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jesmu84

Quote from: JWags85 on January 30, 2023, 10:14:27 PM
I don't agree with that, he's definitely regressed.  His best ability was literal analysis.  Calling out play predictions, tendencies, showing the ability that made him a really good pro, on the fly.  But he was told to scale that back, reign in his enthusiasm and analysis, dumb it down a bit, and he's FAR less good like that and just has become cliched.  It's unfortunate.  Olsen is far more natural at the blend of the two, and he's best in class for me right now.

I agree with every word of this. Couldn't have said it better

The Sultan

Yeah I love Olson. Not sure the pairing with Burkhart is the best but perhaps I just have to listen to them more. I know Buck and Troy get a lot of crap but they are really good. It just shows how hard it is to replace these guys.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Wasn't Fox gonna pay Brady hundreds of millions of dollars to be their lead analyst?

How many viewers do they think Brady would bring that don't already watch? Would Brady actually be better than Olsen? I'd say highly unlikely.

It seems more like trophy collecting than trying to make the viewing experience better for the audience.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Dish

Tyler Huntley, AFC Pro Bowl QB.


Dish

DeMeco Ryan's gets six years in Houston, that's a lot of years.

Sean Payton to Denver, which is something.

Pakuni

Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 31, 2023, 03:29:04 PM
DeMeco Ryan's gets six years in Houston, that's a lot of years.

Sean Payton to Denver, which is something.

This will sit well with Payton's ego.

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Unbelievable: The #Broncos spent today trying to hire DeMeco Ryans AGAIN today before he recommitted to the #Texans, sources say. When he agreed to terms with the Texans, they moved and finalized Sean Payton.

Dish

Saints are getting Denver's pick at 29 (via SF from Miami), Denver's 2024 2nd. They are sending back to Denver a 2023 third round pick.

Highway robbery, Denver loves overpaying for past their prime assets.

Dish

Quote from: Pakuni on January 31, 2023, 03:47:16 PM
This will sit well with Payton's ego.

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Unbelievable: The #Broncos spent today trying to hire DeMeco Ryans AGAIN today before he recommitted to the #Texans, sources say. When he agreed to terms with the Texans, they moved and finalized Sean Payton.

Yeah, the Denver coaching search was something. No deal officially official yet with Payton either.

The Sultan

LOL, new owners with money to burn panicking...
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 31, 2023, 03:52:20 PM
Yeah, the Denver coaching search was something. No deal officially official yet with Payton either.

The guy who hired Nathaniel Hackett, gave Randy Gregory $28 million, then swung the Russell Wilson deal ran a questionable coaching search?

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on January 31, 2023, 04:42:56 PM
The guy who hired Nathaniel Hackett, gave Randy Gregory $28 million, then swung the Russell Wilson deal ran a questionable coaching search?

Surprised Payton took the gig.  I'd have waited another cycle to see how things shook out.  Denver has no draft capital and a terrible roster.  If he was worried about not being included in the next cycle, that was silly.  Bill Cowher was in the cycle for a decade at least after he retired
Guster is for Lovers

Pakuni

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2023, 04:53:31 PM
Surprised Payton took the gig.  I'd have waited another cycle to see how things shook out.  Denver has no draft capital and a terrible roster.  If he was worried about not being included in the next cycle, that was silly.  Bill Cowher was in the cycle for a decade at least after he retired

Payton is a legit good coach, of course, but if Russell Wilson is as cooked as it appeared, that team is going nowhere fast. They have some quality pieces on defense (Surtain is the NFL's CB1, in my opinion), but the offensive line is bad and the receiving group has underperformed. As you say, they're light on draft capital and as of the moment, they only have $9 million in cap space for next year (though that I'm sure can change).
I guess Sean likes a challenge. Or really hates the prospect of working for Jerry Jones. 

CreightonWarrior

Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 31, 2023, 09:39:37 AM
Tyler Huntley, AFC Pro Bowl QB.
Derek Card, benched for poor performance, is a pro bowler as well. Name an All-NFL team and call it a day.

JWags85

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 31, 2023, 09:19:20 PM
Derek Card, benched for poor performance, is a pro bowler as well. Name an All-NFL team and call it a day.

While I agree the Pro Bowl is a joke, Carr was more benched cause McDaniels is a moron.  He is an upgrade for more than half the league.  Short of the Colts/Texans in a position to get a top QB pick, a bunch of teams should be interested.  Carolina, the Jets, Washington, Titans depending how they feel about Willis, Seahawks, maybe the Lions, maybe even GB.  He threw for 4800 yards last year and had a QB rating of 102 on 27 TDs to 9 picks the year before that.  He's only 31, he didn't suddenly forget how to be a QB.  Feels like Alex Smith 2.0 in a new environment

Pakuni

Quote from: JWags85 on January 31, 2023, 09:49:54 PM
While I agree the Pro Bowl is a joke, Carr was more benched cause McDaniels is a moron.  He is an upgrade for more than half the league.  Short of the Colts/Texans in a position to get a top QB pick, a bunch of teams should be interested.  Carolina, the Jets, Washington, Titans depending how they feel about Willis, Seahawks, maybe the Lions, maybe even GB.  He threw for 4800 yards last year and had a QB rating of 102 on 27 TDs to 9 picks the year before that.  He's only 31, he didn't suddenly forget how to be a QB.  Feels like Alex Smith 2.0 in a new environment

McDaniels may be a moron, but Carr earned his benching. He was bad this year, and really bad down the stretch. In his last four starts, he never completed better 55% of his passes, posted QB ratings of 89.6, 36.9, 86.6 and 42.1, and threw 7 INTs (vs 6 TDs).
The fact Jarrett Stidham (!) came in the next week and threw for 365 yards and 3 TDs against the league's top defense is a pretty strong indication it wasn't a coaching, playcalling or supporting cast problem.

Carr may very well bounce back with a new team next year, but he was poor in 2022.

ZiggysFryBoy

Tom Brady retires "for good."

Uncle Rico

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 01, 2023, 07:32:15 AM
Tom Brady retires "for good."

Luckily for Packers fans, Mahomes is around for everyone to get mad at when people say he's the best qb in the world, so this isn't that big of a deal anymore
Guster is for Lovers

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Herman Cain


Here is Brady's announcement . Short and to the point .
https://www.instagram.com/p/CoHvvZ_ux6e/
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

4everwarriors

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 01, 2023, 07:32:15 AM
Tom Brady retires "for good."




More time ta just hang out at da crib, aina?


"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MU82

NY Times lead:

Tom Brady, one of the world's most decorated professional athletes and widely viewed as the greatest player in N.F.L. history, announced Wednesday that he would retire. For good this time.

Is Brady actually "the greatest player in NFL history"? I'd certainly say he is the most accomplished player ever, and almost surely the best QB ever, but I don't know about the greatest player ever. One could argue that a whole lot of players were superior athletes who accomplished amazing things but simply weren't in a position to win as much -- Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White immediately spring to mind, and I sure there are others.

I guess it's one of those semantics things. And given that he won 7 Super Bowls, has just about every passing record possible, and played at a very high level for 23 years, I wouldn't try to claim he's not the greatest ever.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

cheebs09

He might be the most winning player in NFL history. I think football is the toughest to call someone the greatest due to how different each of the positions are and how interdependent they are on other phases.


The Sultan

He is the best player at the most important position. I feel comfortable calling him the best ever player.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 01, 2023, 08:42:42 AM
He is the best player at the most important position. I feel comfortable calling him the best ever player.

Well, you are the Sultan of Semantics!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

lawdog77

Quote from: Pakuni on January 31, 2023, 05:04:03 PM
Payton is a legit good coach, of course, but if Russell Wilson is as cooked as it appeared, that team is going nowhere fast. They have some quality pieces on defense (Surtain is the NFL's CB1, in my opinion), but the offensive line is bad and the receiving group has underperformed. As you say, they're light on draft capital and as of the moment, they only have $9 million in cap space for next year (though that I'm sure can change).
I guess Sean likes a challenge. Or really hates the prospect of working for Jerry Jones.
He worked for Jones previously, so there's your answer.

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