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Title: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 11:11:51 AM
Have the Bears found the right GM-Coach combo or is bad ownership too much to overcome?

Will Karon Rodgers be back in GB?  What about Adams?  If so, what kind of playoff choke will they give us in January of 2023?

Vikings went all-in on an analytics GM and dove into the McVay pool of coaches.  Will it work or will kissing your Cousins limit the ceiling?

Are the Lions quietly the most stable team in the NFC North?

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 18, 2022, 11:43:14 AM
Is Dan Marino the all-time biggest loser/choker in NFL history?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 11:53:35 AM
Is Dan Marino the all-time biggest loser/choker in NFL history?

He’s up there
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2022, 11:55:26 AM
No running game.   No defense.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 12:03:07 PM
No running game.   No defense.

Not true.  He ran from many paternity tests and failed to play defense a lot during extramarital affairs
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2022, 12:07:38 PM
Don't care.   Yo are full of rumors and hearsay today.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on February 22, 2022, 11:29:21 AM
Rodgers with a post last night that have many speculating retirement. He will be on the McAfee show at 12 CT.

I’m thinking he’s going to laugh at people jumping to conclusions and say no decision has been made. I think he enjoys getting social media people riled up.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2022, 11:30:15 AM
Rodgers with a post last night that have many speculating retirement. He will be on the McAfee show at 12 CT.

I’m thinking he’s going to laugh at people jumping to conclusions and say no decision has been made. I think he enjoys getting social media people riled up.

He’s so much like Favre now it’s amazing.  Wonder what culture wars he’ll fight today?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2022, 12:41:41 PM
Rodgers tells his fans they’re suckers
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on February 22, 2022, 03:40:42 PM
Rodgers tells his fans they’re suckers

McAfee was lowkey pissed he didn't drag it out.

The only outcome that I will be irritated by is if he retires - if he wants to go play his hand someplace else, all the credit to him. Not sure there's a better roster that is ready to receive him. Unload him, get the assets and be prepared to go all in on a QB in '23 if/when Love isn't the answer.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2022, 06:30:48 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33348778/green-bay-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-explains-instagram-post-says-made-decision-future
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 23, 2022, 12:09:26 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33348778/green-bay-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-explains-instagram-post-says-made-decision-future

Interesting how the link says the exact opposite of what Aaron said.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on February 23, 2022, 12:37:35 PM
We gotta stop thinking of 12 as anything but an edgelord. He's out there sh1tposting day in and day out and seems to get more joy from getting people to bite on his posts/quips/whatevers than anything else.

I'll believe something he says about his future when the ink is dry on a deal, and not a second before.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on February 23, 2022, 12:46:01 PM
He must have did this just to boost ratings for his buddy Pat McAfee
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on February 23, 2022, 12:57:06 PM
People scry into his posts and statements like their Roman augurs looking for omens in bird entrails, but the simplest explanation is absolutely the most likely: He is screwing with everyone until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 23, 2022, 01:11:29 PM
We gotta stop thinking of 12 as anything but an edgelord. He's out there sh1tposting day in and day out and seems to get more joy from getting people to bite on his posts/quips/whatevers than anything else.

I'll believe something he says about his future when the ink is dry on a deal, and not a second before.

The Edgelords sound like a band playing on a Summerfest free stage at 2 pm.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 23, 2022, 01:59:08 PM
The Edgelords sound like a band playing on a Summerfest free stage at 2 pm.

😂😂😂
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 23, 2022, 02:10:26 PM
The Edgelords sound like a band playing on a Summerfest free stage at 2 pm.

Maybe this summer?  From Cleveland...  https://www.facebook.com/TheEdgelords/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 23, 2022, 02:29:04 PM
Maybe this summer?  From Cleveland...  https://www.facebook.com/TheEdgelords/

Holy crap! LMAO
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 23, 2022, 04:32:14 PM
Have the Bears found the right GM-Coach combo or is bad ownership too much to overcome?

Will Karon Rodgers be back in GB?  What about Adams?  If so, what kind of playoff choke will they give us in January of 2023?

Vikings went all-in on an analytics GM and dove into the McVay pool of coaches.  Will it work or will kissing your Cousins limit the ceiling?

Are the Lions quietly the most stable team in the NFC North?

I don't know that guy. Do you mean Karon Bradley? Man, I wish he would have stuck around, he would have been a nice reserve for us, especially in 04-05 when we had no PG.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 23, 2022, 05:04:38 PM
People scry into his posts and statements like their Roman augurs looking for omens in bird entrails, but the simplest explanation is absolutely the most likely: He is screwing with everyone until proven otherwise.

He's giving people what they deserve.  Personally, I think it's great.  Everyone is trying to read tea leaves, and he's said he will make an announcement when he's ready.  He has literally told everyone what he is going to do.  So uhh.... just be patient.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 23, 2022, 06:47:31 PM
Troy Aikman your new MNF analyst.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on February 23, 2022, 06:57:10 PM
Troy Aikman your new MNF analyst.

Does Greg Olsen get the top spot now at Fox? Or, will it be Sean Payton?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 07:46:25 PM
Troy Aikman your new MNF analyst.

Lots of new announcing crews next year.

Tirico-Collinsworth

Aikman-?

Buck-?

Al Michaels back at ESPN?  Amazon?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 23, 2022, 07:59:07 PM
Does Greg Olsen get the top spot now at Fox? Or, will it be Sean Payton?

We can only hope ...

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8Wzbu3xyc7zytcHvLQfDJCB1gfiOjKXKOtyYyU-piZc9mRu9lcwEXZ6yGXZblTzWQAG8&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on February 23, 2022, 08:11:23 PM
Maybe this summer?  From Cleveland...  https://www.facebook.com/TheEdgelords/
From the looks of them, I'd say more like 1982.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 09:55:23 PM
Does Greg Olsen get the top spot now at Fox? Or, will it be Sean Payton?

That's a good call, RJ. Olsen is outstanding.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 23, 2022, 11:55:56 PM
Does Greg Olsen get the top spot now at Fox? Or, will it be Sean Payton?

My guess is Olsen.

Michaels to Amazon.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 24, 2022, 02:50:45 PM
From the looks of them, I'd say more like 1982.

Have you been to Summerfest lately?  They'd fit right in on an early afternoon side stage leading up to Styx. REO Speedwagon, Cheap Trick, etc.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 25, 2022, 02:15:30 PM
Chiefs hire Nagy as Quarterbacks coach.

I just find that kinda funny.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on February 25, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
Chiefs hire Nagy as Quarterbacks coach.

I just find that kinda funny.

Only kinda funny. Man butchers working with a new QB...gets job training other QBs. Only in coaching, CEOs and politics, due people proven to be inept fall on such fertile new grounds.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 27, 2022, 06:00:03 PM
Ali Marlet Bucs offensive lineman retires af age 28. Wants to maintain health

https://nypost.com/2022/02/27/ali-marpet-buccaneers-pro-bowler-stunningly-retires-at-28/amp/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 27, 2022, 07:54:22 PM
Ali Marlet Bucs offensive lineman retires af age 28. Wants to maintain health

https://nypost.com/2022/02/27/ali-marpet-buccaneers-pro-bowler-stunningly-retires-at-28/amp/

With the money guys can make early in their careers why not get out while you have your physical health and can life your best life. Marpet shoukd be good for the rest of his life. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/ali-marpet-16785/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on February 27, 2022, 09:23:02 PM
Coming from Vikings news writer especially , this may be the dumbest article every written

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/souhan-packers-fans-paid-high-224800752.html
 (https://www.yahoo.com/news/souhan-packers-fans-paid-high-224800752.html)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on February 28, 2022, 12:47:24 AM
Coming from Vikings news writer especially , this may be the dumbest article every written

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/souhan-packers-fans-paid-high-224800752.html
 (https://www.yahoo.com/news/souhan-packers-fans-paid-high-224800752.html)

What made Brady great is the same thing that has limited Rodgers. Brady always made sure his contracts were very team friendly, which allowed them to stack the team, and have tremendous rosters. Rodgers always wanted to be paid, and paid well. There just hasn't been the roster room, to go get more ammo for him.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 28, 2022, 07:56:50 AM
Rodgers tells his fans they’re suckers

What? Rodgers was traded to the Giants?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MUBBau on February 28, 2022, 09:02:43 AM
Packers finally playing in London
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 28, 2022, 09:13:51 AM
Hopefully no vaccination restrictions at that point.   
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 28, 2022, 12:04:59 PM
What made Brady great is the same thing that has limited Rodgers. Brady always made sure his contracts were very team friendly, which allowed them to stack the team, and have tremendous rosters. Rodgers always wanted to be paid, and paid well. There just hasn't been the roster room, to go get more ammo for him.

I think your post is a little misleading. ARod was not even in the top 5 QBs last year in compensation.

Both players have had contracts structured with signing bonuses to lower their cap numbers. Brady has averaged $13.3 mil per year in his career; Rodgers $12.9 mil.

The real truth lies somewhere in the middle of our 2 posts.

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on March 03, 2022, 03:10:16 PM
https://www.tmj4.com/sports/green-bay-packers/study-finds-aaron-rodgers-to-be-the-most-despised-person-in-the-nfl

Pete Carroll is on my personal list.  Along with Rodgers. 

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 03, 2022, 06:02:51 PM
https://www.tmj4.com/sports/green-bay-packers/study-finds-aaron-rodgers-to-be-the-most-despised-person-in-the-nfl

Pete Carroll is on my personal list.  Along with Rodgers.

Stuff Media
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 03, 2022, 06:35:01 PM
Things going well on the Aaron Rogers front per Ian Rapoport

https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1499490186174083078?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1499490186174083078%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-9805333001281281727.ampproject.net%2F2202230359001%2Fframe.html
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on March 03, 2022, 07:41:00 PM
NFL halts all covid protocols
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2022, 09:32:00 AM
Favre is dragging his decision out and making sure all the reporters that cover the league know about it.  He’s very torn about the lack of attention, I mean where he wants to play
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 05, 2022, 09:34:55 AM
Favre is dragging his decision out and making sure all the reporters that cover the league know about it.  He’s very torn about the lack of attention, I mean where he wants to play

He'll be back.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2022, 09:59:32 AM
He'll be back.

Yeah, Favre just loves the drama.  It stokes his ego
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 05, 2022, 10:31:39 AM
NFL halts all covid protocols


Oh, iz covid over? Hoo new, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WithoutBias on March 05, 2022, 10:33:59 AM

Oh, iz covid over? Hoo new, hey?

COVID’s been over since November 2020. Duh.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on March 05, 2022, 11:24:09 AM
Yeah, Favre just loves the drama.  It stokes his ego
While I know it is hard to tell them apart, but when in doubt remember: Favre is the one that sends dick pics, Rodgers is the one that is a dick.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on March 05, 2022, 11:50:05 AM
Cross off Mike Florio as a knowledgeable sports writer - sure, the packers are going let Rodgers negotiate the trades.

 https://www.yahoo.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-specific-destinations-place-045058307.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-specific-destinations-place-045058307.html)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on March 05, 2022, 12:00:04 PM
Cross off Mike Florio as a knowledgeable sports writer - sure, the packers are going let Rodgers negotiate the trades.

 https://www.yahoo.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-specific-destinations-place-045058307.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-specific-destinations-place-045058307.html)

I think he was crossed off awhile ago. Especially in relation to Packers news.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on March 05, 2022, 02:31:42 PM
Florio is full of crap

 https://mobile.twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/1500124634183880705 (https://mobile.twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/1500124634183880705)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Ardmore Mug on March 05, 2022, 04:00:04 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/04/aaron-rodgers-has-specific-destinations-in-place-if-he-chooses-to-leave-the-packers/

"Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Rodgers has specific deals lined up with other teams — and those teams have trade compensation lined up with the Packers. The potential moves have been arranged, essentially, with the permission of the Packers."
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on March 05, 2022, 04:26:16 PM
See above 4 messages


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/04/aaron-rodgers-has-specific-destinations-in-place-if-he-chooses-to-leave-the-packers/

"Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Rodgers has specific deals lined up with other teams — and those teams have trade compensation lined up with the Packers. The potential moves have been arranged, essentially, with the permission of the Packers."
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 05, 2022, 04:26:23 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/04/aaron-rodgers-has-specific-destinations-in-place-if-he-chooses-to-leave-the-packers/

"Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Rodgers has specific deals lined up with other teams — and those teams have trade compensation lined up with the Packers. The potential moves have been arranged, essentially, with the permission of the Packers."

Profootballtalk IS Mike Florio.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 05, 2022, 04:27:17 PM
See above 4 messages

You beat me by 7 seconds! :o
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2022, 04:36:39 PM
If I had to believe Florio or Favre, I’ll take Florio
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 05, 2022, 04:37:34 PM
He ain't goin' knoware, aina?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on March 05, 2022, 04:46:54 PM
Or a couple hours…


You beat me by 7 seconds! :o
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on March 06, 2022, 09:37:47 AM
Uhh.....what else should those that don't follow football know about this d-tackle Jordan Davis?  6'6 340 lbs?  He ran a 4.78 40??  What kind of destruction and damage are we projecting in the NFL?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 06, 2022, 09:44:41 AM
Uhh.....what else should those that don't follow football know about this d-tackle Jordan Davis?  6'6 340 lbs?  He ran a 4.78 40??  What kind of destruction and damage are we projecting in the NFL?

He's a defensive tackle.  Being fast doesn't mean he is good.

Having said that, this sprint/hype has probably moved him up in the first round.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2022, 09:46:43 AM
Uhh.....what else should those that don't follow football know about this d-tackle Jordan Davis?  6'6 340 lbs?  He ran a 4.78 40??  What kind of destruction and damage are we projecting in the NFL?

Super freaky athlete with the potential to be a dominant NFL player.  Lots of things to consider.  Who drafts him?  What kind of coaching does he get?  What kind of teammates does he have?  Does he have the motor to be great?  Was incredible this past year at Georgia.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 06, 2022, 11:04:58 AM
He's a defensive tackle.  Being fast doesn't mean he is good.

Having said that, this sprint/hype has probably moved him up in the first round.

I mean, he was the Outland and Bednarik award winner, that means he’s good. His speed is notable cause he was already a beast.  His DT teammate actually ran a faster  40
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 06, 2022, 05:07:28 PM
He's a defensive tackle.  Being fast doesn't mean he is good.

Having said that, this sprint/hype has probably moved him up in the first round.

His splits were good too. He's an athletic big man - couple clips circulating of him giving chase down the line.

Hes still a run stopper by default, but he has the athleticism to develop as a pass rusher
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 06, 2022, 05:12:02 PM
Yeah guys, I know.  Which is why I said he is moving up the first round.  lol
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on March 07, 2022, 02:38:34 PM
Calvin ridley suspended for betting on games.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2022, 03:15:40 PM
Calvin ridley suspended for betting on games.

Why?  If owners can offer coaches money to lose, why should Ridley be suspended? 

I dunno.  Maybe I wouldn’t have jumped in bed with every gambling operation if I were sports leagues
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 07, 2022, 03:41:37 PM
Supposedly he was also doing it while he was on his leave from the team for mental health issues.  Not exactly a Pete Rose situation if thats the case.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 07, 2022, 04:27:57 PM
Why?  If owners can offer coaches money to lose, why should Ridley be suspended? 

I dunno.  Maybe I wouldn’t have jumped in bed with every gambling operation if I were sports leagues

Wait until you hear about the Premiere League.

Calvin Ridley didn't bet on NFL games because the league has a deal with BetMGM, any more than Aldon Smith has a drinking problem because of all the Bud Light commercials.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2022, 04:37:24 PM
Wait until you hear about the Premiere League.

Calvin Ridley didn't bet on NFL games because the league has a deal with BetMGM, any more than Aldon Smith has a drinking problem because of all the Bud Light commercials.

Right.  He should be able to bet on games
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 07, 2022, 04:57:17 PM
Right.  He should be able to bet on games

No, he shouldn't.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2022, 04:57:58 PM
No, he shouldn't.

I disagree
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 07, 2022, 05:45:55 PM
I disagree

I see that.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 07, 2022, 08:51:26 PM
An athlete shouldn't bet on his or her own league's games.

There are plenty of other sports he or she can bet on. If it's too much of a burden to avoid betting on NFL games, an NFL player can become an ex-NFL player.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 07, 2022, 09:05:04 PM
An athlete shouldn't bet on his or her own league's games.

There are plenty of other sports he or she can bet on. If it's too much of a burden to avoid betting on NFL games, an NFL player can become an ex-NFL player.

This is the correct response.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 10:28:07 AM
As I said all along - Rodgers signs in GB.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: YaBlueIt on March 08, 2022, 10:33:11 AM
As I said all along - Rodgers signs in GB.

4 years, $200 million. $153m guaranteed. Makes him the highest paid player in NFL history.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on March 08, 2022, 10:34:39 AM
That should help the salary cap
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on March 08, 2022, 10:40:16 AM
That should help the salary cap

NFL salary cap problems are easily navigable.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: YaBlueIt on March 08, 2022, 10:40:25 AM
This pretty much confirms Adams is back. Rodgers would want some sort of assurance the Packers would re-sign him before agreeing to a deal.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 10:45:22 AM
This pretty much confirms Adams is back. Rodgers would want some sort of assurance the Packers would re-sign him before agreeing to a deal.

I agree.


I predicted during his standoff last summer that he would be under center in September. I predicted the last couple months that he would be back next year. My final prediction is he will not play out all 4 years in GB.

Oops. One more. Gutey will draft a WR - probably Olave or Williams.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on March 08, 2022, 10:46:27 AM
But I was told by all the bears fans on the board he wasn’t coming back.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on March 08, 2022, 10:50:21 AM
The Jordan Love pick worked out beautifully.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 08, 2022, 10:55:40 AM
Chit, knot only duz he own da Bears, he kan buy 'em, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on March 08, 2022, 10:56:06 AM
not quite as good as bears pick trubisky
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 08, 2022, 10:56:38 AM
Adios Love, and da horse ewe road inn on, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 08, 2022, 11:14:01 AM
That should help the salary cap

Salary cap went up $26 million to $208 million for the 2022 season, and is expected to go up just as much for 2023.
This won't be an issue.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on March 08, 2022, 11:17:59 AM
Pack tagged Adams.

They'll go for a super bowl for 2-3 years with Rodgers.

They'll kick the salary cap "can" down the road to the years after Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 08, 2022, 11:18:34 AM
Pack still has a Championship run left so this signing makes sense for both parties.

Now get special teams fixed
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 11:36:28 AM
The Jordan Love pick worked out beautifully.

Yeah.  I think this deal says almost as much about their confidence in Love's future as it does wanting AR back.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: pacearrow02 on March 08, 2022, 11:38:31 AM
The Jordan Love pick worked out beautifully.

Love is 23, don’t think they’ll be ready to
move on quite yet….if Jockey’s hunch is right that Rodgers will not play the full 4 years, having a 26 year old just entering his Prime (age wise) and well versed by that point in the offense isn’t a terrible back up plan.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 11:39:19 AM
Pack tagged Adams.



I think that is temporary - deadline was today. Now that Rodgers contract is done, Adams will be re-signed soon - probably for 4 years.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2022, 11:41:17 AM
I guess the Packers aren’t serious about winning Super Bowls.  Feel bad for the fans
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 11:41:28 AM
Love is 23, don’t think they’ll be ready to
move on quite yet….if Jockey’s hunch is right that Rodgers will not play the full 4 years, having a 26 year old just entering his Prime (age wise) and well versed by that point in the offense isn’t a terrible back up plan.

Wrong. They would have to pick up Love's 5th year option for that to occur. I would be shocked if they do.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 08, 2022, 11:45:36 AM
Love wuz da best thang dat happened two #12, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on March 08, 2022, 11:46:58 AM
Love is 23, don’t think they’ll be ready to
move on quite yet….if Jockey’s hunch is right that Rodgers will not play the full 4 years, having a 26 year old just entering his Prime (age wise) and well versed by that point in the offense isn’t a terrible back up plan.

And in the meantime, he's as affordable a backup QB as you'll find. So might as well ride it out.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 08, 2022, 12:05:10 PM
We talked about this a lot, 99.9% of players who try to burn down their franchise the morning of the draft will not be employed by said team much longer. However, with Rodgers, the one thing that was always going to bring him back was a massive new contract. I'm skeptical that the final numbers will be 4 years/$200 mil with the $153 fully guaranteed upfront. I'd expect this to be a four year, year to year deal, where by Rodgers signing bonus pays out in installments every March 1st going forward, and the "will he come back?" narrative will play out each year still moving forward, but gives the team some level of protection from cap hell.

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 08, 2022, 12:29:51 PM
If we're considering age and contract (which we always should when evaluating players), Justin Fields is already the top QB in the NFC North and it's not even close. And I say that as someone who stands by my criticism of Ryan Pace for trading up for him.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 08, 2022, 12:57:12 PM
If we're considering age and contract (which we always should when evaluating players), Justin Fields is already the top QB in the NFC North and it's not even close. And I say that as someone who stands by my criticism of Ryan Pace for trading up for him.

I mean, if you consider paying a QB a bad thing and don't care much about on-field performance, sure.
But otherwise, I'm not so sure that the guy with the worst QBR in the NFL last season is better than Aaron Rodgers.
As for the importance of age and contract, only two of the last 15 Super Bowl winning QBs were on the first contract and/or under the age of 27.


Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on March 08, 2022, 01:03:54 PM
Russell Wilson to Broncos.  Stealing some spotlight from AR.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 01:06:12 PM
Dominoes are falling!
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 01:08:51 PM
We talked about this a lot, 99.9% of players who try to burn down their franchise the morning of the draft will not be employed by said team much longer. However, with Rodgers, the one thing that was always going to bring him back was a massive new contract. I'm skeptical that the final numbers will be 4 years/$200 mil with the $153 fully guaranteed upfront. I'd expect this to be a four year, year to year deal, where by Rodgers signing bonus pays out in installments every March 1st going forward, and the "will he come back?" narrative will play out each year still moving forward, but gives the team some level of protection from cap hell.

Early reports were a $55 Mil signing bonus payed immediately w/ $2 million salary for '22.

We'll see if that is correct. I expect he will play 3 years and then mull retirement. I doubt if he will ever play for a different team.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 08, 2022, 01:09:58 PM
I mean, if you consider paying a QB a bad thing and don't care much about on-field performance, sure.
But otherwise, I'm not so sure that the guy with the worst QBR in the NFL last season is better than Aaron Rodgers.
As for the importance of age and contract, only two of the last 15 Super Bowl winning QBs were on the first contract and/or under the age of 27.

https://twitter.com/michaeldavsmith/status/1136709172446269444 (https://twitter.com/michaeldavsmith/status/1136709172446269444)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 08, 2022, 01:21:36 PM
Hoo boy, Denver went all in like nobody's gone all in since the Herschel Walker trade.


Seattle gets QB Drew Lock, TE Noah Fant, DL Shelby Harris, two first-round picks, two second-round picks and a fifth-round pick.

Denver gets Russell Wilson and a fourth-round pick.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2022, 01:27:29 PM
Hoo boy, Denver went all in like nobody's gone all in since the Herschel Walker trade.


Seattle gets QB Drew Lock, TE Noah Fant, DL Shelby Harris, two first-round picks, two second-round picks and a fifth-round pick.

Denver gets Russell Wilson and a fourth-round pick.

Seahawks got better today while the Packers got worse
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 08, 2022, 01:31:14 PM
Hoo boy, Denver went all in like nobody's gone all in since the Herschel Walker trade.


Seattle gets QB Drew Lock, TE Noah Fant, DL Shelby Harris, two first-round picks, two second-round picks and a fifth-round pick.

Denver gets Russell Wilson and a fourth-round pick.

That’s a lot more than I’d be willing to part ways with for someone who might be washed up.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 01:32:05 PM
Seahawks got better today while the Packers got worse

You think having Love or Locke at QB makes GB better?

I know you don't like ARod, but that is next level crazy.

Drew Locke is not leading Seattle to the promised land. Plus, there are no franchise QBs for them to grab with the picks they got back.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2022, 01:33:47 PM
You think having Love or Locke at QB makes GB better?

I know you don't like ARod, but that is next level crazy.

Drew Locke is not leading Seattle to the promised land. Plus, there are no franchise QBs for them to grab with the picks they got back.

Seattle got rid of a malcontent and can start fresh.  Short term pain for long term gain
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 08, 2022, 01:42:55 PM
Hoo boy, Denver went all in like nobody's gone all in since the Herschel Walker trade.


Seattle gets QB Drew Lock, TE Noah Fant, DL Shelby Harris, two first-round picks, two second-round picks and a fifth-round pick.

Denver gets Russell Wilson and a fourth-round pick.

Homestead High School stand up!  Dude had a really roundabout path to being a regular NFL contributor but made the most of his chances in a couple marquee spots.  Good for him for getting past some immaturity and "character" issues in his youth

Great move for the Seahawks.  They can see what they have in Locke and Eason for a season while they figure out if Carson will ever not be made of glass.  They upgrade a weak TE position.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 08, 2022, 01:44:09 PM
You think having Love or Locke at QB makes GB better?

I know you don't like ARod, but that is next level crazy.

Drew Locke is not leading Seattle to the promised land. Plus, there are no franchise QBs for them to grab with the picks they got back.

I'd be surprised if Seattle sees Lock as their longtime answer at QB. He's the least valuable asset they received in this deal.
But they get two good starters (Fant and Harris) and the #9 and #40 picks in the upcoming draft, which should mean two more young starters if they don't mess it up.
Then they get Denver's first two picks in 2023. Russ is great and all, but the AFC West is going to be a murderer's row next year, so those easily could be a top 20 and a top 50 pick, or better ... and hence two more young starters if Seattle picks well.
That's a heck of a start to what was an inevitable rebuilding process. As has been noted, Seattle likely wasn't going to win with Russ anyhow.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on March 08, 2022, 01:47:46 PM
Seattle got rid of a malcontent and can start fresh.  Short term pain for long term gain

Yeah, I was hoping GB would rip off that bandaid this year
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 08, 2022, 01:49:04 PM
If I'm Tom Brady, I'm coming back immediately and negotiating my exit out of Tampa and out to San Francisco.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 01:57:44 PM
Seattle got rid of a malcontent and can start fresh.  Short term pain for long term gain

Lots of teams have gone for decades without a franchise-type QB.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2022, 02:03:14 PM
Lots of teams have gone for decades without a franchise-type QB.

Listen, I know Packers fans can’t see Rodgers for what he is.  I get it.  I’m a recovering fan looking to come back to the family after he’s gone but he’s not taking this team to the promised land.  And after they come up short again in 2022, how long will they have to wait next off-season for him to decide if he wants to retire or not like 4?

If we’re so concerned the franchise can’t find another qb, then maybe that says the front office isn’t any good.  It’s time to say good bye and thank him for all the cool regular season stats.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 08, 2022, 02:37:58 PM
 ::)

https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/status/1501282463632568322?s=20&t=FbNDXmmBq-i-BeC_VKePKQ
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on March 08, 2022, 02:38:05 PM
the pack has at least one more year to "hope" as opposed to what most other teams do not have.  if we had jordan love, we have no hope.  that's a lost season.  yeah, i guess it sucks to be the best team in the NFL only to lose in 1st or 2nd round, but still have that chance most other teams don't.  i'll go with the former every day
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 04:08:16 PM
I'd be surprised if Seattle sees Lock as their longtime answer at QB. He's the least valuable asset they received in this deal.
But they get two good starters (Fant and Harris) and the #9 and #40 picks in the upcoming draft, which should mean two more young starters if they don't mess it up.
Then they get Denver's first two picks in 2023. Russ is great and all, but the AFC West is going to be a murderer's row next year, so those easily could be a top 20 and a top 50 pick, or better ... and hence two more young starters if Seattle picks well.
That's a heck of a start to what was an inevitable rebuilding process. As has been noted, Seattle likely wasn't going to win with Russ anyhow.

Stroud or Young may be franchise QBs when/if they come out next year, but it is doubtful Seattle will be bad enough this year to be in position to get either. So they are getting a good young piece in Fant and 4 high picks, but not a QB to tie it together. They will be able to re-build an awful defense, but it will be like watching the Bears on offense.

Still, a great trade for both teams.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 04:10:03 PM
::)

https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/status/1501282463632568322?s=20&t=FbNDXmmBq-i-BeC_VKePKQ

He hasn't signed yet. When he does, Schefter will be the first to announce it with the actual terms of the deal.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 08, 2022, 04:12:31 PM
Since Peyton Manning retired in 2015, Denver has had the following QBs:
Trevor Siemian
Paxton Lynch
Brock Osweiler
Case Keenum
Drew Lock
Joe Flacco
Brandon Allen
Jeff Driskel
Brett Rypien
Teddy Bridgewater

That could be Seattle for the next half dozen years.

The Athletic gave a B+ grade to Denver and a D to Seattle. Maybe a little harsh, but of the 20 teams that have made the championship round in the last five years, 18 (90%) had an offense that finished in the top quarter (8th or better) in Football Outsiders’ DVOA metric. I don't expect Seattle to do that for several years.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on March 08, 2022, 04:23:51 PM
The Jordan Love pick worked out beautifully.

jsonline agrees with you
In the two seasons since general manager Brian Gutekunst stunned the NFL by trading up to select Love in the first round of the 2020 draft, Aaron Rodgers has returned to MVP form and now is on the verge of signing a contract extension with the Packers.

How many first-round picks can say they’ve had that kind of impact on their team? Because to think the Love pick had nothing to do with Rodgers’ play ignores basic human nature. Rodgers wanted to put himself back in the driver’s seat and stick it to Gutekunst from the moment the GM drafted Love. The only way to do that was to play great football.

This was Tom Brady-Jimmy Garoppolo all over again.

“As for the narrative Love was a wasted a pick, I disagree,” a former GM in the league said Tuesday. “That pick totally refocused and refreshed Rodgers as a player and as a competitor.”
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2022, 04:27:18 PM
Since Peyton Manning retired in 2015, Denver has had the following QBs:
Trevor Siemian
Paxton Lynch
Brock Osweiler
Case Keenum
Drew Lock
Joe Flacco
Brandon Allen
Jeff Driskel
Brett Rypien
Teddy Bridgewater

That could be Seattle for the next half dozen years.

The Athletic gave a B+ grade to Denver and a D to Seattle. Maybe a little harsh, but of the 20 teams that have made the championship round in the last five years, 18 (90%) had an offense that finished in the top quarter (8th or better) in Football Outsiders’ DVOA metric. I don't expect Seattle to do that for several years.

It’s a good thing Seattle drafted Russell Wilson in the 3rd round.  The GOAT was a 6th round pick.

Mahomes and Allen had as many questions as answers when they were drafted.

Seattle shedded an overpriced QB and can begin a rebuild.  Smart to cut bait instead of keeping around a QB for nostalgia sake
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 08, 2022, 04:37:06 PM
jsonline agrees with you
In the two seasons since general manager Brian Gutekunst stunned the NFL by trading up to select Love in the first round of the 2020 draft, Aaron Rodgers has returned to MVP form and now is on the verge of signing a contract extension with the Packers.

How many first-round picks can say they’ve had that kind of impact on their team? Because to think the Love pick had nothing to do with Rodgers’ play ignores basic human nature. Rodgers wanted to put himself back in the driver’s seat and stick it to Gutekunst from the moment the GM drafted Love. The only way to do that was to play great football.

This was Tom Brady-Jimmy Garoppolo all over again.

“As for the narrative Love was a wasted a pick, I disagree,” a former GM in the league said Tuesday. “That pick totally refocused and refreshed Rodgers as a player and as a competitor.”

This is a brilliant take.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 08, 2022, 04:45:51 PM
Stroud or Young may be franchise QBs when/if they come out next year, but it is doubtful Seattle will be bad enough this year to be in position to get either. So they are getting a good young piece in Fant and 4 high picks, but not a QB to tie it together. They will be able to re-build an awful defense, but it will be like watching the Bears on offense.

Still, a great trade for both teams.

Seattle may not be bad enough next year to get a top 3 pick, but thanks to this trade they'll have the draft capital to move up and get one of those picks.
Then again, they might be bad enough to get a top 3 pick on their own. NFC West is tough and the Seahawks have to play the AFC West next year, which is probably 4 losses.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 08, 2022, 06:01:04 PM
Seattle may not be bad enough next year to get a top 3 pick, but thanks to this trade they'll have the draft capital to move up and get one of those picks.
Then again, they might be bad enough to get a top 3 pick on their own. NFC West is tough and the Seahawks have to play the AFC West next year, which is probably 4 losses.

They also get the NFC South, Detroit, and both NYC teams.

I do wonder if they’ll try to move Metcalf. He’ll be in the final year of his rookie deal and I’m not sure what his trade value will be based on him needing a new contract. Vegas would be an interesting landing spot for Metcalf.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 08, 2022, 09:19:05 PM
I do wonder if they’ll try to move Metcalf. He’ll be in the final year of his rookie deal and I’m not sure what his trade value will be based on him needing a new contract. Vegas would be an interesting landing spot for Metcalf

Metcalf might be one of the players worth keeping, given his age. Lockett would seem the guy Seattle would want to deal.
That said, any trade for Metcalf might need to be predicated on having an extension in place. Not sure Seattle could get value for him otherwise.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 09, 2022, 12:49:58 PM
Carson Wentz to the Football Team Commanders for two third-round picks.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 09, 2022, 01:34:27 PM
Great deal for the Colts. Wentz is awful.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 09, 2022, 03:18:00 PM
“As for the narrative Love was a wasted a pick, I disagree,” a former GM in the league said Tuesday. “That pick totally refocused and refreshed Rodgers as a player and as a competitor.”

Yep, all the Packers had to do was trade up to draft a bad QB so that the guy they were paying tens of millions of dollars to could be refocused and refreshed enough to choke in the playoffs again.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 09, 2022, 04:56:58 PM
Yep, all the Packers had to do was trade up to draft a bad QB so that the guy they were paying tens of millions of dollars to could be refocused and refreshed enough to choke in the playoffs again.

Haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2022, 04:59:12 PM
Haters gonna hate.

He’s not wrong
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on March 10, 2022, 03:51:28 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1502038653366939661?t=E2oRJSJawm2uNPGMxoS9qw&s=19

Bears trading Mack.

Whoa
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2022, 04:02:17 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1502038653366939661?t=E2oRJSJawm2uNPGMxoS9qw&s=19

Bears trading Mack.

Whoa

2nd and 6th round pick.  Like this move for the Bears
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 10, 2022, 04:14:34 PM
Not shocked on the Mack trade, this was going to be his last season in Chicago, Bears got something for him. They’ll carry $24 mil in dead cap on Mack, but it’ll actually create $6 million in cap space.

Loved the trade with Oakland when it happened, didn’t pan out, but still think it was a shot worth taking.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 10, 2022, 04:14:38 PM
2nd and 6th round pick.  Like this move for the Bears

They need draft picks bad.  Like the move.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 10, 2022, 04:17:16 PM
Good move for the Bears.  Mack was not going to be a key piece to the next good Bears team so better to recoup some assets now. 

Now could Quinn also be on the move? 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2022, 04:17:43 PM
They need draft picks bad.  Like the move.

They weren’t re-signing him.  I’m sure a lot of people think they didn’t get enough but I’m not sure what his market was/is.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 10, 2022, 04:23:25 PM
They weren’t re-signing him.  I’m sure a lot of people think they didn’t get enough but I’m not sure what his market was/is.

He was still under contract through 2024. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 10, 2022, 04:23:26 PM
Good move for the Bears.  Mack was not going to be a key piece to the next good Bears team so better to recoup some assets now. 

Now could Quinn also be on the move?

Quinn’s contract is very reasonable. I get that he’s 32, but I’d expect if they do move him, they’d get a slightly better return than on Mack.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2022, 04:24:52 PM
He was still under contract through 2024.

I see that. I mis-read something elsewhere.  Still think it was the right move long term
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 10, 2022, 04:31:40 PM
I see that. I mis-read something elsewhere.  Still think it was the right move long term

It was absolutely the right move.  Love Mack and hope he does well for the Chargers but he was not going to be a big contributor when (if) the Bears are good again.  Plus he's older, declining and recently injury prone.  No complaints from me on the move. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 10, 2022, 05:33:42 PM
Quinn’s contract is very reasonable. I get that he’s 32, but I’d expect if they do move him, they’d get a slightly better return than on Mack.

Here's what would worry me about Quinn:

2016 - 4 sacks
2017 - 8.5 sacks
2018 - 6.5 sacks
2019 - 11.5 sacks
2020 - 2 sacks
2021 - 18.5 sacks

He's had a real hard time putting together back-to-back seasons since 2013-14.

Anyhow, while it's far from his fault, hard to look at the Mack trade as anything but a failure for the Bears. They gave up two firsts and handed him $91 million over four years and didn't win a single playoff game.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2022, 05:42:50 PM
Here's what would worry me about Quinn:

2016 - 4 sacks
2017 - 8.5 sacks
2018 - 6.5 sacks
2019 - 11.5 sacks
2020 - 2 sacks
2021 - 18.5 sacks

He's had a real hard time putting together back-to-back seasons since 2013-14.

Anyhow, while it's far from his fault, hard to look at the Mack trade as anything but a failure for the Bears. They gave up two firsts and handed him $91 million over four years and didn't win a single playoff game.

Yup
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 10, 2022, 06:00:30 PM
Here's what would worry me about Quinn:

2016 - 4 sacks
2017 - 8.5 sacks
2018 - 6.5 sacks
2019 - 11.5 sacks
2020 - 2 sacks
2021 - 18.5 sacks

He's had a real hard time putting together back-to-back seasons since 2013-14.

Anyhow, while it's far from his fault, hard to look at the Mack trade as anything but a failure for the Bears. They gave up two firsts and handed him $91 million over four years and didn't win a single playoff game.

Yeah, it didn’t work out, but I still don’t mind that Pace made that move at the time.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 10, 2022, 06:15:27 PM
Yeah, it didn’t work out, but I still don’t mind that Pace made that move at the time.

Yup.  It was a very un-Bears move that I liked.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 10, 2022, 06:36:12 PM
Anyhow, while it's far from his fault, hard to look at the Mack trade as anything but a failure for the Bears. They gave up two firsts and handed him $91 million over four years and didn't win a single playoff game.

Yet another infuriating footnote from the Pace/Nagy era.  The trade/contract was good.  Mack did everything he was advertised to, especially early on, but they just didn't have the comprehensive team for it to matter.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 10, 2022, 07:26:56 PM
Yeah, it didn’t work out, but I still don’t mind that Pace made that move at the time.

You make a move like that when you think you're one star player away from contending.
Easy to say in hindsight, of course, but Pace obviously misjudged how close the Bears were to contending.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 10, 2022, 07:30:45 PM
You make a move like that when you think you're one star player away from contending.
Easy to say in hindsight, of course, but Pace obviously misjudged how close the Bears were to contending.

Pace misjudged a lot of things.....
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on March 10, 2022, 08:52:54 PM
Yeah, it didn’t work out, but I still don’t mind that Pace made that move at the time.

My first thought was that this shows how much of a colossal failure the trade was. But after reading your posts, I agree that it was a risk worth taking and at the time a bold move.

Sometimes I forget that hindsight is 20/20...but doesn't mean a decision at the time was a bad one.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2022, 07:13:58 AM
Not shocked on the Mack trade, this was going to be his last season in Chicago, Bears got something for him. They’ll carry $24 mil in dead cap on Mack, but it’ll actually create $6 million in cap space.

Loved the trade with Oakland when it happened, didn’t pan out, but still think it was a shot worth taking.

Agree on all counts. With the Bears moving to a 4-3, Mack was a not a fit moving forward.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 11, 2022, 07:25:37 AM
Agree on all counts. With the Bears moving to a 4-3, Mack was a not a fit moving forward.

He was DPOY in a 4-3 in Oakland.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2022, 07:40:12 AM
He was DPOY in a 4-3 in Oakland.

Doesn't mean he was a good fit in the Colts scheme which is very much stop the rush first. In the Bears 3-4 his value was as a pass rusher.  Can Smith convert to be a MLB? Can an aging Mack convert to a Will LB in that scheme? Not so much imo. Worth the trade thus.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 11, 2022, 08:00:44 AM
Doesn't mean he was a good fit in the Colts scheme which is very much stop the rush first. In the Bears 3-4 his value was as a pass rusher.  Can Smith convert to be a MLB? Can an aging Mack convert to a Will LB in that scheme? Not so much imo. Worth the trade thus.

From what I've read many think Smith fits best at the Will in Eberflus' defense. 

Mack wasn't an incomplete player....he was also good against the run and I think he would have been fine in the 4-3.  Still the right move to trade him now while he had value and you can gain assets and cap space. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 11, 2022, 08:26:48 AM
Doesn't mean he was a good fit in the Colts scheme which is very much stop the rush first. In the Bears 3-4 his value was as a pass rusher.  Can Smith convert to be a MLB? Can an aging Mack convert to a Will LB in that scheme? Not so much imo. Worth the trade thus.

I'm not knocking the trade, just the idea that Mack has scheme limitations.
Justin Houston, a similar but older and lesser player, had success in 2019 and 2020 as a hand-in-the-dirt DE in the Colts' 4-3.
And, as Vander mentioned, Mack is an elite run-stopper.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2022, 08:56:17 AM
I'm not knocking the trade, just the idea that Mack has scheme limitations.
Justin Houston, a similar but older and lesser player, had success in 2019 and 2020 as a hand-in-the-dirt DE in the Colts' 4-3.
And, as Vander mentioned, Mack is an elite run-stopper.

The Will plays between the tackle and the guard. I don't see that as Mack's strength or more so, value (good point Vander on it being Smith's).

More so, the Bears obviously didn't think Mack was the best fit either as they traded him (the Sam linebacker usually comes out in the Nickel). Staley is a Fangio protégée with the 3-4 and in fact was Mack's coach with the 2018 Bears (his best Bears' season).

In any regard, glad the Bears were able to get good value for a guy who has been pretty banged up. I think we can all agree he was elite.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 11, 2022, 09:02:49 AM
The Will plays between the tackle and the guard. I don't see that as Mack's strength or more so, value (good point Vander on it being Smith's).


Maybe we're talking past each other at this point, but I don't think Mack is a WILL in a 4-3. I think he's a 9 tech DE, which is basically what he played in Oakland.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2022, 09:09:43 AM
Maybe we're talking past each other at this point, but I don't think Mack is a WILL in a 4-3. I think he's a 9 tech DE, which is basically what he played in Oakland.

Agree. I was arguing fit in the Colts system and the only spot I could see for him was Will which is not a fit. Fangio more than Pagano played Mack as that pass rusher and blitzed a lot more. I thought Pagano wasted Mack's talent.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 11, 2022, 02:43:29 PM
Bears will have $158 million in cap space going into next off season (that’ll change based on what they do this year, but I don’t expect them to spend big). They’ll also create $17 mil next March when they release Eddie Jackson and Eddie Goldman.

Be interesting to see what Poles philosophy will be, especially with what type of extension they offer to Roquan Smith.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on March 11, 2022, 02:51:02 PM
Bears will have $158 million in cap space going into next off season (that’ll change based on what they do this year, but I don’t expect them to spend big). They’ll also create $17 mil next March when they release Eddie Jackson and Eddie Goldman.

Be interesting to see what Poles philosophy will be, especially with what type of extension they offer to Roquan Smith.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1502379374548561923?t=1m3TGF0SRPbM-KLGIpc6sQ&s=19

Bears releasing Goldman today
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 11, 2022, 03:01:42 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1502379374548561923?t=1m3TGF0SRPbM-KLGIpc6sQ&s=19

Bears releasing Goldman today

Yeah, heard that just now. Was going to happen either this year or next, not surprising.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 11, 2022, 03:56:58 PM
Deshaun Watson cleared of all criminal charges
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 11, 2022, 03:59:43 PM
Good to see Schefter being a stooge again. Only been a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 11, 2022, 04:08:32 PM
Good to see Schefter being a stooge again. Only been a couple of weeks.

Schefter is simply a mouthpiece for Goodell and the owners. When they want info put out, they leak it to him.

Same as MLB does for Jeff Passan. Rosenthal used to be that guy - until he actually started wring what he saw.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 11, 2022, 04:17:12 PM
Schefter is simply a mouthpiece for Goodell and the owners. When they want info put out, they leak it to him.

Same as MLB does for Jeff Passan. Rosenthal used to be that guy - until he actually started wring what he saw.

Passan is a players writer.  He is most definitely not an owners or league guy
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2022, 04:41:23 PM
Bears cut Cohen too
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on March 11, 2022, 06:30:10 PM
Deshaun Watson cleared of all criminal charges

  dodged 22 legal bullets eyn'a? 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 11, 2022, 06:45:28 PM
Schefter is simply a mouthpiece for Goodell and the owners. When they want info put out, they leak it to him.

Same as MLB does for Jeff Passan. Rosenthal used to be that guy - until he actually started wring what he saw.

MLB owners criticize Passan for usually taking the players’ side.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 12, 2022, 01:23:03 PM
Dallas trading Amari Cooper to the Browns for a 5th round pick.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2022, 03:54:53 PM
Deshaun Watson cleared of all criminal charges

I've read a half-dozen articles since this happened, and all 6 mention the Panthers prominently as a landing site.

Panthers owner David Tepper has been high on Watson since before there were any charges against Watson. He also was vocal about cleaning up the franchise's image; the team was sold only because the previous owner was basically fired by the league for being a sexual deviant.

Plus, numerous advanced offensive-line metrics indicate that the Panthers have one of the 3 worst lines in the league. They are expected to address that in the draft and free agency ... unless they trade all their first-round pick in this and future drafts for Watson, whose $35M/year contract also would use up much of their cap space.

Plus the Panthers have no second- or third-round picks this year, so if they trade their first for Watson, they have little chance to draft a lineman who'll be any good. And if they pay Watson, it's hard to see how they'll pay a lineman.

Plus, Watson has a no-trade clause and in the past has vetoed Carolina as a destination.

Plus there are still 22 civil suits outstanding against Watson. And the league could still suspend him.

And then there's the fact that in Watson's best season, the Texans were still 4-12. Turns out that even a standout QB can't rescue a horrid team.

As much as I want the Panthers to have an elite QB, if I put all that together it's hard for me to be excited about a deal for Watson.

Maybe they figure out a way to keep this year's draft pick (#6 overall) to draft a lineman. And maybe they figure out a way to restructure Watson's contract and/or to dump Darnold's $19M salary to open cap space. All after maybe they convince Watson to waive his no-trade clause.

Wow ... that's a lot of maybes.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 12, 2022, 04:40:21 PM
Great reasoning for GB signing Rodgers.

Beats being the Panthers, Jets, Bears, Giants, Commanders, etc.

Yet that is what many Packers’ fans want.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 13, 2022, 06:15:35 PM
Brady unretires.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 13, 2022, 06:20:48 PM
Brady unretires.

Awesome
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2022, 06:21:38 PM
Shortest retirement ever?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 13, 2022, 06:29:27 PM
Shut up and throw da fookin' ball, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2022, 06:59:05 PM
Spent a month being a full-time dad and said, “When’s minicamp?”
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 13, 2022, 07:06:36 PM
I never thought Brady wanted to retire. Seemed like the Missus was pushing it .

With the higher salary cap can Tampa reload with some new talent to surround Brady. Obviously , Gronk will come back now.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on March 13, 2022, 10:45:42 PM
Spent a month being a full-time dad and said, “When’s minicamp?”

Meh, spent 6 weeks loading up on PEDs for recovery and added strength, without having to worry about being tested. When the short acting drugs dropped below testable levels, signed back up for another season.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 14, 2022, 11:36:18 AM
70% of Panthers fans surveyed by The Athletic do not want the team to pursue Watson.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 14, 2022, 11:49:57 AM
70% of Panthers fans surveyed by The Athletic do not want the team to pursue Watson.

So 30% of Panther fans are looking forward to supporting a creep who sexually assaults women.

And Packers fans turn on ARod cuz he’s a needy diva? A crazy world, man.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 14, 2022, 12:01:43 PM
Steelers signing the NVP, aka Mitch Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 14, 2022, 02:19:11 PM
Christian Kirk got PAID.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 14, 2022, 02:20:16 PM
Christian Kirk got PAID.

Just beat me to this.
Somewhere, Davante Adams is making plans to buy a few more mansions.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 14, 2022, 02:44:06 PM
Adams really isn’t gonna want to play for the Packers now.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 14, 2022, 02:54:22 PM
DT Larry Ogunjobi to the Bears, 3/$40.5.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 14, 2022, 04:01:46 PM
JC Jackson to the Chargers, that defense could be really good.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 14, 2022, 04:08:41 PM
Christian Kirk’s deal is essentially 2 years/$39 million.

I’d have big concerns if I were a Packer fan about Adams. There’s a 1% chance he plays on the tag this year. When the tag number is what Christian F’n Kirk is getting, that’s a big problem.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on March 14, 2022, 04:26:50 PM
Christian Kirk’s deal is essentially 2 years/$39 million.

I’d have big concerns if I were a Packer fan about Adams. There’s a 1% chance he plays on the tag this year. When the tag number is what Christian F’n Kirk is getting, that’s a big problem.

Haha - does Rodgers pull a reverse Brady if they can't find a way to extend Adams?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on March 14, 2022, 05:28:58 PM
Rodgers isn’t signed but Packers are moving again. Getting Campbell back is huge, also re-signing Preston Smith.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 14, 2022, 08:08:39 PM
DT Larry Ogunjobi to the Bears, 3/$40.5.

Can't really explain this one. You're trying to dump salary, so you spend a lot on a DT that is a good player but is just 'fine'
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 14, 2022, 09:21:43 PM
So 30% of Panther fans are looking forward to supporting a creep who sexually assaults women.

And Packers fans turn on ARod cuz he’s a needy diva? A crazy world, man.

I guess that's one way to look at it.

FWIW, I'm part of the 70%.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on March 15, 2022, 09:22:45 AM
About 24 hours before Tom Brady unretired, somebody paid like $580K for the football he threw his last touchdown with.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on March 15, 2022, 10:20:25 AM
About 24 hours before Tom Brady unretired, somebody paid like $580K for the football he threw his last touchdown with.

I could see Tom being the seller (or using a straw seller) just to squeeze every last drop of juice outta the retirement orange too.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 15, 2022, 01:15:52 PM
About 24 hours before Tom Brady unretired, somebody paid like $580K for the football he threw his last a touchdown with.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 16, 2022, 07:06:56 PM
Kirk Cousins does it again get another fully guaranteed extension . This time for $35 million.

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/16/kirk-cousins-michael-jordan-contract-negotiations/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 16, 2022, 07:28:30 PM
Kirk Cousins does it again get another fully guaranteed extension . This time for $35 million.

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/16/kirk-cousins-michael-jordan-contract-negotiations/


Good.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 17, 2022, 03:02:00 PM
Happy for Allen Robinson, good dude, really good player in some mediocre/bad offenses around him. Gets paid and goes to a great situation for him.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 17, 2022, 03:53:26 PM
Happy for Allen Robinson, good dude, really good player in some mediocre/bad offenses around him. Gets paid and goes to a great situation for him.

Totally agree.  He's gonna put up BIG numbers as the number #2 behind Kupp.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on March 17, 2022, 06:34:13 PM
Bye Davante
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 06:37:34 PM
Bye Davante

AFC West is going to be nuts.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 17, 2022, 06:37:49 PM
Why pay Rodgers
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2022, 06:42:33 PM
Why pay Rodgers

Because an elite QB is WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than having an elite WR.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 06:45:35 PM
Because an elite QB is WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than having an elite WR.

Sure, but why give your notoriously mercurial elite QB $50 million a year and then not surround him with the pieces needed to win a championship and keep him happy?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 17, 2022, 06:45:43 PM
Hate to see him go - but you can't pay everyone.

I'd much rather have Jaire & Elgton re-sign than Adams (mainly because of age).
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 17, 2022, 06:49:49 PM
I thought Vegas would trade for a stud WR, but thought it would be DK Metcalf.

Once Kirk signed his ridiculous contract, it was the end of the end of Adams in Green Bay. There was no way they could pay him and Rodgers in the neighborhood of $75-$80 million this year and next.

It would be hilarious if Green Bay drafted a QB with the first round pick acquired from Vegas.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 06:50:57 PM
Adams' new contract = $141.25M over 5 years.
Of course, what really counts is what's guaranteed.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 17, 2022, 06:52:21 PM
Rapaport reporting that Rodgers knew. Confusing times. Can't wait for WR1 Cole Beasley
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on March 17, 2022, 06:57:32 PM
https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1504606438425088003?t=FkGj4mRtyQadkatQjYlE1g&s=19

Adams wanted out. Qaron knew all along
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 17, 2022, 07:00:59 PM
Congrats on everyone getting paid. Would have been nice to let someone else absorb a 70m dead cap hit under the circumstances
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2022, 07:01:37 PM
Sure, but why give your notoriously mercurial elite QB $50 million a year and then not surround him with the pieces needed to win a championship and keep him happy?


Apparently the Packers don't believe that signing Adams to a monsterous contract is necessary to win a championship.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 17, 2022, 07:07:30 PM

Apparently the Packers don't believe that signing Adams to a monsterous contract is necessary to win a championship.

They are incorrect.

I will say, Rodgers will likely avoid a lot of bad tendencies (that often ended in glorious ways) without Adams
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2022, 07:10:43 PM
They are incorrect.

Well I trust Gutey more than you when it comes to that opinion.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 07:17:00 PM

Apparently the Packers don't believe that signing Adams to a monsterous contract is necessary to win a championship.

Apparently they do, since they reportedly were willing to give Adams the same deal.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2022, 07:20:30 PM
Apparently they do, since they reportedly were willing to give Adams the same deal.


So then your beef shouldn't be with the Packers.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 17, 2022, 07:22:25 PM

Need to understand all the elements of the trade .


https://clutchpoints.com/raiders-news-packers-trade-davante-adams-to-las-vegas-in-blockbuster-deal/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 07:28:56 PM

So then your beef shouldn't be with the Packers.

I mean, there's a reason why Adams didn't want to take the Packers money, right?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 17, 2022, 07:29:44 PM
Well I trust Gutey more than you when it comes to that opinion.

Gutsy is reaching Detroit levels of pissing off generational talents.

Rodgers very well could be a better pure system QB without Adams, but there is no world in which this version of the Packers is better.

Proof will obviously be in what they do with the capital, but the odds are against them striking gold
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 17, 2022, 07:35:02 PM

Apparently the Packers don't believe that signing Adams to a monsterous contract is necessary to win a championship.

NM
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 17, 2022, 07:41:57 PM
Other than getting da bread, I think Adams fooked himself over. He'll be just another guy with someone other than #12 tossin' 'im da pigskin. And, I know Carr and he were teammates in college, aina?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2022, 07:45:15 PM
Gutsy is reaching Detroit levels of pissing off generational talents.


Yeah, the GM who has gotten them to NFCCG in two of the last three years, and the #1 seed in the last two, is just like Detroit's.

Great comparison.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 17, 2022, 07:45:58 PM
Apparently they do, since they reportedly were willing to give Adams the same deal.

There’s 0% chance they were willing to give him that same contract. You know it as well as I do. Green Bay & national media is going to be dizzy from the spin the Packers are throwing out there.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
I mean, there's a reason why Adams didn't want to take the Packers money, right?

Sure.  But neither you nor I know what those reasons are. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 08:31:36 PM
Sure.  But neither you nor I know what those reasons are.

In the last year, Adams went from saying he wanted to remain in Green Bay to wanting out. And that 12 months coincided with the Packers' front office dicking around with him on a long-term deal
Could these things be related? We'll never know.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2022, 08:32:48 PM
In the last year, Adams went from saying he wanted to remain in Green Bay to wanting out. And that 12 months coincided with the Packers' front office dicking around with him on a long-term deal
Could these things be related? We'll never know.



You mean the long term deal that they apparently offered him?  You are engaging in circular logic right now.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 08:36:44 PM

You mean the long term deal that they apparently offered him?  You are engaging in circular logic right now.

Not really.
Rather than extending him any time over the last year, they franchised him, after he'd said he wouldn't play under the tag.
Setting fire to bridges sometimes gets you burned.

But apparently a GM who has a history of alienating his star players deserves the benefit of the doubt here.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 17, 2022, 09:00:33 PM
Not really.
Rather than extending him any time over the last year, they franchised him, after he'd said he wouldn't play under the tag.
Setting fire to bridges sometimes gets you burned.

But apparently a GM who has a history of alienating his star players deserves the benefit of the doubt here.



"A history of alienating his star players?"  Before this, he alienated one...who is still on the team.  I am not sure what you wanted him to do.  I mean, he offered to make him the highest paid WR ever right?  But he turned him down, and went to a lesser team, because he got his feelings hurt?  Well OK.  I'm not blaming him for that.

Meanwhile he has overseen a team that needed to be rebuilt around Rodgers, and has completely done so.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on March 17, 2022, 09:50:52 PM
Congrats on dumbest post of the day. 

Gutsy is reaching Detroit levels of pissing off generational talents.

Rodgers very well could be a better pure system QB without Adams, but there is no world in which this version of the Packers is better.

Proof will obviously be in what they do with the capital, but the odds are against them striking gold
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 10:53:40 PM
@RapSheet: Final thought (for now) on the Davante Adams trade: His agents Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman confirm that the #Packers offered more money than the contract he’ll sign in Las Vegas.

Simply, it was his lifelong dream to be with the #Raiders.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 18, 2022, 02:23:56 AM
It doesn't bother me that Watson told the Panthers "thanks, but no thanks."
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 18, 2022, 05:35:59 AM
@RapSheet: Final thought (for now) on the Davante Adams trade: His agents Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman confirm that the #Packers offered more money than the contract he’ll sign in Las Vegas.

Simply, it was his lifelong dream to be with the #Raiders.



Well, fook 'im then, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 18, 2022, 06:15:58 AM
@RapSheet: Final thought (for now) on the Davante Adams trade: His agents Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman confirm that the #Packers offered more money than the contract he’ll sign in Las Vegas.

Simply, it was his lifelong dream to be with the #Raiders.


Somehow still Gutey’s fault? 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on March 18, 2022, 06:39:26 AM
I thought the biggest issue with the contract talks through the season was deciding what top WR money was. Hopkins contract threw everything out of whack.

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 18, 2022, 07:44:32 AM
@RapSheet: Final thought (for now) on the Davante Adams trade: His agents Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman confirm that the #Packers offered more money than the contract he’ll sign in Las Vegas.

Simply, it was his lifelong dream to be with the #Raiders.

Lol, this is flat out wrong and a lie. The agents are trying to save face for the Packers because, well, they have other clients and GB is a business partner.

Simply put, Adams was on the non exclusive franchise tag. The MINIMUM the Packers are entitled to get are two first round picks if/when Adams signs an offer sheet with the contract terms the Raiders ended up offering and if they declined to match. If indeed the Packers were “willing to match” the Raiders contract, they absolutely could have!

Someone(s) are lying here. The Packers inexplicably traded Adams for 65 cents on the dollar when the Raiders/NFL were handing them $1, no questions asked.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 18, 2022, 08:00:39 AM

Somehow still Gutey’s fault?

Pretty much. Per Rob Demovsky on ESPN this morning, by the time the Packers decided they were willing to match the Raiders' offers, Adams' frustration level with the organization had reached the point where he just wanted to move on.

Also Gutey's fault, as Dish notes, the Packers could have forced the Raiders to submit an offer sheet and then either match the offer or extract two first-round picks from Vegas. Instead, they accepted less that what they were entitled.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 18, 2022, 08:40:57 AM

Somehow still Gutey’s fault?

Yes.

Look, two things can be true.

Gutey is a good talent evaluator and a good roster constructor.

AND

He has managed to alienate the two best players that have come thru Green Bay in the past decade plus. One he had to pay and mortgage the future to retain. The other one he shipped out for less value than he was entitled to. As Dish said, the Packers had the leverage - do you think he was going to sit out his age 30 season? There was a decent chance they'd have tagged him next year too for a 20% bump. Even less leverage for Davante.

You can reframe the team so the identity is not solely Rodgers to Adams, but there is no world in which the Packers are better. They had no WRs that could get open despite Adams consistently being double teamed. Now what? You're playing the lottery with the draft to think you'll find anyone close over the next 2-3 seasons.

If your purported goal is Super Bowl, I don't see a way to reconcile this move with keeping Rodgers. Burn it all down and put all your chips in the lottery if a divisional title is your highest goal.

TL;DR the Packers will still win the North easily but who cares?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Litehouse on March 18, 2022, 10:05:06 AM
Pretty much. Per Rob Demovsky on ESPN this morning, by the time the Packers decided they were willing to match the Raiders' offers, Adams' frustration level with the organization had reached the point where he just wanted to move on.

Also Gutey's fault, as Dish notes, the Packers could have forced the Raiders to submit an offer sheet and then either match the offer or extract two first-round picks from Vegas. Instead, they accepted less that what they were entitled.
If the additional 1st round pick would be 2023, maybe the Pack decided they'd rather have the 2nd round pick this year because it's more valuable for them going for it immediately.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 18, 2022, 11:27:26 AM
DT Larry Ogunjobi to the Bears, 3/$40.5.

Except the cat failed his physical.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 18, 2022, 11:33:45 AM
If the additional 1st round pick would be 2023, maybe the Pack decided they'd rather have the 2nd round pick this year because it's more valuable for them going for it immediately.

That's my take as well.  Packers could go OL, DL, and two WR in the first two rounds.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers combine a 3rd with the Raiders pick to move up, if there's a player they really want to get.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2022, 11:57:22 AM
Except the cat failed his physical.

Eh, whatever. At least the front office was transparent about it and proactive.

Not like the Bears we’re gonna win anything anyways.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 18, 2022, 12:00:30 PM
If the additional 1st round pick would be 2023, maybe the Pack decided they'd rather have the 2nd round pick this year because it's more valuable for them going for it immediately.

They could be thinking that, but if so, it's a terrible decision, value wise.
Using the draft value chart, the two picks the Packers are getting combine to have the value of a 13th overall pick.
Even if the Raiders win the AFC next year- a longshot- the two firsts would be values at the 8th overall pick. If the Raiders finish something like 10-7, then it's worth around the 6th/7th overall.
And that's not mentioning the benefit of a 5th year option on both picks.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 18, 2022, 12:00:35 PM
Pretty much. Per Rob Demovsky on ESPN this morning, by the time the Packers decided they were willing to match the Raiders' offers, Adams' frustration level with the organization had reached the point where he just wanted to move on.

Also Gutey's fault, as Dish notes, the Packers could have forced the Raiders to submit an offer sheet and then either match the offer or extract two first-round picks from Vegas. Instead, they accepted less that what they were entitled.


Or, as others have stated, they wanted the current second round pick instead of next year's first. 

But anyway, the first paragraph doesn't make a lot of sense.  If the Packer's wanted to match the Raiders, they could have regardless of what Adams' wanted.  He would hardly be the first player tagged who is "frustrated" with the organization that tags them.  That is pretty common pretty much every year in the NFL. 

We will see what happens.  My guess is that Adams doesn't live up to that contract pretty much like most receivers that sign big time deals.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 18, 2022, 01:29:01 PM
GB could very well trade for a vet. Lockett or Metcalfe jump to mind as prime examples. Seattle needs draft picks to rebuild. Also sign a vet if they can get a guy like Landry or Ju Ju cheap. One of the 1st 2 picks will be a WR. Olave is my best guess.

I also predict GB will rate higher offensively this coming year than they did last year. Not a knock on Adams -just a much more diversified offense.

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
GB could very well trade for a vet. Lockett or Metcalfe jump to mind as prime examples. Seattle needs draft picks to rebuild. Also sign a vet if they can get a guy like Landry or Ju Ju cheap. One of the 1st 2 picks will be a WR. Olave is my best guess.

I also predict GB will rate higher offensively this coming year than they did last year. Not a knock on Adams -just a much more diversified offense.

Yeah, Rodgers won’t be able to lock onto Adams in clutch situations and maybe he’ll choke less
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 18, 2022, 01:51:42 PM
Yeah, Rodgers won’t be able to lock onto Adams in clutch situations and maybe he’ll choke less

Yup. Adams was a crutch in the clutch.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 18, 2022, 02:50:24 PM
Watson to the Browns and they're giving him $230 million guaranteed.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 18, 2022, 03:19:00 PM
Watson to the Browns and they're giving him $230 million guaranteed.

Your move, Vikings
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 18, 2022, 03:30:24 PM
Watson to the Browns and they're giving him $230 million guaranteed.

Wow. I gotta say I'm happy he won't be in the NFC South.

What an interesting story, and an interesting development.

I haven't followed the Browns enough to know how good or bad Mayfield has been. From the few Clev games I've seen, the highlights/lowlights, the stats and the standings, he's been disappointing.

If healthy, can he be the catalyst for a winning team or is he just not good enough?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 18, 2022, 03:35:39 PM
Wow. I gotta say I'm happy he won't be in the NFC South.

What an interesting story, and an interesting development.

I haven't followed the Browns enough to know how good or bad Mayfield has been. From the few Clev games I've seen, the highlights/lowlights, the stats and the standings, he's been disappointing.

If healthy, can he be the catalyst for a winning team or is he just not good enough?

Mayfield was solid, not great, two years ago. He was terrible last year, but also injured.
He can he had for cheap. But after the Sam Darnold Experiment, do the Panthers want to try that path again?

Good for Cleveland going all in, I guess, but does Watson make them better than anyone in the AFC West or the Bills?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 18, 2022, 04:14:14 PM
Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert are going to get half a billion guaranteed combined between the two of them in 2024.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 18, 2022, 05:32:15 PM
The Giants will still suck; the Jets too.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 18, 2022, 05:44:53 PM
The Giants will still suck; the Jets too.
And my Bears too. They are at best 2 maybe 3 years away from being decent.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 18, 2022, 08:02:54 PM
Adams contract details are out. If I’m a Packer fan, I’d stop reading this now.

5 years/$140, which is really 3/$67 ($66 guaranteed)

2022 cap hit $8
2023 cap hit $30
2024 cap hit $21

Two years of fluff at more than manageable dead cap hits (7.7 in 25 and 3.8 in 26).

That’s a fantastic contract for Vegas.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2022, 08:15:26 PM
Adams contract details are out. If I’m a Packer fan, I’d stop reading this now.

5 years/$140, which is really 3/$67 ($66 guaranteed)

2022 cap hit $8
2023 cap hit $30
2024 cap hit $21

Two years of fluff at more than manageable dead cap hits (7.7 in 25 and 3.8 in 26).

That’s a fantastic contract for Vegas.

I’ve been assured by Packers fans the Raiders will regret this trade
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 18, 2022, 11:20:39 PM
I’ve been assured by Packers fans the Raiders will regret this trade
The Packers cooled on him? Probably can't cut it academically. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 19, 2022, 10:04:35 AM
Adams contract details are out. If I’m a Packer fan, I’d stop reading this now.

5 years/$140, which is really 3/$67 ($66 guaranteed)

2022 cap hit $8
2023 cap hit $30
2024 cap hit $21

Two years of fluff at more than manageable dead cap hits (7.7 in 25 and 3.8 in 26).

That’s a fantastic contract for Vegas.

You see, there was simply no way to fit it under the cap
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on March 19, 2022, 11:20:24 AM
Is a possible explanation here that Adams was sick of the Aaron Rodgers circus, and didn’t want to play for the Packers again (even if it meant a QB downgrade) but that isn’t all Guteys fault?  That still leaves open the question of why Gutey took less than the two first rounders as comp, but maybe it was to facilitate getting Adams to where he wanted to go? Charitable, I know, but it doesn’t seem dramatically less likely than the explanation that Adams was mad at Gutey for doing what all GMs do.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 19, 2022, 11:34:49 AM
Is a possible explanation here that Adams was sick of the Aaron Rodgers circus, and didn’t want to play for the Packers again (even if it meant a QB downgrade) but that isn’t all Guteys fault?  That still leaves open the question of why Gutey took less than the two first rounders as comp, but maybe it was to facilitate getting Adams to where he wanted to go? Charitable, I know, but it doesn’t seem dramatically less likely than the explanation that Adams was mad at Gutey for doing what all GMs do.


Getting a first and second this year, versus firsts in consecutive years, was likely the motivation. I just don’t understand that if the contract was that friendly why the Packers just didn’t match?  Maybe they thought that it wasn’t worth it anyway?  More money and picks for the defense?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2022, 11:49:25 AM

Getting a first and second this year, versus firsts in consecutive years, was likely the motivation. I just don’t understand that if the contract was that friendly why the Packers just didn’t match?  Maybe they thought that it wasn’t worth it anyway?  More money and picks for the defense?

They knew Adams had zero desire to be in Green Bay anymore
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 19, 2022, 11:51:53 AM
They knew Adams had zero desire to be in Green Bay anymore

Which makes me wonder if the personal connection with Rodgers wasn’t as advertised.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on March 19, 2022, 11:56:37 AM
Which makes me wonder if the personal connection with Rodgers wasn’t as advertised.

That's what I mean. To me this feels like Adams knew he had a good thing going on the field, especially in a contract year, and is a professional so he just bit his lip and said all the right things.  But when it came time to get his and set up the rest of his career, he wanted to move on.  I wouldn't be shocked if this is coming as a big dose of humble pie to Rodgers too, who probably assumed that if he kept feeding Davante and re-signed, that Davante would re-sign too so long as the Packers found the money.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2022, 11:59:46 AM
Which makes me wonder if the personal connection with Rodgers wasn’t as advertised.

Maybe?  Adams is also 29 and if he truly wanted to play with the Raiders and Carr, this was his best opportunity to do so when still in his prime.

People always mocks players who decide not to play with Rodgers, but it worked out for OBJ
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 19, 2022, 12:10:42 PM
Maybe?  Adams is also 29 and if he truly wanted to play with the Raiders and Carr, this was his best opportunity to do so when still in his prime.

People always mocks players who decide not to play with Rodgers, but it worked out for OBJ


I’m not mocking him. I’m just surprised.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2022, 12:13:18 PM

I’m not mocking him. I’m just surprised.

That wasn’t directed at you
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 20, 2022, 06:39:46 PM
I think Davante didn’t want to freeze his butt off any more in Green Bay
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on March 20, 2022, 08:57:56 PM
I think Davante didn’t want to freeze his butt off any more in Green Bay
i think that's absolutely a factor. It's not for everyone
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on March 21, 2022, 12:53:47 PM
Matt Ryan to the Colts for a 3rd.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 21, 2022, 01:54:46 PM
Matt Ryan to the Colts for a 3rd.

Outside of a few teams, the NFC quickly is becoming the NFL's version of AAA ball.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 21, 2022, 02:21:19 PM
Jameis re-signing with the Saints.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 21, 2022, 02:31:41 PM
Jameis re-signing with the Saints.

Congrats to Jameis for having more guaranteed money than his starting fullback.

Elsewhere in the division, Matt Ryan's trade has the largest dead cap hit of all time (Aaron Rodgers: Hold my Kombucha), so the Falcons save only $9M this year. Absolute malpractice that they did not line up a QB on this roster in lieu of Kyle Pitts - don't really care if he's the second coming of Tony Gonzales.

Jordan Love could be actually be a viable candidate - either he's good enough to keep you away from the 1st overall pick and you might have a QB OR you're in prime position to be Bad for Bryce, Yuck for Young, etc etc.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 21, 2022, 02:39:08 PM
Matt Ryan to the Colts for a 3rd.

I can't remember an offseason in recent memory with so much starting QB movement.  Ryan, Wentz, Wilson, Watson, Mayfield upcoming most likely.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 21, 2022, 03:04:21 PM
Congrats to Jameis for having more guaranteed money than his starting fullback.

Elsewhere in the division, Matt Ryan's trade has the largest dead cap hit of all time (Aaron Rodgers: Hold my Kombucha), so the Falcons save only $9M this year. Absolute malpractice that they did not line up a QB on this roster in lieu of Kyle Pitts - don't really care if he's the second coming of Tony Gonzales.

Jordan Love could be actually be a viable candidate - either he's good enough to keep you away from the 1st overall pick and you might have a QB OR you're in prime position to be Bad for Bryce, Yuck for Young, etc etc.

Falcons just signed Marcus Mariota.
Hope they have a good Plan B, because Mariota hasn't been able stay healthy for 4+ years, even as a backup in Vegas.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on March 21, 2022, 03:12:19 PM
Falcons just signed Marcus Mariota.
Hope they have a good Plan B, because Mariota hasn't been able stay healthy for 4+ years, even as a backup in Vegas.

I'm assuming they are setting up to get Malik Willis, in which case I like what they are doing.  Take their medicine on all this dead cap, get something back for Matt Ryan, bring in a guy who plays a smiliar style to Willis, and who presumably will be okay with playing a bridge role. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 21, 2022, 04:15:11 PM
I'm assuming they are setting up to get Malik Willis, in which case I like what they are doing.  Take their medicine on all this dead cap, get something back for Matt Ryan, bring in a guy who plays a smiliar style to Willis, and who presumably will be okay with playing a bridge role.

This is the smart thing to do. They should not concern themselves with sucking this year. They should concern themselves with having a plan that involves sucking this year with an intermediate-term goal to stop sucking. And if you're going to take a wild swing, Willis is a good guy to bet on - crazy tools.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 22, 2022, 12:40:35 PM
Speaking of QBs, amusing story, my sister and BIL went to the Mavs game last night and got floor seats from a client of his.  As part of the ticket, they had a lounge they went to during halftime.  Also in the lounge last night happened to be Kyler Murray.  After standing in line next to him to get a drink, she said him being listed as 5'10 is HYSTERICAL. A friend of theirs also in the lounge is 5'7 and she said Murray maybe had an inch on her, at best.

Not entirely surprising, cause I don't think anyone who has watched him thought he was anywhere near 6', but still funny to hear from a direct interaction nonetheless.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 23, 2022, 10:28:31 AM
Tyreke will get paid, but he makes the KC offense so much more dangerous with him. I don’t think if he’s a Jet or Dolphin, his impact won’t be the same.

I don’t like whatever potential trade goes down for either side.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 23, 2022, 11:24:35 AM
Packers should use the two picks they got from The Raiders and trade that for Tyreke . I assume the money that they offered Davante would be the same they would offer Tyreke.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 23, 2022, 11:36:29 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33572293/sources-minnesota-vikings-land-olb-zadarius-smith-three-year-42-million-deal
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 23, 2022, 11:37:17 AM
Tyreke to Dolphins for 5 draft picks
1, 2 and 3 round this year
4 and 6 in 2023
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 23, 2022, 11:50:44 AM
Tyreke to Dolphins for 5 draft picks
1, 2 and 3 round this year
4 and 6 in 2023

Either the Packers or Dolphins got fleeced.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 23, 2022, 11:53:47 AM
Either the Packers or Dolphins got fleeced.

My thought immediately was the Packers really misread things with Adams on all accounts. KC got way more for Hill.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 23, 2022, 12:12:08 PM
Well, at least Adams was the top paid receiver for a few days.  Is he going to go demand a raise now?   
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 23, 2022, 12:48:25 PM
Tyreke to Dolphins for 5 draft picks
1, 2 and 3 round this year
4 and 6 in 2023

JESUS WHAT THE HELL
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on March 23, 2022, 01:03:04 PM
My thought immediately was the Packers really misread things with Adams on all accounts. KC got way more for Hill.

Aren’t the situations pretty different? Adams wasn’t under contract and wanted to go to the Raiders. Hill was still under contract and had two teams bidding for him.

Plus the first rounder the Packers got is 7 spots higher. Also, I think you are limited on the return for trading a guy that you tag.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 23, 2022, 01:11:16 PM
Aren’t the situations pretty different? Adams wasn’t under contract and wanted to go to the Raiders. Hill was still under contract and had two teams bidding for him.

Plus the first rounder the Packers got is 7 spots higher. Also, I think you are limited on the return for trading a guy that you tag.

The first rounder is 7 spots higher, but the second is three spots higher, then you're throwing in a third, fourth and sixth.
Per the draft value chart, the Dolphins gave up more draft capital just in the 2022 draft than the Raiders, not counting next year's picks.

As for the tag, that should have led to a better return (minimum two firsts) than what the Packers accepted.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 23, 2022, 01:59:46 PM
To me, no move this offseason was more fascinating than this Tyreke trade. I can understand why KC did it, but I would have waited until next off season (even if it meant I got a little less in return). I don't know if this will make sense, but as good a player as Hill is, to me he's 1.5x better because he's on KC and playing with Mahomes. The Chiefs offense isn't perfect, but with Hill & Kelce on the field at the same time, it's such a difficult time to game plan against them.

The Chiefs got a haul, and would have had a very difficult decision next year on what to do with Hill (I'd have franchised him for one year). I don't think Hill will be as durable as say Adams long term, and once Hill starts to slow down, that'll be the beginning of the end.

If I'm in the AFC West, I'm ecstatic right now. The Chiefs could draft a very good WR in the first round, but that rookie probably won't fit like Hill did (at least immediately) in that offense.

I'm really curious if the Packers had conversations with the Jets/Dolphins on Adams. Really curious.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 23, 2022, 02:13:45 PM
Either the Packers or Dolphins got fleeced.

According to the NFL Draft value chart, GB & Miami got virtually the same value back for Adams and Hill.

So, unless one thinks there is a huge difference between these guys value to their teams (and that value depends a lot on the cast of players around them), the trades really did not favor either teams.

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: rocket ALM surgeon on March 23, 2022, 03:53:54 PM
It will be interesting to see how effective davante will be with a quarterback with less ability than Rodgers throwing to him.  Remember when Jenkins left the pack for the Vikings?  His numbers (except for his contract $$’s)never came close to those he generated under favre
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on March 23, 2022, 04:01:41 PM
It will be interesting to see how effective davante will be with a quarterback with less ability than Rodgers throwing to him.  Remember when Jenkins left the pack for the Vikings?  His numbers (except for his contract $$’s)never came close to those he generated under favre

Who?

I'm guessing you mean Greg Jennings?  Who played his first 2 years with Favre, but spent much more time (and was more productive) with Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2022, 04:13:59 PM
It will be interesting to see how effective davante will be with a quarterback with less ability than Rodgers throwing to him.  Remember when Jenkins left the pack for the Vikings?  His numbers (except for his contract $$’s)never came close to those he generated under favre

Adams wants a Super Bowl.  He wasn’t getting that with Rodgers as his QB
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 23, 2022, 04:19:58 PM
Adams wants a Super Bowl.  He wasn’t getting that with Rodgers as his QB

If Adams wants a Super Bowl, Derek Carr is sure as hell not gonna take him there if Rodgers couldn't.

Yeah, I know it was a troll job, but I bit anyway.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 23, 2022, 04:23:50 PM
If Adams wants a Super Bowl, Derek Carr is sure as hell not gonna take him there if Rodgers couldn't.

Yeah, I know it was a troll job, but I bit anyway.

If Matthew Stafford, Nick Foles and Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl, Derek Carr can win a Super Bowl. The guy dragged a team to the playoffs throwing the ball to Zay Jones, Hunter Renfrow and Foster Moreau.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on March 23, 2022, 04:50:18 PM
Who?

I'm guessing you mean Greg Jennings?  Who played his first 2 years with Favre, but spent much more time (and was more productive) with Rodgers.

(https://wwwcache.wralsportsfan.com/asset/voices/2019/01/17/18131818/forget_it_he_s_rolling-DMID1-5hiej78ui-250x250.gif)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 23, 2022, 07:14:23 PM
According to the NFL Draft value chart, GB & Miami got virtually the same value back for Adams and Hill.

So, unless one thinks there is a huge difference between these guys value to their teams (and that value depends a lot on the cast of players around them), the trades really did not favor either teams.

Yep, trades almost identical in value if you assume that Miami is in the middle of the pack next year, discounted for time value of money.

I have no real problem in value, with the exception that I thought both teams should have gotten more. But it was consistent with similar leverage.

I would be fine with the Packers flipping both Raiders picks for Metcalf. They'll pay him too, but he's only 25 and going on his 2nd contract and he's dirt cheap this year to use that money elsewhere
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on March 23, 2022, 10:32:50 PM
Yep, trades almost identical in value if you assume that Miami is in the middle of the pack next year, discounted for time value of money.

I have no real problem in value, with the exception that I thought both teams should have gotten more. But it was consistent with similar leverage.

I would be fine with the Packers flipping both Raiders picks for Metcalf. They'll pay him too, but he's only 25 and going on his 2nd contract and he's dirt cheap this year to use that money elsewhere

If we can pull that off, I think the Packers definitely win on those trades.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 23, 2022, 10:43:36 PM
Yep, trades almost identical in value if you assume that Miami is in the middle of the pack next year, discounted for time value of money.

I have no real problem in value, with the exception that I thought both teams should have gotten more. But it was consistent with similar leverage.

I would be fine with the Packers flipping both Raiders picks for Metcalf. They'll pay him too, but he's only 25 and going on his 2nd contract and he's dirt cheap this year to use that money elsewhere

I'd rather they traded for Lockett instead of Metcalfe. Way cheaper to keep with a reasonable salary for the next several years. Stats aren't a lot different and would cost a lot less to acquire (no 1st rounder). Money to keep Jaire is #1 right now.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: #Unleash? on March 24, 2022, 06:03:50 AM
I'd rather they traded for Lockett instead of Metcalfe. Way cheaper to keep with a reasonable salary for the next several years. Stats aren't a lot different and would cost a lot less to acquire (no 1st rounder). Money to keep Jaire is #1 right now.

The age old looking up Lockett's age, and instead typing in trent lockett
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 24, 2022, 06:06:31 AM
If Matthew Stafford, Nick Foles and Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl, Derek Carr can win a Super Bowl. The guy dragged a team to the playoffs throwing the ball to Zay Jones, Hunter Renfrow and Foster Moreau.

The Raiders aren't coming out of the AFC West.  It's the best division in football.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 24, 2022, 06:10:53 AM
Yep, trades almost identical in value if you assume that Miami is in the middle of the pack next year, discounted for time value of money.

I have no real problem in value, with the exception that I thought both teams should have gotten more. But it was consistent with similar leverage.

I would be fine with the Packers flipping both Raiders picks for Metcalf. They'll pay him too, but he's only 25 and going on his 2nd contract and he's dirt cheap this year to use that money elsewhere

A bit of a gamble considering he is a total head case.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on March 24, 2022, 07:22:26 AM
I'd rather they traded for Lockett instead of Metcalfe. Way cheaper to keep with a reasonable salary for the next several years. Stats aren't a lot different and would cost a lot less to acquire (no 1st rounder). Money to keep Jaire is #1 right now.

Yes, this is correct. Plus Metcalfe is a head case and would be a gamble. Draft the future number 1 receiver. I hope they don't piss away the first round picks.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 24, 2022, 08:45:44 AM
If we can pull that off, I think the Packers definitely win on those trades.

Davante Adams straight up for DK Metcalf is a win for the Packers?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on March 24, 2022, 08:57:37 AM
The Raiders aren't coming out of the AFC West.  It's the best division in football.

Any team that goes 3-3 in that division, maybe even 2-4, has a chance at the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on March 24, 2022, 09:33:27 AM
Article  by Silverstein today that Adams let them know he wanted a trade to LV right after the season ended and they did their best to achieve that
Quote
Shortly after the season ended, he made it known that he wanted out and his desire was to play for the Las Vegas Raiders and quarterback Derek Carr, his former college teammate and close friend, a source said. The public didn’t know Adams was adamant about leaving for the team he cheered for while growing up in East Palo Alto, California. But it was no secret among Packers officials that Adams wanted out.
The Packers had a better offer on the table than from the summer – one source said it was $25 million per year over three years – but Adams, after speaking with Carr and Bauer, was adamant he wanted to move on. Specifically, he wanted to play for the Raiders.
As many have reported, Rodgers knew about Adams’ desire well before he signed his record-breaking $151 million extension. There wasn’t anything he could do about it. Undoubtedly, he wanted Adams to stay, but his priority was his own contract and he wound up doing what was best for him.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 24, 2022, 09:46:52 AM
JESUS WHAT THE HELL

This was my reaction too.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 24, 2022, 09:51:28 AM
Any team that goes 3-3 in that division, maybe even 2-4, has a chance at the playoffs.

If the rest of the AFC was a dumpster fire, maybe.  But it isn't.  The AFC is as loaded as it has ever been with super star talent on great teams.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on March 24, 2022, 11:00:24 AM
To me, no move this offseason was more fascinating than this Tyreke trade. I can understand why KC did it, but I would have waited until next off season (even if it meant I got a little less in return). I don't know if this will make sense, but as good a player as Hill is, to me he's 1.5x better because he's on KC and playing with Mahomes. The Chiefs offense isn't perfect, but with Hill & Kelce on the field at the same time, it's such a difficult time to game plan against them.

The Chiefs got a haul, and would have had a very difficult decision next year on what to do with Hill (I'd have franchised him for one year). I don't think Hill will be as durable as say Adams long term, and once Hill starts to slow down, that'll be the beginning of the end.

If I'm in the AFC West, I'm ecstatic right now. The Chiefs could draft a very good WR in the first round, but that rookie probably won't fit like Hill did (at least immediately) in that offense.

I'm really curious if the Packers had conversations with the Jets/Dolphins on Adams. Really curious.


The bolded is likely why they traded him now versus next year.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 24, 2022, 02:22:11 PM

The bolded is likely why they traded him now versus next year.

They traded him now because he told the Chiefs he didn't want to play another game with them.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 24, 2022, 03:02:48 PM
MVS to Chiefs - not a big surprise after losing Hill. They rely on speed with their WRs.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 24, 2022, 04:43:02 PM
They traded him now because he told the Chiefs he didn't want to play another game with them.

I think its both.  Players say stuff like that all the time.  Like Dish said, the Chiefs knew they had an interesting choice coming up.  If they didn't get a big haul like they did, or if they had a more concrete plan for next year (say 1 more year and then the franchise tag), it would have been brushed off and things carry on.  As it happens, it all worked out so thats why they traded him
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on March 24, 2022, 05:00:29 PM
Rumors of course, but chiefs and pack reaching out to Seattle for lockett and metcalf
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on March 24, 2022, 05:17:53 PM
Rumors of course, but chiefs and pack reaching out to Seattle for lockett and metcalf

Makes sense. Seattle is a last place team with almost a 0% chance for the Playoffs - they need draft picks to re-build. Metcalf may get them a 1st. I don't think Lockett will.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Babybluejeans on March 24, 2022, 06:29:46 PM
Hard to believe this will work out for the Dolphins. How often does brokering this much of the future for a single wideout work out? I'm prepared to say never.

Look at this list https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/share.fcgi?id=JDI5G (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/share.fcgi?id=JDI5G) of every WR trade involving a 1st round pick since 2000. Were any of those 10 trades worth it for the team giving away that much? Maybe arguably Keyshawn, but I'd say not a single one. 

Are the Fish going to be the first? Hah. No-brainer for the Chiefs, on the other hand. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 25, 2022, 07:31:41 AM
MVS to Chiefs - not a big surprise after losing Hill. They rely on speed with their WRs.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33586619/kansas-city-chiefs-add-wr-reach-three-year-deal-marquez-valdes-scantling
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 25, 2022, 08:14:08 AM
Article  by Silverstein today that Adams let them know he wanted a trade to LV right after the season ended and they did their best to achieve that

Another interesting thing in that article is apparently you can't sign and trade franchise players for other players, which I did not know. Helps contextualize the haul
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on March 25, 2022, 04:31:08 PM
Chandon Sullivan to the Vikings. Double win for the Packers.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on March 30, 2022, 07:48:39 AM
NFL changes OT rule for the playoffs, ensuring that each team will get the ball on offense once. Rule stays the same as it had been for the regular season - TD wins the game, FG or less gives the other team a chance to tie or win.

I would have been fine had they not made the change because the defense has the right to make a stop, but I'm also fine with the change. At the very least, it will remove a ready-made excuse for teams that lose.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 30, 2022, 07:27:50 PM
NFL changes OT rule for the playoffs, ensuring that each team will get the ball on offense once. Rule stays the same as it had been for the regular season - TD wins the game, FG or less gives the other team a chance to tie or win.

I would have been fine had they not made the change because the defense has the right to make a stop, but I'm also fine with the change. At the very least, it will remove a ready-made excuse for teams that lose.
My guess is a lot of teams ,who win the coin toss in the Playoff OT, will elect to defend.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 30, 2022, 08:25:04 PM
Bruce Arians moving to Front Office and Todd Bowles new Head Coach of Bucs
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bruce-arians-stepping-down-buccaneers-head-coach-front-office-position-report
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on March 30, 2022, 08:43:10 PM
Bruce Arians moving to Front Office and Todd Bowles new Head Coach of Bucs
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bruce-arians-stepping-down-buccaneers-head-coach-front-office-position-report

WOW.  That will be a change.  Hope it goes better than Bowles last go around.  He doesn’t have a roster excuse this time
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 30, 2022, 08:45:30 PM
WOW.  That will be a change.  Hope it goes better than Bowles last go around.  He doesn’t have a roster excuse this time
Article with details on Arians thought process. Essentially he wanted to turn over a good team to Todd Bowles, giving him a better chance at success than with a crappy team that might have hired him at some point.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/30/bruce-arians-steps-down-bucs-nfl-fmia-peter-king/?cid=fmiatw
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 30, 2022, 09:34:09 PM
Article with details on Arians thought process. Essentially he wanted to turn over a good team to Todd Bowles, giving him a better chance at success than with a crappy team that might have hired him at some point.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/30/bruce-arians-steps-down-bucs-nfl-fmia-peter-king/?cid=fmiatw

Lol, yeah, I’m sure that’s the reason.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 30, 2022, 09:39:59 PM
Lol, yeah, I’m sure that’s the reason.
Obviously , Brady drove the process

The good news on this deal for The Bucs is they may now have a stronger position to sign The Honey Badger ( he is engaged to Bowles Step daughter )
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on March 30, 2022, 10:47:09 PM
Lol, yeah, I’m sure that’s the reason.

Very nice of Brady to feel that way about Bowles  8-)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on March 31, 2022, 08:47:31 PM
Big Time signing for the Rams
https://nypost.com/2022/03/31/bobby-wagner-signing-big-rams-deal-after-messy-seahawks-split/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 01, 2022, 06:22:52 AM
Big Time signing for the Rams
https://nypost.com/2022/03/31/bobby-wagner-signing-big-rams-deal-after-messy-seahawks-split/

5 years $50m for a 31 year old former All-Pro who hasn't been hurt a ton seems reasonable.  Let's see how it works out.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on April 05, 2022, 08:04:46 PM
Gronk not yet ready to commit to return
https://www.tmz.com/2022/04/05/rob-gronkowski-still-undecided-about-football-future-not-ready-to-commit/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on April 05, 2022, 10:13:35 PM
Gronk not yet ready to commit to return
https://www.tmz.com/2022/04/05/rob-gronkowski-still-undecided-about-football-future-not-ready-to-commit/

Group needs to spend a bit more time exploring his feelings/the coeds at Arizona
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on April 08, 2022, 07:16:49 AM
Panthers coach joins Flores’ lawsuit against the NFL alleging racial discrimination

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article260202455.html?ac_cid=DM631287&ac_bid=-505163832

Steve Wilks, the Panthers’ secondary coach and defensive passing game coordinator, is joining Brian Flores’ lawsuit against the NFL alleging racial discrimination in its hiring practices.

Wilks alleges that the Arizona Cardinals discriminated against him when they fired him in 2018 after one season as head coach.

“Mr. Wilks was hired as a ‘bridge coach’ and was not given any meaningful chance to succeed,” the complaint states. “He was unfairly and discriminatorily fired after just one season.”

The Cardinals hired Wilks in 2018 after he spent a season as the Panthers’ defensive coordinator under Ron Rivera. The Cardinals finished the 2018 season 3-13, setting them up for the No. 1 pick in the draft.

Coaches are rarely fired after one season unless their lone seasons are mired with controversy, similar to Urban Meyer in Jacksonville. Wilks’ time wasn’t.

The lawsuit alleges that Cardinals general manager Steve Keim, who is white, made poor personnel decisions and was convicted for a DUI that offseason, yet was still given a contract extension, while Wilks was fired.

“Mr. Wilks was replaced by a white coach, Kliff Kingsbury, who had no prior NFL coaching experience and was coming off of multiple losing seasons as a Head Coach at Texas Tech,” the lawsuit states. “Mr. Kingsbury, armed with quarterback Kyler Murray, has been given a much longer leash than Mr. Wilks and, to his credit, has succeeded. That said, Mr. Wilks, given the same opportunity afforded to Mr. Kingsbury, surely would have succeeded as well.”

At the time Wilks was hired, the Cardinals didn’t have a franchise quarterback. Wilks alleges in the lawsuit that before the 2018 NFL draft, he urged Cardinals general manager Steve Keim to trade up to the seventh spot to draft quarterback Josh Allen, who is now considered one of the top quarterbacks in the league.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on April 08, 2022, 07:38:53 AM
This is way more damning than anything else that has come out so far.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/04/07/mike-mularkey-revealed-titans-did-sham-rooney-rule-interviews-after-hiring-him-as-coach/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on April 08, 2022, 09:25:00 AM
This is way more damning than anything else that has come out so far.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/04/07/mike-mularkey-revealed-titans-did-sham-rooney-rule-interviews-after-hiring-him-as-coach/

Wow, that's something.

Not surprising in the least, but still incredible to see those details.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on April 08, 2022, 09:49:23 AM
Business as usual.

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on April 08, 2022, 01:33:22 PM
More Brett Favre and welfare fraud.

https://mississippitoday.org/2022/04/06/brett-favre-used-fame-favors-welfare-dollars/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on April 08, 2022, 03:32:31 PM
More Brett Favre and welfare fraud.

https://mississippitoday.org/2022/04/06/brett-favre-used-fame-favors-welfare-dollars/

Just a simple country boy.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on April 08, 2022, 04:37:22 PM
More Brett Favre and welfare fraud.

https://mississippitoday.org/2022/04/06/brett-favre-used-fame-favors-welfare-dollars/

This doesn't even get close to making the list of the worst things he's done.

Dude is just an awful human being.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on April 08, 2022, 06:04:35 PM
More Brett Favre and welfare fraud.

https://mississippitoday.org/2022/04/06/brett-favre-used-fame-favors-welfare-dollars/

More business as usual.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 09, 2022, 10:18:10 AM
Dwayne Haskins was killed this morning when he hit by a car

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1512807191731912711?s=21&t=1FdmFOpCgFavlAw8EHIbLA
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU Eagle on April 09, 2022, 10:49:55 AM
Dwayne Haskins was killed this morning when he hit by a car

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1512807191731912711?s=21&t=1FdmFOpCgFavlAw8EHIbLA

Only 24 years old.  Devastating
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 09, 2022, 12:40:34 PM
Gil Brandt with some “interesting” hot takes on Haskins.

Probably time for ‘ol Gil to stop doing interviews.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on April 09, 2022, 01:05:33 PM
Gil Brandt with some “interesting” hot takes on Haskins.

Probably time for ‘ol Gil to stop doing interviews.

Jfc

https://twitter.com/PeteDamilatis/status/1512835278653767684?t=0Hdn6aqtqXDUBx6bfI59uQ&s=19
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 09, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
I forgot to mention Schefter’s awful tweet too.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on April 09, 2022, 01:35:06 PM
Dwayne Haskins was killed this morning when he hit by a car

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1512807191731912711?s=21&t=1FdmFOpCgFavlAw8EHIbLA
Heart breaking
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on April 09, 2022, 02:41:02 PM
Gil Brandt with some “interesting” hot takes on Haskins.

Probably time for ‘ol Gil to stop doing interviews.

What the holy unnatural carnal knowledge?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on April 11, 2022, 08:19:58 PM
Gronk says if he comes back he will only play for The Bucs. Says his Girlfriend, Camille Kostek, wants him to come back because she likes all the other Wives and Girlfriends.

https://www.si.com/nfl/buccaneers/news/rob-gronkowski-confirms-the-team-he-would-play-for-in-2022
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on April 12, 2022, 03:34:48 PM
This story is so bizarre.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/08/sports/inside-tom-bradys-un-retirement-how-brian-flores-soccer-match-were-among-key-factors/

Apparently Stephen Ross and Tom Brady hatched a plan for Brady to retire, then join the Dolphins as an executive.  Later on, he was going to "unretire," with the Dolphins approaching the Bucs to trade his rights to Miami, and then hire Sean Payton as head coach.  But then the Flores lawsuit blew the whole thing up.

So now Brady is back with the Bucs, but with only one year on his contract.  The Dolphins went out and hired Mike McDaniel, a one year coordinator, as head coach.  If the Dolphins fail, which seems likely to me, will the Brady and Payton deal be back on for Miami?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on April 12, 2022, 03:42:38 PM
And some are now speculating that Belichick intentionally sent his "congrats on the Giants gig" tweet to Flores, with the knowledge that Flores would use it in a suit against the Dolphins, scuttling their Tom Brady plans in the process.

That seem too "next level" even for Belichick. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 14, 2022, 07:17:48 AM
And some are now speculating that Belichick intentionally sent his "congrats on the Giants gig" tweet to Flores, with the knowledge that Flores would use it in a suit against the Dolphins, scuttling their Tom Brady plans in the process.

That seem too "next level" even for Belichick.

I would actually gain respect for ol' Belicheat for that one if true.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on April 18, 2022, 07:12:56 PM
I think Packers signing Sammy Watkins is a solid niche pickup . Comes at a low price with contract mostly incentive based. Rodgers will have a lot more targets to hand out so maybe Sammy finds some of that form he flashed a couple years ago in the playoffs with The Chiefs

https://www.packers.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-new-packers-wr-sammy-watkins

Hopefully some quality Receivers are availed when the Packers draft
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on April 18, 2022, 09:54:33 PM
I think Packers signing Sammy Watkins is a solid niche pickup . Comes at a low price with contract mostly incentive based. Rodgers will have a lot more targets to hand out so maybe Sammy finds some of that form he flashed a couple years ago in the playoffs with The Chiefs

https://www.packers.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-new-packers-wr-sammy-watkins

Hopefully some quality Receivers are availed when the Packers draft

Watkins hasnt been the same since breaking his foot in 2016.  He's had barely 1000 yards and less than 10 TDs in the last 3 seasons combined.  A first round pick like Olave is far more intriguing and exciting if you're the Packers.  Watkins will just be depth at a good price.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on April 19, 2022, 09:32:35 AM
Watkins hasnt been the same since breaking his foot in 2016.  He's had barely 1000 yards and less than 10 TDs in the last 3 seasons combined.  A first round pick like Olave is far more intriguing and exciting if you're the Packers.  Watkins will just be depth at a good price.
That’s good hat I am saying . There will be injuries and The Pack will need the depth.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 20, 2022, 12:19:55 PM
Watkins hasnt been the same since breaking his foot in 2016.  He's had barely 1000 yards and less than 10 TDs in the last 3 seasons combined.  A first round pick like Olave is far more intriguing and exciting if you're the Packers.  Watkins will just be depth at a good price.

Word on the street is Sammy pulled both of his hammies on the way out of the building after signing his contract.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on April 20, 2022, 12:41:30 PM
Deebo wants a trade.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 20, 2022, 12:43:28 PM
Deebo wants a trade.

On a related note, I'd love a million dollars.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on April 20, 2022, 02:20:20 PM
Same agent represents Deebo, AJ Brown and DK.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on April 21, 2022, 09:35:53 AM
Packers have the draft picks to make a deal for Deebo happen. I doubt the 49ers would be willing to trade a good player to a team they have to go through in the playoffs. However, stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on April 23, 2022, 11:11:15 AM
Good article detailing the wide receivers available in the Draft. Treylon Burks is a tough guy he hunts wild boar with a knife. Should be good fighting for the ball and on yards after catch , with that attitude.

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/2022-nfl-draft-ultimate-preview-receivers#gid=ci029f33c5c00027cc&pid=ranking-the-draft-need
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on April 25, 2022, 08:49:48 AM
Let’s build a team of boar fighters.

Woo- Hoo!
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on April 27, 2022, 11:28:30 AM
Just another reason why Peyton Manning is beloved.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33815614/peyton-manning-partners-georgia-tech-demaryius-thomas-scholarship (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33815614/peyton-manning-partners-georgia-tech-demaryius-thomas-scholarship)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on April 27, 2022, 02:17:48 PM
Let’s build a team of boar fighters.

Woo- Hoo!

More on Treylon

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/1519321216288317441?cxt=HHwWgoCjyZam25UqAAAA

https://www.4029tv.com/article/treylon-burks-hog-hunting-nfl-draft-arkansas/39830906


https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/25/packers-linked-to-first-round-interest-in-arkansas-wr-treylon-burks/


Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on April 28, 2022, 06:37:47 AM
I hope Packers keep both their first round picks
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on April 28, 2022, 07:13:20 AM
I hope Packers keep both their first round picks

I would be alright trading back 28 a few spots to the early second round if they could still get someone they wanted. I could see them trade up to the early second round and keep the two firsts.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 28, 2022, 07:39:12 AM
I hope Packers keep both their first round picks

They need to find a QB that isn’t a regular season stat padder and find a winner like Stafford
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on April 28, 2022, 08:32:31 AM
I was right about Stafford's first season in LA.  I'll double down.  Two years, two rings. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 28, 2022, 08:35:06 AM
I was right about Stafford's first season in LA.  I'll double down.  Two years, two rings.

I’ll be pulling for him.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on April 28, 2022, 12:32:17 PM
In his first media interview in 16 months, Panthers owner David Tepper quickly shot down reports that Matt Rhule will be on the hot seat going into his third season as coach.

“I’ve said it — five years, five years, five years — from the time coach Rhule was there. And maybe it’ll be six years, I don’t know, from the time he was hired,” Tepper said with a chuckle.

“I think it’s just building that foundation, having patience to build that foundation, trying to get fans to have patience for that foundation, to have sustained winning. And it’s hard to build that foundation. It’s hard.”


Talk about COLE!

Two years ago, Tepper was swept away by Rhule's enthusiasm and gave him a huge contract to keep him from interviewing elsewhere. And Tepper said at the time that it would take many years to build a legit contender, which is why he gave Rhule a 7-year contract. It appears the NFL's richest owner is willing to wait at least a couple more years, frustrating some of my friends who wanted Rhule fired after last season.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on April 29, 2022, 05:03:22 PM
Good news for Jags fans

Shad Kahn bought the county fairground next to the Stadium and will convert it into  a parking lot . Fairground moving to an agricultural area.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/04/29/jaguars-owner-shad-khans-development-company-agrees-to-buy-jacksonville-fairgrounds/?outputType=amp
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 02, 2022, 03:14:19 PM
Guess we know why Arizona was so eager to add pass catchers this weekend.

@AdamSchefter
Cardinals’ Pro-Bowl WR DeAndre Hopkins is being suspended six games for violating the NFL’s Performance Enhancing Drug policy, league sources tell ESPN.

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 02, 2022, 03:16:28 PM
Would like to see the Pack sign Julio Jones.  I think there is one more year of gas left in the tank .
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on May 02, 2022, 03:48:22 PM
Guess we know why Arizona was so eager to add pass catchers this weekend.

@AdamSchefter
Cardinals’ Pro-Bowl WR DeAndre Hopkins is being suspended six games for violating the NFL’s Performance Enhancing Drug policy, league sources tell ESPN.

I'm always amazed when someone tests positive. With all the technology, and money out there, most are doping, just in undetectable ways. When someone tests positive, it means either the technology failed, or they just didn't even bother trying to evade the tests...or they accidentally consumed something they didn't realized had a PED (while they were willfully violated the PED rules).
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on May 02, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
I'm always amazed when someone tests positive. With all the technology, and money out there, most are doping, just in undetectable ways. When someone tests positive, it means either the technology failed, or they just didn't even bother trying to evade the tests...or they accidentally consumed something they didn't realized had a PED (while they were willfully violated the PED rules).
How many NFL players do you think are taking illegal PED's?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 02, 2022, 03:59:13 PM
How many NFL players do you think are taking illegal PED's?
97%
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 02, 2022, 04:09:38 PM
97%

Name the 3%, dammit!
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 02, 2022, 04:18:42 PM
Name the 3%, dammit!

The Packers roster is clean.  #PackersPeople
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 02, 2022, 04:39:32 PM
I'm always amazed when someone tests positive. With all the technology, and money out there, most are doping, just in undetectable ways. When someone tests positive, it means either the technology failed, or they just didn't even bother trying to evade the tests...or they accidentally consumed something they didn't realized had a PED (while they were willfully violated the PED rules).

Its always either an F-up on the cloaking cycle or something innocuous that causes a reaction with their PED cycle that pops up.  Its crazy.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on May 02, 2022, 06:17:24 PM
How many NFL players do you think are taking illegal PED's?

I think the vast majority are actively taking them, and my guess would be nearly all have taken them during their career.

There is a ton of money on the line to be the best. And plenty of technology to evade detection. If you know all your peers are "cheating" you will too.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 02, 2022, 06:25:26 PM
Its always either an F-up on the cloaking cycle or something innocuous that causes a reaction with their PED cycle that pops up.  Its crazy.

I think Braun basically took his recovery PED (my non-scientific term) thinking he wasn’t going to get tested and that’s why it was off the charts.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on May 02, 2022, 08:48:59 PM
Guess we know why Arizona was so eager to add pass catchers this weekend.

@AdamSchefter
Cardinals’ Pro-Bowl WR DeAndre Hopkins is being suspended six games for violating the NFL’s Performance Enhancing Drug policy, league sources tell ESPN.

No way for him to know the side effects of those drugs, just like the covid vaccine
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on May 03, 2022, 06:00:36 PM
https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/status/1521620053782839296?t=08cgj57imjWkmtvpJJQjkA&s=19

People are saying
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 03, 2022, 06:03:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/status/1521620053782839296?t=08cgj57imjWkmtvpJJQjkA&s=19

People are saying

Oh, lord.  That’s an embarrassing thing to say
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 03, 2022, 06:13:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/status/1521620053782839296?t=08cgj57imjWkmtvpJJQjkA&s=19

People are saying


Has a real Gregg "I've Had 11 Job Offers" Williams feel to it.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 03, 2022, 07:24:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/status/1521620053782839296?t=08cgj57imjWkmtvpJJQjkA&s=19

People are saying
The NFC North is the fifth they keeps giving for the Packers
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 03, 2022, 08:51:06 PM
https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/status/1521620053782839296?t=08cgj57imjWkmtvpJJQjkA&s=19

People are saying
As a Bears fan I can honestly say, that is embarrassing.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on May 04, 2022, 04:34:14 AM
As a Bears fan I can honestly say, that is embarrassing.

That right there is why you put candidates through a fake press conference.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 04, 2022, 09:08:35 AM
That right there is why you put candidates through a fake press conference.
YES.

What's next? Is the Bear's GM going to tell us about a note someone passed him in gym class?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 04, 2022, 09:47:00 AM
Of all the things that embarrass me as a Bears fan, this scarcely even registers.  I just hope its even 20% true.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on May 04, 2022, 03:11:59 PM
October 9:  Giants v. Packers at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, 8:30 AM Central.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on May 04, 2022, 04:15:17 PM
^ Bet on the Giants
My D-i-L always meets her father at an away game each season and this time it's the London game, Packers lose almost every game they attend.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 04, 2022, 05:25:12 PM
Is that a 'home' game for the Packers? I'd be pissed if I was a season ticket holder if it is.

I've heard some teams, like the Bears, have told the NFL "no thanks" to having a home game over seas. As founders of the NFL, I assume the Bears and Packers can dictate to the NFL that they will not loose a home game.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on May 04, 2022, 05:29:14 PM
Is that a 'home' game for the Packers? I'd be pissed if I was a season ticket holder if it is.

I've heard some teams, like the Bears, have told the NFL "no thanks" to having a home game over seas. As founders of the NFL, I assume the Bears and Packers can dictate to the NFL that they will not loose a home game.

It has been designated as a "home" game for the Packers.  The team’s designated ninth home game was used on the trip to London.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on May 04, 2022, 05:57:37 PM
The Packers will still get eight home games. The franchise is not unhappy about this.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 04, 2022, 06:24:35 PM
The Packers will still get eight home games. The franchise is not unhappy about this.

There are a ton of overseas Packer fans.  London will be great for the team.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 10, 2022, 05:23:43 PM
Brady to get 10 year $375 million contract as Fox lead analyst effective when he decides to retire .

https://nypost.com/2022/05/10/tom-brady-gets-monster-10-year-375-million-deal-from-fox-sports/


Wow.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 10, 2022, 05:33:43 PM
Brady to get 10 year $375 million contract as Fox lead analyst effective when he decides to retire .

https://nypost.com/2022/05/10/tom-brady-gets-monster-10-year-375-million-deal-from-fox-sports/


Wow.

Absolutely baffling to me.  Ive seen nothing from Brady that tells me he's gonna be some lights out, A+++ analyst.  I would have said it was ridiculous for Manning in the same position, and he showed far more potential for it than Brady.  We saw how Brees struggled.

The other shocking side story was Jim Rome getting $30MM a year from CBS Sports.  I mean, I know his radio show/podcast is very successful, but that is a HUGE chunk of change for someone that a lot of knowledgeable sports fans don't realize is still relevant.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 10, 2022, 05:53:14 PM
Brady to get 10 year $375 million contract as Fox lead analyst effective when he decides to retire .

https://nypost.com/2022/05/10/tom-brady-gets-monster-10-year-375-million-deal-from-fox-sports/


Wow.




Wear kan ya get a gig like dat, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on May 10, 2022, 06:43:00 PM
Absolutely baffling to me.  Ive seen nothing from Brady that tells me he's gonna be some lights out, A+++ analyst.  I would have said it was ridiculous for Manning in the same position, and he showed far more potential for it than Brady.  We saw how Brees struggled.

The other shocking side story was Jim Rome getting $30MM a year from CBS Sports.  I mean, I know his radio show/podcast is very successful, but that is a HUGE chunk of change for someone that a lot of knowledgeable sports fans don't realize is still relevant.

Manning would have been fantastic because he pairs personality with knowledge, but he has a good gig dicking around on ESPN 2. I would not have anticipated Romo being as good as he is, but he very quickly became the best in the business
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 10, 2022, 06:55:25 PM



Wear kan ya get a gig like dat, hey?
He will literally make more announcing then he made his entire NFL career.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on May 10, 2022, 07:10:22 PM
Absolutely baffling to me.  Ive seen nothing from Brady that tells me he's gonna be some lights out, A+++ analyst.  I would have said it was ridiculous for Manning in the same position, and he showed far more potential for it than Brady.  We saw how Brees struggled.

The other shocking side story was Jim Rome getting $30MM a year from CBS Sports.  I mean, I know his radio show/podcast is very successful, but that is a HUGE chunk of change for someone that a lot of knowledgeable sports fans don't realize is still relevant.

Jim Rome still has a job… any job? Wow. Efficient market my patoot, 0% chance there’s a positive ROI there especially considering the opportunity cost of paying him $30M to be invisible means you could spend $30M on literally any other productive asset.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on May 10, 2022, 07:30:50 PM
To be fair, where is CBS Sports going to spend that money. Pete Prisco?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 10, 2022, 10:00:33 PM
Funny munny.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 11, 2022, 08:42:24 AM
Jim Rome still has a job… any job? Wow. Efficient market my patoot, 0% chance there’s a positive ROI there especially considering the opportunity cost of paying him $30M to be invisible means you could spend $30M on literally any other productive asset.
Count me as one who didn't know Rome was still working.  I think this is the first time I've seen his name in 10+ years. Is this a 'come back', or has he been working this entire time?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on May 11, 2022, 08:45:16 AM
He has been working the whole time.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 11, 2022, 08:50:29 AM
Those who follow TV sports are speculating that Greg Olsen will be FOX's lead football analyst this season, and then Brady will take the job next year.

I doubt Brady will be better than the outstanding Olsen, let alone 20x better (or however much more Brady will be paid than Olsen).

After perhaps the initial telecast or two with some folks tuning in to see if Brady's any good, how many people will watch a game with Brady as the analyst who wouldn't have watched it anyway no matter who was the analyst?

This just seems like FOX spending money for the sake of spending money.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 11, 2022, 09:17:16 AM
Those who follow TV sports are speculating that Greg Olsen will be FOX's lead football analyst this season, and then Brady will take the job next year.

I doubt Brady will be better than the outstanding Olsen, let alone 20x better (or however much more Brady will be paid than Olsen).

After perhaps the initial telecast or two with some folks tuning in to see if Brady's any good, how many people will watch a game with Brady as the analyst who wouldn't have watched it anyway no matter who was the analyst?

This just seems like FOX spending money for the sake of spending money.

And Olsen is yet another guy who showed a ton of personality as a player.  Starting doing sideline work and analyst work while playing, then worked his way up.

Brady?  I mean, I'm not trying to argue his legacy as a player, but nobody except the biggest Brady fanboys think he has some super engaging personality or charisma.  Its just ridiculous to me.

Will people tune in to watch Brady who wouldn't have otherwise?  Yea, Mpretty boys.  But just wait till he does a Pats game and says something less than fawning over the Pats, if he's indeed being an objective analyst, they will lose their minds.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on May 11, 2022, 09:33:57 AM
Yeah I don't get shelling out that much money for a TV analyst.  Are that many more people going to watch because of Brady, Romo, Aikman, etc. to make these contracts worth it?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 11, 2022, 09:40:50 AM
Yeah I don't get shelling out that much money for a TV analyst.  Are that many more people going to watch because of Brady, Romo, Aikman, etc. to make these contracts worth it?

It seems exorbitant, and perhaps I'm wrong to trust that any of these people know what they're doing, but I would guess that the accountants over at FOX, CBS and ESPN have a pretty good idea what kind of revenue their NFL broadcasts will generate and how much more they can ask for an ad buy from a game with Brady, Romo and Aikman attached.
They may be projecting wrongly, but I don't think they're spending money for the sake of spending it. They have reason to believe these guys will boost revenues. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 11, 2022, 12:44:58 PM
Absolutely baffling to me.  Ive seen nothing from Brady that tells me he's gonna be some lights out, A+++ analyst.  I would have said it was ridiculous for Manning in the same position, and he showed far more potential for it than Brady.  We saw how Brees struggled.

The other shocking side story was Jim Rome getting $30MM a year from CBS Sports.  I mean, I know his radio show/podcast is very successful, but that is a HUGE chunk of change for someone that a lot of knowledgeable sports fans don't realize is still relevant.

I don't get it either.  Will a large audience tune in to hear Brady's thoughts?  Is is value THAT much higher than someone you could get for far less money?

Baffling is the perfect word.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 11, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
This is anecdotal and a sample of 1, but if I’m torn between 2 games, I’d maybe choose the one with Romo because of his style. Granted that would be a tiebreaker below which one impacts my fantasy matchup more.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 11, 2022, 01:20:34 PM
This is anecdotal and a sample of 1, but if I’m torn between 2 games, I’d maybe choose the one with Romo because of his style. Granted that would be a tiebreaker below which one impacts my fantasy matchup more.

I think people would watch Pol Pot call NFL games.  How many people legit don’t watch because of who the announcer is?  Every fanbase thinks announcers are biased against their team and still tune in
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on May 11, 2022, 01:26:12 PM
It seems exorbitant, and perhaps I'm wrong to trust that any of these people know what they're doing, but I would guess that the accountants over at FOX, CBS and ESPN have a pretty good idea what kind of revenue their NFL broadcasts will generate and how much more they can ask for an ad buy from a game with Brady, Romo and Aikman attached.
They may be projecting wrongly, but I don't think they're spending money for the sake of spending it. They have reason to believe these guys will boost revenues. 


Are more people watching those games because of the announcers or because those announcers are usually doing the best games?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 11, 2022, 02:05:13 PM
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/tarik-cohen-mental-health-nfl-football

This was an interesting read
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on May 11, 2022, 04:20:52 PM
It seems exorbitant, and perhaps I'm wrong to trust that any of these people know what they're doing, but I would guess that the accountants over at FOX, CBS and ESPN have a pretty good idea what kind of revenue their NFL broadcasts will generate and how much more they can ask for an ad buy from a game with Brady, Romo and Aikman attached.
They may be projecting wrongly, but I don't think they're spending money for the sake of spending it. They have reason to believe these guys will boost revenues.
I think the networks will try to leverage the presence of these guys into increases in pricing for advertisers...they have to do something to make up for cratering ratings across their non-live-sports programming and this is as good a try as any.  As someone familiar with the buyer's side of the desk, I don't think it will work in the sense that ratings will be higher, but they may be able to leverage an incremental percentage point or two pricing increase vs year prior.  Analysts aren't gonna drive incremental viewership but they might make one network's inventory more attractive than anothers. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on May 11, 2022, 04:47:32 PM
Just one man's position; I've never watched a sporting event because of the announcer. I have turned some off, rarely, because of the announcer.

Now, I have listened to some baseball on the radio because of the announcers.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 11, 2022, 08:47:00 PM
I think the networks will try to leverage the presence of these guys into increases in pricing for advertisers...they have to do something to make up for cratering ratings across their non-live-sports programming and this is as good a try as any.  As someone familiar with the buyer's side of the desk, I don't think it will work in the sense that ratings will be higher, but they may be able to leverage an incremental percentage point or two pricing increase vs year prior.  Analysts aren't gonna drive incremental viewership but they might make one network's inventory more attractive than anothers.

As good a take as any.

Bravo to Brady (and/or his agent) for not “settling” for pathetic Aikman money.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 12, 2022, 08:43:07 AM
I think the networks will try to leverage the presence of these guys into increases in pricing for advertisers...they have to do something to make up for cratering ratings across their non-live-sports programming and this is as good a try as any.  As someone familiar with the buyer's side of the desk, I don't think it will work in the sense that ratings will be higher, but they may be able to leverage an incremental percentage point or two pricing increase vs year prior.  Analysts aren't gonna drive incremental viewership but they might make one network's inventory more attractive than anothers.

Yea, makes sense.  One thing that was always surprising to me, at least initially, in my media agency days was what a terrible ROI the NFL was.  The side programming (recap shows, NFL draft, etc...) and digital properties had good value, but the actual games themselves were often just tables stakes to be seen as spending in the category.  And that 10-12 years ago before the live TV space changed dramatically.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 12, 2022, 09:27:29 AM
Bears @ Packers week 2 on SNF. I think Bears @ Pack on SNF has happened 20 years in a row now.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on May 12, 2022, 09:44:59 AM
Bears @ Packers week 2 on SNF. I think Bears @ Pack on SNF has happened 20 years in a row now.

Kind of amazing...

2022: Sunday night
2021: Sunday night
2020: Sunday night
2019: Sunday 1:00
2018: Sunday night
2017: Thursday night
2016: Thursday night
2015: Thursday night
2014: Sunday night
2013: Monday night
2012: Thursday night
2011: Sunday night

So only once in the last 12 seasons have the Bears played the Packers @ Lambeau on a Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 12, 2022, 09:55:39 AM
Watt's da point of havin' a schedule announcement show wen da 'hole fookin' schedule is leaked beafour hand, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: BrewCity83 on May 12, 2022, 11:16:59 AM
Packers 2022 schedule leaks, per SI.com:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/12/packers-2022-nfl-schedule-leak-report

Week 2 vs. Bears Sunday Night Football
Week 4 vs. Patriots at 4:25 p.m. ET
Week 6 vs. Jets at 1 p.m. ET
Week 11 vs. Titans Thursday Night Football
Week 15 vs. Rams Monday Night Football
Week 16 at Dolphins Christmas Day Game at 1 p.m. ET
Week 17 vs. Vikings on Sunday
Week 18 vs. Lions on Sunday
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 12, 2022, 12:33:14 PM
Packers 2022 schedule leaks, per SI.com:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/12/packers-2022-nfl-schedule-leak-report

Week 2 vs. Bears Sunday Night Football
Week 4 vs. Patriots at 4:25 p.m. ET
Week 6 vs. Jets at 1 p.m. ET
Week 11 vs. Titans Thursday Night Football
Week 15 vs. Rams Monday Night Football
Week 16 at Dolphins Christmas Day Game at 1 p.m. ET
Week 17 vs. Vikings on Sunday
Week 18 vs. Lions on Sunday

I see 1 win unless they replace the QB
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Ardmore Mug on May 12, 2022, 12:33:24 PM
Week 14 -- BYE ! ! !  :(   8-)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 12, 2022, 03:14:49 PM
I see 1 win unless they replace the QB



Yeah, dey gotta peddle Luv's ass, aina?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 12, 2022, 03:18:50 PM


Yeah, dey gotta peddle Luv's ass, aina?

No, 12.  If they don’t, then I know they aren’t a serious franchise and are more concerned with fan service
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 12, 2022, 03:20:11 PM
10 ain't worth stink, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 12, 2022, 03:26:50 PM
10 ain't worth stink, hey?

Neither is 12, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 25, 2022, 03:08:42 PM
 Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
The #Raiders are actually working out FA QB Colin Kaepernick today, source said. His first workout in years.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 25, 2022, 03:11:00 PM
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
The #Raiders are actually working out FA QB Colin Kaepernick today, source said. His first workout in years.

Sad to see the Raiders become so woke.  If they sign him I’m cancelling my NFL RedZone subscription. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 25, 2022, 03:31:25 PM
I could be mistaken, but didn't Kaepernick in the past say he wasn't interested in being a backup?  If so, he's not supplanting Carr so not sure why the Raiders.  If he has changed his mind on this, then good for him and I hope he does well in the work/tryout
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on May 25, 2022, 04:06:53 PM
NFL takes $7.5 million from each team for St. Louis settlement (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-takes-7-5-million-212717553.html)

Rams owner Stan Kroenke doesn’t back away from his obligations. Unless he does.

Although Cowboys owner Jerry Jones proclaimed last year that Kroenke is a “man of principle” who “doesn’t back away” at a time when reporting suggested that Kroenke was trying to back away from his promise to indemnify his partners regarding the litigation filed following the relocation of the Rams, a significant portion of the $790 million settlement has been foisted upon the league’s teams.

Daniel Kaplan of TheAthletic.com reports that the league has “quietly” taken $7.5 million from each team in connection with the settlement. This amounts to $232.5 million.

It’s unclear whether they’ll get the money back. Per Kaplan, some team executives complained that the situation has created budgeting issues, since they don’t know whether and when the money will be returned.

Kroenke’s argument for solely bearing the costs of the litigation but not the settlement comes from the indemnity provision crafted by the league and adopted by the owners. At least one owner previously, and privately, has characterized the failure of the indemnity provision to include the amount of the settlement “malpractice” by the lawyers.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on May 25, 2022, 04:35:57 PM
I could be mistaken, but didn't Kaepernick in the past say he wasn't interested in being a backup?  If so, he's not supplanting Carr so not sure why the Raiders.  If he has changed his mind on this, then good for him and I hope he does well in the work/tryout
If that's true, he's delusional about his abilities. You can't sit for years and expect to come in as a starter, particularly when his last years weren't all that great as it was.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 25, 2022, 05:17:07 PM
If that's true, he's delusional about his abilities. You can't sit for years and expect to come in as a starter, particularly when his last years weren't all that great as it was.

That was what was publicly stated in 2018-2019.  I know he refused the Broncos on that basis. But I just see now he stated last month that he'd be willing to be a backup.  In that case, I hope he sticks if nothing but to put an end to a lot of dumb narratives about his actual football ability.

In the years since he's been out of the league, it feels like some want to make him out to be peak Michael Vick while others act like he was Seneca Wallace
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on May 25, 2022, 06:11:08 PM
Why would he voluntarily return to slavery?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 29, 2022, 02:16:43 PM
Antonio Brown looks like he can’t get any takers for his services.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/29/antonio-brown-says-he-wont-play-in-nfl-in-2022/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 31, 2022, 10:00:30 AM
As we go through the offseason where salaries and new contracts come up, the disparity in NFL salaries compared to other sports never ceases to amaze me.  I know roster size has a big part of it, but its still so crazy.

Just watched an episode of the IAMATHLETE podcast with Aaron Donald.  One of the hosts was Lesean McCoy.  Shady was a STUD at his peak.  2 time first team All Pro.  7 Pro Bowl seasons.  All Decade team for the 2010s.  Rushing yards leader, incredible 2 way RB.  He made $60MM in a 12 year NFL career.

Looking at the Bucks.  George Hill has never made an All Star game.  Steady but unspectacular guard, but his best seasons he wasn't even the best guard on his team, much less one of the tops in even his division.  But through 12 seasons he made just over $90MM...

Brook Lopez.  Another good but not great player.  Tons of empty stats on bad teams.  1 ASG but nobody is talking about him with the tops at his position...through 12 seasons he made double McCoy's career earnings.

Mommas don't let your kids be football players, especially not RBs.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 31, 2022, 10:33:47 AM
Why would he voluntarily return to slavery?

Stunning that you take his words out of context.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 31, 2022, 10:40:32 AM
As we go through the offseason where salaries and new contracts come up, the disparity in NFL salaries compared to other sports never ceases to amaze me.  I know roster size has a big part of it, but its still so crazy.

Just watched an episode of the IAMATHLETE podcast with Aaron Donald.  One of the hosts was Lesean McCoy.  Shady was a STUD at his peak.  2 time first team All Pro.  7 Pro Bowl seasons.  All Decade team for the 2010s.  Rushing yards leader, incredible 2 way RB.  He made $60MM in a 12 year NFL career.

Looking at the Bucks.  George Hill has never made an All Star game.  Steady but unspectacular guard, but his best seasons he wasn't even the best guard on his team, much less one of the tops in even his division.  But through 12 seasons he made just over $90MM...

Brook Lopez.  Another good but not great player.  Tons of empty stats on bad teams.  1 ASG but nobody is talking about him with the tops at his position...through 12 seasons he made double McCoy's career earnings.

Mommas don't let your kids be football players, especially not RBs.

That doesn’t even account for the lack of guarantees for NFL. George Hill could have torn his ACL and gotten all his contract. Not the same for McCoy.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 31, 2022, 12:45:11 PM
As we go through the offseason where salaries and new contracts come up, the disparity in NFL salaries compared to other sports never ceases to amaze me.  I know roster size has a big part of it, but its still so crazy.

Just watched an episode of the IAMATHLETE podcast with Aaron Donald.  One of the hosts was Lesean McCoy.  Shady was a STUD at his peak.  2 time first team All Pro.  7 Pro Bowl seasons.  All Decade team for the 2010s.  Rushing yards leader, incredible 2 way RB.  He made $60MM in a 12 year NFL career.

Looking at the Bucks.  George Hill has never made an All Star game.  Steady but unspectacular guard, but his best seasons he wasn't even the best guard on his team, much less one of the tops in even his division.  But through 12 seasons he made just over $90MM...

Brook Lopez.  Another good but not great player.  Tons of empty stats on bad teams.  1 ASG but nobody is talking about him with the tops at his position...through 12 seasons he made double McCoy's career earnings.

Mommas don't let your kids be football players, especially not RBs.

Is Aaron Donald really this dumb? He had no idea what he was talking about - to the point where he said it isn’t about money and it is about money in the same sentence.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 31, 2022, 12:58:37 PM
Is Aaron Donald really this dumb? He had no idea what he was talking about - to the point where he said it isn’t about money and it is about money in the same sentence.

I took it as "its not about money" in the sense that he doesn't need it.  He's made $100MM so he's good.  But at the same time, its about money from the respect/value angle.  Aaron Rodgers doesn't need money but he has an infatuation with being paid the highest or amongst the very top.

I mean, if you're willing to retire if not for a deal you think you deserve, its sort of beyond money at that point in terms of the actual impact on your life.  But the money represents respect or stature.

He's done everything there is to do.  He has a ring, he has multiple DPOY, he's a surefire HOFer.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 31, 2022, 02:08:54 PM
I took it as "its not about money" in the sense that he doesn't need it.  He's made $100MM so he's good.  But at the same time, its about money from the respect/value angle.  Aaron Rodgers doesn't need money but he has an infatuation with being paid the highest or amongst the very top.

I mean, if you're willing to retire if not for a deal you think you deserve, its sort of beyond money at that point in terms of the actual impact on your life.  But the money represents respect or stature.

He's done everything there is to do.  He has a ring, he has multiple DPOY, he's a surefire HOFer.

I pretty much agree with your comments, but the way respect is measured in the League is thru $$$$. That makes it about Money.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 31, 2022, 09:36:52 PM
Akiem Hicks to Bucs

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tampa-bay-bucaneers-sign-former-pro-bowler-akiem-hicks
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 31, 2022, 10:10:26 PM
I took it as "its not about money" in the sense that he doesn't need it.  He's made $100MM so he's good.  But at the same time, its about money from the respect/value angle.  Aaron Rodgers doesn't need money but he has an infatuation with being paid the highest or amongst the very top.

I mean, if you're willing to retire if not for a deal you think you deserve, its sort of beyond money at that point in terms of the actual impact on your life.  But the money represents respect or stature.

He's done everything there is to do.  He has a ring, he has multiple DPOY, he's a surefire HOFer.

Yeah, it does sound crazy, but in pro sports, money often IS respect. I am the best, therefore I am the highest paid.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on June 06, 2022, 03:17:08 PM
Man the Browns trade for Deshaun Watson is looking extremely questionable right now.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: YaBlueIt on June 06, 2022, 03:24:20 PM
Man the Browns trade for Deshaun Watson is looking extremely questionable right now.

Only "right now"? This looked like a terrible decision from the start, beginning with alienating Mayfield
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on June 06, 2022, 04:40:56 PM
Only "right now"? This looked like a terrible decision from the start, beginning with alienating Mayfield

Mayfield is nothing special. Average QB. I don't fault the Browns for wanting to upgrade over him. However, doing so with Watson was a terrible decision.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on June 06, 2022, 06:46:43 PM
The Panthers' QB situation has been a dumpster fire ever since Cam's injuries in 2018, but I was very glad they didn't get Watson.

They supposedly are interested in Mayfield, but only if the Browns pay most of his salary. I'm meh about it, though if healthy he's gotta be better than Darnold.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on June 07, 2022, 08:54:16 PM
I honestly haven't followed the plethora of accusations against DeShaun Watson but WTH?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on June 08, 2022, 11:56:21 AM
The Commanders' defensive team meetings are going to be interesting this season.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 08, 2022, 01:44:38 PM
The Commanders' defensive team meetings are going to be interesting this season.

Why does he even answer anything related to either incident.

"I'm not going to talk about anything like that, I'm here to talk about our team, and specifically defense."

What a dope.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on June 08, 2022, 07:53:15 PM
The Commanders' defensive team meetings are going to be interesting this season.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnbczJEUMAAeG1R.jpg)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on June 08, 2022, 08:22:51 PM
There's a wint tweet for everything.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on June 21, 2022, 02:36:34 PM
Gronk retires again. Great career over for good it seems . Body took too much abuse .

https://twitter.com/RobGronkowski/status/1539314500280537089
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on June 21, 2022, 03:47:26 PM
Deshaun Watson Settles 20 of the 24 Sexual Misconduct Cases Against Him

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/21/sports/football/deshaun-watson-settlements.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20220621&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=96350&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

Meanwhile, Herschel Walker, who has been highly critical of "absentee fathers" has been discovered to have fathered 3 children he mostly (or completely) ignored.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/herschel-walker-critic-of-absentee-dads-admits-to-yet-another-secret-son
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on June 21, 2022, 03:50:49 PM
Deshaun Watson Settles 20 of the 24 Sexual Misconduct Cases Against Him

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/21/sports/football/deshaun-watson-settlements.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20220621&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=96350&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

Meanwhile, Herschel Walker, who has been highly critical of "absentee fathers" has been discovered to have fathered 3 children he mostly (or completely) ignored.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/herschel-walker-critic-of-absentee-dads-admits-to-yet-another-secret-son

This year will be the 1st time I have ever rooted for a guy to get injured - hopefully career ending. Screw Browns fans!
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on June 21, 2022, 04:10:30 PM
Almost every Browns' fan I know is EXTREMELY conflicted about the franchise right now.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on June 21, 2022, 04:13:00 PM
Almost every Browns' fan I know is EXTREMELY conflicted about the franchise right now.

I don’t know what the percentage is, but I would imagine it is pretty high.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on June 22, 2022, 04:19:02 PM
Tony Siragusa dies at 55
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on June 25, 2022, 08:31:21 PM
WSJ says NFL wants to suspend Watson indefinitely, with the earliest reinstatement comingin 2023.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/deshaun-watson-nfl-suspension-contract-11656194645
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on June 25, 2022, 08:40:08 PM
WSJ says NFL wants to suspend Watson indefinitely, with the earliest reinstatement comingin 2023.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/deshaun-watson-nfl-suspension-contract-11656194645
Browns should keep Baker Mayfield he still has one year left guaranteed so why not use him
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on June 25, 2022, 09:25:28 PM
WSJ says NFL wants to suspend Watson indefinitely, with the earliest reinstatement comingin 2023.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/deshaun-watson-nfl-suspension-contract-11656194645

So glad the Panthers didn’t get that guy.

Browns should keep Baker Mayfield he still has one year left guaranteed so why not use him

The problem is that you’ve told the world that he sucks.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on June 25, 2022, 09:38:26 PM
Browns should keep Baker Mayfield he still has one year left guaranteed so why not use him

Problem is, Baker doesn't want to be there and may very well sit out.
Even if he doesn't, do you want a guy half-assing it as your starting QB?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on June 26, 2022, 07:26:27 AM
Problem is, Baker doesn't want to be there and may very well sit out.
Even if he doesn't, do you want a guy half-assing it as your starting QB?
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I think he would try as hard as possible . If he does well he would be in line for a big second contract somewhere .
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 26, 2022, 09:38:20 PM
WSJ says NFL wants to suspend Watson indefinitely, with the earliest reinstatement comingin 2023.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/deshaun-watson-nfl-suspension-contract-11656194645

Kaep was right. 🤬🤬🤬
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 05, 2022, 04:02:52 PM
Demaryius Thomas had CTE. Seems to be the case for many of these players.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34196429/boston-university-researchers-say-late-nfl-star-wide-receiver-demaryius-thomas-suffered-degenerative-brain-disease-cte
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 05, 2022, 04:04:50 PM
Demaryius Thomas had CTE. Seems to be the case for many of these players.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34196429/boston-university-researchers-say-late-nfl-star-wide-receiver-demaryius-thomas-suffered-degenerative-brain-disease-cte

Well, yeah.  Football kills but it’s entertaining as hell
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 06, 2022, 12:51:57 PM
Baker is a Panther.
Congrats, 82.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 06, 2022, 12:53:29 PM
Baker is a Panther.
Congrats, 82.


For a conditional fifth round pick.  That seems...cheap.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 06, 2022, 12:57:38 PM

For a conditional fifth round pick.  That seems...cheap.

Plus, Cleveland is taking on 2/3 of Mayfield's salary.
Heck of an offseason for the Browns.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 06, 2022, 01:01:31 PM
I mean, I get that Mayfield sucked last year. But he was also hurt. Seems a little early to be throwing in the towel on that experiment.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 06, 2022, 01:07:55 PM
I mean, I get that Mayfield sucked last year. But he was also hurt. Seems a little early to be throwing in the towel on that experiment.

Yea, its not like he hasn't shown the ability to be a solid NFL QB.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 06, 2022, 01:29:45 PM
The Dave Tepper era...

22-43, 0 winning seasons, 0 playoff appearances, 3 straight 5 win seasons, favored in 2 of 17 games in the look ahead 2022 season.

Traded away:

2nd/3rd/4th/4th/5th/6th for QB's Mayfield/Darnold/Corral

No bueno.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 06, 2022, 01:52:05 PM
The Dave Tepper era...

22-43, 0 winning seasons, 0 playoff appearances, 3 straight 5 win seasons, favored in 2 of 17 games in the look ahead 2022 season.

Traded away:

2nd/3rd/4th/4th/5th/6th for QB's Mayfield/Darnold/Corral

No bueno.

Also:
- Hired Matt Rhule
- Gave a RB a $30 million guarantee immediately after a dreaded 400+ touch season, when he was still two years away from free agency. Predictable results ensue
- Signed Denzel Perryman to a two-year deal, traded him three months later for a 6th round pick, watched him put up a Pro Bowl season for the Raiders
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 06, 2022, 01:53:21 PM
I mean, I get that Mayfield sucked last year. But he was also hurt. Seems a little early to be throwing in the towel on that experiment.

I think he will be a Jay Cutler type QB. Not in style of course (since that would assume Cuter had style). But rather that he will be just a guy ranked somewhere around 20th among NFL QBs. Better than Darnold, but not good enough to be a guy who can lead you to the Playoffs on a regular basis.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 06, 2022, 01:54:54 PM
The Dave Tepper era...

22-43, 0 winning seasons, 0 playoff appearances, 3 straight 5 win seasons, favored in 2 of 17 games in the look ahead 2022 season.

Traded away:

2nd/3rd/4th/4th/5th/6th for QB's Mayfield/Darnold/Corral

No bueno.

Surprised he didn't work for the Bears. The resume' is there.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 08, 2022, 02:50:01 PM
Baker is a Panther.
Congrats, 82.

Thanks?

Can't be worse than Darnold ... right? Please tell me that's right!

The Dave Tepper era...

22-43, 0 winning seasons, 0 playoff appearances, 3 straight 5 win seasons, favored in 2 of 17 games in the look ahead 2022 season.

Traded away:

2nd/3rd/4th/4th/5th/6th for QB's Mayfield/Darnold/Corral

No bueno.

Also:
- Hired Matt Rhule
- Gave a RB a $30 million guarantee immediately after a dreaded 400+ touch season, when he was still two years away from free agency. Predictable results ensue
- Signed Denzel Perryman to a two-year deal, traded him three months later for a 6th round pick, watched him put up a Pro Bowl season for the Raiders

He also entered a deal with a Charlotte suburb (Rock Hill, SC) to build the team's new training site there ... and reneged on it shortly thereafter, but not until after the suburb had spent millions of dollars getting the site ready.

The NFL's richest owner also is greasing the wheel toward the bazillion dollars in taxpayer money he expects to receive to build a new stadium.

So yes, the Tepper Era has been splendid so far.

But at least we've got Baker Mayfield!!!



Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on July 11, 2022, 10:45:23 PM
WSJ says NFL wants to suspend Watson indefinitely, with the earliest reinstatement comingin 2023.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/deshaun-watson-nfl-suspension-contract-11656194645

The Paul Hourning/Alex Karras punishment. Both were reinstated by Pete Rozelle after one year.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 15, 2022, 09:03:22 AM
Appearing on Spotify's "Drive," Tom Brady said his wealth is the “hardest thing” about raising their children.

“We have people that clean for us. We have people that make our food. We have people that drive us to the airport if we need that. … We get off a plane and there’s people waiting there for us and we get ushered in. That’s my kids’ reality, which is the hard part to say, ‘Guys, this is not the way reality really is. … What can we do about that?’”

I mean, anybody with kids can relate to that.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 15, 2022, 09:07:50 AM
Eh, Tom Brady drives me nuts, but he seems like a pretty decent family guy. I get what he is saying, although it would obviously be a nice problem to have.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 19, 2022, 09:31:23 AM
When you suck, as the Panthers do now and have for most of their existence, you'll try to find non-results ways to fire up the masses.

They just announced that, for the first time, they'll wear black helmets, black jerseys and black pants in their one prime-time game this season (Thu 11/10). The short video they released along with the announcement said they're "bringing out the Dark Side."

https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-unveil-black-helmets-all-black-uniform-combination?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email_news&utm_campaign=black_helmets_2022&utm_content=07-19&utm_term=subscriber_news

I don't do Panthers fan sites -- Scoop's as much fan fun as I can handle -- but newspaper reports say those sites are "blowing up" after seeing the video. I do like the all-black look as an alternate uniform ... but I'd rather they had a great quarterback.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on July 19, 2022, 09:37:26 AM
... but I'd rather they had a great quarterback.

(Lions fan snorts)   Yeah, like that matters.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 19, 2022, 09:56:05 AM
(Lions fan snorts)   Yeah, like that matters.

C'mon now ... you guys won a lot when Bobby Layne was under center!
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on July 19, 2022, 10:01:41 AM
I do like the all-black look as an alternate uniform ... but I'd rather they had a great quarterback.

I don't know about "great" but I personally think that Mayfield can be a very good quarterback. He was playing well before he got hurt last year and ended up playing hurt pretty much all season. The Browns did him a real disservice by allowing it. I hope he does really well for Carolina.

I think that Carolina made a very good trade there. As a Browns fan, I hope that management learned a little something about the stupidity of totally trashing and devaluing a player before you try to trade him. I doubt it.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on July 19, 2022, 11:53:04 AM
When you suck, as the Panthers do now and have for most of their existence, you'll try to find non-results ways to fire up the masses.

They just announced that, for the first time, they'll wear black helmets, black jerseys and black pants in their one prime-time game this season (Thu 11/10). The short video they released along with the announcement said they're "bringing out the Dark Side."

https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-unveil-black-helmets-all-black-uniform-combination?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email_news&utm_campaign=black_helmets_2022&utm_content=07-19&utm_term=subscriber_news

I don't do Panthers fan sites -- Scoop's as much fan fun as I can handle -- but newspaper reports say those sites are "blowing up" after seeing the video. I do like the all-black look as an alternate uniform ... but I'd rather they had a great quarterback.

Those are nice. It’s about time the NFL let teams get more creative with the different colored helmets. There should be some solid alternates this year.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 19, 2022, 01:13:50 PM
I don't know about "great" but I personally think that Mayfield can be a very good quarterback. He was playing well before he got hurt last year and ended up playing hurt pretty much all season. The Browns did him a real disservice by allowing it. I hope he does really well for Carolina.

I think that Carolina made a very good trade there. As a Browns fan, I hope that management learned a little something about the stupidity of totally trashing and devaluing a player before you try to trade him. I doubt it.

I agree it was a good trade. The Panthers gave up very little and won't have to pay most of the salary Mayfield's due.

He played pretty darn well in 2020, including a great performance in a playoff win at Pittsburgh, and we Panthers fans are hoping that a healthy, motivated Mayfield could make our team one of the NFL's surprise stories this season. The Panthers have some offensive weapons (if McCaffrey stays healthy) and they've upgraded what had been a horrible line ... so come on, Baker, show us what you've got!
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on July 19, 2022, 01:45:46 PM
Talk about digging up an old quote:

Quote from: MU82 on July 11, 1970, 05:13:30 PM
... but I'd rather they had a great quarterback.

(Lions fan snorts)   Yeah, like that matters.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 19, 2022, 02:48:11 PM
Talk about digging up an old quote:

Quote from: MU82 on July 11, 1970, 05:13:30 PM
... but I'd rather they had a great quarterback.

(Lions fan snorts)   Yeah, like that matters.

Wut? I was 9 years old on July 11, 1970.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 19, 2022, 02:51:34 PM
Those are nice. It’s about time the NFL let teams get more creative with the different colored helmets. There should be some solid alternates this year.

I LOVE LOVE the Bengals white alternate helmets they teased this week
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on July 19, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
I LOVE LOVE the Bengals white alternate helmets they teased this week

Yeah those are nice. I have yet to see an alternate that I don’t like quite a bit.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 19, 2022, 06:35:55 PM
Those are nice. It’s about time the NFL let teams get more creative with the different colored helmets. There should be some solid alternates this year.

I don’t think they are doing it to make fans happy. These new look unis are money trees.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on July 19, 2022, 06:50:30 PM
I don’t think they are doing it to make fans happy. These new look unis are money trees.

Did they change the uniform rule? I thought it was just allowing a second helmet now. Not many fans are buying helmets.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 19, 2022, 06:57:14 PM
These Panthers helmets are great - best adaptation of the new shell rule, at least until the Bengals' pictures leak. The Saints black lids are gross...they should have gone white
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on July 23, 2022, 04:17:19 PM
Bakhtiari going on the PUP can’t be great.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 23, 2022, 07:13:36 PM
Bakhtiari going on the PUP can’t be great.

Yeah that isn't great.  He can come off anytime before first game, but yeah... he might be done if this doesn't resolve soon.

He's been very open with his recovery.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 23, 2022, 07:35:32 PM
Bakhtiari going on the PUP can’t be great.

He wants out.  My sources tell me him and Rodgers had a major blowup in the locker
Room before the NFC Championship game
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 25, 2022, 06:46:04 AM
Texans rookie John Metchie diagnosed with leukemia, likely to miss 2022 season

https://sports.yahoo.com/texans-rookie-john-metchie-diagnosed-with-leukemia-likely-to-miss-2022-season-185627714.html

Houston rookie wide receiver John Metchie III said in a statement through the Texans that he was diagnosed with Acute Promyelocytic Leukemia (APL). He said he is receiving great medical care and expects to recover, but will likely miss the 2022 NFL season because of it.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jimmy B is the Man on July 25, 2022, 09:08:52 AM
He wants out.  My sources tell me him and Rodgers had a major blowup in the locker
Room before the NFC Championship game

Why were they in the locker room for the 49ers/Rams NFC Championship game?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 25, 2022, 09:11:27 AM
Why were they in the locker room for the 49ers/Rams NFC Championship game?

Rodgers was trying to broker a trade to the 49ers and Shanahan invited him to the game.  Bahk found out and confronted him at the game.  Big blowout
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 25, 2022, 09:57:51 AM
Why were they in the locker room for the 49ers/Rams NFC Championship game?
Rico is trolling.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 25, 2022, 10:20:55 AM
Rico is trolling.

You can believe the lane stream media like The View or me.  Your choice
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 25, 2022, 11:43:27 AM
Texans rookie John Metchie diagnosed with leukemia, likely to miss 2022 season

https://sports.yahoo.com/texans-rookie-john-metchie-diagnosed-with-leukemia-likely-to-miss-2022-season-185627714.html

Houston rookie wide receiver John Metchie III said in a statement through the Texans that he was diagnosed with Acute Promyelocytic Leukemia (APL). He said he is receiving great medical care and expects to recover, but will likely miss the 2022 NFL season because of it.

Advances in treating leukemia have come a long way. I can remember Red Skelton making a heartfelt plea at the end of his weekly TV show back in the 1950s in raising funds for leukemia research after the death of his 8 year old son succumbed to the disease. Then there was the tragic story of Ernie Davis. It is gratifying that the word leukemia is no longer a certain death sentence it once was.

The movie the Express is well worth the time. It is the story about Ernie Davis the first African American to win the Heisman Trophy.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469903/
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 25, 2022, 12:35:13 PM
Advances in treating leukemia have come a long way. I can remember Red Skelton making a heartfelt plea at the end of his weekly TV show back in the 1950s in raising funds for leukemia research after the death of his 8 year old son succumbed to the disease. Then there was the tragic story of Ernie Davis. It is gratifying that the word leukemia is no longer a certain death sentence it once was.

The movie the Express is well worth the time. It is the story about Ernie Davis the first African American to win the Heisman Trophy.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469903/

Let's not forget Al McGuire.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 25, 2022, 03:46:22 PM
Advances in treating leukemia have come a long way. I can remember Red Skelton making a heartfelt plea at the end of his weekly TV show back in the 1950s in raising funds for leukemia research after the death of his 8 year old son succumbed to the disease. Then there was the tragic story of Ernie Davis. It is gratifying that the word leukemia is no longer a certain death sentence it once was.

The movie the Express is well worth the time. It is the story about Ernie Davis the first African American to win the Heisman Trophy.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469903/

This is all true. As many of you know, back in 2014, my then four year old son was diagnosed with AML leukemia. There's no "good leukemia" and AML has the worst survival rate of all forms of leukemia. The reality of things is that had my son been born in 1995, instead of 2010, it probably would have turned out very differently (that's the best way I can put it).

Need more Be The Match donors though, if you've ever thought about it, it's easy to get tested, and very much can save someone's life.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 25, 2022, 04:31:45 PM
The details coming out about the Kyler Murray contract are ... interesting?
Did the Cardinals just guarantee $160 million to a guy they don't trust?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 25, 2022, 04:45:51 PM
The details coming out about the Kyler Murray contract ate ... interesting?
Did the Cardinals just guarantee $160 million to a guy they don't trust?

The Athletic came out with their QB tiers today based off of the opinions of coaches, GMs, coordinators and scouts. The 2 highest paid QBs are ranked 9th and 13th. Neither is considered a Tier 1 QB.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 25, 2022, 04:51:57 PM
The Athletic came out with their QB tiers today based off of the opinions of coaches, GMs, coordinators and scouts. The 2 highest paid QBs are ranked 9th and 13th. Neither is considered a Tier 1 QB.
Not surprising, it seems like whoever signed most recently is the highest paid, regardless of performance. That said, the Brown's contract with Watson is a major head scratcher. Typical Browns.  ::)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 25, 2022, 05:09:14 PM
Not surprising, it seems like whoever signed most recently is the highest paid, regardless of performance. That said, the Brown's contract with Watson is a major head scratcher. Typical Browns.  ::)

Watson would be totally worth it, if not for the off the field stuff, at least his actual performance as a QB justifies the money.  He was tremendous in 2020.  Not like a guy who needs a preparation stipulation in his contract.

He's fun to watch when he's at his best, but Ive thought Murray was a clown without personality and a lame attitude going back to his OU days.  Nothing has changed that sentiment since he got to the NFL
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2022, 06:33:22 AM
Not sure it's a great sign that the Cardinals felt they had to include a mandatory 4-hours-per-week of film watching in Murray's contract.

EDIT: Here's a take by The Athletic's Chris Branch:

Buried in Murray’s deal is the most juvenile contract clause possible for a professional athlete: Do your homework, alright?

NFL Network reported Monday that Murray will be required to do at least four hours of “independent study” before each week’s game. This study material will be provided by the team, and time spent in team meetings for normal game prep does not count toward the four hours. Yes, this is a real thing.

To earn those four hours of weekly credit, the team will monitor Murray’s iPad usage to ensure he avoids activity that might “distract his attention” (actual contract language!) while he does this independent study.
This sounds perfectly fine for a middle-school assignment. I’ll even allow a tightly run college sports program. But this? For adults? Absurd. The amount of suspicion and mistrust baked into this contract — which could default, by the way, if Murray fails to adhere to the homework — is honestly bonkers.

Two true things: It’s a bad look for Murray for obvious reasons, and an equally bad look for the Cardinals, who were concerned enough about Murray’s preparation to put this clause in … but are still paying him $160 million guaranteed anyway.

Good luck to all involved.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 27, 2022, 07:55:58 AM
Ok guys, I don't live in the Chicago area, but it seems the Bears are moving to Arlington Heights where they will build a new stadium.

Do you think it will happen?

I know many New Yorkers were unhappy when the Jets and Giants moved out of the city to play in Jersey, but that was so long ago no one cares anymore.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/26/chicago-bears-solider-field-renovations-plans-dome-arlington-heights-nfl
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 27, 2022, 08:04:31 AM
It will happen and most Bears fans will be fine.  Arlington Heights is pretty accessible.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on July 27, 2022, 08:09:40 AM
Ok guys, I don't live in the Chicago area, but it seems the Bears are moving to Arlington Heights where they will build a new stadium.

Do you think it will happen?

I know many New Yorkers were unhappy when the Jets and Giants moved out of the city to play in Jersey, but that was so long ago no one cares anymore.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/26/chicago-bears-solider-field-renovations-plans-dome-arlington-heights-nfl

Yes, it will happen. Still years away, but it is a no brainer for the organization. The lack of owning their own stadium has always handicapped the Bears organization revenue wise. Arlington Heights is their opportunity to solve this.

On the fan side, Soldier Field is not a good place to watch a game. Outside a few voices, I doubt it will be all that missed. Also, most of the STHs live in the suburbs anyway.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 27, 2022, 08:30:23 AM
Yes, it will happen. Still years away, but it is a no brainer for the organization. The lack of owning their own stadium has always handicapped the Bears organization revenue wise. Arlington Heights is their opportunity to solve this.

On the fan side, Soldier Field is not a good place to watch a game. Outside a few voices, I doubt it will be all that missed. Also, most of the STHs live in the suburbs anyway.

Will the the stadium be mostly paid for by the Bears or will the state kick in some dough? I know NY state is kicking in in excess of a billion dollars to build a new stadium in Buffalo where as the Jets and Giants paid for 90% of 1.5 billion for Metlife stadium. The Jets ownership wanted a retractable roof but the Giants nixed that part of the the deal, so no roof which I thought was a dumb move.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on July 27, 2022, 08:56:23 AM
Will the the stadium be mostly paid for by the Bears or will the state kick in some dough? I know NY state is kicking in in excess of a billion dollars to build a new stadium in Buffalo where as the Jets and Giants paid for 90% of 1.5 billion for Metlife stadium. The Jets ownership wanted a retractable roof but the Giants nixed that part of the the deal, so no roof which I thought was a dumb move.

TBD. I don't see the Bears getting a huge chunk of government money for this project. However, it is likely they receive some funds for at least infrastructure improvements around the new site. This is going to be a huge complex. Also, it will be a dome stadium to host other large scale events. That's a guarantee.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 27, 2022, 09:44:59 AM
Yes, it will happen. Still years away, but it is a no brainer for the organization. The lack of owning their own stadium has always handicapped the Bears organization revenue wise. Arlington Heights is their opportunity to solve this.

On the fan side, Soldier Field is not a good place to watch a game. Outside a few voices, I doubt it will be all that missed. Also, most of the STHs live in the suburbs anyway.

YEP.  I'm a big Bears fan, have been since I was a little kid.  In the decade I lived in Chicago, I actually turned down Bears tickets more times than I went to an actual game.  By a comfortable margin.  Not a great place to watch a game and once you get to late October/November, its downright uncomfortable.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2022, 10:16:02 AM
YEP.  I'm a big Bears fan, have been since I was a little kid.  In the decade I lived in Chicago, I actually turned down Bears tickets more times than I went to an actual game.  By a comfortable margin.  Not a great place to watch a game and once you get to late October/November, its downright uncomfortable.

This is an interesting comment and one that applies across both the NFL and college.

Unless your franchise is uber successful, actually going to a game in a northern climate is often a chore.  The viewing experience from the comfort of your living room has become a much simpler and oftentimes, better viewing experience.

The college games are long and so full of commercials, watching at the stadium is tedious at this point.  The Big Ten schools are learning this the hard way.  You may have sold out games based on ticket sales but actually having full attendance?  Not so much.

The NFL remains unique enough that it isn’t as glaring, but look at Ford Field and Soldier Field late in the season.  Lots of empty seats.  Mix in night games across the season and the in-stadium experience has lessened through the years.

There are unicorns, such as Green Bay but it wasn’t that long ago, there were plenty of Sundays in the 80’e when tickets could be gotten for cheap or simply couldn’t be given away.   
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 27, 2022, 10:23:40 AM
There are unicorns, such as Green Bay but it wasn’t that long ago, there were plenty of Sundays in the 80’e when tickets could be gotten for cheap or simply couldn’t be given away.   


Even Packer tickets in December are insanely easy to get for a pretty cheap price. I probably could have found under face tickets for the 49er playoff game last January, but I had no desire to go.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 27, 2022, 10:41:06 AM
On the fan side, Soldier Field is not a good place to watch a game.
I'm no expert, but I actually like the stadium to watch a game. This is the first time I've heard complaints about the stadium for actual game experience. Everyone I've talked to thinks it rates very high. Now it is on the small side which helps. Most everyone agrees it looks terrible and game day access & parking are not good. Compared to Denver where I've had lower level, club level, upper level and even a suite for one year, I prefer Soldier Field for watching a game.

I'd be cool with Arlington Heights and I think I'd really only miss the lakefront. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 27, 2022, 11:19:59 AM
YEP.  I'm a big Bears fan, have been since I was a little kid.  In the decade I lived in Chicago, I actually turned down Bears tickets more times than I went to an actual game.  By a comfortable margin.  Not a great place to watch a game and once you get to late October/November, its downright uncomfortable.

When I'm in my seat, watching the game and weather isn't a major factor, Soldier Field is on par with the other handful of NFL stadiums I've been to. It's everything else about the experience that's worse. Concessions are lacking, the concourses are narrow and bland, the bathroom lines are awful, getting in and out of the stadium is bad, and getting in and out of the parking lots is worse.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2022, 11:25:11 AM
When I'm in my seat, watching the game and weather isn't a major factor, Soldier Field is on par with the other handful of NFL stadiums I've been to. It's everything else about the experience that's worse. Concessions are lacking, the concourses are narrow and bland, the bathroom lines are awful, getting in and out of the stadium is bad, and getting in and out of the parking lots is worse.

And that’s why the move is a no-brained for them IMO.  The game day experience is more than just the game now or has to be
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 27, 2022, 11:30:06 AM
And that’s why the move is a no-brained for them IMO.  The game day experience is more than just the game now or has to be

More than that, between hosting other events and developing the surrounding land, moving to Arlington Heights will pretty much allow the Bears to print money. Most people don't realize how big that Arlington Park property is. The land needed for the stadium and parking will take up only about a quarter of the site.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on July 27, 2022, 11:39:39 AM
I'm no expert, but I actually like the stadium to watch a game. This is the first time I've heard complaints about the stadium for actual game experience. Everyone I've talked to thinks it rates very high. Now it is on the small side which helps. Most everyone agrees it looks terrible and game day access & parking are not good. Compared to Denver where I've had lower level, club level, upper level and even a suite for one year, I prefer Soldier Field for watching a game.

I'd be cool with Arlington Heights and I think I'd really only miss the lakefront.

I was speaking about the full experience. I agree with you, the viewing experience is good.

However, everything else about attending a game at Soldier Field is bad to completely sucks.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:45 AM
More than that, between hosting other events and developing the surrounding land, moving to Arlington Heights will pretty much allow the Bears to print money. Most people don't realize how big that Arlington Park property is. Th land needed for the stadium and parking will take up only about a quarter of the site.

Agree. Calling it a new stadium is an undersell. It really will be a large scale entertainment and shopping complex.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2022, 11:51:11 AM
More than that, between hosting other events and developing the surrounding land, moving to Arlington Heights will pretty much allow the Bears to print money. Most people don't realize how big that Arlington Park property is. The land needed for the stadium and parking will take up only about a quarter of the site.

Yup.  I understand tradition and all that.  If Soldier Field could provide anything close to Arlington Park, you’d stay but they simply can’t. 

Packers have been pretty smart about this with regards to upgrading the Lambeau experience.  Until I started traveling for more sporting events did I understand what a bonus having these districts are.  In Milwaukee, if I were the Brewers, that’s what they need to start doing around AmFam
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on July 27, 2022, 01:32:58 PM
In Milwaukee, if I were the Brewers, that’s what they need to start doing around AmFam

Agreed and there is talk about developing areas of the parking lots like that.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2022, 01:34:16 PM
Agreed and there is talk about developing areas of the parking lots like that.

I love tailgating and it’s part of the culture but I wouldn’t complain about other options
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 27, 2022, 01:45:23 PM
Agreed and there is talk about developing areas of the parking lots like that.

The areas along the river from 94 down to Fredrick Miller way should be developed into space for commerce.  The areas West of the stadium and East of Mitchell Blvd should similarly be developed.

If more space is needed for the vision parking structures should be built to compensate for the missing parking and land should be reclaimed from the lots.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 27, 2022, 07:16:14 PM
I know this is the NFL thread, but the Sox may end up in Arlington as well. A lot of Sox fans don’t realize it, but come 2031, they aren’t playing at 35th & Shields any longer.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2022, 07:18:32 PM
I know this is the NFL thread, but the Sox may end up in Arlington as well. A lot of Sox fans don’t realize it, but come 2031, they aren’t playing at 35th & Shields any longer.

The last cookie cutter stadium built.  Bad timing like the Trop
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 27, 2022, 07:47:27 PM
I know this is the NFL thread, but the Sox may end up in Arlington as well. A lot of Sox fans don’t realize it, but come 2031, they aren’t playing at 35th & Shields any longer.

I'd like to think this is true, but I have a hard time believing Reinsdorf is going to fund a stadium on his own and I can't imagine there's any chance the state legislature or Cook County coughs up money to move a team out of Chicago.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on July 27, 2022, 08:06:50 PM
I'd like to think this is true, but I have a hard time believing Reinsdorf is going to fund a stadium on his own and I can't imagine there's any chance the state legislature or Cook County coughs up money to move a team out of Chicago.

Will Jerry be around to make that call? Does Michael want to keep the Sox? Will this be an issue for new ownership?

I think the future of the Sox on both the ownership and stadium front is murky.

To bring this back on topic, Arlington Heights is huge for the Bears because it helps solidify the franchise prior to Virginia's passing.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 27, 2022, 08:12:52 PM
I'd like to think this is true, but I have a hard time believing Reinsdorf is going to fund a stadium on his own and I can't imagine there's any chance the state legislature or Cook County coughs up money to move a team out of Chicago.

The “planned obsolescence” clause in the original naming rights deal (pushed out to 2029, option for 2030 when Guaranteed Rate took over) all but assured the Sox are playing elsewhere in 2031. The last 3 years of the deal, ISFA has a clause where they’re not on the hook for any improvements.

Either Reinsdorf thought he’d be dead by 2026/2027, or he plans on selling in the next few years.

I agree with everything you said, but there is a definite showdown coming between the Sox and the city/state in some capacity. There’s no way MLB will host the 2033 MLB All Star Game at an “outdated” Sox park.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 28, 2022, 05:24:09 AM
The “planned obsolescence” clause in the original naming rights deal (pushed out to 2029, option for 2030 when Guaranteed Rate took over) all but assured the Sox are playing elsewhere in 2031. The last 3 years of the deal, ISFA has a clause where they’re not on the hook for any improvements.

Either Reinsdorf thought he’d be dead by 2026/2027, or he plans on selling in the next few years.

I agree with everything you said, but there is a definite showdown coming between the Sox and the city/state in some capacity. There’s no way MLB will host the 2033 MLB All Star Game at an “outdated” Sox park.

It is hard to believe but Dodger stadium is the 3rd oldest park in the Majors and I don't think that park is "outdated". Perhaps the Sox are looking for a better location. It amazes me that some stadiums that are not even 40 years old are being replaced. As some have said it is not about the game anymore but the "experience".
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 28, 2022, 06:09:51 AM
It is hard to believe but Dodger stadium is the 3rd oldest park in the Majors and I don't think that park is "outdated". Perhaps the Sox are looking for a better location. It amazes me that some stadiums that are not even 40 years old are being replaced. As some have said it is not about the game anymore but the "experience".

40 years is a long time.  How long should these places last?  40 years ago there was no internet, and MTV was just coming on the air.  More than half the people currently alive were not born.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 28, 2022, 07:09:31 AM
40 years is a long time.  How long should these places last?  40 years ago there was no internet, and MTV was just coming on the air.  More than half the people currently alive were not born.

So the Sox will get their third stadium while the Cubs stay at Wrigley, go figure; not to mention Fenway, though those venues do have their charm. If you put a winning team on the field the place where they play won't matter much, at least to the fans.

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 28, 2022, 07:27:49 AM
It is hard to believe but Dodger stadium is the 3rd oldest park in the Majors and I don't think that park is "outdated". Perhaps the Sox are looking for a better location. It amazes me that some stadiums that are not even 40 years old are being replaced. As some have said it is not about the game anymore but the "experience".


40? You have two that were less than 30 replaced recently - for the Rangers and the Braves.

The problem with a lot of stadiums is that they aren't maintained well at all. If the team is in charge of it, they really won't do much because they'd rather just get a new stadium in the end. If the municipality is, they oftentimes don't allocate enough.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 28, 2022, 07:36:19 AM
So the Sox will get their third stadium while the Cubs stay at Wrigley, go figure; not to mention Fenway, though those venues do have their charm. If you put a winning team on the field the place where they play won't matter much, at least to the fans.

Look at the Cardinals.  Almost 1/4 of the stadium is filled nightly
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 28, 2022, 05:09:39 PM
So the Sox will get their third stadium while the Cubs stay at Wrigley, go figure; not to mention Fenway, though those venues do have their charm. If you put a winning team on the field the place where they play won't matter much, at least to the fans.

Cool.  Fenway and Wrigley both suck.

They've tricked their fans into them being classic so they don't have to upgrade.  8-)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 28, 2022, 05:55:21 PM
Cool.  Fenway and Wrigley both suck.

They've tricked their fans into them being classic so they don't have to upgrade.  8-)

Even as a Cubs fan I would agree with you, but new Wrigley after the facelift is much improved.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on July 29, 2022, 09:21:54 AM
As a Bear season ticket subscriber for 27 years, I've been in both the "old" and "new" Soldier Field as well as Champaign.

I concur with other comments in this thread. The new Soldier Field is a great place to watch a game, once you're inside. We were in 438 near the top for many years and it was incredible what you saw on the field compared to the view of television. The game was much more real. For the last five years or so, we moved down to Row 12 in 438 and it was fantastic. But climbing Mt. McCaskey to get up to upper level seats -- ugh!!! I had friends that would not go with me because that climb was way too stressful.

Getting to Soldier Field, getting access to amenities and getting into and out of the stadium was a nightmare. My fear was that someone was going to be crushed to death exiting the 300/400 level and headed downstairs. And the buses to Millennium Park -- yikes. Cattle being led to slaughter are treated more humanely. They could not have built a stadium in a place more unfriendly for most of Chicago.

For a $300 million cost overrun, you think they could have done better.

As to Arlington Heights, they Gone! There is nothing the Mayor and the Governor can do short of condemning about 100 acres of land somewhere and giving it to the Bears. That, I guarantee, will not happen. The Mayor and her hench-people are protecting the interests of the Chicago Park District.

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 29, 2022, 01:39:44 PM
Not sure it's a great sign that the Cardinals felt they had to include a mandatory 4-hours-per-week of film watching in Murray's contract.

They removed the clause from the contract yesterday because it made both sides look idiotic.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Ardmore Mug on July 29, 2022, 03:15:00 PM
Heard today on ESPN radio an interview with him, I think from when he was a rookie.  He said he doesn't need to study and do that all 24 hr stuff.  He knows what's coming. Its all in his head. He doesn't need to view previous games of the opponents, or even his own past games, becuz he knows what's coming...lol   8-)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 01, 2022, 08:04:01 AM
Deshaun Watson's suspension is two games fewer than Mychal Kendricks got for insider trading.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 01, 2022, 08:09:41 AM
Deshaun Watson's suspension is two games fewer than Mychal Kendricks got for insider trading.

Pretty disgraceful
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 01, 2022, 09:42:49 AM
Deshaun Watson's suspension is two games fewer than Mychal Kendricks got for insider trading.

This is a good time to remember Kendricks' had one of the stupidest and most hilariously flagrant insider trading records of all time.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34 on August 01, 2022, 10:11:41 AM
Deshaun Watson's suspension is two games fewer than Mychal Kendricks got for insider trading.

Justice is based on who was victimized. As Scott Galloway likes to point out, Elizabeth Holmes didn't get prosecuted because her crapty blood tests didn't work for consumers, she got prosecuted because her lies screwed over wealthy investors.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 01, 2022, 10:20:08 AM
Justice is based on who was victimized. As Scott Galloway likes to point out, Elizabeth Holmes didn't get prosecuted because her crapty blood tests didn't work for consumers, she got prosecuted because her lies screwed over wealthy investors.

Women don’t matter. In society, but especially in sports. The man is a serial sexual predator who is so evil that he has to have a clause in his contract that he can only get massages under team supervision.

His punishment? A $300,000 fine. Enjoy America, women.

Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on August 01, 2022, 10:25:20 AM
Deshaun Watson's suspension is two games fewer than Mychal Kendricks got for insider trading.

One difference is Kendricks plead guilty where Watson has only settled. I would like to think the penalty would be much harsher if he was found guilty. Granted, the prison sentence would likely outweigh the NFL suspension.

I’m not sure if the NFL also took into account that he missed all of last year.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 01, 2022, 10:32:43 AM
One difference is Kendricks plead guilty where Watson has only settled. I would like to think the penalty would be much harsher if he was found guilty. Granted, the prison sentence would likely outweigh the NFL suspension.

I’m not sure if the NFL also took into account that he missed all of last year.

This still will be appealed and Goodell will get final say. I would like to think he will increase the punishment especially considering the flak he took for the Ray Rice debacle.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 01, 2022, 12:02:28 PM
One difference is Kendricks plead guilty where Watson has only settled. I would like to think the penalty would be much harsher if he was found guilty. Granted, the prison sentence would likely outweigh the NFL suspension.

I’m not sure if the NFL also took into account that he missed all of last year.

To be clear, this wasn't the decision of thr NFL. It's a retired judge hired to decide the matter.
And her rationale for the slap on the wrist is pretty appalling.  Essentially, she found that the NFL proved Watson committed sexual assault, endangered others and harmed the league, but because players in similar circumstances only got six games (looking at you, Ben), that's how she must also find.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 02, 2022, 11:42:22 AM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/02/nfl-suspends-stephen-ross-for-tampering-with-sean-payton-tom-brady/

Between this and the whole "Tank for Tua" scenario, it doesn't seem like Stephen Ross is a very competent owner.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 02, 2022, 12:09:57 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/02/nfl-suspends-stephen-ross-for-tampering-with-sean-payton-tom-brady/

Between this and the whole "Tank for Tua" scenario, it doesn't seem like Stephen Ross is a very competent owner.

Fits in well with the majority of NFL owners
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on August 02, 2022, 12:48:16 PM
To be clear, this wasn't the decision of thr NFL. It's a retired judge hired to decide the matter.
And her rationale for the slap on the wrist is pretty appalling.  Essentially, she found that the NFL proved Watson committed sexual assault, endangered others and harmed the league, but because players in similar circumstances only got six games (looking at you, Ben), that's how she must also find.

Thanks for the background. Jockey too.

Will be interesting to see where it goes from here.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: pbiflyer on August 03, 2022, 03:55:25 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/02/nfl-suspends-stephen-ross-for-tampering-with-sean-payton-tom-brady/

Between this and the whole "Tank for Tua" scenario, it doesn't seem like Stephen Ross is a very competent owner.

I am a life long Dolphin fan. He is not.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Babybluejeans on August 13, 2022, 05:39:16 PM
Good metaphor for the Browns' decision to go all-in on Watson: https://twitter.com/i/status/1558229380656254977.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 09:08:28 AM
Some rookie apparently booted a  82 yard punt yesterday?  How is that humanly possible?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on August 14, 2022, 09:15:28 AM
Google 'Punt god'.    All will be explained.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 14, 2022, 02:51:19 PM
Some rookie apparently booted a  82 yard punt yesterday?  How is that humanly possible?

By kicking the football
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 14, 2022, 03:16:40 PM
After watching my Bears yesterday, I really think they could be the first 0-17 team in NFL history.

I wonder if Matt Eberflus (a curios choice for head coach) is a sacrificial lamb for the rebuild. He may be a decent coach but I give him about 5% chance to be the coach in two years.

As Bears fans, we are going to have to trust "The Process".
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on August 16, 2022, 10:53:02 PM
After watching my Bears yesterday, I really think they could be the first 0-17 team in NFL history.

I wonder if Matt Eberflus (a curios choice for head coach) is a sacrificial lamb for the rebuild. He may be a decent coach but I give him about 5% chance to be the coach in two years.

As Bears fans, we are going to have to trust "The Process".

After "trusting" the process for 28 years, I've had enough.

I'm not of the belief they will go 0-17, but I think 3-14 is reasonable. I think they'll make the Detroit Lions look good.

The Roquan Smith problem is indicative of the Bears. They have one of the 100 best players in the NFL but they refuse to give him a contract. And they won't trade him. Even though they traded arguably their best defensive player, Khalil Mack, to San Diego.

This team has no wide outs, no defense secondary and an offensive line that will have Justin Fields flat on his back more than a lady of the evening. They'll beat the Packers just in time for the second coming of St. Vincent of Green Bay.

I was a season ticket holder for years. I gave my tickets up this year because I'm moving and because no hope for this team and no value in holding the tickets. They will suck seawater until they move to Arlington Heights between 2027 and 2029. Until then, count on the McCaskeys to be the McCheapos.   
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on August 17, 2022, 05:57:54 AM
After "trusting" the process for 28 years, I've had enough.

I'm not of the belief they will go 0-17, but I think 3-14 is reasonable. I think they'll make the Detroit Lions look good.

The Roquan Smith problem is indicative of the Bears. They have one of the 100 best players in the NFL but they refuse to give him a contract. And they won't trade him. Even though they traded arguably their best defensive player, Khalil Mack, to San Diego.

This team has no wide outs, no defense secondary and an offensive line that will have Justin Fields flat on his back more than a lady of the evening. They'll beat the Packers just in time for the second coming of St. Vincent of Green Bay.

I was a season ticket holder for years. I gave my tickets up this year because I'm moving and because no hope for this team and no value in holding the tickets. They will suck seawater until they move to Arlington Heights between 2027 and 2029. Until then, count on the McCaskeys to be the McCheapos.

1. Roquan does not deserve to be the highest paid LB in the league

2. The defensive secondary is going to be very good
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on August 17, 2022, 01:48:32 PM
1. Roquan does not deserve to be the highest paid LB in the league
   True, but when your team sucks, you have to make compromises. Roquan is a compromise that needs to happen. He's the only lights out player on that defense.

2. The defensive secondary is going to be very good.
    In your dreams. They're going to be picked apart by every average or better quarterback in the league. Give a quarterback time and that secondary will be the Burnt Toast of the NFL.

Every team in the division has a better quarterback than the Bears do and the wide receivers came straight from Libertyville High School. Fields will have 0.5 seconds to throw before he's nailed again and again and again. He may be the second coming of Tom Brady and Joe Montana but he's going to be running for his life.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 17, 2022, 01:51:43 PM
Overpaying for talent is what bad franchises do.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 17, 2022, 02:52:47 PM
Every team in the division has a better quarterback than the Bears do and the wide receivers came straight from Libertyville High School. Fields will have 0.5 seconds to throw before he's nailed again and again and again. He may be the second coming of Tom Brady and Joe Montana but he's going to be running for his life.

I cant believe I'm defending this terrible roster, but thats just silly.  Mooney just came off a 1000 yard season despite playing in a horrific offense with a QB running for his life.  Pringle had a really nice season in his first opportunity at any sort of an expanded role in KC and doesn't drop the ball.  And Velus Jones Jr is a potential WEAPON and has looked really nice during camp.  This WR core is nowhere near as bad as the early 2000s debacles.

Also, you realize that a DB/secondary can be very good even if they aren't put in good positions to succeed.  The secondary is young but extremely talent.  Jaylon Johnson had a really good rookie season.  Kyler Gordon and Brisker are both super promising.  Just because QBs have time and there is no push upfront doesn't mean the secondary sucks.

This team is gonna be bad, but dramatically trashing every single position group on shaky ground just makes you sound like a Chicken Little meatball fan who calls into The Score after every loss freaking out.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 17, 2022, 04:44:00 PM
Every team in the division has a better quarterback than the Bears do and the wide receivers came straight from Libertyville High School. Fields will have 0.5 seconds to throw before he's nailed again and again and again. He may be the second coming of Tom Brady and Joe Montana but he's going to be running for his life.

Fields is better than Rodgers
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on August 17, 2022, 09:49:30 PM
I cant believe I'm defending this terrible roster, but thats just silly.  Mooney just came off a 1000 yard season despite playing in a horrific offense with a QB running for his life.  Pringle had a really nice season in his first opportunity at any sort of an expanded role in KC and doesn't drop the ball.  And Velus Jones Jr is a potential WEAPON and has looked really nice during camp.  This WR core is nowhere near as bad as the early 2000s debacles.

Also, you realize that a DB/secondary can be very good even if they aren't put in good positions to succeed.  The secondary is young but extremely talent.  Jaylon Johnson had a really good rookie season.  Kyler Gordon and Brisker are both super promising.  Just because QBs have time and there is no push upfront doesn't mean the secondary sucks.

This team is gonna be bad, but dramatically trashing every single position group on shaky ground just makes you sound like a Chicken Little meatball fan who calls into The Score after every loss freaking out.

Brother Wags:

1) I've never called the Score and I don't think I've listened to 670 since it converted from all news years ago.

2) I'm a die hard Packers fan who loves pro football -- hence the Bears tickets. I've enjoyed some of the more interesting Bears games over the years, including the ones where Green Bay won! I have a soft spot for the Bears but even their own grandmothers acknowledge they're going to suck this year!

3) The Bears will go cheap until Arlington Heights is about ready to open. For you Bear fans, that means five to seven years of non-stop crap football.

4) You may have a higher opinion of their position groupings than I do. But they still suck!

6) Fields > Rodgers?  In what universe???????
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 18, 2022, 06:17:45 AM
Brother Wags:

1) I've never called the Score and I don't think I've listened to 670 since it converted from all news years ago.

2) I'm a die hard Packers fan who loves pro football -- hence the Bears tickets. I've enjoyed some of the more interesting Bears games over the years, including the ones where Green Bay won! I have a soft spot for the Bears but even their own grandmothers acknowledge they're going to suck this year!

3) The Bears will go cheap until Arlington Heights is about ready to open. For you Bear fans, that means five to seven years of non-stop crap football.

4) You may have a higher opinion of their position groupings than I do. But they still suck!

6) Fields > Rodgers?  In what universe???????

So, nothing fundamentally changes.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 18, 2022, 08:07:39 AM
Fields is better than Rodgers
In the 40 YD dash?

I like Fields but I could see a scenario where Rodgers is still in the NFL and Fields is not. I wouldn't bet on it but it wouldn't shock me. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 18, 2022, 08:28:46 AM
Fields is better than Rodgers

Rodgers is much better than Fields at publicly ripping his receivers.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 18, 2022, 08:34:42 AM
Rodgers is much better than Fields at publicly ripping his receivers.

When Brady does it, he is a great leader who is ultra competitive.

When Rodgers does it, he is toxic.

Keep that in mind.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 18, 2022, 09:05:14 AM
When Brady does it, he is a great leader who is ultra competitive.

When Rodgers does it, he is toxic.

Keep that in mind.

It's almost as if a 7 rings matter.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 18, 2022, 09:14:40 AM
It's almost as if a 7 rings matter.

non sequiter
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 18, 2022, 09:37:40 AM
non sequiter

Not at all.
When you're the greatest winner in the history of the sport and a guy with a famed work ethic dedication to his craft, it buys a ton of credibility when it comes to setting and enforcing high expectations for teammates.

On the other hand, when you're a guy who consistently underachieves when it matters most and spends the offseason tripping in Peru, people tend to take you a little less seriously when you complain about others not living up to your expectations.

You don't have to like it, but them's the facts.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2022, 09:42:52 AM
Rodgers is a proven loser.  Fields still hasn’t had enough reps to prove that he is a loser, too.  It’s possible he’s a bigger loser than Rodgers.  Time will tell
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 18, 2022, 10:32:57 AM
Rodgers is a proven loser.  Fields still hasn’t had enough reps to prove that he is a loser, too.  It’s possible he’s a bigger loser than Rodgers.  Time will tell
As a Bears fan, I'd take that proven loser every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 18, 2022, 10:54:55 AM
Not at all.
When you're the greatest winner in the history of the sport and a guy with a famed work ethic dedication to his craft, it buys a ton of credibility when it comes to setting and enforcing high expectations for teammates.

On the other hand, when you're a guy who consistently underachieves when it matters most and spends the offseason tripping in Peru, people tend to take you a little less seriously when you complain about others not living up to your expectations.

You don't have to like it, but them's the facts.

The point I'm making is that ESPN has a clear anti-Rodgers slant in almost all of it's writing.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2022, 11:07:11 AM
As a Bears fan, I'd take that proven loser every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

If you like meaningless stats, he’s your guy
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2022, 11:19:35 AM
Watson gets 11 games and a $5 million fine. 
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 18, 2022, 11:33:18 AM
The point I'm making is that ESPN has a clear anti-Rodgers slant in almost all of it's writing.

I'm not sure which ESPN writing you're referring to. In the instance I reference, Rodgers went off in public. Everyone saw the video, which spoke for itself.

The media does eat that stuff up because it's so much juicier than usual QB-speak or coach-speak, but stuff like that is almost always better handled face-to-face and in private.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 18, 2022, 11:40:04 AM
Watson gets 11 games and a $5 million fine.

Got off easy.

Edit: wasn’t meant to be a pun.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2022, 11:53:02 AM
Got off easy.

Edit: wasn’t meant to be a pun.

I thought so.

The whole thing is gross.  I want to come down on the NFL but I’m not sure what other recourse they have other than to blackball Watson.  That was off the table once Cleveland gave him that crazy deal. 

He’s a predator and an example of how talent will always trump doing the right thing with regards to employing athletes.  The NFL might care about women but they prove time and time again they might not.

It’s sad they won’t actually be hurt financially by this but will be business as usual.  There’s a whole topic worth of items that make sports leagues gross but the majority of the world simply doesn’t care.  I have no moral high ground here.  I have little doubt the NFL will be on in my house this year
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 18, 2022, 11:58:54 AM
I thought so.

The whole thing is gross.  I want to come down on the NFL but I’m not sure what other recourse they have other than to blackball Watson.  That was off the table once Cleveland gave him that crazy deal. 

He’s a predator and an example of how talent will always trump doing the right thing with regards to employing athletes.  The NFL might care about women but they prove time and time again they might not.

It’s sad they won’t actually be hurt financially by this but will be business as usual.  There’s a whole topic worth of items that make sports leagues gross but the majority of the world simply doesn’t care.  I have no moral high ground here.  I have little doubt the NFL will be on in my house this year


Yep.

I also don't understand what makes the NFL think having the owners issue statements like this is a good idea.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1560301469030653954?s=20&t=l2QgKTOm83f9SWMp65_-QQ

Everyone knows they aren't going to invest significant time or money into that. Why even say something that ridiculous?
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 18, 2022, 12:11:45 PM
I thought so.

The whole thing is gross.  I want to come down on the NFL but I’m not sure what other recourse they have other than to blackball Watson.  That was off the table once Cleveland gave him that crazy deal. 

He’s a predator and an example of how talent will always trump doing the right thing with regards to employing athletes.  The NFL might care about women but they prove time and time again they might not.

It’s sad they won’t actually be hurt financially by this but will be business as usual.  There’s a whole topic worth of items that make sports leagues gross but the majority of the world simply doesn’t care.  I have no moral high ground here.  I have little doubt the NFL will be on in my house this year

This is dead on.  Its disappointing but its also straight in line with the precedent that the NFL has set forever.  And also why I find it hard to gin up the same level of negative feelings and outrage for the LIV Tour as some do.  Not that I embrace it, I just kind of shrug.  I think...

1) sportwashing is overblown, IMO,  because I find it hard to believe that people would ever have their feelings significantly changed about a country's reputation cause they owned a soccer club or a golf tour.

2) Professional sports is overrun with unsavory activity and detestable characters, whether athletes, governing bodies, or ownership.  And its not a uniquely American thing.  Look at European soccer.  Look at scandals and ownership in top level cricket.  The list goes on and on.  Love of sport, and the money that comes with it, trumps all.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2022, 12:20:39 PM
This is dead on.  Its disappointing but its also straight in line with the precedent that the NFL has set forever.  And also why I find it hard to gin up the same level of negative feelings and outrage for the LIV Tour as some do.  Not that I embrace it, I just kind of shrug.  I think...

1) sportwashing is overblown, IMO,  because I find it hard to believe that people would ever have their feelings significantly changed about a country's reputation cause they owned a soccer club or a golf tour.

2) Professional sports is overrun with unsavory activity and detestable characters, whether athletes, governing bodies, or ownership.  And its not a uniquely American thing.  Look at European soccer.  Look at scandals and ownership in top level cricket.  The list goes on and on.  Love of sport, and the money that comes with it, trumps all.

There’s probably a correlation between where we are as a society (local, nationally, worldly) based on fan behavior but that’s above my pay grade
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 18, 2022, 12:50:43 PM

Yep.

I also don't understand what makes the NFL think having the owners issue statements like this is a good idea.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1560301469030653954?s=20&t=l2QgKTOm83f9SWMp65_-QQ

Everyone knows they aren't going to invest significant time or money into that. Why even say something that ridiculous?

Pretty straight forward.

We are against sexually assaulting women except if it helps us win games and make us more money. But, otherwise, we're with all you little ladies.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 18, 2022, 01:10:22 PM
I'm not sure which ESPN writing you're referring to. In the instance I reference, Rodgers went off in public. Everyone saw the video, which spoke for itself.

The media does eat that stuff up because it's so much juicier than usual QB-speak or coach-speak, but stuff like that is almost always better handled face-to-face and in private.

It is basically a meme that if ESPN publishes a story about Rodgers it will have a negative slant.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 18, 2022, 01:24:35 PM
It is basically a meme that if ESPN publishes a story about Rodgers it will have a negative slant.

Most players - when they want to get some info out in public - talk to one of the 'insiders' at ESPN. Rodgers doesn't.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2022, 01:44:44 PM
Most players - when they want to get some info out in public - talk to one of the 'insiders' at ESPN. Rodgers doesn't.

No, he has his agent leak news to Schefter so he has plausible deniability.

He also sat down and talked at length to Kevin Van Valkenburg before the playoffs last year in a piece done for ESPN
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on August 18, 2022, 01:49:09 PM
No, he has his agent leak news to Schefter so he has plausible deniability.

He also sat down and talked at length to Kevin Van Valkenburg before the playoffs last year in a piece done for ESPN

He just goes on Pat Macafee and says whatever he wants.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 18, 2022, 02:11:52 PM
He just goes on Pat Macafee and says whatever he wants.

That, too, but the negotiating stuff comes from the agent
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 19, 2022, 08:21:04 AM
Welp, that garbage from Watson might have been the worst "apology" ever. What a douchenozzle.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on August 19, 2022, 09:21:24 AM
Pretty straight forward.

We are against sexually assaulting women except if it helps us win games and make us more money. But, otherwise, we're with all you little ladies.

Same thing can be said for everything.

"We are against PEDs, except when a major athlete with huge sponsor contracts pops and the sponsors tell us we are not allowed to report the positive test and take action."
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 19, 2022, 09:27:49 AM
This was an entertaining read - top 10 saddest QB competitions.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/8/18/23307940/ranking-nfl-quarterback-battles-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-drew-lock-geno-smith-panthers-seahawks
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 19, 2022, 10:32:09 AM
This was an entertaining read - top 10 saddest QB competitions.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/8/18/23307940/ranking-nfl-quarterback-battles-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-drew-lock-geno-smith-panthers-seahawks

That was fun ... and notable to me in that 3 of the 10 dreadful battles belonged to the Panthers, all in the last 20 years.

I actually moved to Charlotte just before the 2010 season and decided I'd root for the team. I somehow found it in me to watch every effen Jimmy Clausen start. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment, but by Week 10 I was all-in on the Tank For Cam train.

That this writer thinks this season's Mayfield-Darnold situation will actually be worse than that -- "I’ve got a feeling this is going to be an all-timer" -- ugh ... but I really don't see how it could possibly be true.

Ever the optimist, I'm telling myself that Mayfield will play as well as he did when he was healthy in 2020, and that will give the Panthers a chance to vastly exceed expectations. But sure ... he could suck, get benched, Darnold could be even worse, and I'll have another 5-win season to "celebrate."
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 19, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
That was fun ... and notable to me in that 3 of the 10 dreadful battles belonged to the Panthers, all in the last 20 years.

I actually moved to Charlotte just before the 2010 season and decided I'd root for the team. I somehow found it in me to watch every effen Jimmy Clausen start. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment, but by Week 10 I was all-in on the Tank For Cam train.

That this writer thinks this season's Mayfield-Darnold situation will actually be worse than that -- "I’ve got a feeling this is going to be an all-timer" -- ugh ... but I really don't see how it could possibly be true.

Ever the optimist, I'm telling myself that Mayfield will play as well as he did when he was healthy in 2020, and that will give the Panthers a chance to vastly exceed expectations. But sure ... he could suck, get benched, Darnold could be even worse, and I'll have another 5-win season to "celebrate."

Not having the ‘87 Packers listed is a slap in the face of terrible QB play
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 19, 2022, 10:55:31 AM
This is dead on.  Its disappointing but its also straight in line with the precedent that the NFL has set forever.  And also why I find it hard to gin up the same level of negative feelings and outrage for the LIV Tour as some do.  Not that I embrace it, I just kind of shrug.  I think...

1) sportwashing is overblown, IMO,  because I find it hard to believe that people would ever have their feelings significantly changed about a country's reputation cause they owned a soccer club or a golf tour.

2) Professional sports is overrun with unsavory activity and detestable characters, whether athletes, governing bodies, or ownership.  And its not a uniquely American thing.  Look at European soccer.  Look at scandals and ownership in top level cricket.  The list goes on and on.  Love of sport, and the money that comes with it, trumps all.

I knew a lot of people who said they'd never watch the NFL again after Michael Vick came back. A few weeks later, I'm at a bar watching games with them. Plenty of people claim to have boycotted due to Kaepernick, and yet ratings continue to climb. Now, the 1994 baseball strike, that turned people off for a long time.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 19, 2022, 11:05:40 AM
I knew a lot of people who said they'd never watch the NFL again after Michael Vick came back. A few weeks later, I'm at a bar watching games with them. Plenty of people claim to have boycotted due to Kaepernick, and yet ratings continue to climb. Now, the 1994 baseball strike, that turned people off for a long time.

“Greed” turns off sports fans more than criminal activity
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 19, 2022, 11:12:56 AM
“Greed” turns off sports fans more than criminal activity

definitely.  People could have accepted a strike, but not cancelation of the World Series, which even war couldn't cancel.

My dad didn't watch baseball for 12 years after that. It wasn't until the Tigers made the 2006 ALCS against the Yankees that he was drawn back in.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 19, 2022, 11:18:53 AM
This was an entertaining read - top 10 saddest QB competitions.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/8/18/23307940/ranking-nfl-quarterback-battles-baker-mayfield-sam-darnold-drew-lock-geno-smith-panthers-seahawks

Notable miss:

2006 Raiders - Andrew Walter vs Aaron Brooks vs Marques Tuiasosopo
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 19, 2022, 11:20:08 AM
definitely.  People could have accepted a strike, but not cancelation of the World Series, which even war couldn't cancel.

My dad didn't watch baseball for 12 years after that. It wasn't until the Tigers made the 2006 ALCS against the Yankees that he was drawn back in.

The World Series ratings in 1995 were higher than in 1993.  They were in decline before 1994, and after a blip up, declined after 1995.  World Series ratings aren't the sole indicator of baseball's popularity.  Per game attendance took about a decade to recover after that, but 1995 attendance was still better than you saw in the mid to late 1980s.

So IDK. I think by and large baseball would be in the same place today without the 1994 strike.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 19, 2022, 11:30:23 AM
The World Series ratings in 1995 were higher than in 1993.  They were in decline before 1994, and after a blip up, declined after 1995.  World Series ratings aren't the sole indicator of baseball's popularity.  Per game attendance took about a decade to recover after that, but 1995 attendance was still better than you saw in the mid to late 1980s.

So IDK. I think by and large baseball would be in the same place today without the 1994 strike.

I think that’s true.  I do believe there were more actual people quitting baseball than quit the NFL, however.  Whether that number is significant, I don’t know. 

‘95 did have the Indians component to the World Series and I would guess having it back caught more eyeballs.

The rise in attendance also probably had to do with the new stadiums opening across baseball.  Cleveland had a strong attendance run in that time frame.  Expanded playoffs almost certainly made an attendance impact as well as more teams were in contention
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 19, 2022, 12:08:32 PM
I knew a lot of people who said they'd never watch the NFL again after Michael Vick came back. A few weeks later, I'm at a bar watching games with them. Plenty of people claim to have boycotted due to Kaepernick, and yet ratings continue to climb. Now, the 1994 baseball strike, that turned people off for a long time.
Not sure where ratings are at now for the NFL and it's been a few years since the Kap and related protests, but the NFL took a material hit to ratings (10%-15%) for a couple of years. I never saw that it was a direct correlation from Kap to lower ratings, but it happened at the same time. I dare say the ratings hit was a motivation for owners to not give Kap another shot.

People have short/selective memories for good products or people. Nike and Apple can pay crap wages in poor conditions overseas and we all still gobble up the products. (just two of many companies)
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 19, 2022, 01:10:06 PM
I knew a lot of people who said they'd never watch the NFL again after Michael Vick came back. A few weeks later, I'm at a bar watching games with them. Plenty of people claim to have boycotted due to Kaepernick, and yet ratings continue to climb. Now, the 1994 baseball strike, that turned people off for a long time.

There is no comparison between Vick and Watson. Vick admitted his guilt, did his time, and apologized.

Watson has denied his guilt. Watson served no time for his crimes - in fact, he denies he committed any crime. Watson has refused to apologize.
The League and the Browns are so positive that Watson is a sexual predator and remains a threat to society that he is banned from hiring a masseuse.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 19, 2022, 04:22:24 PM
I know most people don't, but I find value in the preseason. Small sample size for sure, but I saw absolutely nothing from Seattle last night. Bad body language, penalties, lack of talent, odd coaching. They're sitting at +750 (FD) for fewest wins, and I'm probably going to take action on it.

I think Houston will be competent, the Jags should be better. The Falcons could give the Seahawks a run (the two teams play each other in week 3).

I'll probably write up a post next week on stuff I like for this coming year, but this one really stands out to me.
Title: Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 19, 2022, 05:29:49 PM
I know most people don't, but I find value in the preseason. Small sample size for sure, but I saw absolutely nothing from Seattle last night. Bad body language, penalties, lack of talent, odd coaching. They're sitting at +750 (FD) for fewest wins, and I'm probably going to take action on it.

I think Houston will be competent, the Jags should be better. The Falcons could give the Seahawks a run (the two teams play each other in week 3).

I'll probably write up a post next week on stuff I like for this coming year, but this one really stands out to me.

It'll be between them and the Bears.