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MU82

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 10, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
ALWAYS go for 2 in the 4th quarter when a TD puts you up 7. Every. Single. Time.

Really? Take the gamble to go up 9 instead of taking the 8, which would force the opponent to not only score a TD but also a 2-pt conversion? That's what analytics says? Seems really weird to me, but OK ... I learned something.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 10, 2022, 10:43:04 PM
Adams should be suspended a game for pushing that audio guy postgame. Pretty classless and terrible.

The guy he shoulda shoved was Renfro, who threw a cross-body block on Adams on the Raiders' final play. I'm not sure I've ever seen that before. Hell, Draymond woulda punched Renfro in the face. (And Al might have, too.)
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

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"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: MU82 on October 10, 2022, 10:49:44 PM
Really? Take the gamble to go up 9 instead of taking the 8, which would force the opponent to not only score a TD but also a 2-pt conversion? That's what analytics says? Seems really weird to me, but OK ... I learned something.

Yes, the 2 is high percentage and in most cases in the 4th if you get it, effectively ends the game(or gives you faaaaaaaar better odds then up 8).

If you kick the extra point, that is still missable. And even with a make the other team just needs a good 2 pt play call to tie.

Miss the 2 pt and they still have to make the non gimme extra point. And worst case youre tied looking at OT.

So basically play to win and even if you miss youre still up a TD.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

WhiteTrash

Quote from: RJax55 on October 10, 2022, 05:14:01 PM
Huh? Ohio State won the national championship exactly 20 years ago.

The 2002 Buckeyes.
My bad. 30 years should have been the time frame. 3 championships in about 4 years to OSU's 2 in 20 years.

OSU is in a much better place and has been in the past 20 years, no doubt. My point was in the 90's Nebraska was king of college football. Everyone, including Bama, wanted to be Nebraska.

Pakuni

Quote from: MU82 on October 10, 2022, 10:04:29 PM
I wouldn't have gone for 2 if I were McDaniels, but at least I understand why he did.

But why the hell did Reid go for 2 on the previous possession by the Chiefs?

Though it didn't work out, going for two was the right move by the Raiders.
Playing for OT against the Chiefs on the road doesn't make a lot of sense when picking up a few yards can put you in position to win in regulation.
Even if you don't get it, with all your timeouts plus the 2-minute warning, you get the ball back with time if your defense holds. And if your defense doesn't hold, you're losing anyhow.

MU82

Thanks for your explainers on 2-point tries, PGs and Pak.

Meanwhile ...

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Jockey


cheebs09

Quote from: Jockey on October 11, 2022, 08:53:07 AM
Classy move by Devonte.

Did he do something other than the apology? Feels like that's sort of the bare minimum in the situation.

The Sultan

He apologized, but kinda made excuses for doing something that was pretty bad.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: cheebs09 on October 11, 2022, 09:23:54 AM
Did he do something other than the apology? Feels like that's sort of the bare minimum in the situation.

He cut off his arms and begged football fans to forgive him
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Yeah as apologies go, that one was pretty weak. "I bumped into him....kind of pushed him"
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Jockey

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 11, 2022, 09:27:16 AM
He apologized, but kinda made excuses for doing something that was pretty bad.

Pretty weak apology. I understand his frustration but any of us that have played competitive sports has felt it at some time and we didn't lash out.

Maybe he should have apologized for bobbling a possible game deciding catch in the end zone instead.

Uncle Rico

Davante shouldn't apologize at all.  Anyone that had to play with Aaron Rodgers for nearly a decade probably has a lot of PTSD
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MU82

Quote from: Jockey on October 11, 2022, 11:03:19 AM
Pretty weak apology. I understand his frustration but any of us that have played competitive sports has felt it at some time and we didn't lash out.

Maybe he should have apologized for bobbling a possible game deciding catch in the end zone instead.

I didn't see much of the game. He bobbled a potential TD pass earlier in the game in addition to the bobbled pass on the sideline in the final minute that, had he caught it, would have set up the winning FG?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

forgetful

Quote from: Jockey on October 11, 2022, 11:03:19 AM
Pretty weak apology. I understand his frustration but any of us that have played competitive sports has felt it at some time and we didn't lash out.

Maybe he should have apologized for bobbling a possible game deciding catch in the end zone instead.

Really bad look for Davante, both the actual push and the non-apology.

Probably deserves a 1-game suspension, but I doubt he will get it.

Wonder if he has any buyers remorse going to the Raiders. Targeted 54 times this year, but only 29 receptions.

The Sultan

Quote from: forgetful on October 11, 2022, 01:05:12 PM
Really bad look for Davante, both the actual push and the non-apology.

Probably deserves a 1-game suspension, but I doubt he will get it.

Wonder if he has any buyers remorse going to the Raiders. Targeted 54 times this year, but only 29 receptions.


I don't know about buyer's remorse. His numbers will be down, but they aren't awful. I just think he wanted out of Green Bay (I don't think Rodgers and him were particularly close and he knew Rodgers had at best one or two years left), got to go play with his friend (Carr) and got a big contract extension out of it.

FWIW, I have heard nothing but positives about Adams off the field. This action seems like a pretty out-of-character move.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 11, 2022, 01:18:30 PM

I don't know about buyer's remorse. His numbers will be down, but they aren't awful. I just think he wanted out of Green Bay (I don't think Rodgers and him were particularly close and he knew Rodgers had at best one or two years left), got to go play with his friend (Carr) and got a big contract extension out of it.

FWIW, I have heard nothing but positives about Adams off the field. This action seems like a pretty out-of-character move.

Having played with Rodgers for nearly a decade, not many knew him better.  The idea he has remorse leaving a "great situation" seems to be mostly wishful thinking.  He got paid.  He got to play with a friend.  He's playing closer to home.  Maybe the grass isn't greener but maybe the place he left isn't that green either
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JWags85

Update, the cameraman has filed assault charges in KC court against Adams and is claiming whiplash and a concussion.  CASH GRAB CITTTTAAAAYYYY

I salute his bravery and hope he is able to somehow find a reasonable quality of life after surviving such a heinous attack

The Sultan

Quote from: JWags85 on October 12, 2022, 11:22:53 AM
Update, the cameraman has filed assault charges in KC court against Adams and is claiming whiplash and a concussion.  CASH GRAB CITTTTAAAAYYYY

I salute his bravery and hope he is able to somehow find a reasonable quality of life after surviving such a heinous attack


Well, if he didn't assault him, this wouldn't be an issue.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 12, 2022, 11:41:49 AM

Well, if he didn't assault him, this wouldn't be an issue.
Agreed

Also agree it is a cash grab.

Welcome to America, everyone is a victim.

JWags85

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 12, 2022, 11:53:58 AM
Agreed

Also agree it is a cash grab.

Welcome to America, everyone is a victim.

This is my point.  Adams is in the wrong.  That's not in question, not excusing his behavior. 

But the exaggeration of injuries and increasing in severity of everything when the accused has money is pathetic.  Its like a minor fender bender in a parking lot suddenly has one driver in a neck brace because he was back into by someone in a luxury car.

MU82

Quote from: JWags85 on October 12, 2022, 12:04:30 PM
This is my point.  Adams is in the wrong.  That's not in question, not excusing his behavior. 

But the exaggeration of injuries and increasing in severity of everything when the accused has money is pathetic.  Its like a minor fender bender in a parking lot suddenly has one driver in a neck brace because he was back into by someone in a luxury car.

Well, not a single one of us here knows what kind of injuries the guy suffered, or if he sustained any injuries at all, so we don't know if there was an "exaggeration" of them or not.

Given the tiny bit of evidence we have, the only thing we know is that, as you said, Adams was in the wrong.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

Yeah, butt da kamera dude kut rite in front of 'im. Know signal, know horn, know nothin', hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Uncle Rico

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 12, 2022, 12:26:35 PM
Yeah, butt da kamera dude kut rite in front of 'im. Know signal, know horn, know nothin', hey?

Just like a driver in SE Wisconsin!
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ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: JWags85 on October 12, 2022, 12:04:30 PM
This is my point.  Adams is in the wrong.  That's not in question, not excusing his behavior. 

But the exaggeration of injuries and increasing in severity of everything when the accused has money is pathetic.  Its like a minor fender bender in a parking lot suddenly has one driver in a neck brace because he was back into by someone in a luxury car.

Just like the Brady bunch.

MU82

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on October 12, 2022, 07:41:35 PM
Just like the Brady bunch.

That's funny because I had the exact same thought when I first read Wags' post.
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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