2022-2023 NFL Season

[Herman Cain]

Tyreke to Dolphins for 5 draft picks
1, 2 and 3 round this year
4 and 6 in 2023

[Pakuni]

Tyreke to Dolphins for 5 draft picks
1, 2 and 3 round this year
4 and 6 in 2023

Either the Packers or Dolphins got fleeced.

[Dish]

Either the Packers or Dolphins got fleeced.

My thought immediately was the Packers really misread things with Adams on all accounts. KC got way more for Hill.

[BrewCity83]

Well, at least Adams was the top paid receiver for a few days.  Is he going to go demand a raise now?   

[Hards Alumni]

Tyreke to Dolphins for 5 draft picks
1, 2 and 3 round this year
4 and 6 in 2023

JESUS WHAT THE HELL

[cheebs09]

My thought immediately was the Packers really misread things with Adams on all accounts. KC got way more for Hill.

Aren't the situations pretty different? Adams wasn't under contract and wanted to go to the Raiders. Hill was still under contract and had two teams bidding for him.

Plus the first rounder the Packers got is 7 spots higher. Also, I think you are limited on the return for trading a guy that you tag.

[Pakuni]

Aren't the situations pretty different? Adams wasn't under contract and wanted to go to the Raiders. Hill was still under contract and had two teams bidding for him.

Plus the first rounder the Packers got is 7 spots higher. Also, I think you are limited on the return for trading a guy that you tag.

The first rounder is 7 spots higher, but the second is three spots higher, then you're throwing in a third, fourth and sixth.
Per the draft value chart, the Dolphins gave up more draft capital just in the 2022 draft than the Raiders, not counting next year's picks.

As for the tag, that should have led to a better return (minimum two firsts) than what the Packers accepted.

[Dish]

To me, no move this offseason was more fascinating than this Tyreke trade. I can understand why KC did it, but I would have waited until next off season (even if it meant I got a little less in return). I don't know if this will make sense, but as good a player as Hill is, to me he's 1.5x better because he's on KC and playing with Mahomes. The Chiefs offense isn't perfect, but with Hill & Kelce on the field at the same time, it's such a difficult time to game plan against them.

The Chiefs got a haul, and would have had a very difficult decision next year on what to do with Hill (I'd have franchised him for one year). I don't think Hill will be as durable as say Adams long term, and once Hill starts to slow down, that'll be the beginning of the end.

If I'm in the AFC West, I'm ecstatic right now. The Chiefs could draft a very good WR in the first round, but that rookie probably won't fit like Hill did (at least immediately) in that offense.

I'm really curious if the Packers had conversations with the Jets/Dolphins on Adams. Really curious.

[Jockey]

Either the Packers or Dolphins got fleeced.

According to the NFL Draft value chart, GB & Miami got virtually the same value back for Adams and Hill.

So, unless one thinks there is a huge difference between these guys value to their teams (and that value depends a lot on the cast of players around them), the trades really did not favor either teams.

[rocket surgeon]

It will be interesting to see how effective davante will be with a quarterback with less ability than Rodgers throwing to him.  Remember when Jenkins left the pack for the Vikings?  His numbers (except for his contract $$'s)never came close to those he generated under favre

[wadesworld]

It will be interesting to see how effective davante will be with a quarterback with less ability than Rodgers throwing to him.  Remember when Jenkins left the pack for the Vikings?  His numbers (except for his contract $$'s)never came close to those he generated under favre

Who?

I'm guessing you mean Greg Jennings?  Who played his first 2 years with Favre, but spent much more time (and was more productive) with Rodgers.

[Uncle Rico]

It will be interesting to see how effective davante will be with a quarterback with less ability than Rodgers throwing to him.  Remember when Jenkins left the pack for the Vikings?  His numbers (except for his contract $$'s)never came close to those he generated under favre

Adams wants a Super Bowl.  He wasn't getting that with Rodgers as his QB

[BrewCity83]

Adams wants a Super Bowl.  He wasn't getting that with Rodgers as his QB

If Adams wants a Super Bowl, Derek Carr is sure as hell not gonna take him there if Rodgers couldn't.

Yeah, I know it was a troll job, but I bit anyway.

[Pakuni]

If Adams wants a Super Bowl, Derek Carr is sure as hell not gonna take him there if Rodgers couldn't.

Yeah, I know it was a troll job, but I bit anyway.

If Matthew Stafford, Nick Foles and Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl, Derek Carr can win a Super Bowl. The guy dragged a team to the playoffs throwing the ball to Zay Jones, Hunter Renfrow and Foster Moreau.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Who?

I'm guessing you mean Greg Jennings?  Who played his first 2 years with Favre, but spent much more time (and was more productive) with Rodgers.

[GB Warrior]

According to the NFL Draft value chart, GB & Miami got virtually the same value back for Adams and Hill.

So, unless one thinks there is a huge difference between these guys value to their teams (and that value depends a lot on the cast of players around them), the trades really did not favor either teams.

Yep, trades almost identical in value if you assume that Miami is in the middle of the pack next year, discounted for time value of money.

I have no real problem in value, with the exception that I thought both teams should have gotten more. But it was consistent with similar leverage.

I would be fine with the Packers flipping both Raiders picks for Metcalf. They'll pay him too, but he's only 25 and going on his 2nd contract and he's dirt cheap this year to use that money elsewhere

[forgetful]

Yep, trades almost identical in value if you assume that Miami is in the middle of the pack next year, discounted for time value of money.

I have no real problem in value, with the exception that I thought both teams should have gotten more. But it was consistent with similar leverage.

I would be fine with the Packers flipping both Raiders picks for Metcalf. They'll pay him too, but he's only 25 and going on his 2nd contract and he's dirt cheap this year to use that money elsewhere

If we can pull that off, I think the Packers definitely win on those trades.

[Jockey]

Yep, trades almost identical in value if you assume that Miami is in the middle of the pack next year, discounted for time value of money.

I have no real problem in value, with the exception that I thought both teams should have gotten more. But it was consistent with similar leverage.

I would be fine with the Packers flipping both Raiders picks for Metcalf. They'll pay him too, but he's only 25 and going on his 2nd contract and he's dirt cheap this year to use that money elsewhere

I'd rather they traded for Lockett instead of Metcalfe. Way cheaper to keep with a reasonable salary for the next several years. Stats aren't a lot different and would cost a lot less to acquire (no 1st rounder). Money to keep Jaire is #1 right now.

[#UnleashSean]

I'd rather they traded for Lockett instead of Metcalfe. Way cheaper to keep with a reasonable salary for the next several years. Stats aren't a lot different and would cost a lot less to acquire (no 1st rounder). Money to keep Jaire is #1 right now.

The age old looking up Lockett's age, and instead typing in trent lockett

[Hards Alumni]

If Matthew Stafford, Nick Foles and Joe Flacco can win a Super Bowl, Derek Carr can win a Super Bowl. The guy dragged a team to the playoffs throwing the ball to Zay Jones, Hunter Renfrow and Foster Moreau.

The Raiders aren't coming out of the AFC West.  It's the best division in football.

[Hards Alumni]

Yep, trades almost identical in value if you assume that Miami is in the middle of the pack next year, discounted for time value of money.

I have no real problem in value, with the exception that I thought both teams should have gotten more. But it was consistent with similar leverage.

I would be fine with the Packers flipping both Raiders picks for Metcalf. They'll pay him too, but he's only 25 and going on his 2nd contract and he's dirt cheap this year to use that money elsewhere

A bit of a gamble considering he is a total head case.

[hairy worthen]

I'd rather they traded for Lockett instead of Metcalfe. Way cheaper to keep with a reasonable salary for the next several years. Stats aren't a lot different and would cost a lot less to acquire (no 1st rounder). Money to keep Jaire is #1 right now.

Yes, this is correct. Plus Metcalfe is a head case and would be a gamble. Draft the future number 1 receiver. I hope they don't piss away the first round picks.

[Pakuni]

If we can pull that off, I think the Packers definitely win on those trades.

Davante Adams straight up for DK Metcalf is a win for the Packers?

[Pakuni]

The Raiders aren't coming out of the AFC West.  It's the best division in football.

Any team that goes 3-3 in that division, maybe even 2-4, has a chance at the playoffs.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Article  by Silverstein today that Adams let them know he wanted a trade to LV right after the season ended and they did their best to achieve that

Shortly after the season ended, he made it known that he wanted out and his desire was to play for the Las Vegas Raiders and quarterback Derek Carr, his former college teammate and close friend, a source said. The public didn't know Adams was adamant about leaving for the team he cheered for while growing up in East Palo Alto, California. But it was no secret among Packers officials that Adams wanted out.
The Packers had a better offer on the table than from the summer – one source said it was $25 million per year over three years – but Adams, after speaking with Carr and Bauer, was adamant he wanted to move on. Specifically, he wanted to play for the Raiders.
As many have reported, Rodgers knew about Adams' desire well before he signed his record-breaking $151 million extension. There wasn't anything he could do about it. Undoubtedly, he wanted Adams to stay, but his priority was his own contract and he wound up doing what was best for him.