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Billy Hoyle

So, who trades for Mac Jones?
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Heckuva response by the Bears and Fields
Guster is for Lovers

Dish

This first half has been arguably the most interesting half of primetime football all year.

Jockey

Not one of Belichick's finest efforts tonite.

MU82

Quote from: forgetful on October 24, 2022, 06:13:40 PM
Some interesting comparisons with Brady and Rodgers highlight why they may be having problems this year.

They are 1 and 2 in quickest to throw, which to a large part is because neither is really capable of getting out of the pocket on roll outs.

Rodgers is number 1, and Brady is also fairly high up on shortest air yards per completion. Which means they are not throwing the ball particularly far downfield on completions.

Normally, that shorter passes should lead to a higher on target %. But both Rodgers and Brady are dead middle of the road in terms of accuracy (on target %).

So, they are making short throws, aren't very accurate, and easy to pressure as they can't scramble. That makes it tough to win games.

Rodgers always was good moving in and around the pocket, and he could scramble downfield effectively if things broke down.

I have seen very little of the Packers this season. Does he no longer move well?
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"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Dish

Just an ass whipping tonight.

MU82

Good work by the Bears.

Also, maybe -- like Brady and Rodgers -- Belichick has lost it!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MuggsyB

Is it time to Bear down?  Best performance by the Bears in like a decade.  🐻

Dish

That was something else. No one saw that coming.

I haven't seen the Bears dominate like that in a long, long time. To do it against the Pats in Foxboro was really impressive. They're suddenly in the playoff hunt in a terrible NFC.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 24, 2022, 10:15:16 PM
That was something else. No one saw that coming.

I haven't seen the Bears dominate like that in a long, long time. To do it against the Pats in Foxboro was really impressive. They're suddenly in the playoff hunt in a terrible NFC.

Very impressive D and run game. O line was stellar. Smacked the Pats in the mouth tonight.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

JWags85

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 24, 2022, 10:15:16 PM
That was something else. No one saw that coming.

I haven't seen the Bears dominate like that in a long, long time. To do it against the Pats in Foxboro was really impressive. They're suddenly in the playoff hunt in a terrible NFC.

I thought this would be a pretty clean under.  Bears TT was like 14.5 which seemed totally fair given how bad it had been and how stingy the Pats D had been, baffling how well they played.  It was really fun to watch, which I've not said about the Bears lately.

My only gripe was the last TD drive.  You're firmly in control, Fields has played pretty well, they just had him hand it off repeatedly instead of trying to get him reps or in rhythm short throws.  Missed opportunity IMO.  The throw he had to Herbert for the TD was really damn good.

MU82

The Athletic's power rankings has San Fran at #10.

Parity!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on October 25, 2022, 09:01:22 AM
The Athletic's power rankings has San Fran at #10.

Parity!

Parity sucks
Guster is for Lovers

MUBurrow

Quote from: Jockey on October 24, 2022, 07:42:49 PM
Yeah, it all seems to be counterintuitive. A journeyman FA is not the way to build a strong team. You have to develop a QBS.

Totally agree.  And the veterans getting passed around to start aren't cheap! Bringing in a starter you didn't develop is crazy expensive even to be middle of the road.  Wentz, Darnold, Ryan all have cap hits of over $18.5 million.

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 25, 2022, 09:22:38 AM
Parity sucks

All things being equal, I agree. At the end of the day.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

JWags85

Quote from: MUBurrow on October 25, 2022, 10:03:44 AM
Totally agree.  And the veterans getting passed around to start aren't cheap! Bringing in a starter you didn't develop is crazy expensive even to be middle of the road.  Wentz, Darnold, Ryan all have cap hits of over $18.5 million.

I think it depends.  Wentz absolutely stinks, but he wasn't terrible in Indy and is not yet 30, so I sort of get it.  Ryan on the other hand, that was baffling.  He was steadily declining in Atlanta.

MU82

Quote from: MUBurrow on October 25, 2022, 10:03:44 AM
Totally agree.  And the veterans getting passed around to start aren't cheap! Bringing in a starter you didn't develop is crazy expensive even to be middle of the road.  Wentz, Darnold, Ryan all have cap hits of over $18.5 million.

Who is this "Darnold" guy you mentioned. Never heard of him!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MU82

Interesting Washington Post article on how difficult it is for a Black interim coach in the NFL to get promoted to the actual coaching job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/interactive/2022/interim-black-nfl-coaches/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F383921d%2F635958f8f3d9003c581b7aaf%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F27%2F72%2F635958f8f3d9003c581b7aaf&wp_cu=b1005792a416de1fbe1f17e5cf366b7d%7CB1FF71CA724A36FAE0530100007F88D6

If an interim job is indeed an audition for a full-time one, Black coaches are held to a higher standard.

Typically inheriting losing teams midseason, interim coaches rarely perform well, amassing a combined winning percentage of .347 since 1990.

For White coaches, The Post found, performing this poorly appears to have little impact on their ability to turn their interim experience into a full-time job: Ten of 32 White interims who replaced full-time coaches midseason were promoted to the permanent job, with a combined winning percentage of just .361.

For Black coaches, though, the bar is higher. Just three of 14 Black interim coaches, not including Wilks this season, have been retained on a permanent basis — and all three led their struggling teams to records of .500 or better.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Pakuni

#1219
Bears trading Robert Quinn to the Eagles.
Update: 4th round pick coming back

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on October 26, 2022, 03:00:07 PM
Bears trading Robert Quinn to the Eagles.
Update: 4th round pick coming back
A decent return for a guy with 6 tackles and 1 sack.

Dish

With the Quinn trade, the Bears will now be $135 million below the cap for 2023 (that's at this year's cap number, if the cap goes up, obviously so will this number). Still have to figure out what to do with Roquan, and he'd obviously take up space here. Have to think if things don't work out in Indy this offseason (he'll most likely be tagged), Quenton Nelson would be high on the Bears wishlist this offseason.

Pakuni

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 26, 2022, 03:28:18 PM
With the Quinn trade, the Bears will now be $135 million below the cap for 2023 (that's at this year's cap number, if the cap goes up, obviously so will this number). Still have to figure out what to do with Roquan, and he'd obviously take up space here. Have to think if things don't work out in Indy this offseason (he'll most likely be tagged), Quenton Nelson would be high on the Bears wishlist this offseason.

Nelson signed a four-year extension in September.
As a Bears guy, be grateful. No guard is worth $20 million a year.
Assuming Lamar stays in Baltimore, next year's FA class is seriously lacking in star power.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 26, 2022, 03:28:18 PM
With the Quinn trade, the Bears will now be $135 million below the cap for 2023 (that's at this year's cap number, if the cap goes up, obviously so will this number). Still have to figure out what to do with Roquan, and he'd obviously take up space here. Have to think if things don't work out in Indy this offseason (he'll most likely be tagged), Quenton Nelson would be high on the Bears wishlist this offseason.
As a Bears fan, them having that much money makes me nervous. Hope the new guys are smarter than the old.

Dish

Quote from: Pakuni on October 26, 2022, 03:34:52 PM
Nelson signed a four-year extension in September.
As a Bears guy, be grateful. No guard is worth $20 million a year.
Assuming Lamar stays in Baltimore, next year's FA class is seriously lacking in star power.

Ahh, he did, that's my bad. I was thinking more of both the fit (Eberflus being from Indy) and the need, but yes, your point is certainly valid.

I do wonder if they'll end up "buying" draft picks by taking on a bad contract or two.

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