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Author Topic: 2022-2023 NFL Season  (Read 121119 times)

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #225 on: March 17, 2022, 10:53:40 PM »
@RapSheet: Final thought (for now) on the Davante Adams trade: His agents Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman confirm that the #Packers offered more money than the contract he’ll sign in Las Vegas.

Simply, it was his lifelong dream to be with the #Raiders.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #226 on: March 18, 2022, 02:23:56 AM »
It doesn't bother me that Watson told the Panthers "thanks, but no thanks."
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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #227 on: March 18, 2022, 05:35:59 AM »
@RapSheet: Final thought (for now) on the Davante Adams trade: His agents Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman confirm that the #Packers offered more money than the contract he’ll sign in Las Vegas.

Simply, it was his lifelong dream to be with the #Raiders.



Well, fook 'im then, hey?
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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #228 on: March 18, 2022, 06:15:58 AM »
@RapSheet: Final thought (for now) on the Davante Adams trade: His agents Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman confirm that the #Packers offered more money than the contract he’ll sign in Las Vegas.

Simply, it was his lifelong dream to be with the #Raiders.


Somehow still Gutey’s fault? 
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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #229 on: March 18, 2022, 06:39:26 AM »
I thought the biggest issue with the contract talks through the season was deciding what top WR money was. Hopkins contract threw everything out of whack.


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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #230 on: March 18, 2022, 07:44:32 AM »
@RapSheet: Final thought (for now) on the Davante Adams trade: His agents Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman confirm that the #Packers offered more money than the contract he’ll sign in Las Vegas.

Simply, it was his lifelong dream to be with the #Raiders.

Lol, this is flat out wrong and a lie. The agents are trying to save face for the Packers because, well, they have other clients and GB is a business partner.

Simply put, Adams was on the non exclusive franchise tag. The MINIMUM the Packers are entitled to get are two first round picks if/when Adams signs an offer sheet with the contract terms the Raiders ended up offering and if they declined to match. If indeed the Packers were “willing to match” the Raiders contract, they absolutely could have!

Someone(s) are lying here. The Packers inexplicably traded Adams for 65 cents on the dollar when the Raiders/NFL were handing them $1, no questions asked.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #231 on: March 18, 2022, 08:00:39 AM »

Somehow still Gutey’s fault?

Pretty much. Per Rob Demovsky on ESPN this morning, by the time the Packers decided they were willing to match the Raiders' offers, Adams' frustration level with the organization had reached the point where he just wanted to move on.

Also Gutey's fault, as Dish notes, the Packers could have forced the Raiders to submit an offer sheet and then either match the offer or extract two first-round picks from Vegas. Instead, they accepted less that what they were entitled.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #232 on: March 18, 2022, 08:40:57 AM »

Somehow still Gutey’s fault?

Yes.

Look, two things can be true.

Gutey is a good talent evaluator and a good roster constructor.

AND

He has managed to alienate the two best players that have come thru Green Bay in the past decade plus. One he had to pay and mortgage the future to retain. The other one he shipped out for less value than he was entitled to. As Dish said, the Packers had the leverage - do you think he was going to sit out his age 30 season? There was a decent chance they'd have tagged him next year too for a 20% bump. Even less leverage for Davante.

You can reframe the team so the identity is not solely Rodgers to Adams, but there is no world in which the Packers are better. They had no WRs that could get open despite Adams consistently being double teamed. Now what? You're playing the lottery with the draft to think you'll find anyone close over the next 2-3 seasons.

If your purported goal is Super Bowl, I don't see a way to reconcile this move with keeping Rodgers. Burn it all down and put all your chips in the lottery if a divisional title is your highest goal.

TL;DR the Packers will still win the North easily but who cares?

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #233 on: March 18, 2022, 10:05:06 AM »
Pretty much. Per Rob Demovsky on ESPN this morning, by the time the Packers decided they were willing to match the Raiders' offers, Adams' frustration level with the organization had reached the point where he just wanted to move on.

Also Gutey's fault, as Dish notes, the Packers could have forced the Raiders to submit an offer sheet and then either match the offer or extract two first-round picks from Vegas. Instead, they accepted less that what they were entitled.
If the additional 1st round pick would be 2023, maybe the Pack decided they'd rather have the 2nd round pick this year because it's more valuable for them going for it immediately.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #234 on: March 18, 2022, 11:27:26 AM »
DT Larry Ogunjobi to the Bears, 3/$40.5.

Except the cat failed his physical.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #235 on: March 18, 2022, 11:33:45 AM »
If the additional 1st round pick would be 2023, maybe the Pack decided they'd rather have the 2nd round pick this year because it's more valuable for them going for it immediately.

That's my take as well.  Packers could go OL, DL, and two WR in the first two rounds.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers combine a 3rd with the Raiders pick to move up, if there's a player they really want to get.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #236 on: March 18, 2022, 11:57:22 AM »
Except the cat failed his physical.

Eh, whatever. At least the front office was transparent about it and proactive.

Not like the Bears we’re gonna win anything anyways.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #237 on: March 18, 2022, 12:00:30 PM »
If the additional 1st round pick would be 2023, maybe the Pack decided they'd rather have the 2nd round pick this year because it's more valuable for them going for it immediately.

They could be thinking that, but if so, it's a terrible decision, value wise.
Using the draft value chart, the two picks the Packers are getting combine to have the value of a 13th overall pick.
Even if the Raiders win the AFC next year- a longshot- the two firsts would be values at the 8th overall pick. If the Raiders finish something like 10-7, then it's worth around the 6th/7th overall.
And that's not mentioning the benefit of a 5th year option on both picks.
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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #238 on: March 18, 2022, 12:00:35 PM »
Pretty much. Per Rob Demovsky on ESPN this morning, by the time the Packers decided they were willing to match the Raiders' offers, Adams' frustration level with the organization had reached the point where he just wanted to move on.

Also Gutey's fault, as Dish notes, the Packers could have forced the Raiders to submit an offer sheet and then either match the offer or extract two first-round picks from Vegas. Instead, they accepted less that what they were entitled.


Or, as others have stated, they wanted the current second round pick instead of next year's first. 

But anyway, the first paragraph doesn't make a lot of sense.  If the Packer's wanted to match the Raiders, they could have regardless of what Adams' wanted.  He would hardly be the first player tagged who is "frustrated" with the organization that tags them.  That is pretty common pretty much every year in the NFL. 

We will see what happens.  My guess is that Adams doesn't live up to that contract pretty much like most receivers that sign big time deals.
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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #239 on: March 18, 2022, 01:29:01 PM »
GB could very well trade for a vet. Lockett or Metcalfe jump to mind as prime examples. Seattle needs draft picks to rebuild. Also sign a vet if they can get a guy like Landry or Ju Ju cheap. One of the 1st 2 picks will be a WR. Olave is my best guess.

I also predict GB will rate higher offensively this coming year than they did last year. Not a knock on Adams -just a much more diversified offense.


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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #240 on: March 18, 2022, 01:43:53 PM »
GB could very well trade for a vet. Lockett or Metcalfe jump to mind as prime examples. Seattle needs draft picks to rebuild. Also sign a vet if they can get a guy like Landry or Ju Ju cheap. One of the 1st 2 picks will be a WR. Olave is my best guess.

I also predict GB will rate higher offensively this coming year than they did last year. Not a knock on Adams -just a much more diversified offense.

Yeah, Rodgers won’t be able to lock onto Adams in clutch situations and maybe he’ll choke less
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« Reply #241 on: March 18, 2022, 01:51:42 PM »
Yeah, Rodgers won’t be able to lock onto Adams in clutch situations and maybe he’ll choke less

Yup. Adams was a crutch in the clutch.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #242 on: March 18, 2022, 02:50:24 PM »
Watson to the Browns and they're giving him $230 million guaranteed.

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« Reply #243 on: March 18, 2022, 03:19:00 PM »
Watson to the Browns and they're giving him $230 million guaranteed.

Your move, Vikings

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #244 on: March 18, 2022, 03:30:24 PM »
Watson to the Browns and they're giving him $230 million guaranteed.

Wow. I gotta say I'm happy he won't be in the NFC South.

What an interesting story, and an interesting development.

I haven't followed the Browns enough to know how good or bad Mayfield has been. From the few Clev games I've seen, the highlights/lowlights, the stats and the standings, he's been disappointing.

If healthy, can he be the catalyst for a winning team or is he just not good enough?
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« Reply #245 on: March 18, 2022, 03:35:39 PM »
Wow. I gotta say I'm happy he won't be in the NFC South.

What an interesting story, and an interesting development.

I haven't followed the Browns enough to know how good or bad Mayfield has been. From the few Clev games I've seen, the highlights/lowlights, the stats and the standings, he's been disappointing.

If healthy, can he be the catalyst for a winning team or is he just not good enough?

Mayfield was solid, not great, two years ago. He was terrible last year, but also injured.
He can he had for cheap. But after the Sam Darnold Experiment, do the Panthers want to try that path again?

Good for Cleveland going all in, I guess, but does Watson make them better than anyone in the AFC West or the Bills?

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #246 on: March 18, 2022, 04:14:14 PM »
Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert are going to get half a billion guaranteed combined between the two of them in 2024.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #247 on: March 18, 2022, 05:32:15 PM »
The Giants will still suck; the Jets too.

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« Reply #248 on: March 18, 2022, 05:44:53 PM »
The Giants will still suck; the Jets too.
And my Bears too. They are at best 2 maybe 3 years away from being decent.

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Re: 2022-2023 NFL Season
« Reply #249 on: March 18, 2022, 08:02:54 PM »
Adams contract details are out. If I’m a Packer fan, I’d stop reading this now.

5 years/$140, which is really 3/$67 ($66 guaranteed)

2022 cap hit $8
2023 cap hit $30
2024 cap hit $21

Two years of fluff at more than manageable dead cap hits (7.7 in 25 and 3.8 in 26).

That’s a fantastic contract for Vegas.