2022-2023 NFL Season

[WhiteTrash]

Hurts RTG - 65
Fields RTG - 119

Considering the intentional lack of talent on the Bears, they have been some what competitive.  (I'm not saying they are like 10-15 plays from being a .500 team, but they are not embarrassing)

[The Sultan]

but they are not embarrassing

There's a rallying cry.

[Dish]

Looks like the Bears march to greatness is going to continue with another loss. The 4-13 dream lives!!!

Except for the injuries, ideal outcome. Competitive the whole way, a loss, and one more week down.

I say this because it's true, you (Sultan) are smart enough to know the worst thing you can be in pro sports is in purgatory hell as a barely under .500 to barely over .500 team. There's absolutely no point whatsoever for the Bears to win a single game from here on out.

[The Sultan]

Except for the injuries, ideal outcome. Competitive the whole way, a loss, and one more week down.

I say this because it's true, you (Sultan) are smart enough to know the worst thing you can be in pro sports is in purgatory hell as a barely under .500 to barely over .500 team. There's absolutely no point whatsoever for the Bears to win a single game from here on out.

The NBA? Yep. The NFL? Not really.

Philadelphia was 9-8 last year. Minnesota was 8-9. They are probably the two top seeds in the NFC this year.

You don't think teams like Detroit believe that going from 3-13-1 to near .500 (and possibly a playoff birth) is a sign of progress? Do you think they are regretting winning these games because they may have a 2nd place schedule and lower draft picks next year? Not a chance.

[Dish]

The NBA? Yep. The NFL? Not really.

Philadelphia was 9-8 last year. Minnesota was 8-9. They are probably the two top seeds in the NFC this year.

You don't think teams like Detroit believe that going from 3-13-1 to near .500 (and possibly a playoff birth) is a sign of progress? Do you think they are regretting winning these games because they may have a 2nd place schedule and lower draft picks next year? Not a chance.

So what goodwill would the Bears finishing 5-12 instead of 3-14 bring them?

Sure, I agree if you make the leap the next season after being 3-14 is obviously great and what you want. Progress is of course what you want from year to year. Philly is better as their young QB progressed. If you're constantly 6-11 to 9-8, what good is that? Bears last three seasons, 8-8, 8-8, 6-11. That's not a long term recipe for success. Bottoming out, with their QB position set is the best possible outcome.

I mean this as a compliment, you're better than this take.

[Uncle Rico]

The NBA? Yep. The NFL? Not really.

Philadelphia was 9-8 last year. Minnesota was 8-9. They are probably the two top seeds in the NFC this year.

You don't think teams like Detroit believe that going from 3-13-1 to near .500 (and possibly a playoff birth) is a sign of progress? Do you think they are regretting winning these games because they may have a 2nd place schedule and lower draft picks next year? Not a chance.

I think the Bears have shown progress

[JWags85]

That Pokes/Jags game was wild.

I've never seen a team try to give a game away so many times in the 4th.  The possession after the Lawrence fumble was scared s***less.  Then OT, what a disaster

[WhiteTrash]

The NBA? Yep. The NFL? Not really.

Philadelphia was 9-8 last year. Minnesota was 8-9. They are probably the two top seeds in the NFC this year.

You don't think teams like Detroit believe that going from 3-13-1 to near .500 (and possibly a playoff birth) is a sign of progress? Do you think they are regretting winning these games because they may have a 2nd place schedule and lower draft picks next year? Not a chance.

NFL: Indy (2x), Bengals & Bills off the top of my head. I think Vikings did this and the Eagles dumped talent for draft picks. Those two teams have been building towards wining and last year was positive for both teams. The Bear's and us fans will be happy if the Bears are 8-9 or 9-8 next year. That would be the next positive step in the process. 

Tanking is one strategy but has no guaranty of success. If the Bears' management and coaches suck, then this will be a terrible mess.

The fact they have a plan that does not include getting the 14-18 pick every year is good.

EDIT: -  Also 49ers 2016-2018 tanked.

[MU82]

Oh, yeah?!?!?!   Fine, we'll give the chipping lesson to charity!

Your lads took care of business. Mine couldn't stop the mighty Steelers just about all game.

[WhiteTrash]

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[tower912]

Your lads took care of business. Mine couldn't stop the mighty Steelers just about all game.

The play that won it for Detroit was basically a goal line play.  St Brown in motion left to right, all motion to the right off the snap.   Tight end drags across the field right to left.    You see variations off it all of the time at the goal line.  He caught the ball and there was no one around.   50 yards later...    Badly blown coverage by the Jets.

[The Sultan]

So what goodwill would the Bears finishing 5-12 instead of 3-14 bring them?

Sure, I agree if you make the leap the next season after being 3-14 is obviously great and what you want. Progress is of course what you want from year to year. Philly is better as their young QB progressed. If you're constantly 6-11 to 9-8, what good is that? Bears last three seasons, 8-8, 8-8, 6-11. That's not a long term recipe for success. Bottoming out, with their QB position set is the best possible outcome.

I mean this as a compliment, you're better than this take.

You said "barely .500" before and now are saying 5-12? You're better than shifting goalpost arguments. 

The reason the Bears haven't made the leap from near .500 isn't because they are drafting around 15 or so. It is because they made horrible personnel and coaching decisions. Even at the top of the draft!

They now have new guys in charge.  If they are good, they will find talent no matter where they draft. If they aren't, it won't matter where they draft.  This isn't the NBA.

[The Sultan]

NFL: Indy (2x), Bengals & Bills off the top of my head. I think Vikings did this and the Eagles dumped talent for draft picks. Those two teams have been building towards wining and last year was positive for both teams. The Bear's and us fans will be happy if the Bears are 8-9 or 9-8 next year. That would be the next positive step in the process. 

Tanking is one strategy but has no guaranty of success. If the Bears' management and coaches suck, then this will be a terrible mess.

The fact they have a plan that does not include getting the 14-18 pick every year is good.

EDIT: -  Also 49ers 2016-2018 tanked.

Again I think trading away talent for picks is a great strategy. Good on the Bers for doing that!

Losing games is not a sign of progress though. It's just not a good thing.

[Uncle Rico]

The play that won it for Detroit was basically a goal line play.  St Brown in motion left to right, all motion to the right off the snap.   Tight end drags across the field right to left.    You see variations off it all of the time at the goal line.  He caught the ball and there was no one around.   50 yards later...    Badly blown coverage by the Jets.

Did the TE purposely fall after blocking at the start of the play?  It was a great design.  CJ Mosely is 57 in the play that looks lost and follows the QB right.  I've seen that play before with the TE coming out of the scrum uncovered

[tower912]

He chipped and then crossed the formation against the flow.  Again, goal line play. 1 yard throw.   Works well.   Never thought it could go for 50.

[Uncle Rico]

He chipped and then crossed the formation against the flow.  Again, goal line play. 1 yard throw.   Works well.   Never thought it could go for 50.

I've seen that more in college in those situations.  Big plays can be made off those but you can only do it so many times

[Jockey]

Hurts RTG - 65
Fields RTG - 119

Considering the intentional lack of talent on the Bears, they have been some what competitive.  (I'm not saying they are like 10-15 plays from being a .500 team, but they are not embarrassing)

Losing 10 out of last 11 games isn't embarrassing?

[tower912]

Not most seasons for the Lions.

[Dish]

You said "barely .500" before and now are saying 5-12? You're better than shifting goalpost arguments. 

The reason the Bears haven't made the leap from near .500 isn't because they are drafting around 15 or so. It is because they made horrible personnel and coaching decisions. Even at the top of the draft!

They now have new guys in charge.  If they are good, they will find talent no matter where they draft. If they aren't, it won't matter where they draft.  This isn't the NBA.

You keep mentioning the NBA for some reason. The only pro sport that openly rewards losing/tanking is the NFL. There's no draft lottery in the NFL, you also get "rewarded" with three games (out of 17) on your schedule being different than your division (no other league does that).

I'm not shifting any goal posts, if year in/year out you're around .500, that's a long term recipe for never getting better. It's not rocket surgery to realize 3-14 is better than 5-12 long term. Yes, I did that on purpose.

[withoutbias]

I do appreciate that when Justin Fields throws INTs in back to back possessions with a chance to beat the Packers it's the WR's fault on the first and the second doesn't matter because it was a 2 score game and the Bears weren't going to win. But when they're down 2 scores with 4 minutes left and score at the end of the game they were "competitive the whole way."

Kind of like how Bears fans don't want wins, except there were fireworks going off here by Bears fans when they beat the 9ers and Pats this year.

At least you guys are consistent I'll give you that.

[WhiteTrash]

Losing 10 out of last 11 games isn't embarrassing?

No it is not because:
1. the Bears are in a rebuild and trying to get high draft choices by trading their best players and bringing in like 30 new players including 15 rookies. This has also freed up about $120M in cap space,
2. if you watched the games, which I would not suggest you do if you are not a Bears fan and its a tough watch even for Bears fans, you can see they are mildly competitive and not loosing by 30-40 points per game. Its commendable for a team mostly of players who don't belong in the NFL. 

[rocket surgeon]

the raider mystique??  if cole wasn't out of bounds...his left foot left a mark in the white chalk and replays says NO??  crazy

[Dish]

OMG Patriots.

[MU82]

Nobody mentions Brady Magic when his team blows a big lead.

[MU82]

OMG Patriots.

Belichick teams never beat themselves, though.