Something major going on at UWM? A lot of departures announced

[GGGG]

Is it the marketplace or the secondary gray market?  I think the problem is the latter.

It seems that agents, shoe companies, parents, financial managers, handlers, coaches, hangers on, strippers, etc. are also cashing in.  See FBI.

Yeah but the entire reason the gray market exists is because of the value of the player.

As with most underground economies, many of these issues would be solved if transactions were above board and regulated.  For instance, allow players to be compensated for their likeness under the oversight of licensed agents.  Perhaps the bulk of the compensation can be placed into trust and only accessed after the student leaves college.

The continued dedication to amateurism is simply trying to stuff the genie back in the box.  The economics indicate that this just isn't going to work.  This is exactly why the Olympics moved away from this model.  Its the exact reason that Prohibition was repealed. 

[Galway Eagle]

Yeah but the entire reason the gray market exists is because of the value of the player.

As with most underground economies, many of these issues would be solved if transactions were above board and regulated.  For instance, allow players to be compensated for their likeness under the oversight of licensed agents.  Perhaps the bulk of the compensation can be placed into trust and only accessed after the student leaves college.

The continued dedication to amateurism is simply trying to stuff the genie back in the box.  The economics indicate that this just isn't going to work.  This is exactly why the Olympics moved away from this model.  Its the exact reason that Prohibition was repealed.

Most Olympic boxers are still amateurs

[Jay Bee]

So the value of the scholarship means they should be stripped of rights every other one of their student peers have? Makes a ton of sense....

This isn't reality. Stop making up lies.

[WarriorDad]

So the value of the scholarship means they should be stripped of rights every other one of their student peers have? Makes a ton of sense....

What rights have been stripped from them?  Second question, when do we start to give 4 year future job tryouts 30 times a year on TV and to large arenas for the history, political science, business, arts, music, and other students?  Are they being short changed because of all the benefits basketball players receive? 

The value of the scholarship, the value of the connections they make, the value of the audition each game brings to their future is, in a word, invaluable.  Something their student peers do not receive at all.

[Babybluejeans]

The value of the scholarship, the value of the connections they make, the value of the audition each game brings to their future is, in a word, invaluable.  Something their student peers do not receive at all.

This is not correct. Professional basketball and football are among the few areas of modern life that operate as a true meritocracy - if you have the ability to play, there's a spot for you. Connections, "auditions," etc. are incredibly valuable outside the scope of sports, but mean very little within them (there may be some exceptions, but they're few) because if you're talented enough, you'll have the opportunity. 

So to say that scholarships are "invaluable" on that basis is misguided. And even if what you say is true, athletes' "student peers" do not endow schools with the opportunity for tremendous amounts of money and exposure the way football and basketball players do. Look, Cheeks, we know where you stand on this issue. You've certainly been...consistent about that. But comparing major-sport athletes with their peer students is not how to prove it.

[WarriorDad]

This is not correct. Professional basketball and football are among the few areas of modern life that operate as a true meritocracy - if you have the ability to play, there's a spot for you. Connections, "auditions," etc. are incredibly valuable outside the scope of sports, but mean very little within them (there may be some exceptions, but they're few) because if you're talented enough, you'll have the opportunity. 

So to say that scholarships are "invaluable" on that basis is misguided. And even if what you say is true, athletes' "student peers" do not endow schools with the opportunity for tremendous amounts of money and exposure the way football and basketball players do. Look, Cheeks, we know where you stand on this issue. You've certainly been...consistent about that. But comparing major-sport athletes with their peer students is not how to prove it.

Why isn't Mr. Kapernick playing then?  He should be playing and it makes me ill he isn't.  Where is the meritocracy there?  The connections these athletes and coaches provide IN SPORTS, not just outside is something you are selling far short.  Most coaches played their sport and are able to use those connections to stay in the game.  Players that don't make it to the G League or NBA, rely on connections to be picked up overseas.  Those are in sport connections, not out of sports.

Most programs don't make tremendous amounts of money, especially in college basketball.  The money they do make is used to pay for other sports and keep their athletic departments open to provide opportunities for other students. 

[UNC Eagle]

Let me rephrase - What other student is withheld from extracurricular activities for one year if they transfer from one university to another?

The transfer rule represents a reasonable qui pro quo . A student is given an athletic scholarship and the coach has a reasonable expectation that the student will honor his/her end of the deal and stay and compete. That student athlete took the place of some other student athlete who could have filled that spot. Recognizing that things don't always work out a reasonable compromise of sitting out one year was instituted to discourage transferring the first time a student athlete encounters some difficultly. In addition the notion of sitting out the year, gives the student athlete the best chance to make the best of his/her opportunity at the new school.Division 1 athletics are not an easy thing for these kids and the ability to take a year off work out and get on the same page with new teammates and coaches is very valuable. 

The logic behind the grad transfer being eligible immediately also is based in the same theory. The student athlete at that point has fulfilled their obligation and then can move on as they see fit.
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[brewcity77]

When the school can rescind the scholarship at any time and the coach can leave at any time, it really exposes a bit of hypocrisy in that year in residence rule. I love the idea that the player "owes" something to the school. As though the schools aren't fighting tooth and nail to land commitments and don't feel grateful when players say yes.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Well we are going to see a lot more of one of these guys. Bryce Nze is heading to Butler. Solid pickup for the Bulldogs. Makes a lot of sense given the coaching situation.

[Jay Bee]

Well we are going to see a lot more of one of these guys. Bryce Nze is heading to Butler. Solid pickup for the Bulldogs. Makes a lot of sense given the coaching situation.

IIRC he played up some the year with Nick N. and Henry for WI PGE in the EYBL... looked the part, rebounding ability was evident.

..then the next year - 2015 - he played many minutes along with Kostandinos... rebounded very well there, and has in college. Glad to see him getting a chance in the BEast.

[Billy Hoyle]

IIRC he played up some the year with Nick N. and Henry for WI PGE in the EYBL... looked the part, rebounding ability was evident.

whatever happened to Nick Noskowiak?

[Galway Eagle]

whatever happened to Nick Noskowiak?

http://www.region9athletics.com/sports/mbkb/south/2017-18/players/nicknoskowiak4a2g?view=gamelog&pos=sh

[rocket surgeon]

http://www.region9athletics.com/sports/mbkb/south/2017-18/players/nicknoskowiak4a2g?view=gamelog&pos=sh

  looks like something happened at or around nov. 21 as that is where his stats end.   i wish him well