that the NCAA despised Al and the feeling was mutual.
You are conflating a bit here. Al was frustrated by the NCAA selection process as well as the politics of the NCAA, but “despise” is not the right word choice here. Al would go on to talk about the goodness of the NCAA in his broadcast years....he had no problem earning a living broadcasting events run by a group he “despised” either.
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Yep. We were in big danger late - lost our last home game and were either 15 or 16 and 6 and closing the season on the road. We won 3 or 4 straight road games before closing the season out on selection Sunday at highly rated (2 or 3 iirc) Michigan. We led by 9 at halftime when Al got official word that we were in. We lost that game by 1 to finish 20-7, 25-7 when the dust cleared at season’s end.
We were likely on the outside looking in when we hit the road but played our way back in. I heard zero, zip, zilch about the NCAA giving a bid to Al as a parting gift. Nobody with half a brain would have suggested it. It was common knowledge that the NCAA despised Al and the feeling was mutual.
I would suggest reading Al McGuire; the Colorful Warrior by Roger Jaynes. Focus on pages 90 to 120. McGuire said no bid was coming after losing to Detroit. Jaynes implied one of the reasons he announced his retirement in December was because he knew this team couldn’t win it all...his last best chance was the previous few years where technical fouls hurt the cause. Jaynes stayed it was a way for Al to tell the NCAA the bad blood was over, don’t penalize my players in the swan song year.
McGuire nit only said no NCAA but also questioned if they could even get into the NIT.
Of course MU then went on to win a series of must win games on the road leading into Michigan. McGuire now felt we deserved a shot and Jaynes captures it pretty well regarding the flight from Omaha to Ann Arbor and the announcement to Kevin Byrnes at halftime.
Again, I said SOME and you can read it for yourself if you think that was his intent...if the NCAA looked at Al retiring as another reason to grant a bid. That is subjective, but the book is worth reading in my opinion.
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Georgetown with 5 guys leading Butler 55-54 on FOX. Unblieveable.
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Georgetown with 5 guys leading Butler 55-54 on FOX. Unblieveable.
This game is amazing. Hoyas with 5 scholarship players available and Butler cannot get a stop.
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Wow - fun game - awesome league - every win is big
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Uh oh ——————
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But to be fair - a totally inexcusable loss by butler
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Butler fans walking out - and Baldwin causing crap - trash
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Good outcome for the conference honestly. Butler will likely have no issue being a Q1 win for MU in Milwaukee, but this can buffer GTown for a potential rough end of the year given their roster issues. Would love for them to finish top 50ish
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Butler fans walking out - and Baldwin causing crap - trash
Yup. And still fouling down 10 with 10 seconds.
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Kind of a double edged sword - speaks to depth of league but a really
Good team would NEVeR lose that game at home to a team with no business out hustling you with 5 players
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Butler is a dirtbag team
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Butler was missing 2 more guys as well.
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Not their best two
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Butler is a dirtbag team
Down 10 with less than 10 seconds and you're still trapping/fouling?
Add in a clear single tech for shoving a guy after the play. Double tech there was a cowardly decision by the ref.
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Honestly - I never thought Ewing was the guy for them but to be 15-10 with what they’ve dealt with is pretty crazy
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Honestly - I never thought Ewing was the guy for them but to be 15-10 with what they’ve dealt with is pretty crazy
Ewing paid his dues in the NBA as an assistant.
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Down 10 with less than 10 seconds and you're still trapping/fouling?
Add in a clear single tech for shoving a guy after the play. Double tech there was a cowardly decision by the ref.
Yeah, Baldwin was guilty of shoving. But, Ewing was ok with the non-call.
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Worst loss suffered by a Big East team this year? At home vs team that was missing its top 2 players and that had only 5 scholarship players available.
Of course, on the flip side, great win by GT
And I'm starting to agree with brewski about Jordan and his jerk-filled team.
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Hoyas were 10-15 from deep
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Yeah, Baldwin was guilty of shoving. But, Ewing was ok with the non-call.
EZ to be ok with it up 10 with 30 secs left
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Hoyas were 10-15 from deep
That will do it........
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That's Georgetown's 4th consecutive win at Butler as decided under dogs. Yet, MU can't seem to win there.
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That's Georgetown's 4th consecutive win at Butler as decided under dogs. Yet, MU can't seem to win there.
MU won there last year.
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MU won there last year.
Once...one time in how many years?? The last 4 times Georgetown has gone there they have won.
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Once...one time in how many years?? The last 4 times Georgetown has gone there they have won.
Okay.
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Once...one time in how many years?? The last 4 times Georgetown has gone there they have won.
Lol
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That's Georgetown's 4th consecutive win at Butler as decided under dogs. Yet, MU can't seem to win there.
And yet MU has won at G Town several consecutive times....welcome to sports....matchups, etc.
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Three players for GT playing 40 minutes, and another 37 minutes. What an impressive win for GT. Not a good look for Butler, especially at home.
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If Georgetown can make a run in Big East tournament they may be able to get an NCAA bid
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Once...one time in how many years?? The last 4 times Georgetown has gone there they have won.
Just stop
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Friars up 28-7 over the Hall.........no that’s not a football score
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Just stop
What Johnny Boy...you don't like...facts?? I'm just saying.
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Friars up 28-7 over the Hall.........no that’s not a football score
Aaaand...soon we will start with people saying how difficult the game at Providence will be because you know Seton Hall is getting their doors blown off there. >:(
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What Johnny Boy...you don't like...facts?? I'm just saying.
😏
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Aaaand...soon we will start with people saying how difficult the game at Providence will be because you know Seton Hall is getting their doors blown off there. >:(
All conference games are tough, why is this hard? If Seton Hall is the best team in the conference, why are they not just smoking them? You see you change your goalposts so damn much it’s incredible.
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Man oh man...MU could be at the top of this conference...The butler and PC games in the "W" column right now and there they would be..in 1st place :(
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Have we finally killed the notion that this just might be the year that DePaul breaks through?
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All conference road games are tough.
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All conference games are tough, why is this hard? If Seton Hall is the best team in the conference, why are they not just smoking them? You see you change your goalposts so damn much it’s incredible.
No goal post changing...are you even watching the game?? Seton Hall is shooting...18%. That might be a factor you think?? You act like it's f'n impossible to win road games, everyone here does...Please go pick up the white courtesy phone in the lobby...It's Georgetown's 5 players on the line..they'd like to chat with you.
When you are done with them, Ed Cooley would like to talk to you about winning AT MU...I could give you 100's of examples of road teams winning just this year...imagine that Cheeks. It can be done! Who knew??
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If Georgetown can make a run in Big East tournament they may be able to get an NCAA bid
If by make a run, you mean win it, then sure. Otherwise, conference tourney games have very little influence on Selection. If Georgetown wants a bid, they need to win games before the BET. Though I do think they're solidly on the inside after today.
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Man oh man...MU could be at the top of this conference...The butler and PC games in the "W" column right now and there they would be..in 1st place :(
And the same could be said about most Big East teams...everyone has losses that the Gurus of their fan base say shouldn’t happen. LOL
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I like how a Creighton is playing . Would like to see them make tournament and get a decent seed .
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I like how a Creighton is playing . Would like to see them make tournament and get a decent seed .
They’re definitely in the tournament
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No goal post changing...are you even watching the game?? Seton Hall is shooting...18%. That might be a factor you think?? You act like it's f'n impossible to win road games, everyone here does...Please go pick up the white courtesy phone in the lobby...It's Georgetown's 5 players on the line..they'd like to chat with you.
When you are done with them, Ed Cooley would like to talk to you about winning AT MU...I could give you 100's of examples of road teams winning just this year...imagine that Cheeks. It can be done! Who knew??
MU shooting 20% in the first half of the first half the other day......do you think that was a factor?
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Seton Hall looks gassed...not sold on them being a legit contender.
Think Creighton is best team in the league. In order, IMO:
Creighton
Hall
MU
Nova
Butler.
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I like how a Creighton is playing . Would like to see them make tournament and get a decent seed .
Yeah...they’re definitely make the tourney my man.
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Seton Hall looks gassed...not sold on them being a legit contender.
Think Creighton is best team in the league. In order, IMO:
Creighton
Hall
MU
Nova
Butler.
I think I agree with this but I may replace Butler with Xavier.
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Seton hall losing to garbage providence??! UNACCEPTABLE. Pathetic coach!! Pathetic ! A good team NEVER loses to a lesser team and if you disagree you accept mediocrity!! NOT OK. This isn't sports this is fantasy land! You dont lose this game!! Disgusting losers!! FIRE WILLARD CANCEL THE SEASON! This should never happen! Only losers think it's ok to have an off night! Pathetic fans accept being mediocre lol.
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Announcers the other week couldn’t get over how good of a sport Myles Powell is and how good of a teammate he is. Ended the game getting a technical foul with 5 seconds. What a joke.
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Seton hall losing to garbage providence??! UNACCEPTABLE. Pathetic coach!! Pathetic ! A good team NEVER loses to a lesser team and if you disagree you accept mediocrity!! NOT OK. This isn't sports this is fantasy land! You dont lose this game!! Disgusting losers!! FIRE WILLARD CANCEL THE SEASON! This should never happen! Only losers think it's ok to have an off night! Pathetic fans accept being mediocre lol.
You're hilarious!! Hahahahah What a true Gen z er you are Little Johnny. Now sit and listen to the lesson I'm about to teach you...okay?? Now there was ONE major difference between this game that Hall just lost to PC and the game MU lost to Providence..Do we know what that was Little Johnny?? MU lost to the crap team that is PC...AT home. That's where the difference is Little Johnny. Further, you obviously don't pay very close attention...I have stated several times that I couldn't care less who other teams in the conference lose to. It has ZERO bearing on whether or not MU should/shouldn't lose to someone and if it's unacceptable.
Also...do we know what Providence's record is?? They are now 14-12 Little Johnny and nowhere near being an NCAA tournament team. I would think even you would agree, that is AT THE VERY BEST...incredibly mediocre...and that's being generous. You are what your record says you are.
Your lesson is over now Little Johnny...you can go play your video game now..but don't stay up too late.
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Now there was ONE major difference between this game that Hall just lost to PC and the game MU lost to Providence..Do we know what that was Little Johnny?? MU lost to the crap team that is PC...AT home. That's where the difference is Little Johnny.
Aren't you the one that says the losing on the road is just an excuse? So if that's true, why does this matter?
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You're hilarious!! Hahahahah What a true Gen z er you are Little Johnny. Now sit and listen to the lesson I'm about to teach you...okay?? Now there was ONE major difference between this game that Hall just lost to PC and the game MU lost to Providence..Do we know what that was Little Johnny?? MU lost to the crap team that is PC...AT home. That's where the difference is Little Johnny. Further, you obviously don't pay very close attention...I have stated several times that I couldn't care less who other teams in the conference lose to. It has ZERO bearing on whether or not MU should/shouldn't lose to someone and if it's unacceptable.
Also...do we know what Providence's record is?? They are now 14-12 Little Johnny and nowhere near being an NCAA tournament team. I would think even you would agree, that is AT THE VERY BEST...incredibly mediocre...and that's being generous. You are what your record says you are.
Your lesson is over now Little Johnny...you can go play your video game now..but don't stay up too late.
Didn’t Seton Hall lose twice at home....including to Xavier who we beat home and away? Conference games are tough Guru, regardless of where they are played.
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PC - SHU semi-bizarre. It was a typical James Breeding night: 50 fouls, 62 free throws, four technicals (including the rare double, and one on the crowd). He is the worst! He thinks the crowd come to see him.
At the end of the game there was a double tech, on Diallo and Powell. There was nothing on TV to indicate why that call happened.
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Guru why you kicking me when I'm down. Cant I vent about my beloved pirates losing? Oh its lil' John btw. Not little johhny thanks
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Didn’t see it but not at all surprised a game involving SHU had multiple T’s.
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You're hilarious!! Hahahahah What a true Gen z er you are Little Johnny. Now sit and listen to the lesson I'm about to teach you...okay?? Now there was ONE major difference between this game that Hall just lost to PC and the game MU lost to Providence..Do we know what that was Little Johnny?? MU lost to the crap team that is PC...AT home. That's where the difference is Little Johnny. Further, you obviously don't pay very close attention...I have stated several times that I couldn't care less who other teams in the conference lose to. It has ZERO bearing on whether or not MU should/shouldn't lose to someone and if it's unacceptable.
Also...do we know what Providence's record is?? They are now 14-12 Little Johnny and nowhere near being an NCAA tournament team. I would think even you would agree, that is AT THE VERY BEST...incredibly mediocre...and that's being generous. You are what your record says you are.
Your lesson is over now Little Johnny...you can go play your video game now..but don't stay up too late.
Get some help, man. Or maybe just get some. You seem stressed.
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Man oh man...MU could be at the top of this conference...The butler and PC games in the "W" column right now and there they would be..in 1st place :(
Almost.
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Aren't you the one that says the losing on the road is just an excuse? So if that's true, why does this matter?
I haven't said losing on the road is an excuse....It all depends on the teams/talent etc. MU losing @ Butler, given how that game went was inexcusable. I don't care who Seton Hall or anyone else that loses on the road, loses to. I only care about what MU does. If Seton hall wants to lose to a crap team like Providence in their house..that's on them. It shouldn't happen, but whatever. I wonder if their fans think it's a bigger deal to lose a game like that than MU fans do...or if they just shrug their shoulders and say "it happens...on to the next one" the way MU fans do"?? Tell ya what..If Seton Hall ends up losing a conference championship by 1 game..wonder if they will rue the day they lost that particular game?? Pretty sure they will.
In fact young fella...you and all MU fans that are reading this right now...take a look over to the left of your screen at the standings..What you will notice is...NOT COINCIDENTALLY I might add, that if you put the Butler and PC games in the "W" column, where they should have been, how much different would the standings look now?? Yeah..that's what I thought.
Even if I'm generous and ignore the crap loss @ Butler and say ah what the hell..Just put the home win vs the crap PC team, and what do the standings look like?? Oh well look at that...MU would be 1..count 'em..1 game out of 1st place in the Big East. Weird how that happens isn't it?? Losing to crap teams on your home floor...is costly. Yet people here continually rip on me for lamenting the fact MU lost that game that they had no business losing. The funny thing is..if for some reason MU finishes out of 1st by one game at the end of the year...I would bet massive sums of $$ That ironically enough most MU fans would be saying to themselves "if MU had just won that PC game at home, they would have won a Big east title". Of course they would never say that out loud, because go damnit that would make Guru right, and no way would I ever acknowledge that.
I wonder if there's a reason that every single Coach in America says the key to winning conference Championships is taking care of business at home and stealing a few on the road. Nah, they must not know what the hell they are talking about.
I can guarantee you that home loss to PC will lend up costing MU something at the end of the year..whether it be a seed spot in the BET tournament(perhaps causing a worse match up), perhaps a spot or two on the S-curve for the NCAA tournament, perhaps even a BE title.
But it's okay, you all can keep on thinking it's not a big deal and shrugging your shoulders and saying "it's not a big deal to lose to Providence at home, just gotta make it up somewhere". You CANNOT make it up..it doesn't work like that. And...when you consider the ONLY road games that would have come close to making that up...Hall, Creighton and Nova..well we all know how those turned out, right??
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Guru why you kicking me when I'm down. Cant I vent about my beloved pirates losing? Oh its lil' John btw. Not little johhny thanks
No, it's little Johnny...first of all you're just a little kid...so that means you get called Little johnny by this elder anyway. Second of all, your screen name says Johnny B...So...Little johnny boy.
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Almost.
Actually they would be...Hall just got their 4th loss tonight...if MU has those butler and PC games back as "W's", which they should have been, MU would have 3 losses and in 1st place all by themselves..But people will still keep trying to convince me that losing to teams you have no business losing to is no big deal and it happens. No big deal I guess if you don't care whether MU wins a Big east championship or not..then sure..it's no big deal.
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No, it's little Johnny...first of all you're just a little kid...so that means you get called Little johnny by this elder anyway. Second of all, your screen name says Johnny B...So...Little johnny boy.
Oh well how old are you wise elder? I mean physically, we all know your mental age is a single digit number.
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Man... I feel bad. Thought Guru had changed the last few weeks.
Wrong. guru. You’re rude, mean, your takes are trash. And your personal attacked are equal to, if not worse than my 6 year old nieces words about school.
Be nicer.
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I think I agree with this but I may replace Butler with Xavier.
Interesting about Xavier. Butler likely to lose next two games at Seton Hall/Creighton..then Xavier gets them at home last game of the season.
Butler sure has fallen off from non-con, albeit not to the extent DePaul has. Wow.
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Interesting about Xavier. Butler likely to lose next two games at Seton Hall/Creighton..then Xavier gets them at home last game of the season.
Butler sure has fallen off from non-con, albeit not to the extent DePaul has. Wow.
Yep. Good thing Butler had such a great non-con. They could probably lose out and be in.
Agree on Creighton. I think they probably win the conference.
I'm not convinced MU wins on Tuesday, but if they pull it off they may have an outside shot at sharing the conference title.
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Providence has as good a chance as any one in the conference to win The Big East Tournament.
Looking forward to our rematch with them.
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Man... I feel bad. Thought Guru had changed the last few weeks.
Wrong. guru. You’re rude, mean, your takes are trash. And your personal attacked are equal to, if not worse than my 6 year old nieces words about school.
Be nicer.
Be nicer?? What's my incentive to be nicer...when I have little kids on here that continually mock me because of that home loss to PC..I have no incentive to be nicer. The thing of it is, the internet and message boards are weird...because it can make people be disingenuous as they want to be. What I mean is, I'm guessing that a decent number of people that continually rip on me for bringing up that MU's home loss to PC was inexcusable..privately felt the exact same way. But because I express it here, the en vogue thing to do is to bash it, even though privately they feel the same way. That's what makes it so weird.
My takes are spot on if you actually really think about the things I say...I would LOVE for anyone here to look me in the face and tell me that MU losing to PC on their home floor was okay. It wasn't okay then, and it's not okay now. I will say this one more time because I'm tired of repeating it...who Seton Hall, Villanova, Xavier, Or any other school in the country lose to or where they lose to them is absolutely meaningless to how MU should or shouldn't do. It's NOT the transitive property. Just because Seton Hall lost to PC at PC doesn't mean MU should lose to them there. I realize that because of that result, it will automatically trigger people here to start wrapping their heads around somehow justifying losing to PC net Saturday because well "Hey, SH lost to them there, so it's not so bad". That is such a losing, polluted mindset..just get out of here with that nonsense.
Everyone has their own thoughts./ideas of when a team loses to someone whether that shocks them or it was inexcusable or whatever you want to call it. We seem to live in a world now where losing is seemingly not surprising, nor is it a big deal anymore. At least to fans it's not. My concern is with MU, no one else. I don't know why no one understands that because I have stated it repeatedly.
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Yep. Good thing Butler had such a great non-con. They could probably lose out and be in.
Agree on Creighton. I think they probably win the conference.
I'm not convinced MU wins on Tuesday, but if they pull it off they may have an outside shot at sharing the conference title.
What's frustrating is, if everyone is truly honest(instead of just disagreeing with me because that's the thing to do), MU SHOULD be leading the Big east right now..but for the Butler and PC losses. >:(
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What's frustrating is, if everyone is truly honest(instead of just disagreeing with me because that's the thing to do), MU SHOULD be leading the Big east right now..but for the Butler and PC losses. >:(
We COULD be leading the conference if those 2 games ended differently. DePaul, @ Xavier, @ Georgetown could have all been losses.
So, sure. If everything had gone right for MU we could be leading the conference. Hell, we are only a few plays away from being 10-2! But we're also a few plays away from being 5-7.
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What's frustrating is, if everyone is truly honest(instead of just disagreeing with me because that's the thing to do), MU SHOULD be leading the Big east right now..but for the Butler and PC losses. >:(
No they shouldn’t, because you aren’t applying the same “what if” t9 the other schools...you are only doing it for MU. Creighton, for example, should not have lost to Villanova...but they did.
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What's frustrating is, if everyone is truly honest(instead of just disagreeing with me because that's the thing to do), MU SHOULD be leading the Big east right now..but for the Butler and PC losses. >:(
If MU was 9-3, that would still be 2nd place. Seton Hall is 10-3.
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If MU was undefeated, we would have all wins and no losses.
Frustrating!
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If MU was undefeated, we would have all wins and no losses.
Frustrating!
I never thought of that but you're right! Dang!
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I haven't said losing on the road is an excuse....It all depends on the teams/talent etc. MU losing @ Butler, given how that game went was inexcusable. I don't care who Seton Hall or anyone else that loses on the road, loses to. I only care about what MU does. If Seton hall wants to lose to a crap team like Providence in their house..that's on them. It shouldn't happen, but whatever. I wonder if their fans think it's a bigger deal to lose a game like that than MU fans do...or if they just shrug their shoulders and say "it happens...on to the next one" the way MU fans do"?? Tell ya what..If Seton Hall ends up losing a conference championship by 1 game..wonder if they will rue the day they lost that particular game?? Pretty sure they will.
In fact young fella...you and all MU fans that are reading this right now...take a look over to the left of your screen at the standings..What you will notice is...NOT COINCIDENTALLY I might add, that if you put the Butler and PC games in the "W" column, where they should have been, how much different would the standings look now?? Yeah..that's what I thought.
Even if I'm generous and ignore the crap loss @ Butler and say ah what the hell..Just put the home win vs the crap PC team, and what do the standings look like?? Oh well look at that...MU would be 1..count 'em..1 game out of 1st place in the Big East. Weird how that happens isn't it?? Losing to crap teams on your home floor...is costly. Yet people here continually rip on me for lamenting the fact MU lost that game that they had no business losing. The funny thing is..if for some reason MU finishes out of 1st by one game at the end of the year...I would bet massive sums of $$ That ironically enough most MU fans would be saying to themselves "if MU had just won that PC game at home, they would have won a Big east title". Of course they would never say that out loud, because go damnit that would make Guru right, and no way would I ever acknowledge that.
I wonder if there's a reason that every single Coach in America says the key to winning conference Championships is taking care of business at home and stealing a few on the road. Nah, they must not know what the hell they are talking about.
I can guarantee you that home loss to PC will lend up costing MU something at the end of the year..whether it be a seed spot in the BET tournament(perhaps causing a worse match up), perhaps a spot or two on the S-curve for the NCAA tournament, perhaps even a BE title.
But it's okay, you all can keep on thinking it's not a big deal and shrugging your shoulders and saying "it's not a big deal to lose to Providence at home, just gotta make it up somewhere". You CANNOT make it up..it doesn't work like that. And...when you consider the ONLY road games that would have come close to making that up...Hall, Creighton and Nova..well we all know how those turned out, right??
What if we moved the DePaul, at Xavier, and at Georgetown games to the L column? That standings would look very different! What if we won all of our games? What if we lost all of our games? That would really change the standings!
Guru, no one is saying losing to PC isn't a bad loss. We all agree that's a game we should've won. I think we just have a different definition of "unacceptable." Unacceptable to me means that its something that can never happen....but bad losses happen to every team, including MU. They've happened to MU every season since Jim Chones left for the ABA. Its part of what makes the game great, anyone can beat anyone on any given night. It sucks when you are on the wrong end of an upset but any season where you are only upset one time is a pretty good season. That's where we are at right now.
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No they shouldn’t, because you aren’t applying the same “what if” t9 the other schools...you are only doing it for MU. Creighton, for example, should not have lost to Villanova...but they did.
Yes they should have
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What if we moved the DePaul, at Xavier, and at Georgetown games to the L column? That standings would look very different! What if we won all of our games? What if we lost all of our games? That would really change the standings!
Guru, no one is saying losing to PC isn't a bad loss. We all agree that's a game we should've won. I think we just have a different definition of "unacceptable." Unacceptable to me means that its something that can never happen....but bad losses happen to every team, including MU. They've happened to MU every season since Jim Chones left for the ABA. Its part of what makes the game great, anyone can beat anyone on any given night. It sucks when you are on the wrong end of an upset but any season where you are only upset one time is a pretty good season. That's where we are at right now.
That's a very clear and patient explanation that you're delivering to a wall.
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What if we moved the DePaul, at Xavier, and at Georgetown games to the L column? That standings would look very different! What if we won all of our games? What if we lost all of our games? That would really change the standings!
Guru, no one is saying losing to PC isn't a bad loss. We all agree that's a game we should've won. I think we just have a different definition of "unacceptable." Unacceptable to me means that its something that can never happen....but bad losses happen to every team, including MU. They've happened to MU every season since Jim Chones left for the ABA. Its part of what makes the game great, anyone can beat anyone on any given night. It sucks when you are on the wrong end of an upset but any season where you are only upset one time is a pretty good season. That's where we are at right now.
Here's how I look at a game when MU plays..again everyone is different...I go into a game when I see a match up and I ask myself, who would win this game 9 out of 10 times regardless of where it's played. I don't apply that to just MU, but anyone. And then because of that, I bank on the fact that this won't be that "one time". Because after all, it's 1 time out of 10, that team might win that game.
Yes, everyone loses games they shouldn't...but it's still incredibly maddening, because for whatever reason it seems MU has at least one of those "wtf, how did they lose to them" games every year
I mean, look at the NET rankings..4 of the top 5 and 5 of the top 7 are occupied by teams that haven't lost at home this year. That isn't just coincidence.
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That's a very clear and patient explanation that you're delivering to a wall.
Not really...because you can't "play" that game...see here's why...those games that he cited..MU is a better team then those three, regardless of how the game turned out or how close it was etc. MU SHOULD have won those games to begin with. Just as MU SHOULD have beaten PC at home and Butler on the road.
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Not really...because you can't "play" that game...see here's why...those games that he cited..MU is a better team then those three, regardless of how the game turned out or how close it was etc. MU SHOULD have won those games to begin with. Just as MU SHOULD have beaten PC at home and Butler on the road.
Have you considered decaf
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Not really...because you can't "play" that game...see here's why...those games that he cited..MU is a better team then those three, regardless of how the game turned out or how close it was etc. MU SHOULD have won those games to begin with. Just as MU SHOULD have beaten PC at home and Butler on the road.
More Chico's than Chico's!
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Yes they should have
No, in fact they should not have and were in control of that gameplay but lost it. This is your problem, it is myopic and you don’t apply the same “what if” standard to the other schools....which shockingly would improve their records, too.
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Here's how I look at a game when MU plays..again everyone is different...I go into a game when I see a match up and I ask myself, who would win this game 9 out of 10 times regardless of where it's played. I don't apply that to just MU, but anyone. And then because of that, I bank on the fact that this won't be that "one time". Because after all, it's 1 time out of 10, that team might win that game.
Yes, everyone loses games they shouldn't...but it's still incredibly maddening, because for whatever reason it seems MU has at least one of those "wtf, how did they lose to them" games every year
I mean, look at the NET rankings..4 of the top 5 and 5 of the top 7 are occupied by teams that haven't lost at home this year. That isn't just coincidence.
Do you know how many MU conference games this year the computers have predicted MU would win 9 out of 10 times?
ZERO
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"Should" is infrequently a productive word.
As the saying goes, you are what your record says you are.
MU is 17-7, 7-5 in league play, 18 in NCAA Net Rankings. And this will change, good, bad, indifferent, on a game by game basis. One game at a time. The next and only game is Creighton at home...until the next one.
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No, in fact they should not have and were in control of that gameplay but lost it. This is your problem, it is myopic and you don’t apply the same “what if” standard to the other schools....which shockingly would improve their records, too.
What happened when Nova played @ Creighton..?? Hmmm?? You look at it differently than I do..you look at it in terms of the "in game" proceedings...or the micro view of things. I look at games BEFORE they are even played and view them through the macro level lens. Basically, the eye test..I have repeatedly tried to beat this into everyone's heads here and will continue to..look at a team's talent first and foremost. Ignore style of play, matchup etc. Too many people pay too much attention to that stuff. It matters but if you bet on talent more often then not, you will come out ahead. Again, I look at two teams and ask myself who would win 9 times out of 10 regardless of where the game is played etc. It's called trusting your eyes.
Here's the thing...if you look at MU's season to this point, and really it's kind of been this way for a few years at least..they typically only do what one might expect them to do..beat the teams below them, and struggle with teams ahead of them in the standings. To this point, they are 1-3 against Nova, Hall and Creighton...maybe not surprisingly, MU sits in 4th place behind those 3. Shocking I know. Now they do have a chance to make it 3-3 against those teams still so we will see how that shakes out.
However...in the grand scheme of things, of course losing to Nova, Hall and Creighton isn't shameful or "unexpected" if you will, it's the potential that MU loses out on when they drop a game like that. And honestly, it may be a small thing in the grand scheme of it, but winning one or two games like that(particularly on the road) is what can start to propel a program to greater heights.
Imagine what winning even one of those games on the road would do for them this year(and potential future years)?? Think about where they would be in the NET, what even winning one of those could do/would have done for their seeding, what kind of potential it would have given them as far as a possibility to win a Big East title, ESPECIALLY when you couple that with an inexcusable home loss to Providence. Those are the kinds of things that "wow" people, that open people's eye's again to the Marquette program and it's potential going forward...though those things may seem minor..they matter if you want to take the next step in the progression from being viewed as a "good, solid program" to a potentially consistent nationally recognized program.
These are the kinds of things that I talk about when I say they never seem to be able to come up big when the opportunity is in front of them. You can cite individual things sure(like knocking off Nova when they were #1), but it's sustaining momentum like that(they turned around the next game and lost at home to PC), that have kept this program from potentially reaching new heights at least compared to where they have been the last 5 years. It's like they can get about halfway to 3/4 of the way up the mountain, but can't seem to reach the peak, if you want a comparison. It's little things like that that keep the program from reaching the status I(and others) think it can reach. It's frustrating, because it's like they are so close...yet so far. I think that's where you see the "spinning it's wheels" saying come into play. Because it's fitting when you look at it through the lens I was just touching on.
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Do you know how many MU conference games this year the computers have predicted MU would win 9 out of 10 times?
ZERO
The computers don’t have the eye test.
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Only one game today.
Sunday 2/16/20
15 Villanova @ Temple, 12:00, ESPN - Kevin Brown, Bryce Drew
Line: Villanova -6.5/135.5
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Do you know how many MU conference games this year the computers have predicted MU would win 9 out of 10 times?
ZERO
Bingo! I am so glad you brought this up Cheeks...this is the problem with today's world...we rely too damn much on what computers and #'s tell us. Some people here that's all they know, I get that, but people like you and I(and many others) were around before computers and analytics and all that stuff were even a thing. How did we judge teams/talent back then?? BY WATCHING them, trusting our eyes(it's all we had). Did we need #'s or computers to tell us how great players like Dr J, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan etc were?? HELL NO! We used our eyes and our abilities to see it...we did it ourselves, and you know what?? It was reliable! Now people ignore the eye test and go almost strictly on #'s to make their determinations..I will never understand that. People let the #'s and computers do the work for them instead of trusting on the most reliable thing(IF you have a knack for it I suppose)...their eyes!
Former Packers GM Ron Wolf once said, and I remember it distinctly when asked in an interview what the #1 thing was that he relied on when scouting/evaluating talent and he said "my eyes". He talked about how you can look at all the numbers you want on a prospect(combine 40 times etc), but the true evaluation comes in whether or not they pass the "eye test". Right on Ron, right on.
USE your eyes..that's what I implore people to do.
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Bingo! I am so glad you brought this up Cheeks...this is the problem with today's world...we rely too damn much on what computers and #'s tell us. Some people here that's all they know, I get that, but people like you and I(and many others) were around before computers and analytics and all that stuff were even a thing. How did we judge teams/talent back then?? BY WATCHING them, trusting our eyes(it's all we had). Did we need #'s or computers to tell us how great players like Dr J, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan etc were?? HELL NO! We used our eyes and our abilities to see it...we did it ourselves, and you know what?? It was reliable! Now people ignore the eye test and go almost strictly on #'s to make their determinations..I will never understand that. People let the #'s and computers do the work for them instead of trusting on the most reliable thing(IF you have a knack for it I suppose)...their eyes!
Former Packers GM Ron Wolf once said, and I remember it distinctly when asked in an interview what the #1 thing was that he relied on when scouting/evaluating talent and he said "my eyes". He talked about how you can look at all the numbers you want on a prospect(combine 40 times etc), but the true evaluation comes in whether or not they pass the "eye test". Right on Ron, right on.
USE your eyes..that's what I implore people to do.
I get what you are saying. But this seems like a recipe for confirmation bias more than anything.
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Bingo! I am so glad you brought this up Cheeks...this is the problem with today's world...we rely too damn much on what computers and #'s tell us. Some people here that's all they know, I get that, but people like you and I(and many others) were around before computers and analytics and all that stuff were even a thing. How did we judge teams/talent back then?? BY WATCHING them, trusting our eyes(it's all we had). Did we need #'s or computers to tell us how great players like Dr J, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan etc were?? HELL NO! We used our eyes and our abilities to see it...we did it ourselves, and you know what?? It was reliable! Now people ignore the eye test and go almost strictly on #'s to make their determinations..I will never understand that. People let the #'s and computers do the work for them instead of trusting on the most reliable thing(IF you have a knack for it I suppose)...their eyes!
Former Packers GM Ron Wolf once said, and I remember it distinctly when asked in an interview what the #1 thing was that he relied on when scouting/evaluating talent and he said "my eyes". He talked about how you can look at all the numbers you want on a prospect(combine 40 times etc), but the true evaluation comes in whether or not they pass the "eye test". Right on Ron, right on.
USE your eyes..that's what I implore people to do.
The problem, GURU, is it is IMPOSSIBLE for me or you to use the EYE test for every team, let alone every BIG EAST team. Teams play at the same time, people are busy, games may not be available to watch, etc.
I am more than capable of using the eye test AND data. You seem adverse to it. Or, what I see you do a lot is taking our best performance and making that the standard we should do each time. Sorry, that's not human beings work....we have ups and downs.
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USE your eyes..that's what I implore people to do.
I use my brain. And my brain knows 2 things related to this particular subject you can't let go:
1. Even though you don't like to talk about teams other than Marquette, the fact is that all teams lose games they are "supposed" to win. Even a "crap team" like PC can and will beat the likes of Marquette, Seton Hall, etc. That's sports. We don't have to like it, but we have to acknowledge it.
2. It's wasted energy because all of your kvetching can't change the past. You can complain a zillion times about who we should have beaten and what that would have meant ... but it doesn't change anything.
It's like a coach complaining about a bad call. The ref calls travel on one of my players in the first quarter. I don't like it and I say, "She didn't travel." The ref says, "Yes, she did." A million times out of a million, the ref isn't gonna change the call. So sure, I could still be whining about the call in the fourth quarter, but that would be pretty stupid. I said my piece briefly and then both I and the ref move on. That's what grown-ups do.
Marquette lost to PC. I wish we didn't. You wish we didn't. But it happened and the scoreboard isn't gonna change no matter how much you kvetch about it.
It was almost 6 effen weeks ago. Be a grown-up. Move on!
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+1. Also good diction on “kvetching”
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Guru would be over the moon, if we were 12-0 and won every game by a point for a point differential of +12...
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Gotta give muguru credit for persistence.
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I'm with guru.
I think it's totally reasonable to look at our best performance...when we really came to play, were totally on fire, playing our A-game, dictating the tempo, putting on a clinic, hitting on all cylinders, never giving up, stepping on their throats, hitting every dagger, giving 110%, playing like it was a must-win game, winning all the hustle plays, leaving it all on the court, making a statement, shocking the world...and then expecting us to repeat that game after game.
Or maybe we should realize this is real life, where people have good days and bad....
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I'm with guru.
I think it's totally reasonable to look at our best performance...when we really came to play, were totally on fire, playing our A-game, dictating the tempo, putting on a clinic, hitting on all cylinders, never giving up, stepping on their throats, hitting every dagger, giving 110%, playing like it was a must-win game, winning all the hustle plays, leaving it all on the court, making a statement, shocking the world...and then expecting us to repeat that game after game.
Or maybe we should realize this is real life, where people have good days and bad....
You people make everything more complicated then it needs to be...I have NEVER said this or implied this...I will say this ONE more time...JUDGE IT BY THE TALENT ON THE FLOOR VIS A VIS YOUR OPPONENT. It's really that simple. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not infallible(nothing is) but if you use that(and your confident in your abilities to judge said talent) and made bets on the better, more talented team(regardless of anything else) you will be right, FAR more then you will be wrong. There's no hidden secret etc. Numbers do not tell you everything..they tell you some things, but stop the damn reliance on numbers so much...especially with a system(numbers) that can be gamed.
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If your eye test says that MU should beat any Big East team on the road 9 times out of 10, you need glasses.
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You people make everything more complicated then it needs to be...I have NEVER said this or implied this...I will say this ONE more time...JUDGE IT BY THE TALENT ON THE FLOOR VIS A VIS YOUR OPPONENT. It's really that simple. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not infallible(nothing is) but if you use that(and your confident in your abilities to judge said talent) and made bets on the better, more talented team(regardless of anything else) you will be right, FAR more then you will be wrong. There's no hidden secret etc. Numbers do not tell you everything..they tell you some things, but stop the damn reliance on numbers so much...especially with a system(numbers) that can be gamed.
Guru....talent on the floor doesn’t play the same way every game....and the opposing talent can have an impact.
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Why people actually argue with or try to rationalize with guru is beyond me.
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If your eye test says that MU should beat any Big East team on the road 9 times out of 10, you need glasses.
Jeesus christ...point to me were I said that?? You people are GREAT and I mean the best their is at twisting my words to whatever you want them to say. No one but me knows what goes into my evaluations when it comes to judging games/talent.
I have news for you, if MU can't/wouldn't beat the dumpster fire that is DePaul 9 out of 10 times, or SJU 9 out of 10 times etc, then there is something VERY wrong. I don't care where that game is played...one more time for the tone deaf...I JUDGE BASED ON THE TALENT ON THE FLOOR. My eyes do NOT deceive me. You grew up in an era of computers, you have relied on them and numbers your whole life. People your age don't know about the eye test(or have the experience with it) because you didn't spend a lot of your life having to use it like us older generation has. That's just a fact. Believe it or not, the more you do something, the better you get at it..strange how that works...the better you get at it, means the more reliable it is.
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Why people actually argue with or try to rationalize with guru is beyond me.
Because he's right..and people can't stand people that are right if they aren't, so thus they feel the need to argue with them.
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If Marquette had won every game, they’d be undefeated and 1st in the polls and net rankings.
If Marquette has lost all its games, they’d be winless and probably not listed in net rankings or ranked at all.
IMO, Marquette should win every game. That would be the better of the two choices. If they had beaten the Badgers, then we’d be higher in net rankings and I think 78 out of 75 times, we should beat them. The problem is, we have too many snowflakes who think losing a game is fine if we were supposed to lose but in reality we should win those games because that’s what we should do. In my day, the coach would be fired after every loss and the players would have to run around Milwaukee until they passed out to teach them that losing isn’t acceptable under any circumstance.
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Guru....talent on the floor doesn’t play the same way every game....and the opposing talent can have an impact.
I have acknowledged that numerous times. NO ONE wins every game. That's not the argument or the point here. I have already explained myself on this...if(by using the eye test on judging teams talent) a team has better talent then their opponent and it's a fairly sizable difference, then if said team loses regardless of venue, to me it's an inexcusable loss. I don't care if the name on the front of your jersey is Marquette, Nevada, UT-Martin etc. The same standard applies. I just happen to be a Marquette fan, so I am more intimately familiar with them and the opponents in the Big East.
And yes, It's not bragging but I watch a TON, and I do mean a TON of college basketball during the year, so I probably watch more games/teams than a majority of people.
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If Marquette had won every game, they’d be undefeated and 1st in the polls and net rankings.
If Marquette has lost all its games, they’d be winless and probably not listed in net rankings or ranked at all.
IMO, Marquette should win every game. That would be the better of the two choices. If they had beaten the Badgers, then we’d be higher in net rankings and I think 78 out of 75 times, we should beat them. The problem is, we have too many snowflakes who think losing a game is fine if we were supposed to lose but in reality we should win those games because that’s what we should do. In my day, the coach would be fired after every loss and the players would have to run around Milwaukee until they passed out to teach them that losing isn’t acceptable under any circumstance.
Aren't you adorable. Typical of your generation. Smart ass with absolutely NO viable argument to dispute something, because you lack the fundamental/experience and knowledge to do so. So let's just be a sarcastic, dbag when we don't have the answers to counter what someone says.
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The "eye test" is why people believe Powell is the run away BE POY and a legit NPOY candidate. The numbers and analytics is why Howard is the clear front runner.
Between the two I'll take the numbers, they don't lie. Eye test is why my dad picks out dominant mid major players as people who should be NPOY and all American candidates.
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If your eye test says that MU should beat any Big East team on the road 9 times out of 10, you need glasses.
Because you’re a computer hipster who gets everything handed to him on a silver platter and participation trophies, you’ve never experienced real basketball by watching it.
Also, did you ever see WarGames? Of course not, because If you had, you’d know computers are the enemy
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Aren't you adorable. Typical of your generation. Smart ass with absolutely NO viable argument to dispute something, because you lack the fundamental/experience and knowledge to do so. So let's just be a sarcastic, dbag when we don't have the answers to counter what someone says.
Nah, I don’t argue with old people who have all the answers when they clearly do not but think their experience of ignorance is somehow superior to people who use multiple tools to analyze things
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Jeesus christ...point to me were I said that?? You people are GREAT and I mean the best their is at twisting my words to whatever you want them to say. No one but me knows what goes into my evaluations when it comes to judging games/talent.
Okay
Here's how I look at a game when MU plays..again everyone is different...I go into a game when I see a match up and I ask myself, who would win this game 9 out of 10 times regardless of where it's played. I don't apply that to just MU, but anyone. And then because of that, I bank on the fact that this won't be that "one time". Because after all, it's 1 time out of 10, that team might win that game.
9 out of 10 times, regardless of where they play.
And later in the same post:
I have news for you, if MU can't/wouldn't beat the dumpster fire that is DePaul 9 out of 10 times, or SJU 9 out of 10 times etc, then there is something VERY wrong. I don't care where that game is played...
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I have already explained myself on this...if(by using the eye test on judging teams talent) a team has better talent then their opponent and it's a fairly sizable difference, then if said team loses regardless of venue, to me it's an inexcusable loss. I don't care if the name on the front of your jersey is Marquette, Nevada, UT-Martin etc. The same standard applies. I just happen to be a Marquette fan, so I am more intimately familiar with them and the opponents in the Big East.
So in your eyes, MU has had inexcusable performances every season since 1971. That's 49 straight years of inexcusable performances....yet MU has only fired two coaches during that stretch. That's a lot of excusing of the inexcusable.
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The "eye test" is why people believe Powell is the run away BE POY and a legit NPOY candidate. The numbers and analytics is why Howard is the clear front runner.
Between the two I'll take the numbers, they don't lie. Eye test is why my dad picks out dominant mid major players as people who should be NPOY and all American candidates.
It depends on who's eyes are seeing what...you can't group everyone into the same category. Some people are MUCH better with the eye test than others. Just the way it is. Also, a lot of the Powell love for POY is because SH is in 1st place, it's really no more than that...so that's really a "numbers" thing, and pure laziness.
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Nah, I don’t argue with old people who have all the answers when they clearly do not but think their experience of ignorance is somehow superior to people who use multiple tools to analyze things
Not implying it's superior...but you obviously are implying numbers are superior. They aren't...the BIG difference is, I have also accepted the use of computers/numbers to analyze things. The younger generation like yourself doesn't know about the eye test, because you haven't really had to rely on it in your lifetime.
Let me give you one clear example where the "eye test" is FAR more accurate then the numbers...Take a look at Auburn..their computer #'s all year have been better then what they really are. A lot of people have said that. Why?? because simply watching them play tells you they aren't as good as their numbers say they are. Anyone that trusts their eyes can see that. But you younger folks look at their great computer #'s and go "oh wow, Auburn is really good again this year" and that's what you consider to be gospel "well, the #'s say they are really good, so they are". And don't get that there ARE things that can/will show the numbers aren't totally reliable. They lie sometimes.
I mean...can you tell a hot chick when you see one?? Or do you have to have a computer with analytics and numbers to determine which one's are hot and which one's are not?? See what I'm saying??
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Not implying it's superior...but you obviously are implying numbers are superior. They aren't...the BIG difference is, I have also accepted the use of computers/numbers to analyze things. The younger generation like yourself doesn't know about the eye test, because you haven't really had to rely on it in your lifetime.
Let me give you one clear example where the "eye test" is FAR more accurate then the numbers...Take a look at Auburn..their computer #'s all year have been better then what they really are. A lot of people have said that. Why?? because simply watching them play tells you they aren't as good as their numbers say they are. Anyone that trusts their eyes can see that. But you younger folks look at their great computer #'s and go "oh wow, Auburn is really good again this year" and that's what you consider to be gospel "well, the #'s say they are really good, so they are". And don't get that there ARE things that can/will show the numbers aren't totally reliable. They lie sometimes.
I mean...can you tell a hot chick when you see one?? Or do you have to have a computer with analytics and numbers to determine which one's are hot and which one's are not?? See what I'm saying??
The numbers say Auburn is wildly overrated
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The numbers say Auburn is wildly overrated
I think you're turning a corner here Rico...you are admitting that numbers aren't perfect and they can/do lie, right?? What's interesting about this is, they eyes in this example are the only reliable thing you can use to evaluate Auburn(because you admit the #'s aren't reliable with them). There would be no other way to know that the numbers say Auburn is better then what they really are. The eyes know...but again, you also have to know what you're looking at/for.
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I think you're turning a corner here Rico...you are admitting that numbers aren't perfect and they can/do lie, right?? What's interesting about this is, they eyes in this example are the only reliable thing you can use to evaluate Auburn(because you admit the #'s aren't reliable with them). There would be no other way to know that the numbers say Auburn is better then what they really are. The eyes know...but again, you also have to know what you're looking at/for.
The eyes tell me they’re wildly overrated
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Why people actually argue with or try to rationalize with guru is beyond me.
I learned a long time ago it takes two to have a dysfunctional relationship. Some get off on it and it’s usually the ones who claim to be the most outraged by him.
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It depends on who's eyes are seeing what...you can't group everyone into the same category. Some people are MUCH better with the eye test than others. Just the way it is. Also, a lot of the Powell love for POY is because SH is in 1st place, it's really no more than that...so that's really a "numbers" thing, and pure laziness.
So what you're basically saying is *your eye test is the one that's right. Not "the eye test" because of course everybody can draw different conclusions when seeing the same thing. Numbers don't have that bias
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Villanova outscored Temple 50-26 in the 2nd half to win by 20. Whatever happened at halftime worked.
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Nova Non Conference win by big margin over Temple very help to the Big East Cause.
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Thanks for the score.....now some get back to arguing.
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Jeesus christ...point to me were I said that?? You people are GREAT and I mean the best their is at twisting my words to whatever you want them to say. No one but me knows what goes into my evaluations when it comes to judging games/talent.
I have news for you, if MU can't/wouldn't beat the dumpster fire that is DePaul 9 out of 10 times, or SJU 9 out of 10 times etc, then there is something VERY wrong. I don't care where that game is played...one more time for the tone deaf...I JUDGE BASED ON THE TALENT ON THE FLOOR. My eyes do NOT deceive me. You grew up in an era of computers, you have relied on them and numbers your whole life. People your age don't know about the eye test(or have the experience with it) because you didn't spend a lot of your life having to use it like us older generation has. That's just a fact. Believe it or not, the more you do something, the better you get at it..strange how that works...the better you get at it, means the more reliable it is.
You've now attacked multiple posters based on their perceived age. Please share, oh wise one, how old are you? I'm curious how many years of wisdom your posts are based on.
Also, saying someone younger than you doesn't know about the eye test is laughable.
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Jeesus christ...point to me were I said that?? You people are GREAT and I mean the best their is at twisting my words to whatever you want them to say. No one but me knows what goes into my evaluations when it comes to judging games/talent.
I have news for you, if MU can't/wouldn't beat the dumpster fire that is DePaul 9 out of 10 times, or SJU 9 out of 10 times etc, then there is something VERY wrong. I don't care where that game is played...one more time for the tone deaf...I JUDGE BASED ON THE TALENT ON THE FLOOR. My eyes do NOT deceive me. You grew up in an era of computers, you have relied on them and numbers your whole life. People your age don't know about the eye test(or have the experience with it) because you didn't spend a lot of your life having to use it like us older generation has. That's just a fact. Believe it or not, the more you do something, the better you get at it..strange how that works...the better you get at it, means the more reliable it is.
I’m older than you and think TAMU is more right than you are.
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Believe it or not, the more you do something, the better you get at it..strange how that works...the better you get at it, means the more reliable it is.
Your posts are a real outlier to this theory.
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First, than vs then. How old is guru? 90? I mean calling everyone son, boy, child. Is he for real or a rodent troll? If for real then help is needed.
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The thing of it is, the internet and message boards are weird...because it can make people be disingenuous as they want to be. What I mean is, I'm guessing that a decent number of people that continually rip on me for bringing up that MU's home loss to PC was inexcusable..privately felt the exact same way. But because I express it here, the en vogue thing to do is to bash it, even though privately they feel the same way.
Hold on...So lots of people secretly agree with you but they pretend to criticize you because that is more popular???
Your mental state is certainly...something.
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Why people actually argue with or try to rationalize with guru is beyond me.
It's kind of a game. We (or at least I) don't expect him to listen to reason, but it's fun to show how ridiculous his expectations are.
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Your posts are a real outlier to this theory.
Spot. On.
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You people make everything more complicated then it needs to be...I have NEVER said this or implied this...I will say this ONE more time...JUDGE IT BY THE TALENT ON THE FLOOR VIS A VIS YOUR OPPONENT. It's really that simple. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not infallible(nothing is) but if you use that(and your confident in your abilities to judge said talent) and made bets on the better, more talented team(regardless of anything else) you will be right, FAR more then you will be wrong. There's no hidden secret etc. Numbers do not tell you everything..they tell you some things, but stop the damn reliance on numbers so much...especially with a system(numbers) that can be gamed.
I'm not making anything complicated. Sometimes kids play their best game, sometimes they play kinda well but not their best, and sometimes they play really poorly even though they are really talented. It is simply treating the players (and the coaches) as though they are...human.
Imagine that....
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You've now attacked multiple posters based on their perceived age. Please share, oh wise one, how old are you? I'm curious how many years of wisdom your posts are based on.
Also, saying someone younger than you doesn't know about the eye test is laughable.
He sounds like the old failing scouts arguing with the stats presented to them in Moneyball
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He sounds like the old failing scouts arguing with the stats presented to them in Moneyball
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Another Big 5 Championship for Nova. I think the Big 5 is a very helpful fixture in Nova's non conference schedule.
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-wildcats-big-5-championship-temple-owls-collin-gillespie-three-point-baskets-liacouras-center-20200216.html
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What's frustrating is, if everyone is truly honest(instead of just disagreeing with me because that's the thing to do), MU SHOULD be leading the Big east right now..but for the Butler and PC losses. >:(
Does anyone really think Mu is the best team in the conference?
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Does anyone really think Mu is the best team in the conference?
Nope and a Guru uses his eye test only for MU and not other teams in the conference = heavily biased and flawed evaluation.
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The "eye test" is why people believe Powell is the run away BE POY and a legit NPOY candidate. The numbers and analytics is why Howard is the clear front runner.
Between the two I'll take the numbers, they don't lie. Eye test is why my dad picks out dominant mid major players as people who should be NPOY and all American candidates.
The best guard in the conference might be Zegarowski. We will get a good look at him on Tuesday.
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Does anyone really think Mu is the best team in the conference?
We might be. It's too early to tell. Neither Seton Hall nor Creighton looks invincible, and neither has had to play us at Fiserv yet.
We'll know soon enough if Creighton really is better than we are; ask me again Tuesday at about 11 p.m. ET. We play Seton Hall about a week and a half after that. By then, we'll have a better picture of the BEast's pecking order.
I think our team stacks up well with anybody in the conference.
Which, of course, is different from saying, "We should beat everybody, and I get physically ill any time we lose."
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The best guard in the conference might be Zegarowski. We will get a good look at him on Tuesday.
I really like Zegarowski and think he could get there, but he's not there yet. Way too inconsistent. He was great against us (16/8/6) but he's had single-digit scoring nights in conference play as often as he's hit 16+ and his offensive rating in conference play is below 100. I wouldn't have him as the best guard on his team.
Great upside and once he finds consistency he has all-conference and maybe even BEPOY potential, but he's still a year or two away.
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I really like Zegarowski and think he could get there, but he's not there yet. Way too inconsistent. He was great against us (16/8/6) but he's had single-digit scoring nights in conference play as often as he's hit 16+ and his offensive rating in conference play is below 100. I wouldn't have him as the best guard on his team.
Great upside and once he finds consistency he has all-conference and maybe even BEPOY potential, but he's still a year or two away.
Offensively he is not as good as Howard or Powell, but I think he is a better passer and defender than the other two.
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I use my brain. And my brain knows 2 things related to this particular subject you can't let go:
1. Even though you don't like to talk about teams other than Marquette, the fact is that all teams lose games they are "supposed" to win. Even a "crap team" like PC can and will beat the likes of Marquette, Seton Hall, etc. That's sports. We don't have to like it, but we have to acknowledge it.
2. It's wasted energy because all of your kvetching can't change the past. You can complain a zillion times about who we should have beaten and what that would have meant ... but it doesn't change anything.
It's like a coach complaining about a bad call. The ref calls travel on one of my players in the first quarter. I don't like it and I say, "She didn't travel." The ref says, "Yes, she did." A million times out of a million, the ref isn't gonna change the call. So sure, I could still be whining about the call in the fourth quarter, but that would be pretty stupid. I said my piece briefly and then both I and the ref move on. That's what grown-ups do.
Marquette lost to PC. I wish we didn't. You wish we didn't. But it happened and the scoreboard isn't gonna change no matter how much you kvetch about it.
It was almost 6 effen weeks ago. Be a grown-up. Move on!
Crap team also beat Creighton. Providence is a really good defensive team that can struggle on offense. They are hard to beat if they are playing one of their better offensive games.
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I really like Zegarowski and think he could get there, but he's not there yet. Way too inconsistent. He was great against us (16/8/6) but he's had single-digit scoring nights in conference play as often as he's hit 16+ and his offensive rating in conference play is below 100. I wouldn't have him as the best guard on his team.
Great upside and once he finds consistency he has all-conference and maybe even BEPOY potential, but he's still a year or two away.
Inconsistent perhaps, but he is still the straw that stirs their drink. Need to make him uncomfortable.
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Offensively he is not as good as Howard or Powell, but I think he is a better passer and defender than the other two.
Zegarowski is a very fun player to watch. The Creighton system is ideal for his talents.
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Offensively he is not as good as Howard or Powell, but I think he is a better passer and defender than the other two.
I really like the kid, I just couldn't put a "best guard in the conference" tag on him, I'm not even sure he's the best guard on his team. Alexander is really good.
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Nope and a Guru uses his eye test only for MU and not other teams in the conference = heavily biased and flawed evaluation.
I use it for other teams too, believe me. You think I don't but I do. I'm just choosing not to share that. Why?? Everyone would just rip on me anyway. I know what my eyes see..I trust them. They have very rarely failed me through the years.
Again, this is a spot on analogy..you'd know a hot chick when you see one, right?? Do your eyes deceive you then?? Same principal for me.
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I use it for other teams too, believe me. You think I don't but I do. I'm just choosing not to share that. Why?? Everyone would just rip on me anyway. I know what my eyes see..I trust them. They have very rarely failed me through the years.
Again, this is a spot on analogy..you'd know a hot chick when you see one, right?? Do your eyes deceive you then?? Same principal for me.
Pic please:)
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I think Cain might have to play a bit more in this one..That being said, they do kinda sorta have a big down low, even though he is only 6'6"...Christian Bishop. Defensively, to start I think I match up like this..Markus on Ballock..Theo on Bishop. I might actually start out with Sacar on Jefferson and Bailey on Alexander (can always switch it if it's not working) and Kobe can lock up Zegarowski. The key will be making shots(obviously). That takes Creighton out of their transition game. 52% of their 3's come within 1-10 seconds after a rebound, and a whopping 55% of their three's come within 1-10 seconds after the opponent scores... Their highest shooting % on 3's(by a wide margin is 1-10 seconds after getting a steal. On the other side of that, their lowest 3% percentage by a wide margin is after they rebound..they only shoot about 33% on 3's after rebounds.
Get back on D and make them earn their 3's, and offensively get the ball in the paint, where they are weak.
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I really like the kid, I just couldn't put a "best guard in the conference" tag on him, I'm not even sure he's the best guard on his team. Alexander is really good.
Agree. he is a really good player, but he is averaging under 13 points a game in conference. I would take our Markus every day and twice on Sunday.
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I use it for other teams too, believe me. You think I don't but I do. I'm just choosing not to share that. Why?? Everyone would just rip on me anyway. I know what my eyes see..I trust them. They have very rarely failed me through the years.
Again, this is a spot on analogy..you'd know a hot chick when you see one, right?? Do your eyes deceive you then?? Same principal for me.
Guru how is it possible for you to see every Big East game and apply that standard?
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Again, this is a spot on analogy..you'd know a hot chick when you see one, right?? Do your eyes deceive you then?? Same principal for me.
I could show you images of "hot chicks" that aren't women at all....so doesn't that blow up your theory?
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/458663543293246751/?lp=true
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I could show you images of "hot chicks" that aren't women at all....so doesn't that blow up your theory?
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/458663543293246751/?lp=true
Good grief. Risky click of the day.
I don’t know why I clicked that.
Sooo anyways, why even play the games anymore. Just have Guru eye test the season.
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Good grief. Risky click of the day.
I don’t know why I clicked that.
Sooo anyways, why even play the games anymore. Just have Guru eye test the season.
If I had not given the clue I have no doubt that a Guru would say that image is of a “hot chick”. Not all things are as they appear....not that there is anything wrong with it....people can live as they damn well please.
Eye tests are great....but on sports they are flawed as hell. How many folks had the Patriots as the SB champs after 6 weeks this year? The eye test is subject to what people want to see or want to not see....including “hotness”.
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/17/big-east-basketball-odds-things-are-getting-dicey/
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The best guard in the conference might be Zegarowski. We will get a good look at him on Tuesday.
That would be a tough argument to win. Overall, conf #'s are fairly weak for him. For the year... turnover rate is a bit high and he doesn't get to the line.
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X 39 The Johnnies 37 halftime
Very entertaining game at the Garden.
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Who does MU want to win?
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We want SJU to stay in the top 75.
But if X can move up 4 spots. Gives us another Q1A win. So I would say X
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Man this pace is making me dizzy.
For SJ to continue to play full court pressure with this pace and a depleted roster is impressive.
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Outstanding game. Love games at MSG.
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19 turnovers for X.....only 4 for SJ.......still only a 1 point game.
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Johnnies 70 X 69 3:39 left
Tremendous Big East Battle
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Johnnies 70 X 69 3:39 left
Tremendous Big East Battle
Fantastic game. Love the Garden!
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St. John’s forces a ton of turnovers but many of these are all on Xavier......wow have they been sloppy
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22 turnovers and will comeback to win the game. Huge win. Quad 1, I believe.
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Big Win for X in a great game
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https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20200218/friars-can-only-blame-themselves-for-bubble-trouble
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I really like Zegarowski and think he could get there, but he's not there yet. Way too inconsistent. He was great against us (16/8/6) but he's had single-digit scoring nights in conference play as often as he's hit 16+ and his offensive rating in conference play is below 100. I wouldn't have him as the best guard on his team.
Great upside and once he finds consistency he has all-conference and maybe even BEPOY potential, but he's still a year or two away.
Zegarowski looked like the better guard tonight.
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Zegarowski looked like the better guard tonight.
And Markus had an off night. Which is why the eye test is a poor measuring stick, unless you literally watch every game from every team for the entire season. Because on the whole, Zegarowski isn't and hasn't been nearly the player Howard has been this year. He's not even in the conversation.
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https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/no-creighton-knocks-off-marquette-for-third-top--road/article_00133445-fe82-544b-b5bd-4707431e2b3d.html#1
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Creighton seems to have done a nice job guarding Markus after he went into Video Game mode that one time.
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21 Butler up at 16 Seton Hall, 34-30 in the 2nd half on FS1.
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Butler looking really tough. Powell a non-factor again so far
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Butler 40 The Hall 38 13:42 Second Half
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I noticed that the The Johnnies and The Hall are only selling seats in the lower bowls. They only expand if there is demand. In fact they close off the upper bowls.
The Crowd is very loud and into the game tonight at The Hall.
Good game Butler 53 The Hall 53 7:35 second half
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Powell tough down the stretch
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Wow Quincy McKnight to Mamu to win it
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That was a crazy good finish. Too bad SH won. Can’t stand that pos squad
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Powell tough down the stretch
If tough, you mean 0-3 from the field, with 2 free throws in the last 6+ minutes...yes tough
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That was a crazy good finish. Too bad SH won. Can’t stand that pos squad
Surprised the out of bounds call wasn't reversed. It looked off of Reynolds.
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If tough, you mean 0-3 from the field, with 2 free throws in the last 6+ minutes...yes tough
He made one nice pass on the dump to Gill, but otherwise totally agree. He also had a bad TO or two that lead to Butler baskets. McKnight was the straw that stirred the drink down the stretch, not Powell at all.
Surprised the out of bounds call wasn't reversed. It looked off of Reynolds.
Absolutely, but I also knew there was no way they were overturning that the way they’d been playing into the crowd. It wasn’t egregious, but SH got a favorable whistle the majority of the second half regardless of the foul balance
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McClung just returned 13:10 left first. 11-5 Georgetown over Cooley & Company.
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I noticed that the The Johnnies and The Hall are only selling seats in the lower bowls. They only expand if there is demand. In fact they close off the upper bowls.
For years Seton Hall never open up the upper deck. This year I saw it was done about 5 times. Michigan State, Maryland, Villanova and I can't remember the others.
Weird on St. John's as they play way more now at MSG. Had almost 15k on Monday versus Xavier. Yet, a sniff of 8k on a Sunday versus Georgetown.
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Surprised the out of bounds call wasn't reversed. It looked off of Reynolds.
Sure thought so live. It was harder to tell on replay
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My lord does DePaul just suck ass.. are there any any stats about a team starting 12-1 or better finishing well under .500. Lol wth
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSSportsNet/status/1230325988619243520
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My lord does DePaul just suck ass.. are there any any stats about a team starting 12-1 or better finishing well under .500. Lol wth
#sleepinggiant
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#sleepinggiant
It woke up, just long enough to take some NyQuil and pass out again.
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It woke up, just long enough to take some NyQuil and pass out again.
I really hope DePaul wins soon. I feel like they will end up with at least two wins in conference. I don't want to be that second win.
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I really hope DePaul wins soon. I feel like they win end up with at least two wins in conference. I don't want to be that second win.
They've quit on the year. I'm not worried about it. But yeah itd suck. That being said, wish we could trade programs with DePaul but unfortunately that cant happen
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That being said, wish we could trade programs with DePaul but unfortunately that cant happen
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/2d095e46c32aa9cb77296f7955c004da/tenor.gif?itemid=9697240)
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Big win for Cooley & Company tonight . They fought hard all night .
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Very pumped for that loser Pantelis to be forced to shave his head when not only does DePaul miss the NCAA again, the NIT goes ehhh
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This may be a hot taek, but if Paul Reed comes back (big if), I think DePaul is a top 3 team in conference next season.
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If I’m filling out a preseason BE poll next year, the first thing I’m doing is picking DePaul to finish last. They’re such a loser program I’m not sure analyzing any data or returning talent even matters with them.
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This may be a hot taek, but if Paul Reed comes back (big if), I think DePaul is a top 3 team in conference next season.
Yeah.. no chance. Zero chance
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If I’m filling out a preseason BE poll next year, the first thing I’m doing is picking DePaul to finish last. They’re such a loser program I’m not sure analyzing any data or returning talent even matters with them.
they have some good players too, I don’t get it
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Of the many schools the rumor mill has supposedly interested in Beilein, DePaul has been mentioned.
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they have some good players too, I don’t get it
I don’t think they have many good players.
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Of the many schools the rumor mill has supposedly interested in Beilein, DePaul has been mentioned.
Beilein won't be going back to college
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Beilein won't be going back to college
I highly doubt he would go to DePaul, who for one thing wouldn't pony up to pay him.
But why do you think he won't go back to college? I'm not trying to start an argument, as I have absolutely no idea what he's thinking. Just curious if you have you read something to make you so certain of this? If so, can you share the links?
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I highly doubt he would go to DePaul, who for one thing wouldn't pony up to pay him.
But why do you think he won't go back to college? I'm not trying to start an argument, as I have absolutely no idea what he's thinking. Just curious if you have you read something to make you so certain of this? If so, can you share the links?
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2020/02/john-beilein-officially-resigns-as-head-coach-will-remain-with-cleveland-cavaliers-in-undefined-role.html
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Remaining in an undefined role just means they are making him come to work to earn his paycheck. If he wants to coach in college again, he will coach in college again.
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https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2020/02/john-beilein-officially-resigns-as-head-coach-will-remain-with-cleveland-cavaliers-in-undefined-role.html
As Sultan said in the comment right below yours, this is meaningless. They still have to pay him, so he's in an "undefined role" until things shake out. This is quite common in these situations. I highly doubt he is going to hang around the Cavaliers organization beyond this season.
No NBA team would hire Beilein now ... but many, many college programs would if he could convince them (and himself) that he still wants to put in the work to recruit to the level he did at Michigan.
I have not read or heard any comments from Beilein - or those close to Beilein - suggesting he is through as a coach. Maybe he is, but I have seen no evidence of that being the case.
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I hope no one objects to my commenting on Big East Conference Results here.
Georgetown put up a good fight for a while but going for something like 13 minutes late in the game (yeah, I know they were gassed) without a bucket was a killer. Kudos to Gtown and Ewing for not giving up this season with the hand they have been dealt with- virtually no bench and 2 starters out. MacClung's status is unknown after leaving the game hobbling, right?
Tough game vs. Providence on the road but they were not overly impressive to me last night considering Gtown's woes. Hope they have an off game on Saturday.
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I hope no one objects to my commenting on Big East Conference Results here.
Weird thread to do this in!
Agree about both GT and Prov. If we shoot even kind of decently, we should roll in our next two games.
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Slurping is universal.....
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/2/20/21145162/travis-steele-is-a-gem-xavier-big-east-basketball
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Nova at X. Big opportunity for X .
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/02/21/xavier-musketeers-vs-no-12-villanova-wildcats-college-basketball-ncaa-what-you-need-know/4804998002/
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X missed a big opportunity.
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https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-wildcats-basketball-xavier-score-stats-highlights-20200222.html
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DePaul won today. We lost. DePaul is better than us
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Much needed win for DePaul
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Good results for Marquette not playing on Wednesday in NYC
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Much needed win for DePaul
Much needed for what? Team morale? For dave to keep his job? DePaul is the quintessential train wreck of the season in the entire country
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Good results for Marquette not playing on Wednesday in NYC
Georgetown has taken up semi-permanent residence in the Wednesday bracket. This will be its fourth Wednesday appearance in the last five years and five of the last seven.
The only school with more? DePaul.
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Much needed for what? Team morale? For dave to keep his job? DePaul is the quintessential train wreck of the season in the entire country
MU wants its potential road win over DePaul to stay Q1
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Markus needs to be better and Marquette as well, but holy hell is Powell playing like garbage down the stretch. Just flipped on SH rolling a bad SJU team, but Powell is 1-8, 0-5 from 3, and just heaved up a contested brick from 4 feet behind the line with 20 left on the clock.
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The Hall comfortably up over The Johnnies 36-22 Halftime. Decent crowd engaged in the game.
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Creighton is so fun to watch when it's not MU playing against them.
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Creighton is so fun to watch when it's not MU playing against them.
I really hope they can do something in the tournament.
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I really hope they can do something in the tournament.
McDermott's track record isn't great but they are quicker and more athletic this year. They embraced the small ball lineup and are making teams adjust to them.
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Markus needs to be better and Marquette as well, but holy hell is Powell playing like garbage down the stretch. Just flipped on SH rolling a bad SJU team, but Powell is 1-8, 0-5 from 3, and just heaved up a contested brick from 4 feet behind the line with 20 left on the clock.
And the talking heads like Steve Lavin still tout him as the player of the year. He may get it, but he shouldn't.
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And the talking heads like Steve Lavin still tout him as the player of the year. He may get it, but he shouldn't.
I think it should probably go to Alexander if not Howard. He's been efficient offensively and is tasked with guarding opponent's best guard and he does it well.
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Creighton is fun to watch.
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I think it should probably go to Alexander if not Howard. He's been efficient offensively and is tasked with guarding opponent's best guard and he does it well.
I agree with this analysis.
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And the talking heads like Steve Lavin still tout him as the player of the year. He may get it, but he shouldn't.
I’ll leave the advanced numbers to guys like Brewcity, but even looking at simple top line numbers
L5 games:
Howard: 24.6 PPG, 37.3% FG, 35.8% 3PT (10.6 3PA), 4 Reb, 3 Ast....2-3 team record
Powell: 18.4 PPG, 35.2% FG, 22% 3PT (9.8 3PA), 3.4 Reb, 3 Ast...3-2 team record
L10 games:
Howard: 27.6 PPG, 39% FG, 34% 3PT (11 3PA), 3.5 Reb, 3.4 Ast....6-4 team record
Powell: 20.2 PPG, 38% FG, 23.8% 3PT (8.8 3PA), 3.8 Reb, 2.8 Ast...7-3 team record
Powell does nothing better than Markus. He’s chucking 3s at an absurd rate for how poorly he’s shooting them and SH is no longer the hottest team in the BEast. Not to mention without Markus, Marquette is fighting DePaul. SH would still be a top half team without Powell, as was evidenced today.
The fact that the narrative about Powell being a killer and a closer and a “bucket getter” hasn’t changed over the last 5 games, and has only gotten louder, is amusing. 22% from 3 is shockingly bad, much less on consistent double digit attempts
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The Hall with solid win over The Johnnies
Creighton 49 Butler 24 15:57 left second
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Butler shooting 40% and losing by 30 is just brutal. Zagarowski shooting out of his mind and Creighton just firing on all cylinders. No question they are the best team in the BE.
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Creighton is a fun team to watch play. Their players clearly enjoy McDermotts system and are thriving in it.
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Creighton is a fun team to watch play. Their players clearly enjoy McDermotts system and are thriving in it.
Which is a little odd as the MU fan experts here were saying how bad McDermott is as a coach....our fan base....it’s a beauty and super knowledgeable, too.
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Which is a little odd as the MU fan experts here were saying how bad McDermott is as a coach....our fan base....it’s a beauty and super knowledgeable, too.
He's always been a great offensive coach. They have more quickness and athleticism this year to go with their usual good shooting and spacing.
Hoping this is the year they can end their tournament woes.
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Which is a little odd as the MU fan experts here were saying how bad McDermott is as a coach....our fan base....it’s a beauty and super knowledgeable, too.
“The MU fan experts here (on Scoop)” claim McDermott is a bad coach?
LOL. Your modus operandi when attacking. Sweeping, unsubstantiated accusations with zero evidence. Have a few guys here criticized McDermott (and other coaches, ADs, administrators, players, writers, etc.)? Sure. So have you. How many have said McDermott can’t coach? A handful? When did they become “the MU fan experts here”? When you make this type of bullish!t up (it’s all over the board on a myriad of topics) do you have any purpose other than self aggrandizement?
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2020/02/23/zegarowski-cant-miss-no-15-creighton-routs-no-21-butler/111365382/
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Which is a little odd as the MU fan experts here were saying how bad McDermott is as a coach....our fan base....it’s a beauty and super knowledgeable, too.
Well, he is on the NCAA watch list...
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“The MU fan experts here (on Scoop)” claim McDermott is a bad coach?
LOL. Your modus operandi when attacking. Sweeping, unsubstantiated accusations with zero evidence. Have a few guys here criticized McDermott (and other coaches, ADs, administrators, players, writers, etc.)? Sure. So have you. How many have said McDermott can’t coach? A handful? When did they become “the MU fan experts here”? When you make this type of bullish!t up (it’s all over the board on a myriad of topics) do you have any purpose other than self aggrandizement?
That's awesome black kettle. The bigger point is the clowns that said Willard, McDermott and others can't coach are the same ones that say Wojo cannot....so that gives me some great solace knowing how wrong they have been in the past.
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https://nypost.com/2020/02/23/seton-hall-blows-by-st-johns-with-daunting-big-east-finish-ahead/
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That's awesome black kettle. The bigger point is the clowns that said Willard, McDermott and others can't coach are the same ones that say Wojo cannot....so that gives me some great solace knowing how wrong they have been in the past.
Two NCAA cheaters in one Cheeks' counter argument on why MU should be patient with Wojo...lovely.
Here is my argument: Just win out! Very doable. It's not that complicated.
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https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2020/02/23/butler-basketball-gets-blown-out-creighton-awaits-news-kamar-baldwin-injury/4786109002/
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Creighton is fun to watch.
Sharing the ball, constant movement is the most fun to play and to watch. I agree.
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I love Ty-Shon Alexander's game. He is a quick, 6-4 guard who is a superior defender.
He averages 16.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.4 apg and 1.4 to. He is shooting better from 3, overall and FT than either Markus or Powell.
He has improved during the course of his career and even this season. Scoring last 12 games: 18-14-24-12-24-16-15-16-18-24-22-15. So consistent. Average during those games: 18.2 pts and less than 1 TO while playing 35 mpg and usually defending the opponent's best perimeter player.
If I were an NBA GM, I'd draft him before I'd even consider either Markus or Powell, and I think he should be getting much more BEPOY consideration than he has been.
I hope like heck he goes pro after this season. Don't want to go up against an even better version of him next year!
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I love Ty-Shon Alexander's game. He is a quick, 6-4 guard who is a superior defender.
He averages 16.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.4 apg and 1.4 to. He is shooting better from 3, overall and FT than either Markus or Powell.
He has improved during the course of his career and even this season. Scoring last 12 games: 18-14-24-12-24-16-15-16-18-24-22-15. So consistent. Average during those games: 18.2 pts and less than 1 TO while playing 35 mpg and usually defending the opponent's best perimeter player.
If I were an NBA GM, I'd draft him before I'd even consider either Markus or Powell, and I think he should be getting much more BEPOY consideration than he has been.
I hope like heck he goes pro after this season. Don't want to go up against an even better version of him next year!
Agree. As it stands today, he too deserves BE POY consideration.
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I love Ty-Shon Alexander's game. He is a quick, 6-4 guard who is a superior defender.
He averages 16.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.4 apg and 1.4 to. He is shooting better from 3, overall and FT than either Markus or Powell.
He has improved during the course of his career and even this season. Scoring last 12 games: 18-14-24-12-24-16-15-16-18-24-22-15. So consistent. Average during those games: 18.2 pts and less than 1 TO while playing 35 mpg and usually defending the opponent's best perimeter player.
If I were an NBA GM, I'd draft him before I'd even consider either Markus or Powell, and I think he should be getting much more BEPOY consideration than he has been.
I hope like heck he goes pro after this season. Don't want to go up against an even better version of him next year!
He’d be my pick.
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Butler shooting 40% and losing by 30 is just brutal. Zagarowski shooting out of his mind and Creighton just firing on all cylinders. No question they are the best team in the BE.
"Shooting 40%" has little to no meaning. What is the relevance of FG%?
They shot a poor 43.1% eFG% compared to 63.9% for Creighton.
Only lost by 22.
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https://www.pawtuckettimes.com/sports/desperate-friars-dominate-no-marquette/article_2c36dc88-55ec-11ea-9054-c7bd8b9c4193.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share
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"Shooting 40%" has little to no meaning. What is the relevance of FG%?
They shot a poor 43.1% eFG% compared to 63.9% for Creighton.
Only lost by 22.
::) Cool flex. A full day later swooping in to pick apart a meaningless post about how Butler wasn’t shooting atrociously as much as how good Creighton was playing, to show everyone how smart you are. They were down by 30+ when I posted.
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/02/24/how-xavier-basketball-gets-back-track-tuesday-against-depaul/4857001002/
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::) Cool flex. A full day later swooping in to pick apart a meaningless post about how Butler wasn’t shooting atrociously as much as how good Creighton was playing, to show everyone how smart you are. They were down by 30+ when I posted.
No. They DID shoot atrociously - you called out a bad statistic implying that a 40% FG% is solid; FG% doesn't represent how well a team is shooting and it's bizarre someone would use such a 'stat'.
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https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/2/25/21152338/villanova-basketball-arizin-news-wildcats-justin-moore-jeremiah-robinson-earl
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X heading toward much needed win over DePaul
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Smashing Whiteboards ....,
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/02/25/big-east-college-basketball-xavier-musketeers-beat-depaul-blue-demons/4871264002/
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Johnnies pick up JUCO commit. Should be able to make an immediate contribution.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/juco-commit-vince-cole-gives-st-johns-just-what-it-needs/
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St. John’s hanging thought at Nova. Down 2 with 7:45 to go.
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Nova just missed a layup with about 10 seconds left, so they didn't cover the 12 points.
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Solid win nonetheless for Nova
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Nova just missed a layup with about 10 seconds left, so they didn't cover the 12 points.
Gonna hurt seeding
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http://friarbasketball.com/2020/02/25/bye-week-news-notes/
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Seems like similar to last year we will have to play a team we lost twice to in conference play. Looks like we are locked into a first round game against Providence.
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Seems like similar to last year we will have to play a team we lost twice to in conference play. Looks like we are locked into a first round game against Providence.
Id love another shot at PC. I haven’t studied the numbers, but I would imagine there are scenarios that Butler and/or X factor into the 4/5 seed.
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https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/2/26/21154028/uncategorized-thoughts-about-xavier-basketball-big-east-tyrique-jones-naji-marshall-paul-scruggs
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Myron Medcalf on Creighton and Other topics....
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28775405/real-fake-make-creighton-san-diego-state
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^^^^ cringe
Creighton = bad defense
Azubuike = low usage for such an award
etc.
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https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2020/02/27/seton-hall-basketball-quincy-mcknight/4889981002/
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Providence 30 Villanova 18 at halftime.
Nova 2-14 from 3, 2-9 from the free throw line.
Nothing easy for Villanova thus far.
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Id love another shot at PC. I haven’t studied the numbers, but I would imagine there are scenarios that Butler and/or X factor into the 4/5 seed.
Man, I wouldn’t. Their toughness is too much for us to handle.
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Nova coming back. And in other news - Fire Shaka!! Has now beat West Virginia and Texas Tech in back to back games. Texas may be playing their way onto the bubble.
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Id love another shot at PC. I haven’t studied the numbers, but I would imagine there are scenarios that Butler and/or X factor into the 4/5 seed.
Still possible but will be tough.
X and Butler play each other so 1 is guranteed 9 losses.
X plays at Providence so they pretty much have to win that.
We have the tiebreak on X forsure, not sure about Butler.
Butler definitely has the best chance if they win out(the X game and the 2 bottom dwellers). But even that requires us losing at least once or Providence twice(if they hold on vs Nova thats very unlikely.)
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Man, I wouldn’t. Their toughness is too much for us to handle.
I’m old enough to remember when that was the Warrior brand of ball :-\
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vuguru: “This loss is INEXCUSABLE!!! Good teams DONT lose at home to Providence!!!”
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vuguru: “This loss is INEXCUSABLE!!! Good teams DONT lose at home to a crap team like Providence!!!”
FIFY
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Man, I swear Providence does this every year. Has horrible losses in non-conference/early conference season....only to become one of the hottest teams at the end of conference play.....before bowing out of the tournament early. Would have really helped the conference if they could have been halfway decent in non-conference
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Providence just locked up their bid
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Does it look like Providence-MU in the BET?
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Does it look like Providence-MU in the BET?
Lots still to be determined. If we win the next 2, yes.
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Excellent road win for Cooley &
Company over Nova. The Friars NCAA tournament hopes are improving .
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Excellent road win for Cooley &
Company over Nova. The Friars NCAA tournament hopes are improving .
They have to be in the driver’s seat now.
I believe they 5-0 in their last five ranked games
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Butler rights their ship with a comfortable win over DePaul. DePaul played without Paul Reed. Butler had the services of Kamar Baldwin and Aaron thompson.
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St. John's is on campus today. Leading #10 Creighton, 37-27 on FS1.
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St. John's is on campus today. Leading #10 Creighton, 37-27 on FS1.
Glad we play them at MSG.
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SJU smoked Creighton today.
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Glad we play them at MSG.
Positive on that? A few sources I just looked at said Carneseca.
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Positive on that? A few sources I just looked at said Carneseca.
I'm not positive, but I'm positive that SJU's website has it listed as MSG.
https://redstormsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2019-20
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Has anyone watched the game? Stats show Creighton is having a real bad shooting night but I’m not sure if the shots are highly contested or just open misses.
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Positive on that? A few sources I just looked at said Carneseca.
MSG at noon
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Johnnie’s by 20
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MSG at noon
Yup, 11CT.
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SJU smoked Creighton today.
Wouldn't you say that was an inexcusable loss for Creighton?? No other way of saying it. Hmmm, inexcusable losses ARE a thing?? Who knew?? ;D
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MSG at noon
Nice, that’s good. SJU has been very good at Carnesecca this year.
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Johnnie’s by 20
Jonnies 14-22 from the 3 point line while Jays were 4-27.
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Wouldn't you say that was an inexcusable loss for Creighton?? No other way of saying it. Hmmm, inexcusable losses ARE a thing?? Who knew?? ;D
Guru—just curious....why do end every question with two question marks??
Is that for effect??
One is ok, but two is that much better??
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Greg Williams Jr. made seven 3-pointers and scored a career-high 21 points.
Rasheem Dunn had 19 points, a career-high 10 assists and six rebounds. LJ Figueroa added 16 points and 12 rebounds, and Julian Champagnie scored 13.
St. John's went a season-best 14 of 22 from long range in its biggest victory under first-year coach Mike Anderson. It was the school's first win over a top-10 team at Carnesecca Arena on campus since beating Bernard King and No. 7 Tennessee in December 1975.
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Greg Williams Jr. made seven 3-pointers and scored a career-high 21 points.
Rasheem Dunn had 19 points, a career-high 10 assists and six rebounds. LJ Figueroa added 16 points and 12 rebounds, and Julian Champagnie scored 13.
St. John's went a season-best 14 of 22 from long range in its biggest victory under first-year coach Mike Anderson. It was the school's first win over a top-10 team at Carnesecca Arena on campus since beating Bernard King and No. 7 Tennessee in December 1975.
Williams was 7-10 coming in as a 27% three point shooter. A Jean Felix reprisal today.
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Guru—just curious....why do end every question with two question marks??
Is that for effect??
One is ok, but two is that much better??
Great question...it's just a habit I have had for years, no real reason, I have just always done it that way. ;D
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Jonnies 14-22 from the 3 point line while Jays were 4-27.
Couldn’t miss, makes me uneasy about our game. Had a good game plan against a poor three point shooting Hall...until we didn’t.
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X beats Gtown at Gtown. Gtown gave them all they could handle. Marshall hits dagger 3 with 4 seconds left to put X ahead 3.
Butler gets SJU at home mid week. X goes to PC. Likely that Butler is 9-8 and X 8-9 heading into their matchup in Cincy next weekend. If X wins that game, X gets the 6 seed, Butler the 7.
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Meanwhile, Georgetown's 4th string center broke his leg in practice yesterday.
The roster is down to five on scholarship, three walk-ons and Ewing needs to with either at Creighton or versus Villanova to avoid his second .500 or below season in three years.
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Gtown program has fallen so far since the old be
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X picks up quality road win . Their NCAA tournament prospects are looking good .
Johnnies need to keep winning to maintain their potential NIT prospects ( Only way they get in the Big Dance is by winning the BET)
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X beats Gtown at Gtown. Gtown gave them all they could handle. Marshall hits dagger 3 with 4 seconds left to put X ahead 3.
Butler gets SJU at home mid week. X goes to PC. Likely that Butler is 9-8 and X 8-9 heading into their matchup in Cincy next weekend. If X wins that game, X gets the 6 seed, Butler the 7.
That assumes we don't go 0-2
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Great question...it's just a habit I have had for years, no real reason, I have just always done it that way. ;D
You wanna really drive ‘em nuts?? Stop using caps where appropriate ;)
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/03/01/naji-marshalls-clutch-3-helps-xavier-avoid-disaster-georgetown/4923011002/
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/01/st-johns-sharpshooting-stuns-creighton-in-blowout-win/
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https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/3/2/21161661/the-case-for-hope-was-that-enough-xavier-basketball-bubble
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https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20200302/friars-taking-advantage-of-late-season-opportunities
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http://friarbasketball.com/2020/03/01/luwane-pipkins-friar-redemption-tour/
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https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villanova/villanova-wildcats-seton-hall-pirates-big-east-battle-for-first-place-tiebreakers-collin-gillespie-myles-powell-20200304.html
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Big one tonight with Villanova at Seton Hall
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59211.msg1216921#msg1216921
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Paul Scruggs is out tonight for Xavier vs PC
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Big one tonight with Villanova at Seton Hall
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59211.msg1216921#msg1216921
This game should be a nice palate cleanser, honestly.
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Paul Scruggs is out tonight for Xavier vs PC
Well. In our quest to avoid Wednesday in the BET this is good, I suppose. Should have never gotten to this point though.
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Creighton looking to get back to winning ways.
https://whiteandbluereview.com/pregame-primer-11-creighton-begins-the-seasons-pivotal-final-week-against-georgetown/
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Classic Big East Battle at the Dunc tonight. Cooley & Company up 64-62 over X with 7:26 left .
I really enjoy watching our conference games. This year has been especially entertaining.
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Watching SHU-Nova and am stunned by the energy and motion of both offenses compared to the way we play.
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Nice of Powell to find his game just for MU, back to mediocrity tonight with another sparkling outside performance. 1-6 from 3 in the 1H
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Sean McDermott had 16 points and 14 rebounds to lead five Butler players in double figures as the Bulldogs defeated St. John's 77-55
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Ed Morrow sighting in the BET ad.
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Hoping Nova can close out Seton Hall. The Hall has a record crowd tonight and the student section is packed. Our Wednesday night crowds were pathetic in comparison.
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Hoping Nova can close out Seton Hall. The Hall has a record crowd tonight and the student section is packed. Our Wednesday night crowds were pathetic in comparison.
Gonna defend our fans here which I haven't done all year. Our weeknight crowds are generally good. SHU rarely even opens the upper deck of their arena.
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Gonna defend our fans here which I haven't done all year. Our weeknight crowds are generally good. SHU rarely even opens the upper deck of their arena.
SHU average attendance is actually pretty weak given the size of their arena and the metro they are in.
Also, Powell now 5-17 for 14 in his final home game to lock up the conference title. Give the award to Alexander for god’s sake
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8.5 seconds left, up 3. Will Wright foul?
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Nova is a fantastic team but that was just like the MU game. Nova BRICKING FTs to give SHU a chance. I can’t believe they let McKnight get the ball nearly at center court.
Short of going off for 35 in a road win at Creighton, no way Powell should get POY. He was horrible from the field including multiple contested bricks down the stretch. Mamu was the MAN and is the reason they had a chance.
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With a win v Georgetown, Villanova can finish first or second in Big East for 7th straight season. They have one of the younger teams in America. Not bad.
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Hoping Nova can close out Seton Hall. The Hall has a record crowd tonight and the student section is packed. .
Seton Hall attendance has grown the past few years.
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With a win v Georgetown, Villanova can finish first or second in Big East for 7th straight season. They have one of the younger teams in America. Not bad.
Bad for Marquette next year. 0-2 vs. Wildcats next year. Will be lucky to get a single digit loss.
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Gonna defend our fans here which I haven't done all year. Our weeknight crowds are generally good. SHU rarely even opens the upper deck of their arena.
Most year's only 1 time. This year it happened 6 times. Excellent year in attendance for the Hall.
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By the way, I am unsure how many people here understand student section numbers in Big East. For example:
Not sure how much it has increased but just two seasons ago, there were 505 student season tix at Seton Hall. Slightly more than 100 of them attended every game.
Xavier expanded from 800 student season tix to 1,000 a couple of years ago.
...and so on...
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NM
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MU gets the 6 if either of these happen:
-MU wins at St Johns
-Xavier loses at home vs Butler
If both of the above results are reversed, then we have a rematch with DePaul on Wednesday night as the 7 seed.
An MU win and Xavier win makes MU the 5.
I think those are all of the possibilities.
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Nova Hall game was a good one.
Mamu is really rounding into nice form for The Hall. They are going to need Powell to regain his form soon though.
Was good to see Creighton and Butler get back to their winning ways tonight. Want our conference to get as many high seeds as possible in tournament.
Cooley & Company are looking like they are going to make the tournament. Doing it the old fashioned way by winning at the right time.
MU may end up getting lucky and getting a matchup with Nova in the BET. Probably our best matchup against the top teams.
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With a win v Georgetown, Villanova can finish first or second in Big East for 7th straight season. They have one of the younger teams in America. Not bad.
With a loss to Villanova, Georgetown will finish no better than 8th in the Big East for four of the last five seasons. They lose three starters from 2019-20 and their top recruit decommitted at the end of 2019. Not good.
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With a loss to Villanova, Georgetown will finish no better than 8th in the Big East for four of the last five seasons. They lose three starters from 2019-20 and their top recruit decommitted at the end of 2019. Not good.
But Pat Ewing did a hell of a coaching job given the circumstances. If he can recruit the right guys, he'll be fine.
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/03/04/big-east-basketball-xavier-musketeers-fall-providence-friars/4956631002/
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Nice of Powell to find his game just for MU, back to mediocrity tonight with another sparkling outside performance. 1-6 from 3 in the 1H
Player Of The Year Powell went 1-7 in the last 10 minutes of a title clinching game. Totally invisible at the biggest moment of the season for Hall.
It's criminal a guy who is essentially a less potent Jeremy Hazell is going to get award recognition over a historically great player in Howard. Alas, the media narrative seems too much to overcome.
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Ed Morrow sighting in the BET ad.
Did he travel?
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Player Of The Year Powell went 1-7 in the last 10 minutes of a title clinching game. Totally invisible at the biggest moment of the season for Hall.
It's criminal a guy who is essentially a less potent Jeremy Hazell is going to get award recognition over a historically great player in Howard. Alas, the media narrative seems too much to overcome.
Jeremy Hazell. There's a name I hadn't thought of in a while. Dude could ball.
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Amazing how many free throws Villanova missed at the end of the game
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Player Of The Year Powell went 1-7 in the last 10 minutes of a title clinching game. Totally invisible at the biggest moment of the season for Hall.
It's criminal a guy who is essentially a less potent Jeremy Hazell is going to get award recognition over a historically great player in Howard. Alas, the media narrative seems too much to overcome.
I agree. It is maddening to hear numerous announcers just in the past few days talk as if he has been playing great. If it weren't for the pre-season hype and he was anonymous, I don't know that he would be in the top 3 in conference based purely on his play/stats. Yet, several announcers are still touting him as national POY, not just Big East POY. Just lazy on their part? I don't get it.
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I agree. It is maddening to hear numerous announcers just in the past few days talk as if he has been playing great. If it weren't for the pre-season hype and he was anonymous, I don't know that he would be in the top 3 in conference based purely on his play/stats. Yet, several announcers are still touting him as national POY, not just Big East POY. Just lazy on their part? I don't get it.
Its gotta be preseason buzz and hype that SHU drew up, plus being the "best" player on the only great team in the Northeast this season, essentially in NYC, so he's getting the full compliment of East Coast bias and praise. Truly haven't seen anything like it. Lavin talks about him like he's his own child.
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Saturday 3/7/20
Final Day of the Regular Season
Villanova @ Georgetown, 11am, FOX - Gus Johnson, Jim Jackson
Line: Villanova -7.5/144.5
Marquette @ St. John's, 11am, FSN - Brian Custer, Len Elmore
Line: Marquette -1/153.5
Seton Hall @ Creighton, 1:30pm, FOX- Kevin Kugler, Donny Marshall
Line: Creighton -3.5/153.5
DePaul @ Providence, 5:30pm, FS1 - Scott Graham, Vin Parise
Line: Providence -10/136.5
Butler @ Xavier, 7:30pm, FS1 - Thom Brennaman, Nick Bahe
Line: Xavier -2.5/128.5
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Saturday 3/7/20
Final Day of the Regular Season
Villanova @ Georgetown, 11am, FOX - Gus Johnson, Jim Jackson
Line: Villanova -7.5/144.5
Marquette @ St. John's, 11am, FSN - Brian Custer, Len Elmore
Line: Marquette -1/153.5
Seton Hall @ Creighton, 1:30pm, FOX- Kevin Kugler, Donny Marshall
Line: Creighton -3.5/153.5
DePaul @ Providence, 5:30pm, FS1 - Scott Graham, Vin Parise
Line: Providence -10/136.5
Butler @ Xavier, 7:30pm, FS1 - Thom Brennaman, Nick Bahe
Line: Xavier -2.5/128.5
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Marquette at St. John's
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FOX Sports Arizona
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FOX Sports Ohio
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The game will be on WOR channel 9 NYC.
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The game will be on WOR channel 9 NYC.
That will be good exposure for MU.
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Saturday 3/7/20
Final Day of the Regular Season
Villanova @ Georgetown, 11am, FOX - Gus Johnson, Jim Jackson
Line: Villanova -7.5/144.5
Marquette @ St. John's, 11am, FSN - Brian Custer, Len Elmore
Line: Marquette -1/153.5
Seton Hall @ Creighton, 1:30pm, FOX- Kevin Kugler, Donny Marshall
Line: Creighton -3.5/153.5
DePaul @ Providence, 5:30pm, FS1 - Scott Graham, Vin Parise
Line: Providence -10/136.5
Butler @ Xavier, 7:30pm, FS1 - Thom Brennaman, Nick Bahe
Line: Xavier -2.5/128.5
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Marquette at St. John's
AT&T SportsNet Rocky Mountain
Cox YurView - New England
FOX Sports Arizona
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FOX Sports Ohio
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I know it doesn't really mean much, but I like that all games in the BE start and end on the same day.
UConn, for all the value they bring, disrupts this.
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Arby’s
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/06/myles-powell-markus-howard-bring-rare-experience-to-big-east-tourney/
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“Powell should be POY the way this team has progressed”. And there you have it. Powell will win cause SHU is good. Hell with details and stats
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Georgetown on a 14-0, to take the lead on Villanova. 41-39 on FOX.
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We need a Georgetown win to improve all of our analytics for tourney seeding.
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We need a Georgetown win to improve all of our analytics for tourney seeding.
Lol +1
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“Powell should be POY the way this team has progressed”. And there you have it. Powell will win cause SHU is good. Hell with details and stats
Such a dumb argument. This team wouldn’t be top 150 KenPom without Howard.
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We need a Georgetown win to improve all of our analytics for tourney seeding.
Not happening.
Hoyas lose on a goaltending call, 70-69. Georgetown now 0-12 in games where they score 71 or fewer points.
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Would be good for the Big East if Nova could get a high seed. Better chance to win games and make money for the league .
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Lmao Seton Hall losing their composure.
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How is that double T? That’s Mamu being a scumbag just like he was in the BET last year. Love SHU showing their true colors the minute they stop gliding through the conference in the lead
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Court storm...
But Zegarowski leg/knee looks hurt there at the end. At first I thought it was a cramp, but he could barely walk off.
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Court storm...
But Zegarowski leg/knee looks hurt there at the end. At first I thought it was a cramp, but he could barely walk off.
I flipped away. How did he get hurt?
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/07/st-johns-considering-playing-fewer-games-at-madison-square-garden/
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I flipped away. How did he get hurt?
It wasn’t really made clear...it was during the Mamu scrum. He looks bad post-game.
Banner going up, nets coming down. Creighton enjoying it before the NCAA has them vacate it.
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/07/st-johns-considering-playing-fewer-games-at-madison-square-garden/
They should. Carnesecca is a snake pit. Makes the Al seem palatial and welcoming.
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How is that double T? That’s Mamu being a scumbag just like he was in the BET last year. Love SHU showing their true colors the minute they stop gliding through the conference in the lead
could go both ways. i'm not a fan of mamu and SH at all, but creighton was being a little too, in your face exuberant. act like ya been there and wait for the buzzer-then party. they just gassed up seton hall for the next matchup
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could go both ways. i'm not a fan of mamu and SH at all, but creighton was being a little too, in your face exuberant. act like ya been there and wait for the buzzer-then party. they just gassed up seton hall for the next matchup
He was literally a foot from the sideline, outside the arc, clapping but not in Mamu’s face, and Mamu took issue and got chest to chest. That’s not taunting until after the fact, revisionist officiating to avoid making an assessment.
And they haven’t, that’s the point, their first BE title. Defending anything SH did there is soft as hell.
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He was literally a foot from the sideline, outside the arc, clapping but not in Mamu’s face, and Mamu took issue and got chest to chest. That’s not taunting until after the fact, revisionist officiating to avoid making an assessment.
And they haven’t, that’s the point, their first BE title. Defending anything SH did there is soft as hell.
Mamu was mad at Jefferson as he stole the ball from Mamu right before that. Mamu thought it was a hard foul and then ran at Jefferson who was clapping on the perimeter as that was the clincher. Should have been an ejection on Mamu.
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Mamu was mad at Jefferson as he stole the ball from Mamu right before that. Mamu thought it was a hard foul and then ran at Jefferson who was clapping on the perimeter as that was the clincher. Should have been an ejection on Mamu.
He’s an awesome player who id love to have from a basketball perspective, but he’s an absolute clown when he’s not succeeding. We saw that at MSG last year
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Meanwhile plastering DePaul tonight. Momentum-wise, MU is playing the worst basketball in conference.
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Less than 5 minutes left:
Providence 89
DePaul 48
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Less than 5 minutes left:
Providence 89
DePaul 48
DePaul was a “bad matchup” for us.
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DePaul was a “bad matchup” for us.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Providence made the sweet 16 this year. They're physical and their PG is playing some great ball.
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Wow Baldwin!
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Thank you!
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He' clutch!
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/03/08/live-updates-xavier-vs-butler-senior-night/4986043002/
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Thank you!
Yes, big thanks to Butler and Baldwin for sparing us the humiliation of losing to DePaul twice in less than 10 days. #trendingupwards
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Mamu was mad at Jefferson as he stole the ball from Mamu right before that. Mamu thought it was a hard foul and then ran at Jefferson who was clapping on the perimeter as that was the clincher. Should have been an ejection on Mamu.
And a one-game suspension.😀
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Interesting Off the court relationship between Myles Powell and Markus Howard
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jppelzman/2020/02/28/the-bond-between-seton-halls-myles-powell-and-marquettes-markus-howard-goes-beyond-basketball/#7ffb6ad33ca4
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And a one-game suspension.😀
You would think a suspension would be good for MU. However, MU lost to DePaul with DePaul's big not playing and MU lost to St. John's without St. John's big not playing.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.providencejournal.com/sports/20200307/message-sent--friars-blow-past-depaul-93-55-look-ready-for-march%3Ftemplate%3Dampart
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Tough news for The Blue Jays and Marcus Zegarowski
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28873421/creighton-marcus-zegarowski-doubtful-big-east-tourney-knee-injury
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/03/08/xavier-ncaa-tournament-chances-naji-marshall-future/4987295002/
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Ewing & Associates up 58-51 over Johnnies 8:49 left second
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18-0 run by St. John's. 70-62. MSG on fire!
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18-0 run by St. John's. 70-62. MSG on fire!
Was something to watch.
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Was something to watch.
23-0 to close the game.
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Wow Johnnies with a great run to win it. Coach Anderson clinches his 18 strait non losing season .
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DePaul 35 X 25 3:47 left first
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DePaul starting to implode. Would be good for MU if the Blue Rats could pull this one out. I think they need this W to be eligible for NIT.
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And so they did. DePaul 71, X 67. First BET win for those guys in...years.
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That’s why we didn’t want to play DePaul. A loss is a killer.
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That’s why we didn’t want to play DePaul. A loss is a killer.
Yep. Xavier done
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just an FYI Paul Reed played .... 23 pts 12 reb 8-)
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X craps the bed on their season.
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https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2020/3/12/21176185/xavier-loses-a-game-it-couldnt-lose-big-east-tournament
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/depaul-rallies-to-win-first-big-east-tournament-game-since-2014/
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/depaul-rallies-to-win-first-big-east-tournament-game-since-2014/
DePaul makes first Quarterfinals since 2014. NEVER take for granted our Quarterfinals streak.