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ZiggysFryBoy

Bo came to Madison last summer to open up a city owned 9 hole golf course, because he was friends with someone involved with the project.  That's just when he is.

We tried to get him to come to our softball game that night, through another contact but it didn't work out.  😁

Dish

I will absolutely have money on the Cardinals to finish with the worst record in 2023. That Gannon hiring is going to be a total disaster.

JWags85

Quote from: DegenerateDish on February 14, 2023, 03:08:16 PM
I will absolutely have money on the Cardinals to finish with the worst record in 2023. That Gannon hiring is going to be a total disaster.

Hiring a DC 2 days after his defense got pantsed terribly in the Super Bowl is certainly a move

Uncle Rico

Quote from: JWags85 on February 14, 2023, 06:36:44 PM
Hiring a DC 2 days after his defense got pantsed terribly in the Super Bowl is certainly a move

There are some people that cover the league that swear he's the next big thing in coaching
Guster is for Lovers

Pakuni

Quote from: JWags85 on February 14, 2023, 06:36:44 PM
Hiring a DC 2 days after his defense got pantsed terribly in the Super Bowl is certainly a move

I mean, Robert Salah seems OK.
In reality, not many DCs haven't been pantsed by Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes the past five years.
No idea whether Gannon will make a good HC or not, but teams that make big decisions bases on 30 minutes of football  usually come to regret them.

JWags85

Quote from: Pakuni on February 14, 2023, 06:55:18 PM
I mean, Robert Salah seems OK.
In reality, not many DCs haven't been pantsed by Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes the past five years.
No idea whether Gannon will make a good HC or not, but teams that make big decisions bases on 30 minutes of football  usually come to regret them.
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Saleh spent a decade coaching with the amazing Seattle defenses, then further with Gus Bradley, and then was a really good DC in SF for 3-4 years.  Gannon is 4 seasons removed from being an assistant position coach, didn't have a particularly great defense last year, and then the Super Bowl, which was criticized far more, IMO, than Saleh's defense in SB54.  Bad setback on a long developing bright career versus a huge blunder in an otherwise brief career.

MU82

What are Gannon's organizational skills? How is he as a motivator? What kind of ego-manager is he? Is he a good communicator? Will he fill his staff with excellent coaches? Can he get all of the players, on both offense and defense, to buy into what he and the coordinators are selling?

I don't know squat about Gannon, but that's the kind of stuff that will determine whether or not he succeeds.

That, and obviously if there's enough talent.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

tower912

Panthers signing Caldwell to help Reich is a good move.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

Quote from: tower912 on February 15, 2023, 05:15:10 AM
Panthers signing Caldwell to help Reich is a good move.

Agree, he is bound to be an asset. Given Caldwell's record in Detroit, it's pretty stunning that he couldn't get a head-coaching gig.

Actually, not stunning at all given the color of his skin, so never mind.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Quote from: MU82 on February 15, 2023, 07:54:43 AM
Agree, he is bound to be an asset. Given Caldwell's record in Detroit, it's pretty stunning that he couldn't get a head-coaching gig.

Actually, not stunning at all given the color of his skin, so never mind.

🙄🙄🙄

His record the last three years in Detroit was completely mediocre. He was in his early 60s at the time as well.

The only white coach I can think of who got another head gig after being fired twice is Pete Carroll. But he had his USC success in between. 

Don't get me wrong. I think the NFL has an obvious racial problem. But Jim Caldwell isn't a great example of that.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2023, 08:11:41 AM
🙄🙄🙄

His record the last three years in Detroit was completely mediocre. He was in his early 60s at the time as well.

The only white coach I can think of who got another head gig after being fired twice is Pete Carroll. But he had his USC success in between. 

Don't get me wrong. I think the NFL has an obvious racial problem. But Jim Caldwell isn't a great example of that.

Only the Texans made a woke mob hire this cycle
Guster is for Lovers

Pakuni

Quote from: JWags85 on February 14, 2023, 08:45:37 PM
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Saleh spent a decade coaching with the amazing Seattle defenses, then further with Gus Bradley, and then was a really good DC in SF for 3-4 years.  Gannon is 4 seasons removed from being an assistant position coach, didn't have a particularly great defense last year, and then the Super Bowl, which was criticized far more, IMO, than Saleh's defense in SB54.  Bad setback on a long developing bright career versus a huge blunder in an otherwise brief career.

Didn't have a particularly great defense last year? The Eagles ranked 8th in points allowed and 2nd in yards allowed, and registered the 3rd most sacks in NFL history. That's pretty good.

Again, I have no idea how Gannon fares as a head coach, but I do think you're downplaying his credentials a bit. He spent four seasons under Mike Zimmer in Minnesota, and give me Zimmer as a defensive coach over Gus Bradley 10 times out of 10. Then he spent two years under Matt Eberflus in Indy. While the jury is very much out on Eberflus as a HC, he was a very solid coordinator. And then he took two years to build one of the league's top Ds in Philly.

Yes, the Eagles D got torched in the second half Sunday. So did Saleh's in Super Bowl LIV. Niners went into the 4th quarter with a 10-point lead and gave up 21 points in a little more than 6 minutes to squander the game.
I don't say this to knock Saleh, just to point out that Reid and Mahomes have gotten the better of a lot of quality DCs in big moments.

tower912

Caldwell got fired in Detroit because Quinn wanted Patricia.   He was another call that only happens to the Lions (Golden Tate game winning touchdown against Atlanta followed by 10 second runoff ending the game) away from making the playoffs his final year. 

Amazing how the wheels of fate turn.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

JWags85

Quote from: Pakuni on February 15, 2023, 09:33:14 AM
Didn't have a particularly great defense last year? The Eagles ranked 8th in points allowed and 2nd in yards allowed, and registered the 3rd most sacks in NFL history. That's pretty good.

FWIW I was referring to the 21-22 season, not the season that just completed.

Pakuni

A little birdie tells me the Bears are closing on Arlington Park today.
#donedeal

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on February 15, 2023, 01:37:59 PM
A little birdie tells me the Bears are closing on Arlington Park today.
#donedeal
What does the little bird say about the Bears trading Fields? Hearing more buzz about it lately. (maybe NFL guys looking for offseason content?)

Pakuni

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 15, 2023, 01:59:26 PM
What does the little bird say about the Bears trading Fields? Hearing more buzz about it lately. (maybe NFL guys looking for offseason content?)

Little bird doesn't work in the Bears personnel department.

wadesworld

Why would you trade your 23 year old dude?

Pakuni

Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2023, 02:42:04 PM
Why would you trade your 23 year old dude?

1. You don't believe he can develop well enough as a passer to be a Super Bowl-winning QB
2. His trade value may never be higher
3. You believe a QB available in this draft can be a Super Bowl-winning QB and you're in perfect position to land him

I don't know if 1 or 3 are true, but if they are, then it makes sense to trade him.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2023, 02:42:04 PM
Why would you trade your 23 year old dude?

You might, if you truly believe one of the QBs in this class are the next Burrow or Mahomes.

You might, if a QB needy team offers a better package than you get for the 1st overall pick.

I don't think he's available but they'd be foolish not to listen at this juncture
Guster is for Lovers

jesmu84

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2023, 03:10:49 PM
You might, if you truly believe one of the QBs in this class are the next Burrow or Mahomes.

You might, if a QB needy team offers a better package than you get for the 1st overall pick.

I don't think he's available but they'd be foolish not to listen at this juncture

This.

The Sultan

I think wades is being sarcastic considering the praise he was receiving here early this past season.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: jesmu84 on February 15, 2023, 03:21:59 PM
This.

They're in a great position with regards to this years draft.  It's probably front office malfeasance to hold onto the pick and Fields.  Either way, the Poles era will be defined by what happens in this draft
Guster is for Lovers

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Pakuni on February 15, 2023, 02:34:29 PM
Little bird doesn't work in the Bears personnel department.

Kaplan broke this story this past weekend. Is he your birdie?

Pakuni

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 15, 2023, 03:27:40 PM
Kaplan broke this story this past weekend. Is he your birdie?

His breaking story this weekend was that Arlington Park employees were told they had to be out of their offices Tuesday and that the Bears would close "sooner than the end of March."
So, to answer your question, no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W4QasiY_Lw&feature=youtu.be

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