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Pakuni

No surprise (and probably a year too late), but Kliff has been kanned.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2023, 11:06:46 AM
Stop giving intelligent, well thought out, nuanced takes.

(I completely agree on your assessment of Young).

The real interesting thing, obviously hypothetical, is if Williams or Maye were in this year's draft. If I'm the Bears, any trade I make, I want someone's #1 next year as part of the trade. What would be of interest to me is if the Bears traded with the Colts at 4, would the Bears entertain trading back again, for a team looking at Stroud or Levis at 4.

I think they should and will build around Fields. Considering he progressed significantly, with a garbage offense around him, it's exciting to see what he can do in year 3 (usually the biggest year in a QB's development). That said, if he doesn't continue to progress, or suffers a catastrophic injury, if you have two or three first round picks in 2024 with Williams and Maye available, that's a good position to be in.

I'm hoping the Bears can trade back, stay within the top 5, plus get a 2023 2nd and a 2024 1st, at minimum.  We'll see if that's way too optimistic on my part. 

muwarrior69

Never expected to see my Giants in the playoffs. Have a chance to beat the Vikings.

Babybluejeans

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 09, 2023, 02:18:34 PM
Never expected to see my Giants in the playoffs. Have a chance to beat the Vikings.

I think people will be a little too quick to call B.S. on the Vikings in this game. Vikings are not winning the NFC and I think will all but certainly get bounced next weekend. BUT. I do think they'll take it to the Giants. Give me MN -3 all day.

Pakuni

Quote from: Babybluejeans on January 09, 2023, 02:45:26 PM
I think people will be a little too quick to call B.S. on the Vikings in this game. Vikings are not winning the NFC and I think will all but certainly get bounced next weekend. BUT. I do think they'll take it to the Giants. Give me MN -3 all day.

It'll be dark outside by the time the second half rolls around.
Betting on Kirk After Dark is a dangerous game.

JWags85

Quote from: Pakuni on January 09, 2023, 02:47:59 PM
It'll be dark outside by the time the second half rolls around.
Betting on Kirk After Dark is a dangerous game.

FTFY

jesmu84

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 09, 2023, 01:10:13 PM
I'm hoping the Bears can trade back, stay within the top 5, plus get a 2023 2nd and a 2024 1st, at minimum.  We'll see if that's way too optimistic on my part.

I think ideal would be move back within top 4/5 then move back again around 12-15

JWags85

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 09, 2023, 03:18:18 PM
I think ideal would be move back within top 4/5 then move back again around 12-15

Ehh, depends.  If they can move back to 5 and still get Will Anderson or Jalen Carter, then you snap them up.  Adding a first rounder in 2024 plus multiple other picks and still getting a defensive talent like that would be a coup.

Jockey

Quote from: JWags85 on January 09, 2023, 03:28:51 PM
Ehh, depends.  If they can move back to 5 and still get Will Anderson or Jalen Carter, then you snap them up.  Adding a first rounder in 2024 plus multiple other picks and still getting a defensive talent like that would be a coup.

I really think Young and Levis go 1-2. If the 3 or 4 team in the draft needs a QB (very likely), Carter or Anderson will be there at #5.

jesmu84

Quote from: JWags85 on January 09, 2023, 03:28:51 PM
Ehh, depends.  If they can move back to 5 and still get Will Anderson or Jalen Carter, then you snap them up.  Adding a first rounder in 2024 plus multiple other picks and still getting a defensive talent like that would be a coup.

Ya I don't hate that.

I just wonder if the team has enough holes to value more picks. Maybe get a haul for #1 before the draft and then potentially another haul for 4/5 if another team really wants Carter/Anderson

At least that's how I do it in Madden  ;D

TAMU, Knower of Ball

https://twitter.com/CFCBears/status/1612198207190089728

I post this as someone who completely understands and endorses the value of getting higher draft picks. Still made me chuckle
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Uncle Rico

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35393227/how-bills-bengals-led-way-damar-hamlin-collapsed

Not surprised the teams were the catalyst for the cancellation.  Some pointed comments about Troy Vincent here
Guster is for Lovers

WhiteTrash

Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 09, 2023, 04:02:18 PM
https://twitter.com/CFCBears/status/1612198207190089728

I post this as someone who completely understands and endorses the value of getting higher draft picks. Still made me chuckle
This Bears fan thought that was super funny. Thanks for posting.

When you dedicate to the tank and rebuild process, this is the best case scenario.

MU82

From The Athletic's "The Pulse" email newsletter:

The Patriots, despite having a chance at the playoffs in the season's final week, had a bad year. Tom Brady is long gone. Trusted assistants are, too. It's time to ask: Is this Bill Belichick's undoing?

Chad Graff has a great story that goes inside the Pats' collapse. A couple key takeaways:

When Josh McDaniels left his offensive coordinator post to take the Raiders' job, Belichick decided to hire Matt Patricia...who'd been the Patriots defensive coordinator from 2012-17. Does it surprise you to learn the offense wasn't good this year?

The brain drain — and Belichick's stubbornness — made for misery. Mac Jones regressed, to the point where Bailey Zappe, the fourth-round pick, looked better than Jones, the intended franchise QB.

Belichick, 70, is 25-25 in his last 50 regular-season games. He plans to return next year, but the Patriots' outlook has never been murkier.

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Even in Brady's final year there in 2019 they looked done when losing to Tennessee in the playoffs. Continuing to rely on lifetime assistants, including two of his children, isn't really working. I know this is hard to do, but if I were Kraft I would suggest that he make this upcoming year his last and then just start over.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

JWags85

Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 09, 2023, 04:02:18 PM
https://twitter.com/CFCBears/status/1612198207190089728

I post this as someone who completely understands and endorses the value of getting higher draft picks. Still made me chuckle

That meme is always hilarious to me.  And it works well here, I'm all for it.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2023, 09:34:38 AM
Even in Brady's final year there in 2019 they looked done when losing to Tennessee in the playoffs. Continuing to rely on lifetime assistants, including two of his children, isn't really working. I know this is hard to do, but if I were Kraft I would suggest that he make this upcoming year his last and then just start over.

Yep.  People keep rushing to the natural Brady comparisons without focusing on the personnel disaster in the coaches room which is what has truly been his undoing.  Its amusing that someone who was always so ruthless about roster turnover and changes when a player, even a good one, didn't fit the plan for the next year has completely ignored that with his coaching staff to extreme detriment.

Dish

Good for Roquan getting paid. I wouldn't have given a LB that much guaranteed, but he bet on himself and got the bag and then some.

JWags85

Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2023, 12:30:10 PM
Good for Roquan getting paid. I wouldn't have given a LB that much guaranteed, but he bet on himself and got the bag and then some.

Agreed. I know multiple people with first hand relationships/extended interactions with him (none of whom are Bears fans) that readily testify to him being a great guy, in addition to a promising young talent.  Happy that got past some of his personal issues and earned a well deserved pay day from a great organization.

Pakuni

More smoke about Sean McVay leaving the Rams (for TV?).

@JFowlerESPN
#Rams coach Sean McVay, whose future is in limbo, has permitted his coaching staff to search for other jobs without resistance, per sources. McVay said in a staff meeting that he doesn't know what he will do next year and won't block those who want to explore opportunities

JWags85

Quote from: Pakuni on January 10, 2023, 02:37:13 PM
More smoke about Sean McVay leaving the Rams (for TV?).

@JFowlerESPN
#Rams coach Sean McVay, whose future is in limbo, has permitted his coaching staff to search for other jobs without resistance, per sources. McVay said in a staff meeting that he doesn't know what he will do next year and won't block those who want to explore opportunities

Yea, he's gone.  He doesn't want to be part of a massive extended rebuild.  I see him pulling a Gruden and going to TV and relaxing for a couple years till a perfect scenario surfaces, now that he has his SB cache.

RJax55

Quote from: JWags85 on January 10, 2023, 03:05:59 PM
Yea, he's gone.  He doesn't want to be part of a massive extended rebuild.  I see him pulling a Gruden and going to TV and relaxing for a couple years till a perfect scenario surfaces, now that he has his SB cache.

Agree. There's no downside for him. His value will only increase in the booth.

GB Warrior

Quote from: MU82 on January 10, 2023, 09:28:49 AM
From The Athletic's "The Pulse" email newsletter:

The Patriots, despite having a chance at the playoffs in the season's final week, had a bad year. Tom Brady is long gone. Trusted assistants are, too. It's time to ask: Is this Bill Belichick's undoing?

Chad Graff has a great story that goes inside the Pats' collapse. A couple key takeaways:

When Josh McDaniels left his offensive coordinator post to take the Raiders' job, Belichick decided to hire Matt Patricia...who'd been the Patriots defensive coordinator from 2012-17. Does it surprise you to learn the offense wasn't good this year?

The brain drain — and Belichick's stubbornness — made for misery. Mac Jones regressed, to the point where Bailey Zappe, the fourth-round pick, looked better than Jones, the intended franchise QB.

Belichick, 70, is 25-25 in his last 50 regular-season games. He plans to return next year, but the Patriots' outlook has never been murkier.

The nepotism or adjacent on the staff has finally caught up with them now that they don't have the talent, specifically on the offense. They need some ingenuity and outside perspective.

Their defense is still very good, though, so they can still be dangerous with slightly better offensive talent and significantly better coaching there.

The problem they will run into is they don't have the QB that will significantly raise their ceiling.

The Sultan

Looks like Kevin Warren is leaving the Big Ten to join the Bears. I think this is a move that both the B10 and the Bears are happy about. (I might be exaggerating the conference's joy, but he definitely had a rough start to his tenure.)
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Dish

NFL selecting Atlanta as the neutral site AFC championship site is lame (if the game needs to be played at a neutral site).

MUBurrow

Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 12, 2023, 11:07:54 AM
NFL selecting Atlanta as the neutral site AFC championship site is lame (if the game needs to be played at a neutral site).

Shoulda been Nashville.  Roughly equidistant, outside but moderately temperate, give the folks a party.

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