2022-2023 NFL Season

[The Sultan]

It helps to have a QB who WRs want to play for, instead of one who just rips the players in the media.

Many of the free agent WRs are in part recruited by the QB. Rodgers is kind of known as a malcontent, and odd guy that isn't particularly easy to work with, but who thinks his crap don't stink.

Davante did not want to stay in Green Bay.

[forgetful]

Davante did not want to stay in Green Bay.

Yes, he wanted out. Not sure if you are agreeing and listing him as an example, or just listing something not material to the post.

Other QBs are very active and successful in helping recruit free agent WRs to the team. Rodgers is kind of well known as a malcontent, and a difficult person.

[The Sultan]

Yes, he wanted out. Not sure if you are agreeing and listing him as an example, or just listing something not material to the post.

Other QBs are very active and successful in helping recruit free agent WRs to the team. Rodgers is kind of well known as a malcontent, and a difficult person.

Sorry. I am using him as an example to your point.

[swoopem]

I wonder if the Lions get more wins than last year.  (3)

I'll take the over. They'll beat the bears twice and probably pick up a couple other wins. I'm guessing they end with 5 which may be a good thing since it's a QB heavy draft and I think Will Anderson would be perfect for them

[forgetful]

Sorry. I am using him as an example to your point.

I thought that was what you are doing, but unsure as I've seen others on here argue other things in regards to Adams and can't keep track of who makes what arguments anymore.

Sorry if my response seemed aggressive, have a migraine this evening and probably shouldn't be posting.

[MU82]

I wonder if Brady retires before the season ends.

Brady looked bad today.

He wasn't helped by a couple of drops, including Mike Evans almost impossibly bricking a walk-in TD early in the game. But Brady had all day to throw on most of his dropbacks, and the Panthers were down 2 starting CBs, and yet Brady's reads were often late, and several of his throws were off the mark.

He's been counted out before -- including in the Super Bowl against Atlanta -- and he always has responded.

But he hasn't always been 45. Athletes DO get old eventually. Even Brady.

[Dish]

Falcons are sitting at +350 to win the NFC South.

I know they get trounced and boat raced out of Cincy today, but check out their next 7 games.

CAR
LAC
@CAR
CHI
@WAS
PIT
@NO

Tampa's next 7:

BAL
LAR
SEA
@CLE
NO
@SF
CIN

Atlanta could easily head into Week 16 up two games on a lousy Tampa Bay team.

[The Sultan]

Wonder if Stephen Ross is going to actually care about needing a reason to fire Mike McDaniel at the end of the year so he can hire Sean Payton...

[MU82]

Falcons are sitting at +350 to win the NFC South.

I know they get trounced and boat raced out of Cincy today, but check out their next 7 games.

CAR
LAC
@CAR
CHI
@WAS
PIT
@NO

Tampa's next 7:

BAL
LAR
SEA
@CLE
NO
@SF
CIN

Atlanta could easily head into Week 16 up two games on a lousy Tampa Bay team.

The Panthers' schedule is tougher than Atlanta's, but they play the Falcons 2 of the next 3 games (sandwiched around a loss at Cinci) and could be in first place in mid-November with a 4-0 record against the NFC South (and 0-6 against the rest of the NFL). Which is a perfect illustration of this sh!tty division.

[MUBurrow]

Wonder if Stephen Ross is going to actually care about needing a reason to fire Mike McDaniel at the end of the year so he can hire Sean Payton...

He was reaaaallll close to giving Ross a reason about halfway through the Bengals game...

I generally really like McDaniel, although sometimes his playcalling drives me a little nuts.  I LOVE the design of his offense and think his playsheet is one of the best out there. But he has a tendency to get away from those running schemes that make it great, even when the ground game is effective.  I would have much preferred to see another 4-6 carries for each of Mostert and Edmonds last night and to see Tua well under 30 attempts.

[JWags85]

Wonder if Stephen Ross is going to actually care about needing a reason to fire Mike McDaniel at the end of the year so he can hire Sean Payton...

That would be a fantastically short sighted and dumb idea, so I'm fairly certain Ross will do it

[muwarrior69]

Giants 6-1, who woulda thunk? Wow, down 17-13 in 3rd quarter, go fourth and goal rather that the easy 3 point chip shot and fail; yet still win the game. I wonder if those kind of gambles will continue to pay off in the second half of the season.

[#UnleashSean]

Giants 6-1, who woulda thunk? Wow, down 17-13 in 3rd quarter, go fourth and goal rather that the easy 3 point chip shot and fail; yet still win the game. I wonder if those kind of gambles will continue to pay off in the second half of the season.

Analytics probably say to always go for a touchdown over a field goal when down 4.

[lawdog77]

Colts bench Matty Ice for the season. Which washed up QB will they get next year?

[Uncle Rico]

Colts bench Matty Ice for the season. Which washed up QB will they get next year?

Packers should be on the horn.  And then 12 can live in Indy with Pat McAfee

[Jockey]

Colts bench Matty Ice for the season. Which washed up QB will they get next year?

Lotsa old QBs goin' over the cliff this year. Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, Ryan, Wilson.

I don't know if this has ever happened on such a large scale.

[MU82]

Colts bench Matty Ice for the season. Which washed up QB will they get next year?

He was a bad idea from the get-go. He was toast last season.

[Billy Hoyle]

Colts bench Matty Ice for the season. Which washed up QB will they get next year?

On Sunday, Ehlinger will become the seventh quarterback to start a game for the Colts since Reich became the team's coach in 2018.

On their way to reaching Cleveland Browns level.

[tower912]

There is a dearth of franchise quarterbacks out there.   

[forgetful]

Brady looked bad today.

He wasn't helped by a couple of drops, including Mike Evans almost impossibly bricking a walk-in TD early in the game. But Brady had all day to throw on most of his dropbacks, and the Panthers were down 2 starting CBs, and yet Brady's reads were often late, and several of his throws were off the mark.

He's been counted out before -- including in the Super Bowl against Atlanta -- and he always has responded.

But he hasn't always been 45. Athletes DO get old eventually. Even Brady.

Some interesting comparisons with Brady and Rodgers highlight why they may be having problems this year.

They are 1 and 2 in quickest to throw, which to a large part is because neither is really capable of getting out of the pocket on roll outs.

Rodgers is number 1, and Brady is also fairly high up on shortest air yards per completion. Which means they are not throwing the ball particularly far downfield on completions.

Normally, that shorter passes should lead to a higher on target %. But both Rodgers and Brady are dead middle of the road in terms of accuracy (on target %).

So, they are making short throws, aren't very accurate, and easy to pressure as they can't scramble. That makes it tough to win games.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Some interesting comparisons with Brady and Rodgers highlight why they may be having problems this year.

They are 1 and 2 in quickest to throw, which to a large part is because neither is really capable of getting out of the pocket on roll outs.

Rodgers is number 1, and Brady is also fairly high up on shortest air yards per completion. Which means they are not throwing the ball particularly far downfield on completions.

Normally, that shorter passes should lead to a higher on target %. But both Rodgers and Brady are dead middle of the road in terms of accuracy (on target %).

So, they are making short throws, aren't very accurate, and easy to pressure as they can't scramble. That makes it tough to win games.

Oh, Rodgers has been throwing the ball far downfield, just not remotely in the vicinity of his receivers.


(Which, I know, is what you said..."on completions").

[jesmu84]

There is a dearth of franchise quarterbacks out there.   

Yup.

I think orgs aren't quick enough to move on. And prefer free agent vets to rookies.

They need to keep drafting until you find one. Bears should be drafting minimum 1 per year.

[Jockey]

Yup.

I think orgs aren't quick enough to move on. And prefer free agent vets to rookies.

They need to keep drafting until you find one. Bears should be drafting minimum 1 per year.

Yeah, it all seems to be counterintuitive. A journeyman FA is not the way to build a strong team. You have to develop a QBS.

[MuggsyB]

Nice pick there by Da Bears

[Dish]

After that Zappe TD pass, I texted my brother "here comes the Fields INT drive". Luckily I bet it at +550 too.