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tower912

Ben Johnson staying in Detroit as the OC.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

Quote from: tower912 on January 17, 2023, 08:57:12 PM
Ben Johnson staying in Detroit as the OC.

He supposedly was high on the Panthers' list.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on January 17, 2023, 09:48:44 AM
Brandon Staley found his fall guy.

@TomPelissero

The #Chargers fired offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi, sources tell me and @RapSheet.
A big move by Brandon Staley, who should have candidates lining up for a chance to work with Justin Herbert.
So is it a d!ck move or cool guy move to fire your OC right before you, yourself are fired? I mean, is he doing Lombardi a solid here?

Porky's Butthole


GB Warrior

Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 17, 2023, 10:44:53 PM
So is it a d!ck move or cool guy move to fire your OC right before you, yourself are fired? I mean, is he doing Lombardi a solid here?


JWags85

Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 17, 2023, 10:44:53 PM
So is it a d!ck move or cool guy move to fire your OC right before you, yourself are fired? I mean, is he doing Lombardi a solid here?

To be fair, Lombardi was criticized a lot during the season.  Not like he's a completely unfair scapegoat.  And Staley is a DC by trade, so its not like he was largely responsible for an offensive system and he's just sacrificing an underling.

Also, maybe Chargers brass told Staley that some personnel needed to change or he was done, so he made this move.  Aka the anti-Wojo.  Surely won't have a shortage of good candidates eager to work with Herbert, a pair of stud WRs in their prime, and a really good compliment of RBs

The Sultan

To be fair, they probably shouldn't have hired Lombardi in the first place. He was pretty poor in his first go around as an OC with the Lions.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

To be fair, offensive playcalling/scheme isn't why the Chargers disappointed yet again.
Frequent bad decisions by the head coach, on the other hand ...

MU82

To be fair, he ain't no Vince Lombardi.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Quote from: Pakuni on January 18, 2023, 09:44:14 AM
To be fair, offensive playcalling/scheme isn't why the Chargers disappointed yet again.
Frequent bad decisions by the head coach, on the other hand ...


The head coach isn't going to fire himself.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni


Pakuni

This is pretty interesting.

@BruceFeldmanCFB
The average star rating of the defensive players on the NFL All-Pro team is 4.5 stars. On offense, it's just 2.0. I asked some of the sharpest minds in the NFL and college football worlds why they think there's such a disparity in the evaluation game:

https://theathletic.com/4105045/2023/01/19/college-football-recruiting-star-system-disparity-nfl/

Pakuni

Bucs fire Byron Leftwich and much of the offensive staff.
Ravens OC Greg Roman resigns.

Rough offseason for offensive coordinators. Now openings with Baltimore, Tampa, Chargers, Tennessee, Rams, Jets and Patriots (O'Brien?).

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on January 19, 2023, 12:31:23 PM
Bucs fire Byron Leftwich and much of the offensive staff.
Ravens OC Greg Roman resigns.

Rough offseason for offensive coordinators. Now openings with Baltimore, Tampa, Chargers, Tennessee, Rams, Jets and Patriots (O'Brien?).

Lot of openings for what candidates?  Curious who is moving up in the world
Guster is for Lovers

tower912

It will be a shuffle.   There aren't that many up and coming geniuses out there.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

RJax55

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2023, 12:42:59 PM
Lot of openings for what candidates?  Curious who is moving up in the world

Guys that will be fired after the 2023 or 2024 season.

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2023, 12:42:59 PM
Lot of openings for what candidates?  Curious who is moving up in the world

Go for it.


MU82

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

JWags85

Quote from: Pakuni on January 19, 2023, 09:21:49 AM
This is pretty interesting.

@BruceFeldmanCFB
The average star rating of the defensive players on the NFL All-Pro team is 4.5 stars. On offense, it's just 2.0. I asked some of the sharpest minds in the NFL and college football worlds why they think there's such a disparity in the evaluation game:

https://theathletic.com/4105045/2023/01/19/college-football-recruiting-star-system-disparity-nfl/

Really interesting stuff.  Going into the article, I was thinking of some of the nature of non-BIG TIME HS FB.  You see a lot of college star players at any number of positions who played QB in HS.  Why?  Cause thats often where you put the best athlete from an early age.  So you have these WR, TE, RB, DB, LB types who are set up to be a star at that position size/skill/ability wise who played QB all growing up.  So they need to learn/adapt at the college level with proper coaching and then they explode ability wise.

They mention Travis Kelce.  He was a QB in HS.  His older brother is one of the best centers of the last 20 years and he played RB in HS and walked on as a RB.  They are far from alone.

That I think also aligns with scheme too.  Talented HS WRs playing in option or run heavy offenses.  A QB with nobody to throw to.  Or just playing in a non-heavily scouted area like they say.  It makes a ton of sense.

withoutbias

Remember when the Bears offered a higher draft pick just to prevent the Packers from getting Chase Claypool? That worked out well for them.

Jockey

Quote from: withoutbias on January 19, 2023, 09:02:16 PM
Remember when the Bears offered a higher draft pick just to prevent the Packers from getting Chase Claypool? That worked out well for them.

A 1st round pick for a stiff. Ryan Pace is smiling somewhere.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Jockey on January 19, 2023, 09:32:07 PM
A 1st round pick for a stiff. Ryan Pace is smiling somewhere.
Not a first round pick.

I have no idea of he will be decent but did you see any of the Bears games? Randy Moss and Jerry Rice would have looked like crap in the Bears offense. They stuffed the roster with XFL talent so they could lose games.


The Sultan

Right. The Packers GM isn't great. This just reinforces the Bears made a bad deal.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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