Big East Conference BET Results

[Zephyr820]

Pomeroy currently has it:

Team   

• Butler   12-6
• Villanova   11-7
• Seton Hall   10-8
• Xavier   10-8
• Marquette   10-8
• Georgetown   9-9
• Creighton   9-9
• DePaul   7-11
• Providence   6-12
• St. John's   6-12

[Cheeks]

Impressive.  I'm prepared for scoop meltdowns, meat summit "I told you so's", and absolute elation during this conference season.  Will be a ton of fun.  Would take 10-8 now and a run in both tournaments.  Merry Christmas everybody!

Yup.  Bloodbath it will be.  Merry Christmas

[brewcity77]

Also just for the record , rather than making an ad hominem attack, I will just say that no one knows how the math works because it has not been published.

It doesn't need to be to see the trends. The NET most closely mimics kenpom. When we beat K-State, many pointed out that our kenpom ranking improved by 6, but it actually only improved by 3 from our result. The results of our non-con opponents' games were so good that our ranking went up by 3 before we stepped on the court. That's the same reason our NET can have big changes when we don't even play.

That doesn't stop when conference play starts. The equation doesn't stop running because we're playing Big East teams. After all, leagues like the ACC & Big 10 have already started conference play.

I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.

[Cheeks]

It doesn't need to be to see the trends. The NET most closely mimics kenpom. When we beat K-State, many pointed out that our kenpom ranking improved by 6, but it actually only improved by 3 from our result. The results of our non-con opponents' games were so good that our ranking went up by 3 before we stepped on the court. That's the same reason our NET can have big changes when we don't even play.

That doesn't stop when conference play starts. The equation doesn't stop running because we're playing Big East teams. After all, leagues like the ACC & Big 10 have already started conference play.

I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.

Agree.  RPI Forecast used to have a cool aspect on their website that showed the weighting of your score based on what every team you played did, and what their opponents did.  And what their opponents' opponents did.  Someday someone will do that for the NET.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Marquette.html    Scroll to bottom

[Herman Cain]

It doesn't need to be to see the trends. The NET most closely mimics kenpom. When we beat K-State, many pointed out that our kenpom ranking improved by 6, but it actually only improved by 3 from our result. The results of our non-con opponents' games were so good that our ranking went up by 3 before we stepped on the court. That's the same reason our NET can have big changes when we don't even play.

That doesn't stop when conference play starts. The equation doesn't stop running because we're playing Big East teams. After all, leagues like the ACC & Big 10 have already started conference play.

I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.

NET rankings are their own model . You have your interpretation of the rankings trends. My interpretation of the trends are  different.

We will see how the final NET rankings work out.

The good news is everyone in the league,except Providence is starting out with a decent NET going into conference play. So the opportunity to pick up Q1 wins is going to be available.

[brewcity77]

NET rankings are their own model . You have your interpretation of the rankings trends. My interpretation of the trends are  different.

We will see how the final NET rankings work out.

We don't have to. Like I said, look at St John's last year. Look at our change after the Maryland loss. It's not an interpretation of trends. It's looking at data that's already there.

[Newsdreams]

We don't have to. Like I said, look at St John's last year. Look at our change after the Maryland loss. It's not an interpretation of trends. It's looking at data that's already there.

Don't waste your time Brew not worth it.

[fjm]

"Interpretation" is not how math works.

[Herman Cain]

Ewing and Associates, MU, Butler and Creighton all with cupcakes on the schedule today.  Winning is always good, helps momentum and builds optics. Also, it is nice to have a tune up before conference play.

[Nukem2]

Ewing and Associates, MU, Butler and Creighton all with cupcakes on the schedule today.  Winning is always good, helps momentum and builds optics. Also, it is nice to have a tune up before conference play.

Mostly a tuneup after the Christmas  week.

[Mr. Nielsen]

American has made a comeback to lead Georgetown late in the 1st half.

[Cheeks]

Pomeroy is projecting UW-madison and K-State to have losing records for the year....K-state dead last at the moment.  Need these guys to help us a bit down the road.

[JakeBarnes]

Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.

[Jockey]

I notice this more because I'm in these results all season long. If you're looking at one team or one league, it probably isn't as evident. When you spend the season evaluating 80-100 teams a couple times per week, it's clear how significant those games are and why St John's is in a more precarious position than other Big East teams regarding the NET, just like they were last year when they finished dead last out of the Butler/Providence/Xavier/Seton Hall group despite a far better non-con record.

Do you do it for fun or for gambling purposes?

Or both?

[Elonsmusk]

Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.

Pomeroy has us projected to lose by 1 at Creighton, and win by 3 at home against Nova.  Hard to project this team...we have only one Top 50 win, and we will face a lot of Top 50 games in Big East.   #crapshoot

[Herman Cain]

Solid 20 point win for Ewing and Associates .

[Cheeks]

Very real chance we are 0-2 to start conference play. Tough to win on the road and Nova is gonna be a challenge.

1-3 also very possible

[PGsHeroes32]

Not sure if ya'll are aware but the BE is very deep and even this year.

Every game is a possible win or loss.

So why stop at the first 2 or 4?

[brewcity77]

Do you do it for fun or for gambling purposes?

Or both?

For the Cracked Sidewalks bracket articles.

[Jay Bee]

Pomeroy is projecting UW-madison and K-State to have losing records for the year....K-state dead last at the moment.  Need these guys to help us a bit down the road.

Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols

[JakeBarnes]

Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols

Vols have looked terrible. So many unforced turnovers.

[Uncle Rico]

Also had uw-madison as a 5 point dog at Tennessee today. They are murdering the Vols

Vols just lost their best player for the season last weekend,  Lamonte Bearden

[wadesworld]

Vols just lost their best player for the season last weekend,  Lamonte Bearden Turner

FIFY

Neither WI nor TN are BE teams.

[Jay Bee]

Vols just lost their best player for the season last weekend,  Lamonte Bearden

Turner (Bearden's real name) has been one of the worst shooters in all of college basketball. Just brutal.

[Uncle Rico]

FIFY

Neither WI nor TN are BE teams.

I knew I was going to make that mistake and I still did.  My bad