The Packers season has officially started with the completion of Rookie Mini Camp. Packers had a very solid draft that addressed some needs and provided depth.
Packers also have a new special teams coach. Hoping some of these rookies can help improve the one area where the team was weak.
https://www.packers.com/news/5-things-learned-during-packers-rookie-minicamp
Why are we looking back at 21-22?
Quote from: tower912 on May 08, 2022, 04:54:06 PM
Why are we looking back at 21-22?
Correction noted
At least one "fan" didn't like the Packers draft -
https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/packers-shareholder-draft-black-players-question-ceo-mark-murphy-01g2ht2w47yk?msclkid=92d9a7ebcf1c11ec8f3ebabae248d6c2 (https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/packers-shareholder-draft-black-players-question-ceo-mark-murphy-01g2ht2w47yk?msclkid=92d9a7ebcf1c11ec8f3ebabae248d6c2)
Quote from: ChuckyChip on May 08, 2022, 05:18:50 PM
At least one "fan" didn't like the Packers draft -
https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/packers-shareholder-draft-black-players-question-ceo-mark-murphy-01g2ht2w47yk?msclkid=92d9a7ebcf1c11ec8f3ebabae248d6c2 (https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/packers-shareholder-draft-black-players-question-ceo-mark-murphy-01g2ht2w47yk?msclkid=92d9a7ebcf1c11ec8f3ebabae248d6c2)
Marilyn is just asking questions.
Quote from: Clarissa on May 08, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
Marilyn is just asking questions.
Here is the Q and A from Mark Murphy. Another fan wants to have a Paul McCartney concert.....
https://www.packers.com/news/mt5-a-successful-draft
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 08, 2022, 05:59:55 PM
Here is the Q and A from Mark Murphy. Another fan wants to have a Paul McCartney concert.....
https://www.packers.com/news/mt5-a-successful-draft
"Also, please stop calling me Mike." 😂😂😂
Quote from: ChuckyChip on May 08, 2022, 05:18:50 PM
At least one "fan" didn't like the Packers draft -
https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/packers-shareholder-draft-black-players-question-ceo-mark-murphy-01g2ht2w47yk?msclkid=92d9a7ebcf1c11ec8f3ebabae248d6c2 (https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/packers-shareholder-draft-black-players-question-ceo-mark-murphy-01g2ht2w47yk?msclkid=92d9a7ebcf1c11ec8f3ebabae248d6c2)
Probably from Stevens Point
I'll bet Marilyn blames affirmative action for why she couldn't get into dental school
Quote from: ChuckyChip on May 08, 2022, 05:18:50 PM
At least one "fan" didn't like the Packers draft -
https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/packers-shareholder-draft-black-players-question-ceo-mark-murphy-01g2ht2w47yk?msclkid=92d9a7ebcf1c11ec8f3ebabae248d6c2 (https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/packers-shareholder-draft-black-players-question-ceo-mark-murphy-01g2ht2w47yk?msclkid=92d9a7ebcf1c11ec8f3ebabae248d6c2)
Anyone surprised they even posted that? I'm surprised a team website would have that on their website.
That's just fine trolling
I like the move the Packers made to hire Rich Bisaccia to head up special teams. He has already made some progress out of the gate with a couple free agents .
https://www.packers.com/news/rich-bisaccia-will-look-in-every-nook-and-cranny-to-improve-packers-special-team
Sounds more like Wausau or Rapids...
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 08, 2022, 06:16:48 PM
Probably from Stevens Point
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 09, 2022, 09:19:21 AM
I like the move the Packers made to hire Rich Bisaccia to head up special teams. He has already made some progress out of the gate with a couple free agents .
https://www.packers.com/news/rich-bisaccia-will-look-in-every-nook-and-cranny-to-improve-packers-special-team
As written on "packers.com"
Here are some first day Rookie Camp impressions of the Packers as written on Sports Illustrated.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/at-packers-rookie-camp-zach-tom-starts-at-center-tariq-carpenter-at-safety#gid=ci02a091a150002795&pid=seventh-round-wr-samori-toure
Sounds like the 4th and 7th round pick at wide receiver may hold some promise.
The Dongslinger will be sharing his opinions on football this fall on 94.5 ESPN Milwaukee!
In the meantime, looks like he'll be in court some more
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/09/mississippi-sues-brett-favre-three-former-wrestlers-welfare-misspending
More on Rookies, some comments on Love and detail on Special Teams
https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/05/10/packers-get-first-look-rookie-class-and-look-ahead-london-game/9677880002/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 10, 2022, 11:21:33 AM
The Dongslinger will be sharing his opinions on football this fall on 94.5 ESPN Milwaukee!
In the meantime, looks like he'll be in court some more
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/09/mississippi-sues-brett-favre-three-former-wrestlers-welfare-misspending
With Chmura?
Maybe call it 'Pedo and the Thief'.
Quote from: Jockey on May 10, 2022, 12:23:51 PM
With Chmura?
Maybe call it 'Pedo and the Thief'.
Packers legends
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 10, 2022, 12:31:53 PM
Packers legends
I have literally never heard a dumber sports talk show host than Chmura.
He knows zero about any sport other than football even though he knows next to nothing about the modern game. He is certainly more well versed in the sex habits of teenage girls than he is about football.
Quote from: Jockey on May 10, 2022, 02:29:15 PM
I have literally never heard a dumber sports talk show host than Chmura.
I don't know. That's a pretty high bar in Milwaukee sports radio.
Ian Rapoport on Jordan Love trade value
https://mobile.twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1524083908131930113?s=20&t=0IZfD5B1KUaFDQgaC32-Vg
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 10, 2022, 04:03:13 PM
I don't know. That's a pretty high bar in Milwaukee sports radio.
It's really bad. I am a fan of Wisconsin sports teams, but whenever i am in the car, I listen to Chicago stations.
Quote from: Jockey on May 10, 2022, 04:49:10 PM
It's really bad. I am a fan of Wisconsin sports teams, but whenever i am in the car, I listen to Chicago stations.
Winkler is the only one that gets it. The rest think they are passing along some valuable service. Winkler admits the con job at least
94.5 is just so obnoxiously Badger-centric, minus Homer that I maybe turn on 97.3 if anything, but Kuhn specifically is pretty terrible. Not Chmura bad, cause he makes an effort to talk about/watch other sports, but good lord is he clueless. I don't think he's a moron and he seems like a fairly likeable guy, but unless they are specifically talking about NFL and the Packers and the water he carries for the organization, he sounds like your neighbor who watched a quarter of the Bucks game last night, or highlights of a league on SportsCenter and has opinions.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 10, 2022, 05:16:57 PM
Winkler is the only one that gets it. The rest think they are passing along some valuable service. Winkler admits the con job at least
Ah, sew ur Notebook Mike, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 10, 2022, 05:52:04 PM
Ah, sew ur Notebook Mike, aina?
I can honestly say I've never called a sports talk radio station. I don't even listen to Winkler but have heard enough to know he doesn't take any of it as serious as the other mouth breathers in this state
I think Wilde and Tauscher are "fine" but in general I can find better things to listen to
Quote from: Jockey on May 10, 2022, 04:49:10 PM
It's really bad. I am a fan of Wisconsin sports teams, but whenever i am in the car, I listen to Chicago stations.
Chicago stations are not better.
Thing about sports talk radio, is they have to walk a fine line between being controversial (so you keep listening) and being reasonable.
Stephen A Smith has been the absolute best at this for over two decades. He doesn't believe half his takes, but he doesn't have to. He only has to have an argument that keeps you talking about him. And watching.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 11, 2022, 12:42:36 PM
Chicago stations are not better.
Thing about sports talk radio, is they have to walk a fine line between being controversial (so you keep listening) and being reasonable.
Stephen A Smith has been the absolute best at this for over two decades. He doesn't believe half his takes, but he doesn't have to. He only has to have an argument that keeps you talking about him. And watching.
Boers and Bernstein were the good standard. Bernstein's political rants became too much but they were great
Another good article on Rich Bisaccia. Packers new special teams coordinator
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/platform/amp/2022/5/11/23067015/cheese-curds-rich-bisaccia-starts-working-his-magic
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 12, 2022, 08:28:10 AM
Another good article on Rich Bisaccia. Packers new special teams coordinator
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/platform/amp/2022/5/11/23067015/cheese-curds-rich-bisaccia-starts-working-his-magic
It was a terrible article
Packers benefit from the weak NFC North in their schedule ever year . Games against Division winner games will be tough as usual .
Hoping the Packers can sign one of the free agent wide receivers still on market to fortify their roster
Ian Rapoport says Julio Jones , OBJ and Jarvis Landry are possibilities because their price came down
https://mobile.twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1524080256067547136
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 12, 2022, 12:53:23 PM
Packers benefit from the weak NFC North in their schedule ever year . Games against Division winner games will be tough as usual .
Hoping the Packers can sign one of the free agent wide receivers still on market to fortify their roster
Ian Rapoport says Julio Jones , OBJ and Jarvis Landry are possibilities because their price came down
https://mobile.twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1524080256067547136
Have to figure those guys want to play with a QB focused on winning, not stats
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 12, 2022, 01:09:54 PM
Have to figure those guys want to play with a QB focused on winning, not stats
Trent Dilfer is retired
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 12, 2022, 01:09:54 PM
Have to figure those guys want to play with a QB focused on winning, not stats
Colin Kapernick hasn't played in years
Some commentary from The Bucs fan site on this seasons Bucs Oackers game in Tampa .
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2022/05/yes-aaron-rodgers-is-a-hall-of-fame-qb-also-yes-he-is-terrible-playing-in-florida/
Jaire gets his bag, and deservedly so.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 16, 2022, 10:20:31 AM
Jaire gets his bag, and deservedly so.
4 years $84 million
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-sign-jaire-alexander-to-four-year-84m-extension-making-him-nfls-highest-paid-defensive-back/
Good article on The Packers 4th and 7th round draft picks at Wide Receiver
https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/52209/wrs-romeo-doubs-and-samori-toure-from-pre-draft-workouts-to-packers-teammates
Packers fifth in NBC Sports pre season power rankings . Free agency not yet done so this could change .
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/23/2022-nfl-power-rankings-fmia-peter-king/?cid=nbcsports
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 24, 2022, 12:58:43 PM
Packers fifth in NBC Sports pre season power rankings . Free agency not yet done so this could change .
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/23/2022-nfl-power-rankings-fmia-peter-king/?cid=nbcsports
5th? In the NFC North, I'd guess
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 24, 2022, 03:21:06 PM
5th? In the NFC North, I'd guess
They have to learn how to beat the Bears if they wanna move up in that Division.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/highlights-from-day-2-of-packers-otas
Aaron Rodgers teamed with Tom Brady to win made for TV golf match against Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tom-brady-aaron-rodgers-defeat-patrick-mahomes-josh-allen-match-golf-event
Allen Lazard holding out, wants a long term contract. Not at Mandatory Mini Camp. Technically because he has not signed yet he is not required to show up. More reps for the younger guys.
https://www.nfl.com/news/matt-lafleur-not-worried-allen-lazard-skipping-packers-minicamp-new-deal
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 08, 2022, 07:11:26 PM
Allen Lazard holding out, wants a long term contract. Not at Mandatory Mini Camp. Technically because he has not signed yet he is not required to show up. More reps for the younger guys.
https://www.nfl.com/news/matt-lafleur-not-worried-allen-lazard-skipping-packers-minicamp-new-deal
Well, if there was ever a time he'd have some leverage, it's now.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 08, 2022, 07:25:33 PM
Well, if there was ever a time he'd have some leverage, it's now.
No, not really. 40 receptions can be replaced fairly easily. Cobb, Watkins, Watson could easily be the starting 3 if Lazard wants to be greedy.
Having said that, he should be/been working on a deal for the last year. Not sure why this is even called a hold out though. Since he wasn't required to report yet.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 08, 2022, 07:11:26 PM
Allen Lazard holding out, wants a long term contract. Not at Mandatory Mini Camp. Technically because he has not signed yet he is not required to show up. More reps for the younger guys.
https://www.nfl.com/news/matt-lafleur-not-worried-allen-lazard-skipping-packers-minicamp-new-deal
How does a guy with no contract hold out?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 09, 2022, 06:36:23 AM
No, not really. 40 receptions can be replaced fairly easily. Cobb, Watkins, Watson could easily be the starting 3 if Lazard wants to be greedy.
Having said that, he should be/been working on a deal for the last year. Not sure why this is even called a hold out though. Since he wasn't required to report yet.
I guess I'm not banking on Cobb and Watkins playing together more than 8 games. Plus, he might not have a ton of leverage, but this is probably his best position to negotiate.
I still think the Packers grab someone like Julio. He has his own injury problems, but it feels like the Packers are still thin on talent there. I'm guessing Jones and the TEs are more involved in the passing game.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 09, 2022, 07:46:01 AM
I guess I'm not banking on Cobb and Watkins playing together more than 8 games. Plus, he might not have a ton of leverage, but this is probably his best position to negotiate.
I still think the Packers grab someone like Julio. He has his own injury problems, but it feels like the Packers are still thin on talent there. I'm guessing Jones and the TEs are more involved in the passing game.
I think the RBs and TEs will be the focus... but this assumes Bobby T is healthy. Watson is there to take the top off the coverage. I wonder if Amari Rodgers is already considered a bust at this point. No one talks about him, and he was rarely used last year... and when he was, he was very ineffective.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 09, 2022, 07:47:46 AM
I think the RBs and TEs will be the focus... but this assumes Bobby T is healthy. Watson is there to take the top off the coverage. I wonder if Amari Rodgers is already considered a bust at this point. No one talks about him, and he was rarely used last year... and when he was, he was very ineffective.
Tea leaves point to bust
Quote from: Jockey on June 09, 2022, 07:27:57 AM
How does a guy with no contract hold out?
I mean, he can save mileage on his body till training camp, but there's a real risk of overplaying his hand. I wouldn't say the Packers have "good" options, but there are options.
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 09, 2022, 12:33:08 PM
I mean, he can save mileage on his body till training camp, but there's a real risk of overplaying his hand. I wouldn't say the Packers have "good" options, but there are options.
Sorry. I didn't mean it that way. I was questioning a poster who said Lazard was holding out. You can't hold out if you are not under contract.
Davante Adams gives more detail on his decision to join Raiders
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/davante-adams-says-38-year-old-aaron-rodgers-looming-retirement-is-partly-the-reason-he-left-green-bay/
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 10, 2022, 08:13:34 AM
Davante Adams gives more detail on his decision to join Raiders
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/davante-adams-says-38-year-old-aaron-rodgers-looming-retirement-is-partly-the-reason-he-left-green-bay/
He also said he left because of the fans
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 10, 2022, 09:01:46 AM
He also said he left because of the fans
Always seemed like more of an AC guy anyway.
AR dating a witch now.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-new-girlfriend-blu-of-earth-witch-allegation
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 10, 2022, 08:47:31 PM
AR dating a witch now.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-new-girlfriend-blu-of-earth-witch-allegation
Blu of Earth instagram
https://www.instagram.com/bluofearth/?hl=en
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 10, 2022, 08:47:31 PM
AR dating a witch now.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-new-girlfriend-blu-of-earth-witch-allegation
Bedder dan deightin' a bitch, aina?
Interesting article on Sammy Watkins. He is intellectually honest about where he is at in his career
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/08/sammy-watkins-my-career-hasnt-been-what-i-projected-and-my-back-is-against-the-wall/
I like this team work
https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-cb-jaire-alexander-helping-prepare-rookie-wr-christian-watson-iron-sharp
The Packers have a history of saying goodbye to high quality wide receivers:
Javon Walker went to Denver
Greg Jennings went to Minnesota
and now, Davante Adams goes to Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland, Las Vegas.
They didn't miss a beat then and I don't think they will now. The Packers did much better than Walker or Jennings did in their next stops.
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 23, 2022, 01:12:16 PM
The Packers have a history of saying goodbye to high quality wide receivers:
Javon Walker went to Denver
Greg Jennings went to Minnesota
and now, Davante Adams goes to Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland, Las Vegas.
They didn't miss a beat then and I don't think they will now. The Packers did much better than Walker or Jennings did in their next stops.
Those days are over. Futility is in the near future for the Packers until they upgrade the QB position
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 23, 2022, 01:12:16 PM
The Packers have a history of saying goodbye to high quality wide receivers:
Javon Walker went to Denver
Greg Jennings went to Minnesota
and now, Davante Adams goes to Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland, Las Vegas.
They didn't miss a beat then and I don't think they will now. The Packers did much better than Walker or Jennings did in their next stops.
One of these things is not like the other.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 10, 2022, 08:47:31 PM
AR dating a witch now.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-new-girlfriend-blu-of-earth-witch-allegation
AR is a great QB, but he's unique. 100% California boy.
Tonyan making good progress in rehab and recovery
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/06/24/packers-te-robert-tonyan-acl-still-on-track-for-season-opener/
https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/06/23/green-bay-packers-executive-dick-blasczyk-dies-he-kept-close-watch-team-spending/7710664001/
A great Packer memory
https://mobile.twitter.com/HardRockSB/status/1545809019696287744?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34239601/ex-governor-ordered-11m-welfare-payment-brett-favre-defendant-alleges
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 16, 2022, 02:41:49 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34239601/ex-governor-ordered-11m-welfare-payment-brett-favre-defendant-alleges
Between the Dongslinger and Fraudgers, a lonely Packers nation turns its eyes towards you, Bart Starr
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 16, 2022, 04:59:17 PM
Between the Dongslinger and Fraudgers, a lonely Packers nation turns its eyes towards you, Bart Starr
Uh... did you forget about Lynn Dickey?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/07/23/packers-lt-david-bakhtiari-not-on-pup-list-for-now/
Kind of interesting that Christian Watson and Mason Crosby are on the PUP list. Wonder how long they are anticipated to be recovering from whatever ails them?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34285960/source-green-bay-packers-star-lt-david-bakhtiari-pup-list-ahead-first-training-camp
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 24, 2022, 12:33:54 PM
Kind of interesting that Christian Watson and Mason Crosby are on the PUP list. Wonder how long they are anticipated to be recovering from whatever ails them?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34285960/source-green-bay-packers-star-lt-david-bakhtiari-pup-list-ahead-first-training-camp
Watson had his knee scoped a couple of weeks back, he should be fine. Minor stuff.
Packers had a record year in terms of revenue and profits in 2021. $579 million in revenue and income from operations of $77.7 million, with 61.6 million in Net income
Reserves of $440 Million
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/07/22/green-bay-packers-revenue-profit-record-2022/10131171002/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 26, 2022, 03:11:52 PM
Packers had a record year in terms of revenue and profits in 2021. $579 million in revenue and income from operations of $77.7 million, with 61.6 million in Net income
Reserves of $440 Million
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/07/22/green-bay-packers-revenue-profit-record-2022/10131171002/
And how many dopes bought stock last year? 😂
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 26, 2022, 03:15:49 PM
And how many dopes bought stock last year? 😂
Sounds like it's going to pay off.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 26, 2022, 03:29:27 PM
Sounds like it's going to pay off.
Not for getting players
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 26, 2022, 03:48:46 PM
Not for getting players
Sure , it has to help, the players will love the underground parking etc.
Bucs sign Julio Jones . Jones has been injured. If healthy , can Brady coax one more good year out of Jones.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/buccaneers-sign-julio-jones-to-one-year-deal-former-all-pro-joins-forces-with-tom-brady/
Oops Sammi Watkins
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/26/packers-place-sammy-watkins-on-non-football-injury-list/
News from Day 1 of Pads
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2022/8/1/23287344/green-bay-packers-practice-news-and-notes-8-1-the-pads-come-on-and-the-defense-shines-rashan-gary
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34302127/green-bay-packers-all-pro-david-bakhtiari-had-another-knee-procedure-no-table-return
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 02, 2022, 06:59:57 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34302127/green-bay-packers-all-pro-david-bakhtiari-had-another-knee-procedure-no-table-return
He wants out bad. Wants a ring
Aaron Rodgers on how his mental health experiments help the team
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/08/03/aaron-rodgers-opens-up-about-psychedelic-use-ayahuasca-mental-health-podcast
Of course he's caught up in Aubrey Marcus' cult. This is just *chef's kiss*
Rodgers is bullish on Romeo Doubs Packers 4th round wide receiver pick. Says he does very well on contested passes .
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/03/aaron-rodgers-rookie-wr-romeo-doubs-doing-rare-things-to-start-camp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 04, 2022, 07:08:46 PM
Rodgers is bullish on Romeo Doubs Packers 4th round wide receiver pick. Says he does very well on contested passes .
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/03/aaron-rodgers-rookie-wr-romeo-doubs-doing-rare-things-to-start-camp/
He'll probably run this guy out of GB, too
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 04, 2022, 07:15:40 PM
He'll probably run this guy out of GB, too
Kuhn, after making a terribly incorrect reference to Jekyll and Hyde when talking about Rodgers, then said "but these are the things that make him one of the most beloved personalities in all of the NFL". Which I found hilarious. I know Kuhn is the designated water carrier after McAfee, but good lord that's tone deaf.
https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/08/04/randall-cobb-pokes-fun-romeo-dobbs-inheriting-jordy-nelsons-87/10234525002/
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 05, 2022, 11:28:06 AM
https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/08/04/randall-cobb-pokes-fun-romeo-dobbs-inheriting-jordy-nelsons-87/10234525002/
They need to cut Cobb. He's garbage
Excellent interview with Aaron Rodgers
Lots of commentary on individual players .
https://www.packers.com/video/aaron-rodgers-describes-de-vondre-campbell-s-rise-as-a-leader
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 05, 2022, 11:32:13 AM
They need to cut Cobb. He's garbage
He's der ta cary #12's bag, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 05, 2022, 05:40:12 PM
He's der ta cary #12's bag, aina?
That's the problem. 12's judgement of players is terrible
That podcast with Aubrey Marcus was wild.
Aaron and Danica enjoyed the psychedelic tea together
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/aaron-rodgers-dating-danica-patrick-ayahuasca-meditation-161501507.html
Seems like Aaron talking about Danica a lot these days. She broke up with her boyfriend and Aaron broke his engagement, so who knows maybe they get back together
https://nypost.com/2022/08/04/aaron-rodgers-recalls-psychedelic-journey-to-peru-with-danica-patrick/
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 08, 2022, 05:15:48 PM
Seems like Aaron talking about Danica a lot these days. She broke up with her boyfriend and Aaron broke his engagement, so who knows maybe they get back together
https://nypost.com/2022/08/04/aaron-rodgers-recalls-psychedelic-journey-to-peru-with-danica-patrick/
He's dating a witch
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 08, 2022, 05:22:15 PM
He's dating a witch
Good point , he should probably stick with The Witch ,at least until he retires. In the Packers best interest.
Will be interesting to see how the rookie receivers do tonight in the exhibition versus The 49ers
https://www.nfl.com/news/aaron-rodgers-on-readying-new-crop-of-packers-wrs-we-re-going-to-be-hard-on-them
More importantly we'll see if Love's got anything or if his ass needs to get peddled for a couple kickin' tees, aina?
#freerocket2022v2
#freeziggy2022
Jordan Love blows.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 12, 2022, 08:34:52 PM
Jordan Love blows.
If he didn't the Packers would've traded Rodgers on multiple different occasions now.
Packers are trash
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 12, 2022, 05:53:39 PM
More importantly we'll see if Love's got anything or if his ass needs to get peddled for a couple kickin' tees, aina?
#freerocket2022v2
#freeziggy2022
Loves trade value going down tonight
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 12, 2022, 08:46:57 PM
Loves trade value going down tonight
Disagree. A couple of bad throws, but plenty of good ones.
He hasn't been great, but he has been serviceable.
https://www.packers.com/news/game-notes-amari-rodgers-sparks-packers-special-teams
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 12, 2022, 08:56:48 PM
Disagree. A couple of bad throws, but plenty of good ones.
He hasn't been great, but he has been serviceable.
Serviceable in a preseason game against backups and guys who will be on practice squads or on the street in three weeks. Against the most vanilla of defensive schemes.
He missed about 3 throws to guys in the backfield. He badly overthrew a pass over the middle that Winfree bailed him out on. He was wildly inaccurate, and mostly a train wreck last night.
This is his third year and this is all he's showing. He's a bust.
Packers know Love is crap too. They just aren't able to admit yet because of the investment in him they're desperately hoping to salvage.
As others said, Rodgers would be long gone if he could play.
Peddle his ass, aina?
#freerocket2022v2
#freeziggy2022
Packers won't win 5 games.
Packers will peddle Love when another team's qb gets hurt and they're desperate to save the season. Etling will be Pack's back-up. Essentially no difference between Love and Etling 'cuz if Rodgers goes down, GB is bf'ed either way, hey?
#freerocket2022v2
#freeziggy2022
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 13, 2022, 12:52:25 PM
Packers will peddle Love when another team's qb gets hurt and they're desperate to save the season. Etling will be Pack's back-up. Essentially no difference between Love and Etling 'cuz if Rodgers goes down, GB is bf'ed either way, hey?
#freerocket2022v2
#freeziggy2022
Packers are toast either way. Rodgers is a born loser
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 13, 2022, 12:52:25 PM
Packers will peddle Love when another team's qb gets hurt and they're desperate to save the season. Etling will be Pack's back-up. Essentially no difference between Love and Etling 'cuz if Rodgers goes down, GB is bf'ed either way, hey?
#freerocket2022v2
#freeziggy2022
Here is a list of all starters and backups in the NFL. Hopefully one of these teams falls in love with Love
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/commanders/every-nfl-teams-starting-and-backup-quarterback-2022
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 13, 2022, 12:52:25 PM
Packers will peddle Love when another team's qb gets hurt and they're desperate to save the season.
Why would a team "desperate to save the season" want an unproven QB who has looked bad in his only opportunities to play?
'Cuz possibly no one else would be available and he'd come cheap, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 13, 2022, 03:21:00 PM
'Cuz possibly no one else would be available and he'd come cheap, hey?
I can see why a team desperate to put a warm body at QB might be interested. I can't see why any team "desperate to save the season" would be.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 12, 2022, 08:56:48 PM
Disagree. A couple of bad throws, but plenty of good ones.
He hasn't been great, but he has been serviceable.
Mitch Trubisky was 'serviceable'. He might get the Packers a 7th rounder in a deal.
Quote from: MU82 on August 13, 2022, 04:02:53 PM
I can see why a team desperate to put a warm body at QB might be interested. I can't see why any team "desperate to save the season" would be.
Our trash is worth something.
Packers need to peddle Rodgers now to a desperate team but they have to keep the "shareholders" happy with false hope
Quote from: Jockey on August 13, 2022, 04:04:36 PM
Mitch Trubisky was 'serviceable'. He might get the Packers a 7th rounder in a deal.
The Bills traded a 7th for Case Keenum, who is old, but was an NFL starter for multiple games each of the last few years.
Baker went for a 5th. Teddy Bridgewater and Gardner Minshew both went for 6th rounders last year.
The only way the Packers get a draft pick back for Love, at this point IMO, is if they toss in a pick like the Bengals did with Ryan Finley a few years ago. I could see Love and a 7th for a 6th or something like that.
My guess is trading him now would bring back a pick conditional on performance and playing time. Starting probably 6th round and improving from there if he hits certain thresholds.
Just a terrible miss by Gutekunst. And they moved up to get him.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 13, 2022, 04:22:44 PM
The Bills traded a 7th for Case Keenum, who is old, but was an NFL starter for multiple games each of the last few years.
Baker went for a 5th. Teddy Bridgewater and Gardner Minshew both went for 6th rounders last year.
The only way the Packers get a draft pick back for Love, at this point IMO, is if they toss in a pick like the Bengals did with Ryan Finley a few years ago. I could see Love and a 7th for a 6th or something like that.
Reasonable.
It would be worth it to trade Love to get him off the payroll.
Use the freed up cap space to pick up a quality veteran at positions of need when they go on sale later in the year .
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 13, 2022, 08:13:37 PM
It would be worth it to trade Love to get him off the payroll.
Use the freed up cap space to pick up a quality veteran at positions of need when they go on sale later in the year .
Going with a 52 man roster?
Interesting grades for Packers after first exhibition
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/13/packers-pff-grades-best-worst-players-from-preseason-opener-vs-49ers/
Rodgers working hard on communications with teammates .
https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/52361/help-wanted-and-welcomed-aaron-rodgers-doing-the-little-things-to-help-green-bay-packers-win-the-big-one
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 14, 2022, 02:39:35 PM
Rodgers working hard on communications with teammates .
https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/52361/help-wanted-and-welcomed-aaron-rodgers-doing-the-little-things-to-help-green-bay-packers-win-the-big-one
He should work hard on being a better son
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34399529/in-next-step-process-green-bay-packers-activate-three-players-pup-list-including-tight-end-robert-tonyan
Rodgers focusing on fundamentals
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34409278/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-frustrated-drops-inconsistency-young-receivers
The Packers' new toy (https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1559208811742765057?s=20&t=eO4-zJFw_jtQ34WCyWbR1w) is a pretty cool piece of tech.
Packers exhibition tonight against Saints.
Will be interesting to see how the Packers young receivers respond to Aaron Rodgers rant earlier this week.
Packers up 13-10 at half . Listening to the game on Packer Radio Network
Romeo Doubs with a nice TD Catch
https://mobile.twitter.com/packers/status/1560791903653724160
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 19, 2022, 08:38:47 PM
Romeo Doubs with a nice TD Catch
https://mobile.twitter.com/packers/status/1560791903653724160
Inspired by Rodgers, no doubt. No wonder he's led that team to, like, 6 Super Bowls now. Or is it 7?
Quote from: MU82 on August 19, 2022, 09:50:39 PM
Inspired by Rodgers, no doubt. No wonder he's led that team to, like, 6 Super Bowls now. Or is it 7?
I can't remember either. However many it is, I think it's equal to the total Super Bowls the Panthers and Bears have combined to win in the history of those franchises.
Quote from: WithoutBias on August 19, 2022, 09:59:29 PM
I can't remember either. However many it is, I think it's equal to the total Super Bowls the Panthers and Bears have combined to win in the history of those franchises.
Well, you sure zinged me there!
Watched replay, was hoping Love could have shown more to boost his trade value. That is of course if Pack is willing to throw in the towel on Love, whichI think they are not .
Etling 51 yard TD run was impressive. Packers will be ok with him as a back up after the eventual theoretical Love trade .
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 20, 2022, 07:51:12 AM
Watched replay, was hoping Love could have shown more to boost his trade value. That is of course if Pack is willing to throw in the towel on Love, whichI think they are not .
Etling 51 yard TD run was impressive. Packers will be ok with him as a back up after the eventual theoretical Love trade .
They aren't trading him.
Peddle his ass, aina?
#freerocket2022v2
#freeziggy2022
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/21/packers-pff-grades-best-worst-players-from-preseason-win-over-saints/
Good news Bakhtiari is back practicing .
https://www.packers.com/news/all-pro-left-tackle-david-bakhtiari-returns-to-practice-for-packers-2022
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 21, 2022, 12:20:27 PM
Good news Bakhtiari is back practicing .
https://www.packers.com/news/all-pro-left-tackle-david-bakhtiari-returns-to-practice-for-packers-2022
My source told me he told the Packers to take him off the PUP or cut him so he could sign with Tampa Bay 👀👀
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 21, 2022, 05:33:30 PM
My source told me he told the Packers to take him off the PUP or cut him so he could sign with Tampa Bay 👀👀
He wants to play with The Masked Singer. A real champion.
Rookie Zach Thom playing well. Could possibly be a starter.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/21/packers-rookie-ol-zach-tom-is-playing-like-a-starter-through-two-preseason-games/?itm_source=parsely-api
Christian Watson, back practicing. Making some progress.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/23/splash-play-impressive-adjustment-and-mental-improvements-highlight-christian-watsons-return/
Good opportunity for Love to be showcased for trade tonight. Hopefully, there will be some takers.
Peddle his ass. A couple kickin' tees are better than nothin', hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 25, 2022, 07:36:53 PM
Peddle his ass. A couple kickin' tees are better than nothin', hey?
Additional benefits are the Packers get his salary off their payroll.
Etling can do the same job for less coin.
If #12 goes down, da Pack is bf'd regardless who is the qb, aina?
#freeziggy2022v2toinfinity
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 25, 2022, 08:06:00 PM
If #12 goes down, da Pack is bf'd regardless who is the qb, aina?
#freeziggy2022v2toinfinity
I agree with this analysis
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/25/aaron-rodgers-loved-this-catch-from-packers-rookie-wr-romeo-doubs/
https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/08/27/matt-lafleur-criticizes-packers-special-team-performance/7919686001/
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/dick-butkus-packers-passing-game-like-playing-fetch
Ray Nitschke was better anyway.
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/08/29/green-bay-packers-legend-dave-robinson-auctions-super-bowl-i-ii-rings/7928526001/
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 30, 2022, 07:43:35 AM
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/08/29/green-bay-packers-legend-dave-robinson-auctions-super-bowl-i-ii-rings/7928526001/
Met Dave once at the Sports Show. Very nice guy.
Danny Etling cut means Jordan Love most likely sticking around.
Did people think that Love wasn't going to be here? There is no way they were throwing in the towel yet.
Vikes dumping Mond. Watch & learn, scrubs!
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 30, 2022, 11:01:01 AM
Did people think that Love wasn't going to be here? There is no way they were throwing in the towel yet.
.
The GM for the Packers wisely ignores the owner(s)
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 30, 2022, 11:01:01 AM
Did people think that Love wasn't going to be here? There is no way they were throwing in the towel yet.
Yeah I don't get it. Nobody was ever going to give anything for Jordan Love.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/30/green-bay-packers-initial-53-man-roster-2022-season-position/
Excellent interview with Aaron Rodgers. Talks about todays practice and then goes into a lot of details on the roster and roster construction . Very candid .
https://www.packers.com/video/aaron-rodgers-it-was-the-best-practice-of-camp
Feeling very good about the potential of this years Packer Squad. Defense is going to be very strong. Offense will miss #17 for sure. However , offense will be more diversified which may make the team less predictable . Special teams need work, Seems like the emphasis is on having players with special team experience , rather than throwing young guys in there .
Finally, The NFC North still sucks , so winning the division is highly likely . 12 seems highly engaged and focused after the debacle of the 49ers playoff game .
Packers pick up a quality special teams player off the waiver wire
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/31/packers-gm-new-safety-rudy-ford-is-one-of-the-better-gunners-in-nfl/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 01, 2022, 11:00:39 AM
Packers pick up a quality special teams player off the waiver wire
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/31/packers-gm-new-safety-rudy-ford-is-one-of-the-better-gunners-in-nfl/
Too bad he's on a team that doesn't value special teams
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2022, 12:08:47 PM
Too bad he's on a team that doesn't value special teams
Packers signed a new special teams Head Coach and are making an effort to guys dedicated to special teams.
Hopefully it works out for the Packers.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 01, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
Packers signed a new special teams Head Coach and are making an effort to guys dedicated to special teams.
Hopefully it works out for the Packers.
Looks promising so far
They should fix the offense that only scored 10 at home against the 49ers at Lambeau last January
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2022, 12:34:26 PM
Looks promising so far
They should fix the offense that only scored 10 at home against the 49ers at Lambeau last January
I think the offense will be more diversified. Offensive Line should be better too.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 01, 2022, 12:37:19 PM
I think the offense will be more diversified. Offensive Line should be better too.
We'll have to see what Coach Rodgers has drawn up
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2022, 12:34:26 PM
Looks promising so far
They should fix the offense that only scored 10 at home against the 49ers at Lambeau last January
Rodgers chakras were all blocked up. The time in the desert with the witch has taken care of all that. You'll see.
NFC North is going to be better than people think.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 01, 2022, 10:35:16 PM
NFC North is going to be better than people think.
The Packers divisional games should all be hard fought battles .
The question is can the NFC North doing anything outside the division
Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 01, 2022, 10:35:16 PM
NFC North is going to be better than people think.
Go Lions Go
Dongslinger dirtbag
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1565671402115571712?s=21&t=ypfovLxnQ7I_UzstHDbyTA
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 02, 2022, 07:49:51 AM
Dongslinger dirtbag
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1565671402115571712?s=21&t=ypfovLxnQ7I_UzstHDbyTA
Favre is a welfare case - at least morally and intellectually.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 02, 2022, 07:49:51 AM
Dongslinger dirtbag
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1565671402115571712?s=21&t=ypfovLxnQ7I_UzstHDbyTA
Whoooooops.
Da 🐻 🐻❄ 🐻 🐻❄ 🐻 🐻❄
https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/52438/green-bay-packers-defense-looks-good-on-paper-but-on-the-field-it-looks-even-better
Sammy Watkins playing well in practice per #12
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/02/packers-wr-sammy-watkins-making-a-bunch-of-plays-to-finish-out-training-camp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 04, 2022, 11:44:51 AM
Sammy Watkins playing well in practice per #12
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/02/packers-wr-sammy-watkins-making-a-bunch-of-plays-to-finish-out-training-camp/
He'll probably get cut now
Packers complete roster
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-69-man-roster-53-man-roster-16-player-practice-squad/
Packers had drawings made to put a dome on Lambeau. The traditionalists would rather freeze
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=agzmR4pc00A
This is an excellent article on AJ Dillon and his Jewish Heritage
https://www.deseret.com/2022/9/6/23340097/aj-dillon-jewish-green-bay-packers
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 06, 2022, 09:19:41 PM
This is an excellent article on AJ Dillon and his Jewish Heritage
https://www.deseret.com/2022/9/6/23340097/aj-dillon-jewish-green-bay-packers
AJ Dillon supports a quad-state solution
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 06, 2022, 09:03:43 PM
Packers had drawings made to put a dome on Lambeau. The traditionalists would rather freeze
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=agzmR4pc00A
Some of the comments on that video are just the meatballiest...
Anyway, I completely get why they don't do this, but unlike a generation ago, I think the fanbase would do a collective shrug and be fine. As long as they are winning of course. Tickets for December and January games are insanely easy to find because it can be cold and miserable at Lambeau.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on September 07, 2022, 08:43:19 AM
Some of the comments on that video are just the meatballiest...
Anyway, I completely get why they don't do this, but unlike a generation ago, I think the fanbase would do a collective shrug and be fine. As long as they are winning of course. Tickets for December and January games are insanely easy to find because it can be cold and miserable at Lambeau.
One of my old bosses has the cover sheet of the feasibility study framed. Lambeau needs a roof, all football should be indoors.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/07/packers-list-11-players-on-first-injury-report-of-2022-season/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/08/no-changes-to-packers-week-1-injury-report-on-thursday/
Having Jaire back is going to make a big difference for The Packers
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/09/packers-cb-jaire-alexander-hungry-to-get-back-on-the-field-in-week-1/
Any info on what their pre-game meal will be?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/09/packers-ol-david-bakhtiari-and-elgton-jenkins-both-questionable-for-week-1-matt-lafleur-updates-on-others/
No Bakhtiari and Jenkins today
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/11/packers-expected-to-be-without-david-bakhtiari-and-elgton-jenkins-vs-vikings/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 11, 2022, 01:10:58 PM
No Bakhtiari and Jenkins today
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/11/packers-expected-to-be-without-david-bakhtiari-and-elgton-jenkins-vs-vikings/
Bakh won't play until they trade him. He wants out but Rodgers won't let Gutekunst trade him
Peddle his ass, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 11, 2022, 02:06:59 PM
Peddle his ass, hey?
Give the man a chance to win a Super Bowl
Yeah, peddle his ass ta da Bills for Josh Allen, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 11, 2022, 02:41:11 PM
Yeah, peddle his ass ta da Bills for Josh Allen, hey?
Would be an upgrade at QB
Watson filling in MVS' role perfectly.
Put in Love
1st possession - both rookie WRs make mistakes.
AR gonna have to be patient.
Z
Have the packers ever punched the ball in on 4th and Goal from the 1?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
Have the packers ever punched the ball in on 4th and Goal from the 1?
Never, it's an NFL anomaly.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
Have the packers ever punched the ball in on 4th and Goal from the 1?
Z
Joe Barry Carroll is back.
Let Jefferson get his - we'll stop everybody else.
Might need to rethink the preseason strategy.
Aaron looks bewitched
It's not Rodgers fault. Ask him
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2022, 04:18:31 PM
Have the packers ever punched the ball in on 4th and Goal from the 1?
Jerry Kramer and Bart Starr did.
Rodgers is done. Peddle his azz
R-E-L-A-X, The Sequel?
Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2022, 06:27:13 PM
R-E-L-A-X, The Sequel?
Rodgers is done. Stick a fork in him. Trade him for a ham sandwich
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2022, 06:34:04 PM
Rodgers is done. Stick a fork in him. Trade him for a ham sandwich
It's almost like someone put a spell on him.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 11, 2022, 06:38:04 PM
It's almost like someone put a spell on him.
At least he has Randall Cobb back
#9 musta had a Butterfingers candy bar fore breakfast. Peddle his ass, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 11, 2022, 07:18:17 PM
#9 musta had a Butterfingers candy bar fore breakfast. Peddle his ass, hey?
Davante Adams had a nice game
Not the kind of start to the season we wanted.
Hopefully the team can recover for The Bears game
The whole "Packers will be better off with more balance now that Rodgers can't get tunnel vision on Davante" narrative lasted like 5 minutes into the season. So that was fun.
Just bring in OBJ and Antonio Brown please.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 11, 2022, 07:29:08 PM
Not the kind of start to the season we wanted.
Hopefully the team can recover for The Bears game
I think the Bears are heading directly into a buzzsaw. That game could be ugly for the Monsters of the Midway.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 11, 2022, 11:16:14 PM
The whole "Packers will be better off with more balance now that Rodgers can't get tunnel vision on Davante" narrative lasted like 5 minutes into the season. So that was fun.
Just bring in OBJ and Antonio Brown please.
Antonio Brown and Rodgers? Insert Nicholson nodding gif
Skol! I was (pleasantly) surprised at how bad Green Bey looked.
Don't worry guys... we'll rep the North well in the playoffs!!
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 12, 2022, 09:08:48 AM
Skol! I was (pleasantly) surprised at how bad Green Bey looked.
Don't worry guys... we'll rep the North well in the playoffs!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0XGMCeU-I
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/stars-studs-and-duds-from-packers-23-7-loss-to-vikings-in-week-1/
A couple of douchenozzles hard at work in Mississippi ...
https://mississippitoday.org/2022/09/13/phil-bryant-brett-favre-welfare/
Former Gov. Phil Bryant helped Brett Favre secure welfare funding for USM volleyball stadium, texts reveal
Never-before-seen text messages show former Gov. Phil Bryant tried to shepherd a proposal to use welfare funds on the construction of a new volleyball stadium for retired NFL player Brett Favre – a project prosecutors have called a scheme to defraud the government. Bryant has previously denied any involvement with the project, which has emerged as the centerpiece of a massive criminal scandal in which prominent officials misspent or stole millions in welfare funds intended for the nation's poorest residents.
So Favre's claims that he didn't know where the money came from and that he never talked to the governor about it were just out-and-out lies.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on September 14, 2022, 12:27:05 PM
So Favre's claims that he didn't know where the money came from and that he never talked to the governor about it were just out-and-out lies.
Yea there was a lot of plausible deniability about source of funds knowledge for awhile, but that vanished rather quickly
The author that wrote Farve's book calling him a bad man and not to buy the book: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/09/13/brett-favre-biographer-blasts-ex-packers-quarterback/10372282002/
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on September 14, 2022, 12:55:41 PM
The author that wrote Farve's book calling him a bad man and not to buy the book: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/09/13/brett-favre-biographer-blasts-ex-packers-quarterback/10372282002/
Is it too cynical to point out that the author's book came out in 2016 and this is merely an opportunity he is taking to remind everyone that it exists, and thus bump sales?
Thank god Packers fans can look up to Bart Starr
Quote from: TSmith34 on September 14, 2022, 02:08:06 PM
Is it too cynical to point out that the author's book came out in 2016 and this is merely an opportunity he is taking to remind everyone that it exists, and thus bump sales?
That was my 1st thought, as well.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on September 14, 2022, 12:55:41 PM
The author that wrote Farve's book calling him a bad man and not to buy the book: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/09/13/brett-favre-biographer-blasts-ex-packers-quarterback/10372282002/
Must bea a Bare's phan, aina?
Two back offense could get over used
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/15/packers-have-to-be-mindful-of-how-often-aj-dillon-and-aaron-jones-are-utilized-together/
Rookie WR development may allow Lazard to play more in the slot
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/16/more-opportunities-for-packers-rookie-wrs-means-more-slot-snaps-for-allen-lazard/
"If you were to pay me, is there any way the media can find out where it came from and how much?"
— Favre text message
Quote from: MU82 on September 16, 2022, 09:19:14 PM
"If you were to pay me, is there any way the media can find out where it came from and how much?"
— Favre text message
Should've laundered it through Copper Fit.
Quote from: MU82 on September 16, 2022, 09:19:14 PM
"If you were to pay me, is there any way the media can find out where it came from and how much?"
— Favre text message
He's still on the radio in Milwaukee talking football with his good pal, Mark Chmura
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/18/packers-wr-allen-lazard-ankle-expected-to-play-vs-bears-in-week-2/
Looking forward to The Packers adding another win to the series total versus the Bears tonight
Not exactly an inspiring start.
Cobb is a reliable player.
Some real weak sauce in the middle of this defense.
Clark, Campbell, Walker, Amos, savage MIA tonite.
Bears still suck...
Packers have an impressive ground attack.
Rodgers spread the ball around to a lot of different receivers
Was a good win for the Lambeau faithful
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 19, 2022, 06:30:53 AM
Packers have an impressive ground attack.
Rodgers spread the ball around to a lot of different receivers
Was a good win for the Lambeau faithful
His receivers are trash. Bet he wishes he had a GM that could get him a Davante Adams or Tyreek Hill
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 19, 2022, 06:30:53 AM
Packers have an impressive ground attack.
Rodgers spread the ball around to a lot of different receivers
Was a good win for the Lambeau faithful
Good win for the Pack is right. "The Bears are who we thought they are", a 1-3 win team with little NFL talent and in total rebuild. Impressive wins over the Bears would be something like 42-7.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 19, 2022, 11:40:13 AM
Good win for the Pack is right. "The Bears are who we thought they are", a 1-3 win team with little NFL talent and in total rebuild. Impressive wins over the Bears would be something like 42-7.
They already have 1 win. They play in the NFC North. There are a lot of bad NFL teams. They could win 3 of their next four. They stink, but so do many teams.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 19, 2022, 11:40:13 AM
Good win for the Pack is right. "The Bears are who we thought they are", a 1-3 win team with little NFL talent and in total rebuild. Impressive wins over the Bears would be something like 42-7.
Yea, given your recent assessments on the Bears, this points to them being 6-11 to 8-9. First they could go 0-17. Then it was going to be "ugly" yesterday. Now they are still only a 1-3 win team. Not sure who had some unrealistic expectations. Seems like anyone who didn't expect them to be 0-17 or 1-16 needs to be course corrected by you.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 19, 2022, 07:13:39 AM
His receivers are trash. Bet he wishes he had a GM that could get him a Davante Adams or Tyreek Hill
where would that money come from tho?
Quote from: TSmith34 on September 19, 2022, 01:32:26 PM
Ayahuasca ain't cheap, buddy.
Nobody wants to play with him, anyway
Quote from: wadesworld on September 19, 2022, 12:05:49 PM
They already have 1 win. They play in the NFC North. There are a lot of bad NFL teams. They could win 3 of their next four. They stink, but so do many teams.
The North might be the best division in the NFC
Mike Evans received a one game suspension for shoving Marshon Lattimore in the Bucs Saints brawl on Sunday. One less quality receiver for the Packers to worry about now.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 19, 2022, 06:53:34 PM
Mike Evans received a one game suspension for shoving Marshon Lattimore in the Bucs Saints brawl on Sunday. One less quality receiver for the Packers to worry about now.
The league is rigged for the Packers. It's sickening
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 19, 2022, 06:53:34 PM
Mike Evans received a one game suspension for shoving Marshon Lattimore in the Bucs Saints brawl on Sunday. One less quality receiver for the Packers to worry about now.
He most definitely deserved to be suspended.
https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-teammates-appear-to-reference-aaron-rodgers-ayahuasca-use-in-td-celebration-023554465.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 20, 2022, 11:46:51 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-teammates-appear-to-reference-aaron-rodgers-ayahuasca-use-in-td-celebration-023554465.html
Terrible example for the kids. Disgusting what society has become
I hope the next TD celebration references AR's witch use
Petrocelli, dis kountry iz sew fooked up, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 20, 2022, 12:02:42 PM
Petrocelli, dis kountry iz sew fooked up, aina?
Rodgers illicit drug use and cheering by Packers fans for him makes me sick. Where's Brent Favre when you need him? SMDH
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2022, 11:50:45 AM
Terrible example for the kids. Disgusting what society has become
We must protect the children. I worry about the carnage to these precious, delicate human beings.
They are our future, for God's sake.
1st CRT and now THIS!?
https://www.espn.com/blog/tampa-bay-buccaneers/post/_/id/25822/without-mike-evans-are-the-tampa-bay-buccaneers-in-trouble-against-aaron-rodgers-and-the-green-bay-packers
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 20, 2022, 01:17:28 PM
https://www.espn.com/blog/tampa-bay-buccaneers/post/_/id/25822/without-mike-evans-are-the-tampa-bay-buccaneers-in-trouble-against-aaron-rodgers-and-the-green-bay-packers
What a terrible article. Might be the worst thing I've ever read
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2022, 01:27:29 PM
What a terrible article. Might be the worst thing I've ever read
Have you read any of 4ever's posts?
Aaron Rodgers speaks of the End Zone Celebration
https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1572292505265401857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1572292505265401857%7Ctwgr%5E432c064b9748f4f7562607fd0e74c5a20f4fc42f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-941627932274286061.ampproject.net%2F2209072154000%2Fframe.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 20, 2022, 03:56:15 PM
Aaron Rodgers speaks of the End Zone Celebration
https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1572292505265401857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1572292505265401857%7Ctwgr%5E432c064b9748f4f7562607fd0e74c5a20f4fc42f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-941627932274286061.ampproject.net%2F2209072154000%2Fframe.html
I like his stance drugs can't come from weeds. Going through his stoner phase at age 40 is quite the midlife crisis. Wonder how many Pink Floyd The Wall stickers he has hung up on his locker
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2022, 04:14:09 PM
I like his stance drugs can't come from weeds. Going through his stoner phase at age 40 is quite the midlife crisis. Wonder how many Pink Floyd The Wall stickers he has hung up on his locker
Don't forget his galaxy mind tattoo
Quote from: JWags85 on September 20, 2022, 04:30:51 PM
Don't forget his galaxy mind tattoo
It's a pretty deep tattoo, man. He found it at Hot Topic
Things keep getting worse for The Bucs. Akiem Hicks is now hurt. When they signed a Bears defective products what did they expect ?
Packers run game will have a field day.
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2022/09/report-akiem-hicks-may-miss-a-month/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 20, 2022, 05:20:01 PM
Things keep getting worse for The Bucs. Akiem Hicks is now hurt. When they signed a Bears defective products what did they expect ?
Packers run game will have a field day.
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2022/09/report-akiem-hicks-may-miss-a-month/
What about the Buccs run game? Packers run defense has been far worse
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 20, 2022, 11:46:51 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-teammates-appear-to-reference-aaron-rodgers-ayahuasca-use-in-td-celebration-023554465.html
love it. Want to see more of it and continue to drive Bears fans crazy 🤪
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2022, 04:14:09 PM
I like his stance drugs can't come from weeds. Going through his stoner phase at age 40 is quite the midlife crisis. Wonder how many Pink Floyd The Wall stickers he has hung up on his locker
23-5 record against the Bears while stoned to the bejeezus is pretty impressive.
Well not really, it's the Bears...
Quote from: TSmith34 on September 20, 2022, 06:22:35 PM
23-5 record against the Bears while stoned to the bejeezus is pretty impressive.
Well not really, it's the Bears...
You could take a group of kindergartners and go 23-5 against the Bears
Should be able to exploit weak Bucs offensive line
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/20/packers-dl-kenny-clark-producing-dominant-start-to-2022-as-a-pass-rusher/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 20, 2022, 07:30:18 PM
Should be able to exploit weak Bucs offensive line
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/20/packers-dl-kenny-clark-producing-dominant-start-to-2022-as-a-pass-rusher/
This is a good point. The Bears and Vikings have two of the best lines in football
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2022, 07:18:37 PM
You could take a group of kindergartners and go 23-5 against the Bears
What if the kindergartners were coached by a one Mike Ditka?
Quote from: Retire0 on September 20, 2022, 08:23:14 PM
What if the kindergartners were coached by a one Mike Ditka?
28-0 and the sun would implode
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2022, 07:35:00 PM
This is a good point. The Bears and Vikings have two of the best lines in football
"Best lines" of coke?
Is Rodgers poised to break the Florida Jinx
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2022/09/aaron-rodgers-sad-history-in-tampa/#more-306080
Keeps looking better and better this week for The Packers against the injured Bucs
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2022/09/bucs-injury-woes-mount/#more-306174
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 21, 2022, 09:27:34 PM
Keeps looking better and better this week for The Packers against the injured Bucs
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2022/09/bucs-injury-woes-mount/#more-306174
Only way Rodgers can beat Brady
Rodgers has a game plan to win against the Bucs .
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/22/aaron-rodgers-has-some-ideas-on-how-packers-can-beat-buccaneers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 22, 2022, 06:26:30 PM
Rodgers has a game plan to win against the Bucs .
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/22/aaron-rodgers-has-some-ideas-on-how-packers-can-beat-buccaneers/
Well, it's not January for starters, so he has a better chance
Looks like both teams are going to be running the ball a lot this week
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/22/packers-buccaneers-aaron-rodgers-tom-brady-run-games-week-3-aaron-jones-leonard-fournette/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 22, 2022, 06:26:30 PM
Rodgers has a game plan to win against the Bucs .
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/22/aaron-rodgers-has-some-ideas-on-how-packers-can-beat-buccaneers/
Didn't read it but does Rodgers include scoring more points than the Bucs in his plan? The analytics guys can check me on this but I think that's one of the better Win/Loss indicators. But I might have that confused with 'yards after the catch'.
Sammi Watkins has a hard time staying healthy
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/analyzing-packers-final-injury-report-for-week-3-vs-buccaneers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 23, 2022, 04:54:21 PM
Sammi Watkins has a hard time staying healthy
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/analyzing-packers-final-injury-report-for-week-3-vs-buccaneers/
My source inside the Packers locker room said Rodgers doesn't like Watkins
Sammy Watkins now on IR... Out for 4 gm minimum ! ! ! 8-)
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on September 24, 2022, 01:45:04 PM
Sammy Watkins now on IR... Out for 4 gm minimum ! ! ! 8-)
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/24/packers-place-wr-sammy-watkins-hamstring-on-injured-reserve/
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on September 24, 2022, 01:45:04 PM
Sammy Watkins now on IR... Out for 4 gm minimum ! ! ! 8-)
He does this every year.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 24, 2022, 02:27:05 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/24/packers-place-wr-sammy-watkins-hamstring-on-injured-reserve/
Rodgers wants him out. Look for him to get traded or cut. My inside source says Rodgers wants Kumerow back regardless of cost
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2022, 04:56:47 PM
Rodgers wants him out. Look for him to get traded or cut. My inside source says Rodgers wants Kumerow back regardless of cost
Word is Rodgers called in Spackler to deal with the hamstring hoping Watkins will quit the game.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-LWb71QCkVE/mqdefault.jpg)
I observed Lots of Optimistic Packers fans on the plane heading to Tampa.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 24, 2022, 05:23:30 PM
I observed Lots of Optimistic Packers fans on the plane heading to Tampa.
ayahuasca?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2022, 04:56:47 PM
Rodgers wants him out. Look for him to get traded or cut. My inside source says Rodgers wants Kumerow back regardless of cost
Nah, ya herd rong. Its Bill Schroeder orr or bust, aina?
Bakhtiari may be back today. Would be a huge plus for The Packers cause
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/bakhtiari-expected-to-play-vs-buccaneers
Bakhtiari really making a difference today for Packers . Rodgers looked comfortable on first drive
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 25, 2022, 03:49:03 PM
Bakhtiari really making a difference today for Packers . Rodgers looked comfortable on first drive
I'm at the game. He was holding the whole drive but the league is rigged
Super clutch on 3rd downs so far. Couldn't ask for a better start.
Packers have this game comfortably under control.
Bucs have no offense .
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 25, 2022, 05:17:23 PM
Packers have this game comfortably under control.
Bucs have no offense .
And the Packers have the refs on their side like usual.
Nice to see Rodgers show up in an important game
Quality win for The Packers . This gives the team some momentum .
Do the packers win that game with the previous special teams? The running into the kicker was a bad call and the punter was really solid.
Big game for GB. Probably see TB again in playoffs.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/9-standouts-from-packers-14-12-win-over-buccaneers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 25, 2022, 06:46:46 PM
Quality win for The Packers . This gives the team some momentum .
Momentum isn't real
Rodgers surveillance may have contributed to Bucs 2 Point Failure
https://bucswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/26/nfl-bucs-packers-aaron-rodgers-jumbotron-2-point-conversion/
Game ball goes to De'Vondre Campbell for that tip.
Romeo playing well
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/26/inside-the-hot-start-to-romeo-doubs-rookie-season-for-packers/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/26/early-optimism-that-packers-cb-jaire-alexander-avoided-significant-injury/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 27, 2022, 06:22:11 AM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/26/early-optimism-that-packers-cb-jaire-alexander-avoided-significant-injury/
He got paid and became injury prone. Another packers bust
Packers Special teams have improved
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/27/rudy-ford-and-keisean-nixon-making-huge-difference-on-packers-punt-coverage-unit/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/29/packers-wr-romeo-doubs-named-pepsi-nfl-rookie-of-the-week-for-week-3/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/analyzing-packers-final-injury-report-for-week-4-vs-patriots/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/6-standouts-from-packers-27-24-win-over-patriots/
Rodgers calls for more opportunities for Cobb
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/06/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-randall-cobb-deserves-more-opportunities/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 06, 2022, 01:20:24 PM
Rodgers calls for more opportunities for Cobb
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/06/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-randall-cobb-deserves-more-opportunities/
For what? Getting hurt?
https://www.packers.com/news/third-and-clutch-randall-cobb-shines-in-go-to-moments
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 06, 2022, 01:20:24 PM
Rodgers calls for more opportunities for Cobb
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/06/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-randall-cobb-deserves-more-opportunities/
agree! randy is a veteran, he and aaron know each other, and he isn't afraid to catch the heaters in the middle
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/giants-defensive-coordinator-compares-rodgers-to-python
Rematch of the 1962 NFL Championship today in London
https://nypost.com/2022/10/09/giants-face-big-test-vs-aaron-rodgers-packers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 09, 2022, 07:21:19 AM
Rematch of the 1962 NFL Championship today in London
https://nypost.com/2022/10/09/giants-face-big-test-vs-aaron-rodgers-packers/
Also a rematch of the 2011 NFC Divisional Playoff game
Rodgers wanted to air it out this game. So far he is staying on that plan.
Weak a$$ defense.
Quote from: Jockey on October 09, 2022, 10:41:50 AM
Weak a$$ defense.
They've given up 13 points through 3 quarters. Calm down.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2022, 10:45:30 AM
They've given up 13 points through 3 quarters. Calm down.
They can't get off the field though. Walker is getting lost out there.
Just a terrible set of plays on that 3 and out. Defense is gassed.
Wow. What was that call on the Giants?
Douglas has had a ROUGH day.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2022, 10:45:30 AM
They've given up 13 points through 3 quarters. Calm down.
Good call.
Quote from: Jockey on October 09, 2022, 11:08:08 AM
Good call.
They're 7th in points per game given up. 6th in yards per game given up. When you're on the field an entire half, you're going to give up a couple drives. The defense isn't the issue with the Packers.
The problem with the Packers is the QB. He's a loser and it permeates the rest of the organization.
Wow. That play had no chance!
Should have stuck with the run. Both of those plays were awful.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 09, 2022, 11:24:05 AM
Should have stuck with the run. Both of those plays were awful.
They reminded me of Bears plays with Nagy.
Giant defense line came through in the clutch
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 09, 2022, 11:25:30 AM
They reminded me of Bears plays with Nagy.
Lol. Yeah that's exactly what that was.
That's a really bad loss in conference.
This could be the end of the Rodgers era in GB. They just don't look that good to me.
Game ball to Giant Defensive line
Just a terrible effort on both sides in that second half. They took that timeout early during a nice drive, got sacked, and it was all downhill from there.
Just a bad loss.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2022, 11:19:04 AM
They're 7th in points per game given up. 6th in yards per game given up. When you're on the field an entire half, you're going to give up a couple drives. The defense isn't the issue with the Packers.
::) Yes. The D is great because they stopped the Bears and NE with a backup QB.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 09, 2022, 11:36:59 AM
Just a terrible effort on both sides in that second half. They took that timeout early during a nice drive, got sacked, and it was all downhill from there.
Just a bad loss.
Spot on.
You could have included the coaching, too. 65% pass - 35% run.
Hot take...the Packers are kinda average.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 09, 2022, 11:40:24 AM
Hot take...the Packers are kinda average.
Is it a hot take if everyone can see it? ;)
Quote from: Jockey on October 09, 2022, 11:37:24 AM
::) Yes. The D is great because they stopped the Bears and NE with a backup QB.
Defense 7th in PPG allowed. Offense 21st in PPG. But the defense is the problem. Uh huh.
Rodgers sucks. Throwing 3 deep balls with no chance going 3 and out after the giants tied the game at 20. Great way to let your defense rest.
Two no chance balls from the 4 to tie the game.
Defense gave up a lot of 1st downs.
Shitty call by refs to start the second half changing a sack and 2nd and 16 to a 10 yard penalty and 1st down for the giants.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 09, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
Rodgers sucks. Throwing 3 deep balls with no chance going 3 and out after the giants tied the game at 20. Great way to let your defense rest.
Two no chance balls from the 4 to tie the game.
Defense gave up a lot of 1st downs.
crapty call by refs to start the second half changing a sack and 2nd and 16 to a 10 yard penalty and 1st down for the giants.
It was a clear penalty. Douglas (Savage?) grabbed him.
Rodgers is a loser
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 09, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
Rodgers sucks. Throwing 3 deep balls with no chance going 3 and out after the giants tied the game at 20. Great way to let your defense rest.
Two no chance balls from the 4 to tie the game.
Defense gave up a lot of 1st downs.
crapty call by refs to start the second half changing a sack and 2nd and 16 to a 10 yard penalty and 1st down for the giants.
I agree with this analysis
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2022, 11:51:21 AM
Defense 7th in PPG allowed. Offense 21st in PPG. But the defense is the problem. Uh huh.
DVOA has had the Pack defense smack dab in the middle all season. Not saying they are the problem, but this isn't a great defense, and they've gone up against some really bad offenses thus far.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2022, 11:51:21 AM
Defense 7th in PPG allowed. Offense 21st in PPG. But the defense is the problem. Uh huh.
Kirk Cousins
Justin Fields
Tom Brady sans receivers
Bailey Zappe
Daniel Jones
Not exactly Murderer's Row.
Like Dish said, the defense may not be the problem, but I wouldn't hang my hat on them either.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 09, 2022, 02:12:06 PM
Kirk Cousins
Justin Fields
Tom Brady sans receivers
Bailey Zappe
Daniel Jones
Not exactly Murderer's Row.
Like Dish said, the defense may not be the problem, but I wouldn't hang my hat on them either.
The defense is fine. In today's NFL, fine is fine
Quote from: Pakuni on October 09, 2022, 02:12:06 PM
Kirk Cousins
Justin Fields
Tom Brady sans receivers
Bailey Zappe
Daniel Jones
Not exactly Murderer's Row.
Like Dish said, the defense may not be the problem, but I wouldn't hang my hat on them either.
Nobody's hanging their hat on the defense. But crying about it is pretty silly. The defense is fine. The offense being unable to put a drive together is the issue.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2022, 02:53:04 PM
Nobody's hanging their hat on the defense. But crying about it is pretty silly. The defense is fine. The offense being unable to put a drive together is the issue.
The QB refuses to run the ball. People will pin that on LaFleur but it's the QB
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/09/packers-pass-defense-comes-up-short-against-giants/
Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 09, 2022, 11:40:24 AM
Hot take...the Packers are kinda average.
So is Rodgers, since the SF playoff game last year. Can't seem to read the field anymore, lost his pinpoint accuracy, and his deep balls suck. Sad.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 09, 2022, 11:40:24 AM
Hot take...the Packers are kinda average.
The good thing is they still play in the NFC North. Average wins you the division in the North.
Quote from: TSmith34 on October 10, 2022, 09:56:19 AM
So is Rodgers, since the SF playoff game last year. Can't seem to read the field anymore, lost his pinpoint accuracy, and his deep balls suck. Sad.
$50M doesn't buy you what it used to.
Quote from: MU82 on October 10, 2022, 11:01:10 AM
$50M doesn't buy you what it used to.
Rodgers is the smartest guy in the room. He'll figure it out. By figuring it out, I mean who to blame that isn't him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2022, 03:21:26 PM
The QB refuses to run the ball. People will pin that on LaFleur but it's the QB
Yea, I think he gets ultimate discretion at the line. We have no idea the run/pass mix that's being called. Also, LaFleur isnt going to call out Rodgers in the media.
Also, agree with the point regarding the deep ball. I don't know the last time Rodgers has been reliable on that. It seems like he's always 5 yards too far.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 10, 2022, 11:26:11 AM
Yea, I think he gets ultimate discretion at the line. We have no idea the run/pass mix that's being called. Also, LaFleur isnt going to call out Rodgers in the media.
Also, agree with the point regarding the deep ball. I don't know the last time Rodgers has been reliable on that. It seems like he's always 5 yards too far.
I think on a lot of deep shots, the WR holds as much blame as the QB. The deep ball from a lot of QBs is awful in the league right now
I knew the Giants would win. My d-i-l went to the game. Her father takes her to a game away from Lambeau every year and they always lose (see Giants in 2013).
Some interesting names on these grading lists.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/10/packers-pff-grades-best-worst-players-from-week-5-loss-to-giants/
The Packers are reaping what they sowed through a lot of hubris in their last couple of drafts. They drafted luxury (Love) or niche (DeGuara) players consistently in years past, and positions that have not historically been high-value returns (DT, ILB). They traded 2 2nd round picks for a what is currently a gadget player.
Talent wins out, and the Packers seemingly believed they could coach subpar talent into a contender. Thus far, they're wrong.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 11, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
The Packers are reaping what they sowed through a lot of hubris in their last couple of drafts. They drafted luxury (Love) or niche (DeGuara) players consistently in years past, and positions that have not historically been high-value returns (DT, ILB). They traded 2 2nd round picks for a what is currently a gadget player.
Talent wins out, and the Packers seemingly believed they could coach subpar talent into a contender. Thus far, they're wrong.
I think you are spot on here. I have never been a fan of Gutey's draft philosophy.
On the other hand, we all knew the beginning of the season was going to be rough, especially on offense. And I have always believed you try to build momentum through the middle of the season to be at your best late in the season. I still think that is very possible with this offense if they stay healthy.
The defense, on the other hand has been extremely disappointing. They were expected by many to be Top 5 or at least close to it. Instead they have been very average while going against a bunch of bums at QB. I worry what will happen when they play better than average offenses and QBs.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 11, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
The Packers are reaping what they sowed through a lot of hubris in their last couple of drafts. They drafted luxury (Love) or niche (DeGuara) players consistently in years past, and positions that have not historically been high-value returns (DT, ILB). They traded 2 2nd round picks for a what is currently a gadget player.
Talent wins out, and the Packers seemingly believed they could coach subpar talent into a contender. Thus far, they're wrong.
Eh. The players are fine. The ability to reign in Rodgers' ego is too difficult, and the defense is playing Barry's zone when they should be playing man defense.
Just a lot of stupid crap that should be put squarely on the shoulders of MLF.
I think Gutey has by and large been fine. I just think he has been devaluing the WR position too much.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 11, 2022, 03:52:30 PM
Eh. The players are fine. The ability to reign in Rodgers' ego is too difficult, and the defense is playing Barry's zone when they should be playing man defense.
Just a lot of stupid crap that should be put squarely on the shoulders of MLF.
MLF is terrified of Rodgers. Say what you will about McCarthy and Thompson but when they had the chance to extract themselves from the Dongslinger, they didn't hesitate and were better for it
Rodgers says thumb should be ready by Game Day
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/12/packers-aaron-rodgers-wednesday-interview-thumb-jets-week-six/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 12, 2022, 09:58:09 PM
Rodgers says thumb should be ready by Game Day
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/12/packers-aaron-rodgers-wednesday-interview-thumb-jets-week-six/
Too bad for the Packers
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 12, 2022, 09:58:09 PM
Rodgers says thumb should be ready by Game Day
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/12/packers-aaron-rodgers-wednesday-interview-thumb-jets-week-six/
Making excuses for Sunday already
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 12, 2022, 09:58:09 PM
Rodgers says thumb should be ready by Game Day
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/12/packers-aaron-rodgers-wednesday-interview-thumb-jets-week-six/
Just in time to not hand it off to the best 1-2 punch in football
This article lays out how the Packers have a tough schedule ahead
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/13/brutal-stretch-of-games-travel-coming-up-for-packers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 14, 2022, 06:40:37 AM
This article lays out how the Packers have a tough schedule ahead
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/13/brutal-stretch-of-games-travel-coming-up-for-packers/
Excuse machine propaganda overload
Rumors that Rodgers and the Packers knew before the season started that this is definitely Rodgers last season. I cannot confirm this anywhere but he said it was from an ESPN talking head not named Schefter.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on October 14, 2022, 10:43:20 AM
Rumors that Rodgers and the Packers knew before the season started that this is definitely Rodgers last season. I cannot confirm this anywhere but he said it was from an ESPN talking head not named Schefter.
How he has completely morphed into the Dongslinger is remarkable. Wonder who he throws a back breaking interception to that ends the Packers season
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on October 14, 2022, 10:43:20 AM
Rumors that Rodgers and the Packers knew before the season started that this is definitely Rodgers last season. I cannot confirm this anywhere but he said it was from an ESPN talking head not named Schefter.
Weird way to go out. Why not just retire after Davante moved on?
I'm not trusting any sort of report like this until Rodgers actually announces a retirement. I think he thrives on being in the spotlight and this is just one way the conversation can be about him.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 14, 2022, 11:47:17 AM
Weird way to go out. Why not just retire after Davante moved on?
Cause he's obsessed with being in the spotlight. I don't think he's retiring. I can see him strong arming a move to a West Coast team for another season or 2. SF looking more and more available.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 14, 2022, 12:14:48 PM
Cause he's obsessed with being in the spotlight. I don't think he's retiring. I can see him strong arming a move to a West Coast team for another season or 2. SF looking more and more available.
I'm not looking forward to those future Love vs. Fields match-ups.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 14, 2022, 12:14:48 PM
Cause he's obsessed with being in the spotlight. I don't think he's retiring. I can see him strong arming a move to a West Coast team for another season or 2. SF looking more and more available.
The team that originally spurned him? I've got a bridge to sell you if you think Mr. Rodgers doesn't hold grudges.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 14, 2022, 01:07:05 PM
The team that originally spurned him? I've got a bridge to sell you if you think Mr. Rodgers doesn't hold grudges.
He's play for the Niners in a freaking heartbeat
Keeping it in the family
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/15/packers-lg-jon-runyan-jr-notified-of-5k-fine-from-his-own-dad/
Defense is definitely not the issue with this Packers team.
Rodgers comman them to a -6 yard drive and takes the sack to move them out of field goal range. Wow is he bad.
Shoulda scheduled this game on a Thursday night.
Hey, quick passes work. The prevent defense probably helps too.
Newman and Jenkins are getting beat like red-headed step-children.
Newman is a turnstile.
Hot take:
The NFL is terrible
I don't understand why Jenkins wasn't moved back inside and Nijman slid into the RT position. Couldn't be any worse than what's going on now.
Bring in Love. AR is going to get hurt.
Pack sucks major ass, hey?
Peddle all their asses, aina?
Crean sucks
What's funny is the Packers are fortunate to be 3-3. Two of their wins are borderline fraudulent.
That team is not good.
An embarrassing performance today
With the Lions having a bye week, I appreciate the Packers doing a fair Detroit imitation, so that I don't feel like I am missing anything.
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1581740380936368129?s=46&t=Ny16WIpUnoJz-CbGPV4DJQ
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2022, 03:17:31 PM
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1581740380936368129?s=46&t=Ny16WIpUnoJz-CbGPV4DJQ
Finally, a good hit by a Packer today.
Packers have two road games on a row coming up . Need to get their act together .
Quote from: MU82 on October 16, 2022, 03:43:14 PM
Finally, a good hit by a Packer today.
Hit harder than the defense.
Quote from: Jockey on October 16, 2022, 06:11:23 PM
Hit harder than the defense.
Defense gave up 278 yards. Team gave up 27. 7 were a blocked punt returned for a touchdown. 3 were a fumble that left the Jets already in field goal position. Defense really hasn't been the issue with this team.
Quote from: tower912 on October 16, 2022, 03:14:56 PM
With the Lions having a bye week, I appreciate the Packers doing a fair Detroit imitation, so that I don't feel like I am missing anything.
I'm thinking of getting on the Lions bandwagon early. Plenty of good seats available.
Not for this season. The defense lacks playmakers on the d-line and at linebacker. And for as long as I can remember, Spinal Tap drummers have better health than Lions dbs.
So at least one more draft, particularly if they can get a mauler in the middle and a mlb.
Trade Rodgers for Allen
Pack has won with smoke and mirrors for a long time. Their lack of talent is bitin' 'em in da ass, hey?
The Packers seem to lack the talent they usually have.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 16, 2022, 07:33:39 PM
The Packers seem to lack the talent they usually have.
Cobb, a reliable receiver, going to be out for a while doesn't help.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/16/packers-wr-randall-cob-avoids-season-ending-ankle-injury/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 16, 2022, 08:47:47 PM
Cobb, a reliable receiver, going to be out for a while doesn't help.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/16/packers-wr-randall-cob-avoids-season-ending-ankle-injury/
Robbie Anderson should be available. The Pack should go get him.
Quote from: forgetful on October 16, 2022, 09:52:05 PM
Robbie Anderson should be available. The Pack should go get him.
Please.
Give me AB, OBJ, Gronk, and Anderson.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 16, 2022, 08:47:47 PM
Cobb, a reliable receiver, going to be out for a while doesn't help.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/16/packers-wr-randall-cob-avoids-season-ending-ankle-injury/
Hes's quite reliable at being hurt
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 16, 2022, 02:13:33 PM
I don't understand why Jenkins wasn't moved back inside and Nijman slid into the RT position. Couldn't be any worse than what's going on now.
It's absolutely wild that almost every packer fan I've talked to says this, but MLF and co. can't figure it out.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 16, 2022, 07:07:50 PM
Pack has won with smoke and mirrors for a long time. Their lack of talent is bitin' 'em in da ass, hey?
It's coaching, not talent, which is the problem.
Woj on the sidelines, hey?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 17, 2022, 06:17:59 AM
It's coaching, not talent, which is the problem.
The Coach is blaming The Offensive Line
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/17/matt-lafleur-poor-offensive-line-play-was-no-1-issue-vs-jets/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 17, 2022, 08:00:37 PM
The Coach is blaming The Offensive Line
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/17/matt-lafleur-poor-offensive-line-play-was-no-1-issue-vs-jets/
Oh for sure. Royce Newman was terrible, and Jenkins has also looked terrible at RT.
I'm guessing you'll see Newman on the bench and Jenkins back in at G this week. Yosh headed to RT. If that doesn't fix things, it could be a long season in Green Bay.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/17/aaron-rodgers-if-theres-a-trade-opportunity-i-expect-packers-to-be-in-the-mix/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/18/opposing-gms-are-certain-packers-will-search-for-wr-trade-before-deadline/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 19, 2022, 07:00:02 AM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/18/opposing-gms-are-certain-packers-will-search-for-wr-trade-before-deadline/
Bring Jake Kumerow home
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/sure-handed-tonyan-a-perfect-10-after-knee-injury
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 19, 2022, 08:26:34 AM
Bring Jake Kumerow home
Tony the Tuna will make it happen from above.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34847517/randall-cobb-expected-worst-injury-takes-good-news-return
https://www.yahoo.com/now/quick-passing-game-key-packers-125349314.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 22, 2022, 08:28:30 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/now/quick-passing-game-key-packers-125349314.html
Wonder if Coach Rodgers will go for this
Rodgers says he has the answers wants the keys to car
https://sports.yahoo.com/aaron-rodgers-thinks-he-can-fix-the-packers-broken-offense-should-matt-la-fleur-hand-him-the-keys-014315429.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 22, 2022, 06:22:03 PM
Rodgers says he has the answers wants the keys to car
https://sports.yahoo.com/aaron-rodgers-thinks-he-can-fix-the-packers-broken-offense-should-matt-la-fleur-hand-him-the-keys-014315429.html
Listen to Coach Rodgers. Best GM and coach in the buisness
Yeah, this scheme is the problem. ::) It has lead to two MVP awards and #2, #1 and #1 seeds in the NFC.
Look, I get what he is saying about inexperienced receivers - and I blame Gutey for that. But cmon...every year there is drama with this guy. Remember when he hated the pretty straight forward, West Coast offense scheme that McCarthy used?
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 22, 2022, 06:34:18 PM
Yeah, this scheme is the problem. ::) It has lead to two MVP awards and #2, #1 and #1 seeds in the NFC.
Look, I get what he is saying about inexperienced receivers - and I blame Gutey for that. But cmon...every year there is drama with this guy. Remember when he hated the pretty straight forward, West Coast offense scheme that McCarthy used?
It's never 12's fault and he knows that half the fanbase will side with him
I think after the last couple of years, you'd be surprised on who the fanbase would side with.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 22, 2022, 07:19:12 PM
I think after the last couple of years, you'd be surprised on who the fanbase would side with.
Especially as he has started having more bad throws, bad decisions, and completely missing open receivers (bad reads), because he is fixated on a target (in the past Adams), or just decides he doesn't trust others.
Bahktiari is out
https://twitter.com/byryanwood/status/1584210351511728128?s=46&t=-_HqNjmqaVhzr_NCrVtfJw
Locker room is a mess, Coach is in over his head, GM's roster decisions a disaster and the QB is more worried about enema's than TDs. Burn it down
Still the worst ST in the league.
And why is Amari still employed in GB? Terrible WR and an even worse ST player.
Quote from: Jockey on October 23, 2022, 12:31:14 PM
Still the worst ST in the league.
And why is Amari still employed in GB? Terrible WR and an even worse ST player.
I keep asking myself this same question every game. I'm 100% certain you can find a better player off the streets.
There's a reason Rodgers locked in on Davante. The rest of the pass catchers that Gutey has given him STINK!
Amari needs to be cut. Last time he fumbled, ST coach went out of his way to say he is still his guy.
Quote from: Jockey on October 23, 2022, 12:31:14 PM
Still the worst ST in the league.
And why is Amari still employed in GB? Terrible WR and an even worse ST player.
Questionable call (not a bad call) to negate a TD for the Packers. Looked like the receiver initiated contact, which then would not be illegal contact. But one of those bang-bang type plays that are impossible.
If it wouldn't have been for the league emphasizing to call that this week, it wouldn't have been called.
Any ratings system that has the Packers defense as the 24th best defense and 10th best offense is incredibly flawed.
This game is just terrible.
Utterly embarrassing on both sides of the ball.
Oh, and Special Teams, too.
Quote from: Jockey on October 23, 2022, 02:18:12 PM
Utterly embarrassing on both sides of the ball.
Oh, and Special Teams, too.
The defense is definitely not embarassing. Weak vs the run, sure, but that unit is fine if the offense was functional.
Rodgers has been bad.
Quote from: MUBurrow on October 23, 2022, 02:22:34 PM
The defense is definitely not embarassing. Weak vs the run, sure, but that unit is fine if the offense was functional.
You really don't think this defense is embarrassing?
Quote from: Jockey on October 23, 2022, 02:30:32 PM
You really don't think this defense is embarrassing?
Not really. It's not great but if the offense could put drives together it would be fine.
Quote from: Jockey on October 23, 2022, 02:30:32 PM
You really don't think this defense is embarrassing?
I do not.
Defense Eembarrassing in last 3 games in 2nd half.
Holy crap the offense is bad, imagine if we did not have Rodgers?
:-*
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 23, 2022, 02:36:04 PM
Holy crap the offense is bad, imagine if we did not have Rodgers?
:-*
Maybe then they'd run the ball on 4th and 1
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 23, 2022, 02:36:04 PM
Defense Eembarrassing in last 3 games in 2nd half.
Holy crap the offense is bad, imagine if we did not have Rodgers?
:-*
The defense is on the field too long, because the offense is bad.
Rodgers isn't making things better. He is missing open receivers. He overthrew an open deep receiver by about 20 yards (if it wasn't a horrible throw, it would have been PI and in scoring position). He isn't remotely mobile...can't roll out, which allows the defensive line to just t-up and drive straight at him and collapse the pocket.
Then you have bad communication between Rodgers and the receivers...which is in part because of Rodgers not finding time to work with them in the offseason like other QBs do.
Should have traded him for a haul and rebuilt.
Also, why are there so many completely wide open receivers for every team we play. So many mental mistakes and poor discipline on defense, offense, and ST.
Quote from: forgetful on October 23, 2022, 02:50:19 PM
Also, why are there so many completely wide open receivers for every team we play. So many mental mistakes and poor discipline on defense, offense, and ST.
Because this defense is really bad.
Packers are a joke. Washington as shitty as they are with an average to bad backup QB are marching up and down the field.
Meanwhile the reigning 2 time MVP can barely muster 100 yards in 3 quarters.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 23, 2022, 02:53:52 PM
Packers are a joke. Washington as crapty as they are with an average to bad backup QB are marching up and down the field.
Meanwhile the reigning 2 time MVP can barely muster 100 yards in 3 quarters.
GB has had a run where they have faced 6 bad or backup QBs. The D has still been brutal.
Quote from: Jockey on October 23, 2022, 02:53:34 PM
Because this defense is really bad.
It actually isn't. I know you have been invested in this line since Carroll was named DC, but the defense is fine. They are on the field a ton because the offense isn't giving them any breaks.
Quote from: forgetful on October 23, 2022, 02:46:22 PM
The defense is on the field too long, because the offense is bad.
This. When a defense's weakness is against the run to begin with, and then you put them on the field for 30 minutes the first three quarters, they are going to struggle to get off the field in the second half every time.
Quote from: forgetful on October 23, 2022, 02:46:22 PM
The defense is on the field too long, because the offense is bad.
The defense is on the field too long because THEY are bad. Maybe make a play and get off the field.
Nah, defense sucks, can not get any critical stops. Paid Campbell and Douglas after big FA years and they are now pedestrian. Stokes sucks after good rookie year. Zero pressure from the line.
They have talent, maybe the scheme / D coordinator is the issue?
Quote from: MUBurrow on October 23, 2022, 02:57:36 PM
This. When a defense's weakness is against the run to begin with, and then you put them on the field for 30 minutes the first three quarters, they are going to struggle to get off the field in the second half every time.
It's amazing how much joy the tv crew takes joy in underdog teams beating rodgers and the packers.
Not even an attempt at the hail mary. Instead laterals?
That end summarized perfectly this Packers team.
You guys actually lost to WASHINGTON. Lol.
Careful, the NFL version of KenPom's numbers are about to come out to show us how bad the Packers defense is. And if you don't buy it, you don't know football. Because the offense is definitely a top 10 offense like the numbers show and the defense is a bottom 10 defense.
Quote from: Jockey on October 23, 2022, 03:19:27 PM
The defense is on the field too long because THEY are bad. Maybe make a play and get off the field.
i have got to go with jock on this one-wow they are all bad bad bad. i was going to get out to golf course because i knew the packers weren't playing today, but all the tee times were filled
No way any stat shows the packer offense is top 10.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 23, 2022, 04:16:09 PM
Careful, the NFL version of KenPom's numbers are about to come out to show us how bad the Packers defense is. And if you don't buy it, you don't know football. Because the offense is definitely a top 10 offense like the numbers show and the defense is a bottom 10 defense.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 23, 2022, 04:53:56 PM
No way any stat shows the packer offense is top 10.
Oh trust me. Jockey made sure to tell me I needed to check out the irrefutable DVOA numbers that do not lie and tell the entire picture of a football team. 10th best offense, 24th best defense. You just don't know football if you aren't on the same page as the all important DVOA.
The Packers won't be serious contenders until they get rid of 12.
He's a stone cold loser
Quote from: wadesworld on October 23, 2022, 05:02:32 PM
Oh trust me. Jockey made sure to tell me I needed to check out the irrefutable DVOA numbers that do not lie and tell the entire picture of a football team. 10th best offense, 24th best defense. You just don't know football if you aren't on the same page as the all important DVOA.
I think the transformation is complete. You have morphed into Chicos. Maybe you can move to Idaho, too. You'd fit right in.
Was disappointed with the Pathetic Packer Performance . Have to stop these PPP's soon or the team won't make the Playoffs .
Quote from: Jockey on October 23, 2022, 06:41:11 PM
I think the transformation is complete. You have morphed into Chicos. Maybe you can move to Idaho, too. You'd fit right in.
Totally unnecessary. And untrue.
Quote from: MU82 on October 23, 2022, 10:28:51 PM
Totally unnecessary. And untrue.
Chico was expert at making something up from a post and then arguing against it. Wades does the same
Quote from: Jockey on October 23, 2022, 06:41:11 PM
I think the transformation is complete. You have morphed into Chicos. Maybe you can move to Idaho, too. You'd fit right in.
Aka "I can no longer defend my horrendous take, it's clear you were right but I'm too butthurt to admit it and rather than admit that the offense is the problem I'll just try to redirect the conversation into apparent insults so nobody pays attention to my horrible football takes, after I thought I was being the coolest and smartest guy in the room when I sited DVOA and asked you if you've ever heard of it."
Quote from: Jockey on October 23, 2022, 11:40:12 PM
Chico was expert at making something up from a post and then arguing against it. Wades does the same
Make it up? You didn't say "look at DVOA. If you've ever heard of it" last week? Seems you're the one trying to make stuff up. Odd.
The defense is bad? I mean maybe when the redski.. commanders are on the field for 17 minutes to the Packers 3, ya eventually they will fold.
The commanders didn't complete a pass in the first quarter....
Quote from: #Unleash? on October 24, 2022, 11:58:03 AM
The defense is bad? I mean maybe when the redski.. commanders are on the field for 17 minutes to the Packers 3, ya eventually they will fold.
The commanders didn't complete a pass in the first quarter....
That's been the story of the last three losses. Even a good defense can't function in the 4th quarter if they've been ground down to a nub because the offense views getting first downs and running clock as poison.
Bottom Line: Aaron Rodgers is mortal. Somebody slipped him and Tom Brady some Kryptonite before the season started.
I'm guessing the suppliers were Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and maybe, in Rodgers' case, the rest of the NFC Central.
Both these guys looked pretty pedestrian yesterday.
KC lost Tyreke Hill and went out and signed Schuster and MVS who had 235 yards yesterday.
GB lost Adams and Gutey signed Sammie Watkins - who has 147 yards this season.
Somebody screwed the pooch.
Quote from: jficke13 on October 24, 2022, 12:10:30 PM
That's been the story of the last three losses. Even a good defense can't function in the 4th quarter if they've been ground down to a nub because the offense views getting first downs and running clock as poison.
Why doesn't the other team get tired? GB has run more offensive plays than their opponents this year. Why haven't their defenses worn down?
Glorious.
Yes, the GB offense is bad. Yet they have:
1. More 1st downs than the opponents
2. More 3rd down conversions and at a higher percentage than opponents
3. More total yards
4. More offensive plays
5. 500 more passing yards
6. More TDs
Why do these numbers look like this when they have looked so inept on offense? It's because every team they have played (exc. the Queens) have terrible offenses. I don't remember the last team to play so many bad QBs in a row - game after game.
Yet the defense is so soft and weak that they keep losing. That is why GB's offense has better numbers. Big yardage comes from the passing game and their are zero reasons for any opponent to pass much.
My conclusion is that right now it's a photo finish as to which is worse - offense, defense, or ST. There is no good news right now.
The hardest thing to do in sports is knowing when the rip the band-aid off. Franchises and college programs let coaches and players linger longer than should for a variety of reasons.
There is something admirable in that. Coaches and players can mean a lot to a franchise or program. They could have brought championships and many great moments. It's hard to move on. I don't think it's unnatural or wrong per se to want to let players and coaches go out on their own terms.
When you make that choice, though, the consequences can be harmful short term and long term. The Packers had an opportunity after 2020 to move on from Rodgers. It would have been a bold and controversial choice for the organization. Would it have guaranteed anything? Absolutely not.
We can guess what could of happened, but we don't know. It's my opinion the franchise would have set itself up for greater success. The return would have been a bonanza and could have led to other moves, such as the Adams trade. Transition year or two? Yes, but a good front office parlays those opportunities into a young team primed for success.
Maybe, if 12 plays better in the playoffs or the defense makes a stop against Tampa, the Packers have another ring with 12 and keeping him around was worth it. It didn't happen and while we don't know what would have happened had they traded him, I'm willing to bet the future would look a whole lot better
Quote from: Jockey on October 24, 2022, 02:58:35 PM
Yes, the GB offense is bad. Yet they have:
1. More 1st downs than the opponents
2. More 3rd down conversions and at a higher percentage than opponents
3. More total yards
4. More offensive plays
5. 500 more passing yards
6. More TDs
Why do these numbers look like this when they have looked so inept on offense? It's because every team they have played (exc. the Queens) have terrible offenses. I don't remember the last team to play so many bad QBs in a row - game after game.
Yet the defense is so soft and weak that they keep losing. That is why GB's offense has better numbers. Big yardage comes from the passing game and their are zero reasons for any opponent to pass much.
My conclusion is that right now it's a photo finish as to which is worse - offense, defense, or ST. There is no good news right now.
My two cents is that your analysis has a tendency to overestimate how good (or underestimate how bad?) a "league average" team is. All but like, 5 teams are kinda crappy. So when you say that the Packers defense is embarassing, or that you can't remember a team that has played so many bad QBs in a row, I think that overinflates just what is going on around the rest of the league.
For example, of the QBs the Packers have played say that Heneicke, Fields, Zappe, and Wilson are bad, and Brady, 2022 Danny Rockets, and Cousins are good. Average passing yards per game of the bad = 121 with 0.5 ints, which is fine. And if you say Rockets is actually bad, then how many qbs are good? Because if your cutoff is above Danny Rockets, LOOOTS of teams have had a similar opposing QB profile to the Packers.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2022, 03:09:20 PM
The hardest thing to do in sports is knowing when the rip the band-aid off. Franchises and college programs let coaches and players linger longer than should for a variety of reasons.
There is something admirable in that. Coaches and players can mean a lot to a franchise or program. They could have brought championships and many great moments. It's hard to move on. I don't think it's unnatural or wrong per se to want to let players and coaches go out on their own terms.
When you make that choice, though, the consequences can be harmful short term and long term. The Packers had an opportunity after 2020 to move on from Rodgers. It would have been a bold and controversial choice for the organization. Would it have guaranteed anything? Absolutely not.
We can guess what could of happened, but we don't know. It's my opinion the franchise would have set itself up for greater success. The return would have been a bonanza and could have led to other moves, such as the Adams trade. Transition year or two? Yes, but a good front office parlays those opportunities into a young team primed for success.
Maybe, if 12 plays better in the playoffs or the defense makes a stop against Tampa, the Packers have another ring with 12 and keeping him around was worth it. It didn't happen and while we don't know what would have happened had they traded him, I'm willing to bet the future would look a whole lot better
I'm not a Packer fan and just enjoy seeing Rodgers fail because he's a dingus. So bias noted. But this sounds pretty on point — you can't blame GB for doing everything it could to keep him at the time because his stats/performance were downright otherworldly; but in hindsight, it was the wrong move.
To paraphrase the men in Glengarry, Rodgers is just not a closer.
Seahawks sure made the right tough call. Seahawks in first place in the NFC west. Wilson struggling in Denver (and now hurt), Geno Smith have a good year totally unexpected, good draft picks made with the Denver picks last draft, and poised to get two more high picks this year with Denver struggling. And not saddled with a high QB salary cap hit...
That could have been the Packers if they could have made the tough call...
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2022, 03:09:20 PM
The hardest thing to do in sports is knowing when the rip the band-aid off. Franchises and college programs let coaches and players linger longer than should for a variety of reasons.
There is something admirable in that. Coaches and players can mean a lot to a franchise or program. They could have brought championships and many great moments. It's hard to move on. I don't think it's unnatural or wrong per se to want to let players and coaches go out on their own terms.
When you make that choice, though, the consequences can be harmful short term and long term. The Packers had an opportunity after 2020 to move on from Rodgers. It would have been a bold and controversial choice for the organization. Would it have guaranteed anything? Absolutely not.
We can guess what could of happened, but we don't know. It's my opinion the franchise would have set itself up for greater success. The return would have been a bonanza and could have led to other moves, such as the Adams trade. Transition year or two? Yes, but a good front office parlays those opportunities into a young team primed for success.
Maybe, if 12 plays better in the playoffs or the defense makes a stop against Tampa, the Packers have another ring with 12 and keeping him around was worth it. It didn't happen and while we don't know what would have happened had they traded him, I'm willing to bet the future would look a whole lot better
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2022, 03:09:20 PM
The hardest thing to do in sports is knowing when the rip the band-aid off. Franchises and college programs let coaches and players linger longer than should for a variety of reasons.
There is something admirable in that. Coaches and players can mean a lot to a franchise or program. They could have brought championships and many great moments. It's hard to move on. I don't think it's unnatural or wrong per se to want to let players and coaches go out on their own terms.
When you make that choice, though, the consequences can be harmful short term and long term. The Packers had an opportunity after 2020 to move on from Rodgers. It would have been a bold and controversial choice for the organization. Would it have guaranteed anything? Absolutely not.
We can guess what could of happened, but we don't know. It's my opinion the franchise would have set itself up for greater success. The return would have been a bonanza and could have led to other moves, such as the Adams trade. Transition year or two? Yes, but a good front office parlays those opportunities into a young team primed for success.
Maybe, if 12 plays better in the playoffs or the defense makes a stop against Tampa, the Packers have another ring with 12 and keeping him around was worth it. It didn't happen and while we don't know what would have happened had they traded him, I'm willing to bet the future would look a whole lot better
IDK, it's pretty hard to quibble with two straight #1 seeds. Yeah in the end that doesn't mean anything, but it's hard to imagine that the future would "look a whole lot better" than the last two seasons. You knew it was going to be bad on the back end, but you were hoping that it would have been later than this year.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 24, 2022, 03:54:46 PM
Seahawks sure made the right tough call. Seahawks in first place in the NFC west. Wilson struggling in Denver (and now hurt), Geno Smith have a good year totally unexpected, good draft picks made with the Denver picks last draft, and poised to get two more high picks this year with Denver struggling. And not saddled with a high QB salary cap hit...
That could have been the Packers if they could have made the tough call...
Oh come on.
"If only the Packers would have moved on from Rodgers two years ago, turning a 13-3 season into a .500 season being quarterbacked by the likes of Geno Smith. THEN they would be going places!!!"
Cmon... Russell Wilson isn't Aaron Rodgers. You ride that horse until he dies.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 24, 2022, 03:57:19 PM
IDK, it's pretty hard to quibble with two straight #1 seeds. Yeah in the end that doesn't mean anything, but it's hard to imagine that the future would "look a whole lot better" than the last two seasons. You knew it was going to be bad on the back end, but you were hoping that it would have been later than this year.
That's the rub, I suppose. If the Rams don't win the Super Bowl last year, all their moves look foolish. Winners write the history and all that.
When the stories broke of Rodgers unhappiness in April of '21, that was definitely the time to make the move. It would have made sense financially as well. Maybe we'll get the full story someday about what the conversations really were between 12 and the front office during 2020 but if he was inclined on moving on like reported, they should have pulled the trigger.
QBs rarely walk away on top. Peyton Manning did riding an all-time defense. Packers had the chance to set themselves up moving forward, now their stuck with a bad contract QB
1st place in the West, drafted very well with last's Denver's pick this year (additional 1st and 2nd), and positioned well with Denver's 1st and 2nd this year. And they got Fant and a few other players. And not saddled with a huge QB contract. And still winning with Geno Smith more than Denver is with Wilson...
I would trade places with them at this point - Pack should have moved on last year, not two years ago. Looks like the horse died in the off-season...
https://www.q13fox.com/sports/commentary-wilson-trade-could-prove-to-be-biggest-fleecing-of-an-organization-in-modern-sports-history (https://www.q13fox.com/sports/commentary-wilson-trade-could-prove-to-be-biggest-fleecing-of-an-organization-in-modern-sports-history)
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 24, 2022, 04:00:02 PM
Oh come on.
"If only the Packers would have moved on from Rodgers two years ago, turning a 13-3 season into a .500 season being quarterbacked by the likes of Geno Smith. THEN they would be going places!!!"
Cmon... Russell Wilson isn't Aaron Rodgers. You ride that horse until he dies.
Quote from: Jockey on October 24, 2022, 02:58:35 PM
Yes, the GB offense is bad. Yet they have:
1. More 1st downs than the opponents
2. More 3rd down conversions and at a higher percentage than opponents
3. More total yards
4. More offensive plays
5. 500 more passing yards
6. More TDs
Why do these numbers look like this when they have looked so inept on offense? It's because every team they have played (exc. the Queens) have terrible offenses. I don't remember the last team to play so many bad QBs in a row - game after game.
Yet the defense is so soft and weak that they keep losing. That is why GB's offense has better numbers. Big yardage comes from the passing game and their are zero reasons for any opponent to pass much.
My conclusion is that right now it's a photo finish as to which is worse - offense, defense, or ST. There is no good news right now.
You're smarter than everyone else.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 24, 2022, 05:23:02 PM
You're smarter than everyone else.
No. Just you.
Great analysis, though, on my post ::)
surprised no has wondered if rodgers has been dabbling with some ayahuasca as part of pregame warmups. is there a pee test for this stuff
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2022, 03:09:20 PM
The hardest thing to do in sports is knowing when the rip the band-aid off. Franchises and college programs let coaches and players linger longer than should for a variety of reasons.
There is something admirable in that. Coaches and players can mean a lot to a franchise or program. They could have brought championships and many great moments. It's hard to move on. I don't think it's unnatural or wrong per se to want to let players and coaches go out on their own terms.
When you make that choice, though, the consequences can be harmful short term and long term. The Packers had an opportunity after 2020 to move on from Rodgers. It would have been a bold and controversial choice for the organization. Would it have guaranteed anything? Absolutely not.
We can guess what could of happened, but we don't know. It's my opinion the franchise would have set itself up for greater success. The return would have been a bonanza and could have led to other moves, such as the Adams trade. Transition year or two? Yes, but a good front office parlays those opportunities into a young team primed for success.
Maybe, if 12 plays better in the playoffs or the defense makes a stop against Tampa, the Packers have another ring with 12 and keeping him around was worth it. It didn't happen and while we don't know what would have happened had they traded him, I'm willing to bet the future would look a whole lot better
Bill James had a long essay on this a few years back - only on baseball teams. But I think it applies to other sports as well. Teams that are winning tend to make less changes than losing teams (pretty obvious statement), so as players age and hit the wall as all players eventually do, they tend to be affected more because the guys they pay big and keep around are usually pretty vital to the team's success.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 24, 2022, 04:54:43 PM
1st place in the West, drafted very well with last's Denver's pick this year (additional 1st and 2nd), and positioned well with Denver's 1st and 2nd this year. And they got Fant and a few other players. And not saddled with a huge QB contract. And still winning with Geno Smith more than Denver is with Wilson...
I would trade places with them at this point - Pack should have moved on last year, not two years ago. Looks like the horse died in the off-season...
https://www.q13fox.com/sports/commentary-wilson-trade-could-prove-to-be-biggest-fleecing-of-an-organization-in-modern-sports-history (https://www.q13fox.com/sports/commentary-wilson-trade-could-prove-to-be-biggest-fleecing-of-an-organization-in-modern-sports-history)
Enjoy the Seahawk bandwagon. "Winning the West after Week 7" is a cool banner.
Quote from: Jockey on October 24, 2022, 05:32:49 PM
Bill James had a long essay on this a few years back - only on baseball teams. But I think it applies to other sports as well. Teams that are winning tend to make less changes than losing teams (pretty obvious statement), so as players age and hit the wall as all players eventually do, they tend to be affected more because the guys they pay big and keep around are usually pretty vital to the team's success.
The Packers aren't unique to this. There's probably a set of Steelers and Saints fans arguing this as well.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2022, 05:42:42 PM
The Packers aren't unique to this. There's probably a set of Steelers and Saints fans arguing this as well.
Coaches need to get over that "I can fix him" mentality. Trubisky, Wentz, Winston - they are what they are. They keep showing us.
Quote from: Jockey on October 24, 2022, 05:49:18 PM
Coaches need to get over that "I can fix him" mentality. Trubisky, Wentz, Winston - they are what they are. They keep showing us.
There's talent there, so I get it but for every Geno Smith 7 game run, there is a dozen fails
Quote from: Jockey on October 24, 2022, 02:58:35 PM
Yes, the GB offense is bad. Yet they have:
1. More 1st downs than the opponents
2. More 3rd down conversions and at a higher percentage than opponents
3. More total yards
4. More offensive plays
5. 500 more passing yards
6. More TDs
Why do these numbers look like this when they have looked so inept on offense? It's because every team they have played (exc. the Queens) have terrible offenses. I don't remember the last team to play so many bad QBs in a row - game after game.
Yet the defense is so soft and weak that they keep losing. That is why GB's offense has better numbers. Big yardage comes from the passing game and their are zero reasons for any opponent to pass much.
My conclusion is that right now it's a photo finish as to which is worse - offense, defense, or ST. There is no good news right now.
You do realize that the above bolded elements can actually be an argument for how good the defense has been, right. Especially since the offense has been pedestrian at best.
If you were to dig deeper, it also highlights part of the problem. Turnover differential, where the Pack is the 6th worst in the league.
Quote from: forgetful on October 24, 2022, 05:54:17 PM
You do realize that the above bolded elements can actually be an argument for how good the defense has been, right. Especially since the offense has been pedestrian at best.
I'm not following your reasoning here, Forgetful
Quote from: Jockey on October 24, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
I'm not following your reasoning here, Forgetful
The GB offense is pedestrian. Middle of road across the board (and that may be generous).
So if the pedestrian offense is outperforming their opponents significantly. That means the defense must be doing a decent job holding the opponent down.
For example. We are the 7th worst in the league at 3rd down conversion percentage. So if we are doing a better job there than our opponents, our defense is doing quite well.
The problem is:
1. Turnovers. We fumble too much, and at really bad moments. That makes the defense have to be on the field too long and it wears them down.
2. Rodgers can't scramble, and our O-line hasn't been stellar. So the defense can rush 3 or 4 and have 7 or 8 in coverage, and still pressure Rodgers.
Quote from: Jockey on October 24, 2022, 05:27:35 PM
No. Just you.
Great analysis, though, on my post ::)
When my "analysis" is met with "you even DVOA bro?" Or "you're Chicos!" I don't know how I'm supposed to compete with it. But yeah, I'm the one not providing "analysis."
You keep wondering why our opponents' defenses don't tire like ours does. Well, because their offenses don't take 2 deep shots on first and second down to bad rookie receivers or over the hill veterans and then throw a bubble screen on third and long over and over in the second half. I'd think someone with such a superior football knowledge could see and understand that.
will do, they having way more success than the Packers this year and have a boatload of picks and cap room to do something. Packers likely looking up to Seahawks for the next 5 - 7 years...
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 24, 2022, 05:36:30 PM
Enjoy the Seahawk bandwagon. "Winning the West after Week 7" is a cool banner.
You say 12, I say Erin
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 24, 2022, 09:09:52 PM
will do, they having way more success than the Packers this year and have a boatload of picks and cap room to do something. Packers likely looking up to Seahawks for the next 5 - 7 years...
Maybe.
But that doesn't mean they should have gotten rid of Rodgers last year. You don't get rid of a guy coming off two straight 13 win seasons.
Rodgers showing leadership by pointing the finger again
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-says-packers-make-too-many-mistakes-some-shouldnt-be-playing
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 25, 2022, 07:17:43 PM
Rodgers showing leadership by pointing the finger again
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-says-packers-make-too-many-mistakes-some-shouldnt-be-playing
Shocking
Quote from: #Unleash? on October 25, 2022, 07:23:39 PM
Shocking
All he had to do was throw in an " ... and I am making way too many mistakes, too. I need to do my job better." But he didn't because that's not how he runs.
Quote from: MU82 on October 25, 2022, 08:09:58 PM
All he had to do was throw in an " ... and I am making way too many mistakes, too. I need to do my job better." But he didn't because that's not how he runs.
You mean he wasn't talking about all his mistakes, and questioning whether he should be playing?
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 25, 2022, 07:17:43 PM
Rodgers showing leadership by pointing the finger again
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-says-packers-make-too-many-mistakes-some-shouldnt-be-playing
i cannot recall when rodgers passes have been so consistently off the mark. with the exception of a few, he has been hard to watch. he is reacting badly/not feeling the pressure and getting sacked way too often. they need to design more rollouts for him or something...? time for lefleur to be a little more creative and add a little "trickery"
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on October 26, 2022, 08:35:13 AM
i cannot recall when rodgers passes have been so consistently off the mark. with the exception of a few, he has been hard to watch. he is reacting badly/not feeling the pressure and getting sacked way too often. they need to design more rollouts for him or something...? time for lefleur to be a little more creative and add a little "trickery"
His overall completion percentage is only slightly down, but the ones that he is completing are very short. As of this point, he is setting career lows in both yards per attempt and yards per catch. He just doesn't have the receivers. The young ones might be good someday, but this is the worst group he has had during his career.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/26/aaron-rodgers-on-calling-out-mistakes-publicly-people-in-this-society-have-a-hard-time-hearing-truth-sometimes/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 26, 2022, 10:15:01 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/26/aaron-rodgers-on-calling-out-mistakes-publicly-people-in-this-society-have-a-hard-time-hearing-truth-sometimes/
Everyone can point the finger at Rodgers for these comments, but the coach isn't making them and should be, and that is a serious issue.
MLF has looked like a clown this year fit for some big red shoes.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 27, 2022, 08:00:02 AM
Everyone can point the finger at Rodgers for these comments, but the coach isn't making them and should be, and that is a serious issue.
MLF has looked like a clown this year fit for some big red shoes.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-matt-lafleur-addresses-aaron-rodgers-critical-comments-sometimes-the-truth-hurts/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2022, 08:10:43 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-matt-lafleur-addresses-aaron-rodgers-critical-comments-sometimes-the-truth-hurts/
"Uh yeah, what my associate coach said"
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/30/packers-exploring-trade-market-for-wide-receiver-help/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 30, 2022, 11:33:25 AM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/30/packers-exploring-trade-market-for-wide-receiver-help/
No wideout wants to play with him
Another banner for winning the west after 8 weeks?
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 24, 2022, 05:36:30 PM
Enjoy the Seahawk bandwagon. "Winning the West after Week 7" is a cool banner.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 30, 2022, 06:10:32 PM
Another banner for winning the west after 8 weeks?
Yep! Ride that Geno Smith bandwagon as far as you can!
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 30, 2022, 06:10:32 PM
Another banner for winning the west after 8 weeks?
BTW it doesn't matter how the Seahawks do this year. Your take was dumb. Dropping Russ, who was taking them nowhere, is a lot different than dripping Rodgers.
Let's revisit that after the season when the Seahawks are rolling in their draft picks while packers get nothing for rodgers.
Selling high before a downturn of a valuable trait or a GM. I am not sure you appreciate that.
besides - one can argue that Russell has more in the tank than Rodgers. Seattle made a bold move. Packers ride status quo despite many danger signs.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 30, 2022, 06:39:17 PM
BTW it doesn't matter how the Seahawks do this year. Your take was dumb. Dropping Russ, who was taking them nowhere, is a lot different than dripping Rodgers.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 30, 2022, 06:50:22 PM
Let's revisit that after the season when the Seahawks are rolling in their draft picks while packers get nothing for rodgers.
Selling high before a downturn is a valuable trait or a GM. I am not sure you appreciate that.
besides - one can argue that Russell has more in the tank than Rodgers. Seattle made a bold move. Packers ride status quo despite many danger signs.
Lol no. Russ was not near Rodgers. Having more in the tank doesn't mean anything if the tank is feeding a smaller engine. Russ was already trending down. Denver made a horrid trade and gave him a terrible contract.
No GM is going to trade the reigning MVP who lead their team to the #1 seed. That's just bad, Monday morning QB thinking.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 30, 2022, 06:58:28 PM
Lol no. Russ was not near Rodgers. Having more in the tank doesn't mean anything if the tank is feeding a smaller engine. Russ was already trending down. Denver made a horrid trade and gave him a terrible contract.
No GM is going to trade the reigning MVP who lead their team to the #1 seed. That's just bad, Monday morning QB thinking.
He wanted out and the front office knew it. Should have been a no-brainer
Maybe the packers couldn't pull the trigger on a Rodgers trade cause they did not have a competent starter like Geno in the waiting : Another Packer GM failure.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 30, 2022, 06:58:28 PM
Lol no. Russ was not near Rodgers. Having more in the tank doesn't mean anything if the tank is feeding a smaller engine. Russ was already trending down. Denver made a horrid trade and gave him a terrible contract.
No GM is going to trade the reigning MVP who lead their team to the #1 seed. That's just bad, Monday morning QB thinking.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 30, 2022, 07:03:48 PM
Maybe the packers couldn't pull the trigger on a Rodgers trade cause they did not have a competent starter like Geno in the waiting : Another Packer GM failure.
😂😂😂
I'm no expert but why wouldn't the Packers punt there? Whoops.
Maybe Watson will play on 2024
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 30, 2022, 07:44:22 PM
I'm no expert but why wouldn't the Packers punt there? Whoops.
On the 37?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 30, 2022, 07:50:10 PM
I thought they were on the 42.
The box score says 38.
I do enjoy that anytime the Packers fall behind the first play of a drive is more or less a Hail Mary, then a pass behind the line on second down, and then a pass short of the sticks on third down. It's an awesome offense.
Wow. That was an incredible throw under pressure.
Mark Murphy is retiring in 2025. If this season ends the way it is trending, I wonder if he cleans house to help set up whomever his successor might be. (Although I am reasonably sure he's already in the building.)
Darnell Savage is pretty bad.
I can't wait to see what this team looks like when Gutey's guy Love is under center. The lack of talent on this team is astounding.
Imagine what Denver would have gave up for Rodgers then....
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 30, 2022, 06:58:28 PM
Lol no. Russ was not near Rodgers. Having more in the tank doesn't mean anything if the tank is feeding a smaller engine. Russ was already trending down. Denver made a horrid trade and gave him a terrible contract.
No GM is going to trade the reigning MVP who lead their team to the #1 seed. That's just bad, Monday morning QB thinking.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 30, 2022, 08:40:27 PM
Darnell Savage is pretty bad.
One of the worst safeties in the NFL.
Use the eye test or the Pro Football Focus ratings. It's clear either way.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 30, 2022, 08:49:25 PM
I can't wait to see what this team looks like when Gutey's guy Love is under center. The lack of talent on this team is astounding.
Yep.
2 1st round picks, 2 nd round picks, a few other picks, and 3 players in trade would have helped that talent deficiency.
But now, all gone.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 30, 2022, 08:49:25 PM
I can't wait to see what this team looks like when Gutey's guy Love is under center. The lack of talent on this team is astounding.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 30, 2022, 08:58:36 PM
Yep.
aaron Jones is easily one of the best rbs in the league. Some talent exists. Just no wrs unfortunately
Quote from: MUeng on October 30, 2022, 09:30:32 PM
aaron Jones is easily one of the best rbs in the league. Some talent exists. Just no wrs unfortunately
No OL depth either.
Quote from: MUeng on October 30, 2022, 09:30:32 PM
aaron Jones is easily one of the best rbs in the league. Some talent exists. Just no wrs unfortunately
So we have good talent at the least important position. You can throw any average guy in at running back and be fine.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 30, 2022, 09:18:48 PM
2 1st round picks, 2 nd round picks, a few other picks, and 3 players in trade would have helped that talent deficiency.
But now, all gone.
Not with Gutey drafting.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 30, 2022, 09:32:27 PM
No OL depth either.
ya the o line is just terrible. Injuries? Seems like Rodgers had been running for his life all year
Always fun to watch a guy on a losing team endlessly trash-talking even as his team is getting its collective arse whipped.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 30, 2022, 08:49:25 PM
I can't wait to see what this team looks like when Gutey's guy Love is under center. The lack of talent on this team is astounding.
#BuffaloLite
Who had the packers covering the spread? I sure did not.
Packers are looking at hard times. Missed draft classes, a QB who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and is a terrible leader and a salary cap mess. The defense is all talk and no bite.
Buffalo was quicker to da ball and hit harder, aina?
The Packers 2020 Draft class is unbelievable to look back on. You lost in the NFC Championship game, and your decision is to take a backup QB round 1, a backup running back round 2 (letting a solid backup running back walk), a backup tight end round 3, and then traded your 4th rounder to get your backup QB. Taking backups at 2 of the last important positions in football.
Then you give your starting QB $50M/year to stick around anyway.
Packers 1st round draft since 2019
Rashan Gary- Good pick
Darnell Savage - gets worse and worse, just runs past players instead of tackling
Jordan Love - worthless
Eric Stokes - got benched last night
Quay Walker - got ejected last night
Devonte Wyatt - 3 total tackles
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 31, 2022, 09:15:54 AM
Packers 1st round draft since 2019
Rashan Gary- Good pick
Darnell Savage - gets worse and worse, just runs past players instead of tackling
Jordan Love - worthless
Eric Stokes - got benched last night
Quay Walker - got ejected last night
Devonte Wyatt - 3 total tackles
Gary can rush the QB but is a liability against the run
From AR's Instagram today, on Halloween. Blue of Earth is on it.
"Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble.
Fillet of a Shailene snake,
In the caldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adams' fork and Patrick's sting,
Lazard's leg and Cobb's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble.
Cool it with a Love's blood,
Then the charm is firm and good."
Quote from: wadesworld on October 31, 2022, 09:05:40 AM
The Packers 2020 Draft class is unbelievable to look back on. You lost in the NFC Championship game, and your decision is to take a backup QB round 1, a backup running back round 2 (letting a solid backup running back walk), a backup tight end round 3, and then traded your 4th rounder to get your backup QB. Taking backups at 2 of the last important positions in football.
I think this is the problem (philosophy) more than the hit rate on the players themselves. Ted Thompson's hit rate on first rounders wasn't particularly good either. But he just kept drafting for depth to the point where it seemed redundant and drove the fanbase nuts because they wanted to see him draft skill position players. But he refused outside Eddie Lacy and the occasional WR. If you take even one draft off in the search for high end depth, you fall behind.
Quote from: MUBurrow on October 31, 2022, 09:48:13 AM
I think this is the problem (philosophy) more than the hit rate on the players themselves. Ted Thompson's hit rate on first rounders wasn't particularly good either. But he just kept drafting for depth to the point where it seemed redundant and drove the fanbase nuts because they wanted to see him draft skill position players. But he refused outside Eddie Lacy and the occasional WR. If you take even one draft off in the search for high end depth, you fall behind.
In his early years, he drafted receivers all the time.
2006: Greg Jennings, 2nd round
2007: James Jones, 3rd round
2008: Jordy Nelson, 2nd
2008: Jermichael Finley, 3rd
2011: Randall Cobb, 2nd
2014: Davante Adams, 2nd
Regardless, Thompson was simply brilliant at his job early in his tenure. He clearly fell off near the end, but between 2005 and 2010, I don't think there were many better.
And that's kinda the point. IOW the philosophy is fine IF you pick good players. It seems like Gutey really isn't doing that.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 31, 2022, 01:27:57 PM
In his early years, he drafted receivers all the time.
2006: Greg Jennings, 2nd round
2007: James Jones, 3rd round
2008: Jordy Nelson, 2nd
2008: Jermichael Finley, 3rd
2011: Randall Cobb, 2nd
2014: Davante Adams, 2nd
Regardless, Thompson was simply brilliant at his job early in his tenure. He clearly fell off near the end, but between 2005 and 2010, I don't think there were many better.
And that's kinda the point. IOW the philosophy is fine IF you pick good players. It seems like Gutey really isn't doing that.
That, and it doesn't seem the coaching staff is on the same page with the GM. The roster that is put together is one that is built to run the ball on offense and then scheme wide receivers open, and the defense has strong DBs that should be playing man defense. What they're really running is whatever Aaron Rodgers once after the first two drives (which isn't sticking with the run, except when the game was over last night) and play drop zone coverage. It just doesn't make any sense.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 31, 2022, 01:35:22 PM
That, and it doesn't seem the coaching staff is on the same page with the GM. The roster that is put together is one that is built to run the ball on offense and then scheme wide receivers open, and the defense has strong DBs that should be playing man defense. What they're really running is whatever Aaron Rodgers once after the first two drives (which isn't sticking with the run, except when the game was over last night) and play drop zone coverage. It just doesn't make any sense.
The coach and GM are terrified of the QB. The offense is a mess because the QB wants to throw it around the yard.
LaFleur chose the DC despite red flags abounding about Joe Barry.
Say what you will about how things ended, but McCarthy demanded accountability early in his tenure from his QBs and got it.
Speaking of this horrible defense, this is from an article in the Athletic today:
"The Packers start six first-round picks on defense — defensive lineman Kenny Clark, edge rusher Rashan Gary, inside linebacker Quay Walker, cornerback Jaire Alexander, cornerback Eric Stokes and safety Darnell Savage Jr. They also have a 2021 first-team All-Pro inside linebacker in De'Vondre Campbell, a 2021 Pro Bowl alternate cornerback in Rasul Douglas, a sturdy safety in Adrian Amos and an edge rusher in Preston Smith who they've given two big-money contracts to.
Green Bay's defense shouldn't be this bad. You'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger disparity between individual talent on paper and group performance on the field on any other unit in the NFL.
It's an indictment on defensive coordinator Joe Barry, more than anything, but also the head coach in Matt LaFleur who hand-picked him and the players who have failed to tackle and cover (see: Savage and Stokes, more than others) far too often."
This is basically what I have been saying all year.
Quote from: Jockey on October 31, 2022, 02:32:56 PM
Speaking of this horrible defense, this is from an article in the Athletic today:
"The Packers start six first-round picks on defense — defensive lineman Kenny Clark, edge rusher Rashan Gary, inside linebacker Quay Walker, cornerback Jaire Alexander, cornerback Eric Stokes and safety Darnell Savage Jr. They also have a 2021 first-team All-Pro inside linebacker in De'Vondre Campbell, a 2021 Pro Bowl alternate cornerback in Rasul Douglas, a sturdy safety in Adrian Amos and an edge rusher in Preston Smith who they've given two big-money contracts to.
Green Bay's defense shouldn't be this bad. You'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger disparity between individual talent on paper and group performance on the field on any other unit in the NFL.
It's an indictment on defensive coordinator Joe Barry, more than anything, but also the head coach in Matt LaFleur who hand-picked him and the players who have failed to tackle and cover (see: Savage and Stokes, more than others) far too often."
This is basically what I have been saying all year.
This is entirely different than anything you've said about the defense this year, though. I can't find anything remotely resembling this sentiment.
Quote from: WithoutBias on October 31, 2022, 02:50:23 PM
This is entirely different than anything you've said about the defense this year, though. I can't find anything remotely resembling this sentiment.
I have said repeatedly that the defense was vastly overrated. That they were terrible against team after team with bad QBs.
That was the gist of the article.
Stupid Is as Stupid Does
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/01/packers-do-nothing-at-nfls-trade-deadline/
Neither buyers nor sellers, future does not look bright with status quo Gutey...
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 01, 2022, 07:09:31 PM
Neither buyers nor sellers, future does not look bright with status quo Gutey...
He's Captain Smith staring at the iceberg
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 31, 2022, 09:15:54 AM
Packers 1st round draft since 2019
Rashan Gary- Good pick
Darnell Savage - gets worse and worse, just runs past players instead of tackling
Jordan Love - worthless
Eric Stokes - got benched last night
Quay Walker - got ejected last night
Devonte Wyatt - 3 total tackles
Gary is an excellent pass rusher, but is a major reason their run defense is so bad. Doesn't set the edge at all. He's a one trick pony.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 05, 2022, 10:27:00 AM
Gary is an excellent pass rusher, but is a major reason their run defense is so bad. Doesn't set the edge at all. He's a one trick pony.
Yup. Teams have been running right at him the last month
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 05, 2022, 10:41:50 AM
Yup. Teams have been running right at him the last month
Washington finally showed life on offense running the ball to his side, which led to game momentum flipping. His effort to get off blocks was pathetic.
My guess is low odds this happens .
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/06/packers-among-big-group-of-teams-interested-in-wr-odell-beckham-jr/
Packers win large today.
Quote from: tower912 on November 06, 2022, 08:19:42 AM
Packers win large today.
Don't forget that we have Lions reject Joe Barry Carroll as our defensive coordinator.
If he can go 0-16 for the Lions, Is there really any limit to how far he can drag down GB?
Nobody ever goes broke betting against Detroit. You need to watch out for those 3-4 games a year that they show flashes of mediocrity and pull a win out of their chico.
But assume they will find a way to lose and you will be able to afford that tank of premium gas.
Detroit is bringing in receivers today due to injuries that you have never heard of. Hockenson is gone, Swift is eternally injured. GB in a rout.
Quote from: tower912 on November 06, 2022, 08:42:45 AM
Nobody ever goes broke betting against Detroit. You need to watch out for those 3-4 games a year that they show flashes of mediocrity and pull a win out of their chico.
But assume they will find a way to lose and you will be able to afford that tank of premium gas.
Detroit is bringing in receivers today due to injuries that you have never heard of. Hockenson is gone, Swift is eternally injured. GB in a rout.
I'll hold you to that. We really need a win.
Not going to do any research to back this up but feel like Rodgers had more tipped passes this year than the rest of his career
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 06, 2022, 12:27:41 PM
Not going to do any research to back this up but feel like Rodgers had more tipped passes this year than the rest of his career
He threw that one straight into the defenders facemask, then seemed to be mad about it being someone else's fault.
It's not like the guy magically appeared, he was there the entire time, and he threw the ball right into the defender.
He hit the Lion defender in the helmet. It was nothing the defender did.
Lol.
Woof
Pathetic Packers have 4 tries to get it in at one and then throw an interception on fourth down
0-600 in their last 600 attempts at the goal line
The last miscommunication between Rodgers and Watkins highlights some of the problems.
A couple weeks ago, on a play designed to be thrown into the flat with Watkins blocking, Watkins made the correct defensive read, where the receiver should break open downfield because of the defensive set up. Rodger's threw it into the flat, and it was incomplete because Watkins was breaking to the open downfield throw instead of blocking like the original play design.
He took fault, and said he needs to just do his job on the play and block and not ad-lib.
Fast forward to this game. A run was called, Rodgers saw 1v1 coverage on the outside, so figured Watkins would ad-lib, break away from the called run and go to the open flat.
The packers wide receivers are damned if they do, damned if they don't, and are being elected to read Rodgers mind when he hasn't been consistent.
Maybe they should give their best RB the ball.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 12:54:22 PM
Maybe they should give their best RB the ball.
I do not understand why Jones wasn't on the field even for any of those 1st and goal from the 0.5 yard line.
Even if he doesn't get the ball, they are harder to defend with him on the field.
AR under threw is eligible tackle. Get it out there and it is an easy 6.
Do Rodgers and MLF have the under? This would be blatant point shaving in a college game
Team of losers. Massive personnel changes needed this off-season.
Quote from: Jockey on November 06, 2022, 01:11:51 PM
Team of losers. Massive personnel changes needed this off-season.
Rodgers is missing a lot, it seems like he is just angry and not seeing the game properly/clearly.
The defense makes no sense. Invest in good/great man v man CBs, then play zone only, even against a team where across the board, your CBs will win every matchup.
A QB who does not trust his receivers.
A team who doesn't have a leader, and whose players don't trust the coaching decisions.
Tank for Wembanyama
Lose out to stick it to Pittsburgh
It's not unfathomable to think Green Bay finishes last in the North.
Anyone here trust Gutey with a top 10 draft pick?
Another under thrown ball that would/could have been a TD.
Quote from: forgetful on November 06, 2022, 01:44:51 PM
Another under thrown ball that would/could have been a TD.
And two more.
Is Rodgers going to make the media rounds to emphasize that he needs to get his crap together. Seems to be perfectly ok with publicly shaming everyone else.
Usually, it is Detroit losing 5 starters in a single game.
I spoke too soon.
By mutual agreement, finish up playing 8 man?
Why even have a play clock?
I've counted 8 snaps with :00 on the clock. At least 3 should have been called.
Boy that was a bad idea to go on fourth there.
Why launch it to the end zone on every throw?
I am stunned. AR and Watkins are just not in sync. So many injuries and so much ugly football.
You can't score 9 points at Detroit. That's beyond embarrassing.
Another panic snap with the play clock at :00.
Team is in total disarray.
Quote from: Jockey on November 06, 2022, 03:10:56 PM
Another panic snap with the play clock at :00.
After a timeout no less
As one who has not actually watched that much AR prior to this game..... he and Watkins are like strangers. All of the talk about young receivers, it is up to AR to work with them. AR under threw receivers all day. The 3 picks in the red zone. 1. Threw sidearm in traffic with everybody bunched. Hit the defender in the helmet. 2. Underthrowing his eligible tackle by 5 yards on a gimmick. Really? 3. Again under threw his receiver. Nice play by the safety.
So many injuries, so few weapons, and AR did not make his receivers better today.
Time to discuss chit cannin' LaFleur. He clearly duzant have a klue, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 06, 2022, 03:31:37 PM
Time to discuss chit cannin' LaFleur. He clearly duzant have a klue, aina?
Gutey should be the first to go. MLF was great his first 3 years. He didn't suddenly forget how to coach. Gutey has drained the offensive talent in a hurry.
Beyond that, the coaching staff and GM aren't on the same page at all. The GM built the offense to run the ball and control the clock, while the defense was built to play man defense and get after the quarterback. But the actual schemes are to sling the ball around offensively and the defense to sit back in zone coverage all day.
Can't argue with your assessment today. They suck major ass and are in a free fall, hey?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 06, 2022, 03:36:10 PM
Gutey should be the first to go. MLF was great his first 3 years. He didn't suddenly forget how to coach. Gutey has drained the offensive talent in a hurry.
Beyond that, the coaching staff and GM aren't on the same page at all. The GM built the offense to run the ball and control the clock, while the defense was built to play man defense and get after the quarterback. But the actual schemes are to sling the ball around offensively and the defense to sit back in zone coverage all day.
Rodgers keeps checking out of run plays because defenses don't respect the passing game. For good reason.
I haven't watched each game close enough to know - is the formation with AJ Dillon split wide a common one? That was the formation on that last play and seemed a curious choice for fourth and long.
Until the Packers realize it's over with 12, the future is bleak in Green Bay. He's a loser, a terrible leader and was the one who doesn't think he needed to work with any of the new receivers in the off-season. The team has taken on the identity of the QB. Good luck with that
I am starting to become curious if Lafleur has been a fraud this whole time.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 06, 2022, 04:05:46 PM
I am starting to become curious if Lafleur has been a fraud this whole time.
I don't think we know. It's a fair question to ask. His biggest problem is, him and the GM are terrified of the QB
Hiring Joe Barry was a mistake, however
Dish
Playing in the North hides a lot of weaknesses over the past decade. I am not giving up on MLF, but not sure of his leadership abilities. The QB does whatever he wants and it is getting worse.
#12 can buy lottsa Ayahuasca wit $3 mil./ game, aina?
Doc
I think he is a bad teammate on a good team and potential cancer on a bad one. If I read his lips correctly on one drop, there may be some issues in the locker room.
Well, he certainly has tarnished his legacy. Of course, he can always look at his bank account and smile. Easy now, in hindsight, to say the Pack shoulda have peddled his ass a couple years ago. Someone, Gutey and/or Murphy, made a bad error in judgment and really shackled the roster for years to come. Plus, they don't have qb in waiting. Turning out to be a real clusterfook, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 06, 2022, 04:39:09 PM
Well, he certainly has tarnished his legacy. Of course, he can always look at his bank account and smile. Easy now, in hindsight, to say the Pack shoulda have peddled his ass a couple years ago. Someone, Gutey and/or Murphy, made a bad error in judgment and really shackled the roster for years to come. Plus, they don't have qb in waiting. Turning out to be a real clusterfook, hey?
This is more Monday morning quarterbacking nonsense. They finished 13-4 last year and he was the MVP. The year prior 13-3 and lost in the NFC Championship Game.
You really think they were going to let him go? C'mon... Gutey has made a lot of mistakes, but continuing with Rodgers wasn't one of them. You ride this train until it derails.
Oh, I see. Thank you your expert advice, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 06, 2022, 04:51:32 PM
Oh, I see. Thank you your expert advice, hey?
Thanks, but it's hard to not be seen as an expert on pretty much any topic when responding to your posts.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 04:47:54 PM
This is more Monday morning quarterbacking nonsense. They finished 13-4 last year and he was the MVP. The year prior 13-3 and lost in the NFC Championship Game.
You really think they were going to let him go? C'mon... Gutey has made a lot of mistakes, but continuing with Rodgers wasn't one of them. You ride this train until it derails.
I'll disagree with this. As soon as he voiced his displeasure with roster construction and said he wanted out, they should have made the move. Instead, they caved and gave him what he wanted. He runs the organization and his contract is terrible.
Carty with the voice of reason. Hoo knew? This team is a train wreck and needs a mega dose of Ex Lax.
Kolek 'em, hey?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2022, 05:11:21 PM
I'll disagree with this. As soon as he voiced his displeasure with roster construction and said he wanted out, they should have made the move. Instead, they caved and gave him what he wanted. He runs the organization and his contract is terrible.
You can disagree all you want. You didn't seem to mind last season though.
Rico
I would have moved him the day he wanted out. Unlike others, beating the NFC North and little other success did not impress me. 12 lacks leadership skills and it cost him a lot of hardware. No doubt he is a big time talent and I would not argue that, but his arrogance cost him team success, imo.
Quote from: tower912 on November 06, 2022, 03:26:18 PM
As one who has not actually watched that much AR prior to this game..... he and Watkins are like strangers. All of the talk about young receivers, it is up to AR to work with them. AR under threw receivers all day. The 3 picks in the red zone. 1. Threw sidearm in traffic with everybody bunched. Hit the defender in the helmet. 2. Underthrowing his eligible tackle by 5 yards on a gimmick. Really? 3. Again under threw his receiver. Nice play by the safety.
So many injuries, so few weapons, and AR did not make his receivers better today.
It started with the playoff game against SF last year. After being his usual AR self all year, he was nothing short of terrible that game--forced everything to Adams and his accuracy was horrible. Short of a terrible Bears defense making him look OK, he has picked up right where he left off being terrible this year. Can't read the field AT ALL and horrendous accuracy. His deep throws might as well be from a deep snapper position.
It is a bit baffling that he could have lost it in that manner--not a gradually decline, but almost in an instant. It almost seems like the yips.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 05:18:18 PM
You can disagree all you want. You didn't seem to mind last season though.
Actually, I did. But I'm not a Rodgers fan, so I was biased. He demonstrated a long time ago that he wasn't a leader and part of the problem, not part of the solution. It isn't MMQB with me. They should have traded him in spring of last year, period.
Quote from: Goose on November 06, 2022, 05:18:48 PM
Rico
I would have moved him the day he wanted out. Unlike others, beating the NFC North and little other success did not impress me. 12 lacks leadership skills and it cost him a lot of hardware. No doubt he is a big time talent and I would not argue that, but his arrogance cost him team success, imo.
I agree with this 100%. I know you've said you were a Favre fan but the way their careers have mirrored one another is really something. There are differences in how it happened but their egos kept them from getting a crack at another ring
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 04:47:54 PM
This is more Monday morning quarterbacking nonsense. They finished 13-4 last year and he was the MVP. The year prior 13-3 and lost in the NFC Championship Game.
You really think they were going to let him go? C'mon... Gutey has made a lot of mistakes, but continuing with Rodgers wasn't one of them. You ride this train until it derails.
I don't think it is Monday morning quarterbacking nonsense.
I was a big Rodgers fan, I have him in my top 3 QBs ever, but I thought it was reasonably clear he should be shipped out and they should maximize getting some draft picks for him.
They could have gotten a haul, and best case scenario you get 1-2 years out of Rodgers, but the signs were there that he was dropping off (missing a lot more throws than normal, and not seeing the field, rather forcing to Adams).
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 05:18:18 PM
You can disagree all you want. You didn't seem to mind last season though.
Last year was AR BA - Before Ayahuasca.
Quote from: forgetful on November 06, 2022, 06:07:01 PM
I don't think it is Monday morning quarterbacking nonsense.
I was a big Rodgers fan, I have him in my top 3 QBs ever, but I thought it was reasonably clear he should be shipped out and they should maximize getting some draft picks for him.
They could have gotten a haul, and best case scenario you get 1-2 years out of Rodgers, but the signs were there that he was dropping off (missing a lot more throws than normal, and not seeing the field, rather forcing to Adams).
Ah yes. Another "I knew it all along guy." 🙄🙄🙄
https://youtu.be/myepdtO5QDM
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 06:08:35 PM
Ah yes. Another "I knew it all along guy." 🙄🙄🙄
Except some of us were highlighting his missed throws and missed reads, and saying that his demands were ridiculous and hurting the team and that it was time to go, well before he signed his new contract.
The only hope now is to find some help at WR for next year, and hope that Rodgers takes this season personally, and takes an offseason seriously, works with the young receivers, and comes back with a chip on his shoulder.
Sadly, I fear he is too arrogant to see his role in the current problem and will only have a chip against everyone else.
Meanwhile the Seahawks get another trophy for "9th week" first place and are rolling around in all their Denver draft picks for next year.
Sure glad GBP mgmt did not have the foresight to extract massive payload of picks for Rodgers, much more fun losing to the lowly lions with 3 rosgers awful picks and even worse body language.
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You can disagree all you want. You didn't seem to mind last season though.
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Quote from: PointWarrior on November 06, 2022, 07:02:03 PM
Meanwhile the Seahawks get an another trophy for "9th week" first place and are rolling around in all their Denver draft picks for next year.
Sure glad GBP mgmt did not have the foresight to extract massive payload of picks for Rodgers, much more fun losing to the lowly lions with 3 rosgers awful picks and even worse body language.
Quote from: forgetful on November 06, 2022, 06:54:38 PM
Except some of us were highlighting his missed throws and missed reads, and saying that his demands were ridiculous and hurting the team and that it was time to go, well before he signed his new contract.
The only hope now is to find some help at WR for next year, and hope that Rodgers takes this season personally, and takes an offseason seriously, works with the young receivers, and comes back with a chip on his shoulder.
Sadly, I fear he is too arrogant to see his role in the current problem and will only have a chip against everyone else.
Dishonest Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 04:47:54 PM
This is more Monday morning quarterbacking nonsense. They finished 13-4 last year and he was the MVP. The year prior 13-3 and lost in the NFC Championship Game.
You really think they were going to let him go? C'mon... Gutey has made a lot of mistakes, but continuing with Rodgers wasn't one of them. You ride this train until it derails.
And.....? There now 3-6. They could EASILY be 1-8.
This is past "relax". The offense is absolutely stagnant and rodgers is a massive problem in it.
Nope - I truly wanted the packers to trade him before the season and get the picks. The signs were all there he is in decline and a poor team leader.
For the record, I would have fired MM after the NFC championship collapse against Seattle and fired Wojo after the Hauser's quit the team. And was right in those two as well.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 07:04:22 PM
Dishonest Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest.
Thanks, Packers, for giving the Lions a win, as the #1 pick is the prize.
Love,
The Panthers
Quote from: #Unleash? on November 06, 2022, 07:06:24 PM
And.....? There now 3-6. They could EASILY be 1-8.
This is past "relax". The offense is absolutely stagnant and rodgers is a massive problem in it.
No kidding. I am hardly saying they aren't bad. And most certainly am not saying Rodgers isn't bad.
I am saying that the Packers were never not going to bring the two time MVP quarterback of a 13-4 team back. And all of these people who are claiming that they knew better, are at best engaging in Monday morning quarterback thinking. And pre-season predictions by MANY said that the Packers and Rodgers were in line for a good year.
And Point Warrior continuing to claim that this is anything like the 7-10 Seahawks trading Wilson is laughable. They aren't even remotely similar.
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 06, 2022, 07:09:40 PM
Nope - I truly wanted the packers to trade him before the season and get the picks. The signs weee all there he is in decline and a poor team leader.
Sure you did. ::)
Nobody trades the reigning MVP.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 29, 2021, 02:59:36 PM
If you replace Rodgers with Lawrence, have your 29th pick, and trade Love for a 3rd you'd still be the best team in the NFC North if your offensive line can hold up until Bakhtiari is back. The Jags would never even consider trading 1 overall for Rodgers, though.
Trade Rodgers for 3 and a number of other picks from the 9ers, take Pitts at 3 and Bateman at 29, and show Rodgers what weapons look like with Adams, MVS, Bateman, and two TEs (Pitts and Tonion) and two RBs (Jones and Dillon).
The first part was in jest because the Jags would never do that, but I did think the Packers should trade Rodgers when he demanded a trade. But it is clear they made the correct decision now that we've seen more of Love and with how Rodgers played last year. My thought at the time was you loaded up your defense with picks and free agents, you have 2 good backs, and you traded up to get Love in the first round. If Love isn't good enough to be a game manager and win games in the NFC North then you've already failed as a GM with that pick. Sometimes you have to sleep in the bed you made.
Hopefully they make one last all in year for Rodgers's last season here next year and then tank just in time to get Arch a couple years from now.
Quote from: Goose on November 06, 2022, 05:18:48 PM
Rico
I would have moved him the day he wanted out. Unlike others, beating the NFC North and little other success did not impress me. 12 lacks leadership skills and it cost him a lot of hardware. No doubt he is a big time talent and I would not argue that, but his arrogance cost him team success, imo.
So basically this?
https://youtu.be/hNWBsWihYjM
yep, I wanted the draft pick and player bonanza the Seahawks got. they were going to start over with a new QB sometime in 1, 2 or 3 years, why not do it with maximum value. I was ready to make the call and move on. Now they probably can't even trade him for Geno Smith...
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 07:14:41 PM
Sure you did. ::)
Quote from: tower912 on November 06, 2022, 07:16:54 PM
Nobody trades the reigning MVP.
It's not easy to sell high - few do.
Much more common for people to look to sell an asset after it's basically worthless. That's where most Packer fans are now.
T-O-A-S-T
The obese lady has sung, put her music sheets away and started her car for the drive home.
It probably should be Jordan Love time. Let's see what he has!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 07, 2022, 08:53:05 AM
It's not easy to sell high - few do.
Much more common for people to look to sell an asset after it's basically worthless. That's where most Packer fans are now.
All time greats don't get traded unless they ask for it and have leverage. The Packers were never trading Rodgers, nor should they have.
One positive to the losing streak, all those early game comparison graphics of LaFleur to Lombardi have ceased...
Gary out for the year with a torn ACL.
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 07, 2022, 09:47:51 AM
One positive to the losing streak, all those early game comparison graphics of LaFleur to Lombardi have ceased...
Coach Lombardi would have puked all over this team.
If Coach Lombardi's team played like the Packers did yesterday, Coach Lombardi probably would have died of a massive heart attack -- on the sidelines! He would have screamed so loud, the folks in the back row would have heard, loud and clear!
The reality is Coach Lombardi's teams wouldn't have played like the Packers did yesterday. I doubt Bart Starr ever had three interceptions in a game -- and certainly not three inside the 25 yard line. The Packer defenses were disciplined and focused in those days. The offense played consistently and well. Yes, Coach Lombardi's teams lost from time to time, but the effort and the execution was there. I didn't see that yesterday nor have I in recent weeks.
One of two things is clear about this Packers team -- either they didn't have the talent the front office thinks it put on the field, or the coaching of the team this year leaves an awful lot to be desired. Neither is complementary and an investigation needs to be undertaken to decide whether to fire the GM or the Head Coach.
Regardless, something is really wrong in Green Bay!
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 07, 2022, 09:35:03 AM
All time greats don't get traded unless they ask for it and have leverage. The Packers were never trading Rodgers, nor should they have.
How the Packers handled AR is an example of epic fail. They pissed him off when he still had greatness left and mortgaged the franchise for him when his greatness was near the end.
Arguing that you can't trade stars unless they ask for it is silly. Of course you can. You can argue that knowing what they knew, this off season wasn't the right time. But 2+ months into the season you can't argue that the Packers are better off for keeping him.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 07, 2022, 10:15:50 AM
How the Packers handled AR is an example of epic fail. They pissed him off when he still had greatness left and mortgaged the franchise for him when his greatness was near the end.
Arguing that you can't trade stars unless they ask for it is silly. Of course you can. You can argue that knowing what they knew, this off season wasn't the right time. But 2+ months into the season you can't argue that the Packers are better off for keeping him.
An epic fail? Wait, you (and others here) actually think the Packers should have traded Aaron Rodgers THIS PAST offseason? LOL!
By FAR the most important position in football is the quarterback position. Aaron Rodgers was coming off back to back MVP seasons! It's not like he was the 12th best quarterback in the NFL. He was the best player in the league and largely responsible for back to back to back 13 win seasons! That is absolutely ludicrous to say that making him the highest paid quarterback for this season and next was an epic fail. An epic fail would have been trading your back to back MVP.
If people said they should've traded Rodgers after a "down" season when they traded up to get his replacement fine. Pretty crazy, but at least there's some sense to that. The "epic fail" was not paying Rodgers. The "epic fail" was putting together a roster with...Allen Lazard? as your #1 pass catcher.
Amen.
Ugh...
If Rodgers is set on playing, the Packers can't cut him in the offseason, because they'd still be on the hook for the $59 million. Maybe Rodgers will decide he's had enough and retire. But how many people would be willing to walk away from $59 million?
The only way I see you being able to trade Rodgers last year is if you thought Love was the answer. It doesn't look like that's the case, so you try to go all-in with Rodgers since you're probably in the market for a future QB anyways.
I'm starting to get a bit worried about Lafleur. It just doesn't seem the team responds well to adversity in big games. They get off to a hot start and one bad play stalls things.
So many injuries. So few playmakers on offense.
If you like fancy stats and regular season wins, Rodgers was your guy. If you wanted leadership and a QB to elevate his game in January, he's not your guy
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 07, 2022, 10:38:25 AM
An epic fail? Wait, you (and others here) actually think the Packers should have traded Aaron Rodgers THIS PAST offseason? LOL!
By FAR the most important position in football is the quarterback position. Aaron Rodgers was coming off back to back MVP seasons! It's not like he was the 12th best quarterback in the NFL. He was the best player in the league and largely responsible for back to back to back 13 win seasons! That is absolutely ludicrous to say that making him the highest paid quarterback for this season and next was an epic fail. An epic fail would have been trading your back to back MVP.
If people said they should've traded Rodgers after a "down" season when they traded up to get his replacement fine. Pretty crazy, but at least there's some sense to that. The "epic fail" was not paying Rodgers. The "epic fail" was putting together a roster with...Allen Lazard? as your #1 pass catcher.
Yep.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 07, 2022, 10:47:22 AM
The only way I see you being able to trade Rodgers last year is if you thought Love was the answer. It doesn't look like that's the case, so you try to go all-in with Rodgers since you're probably in the market for a future QB anyways.
Yep.
Rico
Spot on. More importantly, IMO, the fancy stats were mainly against lower level competition. For an all time great, his record against winning teams is not very impressive. No doubt that Rodgers is a special talent, but it has not carried over to great team success in the playoffs. I have joked for the past few years that Rodgers final regular season game will be like Kobe's last game. He will throw for 900 yards and 8 TD's and think he won the SB. I can him being smug at the presser thinking everyone is dying to hear every word that comes out of his mouth.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 07, 2022, 10:15:29 AM
Coach Lombardi would have puked all over this team.
If Coach Lombardi's team played like the Packers did yesterday, Coach Lombardi probably would have died of a massive heart attack -- on the sidelines! He would have screamed so loud, the folks in the back row would have heard, loud and clear!
The reality is Coach Lombardi's teams wouldn't have played like the Packers did yesterday. I doubt Bart Starr ever had three interceptions in a game -- and certainly not three inside the 25 yard line. The Packer defenses were disciplined and focused in those days. The offense played consistently and well. Yes, Coach Lombardi's teams lost from time to time, but the effort and the execution was there. I didn't see that yesterday nor have I in recent weeks.
At least once a year, except for 1961, Bart Starr threw 3 INTs in a game when he was the regular starter. In 1967, he threw nine interceptions and no TD passes the first two games of the season! And that ended with a Super Bowl victory.
Starr threw 138 interceptions in 196 career games. Rodgers has thrown 100 in 222.
Back in the day, quarterbacks threw interceptions all the damn time. George Blanda threw 277 of them, against 236 TDs, and is in the Hall of Fame.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 07, 2022, 11:26:31 AM
At least once a year, except for 1961, Bart Starr threw 3 INTs in a game when he was the regular starter. In 1967, he threw nine interceptions and no TD passes the first two games of the season! And that ended with a Super Bowl victory.
Starr threw 138 interceptions in 196 career games. Rodgers has thrown 100 in 222.
Back in the day, quarterbacks threw interceptions all the damn time. George Blanda threw 277 of them, against 236 TDs, and is in the Hall of Fame.
Well duh? Back in the day defenses were allowed to actually play defense.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 07, 2022, 11:26:31 AM
At least once a year, except for 1961, Bart Starr threw 3 INTs in a game when he was the regular starter. In 1967, he threw nine interceptions and no TD passes the first two games of the season! And that ended with a Super Bowl victory.
Starr threw 138 interceptions in 196 career games. Rodgers has thrown 100 in 222.
Back in the day, quarterbacks threw interceptions all the damn time. George Blanda threw 277 of them, against 236 TDs, and is in the Hall of Fame.
LOL. I'm sure the dgies of the 1960s would have been talking about how this NEVER happened in Curly Lambeau's day. Curly was rolling over in his grave in September of 67!
Quote from: Goose on November 07, 2022, 11:26:30 AM
Rico
Spot on. More importantly, IMO, the fancy stats were mainly against lower level competition. For an all time great, his record against winning teams is not very impressive. No doubt that Rodgers is a special talent, but it has not carried over to great team success in the playoffs. I have joked for the past few years that Rodgers final regular season game will be like Kobe's last game. He will throw for 900 yards and 8 TD's and think he won the SB. I can him being smug at the presser thinking everyone is dying to hear every word that comes out of his mouth.
His playoff stats have been fine - his quarterback rating in the playoffs is just a shade under his regular season rating. Yeah, everyone wishes his 12-10 record was better no doubt, but he has had very few Favre-like clunkers.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 07, 2022, 11:26:31 AM
At least once a year, except for 1961, Bart Starr threw 3 INTs in a game when he was the regular starter. In 1967, he threw nine interceptions and no TD passes the first two games of the season! And that ended with a Super Bowl victory.
Starr threw 138 interceptions in 196 career games. Rodgers has thrown 100 in 222.
Back in the day, quarterbacks threw interceptions all the damn time. George Blanda threw 277 of them, against 236 TDs, and is in the Hall of Fame.
Wow, you learn something you should have known every day. I never realized Starr had that many interceptions.
That said, Bart Starr on two Super Bowls and five World Championships in his tenure as Packers quarterback. As brilliant as Aaron Rodgers is, he has one Super Bowl to show for it. And, a lot of losses in the playoffs. Lombardi's Packers had one playoff loss and they were 12 yards and probably one play freom making that no playoff losses.
I ultimately agree with Goose, as usual. Rodgers is a great quarterback who can't win the big one. Whether it is because the Packers mismanaged the team around him, the coaches couldn't coach up or the salary cap did the Packers in, I'll leave to others. But, I will conclude that the historical quarterback that is most comparative to Rodgers is Dan Marino down at Miami. He didn't win when it mattered either.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 07, 2022, 12:21:20 PM
Wow, you learn something you should have known every day. I never realized Starr had that many interceptions.
That said, Bart Starr on two Super Bowls and five World Championships in his tenure as Packers quarterback. As brilliant as Aaron Rodgers is, he has one Super Bowl to show for it. And, a lot of losses in the playoffs. Lombardi's Packers had one playoff loss and they were 12 yards and probably one play freom making that no playoff losses.
I ultimately agree with Goose, as usual. Rodgers is a great quarterback who can't win the big one. Whether it is because the Packers mismanaged the team around him, the coaches couldn't coach up or the salary cap did the Packers in, I'll leave to others. But, I will conclude that the historical quarterback that is most comparative to Rodgers is Dan Marino down at Miami. He didn't win when it mattered either.
When Rodgers has lost lately in the playoffs, its because the defense gets trucked early. One of the exception being last year's Niners game that was clearly a poor performance. Like the game against Tampa in Lambeau? Hardly an example of that. Clearly outplayed Brady. But the bumf*ck defense that day, including that TD just before halftime, was awful.
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 07, 2022, 10:38:25 AM
If people said they should've traded Rodgers after a "down" season when they traded up to get his replacement, fine.
Most people buy high and sell low. You're one of them. You want to buy high on a 38 year old who looked awful in last year's most important game? Be my guest. How's it workin' for you?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 07, 2022, 03:30:31 PM
Most people buy high and sell low. You're one of them. You want to buy high on a 38 year old who looked awful in last year's most important game? Be my guest. How's it workin' for you?
He didn't look "awful" in the playoffs last year. He did look perfectly mediocre and performed less than his MVP regular season. He performed WAY better than Tom Brady did his last game with the Pats though and was five years younger than Brady was at the time.
So Brady and the Pats moved on from one another - and TB won a Super Bowl the next season. And that was supposed to be GB's formula this year. Invest in the defense and let that unit carry them...run the ball...and keep Rodgers efficient.
But it hasn't worked. They have no receivers so defenses are stacking against the run. And the defense is OK, but nowhere near what the Bucs have in Tampa. It was a perfectly logical plan that has been woefully executed, IMO mostly because they don't have the personnel cause Gutey stinks.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 07, 2022, 03:30:31 PM
Most people buy high and sell low. You're one of them. You want to buy high on a 38 year old who looked awful in last year's most important game? Be my guest. How's it workin' for you?
Lol. You try to act like you're the smartest guy in the room, but my god are you dumb. You REALLY thought THIS PAST OFFSEASON was the one for the Packers to move on from Aaron Rodgers?! Haha Jesus.
Oh no, not a sample size of one single game! Clearly the 49ers game must've shown Rodgers didn't have it anymore! Just ignore the previous 17 games where the guy, oh, you know, WON THE MVP!
They were the freaking one seed in the NFC back to back years. You REALLY thought the time to SELL was right after that? Haha talk about revisionist history. They're going to move on to Jordan Love when they have a 2 year championship window? That's the one way to slam that window shut immediately.
You want to sell when a guy has a bad Playoff game? Broncos should've sold John Elway in the 1997 offseason. Can't believe those same Broncos kept Peyton Manning around after his 2013 performance. How stupid is Bill Bellichick to hang onto Tom Brady after his 2008 Super Bowl performance? Get a clue Bill! I could go on and on with the list of players who have had a bad single game and won big the next year. What a hysterically stupid take.
"Epic fail" to keep your back to back MVP who lead you to the one seed in back to back years, after leading you to an NFC Championship game.
What a dumbass.
Quote from: WithoutBias on November 07, 2022, 04:11:58 PM
Lol. You try to act like you're the smartest guy in the room, but my god are you dumb. You REALLY thought THIS PAST OFFSEASON was the one for the Packers to move on from Aaron Rodgers?! Haha Jesus.
Oh no, not a sample size of one single game! Clearly the 49ers game must've shown Rodgers didn't have it anymore! Just ignore the previous 17 games where the guy, oh, you know, WON THE MVP!
They were the freaking one seed in the NFC back to back years. You REALLY thought the time to SELL was right after that? Haha talk about revisionist history. They're going to move on to Jordan Love when they have a 2 year championship window? That's the one way to slam that window shut immediately.
You want to sell when a guy has a bad Playoff game? Broncos should've sold John Elway in the 1997 offseason. Can't believe those same Broncos kept Peyton Manning around after his 2013 performance. I could go on and on with the list of players who have had a bad single game and won big the next year. What a hysterically stupid take.
"Epic fail" to keep your back to back MVP who lead you to the one seed in back to back years, after leading you to an NFC Championship game.
What a dumbass.
They should have traded him when he said he didn't want to be in Green Bay anymore. That was their chance. They blew it.
Let's just hope he doesn't decide to retire after this year, because if he does, the Pack will be buried under Dead Cap money next year.
Quote from: forgetful on November 07, 2022, 08:38:43 PM
Let's just hope he doesn't decide to retire after this year, because if he does, the Pack will be buried under Dead Cap money next year.
They are in salary cap hades anyway. Next year, 5 players will take up about 55% of the cap.
Looks like others also think it was a big mistake to not trade Rodgers before this season...
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-and-the-packers-made-a-mistake-last-offseason-now-a-trade-or-retirement-has-to-fix-it-030216418.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-and-the-packers-made-a-mistake-last-offseason-now-a-trade-or-retirement-has-to-fix-it-030216418.html)
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 08, 2022, 12:39:44 AM
Looks like others also think it was a big mistake to not trade Rodgers before this season...
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-and-the-packers-made-a-mistake-last-offseason-now-a-trade-or-retirement-has-to-fix-it-030216418.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-and-the-packers-made-a-mistake-last-offseason-now-a-trade-or-retirement-has-to-fix-it-030216418.html)
Hey at least he honestly admits he is engaging in hindsight.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 08, 2022, 03:57:47 AM
Hey at least he honestly admits he is engaging in hindsight.
If the Packers had listened to me, this wouldn't be a discussion
Feels like the Amari Rodgers era may be ending soon.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 13, 2022, 05:25:57 PM
Feels like the Amari Rodgers era may be ending soon.
Why has it lasted so long.
Quote from: Jockey on November 13, 2022, 05:27:14 PM
Why has it lasted so long.
That's a great question. Ron Wolf would have cut his azz months ago
Quote from: Jockey on November 13, 2022, 05:27:14 PM
Why has it lasted so long.
He has no business being on an NFL roster. It was clear last year that he should never field punts.
Quote from: forgetful on November 13, 2022, 05:29:59 PM
He has no business being on an NFL roster. It was clear last year that he should never field punts.
So who is making the decision to keep playing him? Gutey or LaFleur?
Yet they keep trotting him out there. Loser move...
Quote from: forgetful on November 13, 2022, 05:29:59 PM
He has no business being on an NFL roster. It was clear last year that he should never field punts.
LaFleur's half time magic keeps working....
Rodgers pass around his water bottle before that last drive of regulation?
Welcome back Mark McCarthy!
Lucky no hold call on GB on Dallas possession on Third down.
Sometimes lady luck is nice.
Going for it on 4th and 4 in OT was very McCarthy'esque...oh, wait...
R-E-L-A-X?
Enjoyed the Packer comeback. Was fantastic to see Christian Watson start to realize on his potential .
Aaron Jones was a difference maker and AJ Dillon delivers a lot of power when needed .
Was at the game today. I have not heard a crowd go from 0 to 60 quite like when they scored the TD on the 4th and 7 - and I'm pretty sure hardly anyone sat the rest of that game. Had they not converted that, they would have been booed off the field and the stands would have been half full.
Packers play Titans at Lambeau on Thursday . Hopefully, team can sustain momentum from the Cowboy win.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 14, 2022, 06:59:08 AM
Packers play Titans at Lambeau on Thursday . Hopefully, team can sustain momentum from the Cowboy win.
Momentum isn't real
This Giant fan wants to thank my second favorite team for beating Dallas on Sunday.
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 14, 2022, 08:23:29 AM
Neither are titans
I mean, mid season Derrick Henry going up against the Packers run defense is real. Especially on a short week.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 14, 2022, 08:55:20 AM
I mean, mid season Derrick Henry going up against the Packers run defense is real. Especially on a short week.
Defense is fixed.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/good-bad-and-ugly-from-packers-overtime-win-over-cowboys/
Quote from: wadesworld on November 14, 2022, 08:55:20 AM
I mean, mid season Derrick Henry going up against the Packers run defense is real. Especially on a short week.
No, I mean actual titans. Not real.
Why do I remember the Titans?
Quote from: TSmith34 on November 14, 2022, 10:16:47 AM
No, I mean actual titans. Not real.
Zeus is gonna be PISSED you're talking sh** about his dad.
Randall Cobb could be back for Titans game. That would help the Packers cause .
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/11/14/randall-cobb-could-return-to-packers-lineup-this-week/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 14, 2022, 03:09:37 PM
Randall Cobb could be back for Titans game. That would help the Packers cause .
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/11/14/randall-cobb-could-return-to-packers-lineup-this-week/amp/
Given Randall's incredible durability at this point in his career, I'd build a lot of the game plan around him
Amari Rodgers no longer a Packer.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/15/packers-coach-matt-lafleur-explains-decisions-to-cut-amari-rodgers-kylin-hill/
One Rodgers down, one to go!
From The Athletic:
The bonkers Vikings-Bills game was part of Fox's 1 p.m. window and viewed by most of the county, averaging 16.2 million viewers. Despite the thrills of Minnesota's victory, it wasn't the most-watched game this weekend. Not even close — those are the perils of the highlight moments coming late in a broadcast.
Green Bay's 31-28 overtime victory over visiting Dallas averaged 29.2 million viewers for Fox in the late afternoon window. That game was seen by most of the country except for Arizona and Southern California getting Cardinals-Rams.
At nearly 30 million viewers — the Cowboys and Packers are two of the biggest fanbases in the league — that is the NFL's largest audience so far this season and is the sort of regular-season viewership normally seen on Thanksgiving. In fact, it beat two of the three Turkey Day games from 2021 but trails the Raiders-Cowboys game on that day (40.2 million average, after a Nielsen adjustment stemming from an undercounting tech error).
Sunday's game also topped four of the six Wild Card playoff games last season and came close to the Bengals–Titans divisional round game (30.7 million).
Fox's Sunday afternoon late games are averaging 24.3 million viewers, per Fox's strategy and analytics chief, Michael Mulvihill. Those games are the most-watched programming in all of U.S. television, the network said.
Now we finally know why the Green Bay offense has been so bad! It wasn't Adams leaving after all!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11436027/Ayahuasca-warning-Hippy-brew-causes-headaches-vomiting-mental-health-problems.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11436027/Ayahuasca-warning-Hippy-brew-causes-headaches-vomiting-mental-health-problems.html)
QuoteIn the first major global study of its kind, researchers surveyed more than 10,000 people from more than 50 countries about their experiences with ayahuasca, an ancient South American brew.
They found more than half said they had negative mental health effects while on ayahuaska such as hearing or seeing things that others couldn't.
One in five said they suffered disturbing thoughts or nightmares, hallucinations or felt disconnected.
More than five in 10 people said the mental health issues stuck with them for 'weeks or months'. However, nearly 90 per cent of users considered them 'completely or somewhat part of a positive growth process'.
They found 70 per cent experienced at least one adverse physical effect during or shortly after consuming the drink, the most common being vomiting or nausea, headache and abdominal pain — all of which are common as part of the 'purge' process.
But a small number suffered severe physical harm. Two per cent suffered seizures, one per cent went into respiratory arrest and another one per cent went into cardiac arrest.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-vs-titans-5-things-to-watch-and-a-prediction-for-tnf/
I'm really not sure what Joe Barry is trying to accomplish on defense.
Pretty sure da goal iz ta hold Henry ta under 300 rushin' yards and ta give GB's offense a breather, aina?
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 17, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
I'm really not sure what Joe Barry is trying to accomplish on defense.
The passiveness on third down is infuriating.
This broadcast is pretty dry. Feels like Herbstreit is calling a bowling match.
Another pathetic defensive effort.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 17, 2022, 08:58:57 PM
This broadcast is pretty dry. Feels like Herbstreit is calling a bowling match.
It's a pretty dull game.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 17, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
I'm really not sure what Joe Barry is trying to accomplish on defense.
After the last 2series, I think it's obvious.
Ignore the WRs.
Wouldant shock me if LaFleur get chit canned after this seeson. Dude is clueless like Woj, hey?
Stunningly bad pass by AR - had Watkins wide open and missed him by 5 feet. Time to punt again.
Edit: Then misses wide-open Lazard on crossing route with about 5:30 left. After turning it over on downs one play later ....
BOO! say the fans.
Rodgers sucks
Disappointing loss for The Packers
I guess the Cowboy 🤠 game was a mirage in the desert
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 18, 2022, 07:22:04 AM
Disappointing loss for The Packers
I guess the Cowboy 🤠 game was a mirage in the desert
QB is trash
Thoroughly outplayed and thoroughly unprepared on both sides of the ball. Terrible performance all around.
If they only had all the draft picks of the 1st place Seahawks, the future would look bright...
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 18, 2022, 07:47:07 AM
Thoroughly outplayed and thoroughly unprepared on both sides of the ball. Terrible performance all around.
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 18, 2022, 09:10:53 AM
If they only had all the draft picks of the 1st place Seahawks, the future would look bright...
Yes. I think you should continue to Monday morning quarterback this. No team would have traded the reigning MVP coming off a 13-4 season. The Packers weren't 7-10 last year like Seattle.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 17, 2022, 09:38:05 PM
Wouldant shock me if LaFleur get chit canned after this seeson. Dude is clueless like Woj, hey?
He's 43-17. They could finish 4-13 and it's not happening.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 18, 2022, 01:09:19 PM
He's 43-17. They could finish 4-13 and it's not happening.
His QB sucks but the QB thinks he can do all the things he used to.
I'm guessing that the day they are eliminated from the playoff Rodgers goes on IR after announcing he has had a broken thumb most of the season.
Den hoo da hell's gonna play qb, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 19, 2022, 10:53:50 AM
Den hoo da hell's gonna play qb, hey?
Who cares? 12 is a loser. Cut hiz azz, aina
Hope those losers beat Philly tho. Helps us& hurts GB's draft status. Go pack go
Packers first round draft choice Quay Walker making progress.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/20/packers-film-room-rookie-quay-walker-continues-to-improve-against-titans/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/11/22/aaron-rodgers-life-after-football-pat-mcafee-show/10760433002/
He's already playing like he's in his after-football life.
Did I see on the scroll that AR has been playing with a broken thumb?
Quote from: tower912 on November 23, 2022, 07:02:58 PM
Did I see on the scroll that AR has been playing with a broken thumb?
Affirmative. Broken on the last play of the London game
Helps explain some recent performances. Specifically where his passes did not have the expected velocity and accuracy.
Well, sh!t we can't put in Love now, the offense might improve
12 morphing into 4 is complete
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/23/aj-dillon-has-been-another-disappointment-in-packers-disappointing-season/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/23/packers-defense-will-be-stressed-in-all-aspects-by-jalen-hurts-eagles-offense/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/27/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-playing-through-avulsion-fracture-in-right-thumb/
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 27, 2022, 10:05:19 AM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/27/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-playing-through-avulsion-fracture-in-right-thumb/
I've seen much worse get healed with a flick of the wand in Harry Potter. His girlfriend must not be a very good witch.
That was easy.
Packers need to chit can the entire coaching staff. They suck donkey balls, hey?
Gutey can kiss my booty, hey?
Chit, I'm goin' ta bed. Der fookin' awful, aina?
Yeah kinda think they've thrown in the towel. Hopefully Mark Murphy is thinking real hard about next steps.
Worked out for the Pack but how is that false start missed?
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 27, 2022, 07:41:38 PM
Yeah kinda think they've thrown in the towel. Hopefully Mark Murphy is thinking real hard about next steps.
23 minutes later they make me look dumb.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 27, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
23 minutes later they make me look dumb.
I think you were right about the defense.
This is like arena football.
Have the packers ever not let a mobile qb set personal highs for rushing yards?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 27, 2022, 08:15:10 PM
Have the packers ever not let a mobile qb set personal highs for rushing yards?
They do have a history of that, yes. But Joe Barry is so bad at his job, it's at an entirely new level. At least other times it's happened, it's been over the course of a game.
Time for a new ST coach?
Two more mistakes already tonight.
Quote from: Jockey on November 27, 2022, 08:33:33 PM
Time for a new ST coach?
Two more mistakes already tonight.
I hope whoever comes after Mason can kick the ball into the end zone.
Packers need a kicker with some leg strength and accuracy
Maybe the worst defensive game plan I have ever seen. Truly vintage Joe Barry Carroll.
Kielce has been destroying LBs and safeties all game and JBC still refuses to put a DL over center.
Malpractice at its worst.
All you need is Love!
Does Rodgers shut it down after the bye?
Is this accurate?
https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/status/1564077949242032128?t=LEsLUK5Su2I9emx2I0g0UQ&s=19
Eagles with 128 more yards rushing than their last two games combined. Fell just 15 short of matching their last 3 games.
#firebarrynow
I know there's stuff not to like tonight, but I actually thought the Packers were very resilient tonight. They could have folded and packed it in super early, and I was impressed that they kept fighting and made it a legit game.
Love was throwing darts, but he needs to learn when to run, overall though he looked like a potential dude (short sample size, but WAY better than I've ever seen him), which has to be a good development.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 27, 2022, 10:32:46 PM
I know there's stuff not to like tonight, but I actually thought the Packers were very resilient tonight. They could have folded and packed it in super early, and I was impressed that they kept fighting and made it a legit game.
Love was throwing darts, but he needs to learn when to run, overall though he looked like a potential dude (short sample size, but WAY better than I've ever seen him), which has to be a good development.
The offense kept fighting.
Bold call: Rodgers had played his last game as a Packer. #freelove
Quote from: MUeng on November 27, 2022, 11:13:04 PM
Bold call: Rodgers had played his last game as a Packer. #freelove
I don't think it's bold at all.
Why does the team get penalized of a player decides to retire?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 28, 2022, 04:31:58 AM
Why does the team get penalized of a player decides to retire?
He's owed a lot of back pay.
Quote from: Retire0 on November 28, 2022, 05:34:37 AM
He's owed a lot of back pay.
It's mostly because his signing bonus is prorated over the course of the contract, but gets accelerated into one year when he is retired, cut or traded.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 27, 2022, 10:07:07 PM
Is this accurate?
https://twitter.com/KenIngalls/status/1564077949242032128?t=LEsLUK5Su2I9emx2I0g0UQ&s=19
The future is bleak in Green Bay.
Take the cap hit and pray
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 28, 2022, 05:50:49 AM
The future is bleak in Green Bay.
Take the cap hit and pray
That's what they knew was going to happen. IMO need a fresh slate from GM on down.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 28, 2022, 06:52:29 AM
That's what they knew was going to happen. IMO need a fresh slate from GM on down.
I think this is correct
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 28, 2022, 05:48:24 AM
It's mostly because his signing bonus is prorated over the course of the contract, but gets accelerated into one year when he is retired, cut or traded.
got it, thanks
Frankly, I thought Love looked good, considering the circumstance.
Peddle his ass for Zach Wilson, hey?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 28, 2022, 05:50:49 AM
The future is bleak in Green Bay.
Take the cap hit and pray
They knew this was going to happen, but, rightly or wrongly, they mortgaged the future for Aaron.
Sultan is right though, that they need to clean house. Rodgers has covered up the shortcomings of Gutey and LaFluer the last few years.
Quote from: Jockey on November 28, 2022, 10:17:03 AM
They knew this was going to happen, but, rightly or wrongly, they mortgaged the future for Aaron.
Sultan is right though, that they need to clean house. Rodgers has covered up the shortcomings of Gutey and LaFluer the last few years.
LaFluer and Gutey wrongly hitched their wagons to a know-it-all coach killer
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/28/aaron-rodgers-wants-to-play-until-packers-are-mathematically-eliminated/
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 28, 2022, 04:53:41 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/28/aaron-rodgers-wants-to-play-until-packers-are-mathematically-eliminated/
Well, if GM/Coach Rodgers says so, I guess it has to happen.
RIP John Hadl
Not Hadl's fault, but one of the worst trades in NFL history
I'm surprised the Packers put up with Rogers crap this long. Whether it's injuries or attitude or ??? he just doesn't have it this year. Time to find out if the young guy can cut it.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2022/12/03/aaron-rodgers-celebrates-birthday-at-milwaukee-bucks-los-angeles-lakers-game-sits-by-mallory-edens/69697666007/
Any chance he's porkin' da duck, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 04, 2022, 10:03:37 AM
Any chance he's porkin' da duck, hey?
In the old days they said to abstain from that during the season because " it weakens the knees "......
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 04, 2022, 10:03:37 AM
Any chance he's porkin' da duck, hey?
No. They frequently sit together.
Rodgers is a minority owner of the Bucks.
Eye know all dat. One duzant preclude da udder, aina?
Time for my weekly comment...
Joe Barry Carroll has the boys ready again. ;D ;D ;D
Team has checked out. They've played one good half of football since London.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on December 04, 2022, 01:10:35 PM
Team has checked out. They've played one good half of football since London.
Coaches checked out too. How do you not challenge that play?
R e l a X, aina?
SKOL VIKINGS!
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on December 04, 2022, 01:10:35 PM
Team has checked out. They've played one good half of football since London.
Like clockwork. 😂😂😂
Can at least say there wasn't a complete waste this season, has been fun watching Watson start to figure things out.
Da bears still suck. They won't be good enough before the team has to start paying fields a real salary.
Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on December 04, 2022, 02:55:59 PM
Like clockwork. 😂😂😂
Never fails to happen.
I just posted in the NFL thread, but waited a couple minutes to post because of the jinx.
#12 Enjoys playing the Bears.
https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1599518301175959553
https://sports.yahoo.com/aaron-rodgers-once-again-teases-bears-fans-calls-soldier-field-his-second-home-and-says-he-still-owns-team-223403750.html
Packers are all time winningest team in NFL History after yesterdays win.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/04/packers-get-win-no-787-pass-bears-for-most-all-time-wins-in-nfl-history/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/06/packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-wont-sacrifice-winning-for-playing-jordan-love/
Leonhard potential GB defensive coordinator?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/07/jim-leonhard-to-leave-wisconsin-providing-defensive-coordinator-candidate-for-packers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 07, 2022, 01:47:11 PM
Leonhard potential GB defensive coordinator?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/07/jim-leonhard-to-leave-wisconsin-providing-defensive-coordinator-candidate-for-packers/
Pass. He might be an upgrade from Barry, but there are plenty of more qualified candidates.
Bye week helped Rodgers ailments
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/13/aaron-rodgers-thumb-ribs-doing-better/amp/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/16/packers-chances-of-making-playoffs-with-4-0-finish-keep-improving/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 16, 2022, 02:01:25 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/16/packers-chances-of-making-playoffs-with-4-0-finish-keep-improving/
This is the scenario I'm hoping for. That way, they'll convince themselves to "run it back"
Defense needs to step up for Packers to have a chance to make playoffs
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/16/packers-defense-must-step-up-to-challenge-down-the-stretch-of-2022/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 16, 2022, 10:03:08 PM
Defense needs to step up for Packers to have a chance to make playoffs
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/16/packers-defense-must-step-up-to-challenge-down-the-stretch-of-2022/
No reason to believe they won't
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 16, 2022, 10:03:08 PM
Defense needs to step up for Packers to have a chance to make playoffs
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/16/packers-defense-must-step-up-to-challenge-down-the-stretch-of-2022/
That ship has long since sailed. Second year in a row a totally in over his head, incompetent coordinator has ruined their season. Terrible reflection of LaFleur, Gutekunst, and Murphy they hired disasters Drayton and Barry. Both had no business being hired for the jobs they failed miserably in.
I am increasingly convinced the problem is the GM and not the coaching staff. Bisaccia is supposed to be one of the better special teams coaches out there, and their special teams has been no better this year. And last year the defense wasn't great...but wasn't awful...and certainly not the reason they were knocked out of the playoffs. (To be clear, I think Barry needs to be replaced.)
There just enough talent throughout the roster. Sure they hit on picks here and there, but the middle of the draft is where you have to consistently find talent to fill out your special teams and that steps up when others are injured. And it just isn't happening.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 18, 2022, 08:59:52 AM
I am increasingly convinced the problem is the GM and not the coaching staff. Bisaccia is supposed to be one of the better special teams coaches out there, and their special teams has been no better this year. And last year the defense wasn't great...but wasn't awful...and certainly not the reason they were knocked out of the playoffs. (To be clear, I think Barry needs to be replaced.)
There just enough talent throughout the roster. Sure they hit on picks here and there, but the middle of the draft is where you have to consistently find talent to fill out your special teams and that steps up when others are injured. And it just isn't happening.
Personally, I think there is a major disconnect between the Murphy, Gute, and LaFleur. The defense is loaded with great talent that is going to waste because of defensive scheme. Barry should be canned without a doubt. But MLF seem to have zero ability to evaluate talent. He doesn't have the players to run the system he wants, but continues to run the system despite not having the talent required for it. For the first time in a long time I feel like the Packers aren't drafting smart players. They have a ton of athletes, but none that fit what the schemes are trying to accomplish.
Gute seems to change his draft strategy every year. This year he seemed to only care about RAS scores. Either way, you're exactly right, the mid rounds just feels like he is throwing darts randomly and hoping to get a player that works out. And they're not. He should trade every 3rd rounder considering the value he's been getting.
Anyway, I just don't get the overall team strategy... and I'm not sure they even have one.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 18, 2022, 09:41:49 AM
Personally, I think there is a major disconnect between the Murphy, Gute, and LaFleur. The defense is loaded with great talent that is going to waste because of defensive scheme. Barry should be canned without a doubt. But MLF seem to have zero ability to evaluate talent. He doesn't have the players to run the system he wants, but continues to run the system despite not having the talent required for it. For the first time in a long time I feel like the Packers aren't drafting smart players. They have a ton of athletes, but none that fit what the schemes are trying to accomplish.
Gute seems to change his draft strategy every year. This year he seemed to only care about RAS scores. Either way, you're exactly right, the mid rounds just feels like he is throwing darts randomly and hoping to get a player that works out. And they're not. He should trade every 3rd rounder considering the value he's been getting.
Anyway, I just don't get the overall team strategy... and I'm not sure they even have one.
Reading that and I do ponder the notion they should just clean house including the QB
A new President will be interesting max. Will it be an in-house hire or do they go out and get someone with a fresh perspective? Is it a football guy or a Harlan type? Change is coming sooner than later
Sammy Watkins..... adieu.
Didant contribute chit anyway, hey?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2022, 09:46:18 AM
Reading that and I do ponder the notion they should just clean house including the QB
A new President will be interesting max. Will it be an in-house hire or do they go out and get someone with a fresh perspective? Is it a football guy or a Harlan type? Change is coming sooner than later
I am about pretty sure the new President will be Ed Policy.
https://www.packers.com/team/front-office-roster/ed-policy
Of course, I could be as wrong about that as I was the next Wisconsin football coach.
ND grad? Welp. There goes the neighborhood
Quote from: JWags85 on December 19, 2022, 02:45:30 PM
ND grad? Welp. There goes the neighborhood
Just like Curly Lambeau.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 19, 2022, 02:07:26 PM
I am about pretty sure the new President will be Ed Policy.
https://www.packers.com/team/front-office-roster/ed-policy
Of course, I could be as wrong about that as I was the next Wisconsin football coach.
Son of Carmen Policy of 49ers fame. Has a nice resume
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/19/packers-releasing-wr-sammy-watkins-after-13-catches-in-9-games/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 19, 2022, 06:36:14 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/19/packers-releasing-wr-sammy-watkins-after-13-catches-in-9-games/
Gutey's Folly
Good to see to see Packers with a comfortable 3rd quarter lead.Need to keep building on it in 4th
WTF was Rasul Douglas doing?
That should've been blown dead well before the fumble.
Playoff Hopes still alive
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-24-rams-12-what-went-right-what-went-wrong-what-it-means/
Basically the Pack needs to win out and get some (reasonable) help to steal the 7 seed right? If they lose to either Miami or Minnesota I think it means that all three of the Hawks, Lions, and Commies need to lose out.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 20, 2022, 06:50:03 AM
Basically the Pack needs to win out and get some (reasonable) help to steal the 7 seed right? If they lose to either Miami or Minnesota I think it means that all three of the Hawks, Lions, and Commies need to lose out.
Hope kneeling on the one yard line on end doesn't come back to haunt Packers if a playoff tie breaker came to point differential.....
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/20/matt-lafleur-on-kneeldown-at-1-yard-line-theres-a-way-you-handle-winning-in-this-league/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 20, 2022, 07:29:13 AM
Hope kneeling on the one yard line on end doesn't come back to haunt Packers if a playoff tie breaker came to point differential.....
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/20/matt-lafleur-on-kneeldown-at-1-yard-line-theres-a-way-you-handle-winning-in-this-league/
It's 10th on the tiebreaker list, so it won't be a problem.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 20, 2022, 11:24:13 AM
It's 10th on the tiebreaker list, so it won't be a problem.
Surprised Coach Rodgers didn't try to pad his stats there
Interesting film study on Packers rookie receivers
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/21/packers-film-room-romeo-doubs-christian-watson-show-different-skill-sets-vs-rams/
Defense needs to step up against Tua
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/23/head-coach-matt-lafleur-challenge-facing-tua-tagovailoa/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 23, 2022, 10:38:19 AM
Defense needs to step up against Tua
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/23/head-coach-matt-lafleur-challenge-facing-tua-tagovailoa/
Well, they shouldn't step down
Dat wood bea Joe Barry, aina?
Packers playoff hopes improving .Chiefs leading Seattle and Panthers leading Lions.
Packers still need to sweep remaining games .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 24, 2022, 01:50:08 PM
Packers playoff hopes improving .Chiefs leading Seattle and Panthers leading Lions.
Packers still need to sweep remaining games .
Outlook getting brighter for Packers if they run the table.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/24/playoff-hopeful-packers-unwrap-perfect-present-on-christmas-eve/
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2022/12/24/sports/sports-breaking/tagovailoa-has-a-tough-task-ahead-of-him-against-rodgers/amp/
Rodgers -14 yards starting from 6 yard line. Bring in Love.
Packers have 21 pts easy already if they stopped trying to Rodgers stat pad and used they elite RB duo.
The refusal to run is absolutely mind blowing. As it is, they are fortunate to even have 10
Rodgers overthrow on easy TD to watson. Bring in Love.
250 yards and they are barely into the 2nd quarter.
DBs running in circles everywhere except where the WRs are.
Moronically coached football team
This fookin' team is total trash. Peddle the whole bunch from Murphy down to the kickin' tee picker upper, aina?
JaireIslandSZN
The amount of special teams blunders has been unreal today. And that's with Nixon's one return trying to negate it.
The lack of accountability for this team is pretty incredible.
Not able to watch the game. Based on the posts here I am guessing the packers are down what 4 touchdowns?
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 25, 2022, 01:48:33 PM
Not able to watch the game. Based on the posts here I am guessing the packers are down what 4 touchdowns?
20-20 tie 3rd quarter
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 25, 2022, 01:57:29 PM
20-20 tie 3rd quarter
Imagine the gnashing of teeth if they were losing!
Nice pick Aaron. Bring in Love.
This game has been like reading an EKG of a heart attack.
Is Watson made of porcelain?
Rodgers is so funny.
Gets pissed at Dillon who gets ball back anyways.
But can't run it again, no way. Ego too strong. Aaron wants the ball.
Throws for -5 instead.
If Pack use their runnings backs they are up 14
Curious decisions on third down and then to kick the FG to only go up 6.
Santa Tua.
Was late to turn the game on. Just decided not worth it based on this thread. Was the loss by 35 or 42?
I guess they have to play Rodgers next week.
Tremendous win keeps playoff hopes alive.
On to the Vikings at home.
As a Dolphins fan, reading back through this thread after the game is really something.
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 25, 2022, 04:32:36 PM
As a Dolphins fan, reading back through this thread after the game is really something.
I was shocked at how inept Tua was.
Quote from: Jockey on December 25, 2022, 05:02:23 PM
I was shocked at how inept Tua was.
This. I hadn't seen the Dolphins much this season before this game. He looked about as bad as any starting QB I've seen.
Obviously, the numbers say he'd been having a very good season. Heck, there was MVP talk until just a few weeks ago IIRC. So, a one-game aberration?
Quote from: MU82 on December 26, 2022, 08:53:33 AM
This. I hadn't seen the Dolphins much this season before this game. He looked about as bad as any starting QB I've seen.
Obviously, the numbers say he'd been having a very good season. Heck, there was MVP talk until just a few weeks ago IIRC. So, a one-game aberration?
No hes bad when forced to throw something other than slants to two of the most gifted receivers in the league.
Its not ever gonna change.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 26, 2022, 09:22:40 AM
No hes bad when forced to throw something other than slants to two of the most gifted receivers in the league.
Its not ever gonna change.
This. He'd been bailed out so many times by Hill and Waddle.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 26, 2022, 09:22:40 AM
No hes bad when forced to throw something other than slants to two of the most gifted receivers in the league.
Its not ever gonna change.
I don't wanna bail on the guy, but my pessimism is starting to creep in. Teams are just loading up the middle of the field to clog the slants and crossers, which is coincidentally also some of the easiest coverage to disguise a blitz. Tua has been 100% unable to open up the field horizontally, and his only recourse has been to throw ugly fades to try to stretch the field north-south.
I love to make fun of the early aughts where all that mattered was QB arm strength. That era gave us the Sex Cannon, Kyle Boller getting picked 19th solely because he threw the ball threw the uprights from the 50 yard line on his knees, and a host of other ghosts of Jeff George. It was a beautiful and hilarious time. But I'm getting afraid that Tua is what you get when you can't make all the throws. It sounds ridiculous for a guy leading the league in yds/att by almost a yard, but the eye test says a ton of his deep balls are underthrown, and Hill and Waddle are #3 and #4 in the league among WRs in YAC.
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 26, 2022, 10:15:36 AM
I don't wanna bail on the guy, but my pessimism is starting to creep in. Teams are just loading up the middle of the field to clog the slants and crossers, which is coincidentally also some of the easiest coverage to disguise a blitz. Tua has been 100% unable to open up the field horizontally, and his only recourse has been to throw ugly fades to try to stretch the field north-south.
I love to make fun of the early aughts where all that mattered was QB arm strength. That era gave us the Sex Cannon, Kyle Boller getting picked 19th solely because he threw the ball threw the uprights from the 50 yard line on his knees, and a host of other ghosts of Jeff George. It was a beautiful and hilarious time. But I'm getting afraid that Tua is what you get when you can't make all the throws. It sounds ridiculous for a guy leading the league in yds/att by almost a yard, but the eye test says a ton of his deep balls are underthrown, and Hill and Waddle are #3 and #4 in the league among WRs in YAC.
Joe Barry is a helluva coordinator
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 26, 2022, 10:15:36 AM
I love to make fun of the early aughts where all that mattered was QB arm strength. That era gave us the Sex Cannon, Kyle Boller getting picked 19th solely because he threw the ball threw the uprights from the 50 yard line on his knees, and a host of other ghosts of Jeff George. It was a beautiful and hilarious time.
Burrow, I remember Joe Gilliam back in the 70's, I think, who beat out Terry Bradshaw solely because oh his cannon. And remember, Terry may not have been able to spell cat when spotted the 'c' and 't', but he wasn't some weak armed wimp.
This.
Packers make the playoffs.
Quote from: Jockey on December 26, 2022, 11:50:11 AM
Burrow, I remember Joe Gilliam back in the 70's, I think, who beat out Terry Bradshaw solely because oh his cannon. And remember, Terry may not have been able to spell cat when spotted the 'c' and 't', but he wasn't some weak armed wimp.
Jefferson Street Joe was TSU's finest. Sad story of what happens when football players and drugs connect.
Gilliam probably was a better quarterback than Bradshaw. But Bradshaw didn't snort his potential away through his nose. Incredible waste of talent.-
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/good-bad-and-ugly-from-packers-week-16-win-over-dolphins/
Quote from: Jockey on December 26, 2022, 02:55:29 PM
If they beat Minny.
They need more than just doing that.
But talk about fools gold them making the playoffs. Rodgers playing like a horse's ass in another postseason. Worse, organization figuring things are just fine with a run to get in the playoffs and no need to fire Barry. They're not going to make any run if they get in. They only keep costing themselves draft position and for what.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 26, 2022, 06:31:10 PM
They need more than just doing that.
But talk about fools gold them making the playoffs. Rodgers playing like a horse's ass in another postseason. Worse, organization figuring things are just fine with a run to get in the playoffs and no need to fire Barry. They're not going to make any run if they get in. They only keep costing themselves draft position and for what.
Well, IMHO you always want to make the playoffs. There have been several teams that have barely qualified that have won playoff games, and a few that even have gotten to the Super Bowl.
Quote from: MU82 on December 26, 2022, 06:45:44 PM
Well, IMHO you always want to make the playoffs. There have been several teams that have barely qualified that have won playoff games, and a few that even have gotten to the Super Bowl.
True anything can and has happened once you're in. No argument. Packers have had that happen exactly once in the Rodgers/ Favre years when they won it all in 2010-11 as the 6th seed. Other two SB years in the 90's they were seeded #1 and #2 in the NFC. They'd be looking at best case 7 seed this year. Unlikely they pass the Giants.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 26, 2022, 07:34:08 PM
True anything can and has happened once you're in. No argument. Packers have had that happen exactly once in the Rodgers/ Favre years when they won it all in 2010-11 as the 6th seed. Other two SB years in the 90's they were seeded #1 and #2 in the NFC. They'd be looking at best case 7 seed this year. Unlikely they pass the Giants.
Tampa won it all as the 6 seed just a few years ago, too.
Obviously, it's a long shot ... but if you can make the playoffs, you make the playoffs.
As Herm Edwards said: "You play to win the game!"
Packers beat Minny in Week 16 and in round 1 of playoffs....
Quote from: Jockey on December 26, 2022, 02:55:29 PM
If they beat Minny.
Whats better:
1) Jaire's post game interview: https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1607130803607146503?s=20&t=poPqFkrMOfPhl2I-8HFnuA (https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1607130803607146503?s=20&t=poPqFkrMOfPhl2I-8HFnuA)
2) Jaire's exit mock of Waddle: https://twitter.com/UndefeatedRatio/status/1607125350051450882?s=20&t=poPqFkrMOfPhl2I-8HFnuA (https://twitter.com/UndefeatedRatio/status/1607125350051450882?s=20&t=poPqFkrMOfPhl2I-8HFnuA)
Wonder whether Tua's concussion had anything to do with those three late game interceptions?
Just asking.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 27, 2022, 05:44:52 AM
Wonder whether Tua's concussion had anything to do with those three late game interceptions?
Just asking.
They were some stupid bad throws.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 27, 2022, 07:27:35 AM
They were some stupid bad throws.
The concussion makes them seem a lot more explainable. Otherwise, i told my BIL it looked like he was on the take. Like not even close or reasonable. I really wanted a camera on McDaniels presumably losing his mind
Quote from: JWags85 on December 27, 2022, 08:25:35 AM
The concussion makes them seem a lot more explainable. Otherwise, i told my BIL it looked like he was on the take. Like not even close or reasonable. I really wanted a camera on McDaniels presumably losing his mind
Part of it is play-calling, too. They had 82 yards on 17 runs. Run the damn ball. I know possessions got limited for them late but run the ball against the Packers
rodgers getting more comfortable with his guys and the fact that he now participates in group film reviews during the week has got to help...duh? i can't believe the prima donna didn't realize the importance of this of he finally got enough chit from his peeps to get his chit together.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 27, 2022, 08:57:36 AM
rodgers getting more comfortable with his guys and the fact that he now participates in group film reviews during the week has got to help...duh? i can't believe the prima donna didn't realize the importance of this of he finally got enough chit from his peeps to get his chit together.
You fell for a false narrative again.
https://journaltimes.com/sports/football/professional/yes-the-packers-wide-receivers-do-meet-with-aaron-rodgers-matt-lafleur-clarifies/article_c5e25231-2fc2-5ba3-ba0c-121e557db51a.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_Journaltimes
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 27, 2022, 09:21:25 AM
You fell for a false narrative again.
https://journaltimes.com/sports/football/professional/yes-the-packers-wide-receivers-do-meet-with-aaron-rodgers-matt-lafleur-clarifies/article_c5e25231-2fc2-5ba3-ba0c-121e557db51a.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_Journaltimes
i don't get the journaltimes. i was listening to the guys commenting during the game and they didn't use the disclaimer that i am aware of that they got their info from this source. "false narrative' ?? i know you wanted to get me in a "gotcha" moment as usual, but my source was the commentators...don't know where they got their info
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 27, 2022, 09:28:06 AM
i don't get the journaltimes. i was listening to the guys commenting during the game and they didn't use the disclaimer that i am aware of that they got their info from this source. "false narrative' ?? i know you wanted to get me in a "gotcha" moment as usual, but my source was the commentators...don't know where they got their info
Did you read what I posted? LaFleur debunked what the commentators said FIVE days ago.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 27, 2022, 09:35:01 AM
Did you read what I posted? LaFleur debunked what the commentators said FIVE days ago.
If it's not on InfoWars or the Babylon Bee, how do you expect him to know?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 27, 2022, 08:56:01 AM
Part of it is play-calling, too. They had 82 yards on 17 runs. Run the damn ball. I know possessions got limited for them late but run the ball against the Packers
Fair but through the mid 3rd, before Tua and his concussion brain went AWOL, Hill had 3 catches for 84 and Waddle had 4 for 124. They were absolutely torching the Packers secondary. And Mosert had a fumble late in the first half and their drive in the 3rd largely stalled due to ineffective running plays. So I can see it both ways
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 27, 2022, 08:56:01 AM
Part of it is play-calling, too. They had 82 yards on 17 runs. Run the damn ball. I know possessions got limited for them late but run the ball against the Packers
Miami did run the ball 8 times out of 18 plays they had in the second half. That ratio is fine. They had 8 carries for 24 yards. The Packers did a good job of shutting down the run after giving up 58 yards on 10 carries in the first half.
All valid points.
Coach discusses Packers Red Zone issues
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/27/packers-offense-still-searching-for-answers-in-red-zone/
Packers would have been better off losing and getting an impactful draft pick.
Will be hilarious if they squeak into the playoffs and get blown out immediately, which they undoubtedly will, and are stuck being crap again next season.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 27, 2022, 09:35:01 AM
Did you read what I posted? LaFleur debunked what the commentators said FIVE days ago.
i only pay about 1/2 attention to you. most of your crap goes in one eye and out the other.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 27, 2022, 09:15:20 PM
i only pay about 1/2 attention to you. most of your crap goes in one eye and out the other.
If you want to stay ignorant, that's your right.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on December 27, 2022, 09:15:20 PM
i only pay about 1/2 attention to you. most of your crap goes in one eye and out the other.
This explains much
The Athletic gave "up" and "down" grades to various NFL GMs.
Down: Brian Gutekunst, Green Bay Packers
The Packers (7-8) went from three straight 13-win seasons to struggling just to stay around .500 in 2022. A big reason for these struggles is related to the decision to trade top wide receiver Davante Adams to Las Vegas, leaving an aging (and highly paid) Aaron Rodgers without reliable and consistent game-changers. Moves on defense also haven't translated into improvement for the Packers, who are in danger of missing the playoffs.
Pack needs to get healthy for Sunday's Big Game
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/28/packers-vs-vikings-wednesday-injury-report-what-to-know/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 29, 2022, 07:54:38 AM
Pack needs to get healthy for Sunday's Big Game
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/28/packers-vs-vikings-wednesday-injury-report-what-to-know/
Yeah, but at this time of year, that is every team in the NFL.
A lot of success is just avoiding the attrition that a 17 game season brings.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/29/aaron-rodgers-vikings-have-been-better-than-bears-which-makes-our-rivalry-more-intense/amp/
Not sure whats more cracked.
Alexander giving the best receiver in football extra motivation calling the week 1 torching a fluke
Or Alexander ranking said receiver below Jaylen goddamn Waddle.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/packers-allen-lazard-fined-over-10k-for-taunt-after-huge-block/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 31, 2022, 06:23:35 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/packers-allen-lazard-fined-over-10k-for-taunt-after-huge-block/
Good. The packers set a bad example for the youth
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 31, 2022, 06:23:35 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/packers-allen-lazard-fined-over-10k-for-taunt-after-huge-block/
Hah that is so lame. That was the best thing Allen Lazard has done in the NFL. Players count the number of touchdowns and sacks on their fingers and aren't fined for it.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 31, 2022, 12:56:50 PM
Hah that is so lame. That was the best thing Allen Lazard has done in the NFL. Players count the number of touchdowns and sacks on their fingers and aren't fined for it.
It's lame that he was fined, but he was pointing in the direction of the players. Not the same thing.
Packers make wise move by elevating kicker from Practice Squad for kickoffs. He has a stronger leg than Mason Crosby for kickoffs . This will be important against the Vikings.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/31/packers-elevate-k-ramiz-ahmed-rb-tyler-goodson-from-practice-squad-to-gameday-roster-for-week-17/
Christian Watson game time decision
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1609446071670919169?cxt=HHwWgsC-sZmr89UsAAAA
Green Bay and Detroit both win today. Winner take all next week at Lambeau. GB wins big and makes the playoffs.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2023, 11:57:18 AM
Green Bay and Detroit both win today. Winner take all next week at Lambeau. GB wins big and makes the playoffs.
Commanders need to lose.
Browns early 3-0 lead on Commanders . Wentz threw an interception that lead to a field goal for Browns
Go Browns
Aargh Wentz sneaks for a touchdown right befor the half . Commanders will get possession to start 3rd quarter .
Cleveland up 17-7 early 4th
Browns up 24-10
Deshaun Watson making things happen for Browns
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2023, 02:29:36 PM
Browns up 24-10
Deshaun Watson making things happen for Browns
Making things happen gets him in legal trouble
Thanks to Browns win. Packers control their destiny now. Win out and they are in.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2023, 03:19:34 PM
Thanks to Browns win. Packers control their destiny now. Win out and their in .
Packers can't beat their own ST. Two terrible plays already.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2023, 03:19:34 PM
Thanks to Browns win. Packers control their destiny now. Win out and their in .
They're
Skol
Quote from: Jockey on January 01, 2023, 03:33:46 PM
Packers can't beat their own ST. Two terrible plays already.
Aged like milk
Nixon is a dude.
Yup, special teams.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 01, 2023, 03:39:30 PM
Aged like milk
Let me re-state:
Maybe the Packers' ST can beat the Packers ST.
As we have been saying, defense and special teams carrying this team.
Lol this game has been ridiculous.
Just an a$$ whipping.
Special teams!
I do love how mic'd up the goal posts are now for broadcasts.
Vikings still suck.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2023, 11:57:18 AM
Green Bay and Detroit both win today. Winner take all next week at Lambeau. GB wins big and makes the playoffs.
Still feeling good about this one. GB beats Detroit and is in.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2023, 05:08:18 PM
Still feeling good about this one. GB beats Detroit and is in.
Detroit is going to the playoffs and they'll win a game when they get in
Packers doing a great job of setting up maximum heartbreak next week.
Jaire Alexander brings so much to the Packer defense . Did a great job today .
Congrats to Uncle Rico! Rodgers finally gets benched.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 01, 2023, 06:06:32 PM
Congrats to Uncle Rico! Rodgers finally gets benched.
If the Packers are serious about winning in the playoffs, it's a good move
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2023, 05:21:49 PM
Detroit is going to the playoffs and they'll win a game when they get in
If the game was at Ford Field, then maybe. A dome team at Lambeau in January?
A team that has no experience in big games against an experienced team?
Goff in cold weather?
Pack by double digits.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2023, 06:32:31 PM
If the game was at Ford Field, then maybe. A dome team at Lambeau in January?
A team that has no experience in big games against an experienced team?
Goff in cold weather?
Pack by double digits.
My thoughts exactly. I don't know how many games Detroit has won outside in cold weather in Dec/Jan, but I could probably count them on one finger.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2023, 06:32:31 PM
If the game was at Ford Field, then maybe. A dome team at Lambeau in January?
A team that has no experience in big games against an experienced team?
Goff in cold weather?
Pack by double digits.
Lambeau in January hasn't had any mystique in decades
Pack has essentially been in the playoffs the past 4 weeks. Figurin' they'll win, but it'll be a bitch, hey?
Gotta figure dis game gets flexed ta prime tyme, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 01, 2023, 07:08:39 PM
Gotta figure dis game gets flexed ta prime tyme, aina?
Not with Seattle holding the tie breaker over the Lions. If Seattle wins, the Lions would have nothing to play for.
My guess is Jags / Titans.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2023, 06:54:36 PM
Lambeau in January hasn't had any mystique in decades
The Lions in January have never had any mystique.
Pack by double digits.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2023, 07:19:48 PM
The Lions in January have never had any mystique.
Pack by double digits.
I'm going to start calling you Muggsy
Going to be a physical brawl next week.
Packers defense had some get up and go today. I think that momentum will carry forward to the Lions game.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 01, 2023, 08:29:22 PM
Going to be a physical brawl next week.
Packers defense had some get up and go today. I think that momentum will carry forward to the Lions game.
Momentum isn't real
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2023, 07:42:58 PM
I'm going to start calling you Muggsy
LOL. OK. Make the case why Detroit wins.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2023, 09:06:02 PM
LOL. OK. Make the case why Detroit wins.
They're better
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2023, 09:19:26 PM
They're better
I actually agree they are better, but they aren't winning next week at Lambeau.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2023, 09:19:26 PM
They're better
Perhaps. But they aren't ready to win a win or go home game at Lambeau yet.
You talk about the Lambeau mystique. Part of that is outside in the cold. Detroit played their worst game in two months outside in the cold.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 01, 2023, 07:12:44 PM
Not with Seattle holding the tie breaker over the Lions. If Seattle wins, the Lions would have nothing to play for.
My guess is Jags / Titans.
Nope. Jags\Titans scheduled for Saturday.
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2023, 06:11:33 AM
Perhaps. But they aren't ready to win a win or go home game at Lambeau yet.
You talk about the Lambeau mystique. Part of that is outside in the cold. Detroit played their worst game in two months outside in the cold.
It'll be 26 and partly sunny according to the early forecast. The Packers current QB has been pretty mediocre in the cold recently.
Listen, you're probably right but I think there's more than a real chance for the Lions to win this game
Detroit has had a wonderful second half of the season. They spit the bit a week ago in cold weather on the road when they had the opportunity to control their own destiny. I think the air is going to be too cold and the lights too bright this time.
I don't think the problem will be the cold. The problem will be the playing surface. I think you saw that yesterday with Minnesota.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 02, 2023, 07:32:28 AM
It'll be 26 and partly sunny according to the early forecast. The Packers current QB has been pretty mediocre in the cold recently.
Listen, you're probably right but I think there's more than a real chance for the Lions to win this game
The Lions can beat the Packers. While I don't wish that to happen, it is a possibility. GB needs to be prepared. Lions would love to be the spoiler.
Also, GB controls its own destiny. Detroit needs Seattle to lose, or else beating GB means nothing. Other than knocking GB out of the playoffs.
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2023, 08:04:49 AM
Also, GB controls its own destiny. Detroit needs Seattle to lose, or else beating GB means nothing. Other than knocking GB out of the playoffs.
I mean, that ought to be motivation enough. You can't get in without winning.
Restore the roar!
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2023, 07:42:59 AM
Detroit has had a wonderful second half of the season. They spit the bit a week ago in cold weather on the road when they had the opportunity to control their own destiny. I think the air is going to be too cold and the lights too bright this time.
This is a good time for Detroit fans. They get a Playoff game this week against Green Bay. They also will have 2 high picks in the 1st round to strengthen their defense. Detroit fans should be more optimistic about their future than they have been for many years.
5 picks in the top 80. And yes, an exceedingly young team gets a taste of the playoff experience this week.
Quote from: Jockey on January 02, 2023, 12:29:46 PM
This is a good time for Detroit fans. They get a Playoff game this week against Green Bay. They also will have 2 high picks in the 1st round to strengthen their defense. Detroit fans should be more optimistic about their future than they have been for many years.
I loved Campbell in Hard Knocks. Beyond being likeable, he seemed a really good fit in terms of motivation, accountability, and belief for not only an organization like the Lions, but the team they had assembled. And that seems to be true
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/02/packers-to-host-lions-on-sunday-night-football-in-week-18/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/03/packers-sign-2-players-including-k-matt-ammendola-to-practice-squad/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/03/regular-season-finale-between-packers-and-lions-actually-looks-like-heavyweight-bout/
Supposedly Rodgers is dating Mallory Edens. First thought is "it's about time." Second is, I hope his ex doesn't curse the Packers this weekend.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 06, 2023, 11:34:49 AM
Supposedly Rodgers is dating Mallory Edens. First thought is "it's about time." Second is, I hope his ex doesn't curse the Packers this weekend.
Reeks of yet another PR play for ol A-A-ron
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 06, 2023, 11:34:49 AM
Supposedly Rodgers is dating Mallory Edens. First thought is "it's about time." Second is, I hope his ex doesn't curse the Packers this weekend.
Probably would be the most 'normal' person he has dated.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 06, 2023, 11:34:49 AM
Supposedly Rodgers is dating Mallory Edens. First thought is "it's about time." Second is, I hope his ex doesn't curse the Packers this weekend.
Well, not that I thought they'd win it this year, but the Bucks definitely don't have a chance now
Princeton grad is smarter than #12. But, then again she's 13 years his junior. That keeps ya young and the juices flowin'. Pack in 6, aina?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 06, 2023, 12:19:04 PM
Probably would be the most 'normal' person he has dated.
Do you know her?
Quote from: Jockey on January 06, 2023, 02:13:08 PM
Do you know her?
Considering he dated a racecar driver, an actress, and a witch most recently, I'm not sure that I have to.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 06, 2023, 01:43:13 PM
Princeton grad is smarter than #12. But, then again she's 13 years his junior. That keeps ya young and the juices flowin'. Pack in 6, aina?
He chokes worse when he's dating
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 06, 2023, 02:17:17 PM
Considering he dated a racecar driver, an actress, and a witch most recently, I'm not sure that I have to.
You made a statement without any evidence.
Quote from: Jockey on January 06, 2023, 05:39:05 PM
You made a statement without any evidence.
He said "probably". Don't think opining on AR's girlfriend's is a court of law matter, honestly.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 06, 2023, 08:12:30 PM
He said "probably". Don't think opining on AR's girlfriend's is a court of law matter, honestly.
I like to make fun of Arod as much as the next guy - as long as that guy isn't Rico - but sometimes it gets pretty silly.
Some good thumb nail facts in this article.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/07/green-bay-packers-vs-detroit-lions-week-18-game-preview/
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 06, 2023, 02:17:17 PM
Considering he dated a racecar driver, an actress, and a witch most recently, I'm not sure that I have to.
Now add heiress
Good for Aaron. Like everyone else, he deserves happiness.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 06, 2023, 01:43:13 PM
Princeton grad is smarter than #12. But, then again she's 13 years his junior. That keeps ya young and the juices flowin'. Pack in 6, aina?
The Duck and #12 Confirmed per this report.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-dating-mallory-edens-daughter-bucks-owner-report
Wooof! I guess she's loaded so there's that.
Lions say Rodgers disrespecting them.
https://www.mlive.com/lions/2023/01/deshon-elliott-bashes-aaron-rodgers-i-dont-like-none-of-that-expletive.html?outputType=amp
Well, wen ya got a 26 yo billionaire on ur arm, ya kan sey anythin', aina?
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 08, 2023, 08:47:19 AM
Lions say Rodgers disrespecting them.
https://www.mlive.com/lions/2023/01/deshon-elliott-bashes-aaron-rodgers-i-dont-like-none-of-that-expletive.html?outputType=amp
LOL...OK.
There was a version of that out last Monday. I posted it.
To be fair, prior to the last two months, what had the Lions done to force him to respect them.
I still think GB by double digits.
Quote from: Jockey on January 06, 2023, 11:02:33 PM
I like to make fun of Arod as much as the next guy - as long as that guy isn't Rico - but sometimes it gets pretty silly.
Just walk away.
Watching ESPN Gameday, so which Packer pissed in Rex Ryan's Cheerios?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/08/packers-to-honor-damar-hamlin-with-subtle-change-to-lambeau-field/
BTW, part of my reason for expecting a
big win by the Packers is that I expect Seattle to win and Detroit to have nothing to play for.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2023, 03:13:10 PM
BTW, part of my reason for expecting a
big win by the Packers is that I expect Seattle to win and Detroit to have nothing to play for.
Lions Coach will have his squad fired up no matter what happens . Lions have a promising future and winning this game does a lot for them playoffs or not
This article talks about some keys to the game
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/5-keys-to-packers-beating-lions-in-regular-season-finale/
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2023, 03:13:10 PM
BTW, part of my reason for expecting a
big win by the Packers is that I expect Seattle to win and Detroit to have nothing to play for.
Step 1.
Looks like 25 degrees at Game time
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 08, 2023, 06:36:42 PM
Looks like 25 degrees at Game time
Not good. It was that cold against San Francisco
Pack needs to score a TD on an opportunity like that
Good play call...
QB sneak was there.
Need to go north, not east or west.
Lots of deception going on
Just try some straight up plays
Hutchinson is legit
Has been all year.
GB, run the ball, play action, bootleg, patience.
Fix is in. Can't believe people gamble on this sport
Two brutal plays by savage in a row.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2023, 08:13:08 PM
Fix is in. Can't believe people gamble on this sport
https://mobile.twitter.com/Justin_Rogers/status/1612269365709127681?cxt=HHwWgoCylcWc998sAAAA
Lions are feeding off Rodgers cockiness
Every team playing for the last playoff berths in each conference are garbage
Did the packers put their hands in ice baths pregame?
Collinsworth praising Barry was something.
What in the hell?
That was really odd.
GB is too stupid to be in Playoffs.
That kick needed the extra 15 yards too.
The only thing I can think of is that he thought a time out had been called.
This, they are so dumb. It may be doing a favor to lose to not have to go to SF and show more stupidity...
Quote from: Jockey on January 08, 2023, 08:49:20 PM
GB is too stupid to be in Playoffs.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2023, 08:49:57 PM
The only thing I can think of is that he thought a time out had been called.
Even so, what in the hell would possess you to do that?
Quote from: JWags85 on January 08, 2023, 08:53:20 PM
Even so, what in the hell would possess you to do that?
I think he didn't want them to get a practice kick. I'm not sure him grabbing the ball was the penalty. I think he shoved someone afterwards.
But yeah, it was stupid as hell.
Quote from: JWags85 on January 08, 2023, 08:53:20 PM
Even so, what in the hell would possess you to do that?
Because he lost his mind. It was just stupid.
QUIT. THROWING. KNEE-HIGH. PASSES.
Quote from: Jockey on January 08, 2023, 09:15:19 PM
QUIT. THROWING. KNEE-HIGH. PASSES.
I agree with this analysis
Absolutely brutal. Reminds me of the Niner playoff game last year.
Packers need to put points on the board this next series . Lions are getting hot and could pull away.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2023, 09:18:03 PM
Absolutely brutal. Reminds me of the Niner playoff game last year.
I feel like Rodgers has to keep talk about how excited he is to play in the cold in order to convince himself that he likes it. He's looked pretty bad in cold weather games for a couple of years now.
Too much dancing from Nixon tonight. His returning success has come from running upfield.
Mike Tirico is having a rough night.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 08, 2023, 09:23:41 PM
I feel like Rodgers has to keep talk about how excited he is to play in the cold in order to convince himself that he likes it. He's looked pretty bad in cold weather games for a couple of years now.
He's been really bad the past two years. 2019 against Seattle, 2020 against LAR and Tampa he was very good.
Walker absolutely should be ejected.
Stupid!!!!
Again!!!!
I've never seen someone push a plain clothes sideline member before. Quay has managed to do that twice this season. Unreal
Wow.
Just so undisciplined.
Losing composure and becoming unlikeable.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 08, 2023, 09:57:03 PM
Just so undisciplined.
That's on the coach. We've seen it over and over.
Reminds me of a Forrest Gregg team.
Of all weeks to shove an athletic trainer, and two Packer defenders actually did, that's really incredible how stupid that is.
Walker will surely be suspended as well.
What's worse, the stupidity of the players, the absolute garbage offense in the red zone, or defense playing pretty well but giving up huge plays....
All season long...
Wow #7 is an out right punk with that move .
Packers have to score a TD on this drive or their season is over .
Oh...boy.
game on the line and Rodgers folds like a cheap suit...
Time to blow this up. The entire thing. GM on down.
Need to be some changes this off-season.
Deja vus all over again
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2023, 10:07:52 PM
Time to blow this up. The entire thing. GM on down.
That's harsh on LaFleur.
Very impressed with how hard and well the Lions are playing.
They had to be crushed by what happened in the Seattle game, and yet they are playing this game like it's the Super Bowl.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 08, 2023, 10:09:30 PM
That's harsh on LaFleur.
He's fine. Hardly irreplaceable.
That was an awesome playcall.
Seriously nothing about this team looks well coached. For the third season in a row the chronic problems that plagued their play were just not addressed.
Might be the last time in a while you can say this. But if you lose to the Lions twice in a season, you don't deserve to make the playoffs.
I think the Lions got a good one in Campbell.
This game is a microcosm of the whole season:
1. mind numbing stupid plays
2. horrible red zone execution
3. defense playing well pretty well but giving up huge plays
4. Rodgers not executing in the 4th qtr
just missing a special teams blunder...
Wow. Gutsy call there.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2023, 10:12:10 PM
He's fine. Hardly irreplaceable.
Everything should be on the table. GM, HC, ARod. Everything.
Da Bears.
I was wrong about this game. The Lions showed up better than I expected.
I am stunned by the stupidity of those two plays by Green Bay. I am stunned at the play calling by GB.
Congratulations, Seattle.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 08, 2023, 10:18:24 PM
Wow. Gutsy call there.
Not really. Packers had no chance to go 85 yards with no timeouts.
This game was a microcosm of the entire season.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 08, 2023, 10:18:00 PM
I think the Lions got a good one in Campbell.
Yep. I was wrong about that.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2023, 10:22:51 PM
Not really. Packers had no chance to go 85 yards with no timeouts.
I was talking about the previous play with the lateral.
Got to believe Rodgers is done. Looks and sounds like a guy ready to retire.
Packers in for a world of a hurt when it happens, because of the absurd contract.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 08, 2023, 10:24:32 PM
I was talking about the previous play with the lateral.
Oh that one. Yep. Good call.
Rodgers learning from Favre on how to milk it.
That would be an extra kick in the gut for the Packers. Restructure the deal to just have him retire.
I would like MLF to come back and have one season with Love. I'm ready for Rodgers to move on. BG, don't care either way.
I am so dumbfounded by the Packers I can't even rub it in about the Seahawks getting to the playoffs with Geno Smith.
If anything, the Lions should be in the playoffs.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2023, 10:22:32 PM
I was wrong about this game. The Lions showed up better than I expected.
I am stunned by the stupidity of those two plays by Green Bay. I am stunned at the play calling by GB.
Congratulations, Seattle.
So is Rodgers' contract a club option? I thought he signed a 4 yr deal?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 08, 2023, 10:24:32 PM
I was talking about the previous play with the lateral.
You get to play a lot more gutsy with nothing on the line
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 08, 2023, 10:29:31 PM
So is Rodgers' contract a club option? I thought he signed a 4 yr deal?
If he retires, the Packers are hit with a $40.3M dead cap charge.
Gutey being gone is what is needed. Keep or leave MLF, but when you're changing GMs just bring in someone he wants to work with.
Quote from: forgetful on January 08, 2023, 10:34:07 PM
If he retires, the Packers are hit with a $40.3M dead cap charge.
He looks like he's on his last legs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 08, 2023, 10:35:15 PM
He looks like he's on his last legs.
He hasn't exactly went out of his way to stay in shape, nor work with new receivers when they come in...unless you call doing ayahuasca getting in game shape.
It should be time for Rodgers to go (outside of the elephant in the room that is his contract).
Rodgers finishes 29 out of 32 in yards per attempt, his second highest interception total (highest interception percentage though in his career). Some value yardage stats more than others, and if that matters to you, he hasn't thrown for 300 yards in 20 straight games.
Sometimes it's just time, and it's time.
Carr for Rodgers.
Who says no?
That Jamal Williams interview is an instant classic. In the span of 60 seconds, he went from crying about his late great-grandfather to talking smack about pundits who picked the Packers.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on January 08, 2023, 10:47:37 PM
That Jamal Williams interview is an instant classic. In the span of 60 seconds, he went from crying about his late great-grandfather to talking smack about pundits who picked the Packers.
Jamal is a treasure.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 08, 2023, 10:32:10 PM
You get to play a lot more gutsy with nothing on the line
Absolutely.
Ben Johnson is going to be the trendy hot young coordinator name this offseason.
Peddle da hole rotten bunch, aina?
https://twitter.com/pardonmytake/status/1612304708806352901?s=46&t=OCJZ1y76TCBbyz-i8PWpBA
Aaron Rodgers didn't look like Aaron Rodgers this season because of his thumb injury. It reminded me an awful lot of the Ray Rhodes year with Brett Favre. Favre looked like crap and Rhodes got fired!
The thumb injury severely limited Rodgers' effectiveness down the field. Defenses knew that and dared him to throw deep. The catch by Watson was a blind pig and acorn situation, as was, I thought, the PI early in the game. If he's healthy next year, I'd bring him back. With a year under Watson's and Doub's belt, the offense could be really good. The running game is solid and the offensive line also is pretty good.
The defense is another story. It's inconsistent ands fails to adjust to changes in the offense. Plus, they were just on the field too long last night.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 09, 2023, 07:46:59 AM
Aaron Rodgers didn't look like Aaron Rodgers this season because of his thumb injury. It reminded me an awful lot of the Ray Rhodes year with Brett Favre. Favre looked like crap and Rhodes got fired!
Aaron Rodgers didn't look like Aaron Rodgers because he is old. He is ten years older than Favre was under Rhodes.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 09, 2023, 07:46:59 AM
Aaron Rodgers didn't look like Aaron Rodgers this season because of his thumb injury. It reminded me an awful lot of the Ray Rhodes year with Brett Favre. Favre looked like crap and Rhodes got fired!
The thumb injury severely limited Rodgers' effectiveness down the field. Defenses knew that and dared him to throw deep. The catch by Watson was a blind pig and acorn situation, as was, I thought, the PI early in the game. If he's healthy next year, I'd bring him back. With a year under Watson's and Doub's belt, the offense could be really good. The running game is solid and the offensive line also is pretty good.
The defense is another story. It's inconsistent ands fails to adjust to changes in the offense. Plus, they were just on the field too long last night.
They don't have much choice since he played the organization like a fiddle and crippled their ability to do anything
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 09, 2023, 08:06:50 AM
They don't have much choice since he played the organization like a fiddle and crippled their ability to do anything
Yup. If the Packers and Rodgers had this type of year last year, I think Jordan Love is the QB this year and Packers are in better cap position. They gambled on Rodgers and looks like it's a loss. Although, I can't say I would have made a different decision.
Just looking at their cap situation, this was all set up for a two year window. If Rodgers retires, they are going to have to make a bunch of moves to get under the cap, but releasing or trading him don't look like options at all. So IMO if he wants to play next year, I don't see much reason to think it won't be in Green Bay.
The cap situation clears up considerably in 2024.
I'd chit can the coachin' staff. Playas are undisciplined and/or scored -2 on da Wonderlic. Either wey MLF is too milk toast ta bea hed koach. Ya kneed a kick ass mf'er, aina?
Quay is the first player in 15 years to get ejected twice in a season so that's pretty cool!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 09, 2023, 08:20:10 AM
Just looking at their cap situation, this was all set up for a two year window. If Rodgers retires, they are going to have to make a bunch of moves to get under the cap, but releasing or trading him don't look like options at all. So IMO if he wants to play next year, I don't see much reason to think it won't be in Green Bay.
The cap situation clears up considerably in 2024.
I see 2024 as a problem for them, based on whether or not they pick up Love's fifth year option this offseason.
If they pick it up, and release Rodgers after 2023, their QB allotment on their 2024 cap will be at least close to $50 million (Rodgers dead cap, Love $20 million, and whatever backups). Cap will go up, so I'm not saying it's dire, but it's not perfect.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2023, 09:12:05 AM
Quay is the first player in 15 years to get ejected twice in a season so that's pretty cool!
And both for hitting team personnel, not even within context of game play.... that's special...
It's laughable that any Packers fan would want MLF brought back for another year of this crap.
Lions are in far better shape with Campbell. Give me him any day of the week over a metrosexual who waxes his eyebrows and doesn't instill any discipline in his team. The guy who was heralded as an offensive genius has one of the most boring offenses in all of the NFL. It's no wonder teams have no problems stopping them in the red zone.
Packers need a redo starting at the top. New President , GM and Head Coach.
There is some talent on the Packers but they need to be much better organized. The play calling last night was atrocious .
Lions are the team of the future in the North now. They have a serviceable quarterback and have the Rams first round choices the next two drafts in addition to their own . This years Rams pick is going to be a high one so they can pick up another immediate impact Player at a position of need
Vikings have their act reasonably together. So it leaves Packers and Bears to bring up the rear.
The President will be leaving in a couple of years as Murphy has already announced his 2025 retirement.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 09, 2023, 04:06:30 PM
Lions are the team of the future in the North now.
Hey look! A brand new sentence
Update on #12 and The Duck
https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/aaron-rodgers-mallory-edens-dating-buzz-intensifies/amp/
Joe Barry will be back next year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 09, 2023, 07:28:09 PM
Joe Barry will be back next year.
I doubt Barry is a good DC but they've got a lot of idiots on that defense
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 09, 2023, 07:28:09 PM
Joe Barry will be back next year.
Being overly loyal might be Lafleur's fatal flaw.
As a Lions fan, it's great to see the opinions from outside of Detroit. Campbell and GM Brad Holmes have done a great job in changing a culture that has been been perhaps the worst in all of professional sports. Next year will be when they show if it's real or another fake out. But the division should be wide open.
Anyone else have a flashback to the MU-Providence game when the brother came out on the court during the game when watching Rasul Douglas walking along the line of scrimmage to touch the ball? Both were surreal. Stupid, but surreal.
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 09, 2023, 08:56:01 PM
Anyone else have a flashback to the MU-Providence game when the brother came out on the court during the game when watching Rasul Douglas walking along the line of scrimmage to touch the ball? Both were surreal. Stupid, but surreal.
Yes.
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 09, 2023, 08:56:01 PM
Anyone else have a flashback to the MU-Providence game when the brother came out on the court during the game when watching Rasul Douglas walking along the line of scrimmage to touch the ball? Both were surreal. Stupid, but surreal.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-rasul-douglas-explains-why-he-was-trying-to-snatch-ball-from-lions-long-snapper/amp/
I thought a time out had been called. It almost makes sense.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on January 09, 2023, 08:54:02 PM
As a Lions fan, it's great to see the opinions from outside of Detroit. Campbell and GM Brad Holmes have done a great job in changing a culture that has been been perhaps the worst in all of professional sports. Next year will be when they show if it's real or another fake out. But the division should be wide open.
"Culture" is such a ridiculous term used in sports (like with MU) but fortunes have truly changed in Detroit, thanks to an absolutely outstanding head coach. Dan Campbell is the anti-Matt Lafleur.
My mom sent me a picture of Aaron Jones at the game. I know he goes to a lot of Bucks games when he can, but cool he came down for an MU game right after the season ended and he could be anywhere he wanted for the first time in a while.
He was right in front of us, he was holding a cute little girl I assume was his daughter.
Saw a Tweet that he has a cousin that plays at UCONN.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 12, 2023, 09:46:04 AM
Saw a Tweet that he has a cousin that plays at UCONN.
On the Packers bye week, he was at the UConn/LIU game in Storrs (I may have been watching/betting that game), and as you mentioned, his cousin is on UConn.
Jones is easy dude to root for, your point is totally valid though, he could have been in Cabo right now, and he was at this game. Ton of respect for him.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 12, 2023, 11:12:00 AM
On the Packers bye week, he was at the UConn/LIU game in Storrs (I may have been watching/betting that game), and as you mentioned, his cousin is on UConn.
Jones is easy dude to root for, your point is totally valid though, he could have been in Cabo right now, and he was at this game. Ton of respect for him.
Yeah he was the GBP Payton Man of the Year nominee the last two years. He's a great person.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 12, 2023, 09:46:04 AM
Saw a Tweet that he has a cousin that plays at UCONN.
Newton
Packers not ready to move on from Rodgers..
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/qb-aaron-rodgers-will-take-his-time-on-return-decision-packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-says
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 14, 2023, 06:58:35 AM
Packers not ready to move on from Rodgers..
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/qb-aaron-rodgers-will-take-his-time-on-return-decision-packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-says
Good news for the NFC North teams
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 14, 2023, 06:58:35 AM
Packers not ready to move on from Rodgers..
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/qb-aaron-rodgers-will-take-his-time-on-return-decision-packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-says
Do the Packers have another realistic option?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 14, 2023, 01:05:56 PM
Do the Packers have another realistic option?
I don't think so. It's pretty much he retires or the Packers take a ridiculous cap hit trading him.
Yep. The only way they get rid of him is through his retirement.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2023, 01:12:00 PM
Yep. The only way they get rid of him is through his retirement.
Keep him but tank for Caleb Williams
Dey don't have know replacement on der roster ether doe, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 14, 2023, 03:48:34 PM
Dey don't have know replacement on der roster ether doe, hey?
Put Bakhtiari at QB and tank
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 14, 2023, 01:09:12 PM
I don't think so. It's pretty much he retires or the Packers take a ridiculous cap hit trading him.
His retiring is not a get out of salary cap hell free card. Cap hit is 40 million if he retires.
I'd be shocked if he walked away from a guaranteed 59 million. That just doesn't happen.
They're in an awful situation with him.
NFL Network Analysts saying no way Rodgers retires
https://zonecoverage.com/2023/packers/nfl-network-shoots-down-aaron-rodgers-retirement-conversation/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 14, 2023, 05:57:02 PM
NFL Network Analysts saying no way Rodgers retires
https://zonecoverage.com/2023/packers/nfl-network-shoots-down-aaron-rodgers-retirement-conversation/
That was one of the worst things I've ever read
Jamaal Williams fined more for his touchdown celebration than Quay Walker was for pushing a member of the Lions medical staff.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 14, 2023, 05:12:03 PM
His retiring is not a get out of salary cap hell free card. Cap hit is 40 million if he retires.
I'd be shocked if he walked away from a guaranteed 59 million. That just doesn't happen.
They're in an awful situation with him.
Agreed. I was just stating the only real way he wouldn't be the Packers quarterback next year. I don't see any way the Packers make the choice to get rid of him.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 14, 2023, 06:50:30 PM
Agreed. I was just stating the only real way he wouldn't be the Packers quarterback next year. I don't see any way the Packers make the choice to get rid of him.
I think a trade is a real possibility. Just read between the lines of Gutekunst's remarks yesterday. They didn't move up and draft Love in round 1 to let him rot on the bench until he leaves as FA with no return. They want him to play now.
Lots of teams I'm sure would be interested who haven't been let down by him so often and hope he'll redeem himself. But his contract is an enormous challenge to a trade. Cap hit would be huge of course, then the team taking him would need to have or make a ton of cap room. How many teams could do that?
Quote from: tower912 on January 14, 2023, 06:45:20 PM
Jamaal Williams fined more for his touchdown celebration than Quay Walker was for pushing a member of the Lions medical staff.
That is ridiculous.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 14, 2023, 07:02:30 PM
I think a trade is a real possibility. Just read between the lines of Gutekunst's remarks yesterday. They didn't move up and draft Love in round 1 to let him rot on the bench until he leaves as FA with no return. They want him to play now.
Lots of teams I'm sure would be interested who haven't been let down by him so often and hope he'll redeem himself. But his contract is an enormous challenge to a trade. Cap hit would be huge of course, then the team taking him would need to have or make a ton of cap room. How many teams could do that?
His dead cap next year is $99 million. I mean, I would never say never, but that is a ridiculous figure.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 14, 2023, 07:02:30 PM
I think a trade is a real possibility. Just read between the lines of Gutekunst's remarks yesterday. They didn't move up and draft Love in round 1 to let him rot on the bench until he leaves as FA with no return. They want him to play now.
Lots of teams I'm sure would be interested who haven't been let down by him so often and hope he'll redeem himself. But his contract is an enormous challenge to a trade. Cap hit would be huge of course, then the team taking him would need to have or make a ton of cap room. How many teams could do that?
I think they drafted him with the intention of moving on from Rodgers in the next year or two. Then Rodgers was MVP and they went to the NFCC multiple times. I think Love's draft position is irrelevant now.
I think if money wasn't a factor, they'd move to Love now. However, Rodgers' contract just doesn't allow that.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2023, 03:55:53 PM
Put Bakhtiari at QB and tank
Bak running the wildcat would be something. Also probably end up with a better QB rating than Fields.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 14, 2023, 07:16:42 PM
I think they drafted him with the intention of moving on from Rodgers in the next year or two. Then Rodgers was MVP and they went to the NFCC multiple times. I think Love's draft position is irrelevant now.
I think if money wasn't a factor, they'd move to Love now. However, Rodgers' contract just doesn't allow that.
No team, especially the Packers, are ok with a wasted first round pick by never giving the guy a chance to succeed or fail or something in between. Gutekunst went very bold moving up and selecting Love. That pick will forever be tied to him. He's not about to throw all that away on a guy who keeps failing over and over when it matters most.
So I think everything that goes into the investment of Love in the first place is highly relevant. Whether they can make it work to move on from Rodgers, we'll see. But a trade is more realistic than hoping he'll retire. And don't underestimate what teams will do for a first ballot HOF who's just one year removed from back to back MVP's.
Tell me how you manage the $99 million cap hit?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2023, 10:24:34 PM
Tell me how you manage the $99 million cap hit?
That isn't the cap hit in a trade scenario unless they exercise an option bonus pre trade to drop his '23 cap number. If they plan to try and trade him, no way is that option exercised of course. And they have all the way from beginning of league year until the day before their first regular season game next year to pick up the option or not. More than enough time to try and trade him and if that fails, pick up the option for the benefit of the '23 cap.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-how-aaron-rodgers-future-decision-affects-the-packers-bottom-line/amp/
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 14, 2023, 07:02:30 PM
I think a trade is a real possibility. Just read between the lines of Gutekunst's remarks yesterday. They didn't move up and draft Love in round 1 to let him rot on the bench until he leaves as FA with no return. They want him to play now.
Lots of teams I'm sure would be interested who haven't been let down by him so often and hope he'll redeem himself. But his contract is an enormous challenge to a trade. Cap hit would be huge of course, then the team taking him would need to have or make a ton of cap room. How many teams could do that?
The Bears could.
How many picks would GB give up to dump that contact?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2023, 10:24:34 PM
Tell me how you manage the $99 million cap hit?
You either cut or trade him after June 1st. Then the hit is only 30-32M depending on whether he is cut or traded.
If he's traded, the team trading him either will take a $59M cap hit, or if they exercise the option something like only $17M.
Quote from: forgetful on January 14, 2023, 11:31:00 PM
You either cut or trade him after June 1st. Then the hit is only 30-32M depending on whether he is cut or traded.
If he's traded, the team trading him either will take a $59M cap hit, or if they exercise the option something like only $17M.
No team trading for him would not exercise the option to lower his '23 cap number. So then the cap hit becomes 15.79M for his new team. Not easy for many teams, but certainly doable for others. Especially since you can get creative with clearing cap space with their other players.
Whether it's a $40M or $20M cap hit to the Packers for '23 is whether they trade him before June 2 or June 2 and after. Problem is teams want their QB situation for the coming year addressed well before that date. So pretty likely a $40M cap hit to Packers by trading him.
Other major caveat to a trade is they have to find a team acceptable to Rodgers or he can just walk away and retire. That's probably the only way he walks away from all that guaranteed '23 money - team he has no interest in playing for.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 14, 2023, 10:51:31 PM
That isn't the cap hit in a trade scenario unless they exercise an option bonus pre trade to drop his '23 cap number. If they plan to try and trade him, no way is that option exercised of course. And they have all the way from beginning of league year until the day before their first regular season game next year to pick up the option or not. More than enough time to try and trade him and if that fails, pick up the option for the benefit of the '23 cap.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-how-aaron-rodgers-future-decision-affects-the-packers-bottom-line/amp/
Quote from: forgetful on January 14, 2023, 11:31:00 PM
You either cut or trade him after June 1st. Then the hit is only 30-32M depending on whether he is cut or traded.
If he's traded, the team trading him either will take a $59M cap hit, or if they exercise the option something like only $17M.
Thanks to you both.
Maybe the Panthers would take Rodgers if the Packers throw in a couple of high draft picks.
420
I didn't realize it dropped so much after June 1. The bummer there is more uncertainty on draft compensation. $30M isn't great, but having your QB on a rookie contract makes it a little more palatable.
It appears, practically, the Packers and Rogers are stuck with each other. It's not a terrible thing for both.
Roger's age, play and salary essentially make him untradable. Although maybe the NFL allows the Packers to keep paying him part of his salary, I just don't know the NFL rules that well.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 15, 2023, 02:03:10 PM
It appears, practically, the Packers and Rogers are stuck with each other. It's not a terrible thing for both.
Roger's age, play and salary essentially make him untradable. Although maybe the NFL allows the Packers to keep paying him part of his salary, I just don't know the NFL rules that well.
Maybe they can give him a bunch of Packers stock.
Keep him to avoid the cap hit and bench him. Candidly, I'm a Bears fan
Rodgers discusses his evaluation process with Pat McAfee
https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1615441001505755136?s=20&t=8lob0pG_voRagKjmrvKQwQ
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 17, 2023, 05:22:13 PM
Rodgers discusses his evaluation process with Pat McAfee
https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1615441001505755136?s=20&t=8lob0pG_voRagKjmrvKQwQ
Sounds like he'll continue to hold the franchise hostage and the leadership of the team is so weak and incompetent, they'll let him. Good news for the division
Rodgers says he can still win MVP
https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-i-think-i-can-win-mvp-again-in-the-right-situation
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2023, 05:26:25 PM
Sounds like he'll continue to hold the franchise hostage and the leadership of the team is so weak and incompetent, they'll let him. Good news for the division
The parallels to Favre are uncanny.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 17, 2023, 06:35:04 PM
The parallels to Favre are uncanny.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/17/aaron-rodgers-wants-favorite-veteran-teammates-back-with-him-in-green-bay-if-he-plays-in-2023/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 17, 2023, 07:40:51 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/17/aaron-rodgers-wants-favorite-veteran-teammates-back-with-him-in-green-bay-if-he-plays-in-2023/
This might be the best way out for everyone. (Although I would love to see Lazard back.)
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 17, 2023, 06:20:44 PM
Rodgers says he can still win MVP
https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-i-think-i-can-win-mvp-again-in-the-right-situation
How about a Super Bowl? Isn't that the goal? Aaron definitely couldn't play with the Hausers
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2023, 09:49:27 PM
How about a Super Bowl? Isn't that the goal? Aaron definitely couldn't play with the Hausers
Because he can't pass?
"I was pretty mediocre this year, but please make me happy by bringing back a bunch of aging middle of the road talent so I can have fun while I make $50MM next year on a middling team and set your impending rebuild even further back. Ya know, to reward me for all the Super Bowl titles Ive brought., er...NFC North Championships"
Quote from: JWags85 on January 18, 2023, 09:06:10 AM
"I was pretty mediocre this year, but please make me happy by bringing back a bunch of aging middle of the road talent so I can have fun while I make $50MM next year on a middling team and set your impending rebuild even further back. Ya know, to reward me for all the Super Bowl titles Ive brought., er...NFC North Championships"
Reminds me a bit of LeBron the GM. "I demand that you sign all my old friends and overpay them if necessary, but I will also be upset if I am not surrounded by top-tier talent."
Except Lebron won a title with that strategy. If Rodgers could win a Super Bowl next year, I would be all for it. (Like I was last off-season.) But he cannot, so IMO it would be best for everyone to move on.
Stephen A. Smith is not pleased with Aaron Rodgers current behavior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGBUuuLQF9k
https://twitter.com/FirstTake/status/1615742569773764613?cxt=HHwWisC8_c_TouwsAAAA
Didant no Rico wuz Stephen A., hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 18, 2023, 11:02:58 AM
Didant no Rico wuz Stephen A., hey?
Reposted links so we can make sure. 8-)
Quote from: JWags85 on January 18, 2023, 09:06:10 AM
"I was pretty mediocre this year, but please make me happy by bringing back a bunch of aging middle of the road talent so I can have fun while I make $50MM next year on a middling team and set your impending rebuild even further back. Ya know, to reward me for all the Super Bowl titles Ive brought., er...NFC North Championships"
Yup pretty much. He can have his farewell tour somewhere else. Start the rebuild.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 18, 2023, 11:02:58 AM
Didant no Rico wuz Stephen A., hey?
Even a blind and deaf man knows Rodgers cares about Rodgers before actually winning a Super Bowl
Gronk has a point of view on Rodgers
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/18/rob-gronkowski-criticizes-aaron-rodgers-for-aspiring-to-win-another-mvp-not-another-super-bowl/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 18, 2023, 07:41:54 PM
Gronk has a point of view on Rodgers
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/18/rob-gronkowski-criticizes-aaron-rodgers-for-aspiring-to-win-another-mvp-not-another-super-bowl/amp/
Gronk hoping Aaron helps him get USAA insurance.
Broadway Joe helps with recruiting Aaron Rodgers to The Jets
ttps://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/joe-namath-says-aaron-rodgers-can-wear-his-retired-no-12-with-jets-itd-be-great-to-have-him-in-new-york/
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/1/20/23564384/brace-for-another-offseason-of-drama-from-aaron-rodgers-who-lives-for-this-green-bay-packers
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/21/report-packers-aaron-rodgers-know-trade-is-very-real-scenario-this-offseason/
He's done in Green Bay. I think they put up with his sh*t until it stopped working. Time to move on.
Packers Rookie Review : Christian Watson
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-rookie-review-wr-christian-watson/
Winning playoff football with Rodgers stopped working years ago
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2023, 11:06:46 AM
He's done in Green Bay. I think they put up with his sh*t until it stopped working. Time to move on.
Allen Lazard. What will he command on the open market?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-free-agent-review-wr-allen-lazard/
Rodgers open to reworking contract
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35518669/aaron-rodgers-open-reworking-deal-plays-2023?platform=amp
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 24, 2023, 04:08:24 PM
Rodgers open to reworking contract
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35518669/aaron-rodgers-open-reworking-deal-plays-2023?platform=amp
How much restructuring can be really do? I thought when it was signed, there wasn't much from a restructuring that could be done with all the guaranteed money.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 24, 2023, 04:32:46 PM
How much restructuring can be really do? I thought when it was signed, there wasn't much from a restructuring that could be done with all the guaranteed money.
Add more years to lower cap hit.
Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2023, 04:43:30 PM
Add more years to lower cap hit.
Kick that can down the road to keep Cobb and Tonyan is a great move imo
Petrocelli, ya got 2 first rounders sittin' in yo back pocket? #12 kan bea had, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 24, 2023, 06:39:56 PM
Petrocelli, ya got 2 first rounders sittin' in yo back pocket? #12 kan bea had, aina?
J-E-T-S
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2023, 06:44:37 PM
J-E-T-S
If he gets traded to the Jets, I'll believe this is all a simulation.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 24, 2023, 06:58:47 PM
If he gets traded to the Jets, I'll believe this is all a simulation.
The circle is complete
Hope things go better with The Duck
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/shailene-woodley-split-aaron-rodgers-darkest-hardest-time.amp
Cowboys win the Super Bowl with Rodgers over Dak. Let's waive cap rules and get Aaron back with the Beav
Would be ironic if Rodgers followed Brett Favre footsteps and went to Jets
https://nypost.com/2023/01/25/a-tricky-aaron-rodgers-pursuit-by-jets-could-take-awhile/amp/
Ex-Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett being hired by.... The Jets
Quote from: Warriors, Come Out and Playeeyay on January 26, 2023, 12:57:53 PM
Ex-Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett being hired by.... The Jets
https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/jets-hire-nathaniel-hackett-as-offensive-coordinator-with-aaron-rodgers-speculation-lingering/
Quote from: Warriors, Come Out and Playeeyay on January 26, 2023, 12:57:53 PM
Ex-Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett being hired by.... The Jets
Hopefully that goes better for the Jets than it did for the Broncos when they brought Nathaniel Hackett in to lure Rodgers away from Green Bay.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 26, 2023, 08:37:10 AM
Would be ironic if Rodgers followed Brett Favre footsteps and went to Jets
https://nypost.com/2023/01/25/a-tricky-aaron-rodgers-pursuit-by-jets-could-take-awhile/amp/
Will he expose himself too?
Check to see if any welfare funds have been diverted to the Wisconsin Ayahuasca Center.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/jets-should-opt-for-jimmy-garoppolo-not-aaron-rodgers/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 26, 2023, 06:15:14 PM
https://nypost.com/2023/01/26/jets-should-opt-for-jimmy-garoppolo-not-aaron-rodgers/amp/
They're correct
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/91215/should-the-qb-needy-new-york-jets-go-all-in-for-aaron-rodgers?platform=amp
More on Aaron Rodgers and The Jets
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/27/will-aaron-rodgers-land-with-the-jets/amp/
Lots of good Tight End prospects for the Packers this year . Some may even be first round worthy.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/27/talented-draft-class-available-for-tight-end-needy-packers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2023, 09:02:59 AM
Lots of good Tight End prospects for the Packers this year . Some may even be first round worthy.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/27/talented-draft-class-available-for-tight-end-needy-packers/
After they trade 12, they'll have lots of first round picks
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2023, 09:25:16 AM
After they trade 12, they'll have lots of first round picks
This article says that there would be substantial interest from other teams .
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35551148/aaron-rodgers-packers-crossroads-trade-remains-possible?platform=amp
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2023, 11:15:33 AM
This article says that there would be substantial interest from other teams .
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35551148/aaron-rodgers-packers-crossroads-trade-remains-possible?platform=amp
Source is Brian Gutekunst
MVS a difference maker today for Chiefs . Much was made of Packers losing Davante Adams but maybe the loss of MVS hurt the team as well.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2023, 08:00:35 PM
MVS a difference maker today for Chiefs . Much was made of Packers losing Davante Adams but maybe the loss of MVS hurt the team as well.
It helps to actually have a QB who is decent in the playoffs. Rodgers makes 50 million a year and pissed down his leg in the playoffs three years in a row
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2023, 08:00:35 PM
MVS a difference maker today for Chiefs . Much was made of Packers losing Davante Adams but maybe the loss of MVS hurt the team as well.
Watson is better than MVS in just about every way. The difference is losing the best WR in the game and your QB devolving into peak Trent Dilfer
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2023, 08:00:35 PM
MVS a difference maker today for Chiefs . Much was made of Packers losing Davante Adams but maybe the loss of MVS hurt the team as well.
Brain dead take. Check out his stats for the year.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/31/aaron-rodgers-responds-to-trade-rumors-as-jets-speculation-mounts/amp/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/04/aaron-rodgers-hearing-from-raiders-fans-at-pebble-beach-pro-am/
But hey, keep the defensive coordinator LaFleur, it's all good
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-defense-picked-one-nfl-133549832.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-defense-picked-one-nfl-133549832.html)
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 04, 2023, 08:41:55 PM
But hey, keep the defensive coordinator LaFleur, it's all good
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-defense-picked-one-nfl-133549832.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-defense-picked-one-nfl-133549832.html)
https://zonecoverage.com/2023/packers/lafleur-put-a-target-on-his-back-by-retaining-joe-barry/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 05, 2023, 08:29:43 AM
https://zonecoverage.com/2023/packers/lafleur-put-a-target-on-his-back-by-retaining-joe-barry/
Packers need better owners
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 04, 2023, 08:41:55 PM
But hey, keep the defensive coordinator LaFleur, it's all good
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-defense-picked-one-nfl-133549832.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-defense-picked-one-nfl-133549832.html)
LaFleur is really bad at hiring coordinators. And what's worse, neither Gutekunst or Murphy, whoever is truly calling the shots upstairs, won't veto these bad hires and retaining them.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2023, 09:42:54 AM
Packers need better owners
They need a Ron Wolf type leader and then a team president to get the eff out of the way of him.
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on January 29, 2023, 08:57:30 PM
It helps to actually have a QB who is decent in the playoffs. Rodgers makes 50 million a year and pissed down his leg in the playoffs three years in a row
LaFleur and the people he hires also have an incontinence issue in big games and big moments.
Let's see if Packers do something about this in Free Agency or Draft
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/04/tight-end-identified-as-packers-biggest-need-entering-2023-offseason/
Raiders pushing hard for #12
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/06/josh-jacobs-if-aaron-rodgers-comes-here-that-would-change-a-lot-of-things/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 07, 2023, 12:58:31 PM
Raiders pushing hard for #12
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/06/josh-jacobs-if-aaron-rodgers-comes-here-that-would-change-a-lot-of-things/
No excuse for the Packers to "run it back"
Yeah, butt wee won't no 'til he gets back from his 4-day Himalayan retreat of eatin' elephant carcass in total darkness all the while standin' on his hed, aina?
Sounds like Packers are actively working a possible deal for #12
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/06/aaron-rodgers-trade-packers-nfl-execs-prediction-the-athletic-mike-sando-jets-raiders-titans/
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 07, 2023, 03:22:15 PM
Yeah, butt wee won't no 'til he gets back from his 4-day Himalayan retreat of eatin' elephant carcass in total darkness all the while standin' on his hed, aina?
that could be quite constipating...where's he gonna get his fiber from?
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 08, 2023, 07:10:38 AM
Sounds like Packers are actively working a possible deal for #12
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/06/aaron-rodgers-trade-packers-nfl-execs-prediction-the-athletic-mike-sando-jets-raiders-titans/
Nothing in the article suggests that in any way.
" It's unclear if the executives have any working inside knowledge of the situation or are guessing based on the situation. It's fair to wonder if a trade is more of what some execs are hoping for entering the offseason and less an info-based prediction of what will happen."
You are doing the same thing the Executives are doing.
Thinkin' da dude has worn out his welcome and his act gets old. Dis teem izant likely ta goe anywear wit 'im orr witout 'im. Sew, movin' on allows da Pack's brass to validate der pik of #10 and unload sum dead wait while sum teem will overpay for a fore tyme MVP. It all all adds up ta peddlin' hiz ass, aina?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/09/free-agent-qb-taylor-heinicke-would-love-to-play-for-packers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 10, 2023, 07:19:40 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/09/free-agent-qb-taylor-heinicke-would-love-to-play-for-packers/
He'd love to play for anyone.
Packers are currently over The Salary Cap . This article lays out possible strategies for dealing with that
https://www.spotrac.com/news/whats-next-green-bay-packers-1757/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 11, 2023, 09:16:23 AM
Packers are currently over The Salary Cup . This article lays out possible strategies for dealing with that
https://www.spotrac.com/news/whats-next-green-bay-packers-1757/
Dump it out
Packers have to make decision on Jordan Love fifth year shortly after the NFL draft .
I hope they can find another team willing to trade for him .
There are plenty of proven quarterbacks out there
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/07/jordan-loves-fifth-year-option-worth-20-27-million-in-2024/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 11, 2023, 01:52:27 PM
Packers have to make decision on Jordan Love fifth year shortly after the NFL draft .
I hope they can find another team willing to trade for him .
There are plenty of proven quarterbacks out there
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/07/jordan-loves-fifth-year-option-worth-20-27-million-in-2024/
Proven mediocre or worse.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 11, 2023, 01:52:27 PM
Packers have to make decision on Jordan Love fifth year shortly after the NFL draft .
I hope they can find another team willing to trade for him .
There are plenty of proven quarterbacks out there
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/07/jordan-loves-fifth-year-option-worth-20-27-million-in-2024/
Peddle his ass, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 11, 2023, 03:06:05 PM
Peddle his ass, aina?
Yup, they can draft a qb with the picks they get for Rodgers
Plus he ain't no kolekin' good, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 11, 2023, 03:13:29 PM
Plus he ain't no kolekin' good, hey?
People covering and around the team disagree but I'm sure they don't know ball
Rodgers started darkness retreat yesterday .
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-darkness-retreat-irking-nfl-execs-report.amp
Tom Brady says it's a good thing for Aaron , also doesn't want him to retire .
https://amp.tmz.com/2023/02/14/tom-brady-defends-aaron-rodgers-darkness-retreat-nfl/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 14, 2023, 01:08:13 PM
Rodgers started darkness retreat yesterday .
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-darkness-retreat-irking-nfl-execs-report.amp
Tom Brady says it's a good thing for Aaron , also doesn't want him to retire .
https://amp.tmz.com/2023/02/14/tom-brady-defends-aaron-rodgers-darkness-retreat-nfl/
Why do you care about this? Why does anybody concern themselves with it.
I think we need a Scoop thread detailing what all Scoopers do when they are not at work. I'm sure the thread would be just as stupid as the one here about AR.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/14/aaron-rodgers-top-nfl-reporters-dont-have-sources-within-inner-circle/
Good News on Aaron Jones
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/17/aaron-jones-packers-contract-details-structure-cap-hit-savings-void-dead/
most of the jazz reported on AR is sensationalistic click bait. most of the "journalists' writing about him are not writing anything factual at all. there are very few people who really know what makes this guy tick while he just laughs himself to sleep. watch for his next 'head fake" then watch the media and talk shows go crazy. then watch for the next "head fake"...it both shows how gullible and simple minded people are willing to buy the next sham-wow, gingsu knives combo AND that's not all...if you act now, be the first to...
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 18, 2023, 06:58:00 AM
most of the jazz reported on AR is sensationalistic click bait. most of the "journalists' writing about him are not writing anything factual at all. there are very few people who really know what makes this guy tick while he just laughs himself to sleep. watch for his next 'head fake" then watch the media and talk shows go crazy. then watch for the next "head fake"...it both shows how gullible and simple minded people are willing to buy the next sham-wow, gingsu knives combo AND that's not all...if you act now, be the first to...
Rodgers and Schefter share the same agent. Everything Schefter reports comes from their agent.
Rodgers is a smart dude. He knows he knows he can claim "fake news" and the fan base is populated with so many simple minded mouth breathers, they'll take his side
Maybe they know the truth, know who is full of crap, but are willing to report what they know to be false in order to boost their ratings.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2023, 10:06:37 AM
Rodgers and Schefter share the same agent. Everything Schefter reports comes from their agent.
Rodgers is a smart dude. He knows he knows he can claim "fake news" and the fan base is populated with so many simple minded mouth breathers, they'll take his side
I believe you've got that caboose end backwards...except for AR being a smart dude, that he is. It's the detractors that are the mouth breathing people you speak of. He's like a cat playing with his food. The people who act like they are sick of his chit but cheer him on with his Jersey on like it's the end of football world are the simple minders
Quote from: tower912 on February 18, 2023, 10:12:15 AM
Maybe they know the truth, know who is full of crap, but are willing to report what they know to be false in order to boost their ratings.
I can't think of anything that I read in the past week to prove this thesis 😂
Well, can't be too dumb if he porkin' Edens' 26 yo daughter, aina?
Me, neither. Just spitballin'.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 18, 2023, 10:14:57 AM
I believe you've got that caboose end backwards...except for AR being a smart dude, that he is. It's the detractors that are the mouth breathing people you speak of. He's like a cat playing with his food. The people who act like they are sick of his chit but cheer him on with his Jersey on like it's the end of football world are the simple minders
Acting that they are tired of his nonsense but are willing to put up with it when he performs well is fine. It just doesn't generate a great deal of good will. Which is why the chorus of GB fans wanting him back is pretty small.
And cat playing with food? Who cares?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 18, 2023, 10:27:03 AM
Acting that they are tired of his nonsense but are willing to put up with it when he performs well is fine. It just doesn't generate a great deal of good will. Which is why the chorus of GB fans wanting him back is pretty small.
And cat playing with food? Who cares?
You should be able to relate...he doesn't give a shucky darn about good will
Quote from: tower912 on February 18, 2023, 10:20:45 AM
Me, neither. Just spitballin'.
Hear that whoosh sound? 😂
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 18, 2023, 10:38:46 AM
You should be able to relate...he doesn't give a shucky darn about good will
No kidding. Not sure how that's related to your point though.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2023, 10:20:26 AM
Well, can't be too dumb if he porkin' Edens' 26 yo daughter, aina?
Devils advocate - given the way his past romantic endeavors have ended, he may be playing with fire robbing the cradle here. I would guess that a guy as loaded as Edens has connections that could thwart Rodgers's neverending quest for attention and affirmation if he wanted to use them.
She's old enough to know she's just another notch on his bedpost. Just a hunch that she's not so innocent as she looks. As for her old man, anything that keeps the family name in the news, is good publicity, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2023, 12:47:18 PM
She's old enough to know she's just another notch on his bedpost. Just a hunch that she's not so innocent as she looks. As for her old man, anything that keeps the family name in the news, is good publicity, aina?
Some recent photos posted by The Duck
https://www.instagram.com/p/CnVEjG3pAjy/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 18, 2023, 02:53:44 PM
Some recent photos posted by The Duck
https://www.instagram.com/p/CnVEjG3pAjy/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Maybe she'll pose in Playboy for you
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2023, 12:47:18 PM
She's old enough to know she's just another notch on his bedpost. Just a hunch that she's not so innocent as she looks. As for her old man, anything that keeps the family name in the news, is good publicity, aina?
You sound like a pathetic old man fantasizing about what young girls/women are doing.
Commin' from a dude who worked in lady's underwear, I appreciate da compliment, hey?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 18, 2023, 10:14:57 AM
I believe you've got that caboose end backwards...except for AR being a smart dude, that he is. It's the detractors that are the mouth breathing people you speak of. He's like a cat playing with his food. The people who act like they are sick of his chit but cheer him on with his Jersey on like it's the end of football world are the simple minders
Lol. This is gold. He is fooling some people. It's not who you believe. But hey, he certainly has you thinking what he wants, that he's the smartest guy in the room.
I can't imagine there are many "medical professionals" who think Aaron is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
Bunch of old guys wondering about a 20 something year old's sex life is...weird at best.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 18, 2023, 08:17:50 PM
Bunch of old guys wondering about a 20 something year old's sex life is...weird at best.
That's all they got left.
Jets had positive meeting with Derek Carr, will they wait for #12 to come out of the dark?
https://nypost.com/2023/02/20/jets-face-derek-carr-aaron-rodgers-dilemma-after-positive-visit/
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 20, 2023, 05:32:06 PM
Jets had positive meeting with Derek Carr, will they wait for #12 to come out of the dark?
https://nypost.com/2023/02/20/jets-face-derek-carr-aaron-rodgers-dilemma-after-positive-visit/
Him spending 4 days in darkness makes me think he's prepping for the Raiders and playing in the black hole.
Quote from: Jockey on February 18, 2023, 03:30:35 PM
You sound like a pathetic old man fantasizing about what young girls/women are doing.
sounds like you seem to know something about "pathetic old men"-ya know this is sposed to be no politics here eyn'a?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 20, 2023, 06:59:30 PM
sounds like you seem to know something about "pathetic old men"-ya know this is sposed to be no politics here eyn'a?
Mirrors.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 20, 2023, 05:32:06 PM
Jets had positive meeting with Derek Carr, will they wait for #12 to come out of the dark?
https://nypost.com/2023/02/20/jets-face-derek-carr-aaron-rodgers-dilemma-after-positive-visit/
I hope so, I have Carr +950 to the Commanders.
bob mcginn, long time sports writer and "expert" i guess on the packers thinks he has this rodgers thing all figured out.
https://www.fox6now.com/sports/packers-are-disgusted-with-aaron-rodgers-former-nfl-beat-writer-says
then today you hear the packers do want AR back but under certain conditions, etc etc
this is what i mean by people don't know jack, but will go to any lengths to get have their few minutes of fame. unless someone really knows, maybe they should stick to pickle ball err sumpin
Rodgers out from the dark
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/23/aaron-rodgers-has-concluded-his-darkness-retreat/amp/
He's stopping at Rico's crib to relieve himself of 4 days of accumulation and some breakfast, aina?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 22, 2023, 09:26:14 PM
bob mcginn, long time sports writer and "expert" i guess on the packers thinks he has this rodgers thing all figured out.
https://www.fox6now.com/sports/packers-are-disgusted-with-aaron-rodgers-former-nfl-beat-writer-says
then today you hear the packers do want AR back but under certain conditions, etc etc
this is what i mean by people don't know jack, but will go to any lengths to get have their few minutes of fame. unless someone really knows, maybe they should stick to pickle ball err sumpin
McGinn was reporting inside information from whatever sources he has. It could be those sources have incomplete information. I do think that this has been the case with McGinn for awhile now. Anyway, I think if they felt confident in Love, Rodgers would be gone.
Are you suggesting that no one should report anything unless it is 100% rock solid?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 23, 2023, 08:48:30 AM
He's stopping at Rico's crib to relieve himself of 4 days of accumulation and some breakfast, aina?
Hope he lights a candle
Edit: He arrived Monday and left Wednesday from his retreat. So like the playoffs, he left early
Here ya go Petrocelli, hey?
https://www.skycaveretreats.com/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2023, 09:06:54 AM
Hope he lights a candle
Edit: He arrived Monday and left Wednesday from his retreat. So like the playoffs, he left early
Guess who else emerged after three days of darkness?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2023, 12:43:51 PM
Willie
There are a lot of posters who wish their willie would emerge after 3 days of darkness.
Joe Klecko says Rodgers would not be a positive in the Jets Locker room
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/joe-klecko-says-aaron-rodgers-could-absolutely-ruin-the-jets-locker-room-its-not-gonna-fit/amp/
Well, if Joe Klecko says it.....
On top of Aaron Jones contract restructure Packers make two other moves
Packers restructure Jaire Alexander contract
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/25/packers-restructure-contract-of-cb-jaire-alexander-save-9-5m-on-salary-cap/
Packers restructure Preston Smith Contract
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/25/packers-restructure-contract-of-olb-preston-smith-save-6-7m-on-salary-cap/
Seems like Bakhtiari would be next
Rodgers says decision coming soon
https://people.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-says-retirement-decision-coming-soon/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 01, 2023, 04:13:07 PM
Rodgers says decision coming soon
https://people.com/sports/aaron-rodgers-says-retirement-decision-coming-soon/
Is this the same guy that said this in January?
https://www.wausaudailyherald.com/story/news/crime/2023/03/01/green-bay-packer-bill-ferrario-facing-new-charges-in-marathon-county/69958190007/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 01, 2023, 07:17:20 PM
https://www.wausaudailyherald.com/story/news/crime/2023/03/01/green-bay-packer-bill-ferrario-facing-new-charges-in-marathon-county/69958190007/
Wonder if he has CTE?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 01, 2023, 04:16:23 PM
Is this the same guy that said this in January?
Taking his notes from GRRM
Some analysis of Rodgers trade value .
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-aaron-rodgers-trade-value-and-the-logistics-of-dealing-the-packers-star-qb-plus-his-best-fit/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 01, 2023, 08:46:19 PM
Wonder if he has CTE?
He was in the NFL all of two years and never played. Never heard of concussion issues while at UW either.
Maybe Ferrario is just a POS who likes to harass, bully, and intimidate women.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 02, 2023, 01:30:50 PM
He was in the NFL all of two years and never played. Never heard of concussion issues while at UW either.
Maybe Ferrario is just a POS who likes to harass, bully, and intimidate women.
The Alvarez/Bielema teams were on the forefront of steroid usage as well
Do steroids make you fat? Maybe Barry and Bret were inta it too, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 02, 2023, 02:24:43 PM
Do steroids make you fat? Maybe Barry and Bret were inta it too, hey?
Too many grains
saw an article (but didn't read it) but the headline said something to the effect that if rodgers joins the jets, the locker room would be turned upside down...hmmm, maybe i should find that one and read it as it could be "interesting"
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 03, 2023, 07:37:03 AM
saw an article (but didn't read it) but the headline said something to the effect that if rodgers joins the jets, the locker room would be turned upside down...hmmm, maybe i should find that one and read it as it could be "interesting"
Herman posted it above.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 03, 2023, 07:37:03 AM
saw an article (but didn't read it) but the headline said something to the effect that if rodgers joins the jets, the locker room would be turned upside down...hmmm, maybe i should find that one and read it as it could be "interesting"
Jets or Packers?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 03, 2023, 07:37:03 AM
saw an article (but didn't read it) but the headline said something to the effect that if rodgers joins the jets, the locker room would be turned upside down...hmmm, maybe i should find that one and read it as it could be "interesting"
Fake news media out to get good guy Rodgers again.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 03, 2023, 08:22:25 AM
Jets or Packers?
He's already ruined the Packers locker room by just being on the roster
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 03, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
He's already ruined the Packers locker room by just being on the roster
Curious why it would cause issues in the Jets locker room unless Mike White is that well liked. I don't think Zach Wilson has a lot of friends there. Maybe amongst the mothers of the players he does.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 03, 2023, 08:55:57 AM
Curious why it would cause issues in the Jets locker room unless Mike White is that well liked. I don't think Zach Wilson has a lot of friends there. Maybe amongst the mothers of the players he does.
That was Joe Klecko saying that. If 12 goes to another team and just walks in and skips all the camps and such, I could see it being a problem
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 03, 2023, 09:08:42 AM
That was Joe Klecko saying that. If 12 goes to another team and just walks in and skips all the camps and such, I could see it being a problem
Bingo. Look at Russell Wilson in Denver, beyond stinking up the joint, he had his separate office and a bunch of other me first BS that rubbed people the wrong way. Rodgers has been able to get a way with a ton in GB, but if he expected the exact same treatment with all new teammates and a new team/org/etc... I could see that being an unpleasant introduction.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 03, 2023, 10:16:03 AM
Bingo. Look at Russell Wilson in Denver, beyond stinking up the joint, he had his separate office and a bunch of other me first BS that rubbed people the wrong way. Rodgers has been able to get a way with a ton in GB, but if he expected the exact same treatment with all new teammates and a new team/org/etc... I could see that being an unpleasant introduction.
Read into Mr. Wilson's non profit.
Dude is a scum bag.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 03, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
He's already ruined the Packers locker room by just being on the roster
Stephen A. Smith wuz write, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 03, 2023, 01:28:44 PM
Stephen A. Smith wuz write, aina?
If that's what he said, then yes
Interesting take by the bettors .
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/03/the-raiders-are-the-betting-favorites-to-land-aaron-rodgers/amp/
Aaron Rodgers gives personal endorsement to Indian Restaurant in Green Bay. One of their best customers .
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/fans/2023/03/02/aaron-rodgers-gives-a-shout-out-to-ashwaubenon-restaurant-india-bhavan/69964676007/
https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/01/aaron-rodgers-emerges-darkness-retreat-las-vegas-raiders-not-interested-trade/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 03, 2023, 05:34:35 PM
Interesting take by the bettors .
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/03/the-raiders-are-the-betting-favorites-to-land-aaron-rodgers/amp/
Florio may be dumbest, least informed, and anti-packer writer there is...
I think Florio is pretty plugged into Packers' management however.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 05, 2023, 02:22:04 PM
Florio may be dumbest, least informed, and anti-packer writer there is...
I don't know about dumbest, but he is definitely anti-GB and really, really anti- Rodgers.
Now or never for The Jets
https://theathletic.com/4280493/2023/03/06/aaron-rodgers-jets-quarterback-derek-carr/?amp=1
Enough smoke out there the Packers want 12 to move on. Methinks that motivates him to stay. Either way, fascinating year awaits on the tundra
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2023, 04:03:11 PM
Enough smoke out there the Packers want 12 to move on. Methinks that motivates him to stay. Either way, fascinating year awaits on the tundra
Yeah that's cracking me up. They "hope he doesn't want to stay in Green Bay." Peddle his azz, hey? If the reports are true that they prefer him to want to retire or be traded, then just trade him. If he doesn't want to be traded to whatever team that is to, then he can retire.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2023, 04:17:50 PM
Yeah that's cracking me up. They "hope he doesn't want to stay in Green Bay." Peddle his azz, hey? If the reports are true that they prefer him to want to retire or be traded, then just trade him. If he doesn't want to be traded to whatever team that is to, then he can retire.
They screwed the pooch last year giving him that deal. If he comes back, they can bring back the rest of the geriatrics he wants. Kick that can down the road.
Pretty sure they aren't going to mind trading him.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2023, 04:17:50 PM
Yeah that's cracking me up. They "hope he doesn't want to stay in Green Bay." Peddle his azz, hey? If the reports are true that they prefer him to want to retire or be traded, then just trade him. If he doesn't want to be traded to whatever team that is to, then he can retire.
Except if he retires instead of accepting whatever trade the GB cap hit is even worse.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2023, 04:17:50 PM
Yeah that's cracking me up. They "hope he doesn't want to stay in Green Bay." Peddle his azz, hey? If the reports are true that they prefer him to want to retire or be traded, then just trade him. If he doesn't want to be traded to whatever team that is to, then he can retire.
Yeah, everyone trying to win the "the other party left me no choice" contest is starting to make all parties look sad and ineffectual. Ultimately I think Rodgers is going to win that battle because the draft is a real deadline for the Packers to give Rodgers the bulletin board material he's dying for.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 06, 2023, 04:43:35 PM
Yeah, everyone trying to win the "the other party left me no choice" contest is starting to make all parties look sad and ineffectual. Ultimately I think Rodgers is going to win that battle because the draft is a real deadline for the Packers to give Rodgers the bulletin board material he's dying for.
Yup, yup, yup. High noon showdown where the winner is everyone watching
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2023, 04:56:12 PM
Yup, yup, yup. High noon showdown where the winner is everyone watching
I think he's gonna come out and say he wants to stay in Green Bay and keep playing. He won't accept a trade, he'd retire first. Basically, he wants complete control over his situation, and he does NOT want to be traded away in favor of Jordan Love. That'll force Love to demand a trade, and the Pack will get like a 3rd or 4th rounder for him tops.
I don't see anything else happening. Essentially, he's gonna screw over the Packers, and to a lesser extent, the Jets. Cuz he wants his way...
Aaron Rodgers close friend, Randall Cobb, just some clean up surgery on his ankle. If Rodgers comes back to Packers, Cobb will be ready to come with him.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/04/packers-wr-randall-cobb-had-clean-up-surgery-on-ankle/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 06, 2023, 10:42:55 PM
Aaron Rodgers close friend, Randall Cobb, just some clean up surgery on his ankle. If Rodgers comes back to Packers, Cobb will be ready to come with him.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/04/packers-wr-randall-cobb-had-clean-up-surgery-on-ankle/
Anytime you can bring back a 33 year-old WR who hasn't played a full season in nearly a decade coming off surgery, you pull that trigger
Trey Wingo reporting 12 talked to the Jets yesterday. Can't do that without permission from the Packers.
I assume Mallory lives in New York. I'm ready for the Love era.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2023, 06:57:10 AM
Trey Wingo reporting 12 talked to the Jets yesterday. Can't do that without permission from the Packers.
I've been saying for weeks that they are done with him. I wouldn't doubt they already have the compensation lined up.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 07, 2023, 07:38:35 AM
I assume Mallory lives in New York. I'm ready for the Love era.
Dat'll bea over inn a New York minute, hey?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 07, 2023, 07:53:13 AM
I've been saying for weeks that they are done with him. I wouldn't doubt they already have the compensation lined up.
Poor Jets fans
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2023, 07:59:46 AM
Poor Jets fans
NYC Sports radio has been non-stop talk about Rogers to the Jets since the Super Bowl ended.
He's an incredibly large step up from Zach Wilson.
And please make the talk stop.
Does he get the #4 and a set of Crocs when made official?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 07, 2023, 07:53:13 AM
I've been saying for weeks that they are done with him. I wouldn't doubt they already have the compensation lined up.
I disagreed with your take last off-season.
This year I fully agree.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 07, 2023, 08:01:35 AM
NYC Sports radio has been non-stop talk about Rogers to the Jets since the Super Bowl ended.
He's an incredibly large step up from Zach Wilson.
And please make the talk stop.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/07/report-aaron-rodgers-spoke-to-jets-on-monday/amp/
Rodgers getting the Love he wants from The Jets
https://nypost.com/2023/03/07/aaron-rodgers-jets-meeting-in-person-today/amp/
Hope the Jets are willing to pony up money and draft picks .
A future with Jordan Love is not exciting . Maybe the Packers can replace Rodgers with Lamar Jackson
https://twitter.com/dangrazianoespn/status/1633189427391389698?s=46&t=raiP9G-d-XR-I18-f6CKVA
QuoteDan Graziano
@DanGrazianoESPN
I'm told the Jets contingent on the way to California includes team owner Woody Johnson, GM Joe Douglas, head coach Robert Saleh, offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett, possibly others.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 07, 2023, 03:06:25 PM
Rodgers getting the Love he wants from The Jets
https://nypost.com/2023/03/07/aaron-rodgers-jets-meeting-in-person-today/amp/
Hope the Jets are willing to pony up money and draft picks .
A future with Jordan Love is not exciting . Maybe the Packers can replace Rodgers with Lamar Jackson
Maybe they can get Tiger Woods to play QB
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2023, 03:37:33 PM
Maybe they can get Tiger Woods to play QB
Or Ed Cooley.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 07, 2023, 03:34:29 PM
https://twitter.com/dangrazianoespn/status/1633189427391389698?s=46&t=raiP9G-d-XR-I18-f6CKVA
Is Ed Werder camped outside the house? Do we have flight tracker?
But how much Ayahuasca are they bringing?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-will-get-traded-to-one-of-these-two-teams-according-to-prediction-from-his-former-backup-qb/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 07, 2023, 06:41:17 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-will-get-traded-to-one-of-these-two-teams-according-to-prediction-from-his-former-backup-qb/amp/
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Quote from: Herman Cain on March 07, 2023, 03:06:25 PM
Rodgers getting the Love he wants from The Jets
https://nypost.com/2023/03/07/aaron-rodgers-jets-meeting-in-person-today/amp/
Hope the Jets are willing to pony up money and draft picks .
A future with Jordan Love is not exciting . Maybe the Packers can replace Rodgers with Lamar Jackson
Why in the world would the Jets pony up money and picks? They're competing with no one else for Rodgers, they have virtually all the leverage here.
If a trade goes down, it'll all come down to how much of $60M Green Bay is willing to eat. All the Packers are doing here is buying draft picks, that's all this is.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 08, 2023, 01:02:48 AM
Why in the world would the Jets pony up money and picks? They're competing with no one else for Rodgers, they have virtually all the leverage here.
If a trade goes down, it'll all come down to how much of $60M Green Bay is willing to eat. All the Packers are doing here is buying draft picks, that's all this is.
Don't understand why Guty goes around the league saying Love is ready to start . Seems to me that diminishes Rodgers trade value, unless of course they want to trade Love.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 08, 2023, 06:52:58 AM
Don't understand why Guty goes around the league saying Love is ready to start . Seems to me that diminishes Rodgers trade value, unless of course they want to trade Love.
Don't understand why he would want to keep 12
Just ta fook wit ya, hey?
https://nypost.com/2023/03/07/jets-need-to-be-sure-when-it-comes-to-aaron-rodgers/amp/
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 08, 2023, 07:40:53 AM
Just ta fook wit ya, hey?
Won't fook with me except kicking the can to a full rebuild/reload down the road. Disappointing for Packers fans that know the truth.
One of the issues the Packers have is top management has no accountability .
It appears they will not get much for Rodgers .
https://www.wbay.com/2023/03/10/murphy-addresses-rodgers-future-with-packers/?outputType=amp
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 11, 2023, 09:06:23 AM
One of the issues the Packers have is top management has no accountability .
It appears they will not get much for Rodgers .
https://www.wbay.com/2023/03/10/murphy-addresses-rodgers-future-with-packers/?outputType=amp
Well, yeah. Not trading him after 2020 was franchise malpractice
Expect a trade on Monday.
Allen Lazard waiting on Rodgers decision.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/garafolo-allen-lazard-is-waiting-to-see-what-aaron-rodgers-decision-on-playing-f
Randall Cobb comin back for another year in 2023. Question is will it be with Packers or Jets?
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/cobb-makes-decision-on-football-future
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 13, 2023, 08:24:46 PM
Randall Cobb comin back for another year in 2023. Question is will it be with Packers or Jets?
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/cobb-makes-decision-on-football-future
Washed up. Know when to walk away.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 13, 2023, 10:46:53 PM
Washed up. Know when to walk away.
When someone stops paying him.
Kinda of think the Jets have gotten to a place where they are over a barrel right now. Because either they trade for Rodgers or else they have no decent options - unless you view "signing Baker Mayfield" as a decent option. Not sure the Packers need to rush to make a deal right now.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 14, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
Kinda of think the Jets have gotten to a place where they are over a barrel right now. Because either they trade for Rodgers or else they have no decent options - unless you view "signing Baker Mayfield" as a decent option. Not sure the Packers need to rush to make a deal right now.
Packers need to make the deal so the Jets take their trash like Cobb, Lewis & Lazard
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 14, 2023, 12:52:04 PM
Packers need to make the deal so the Jets take their trash like Cobb, Lewis & Lazard
Lol you mean this list of guys Rodgers is reportedly already demanding the Jets get
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 14, 2023, 01:02:00 PM
Lol you mean this list of guys Rodgers is reportedly already demanding the Jets get
Yes. And OBJ? Two ACL OBJ? Jets might as well start planning the next rebuild
IMO Rodgers announces his decision and breaks it while on Pat McAfee.
It's the only reason this hasn't been officially announced.
I'm not sure they are awaiting on his decision as much as the Packers and Jets are still working things through.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 14, 2023, 02:01:50 PM
IMO Rodgers announces his decision and breaks it while on Pat McAfee.
It's the only reason this hasn't been officially announced.
Since the ARod-McAfee bromance really kicked up, Kuhn has went OVERTIME carrying every last drop of Rodgers water on his radio show. I caught 3 min this morning while jumping on a call during my drive and he was basically yelling his support for everything Rodgers has done in the last 6 months and how much it should be respected.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 14, 2023, 02:26:44 PM
Since the ARod-McAfee bromance really kicked up, Kuhn has went OVERTIME carrying every last drop of Rodgers water on his radio show. I caught 3 min this morning while jumping on a call during my drive and he was basically yelling his support for everything Rodgers has done in the last 6 months and how much it should be respected.
Maybe Kuhn is hoping for a contract from the Jets too.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 14, 2023, 02:26:44 PM
Since the ARod-McAfee bromance really kicked up, Kuhn has went OVERTIME carrying every last drop of Rodgers water on his radio show. I caught 3 min this morning while jumping on a call during my drive and he was basically yelling his support for everything Rodgers has done in the last 6 months and how much it should be respected.
Kuhn is proof, that if you're a white FB, you can also get a radio show in Wisconsin
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 14, 2023, 02:04:37 PM
I'm not sure they are awaiting on his decision as much as the Packers and Jets are still working things through.
Also, I'm not sure the Packers would be super active in free agency with their cap position. So they may have time to wait to your earlier point.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 14, 2023, 02:04:37 PM
I'm not sure they are awaiting on his decision as much as the Packers and Jets are still working things through.
I think they are waiting on Rodgers decision. His demands in terms of who the Jets sign are an example of this. He will stick it to everyone if he doesn't get what he wants.
He is playing chicken with both teams right now.
The Jets don't want him, if he isn't going to play for them (e.g. retire). He is making demands on what he needs in order to want to play for the Jets. The Packers can't do anything until Rodgers agrees to continue playing for another team.
I guarantee you the terms of a deal are already worked out, now the question is what will Rodgers do.
Quote from: forgetful on March 14, 2023, 03:45:47 PM
I think they are waiting on Rodgers decision. His demands in terms of who the Jets sign are an example of this. He will stick it to everyone if he doesn't get what he wants.
He is playing chicken with both teams right now.
The Jets don't want him, if he isn't going to play for them (e.g. retire). He is making demands on what he needs in order to want to play for the Jets. The Packers can't do anything until Rodgers agrees to continue playing for another team.
I guarantee you the terms of a deal are already worked out, now the question is what will Rodgers do.
This Rodgers drama has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35858787/aaron-rodgers-gives-jets-wish-list-free-agents-sources-say
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 14, 2023, 03:04:09 PM
Kuhn is proof, that if you're a white FB, you can also get a radio show in Wisconsin
Seemed to recall #36 and #31 had a show on the radio too, until the station went belly up due to poor ratings, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 14, 2023, 04:11:04 PM
Seemed to recall #36 and #31 had a show on the radio too, until the station went belly up due to poor ratings, hey?
White people love yelling Kuuuuuuhn at their radios
jets announce signing of lazzard to 4 year $44 mil deal and are in talks with randall cobb. gee, davante gotta feel left out
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 14, 2023, 07:27:15 PM
jets announce signing of lazzard to 4 year $44 mil deal and are in talks with randall cobb. gee, davante gotta feel left out
Nice to be friends with Rodgers .
https://nypost.com/2023/03/14/jets-sign-allen-lazard-to-44-million-deal-in-aaron-rodgers-push/
anyone get the funny feeling Arod is leaving the pack for the jets??
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 14, 2023, 11:36:34 PM
anyone get the funny feeling Arod is leaving the pack for the jets??
I think that's just the ayahuasca talking
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 14, 2023, 02:01:50 PM
IMO Rodgers announces his decision and breaks it while on Pat McAfee.
It's the only reason this hasn't been officially announced.
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Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2023, 12:40:06 PM
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Yeah, pat yourself on the back. :) He's blaming the Packers for holding up the trade.
Well, they probably are. They want more and the Jets want to pay less. And honestly, at the moment, the Packers have the upper hand.
Jets have signed players that make Rodgers happy, and Rodgers has announced his intent.
Neither the Jets nor Rodgers have other options. Well outside of Rodgers retiring. The Packers SHOULD hold out for the best deal available because they have time on their side.
He said he was 90% thinking retirement before his darkness retreat and after hearing about GB trade shopping him and stating positives about Jordan Love that he made up his mind.
yeah OK Rodgers
Yeah, I could definitely see Rodgers playing second fiddle to Tom Brady at the HOF enshrinement. For a guy that claims to be very smart, he really must think the public is not very sharp to believe this stuff.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2023, 12:48:53 PM
Neither the Jets nor Rodgers have other options. Well outside of Rodgers retiring. The Packers SHOULD hold out for the best deal available because they have time on their side.
Exactly. I didn't say otherwise. I was just relaying ARod's nonsense.
Quote from: Goose on March 15, 2023, 01:12:26 PM
Yeah, I could definitely see Rodgers playing second fiddle to Tom Brady at the HOF enshrinement. For a guy that claims to be very smart, he really must think the public is not very sharp to believe this stuff.
He read Atlas Shrugged and it changed his world, man
Also, the Packers are free and can start again
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 15, 2023, 01:23:35 PM
He read Atlas Shrugged and it changed his world, man
Just wait until he gets to Catcher In The Rye
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2023, 12:48:53 PM
Neither the Jets nor Rodgers have other options. Well outside of Rodgers retiring. The Packers SHOULD hold out for the best deal available because they have time on their side.
The Jets could certainly pursue Lamar. I'm not saying they're going to, but that option certainly exists.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on March 15, 2023, 01:08:30 PM
He said he was 90% thinking retirement before his darkness retreat and after hearing about GB trade shopping him and stating positives about Jordan Love that he made up his mind.
yeah OK Rodgers
This constant need for bulletin board material is so tired. How about just having some intrinsic motivation instead of having to live a life completely dependent on perceived slights?
Rodgers to Jets
https://nypost.com/2023/03/15/aaron-rodgers-news-live-updates-rumors-and-analysis-as-jets-trade-looms/amp/
Thanks for the update, Herman. I hadn't heard about this shocking turn of events.
Please just let us be free of Rodgers at last...
Done deal.
He gowne.
yes BUT they haven't agreed to compensation
More detail on Rodgers desire to move on. When he came out of darkness he found out Packers didn't want him any more and now has a chip on the shoulder
Hope the Packers can extract as much as possible from Jets
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/03/15/aaron-rodgers-new-york-jets-green-bay-packers-trade/11273168002/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 15, 2023, 05:06:49 PM
More detail on Rodgers desire to move on. When he came out of darkness he found out Packers didn't want him any more and now has a chip on the shoulder
Hope the Packers can extract as much as possible from Jets
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/03/15/aaron-rodgers-new-york-jets-green-bay-packers-trade/11273168002/
Feel bad for Jets fans
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 15, 2023, 05:06:49 PM
More detail on Rodgers desire to move on. When he came out of darkness he found out Packers didn't want him any more and now has a chip on the shoulder
I don't mean to belabor the point, but it is just such a tremendous galaxy brain self-own to say "I am so focused on understanding myself and reaching a higher level of consciousness that I deprived myself of all light for days, and that introspection lead me to make a major life choice with a very high (90%) level of certainty. But then I came out and heard someone said a mean thing about me, so I scrapped all that and decided to do the other thing out of spite."
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 15, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
I don't mean to belabor the point, but it is just such a tremendous galaxy brain self-own to say "I am so focused on understanding myself and reaching a higher level of consciousness that I deprived myself of all light for days, and that introspection lead me to make a major life choice with a very high (90%) level of certainty. But then I came out and heard someone said a mean thing about me, so I scrapped all that and decided to do the other thing out of spite."
New York media is going to age him 20 years in a year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 15, 2023, 05:16:25 PM
New York media is going to age him 20 years in a year
If he thinks vaccines are dangerous wait till he learns about the side effects of a free press
Quote from: forgetful on March 14, 2023, 03:45:47 PM
I think they are waiting on Rodgers decision. His demands in terms of who the Jets sign are an example of this. He will stick it to everyone if he doesn't get what he wants.
He is playing chicken with both teams right now.
The Jets don't want him, if he isn't going to play for them (e.g. retire). He is making demands on what he needs in order to want to play for the Jets. The Packers can't do anything until Rodgers agrees to continue playing for another team.
I guarantee you the terms of a deal are already worked out, now the question is what will Rodgers do.
Well, it appears I was wrong, and they are just waiting on agreed terms.
I wonder though if part of the problem is that the Jets don't want to pay that salary, and either want a contract renegotiation, or the Pack to pay a significant part of the salary.
Rogers I'm sure is unwilling to take less, and unless the Pack is getting a good deal draft capital wise, I don't see why they would eat the cash.
The Packers have no incentive to make a quick deal that they view as bad.
Discussed on NY sports radio. Deal probably won't "officially" happen until June 1. After that date the Packers cap hit will only be $15mil instead of $40mil.
If I'm the Jets, I hold out as long as possible. A 2023 draft pick is of more value than a 2024 pick (if trading Rodgers to an ascending team). I'd definitely hold out until after this year's draft to make any deal.
Ultimate hard deadline is on Green Bay. I'd play poker with them up until that roster bonus needs to be picked up (which would be catastrophic on the Packers cap). Even if it's a week before the season, if I'm the Jets, so what? Rodgers isn't participating in OTA's anyway, Hackett's in the building so he has a good idea on the playbook already, Rodgers isn't going to take any preseason game snaps.
Both teams probably should just come to a conditional agreement if they want a deal done sooner, but neither side should be motivated to do something until after June 1st.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 14, 2023, 05:56:50 PM
White people love yelling Kuuuuuuhn at their radios
This morning...
Kuhn: "The Jets are absolutely contenders in the AFC, they are the clear 3rd best team in the AFC with Aaron. They aren't quite to the Bills yet, but they aren't that far off now...
Butch: "Are you kidding me? The Jets were the worst team in their division. I don't even think they are better than Miami with just Rodgers"
Kuhn: "he will change the whole locker room, not just the offense but the defense too."
Really hope he hears that John, hope he sends you an edible arrangement. Just insane pick me behavior
Man, we could have won a few more Super Bowls if Rodgers had that much impact on the defense.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 15, 2023, 05:12:52 PM
Feel bad for Jets fans
Vikings fans pumped for their shot at AR in '24
Packers and Jets not seeing eye to eye on Rodgers value
https://nypost.com/2023/03/16/jets-packers-far-apart-on-aaron-rodgers-trade/amp/
Quote from: JWags85 on March 16, 2023, 11:22:19 AM
This morning...
Kuhn: "The Jets are absolutely contenders in the AFC, they are the clear 3rd best team in the AFC with Aaron. They aren't quite to the Bills yet, but they aren't that far off now...
Butch: "Are you kidding me? The Jets were the worst team in their division. I don't even think they are better than Miami with just Rodgers"
Kuhn: "he will change the whole locker room, not just the offense but the defense too."
Really hope he hears that John, hope he sends you an edible arrangement. Just insane pick me behavior
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: JWags85 on March 16, 2023, 11:22:19 AM
This morning...
Kuhn: "The Jets are absolutely contenders in the AFC, they are the clear 3rd best team in the AFC with Aaron. They aren't quite to the Bills yet, but they aren't that far off now...
Butch: "Are you kidding me? The Jets were the worst team in their division. I don't even think they are better than Miami with just Rodgers"
Kuhn: "he will change the whole locker room, not just the offense but the defense too."
Really hope he hears that John, hope he sends you an edible arrangement. Just insane pick me behavior
He'll change the whole locker room like J&J changes your DNA
Packers stare down with Jets. Hopefully Packers can get what they want.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/16/the-issues-holding-up-jets-packers-aaron-rodgers-deal/
So if this drags on awhile and the Jets don't don't want to pay top draft compensation, does Rodgers start to perceive that as disrespect too?
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 17, 2023, 11:14:57 AM
So if this drags on awhile and the Jets don't don't want to pay top draft compensation, does Rodgers start to perceive that as disrespect too?
Just Gutey being a terrible person for not giving Rodgers what he wants after he gave so much to the Packers. At least that would be the theme of the next McAfee show.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/20/aaron-rodgers-guaranteed-salary-provides-another-big-hurdle-in-trade-talks-with-jets/
https://twitter.com/joearrigofsm/status/1637868146588790786?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Isn't great to have a QB work to get himself and his teammates better instead of spending the off-season dating witches and drinking cow urine?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 20, 2023, 01:07:57 PM
https://twitter.com/joearrigofsm/status/1637868146588790786?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Isn't great to have a QB work to get himself and his teammates better instead of spending the off-season dating witches and drinking cow urine?
The good news is Rodgers romance with The Duck won't be long distance. If he takes the Scottie Pippen approach there can be nightly booty calls.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 20, 2023, 05:18:10 PM
The good news is Rodgers romance with The Duck won't be long distance. If he takes the Scottie Pippen approach there can be nightly booty calls.
Who cares?
Former Packers Front Office Exec says Packers have the advantage....
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/20/aaron-rodgers-trade-packers-jets-leverage
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 20, 2023, 07:19:25 PM
Former Packers Front Office Exec says Packers have the advantage....
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/20/aaron-rodgers-trade-packers-jets-leverage
Seems to mirror everyone's take on the situation. I'd guess the Packers want a '23 draft pick so they do have a pressure point, but it seems very evident that the Packers hold the upper hand, if you dismiss the fact they are losing a HOF QB.
Profile on The Duck.....
https://www.insider.com/aaron-rodgers-mallory-edens-photos-2023-3#edens-graduated-from-princeton-where-she-ran-as-a-division-i-athlete-in-womens-track-and-field-in-2018-4
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 21, 2023, 12:24:27 PM
Profile on The Duck.....
https://www.insider.com/aaron-rodgers-mallory-edens-photos-2023-3#edens-graduated-from-princeton-where-she-ran-as-a-division-i-athlete-in-womens-track-and-field-in-2018-4
Do you think about her when you masterbate?
https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2023/03/21/2023-aaron-rodgers-right-for-jets-wrong-for-new-york
Where did this "The Duck" name come from? Is its a Herman pet name thing?
Kan't use da "F" word, hey?
Quote from: JWags85 on March 22, 2023, 10:04:04 AM
Where did this "The Duck" name come from? Is its a Herman pet name thing?
My guess is due to Mallory being close to Mallard.
Jets fans lobbying The Duck ....
https://nypost.com/2023/03/24/aaron-rodgers-fans-hit-mallory-edens-instagram-amid-jets-buzz/amp/
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 21, 2023, 08:42:37 AM
but it seems very evident that the Packers hold the upper hand, if you dismiss the fact they are losing a HOF QB.
Unless the next man up is yet another Hall of Fame Quarterback.
You never know! Nobody thought that about ARog.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 20, 2023, 07:19:25 PM
Former Packers Front Office Exec says Packers have the advantage....
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/20/aaron-rodgers-trade-packers-jets-leverage
great read - idiot Jets fans (I know, oxymoron) with zero knowledge of the contract situation basically say the Packers are in position to take nothing more than a toaster for Rodgers.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 26, 2023, 12:33:07 AM
great read - idiot Jets fans (I know, oxymoron) with zero knowledge of the contract situation basically say the Packers are in position to take nothing more than a toaster for Rodgers.
You may want to Google 'oxymoron'.
I think the work 'redundant' works better?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 26, 2023, 09:35:37 AM
You may want to Google 'oxymoron'.
I think the work 'redundant' works better?
yep, too late night of a post...
https://www.tmz.com/2023/03/25/allen-lazard-aaron-rodgers-big-reason-jets-signing-expects-trade/?adid=social-twa
Would GB be interested in Lamar Jackson now that he wants to be traded? The chance Love is ever as good as Jackson is very slim (no offense to Love; very high bar w/ LJ).
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 27, 2023, 01:18:37 PM
Would GB be interested in Lamar Jackson now that he wants to be traded? The chance Love is ever as good as Jackson is very slim (no offense to Love; very high bar w/ LJ).
I'm pretty sure he's asking for an absurd contract like what Watson got. Even if the Packers wanted him, I'm not sure they could field a team between that contract and what they owe Rodgers.
I also don't think Lamar would be worth all that.
What would be the trade value for Lamar ?
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 27, 2023, 04:00:44 PM
What would be the trade value for Lamar ?
Isn't it 2 first rounders? Or is that able to be negotiated?
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 27, 2023, 04:11:19 PM
Isn't it 2 first rounders? Or is that able to be negotiated?
T.B.D. The 2 first round picks are locked in if you sign him while under the franchise tag. A trade could be anything.
Packers GM has room for improvement
https://www.nfl.com/_amp/packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-doesn-t-view-getting-first-round-pick-as-necessity-in
https://twitter.com/gbpdaily/status/1641182990394073088?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Isn't it nice to have a QB willing to work hard and better yet, have a QB whose teammates respect
This morning on the radio (Get Up!) Tedy Bruschi said the Packers treated Aaron poorly.
Not that Aaron feels like the Packers treated him poorly.
Is Bruschi right? Are the Packers guilty of treating the star QB bad?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 05, 2023, 07:53:42 AM
This morning on the radio (Get Up!) Tedy Bruschi said the Packers treated Aaron poorly.
Not that Aaron feels like the Packers treated him poorly.
Is Bruschi right? Are the Packers guilty of treating the star QB bad?
Nope
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 05, 2023, 07:53:42 AM
This morning on the radio (Get Up!) Tedy Bruschi said the Packers treated Aaron poorly.
Not that Aaron feels like the Packers treated him poorly.
Is Bruschi right? Are the Packers guilty of treating the star QB bad?
Absolutely! They only gave generational wealth to a quarterback who hasn't been in a Super Bowl in more than a decade and who has authored several heartbreaking season endings. Terrible.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2023, 09:05:08 AM
Absolutely! They only gave generational wealth to a quarterback who hasn't been in a Super Bowl in more than a decade and who has authored several heartbreaking season endings. Terrible.
I agree. As a Bears fan I feel like GB has been fair and professional with AR.
I wonder if Tedy is a lone wolf in terms of players feelings about GB or if he reflects many players take on the AR situation.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 05, 2023, 07:53:42 AM
This morning on the radio (Get Up!) Tedy Bruschi said the Packers treated Aaron poorly.
Not that Aaron feels like the Packers treated him poorly.
Is Bruschi right? Are the Packers guilty of treating the star QB bad?
If they treated him poorly, it's because they surrounded him with historically bad defenses and/or historically bad meltdowns. Which I'm sure was just Gutey's and Ted's way of exerting control.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 05, 2023, 07:53:42 AM
This morning on the radio (Get Up!) Tedy Bruschi said the Packers treated Aaron poorly.
Not that Aaron feels like the Packers treated him poorly.
Is Bruschi right? Are the Packers guilty of treating the star QB bad?
I played in a golf outing once with Tedy. He self admitted to many of concussions. So not sure he is thinking clearly.
The Athletic took a look at 2020 first-round draft picks to see which ones merited having their 5th-year options exercised by their teams. Teams have until May 2 to make the call. Here's what they said about Love:
QB Jordan Love, Green Bay Packers
Pick: 26 | 2024 option salary: $20.272 million
It's a lot of money to pay such an unproven player. But the Packers believe in Love enough to shop Aaron Rodgers. If Love plays in 2023 like team officials expect, picking up the fifth-year option will look really smart.
Quote from: MU82 on April 12, 2023, 11:22:37 AM
The Athletic took a look at 2020 first-round draft picks to see which ones merited having their 5th-year options exercised by their teams. Teams have until May 2 to make the call. Here's what they said about Love:
QB Jordan Love, Green Bay Packers
Pick: 26 | 2024 option salary: $20.272 million
It's a lot of money to pay such an unproven player. But the Packers believe in Love enough to shop Aaron Rodgers. If Love plays in 2023 like team officials expect, picking up the fifth-year option will look really smart.
They don't really have a choice. They're moving on a year too late, and they need the years of control to figure it out. Plus, if Love is terrible, you're better leaning into the suck for a year
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 12, 2023, 08:36:39 PM
They don't really have a choice. They're moving on a year too late, and they need the years of control to figure it out. Plus, if Love is terrible, you're better leaning into the suck for a year
Two years ago, the Panthers faced a similar decision with Darnold.
For my Packer-fan friends, I hope this turns out better for y'all.
If they are going to pay $20M for complete suckage, I'm available for $18M.
Cluster Fook
https://nypost.com/2023/04/13/why-jets-woody-johnson-might-have-held-up-aaron-rodgers-trade/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 13, 2023, 08:59:04 PM
Cluster Fook
https://nypost.com/2023/04/13/why-jets-woody-johnson-might-have-held-up-aaron-rodgers-trade/amp/
I'm not going to get too worked up until the draft happens without the trade going through or it's a weak return. There's not really any deadline until the draft.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 13, 2023, 09:01:38 PM
I'm not going to get too worked up until the draft happens without the trade going through or it's a weak return. There's not really any deadline until the draft.
Wouldn't the packers prefer that the trade be official after June 1st? If so, terms could be agreed on, draft picks being done for other team etc. Just can't be made official until after June 1st?
Would love to see the Jets trip over their "Johnson " Rod.
https://nypost.com/2023/04/20/aaron-rodgers-trade-49ers-whispers-intensify-in-possible-jets-disaster/amp/
The Jets are still the Jets. No team in the NFL is better at screwing things up.
GB should demand their 1st rounder as a starting point and if the Jets say no, look to SF or Tennessee.
Nice job by the Packers to leak that other teams are interested in ARod.
i think detroit could f' this up better than jets as they always seem to do when most everyone else would have this thing dic..in the bag
The Packers are free of the choking dog
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1650595082616164352?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Didn't get enough, aina?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 24, 2023, 03:21:00 PM
The Packers are free of the choking dog
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1650595082616164352?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Pretty strong return for a 40 year old who wasn't very good last year.
Compensation seems fine, essentially two 2nd round picks, I'd be curious if a new contract was worked out. That's of more interest to me to see here.
Nope, one year removed from MVP status. GBP got fleeced, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 24, 2023, 03:25:39 PM
Didn't get enough, aina?
Nope, front office should have traded him after 2020. That's on them and why they'll be job hunting probably in a year or two
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 24, 2023, 03:28:25 PM
Nope, one year removed from MVP status. GBP got fleeced, hey?
In what way? They get a 2nd this year and if he plays 65% of the snaps next year they get a first. Otherwise they get two seconds. What were you expecting them to get?
Pretty easy for the Jets to counter the Packers "well he was MVP 2 years ago!" with "Well he stunk last year, he's going to be 40, and he's constantly trying to retire so we're not giving you 2 firsts."
Sure, shoulda cut bait with the dude and there was no rush to draft #10, who likely will suck major ass, aina?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 24, 2023, 03:29:59 PM
In what way? They get a 2nd this year and if he plays 65% of the snaps next year they get a first. What were you expecting them to get?
Pretty easy for the Jets to counter the Packers "well he was MVP 2 years ago!" with "Well he stunk last year, he's going to be 40, and he's constantly trying to retire so we're not giving you 2 firsts."
Shoulda peddled his ass to the Broncos who spent like a drunken sailor for #3, hey?
Gutekunst is saying it's "not finalized" due to "paperwork," which my guess is that Rodgers has to sign an amended contract to lesson the cap hit.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 24, 2023, 03:31:56 PM
Shoulda peddled his ass to the Broncos who spent like a drunken sailor for #3, hey?
No team is trading a reigning MVP that had just led his team to the 1 seed.
He gowne.
Get your Love jersey while they're still in stock, hey?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 24, 2023, 03:33:38 PM
No team is trading a reigning MVP that had just led his team to the 1 seed.
Why not? Seriously, why not? That same qb who lost to Tampa Bay at Lambeau with Tom Brady throwing 3 interceptions? The same QB who mustered 10 points against San Francisco is a divisional playoff game a year later at Lambeau?
The Jets will learn what the Packers knew, Rodgers isn't going to ever repeat 2010
Packers should be willing to trade out of 13 and add more picks. Get young and if Love bombs, start anew in 2024. Excited for a Packers season for the first time since 2014.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 24, 2023, 03:39:52 PM
Packers should be willing to trade out of 13 and add more picks. Get young and if Love bombs, start anew in 2024. Excited for a Packers season for the first time since 2014.
I suspect teams are going to have a hard time trading down in this draft, and if they do, they won't get great value. The consensus seems to be there are a handful of non-QB bluechippers out there, and after that, there's not much difference between guys who will go in the teens and guys who will go 15-20 picks later.
#10 and the 13th pick should be able to get 'em pick #30, hey?
The conditional SHOULD be a 1st round pick next year.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 24, 2023, 03:43:36 PM
I suspects teams are going to have a hard time trading down in this draft, and if they do, they won't get great value. The consensus seems to be there are a handful of non-QB bluechippers out there, and after that, there's not much difference between guys who will go in the teens and guys who will go 15-20 picks later.
If one of the 4 QBs fall, someone will want in. Big if.
That's also why I'd be willing to move down, even if it's just worth a 3rd or 4th. Either way, it's a great day for the Packers organization
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 24, 2023, 03:49:35 PM
The conditional SHOULD be a 1st round pick next year.
Yes. The return was better than I expected.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 24, 2023, 03:33:09 PM
Gutekunst is saying it's "not finalized" due to "paperwork," which my guess is that Rodgers has to sign an amended contract to lesson the cap hit.
To me, this was always the bigger story than the draft compensation. What the financial impact is for both teams this year and next is more interesting.
https://twitter.com/byryanwood/status/1650604401071890442?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: wadesworld on April 24, 2023, 03:51:07 PM
Yes. The return was better than I expected.
Agreed. It all seemed to come down to two 2nds or a 1st and a 2nd. Playing 65% of the snaps seems a pretty low bar for converting that pick into a first
Quote from: MUBurrow on April 24, 2023, 04:14:17 PM
Agreed. It all seemed to come down to two 2nds or a 1st and a 2nd. Playing 65% of the snaps seems a pretty low bar for converting that pick into a first
He'll probably retire in October and start a podcast
The Packers can't move any of the $40.3 million dead cap with this move, they'll have to eat all of it in 2023. Effectively, after accounting for draft picks and practice squad, the Packers net cap is negative $1 million (as of now) heading into the season. Obviously will have to get creative.
...and the Jets will be just as terrible as they always have been.
IMHO, the Packers get a B- on this deal. Should have moved him a year earlier and could have managed the cap better. Still a decent draft capital return for a top 10 QB but with a limited career left.
Looks like Packers are off the hook for Contract of Rodgers from a monetary perspective . I guess the dead cap hit is still there .
https://sports.yahoo.com/jets-picking-aaron-rodgers-58-124406238.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 25, 2023, 09:33:17 AM
Looks like Packers are off the hook for Contract of Rodgers from a monetary perspective . I guess the dead cap hit is still there .
https://sports.yahoo.com/jets-picking-aaron-rodgers-58-124406238.html
Not sure why that needed an article. An "expected" "formality" for a Jets player.
Packers to win the North at +500 are nice odds. Definitely some Ewing Theory potential, and the division feels still pretty open.
🤔
Rodgers arrives at Jets facility. Hope he does well enough to get 65 percent of snaps this coming season. Would help the packers cause if that 2024 second turns into a first
https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-aaron-rodgers-arrives-jets-135548762.html
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 26, 2023, 09:57:43 AM
Rodgers arrives at Jets facility. Hope he does well enough to get 65 percent of snaps this coming season. Would help the packers cause if that 2024 second turns into a first
https://sports.yahoo.com/watch-aaron-rodgers-arrives-jets-135548762.html
Whether he plays well enough or not doesn't matter. An injury is the only thing that keeps GB from getting the 1st round pick.
Quote from: Jockey on April 26, 2023, 01:02:17 PM
Whether he plays well enough or not doesn't matter. An injury is the only thing that keeps GB from getting the 1st round pick.
Well it kinda does because if he plays 65% but plays terrible we get a better spot. Question is if he gets benched to save the 1 if he plays like @$$.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 24, 2023, 05:01:05 PM
The Packers can't move any of the $40.3 million dead cap with this move, they'll have to eat all of it in 2023. Effectively, after accounting for draft picks and practice squad, the Packers net cap is negative $1 million (as of now) heading into the season. Obviously will have to get creative.
Apparently not.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/26/packers-get-short-term-cap-relief-with-minor-adjustment-to-aaron-rodgerss-contract/
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 26, 2023, 01:18:03 PM
Well it kinda does because if he plays 65% but plays terrible we get a better spot. Question is if he gets benched to save the 1 if he plays like @$$.
Hopefully, he quits on the Jets like quit on the Packers last year
From reading Scoop, it appears that most of the GB fans here think Love's not very good. Curious how many also thought Rodgers wasn't very good back in 2006 and 2007.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2023, 12:14:58 PM
Packers to win the North at +500 are nice odds. Definitely some Ewing Theory potential, and the division feels still pretty open.
🤔
Grabbed it
Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2023, 01:39:08 PM
From reading Scoop, it appears that most of the GB fans here think Love's not very good. Curious how many also thought Rodgers wasn't very good back in 2006 and 2007.
I don't think that is at all the consensus.
Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2023, 01:39:08 PM
From reading Scoop, it appears that most of the GB fans here think Love's not very good. Curious how many also thought Rodgers wasn't very good back in 2006 and 2007.
Nobody thought Rodgers was good until his game against the Cowboys on a Thursday night in 2007. He was not good in camp, preseason or limited action his first two seasons. He was slow and injury-prone. It clicked for him after that. He was good in camp and preseason in 2007. A completely different player
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2023, 01:41:00 PM
I don't think that is at all the consensus.
OK. Maybe the haters are just louder, or maybe I just haven't read the thread right.
Anyway, did you expect Rodgers to be a star after sitting on the bench for 3 years? Did you expect him to suck? Did you not know what to expect?
Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2023, 01:44:29 PM
OK. Maybe the haters are just louder, or maybe I just haven't read the thread right.
Anyway, did you expect Rodgers to be a star after sitting on the bench for 3 years? Did you expect him to suck? Did you not know what to expect?
I was very excited when he was drafted. I didn't know what we had at the time, but who could have. Brett was getting old, and you don't see a top 2 pick slide to the 20s very often unless there are major red flags.
What was the rush to move up and select Love? Its not like he's the second coming of Mahomes. I'll be surprised if he's any more than pedestrian and would peddle his ass right now for a pigskin and a kickin' tee, hey?
Time will tell.
I was letdown at the time, but understand it. I think at that point, Rodgers' contract was very easy to get away from over the next few years, and his performance was dropping.
I think the plan was to have Love behind him and move on for the 2022 season. Then Rodgers won MVP twice and the team had great years and the next contract was very favorable to Rodgers.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 26, 2023, 02:02:05 PM
What was the rush to move up and select Love? Its not like he's the second coming of Mahomes. I'll be surprised if he's any more than pedestrian and would peddle his ass right now for a pigskin and a kickin' tee, hey?
He's not the second coming of Mahomes YET
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 26, 2023, 02:40:55 PM
I was letdown at the time, but understand it. I think at that point, Rodgers' contract was very easy to get away from over the next few years, and his performance was dropping.
I think the plan was to have Love behind him and move on for the 2022 season. Then Rodgers won MVP twice and the team had great years and the next contract was very favorable to Rodgers.
Agreed on all. Given how Rodgers has consistently shown he needs to feel disrespected to feel motivated, I think the Packers got good value from Love if he never plays a down.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 26, 2023, 02:02:05 PM
What was the rush to move up and select Love? Its not like he's the second coming of Mahomes. I'll be surprised if he's any more than pedestrian and would peddle his ass right now for a pigskin and a kickin' tee, hey?
Because Rodgers wasn't good in 2019 and was showing signs of decline. It was his third straight sub-100 QB rating and he was going to be 37.
He was also beginning his diva song and dance BS. He turned it around in '20 and '21 and was incredible. The idea of drafting a QB in 2020 was no different that taking a QB in the first round in 2005
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 26, 2023, 01:18:50 PM
Apparently not.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/26/packers-get-short-term-cap-relief-with-minor-adjustment-to-aaron-rodgerss-contract/
Rodger's dead cap hit didn't change by one cent with the "restructuring". His dead cap for Green Bay is still $40.3 million, and Green Bay will carry that entire hit for all of the 2023 season. All this move does is impact 2024, where the restructuring means the Packers won't take a hit next season. Technically speaking, GB declined the 2023 option, and all three sides agreed to a new contract that "saved" GB $14 M in 2023 (that they were probably never going to pay anyway).
Before the trade: Rodgers GB cap hit $31.6 M for 2023
After the trade: Rodgers GB cap hit $40.3 M for 2023, $0 thereafter
Net net: Trading Rodgers now gave GB a net -$9 M cap hit this season, nothing moving forward
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 26, 2023, 03:12:29 PM
Rodger's dead cap hit didn't change by one cent with the "restructuring". His dead cap for Green Bay is still $40.3 million, and Green Bay will carry that entire hit for all of the 2023 season. All this move does is impact 2024, where the restructuring means the Packers won't take a hit next season. Technically speaking, GB declined the 2023 option, and all three sides agreed to a new contract that "saved" GB $14 M in 2023 (that they were probably never going to pay anyway).
Before the trade: Rodgers GB cap hit $31.6 M for 2023
After the trade: Rodgers GB cap hit $40.3 M for 2023, $0 thereafter
Net net: Trading Rodgers now gave GB a net -$9 M cap hit this season, nothing moving forward
Yup and that is a big W
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2023, 03:19:51 PM
Yup and that is a big W
It is a big win for GB for 2024, they were up against the projected ceiling for 2024 before this move. For the Jets, it'll allow them to reasonably work Rodgers in for 2024 (if he plays). The Jets real problem would be 2025/2026.
OK then I am not understanding when the PFT link says this:
"The contract has a $58.3 million option bonus, which converts to base salary if not exercised by Week One. The Packers had been carrying this year's allocation of the bonus — $14.575 million — along with his base salary for 2023. In a revision to the contract, the exercise window was shifted to erase the $14.575 million cap charge.
The alternative would have been to pick up the credit in 2024. The new deal allowed the Packers to get the benefit of the reduction now.
That reduces the cap charge from $37.4 million to $22.825 million, and it clears Rodgers from the books in 2023."
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 26, 2023, 03:50:47 PM
OK then I am not understanding when the PFT link says this:
"The contract has a $58.3 million option bonus, which converts to base salary if not exercised by Week One. The Packers had been carrying this year's allocation of the bonus — $14.575 million — along with his base salary for 2023. In a revision to the contract, the exercise window was shifted to erase the $14.575 million cap charge.
The alternative would have been to pick up the credit in 2024. The new deal allowed the Packers to get the benefit of the reduction now.
That reduces the cap charge from $37.4 million to $22.825 million, and it clears Rodgers from the books in 2023."
That's PFT's long winded way of saying the Packers declined to pick up his yearly $14.75 option bonus (that unless Rodgers eff'd them over, they were never going to pay anyway). It means Green Bay no longer has a commitment to that bonus going forward.
Rodgers said the Jets' didn't bring him in to be their savior.
Well, actually, they did.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2023, 02:52:20 PM
Because Rodgers wasn't good in 2019 and was showing signs of decline. It was his third straight sub-100 QB rating and he was going to be 37.
He was also beginning his diva song and dance BS. He turned it around in '20 and '21 and was incredible. The idea of drafting a QB in 2020 was no different that taking a QB in the first round in 2005
Fine, but why Love? Dude was nothing special and was an interception machine, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 26, 2023, 05:59:53 PM
Fine, but why Love? Dude was nothing special and was an interception machine, aina?
So? What was Josh Allen?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 26, 2023, 05:59:53 PM
Fine, but why Love? Dude was nothing special and was an interception machine, aina?
Not like there were any other good QBs available to them.
(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_mobile/eagles/zgctjxgadbzgfipscw6l.png)
Lamar Jackson can be had for a price.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2023, 06:07:23 PM
So? What was Josh Allen?
In his final college season, Allen threw six INTs on 270 attempts, or one per 45 attempts.
Love, in his final college season, threw 17 INTs on 293 attempts, or one per 17 attempts.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 26, 2023, 06:18:28 PM
In his final college season, Allen threw six INTs on 270 attempts, or one per 45 attempts.
Love, in his final college season, threw 17 INTs on 293 attempts, or one per 17 attempts.
Ok, bad comp, lol. There were a lot of concerns about Allen's completion percentage coming out and Love was really good as a sophomore with a new coach (Gary Andersen) his junior year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2023, 06:23:33 PM
Ok, bad comp, lol. There were a lot of concerns about Allen's completion percentage coming out and Love was really good as a sophomore with a new coach (Gary Andersen) his junior year
To be fair, Allen threw 15 picks in his second season at Wyoming. And accuracy was an issue.
See Rodgers new hair cut? Cleaning it up for the east coast media or what the hell.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 26, 2023, 02:02:05 PM
What was the rush to move up and select Love? Its not like he's the second coming of Mahomes. I'll be surprised if he's any more than pedestrian and would peddle his ass right now for a pigskin and a kickin' tee, hey?
I agree with this analysis
As it currently stands, AR's cap hit in 2024 will be $107.5mm.
Packers needed a Tight End . Can't go wrong with a good edge rusher . Maybe the second round picks will yield some TE
you ain't wrong here hermie, but they need a quarterback to throw to him first, unless you mean from a blocking standpoint :(
the packers always seemed to draft somewhat antithetical to what most thought to be CW.
the packers should blow up their little "ownership committee" and form something that can be held a little bit more accountable. murphy and gutekunst need to go. going back to the favre days, we should have won no less than 4 superbowls between the 2 qb's...NO LESS-the town should be running with pitchforks and fire the way they hold this team in importance of their day to day functions
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 28, 2023, 05:20:47 AM
you ain't wrong here hermie, but they need a quarterback to throw to him first, unless you mean from a blocking standpoint :(
the packers always seemed to draft somewhat antithetical to what most thought to be CW.
the packers should blow up their little "ownership committee" and form something that can be held a little bit more accountable. murphy and gutekunst need to go. going back to the favre days, we should have won no less than 4 superbowls between the 2 qb's...NO LESS-the town should be running with pitchforks and fire the way they hold this team in importance of their day to day functions
Van Ness was connected with the Packers for most of the draft process, so there was nothing unconventional about the pick. Edge rusher was a spot they needed to add depth to with Gary coming off his injury and possibly leaving after 2023.
The Packers would have won more Super Bowls had the Ol' Dongslinger didn't fire inexplicable interceptions all over the field and 12 choke like a dog in the playoffs
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 28, 2023, 05:20:47 AM
you ain't wrong here hermie, but they need a quarterback to throw to him first, unless you mean from a blocking standpoint :(
the packers always seemed to draft somewhat antithetical to what most thought to be CW.
the packers should blow up their little "ownership committee" and form something that can be held a little bit more accountable. murphy and gutekunst need to go. going back to the favre days, we should have won no less than 4 superbowls between the 2 qb's...NO LESS-the town should be running with pitchforks and fire the way they hold this team in importance of their day to day functions
What do you mean by "ownership committee?" Gutekunst has complete control of the draft and Murphy has complete control over the business operation. They have an executive committee that oversees them from a governance point of view, but there are very clear lines of responsibility.
well, here's hoping there are good tight ends and wide receivers available from here on for a couple of rounds unless they have something cooking via trades or free agency
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 28, 2023, 07:52:59 AM
well, here's hoping there are good tight ends and wide receivers available from here on for a couple of rounds unless they have something cooking via trades or free agency
Did you watch the draft? Did you see how Kincaid fell?
Do you know who Mayer, Schoonmaker, Musgrave and Washington are?
They should run some veer offense, too
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 28, 2023, 07:50:43 AM
What do you mean by "ownership committee?" Gutekunst has complete control of the draft and Murphy has complete control over the business operation. They have an executive committee that oversees them from a governance point of view, but there are very clear lines of responsibility.
too many chefs in the kitchen. although it has kinda worked for the past 100 years i guess, but i see stagnation on the horizon. they have too many people needed to make the "big decisions".
this article from nbc sports mike florio back in 2016 couldn't have stated my point any better-
"Sure, the coach can fire any of his assistants and the G.M. can fire the coach and the CEO can fire the G.M. and the executive committee can fire the CEO and the board of directors can supplant the executive committee, but those powers take a back seat to corporate politics that become much harder to navigate when there isn't one person who can say without fear of resentment or repercussion or revenge that change is happening. Despite the neat and tidy characterization, the five layers don't operate as bright lines; if the coach wants to fire one or more members of his staff, he'd better be sure the G.M. is on board with it. If the G.M. wants to fire the coach, he'd better be sure the CEO is on board with it. And if the CEO wants to fire the G.M., he'd better be sure the executive committee is on board with it. And if any members of the executive committee want to fire the CEO, they'd better be sure to get enough members of the board of directors on board with it."
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 28, 2023, 07:59:11 AM
Did you watch the draft? Did you see how Kincaid fell?
Do you know who Mayer, Schoonmaker, Musgrave and Washington are?
They should run some veer offense, too
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Well, since the Packers don't have an owner, and are a not-for-profit corporation, they have to have a Board of Directors. But the Board really doesn't actually do much. They vote on a few things that are required by the by-laws, go to a couple of meetings a year when they see some presentations, and travel on the road a couple games a year.
The Executive Committee oversees governance issues and hires and evaluates the President. But Mark Murphy runs the organization. There is no doubt about that. He defers football related decisions to Gutekunst. This is the same way the Packers have been run since Bob Harlan took over as President and hired Ron Wolf as GM. This isn't like the Bart Starr era when the chair of the board was the de facto President and got overly involved in football operations.
The Executive Committee or Mark Murphy aren't making football personnel decisions. And if Mark Murphy wants to fire Gutey, he can do it tomorrow. Would he have to clear it with the Executive Committee? Sure. But they would certainly let him. But honestly, Mark Murphy likes him and thinks he is doing a good job. And the Executive Committee and the Board LOVE Mark Murphy - as they should. The organization is making more money than ever, especially though their non-football related operations. And the performance on the field has been fine.
And none of that has anything to do with who they drafted. Do you really want an owner micro-managing that process?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 28, 2023, 08:17:54 AM
Well, since the Packers don't have an owner, and are a not-for-profit corporation, they have to have a Board of Directors. But the Board really doesn't actually do much. They vote on a few things that are required by the by-laws, go to a couple of meetings a year when they see some presentations, and travel on the road a couple games a year.
The Executive Committee oversees governance issues and hires and evaluates the President. But Mark Murphy runs the organization. There is no doubt about that. He defers football related decisions to Gutekunst. This is the same way the Packers have been run since Bob Harlan took over as President and hired Ron Wolf as GM. This isn't like the Bart Starr era when the chair of the board was the de facto President and got overly involved in football operations.
The Executive Committee or Mark Murphy aren't making football personnel decisions. And if Mark Murphy wants to fire Gutey, he can do it tomorrow. Would he have to clear it with the Executive Committee? Sure. But they would certainly let him.
murphy is the one who needs to go
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 28, 2023, 08:23:04 AM
murphy is the one who needs to go
No idea why you think that. The organization is run extremely well.
And you will get your wish because he turns 70 in 2025, which is the Packers mandatory retirement age.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 28, 2023, 08:25:39 AM
No idea why you think that. The organization is run extremely well.
And you will get your wish because he turns 70 in 2025, which is the Packers mandatory retirement age.
They should make that a rule for dentists... or scoopers!
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 28, 2023, 08:23:04 AM
murphy is the one who needs to go
I agree with this analysis
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 28, 2023, 08:40:21 AM
I agree with this analysis
You don't like the incredible financial growth and development under Murphy? Huh
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 28, 2023, 09:05:10 AM
You don't like the incredible financial growth and development under Murphy? Huh
It does kind of beg the question of how one measures success.
For example, many of my friends Bears fans and Packers fans alike have been dragging Rodgers as a failure for only winning one Superbowl, considering him a "failure." On the other hand, I had a lot of fun watching him play while he was in GB, I enjoyed the games more often than I didn't, and while it would have been more fun to win more Superbowls, it's hard for me to consider that a "failure."
In this context, my friends measure of success was "championship" while mine was "enjoyed good football and had a lot of fun as a fan."
To that end, how do we measure success of Murphy/GBPackers Org? Make lots of money? Build fancy redevelopments in Green Bay? Win football games? Win NFC North? Win playoff games? Win Superbowls? I think how you answer that will define where you fall on the Mark Murphy issue.
Quote from: jficke13 on April 28, 2023, 09:43:35 AM
It does kind of beg the question of how one measures success.
For example, many of my friends Bears fans and Packers fans alike have been dragging Rodgers as a failure for only winning one Superbowl, considering him a "failure." On the other hand, I had a lot of fun watching him play while he was in GB, I enjoyed the games more often than I didn't, and while it would have been more fun to win more Superbowls, it's hard for me to consider that a "failure."
In this context, my friends measure of success was "championship" while mine was "enjoyed good football and had a lot of fun as a fan."
To that end, how do we measure success of Murphy/GBPackers Org? Make lots of money? Build fancy redevelopments in Green Bay? Win football games? Win NFC North? Win playoff games? Win Superbowls? I think how you answer that will define where you fall on the Mark Murphy issue.
I think the criticisms of Murphy and the football operations are fair. They let the QB dictate far too much the last two years to the long term detriment of the team. I'd guess some argue Murphy didn't do enough to acquiesce the QBs roster desires. There's an argument for both, which is a symptom of the problems that have plagued them the last few years.
As far as Murphy the businessman, he's done far more good than bad. People are still piling into Lambeau all year long and will for a variety of reasons moving forward.
I argue he failed the organization by not letting the front office handle roster and coaching issues by allowing the QB too much power.
Quote from: jficke13 on April 28, 2023, 09:43:35 AM
It does kind of beg the question of how one measures success.
For example, many of my friends Bears fans and Packers fans alike have been dragging Rodgers as a failure for only winning one Superbowl, considering him a "failure." On the other hand, I had a lot of fun watching him play while he was in GB, I enjoyed the games more often than I didn't, and while it would have been more fun to win more Superbowls, it's hard for me to consider that a "failure."
In this context, my friends measure of success was "championship" while mine was "enjoyed good football and had a lot of fun as a fan."
To that end, how do we measure success of Murphy/GBPackers Org? Make lots of money? Build fancy redevelopments in Green Bay? Win football games? Win NFC North? Win playoff games? Win Superbowls? I think how you answer that will define where you fall on the Mark Murphy issue.
It's interesting because this is pretty much the Giannis press conference answer that has gone viral about disputing this season was a failure.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 28, 2023, 09:54:17 AM
I think the criticisms of Murphy and the football operations are fair. They let the QB dictate far too much the last two years to the long term detriment of the team. I'd guess some argue Murphy didn't do enough to acquiesce the QBs roster desires. There's an argument for both, which is a symptom of the problems that have plagued them the last few years.
As far as Murphy the businessman, he's done far more good than bad. People are still piling into Lambeau all year long and will for a variety of reasons moving forward.
I argue he failed the organization by not letting the front office handle roster and coaching issues by allowing the QB too much power.
I think Mark Murphy made two mistakes with regards to the football operation. First was hanging on to Ted Thompson for too long. Second was, as you mention, letting the quarterback situation get out of hand.
But it would be hard to argue that the football product hasn't been been successful during his tenure. They won a Super Bowl. Sure they lost four conference championships since then, but getting that far, and winning eight division titles in the process isn't failrue. Is it as good as it could have been? No, but it would be hard to define Murphy's tenure as unsuccessful on the football field.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on April 28, 2023, 10:19:44 AM
I think Mark Murphy made two mistakes with regards to the football operation. First was hanging on to Ted Thompson for too long. Second was, as you mention, letting the quarterback situation get out of hand.
But it would be hard to argue that the football product hasn't been been successful during his tenure. They won a Super Bowl. Sure they lost four conference championships since then, but getting that far, and winning eight division titles in the process isn't failrue. Is it as good as it could have been? No, but it would be hard to define Murphy's tenure as unsuccessful on the football field.
All valid points. The fire Murphy stuff revolves largely from people that don't like Jordan Love and not going "all-in"
The Thompson criticism isn't something I thought of. That's definitely a strike against him
Quote from: jficke13 on April 28, 2023, 09:43:35 AM
It does kind of beg the question of how one measures success.
For example, many of my friends Bears fans and Packers fans alike have been dragging Rodgers as a failure for only winning one Superbowl, considering him a "failure." On the other hand, I had a lot of fun watching him play while he was in GB, I enjoyed the games more often than I didn't, and while it would have been more fun to win more Superbowls, it's hard for me to consider that a "failure."
In this context, my friends measure of success was "championship" while mine was "enjoyed good football and had a lot of fun as a fan."
To that end, how do we measure success of Murphy/GBPackers Org? Make lots of money? Build fancy redevelopments in Green Bay? Win football games? Win NFC North? Win playoff games? Win Superbowls? I think how you answer that will define where you fall on the Mark Murphy issue.
Has Mark Murphy raised any elite PBP announcer offspring while running the front office in Green Bay? No, then he's a profound failure, thats the key success KPI for a Packer's president.
ok, had to get a round of golf in while the weather was decent-
just because, the stands are full, they've been entertaining, the stadium has been renovated, new player hall of fame, restaurants, improved fan experience, we have been to 3 super bowls over the past 26 years coupled with additional playoff appearances with varying amounts of success or failure... etc etc does not tell near the whole story. i could go on and on about all the good things the packers have provided, including that they've kept the team in green bay, whatever...
with the quarterbacks they've had plus an array of other talent, the packer organization failed its fans immensely. when you have 2 hall of fame quarterbacks for over 20 years, one expects a little bit more and rightly so. whether it was the gm or the president, i don't care who's fault, but getting the final piece or two or three to get to the super bowl a few more times should have been priority #1. your average fantasy player probably could have done better
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 28, 2023, 05:11:52 PM
ok, had to get a round of golf in while the weather was decent-
just because, the stands are full, they've been entertaining, the stadium has been renovated, new player hall of fame, restaurants, improved fan experience, we have been to 3 super bowls over the past 26 years coupled with additional playoff appearances with varying amounts of success or failure... etc etc does not tell near the whole story. i could go on and on about all the good things the packers have provided, including that they've kept the team in green bay, whatever...
with the quarterbacks they've had plus an array of other talent, the packer organization failed its fans immensely. when you have 2 hall of fame quarterbacks for over 20 years, one expects a little bit more and rightly so. whether it was the gm or the president, i don't care who's fault, but getting the final piece or two or three to get to the super bowl a few more times should have been priority #1. your average fantasy player probably could have done better
Fans are idiots
No. The Packer organization hasn't "failed immensely." That's silly talk.
Has it underperformed? Sure. But failed? Nope.
Like the 2nd round picks . Two TE a WR and and more draft choices later
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 28, 2023, 09:25:03 PM
Like the 2nd road picks . Two TE a WR and an Alabama safety
How could they find a TE in the 2nd round?
Also, they didn't draft an Alabama safety.
Fans are idiots stands
A TE named "Tucker Kraft" was bound to be a Packer draft pick.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 28, 2023, 09:28:29 PM
How could they find a TE in the 2nd round?
Also, they didn't draft an Alabama safety.
Fans are idiots stands
Correction noted
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 28, 2023, 10:00:22 PM
Correction noted
I was in the Packers draft room. Brian Branch has bad body language
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-watch-highlights-luke-musgrave-jayden-reed-tight-end-receiver/
https://twitter.com/jfeeshan/status/1652105818160939011?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Rashan Gary went and finished school in the off-season
Nice.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2023, 09:15:01 AM
https://twitter.com/jfeeshan/status/1652105818160939011?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Rashan Gary went and finished school in the off-season
Excellent news for Rashan
Packers drafted a lot of solid prospects . Was happy to see the volume of Tight Ends and receivers . A speculative attempt to address a need at kicker was also made.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 29, 2023, 06:03:37 PM
Packers drafted a lot of solid prospects . Was happy to see the volume of Tight Ends and receivers . Also picking up a strong legged kicker helps.
From NFL.com on Carlson:
Overview
Carlson has made kicks in big moments and appeared to be tracking in a good direction back in 2020. However, he has struggled to establish consistency on mid-range kicks and has been poor on kicks from 50 yards and beyond. He's had too many kicks blocked during his career and doesn't sport a booming leg on kickoffs.
Strengths
Brother is an NFL kicker.
Possesses good size and has made kicks in high-pressure situations.
Was 4 of 4 from 40-plus yards in dramatic 2019 Iron Bowl win over Alabama.
Weaknesses
Career make rate of just 71.8 percent.
Struggled to find consistent kickoff depth in 2022.
Made just 5 of 17 field goals from 50-plus yards, going 0 for 4 since 2021.
Highly inconsistent on mid-range kicks.
Slow operation time leads to blocked kicks.
So where do you gather "strong leg" from that
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2023, 06:06:58 PM
From NFL.com on Carlson:
Overview
Carlson has made kicks in big moments and appeared to be tracking in a good direction back in 2020. However, he has struggled to establish consistency on mid-range kicks and has been poor on kicks from 50 yards and beyond. He's had too many kicks blocked during his career and doesn't sport a booming leg on kickoffs.
Strengths
Brother is an NFL kicker.
Possesses good size and has made kicks in high-pressure situations.
Was 4 of 4 from 40-plus yards in dramatic 2019 Iron Bowl win over Alabama.
Weaknesses
Career make rate of just 71.8 percent.
Struggled to find consistent kickoff depth in 2022.
Made just 5 of 17 field goals from 50-plus yards, going 0 for 4 since 2021.
Highly inconsistent on mid-range kicks.
Slow operation time leads to blocked kicks.
So where do you gather "strong leg" from that
Love that his first/biggest strength has nothing to do with him personally.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on April 29, 2023, 06:53:14 PM
Love that his first/biggest strength has nothing to do with him personally.
Maybe he finds something with the Packers but he hasn't been good in 3 years and certainly doesn't have a "strong leg"
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2023, 06:06:58 PM
From NFL.com on Carlson:
Overview
Carlson has made kicks in big moments and appeared to be tracking in a good direction back in 2020. However, he has struggled to establish consistency on mid-range kicks and has been poor on kicks from 50 yards and beyond. He's had too many kicks blocked during his career and doesn't sport a booming leg on kickoffs.
Strengths
Brother is an NFL kicker.
Possesses good size and has made kicks in high-pressure situations.
Was 4 of 4 from 40-plus yards in dramatic 2019 Iron Bowl win over Alabama.
Weaknesses
Career make rate of just 71.8 percent.
Struggled to find consistent kickoff depth in 2022.
Made just 5 of 17 field goals from 50-plus yards, going 0 for 4 since 2021.
Highly inconsistent on mid-range kicks.
Slow operation time leads to blocked kicks.
So where do you gather "strong leg" from that
Correction Noted.
seemingly a good draft but holy crap bad picks on the QB and Kicker...
OK, I'll say it ...
The Packers drafted both Tucker and Carlson.
Outfoxed the other teams.
A fair and balanced draft.
Kind of interested to see how Sean Clifford pans out in Packers Training Camp. Seems like a kid who plays with a lot of heart, decent athleticism . Obviously lacking the arm strength. Sean is a 5th round pick so very likely makes the roster in some way.
https://www.blackshoediaries.com/2023/3/13/23637537/penn-state-nittany-lions-football-2022-player-countdown-sean-clifford-quarterback
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 30, 2023, 02:37:49 PM
Kind of interested to see how Sean Clifford pans out in Packers Training Camp. Seems like a kid who plays with a lot of heart, decent athleticism . Obviously lacking the arm strength. Sean is a 5th round pick so very likely makes the roster in some way.
https://www.blackshoediaries.com/2023/3/13/23637537/penn-state-nittany-lions-football-2022-player-countdown-sean-clifford-quarterback
They could have signed him as an UDFA after his shift at Arby's
Quote from: MU82 on April 30, 2023, 08:15:46 AM
OK, I'll say it ...
The Packers drafted both Tucker and Carlson.
Pack going to have some very tan balls this year
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I think a lot of these Packers 7th round picks, are guys they wanted to sign as undrafted free agents. Got out in front of other teams by drafting them.
Packer top brass gives details on each draft pick.
https://www.packers.com/news/here-s-checklist-of-what-this-13-player-draft-class-does-for-packers
Quote from: MU82 on April 30, 2023, 08:15:46 AM
OK, I'll say it ...
The Packers drafted both Tucker and Carlson.
Can't wait to see the first sideline photo of the two standing side-by-side.
EDIT: Not likely unless Tucker Kraft plays with his first name on the back of his jersey. Derp.
Penn State "moxie"
https://twitter.com/tyhildenbrandt/status/1653774314733174784?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 03, 2023, 10:29:21 AM
Penn State "moxie"
https://twitter.com/tyhildenbrandt/status/1653774314733174784?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Dammit, I had the link copied and everything...
Packers half commit to Jordan Love. Love Signs contract extension for less guaranteed money than if Packers committed to 5th year option......
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/03/packers-announce-jordan-loves-contract-extension/
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 03, 2023, 05:37:33 PM
Packers half commit to Jordan Love. Love Signs contract extension for less guaranteed money than if Packers committed to 5th year option......
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/03/packers-announce-jordan-loves-contract-extension/
After Rodgers flames out and Saleh gets canned, he'd be a nice new DC in GB
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 03, 2023, 05:42:08 PM
After Rodgers flames out and Saleh gets canned, he'd be a nice new DC in GB
Rodgers already planning on skipping practices. The more things change the more they stay the same.....
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/03/aaron-rodgers-says-hell-be-at-more-than-half-of-the-remaining-offseason-practices/
Packers strategy for Love and Young Receivers
https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/53247/packers-are-pairing-love-with-young-pass-catchers-to-grow-together?platform=amp
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/10/confident-jordan-love-addresses-media-for-first-time-as-packers-starting-qb/
Looks like Packers will be opening the season in Chicago and ending it v Chicago at Lambeau. Lots of noon games. No home game til week 3.
At Lions on Thanksgiving. No game on Christmas.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 11, 2023, 07:20:59 AM
Looks like Packers will be opening the season in Chicago and ending it v Chicago at Lambeau. Lots of noon games. No home game til week 3.
At Lions on Thanksgiving. No game on Christmas.
I like the Noon games especially later in the year .
Also Packers travel second fewest miles in 2023 season.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/10/packers-to-travel-second-fewest-miles-during-2023-season/
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 11, 2023, 07:20:59 AM
Looks like Packers will be opening the season in Chicago and ending it v Chicago at Lambeau. Lots of noon games. No home game til week 3.
At Lions on Thanksgiving. No game on Christmas.
Schedule showing the Packers some Love.
Looks like they don't get their third home game until the last weekend in October. Jeez...
What happens when a Packers game is in conflict with the start of deer hunting season?
Quote from: tower912 on May 11, 2023, 07:44:54 AM
What happens when a Packers game is in conflict with the start of deer hunting season?
If it's a home game, DUI rates skyrocket
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 11, 2023, 07:42:13 AM
Looks like they don't get their third home game until the last weekend in October. Jeez...
Not ideal, but from a season ticket holders' standpoint it still beats last year when the Packers were at home for three of their last four, including two in January. Once you substract the 2nd and 5th home games for the old MKE "gold" ticketholders, 2022 was an awful home sched for STHs.
Quote from: tower912 on May 11, 2023, 07:44:54 AM
What happens when a Packers game is in conflict with the start of deer hunting season?
There's either a lot of deer carcasses on the roofs of cars in the Lambeau parking lots or a lot of armed Packer fans on their way to the woods!
Pack signs Simone Biles husband. A safety. Rodgers out, Simone part of Packer nation, we got the better of that celebrity trade off by a mile.
Adios #2, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 14, 2023, 10:28:53 AM
Adios #2, hey?
We would've had a few less problems the past couple years if our kicker could kick the ball into the end zone.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 14, 2023, 10:28:53 AM
Adios #2, hey?
https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/dallas-cowboys-reveal-kicker-talks-openly-mention-signing-robbie-gould-mason-crosby-ryan-succop-bones-fassel-brett-maher
Not a great look for #4.
Favre has portrayed himself as an unknowing and tangential participant in the welfare-embezzlement scheme. But it appears nobody benefited more. Interviews and an analysis of legal filings and records, which include dozens of text conversations—some of which have not previously been public—paint Favre as a ringleader from start to finish.
Favre had promised his alma mater, Southern Miss, that he would build a volleyball facility for his daughter Breleigh's team there. But he was obsessed with not paying for it himself. So he got Mississippi's welfare agency to build indoor and beach volleyball facilities for him—using money intended for the poorest people in the nation's poorest state—and then he kept pushing to get more for a business venture, with the governor often helping him, according to texts from those involved.
"Brett Favre's repeated demands for this grant money were certainly the driving force" for millions of dollars in illegal transactions, says former U.S. Attorney Brad Pigott, who had been hired by current Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves to independently investigate the scandal—until Pigott started looking at the volleyball deal and Reeves fired him.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/05/18/brett-favre-mississippi-welfare-scandal-driving-force-daily-cover
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2023, 04:09:29 PM
Not a great look for #4.
Favre has portrayed himself as an unknowing and tangential participant in the welfare-embezzlement scheme. But it appears nobody benefited more. Interviews and an analysis of legal filings and records, which include dozens of text conversations—some of which have not previously been public—paint Favre as a ringleader from start to finish.
Favre had promised his alma mater, Southern Miss, that he would build a volleyball facility for his daughter Breleigh's team there. But he was obsessed with not paying for it himself. So he got Mississippi's welfare agency to build indoor and beach volleyball facilities for him—using money intended for the poorest people in the nation's poorest state—and then he kept pushing to get more for a business venture, with the governor often helping him, according to texts from those involved.
"Brett Favre's repeated demands for this grant money were certainly the driving force" for millions of dollars in illegal transactions, says former U.S. Attorney Brad Pigott, who had been hired by current Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves to independently investigate the scandal—until Pigott started looking at the volleyball deal and Reeves fired him.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/05/18/brett-favre-mississippi-welfare-scandal-driving-force-daily-cover
Also made some Scoop dentist type comments about trans people on a podcast recently.
Prison!
https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/53315/why-packers-rookies-may-mesh-better-with-jordan-love-than-aaron-rodgers?platform=amp
More blitzes expected against Jordan Love
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/with-love-here-comes-the-blitz
Packers second year wide receiver getting some attention from coaching staff
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/06/09/packers-have-high-hopes-for-second-year-wr-samori-toure/?taid=648481f9d4faf00001b55f77&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter
Jordan Love working on hard count
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/06/09/hard-count-an-emphasis-for-packers-qb-jordan-love-at-end-of-otas/
Packers Offseason Training went well . Sounds like the team has added speed at several position's
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-news-offseason-workout-program-recap-2023-jordan-love-lukas-van-ness/
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/packers-star-makes-bold-statement-jordan-love-takes-aaron-rodgers
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/06/20/jordan-love-leveraged-middle-of-the-field-during-packers-offseason-program/
Pro Football Focus says Jones and Dillon best running back duo in NFL. Thats a good foundation for the offense .
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/06/22/pff-sees-aaron-jones-and-a-j-dillon-as-nfls-best-rb-duo/
Seems like a lot of positives in the Packers off -season workouts. Only thing that could be troublesome is the notion of Jordan Love throwing to the middle of the field . My guess is that is a prescription for interceptions for an inexperienced quarterback
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/10-things-learned-during-packers-offseason-workout-program/
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 27, 2023, 12:26:18 PM
Seems like a lot of positives in the Packers off -season workouts. Only thing that could be troublesome is the notion of Jordan Love throwing to the middle of the field . My guess is that is a prescription for interceptions for an inexperienced quarterback
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/10-things-learned-during-packers-offseason-workout-program/
The offense is
designed to throw the middle of the field to break down the most popular defenses of the day.
Well Tonto, dat assumes ya got a qb hoo kan make those throws, hey?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/10-best-salary-cap-bargains-for-the-packers-in-2023/
An interesting analysis
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/all-brett-favre-aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-team-1992-2022-53-man-roster-all-time/
Aaron Jones qualifies for corn-hole workd championships
https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2023/07/09/green-bay-packers-aaron-jones-cornhole-championship
AJ Dillon with his new Children's book, Quadzilla Finds His Footing
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/11/packers-rb-a-j-dillon-releases-his-new-childrens-book-at-launch-party/
Packers 3rd Most superstitious in sports
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/20/packers-fans-rank-as-third-most-superstitious-in-major-pro-sports/
Packers CEO says it will take at least half a season to find out about Jordan Love. Good news is it isn't 5 years to judge
https://news.yahoo.com/jordan-love-future-packers-ceo-191949691.html
I kan save da dude halfa seeson. #10 sucks ass, hey?
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 24, 2023, 04:01:32 PM
Packers CEO says it will take at least half a season to find out about Jordan Love. Good news is it isn't 5 years to judge
https://news.yahoo.com/jordan-love-future-packers-ceo-191949691.html
so if we're 0-8 at mid season...then what?? punt?
who...does...#2...work...for...?? who is our backup QB??
Kaepernick is still available.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/26/packers-keeping-modified-practice-schedule-for-lt-david-bakhtiari-during-training-camp/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/27/packers-wr-christian-watson-knows-how-to-win-in-the-red-zone-impresses-at-thursdays-practice/
Bakhtiari trusting the process
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/29/packers-lt-david-bakhtiari-feels-good-trusts-process-and-wants-another-all-pro/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 29, 2023, 12:01:31 PM
Bakhtiari trusting the process
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/29/packers-lt-david-bakhtiari-feels-good-trusts-process-and-wants-another-all-pro/
I wouldn't. They kept Rodgers way too long.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/29/observations-and-takeaways-from-packers-fourth-training-camp-practice/
Bearish report on Jordan Love from this pundit.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10084655-nfl-coach-rips-packers-jordan-love-dont-see-a-natural-smooth-instinctive-player.amp.html
Shockin', hey?
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 31, 2023, 05:54:05 PM
Bearish report on Jordan Love from this pundit.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10084655-nfl-coach-rips-packers-jordan-love-dont-see-a-natural-smooth-instinctive-player.amp.html
Who the hell is Scott Polacek?
Duh, Mrs. Polacek's son, aina?
Peyton Manning observed Love in practice
https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/07/31/green-bay-packers-quarterback-jordan-love-meets-peyton-manning-then-impresses-with-deep-passes/70501145007/
Packers Coach Bullish on Christian Watson
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/07/31/matt-lafleur-on-christian-watson-one-of-the-most-intelligent-players-ive-been-around/
Seems like Watson going to be a featured player this season for The Packers
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/01/christian-watsons-versatility-in-packers-offense-makes-him-unique/
Som commentary on Packers as potentially a 5 win team . Not a lot of confidence in Jordan Love
https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/colin-cowherd-predicts-jordan-love-packers-will-struggle-in-2023-they-got-no-breaks
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 02, 2023, 11:25:11 AM
Som commentary on Packers as potentially a 5 win team . Not a lot of confidence in Jordan Love
https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/colin-cowherd-predicts-jordan-love-packers-will-struggle-in-2023-they-got-no-breaks
Good. He said that about Rodgers in 2008
I thought Josh Meyers was a mistake. There was a much better center from Oklahoma , Creed Humphrey ,available at the time, who has become an All Pro Center for the Chiefs
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/03/packers-looking-for-more-consistency-out-of-josh-myers-in-center-competition/
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 03, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
I thought Josh Meyers was a mistake. There was a much better center from Oklahoma , Creed Humphrey ,available at the time, who has become an All Pro Center for the Chiefs
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/03/packers-looking-for-more-consistency-out-of-josh-myers-in-center-competition/
I also remember thinking Sam Okey was a mistake over MJ, Darko a mistake over Wade, and Oden over Durant.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 03, 2023, 06:08:46 PM
I also remember thinking Sam Okey was a mistake over MJ, Darko a mistake over Wade, and Oden over Durant.
Sam Bowie. Sam Okey was the kid from Cassville who played at UW then transferred to Iowa. He would have been about 8 when MJ was drafted.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 03, 2023, 07:05:05 PM
Sam Bowie. Sam Okey was the kid from Cassville who played at UW then transferred to Iowa. He would have been about 8 when MJ was drafted.
Yup you're right.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/04/packers-coach-matt-lafleur-sits-down-with-nfl-network/
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 03, 2023, 07:05:05 PM
Sam Bowie. Sam Okey was the kid from Cassville who played at UW then transferred to Iowa. He would have been about 8 when MJ was drafted.
Which makes it even more obvious that MJ should have been drafted before an 8-year old.
Quote from: forgetful on August 04, 2023, 12:32:12 PM
Which makes it even more obvious that MJ should have been drafted before an 8-year old.
Good call. Even 4.5 years away from being born I knew MJ should go ahead of 8 year old Oakey.
Packers are in a state of denial. Kickers who cant make field goals in practice rarely start to make them during the season
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/04/anders-carlsons-shaky-start-doesnt-yet-concern-patient-packers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 05, 2023, 01:16:14 PM
Packers are in a state of denial. Kickers who cant make field goals in practice rarely start to make them during the season
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/04/anders-carlsons-shaky-start-doesnt-yet-concern-patient-packers/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/06/packers-rookie-k-anders-carlson-bounces-back-during-family-night/
Putting all their hopes this season in Carlson is going to be a disaster. Mark it down. He had major accuracy issues at Auburn. Why they're letting Crosby sit unsigned is stupid, arrogant, and stubborn and will cost them for sure.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on August 06, 2023, 08:10:31 AM
Putting all their hopes this season in Carlson is going to be a disaster. Mark it down. He had major accuracy issues at Auburn. Why they're letting Crosby sit unsigned is stupid, arrogant, and stubborn and will cost them for sure.
Could be. But you can also pivot at any point.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/04/packers-wont-face-saints-rb-alvin-kamara-in-week-3-due-to-3-game-suspension/
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 06, 2023, 10:06:38 AM
Could be. But you can also pivot at any point.
I own it now. If I'm wrong, so be it and it will be good for the Packers.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on August 06, 2023, 12:26:33 PM
I own it now. If I'm wrong, so be it and it will be good for the Packers.
Oh, I was referring to the Packers. Crosby is just hanging out there and there's no harm at trying to see if the upside can hit
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 06, 2023, 12:55:06 PM
Oh, I was referring to the Packers. Crosby is just hanging out there and there's no harm at trying to see if the upside can hit
Gotcha GB W. That's a good point, it's a calculated risk. But Crosby probably won't be on the street much longer is my guess once teams are a game or two into their preseasons and realize their kickers are no good. Hard to find reliable kickers in this league.
I just think they're playing with fire a little counting on a rookie who had a highly inconsistent college career. I would stow Carlson away on practice squad and let him develop and not expect/hope he's the guy from day 1.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/06/packers-release-qb-danny-etling-from-90-man-roster/
Packers PR Machine hyping The Coach and Jordan Love
https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2023/08/07/why-the-packers-are-comfortable-with-jordan-love-as-starting-quarterback
Discuss https://twitter.com/fox11news/status/1688598603516854279?t=DZCuhDvIfprOORtOnb7nCg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/fox11news/status/1688598603516854279?t=DZCuhDvIfprOORtOnb7nCg&s=19)
Could be da Fridge, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 07, 2023, 08:23:11 PM
Could be da Fridge, hey?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/6-things-to-know-from-packers-first-unofficial-depth-chart-of-2023/
Sean Clifford looking like the future of the NFL.
Alright Gute...time to swallow your pride and get Mason on the line
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/12/rookie-kicker-anders-carlson-fails-to-answer-accuracy-questions-in-preseason-debut/
https://www.packers.com/news/game-recap-5-takeaways-from-packers-2023-preseason-victory-over-bengals
Very unfortunate for Tyler Davis
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38179329/source-packers-te-tyler-davis-tears-acl-preseason-opener?platform=amp
https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2023/08/13/aj-dillon-jordan-love-packers-praise-excited-new-era
Colin Cowherd on Jordan Love
https://www.si.com/.amp/extra-mustard/2023/08/14/packers-jordan-love-colin-cowherd-game-manager
Luke Musgrave will be in thr mix a lot this year https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/53531/jordan-love-wants-to-keep-feeding-packers-rookie-te-luke-musgrave?platform=amp
Ben Brust continues to be the total dick he always is...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/08/16/espn-radio-host-ben-brust-green-bay-packers-coach-matt-lafleur-sign-aaron-rodgers-jets-jersey/70606394007/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/08/16/espn-radio-host-ben-brust-green-bay-packers-coach-matt-lafleur-sign-aaron-rodgers-jets-jersey/70606394007/)
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/16/watch-jordan-love-hits-christian-watson-for-long-td-pass-during-practice-vs-patriots/
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 16, 2023, 10:30:39 PM
Ben Brust continues to be the total dick he always is...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/08/16/espn-radio-host-ben-brust-green-bay-packers-coach-matt-lafleur-sign-aaron-rodgers-jets-jersey/70606394007/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/08/16/espn-radio-host-ben-brust-green-bay-packers-coach-matt-lafleur-sign-aaron-rodgers-jets-jersey/70606394007/)
I blame his substandard education.
Love has looked solid in 2 preseason games.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/highlighting-3-impressive-plays-from-jordan-loves-td-drive-vs-patriots/
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 16, 2023, 10:30:39 PM
Ben Brust continues to be the total dick he always is...
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/08/16/espn-radio-host-ben-brust-green-bay-packers-coach-matt-lafleur-sign-aaron-rodgers-jets-jersey/70606394007/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2023/08/16/espn-radio-host-ben-brust-green-bay-packers-coach-matt-lafleur-sign-aaron-rodgers-jets-jersey/70606394007/)
The guy is a professional small pond troll. Starve him of oxygen. He's never going to be serious or intelligent on any topic, so unless you want to get triggered or want to see people get mad, he's got nothing to offer.
https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/53551/packers-jordan-love-definitely-ready-for-week-1-regardless-of-preseason-finale?platform=amp
Packers getting Love more reps
https://www.packers.com/news/packers-qb-jordan-love-to-play-again-in-2023-preseason-finale
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 23, 2023, 11:51:31 AM
Packers getting Love more reps
https://www.packers.com/news/packers-qb-jordan-love-to-play-again-in-2023-preseason-finale
Look, I don't care how good he might be, he needs reps with his line, his receivers and his backs to function effectively as a unit. That's what pre-season is for.
The Packers have enough concerns without a quarterback who hasn't faced game situations.
Hoping we are able to start the season a little better on offense than the last two years. Having some preseason reps with the starters will hopefully help that.
Sean Clifford to be back up quarterback
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/24/matt-lafleur-confirms-rookie-sean-clifford-will-be-packers-backup-qb/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/4-players-who-turned-into-roster-locks-for-packers-during-training-camp/
Carlson knocking in a long one
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/26/watch-packers-rookie-kicker-anders-carlson-drills-57-yard-field-goal/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/26/preseason-stats-for-packers-qb-jordan-love-in-2023/
Seems like some players at key positions are grading well in exhibition play
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-pff-grades-best-worst-players-from-preseason-finale-vs-seahawks/
The Packers were the second team on Jonathan Taylor. Kind of an odd fit. I don't think RB would be where they'd want to invest money.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 30, 2023, 10:23:02 AM
The Packers were the second team on Jonathan Taylor. Kind of an odd fit. I don't think RB would be where they'd want to invest money.
Taylor is an outstanding running back that could be a difference maker
Kurt Warner analyzing Jordan Love
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/30/kurt-warner-breaks-down-jordan-loves-preseason-tape/
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 30, 2023, 10:23:02 AM
The Packers were the second team on Jonathan Taylor. Kind of an odd fit. I don't think RB would be where they'd want to invest money.
They have extra 1st or 2nd round draft capital next year. Think they were just kicking the tires on him because of that and like Herman said, he's a difference maker.
Doesn't seem like there is a lot of smoke there...probably Irsay drumming up interest. The asking price according to reports is absurd if they thought they could get Waddle from the Dolphins.
If he leaves in FA, Colts get a 3rd or 4th in 2025. Give them a similar pick in 2024 instead
Ben Sims looks like an intriguing TE pick up for depth. Has good speed and experience as blocker.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/31/new-packers-te-ben-sims-brings-added-speed-and-blocking-experience-to-position/
Aaron Rodgers advice to Jordan Love
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/exclusive-aaron-rodgers-details-advice-to-jordan-love
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 30, 2023, 11:05:09 PM
Doesn't seem like there is a lot of smoke there...probably Irsay drumming up interest. The asking price according to reports is absurd if they thought they could get Waddle from the Dolphins.
If he leaves in FA, Colts get a 3rd or 4th in 2025. Give them a similar pick in 2024 instead
Bell Part Deux
Commentary from Rasul Douglas on Justin Fields and DJ Moore
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/05/packers-cb-rasul-douglas-talks-about-challenge-of-defending-justin-fields-and-dj-moore-in-week-1/
Seems like this is a consistent problem with The Packers
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/06/half-of-packers-wrs-dealing-with-hamstring-injuries-to-open-week-1-practice/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 06, 2023, 08:31:27 PM
Seems like this is a consistent problem with The Packers
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/06/half-of-packers-wrs-dealing-with-hamstring-injuries-to-open-week-1-practice/
It is not Packers specific. Its NFL wide, and most often impacts WRs (and Corners).
Solid to Excellent Offensive Line
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/06/packers-unofficial-depth-chart-shows-expected-starting-offensive-line-for-week-1/
Might be rough for the packers Sunday if Doubs and Watson can't go. OR the loss could be a GREAT RESULT!
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 07, 2023, 07:42:52 PM
Might be rough for the packers Sunday if Doubs and Watson can't go. OR the loss could be a GREAT RESULT!
Nice.
Packers Injury Report.Unfortunate that Watson is out.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/breaking-down-packers-final-injury-report-for-week-1-vs-bears/
Packers Bears Preview. An excellent video.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=enrHPvZvNQ8&si=Yv_LK4sNjMPxevzU
The Athletic interviewed Greg Olsen, and here's what he said when asked about the Packers:
The No. 1 question being asked by Packers fans: Is Jordan Love the guy? How would you answer that?
The simplest answer is we're going to find out very soon. I don't think anyone has had the chance to study Jordan. He's had such a limited opportunity to play meaningful games. I think anybody that pretends to know, who is not a part of the Packers organization, is just speculating. I try not to speculate, even though I know it's our job. The answer I would say is the reports coming out both from the team and the people that follow the Packers closely in the media have been very positive.
The Week 1 opener against Chicago, right or wrong, is going to be a very big indictment or a very big indication of how his career is going to go. Whether that's fair or not fair, it is the way the media and the fans are going to react. So if he has a great day, the Packers have their third Hall of Fame quarterback in a row. If he struggles a little bit, he's been a bust in the waiting. I think, unfortunately, those are the two scenarios that we have coming our way.
But if I had to put my guess and speculation — which again, I don't love doing — I think he's going to be good. The problem is the shadow of historically great that the Packers are used to for the last 25 years. That's going to be a high bar to be judged against, but that is the situation that he's coming into.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 30, 2023, 11:05:09 PM
Doesn't seem like there is a lot of smoke there...probably Irsay drumming up interest. The asking price according to reports is absurd if they thought they could get Waddle from the Dolphins.
If he leaves in FA, Colts get a 3rd or 4th in 2025. Give them a similar pick in 2024 instead
Yep. Looking to get Waddle or Watson for a RB you then still have to pay is "you are not serious people" absurdity.
Beautiful Day at Soldier. Looking for some solid Packer defense today.
Excellent first drive for Packers.
Not even remotely a late hit
Clean.
The Bears are beyond undisciplined. Inexcusable.
And their play calling hasn't changed at all under Eberfluus. Dink and dunk b-crap.
Van Ness showing some speed , excellent play by the Rookie.
Over/Under on how many games before Fields gets hurt?
Quote from: Jockey on September 10, 2023, 04:30:40 PM
Over/Under on how many games before Fields gets hurt?
Bears line is not good
The Bears are still 10 years away.
Love needs to relax a bit. Seems to be putting a lot of pressure on himself and has led to a couple loss of focus mistakes (e.g. time management at the end).
But has shown some flashes of being a high caliber QB.
Excellent 52 yard FG. Had plenty of distance and right down the middle .
Both these teams stink. Packers are showing no faith in Love at all.
Creative play design.
Imagine using Aaron Jones
Packers d-line is manhandling the Bears o-line
Packers just owning the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Manhandling the Bears.
Me no likey that
How many 15 yarders are you allowed in one game?
Obviously haven't reached the limit
Quote from: Jockey on September 10, 2023, 05:33:21 PM
How many 15 yarders are you allowed in one game?
Yeah too many dumb penalties by the packers today
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 10, 2023, 05:39:38 PM
Yeah too many dumb penalties by the packers today
Need a long drive here. Quadzilla has been a garbage can
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2023, 05:44:03 PM
Need a long drive here. Quadzilla has been a garbage can
He just looks really slow.
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2023, 05:45:46 PM
He just looks really slow.
Indeed. That screen had room for him to accelerate into a bigger play.
Great drive by Love.
Love 7-9, 129 yards on 3rd or 4th down, perfect passer rating.
Nice bounce back game for Quay from his last game ;D
Weren't the Bears favored to win this game?
Fields is a helluva running back. Maybe they can turn him into Deebo Samuels.
Packers O line getting the job done . Love has time to operate .
Wow Quay Walker . Love this kids talent .
Rogers was 6-10 his first year as the starting QB.
After today I might take the over with Love in regards to more wins than Rodgers in their first year at the helm. Before today, I would have taken the under. They need to get (Watson), and keep (Jones) their playmakers healthy. That is especially true along the O- and D-lines, which dominated today.
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2023, 06:29:41 PM
Rogers was 6-10 his first year as the starting QB.
After today I might take the over with Love in regards to more wins than Rodgers in their first year at the helm. Before today, I would have taken the under. They need to get (Watson), and keep (Jones) their playmakers healthy. That is especially true along the O- and D-lines, which dominated today.
Bears might really suck. But a division road win to start the season is a great start any way you look at it
Classy move by Fields to get better seats for Loves mom.
Delighted with todays win. Beating your arch rival on the road in a home opener is always excellent
Happy for Anders Carlson.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on September 10, 2023, 07:56:43 PM
Happy for Anders Carlson.
He was a big and very pleasant surprise. Hope he can be consistent. No question kid has an NFL leg.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 10, 2023, 06:18:21 PM
Wow Quay Walker . Love this kids talent .
Hopefully he's matured. No question he has all the skills to be really good. That was about as impressive an INT return I recall from any linebacker.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 10, 2023, 08:22:35 PM
Hopefully he's matured. No question he has all the skills to be really good. That was about as impressive an INT return I recall from any linebacker.
Sounds like he's done a lot in the offseason to help control his emotions.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 10, 2023, 08:43:27 PM
Sounds like he's done a lot in the offseason to help control his emotions.
I saw that too. I give him credit because he was accountable for his mistakes last year and made no excuses for them.
Joe Barry Carroll actually thought Dean Lowery gave GB a better chance to win last year than Wyatt or Slayton.
Quote from: Jockey on September 10, 2023, 08:51:42 PM
Joe Barry Carroll actually thought Dean Lowery gave GB a better chance to win last year than Wyatt or Slayton.
I'm no fan or apologist for Barry, but Wyatt was just a rookie. A year makes a huge difference for many. And while Lowry is limited athletically, he would always make a few plays because he's always working.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 10, 2023, 08:43:27 PM
Sounds like he's done a lot in the offseason to help control his emotions.
Ayahuasca??
Postgame Interview
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/play-6a1e6f37300102c
Hope Quay Walker is not concussed
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/10/highlight-packers-lb-quay-walker-daggers-bears-with-interception-return-td/
The Bears still suck. Just wonder how bad they suck this year or are the Packers decent?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 10, 2023, 08:56:33 PM
I'm no fan or apologist for Barry, but Wyatt was just a rookie. A year makes a huge difference for many. And while Lowry is limited athletically, he would always make a few plays because he's always working.
A very few plays. Packers run defense was among the worst every year he played.
Quote from: PointWarrior on September 10, 2023, 10:10:02 PM
The Bears still suck. Just wonder how bad they suck this year or are the Packers decent?
I think their line play will keep them in a lot of games. We will see if their skill players are consistent enough.
Quote from: Jockey on September 10, 2023, 08:51:42 PM
Joe Barry Carroll actually thought Dean Lowery gave GB a better chance to win last year than Wyatt or Slayton.
Why do you keep calling him the name of a former NBA all star who had a decent 10-year career in the league? If it's meant to be a dig, it's a pretty poor one.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/7-standouts-from-packers-38-20-win-over-bears/
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 11, 2023, 06:47:41 AM
Why do you keep calling him the name of a former NBA all star who had a decent 10-year career in the league? If it's meant to be a dig, it's a pretty poor one.
Never know what sets you off or why. Always fun to witness, though.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 10, 2023, 09:38:26 PM
Ayahuasca??
Actually he started meditating before games and practices with the help of Jaire Alexander. Pretty neat
Quay Walker in concussion protocol.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/11/packers-lb-quay-walker-suffered-concussion-vs-bears/
Honestly have high hopes for Quay. Dude has all the physical tools. If he can get his head right he's got a sky high ceiling. Granted, that's a big if. But if he does get his head right that's probably best for him off the field too.
Hope the concussion is a minor one.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/11/packers-qb-jordan-love-attacks-and-finds-success-over-the-middle-of-the-field-vs-bears/
Quote from: PointWarrior on September 10, 2023, 10:10:02 PM
The Bears still suck. Just wonder how bad they suck this year or are the Packers decent?
Will know more about the Packers after this week's game in Atlanta.
The scariest part for the Bears?
The Packers were better than Chicago with every single position group. QB, RB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, DB. Plus coaching.
ST might have been a push.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 13, 2023, 09:45:19 AM
Will know more about the Packers after this week's game in Atlanta.
Given the Packers youth, I think they'll be pretty inconsistent this year. Need the TE's to grow up fast. If one of them can become a security blanket for the QB, that would be a plus and take the burden off Aaron Jones as well. Need to get 14-15 weeks out of him
Packers strong offensive line is a great thing to have with a young quarterback. Gives him time to make the proper reads.
Defensive strength leading to good field position also helps the cause as well.
Quote from: Jockey on September 13, 2023, 11:07:21 AM
The scariest part for the Bears?
The Packers were better than Chicago with every single position group. QB, RB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, DB. Plus coaching.
ST might have been a push.
You're forgetting about AJ Dillon there
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 13, 2023, 01:27:00 PM
You're forgetting about AJ Dillon there
Dillon is nothing special. Jones is.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 13, 2023, 09:45:19 AM
Will know more about the Packers after this week's game in Atlanta.
The Panthers just lost at Atlanta, so I've seen 60 minutes of Falcons football.
I was quite unimpressed.
Ridder isn't very good, the receivers did little against a decent but hardly studly Carolina defensive backfield, and the Panthers were able to pressure Ridder. Atlanta's two backs are real good, so contain them and the offense is ordinary at best.
They didn't put much pressure on Young; he just threw some dopey rookie passes and missed some receivers, including two who were open deep for what would have been long TD plays (including a 99-yarder). Carolina backs had some big holes to run through.
As with most games, it was decided by turnovers. My team had 3 of them, gifting the Falcons 17 of their 24 points. Avoid those, and I like the Packers' chances a lot.
Quote from: Jockey on September 13, 2023, 11:07:21 AM
The scariest part for the Bears?
The Packers were better than Chicago with every single position group. QB, RB, WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, DB. Plus coaching.
ST might have been a push.
5/5 on extra points, 1/1 on field goals with it being from 52 yards, Nixon had 2 returns and averaged 27.5 yards per kickoff return and Reed had 3 punt returns and averaged 18 yards per return. The Bears averaged 21 yards per return on kickoffs and 8 yards per return on punts. Both kickers had 1 punt inside the 20, while the Bears averaged 53 yards on punts and the Packers averaged 49.8. The Packers had a good day on Special Teams.
Quote from: Jockey on September 13, 2023, 01:56:03 PM
Dillon is nothing special. Jones is.
Dillon is just bad.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 13, 2023, 04:40:44 PM
5/5 on extra points, 1/1 on field goals with it being from 52 yards, Nixon had 2 returns and averaged 27.5 yards per kickoff return and Reed had 3 punt returns and averaged 18 yards per return. The Bears averaged 21 yards per return on kickoffs and 8 yards per return on punts. Both kickers had 1 punt inside the 20, while the Bears averaged 53 yards on punts and the Packers averaged 49.8. The Packers had a good day on Special Teams.
You're not wrong. But I think over the course of the season, STs will be pretty close.
The only other positions where the Bears have a chance of being as good over the course of the season are WR and, possibly TE. But, that being sad, I would not trade a single position group on GB for its counterpart on the Bears.
And I think GB will only be a .500 type team. 9-8 or 8-9.
Quote from: Jockey on September 13, 2023, 05:36:32 PM
You're not wrong. But I think over the course of the season, STs will be pretty close.
The only other positions where the Bears have a chance of being as good over the course of the season are WR and, possibly TE. But, that being sad, I would not trade a single position group on GB for its counterpart on the Bears.
And I think GB will only be a .500 type team. 9-8 or 8-9.
A .500 type team would be an impressive showing for Love.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2023, 05:47:48 PM
A .500 type team would be an impressive showing for Love.
It would.
But my thinking is that finally we will have a solid 'D'.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2023, 05:47:48 PM
A .500 type team would be an impressive showing for Love.
No one predicted MU would have a BB season like they did last year.
So, just have to let the season unfold and maybe it will be a pleasant surprise.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 13, 2023, 08:57:34 PM
No one predicted MU would have a BB season like they did last year.
So, just have to let the season unfold and maybe it will be a pleasant surprise.
Exactly and a few surprise teams every NFL season. Much will depend how good, not good, or in between Love is.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 13, 2023, 08:57:34 PM
No one predicted MU would have a BB season like they did last year.
So, just have to let the season unfold and maybe it will be a pleasant surprise.
I have not expectations for this team. Just going to enjoy the season like every other.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2023, 05:47:48 PM
A .500 type team would be an impressive showing for Love.
Disagree. The defense is pretty good and the OL is top notch. The only real question marks are QB and WR.
I think .500 is the floor.
Rashan Gary had 7 pressures in 10 snaps against the rookie right tackle on pass plays. Two of the pressures helped cause the lost fumble and Walker's Pick 6.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 14, 2023, 05:59:42 AM
Disagree. The defense is pretty good and the OL is top notch. The only real question marks are QB and WR.
I think .500 is the floor.
It was essentially the same D and OL last year (injuries always happen, and will happen again this year), and GB finished 8-9.
Quote from: forgetful on September 14, 2023, 12:02:23 PM
It was essentially the same D and OL last year (injuries always happen, and will happen again this year), and GB finished 8-9.
QB was checked out
Quote from: forgetful on September 14, 2023, 12:02:23 PM
It was essentially the same D and OL last year (injuries always happen, and will happen again this year), and GB finished 8-9.
hopefully another year of experience will improve the defense, it should have been much better last season
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/breaking-down-packers-final-injury-report-of-week-2-vs-falcons/
Quay Walker clears concussion protocol.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/16/packers-lb-quay-walker-clears-concussion-protocol-will-play-vs-falcons/
Aaron Jones and Christian Watson are out today
Falcons secondary is talented . Good Time for young Packer receivers to step up.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/16/falcons-secondary-could-present-huge-challenge-for-packers-young-wrs/
Bahktiari out today as well
Ucked fayed, aina?
Love's work is definitely cut out for them.
Did the packers intentionally the take the delay of game so they could punt? I don't understand that at all
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 17, 2023, 12:09:09 PM
Love's work is definitely cut out for them.
Did the packers intentionally the take the delay of game so they could punt? I don't understand that at all
LT for GB just blew two plays in a row for big losses.
Lol did these announcers really think they were trying to draw the packers offside on the 1 yard line?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 17, 2023, 12:31:04 PM
Lol did these announcers really think they were trying to draw the packers offside on the 1 yard line?
Hey that half-yard FG advance could make the difference...
Bijan Robinson is very shifty.
LaFleur has been doing a great job as a playcaller keeping Love on schedule.
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 17, 2023, 01:08:12 PM
LaFleur has been doing a great job as a playcaller keeping Love on schedule.
After a rough first few minutes, he has been outstanding.
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 17, 2023, 01:08:12 PM
LaFleur has been doing a great job as a playcaller keeping Love on schedule.
Nice having a QB run the offense called and schemed for
Robinson is special.
Heckuva QB, 10 is aina?
Packers young wide receivers having an outstanding game.
Love needs to have a nice long drive now.
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 17, 2023, 02:45:08 PM
Packers young wide receivers having an outstanding game.
Love needs to have a nice long drive now.
It's where they miss Aaron. Aaron Jones
Bad drive by LaFleur. Dillon is washed
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2023, 02:56:20 PM
Bad drive by LaFleur. Dillon is washed
Pretty easy to see why they inquired about Taylor.
Need to come out of the kickoff guns blazing
Bad loss. No first downs on the last three possessions.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 17, 2023, 03:15:01 PM
Bad loss. No first downs on the last three possessions.
Need to move on from Dillon
Luckily entire division lost this week...could only do so much when your 3 best offensive players are out
Dillon ain't the guy though.
Unfortunate game. Snatched defeat from Jaws of Victory . Need to regroup against the Saints.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 17, 2023, 03:15:01 PM
Bad loss. No first downs on the last three possessions.
It's easy to blame the offense, but one again Joe Barry Carroll's defense had an utter collapse.
450 yards to to Desmond Ritter - led team? The bad offense gave the packers a 12 point lead and the defense buckled completely in tThe 4th.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 17, 2023, 03:17:26 PM
Luckily entire division lost this week...could only do so much when your 3 best offensive players are out
Dillon ain't the guy though.
Arguably 4 best. Bahktiari, Jenkins, Jones, and Watson.
Jaire is gonna have to play a helluva lot better to back up how much he talks.
I think #69 Did not want to play on Turf to protect Knee.
Quote from: Jockey on September 17, 2023, 03:25:08 PM
It's easy to blame the offense, but one again Joe Barry Carroll's defense had an utter collapse.
450 yards to to Desmond Ritter - led team? The bad offense gave the packers a 12 point lead and the defense buckled completely in tThe 4th.
I think the defense would have performed better had the offense allowed them to rest more. You simply have to at least run time off the clock.
After the Packers scored their final TD in the third quarter, they ran 10 plays for seven yards, zero first downs and ran 3:19 off the clock.
Can't just blame the defense today.
So offensive 4th quarter flops are not just a Rodgers thing apparently.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 17, 2023, 03:57:12 PM
I think the defense would have performed better had the offense allowed them to rest more. You simply have to at least run time off the clock.
After the Packers scored their final TD in the third quarter, they ran 10 plays for seven yards, zero first downs and ran 3:19 off the clock.
Can't just blame the defense today.
There were two big misses by Love. 1) He missed Doubs on a wide open crossing route. Through to the other receiver crossing, who wasn't open. 2) On the last possession, Doubs was open deep. There seemed to be miscommunication, but if the ball was thrown to the right spot, they had a TD.
But Dillon has to be able to pick up the 3rd and 1.
#10 needs experience in the art of closing out games . That will take some time.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 17, 2023, 03:57:12 PM
I think the defense would have performed better had the offense allowed them to rest more. You simply have to at least run time off the clock.
After the Packers scored their final TD in the third quarter, they ran 10 plays for seven yards, zero first downs and ran 3:19 off the clock.
Can't just blame the defense today.
I agree that the offense was terrible in the 4th. But the defense was helpless against the pass and the run.
I put the blame on the coach. Atlanta's RB, WR, TE combo is as good as any in the NFL. You have to put pressure on the QB. He isn't as good as GB let him be today.
Did they ever say why we chose to punt instead of letting the play clock expire on a 51 yard attempt and not try a 56 yard attempt?
#10 owning up. Good to see him taking responsibility versus throwing someone under the bus .
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/17/packers-qb-jordan-love-takes-blame-for-botched-qb-sneak-during-loss-to-falcons/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2023, 02:20:23 PM
Heckuva QB, 10 is aina?
Peddle his ass for a used, sweaty Bike, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 17, 2023, 08:07:28 PM
Peddle his ass for a used, sweaty Bike, hey?
More genitalia-related posting. Sorry he's played well. At least you have the crime reports
Schtick.
Quote from: Jockey on September 13, 2023, 06:30:58 PM
But my thinking is that finally we will have a solid 'D'.
I was hoping/thinking that too. Today's game suggested otherwise.
Quote from: forgetful on September 17, 2023, 08:54:33 PM
I was hoping/thinking that too. Today's game suggested otherwise.
Yeah. I was really on the mark with that prediction. :(
Elgin sprained MCL not helping The Packers Cause
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/17/packers-elgton-jenkins-injury-update-knee-mcl-falcons-week-2-2023/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 18, 2023, 08:55:54 AM
Elgin sprained MCL not helping The Packers Cause
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/17/packers-elgton-jenkins-injury-update-knee-mcl-falcons-week-2-2023/
Why you always draft linemen
Appears Jenkins got hurt by Quadzilla
https://x.com/zachheilprin/status/1703475850404876648?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Also, if Bakhtiari won't play on turf, they have a serious problem
https://x.com/jumosq/status/1703524783408001463?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Yesterday's Packers/Atlanta game is what happens when you have an inexperienced NFL quarterback playing in a "chips on the table" moment. He'll learn from his mistakes and be better next time.
That penalty on the 51 yard FG attempt may have cost Green Bay the game.
I actually feel good about Green Bay. There are mistakes that need to be fixed but this team is young, energetic and learning.
Thank God they're not the Chicago Bears -- the worst team and possibly the worst organization in the NFL.
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 18, 2023, 11:57:50 AM
Yesterday's Packers/Atlanta game is what happens when you have an inexperienced NFL quarterback playing in a "chips on the table" moment. He'll learn from his mistakes and be better next time.
That penalty on the 51 yard FG attempt may have cost Green Bay the game.
I actually feel good about Green Bay. There are mistakes that need to be fixed but this team is young, energetic and learning.
Thank God they're not the Chicago Bears -- the worst team and possibly the worst organization in the NFL.
I'm not sure I totally agree. Ridder doesn't have much more experience. There were some head scratching coaching mistakes, the delay of game on the field goal being a big one.
The big difference was the Falcons could run the ball at will and keep the chains moving. The Packers offense didn't help their defense by not getting a first down in the fourth.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2023, 10:23:17 AM
Also, if Bakhtiari won't play on turf, they have a serious problem
https://x.com/jumosq/status/1703524783408001463?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Peddle his ass. They suck anyway, hey?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2023, 10:23:17 AM
Also, if Bakhtiari won't play on turf, they have a serious problem
https://x.com/jumosq/status/1703524783408001463?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
I think he's angling for a departure.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 18, 2023, 12:23:45 PM
Peddle his ass. They suck anyway, hey?
The more you say they suck, the more confident Packers should be they're pretty good
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 18, 2023, 12:26:22 PM
I think he's angling for a departure.
Packers should jump on that chance if that's the case.
Quote from: MUfan12 on September 18, 2023, 12:54:59 PM
Packers should jump on that chance if that's the case.
I think he wants to get cut outright - not traded.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 18, 2023, 12:26:22 PM
I think he's angling for a departure.
I wish, he's due about $40M next year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 18, 2023, 01:01:27 PM
I think he wants to get cut outright - not traded.
Send to Jets in return Jets second round for 2024 in trade for #12 becomes a first rounder in 2024
Bakhtiari's $40M dead cap hit (which would be prorated down) makes him nearly untradeable.
Where does this fall on the spectrum of future NFL players not playing in meaningless bowl games or college basketball players not playing in the NIT?
Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 18, 2023, 03:17:21 PM
Bakhtiari's $40M dead cap hit (which would be prorated down) makes him nearly untradeable.
Thanks for that detail.
Dontayvion was a solid late round pick for The Packers
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/20/skys-the-limit-for-packers-rookie-wr-dontayvion-wicks/
Injury Report
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/breaking-down-packers-final-injury-report-of-week-3-vs-saints/
NFL.Com Packers Saints Preview
https://youtu.be/IGPm7iNZU5k?si=VTC0K3CZReOuIcYk
Pack without Jones, Watson, Back and Jaire today. Woof
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2023, 10:31:19 AM
Pack without Jones, Watson, Back and Jaire today. Woof
Brutal, giving Love no help. Concerned about putting all the chips on Watson. He's missed a ton of games so early in his career.
Packers might need to look at replacing their conditioning coaches. What in the absolute hell
Great 4th-down play call but the RB completely effed it up.
Campbell now out too
Maybe the bears were just really really bad
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 24, 2023, 01:43:04 PM
Maybe the bears were just really really bad
Yes. And clearly this division is bad.
Packers have room for improvement
Pack sucks major ass, hey?
Winston will always give the opposing team a chance.
Needed to kick the FG on the first possession of the 4Q instead of going on 4th-and-2. It would be 17-6 now, and plenty of time to get a TD, 2pt and FG. Instead, they need two TDs.
Why?
Even when it works, I hate the call.
Packers probably win now.
Fortunately for the Packers, Jameis Winston is still Jameis Winston.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 24, 2023, 02:23:01 PM
Pack sucks major ass, hey?
I'm enjoying watching your favorite QB perform superbly down the stretch.
Ho - Hum.
Love really stepped up when needed.
Pack probably should be 2-1, just reversing week 2 and 3's results.
A wins a win
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 24, 2023, 02:23:01 PM
Pack sucks major ass, hey?
Streak of accurate statements.continues unabated.
Skol!!
Aaron who?
Quote from: PointWarrior on September 24, 2023, 03:35:52 PM
Aaron who?
Up and down day for Jordan, but he battled and didn't lose his composure.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2023, 03:11:37 PM
This was when I knew they'd win
Carr going out was an incredible break for the Packers.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 24, 2023, 03:58:11 PM
Carr going out was an incredible break for for the Packers.
Winston was ok. Defense only gave up 10 in the first half. And the Saints first TD drive was 56 yards after the botched 4th down.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 24, 2023, 03:58:11 PM
Carr BREAKING DOWN was an incredible break for the Packers.
Fify
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2023, 03:11:37 PM
This was when I knew they'd win
Well, as Yogi famously said: It ain't over if the dentist says it's over.
Utterly amazing to beat a probable playoff team when your best offensive player is Zach Tom.
(I don't know where to rank Love yet.)
Quote from: Jockey on September 24, 2023, 05:33:36 PM
(I don't know where to rank Love yet.)
Just behind a nice mutton, lettuce, and tomato sandwich.
Jordan slinging the ball was reminiscent of Farve.
Great game Pack!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 24, 2023, 02:23:01 PM
Pack sucks major ass, hey?
that was miserable, figured a good time to go visit dad when we were down 17-0 starting the 4th qtr. get to his place and he's jumpin up and down(in his head) like the lombardi days. i'm thinkin he's on different meds and they changed his stool softener...until i saw the score on his tv!?!
he wants to watch the 4th qtr again-anyone know where to look online for that?
Wish they could have dumped Bakthari in the rodgers trade. Dude is $40M of useless cap space.
Quote from: Jockey on September 24, 2023, 05:33:36 PM
Utterly amazing to beat a probable playoff team when your best offensive player is Zach Tom.
(I don't know where to rank Love yet.)
I like Zach Tom too, but come on...
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 24, 2023, 10:34:07 AM
Brutal, giving Love no help. Concerned about putting all the chips on Watson. He's missed a ton of games so early in his career.
Watson's durability is a major concern.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 24, 2023, 08:22:19 PM
I like Zach Tom too, but come on...
What starter today is better?
Extended Highlights in case anyone missed the game
https://youtu.be/do6I3xL5jWQ?si=JuHgkkvHHSJd_gD6
Jordan Love Press Conference Post Saints Win.
https://youtu.be/ps4JIhJAG3Y?si=Kv7OdSdm2CGR56OS
Quote from: Jockey on September 24, 2023, 02:44:27 PM
Even when it works, I hate the call.
Was this after the 2 pt conversion?
Just came here to say good on LaFleur for playing the numbers, haha. Watching live, it
felt like a dubious choice, which makes it all the more impressive he just listened to the math.
I completely understand that the first 50 mins or so of yesterday's game left a lot to be desired, but the more Packers I watch in real time, the more I like LaFleur as a coach independent of Rodgers.
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 25, 2023, 08:22:50 AM
Was this after the 2 pt conversion?
Just came here to say good on LaFleur for playing the numbers, haha. Watching live, it felt like a dubious choice, which makes it all the more impressive he just listened to the math.
I completely understand that the first 50 mins or so of yesterday's game left a lot to be desired, but the more Packers I watch in real time, the more I like LaFleur as a coach independent of Rodgers.
Article on the analytics involved with going for two.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28100383/going-2-8-points-why-nfl-teams-keep-doing-why-analytics-backs-up
My thoughts about the Packers after three games:
**Love is clearly "good." Hopefully he can evolve with more experience and getting his top receiver back.
**Without Watson, the receiving corps isn't great. Reed looks like he has potential and Doubs is decent, but the rest of them are pretty meh.
**Aaron Jones is special. The rest of the running backs are replacement level.
**Still not all that excited about the defense. But Rashan Gary is going to get paid. He has been incredible all season.
And so it is decreed, aina?
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 25, 2023, 08:22:50 AM
Was this after the 2 pt conversion?
Just came here to say good on LaFleur for playing the numbers, haha. Watching live, it felt like a dubious choice, which makes it all the more impressive he just listened to the math.
I completely understand that the first 50 mins or so of yesterday's game left a lot to be desired, but the more Packers I watch in real time, the more I like LaFleur as a coach independent of Rodgers.
Yes.
I understand that the odds favor it. My issue is doing it with a young, inexperienced, QB.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 25, 2023, 08:54:17 AM
Article on the analytics involved with going for two.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28100383/going-2-8-points-why-nfl-teams-keep-doing-why-analytics-backs-up
My thoughts about the Packers after three games:
**Love is clearly "good." Hopefully he can evolve with more experience and getting his top receiver back.
**Without Watson, the receiving corps isn't great. Reed looks like he has potential and Doubs is decent, but the rest of them are pretty meh.
**Aaron Jones is special. The rest of the running backs are replacement level.
**Still not all that excited about the defense. But Rashan Gary is going to get paid. He has been incredible all season.
Love needs to improve accuracy. Musgrave is going to be the Packers best TE since Finley. If those two can work on timing, he'll be a weapon by the end of the season
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2023, 09:23:51 AM
Love needs to improve accuracy. Musgrave is going to be the Packers best TE since Finley. If those two can work on timing, he'll be a weapon by the end of the season
Not saying he doesn't need to work on accuracy, which he definitely does. However, I don't think all the errant throws to Musgrave are accuracy issues. I think some of it is they are reading the defense a little differently and Love is throwing it where he expects Musgrave to be.
Kind of similar to the 4th down throw to Taylor.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2023, 09:23:51 AM
Love needs to improve accuracy. Musgrave is going to be the Packers best TE since Finley. If those two can work on timing, he'll be a weapon by the end of the season
Agreed on Love, but also agree with Sultan that he's good. His pocket presence looks great - he goes through his progressions and has good sense when to take off. His footwork seems good. With Lattimore on Doubs much of the day, Musgrave was the only player able to create any meaningful mismatches yesterday - so I imagine that chemistry will evolve more and more as the season goes on.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 25, 2023, 09:26:55 AM
Not saying he doesn't need to work on accuracy, which he definitely does. However, I don't think all the errant throws to Musgrave are accuracy issues. I think some of it is they are reading the defense a little differently and Love is throwing it where he expects Musgrave to be.
Yeah the big miss to Musgrave looked like Love was expecting him to turn upfield - and he didn't. Not sure whose "fault" that is.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 25, 2023, 09:36:50 AM
Yeah the big miss to Musgrave looked like Love was expecting him to turn upfield - and he didn't. Not sure whose "fault" that is.
Timing and experience issue. Need game reps between the two.
He's missing some throws he ought to make. He's making great throws too. He's making mostly good decisions and reads. Only one INT. Showed guts in the 4th quarter against NO after fading against ATL. Missing weapons and still making things happen. I'm certainly not going to crown him, nor am I going to excuse the misses. But I think if you're being honest and not either a fanboy or a GB hater, the assessment of Love after 3 weeks is that he looks like he could be pretty good and seems unlikely to be terrible.
I think he grows into better chemistry with his skill position players, calms down/slows down and makes some of the throws he's missed so far and ends up being somewhere in the "pretty good" tier of quarterbacks. We'll see.
He never gets that panic look that guys like Fields and Zach Wilson get in the pocket.
My thought before the season was that his ceiling was somewhere in the Ryan Tannyhill area. I'm still there, but I see the possibility that if he improves his accuracy, he could surpass that.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 25, 2023, 09:05:21 AM
And so it is decreed, aina?
Much better to decree that he is garbage and his azz needs to be traded for a box of Cheerios.
Nah, a used, sweaty Bike, hey?
Quote from: MU82 on September 25, 2023, 03:43:13 PM
Much better to decree that he is garbage and his azz needs to be traded for a box of Cheerios.
I put some cash on Love pro bowl after reading Doc's posts. Feeling good about it
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/packers-teammates-discuss-jordan-loves-performance-in-comeback-win-over-saints/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2023, 05:38:36 PM
I put some cash on Love pro bowl after reading Doc's posts. Feeling good about it
We'd really have been bazillionaires if we had bet on the Bucks to win the 2021 NBA title after Doc started saying they should trade Giannis' azz and fire everybody.
Thursday night game versus Lions
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/26/packers-struggling-run-game-faces-very-disruptive-lions-run-defense/
Sounds like Jones will play and decent shot for Watson
Good news for Packers Offense
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/28/packers-aaron-jones-christian-watson-both-expected-to-play-vs-lions/
Will GB go the entire quarter without running the ball?
Quote from: Jockey on September 28, 2023, 07:39:19 PM
Will GB go the entire quarter without running the ball?
After that first series, Packers defense has regressed badly
8 first round picks on that defense, huh?
Shades of Randy Moss dancing all over Lambeau on a Monday night in 1998
This is a typical Joe Barry Carroll defense. He was terrible before GB and he's been beyond terrible in GB.
An earlier bedtime isn't necessarily the worst thing in the world.
Quote from: Jockey on September 28, 2023, 07:55:12 PM
This is a typical Joe Barry Carroll defense. He was terrible before GB and he's been beyond terrible in GB.
Seriously not sure what the game plan is on either side of the ball. Mismatch between staffs thus far
Pretty sure the Lions will hang 70+ on MLF's ass, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2023, 07:57:39 PM
Pretty sure the Lions will hang 70+ on MLF's ass, hey?
70? Might be 80
Aaron Jones hasn't touched the ball once.
Things are not going particularly well for the team in Green Bay.
The corpse of Bobby Layne could have gotten into end zone on that play
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2023, 08:04:17 PM
The corpse of Bobby Layne could have gotten into end zone on that play
Both of his touchdowns would've been untouched had Montgomery not run right into his lineman.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 28, 2023, 08:06:15 PM
Both of his touchdowns would've been untouched had Montgomery not run right into his lineman.
Terrible gap control and just manhandled
Jones touched it! Happy now, hey?
Imagine how bad you must be if you are the Chicago Bears.
Horrible blocking, no separation for receivers, and Love's been bad.
But at least the GB defense sucks, too.
Plus, the Lions have some nice talent.
Another terrible play calling sequence. Option play? And that was flat out bad decision by Love to try getting that to Watson. Nothing there
There's nothing dumber than watch 5 dudes try to pick a free football off the ground.
Dumb chits nearly gave the ball away on a punt that never should have been fielded, hey?
FIRST DOWN!
If Mahomes made that play to avoid the safety it'd be the greatest play of all time.
What an ass kicking, lol
The balance of power in the NFC North has officially shifted, hey?
Yeah. I'd be good with Gutes never getting to draft another player for the Packers.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2023, 08:21:55 PM
The balance of power in the NFC North has officially shifted, hey?
Tower just shuddered in fear
Luckily the crowd is all lions fans so Gute won't know how they feel
.8 yards/play ain't gonna get it, hey?
Why would the Lions pass the ball again tonight?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2023, 08:29:56 PM
.8 yards/play ain't gonna get it, hey?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197310280det.htm
Just ta rub da Pack's faces in dung, hey?
Probably one of the most pathetic halves in packers history.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 28, 2023, 08:38:50 PM
Probably one of the most pathetic halves in packers history.
Honestly, trying a 70-yard fg was a better option. No way the line could protect for a Hail Mary
O line is embarrassing.
Quote from: MU82 on September 28, 2023, 08:10:34 PM
Horrible blocking, no separation for receivers, and Love's been bad.
But at least the GB defense sucks, too.
Plus, the Lions have some nice talent.
Can't really judge him. No one is remotely open, and he is being hit before he can even finish a 3-step drop right now.
Can't win games when you lose in the trenches, and the packers are being manhandled in the trenches right now.
Embarrassing. Losing in every component of the game, offense, defense, special teams, coaching, the Packers might be even have a worse ball boy, and fans in this one.
Quote from: forgetful on September 28, 2023, 08:45:46 PM
Can't really judge him. No one is remotely open, and he is being hit before he can even finish a 3-step drop right now.
Can't win games when you lose in the trenches, and the packers are being manhandled in the trenches right now.
Embarrassing. Losing in every component of the game, offense, defense, special teams, coaching, the Packers might be even have a worse ball boy, and fans in this one.
They haven't screwed up a snap yet
20 yds in the half. Shockin' the score izant worse, hey?
Whatever happened to Eric Stokes?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 28, 2023, 08:50:52 PM
Whatever happened to Eric Stokes?
Still out injured from last November. Eligible to be back next week
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2023, 08:48:43 PM
They haven't screwed up a snap yet
There is always the 2nd half for that.
Seriously, some individuals on the coaching staff need to be fired.
Also, let's stop with the mystique of Lambeau nonsense. That ship sailed A LONG time ago
I'd be ok with never seeing Dillon run the football again for the Packers. It is weird how much slower and less powerful he looks this year.
Huh
If only there was some type of noise mechanism the NFL could find and utilize when a clock hits zero. Maybe something crazy like a horn or buzzer. Someday technology will get there...someday.
And Quay Walker, Quay Walkers
Drive home safely, y'all.
Packers QB and WRs need more reps together. Too many key times where they are not on the same page. It'll come with time.
Quote from: forgetful on September 28, 2023, 08:45:46 PM
Can't really judge him. No one is remotely open, and he is being hit before he can even finish a 3-step drop right now.
Can't win games when you lose in the trenches, and the packers are being manhandled in the trenches right now.
Embarrassing. Losing in every component of the game, offense, defense, special teams, coaching, the Packers might be even have a worse ball boy, and fans in this one.
4-5 years to judge Aina?
Packers have room for improvement.
Got some time before next game to figure things out
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2023, 09:07:20 PM
Also, let's stop with the mystique of Lambeau nonsense. That ship sailed A LONG time ago
Who's talking about it? Haven't heard that in years literally.
Quote from: forgetful on September 28, 2023, 10:07:17 PM
Packers QB and WRs need more reps together. Too many key times where they are not on the same page. It'll come with time.
Doubs bailing on that route that turned into an easy pick for Detroit was one of the dumbest things I've seen. Herbstreit made a lame ass excuse about that's what happens when your qb is a threat to run. Love wasn't even close to taking off on that play.
LaFleur was really bad tonight. I don't know why they bothered making Jones or Watson active if they were barely going to be involved in the offense. No help for a banged up offensive line that was getting killed. He didn't bother any max protections, running backs to chip rushers, tight ends staying in to help in pass pro. It was just abysmal and a lot of it on LaFleur. Campbell made him look bad and embarrassed him.
I feel like LaFleur is so hot and cold. So many times we come out flat and just look out coaches. Then other times he's super innovative. It would be nice if he'd cut his losses on DC's sooner.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 28, 2023, 10:59:24 PM
I feel like LaFleur is so hot and cold. So many times we come out flat and just look out coaches. Then other times he's super innovative. It would be nice if he'd cut his losses on DC's sooner.
JBC needs to go...
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 28, 2023, 08:02:45 PM
Aaron Jones hasn't touched the ball once.
The crux of the problem. He sets the table for the entire offense. Packers can't pay a RB to be the focal point of the offense and then not use him.
Sure, he's been hurt, but he looked fine out there for the snaps he played.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 28, 2023, 10:52:56 PM
LaFleur was really bad tonight. I don't know why they bothered making Jones or Watson active if they were barely going to be involved in the offense. No help for a banged up offensive line that was getting killed. He didn't bother any max protections, running backs to chip rushers, tight ends staying in to help in pass pro. It was just abysmal and a lot of it on LaFleur. Campbell made him look bad and embarrassed him.
Yep
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 28, 2023, 10:59:24 PM
I feel like LaFleur is so hot and cold. So many times we come out flat and just look out coaches. Then other times he's super innovative. It would be nice if he'd cut his losses on DC's sooner.
Yep
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 28, 2023, 10:30:20 PM
Who's talking about it? Haven't heard that in years literally.
Announcers
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2023, 09:07:20 PM
Also, let's stop with the mystique of Lambeau nonsense. That ship sailed A LONG time ago
Michael Vick ended that.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 29, 2023, 07:05:01 AM
Michael Vick ended that.
Yup. Playoff losses in '07, '11, '13, '20 and '21 on top of that.
This is all a MLF problem. He's not up to the task. This is supposed to be an offense that minimizes the QB and instead we're calling plays like it's 12 back there.
It's coaching.
It's coaching you say?
https://x.com/andyhermannfl/status/1707635068296925599?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Woof
https://x.com/byryanwood/status/1707613488456118576?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2023, 07:32:09 AM
Woof
https://x.com/byryanwood/status/1707613488456118576?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
I'm not saying coaching isn't a problem, but stuff like that happens every game.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2023, 07:32:09 AM
Woof
https://x.com/byryanwood/status/1707613488456118576?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
What I like about Rasul, is that he is willing to tell that story.
LeFleur isn't the best coach in the NFL, but he's far from the worst.
The problem is you've spent 8 first round picks on the defense, 5 of them on the front 7, and it nets you a bottom 5 run defense every single year.
And not really addressing LT when it's been clear for 2 years that Bakh is done is a major problem.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 29, 2023, 09:18:48 AM
LeFleur isn't the best coach in the NFL, but he's far from the worst.
The problem is you've spent 8 first round picks on the defense, 5 of them on the front 7, and it nets you a bottom 5 run defense every single year.
And not really addressing LT when it's been clear for 2 years that Bakh is done is a major problem.
Bingo on the LT. Going into the season expecting 17 games out of him was a poor choice
The Lions are a well coached, disciplined team.
The Packers are well, coached by a flower.
https://x.com/mattschneidman/status/1707601394226590061?s=46&t=5gmJcY2pC14Wd2RTie2Wtw (https://x.com/mattschneidman/status/1707601394226590061?s=46&t=5gmJcY2pC14Wd2RTie2Wtw)
Tough talk from the little flower again but nothing ever changes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2023, 09:26:46 AM
Bingo on the LT. Going into the season expecting 17 games out of him was a poor choice
I assume they expected more than 1? Crazy....
Quote from: PointWarrior on September 29, 2023, 01:08:37 PM
I assume they expected more than 1? Crazy....
They probably shouldn't have expected more than 1. His knee is toast. This isn't a situation where he tore the ACL, fully recovered, then broke his leg or had some other unrelated injury. He's never going to be reliable, and it's possibly the most important position in football. To not even address that is insane.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 29, 2023, 12:15:56 PM
The Lions are a well coached, disciplined team.
The Packers are well, coached by a flower.
What?
Complete lack of toughness on defense. They can't man up and stop the run.
For being a star, Kenny Clark gets pushed all over the field by the opposing team's OL.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 29, 2023, 03:54:55 PM
Lafleur > La fleur > french for the flower
https://youtu.be/ikVthmetNH8?si=p1u8ynVT7xE7Cf4m
I was invited to the Packers Raiders game , kind of rethinking if I should make the treck out to Vegas .
Flying on the Packers jet with the Gary family would be a fun experience. You should take them up on it.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 29, 2023, 06:14:17 PM
Flying on the Packers jet with the Gary family would be a fun experience. You should take them up on it.
I do it for all road games. It gets old after awhile, tbh
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2023, 04:28:25 PM
https://youtu.be/ikVthmetNH8?si=p1u8ynVT7xE7Cf4m
Second City TV, the McKenzie Brothers. Priceless.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 29, 2023, 02:03:54 PM
They probably shouldn't have expected more than 1. His knee is toast. This isn't a situation where he tore the ACL, fully recovered, then broke his leg or had some other unrelated injury. He's never going to be reliable, and it's possibly the most important position in football. To not even address that is insane.
Bakhtiari probably needs to join Rodgers in the dolphin humping audio therapy sessions...
New kicker has been solid
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/03/packers-rookie-k-anders-carlson-executing-when-it-matters-most/
Anyone on Scoop going to The Packers game?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38585985/packers-bakhtiari-needs-another-knee-surgery-done-season
Jenkins back should help Packer Cause
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/07/packers-ol-elgton-jenkins-to-return-vs-raiders-after-missing-only-2-games/
No Aaron Jones tonight so another fun day of watching AJ Dillon run into brick walls, assuming he doesn't trip over himself.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 09, 2023, 02:46:54 PM
No Aaron Jones tonight so another fun day of watching AJ Dillon run into brick walls, assuming he doesn't trip over himself.
Peddle his azz
At the game . Over half the place Packer fans
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 09, 2023, 06:08:09 PM
At the game . Over half the place Packer fans
So about as many as the packers last home game
Any Taylor Swift sightin', hey?
Maybe U2 or Adele.
Packers need a WR bad. And a defense
Zach Tom with a solid Brad Davison impression.
Packers defensive coverage schemes...are something
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 09, 2023, 06:16:31 PM
So about as many as the packers last home game
Unbelievably loud when Packers do something . This is like a Packer home game . Raiders QB just got sacked and place exploded
This offensive scheme is such garbage
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 09, 2023, 07:54:29 PM
This offensive scheme is such garbage
It is. Obvious Musgrave is in the dog house
So many fond memories of the Packers defense getting gashed while Garappolo does nothing in particular
That was Love's worst throw of his career. Just awful. And sounds like plenty of Raiders fans there
That was the first really brutal read and throw by Love that I've seen. No idea what he thought would happen throwing into triple coverage blanketed over the receiver there.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 09, 2023, 08:17:16 PM
That was the first really brutal read and throw by Love that I've seen. No idea what he thought would happen throwing into triple coverage blanketed over the receiver there.
Play calling has been atrocious. Too cute because they can't control the LOS
There is zero creativity on offense or defense right now.
We are letting them complete easy wide open throws, and we can't get a guy open, nonetheless provide protection for more than 2 seconds.
At some point, with all the talent GB has, it has to be a coaching issue.
I really don't think there's a lot of talent though. Who is their best player?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 09, 2023, 08:23:36 PM
I really don't think there's a lot of talent though. Who is their best player?
On defense there better be, otherwise they have done a crap job drafting.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 09, 2023, 08:23:36 PM
I really don't think there's a lot of talent though. Who is their best player?
I don't see any on offense. They just had two guys standing next to each other at the LOS along the sideline on that drop back.
Quote from: forgetful on October 09, 2023, 08:24:45 PM
On defense there better be, otherwise they have done a crap job drafting.
I think they have done just that. Seriously is their best player Gary? Jones?
Wow does this team suck. And Love shows zero. Tank and get the pick for a QB. They might not have to actually worry about tanking, they are bad.
Or..... it is the youngest team in the league and is in unofficial rebuild mode.
Bad all around. Clearly a team built around Aaron Jones doing a lot of different things
Quote from: tower912 on October 09, 2023, 08:28:05 PM
Or..... it is the youngest team in the league and is in unofficial rebuild mode.
A bunch of young guys who haven't shown anything promise of making that next step.
lol MLF with a McCarthy-esque timeout
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 09, 2023, 08:26:19 PM
I think they have done just that. Seriously is their best player Gary? Jones?
Honestly, I don't know. But watching this team play is pretty disgusting right now.
Something has to change.
Daniel Carlson bails out MLF
In the NFL, it seems like the system is very important. Players like Purdy, and Puca Nacua, aren't better than the players on GB, but the coaches scheme things properly for the guys they have.
The GB offense and defense just seems so old-fashioned and predictable.
They suck
Quote from: forgetful on October 09, 2023, 08:38:18 PM
In the NFL, it seems like the system is very important. Players like Purdy, and Puca Nacua, aren't better than the players on GB, but the coaches scheme things properly for the guys they have.
The GB offense and defense just seems so old-fashioned and predictable.
Purdy is surrounded by Pro Bowl talent up and down that offense. There's not much of a comparison when it comes to proven performance. The Packers are completely reliant on guys developing that A) aren't developing B) need good coaching or veteran mentorship, and C) are not getting either of B and thus not doing much of A.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 09, 2023, 08:23:36 PM
I really don't think there's a lot of talent though. Who is their best player?
Carlson, aina?
Dillon told us off
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2023, 09:02:21 PM
Dillon told us off
Yeah that's the best he's looked all year.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2023, 09:02:21 PM
Dillon told us off
I've been harsh on him, and he has sucked. But in this game it is clear he does better when he can get a full head of steam (Love under center) before getting the ball.
High school offense, aina?
#9 probably concussed on dat tackle, aina?
Josh McDaniels is a bad football coach
Quote from: forgetful on October 09, 2023, 09:04:09 PM
I've been harsh on him, and he has sucked. But in this game it is clear he does better when he can get a full head of steam (Love under center) before getting the ball.
And then two shotgun handoffs for no gain
Gutey sucks. Even if he killed it with his drafting and roster construction, you can't trade up to get a QB that led the NCAA in INTs while playing in a mid (generously) major conference, while also having a top 5 QB of all time on the roster, coming off of a 13-3 season. You just punted your first round pick. It was nothing like Rodgers, who many thought was the number 1 pick just falling into your lap in the mid 20s. And it's not like this is just a first year rookie who is struggling with the speed of the game. It's a 4th year player whose accuracy is absolutely horrible.
Gutey pays and uses draft capital on (and tries to trade for) RBs and ILBs while ignoring the OL and, up until last year, pass catchers. He's in over his head and until he's not the GM nothing else will matter.
Wow, quite da bitch slap, aina?
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 09, 2023, 09:13:57 PM
Take it back
They handed it off out of the shotgun those two plays
Preston Smith on Davante Adams is a choice
Need to out tank the Bears, imo
Terrible decision to kick the FG there.
McDaniels just wants to go back to NE, man
At least we have the better Carlson
Gain a yard, win the game.
Josh McDaniels sucks
Matt LaFleur sucks
Snatched defeat from the Jaws of Victory
That was initially a good idea, but a poorly thrown ball.
Everyone in this organization sucks
They suck
Every one of Love's Interceptions were just panic throws and bad reads.
Offensive line can't be that bad, but an NFL QB can't make those kind of reads and panic throws.
Love was really bad tonight.
Packers suck. Love sucks. JBC sucks. little Flower sucks. You lost to one of the crappiest teams in the league. Congrats.
Watson didn't do Love any favors on the last 2 picks.
Growing pains. Pack were 6-10 in Rodgers' first year.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 09, 2023, 10:16:16 PM
Watson didn't do Love any favors on the last 2 picks.
Growing pains. Pack were 6-10 in Rodgers' first year.
Those were bad throws
Love has had a habit of letting perfect be the enemy of the good. Need to throw that as soon as Watson had him beat
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 09, 2023, 10:16:16 PM
Watson didn't do Love any favors on the last 2 picks.
Growing pains. Pack were 6-10 in Rodgers' first year.
I'm not sure what you wanted Watson to do on those? He was well covered on the first int and 2nd int was a late and way under thrown ball.
A good quarterback would have lit up the Raiders tonight with that patchwork secondary. They had one big pass play all night and Raiders tripled their int total they had coming in. Awful and no excuse.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 09, 2023, 10:16:16 PM
Watson didn't do Love any favors on the last 2 picks.
Growing pains. Pack were 6-10 in Rodgers' first year.
I agree with you, especially on the last one. He slows down and his momentum is behind him, but he has 5-6 inches on Robertson, and he honestly should have fought for the ball to draw PI if nothing else. Watson does nothing.
That said, that ball has to be thrown to the back of the end zone. Can't under throw that especially on 3rd down.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 09, 2023, 10:21:54 PM
A good quarterback would have lit up the Raiders tonight with that patchwork secondary. They had one big pass play all night and Raiders tripled their int total they had coming in. Awful and no excuse.
Agree. Start Clifford
Love sucks. But Gutey has done nothing to help him. Letting the talent drip for the last few years and ignoring the offensive line. A combination of Love staring, a crappy offensive line, and young pass catchers was not a great plan.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 09, 2023, 10:25:58 PM
Agree. Start Clifford
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Packers fans very forgiving of their team.
When I was walking back in the crowds to the hotel , many Packers Fans were expressing sentiment that tonights loss was a function of growing pains and better days are ahead.
The coaching staff and players have room for improvement
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2023, 10:18:13 PM
Those were bad throws
I agree. The INT's are still on Love. Just looked like Watson could have come back to the ball more to at least try and break up the pass. He seemed to let the ball try to get to him.
Even with a ridiculously soft schedule, the Packers will be lucky to win 3 more games this year.
Welp. Kiss of death for the near future
https://x.com/patmcafeeshow/status/1711796763554685199?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2023, 01:39:43 PM
Welp. Kiss of death for the near future
https://x.com/patmcafeeshow/status/1711796763554685199?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
His "Mr. Pfizer" thing with Kelce is pretty wild.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 10, 2023, 02:23:09 PM
His "Mr. Pfizer" thing with Kelce is pretty wild.
Kelce's gotta be Public Enemy #1 - spokesperson for science, took a knee to support civil rights, spooning with Taylor Swift.
Also winner of multiple Super Bowls.
Think about this for a moment.
Green Bay has a new quarterback, new wide receivers, porous (except for last night) defense and a coaching staff that's adapting to the new reality.
Love made stupid mistakes. But for heaven sakes, if Brett Favre was written off when he made stupid mistakes (of which there were P-L-E-N-T-Y!!!!), where would the Packers have gone?
Love is learning. He doesn't have Donald Driver or Greg Jennings to throw too, yet. So give him a chance!
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 10, 2023, 02:56:22 PM
Think about this for a moment.
Green Bay has a new quarterback, new wide receivers, porous (except for last night) defense and a coaching staff that's adapting to the new reality.
Love made stupid mistakes. But for heaven sakes, if Brett Favre was written off when he made stupid mistakes (of which there were P-L-E-N-T-Y!!!!), where would the Packers have gone?
Love is learning. He doesn't have Donald Driver or Greg Jennings to throw too, yet. So give him a chance!
I don't think this is a bad post at all. Favre caught fire about halfway through his first season as a starter. Hopefully Love will learn and adjust.
Favre also had Sterling Sharpe to throw to - a sure hire HoFer had he didn't have the neck issue. And he threw to him a lot to bail him out when he didn't fully understand what the defense was showing. Love certainly doesn't have that.
Flashed the graphic early that the Packers are the youngest team in the league. Packer fans haven't been in rebuild mode for a long, long time.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 10, 2023, 03:03:56 PM
I don't think this is a bad post at all. Favre caught fire about halfway through his first season as a starter. Hopefully Love will learn and adjust.
Favre also had Sterling Sharpe to throw to - a sure hire HoFer had he didn't have the neck issue. And he threw to him a lot to bail him out when he didn't fully understand what the defense was showing. Love certainly doesn't have that.
I don't disagree per se, but it's a different era of QB evolution, fair or not
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2023, 03:13:01 PM
I don't disagree per se, but it's a different era of QB evolution, fair or not
Don't disagree. And of course Favre meeting success after initial failure is very much not the norm in the history of the NFL.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 10, 2023, 03:15:36 PM
Don't disagree. And of course Favre meeting success after initial failure is very much not the norm in the history of the NFL.
And that failure was relative.
Packers had a losing record what, 7 of 8 years before Holmgren and Favre arrived in 92? Even if Favre made a lot of mistakes and struggled at times, that was still not just an above .500 team each year, it was markedly better than what the Packers had been doing.
QB era or not, the leash Love or Mac Jones is gonna get is gonna be much shorter than someone like early Josh Allen or Trevor Lawrence, due to recent organizational expectations, IMO.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 10, 2023, 04:17:13 PM
And that failure was relative.
Packers had a losing record what, 7 of 8 years before Holmgren and Favre arrived in 92? Even if Favre made a lot of mistakes and struggled at times, that was still not just an above .500 team each year, it was markedly better than what the Packers had been doing.
QB era or not, the leash Love or Mac Jones is gonna get is gonna be much shorter than someone like early Josh Allen or Trevor Lawrence, due to recent organizational expectations, IMO.
Organizational expectations and Love is in his 4th year.
I think Love is showing promise. Too early to make any meaningful judgments.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 10, 2023, 04:17:13 PM
And that failure was relative.
Packers had a losing record what, 7 of 8 years before Holmgren and Favre arrived in 92? Even if Favre made a lot of mistakes and struggled at times, that was still not just an above .500 team each year, it was markedly better than what the Packers had been doing.
QB era or not, the leash Love or Mac Jones is gonna get is gonna be much shorter than someone like early Josh Allen or Trevor Lawrence, due to recent organizational expectations, IMO.
The questions about Favre actually came more in 1993, his second season.
In '92, the Packers won 6 straight in Nov./Dec. and finished with a 9-7 record. A significant improvement over the '91 team that went 4-12 and their play and Favre's play was a bit of a surprise.
In '93, expectations were higher, especially after signing Reggie White. However, Favre's play declined. He lead the league in inceptions. His completion percentage and QB rating fell as well. However, the team still went 9-7 and made the playoffs. The GB was improving rapidly, but there were real questions on whether Favre was the right guy at QB. However, Holmgren struck with Favre.
Looking back at it, the playoff win in Detroit was a huge moment for him. The win cemented his status as the Packers QB. From there, Favre's career took off.
Quote from: RJax55 on October 10, 2023, 04:44:02 PM
The questions about Favre actually came more in 1993, his second season.
In '92, the Packers won 6 straight in Nov./Dec. and finished with a 9-7 record. A significant improvement over the '91 team that went 4-12 and their play and Favre's play was a bit of a surprise.
In '93, expectations were higher, especially after signing Reggie White. However, Favre's play declined. He lead the league in inceptions. His completion percentage and QB rating fell as well. However, the team still went 9-7 and made the playoffs. The GB was improving rapidly, but there were real questions on whether Favre was the right guy at QB. However, Holmgren struck with Favre.
Looking back at it, the playoff win in Detroit was a huge moment for him. The win cemented his status as the Packers QB. From there, Favre's career took off.
Kind of. The turning point for him was the Thursday night loss in '94 at Minnesota. He got hurt in that game and had a terrible interception. The story goes, Holmgren wanted to bench him and go with Brunell. Up to that point in the season, he had 9 tds, 7 picks and one game with a QB rating over 90. He was bad. That's through 7 games
After that, 24 tds and 7 picks and only one game with a QB rating under 90, not counting the Monday night rain and wind disaster in Chicago. So, a completely different player the final 8 games. The difference was stark.
This is an article that references the Holmgren story
https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1997/01/27/warmed-up-after-getting-off-to-a-chilly-start-packers-coach-mike-holmgren-and-quarterback-brett-favre-have-found-their-comfort-zone
Edit: lots of pieces of information about Holmgren and the staff discussing the idea of benching him and Holmgren sticking with him
Question for Packer fans: would you trade Love for Justin Fields?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2023, 04:53:38 PM
Kind of. The turning point for him was the Thursday night loss in '94 at Minnesota. He got hurt in that game and had a terrible interception. The story goes, Holmgren wanted to bench him and go with Brunell. Up to that point in the season, he had 9 tds, 7 picks and one game with a QB rating over 90. He was bad. That's through 7 games
After that, 24 tds and 7 picks and only one game with a QB rating under 90, not counting the Monday night rain and wind disaster in Chicago. So, a completely different player the final 8 games. The difference was stark.
This is an article that references the Holmgren story
https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1997/01/27/warmed-up-after-getting-off-to-a-chilly-start-packers-coach-mike-holmgren-and-quarterback-brett-favre-have-found-their-comfort-zone
Edit: lots of pieces of information about Holmgren and the staff discussing the idea of benching him and Holmgren sticking with him
Thanks for the additional context. I knew Holmgren had serious discussions on benching Favre, but I thought it was in 93, not 94.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2023, 05:03:27 PM
Question for Packer fans: would you trade Love for Justin Fields?
Is maybe an acceptable answer? I'm not convinced Fields gets a best chance for success in Green Bay at the moment given the line and youth.
I'd like to see Love have a DJ Moore.
If Love isn't the guy, I'd like to see a new coach with a draftee QB to develop, whether that's a Caleb Williams or a Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy-type
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2023, 04:53:38 PM
Kind of. The turning point for him was the Thursday night loss in '94 at Minnesota. He got hurt in that game and had a terrible interception. The story goes, Holmgren wanted to bench him and go with Brunell. Up to that point in the season, he had 9 tds, 7 picks and one game with a QB rating over 90. He was bad. That's through 7 games
After that, 24 tds and 7 picks and only one game with a QB rating under 90, not counting the Monday night rain and wind disaster in Chicago. So, a completely different player the final 8 games. The difference was stark.
This is an article that references the Holmgren story
https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1997/01/27/warmed-up-after-getting-off-to-a-chilly-start-packers-coach-mike-holmgren-and-quarterback-brett-favre-have-found-their-comfort-zone
Edit: lots of pieces of information about Holmgren and the staff discussing the idea of benching him and Holmgren sticking with him
No social media. Easy decision for the coach.
Not really, but it was a different time.
Quote from: MU82 on October 10, 2023, 06:15:16 PM
No social media. Easy decision for the coach.
Not really, but it was a different time.
Though the Packers lost that game, this was a cool play
https://youtu.be/RNfvoGI9DQ0?si=_0Y_IPLIuN6DmLKM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 10, 2023, 06:23:11 PM
Though the Packers lost that game, this was a cool play
https://youtu.be/RNfvoGI9DQ0?si=_0Y_IPLIuN6DmLKM
Having a WR block Reggie White is nearly as bad as having a LB cover Davante Adams
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2023, 05:03:27 PM
Question for Packer fans: would you trade Love for Justin Fields?
If I can get Maye or Williams in the Draft, yes. Then I have an elite RB with a promising QB.
If I need to use either as a QB, no.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 10, 2023, 07:13:17 PM
If I can get Maye or Williams in the Draft, yes. Then I have an elite RB with a promising QB.
If I need to use either as a QB, no.
You think Fields is an elite RB? What leads you to that conclusion? Did he play RB at all in college? He's never taken a snap at RB for the Bears
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 10, 2023, 07:19:33 PM
You think Fields is an elite RB? What leads you to that conclusion? Did he play RB at all in college? He's never taken a snap at RB for the Bears
It's just his ongoing lame joke about Fields being an RB not a QB. It's biweekly
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/12/packers-ol-goes-from-perceived-strength-to-an-unknown-entering-bye/
https://nypost.com/2023/10/17/troy-aikmans-girlfriend-haley-clark-accused-of-scamming-nordstrom/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 17, 2023, 10:41:42 AM
https://nypost.com/2023/10/17/troy-aikmans-girlfriend-haley-clark-accused-of-scamming-nordstrom/
Posted in the wrong thread?
Quote from: RJax55 on October 10, 2023, 04:44:02 PM
The questions about Favre actually came more in 1993, his second season.
In '93, expectations were higher, especially after signing Reggie White. However, Favre's play declined. He lead the league in inceptions. His completion percentage and QB rating fell as well. However, the team still went 9-7 and made the playoffs. The GB was improving rapidly, but there were real questions on whether Favre was the right guy at QB. However, Holmgren struck with Favre.
Looking back at it, the playoff win in Detroit was a huge moment for him. The win cemented his status as the Packers QB. From there, Favre's career took off.
You may want to look at the history of Bart Starr as well. Mr. Starr was a 17th round draft choice in 1956 and either backed up or split time with another quarterback until 1960. Coach Lombardi saw something in Mr. Starr and made him the full-time quarterback. 1961 was the first season Mr. Starr was the full-time, permanent quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. Absent periods of injury, Mr. Starr stayed as the starting quarterback until 1970.
People mature at different rates. I'm still very optimistic Jordan Love is the guy.
I know Aaron Rodgers fans may disagree, but Mr. Starr was the best ever for the Green Bay Packers. Proof: Five (5) rings!
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 17, 2023, 01:56:37 PM
You may want to look at the history of Bart Starr as well. Mr. Starr was a 17th round draft choice in 1956 and either backed up or split time with another quarterback until 1960. Coach Lombardi saw something in Mr. Starr and made him the full-time quarterback. 1961 was the first season Mr. Starr was the full-time, permanent quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. Absent periods of injury, Mr. Starr stayed as the starting quarterback until 1970.
People mature at different rates. I'm still very optimistic Jordan Love is the guy.
I know Aaron Rodgers fans may disagree, but Mr. Starr was the best ever for the Green Bay Packers. Proof: Five (5) rings!
Starr was the best QB in Packers history. 10 post-season games, 15TDs, 3 picks, 104.8 passer rating.
Ran the offense, callled the plays. Wasn't as talented and didn't put up video game numbers but given the era, no doubt Starr is the best Packers QB ever
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 17, 2023, 01:56:37 PM
You may want to look at the history of Bart Starr as well. Mr. Starr was a 17th round draft choice in 1956 and either backed up or split time with another quarterback until 1960. Coach Lombardi saw something in Mr. Starr and made him the full-time quarterback. 1961 was the first season Mr. Starr was the full-time, permanent quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. Absent periods of injury, Mr. Starr stayed as the starting quarterback until 1970.
People mature at different rates. I'm still very optimistic Jordan Love is the guy.
I know Aaron Rodgers fans may disagree, but Mr. Starr was the best ever for the Green Bay Packers. Proof: Five (5) rings!
Why isn't the current Pack QB "Mr." Jordan?
I'm not very convinced on Love at all. I'd be thrilled to tank for Williams or Maye.
Love led the entire NCAA in interceptions his last year in college football, while playing against Mountain West defenders. I don't care that he lost all his receivers after his sophomore year, if you're an NFL starting QB talent, you shred the Mountain West with Marquette High receivers. His deep balls are so brutally inaccurate that it has, in my opinion, prevented him from more interceptions than he has this year. There are times he's throwing it deep into 3 defenders, but the ball is off the mark by 10 yards so neither defenders nor the one receiver down field can make a play on the ball.
Yes I get that he's a first year starter playing with young receivers. If his only problem was timing/chemistry with his receivers and the game moving too fast then maybe I'd believe he can develop into an above average starter. But he's a 4th year NFL QB who is horribly inaccurate on short and deep throws. He was great on intermediate throws early in the year, but even those are now leading to some turnovers.
Peddle his ass, hey?
Quote from: wadesworld on October 17, 2023, 03:48:17 PM
I'm not very convinced on Love at all. I'd be thrilled to tank for Williams or Maye.
Love led the entire NCAA in interceptions his last year in college football, while playing against Mountain West defenders. I don't care that he lost all his receivers after his sophomore year, if you're an NFL starting QB talent, you shred the Mountain West with Marquette High receivers. His deep balls are so brutally inaccurate that it has, in my opinion, prevented him from more interceptions than he has this year. There are times he's throwing it deep into 3 defenders, but the ball is off the mark by 10 yards so neither defenders nor the one receiver down field can make a play on the ball.
Yes I get that he's a first year starter playing with young receivers. If his only problem was timing/chemistry with his receivers and the game moving too fast then maybe I'd believe he can develop into an above average starter. But he's a 4th year NFL QB who is horribly inaccurate on short and deep throws. He was great on intermediate throws early in the year, but even those are now leading to some turnovers.
Yep, he needs to execute better. Having healthy players helps a lot though. No Aaron Jones, Bakh, Elgton Jenkins, and Watson made the offense very incomplete.
Overall, I think he gets all of this year and then a 'prove it' contract loaded with incentives. If he isn't the guy we will know by the end of next year at the latest. IMO, if we get a spot where there is a QB we like a lot, I'm okay with the Packers chasing a bit of talent. Even if that is trading our 1st and two 2nd to move up.
What probably needs to be addressed ASAP is Gute's tenure. We have a lot of average players on this team without any standing out. Doubt we see a pro bowl selection of note on the team.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 17, 2023, 03:48:17 PM
I'm not very convinced on Love at all. I'd be thrilled to tank for Williams or Maye.
It'd be pretty damn easy to give Caleb Williams partial ownership in the Packers!
Quote from: MU82 on October 17, 2023, 02:59:55 PM
Why isn't the current Pack QB "Mr." Jordan?
No second reference. The only one in the post that wasn't full first name was Coach Lombardi.
That's reverence.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 18, 2023, 01:28:58 PM
Yep, he needs to execute better. Having healthy players helps a lot though. No Aaron Jones, Bakh, Elgton Jenkins, and Watson made the offense very incomplete.
Overall, I think he gets all of this year and then a 'prove it' contract loaded with incentives. If he isn't the guy we will know by the end of next year at the latest. IMO, if we get a spot where there is a QB we like a lot, I'm okay with the Packers chasing a bit of talent. Even if that is trading our 1st and two 2nd to move up.
What probably needs to be addressed ASAP is Gute's tenure. We have a lot of average players on this team without any standing out. Doubt we see a pro bowl selection of note on the team.
No doubt about it. I don't think the Packers will be doing much winning until Gutey is gone.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 18, 2023, 02:08:25 PM
No doubt about it. I don't think the Packers will be doing much winning until Gutey is gone.
It would be better for the franchise if they bomb out and Love is clearly not the answer than a middling season unless Love really balls out over the final half of the season
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 18, 2023, 01:28:58 PM
Overall, I think he gets all of this year and then a 'prove it' contract loaded with incentives.
Love already has his contract for next season.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36930283/packers-reach-1-year-extension-qb-jordan-love
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/19/packers-cb-jaire-alexander-back-returns-to-the-injury-report-on-thursday/
An impressive 10 guys on the injury report this week despite the bye week.
Why do the Packers have so many more injuries than any other team (s oit seems)?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 20, 2023, 03:38:43 PM
An impressive 10 guys on the injury report this week despite the bye week.
Good news re: Eric Stokes
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/21/packers-activate-cb-eric-stokes-from-pup-list-ahead-of-matchup-vs-broncos/
NFL Network Preview of Packers Broncos. Russell Wilson not performing well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAZw0NRCaH0
Aaron Jones playing today
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/22/packers-rb-aaron-jones-expected-to-play-vs-broncos/
Love needs to realize this isn't Madden and he can't just launch the ball downfield and his tiny WR will go get it.
Packers wide receivers suck
How many first round picks on this Packers defense?
Send Gutenkust back to Minnesota, eh?
Joe Barry sucks
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 22, 2023, 03:56:10 PM
How many first round picks on this Packers defense?
Send Gutenkust back to Minnesota, eh?
Murphy has a choice to make after this year. He's retiring in summer '25. Does he clean house and get it in order for his successor? Or does he leave it up to them?
Cause if he doesn't do it this year, it won't be for a couple IMO.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 22, 2023, 04:03:05 PM
Murphy has a choice to make after this year. He's retiring in summer '25. Does he clean house and get it in order for his successor? Or does he leave it up to them?
Cause if he doesn't do it this year, it won't be for a couple IMO.
Do it now. Cap clears up after next year, I believe. They can't let Gutes make another pick
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 22, 2023, 04:06:35 PM
Do it now. Cap clears up after next year, I believe. They can't let Gutes make another pick
I agree. Not sure Murphy does.
Brutal, brutal offense. Love the plethora of 2 - 5 yard pass attempts.
Quote from: Jockey on October 22, 2023, 04:15:32 PM
Brutal, brutal offense. Love the plethora of 2 - 5 yard pass attempts.
Run the wishbone
Quote from: Jockey on October 22, 2023, 04:15:32 PM
Brutal, brutal offense. Love the plethora of 2 - 5 yard pass attempts.
I don't get it
Guys, I'm not sure if any of the Packers coaches can
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 22, 2023, 04:19:14 PM
I don't get it
They don't have good receivers and don't have a quarterback who can throw them open.
Also this sucking by the Packers while playing one of the worst teams in the league. Wait, are the Packers now one of the worst teams in the NFL?
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 22, 2023, 04:23:40 PM
Guys, I'm not sure if any of the Packers coaches can
Bissachia okay
Say it with me...
Rebuild mode.
Quote from: tower912 on October 22, 2023, 04:35:50 PM
Say it with me...
Rebuild mode.
I thought 7-9 wins at start of season. I'm down to 3-5.
Looked like one of my recent 6 irons.
Quote from: Jockey on October 22, 2023, 04:40:24 PM
I thought 7-9 wins at start of season. I'm down to 3-5.
Time to tank.
What exactly did the Packers practice during the bye week? It sure wasn't on the offensive side of the ball!
Quote from: MU1in77 on October 22, 2023, 05:04:58 PM
What exactly did the Packers practice during the bye week? It sure wasn't on the offensive side of the ball!
How were they to know that teams will sell out to stop these 5 yard swing passes
Update: Start Wicks at QB
Quote from: MU1in77 on October 22, 2023, 05:04:58 PM
What exactly did the Packers practice during the bye week? It sure wasn't on the offensive side of the ball!
how to get even more injured
Rashan Gary can get to the QB but teams can run just at him
Is this what rock bottom is like?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 22, 2023, 05:24:43 PM
Is this what rock bottom is like?
Lol, nope. Imagine a decade of this... maybe two... maybe three.
Getting ass kicked by Denver is a low...
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 22, 2023, 05:24:43 PM
Is this what rock bottom is like?
Love is very lucky Doubs was able to muscle that away, that pass was way short
Touchdown Seahawks
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 22, 2023, 05:25:09 PM
Lol, nope. Imagine a decade of this... maybe two... maybe three.
Lions fan waves.
You'd think after almost $100k in fines a dude would learn.
two ridiculous bailouts
Time for Joe Barry's defense to shut it down
Brad Davison plays db for the Packers?
Jordan Love aint the guy
Love Stinks (J Geils was right). Keep losing and draft a QB.
I'm not sure there's anything this team does well.
Packers have room for improvement. Need to reassess Little Flower
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 22, 2023, 06:22:53 PM
Love Stinks (J Geils was right). Keep losing and draft a QB.
No GM should have the opportunity to draft the second "quarterback of the future" if the first one is a bust.
I'm having my knee scoped tomorrow and hoping the surgeon isn't a die hard Packer fan who has trouble getting over a bad loss!
Gutey drained the talent QUICKLY. He prioritized RB and ILB and ignored pass catchers and OL. He ran an all time great QB out of town for a guy who led the NCAA in interceptions playing against low major talent. He has to be a bottom 5 GM.
I'd love to keep Love around for 2 more years, draft OLs in the top 5 the next 2 drafts, and then land Arch.
Quote from: tower912 on October 22, 2023, 06:05:58 PM
Brad Davison plays db for the Packers?
Punch'n Jeudy is no longer just an old timey puppet show.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/23/rb-a-j-dillon-provides-bright-spot-for-packers-offense-during-loss-in-denver/
Eric Stokes puts in 4 plays before going back on IL. Another bust
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/28/packers-lbs-face-difficult-task-of-trying-to-limit-vikings-te-tj-hockenson/
Good news
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/29/packers-cb-jaire-alexander-active-vs-vikings-in-week-8/
Skol Vikings
Can't wait for the packets to be the only team this season that can't turnover the Vikings
1. The Packers offensive line is terrible
2. I have no idea what they do on 3rd down defense but it's not good
3. I'm sick of the young WR excuses. Jordan Addison looks pretty freaking good
Pack sucks, aina?
#10 sucks, hey?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2023, 12:17:32 PM
1. The Packers offensive line is terrible
2. I have no idea what they do on 3rd down defense but it's not good
3. I'm sick of the young WR excuses. Jordan Addison looks pretty freaking good
Would've liked him on the team vs Van Ness. When's the last time you've even heard his name?
Another stellar start for GB. 0, nada, bupkis first downs, hey?
How long until the Joe Barry experience ends?
Packers suck all around - Love, play calling, receivers can't get open, dumb penalties, run defense, opposing WRs running wide open.
They likely will lose out the rest of the season, which may the low point and the start of a rise with a new QB.
And somehow LaFluer will continue to employ JBC
Bob and Brian still around? Time to bring back "All My Packers"
Fire everybody
Hey, a 1st down!
Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 29, 2023, 01:15:20 PM
Hey, a 1st down!
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll have a holding call here shortly
Most promising drive so far and they're barely past the 50 yard line
Anders Carlson running away with the team MVP award and it's not close.
Bryan Bulaga says Joe Barry is doing a good job
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 29, 2023, 01:33:36 PM
Anders Carlson running away with the team MVP award and it's not close.
I agree with this analysis.
I think Mike needs to call more 2 yard passes. And absolutely do not send Musgrave over the middle.
I'm glad Rasul's so concerned with the offense
So happy for Jaire getting his bag
Gotta remind myself we're playing a crap team, but back to .500 feels good. SKOL!!!
Packers have room for improvement
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2023, 02:07:12 PM
He sucks
Has there been a single player that's shown improvement?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 29, 2023, 02:08:33 PM
Has there been a single player that's shown improvement?
The punter?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2023, 02:12:45 PM
The punter?
Nah he sucks. Should be way better with how much work he gets.
Got the PI but a fade route to the smallest WR is certainly a play call.
Everyone is bad.
We're all doomed.
Will Levis>jordan love
Fire everybody.
Trade Jaire. Trade Gary
Bakh going to refuse to play at lambeau now after Cousins' Achilles tear
Vikings were usually playing with one safety. Oftentimes with none. There is zero reason for opposing defenses to have any respect for this passing game.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 29, 2023, 02:08:09 PM
Packers have room for improvement
And the North Pole has room for a warm-up.
The Packers just plain suck.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/29/same-self-inflicted-errors-plague-packers-in-loss-to-vikings/
Do the Packers lead the league in pre-snap penalties? It seems every decent play is followed by losing 5 yards.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 29, 2023, 07:27:15 PM
Do the Packers lead the league in pre-snap penalties? It seems every decent play is followed by losing 5 yards.
decent chance they lead in 15 yard penalties.
Packers give Gary the bag. Not sure about this
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 30, 2023, 09:16:30 AM
Packers give Gary the bag. Not sure about this
Depends on the guarantees.
Waste of bread. Tear da whole mess down and start over. Da only playa worth chit is Carlson, aina?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 30, 2023, 09:20:03 AM
Depends on the guarantees.
Looks like at least $35 Million guaranteed . Will find out more details over time.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38778681/packers-rashan-gary-agrees-4-year-1075m-extension
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 30, 2023, 11:34:35 AM
Tyson Bagent>Jordan Love
He definitely might be. Or might not be. We'll see!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 30, 2023, 11:34:35 AM
Tyson Bagent>Jordan Love
Maybe? Seems a little early to make that call.
I gotta admit, it seemed like Tirico and Collinsworth were a little over-the-top yesterday in their praise. He did some good things. But a lot of it wasn't great. And like with a lot of young quarterbacks, your weaknesses will be found out quickly so the key is how you evolve and sustain.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 30, 2023, 12:45:27 PM
Maybe? Seems a little early to make that call.
I gotta admit, it seemed like Tirico and Collinsworth were a little over-the-top yesterday in their praise. He did some good things. But a lot of it wasn't great. And like with a lot of young quarterbacks, your weaknesses will be found out quickly so the key is how you evolve and sustain.
This really stuck out to me. And frequently their on-screen narratives come from the teams themselves...
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 30, 2023, 12:47:30 PM
This really stuck out to me. And frequently their on-screen narratives come from the teams themselves...
IDK if they were just trying to keep people engaged in a really poor game or what, but it was pretty noticeable.
https://x.com/zachkruse2/status/1719030720830578894?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Gutenkunst can't evaluate WRs at all
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 30, 2023, 02:00:39 PM
https://x.com/zachkruse2/status/1719030720830578894?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Gutenkunst can't evaluate WRs at all
Or QBs.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 29, 2023, 07:27:15 PM
Do the Packers lead the league in pre-snap penalties? It seems every decent play is followed by losing 5 yards.
https://x.com/nflrefstats1/status/1719049178381431171?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/nflrefstats1/status/1719049178381431171?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 30, 2023, 12:45:27 PM
Maybe? Seems a little early to make that call.
I gotta admit, it seemed like Tirico and Collinsworth were a little over-the-top yesterday in their praise. He did some good things. But a lot of it wasn't great. And like with a lot of young quarterbacks, your weaknesses will be found out quickly so the key is how you evolve and sustain.
I don't disagree, still a lot we don't know about Bagent. But he does have an accurate arm, an essential for a QB that Love struggles with. And it's fun poking the bear (bias) who made Bagent (a free agent, for godsakes) the poster child for Chicago's stupidity.
https://x.com/lukebraunnfl/status/1719078034907754923?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/lukebraunnfl/status/1719078034907754923?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
This is wild
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 31, 2023, 10:18:34 AM
https://x.com/lukebraunnfl/status/1719078034907754923?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/lukebraunnfl/status/1719078034907754923?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
This is wild
Eh. Looks like a receiver missed an audible. It happens.
I remember Joey Harrington facing a 4th down and 5-ish to go. All four of his receivers went 3 yards and stopped. He completed the pass, but the receiver was tackled short of the marker. I remember the announcer being stunned that the play called did not have any receiver going anywhere.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 31, 2023, 10:25:49 AM
Eh. Looks like a receiver missed an audible. It happens.
Looks like it was supposed to be a screen to the left.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 31, 2023, 11:49:14 AM
Looks like it was supposed to be a screen to the left.
And the pass rush just blew it up? Good call.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 31, 2023, 10:25:49 AM
Eh. Looks like a receiver missed an audible. It happens.
Yep. And plays like that are why I'm hesitant to give up on Love. Not many guys can make that play. Good recognition by Doubs too.
Packers trade Rasul Douglas to the Bills, along with a 5th, for a 3rd. Likely wasn't going to be on the team next year with an $11 million cap hit.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 31, 2023, 02:44:00 PM
Packers trade Rasul Douglas to the Bills, along with a 5th, for a 3rd. Likely wasn't going to be on the team next year with an $11 million cap hit.
Oh great, another draft pick for Gute to notch.
Adios and next man up, aina?
https://x.com/andyhermannfl/status/1718999107379868133?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 31, 2023, 02:49:25 PM
Oh great, another draft pick for Gute to notch.
At least they have Stokes to step in. :-\
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 31, 2023, 02:44:00 PM
Packers trade Rasul Douglas to the Bills, along with a 5th, for a 3rd. Likely wasn't going to be on the team next year with an $11 million cap hit.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38788389/source-bills-acquire-cb-rasul-douglas-trade-packers
Quote from: Jockey on October 31, 2023, 04:08:26 PM
At least they have Stokes to step in. :-\
Hey now, don't forget about Preston Smith.
The offer the Bills made for Rasul being "too good to pass up" is certainly a take.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 02, 2023, 06:19:27 AM
The offer the Bills made for Rasul being "too good to pass up" is certainly a take.
Eh, it was a cap decision on a CB who will be 29 next year. He's been burned more than a few times this season (as has everyone on the team). Was going to get big money and the team doesn't need to pay a 30 year old CB during a rebuild. Was he probably the leader of the defense, sure... but that defense is a MESS. Take the draft capital, salary cap money, and move on.
It certainly wasn't the worst decision made yesterday.
Yeah, Rasul was going to be a cap casualty next year anyway.
Yeah I dunno, of all of the decisions GB has made in the last few years, turning a 5th into a 3rd, saving $9 ($6.5? seen both)M off the cap, and making your team marginally worse in a lost season that only benefits from additional losses for draft position seems like not the place I'd direct my criticism.
Quote from: jficke13 on November 02, 2023, 08:26:21 AM
Yeah I dunno, of all of the decisions GB has made in the last few years, turning a 5th into a 3rd, saving $9 ($6.5? seen both)M off the cap, and making your team marginally worse in a lost season that only benefits from additional losses for draft position seems like not the place I'd direct my criticism.
Sounds like Jerry Krause, circa late 1990s!
At least Gutey kills it with third round draft picks! The players he has drafted in the 3rd round are:
Oren Burks
Jace Sternberger
Josiah Deguara
Amari Rodgers
Sean Rhyan
Tucker Kraft
Looking forward to seeing who he adds in 2024!
Quote from: wadesworld on November 02, 2023, 09:17:36 AM
At least Gutey kills it with third round draft picks! The players he has drafted in the 3rd round are:
Oren Burks
Jace Sternberger
Josiah Deguara
Amari Rodgers
Sean Rhyan
Tucker Kraft
Looking forward to seeing who he adds in 2024!
In Gute's defense (just this once) Oren Burks is having a decent post GB career
Pack won't pay. The rest is just useless blah, blah, blah, hey?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 02, 2023, 07:52:27 AM
Yeah, Rasul was going to be a cap casualty next year anyway.
Also, he put up good numbers last year (interceptions) largely by jumping routes and taking gambles. This year, opposing defenses have a lot of tape on him, and know the exact routes he likes to jump and take gambles on. As a result, he gets burned a lot, because they set him up to take the gamble and then expose him.
I think it was Goff on the lions who said they made a specific call knowing that they'd get a TD on Rasul because of the film...they got a TD.
Gutey feeling the heat re: #10
https://fansided.com/posts/packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-officially-sounds-the-alarms-on-jordan-love-01he69xz40vj
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 02, 2023, 05:59:28 PM
Gutey feeling the heat re: #10
https://fansided.com/posts/packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-officially-sounds-the-alarms-on-jordan-love-01he69xz40vj
lol, Fansided 😂
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 02, 2023, 05:59:28 PM
Gutey feeling the heat re: #10
https://fansided.com/posts/packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-officially-sounds-the-alarms-on-jordan-love-01he69xz40vj
Dish is right. No GM should draft two "QBs of the future."
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 02, 2023, 06:02:25 PM
Dish is right. No GM should draft two "QBs of the future."
Regardless of whether he's drafting a QB or not, Gutey cannot be the GM going into this draft. Highest draft pick in decades, two 2nds, and two 3rds. Just cannot have Gutey being the one making these picks.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 02, 2023, 07:25:27 PM
Regardless of whether he's drafting a QB or not, Gutey cannot be the GM going into this draft. Highest draft pick in decades, two 2nds, and two 3rds. Just cannot have Gutey being the one making these picks.
He will be making those picks. Mark Murphy isn't going to be installing a new GM and coaching staff before he retires in two years.
Am I missing what was so bad about how Gutey communicated the trade to Douglas?
Seems that Douglas was bummed to leave and that's more of the frustration.
Certainly Joe Barry can figure out Brett Rypien today.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 05, 2023, 10:25:02 AM
Certainly Joe Barry can figure out Brett Rypien today.
Hopefully Joe Berry gets lost going to the stadium
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/05/packers-inactives-quay-walker-rudy-ford-both-out-vs-rams/
This team is just so stupid.
Holy Garo Yepremian moment.
The elusive first half score!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 05, 2023, 12:39:37 PM
The Rams might stink
Skills.
Stafford might be better left handed.
And throws like that are why Jordan love ain't it.
The Packers proving not every team can run the Tush Push.
1 step forward, 3 steps back every possession.
Another miss from Carlson
Needed that FG . Tough way to end half.
Time to bring back "All My Packers".
Is the Packers offense the Iowa of the NFL?
At some point I wonder if this is intentional. Probably the least enjoyable packer team in my memory.
Aaron Donald is still fun to watch
It's official, the Rams suck
A GB WR finally makes a play.
Quote from: tower912 on November 05, 2023, 02:48:52 PM
A GB WR finally makes a play.
and hurts himself in the process
Probably partially shock.
Sucks when you watch two crap teams, and your team is slightly less shittier.
Screwing up a draft pick.
20-26, 228. Solid
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 05, 2023, 02:52:06 PM
Sucks when you watch two crap teams, and your team is slightly less craptier.
Screwing up a draft pick.
MLF is so over his head he can't even drive the TANK.
Quote from: tower912 on November 05, 2023, 03:07:03 PM
20-26, 228. Solid
Yeah Love was pretty good in the second half. No complaints.
Solid win for Packers
Watson managed to sustain a chest injury, back injury, and a possible concussion on his one catch.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 05, 2023, 04:21:02 PM
Watson managed to sustain a chest injury, back injury, and a possible concussion on his one catch.
I really don't recall any Packer or player before him so incapable of taking a hit and getting right back up. He is so fragile it's ridiculous.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 05, 2023, 04:21:02 PM
Watson managed to sustain a chest injury, back injury, and a possible concussion on his one catch.
Made of glass. Hurt his front back and top on 1 play. Thank god it sounds like his feet are OK.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 05, 2023, 04:21:02 PM
Watson managed to sustain a chest injury, back injury, and a possible concussion on his one catch.
3rd round talent who will never amount to anything.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 05, 2023, 04:21:02 PM
Watson managed to sustain a chest injury, back injury, and a possible concussion on his one catch.
My chest, my back...
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/09/packers-jaire-alexander-misses-second-practice-cb-depth-to-be-tested-vs-steelers/
NFL.Com Packers Steelers Preview
https://youtu.be/NSLbjEbHvmA?si=KjjtFbMinKN5G7ug
Hopefully Packers can keep their winning ways from last week
Packer defensive effort in that 1st drives looks like the Badgers.
Heckuva drive by 10, eh?
Steelers hit their avg ppg a little bit into the second quarter
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 12, 2023, 12:57:56 PM
Steelers hit their avg ppg a little bit into the second quarter
Joe Barry, baby
Heckuva pass by 10, eh
Carlson sucks, eh
Special teams are special again ::).
The left edge blocker on the blocked XP should be cut by halftime. Zero effort
81. Deguara
Watson has zero desire to fight for a jump ball
Green Bay just plunged a very sharp knife into the hearts of its fans.
It's Taps time!
Stupid team
Great Result!
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 12, 2023, 02:49:57 PM
Watson has zero desire to fight for a jump ball
And it made him a non option on the last play too
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 12, 2023, 03:13:15 PM
Great Result!
There's a couple important games the Great Result crew has coming up for the Pack.
@ Giants
@ Panthers
Bears
I don't know if they're bad enough to sneak into the top 5, but they've definitely entered the Great Result chat room.
Peddle all of 'em, 'cept Carlson, aina?
Funny thing about the GREAT RESULT group is Packers fans have seen a good quarterback in their lifetime and don't pretend they have a DUDE or the best quarterback in the NFC North (when Aaron Rodgers was still in the division, no doubt). And understand that until there's a new GM in place, draft position won't matter one bit.
Der all soft and full of themselves. Throw MLF, Gutty, and start over, hey?
MLF and Guty have room for improvement
Packers need a wholesale purge from the top down to JBC.
Blown call on that backward pass/fumble/ return.
Don't understand the theory of drafting a QB , who came from a lower level league, who threw a lot of interceptions. Similarly , why draft a receiver from a lower level who dropped lots of passes at collegiate level. It is not like they are going to move up to the NFL, the highest of all leagues, and change their ways.
Don't understand passin' on T. J. Watt ether, hey?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/15/justin-herbert-chargers-passing-attack-will-present-a-new-challenge-for-packers-defense/
If he throws like he did against Detroit, buckle up.
Quote from: tower912 on November 15, 2023, 05:49:56 PM
If he throws like he did against Detroit, buckle up.
The Packers have Jaire Island
Rashan Gary injured in practice
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/17/with-rashan-gary-questionable-kingsley-enagbare-ready-for-potential-larger-role-vs-justin-herbert-chargers/
https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/nfl-news-and-rumors/christian-watsons-father-slams-packers-fans-says-theyre-worse-than-phillys
Worse than Philly fans.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2023, 10:59:47 AM
https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/nfl-news-and-rumors/christian-watsons-father-slams-packers-fans-says-theyre-worse-than-phillys
Worse than Philly fans.
Philly Fans Booed and Threw Snowballs at Santa Claus. That is pretty low.
https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/opinion/bad-santa-and-snowballs-has-become-a-legendary-episode-in-eagles-history
And legendary. However, Christian Watson's dad, a former NFL player who played in Philly, says Packer fans are worse.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 18, 2023, 11:22:59 AM
Philly Fans Booed and Threw Snowballs at Santa Claus. That is pretty low.
https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/opinion/bad-santa-and-snowballs-has-become-a-legendary-episode-in-eagles-history
I saw some Packer fans kick the crap out of Mother Theresa in a bar in Calcutta.
So much of this could have been avoided by admitting publicly that this is a rebuild.
Quote from: tower912 on November 18, 2023, 11:24:37 AM
And legendary. However, Christian Watson's dad, a former NFL player who played in Philly, says Packer fans are worse.
Maybe his kid can learn how to fight for a football.
lol of course our fans are bad. I've got news for Mr Watson though, fans of every team are, measured collectively, awful.
Some random folks who are smart and kind and generous fans of the packers, bears, eagles etc? Sure. Grab a random 10 outta any stadium and you're not exactly gonna find a group of fine minds and genteel demeanor.
the porcelain doll might break fighting for the ball... packers probably now regret not making that trade for Taylor...
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 18, 2023, 12:39:14 PM
Maybe his kid can learn how to fight for a football.
If there's a softer, weaker player in the NFL than Watson, I'd like to see him. I've never seen a guy so pathetic at taking a hit.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 18, 2023, 11:26:03 AM
I saw some Packer fans kick the crap out of Mother Theresa in a bar in Calcutta.
Actually, I heard Mother Theresa scored a 60 yard touchdown run against the Bear defense, then was whistled for unsportsmanlike conduct!
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 18, 2023, 04:15:58 PM
Actually, I heard Mother Theresa scored a 60 yard touchdown run against the Bear defense, then was whistled for unsportsmanlike conduct!
Careful, someone may actually believe that. :D
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 18, 2023, 04:15:58 PM
Actually, I heard Mother Theresa scored a 60 yard touchdown run against the Bear defense, then was whistled for unsportsmanlike conduct!
She would part the Packers runs D like the Red Sea.
Shouldn't have hired Gandhi as defensive coordinator.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/18/packers-rookie-pass-catchers-are-shining-but-need-more-from-second-year-wrs/
Jonathan Owens is not the athlete in his family.
Carlson sucks
Is Watson's dad going to blame Jordan's hard count for the false start?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 19, 2023, 01:14:08 PM
Is Watson's dad going to blame Jordan's hard count for the false start?
My guess is Yes
Packers running back room getting lonely
Packers need to make a solid drive here
Kinda thinking that this is a team with a lot of issues. And quarterback isn't one of them.
It's amazing a 6 minute drive can end at the 50 yard line with a punt
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 19, 2023, 02:06:06 PM
Kinda thinking that this is a team with a lot of issues. And quarterback isn't one of them.
cArLsOn Is ThE bEsT pLaYeR oN tHe PaCkErS
Heckuva drive by 10
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 19, 2023, 02:06:06 PM
Kinda thinking that this is a team with a lot of issues. And quarterback isn't one of them.
I'm thinking the same
Doink. Your Christmas present, GB. That was a TD.
I feel bad for Herbert
Excellent win for Packers
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 19, 2023, 02:06:06 PM
Kinda thinking that this is a team with a lot of issues. And quarterback isn't one of them.
I think Love has played well the last few games. Not too flashy, but moving the ball. The throws like the miss to Musgrave down the sideline was frustrating.
For me, even if the wins aren't there, if it looks like we have the QB of the future with Love, I will be optimistic about the future. When they showed the 1-4 in close games stat, it reminded me of Rodgers first year starting.
At this point you look for things on the upswing, and the Packers have that with Love, Musgrave, Reed, Wicks. The OL, RB room and entire defense (per usual) needs a lot of work. Expect OL to be an early target
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 19, 2023, 03:53:58 PM
At this point you look for things on the upswing, and the Packers have that with Love, Musgrave, Reed, Wicks. The OL, RB room and entire defense (per usual) needs a lot of work. Expect OL to be an early target
LT has to be priority one
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2023, 04:00:07 PM
LT has to be priority one
He's way too old - and probably too coked out.
Quote from: Jockey on November 19, 2023, 04:01:59 PM
He's way too old - and probably too coked out.
Well, he's alive somehow
Chargers were 32nd in pass defense coming into today. Love can't throw the ball downfield. That's a major problem, and not something that's just an experience issue, or experienced weapon issue. Is he the biggest problem with this team? No. Is he good enough to lead a true contender? Also no, in my opinion.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2023, 05:16:36 PM
Chargers were 32nd in pass defense coming into today. Love can't throw the ball downfield. That's a major problem, and not something that's just an experience issue, or experienced weapon issue. Is he the biggest problem with this team? No. Is he good enough to lead a true contender? Also no, in my opinion.
I want to see Love with a real coach before we pull the plug. MLF is middling at best.
I would agree with wades that his touch passes downfield aren't great right now. But I have been real impressed with his accuracy in the middle of the field recently. He is decisive and really slings it. I think Tom Clements has had a nice impact on his development.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 20, 2023, 09:46:26 AM
I would agree with wades that his touch passes downfield aren't great right now. But I have been real impressed with his accuracy in the middle of the field recently. He is decisive and really slings it. I think Tom Clements has had a nice impact on his development.
His TD pass to Watson was nice yesterday and Doubs made a nice play on the last Td
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 20, 2023, 09:46:26 AM
I would agree with wades that his touch passes downfield aren't great right now. But I have been real impressed with his accuracy in the middle of the field recently. He is decisive and really slings it. I think Tom Clements has had a nice impact on his development.
He's definitely better than I thought he would be. He's definitely composed. I just think it's hard to be a good offense when the defense has absolutely no worries about you throwing the ball over the top. That threat needs to be there.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 20, 2023, 10:33:20 AM
His TD pass to Watson was nice yesterday and Doubs made a nice play on the last Td
The Doubs pass was another bad throw to the end zone to me. Doubs had 3 steps on the guy and Love gave the DB a chance to get back into the play. We've seen it consistently at the end of close games that have resulted in a lot of interceptions down there. It was a better throw than past ones, but still needs to be better.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 20, 2023, 11:26:02 AM
He's definitely better than I thought he would be. He's definitely composed. I just think it's hard to be a good offense when the defense has absolutely no worries about you throwing the ball over the top. That threat needs to be there.
The Doubs pass was another bad throw to the end zone to me. Doubs had 3 steps on the guy and Love gave the DB a chance to get back into the play. We've seen it consistently at the end of close games that have resulted in a lot of interceptions down there. It was a better throw than past ones, but still needs to be better.
Big difference this time was throwing to Doubs instead of Watson. Loved Doubs going up to get the ball on the play.
and Watson did not get injured catching the ball...
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 20, 2023, 10:33:20 AM
His TD pass to Watson was nice yesterday and Doubs made a nice play on the last Td
Quote from: wadesworld on November 20, 2023, 11:26:02 AM
He's definitely better than I thought he would be. He's definitely composed. I just think it's hard to be a good offense when the defense has absolutely no worries about you throwing the ball over the top. That threat needs to be there.
The Doubs pass was another bad throw to the end zone to me. Doubs had 3 steps on the guy and Love gave the DB a chance to get back into the play. We've seen it consistently at the end of close games that have resulted in a lot of interceptions down there. It was a better throw than past ones, but still needs to be better.
Saw Love live against The Raiders . The athleticism is there . Guys who are expert at reading defenses dont grow on trees. So it will take a lot of blood sweat ane tears for that level to be reached .
A good Coach and GM should be able to make the right assessment over the course of a full season.
Luke Musgrave was injured Sunday and may be done for the year. He is definitely out Thursday
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2023, 04:14:07 PM
Luke Musgrave was injured Sunday and may be done for the year. He is definitely out Thursday
Jones already out and Reed banged up. Probably won't be thankful for a packers win on thanksgiving
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2023, 04:14:07 PM
Luke Musgrave was injured Sunday and may be done for the year. He is definitely out Thursday
Lombardi Style tough kid
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/21/packers-te-luke-musgrave-hospitalized-with-significant-abdomen-injury/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2023, 04:14:07 PM
Luke Musgrave was injured Sunday and may be done for the year. He is definitely out Thursday
Maybe if he listens to some Dolphin porn
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 21, 2023, 06:28:23 PM
Maybe if he listens to some Dolphin porn
Tua....to Tyreek....touchdown.....
Half the Packers roster appears to be street free agents today
I've become a big fan of Reed
Quay Walker is terrible
Does Joe Barry scheme to not guard TEs?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 23, 2023, 11:48:16 AM
Does Joe Barry scheme to not guard TEs?
They haven't bothered with those guys all year.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 23, 2023, 11:48:16 AM
Does Joe Barry scheme to not guard TEs?
I'm not sure what Joe Barry does or doesn't do.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 23, 2023, 11:48:16 AM
Does Joe Barry scheme to not guard TEs?
I'm not sure why the middle of the field is so wide open all the time against them. Mix in a zone blitz
Detroit's defense has problems
Jordan Love and the offense starting to put it together.
Their defense looks horrendous. As bad as Barry's garbage.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 23, 2023, 12:00:08 PM
Their defense looks horrendous. As bad as Barry's garbage.
Needs another edge to pair with Hutchinson
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 23, 2023, 12:00:01 PM
Jordan Love and the offense starting to put it together.
Love has looked better. But under pressure, he's still mostly awful, throws and decisions. They've protected very well so far today
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2023, 12:01:01 PM
Needs another edge to pair with Hutchinson
It goes deeper than that I think
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 23, 2023, 12:04:18 PM
It goes deeper than that I think
In the modern nfl, you have to be able to rush the QB and Detroit is in the bottom half. Definitely issues in the secondary, too
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 23, 2023, 11:51:41 AM
I'm not sure what Joe Barry does or doesn't do.
Good job, cheers. That was the quintessential Joe Barry Carroll comment.
Carlson sucks but he's the best player on the team according to some
Solid first half
Extend Barry!
How much $$$ has Goff bet on the Packers?
Packers have left a lot to be desired on 4th down this season. Potential game changing mess up there.
Quote from: MU82 on November 23, 2023, 12:13:20 PM
How much $$$ has Goff bet on the Packers?
He must've seen this tweet:
https://x.com/jaycuda/status/1727431198333706280?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/jaycuda/status/1727431198333706280?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 23, 2023, 12:00:08 PM
Their defense looks horrendous. As bad as Barry's garbage.
Don't tell JWags.
Terrible holding call steals TD from Detroit but they score anyway.
Game is far from over
Mcduffie is clueless in pass coverage.
First time I've heard Van Ness' name in weeks is on a penalty call
Stoopid Love couldn't catch that pass too.
Who the heck is Robert Rochelle?
Packers snuff out a fake special teams play for the first time in franchise history. Need a score here.
Love flat out balling today
Quote from: Jockey on November 23, 2023, 01:46:24 PM
Who the heck is Robert Rochelle?
who the heck is Christian Watson?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2023, 01:50:00 PM
Love flat out balling today
Lotsa golf yet ta bea played, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 23, 2023, 01:50:57 PM
Lotsa golf yet ta bea played, aina?
Great point. He's been playing great today and what he's done so far is irrelevant.
If that is the best play on the sheet, just kick the ball.
Call a pass, but take it out of Jordan's hands. ::)
Rashan really wants that Turkey leg
Live by the Campbell Gamble, die by it sometimes too. Still like his style.
Meanwhile, impressed as heck by Pack D and Love.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2023, 01:54:23 PM
Great point. He's been playing great today and what he's done so far is irrelevant.
Der iz know "I" in team, butt der iz "me," hey?
Two drops on third down
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2023, 02:10:36 PM
Two drops on third down
I think that last one was on Love, not Reed
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 23, 2023, 02:17:07 PM
I think that last one was on Love, not Reed
Just a hair overthrown but Reed mistimed his jump too. Might have been Loves worst throw today
Heckuva game by 10, aina?
Man if Love stands in there and takes that hit he could've probably got that ball to Watson
He has no arm strength and that's problematic...but, yes, this is his best game by far overall, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 23, 2023, 02:29:22 PM
He has no arm strength and that's problematic...but, yes, this is his best game by far overall, hey?
There is room for lots of criticisms of Jordan Love, but arm strength is not one of them. He simply tried to throw falling of his back foot. No one has a cannon throwing like that.
Quote from: forgetful on November 23, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
There is room for lots of criticisms of Jordan Love, but arm strength is not one of them. He simply tried to throw falling of his back foot. No one has a cannon throwing like that.
27-40, 332, 2TDs last week
22-32, 268, 3TDs this week
No turnovers. Dude is balling
Watch out - lots of drunken grumpy turkey day dinners in Motown tonight.
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 23, 2023, 02:49:50 PM
Watch out - lots of drunken grumpy turkey day dinners in Motown tonight.
Meh. It isn't Thanksgiving without cursing the Lions.
Would love to see a trade up in the draft to get Harrison. Lotsa 2s and3s in the receiver room. A true #1 would set them up for the future.
I doubt they would consider it though since there are bigger needs elsewhere and several very good tackles in the draft.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2023, 02:39:47 PM
27-40, 332, 2TDs last week
22-32, 268, 3TDs this week
No turnovers. Dude is balling
Yes, he's been extremely good lately.
Quote from: Jockey on November 23, 2023, 03:44:03 PM
Would love to see a trade up in the draft to get Harrison. Lotsa 2s and3s in the receiver room. A true #1 would set them up for the future.
I doubt they would consider it though since there are bigger needs elsewhere and several very good tackles in the draft.
It would have to be quite a trade. Every team in the league would love to get Harrison.
Quote from: Jockey on November 23, 2023, 03:44:03 PM
Would love to see a trade up in the draft to get Harrison. Lotsa 2s and3s in the receiver room. A true #1 would set them up for the future.
I doubt they would consider it though since there are bigger needs elsewhere and several very good tackles in the draft.
LT is the biggest need here - if a guy is there you get him. At WR I think Rome is the other X receiver. Incidentally, I'd be a huge proponent of Penix if Love wasn't on this tear
Love's arm talent is easily top 10 in the league. First play to Watson was 60 air yards and he didn't step into the throw.
We'll see on the consistency but last two weeks have been very impressive. To me it looks like he's figuring it out quickly.
How much does Fox suck that the packers were the only winning team that didnt get a turkey? Jordan and Rashan got screwed.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 24, 2023, 06:43:40 AM
How much does Fox suck that the packers were the only winning team that didnt get a turkey? Jordan and Rashan got screwed.
Budget took a hit from paying those defamation suits
From GB Press-Gazette:
Thursday was a continuation of a four-game trend in which Love has put up a 103.1 rating (eight touchdown passes, two interceptions), and the Packers are 3-1.
Quote from: MU82 on November 24, 2023, 07:42:36 AM
From GB Press-Gazette:
Thursday was a continuation of a four-game trend in which Love has put up a 103.1 rating (eight touchdown passes, two interceptions), and the Packers are 3-1.
Looks a lot more confident and decisive. Helped yesterday his wideouts went and made plays on the football, too.
helluva playa, aina?
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2023, 08:14:16 AM
helluva playa, aina?
Not there yet but until we saw a season out of him, judging him seemed silly. He has an opportunity to finish strong and clearly establish himself as the future QB. The schedule is soft outside KC and a trip to Minnysoda. I don't think they'll make the playoffs but I also didn't think a month ago they'd be in consideration
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2023, 08:26:47 AM
Not there yet but until we saw a season out of him, judging him seemed silly. He has an opportunity to finish strong and clearly establish himself as the future QB. The schedule is soft outside KC and a trip to Minnysoda. I don't think they'll make the playoffs but I also didn't think a month ago they'd be in consideration
It's hard not to compare his 1st full season to Rodgers. They are performing similarly. Right now record wise, Love is on pace to outperform Rodgers. And if you compare the rosters, the 2008 Packers were a much better roster, especially on offense, with receivers Jennings, Driver, and James Jones, as well as rookie Jordy Nelson.
The current Packer receivers are young, and may grow into starts, but they are all works in progress, where Rodgers had two star level receivers in Jennings and Driver, and one could argue the top 3 receivers for Rodgers were better than the current Packers crew.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 24, 2023, 06:43:40 AM
How much does Fox suck that the packers were the only winning team that didnt get a turkey? Jordan and Rashan got screwed.
Just the dumbest controversy ever.
Green Bay started slow. They have a very young team. They have stayed together and improved. Love is finding his way. Seems like solid coaching to me.
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2023, 09:07:34 AM
Green Bay started slow. They have a very young team. They have stayed together and improved. Love is finding his way. Seems like solid coaching to me.
Given half the team is injured, yesterday may have been LaFleur's best game
We live in a simulation that needs some more processing power to generate more alternatives.
https://twitter.com/itszacharyj/status/1727819157226303941?t=fXxNqIyWib_Q6XqgQGV-Rg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/itszacharyj/status/1727819157226303941?t=fXxNqIyWib_Q6XqgQGV-Rg&s=19)
Love is a likeable kid and I hope he continues to make progress the way he has the last few games
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/23/packers-win-over-lions-shows-how-far-jordan-love-and-offense-has-come/
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 24, 2023, 09:31:22 AM
We live in a simulation that needs some more processing power to generate more alternatives.
https://twitter.com/itszacharyj/status/1727819157226303941?t=fXxNqIyWib_Q6XqgQGV-Rg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/itszacharyj/status/1727819157226303941?t=fXxNqIyWib_Q6XqgQGV-Rg&s=19)
I thought the person had their stats wrong, as they don't both have 21 Passing TDs, but then realized they are including rushing TDs, in which case they do indeed both have 21 total touchdowns.
Gutey screws up a fair amount on draft choice but have to give him credit for Jaysen Reed
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/30/packers-giving-wr-jayden-reed-more-designed-touches-behind-line-of-scrimmage/
https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/1730250936311034167
"Since the Packers week six bye, Jordan Love is playing like a top-10 QB in the NFL. I look at what the trick shot maestro is doing that makes me think this is sustainable."
Trade his azz.
Definitely, heal neva bee worth more than now, hey?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/30/jordan-love-packers-offense-having-more-success-with-explosive-passes/
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 01, 2023, 04:00:23 AM
Definitely, heal neva bee worth more than now, hey?
How menny duzzun timez did ewe screem too trayd #12's azz in 2008?
https://www.packers.com/news/packers-qb-jordan-love-ready-for-second-crack-at-chiefs-defense
I hope tswidt and Brittney mahomes get put in the top row like the chiefs did to Jordan's mom
Jaire Alexander out again. Peddle his azz
Heckuva drive by 10, aina?
Starting to look like the long term answer. Strong arm, mobile, good system.
Offense looks completely different than even a couple weeks ago. So many more completions in space.
Heckuva pass stepping up in the pocket by 10, aina?
Extend his azz
Would be great to get something out of this drive to end the half
Well that was about as poorly as you can handle those last 3 downs.
Quote from: forgetful on December 03, 2023, 08:31:09 PM
Well that was about as poorly as you can handle those last 3 downs.
Penalties are killers
Third down play left something to be desired
Yeah that false start dismantled everything.
MLF coached the most pants pissing scared you could be there. Wasting tons of clock, having his RB stay in bounds, and then punting after 1st and 10 from the KC 35. He deserves to lose after that BS.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 03, 2023, 08:32:57 PM
Penalties are killers
Third down play left something to be desired
Run on 2nd down with a TO in hand if you're gonna run for yardage for a manageable FG. And don't run some gimmick inside pitch. Again, loser coaching looking like Nagy
Quote from: JWags85 on December 03, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
MLF coached the most pants pissing scared you could be there. Wasting tons of clock, having his RB stay in bounds, and then punting after 1st and 10 from the KC 35. He deserves to lose after that BS.
Run on 2nd down with a TO in hand if you're gonna run for yardage for a manageable FG. And don't run some gimmick inside pitch. Again, loser coaching looking like Nagy
Your language is more aggressive than I'd use...but you are not wrong.
I like the strategy of letting Kelce run free. Very effective.
Joe Barry, man
I'd just run every play if I'm KC
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 03, 2023, 08:58:06 PM
I'd just run every play if I'm KC
I dunno. Quay Walker usually stops them after 5-6 yards
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 03, 2023, 08:57:59 PM
Joe Barry, man
Keeps calling zone defense even though KC has no game breaker.
Kinda like playing 2 down linemen against the Steelers as they were getting run over.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 03, 2023, 09:00:00 PM
I dunno. Quay Walker usually stops them after 5-6 yards
Blake Martinez is his hero.
Heckuva drive by 10, aina?
Quote from: Jockey on December 03, 2023, 09:01:30 PM
Blake Martinez is his hero.
Grandpa AJ would be proud
Watson finally got his head out of his ass. Going to get that ball is what we've been asking all season.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 03, 2023, 09:11:43 PM
Heckuva drive by 10, aina?
That was an impressive 4th down pass. Just dropped it in the bucket.
Also, great TD throw. Very Rodgers/Favre-esque. Just gunned it to a place where only his guy could catch it.
Barry won't let them cover ANY tight end.
On the 3rd and 15. If Reed keeps running the route, that was a TD. For some reason he stopped.
Must score possession here
The Packers have given up 19 points through well over 3 quarters to the Chiefs. Why all the crying about the defense?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 03, 2023, 09:45:19 PM
The Packers have given up 19 points through well over 3 quarters to the Chiefs. Why all the crying about the defense?
Well, they need a stop now. And only have made them punt once so far.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 03, 2023, 09:45:19 PM
The Packers have given up 19 points through well over 3 quarters to the Chiefs. Why all the crying about the defense?
I've just been whining about TE coverage. Been an issue all year.
Also the 6 YPC by their RB
Huh
Quote from: forgetful on December 03, 2023, 09:39:58 PM
On the 3rd and 15. If Reed keeps running the route, that was a TD. For some reason he stopped.
Yea, he had the guy beat. Only thing I could think is that he saw Love scrambling and started to come back.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 03, 2023, 10:02:00 PM
Yea, he had the guy beat. Only thing I could think is that he saw Love scrambling and started to come back.
It was a designed rollout based on blocking
Oh god he was just starting to get his crap together.
Why not have that as a roll out, so worst case scenario, he can run for no loss, or something.
edit. Well, at least he still made the kick.
Heckuva kick, aina?
Unreal BS
Not a Packer fan but that was a terrible call.
Well, likely no fumble. But should be unnecessary roughness by Pacheco, and looked like a punch so might be ejected.
Wow. Not a good last few plays for the refs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 03, 2023, 10:25:00 PM
Wow. Not a good last few plays for the refs.
They've got just about every play wrong.
Packers gotta QB
Collingsworth pretty bummed mahomes couldn't pull that out
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 03, 2023, 10:02:41 PM
It was a designed rollout based on blocking
That's true. I thought Love had to scramble a little more, but my memory may be faulty.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 03, 2023, 10:32:08 PM
Collingsworth pretty bummed mahomes couldn't pull that out
That seemed pretty mild for a Hail Mary. I don't think I've seen this much conversation about calls after a game since the Fail Mary.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 03, 2023, 10:37:49 PM
That seemed pretty mild for a Hail Mary. I don't think I've seen this much conversation about calls after a game since the Fail Mary.
And they completely ignore the horrendous "late hit" call. Embarrassing broadcast.
https://x.com/pftcommenter/status/1731529748491211059?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/pftcommenter/status/1731529748491211059?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 03, 2023, 10:44:53 PM
https://x.com/pftcommenter/status/1731529748491211059?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/pftcommenter/status/1731529748491211059?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
That's a classic.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 03, 2023, 10:44:53 PM
https://x.com/pftcommenter/status/1731529748491211059?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg (https://x.com/pftcommenter/status/1731529748491211059?s=46&t=WkEC4PHIg9TrMn0pYh5jAg)
It's funny, cause it's true.
The refs didn't cover themselves in glory. No guarantee they're in striking distance if they didn't f the Jonathan Owens penalty. Chiefs had plenty of chances where you don't get to blame one call. Mahomes, to his credit, wears that proudly.
Big boy football tonight for GB
Green Bay is currently the 7th seed. That is no way to tank and get the coach.and GM fired.
Quote from: tower912 on December 04, 2023, 05:12:13 AM
Green Bay is currently the 7th seed. That is no way to tank and get the coach.and GM fired.
Having a good QB covers a lot of sins. Something did click though in the last month with the offensive line being better and the wideouts playing better. There are still deficiencies on the line but it's been much better.
I'm pretty bullish on Kraft at TE as well. I won't be surprised if he is better than Musgrave.
I'm not sure they have a bona fide, prototypical 1 at WR but 1-5 have been balling the last few weeks and making plays for their QB. Still a lot of work to do with regards to hot reads and scramble drill.
Excellent Performance for Packers. In Playoff contention now.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2023, 07:55:12 AM
Having a good QB covers a lot of sins. Something did click though in the last month with the offensive line being better and the wideouts playing better. There are still deficiencies on the line but it's been much better.
I'm pretty bullish on Kraft at TE as well. I won't be surprised if he is better than Musgrave.
I'm not sure they have a bona fide, prototypical 1 at WR but 1-5 have been balling the last few weeks and making plays for their QB. Still a lot of work to do with regards to hot reads and scramble drill.
Perhaps a youthful team, through quality coaching, began to find its way.
Quote from: tower912 on December 04, 2023, 08:12:22 AM
Perhaps a youthful team, through quality coaching, began to find its way.
We'll see. They have a favorable schedule to end the year. NYG, Carolina, Tampa, Vikes & Bears. If they steal a playoff bid, LaFleur will be safe for awhile because after the stinker at home against Minnesota, they looked like a dead man walking. Credit to the staff, for sure
Unless something completely falls apart, the whole crew is safe regardless.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 04, 2023, 08:22:57 AM
Unless something completely falls apart, the whole crew is safe regardless.
Including Barry. Which I'm still conflicted about. We aren't giving up many points, but there's still a lot of frustrating stuff.
Crazy how much Collingsworth was cheerleading for Mahomes last night.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 03, 2023, 10:32:08 PM
Collingsworth pretty bummed mahomes couldn't pull that out
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 04, 2023, 09:20:44 AM
Crazy how much Collingsworth was cheerleading for Mahomes last night.
He's obnoxious, but as a Packers fan, we've been on the other side of that for a long time.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 04, 2023, 09:20:44 AM
Crazy how much Collingsworth was cheerleading for Mahomes last night.
He used to cheerlead for Rogers and Farve and now he hates the Pakcers
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 04, 2023, 09:20:44 AM
Crazy how much Collingsworth was cheerleading for Mahomes last night.
The league wants to promote its stars. That's a good thing.
He was also very complimentary of Love and the Packers.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 04, 2023, 08:52:59 AM
Including Barry. Which I'm still conflicted about. We aren't giving up many points, but there's still a lot of frustrating stuff.
It's pretty hard to argue with the results yesterday. But I think that's the most frustrating thing about his style. It's a bend-but-not-break, but it can break a lot.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2023, 07:55:12 AM
Having a good QB covers a lot of sins. Something did click though in the last month with the offensive line being better and the wideouts playing better. There are still deficiencies on the line but it's been much better.
I'm pretty bullish on Kraft at TE as well. I won't be surprised if he is better than Musgrave.
I'm not sure they have a bona fide, prototypical 1 at WR but 1-5 have been balling the last few weeks and making plays for their QB. Still a lot of work to do with regards to hot reads and scramble drill.
Kraft has some Kittle to his game. Obviously no comparisons at this stage in his career, but he doesn't wow you with athleticism like Musgrave does, but there are a lot of little things that are starting to add up.
As far as receivers, I think Reed, Wicks are your two purest receivers in the long run. Watson is obviously the most talented, but TBD if he can sustain health and grow as a recevier.
Heath has a place on this team too. Doubs might be no better than 4.
With as hot as Watson can get, if this team maintains health and trajectory, they have a really, really bright future.
True...
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2023, 09:27:45 AM
He used to cheerlead for Rogers and Farve and now he hates the Pakcers
If Doubs is a #4, that's a really great receiving core.
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 04, 2023, 10:13:39 AM
Kraft has some Kittle to his game. Obviously no comparisons at this stage in his career, but he doesn't wow you with athleticism like Musgrave does, but there are a lot of little things that are starting to add up.
As far as receivers, I think Reed, Wicks are your two purest receivers in the long run. Watson is obviously the most talented, but TBD if he can sustain health and grow as a recevier.
Heath has a place on this team too. Doubs might be no better than 4.
With as hot as Watson can get, if this team maintains health and trajectory, they have a really, really bright future.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 04, 2023, 10:47:10 AM
If Doubs is a #4, that's a really great receiving core.
First time in a while that finding a receiver in the draft won't be important.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/06/packers-film-room-jordan-love-breaks-down-improbable-fourth-down-completion-to-romeo-doubs-vs-chiefs/
Christian Watson out ; Hamstring.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/09/packers-will-be-without-wr-christian-watson-vs-giants/
Win tonight. Make the next few weeks fascinating.
Quote from: tower912 on December 11, 2023, 08:17:11 AM
Win tonight. Make the next few weeks fascinating.
DeVito probably throws for 400 yards tonight making him a NYC legend for a week or so. A week after beating KC, followed up by a loss to this Giants team is sort of how the NFL is playing out this year
Aaron Jones out (Knee).
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/category/latest-packers-news/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2023, 08:46:44 AM
DeVito probably throws for 400 yards tonight making him a NYC legend for a week or so. A week after beating KC, followed up by a loss to this Giants team is sort of how the NFL is playing out this year
I've been wrong plenty but I really think GB wins by two scores tonight. Seems like the staff, Love, and some of the other young guys have figured some things out.
Will be interesting to see how the wind speed affects the game.
If passing is too hazardous, not having Aaron Jones may be greatly missed.
JaIRe Alexander and Quay Walker out again
Why did they blow that play dead on the offsides?
That PI call was interesting
Not suspicious at all
Ah, the dumbest team in football is back tonight
4ever is playing?
We've been the recipient of a lot of bad calls favoring us this year. More than makes up for those against us.
Just got another one.
1. Why didn't the Giants challenge that spot?
2. What the hell was Kayvon doing for the Giants on that TD run?
The dumb has transferred
Each team got a phantom first down tonight. Packers just did something with theirs.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2023, 07:52:48 PM
1. Why didn't the Giants challenge that spot?
2. What the hell was Kayvon doing for the Giants on that TD run?
The dumb has transferred
My guess is that the league did a quick review so I don't think the Giants could.
Not very sharp night for Love
Bad Jordan Love tonight. Can't make that throw in the wind
Education for a young QB. Playing in Green Bay, going to have to learn to adjust to a cold wind.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2023, 07:52:48 PM
1. Why didn't the Giants challenge that spot?
2. What the hell was Kayvon doing for the Giants on that TD run?
The dumb has transferred
Booth reviewed. All turnovers.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on December 11, 2023, 08:50:25 PM
Booth reviewed. All turnovers.
Didn't realize that on 4th downs
I'm pretty sure the third down play before field goal would've been intercepted I had it not got tipped at the line.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 11, 2023, 08:53:19 PM
I'm pretty sure the third down play before field goal would've been intercepted I had it not got tipped at the line.
Sure looked like it
🤦🏻♂️
Pathetic
Young team coming off a couple big wins decides they just have to show up.
Back to a love shiit show, unmotivated team, specialty team mistakes.
And Aikman loves it.
Is Kenny Clark active tonight?
Love Stinks...
So much stupidity in this game.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 11, 2023, 09:14:05 PM
So much stupidity in this game.
Was a lot of dumb/bad football yesterday, too.
Are punt return guys the stupidest guys on any football field??
What the hell was Reed doing? That's a corner route, lol
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2023, 09:17:39 PM
What the hell was Reed doing? That's a corner route, lol
Love finally makes a good throw,...
Devito sacked a ton the last two games. Tonight he looks like Fran Fuccking Tarkenton. Thanks JBC.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 11, 2023, 09:23:52 PM
Devito sacked a ton the last two games. Tonight he looks like Fran Fuccking Tarkenton. Thanks JBC.
They're rushing without lane discipline. That's not Carrol's fault.
Yup, one of those nights
Campbell on Robinson in coverage is a choice.
Lafluer getting jobbed by Daboll two years in a row. And with a scrub QB.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 11, 2023, 09:29:36 PM
Campbell on Robinson in coverage is a choice.
DC having a bad half.
Kicker sucks again, too
Carlson had to make sure to throw his hat in the (circus) ring
Actually embarrassed for the Packers tonight. Wont have to worry about making the playoffs.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2023, 09:31:10 PM
DC having a bad half.
He'll be cut this off-season. Him and Bahk will open some cap room.
Quote from: Jockey on December 11, 2023, 09:47:48 PM
He'll be cut this off-season. Him and Bahk will open some cap room.
Could anders Carlson join them?
Imagine that dude with a playoff game on the line
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 11, 2023, 09:50:09 PM
Imagine that dude with a playoff game on the line
Some people think he's the best player on the team
Ok, that's a big boy kick
This game is blackout drunk
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2023, 09:59:17 PM
Ok, that's a big boy kick
It was a good kick. But he is also a slight breeze from being 1/4 on the night.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 11, 2023, 10:04:59 PM
This game is blackout drunk
It's amazing that ratings are up when half the games are clown shows like this.
Absolutely comical that the ref took 20 minutes to get up and then has to make the call. Unreal catch by Heath
I'm screaming at the TV "don't run it".
Oh well. Go to the play that has been blown up about 5 yards in a row.
Fire Joe Barry Carroll NOW!
Packers defense is a joke. Fire JBC
Keisan Nixon going to have a long flight home
Prevent defense with no pressure on the QB with the game on the line.
A joke.
All 3 facets of the game were a coaching malfeasance
Special teams penalties and the fumbled punt
Too cute play calling
Defensive chicken shnizzle the second half
MLF is like me finding a play I like in Madden with the Reed running plays.
Matty is just mad he can't call another jet sweep tonight
Boy are we finding out that Nixon was a fart in the wind.
Embarrassing loss. Giants suck. Time to move on from Love, LaFluer, and JBC
Pretty piss poor effort tonight.
A young team finding out they can't just show up and get a win.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 11, 2023, 10:28:24 PM
Embarrassing loss. Giants suck. Time to move on from Love, LaFluer, and JBC
Cmon. They're not moving on from Love and LeFleur.
Barry? I hope but doubtful.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 11, 2023, 10:31:51 PM
Cmon. They're not moving on from Love and LeFleur.
Barry? I hope but doubtful.
Last place schedule still in play if they play their cards right
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2023, 10:23:13 PM
Keisan Nixon going to have a long flight home
His ass should be cut. Move on. He hasn't covered all year. His only value is if he's making big returns, which he hasn't done all year.
We're finding out why he was an unwanted, minimum salary FA in '22 that even the crappy Raiders didn't want anymore.
You lost to Tommy fuccking Devito on his third start, really?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 11, 2023, 10:31:51 PM
Cmon. They're not moving on from Love and LeFleur.
Barry? I hope but doubtful.
They just never keep other teams running slightly under control with Barry. Every blessed week they just get gashed defending the run. That points to one guy.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 11, 2023, 10:36:40 PM
You lost to Tommy fuccking Devito on his third start, really?
It's like you've never watched a young football team before. I remember Aaron Rodgers losing to a truly awful Jags team quarterbacked by David Garrard. This is what happens.
I will give Love some credit. As awful as he was all night with accuracy, decisions, etc., he didn't let it shake his confidence to make a couple of really nice throws to Heath that were not easy.
A bright spot for him in an otherwise terrible performance. But successful qb's have to have that bounce back ability regardless what's happened in the game.
So we should celebrate that our QB got to learn 3 years under Rodgers and play 13 games and lose to a QB who was not drafted and amazing in his 3rd start.
EMBARRASING
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 11, 2023, 10:41:44 PM
It's like you've never watched a young football team before. I remember Aaron Rodgers losing to a truly awful Jags team quarterbacked by David Garrard. This is what happens.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 11, 2023, 10:27:09 PM
Matty is just mad he can't call another jet sweep tonight
The two pt conversion attempt the Giants knew that was coming. Terrible play call there.
Not to mention, just plain difficult for that to work at the goal line even if the opponent is fooled by the call.
LaFleur was as awful as everyone else was tonight.
Packers have room for improvement.
EMBARRSING LOSS, almost little Marq's effort against Bucky.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 11, 2023, 10:57:38 PM
EMBARRSING LOSS, almost little Marq's effort against Bucky.
I hate em with every fiber, but on a relative basis Bucky is a LOT better than the New York football Giants, especially one being QBed by a walk on.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 11, 2023, 10:46:38 PM
So we should celebrate that our QB got to learn 3 years under Rodgers and play 13 games and lose to a QB who was not drafted and amazing in his 3rd start.
EMBARRASING
I agree, Love had terrible coverage on the final drive - put a real damper on his GW drive.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 11, 2023, 10:46:38 PM
So we should celebrate that our QB got to learn 3 years under Rodgers and play 13 games and lose to a QB who was not drafted and amazing in his 3rd start.
EMBARRASING
Good lord. Where did I say they should "celebrate" anything?
LaFleur just called another WR sweep...
Looks like Reed had space there
Middle of the field always wide open against the Packers
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2023, 12:36:46 PM
Middle of the field always wide open against the Packers
Every pass play has been to an uncovered receiver except for the screen pass.
Quote from: Jockey on December 17, 2023, 12:38:42 PM
Every pass play has been to an uncovered receiver except for the screen pass.
Hard to guard the high octane Buccs offense
The Nixon era coming to a close soon.
Security should walk Joe Barry Carroll out of the stadium now while a win is still in reach.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 17, 2023, 01:44:06 PM
The Nixon era coming to a close soon.
Yup. After LT, cornerback and safety are the biggest needs in the draft.
What can you do? Baker Mayfield is a magician
Heckuva drive by 10, aina? Sadly, the defense has to come back out
Reed has been an excellent draft choice for The Packers.
Packers D is a joke. Way to many wide open receivers.
Absolutely laughable seeing Campbell get matched up with Godwin in the slot. If I'm Tampa I'm just running slot seams all game.
Baker Mayfield 20-26, 318, 3TDs
If Bryce Young is ever going to have a breakout game, it's next week
JBC needs to go.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 17, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
Absolutely laughable seeing Campbell get matched up with Godwin in the slot. If I'm Tampa I'm just running slot seams all game.
The defensive genius in the booth thought he could trick the Bucs by making it look too easy.
Dear lord another wide open throw down the middle where it's only Quay and Campbell
Absolutely pathetic
JBC tricked 'em again.
The linebackers are so bad. Quay Walker is terrible.
Baker Mayfield has a perfect QB rating and has thrown for 381 yards and 4 TDs. Bake freaking Mayfield
Just like he did with the Panthers.
Fun couple weeks against the lions and chiefs
With the game on the line, Bowles blitzes. JBC rushes 3 and drops to a zone with no one in the middle.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 17, 2023, 02:41:09 PM
Fun couple weeks against the lions and chiefs
The good news is, they can still get that last place schedule and a better draft pick on which Gutes will pick the worst possible player from Georgia
Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2023, 02:38:10 PM
Just like he did with the Panthers.
Young should have a career game next week.
Baker Mayfield did not have room for improvement
Packers have room for improvement
Just embarrassing effort on D.
Quote from: Jockey on December 17, 2023, 02:42:24 PM
With the game on the line, Bowles blitzes. JBC rushes 3 and drops to a zone with no one in the middle.
Yep. How many times was Tampa in a 3rd and 4 about today and finding the Packers in a soft zone playing well off the receivers. Even Mayfield is going to pick that apart.
Barry is terrible and LaFleur a clown for keeping him. This is his staff. Just like he wouldn't fire Drayton.
And LB's continue to cover WR's...
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 17, 2023, 09:04:51 PM
Yep. How many times was Tampa in a 3rd and 4 about today and finding the Packers in a soft zone playing well off the receivers. Even Mayfield is going to pick that apart.
Barry is terrible and LaFleur a clown for keeping him. This is his staff. Just like he wouldn't fire Drayton.
Offenses use motion and scheme to get those match ups. Much like in basketball where the pick and roll is used to get mismatches.
I've been whining about Joe Barry Carroll calling zone defenses all year. According to Next Gen Stats, Mayfield went 20-of-24 for 361 yards and three touchdowns against zone coverage.
And JBC stuck with it. Coaching genius!
He had a proven record as a bad coordinator before coming to GB. he has built on that legacy.
Quote from: Jockey on December 17, 2023, 01:44:25 PM
Security should walk Joe Barry Carroll out of the stadium now while a win is still in reach.
Did I miss something? What's the Carroll? An homage to notable Packers disappointment Ahmad Carroll?
Purdue Center and NBA player of the 80s and 90s.
Is joe barry the wojo of the packers?
Quote from: #UnleashSean on December 18, 2023, 11:18:51 AM
Is joe barry the wojo of the packers?
I think it's just part of being the DC of the Packers.
Quote from: jficke13 on December 18, 2023, 10:54:27 AM
Did I miss something? What's the Carroll? An homage to notable Packers disappointment Ahmad Carroll?
Joe Barry Carroll was a very good college and NBA center (20 ppg and 8.5 rb in his first 6 NBA seasons).
But he was always considered a disappointment because of his high skill level - people thought he should dominate. Often criticized for his effort. Nicknames included "Joe Barely Cares" or "Just Barely Carroll."
Feel like if Barry was getting canned it would've happened today.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 18, 2023, 02:45:58 PM
Feel like if Barry was getting canned it would've happened today.
I'm expecting MLF to keep him through the end of the year. That seems to be the way he does things. Also, I think Barry's contract is up after this year. May be easy for all parties to have a clean break.
Yeah he just said in his press conference he's not going to fire him.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/19/miscommunication-at-root-of-packers-defensive-issues-starts-with-coaching/
Defense was the primary cause of the TB loss.
But credit Baker Mayfield. He put the ball where it had to be.
Little Flower backing up JBC and blaming players, then he can go too..
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 19, 2023, 07:29:20 AM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/19/miscommunication-at-root-of-packers-defensive-issues-starts-with-coaching/
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 19, 2023, 11:29:19 AM
Little Flower backing up JBC and blaming players, then he can go too..
I read it was mostly blaming the coaching staff for not setting the players up for success by having poor communication.
I chuckled when MLF mentioned the soft zones on 3rd and 3/4. Like those aren't half the reason people want Barry gone and are all too common.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 19, 2023, 07:53:50 AM
Defense was the primary cause of the TB loss.
But credit Baker Mayfield. He put the ball where it had to be.
Every NFL QB ( and backup) can hit wide open receivers. I read that the AVERAGE distance of the nearest GB defender on pass plays was 4.7 yards.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 19, 2023, 11:46:13 AM
I read it was mostly blaming the coaching staff for not setting the players up for success by having poor communication.
I chuckled when MLF mentioned the soft zones on 3rd and 3/4. Like those aren't half the reason people want Barry gone and are all too common.
I see a different reason why he didn't fire JBC, and it is rather ominous.
He would have to be replaced by someone already on the defensive staff and maybe Matt didn't think any of the assistants were up to the task. I would certainly concur with that especially watching how bad the communication was and how many times that guys were completely out of position.
Jaire and De'vondre spicing things up
Lotsa speculation on JBC's job security, but knot sure MLF's return iz a given, aina?
Quote from: Jockey on December 19, 2023, 11:47:19 AM
Every NFL QB ( and backup) can hit wide open receivers. I read that the AVERAGE distance of the nearest GB defender on pass plays was 4.7 yards.
So every QB that's played against GB this year has had a perfect QB rating? That has to be a record, a'ina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 19, 2023, 06:54:19 PM
Lotsa speculation on JBC's job security, but knot sure MLF's return iz a given, aina?
Not sure about that, but I'd be fine with it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 20, 2023, 06:45:09 AM
Not sure about that, but I'd be fine with it.
I think he gets another year. Although, if he tries to bring Barry back, he probably should be gone.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 20, 2023, 07:56:24 AM
I think he gets another year. Although, if he tries to bring Barry back, he probably should be gone.
Yeah this is where I am.
Some quality players should be playing versus Panthers
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/22/packers-expecting-to-have-both-aaron-jones-and-a-j-dillon-vs-panthers/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/22/packers-hopeful-cb-jaire-alexander-will-play-vs-panthers/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/23/packers-panthers-preview-defense-chuba-hubbard-tj-slaton-joe-barry/
Movable object against the Resistible Force
Packers defense against the Panthers offense with a side of a terrible Packers special teams
I think it's in Kraft's contract to attempt a hurdle on every catch.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 24, 2023, 12:18:56 PM
I think it's in Kraft's contract to attempt a hurdle on every catch.
lol came here to post the same thing.
Shocked that young found a wide open TE down the middle of the field for a big gain.
One quarter = 3 major STs mistakes.
And giving up easy third and longs to a rookie QB. Hmmm....
Zero sacks against the QB who has been sacked the most in the league. Hmmm
JBC blows.
I read JBC's lips when they showed him. I swear he said, "leave the middle open".
You can't expect to slow down the Panthers all game with the collection of playmakers they have
Color guy is 1 for2 with his musical references.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 24, 2023, 12:49:06 PM
And giving up easy third and longs to a rookie QB. Hmmm....
Zero sacks against the QB who has been sacked the most in the league. Hmmm
JBC blows.
I thought we had a sack on the first drive.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 24, 2023, 01:07:06 PM
I thought we had a sack on the first drive.
They did. Young missed some throws on that drive that were open.
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 11, 2023, 01:52:27 PM
Packers have to make decision on Jordan Love fifth year shortly after the NFL draft .
I hope they can find another team willing to trade for him .
There are plenty of proven quarterbacks out there
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/07/jordan-loves-fifth-year-option-worth-20-27-million-in-2024/
Lol
I really like Love, but worried he's getting a little lucky with balls across the middle. He is lucky some of his WRs aren't getting laid out.
This is shaping up to be Joe Barry's Mona Lisa.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 24, 2023, 02:50:43 PM
This is shaping up to be Joe Barry's Mona Lisa.
Refused to rush more than 4.
Drop into a zone.
But this is 100% on MLF. He looked at the collapse of his defense and said let's keep doing what we're doing.
Trade Jaire for a bag of donuts
Excellent game winner for Carlson
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 24, 2023, 02:50:43 PM
This is shaping up to be Joe Barry's Mona Lisa.
Season high points for the panthers
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 24, 2023, 03:07:53 PM
Excellent game winner for Carlson
Thanks to the QB you wanted traded
Joe Barry Carroll tried to choke again. Rush 3 and play zone to give Carolina a chance.
As bad as JBC was the last 2 weeks, this was worse.
Would have been the #1 all time GB choke.
The rush on the second to last play made the Pro Bowl look intense.
DeVito.
Mayberry.
Young.
I assume the GB realtors are like buzzards waiting to get listing for JBC's house in GB...
Quote from: Jockey on December 24, 2023, 03:13:31 PM
Joe Barry Carroll tried to choke again. Rush 3 and play zone to give Carolina a chance.
As bad as JBC was the last 2 weeks, this was worse.
Would have been the #1 all time GB choke.
Based on his resume, I bet he rents rather than buys.
In the final 2 games, Love needs 413 yards and 3 TDs for a 4,000 yard, 30 TD season.
The Bears have never had either.
Love will have done this with the youngest receiver group in NFL history
Quote from: Jockey on December 24, 2023, 07:25:58 PM
In the final 2 games, Love needs 413 yards and 3 TDs for a 4,000 yard, 30 TD season.
The Bears have never had either.
Love will have done this with the youngest receiver group in NFL history
Love has great harmony with his receiver core . Hopefully Watson and Reed are back foe the next two games .
Quote from: Jockey on December 24, 2023, 07:25:58 PM
In the final 2 games, Love needs 413 yards and 3 TDs for a 4,000 yard, 30 TD season.
The Bears have never had either.
Love will have done this with the youngest receiver group in NFL history
Do you think the Packers should trade him?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 24, 2023, 07:41:02 PM
Do you think the Packers should trade him?
For a used jockstrap.
Quote from: Jockey on December 24, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
For Fields
Or Mullens. Or Dobbs. Or Zach Wilson. Maybe Arod wants to come back. Mac Jones?
Love was healthy all year. In his first year as a starter. Continued to improve and put up some excellent numbers. Like it or not, the number of available upgrades are few. Get some o-line help and some defensive playmakers.
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2023, 09:26:50 PM
Or Mullens. Or Dobbs. Or Zach Wilson. Maybe Arod wants to come back. Mac Jones?
Love was healthy all year. In his first year as a starter. Continued to improve and put up some excellent numbers. Like it or not, the number of available upgrades are few. Get some o-line help and some defensive playmakers.
Completely agree. At the start of the year, I thought he would be a bust. But I think he will be starting in GB for years to come.
Was traveling all day so missed this game. Looks like Bryce Young had his career day, so thanks to the Packers for that. But the Panthers are still the Panthers, so you're welcome to all Packer backers.
Aaron Rodgers looking to bring talent to Jets
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39164677/aaron-rodgers-new-york-jets-recruit-davante-adams-2024
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39179654/packers-get-dude-aaron-jones-back-just
As I said, I didn't see the game, but the Panthers are whining about getting hosed by the refs all day, especially on a couple of key calls at the end.
True, or just a bunch of whiny losers sounding like whiny losers?
Quote from: MU82 on December 24, 2023, 10:17:53 PM
Was traveling all day so missed this game. Looks like Bryce Young had his career day, so thanks to the Packers for that. But the Panthers are still the Panthers, so you're welcome to all Packer backers.
I didn't see one play either, but thank you that your Panthers drove either another or maybe the final nail in the coffin of Joe Barry's awful tenure as our d-coordinator. Not trying to sound like an a-hole but your Panthers offensive struggles are well documented so a bright spot yesterday for them I am very pleased with.
Quote from: MU82 on December 25, 2023, 07:31:02 AM
As I said, I didn't see the game, but the Panthers are whining about getting hosed by the refs all day, especially on a couple of key calls at the end.
True, or just a bunch of whiny losers sounding like whiny losers?
Couple marginal calls. No more than usual.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 25, 2023, 07:41:34 AM
I didn't see one play either, but thank you that your Panthers drove either another or maybe the final nail in the coffin of Joe Barry's awful tenure as our d-coordinator. Not trying to sound like an a-hole but your Panthers offensive struggles are well documented so a bright spot yesterday for them I am very pleased with.
Calling the Panthers' offense "struggling" is not an insult to me or even them. It's just a fact!
I'm sure they're glad to help you get a new DC.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 25, 2023, 08:12:37 AM
Couple marginal calls. No more than usual.
You know me ... I don't think refs calls decide outcomes 99.99% of the time. I mean, how about don't fall behind by 2 touchdowns and have to go into desperation mode?
Just saying that folks here are talking about bad calls. Since writing that first email, I watched a couple of key plays on replay. The catch on 3rd-and-4 on the winning drive ... looked like a possible blown call but not sure how reviews could overturn call on the field. The spike at the end ... maybe there was a second left and maybe not, maybe the Packers held Thielen to prevent him from handing the ball to the umpire a second quicker but that happens all the time.
I mean it's the Carolina Panthers. They have like five fans. Who really cares.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 25, 2023, 10:32:35 AM
I mean it's the Carolina Panthers. They have like five fans. Who really cares.
As 20% of the fanbase, I do! (Actually, even I don't really care that much these days.)
Normal calls for a game predominantly attended by packer fans.
Dez caught it.
Quote from: MU82 on December 25, 2023, 10:30:26 AM
maybe the Packers held Thielen to prevent him from handing the ball to the umpire a second quicker but that happens all the time.
This is why I want the clock to stop until the ball is set on first downs with 2 minutes left.
This kind of crap happens all the time. A game should not be won or lost because dudes are on the ground holding the ball, or the refs take a second to long to set the ball.
What a sad shell of himself Jaire has become.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2023, 12:00:27 PM
What a sad shell of himself Jaire has become.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/packers-suspend-jaire-alexander-coin-toss-debacle
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 27, 2023, 12:00:27 PM
What a sad shell of himself Jaire has become.
I mean, Rasul, DeVondre, and now Jaire have all had problems with the coaches this year.
Should tell you plenty.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 28, 2023, 07:40:59 AM
I mean, Rasul, DeVondre, and now Jaire have all had problems with the coaches this year.
Should tell you plenty.
Every team has its loose cannons when you're carrying over 60 guys between the 53 and practice squad. But I agree it may well be something bigger than just that going on with the Packers. If LaFleur had a strong handle over the locker room, I don't think Alexander pulls what he did.
Which is weird because he has the reputation of actually being very good in the locker room. The fact that all of these conflicts are with members of the defense, and his failure to deal with that on a coaching level last year, is his biggest issue IMO. Continuously playing this passive style and getting roasted both on the field and in the media can't feel great as a player.
I can't see anyway that Joe Barry is back next year. I wouldn't mind taking a look at Al Harris down in Dallas even though he hasn't been coaching for a long time. Their backfield has been sensational with him as their DB coach and that Quinn type of defense is I think more what the Packers should be playing anyway.
And this is what I don't understand about the Barry hire. The job was originally offered to Jim Leonhard, who clearly comes from the Rex Ryan philosophy, yet Barry's is completely different. It felt like the organization wasn't on the same page regarding what they wanted on the defensive side of the ball and this type of chaos is what resulted.
https://twitter.com/IKE_Packers/status/1740131390501355843?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1740131390501355843%7Ctwgr%5E18df20fabc32f416fb45554763b61dc1b70e1df7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jsonline.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fpackers%2F2023%2F12%2F27%2Fgreen-bay-packers-suspend-jaire-alexander-pat-mcafee-show-jj-watt-aj-hawk-nfl-world-react%2F72041118007%2F
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 28, 2023, 08:01:29 AM
Which is weird because he has the reputation of actually being very good in the locker room. The fact that all of these conflicts are with members of the defense, and his failure to deal with that on a coaching level last year, is his biggest issue IMO. Continuously playing this passive style and getting roasted both on the field and in the media can't feel great as a player.
I can't see anyway that Joe Barry is back next year. I wouldn't mind taking a look at Al Harris down in Dallas even though he hasn't been coaching for a long time. Their backfield has been sensational with him as their DB coach and that Quinn type of defense is I think more what the Packers should be playing anyway.
And this is what I don't understand about the Barry hire. The job was originally offered to Jim Leonhard, who clearly comes from the Rex Ryan philosophy, yet Barry's is completely different. It felt like the organization wasn't on the same page regarding what they wanted on the defensive side of the ball and this type of chaos is what resulted.
Not only does it not feel good, it will end up affecting them financially. Two Pro Bowl players have looked pretty bad because the scheme is... outdated and also terrible.
Barry should have never been hired after he helped coach a team that went 0-16. I screamed about it when they hired him. Barry's results speak for themselves, and now he has unruly players.
I GET not firing him, but if there isn't accountability for for performance from staff... it's hard to punish players and look like a serious front office.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 28, 2023, 09:12:53 AM
Not only does it not feel good, it will end up affecting them financially. Two Pro Bowl players have looked pretty bad because the scheme is... outdated and also terrible.
Barry should have never been hired after he helped coach a team that went 0-16. I screamed about it when they hired him. Barry's results speak for themselves, and now he has unruly players.
I GET not firing him, but if there isn't accountability for for performance from staff... it's hard to punish players and look like a serious front office.
What do you get? Defensive players are in rebellion and you don't understand why he should be fired..., yesterday?
As I said earlier, MLF is a great OC as a head coach. He is not a CEO.
I think he means he gets why MLF shouldn't be fired. And I don't think he should.
Quote from: Jockey on December 28, 2023, 11:06:55 AM
What do you get? Defensive players are in rebellion and you don't understand why he should be fired..., yesterday?
As I said earlier, MLF is a great OC as a head coach. He is not a CEO.
Joe Barry should have been fired into the sun
last year. They're not firing him for the rest of year because the scheme would be the same and no one on the defensive side will likely be back next year. Also, I don't disagree with you. I think NOT firing Joe Barry sends a bad message to the players and the fans.
MLF is in charge of his coordinators, that isn't a Mark Murphy or Brian Gutekunst decision. It's Matt's. He needs to be smarter in the future because he isn't looking like a head coach or leader right now.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 28, 2023, 11:15:30 AM
I think he means he gets why MLF shouldn't be fired. And I don't think he should.
Aaah. I thought he meant JBC.
I agree. I would not fire MLF. But, I think Gutey does need to sit him down this offseason and work on the leadership aspect of being a HC.
This is a very important off-season. Some vets need to go and the draft should be a bonanza (1st, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths). More youth next year. The HC needs to establish a team wide culture - something that he hasn't done a lot of, IMO.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 28, 2023, 11:37:16 AM
Joe Barry should have been fired into the sun last year. They're not firing him for the rest of year because the scheme would be the same and no one on the defensive side will likely be back next year. Also, I don't disagree with you. I think NOT firing Joe Barry sends a bad message to the players and the fans.
MLF is in charge of his coordinators, that isn't a Mark Murphy or Brian Gutekunst decision. It's Matt's. He needs to be smarter in the future because he isn't looking like a head coach or leader right now.
I agree with all of your post.
I think the optics of a head coaching change would be bad around the league, but I'm not opposed.
Outsider's view and all... But I think having 12 hanging over every decision, often changing plays, etc. has limited the amount of authority MLF has been able to enact. He was often too deferential to the quarterback and I'm not sure he's found his footing again. Which with such a young group makes me nervous.
Then there's the issue of hiring his buddies and not being quick enough to make a change when they suck as coordinators...
The only "buddy" I see remaining is Tom Clements, who I think has been instrumental to the growth of Jordan Love.
Chit can MLF and hire T-Cube's BIL, hey?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 28, 2023, 06:45:33 PM
The only "buddy" I see remaining is Tom Clements, who I think has been instrumental to the growth of Jordan Love.
I think he meant MLF's buddies. I'm not sure how many of his hires have been objectively bad hires at the time, but he coached with them before other than Barry.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/31/vikings-kick-and-punt-return-units-present-tall-task-for-packers-special-teams/
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 31, 2023, 01:27:32 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/31/vikings-kick-and-punt-return-units-present-tall-task-for-packers-special-teams/
What drivel!
Every team presents a big challenge for GBs Special Teams.
Panthers are into the 4th and have 26 net passing yards. Feels like that should be an indictment of something
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 31, 2023, 02:16:56 PM
Panthers are into the 4th and have 26 net passing yards. Feels like that should be an indictment of something
And Devito is benched.
Defense has quit playing for JBC completely. Hopefully they clean house on the defensive side of the ball. Half the starters should be gone.
Mason misses two huge kicks that would have let the Packers control (piss away) their own destiny.
Telling myself it's all worth it when Barry is banished to a Russian high rise.
Packers could finish last in the division. Finish third and the Jets come to town next year. 😬😬😬
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 31, 2023, 03:17:00 PM
Packers could finish last in the division. Finish third and the Jets come to town next year. 😬😬😬
1. Want them to win tonight. Make next week matter is good for them experience wise
2. But, if they lose, and end up in last, last place schedule next year is nice
Panthers score zero today after scoring 30 on the Packers. Hopefully little flower can fire his buddy JBC.
Packers need this win tonight . Otherwise the final game with Bears becomes the Toilet Bowl
Remember that time Christian Watson was active for a game?
Remember the last time Christian Watson actually started a game but pulled a hammy in the game?
Porcelain doll...
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 31, 2023, 06:39:49 PM
Remember that time Christian Watson was active for a game?
Of course Crosby misses a FG for NYG that would have given the Packers control of their playoff destiny.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 31, 2023, 06:45:52 PM
Of course Crosby misses a FG for NYG that would have given the Packers control of their playoff destiny.
Thanks to the Steelers, I think we do now.
The Packers control their destiny. Impressive for a team with a terrible coach, terrible defensive coordinator, terrible quarterback, and terrible players.
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2023, 06:54:07 PM
The Packers control their destiny. Impressive for a team with a terrible coach, terrible defensive coordinator, terrible quarterback, and terrible players.
The DC is definitely terrible
Reed is a fun player to watch. Excellent draft choice .
That Vikings FG would have been good from 64
Old enough to remember people saying the kicker was the best player on the Packers.
Beautiful Catch and run by Reed
Love looks so much more comfortable the second half of the season. It's been fun to watch him develop. Although, it would have been nice to have that 4th down throw back.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 31, 2023, 08:50:10 PM
Love looks so much more comfortable the second half of the season. It's been fun to watch him develop. Although, it would have been nice to have that 4th down throw back.
Hard to believe Herm wanted to trade him.
QB is set in Green Bay for awhile
Anyone want to pull receipts?
Win and in against Chicago at Lambeau. Good for Green Bay.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 31, 2023, 08:50:10 PM
Love looks so much more comfortable the second half of the season. It's been fun to watch him develop. Although, it would have been nice to have that 4th down throw back.
Game has slowed down for Love. Teammates have confidence in him.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 31, 2023, 09:39:19 PM
Game has slowed down for Love. Teammates have confidence in him.
Remember when you said they should trade him?
Great defensive effort today. I'd give Joe Barry some more run.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2023, 09:28:32 PM
QB is set in Green Bay for awhile
Anyone want to pull receipts?
It's been fun to watch things start to click for him.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 31, 2023, 09:45:24 PM
It's been fun to watch things start to click for him.
Yeah, he's been so much better since the end of October. Not sure what changed.
I'll say this, the o-line has been as good as Love since November 1st and that helps a lot. Luke Butkus and Adam Stenavich have done some work
That Jack Links ad was crazy on Peacock
Who else had Bo Melton as the first Packers WR to hit the 100 yard mark in a game this season
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 01, 2024, 08:00:52 AM
Who else had Bo Melton as the first Packers WR to hit the 100 yard mark in a game this season
This more than anything is why Love's work seems sustainable. It's not like he had his entire supporting cast the last half of the year.
He was arguably without his 2 best WRs, his 3rd went out with injury, plus his starting TE. This stretch has seen him without his RB1, throwing to 1st and 2nd year UDFAs.
If the Packers win, they are in. Assuming that...
Rams beat SF, GB is the seven seed.
Rams lose, GB is the 6 seed.
Why this years Packers Win and Get in game could be different than last years
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39222413/why-packers-win-get-game-different-jordan-love-chicago-bears-playoffs
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/02/matt-lafleur-facing-bears-in-season-finale-will-be-tremendous-challenge-for-packers/
From The Athletic:
When the Packers played the Vikings in Week 8, Brian Flores and his unique blitzing defense had Love flummoxed. Love completed less than 60 percent of his passes, threw an interception and was sacked four times. The Packers only scored 10 points.
This week, Love completed 72 percent of his passes and threw three touchdown passes, he wasn't intercepted or sacked once, and the Packers scored 33 points. The game showcased how much Love has progressed this season but LaFleur aided his young quarterback with an excellent gameplan that attacked areas that they weren't able to take advantage of in their first matchup. For example, they were highly efficient on rhythm throws to outside breaking routes.
Love also took advantage of the Vikings' defense by standing strong in the pocket while quickly getting through his progressions on vertical concepts.
On several plays in this game, Love threw deep off his back foot. The Packers likely knew that they could pop some receivers wide open if they could buy some time. Love trusted the game plan and executed at a high level. He's made some massive strives throughout the season.
Stoopid Packers. Shoulda traded this garbage QB for a box o' rox when they had the chance.
This is reason number one why I don't think the Packers should (or will) move on from MLF. In fact the notion is very silly regardless of what happens Sunday. Love has developed significantly under him (and Tom Clements, who I hope sticks around forever) and they have developed game plans against both Detroit and Minnesota to take advantage of what gave them trouble before.
Yeah I think they need a new defensive coordinator. Pretty sure that won't happen if they finish 9-8 though.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 04, 2024, 09:07:26 AM
This is reason number one why I don't think the Packers should (or will) move on from MLF. In fact the notion is very silly regardless of what happens Sunday. Love has developed significantly under him (and Tom Clements, who I hope sticks around forever) and they have developed game plans against both Detroit and Minnesota to take advantage of what gave them trouble before.
Yeah I think they need a new defensive coordinator. Pretty sure that won't happen if they finish 9-8 though.
MLF is going nowhere, as you say.
But Barry is gone. MLF is just a year too late - as he was with ST
Quote from: Jockey on January 04, 2024, 09:21:44 AM
MLF is going nowhere, as you say.
But Barry is gone. MLF is just a year too late - as he was with ST
IMHO they should conduct a thorough top to bottom review of the defensive coaching staff and special teams as well. Unless they catch lightning in a bottle and with the superbowl (they will not), then I would be in favor of moving on from Barry and potentially letting his replacement clean house down staff. Similarly, I'm not convinced the efforts taken to date to fix ST have borne fruit, and I wouldn't be averse to moving in a different direction there as well.
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2024, 08:15:17 AM
From The Athletic:
When the Packers played the Vikings in Week 8, Brian Flores and his unique blitzing defense had Love flummoxed. Love completed less than 60 percent of his passes, threw an interception and was sacked four times. The Packers only scored 10 points.
This week, Love completed 72 percent of his passes and threw three touchdown passes, he wasn't intercepted or sacked once, and the Packers scored 33 points. The game showcased how much Love has progressed this season but LaFleur aided his young quarterback with an excellent gameplan that attacked areas that they weren't able to take advantage of in their first matchup. For example, they were highly efficient on rhythm throws to outside breaking routes.
Love also took advantage of the Vikings' defense by standing strong in the pocket while quickly getting through his progressions on vertical concepts.
On several plays in this game, Love threw deep off his back foot. The Packers likely knew that they could pop some receivers wide open if they could buy some time. Love trusted the game plan and executed at a high level. He's made some massive strives throughout the season.
Stoopid Packers. Shoulda traded this garbage QB for a box o' rox when they had the chance.
Anyone still think Adrian Griffin is tits, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 04, 2024, 06:48:04 PM
Anyone still think Adrian Griffin is tits, hey?
When did the Packers hire him, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 04, 2024, 06:48:04 PM
Anyone still think Adrian Griffin is tits, hey?
1. Who said that?
2. You were screaming non-stop for the Bucks to trade Giannis not long before they won the NBA title.
3. This is the Packers' thread.
4. Why won't Ackman call for his plagiarist wife to resign?
Hey?
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2024, 09:05:18 PM
1. Who said that?
2. You were screaming non-stop for the Bucks to trade Giannis not long before they won the NBA title.
3. This is the Packers' thread.
4. Why won't Ackman call for his plagiarist wife to resign?
Hey?
4ever hates all the Wisconsin teams -Bucks, Brewers, MU, etc.
Don't know why he is even on Scoop other than to troll.
Bucks aren't goin' anywhere with #0, #34, #22, and this coach, aina?
Quote from: Jockey on January 04, 2024, 11:46:05 PM
4ever hates all the Wisconsin teams -Bucks, Brewers, MU, etc.
Don't know why he is even on Scoop other than to troll.
There is a special breed of sports fans that are happiest when their teams lose so they can complain and be right.
I have a friend I regularly attend Bucks and Brewers games with and he's the same way. It's exhausting to be around that kind of negativity. I mean, look at 4elder's activity on the main board. As soon as Marquette has a rough patch, there he is telling everyone this team can't or won't. Take up bingo
What kind of contract extension will Love get this off-season?
My guess is 4 years (give or take) and $35 - $45 Mil. I lean towards the higher figure.
Quote from: Jockey on January 05, 2024, 10:46:12 AM
What kind of contract extension will Love get this off-season?
My guess is 4 years (give or take) and $35 - $45 Mil. I lean towards the higher figure.
He's played well, and doesn't have a lot around him. I think even your high end is very low.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 05, 2024, 11:13:52 AM
He's played well, and doesn't have a lot around him. I think even your high end is very low.
It could be a bit low. Daniel Jones set the bar at $40 mil for a middling QB.
My guess is he gets Daniel Jones or better AAV over about 5 years without a lot of guarantees, with a lot of escalators for performance, and with at least one or two "off ramp" type moments where the team could move on without devastating cap hits or conversely extend and increase guarantees/up front signing $ if warranted.
Quote from: Jockey on January 05, 2024, 11:20:54 AM
It could be a bit low. Daniel Jones set the bar at $40 mil for a middling QB.
Love is significantly better than Daniel Jones.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 05, 2024, 07:32:26 AM
There is a special breed of sports fans that are happiest when their teams lose so they can complain and be right.
I have a friend I regularly attend Bucks and Brewers games with and he's the same way. It's exhausting to be around that kind of negativity. I mean, look at 4elder's activity on the main board. As soon as Marquette has a rough patch, there he is telling everyone this team can't or won't. Take up bingo
The minute I started becoming jaded about sports I took a break until I could enjoy them again. Does watching with hope and optimism result in more disappointment? Of course. But it is no way to live.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 05, 2024, 11:51:27 AM
The minute I started becoming jaded about sports I took a break until I could enjoy them again. Does watching with hope and optimism result in more disappointment? Of course. But it is no way to live.
Expecting a return greater than the investment you put into your sports fandom is a recipe for disappointment.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 05, 2024, 03:22:12 AM
Bucks aren't goin' anywhere with #0, #34, #22, and this coach, aina?
Packers thread.
Quote from: jficke13 on January 05, 2024, 11:26:01 AM
My guess is he gets Daniel Jones or better AAV over about 5 years without a lot of guarantees, with a lot of escalators for performance, and with at least one or two "off ramp" type moments where the team could move on without devastating cap hits or conversely extend and increase guarantees/up front signing $ if warranted.
Yep, agree
Quote from: MU82 on January 05, 2024, 12:14:05 PM
Packers thread.
Throw #11 into da dumper too with the other guys. Terrible roster construction, aina?
Quote from: BM1090 on January 05, 2024, 11:51:27 AM
The minute I started becoming jaded about sports I took a break until I could enjoy them again. Does watching with hope and optimism result in more disappointment? Of course. But it is no way to live.
One of my all time favorite tweets...
https://twitter.com/TylerIAm/status/1173680782281510912?lang=en
Some people call it fair weather, but I agree. One of the healthiest things Ive done is lessen my viewing/investment when a team is in a hopeless stretch. I rarely watched the last 2 years of the John Fox Bears tenure, and I was living in Chicago at the time. I went to every Wojo home game I was in Wisconsin for, but watched less and less road games after 2019. My love of the teams didn't change, but the return was just worth getting annoyed or upset about.
I think those times are what made Shaka's first year, and to a lesser extend the Bears last year, so fun. Reset expectations to just enjoying watching your team and finding positives and being hopeful for fun/good results.
Yeah if you aren't getting joy out of sports, what exactly is the point?
For some it's the misery that's appealing
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 05, 2024, 02:44:10 PM
Yeah if you aren't getting joy out of sports, what exactly is the point?
New here?
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/06/packers-activate-rookie-te-luke-musgrave-from-ir-before-playing-bears/
Sure seemed like Christian Watson was tending towards playing...alas he simply can't be considered remotely close to an impact player until he can prove he can actually get on the field.
Panthers scored 30 against GB. In 7 quarters since, they have scored 0.
Does anyone trust Joe Barry Carroll with the season on the line?
Quote from: Jockey on January 07, 2024, 02:17:30 PM
Panthers scored 30 against GB. In 7 quarters since, they have scored 0.
Does anyone trust Joe Barry Carroll with the season on the line?
Absolutely not
Packers best player is the kicker
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2024, 03:44:59 PM
Packers best player is the kicker
if he doesn't cost them the game today he's definitely going to blow it in the playoffs.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 07, 2024, 03:47:39 PM
if he doesn't cost them the game today he's definitely going to blow it in the playoffs.
Right now, the bears look more like the team that wants to win.
In big games you can't drop passes in the end zone, and miss FGs.
Decision to cut Crosby may be biggest factor if they miss playoffs. What makes it worse is that he wasn't beaten out for the job.
Quote from: Jockey on January 07, 2024, 03:51:03 PM
Decision to cut Crosby may be biggest factor if they miss playoffs. What makes it worse is that he wasn't beaten out for the job.
I was told on Scoop that Carlson was the only player worth not trading for a used bike
I have no idea how this game is going to turn out.
But this offense is going to be good for awhile and Love is going to be a perennial pro bowler
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2024, 03:51:58 PM
I was told on Scoop that Carlson was the only player worth not trading for a used bike
dude could only get it down to the 10 yard line on the last kickoff.
I'd cover DJ Moore on 3rd and 4
Impressed by the passive zone on 3rd down out near the 50.
JBC's calling card.
Quote from: Jockey on January 07, 2024, 04:18:14 PM
Impressed by the passive zone on 3rd down out near the 50.
JBC's calling card.
I dunno. Watching the MLB trail a wide open WR has been working all year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2024, 04:19:28 PM
I dunno. Watching the MLB trail a wide open WR has been working all year
That's what Blake Martinez - I mean Quay Walter - does.
Quote from: Jockey on January 07, 2024, 04:22:30 PM
That's what Blake Martinez - I mean Quay Walter - does.
It was a good play call by Chicago getting Moore lost in the wash but he's like, you know, the Bears best offensive weapon
Just kick the field goal.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 07, 2024, 04:31:18 PM
Just kick the field goal.
Yup. Too many things can go wrong.
That's what happens when you can't trust the kicker
Good response after the end of the first half. Pushed the Bears around on that drive. Pick-6 time, imo
Smart play on STs.
Did I really say that. Good Possibility of lucky rather than smart.
Really bad turnover there.
Bad timing for that one.
Quote from: forgetful on January 07, 2024, 05:10:59 PM
Really bad turnover there.
That's how the Bears have won when they win for the last 75 years. Mediocre offense and the other team misses fgs and turnovers
It could be 20-6 going down for another score. Instead, it is 14-6 with the Bear's having a shot to go down and score.
That pass to Reed on the crossing pattern and the reversed touchdown pass were absolute rockets
Absolute dimes from 10 on that drive.
Cobgratulations to the worst team in NFL history for making the playoffs.
Impressive for a team with a bad coach, bad quarterback, bad line, bad receivers, a bad d coordinator, bad d line, bad linebackers and a bad secondary.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2024, 05:13:04 PM
That's how the Bears have won when they win for the last 75 years. Mediocre offense and the other team misses fgs and turnovers
Yeah, those 85 and 86 Bears only won when the other team missed FGs.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 07, 2024, 05:58:26 PM
Yeah, those 85 and 86 Bears only won when the other team missed FGs.
Congrats on that 1-year
Happy for J Love. Watching his improvement throughout the season has been a lot of fun
Jordan Love is a dude.
Priority for me besides winning was Love's response to being in his 1st big game.
Sadly his rating was only 127.
Jordan Love is very likable. The receivers are growing with him . Happy for his outstanding performance the second half of season and in the clutch today.
The only non-rookie to catch a pass today?
Aaron Jones.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 07, 2024, 06:06:48 PM
Jordan Love is very likable.
Give him time. Favre and Rodgers were likable once, too.
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2024, 05:56:00 PM
Cobgratulations to the worst team in NFL history for making the playoffs.
Impressive for a team with a bad coach, bad quarterback, bad line, bad receivers, a bad d coordinator, bad d line, bad linebackers and a bad secondary.
Rather be the worst team in NFL history making the playoffs versus the best team ever to not make the playoffs.
Quote from: MU82 on January 07, 2024, 06:57:10 PM
Give him time. Favre and Rodgers were likable once, too.
Relationships seem to go south when the team drafts your future replacement.
Would be hilarious if the Packers beat the cowboys and McCarthy got canned.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 07, 2024, 06:59:10 PM
Relationships seem to go south when the team drafts your future replacement.
Eh, Rodgers likability began tanking before that
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 07, 2024, 06:58:00 PM
Rather be the worst team in NFL history making the playoffs versus the best team ever to not make the playoffs.
Your sarcasm detector is failing you. Green Bay has had a great run.
Jesus, the Packers have a lot of young weapons. At this point, I'd say Wicks, Reed and Kraft are better than Watson, Doubs, Musgrave. And they should have a lot of hopes for the latter 3.
Their skill positions look solid.
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2024, 07:21:48 PM
Their skill positions look solid.
Time to spend all of their draft capital on defense again
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 07, 2024, 07:19:48 PM
Jesus, the Packers have a lot of young weapons. At this point, I'd say Wicks, Reed and Kraft are better than Watson, Doubs, Musgrave. And they should have a lot of hopes for the latter 3.
Walker has gotten better as the season went on at LT.
Jordon Love has 32 passing TD's this year and only one was to a player with more than 2 years experience. That was to Aaron Jones the first game of the season.
Pack/Pokes 4:30 Sunday.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2024, 07:05:05 PM
Eh, Rodgers likability began tanking before that
When did you start hating him?
Love Brisker as a player but he's caught a bad case of little brother syndrome
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 07, 2024, 08:57:47 PM
When did you start hating him?
Post-Seahawks loss in '14. Lot went wrong in that game but the defense forced 5 turnovers. He played like crap and should have shouldered some of the blame. Always a lot of excuses for him after that blaming everyone but 12.
No showed the '19 NFC title game, '21 divisional game. Couldn't beat Brady at home despite Brady tossing 3 picks. Never took any of the blame.
Hards said it elsewhere, iced wideouts out after one mistake. Refused to work with them in the off-season. Watch a lot of QBs figure out how to work with average wideouts without complaint.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2024, 08:28:51 AM
Post-Seahawks loss in '14. Lot went wrong in that game but the defense forced 5 turnovers. He played like crap and should have shouldered some of the blame. Always a lot of excuses for him after that blaming everyone but 12.
No showed the '19 NFC title game, '21 divisional game. Couldn't beat Brady at home despite Brady tossing 3 picks. Never took any of the blame.
Hards said it elsewhere, iced wideouts out after one mistake. Refused to work with them in the off-season. Watch a lot of QBs figure out how to work with average wideouts without complaint.
Never mind the fact that while they did not use first round capital on WRs they did draft...
Greg Jennings, 2nd Round
James Jones, 3rd Round
Jordy Nelson, 2nd Round
Randall Cobb, 2nd Round
Jermichael Finely, 3rd Round
Davante Adams, 2nd Round
He acted like he played with bums. For his first 10 years the only late round WR he was throwing to was Donald Driver.
Love's not signing an extension til he gets a 1st round receiver to throw to
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2024, 08:28:51 AM
Post-Seahawks loss in '14. Lot went wrong in that game but the defense forced 5 turnovers. He played like crap and should have shouldered some of the blame. Always a lot of excuses for him after that blaming everyone but 12.
No showed the '19 NFC title game, '21 divisional game. Couldn't beat Brady at home despite Brady tossing 3 picks. Never took any of the blame.
Hards said it elsewhere, iced wideouts out after one mistake. Refused to work with them in the off-season. Watch a lot of QBs figure out how to work with average wideouts without complaint.
The difference between Love and Rodgers on your last point has been eye opening to me. Not that Love really had a choice if he wanted to succeed, but watching both Love and the young wideouts become dedicated to building something with each other was a welcome change.
Just saw something interesting. The entire Packer receiving corps made just $7.5 million this year which is $4.5 million less than Allen Lazard earned after joining the Jets.
Quote from: MU1in77 on January 13, 2024, 11:07:57 AM
Just saw something interesting. The entire Packer receiving corps made just $7.5 million this year which is $4.5 million less than Allen Lazard earned after joining the Jets.
And I'd literally take any of the current group over Lazard. A very deep and sky's the limit group. Watson's durability is a major concern, but lots of talent.
Lazard is a nice player, but nowhere near worth what he got. And he's plateaued as a player. No surprise he's not playing up to his contract.
Nice first drive so far
Great drive by Jones and the o-line
Surgical
Ceedee not welcome on Quay Island
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 14, 2024, 03:59:45 PM
Ceedee not welcome on Quay Island
Dodge a bullet there. How teams get wideouts isolated against Packer linebackers is something else
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2024, 04:01:04 PM
Dodge a bullet there. How teams get wideouts isolated against Packer linebackers is something else
That could have been bad. The 3 man rush on 3rd and 3 and giving up a long run was another Barry special.
My goodness, Love's poise to convert that 3rd and long is impressive.
He's done plenty of things that would air as a highlight reel for Mahomes.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 14, 2024, 04:06:44 PM
My goodness, Love's poise to convert that 3rd and long is impressive.
He's done plenty of things that would air as a highlight reel for Mahomes.
4elder in shambles
I think a lot of us had Doubs as just a #3b or #4 receiver with the emergence of the young guys.
Dallas looks like they're in meltdown mode.
After todays Packers win, Harbaugh to Dallas...... 8-)
Did Ceedee host a boat cruise we don't know about?
Game over. Love sealed it with that roll left dart pass.
Once in awhile I know what I'm talking about.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 14, 2024, 04:36:00 PM
Game over. Love sealed it with that roll lrfrt dart pass.
Relax.
I don't know how, but somehow that XP will cost us
Can't bring Carlson back next year.
lol, remember when people said Carlson was the best player on the team and they should trade Love for a used Bike?
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 14, 2024, 04:42:24 PM
I don't know how, but somehow that XP will cost us
Way too many missed XPs.
No lead is safe with our defense. Especially since we went from no pressure to now being expected to win.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 14, 2024, 04:47:56 PM
No lead is safe with our defense. Especially since we went from no pressure to now being expected to win.
Be nice to hold them to no more than a FG here. Blitzes not getting home on this drive. Keep them in front of you
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 14, 2024, 04:47:56 PM
No lead is safe with our defense. Especially since we went from no pressure to now being expected to win.
I'm sorry Joe.
Huh
I was about to say an INT would be huge. Then pick 6. Crazy!
I blacked out for the last 5 seconds of that play
Is McCarthy still the coach at the start of the second half?
Was going to bleep on Quay but that's a bad call
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2024, 04:54:36 PM
Was going to bleep on Quay but that's a bad call
Why didn't the NFL correct that
Quote from: forgetful on January 14, 2024, 04:47:28 PM
Way too many missed XPs.
Has a hard time getting it to the end zone, too.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 14, 2024, 04:55:17 PM
Why didn't the NFL correct that
They can't overrule a penalty.
Quote from: forgetful on January 14, 2024, 04:57:13 PM
They can't overrule a penalty.
They can't overturn but they can get in the refs ear
Does Dak have the Pack at -30?
Pack can run the table all the way to Super Bowl
Absolutely killer call on Quay. But gotta keep viewership up for 2nd half
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 14, 2024, 05:02:42 PM
Absolutely killer call on Quay. But gotta keep viewership up for 2nd half
Devondre's dropped INT was rough too.
End of the game can't come soon enough. Have to think cowboys will come out firing.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 14, 2024, 05:04:12 PM
Devondre's dropped INT was rough too.
End of the game can't come soon enough. Have to think cowboys will come out firing.
Weirdly, thought the Packers defense was fine on that drive. Made them earn every yard to score. Going to need to figure out a way to pressure Dak. He'll throw some to the Packers if they do
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 14, 2024, 05:04:12 PM
Devondre's dropped INT was rough too.
End of the game can't come soon enough. Have to think cowboys will come out firing.
Agreed. I think the Packers need 40 pts to win. Cowboys will be slinging it, and got to believe Lamb will get out of his funk.
I'll take under 32.5 points by the Cowboys in the second half.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2024, 05:06:19 PM
Weirdly, thought the Packers defense was fine on that drive. Made them earn every yard to score. Going to need to figure out a way to pressure Dak. He'll throw some to the Packers if they do
Yeah don't disagree. Just would've liked the pick and a 4 score lead vs 3 score lead. Packers have had too many heart breaking playoffs so elevated heart rate until 0 seconds on the scoreboard
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 14, 2024, 05:09:01 PM
Yeah don't disagree. Just would've liked the pick and a 4 score lead vs 3 score lead. Packers have had too many heart breaking playoffs so elevated heart rate until 0 seconds on the scoreboard
For sure. Defense has been in pretty good position for the most part today. Just gotta keep rattling Dak
Quote from: forgetful on January 14, 2024, 05:06:29 PM
Agreed. I think the Packers need 40 pts to win. Cowboys will be slinging it, and got to believe Lamb will get out of his funk.
I told my wife they have to score at least 10 in the 2nd half to win.
I hate how nervous I am for this 2nd half
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 14, 2024, 05:15:18 PM
I hate how nervous I am for this 2nd half
Same
And then they open with Mcduffie and quay on Ceedee
Really don't need to give them extra 15 yards for free.
This is why Joe Barry won't be here on 24
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 14, 2024, 05:22:46 PM
This is why Joe Barry won't be here on 24
Been avoiding dumb penalties this past 6 weeks. That one was dumb
6 mins to score 3 points works for me. Need a good drive by the offense.
This thread is a slightly more modest MU game thread.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 14, 2024, 05:25:33 PM
6 mins to score 3 points works for me. Need a good drive by the offense.
Yup. Good job by the defense to respond after Clark penalty. Get a couple first downs
Helmet to helmet by parsons not called.
That shot of Jones and MLF. Dusty in here.
That'll do as a response.
Not sure how Seattle can hire Dan Quinn if Dallas don't come back
NOW Barry can call shells
What's so impressive about this particular Packers team is it's not necessarily star driven. That's not a back handed compliment either, Love is right there for being a dude, and the receivers are all more than solid and everyone is bought in. Aaron Jones is just a pro's pro, I'd have him on my team any day.
The football fan in me respects the heck out of what Green Bay has put together. They're going to be a hell of a tough out.
Well, that's no bueno
About time the Packers get a call
Quote from: Jockey on January 14, 2024, 04:56:56 PM
Has a hard time getting it to the end zone, too.
That's by design. They think they can keep them short of the 25 more often than not.
Carlson will likely get next year but will need to show big improvements to get a third year
Quote from: BM1090 on January 14, 2024, 05:53:11 PM
That's by design. They think they can keep them short of the 25 more often than not.
Carlson will likely get next year but will need to show big improvements to get a third year
I don't think so. Risk is not worth the reward for an extra couple yards.
Quote from: Jockey on January 14, 2024, 05:54:31 PM
I don't think so. Risk is not worth the reward for an extra couple yards.
Kick it out of the end zone
Quote from: Jockey on January 14, 2024, 05:54:31 PM
I don't think so. Risk is not worth the reward for an extra couple yards.
I agree the strategy is questionable. But leg strength isn't an issue. He can bomb the ball. It's accuracy that's the problem.
I watched him kick the ball out of the end zone a ton at training camp. And I think they employed the strategy even in games where Crosby didn't handle kickoffs last year.
This is unbelievably amazing
Why challenge that?
Quote from: Jockey on January 14, 2024, 04:56:56 PM
Has a hard time getting it to the end zone, too.
Isn't it by design to not kick into the end zone anymore?
Dak looks like he is in shock.
Just dominant. Got 40, but won't need it. Playoff Dak is a real thing. And Big Mac gonna Big Mac.
Quote from: forgetful on January 14, 2024, 06:05:53 PM
Dak looks like he is in shock.
He's literal definition of seeing ghosts right now
https://twitter.com/linzsports/status/1746668746586878163?t=TbxjzbW3nkNVyBWZwe_-Mw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/linzsports/status/1746668746586878163?t=TbxjzbW3nkNVyBWZwe_-Mw&s=19)
Put in the walk-ons!!
I'd be able to live with my kicker going 6/7 on PATs every week.
Just think how good the Packers would be doing today if they had dumped Jordan Love, like they should've.
Carlson took steroids at half I guess.
Dallas = 7 Pro bowlers.
GB = 0 Pro bowlers.
Yeah, right. Guess that will be their SB.
If you had told me that Love would throw for almost 300 yards, and 3 TDs. AND Jones would run for over 100 yards with 3 TDs, I'd of called you a liar.
Crazy.
Alright let's give up an onside and another touchdown so we can fire Rich and Joe yet
Sean Clifford is playing
Incredible
One big thing reminds me of early Rodgers. Every receiver is a target. Love doesn't lock onto any particular guy, he throws it everywhere. Rodgers used to do that, but in recent years locked into a single guy.
A team is dangerous when there isn't really the one guy you have to shut down, but rather cover the entire field.
Packers doing their best ole defense now though. Barry doing his best to remind GB fans of how he's been the entire year.
Surprising that a TE is having a big day against JBC.
With all due respect, this isn't the game to criticize Carroll.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2024, 06:39:05 PM
With all due respect, this isn't the game to criticize Carroll.
No, not at all. His defense did a great job today
If the Packers were actually worried, Zayne Anderson would not be playing safety
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2024, 06:42:10 PM
No, not at all. His defense did a great job today
Yea. Most of the damage happened against backups.
I am glad though that they went for it on 4th and 2 to make it 48 points.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2024, 06:39:05 PM
With all due respect, this isn't the game to criticize Carroll.
Exactly. This is an MU game day thread.
This has all been a big formality since GB scored a TD after the Boys FG to open the second half.
First 7 seed to win a playoff game. That was awesome!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2024, 06:39:05 PM
With all due respect, this isn't the game to criticize Carroll.
I actually agree, despite my comment. Just would have liked to see them at least slow them down at the end.
Bears Twitter congratulating the Pack for their chance to get blown out by the Boys after last week's game is funny.
BTW in retrospect, they clearly handled the Jaire Alexander situation well.
Packers/Niners will almost certainly be the Saturday night game next weekend. It's definitely a Saturday game, whoever the Texans play will be the Saturday afternoon game.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 14, 2024, 07:33:19 PM
Packers/Niners will almost certainly be the Saturday night game next weekend. It's definitely a Saturday game, whoever the Texans play will be the Saturday afternoon game.
IOW the designated AFC South time slot.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 14, 2024, 06:59:35 PM
Bears Twitter congratulating the Pack for their chance to get blown out by the Boys after last week's game is funny.
Bears are always funny. I've been laughing at them for decades.
Playoffs setting up well for Packers.
Saturday night game. It kind of had to be that. It would be difficult having teams playing Monday and then Saturday.
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2024, 07:53:52 AM
Saturday night game. It kind of had to be that. It would be difficult having teams playing Monday and then Saturday.
Yeah if the Bills had been postponed another day, the NFL would have the winner play next Monday night.
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2024, 07:53:52 AM
Saturday night game. It kind of had to be that. It would be difficult having teams playing Monday and then Saturday.
Great opportunity for the Packers to continue developing the young talent on the roster
The O-Line has been very good and at times, outstanding.
Jenkins and Tom are playing at Pro Bowl level. The only guy they lose is probably Runyan and he was probably the weakest link. Rian should have no problem replacing him next year and there should be a couple high draft picks as well.
Some interesting questions on the horizon:
1. What kind of contract does Love get?
2. You have to assume Baktiari is cut or retires, which should leave the Packers with some decent salary cap room. Do the Packers go after anyone in FA, if so, what positions?
Quote from: forgetful on January 15, 2024, 01:56:12 PM
Some interesting questions on the horizon:
1. What kind of contract does Love get?
2. You have to assume Baktiari is cut or retires, which should leave the Packers with some decent salary cap room. Do the Packers go after anyone in FA, if so, what positions?
1. Last week I said $35-$40 mil for 4 years. Now I think $45 mil for 5 years.
2. Maybe an inside linebacker (I think they cut Campbell).
Quote from: forgetful on January 15, 2024, 01:56:12 PM
Some interesting questions on the horizon:
1. What kind of contract does Love get?
2. You have to assume Baktiari is cut or retires, which should leave the Packers with some decent salary cap room. Do the Packers go after anyone in FA, if so, what positions?
Bakhtiari carries a $19M dead cap number if he's cut or retires before the 2024 season.
Right but that's better than the cap hit that they would take if they keep him. They would actually free up about $2 million when compared to this year if they cut him.
LaFleur masterclass yesterday. Might cost Dan Quinn a head coaching job
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-playoffs-masterclass-from-packers-matt-lafleur-was-foundation-for-green-bay-dismantling-cowboys/
Quote from: Jockey on January 15, 2024, 02:08:27 PM
1. Last week I said $35-$40 mil for 4 years. Now I think $45 mil for 5 years.
2. Maybe an inside linebacker (I think they cut Campbell).
There is no universe that Love gets anything less than Hurts (5 yr, $255M). May be a 4 yesr extension since he has one year left, but the AAV is going to he there. He took a discount last year as a bet on himself and won. Thems the breaks if you're the Packers and you gladly pay it.
Rodgers was the 8th highest paid when he signed his midyear extension, in a world where a number of those were rookies pre rookie wage scale. For what it's worth, 8th in AAV in 2024 would be Mahomes at 45, and the bar has been raised from his (relative) sweetheart deal.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 15, 2024, 03:27:00 PM
Bakhtiari carries a $19M dead cap number if he's cut or retires before the 2024 season.
I might not be understanding the cap situation. But right now, I thought Bakhtiari carries a cap number of $40,583,017. My understanding is that if he is cut before June 1, the Packers take an ~$19M dead cap hit, but still save over $21.5M in their cap.
So you have to assume he is gone, and they recoup that $21.5M
Quote from: Jockey on January 15, 2024, 02:08:27 PM
1. Last week I said $35-$40 mil for 4 years. Now I think $45 mil for 5 years.
2. Maybe an inside linebacker (I think they cut Campbell).
I agree on both. I figure some of the cap money is going to be eaten up in the Love extension.
I mean I guess you can say "saved" $20M, but regardless, the restructuring of Bakhtiari's contract over the years catches up this offseason. He's not playing at $40M, that's for sure. He can't be a post June 1st cut, so the time has come to pay the piper.
His injury designation definitely makes things tougher. If he fails his physical, I'm guessing he'll file an injury grievance (if he's cut), and his dead money will go up a bit.
They may get $14M - $18M to play with after the injury settlement, but Bakhtiari will undoubtedly be the highest counting Packer against the cap in 2024 whether he's on the roster or not.
Bakhtiari isn't retiring; he's contractually obligated to play for the Jets next year. He has as much professional freedom as Cobb has, which is to say, none.
Quote from: The Lens on January 16, 2024, 09:00:03 AM
Bakhtiari isn't retiring; he's contractually obligated to play for the Jets next year. He has as much professional freedom as Cobb has, which is to say, none.
Rodgers already put him in contract with a house in NJ.
Quote from: JWags85 on January 16, 2024, 09:08:53 AM
Rodgers already put him in contract with a house in NJ.
Why does Aaron Rodgers hate his friends
Packers have a tough game at SF. If they can somehow how win it, I think they have a good shot at running the table.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 16, 2024, 08:48:00 PM
Packers have a tough game at SF. If they can somehow how win it, I think they have a good shot at running the table.
Hopefully Jordan Love doesn't have a Rodgers-like performance against the 49ers
All house money at this point
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 17, 2024, 08:05:56 AM
All house money at this point
Agree. Great experience for the roster and QB
Nick Bosa saying what anyone with a brain knows
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/platform/amp/2024/1/17/24041358/green-bay-packers-san-francsico-49ers-nick-bosa-jordan-love-aaron-rodgers-difference-comparison
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2024, 07:05:35 PM
Nick Bosa saying what anyone with a brain knows
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/platform/amp/2024/1/17/24041358/green-bay-packers-san-francsico-49ers-nick-bosa-jordan-love-aaron-rodgers-difference-comparison
The rare double slight
Stay classy, Mark Chmura.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 18, 2024, 12:57:11 PM
Stay classy, Mark Chmura.
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2024/01/18/fmark-chmura-brock-purdy-49ers-packers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 18, 2024, 01:04:33 PM
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2024/01/18/fmark-chmura-brock-purdy-49ers-packers/
Wait, you're telling me that a sports radio host said something that was designed to draw outrage-based attention? No. Surely you jest.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 18, 2024, 12:57:11 PM
Stay classy, Mark Chmura.
Didn't know Hot Tub Mark was still on the radio.
https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-made-bold-move-in-going-from-aaron-rodgers-to-jordan-love--and-they-were-right-140047579.html
The decision to jettison 12 and move onto Love was the correct one.
Cap space will be freeing up. Five picks in the top-100. Team has a chance to set itself for success for the near future.
Whether Gutekunst gets it right is another story but the way the Packers moved this past off-season may end up being remembered as one of the best off-seasons in recent memory.
This Article is spot on
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/19/football-aside-jordan-love-was-the-right-person-to-lead-the-2023-packers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 19, 2024, 09:32:08 AM
This Article is spot on
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/19/football-aside-jordan-love-was-the-right-person-to-lead-the-2023-packers/
Probably one of my favorite things about Jordan is how chill he seems to be.
Packer injury report has punter Whelan as Questionable with Illness.
Will Whelan play?
If not, who will punt and are they any good at punting?
Hate to lose, but especially so by special teams.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 19, 2024, 11:13:52 AM
Packer injury report has punter Whelan as Questionable with Illness.
Will Whelan play?
If not, who will punt and are they any good at punting?
Hate to lose, but especially so by special teams.
He's playing. LaFleur wasn't worried about it
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/matt-lafleur-quietly-proves-hes-one-of-the-best-coaches-in-the-nfl
Interesting take
Must not read scoop
Quote from: tower912 on January 19, 2024, 02:30:56 PM
Must not read scoop
Through 8 games, I'd have agreee he wasn't doing a good job. Dumb team, bad mistakes and not good in any facet. I'd have been wrong.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2024, 11:16:59 AM
He's playing. LaFleur wasn't worried about it
Packers won't need to punt anyway
With the crummy weather at Santa Clara, have to like Aaron Jones over 15.5 rush attempts.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10105904-packers-jonathan-owens-reveals-advice-from-simone-biles-that-led-to-improved-play.amp.html
I thought Gronk was a real meathead at the start of the year, but he has turned into a pretty solid guy in the pre-game.
Rain game.
Hope Jordan has a big game today. Will be a big payiff for tram and in his contract extension
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/20/ian-rapoport-packers-and-jordan-love-expected-to-do-massive-contract-extension-this-spring/
Go Pack Go. It's awesome playing divisional round weekend. Very pleasant surprise. Whatever happens tonight, much to look forward to.
That's a good drive but FGs aren't going to do it
8 minute drive to open the game but only 3 points. Good, not great. O-line looked solid.
Would've liked to get some yards on 3rd and make a manageable 4th down. We'll see how D does here.
Brutal drop by savage
Opportunity squandered.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 07:33:25 PM
Brutal drop by savage
Yes, but glad to see him attacking the ball. Wonder if they'll let him play Rat all night like last Sunday.
Deebo in concussion protocol
He's been cleared to return
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 07:34:44 PM
Yes, but glad to see him attacking the ball. Wonder if they'll let him play Rat all night like last Sunday.
Obviously not the outcome but if it gets Purdy thinking...
That's a trash spot
Another opportunity lost.
All the things MLF challenges and he doesn't challenge that?
The spot on the sneak is whatever, but Jones was half a yard short
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 07:55:52 PM
All the things MLF challenges and he doesn't challenge that?
Automatically reviewed on the turnover I think.
I hate the sneak when the entire D is waiting for it.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 07:55:24 PM
Another opportunity lost.
Hate when they go hurry up on that. Take your time and trust 33
Quote from: wadesworld on January 20, 2024, 07:56:23 PM
Automatically reviewed on the turnover I think.
I don't think turnover on downs is?
Coming out of those first two long possessions with only 3 points is less than ideal.
Good news is Niners offense has no rhythm.
Did we get rid of intentional grounding?
Update: touchdown zebras
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 20, 2024, 08:02:31 PM
Did we get rid of intentional grounding?
Update: touchdown zebras
Wyatt got tackled on that TD pass
Kittle wide open
MLF shoulda kicked the fg, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 20, 2024, 08:06:30 PM
MLF shoulda kicked the fg, hey?
No, 3-7 or 6-7 makes no difference to me
I think my heart be skipped a beat when Reed bobbled that.
AJ has been so good tonight
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 08:09:31 PM
I think my heart be skipped a beat when Reed bobbled that.
AJ has been so good tonight
Is he there best RB post-Lombardi?
Yeah, Niners defense is too good.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 20, 2024, 08:06:30 PM
MLF shoulda kicked the fg, hey?
Yep..take all the guaranteeed points you can get when a 10 point dog - but if you do go for it there - the playcall to rush Love into a sneak with Aaron Jones available? Not his best call.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 08:11:26 PM
Is he there best RB post-Lombardi?
Yes only because Ty Montgomery is technically a WR
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 08:11:26 PM
Is he there best RB post-Lombardi?
Yes until we drop a 2nd for fields
Need to hold them to 3 at most
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 08:19:28 PM
Need to hold them to 3 at most
Linebackers can't cover or tackle. My kingdom for a Fred Warner or Dre Greenlaw
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 08:22:21 PM
Linebackers can't cover or tackle. My kingdom for a Fred Warner or Dre Greenlaw
This team could use a Desmond Bishop
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 08:24:29 PM
This team could use a Desmond Bishop
Niners are hard to defend, maybe the hardest team to defend in the league. Being too critical of the LBs is hard but they're a liability
Really poor clock management by Shanahan
Desmond Bishop is not what this team needs. Rico's right - it's Wagner. They shot their shot with Quay and missed
https://twitter.com/theotherRobin19/status/1748892399508611211?t=lbIi-Ycspp0rjue-M5ntXg&s=19
Flip to UConn and Nova at halftime. Helluva game.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 20, 2024, 08:28:21 PM
Desmond Bishop is not what this team needs. Rico's right - it's Wagner. They shot their shot with Quay and missed
He's just not it. A step slow at all times
Great half - except in the red zone
That clock management by SF was...interesting.
Excellent FG block
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 20, 2024, 08:33:53 PM
That clock management by SF was...interesting.
No kidding. Three timeouts and played for the FG
Didn't love the red zone play calls. Knowing they'll only be down one score after the first possession of the second half is big. Love looking calm and poised. Still house money whatever happened the second half.
Packers feel like they're hanging on for dear life. They needed that Savage play.
Get off the field on the first drive of the 2nd half and go from there.
3 more Packer points at this point would look pretty good right now, hey?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 08:36:21 PM
Didn't love the red zone play calls. Knowing they'll only be down one score after the first possession of the second half is big. Love looking calm and poised. Still house money whatever happened the second half.
With just a bit of luck, this could be a 20-7 game.
But still glad to be where we're at.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 20, 2024, 08:38:46 PM
3 more Packer points at this point would look pretty good right now, hey?
So would a pick-6 that was dropped. Or a missed intentional grounding
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 08:36:47 PM
Get off the field on the first drive of the 2nd half and go from there.
Done.
Purdy ain't it
I'm going to be sick. This is right there for them to take
This game is more than there for the taking for the Packers.
Some of these spots...yikes.
absolutely fuckng BS spot again. Stupidest fuckng league
Team should be charged a challenge if it takes that quick to fix.
Big East refs
Another heart beat skipped. LFG
What a play design. I know the DB slipped to help, but that was wide open either way.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 09:04:06 PM
Another heart beat skipped. LFG
Ecstasy or heartbreak? We'll know in an hour.
Beautiful footwork by Melton
Did we get rid of delay of game penalties?
🤦🏼♂️
Second brutal play by Savage.
If only there was a mechanism to alert everyone when the play clock strikes zero. Maybe one day technology will catch up where some type of audible noise could alert all.
My kingdom for a linebacker
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 20, 2024, 09:11:24 PM
If only there was a mechanism to alert everyone when the play clock strikes zero. Maybe one day technology will catch up where some type of audible noise could alert all.
Maybe a horn or some other mechanism. Or a full time officiating staff. Who's to say
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 20, 2024, 09:13:23 PM
Maybe a horn or some other mechanism. Or a full time officiating staff. Who's to say
It's ridiculous that they don't have a horn go off or some type of light on the sideline go on when the play clock hits zero. So absurd.
That recovery was unbelievable. Running full speed, ball bouncing around and wet, that bounces off the recovering player 99% of the time there. And it was all 9ers around otherwise.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 20, 2024, 09:19:01 PM
That recovery was unbelievable. Running full speed, ball bouncing around and wet, that bounces off the recovering player 99% of the time there. And it was all 9ers around otherwise.
I yelled a lot of things during that play
Somebody FedEx me some Zanix.
Kenny Clark covers so many deficiencies
19 minute drive?
End them
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 20, 2024, 10:58:23 AM
With the crummy weather at Santa Clara, have to like Aaron Jones over 15.5 rush attempts.
I was surprised how low this number was, hopefully some people made some cash here.
Bad pass, and they pay for it. Gotta earn this one the long way round
🤦🏼♂️
That throw was really poor.
Don't like that
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 20, 2024, 09:30:41 PM
That throw was really poor.
Yup. Hit him in stride and it's a first down.
There was room to keep running.
Man...too really bad 3rd downs for Love that were there to keep the clock running
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 09:45:25 PM
Man...too really bad 3rd downs for Love that were there to keep the clock running
Yeah. Niners defense has been mixing coverages and pressures. Take the easy throws and make them
Please please please get some points
What an odd 3rd & 10 play call by Shanahan. Kittle was lined up in the backfield, and a really poor play concept. Could be a key play to a GB win. Pick up 6-7 yards there, probably a FG attempt.
We may be seeing a lot more GB - SF matchups over the next decade.
Wow AJ...half expected him to fumble there
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 09:57:05 PM
Wow AJ...half expected him to fumble there
Heady play by Jones, he switches the ball into his right arm as he's about to get caught. Very smart play.
Jones going to be in the ring of honor
Is this a choke job by San Fran?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 20, 2024, 09:59:05 PM
Is this a choke job by San Fran?
Choke job? Green Bay has outplayed them most of the night.
Just a reminder 4qver said Carlson was the best player on the Packers
Easiest money maker of the night is betting against Carlson when we need him most.
Chase Young is losing a lot of future money this evening.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 10:01:53 PM
Easiest money maker of the night is betting against Carlson when we need him most.
We've said all year that he was going to cost us. Crosby should have been brought back 2 months ago.
Shocking that a guy who struggles with extra points can't be counted in for a big FG.
Blitz blitz blitz blitz
Had a great junior year at Auburn. His 4 other years he was 67% in college.
Definitely stupid not calling a timeout there.
Take Anders Carlson and throw him in the Pacific
And this is exactly why you take the 30 yard FG attempt in first quarter when up 3-0. Never know when you'll need those 3 points.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 20, 2024, 10:15:03 PM
And this is exactly why you take the 30 yard FG attempt in first quarter when up 3-0. Never know when you'll need those 3 points.
It's 50/50 they make the Fg
What a horrendous decision and throw, my lord.
Throwing across your body late over the middle. Huh.
🤦🏼♂️
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 20, 2024, 10:15:03 PM
And this is exactly why you take the 30 yard FG attempt in first quarter when up 3-0. Never know when you'll need those 3 points.
And in the 2014 game in Seattle people said that's why you go for TDs when you have a chance after the Packers kicked two short FGs and ended up losing in OT.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 10:18:18 PM
Throwing across your body late over the middle. Huh.
Yeah. That was bad.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 20, 2024, 10:15:03 PM
And this is exactly why you take the 30 yard FG attempt in first quarter when up 3-0. Never know when you'll need those 3 points.
Not really how football works.
A really bad 4th Q for Love but a successful fact finding mission this season.
Whoops.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 10:16:40 PM
It's 50/50 they make the Fg
Except its a zero pressure kick in Q1 from 30 yards - probably a 98% chance he makes it. And Green Bay continues to just choke sans the Dallas game in a Divisional or NFC Championship.
SF had no business winning that game.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 10:01:14 PM
Just a reminder 4qver said Carlson was the best player on the Packers
Has he ever been correct?
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 20, 2024, 10:17:39 PM
What a horrendous decision and throw, my lord.
Agreed. But awful play design as well. There was no option other than a TE in the opposite flat that was less than 30 yards downfield.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2024, 10:19:23 PM
A really bad 4th Q for Love but a successful fact finding mission this season.
Yep. Learn and grow.
House money. Impressive run. Unfortunate ending.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 20, 2024, 10:20:02 PM
Except its a zero pressure kick in Q1 from 30 yards - probably a 98% chance he makes it. And Green Bay continues to just choke sans the Dallas game in a Divisional or NFC Championship.
SF had no business winning that game.
Carlson sucks
You absolutely go for 4th and 1 in the red zone in the first quarter of the game. Especially when you're double digit underdogs.
The problem is drafting a dude who missed 31 FGs and 3 extra points (from the 2 yard line) in college.
Love had a bad fourth quarter.
You take the timeout near the goal line to help avoid disasters like that. 100 seconds to go 45 yards (or for a TD) is a way better use of your time. Can't take those timeouts into the offseason with you.
This hurts, but the future is bright.
Carlson had no business even being on the team. Making decisions that don't involve play calling is MLF's weakness.
House money. Future is bright. That SF team is supposedly the best in the nfc? Not impressed, didn't come close to covering
Kind of reminds me of losing to the Cardinals in a heartbreaker. The future is bright for GB.
House money and also a huge raise to the guy that takes out Joe Barry
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 20, 2024, 10:23:59 PM
House money and also a huge raise to the guy that takes out Joe Barry
Need an edge rusher bad. Draft or FA.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 20, 2024, 10:19:18 PM
Not really how football works.
Maybe not in this day and age of analytics that generally always say go for it on 4th and short - I just think when you're a 10 point dog on the road, take sure points when you can get them.
Absolute chokejob.
My money would be on the Lions to go to the Super Bowl.
Quote from: wisblue on January 20, 2024, 10:30:47 PM
My money would be on the Lions to go to the Super Bowl.
I'll be cheering for them. Niners defense is the real deal, though. Tackle well and are physical. Would kill to have their LBs in GB
On the bright side we won't have to see Lamar Jackson run for 10,000 yards against us in the Super Bowl
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 20, 2024, 10:30:22 PM
Slit Joe Barry's throat or slit Joe Barry's dogs throat. Don't give a crap if the Packers get a win
I'm not a Barry fan but thought he did ok today. We just didn't make that one play to seal it.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 20, 2024, 10:23:59 PM
House money and also a huge raise to the guy that takes out Joe Barry
Not sure Barry was the problem tonight. As Rico said they need another edge rusher and a ILB.
Entire city of Detroit can go unnatural carnal knowledge itself. Another 50 years of ineptitude will serve it right
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 20, 2024, 10:33:05 PM
Not sure Barry was the problem tonight. As Rico said they need another edge rusher and a ILB.
Quibble with him not sending the house at Purdy on that last drive when Purdy is aching to throw a pick. I dunno. I'd move on but the LBs are so bad. Can't tackle. Can't rush the QB. Can't cover. The front 4 is inconsistent with pressure. Rashan Gary was terrible the last month and the defense somehow held up the last 4 weeks. They gave up 24 tonight to a heavy favorite. The stretch with DeVito-Mayfield-Young was horrible. Need more dudes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 10:37:44 PM
Quibble with him not sending the house at Purdy on that last drive when Purdy is aching to throw a pick. I dunno. I'd move on but the LBs are so bad. Can't tackle. Can't rush the QB. Can't cover. The front 4 is inconsistent with pressure. Rashan Gary was terrible the last month and the defense somehow held up the last 4 weeks. They gave up 24 tonight to a heavy favorite. The stretch with DeVito-Mayfield-Young was horrible. Need more dudes
When they blitzed it never really worked. But yeah they definitely need dudes.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 20, 2024, 10:39:25 PM
When they blitzed it never really worked. But yeah they definitely need dudes.
If Purdy beats the blitz, tip the cap and move on. Too many weapons just to let them move down the field.
It's on the kicker and the decision to stick with him. Love needed to be better, too.
Frustrating loss in a game they should have won.
Enjoyed the last couple months of strong play. Looking forward to whqt is in store for the Packers .
Morning after clarity:
1. Team was a year ahead of itself. Hurts because you don't know when those chances come again.
2. Love is the guy. He's earned his money.
3. He and Purdy threw one bad pass to the other team. 49ers caught their interception chance.
4. Defense played fine. But body of work matters - they wouldn't be traveling to SF if their defense was good all year. Bye JBC.
5. Speaking of coaches, in my mind, Bisaccia staked his job on Carlson. It didn't work all season, and it cost us this game.
6. Learn, grow, and nail the crap out of defense in this year's draft.
Finally -In a multi-billion dollar league, we're still doing 'eye spots' and it cost the Packers points. Meanwhile, the most blatant intentional grounding doesn't get a second look.
I'd be surprised if Barry is gone. Pleasantly surprised, but surprised.
Heck of a second half of the season for the Packers. The way last night's game ended sucked for Packer backers, but fans of lots of teams are jealous of your future.
Y'all have a really good - maybe even great - QB, some nice young weapons, and a lot of other pieces necessary to win for a long time. You're well ahead of where you were at this stage of Rodgers' career.
I agree with that. Green Bay's incredibly young roster came.together and made a heckuva run led by a first year starting QB. The 4th quarter last night was excruciating. For 3 quarters, both the offense and the defense were on the verge of a second consecutive huge upset. Kudos.
In the depths of your morning after despair, ask yourself this.... how many teams have a brighter future 4-5 years than GB? You have your QB and young receivers. A running back. 5 picks in the first 3 rounds this offseason. Enjoy.
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2024, 07:39:48 AM
Heck of a second half of the season for the Packers. The way last night's game ended sucked for Packer backers, but fans of lots of teams are jealous of your future.
Y'all have a really good - maybe even great - QB, some nice young weapons, and a lot of other pieces necessary to win for a long time. You're well ahead of where you were at this stage of Rodgers' career.
Yeah I don't agree with that. That team had a young core of defenders that would grow into a Super Bowl winning defense (Collins, Hawk, Tramon, Jenkins) and a future defensive MVP and HOFer (Woodson). This team has a nice DL, but significant issues up the middle at ILB and safety.
And while they are good, these receivers have a lot to do to grow to the level of a Jennings or Jordy.
Was able to see the Packers play two extra games no one was expecting.
Would have loved to see them win.
Oh well, next season.
Anders freaking Carlson
Knew it when they drafted him. He sucks.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 21, 2024, 08:10:24 AM
Was able to see the Packers play two extra games no one was expecting.
Would have loved to see them win.
Oh well, next season.
They're setup very well- much cap relief to pursue free agents and extra 2nd and 3rd round picks this draft.
Love has got to keep improving and get a new defensive coordinator top the internal to do list. It's fool's gold to think defense got fixed after the Panthers game and games that immediately preceded that one. Barry must go or they're asking for more problems.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2024, 08:19:05 AM
Anders freaking Carlson
Knew it when they drafted him. He sucks.
Big concern with him. He's almost certainly going to be their kicker next year the way they're talking so they better be right. Total commitment to him is a big gamble.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 21, 2024, 08:23:42 AM
Big concern with him. He's almost certainly going to be their kicker next year the way they're talking so they better be right. Total commitment to him is a big gamble.
We'll see. IMO they bring in someone to compete with him, and he has a small cap number so cutting him wouldn't be out of the question.
Nope. Streak continues.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2024, 07:55:50 AM
In the depths of your morning after despair, ask yourself this.... how many teams have a brighter future 4-5 years than GB? You have your QB and young receivers. A running back. 5 picks in the first 3 rounds this offseason. Enjoy.
I love Aaron Jones because he is an absolute game changer. When healthy he takes so much pressure off the QB. As we saw this year, he's at that age where he gets nicked up and misses games more frequently, and GB doesn't have a reliable back up. I think they move on from Quadzilla and will need to find someone in the middle rounds of the draft.
Relatively not a big deal assuming Aaron has a few more highly productive years in him and they have higher priorities on defense and probably kicker but if he misses significant time the offense looks really different.
Running backs have a short shelf life and teams should plan accordingly. My point stands.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2024, 08:52:13 AM
Running backs have a short shelf life and teams should plan accordingly. My point stands.
Correct. Jones is great but the wall is real. Wouldn't invest heavily in the position early in the draft, though. Safety and edge have to be priorities 1A, 1B
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 21, 2024, 08:23:42 AM
Big concern with him. He's almost certainly going to be their kicker next year the way they're talking so they better be right. Total commitment to him is a big gamble.
they have to say that-
6th round pick...for a kicker??
for his confidence
the dude does have a strong leg and comes from good lineage
i recall during the preseason, skeptics were keeping track of his performance during practices and it wasn't good at all. so i'm expecting this guy to come out looking like the 2nd coming of jerry kramer or paul hornung
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 21, 2024, 08:25:31 AM
We'll see. IMO they bring in someone to compete with him, and he has a small cap number so cutting him wouldn't be out of the question.
I have major doubts they'll bring in any serious competition for him. They'll have another kicker on the 90 offseason roster, but likely will be just a camp leg. He's Bisaccia's guy and he carries a lot of sway.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 21, 2024, 09:08:22 AM
they have to say that-
6th round pick...for a kicker??
for his confidence
the dude does have a strong leg and comes from good lineage
i recall during the preseason, skeptics were keeping track of his performance during practices and it wasn't good at all. so i'm expecting this guy to come out looking like the 2nd coming of jerry kramer or paul hornung
See above about Bisaccia. He campaigned to draft him. He's one of the top paid special teams coaches and they're going to listen to him.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 21, 2024, 09:15:33 AM
I have major doubts they'll bring in any serious competition for him. They'll have another kicker on the 90 offseason roster, but likely will be just a camp leg. He's Bisaccia's guy and he carries a lot of sway.
If MLF's quote is true they could bring in stiff competition.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2024, 08:53:25 AM
Correct. Jones is great but the wall is real. Wouldn't invest heavily in the position early in the draft, though. Safety and edge have to be priorities 1A, 1B
I'd put corner after safety. Alexander is perpetually injured and Stokes has almost two full lost seasons to injuries. Valentine looks like a player. After that, there's little depth. Ballentine might be fine. Nixon tackles well but doesn't cover well and shouldn't be counted on again as the primary nickel. His value is a returner.
Very thin at one of the most important positions in the game. Need find a couple guys who can play a lot.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 21, 2024, 09:17:18 AM
If MLF's quote is true they could bring in stiff competition.
Ok, haven't read his comments yet. But I still think they're going to listen to Bisaccia. So unless he's cooled on Carlson too...
Plus LaFleur talks a tough game on many things but doesn't act, see Joe Barry still employed by them.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 21, 2024, 09:17:18 AM
If MLF's quote is true they could bring in stiff competition.
Carlson won't be the kicker next year. Book it.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2024, 08:52:13 AM
Running backs have a short shelf life and teams should plan accordingly. My point stands.
Absolutely agree. Just saying they have zero backups at that position, and Jones is 2nd only to Love in importance to offense.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 21, 2024, 09:23:55 AM
I'd put corner after safety. Alexander is perpetually injured and Stokes has almost two full lost seasons to injuries. Valentine looks like a player. After that, there's little depth. Ballentine might be fine. Nixon tackles well but doesn't cover well and shouldn't be counted on again as the primary nickel. His value is a returner.
Very thin at one of the most important positions in the game. Need find a couple guys who can play a lot.
I won't be surprised if 3 of the top 5 picks are in the secondary.
They need to improve their tackling across the board. The difference in tackling between them and the Niners was stark
Outlook for Packers is promising. #10 on the job learning panned out second half of season. Love his potential for further growth. Also, even though he can run , he is focused on being a pocket passer. I think that will keep him healthy. Sime of these planned run QBs are really getting banged up
Solid young receivers and offensive line , in another year or two both groups could become excellent .
NFC North may end up as toughest divison in league next year .
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 21, 2024, 09:17:18 AM
If MLF's quote is true they could bring in stiff competition.
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Yeah, a couple of young studs, hey?
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 21, 2024, 09:58:10 AM
Outlook for Packers is promising. #10 on the job learning panned out second half of season. Love his potential for further growth. Also, even though he can run , he is focused on being a pocket passer. I think that will keep him healthy. Sime of these planned run QBs are really getting banged up
Solid young receivers and offensive line , in another year or two both groups could become excellent .
NFC North may end up as toughest divison in league next year .
And get rid of the kicker you think is good
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2024, 09:52:43 AM
I won't be surprised if 3 of the top 5 picks are in the secondary.
They need to improve their tackling across the board. The difference in tackling between them and the Niners was stark
Also 2 picks in the 4th round. Depending on free agency, I think 4 of the 7 could be linebacker and secondary.
Lots of draft capital and it should be mostly on defense save for a middle round RB and an OL, where you can never have enough. I could see like our response to Randy Moss, where our first 3 picks were secondary (only Mike McKenzie was any good)
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 21, 2024, 11:31:25 AM
Lots of draft capital and it should be mostly on defense save for a middle round RB and an OL, where you can never have enough. I could see like our response to Randy Moss, where our first 3 picks were secondary (only Mike McKenzie was any good)
The OL was the 2nd best unit in the NFL in allowing the fewest QB pressures. Jenkins and Tom are playing at pro bowl level, but I still think they use a 2nd to get another one. And as we saw with 5 consecutive 100 yard games by AJ, the run blocking was nothing to sneer at.
But we just saw a team with ZERO Pro Bowlers show that they were better than the top 2 seeds with a combined 16 of them.
Fire JBC and get a guy who coaches a more aggressive style. Then get rid of Carlson and get ready for a wide open window.
Quote from: Jockey on January 21, 2024, 11:47:01 AM
The OL was the 2nd best unit in the NFL in allowing the fewest QB pressures. Jenkins and Tom are playing at pro bowl level, but I still think they use a 2nd to get another one. And as we saw with 5 consecutive 100 yard games by AJ, the run blocking was nothing to sneer at.
But we just saw a team with ZERO Pro Bowlers show that they were better than the top 2 seeds with a combined 16 of them.
Fire JBC and get a guy who coaches a more aggressive style. Then get rid of Carlson and get ready for a wide open window.
The tell tale sign with Carlson is the 6 missed extra points. Bring in a lot of kickers and have a competition.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2024, 09:52:43 AM
I won't be surprised if 3 of the top 5 picks are in the secondary.
They need to improve their tackling across the board. The difference in tackling between them and the Niners was stark
I have no idea how the free agency market is shaping up for guys in the secondary, but the Packers will have the cap room to pursue expensive guys if they choose. I hope they make a splash or two. Drafting is so iffy whether they can play right away or ever. And Packers have immediate needs everywhere in the secondary. Don't be Ted Thompson and think the draft alone will solve it.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 21, 2024, 09:58:10 AM
Outlook for Packers is promising. #10 on the job learning panned out second half of season. Love his potential for further growth. Also, even though he can run , he is focused on being a pocket passer. I think that will keep him healthy. Sime of these planned run QBs are really getting banged up
Solid young receivers and offensive line , in another year or two both groups could become excellent .
NFC North may end up as toughest divison in league next year .
Could be. Packers and Lions are playoff teams with young difference makers on both sides of the ball. The Bears are loaded with high draft capital and improved a lot the 2nd half. Looks like Minnesota is in for a rebuild, but division is getting better no question.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 21, 2024, 12:54:09 PM
Could be. Packers and Lions are playoff teams with young difference makers on both sides of the ball. The Bears are loaded with high draft capital and improved a lot the 2nd half. Looks like Minnesota is in for a rebuild, but division is getting better no question.
Antoine Winfield, L'Jarius Sneed, Kendall Fuller, Kyle Dugger and Kam Curl top secondary FA's.
Lot of edge rushers available depending on franchise tags
Joe Barry dumped
Truly surprised.
The philosophical direction is going to be interesting to see where they go. Wonder if they will take another look at Jim Leonhard? That will be a different style.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2024, 08:34:42 AM
Truly surprised.
The philosophical direction is going to be interesting to see where they go. Wonder if they will take another look at Jim Leonhard? That will be a different style.
No, I'd rather hire a DC that hasn't cut his teeth playing the Big Ten West
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 08:45:22 AM
No, I'd rather hire a DC that hasn't cut his teeth playing the Big Ten West
That's exactly what I said to my friend. And while he had some great defenses in the past, his more recent defenses weren't nearly as dominant.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 09:49:49 AM
That's exactly what I said to my friend. And while he had some great defenses in the past, his more recent defenses weren't nearly as dominant.
The Wisconsin meathead association lead by the sports talk maroons will undoubtedly push him as a candidate but I sure hope it's not him.
The time to hire Leonhard was at his peak when buzz was high and people thought he could get the UW job...not when he spent the last season as an analyst for Bielema.
How about Ejiro Evero, assuming he doesn't get the Panthers head job? He's only been a defensive coordinator for two years, but one was Denver's in 2022 which was T-10, and last year the Panthers were 4th in the league in yards against (4th worst in points against, but that's what happens when you have a -9 TO margin). He has some experience in Green Bay under Dom Capers, and coached the Super Bowl Rams' secondary. He's only 43 and would seem to fit in well with the young staff age-wise.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 09:49:49 AM
That's exactly what I said to my friend. And while he had some great defenses in the past, his more recent defenses weren't nearly as dominant.
Oh I agree. I was just wondering if that would happen. The other name the locals will push is Al Harris.
Quote from: MUBurrow on January 24, 2024, 10:22:19 AM
How about Ejiro Evero, assuming he doesn't get the Panthers head job? He's only been a defensive coordinator for two years, but one was Denver's in 2022 which was T-10, and last year the Panthers were 4th in the league in yards against (4th worst in points against, but that's what happens when you have a -9 TO margin). He has some experience in Green Bay under Dom Capers, and coached the Super Bowl Rams' secondary. He's only 43 and would seem to fit in well with the young staff age-wise.
Choice number 1 for me. Can be talked into Marquand Manuel
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2024, 10:28:23 AM
Oh I agree. I was just wondering if that would happen. The other name the locals will push is Al Harris.
Yup. And I hope they pass on him too.
Wink Martindale is probably my top choice. Evero wouldn't be bad either. Staley was very good as a DC, but not HC.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 10:35:59 AM
Yup. And I hope they pass on him too.
Wink Martindale is probably my top choice. Evero wouldn't be bad either. Staley was very good as a DC, but not HC.
If they want a college guy, hire Jesse Minter from Michigan over Leonhard
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 10:43:29 AM
If they want a college guy, hire Jesse Minter from Michigan over Leonhard
I worry about him because Michigan has more NFL players on their roster (IMO) than any team in the NCAA. was it talent or was it coaching?
I would be good with Evero, Martindale, or even Ryan.
My big complaint was lack of aggressiveness under JBC and I think these guys would bring that.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-fire-defensive-coordinator-joe-barry-a-look-at-four-potential-replacements-green-bay-should-target/amp/
Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2024, 11:23:17 AM
I worry about him because Michigan has more NFL players on their roster (IMO) than any team in the NCAA. was it talent or was it coaching?
I would be good with Evero, Martindale, or even Ryan.
My big complaint was lack of aggressiveness under JBC and I think these guys would bring that.
He wouldn't be in my top choices but if they went that route, he's the first call.
I want an NFL guy
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 10:32:37 AM
Choice number 1 for me. Can be talked into Marquand Manuel
There's a throwback name. I just checked his wikipedia and he's one of 19(!!!) children. Wowza.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 10:35:59 AM
Yup. And I hope they pass on him too.
Wink Martindale is probably my top choice. Evero wouldn't be bad either. Staley was very good as a DC, but not HC.
Was Staley a good DC, or did he just take over a fantastic system and personnel group assembled by Wade Phillips and manage to not f--- it up for a year?
His Charger defenses - of which he was the playcaller - were consistently bad despite being loaded with talent.
Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2024, 11:23:17 AM
I worry about him because Michigan has more NFL players on their roster (IMO) than any team in the NCAA. was it talent or was it coaching?
I would be good with Evero, Martindale, or even Ryan.
My big complaint was lack of aggressiveness under JBC and I think these guys would bring that.
Evero would cost a crap ton of money and would be a risk to leave for a HC position every year. That's of course a good problem to have.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 10:35:59 AM
Yup. And I hope they pass on him too.
Wink Martindale is probably my top choice. Evero wouldn't be bad either. Staley was very good as a DC, but not HC.
A little old (90) but if he can recapture the magic of Tic-Tac-Dough he would be special.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 24, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Evero would cost a crap ton of money and would be a risk to leave for a HC position every year. That's of course a good problem to have.
To a high revenue team like GB, this is where you should create separation from peers. No salary cap for coaches. The Packers should be an SEC school --- a lot of millionaires on staff.
Packers have plenty of money.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 20, 2024, 10:33:05 PM
Not sure Barry was the problem tonight. As Rico said they need another edge rusher and a ILB.
LVN as a second year player and Rashan Gary aren't going to cut it? Need a first round DB, OL, and LB... RB anywhere. Team is pretty solid everywhere else.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 24, 2024, 01:54:38 PM
LVN as a second year player and Rashan Gary aren't going to cut it? Need a first round DB, OL, and LB... RB anywhere. Team is pretty solid everywhere else.
I always want to add secondary for depth at a minimum.
I also think the Packers need to look at an interior DL. While he hasn't fallen off yet, Kenny Clark is 29 next year.
Every spot on defense should be in play but the focus should be right down the middle. NT, off-ball LB, S. CB definitely a need but start there
MLF checking off all the boxes...
Fired the DC
Fired S&C
Packers signed another K already
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 24, 2024, 02:15:31 PM
MLF checking off all the boxes...
Fired the DC
Fired S&C
Packers signed another K already
I'd like to see more mid-range jump shots
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 24, 2024, 02:09:20 PM
Every spot on defense should be in play but the focus should be right down the middle. NT, off-ball LB, S. CB definitely a need but start there
Definitely back seven.
There are only 2 safeties under contract, so we know that position will have big changes.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 02:17:42 PM
I'd like to see more mid-range jump shots
and slaps of five
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on January 24, 2024, 02:27:47 PM
and slaps of five
In that same vein with an honest thought, better tackling would be nice to see
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 24, 2024, 02:15:31 PM
MLF checking off all the boxes...
Fired the DC
Fired S&C
Packers signed another K already
Fire Bisaccia
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Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 24, 2024, 02:15:31 PM
MLF checking off all the boxes...
Fired the DC
Fired S&C
Packers signed another K already
Yeah, another kicker who stunk from beyond 40 in college. 12/23. Great!
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/aaron-jones-sees-special-future-for-packers-will-he-be-part-of-it
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/platform/amp/2024/1/27/24052968/green-bay-packers-christian-parker-defensive-coordinator-news-rumors-resume-coaching-history-broncos
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2024, 09:29:53 AM
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/platform/amp/2024/1/27/24052968/green-bay-packers-christian-parker-defensive-coordinator-news-rumors-resume-coaching-history-broncos
Please, no.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 28, 2024, 09:35:10 AM
Please, no.
Why? Not saying good or bad. He gets rave reviews and the Broncos secondary had two pro bowlers and their defense went from hot trash to good by the end of the year.
But I get the hesitation
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2024, 09:46:09 AM
Why? Not saying good or bad. He gets rave reviews and the Broncos secondary had two pro bowlers and their defense went from hot trash to good by the end of the year.
But I get the hesitation
His resume is incredibly thin. Surtain was the 9th overall pick, so hardly magic him becoming pro bowl level. Simmons was pro bowl in '20 prior to Parker's arrival.
The Broncos were 29th overall defense, 22nd passing defense, and 27th scoring defense this past season. The Patriots are the only other team who's given him an interview.
There are so many better qualified candidates than a guy who was our quality control coach 4 years ago.
Myth of Denver defensive improvement late season too. Lit up by Detroit for 42 Dec 16 and followed up by allowing Bailey Zappe a 117 rating a week later.
Honestly I'm more worried about style and scheme than the length of the resume here.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 28, 2024, 10:01:20 AM
His resume is incredibly thin. Surtain was the 9th overall pick, so hardly magic him becoming pro bowl level. Simmons was pro bowl in '20 prior to Parker's arrival.
The Broncos were 29th overall defense, 22nd passing defense, and 27th scoring defense this past season. The Patriots are the only other team who's given him an interview.
There are so many better qualified candidates than a guy who was our quality control coach 4 years ago.
Who are your candidates? Not saying you're wrong about Parker. He could be a great DC, he could be a bust.
I think coordinator hires are going to younger and younger guys across the board. My first choice would still be Ejiro Evero, though I'm not sure he'll be an option
Ejiro is far and away my first choice among those that have been DCs before. Really don't want a retread former head coach.
I'd love to see them look at the assistants who can prove to be adaptable. There are some former Packer players who might be in that mold - Marquand Manuel & Al Harris. Harris gets knocked down because of the playoff game, but the reality is that the Packers have had the answers for Dan Quinns system. How Harris differentiates would be key. Hewitt from Baltimores staff is another.
I would have also gone after Umich DC Minter, but reality is he was probably always tied to Harbaugh
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2024, 10:43:50 AM
Ejiro is far and away my first choice among those that have been DCs before. Really don't want a retread former head coach.
I'd love to see them look at the assistants who can prove to be adaptable. There are some former Packer players who might be in that mold - Marquand Manuel & Al Harris. Harris gets knocked down because of the playoff game, but the reality is that the Packers have had the answers for Dan Quinns system. How Harris differentiates would be key. Hewitt from Baltimores staff is another.
I would have also gone after Umich DC Minter, but reality is he was probably always tied to Harbaugh
Agree on Hewitt
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2024, 10:10:23 AM
Who are your candidates? Not saying you're wrong about Parker. He could be a great DC, he could be a bust.
I think coordinator hires are going to younger and younger guys across the board. My first choice would still be Ejiro Evero, though I'm not sure he'll be an option
Martindale would be my top choice, but concern with him is he hasn't left his last two jobs on very good terms. Seems like he's difficult to manage. But he can coach aggressive defenses.
The Buffalo assistant they interviewed seems intriguing. Buffalo had a lot of injuries this year on that side of the ball and were still very competitive. McDermott isn't a great head coach, but is a solid defensive coach that he's learned from.
Evero would probably be fine too.
Not saying Parker can't do it but why take such a big gamble when they're going to be serious contenders next year? It's time they get this hire right finally.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 28, 2024, 12:21:42 PM
Martindale would be my top choice, but concern with him is he hasn't left his last two jobs on very good terms. Seems like he's difficult to manage. But he can coach aggressive defenses.
The Buffalo assistant they interviewed seems intriguing. Buffalo had a lot of injuries this year on that side of the ball and were still very competitive. McDermott isn't a great head coach, but is a solid defensive coach that he's learned from.
Evero would probably be fine too.
Not saying Parker can't do it but why take such a big gamble when they're going to be serious contenders next year? It's time they get this hire right finally.
Evero said no I believe. BB from Buffalo would be my first pick, but everyone raves about Christian Parker as well. Watch an interview or two with the guy and I think you're mind might be changed.
As for Wink? Nah, no thanks.
(https://i.imgur.com/CCJnthw.jpeg)
Packers need serious help at the interior line positions, and can afford to dump some expensive guys. Bahk is 100% gone, and I wouldn't be surprised if they move on from Devondre and Preston Smith.
Based on some of these grades the Packers are actually kinda loaded at the edge.
Also, it should come as a surprise to no one that Aaron Jones is the Packers best player. When he was out the offense sputtered and they lost games. With him, they're a much more dynamic team.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 28, 2024, 12:31:59 PM
Evero said no I believe. BB from Buffalo would be my first pick, but everyone raves about Christian Parker as well. Watch an interview or two with the guy and I think you're mind might be changed.
As for Wink? Nah, no thanks.
I really have no interest in who's "raving" about him. Especially publicly. Save it. Plenty raved about Adrian Griffin.
If Parker is so great, why has only one other team given him an interview?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 28, 2024, 12:35:48 PM
I really have no interest in who's "raving" about him. Especially publicly. Save it. Plenty raved about Adrian Griffin.
If Parker is so great, why has only one other team given him an interview?
So what are you basing your evaluation of Christian Parker on? Your feelings? His age?
If his peers say he is the real deal and his players love playing for him... what's the issue?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 28, 2024, 12:35:48 PM
I really have no interest in who's "raving" about him. Especially publicly. Save it. Plenty raved about Adrian Griffin.
If Parker is so great, why has only one other team given him an interview?
Age.
Also, people weren't raving about Griffin. He had numerous interviews over the years and no one else hired him.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 28, 2024, 12:31:59 PM
Evero said no I believe.
The Panthers are not letting Evero interview for other DC jobs. They have that right, because those are considered lateral moves.
They have let him interview for a couple of head-coach openings, and interviewed him for their own opening before hiring Canales.
jim leonard
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 28, 2024, 03:47:00 PM
jim leonard
Yeah, need to get the guy who cut his teeth dominating the high-powered offenses of the Big Ten West
Yeah it looks like there is no interest by the Packers. Leonhard has his opportunity and turned it down.
And maybe he's not interested either.
Quote from: MU82 on January 28, 2024, 02:28:47 PM
The Panthers are not letting Evero interview for other DC jobs. They have that right, because those are considered lateral moves.
They have let him interview for a couple of head-coach openings, and interviewed him for their own opening before hiring Canales.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/29/ejiro-evero-could-still-be-in-play-for-packers-as-defensive-coordinator-candidate/?taid=65b82dfbde625d00014abcef&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 29, 2024, 05:54:35 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/29/ejiro-evero-could-still-be-in-play-for-packers-as-defensive-coordinator-candidate/?taid=65b82dfbde625d00014abcef&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter
Not a single word in the article says that he is available.
Jeff Hafley it is. Huh
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2024, 05:34:21 PM
Jeff Hafley it is. Huh
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/media/larry-david-confused-gif.101047/full)
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 31, 2024, 05:59:14 PM
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/media/larry-david-confused-gif.101047/full)
Out of left field hire. Likes to play press coverage, so, I'm sure that'll make plenty of people happy
Looks like he was DB coach when Saleh was DC in SF. That's intriguing at least.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 31, 2024, 06:11:07 PM
Looks like he was DB coach when Saleh was DC in SF. That's intriguing at least.
Bruce Feldman is raving about him which means he gives Feldman insider info. Did write an article about how he improved the tackling practices at Ohio State and lord knows the Packers sucked at tackling
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2024, 06:02:00 PM
Out of left field hire. Likes to play press coverage, so, I'm sure that'll make plenty of people happy
He also never went 0-16 so that's promising.
I mean who knows if this is a good hire. Will wait and see.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2024, 06:53:20 PM
I mean who knows if this is a good hire. Will wait and see.
I think he should be fired
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2024, 07:03:41 PM
I think he should be fired
Don't wait to jump on the bandwagon. I can respect that.
Don't hate it...isn't a nepotism hire so i guess that's good
Impressed he was retained by Shanahan when he got the Niners job. Also, two years under Saleh and co- defensive coordinator at tOSU. It looks like he's been part of successful defenses wherever he's been. A lot of NFL and high level college experience. He looks ready for this step up and that he's earned his chance.
Also will be completely schematically different than Barry. Loves playing man coverage. No more DB's playing 7 yards off on 3rd and 4.
He seems like a winner. I think LaFleur did well. Choice is surprising only because I think literally no one had him as a potential candidate, no one apparently knew he was interviewing, etc.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 31, 2024, 07:36:09 PM
Don't hate it...isn't a nepotism hire so i guess that's good
We sure about that? Per ESPN:
"[Hafley's] a longtime friend of LaFleur's and longtime admirer of the Packers franchise...While LaFleur and Hafley have never directly worked together, they have some mutual connections. Hafley was the Browns' defensive backs coach in 2014-15 under then-head coach Mike Pettine, who was LaFleur's first defensive coordinator in Green Bay (2019-20). Hafley also worked for 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan, one of LaFleur's mentors."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39429573/sources-packers-hire-boston-college-jeff-hafley-dc
Compatibility isn't necessarily a bad thing. But we heard plenty about how LaFleur and Barry were good buddies. You just hope he's not prioritizing personality over scheme in his hiring process.
Quote from: YaBlueIt on February 01, 2024, 10:36:51 AM
We sure about that? Per ESPN:
"[Hafley's] a longtime friend of LaFleur's and longtime admirer of the Packers franchise...While LaFleur and Hafley have never directly worked together, they have some mutual connections. Hafley was the Browns' defensive backs coach in 2014-15 under then-head coach Mike Pettine, who was LaFleur's first defensive coordinator in Green Bay (2019-20). Hafley also worked for 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan, one of LaFleur's mentors."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39429573/sources-packers-hire-boston-college-jeff-hafley-dc
Compatibility isn't necessarily a bad thing. But we heard plenty about how LaFleur and Barry were good buddies. You just hope he's not prioritizing personality over scheme in his hiring process.
Yea, I think it's fair to say Lafleur does not cast a very wide net.
Do most coaches?
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/brian-gutekunst-were-really-excited-to-build-around-jordan-love
Packers hire Anthony Campanile as new LBs coach. Was in Miami prior. Campanile interviewed for the Giants DC job this off-season
Congrats to Julius Peppers. Well earned Hall of Fame
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/09/former-packers-edge-rusher-julius-peppers-elected-to-pro-football-hall-of-fame-on-first-ballot/
It will be interesting to see how moving to a four man defensive line will affect the Packers draft. IMO, I don't think it will affect things like it did when Capers was hired and they drafted Raji and traded up for Clay in the 1st round.
I think the bodies are in place for a 4-3 or 4-2(when in nickel).
Quote from: Jockey on February 09, 2024, 06:05:17 PM
It will be interesting to see how moving to a four man defensive line will affect the Packers draft. IMO, I don't think it will affect things like it did when Capers was hired and they drafted Raji and traded up for Clay in the 1st round.
I think the bodies are in place for a 4-3 or 4-2(when in nickel).
The line looms better than it has in a long time. I think Wyatt and Brooks work better in a single gap scheme, and Wooden isn't as much a tweener.
The profile of player you're looking for at linebacker changes but it was a big need regardless of coordinator and scheme
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 09, 2024, 05:02:22 PM
Congrats to Julius Peppers. Well earned Hall of Fame
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/09/former-packers-edge-rusher-julius-peppers-elected-to-pro-football-hall-of-fame-on-first-ballot/
He was such a freak athlete. Missed like 6 games his entire career. Great player and was still very good on the Pack. Well deserved for him.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 09, 2024, 06:10:31 PM
He was such a freak athlete. Missed like 6 games his entire career. Great player and was still very good on the Pack. Well deserved for him.
Solid basketball player, too.
Nm
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/19/packers-hiring-49ers-aaron-hill-as-new-strength-and-conditioning-coach/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/22/pff-names-wr-dontayvion-wicks-as-packers-secret-superstar/?taid=65d7ee1b3648f2000153af5f&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/01/packers-not-expected-to-re-sign-free-agent-rb-a-j-dillon/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 02, 2024, 09:04:08 AM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/01/packers-not-expected-to-re-sign-free-agent-rb-a-j-dillon/
Nor should they. He had a great opportunity last year and did nothing with it. Move on and find an upgrade.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 02, 2024, 09:12:19 AM
Nor should they. He had a great opportunity last year and did nothing with it. Move on and find an upgrade.
Eh, if they can get him real cheap they should. Knows the offense, blocks his ass off, etc. There is a glut of RBs available so the amount he'll be able to command should be small.
So, for the right price I'm fine with him being RB3
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 02, 2024, 09:37:52 AM
Eh, if they can get him real cheap they should. Knows the offense, blocks his ass off, etc. There is a glut of RBs available so the amount he'll be able to command should be small.
So, for the right price I'm fine with him being RB3
He's going to have a chance to be RB2 or 1B. Let him walk - there are plenty of guys that fit his mold in the draft that you get in the 4th or later.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 02, 2024, 11:02:06 AM
He's going to have a chance to be RB2 or 1B. Let him walk - there are plenty of guys that fit his mold in the draft that you get in the 4th or later.
He will not be a RB1 anywhere. His legs are behind him, and there are many other available backs on the FA market.
Honestly, wouldn't be surprised to see him get a vet min
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 02, 2024, 09:37:52 AM
Eh, if they can get him real cheap they should. Knows the offense, blocks his ass off, etc. There is a glut of RBs available so the amount he'll be able to command should be small.
So, for the right price I'm fine with him being RB3
Rb3 means sometimes not even active on game day and when active, role is almost entirely on special teams. He's not going to settle for that role, nor is there a "right price" he and team would anywhere near agree to. The price of that role is about league minimum and little to no signing bonus. That's a role for a rookie or very young player who's either a special teams dynamo and/or a guy you think can develop into an expanded role as RB.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 02, 2024, 11:09:24 AM
He will not be a RB1 anywhere. His legs are behind him, and there are many other available backs on the FA market.
Honestly, wouldn't be surprised to see him get a vet min
Still wouldn't do it if I'm GB. Get 4 years of a rookie like Allen or Estime in the middle rounds
Crazy day for Packers
Release Aaron Jones
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/11/packers-announce-release-of-rb-aaron-jones-today-is-a-tough-day-for-the-packers/
Sign Josh Jacobs
https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-expected-to-sign-ex-raiders-rb-josh-jacobs
As expected release Bakhtiari
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/11/packers-announce-release-of-lt-david-bakhtiari-one-of-the-best-linemen-in-the-history-of-the-packers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 11, 2024, 06:44:10 PM
Crazy day for Packers
Release Aaron Jones
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/11/packers-announce-release-of-rb-aaron-jones-today-is-a-tough-day-for-the-packers/
Sign Josh Jacobs
https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-expected-to-sign-ex-raiders-rb-josh-jacobs
As expected release Bakhtiari
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/11/packers-announce-release-of-lt-david-bakhtiari-one-of-the-best-linemen-in-the-history-of-the-packers/
Everyone knows all of this. Maybe try having an original thought instead of just being a copy boy for AP.
Quote from: Jockey on March 11, 2024, 07:14:57 PM
Everyone knows all of this. Maybe try having an original thought instead of just being a copy boy for AP.
And he's missing they signed Xavier McKinney
Huh, hey?
Wow, without Aaron Jones, no way they are in the playoffs last season.
As dumb as releasing Davante Adams?
Definitely fills a need for The Packers.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/11/packers-to-sign-safety-xavier-mckinney-to-4-year-68m-deal/
Still doesn't make up for release Aaron Jones . Heart and Soul of the team.
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 11, 2024, 07:41:36 PM
Wow, without Aaron Jones, no way they are in the playoffs last season.
As dumb as releasing Davante Adams?
They didn't release Davante Adams
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 11, 2024, 07:42:31 PM
Definitely fills a need for The Packers.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/11/packers-to-sign-safety-xavier-mckinney-to-4-year-68m-deal/
Still doesn't make up for release Aaron Jones . Heart and Soul of the team.
Remember when you said they should trade Love and Carlson was the best player on the team?
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 11, 2024, 07:41:36 PM
Wow, without Aaron Jones, no way they are in the playoffs last season.
As dumb as releasing Davante Adams?
lol
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 11, 2024, 07:42:31 PM
Definitely fills a need for The Packers.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/11/packers-to-sign-safety-xavier-mckinney-to-4-year-68m-deal/
Still doesn't make up for release Aaron Jones . Heart and Soul of the team.
If a 30 year old RB is the heart and soul of your team, you won't be good for very long.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/11/aaron-jones-declined-significant-pay-cut-from-packers-before-being-released/?taid=65f05fff26cd00000160703e&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter
Quote from: Jockey on March 11, 2024, 07:14:57 PM
Everyone knows all of this. Maybe try having an original thought instead of just being a copy boy for AP.
Yo man, have a drink or something.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 13, 2024, 06:17:32 AM
Yo man, have a drink or something.
I appreciate your opinion of my post. Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with me. Opinion - not press releases - is the backbone of an Internet forum.
Excellent move by The Packers. Nixon=Difference Maker
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/12/packers-re-signing-cb-kr-keisean-nixon-on-3-year-deal/
Wow first Aaron Jones now De'Vondre
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/13/packers-announce-release-of-lb-devondre-campbell-tremendous-leader-and-true-pro/
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 14, 2024, 06:26:31 AM
Wow first Aaron Jones now De'Vondre
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/13/packers-announce-release-of-lb-devondre-campbell-tremendous-leader-and-true-pro/
He was terrible last year. Then again, you wanted to trade Jordan Love and thought Anders Carlson was the best player on the team, so your judgment on these matters is worse than your judgment on college basketball
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 14, 2024, 06:26:31 AM
Wow first Aaron Jones now De'Vondre
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/13/packers-announce-release-of-lb-devondre-campbell-tremendous-leader-and-true-pro/
This was expected. He is old and washed.
Low risk deal with Dillon
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/15/re-signing-aj-dillon-doesnt-alter-packers-plans-at-rb-in-draft/
Sounds like the Packers are adding a third kicker. Greg Joseph might be signing a deal.
Weird move since Herm told us Carlson was the best player on the team.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2024, 12:04:10 PM
Sounds like the Packers are adding a third kicker. Greg Joseph might be signing a deal.
Weird move since Herm told us Carlson was the best player on the team.
Maybe he's being signed as a specialist for extra points and the gimme kicks within 40 yards
City of Green Bay versus the Packers is certainly interesting from both perspectives. I can see where the Mayor/city government feels like Lambeau is tapped out on revenue and it has to be used for more than just Packer football, and I can certainly understand the Packers side of things.
Still 9 years on the lease, but will be interesting to see what type of posturing the Packers do.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2024, 09:05:42 PM
City of Green Bay versus the Packers is certainly interesting from both perspectives. I can see where the Mayor/city government feels like Lambeau is tapped out on revenue and it has to be used for more than just Packer football, and I can certainly understand the Packers side of things.
Still 9 years on the lease, but will be interesting to see what type of posturing the Packers do.
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2024/03/26/green-bay-packers-lambeau-field-lease#:~:text=go%20until%202043.%E2%80%9D-,The%20Packers%20paid%20%241.157M%20to%20the%20city%20for%20use,GAZETTE%2C%203%2F26).
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2024, 09:05:42 PM
City of Green Bay versus the Packers is certainly interesting from both perspectives. I can see where the Mayor/city government feels like Lambeau is tapped out on revenue and it has to be used for more than just Packer football, and I can certainly understand the Packers side of things.
Still 9 years on the lease, but will be interesting to see what type of posturing the Packers do.
Honestly, the problem I have with the situation is the Packers decided to make all this public. Mark probably should have shut up. He has a year left on his deal and could have let the new guy deal with the situation.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2024, 06:07:21 AM
Honestly, the problem I have with the situation is the Packers decided to make all this public. Mark probably should have shut up. He has a year left on his deal and could have let the new guy deal with the situation.
And I really don't blame the City here. The line that the City has one of the best lease deals in sports is obviously misleading because those deals are always weighted in favor of the team.
Furthermore, all of the investment the Packers have been making in the local neighborhoods hasn't been in Green Bay. The Titletown District is in Ashwaubenon. As is the Hutson Center and the Resch Center. Obviously the City benefits from the Packers in many ways, but that doesn't mean it has to accept a terrible lease.
And the Packers cancelling $80 million worth of off-seasons projects just looks so petty.
One thing that goes unsaid here is that I know both sides are concerned about the long-term viability of the seating bowl portion of the stadium. It eventually is going to need some significant maintenance, but I don't know how you do that given schedules and the fact its an ADA nightmare.
My pure guess is Murphy went public to put whatever public pressure he/the team can start to levy out there. I agree that I think this was a dumb play, unless the Packers long term plan is to move.
I'd be curious what the STH % is for Brown County (I have no idea). I'd be lying if I said I knew the Packers charter in and out. I would assume if the Packers wanted to move to Milwaukee, the Board of Directors would put it to a vote, and then conduct a stock sale to fund a new stadium (?).
I agree that it was a ploy to put leverage on the City, but that's not going to work...at least for now.
But the Packers are for sure going to stay in Green Bay. Not a chance they move. The Board of Directors is mostly made up of people from the Green Bay area. And furthermore, there is zero reason for the leadership of the team to go through that nightmare. There is no owner to enrich here.
What you are seeing here is a (rightfully IMO) annoyed City of Green Bay being asked to accept less money while the team is investing heavily in projects located in the Village of Ashwaubenon. Outside of ancillary economic benefits, Green Bay gets nothing from what happens in the new Titletown District. And I would argue that Titletown is taking away weekend activity that used to occur elsewhere in the area too.
IMO they will eventually sort this out. They will figure out some compromise position, and the Packers will announce some sort of project in the City at the same time or shortly after.
Packers thinking about drafting another QB to add to reserve pool
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/03/27/packers-may-add-qb-in-draft-but-remain-excited-about-sean-clifford/
Packers Have serious Draft Capital this year
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/packers-have-11-picks-2024-nfl-draft#:~:text=GREEN%20BAY%2C%20Wis.,in%20the%20first%20three%20rounds.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/13/zach-toms-future-at-rt-or-c-dictates-how-packers-approach-nfl-draft/
Guty Press Conference Highlights
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/22/highlights-from-brian-gutekunsts-pre-draft-press-conference/
Pack needed a tackle
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 25, 2024, 10:12:11 PM
Pack needed a tackle
Jordan Morgan Az 6'5" 311 LB left tackle
Excellent 2nd and 3rd round picks for Packers
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 26, 2024, 10:08:06 PM
Excellent 2nd and 3rd round picks for Packers
well crap, now I am disappointed in their picks...
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 26, 2024, 10:16:14 PM
well crap, now I am disappointed in their picks...
Yup. Absolute kiss of death
Can't teach speed
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/27/packers-got-a-lot-faster-on-defense-with-edgerrin-cooper-and-javon-bullard/
Gutey with nice 5th round value . Got pick in trade
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kitan-oladapo/32004f4c-4108-3057-70ea-361ad5227056
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 27, 2024, 02:46:34 PM
Gutey with nice 5th round value . Got pick in trade
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kitan-oladapo/32004f4c-4108-3057-70ea-361ad5227056
What is it like being wrong all the time? It's remarkable
Packers didn't pick a kicker meaning Anders Carlson is probably front runner to be kicker next year.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 27, 2024, 09:37:34 AM
Can't teach speed
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/27/packers-got-a-lot-faster-on-defense-with-edgerrin-cooper-and-javon-bullard/
big guy for a safety 6'2" 216 love his prospects
Overall solid draft for Packers. Round two Pick from Jets was a big win.
https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/teams/green-bay-packers/2024
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 27, 2024, 07:57:18 PM
big guy for a safety 6'2" 216 love his prospects
Man, sad he'll stink if you two morons like him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 27, 2024, 08:09:22 PM
Man, sad he'll stink if you two morons like him
you just have no self control do ya? never said I liked him
do you ever have anything else to do but troll scoop and whatever other sites you subscribe to? can't you find another hobby to go with your gerbil farms and blow painting
Quote from: rocket surgeon on April 27, 2024, 08:25:39 PM
you just have no self control do ya? never said I liked him
do you ever have anything else to do but troll scoop and whatever other sites you subscribe to? can't you find another hobby to go with your gerbil farms and blow painting
Thoroughly enjoy laughing at idiots like you and Herm
Packers pick up some quality talent from undrafted free agents
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/27/tracking-packers-undrafted-free-agent-signings-following-2024-draft/
None of these guys will make the team.
Quote from: Jockey on April 29, 2024, 11:57:36 AM
None of these guys will make the team.
Eh, the $ they gave Jennings suggests he'll get a pretty good look at being a depth piece. Also, even a UDFA long snapper has a reasonable shot to stick.
These guys might not make the team, most won't, but of all the teams in the league, the Packers almost always seem to end up with at least one UDFA on their 53.
Quote from: jficke13 on April 29, 2024, 12:24:16 PM
Eh, the $ they gave Jennings suggests he'll get a pretty good look at being a depth piece. Also, even a UDFA long snapper has a reasonable shot to stick.
These guys might not make the team, most won't, but of all the teams in the league, the Packers almost always seem to end up with at least one UDFA on their 53.
Normally, yeah. But this is the first real year of NIL affecting the draft. Lots of 6th and 7 th rounders this year would be FAs pre-NIL.
Quote from: Jockey on April 29, 2024, 02:22:28 PM
Normally, yeah. But this is the first real year of NIL affecting the draft. Lots of 6th and 7 th rounders this year would be FAs pre-NIL.
Need a quality Practice Squad.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 29, 2024, 04:20:44 PM
Need a quality Practice Squad.
How about a quality kicker
Eric Stokes 5th year option year declined. Packers can still sign him to a longer term deal if he maintains his health.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/05/02/packers-decline-fifth-year-option-for-cb-eric-stokes/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/05/15/packers-scheduled-to-play-4-straight-primetime-games-late-in-2024-season/
Love focused on technical details . Continuous improvement mentality he possesses is Excellent news
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/05/24/packers-qb-jordan-love-trying-to-improve-pocket-movement-this-offseason/
Love extension is on the way
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jordan-love-extension-packers-qb-heard-new-deal-could-get-done-prior-to-camp-gm-says-that-would-be-ideal/
Packers best player (according to some here on Scoop) has some competition
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/packers-heading-toward-training-camp-with-a-three-way-kicker-competition
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/06/18/pff-predicts-big-breakout-seasons-from-te-luke-musgrave-dl-karl-brooks/
Packers signed James Turner yesterday. He was recently released by the Lions. He's the 4th kicker on the roster despite Carlson being the Packers best player
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2024, 08:51:41 AM
Packers signed James Turner yesterday. He was recently released by the Lions. He's the 4th kicker on the roster despite Carlson being the Packers best player
They released one of the other three (not Carlson) earlier in the week.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 21, 2024, 08:53:46 AM
They released one of the other three (not Carlson) earlier in the week.
They can't release their best player
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 21, 2024, 08:53:46 AM
They released one of the other three (not Carlson) earlier in the week.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/06/21/what-are-packers-getting-in-new-k-james-turner/
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 21, 2024, 08:53:46 AM
They released one of the other three (not Carlson) earlier in the week.
My guess is that Carlson will be the kicker for extra points and FGS. He won't kick off.
JMO, but I think a lot of non-kickers will be kicking off this year.
Jordan Love proposed to his GF Ronika Stone and she accepted. She has as many rings as dingbat Aaron Rodgers.
It'll be nice for Green Bay's QB not to be a scumbag, lowlife like Bert Farve or drug addled hippie like Aaron Rodgers and instead, a true family man the community can respect.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 23, 2024, 07:30:51 PM
Jordan Love proposed to his GF Ronika Stone and she accepted. She has as many rings as dingbat Aaron Rodgers.
It'll be nice for Green Bay's QB not to be a scumbag, lowlife like Bert Farve or drug addled hippie like Aaron Rodgers and instead, a true family man the community can respect.
Jordan's found the loophole in the 3 month salary rule
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/06/20/4-packers-entering-a-make-or-break-season-in-2024/
Least surprising news ever.
Pete Dougherty
@PeteDougherty
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3m
Packers are naming Ed Policy successor to Mark Murphy as president and CEO:
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 24, 2024, 08:42:10 AM
Least surprising news ever.
Pete Dougherty
@PeteDougherty
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3m
Packers are naming Ed Policy successor to Mark Murphy as president and CEO:
Ugh. He's pretty woke
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 24, 2024, 08:42:10 AM
Least surprising news ever.
Pete Dougherty
@PeteDougherty
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3m
Packers are naming Ed Policy successor to Mark Murphy as president and CEO:
Not surprising. Ed Policy tends to get a lot of press in an election year.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 24, 2024, 08:42:10 AM
Least surprising news ever.
Pete Dougherty
@PeteDougherty
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3m
Packers are naming Ed Policy successor to Mark Murphy as president and CEO:
https://www.packers.com/news/ed-policy-named-next-green-bay-packers-chairman-president-and-ceo
Josh Jacobs bullish on Jordan Love
https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/packers-josh-jacobs-jordan-love-going-nfls-next-superstar
Love bullish on Wicks
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/07/16/packers-jordan-love-dontayvion-wicks-monster-year-breakout-candidate-2024-season-nfl/
Clark signs 3 year extension. Other than QBs, isn't it pretty unusual for GB to sign guys to their 3rd contract?
Also don't understand the delay on Love. Packers screwed themselves by not getting something done early, so the money faucet just keeps dripping away. The longer they wait, the higher the price.
I have little doubt that Love will practice without a contract, but would be shocked if he ever plays a down where he isn't wearing the red jersey.
I would guess that something is announced soon. Perhaps even tomorrow.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 06:48:02 PM
I would guess that something is announced soon. Perhaps even tomorrow.
That's been the thinking all along. Maybe its been Love's side causing the delay?
Is Love better than Goff? Are the Packers willing to pay him more than Goff?
Quote from: Jockey on July 21, 2024, 06:55:13 PM
That's been the thinking all along. Maybe its been Love's side causing the delay?
They're trying to figure out how to pay Love and Anders Carlson, the best player on the team
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2024, 07:00:35 PM
They're trying to figure out how to pay Love and Anders Carlson, the best player on the team
Maybe a Bobby Bonilla-type deal for Anders.
Packers will get Love deal done sooner rather than later . Quality QBs happy to play on GB don't grow on trees.
It's Jor-ver. Trade the diva and then trade for Russell Wilson
As long as Carlson gets paid
Competition for kicker
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/07/23/anders-carlson-gets-off-to-perfect-start-during-rainy-day-of-packers-training-camp/
https://www.si.com/nfl/jordan-love-contract-needs-rival-trevor-lawrence-get-done-quickly-per-report
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 25, 2024, 05:32:06 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/jordan-love-contract-needs-rival-trevor-lawrence-get-done-quickly-per-report
He is better than Lawrence. Lawrence is garbage, playing for a garbage franchise in a garbage city
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 25, 2024, 06:34:58 PM
He is better than Lawrence. Lawrence is garbage, playing for a garbage franchise in a garbage city
How dare you say such a thing about a city that has not 1, not 2, not 3 ... but
11 Hardee's!
Quote from: MU82 on July 25, 2024, 09:22:41 PM
How dare you say such a thing about a city that has not 1, not 2, not 3 ... but 11 Hardee's!
No reasonable person lives in Jacksonville or near it
It has a really nice TGI Fridays.
Quote from: tower912 on July 26, 2024, 05:14:20 AM
It has a really nice TGI Fridays.
Probably with a strip club in back.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 25, 2024, 06:34:58 PM
He is better than Lawrence. Lawrence is garbage, playing for a garbage franchise in a garbage city
Love is propped up by his kicker.
As soon as Tua agreed to his extension, knew this would be done soon there after.
Love, 4 year extension, $75M signing bonus (largest in NFL history), $220M total, $55M APY (matching Burrow/Lawrence).
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 26, 2024, 08:15:30 PM
As soon as Tua agreed to his extension, knew this would be done soon there after.
Love, 4 year extension, $75M signing bonus (largest in NFL history), $220M total, $55M APY (matching Burrow/Lawrence).
Excellent news
https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-signing-qb-jordan-love-to-four-year-220-million-contract-extension
Glad it's done and we can move on
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 26, 2024, 08:31:45 PM
Carlson gonna get paid
Jordan love with the largest signing bonus in NFL History...so far
The Cowboys inability to sign Dak to an extension is REALLY going to come back to bite them.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 26, 2024, 09:14:15 PM
The Cowboys inability to sign Dak to an extension is REALLY going to come back to bite them.
It's going to be really interesting to see Dak hit the open market, both to see what he'll get and where he winds up. Teams with a ton of cap space next year either don't have a need, or just drafted a QB, with the exception of one team (Pittsburgh).
But I bet a couple of those teams that just drafted a QB won't have the patience and will try to throw a bunch of money at the "quick fix." The Cowboys are really going to regret this IMO.
The really interesting QB contract decision coming will be Purdy. I just could not give him $200M+.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 26, 2024, 09:38:42 PM
But I bet a couple of those teams that just drafted a QB won't have the patience and will try to throw a bunch of money at the "quick fix." The Cowboys are really going to regret this IMO.
At least they have Jerry Jones to identify their QB of the future.
I love this. SKOL!!
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 26, 2024, 09:14:15 PM
The Cowboys inability to sign Dak to an extension is REALLY going to come back to bite them.
No it won't. He's a playoff choker and failure. They're idiots if they give him a Love, Lawrence, Burrow, etc., type deal. He is nowhere near a franchise qb.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 26, 2024, 11:42:36 PM
No it won't. He's a playoff choker and failure. They're idiots if they give him a Love, Lawrence, Burrow, etc., type deal. He is nowhere near a franchise qb.
Dak will get a deal north of what Love and Lawrence just got. He will get 4 or 5 years, $60M per year, most of it guaranteed.
I don't think you have a full understanding of how dire the quarterbacking situation is, how much money is floating around, and how much teams will throw that money at a QB. Even if he isn't great...but you are being hyperbolic here. Dak isn't an all time great, but he's a top 10 NFL quarterback right now.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 26, 2024, 09:04:50 PM
Jordan love with the largest signing bonus in NFL History...so far
It's a good deal for both sides. GB can cut ties relatively quickly if he's a 1-year wonder. Love can reset the market if he continues progressing.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 27, 2024, 05:41:52 AM
Dak will get a deal north of what Love and Lawrence just got. He will get 4 or 5 years, $60M per year, most of it guaranteed.
I don't think you have a full understanding of how dire the quarterbacking situation is, how much money is floating around, and how much teams will throw that money at a QB. Even if he isn't great...but you are being hyperbolic here. Dak isn't an all time great, but he's a top 10 NFL quarterback right now.
If Dallas thought he was worth that it would already be done. If I were them, I'd pay and lock up Lamb and Parsons now and make Prescott have a prove it year.
Saying Prescott isn't an all time great is one of the understatements of the year.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 26, 2024, 09:52:34 PM
The really interesting QB contract decision coming will be Purdy. I just could not give him $200M+.
Curious why? His resume is better than Love's. I would have guessed $220M is the floor now.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 27, 2024, 08:05:44 AM
If Dallas thought he was worth that it would already be done. If I were them, I'd pay and lock up Lamb and Parsons now and make Prescott have a prove it year.
Saying Prescott isn't an all time great is one of the understatements of the year.
Signing a big name receiver over a big time quarterback is worthless. It gets you Davante Adams with no one to throw to him. Parsons I agree with.
But someone will pay that to Dak. And the Cowboys will be where exactly?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 27, 2024, 09:21:41 AM
Signing a big name receiver over a big time quarterback is worthless. It gets you Davante Adams with no one to throw to him. Parsons I agree with.
But someone will pay that to Dak. And the Cowboys will be where exactly?
Not in salary cap hell paying a 31 year old qb with a 2-5 playoff record who has only won in the wild card round. It's not like he's going to suddenly become Brady/Mahomes/Montana in postseason this far into his career.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 27, 2024, 10:20:37 AM
Not in salary cap hell paying a 31 year old qb with a 2-5 playoff record who has never won except in the wild card round. It's not like he's going to suddenly become Brady/Mahomes/Montana in postseason this far into his career.
Who says he has to be at that level? And if they don't pay him, who are they getting? Trey Lance? Cooper Rush?
And if you draft well, there really isn't a thing called salary cap hell in the NFL. You can defer and defer and defer until you take a big charge in a year and move on. Like the Packers did with Rodgers.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 26, 2024, 09:38:42 PM
But I bet a couple of those teams that just drafted a QB won't have the patience and will try to throw a bunch of money at the "quick fix." The Cowboys are really going to regret this IMO.
Cough Denver Cough Cough.
I don't think it really matters as long as Jerry owns the Cowboys.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 27, 2024, 09:03:54 AM
Curious why? His resume is better than Love's. I would have guessed $220M is the floor now.
No, it isn't. He is on a team filled with superstars making him look better than he is.
The problem with Purdy is that he's good enough to effectively run the Niner offense, which as you said is full of talent. For instance, Jimmy Garapolo lead this team to the Super Bowl, and this group is even more talented.
The question is whether or not he's worth significant investment. But I'm not sure they will have much choice.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 31, 2024, 06:40:42 AM
The problem with Purdy is that he's good enough to effectively run the Niner offense, which as you said is full of talent. For instance, Jimmy Garapolo lead this team to the Super Bowl, and this group is even more talented.
The question is whether or not he's worth significant investment. But I'm not sure they will have much choice.
Thing is, there wasn't any game I watched and was truly impressed with Purdy. He has every single thing going for him with that offense from a stellar line, to the best RB, and TE in the game, and really good WRs too.
You put Jordan in that offense last year, and they probably win the Super Bowl.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 31, 2024, 06:12:41 AM
No, it isn't. He is on a team filled with superstars making him look better than he is.
You and many others can feel that way and may be right (I'd bet your right). But when the agents walks into the negotiations the numbers and data points are on Purdy's side that he has performed better and longer.
I said last year I like Love (even as a Bears fan). But there are actual cases that show sometimes players can have great runs or seasons that do not continue for a career. Hell, in Trubisky's second season he was considered as MVP in straw polls through 8 games and went to a pro bowl. The NFL had 12 games of his first season to get a read on him and he still put up great/MVP numbers for half a season in 2018.
Purdy's agent and the 49ers know this better than any of us.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 31, 2024, 08:59:07 AM
You and many others can feel that way and may be right (I'd bet your right). But when the agents walks into the negotiations the numbers and data points are on Purdy's side that he has performed better and longer.
I said last year I like Love (even as a Bears fan). But there are actual cases that show sometimes players can have great runs or seasons that do not continue for a career. Hell, in Trubisky's second season he was considered as MVP in straw polls through 8 games and went to a pro bowl. The NFL had 12 games of his first season to get a read on him and he still put up great/MVP numbers for half a season in 2018.
Purdy's agent and the 49ers know this better than any of us.
All true as well. But for the reasons that have been outlined I am not sure the 49ers give Purdy more than Love got.
One thing is for sure, Maholmes is underpaid.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 31, 2024, 09:08:21 AM
All true as well. But for the reasons that have been outlined I am not sure the 49ers give Purdy more than Love got.
One thing is for sure, Maholmes is underpaid.
Doesn't Mahomes keep restructuring his deal so they can afford to field a full team?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 31, 2024, 09:32:50 AM
Doesn't Mahomes keep restructuring his deal so they can afford to field a full team?
Yeah but money is neither being created nor destroyed. Just moved around and deferred.
He traded short term average annual value for long-term stability.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/is-patrick-mahomes-underpaid-how-chiefs-qb-contract-stacks-up-against-recent-extensions-nfl-2024/
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 31, 2024, 09:40:44 AM
Yeah but money is neither being created nor destroyed. Just moved around and deferred.
He traded short term average annual value for long-term stability.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/is-patrick-mahomes-underpaid-how-chiefs-qb-contract-stacks-up-against-recent-extensions-nfl-2024/
I think the hope to is that as the salary cap keeps rising, as you defer it, it's a smaller percentage.
With Rodgers for instance, it just got to the point the Packers were willing to swallow the pill and take the lumps the deferring caused.
Harrison Butker reset the bar for Anders next contract.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on August 05, 2024, 03:33:37 PM
Harrison Butker reset the bar for Anders next contract.
What does the XFL even pay kickers?
Carlson showing why he's the best in the business today.
Packers Starters did well. Good to see momentum from last year carrying over
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/6-standouts-from-packers-preseason-opener-vs-browns/
Packers must be pretty good. I was forced to listen to the Browns announcers. The way they talk up their team, the Browns 2nd team could win the Super Bowl. And the packers handled them easily.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/6-standouts-from-packers-preseason-opener-vs-browns/
Tempera flare in joint scrimmage
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/08/16/friendly-fire-on-jordan-love-causes-skirmish-at-packers-broncos-joint-practice/
Second Stringers got some run tonight.
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 18, 2024, 07:14:49 AM
Tempera flare in joint scrimmage
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/08/16/friendly-fire-on-jordan-love-causes-skirmish-at-packers-broncos-joint-practice/
At first glance I thought you typed "tempura" which conjured amusing imagery.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 19, 2024, 08:13:30 PM
At first glance I thought you typed "tempura" which conjured amusing imagery.
(https://timetocookonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/drooling-homer-simpson.jpg?w=279)
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 31, 2024, 06:12:41 AM
No, it isn't. He is on a team filled with superstars making him look better than he is.
Like Bart Starr in the Packer's heyday.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 20, 2024, 03:04:21 PM
Like Bart Starr in the Packer's heyday.
What?
Career highlights and awards
2× Super Bowl champion (I, II)
2× Super Bowl MVP (I, II)
5× NFL champion (1961, 1962, 1965–1967)
NFL Most Valuable Player (1966)
First-team All-Pro (1966)
3× Second-team All-Pro (1961, 1962, 1964)
4× Pro Bowl (1960–1962, 1966)
4× NFL passer rating leader (1964, 1966, 1968, 1969)
4× NFL completion percentage leader (1962, 1966, 1968, 1969)
NFL 1960s All-Decade Team
Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame
Green Bay Packers No. 15 retired
You've said some things in the past, but this may be the dumbest.
Nm
Speculation on Packer Back up QBs
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/08/21/exploring-5-backup-qb-options-for-the-packers/
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 21, 2024, 07:37:33 AM
Speculation on Packer Back up QBs
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/08/21/exploring-5-backup-qb-options-for-the-packers/
They're going to go with 4 or 5. Unless there is an injury.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 21, 2024, 08:04:32 AM
They're going to go with 4 or 5. Unless there is an injury.
Somebody has been watching the Packers the last 25 years.
I think Ron Wolf would swing bigger but Ted / Gutey will stay in house and trust the coaching staff.
Quote from: The Lens on August 21, 2024, 12:32:31 PM
Somebody has been watching the Packers the last 25 years.
I think Ron Wolf would swing bigger but Ted / Gutey will stay in house and trust the coaching staff.
When Favre was young, the back ups were Brunnell and Detmer. They didn't get McMahon as a back up until '95, when Favre was well established as a starter.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 21, 2024, 06:50:12 AM
What?
Career highlights and awards
2× Super Bowl champion (I, II)
2× Super Bowl MVP (I, II)
5× NFL champion (1961, 1962, 1965–1967)
NFL Most Valuable Player (1966)
First-team All-Pro (1966)
3× Second-team All-Pro (1961, 1962, 1964)
4× Pro Bowl (1960–1962, 1966)
4× NFL passer rating leader (1964, 1966, 1968, 1969)
4× NFL completion percentage leader (1962, 1966, 1968, 1969)
NFL 1960s All-Decade Team
Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame
Green Bay Packers No. 15 retired
You've said some things in the past, but this may be the dumbest.
Bart Starr played behind one of the greatest offensive lines ever and handed the ball to one of the greatest backfields ever. 2nd and long and 3rd and long were foreign concepts to those teams. He wasn't very mobile and didn't have a great arm. He had 152 TDs, 138 INTs and a QB rating of 80.4. He averaged 126 yards passing per game.
He was a game manager. Like Bob Griese. An excellent one (like Griese) to be sure, but a game manager nonetheless - surrounded for much of his career by Hall of Fame players. When the Packer dynasty was at its peak, he put up some great numbers. In other years, not so much.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2024, 12:43:49 PM
Bart Starr played behind one of the greatest offensive lines ever and handed the ball to one of the greatest backfields ever. 2nd and long and 3rd and long were foreign concepts to those teams. He wasn't very mobile and didn't have a great arm. He had 152 TDs, 138 INTs and a QB rating of 80.4. He averaged 126 yards passing per game.
He was a game manager. Like Bob Griese. An excellent one (like Griese) to be sure, but a game manager nonetheless - surrounded for much of his career by Hall of Fame players. When the Packer dynasty was at its peak, he put up some great numbers. In other years, not so much.
Legitimately one of the funniest things that I've read on scoop.
Bart Starr is just like Brock Purdy.
The passing game in the 1960s is just like the 2020s.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 21, 2024, 12:51:10 PM
Legitimately one of the funniest things that I've read on scoop.
Bart Starr is just like Brock Purdy.
Lenny's is really hitting it out of the park with his football observations this week. First, Justin Fields met expectations, and now Brock Purdy is just like Bart Starr.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 21, 2024, 12:54:27 PM
Lenny's is really hitting it out of the park with his football observations this week. First, Justin Fields met expectations, and now Brock Purdy is just like Bart Starr.
You are a liar. I never said that Brock Purdy is "just like Bart Starr". I said that, like Purdy, Bart Starr looked better because he was surrounded by superstars. Which any honest person would concede. Hards never even saw Starr play, you likely didn't either.
The book isn't closed on Fields. So far he's been way better than 2 of the 3 QBs taken ahead of him. I won't be surprised if he eventually beats out Russell Wilson for the starting job in Pittsburgh.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2024, 01:08:27 PM
You are a liar. I never said that Brock Purdy is "just like Bart Starr". I said that, like Purdy, Bart Starr looked better because he was surrounded by superstars. Which any honest person would concede. Hards never even saw Starr play, you likely didn't either.
The book isn't closed on Fields. So far he's been way better than 2 of the 3 QBs taken ahead of him. I won't be surprised if he eventually beats out Russell Wilson for the starting job in Pittsburgh.
No, you're off your ass. Bart Starr was a
top three QB for the decade of the 1960s. The comparison falls apart right there. It was a terrible analogy.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2024, 01:08:27 PM
You are a liar. I never said that Brock Purdy is "just like Bart Starr". I said that, like Purdy, Bart Starr looked better because he was surrounded by superstars.
Uh...how did I lie? You compared him to Bart Starr. I never put "just like" in quotes claiming you literally said it, but you were obviously comparing them.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2024, 01:08:27 PM
The book isn't closed on Fields. So far he's been way better than 2 of the 3 QBs taken ahead of him. I won't be surprised if he eventually beats out Russell Wilson for the starting job in Pittsburgh.
Maybe. It's not like beating out Russell Wilson means a lot these days.
But you said: "All in all Fields has pretty much met what were mixed expectations."
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 21, 2024, 12:43:42 PM
When Favre was young, the back ups were Brunnell and Detmer. They didn't get McMahon as a back up until '95, when Favre was well established as a starter.
I see that as once he knew he had a Super Bowl team he knew he needed a guy who could go 2-2 for a month to tread water. Like when he went back to Doug Peterson and Steve Bono. My belief is if you're a contender, spend on QB2...if you're just coming up develop it.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 21, 2024, 01:16:48 PM
Uh...how did I lie? You compared him to Bart Starr. I never put "just like" in quotes claiming you literally said it, but you were obviously comparing them.
WTF does whether you put just like in quotes or not have to do with anything? I put it in quotes because I was quoting your exact words - and your exact words intentionally distorted what I said. Which you do regularly.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 21, 2024, 12:51:10 PM
Legitimately one of the funniest things that I've read on scoop.
Bart Starr is just like Brock Purdy.
The passing game in the 1960s is just like the 2020s.
You're a liar too. Never said he is just like Purdy in ability or accomplishments, only that they shared ONE characteristic - being somewhat overrated because they were surrounded by HOF players. Which is true.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2024, 02:11:02 PM
WTF does whether you put just like in quotes or not have to do with anything? I put it in quotes because I was quoting your exact words - and your exact words intentionally distorted what I said. Which you do regularly.
Again, YOU were the one who compared them. And now you are backing off that (ridiculous) comparison when it was pointed out that...uh...you compared them? Twice now.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2024, 02:15:16 PM
You're a liar too. Never said he is just like Purdy in ability or accomplishments, only that they shared ONE characteristic - being somewhat overrated because they were surrounded by HOF players. Which is true.
See? You did it again!!!!
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 21, 2024, 02:18:14 PM
Again, YOU were the one who compared them. And now you are backing off that (ridiculous) comparison when it was pointed out that...uh...you compared them? Twice now.
See? You did it again!!!!
I compared them regarding ONE common characteristic which they shared, not their overall ability or accomplishments. You implied the latter, which you knew was dishonest. But that's what a dishonest POS would do, so I'm certainly not surprised.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2024, 02:32:18 PM
I compared them regarding ONE common characteristic which they shared, not their overall ability or accomplishments. You implied the latter, which you knew was dishonest. But that's what a dishonest POS would do, so I'm certainly not surprised.
LOL. OK.
Maybe next time stay away from the hot football takes if you don't want to be called out on them. You're not very good at this.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2024, 12:43:49 PM
Bart Starr played behind one of the greatest offensive lines ever and handed the ball to one of the greatest backfields ever. 2nd and long and 3rd and long were foreign concepts to those teams. He wasn't very mobile and didn't have a great arm. He had 152 TDs, 138 INTs and a QB rating of 80.4. He averaged 126 yards passing per game.
He was a game manager. Like Bob Griese. An excellent one (like Griese) to be sure, but a game manager nonetheless - surrounded for much of his career by Hall of Fame players. When the Packer dynasty was at its peak, he put up some great numbers. In other years, not so much.
As a huge Packers fan back to the days of Start, I agree completely. A team full of stars on both sides of the ball. Definitely not a Dan Marino type
Quote from: Jockey on August 21, 2024, 05:47:51 PM
As a huge Packers fan back to the days of Start, I agree completely. A team full of stars on both sides of the ball. Definitely not a Dan Marino type
Thanks, Jockey. You know your sports and you watched while Starr played.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 21, 2024, 02:15:16 PM
You're a liar too. Never said he is just like Purdy in ability or accomplishments, only that they shared ONE characteristic - being somewhat overrated because they were surrounded by HOF players. Which is true.
Bart Starr is considered a top three qb for a decade, and you called him a game manager.
You're a dumb ass.
Quote from: Jockey on August 21, 2024, 05:47:51 PM
As a huge Packers fan back to the days of Start, I agree completely. A team full of stars on both sides of the ball. Definitely not a Dan Marino type
Add another dumb ass to the pile. No one suggested he was Dan Marino.
Is this where I need to remind everyone that Tom Brady threw 3 INTs in the 2nd half at Lambeau and still won or that the Pats scored 13 points while the Rams only scored 3 in a Super Bowl? Or that Brady lost to Eli Manning, twice?
Yet for some reason concensus is Tom Brady is the GOAT. When in reality he's the biggest game manager we've ever seen.
Quote from: The Lens on August 22, 2024, 08:21:10 AM
Is this where I need to remind everyone that Tom Brady threw 3 INTs in the 2nd half at Lambeau and still won or that the Pats scored 13 points while the Rams only scored 3 in a Super Bowl? Or that Brady lost to Eli Manning, twice?
Yet for some reason concensus is Tom Brady is the GOAT. When in reality he's the biggest game manager we've ever seen.
I guess if you are going to cherry pick things from late in his career, but he was never considered a game manager at his peak.
I will also say that using a modern term like "game manager" to describe football in the 1960s is a little odd. This was a era where you threw less passes, but threw them further downfield. The results were lower completion percentages and more INTs. Starr was pretty good at getting the ball downfield and not getting it intercepted. He just didn't have to throw it as often.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 22, 2024, 07:39:23 AM
Bart Starr is considered a top three qb for a decade, and you called him a game manager.
You're a dumb ass.
Guy threw for 126 yds per game, much of it after teams loaded the box with 8 defenders to try and stop an overpowering running game. Like Griese, he was an outstanding game manager, but a game manager nonetheless.
Jockey and I saw him play more than 100 games each. You saw zero, zip, nada but you're the expert because you looked up some stuff on the internet. Sorry, Hards, it's you and your know it all/know nothing buddy who are the dumbasses on this one.
League MVPs tend to be overrated game managers.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2024, 02:16:03 PM
Guy threw for 126 yds per game, much of it after teams loaded the box with 8 defenders to try and stop an overpowering running game. Like Griese, he was an outstanding game manager, but a game manager nonetheless.
Jockey and I saw him play more than 100 games each. You saw zero, zip, nada but you're the expert because you looked up some stuff on the internet. Sorry, Hards, it's you and your know it all/know nothing buddy who are the dumbasses on this one.
LOL did you dunk in high school, too? How well did the Packer games come in on your rabbit ears TV in Chicago? Since the Packers didn't start getting local TV broadcasting until the 1960s, we can toss Bart Starr's first five seasons. Now, assuming you were able to get the game where you were located (you couldn't), and IF you spent every single available chance watching Bart Starr play, you could have possibly seen him play exactly 134 times. That's a pretty impressive amount, despite the games not being broadcast to your area! But I'm to believe you and your assessment of Bart Starr's abilities when there is no game footage available of Bart Starr online to actually watch him play. Hold up, this footage is readily available?
So, instead, I need to trust your (failing) memory and take your word that you have an unclouded memory of Bart from over FIFTY years ago? That he was nothing more than a game manager? Sorry, I'll defer to the people who consider him one of the best to ever play the position, and not some random dipstick from Chicago who makes impossible claims.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/pro-football-101-bart-starr-ranks-no-50-on-all-time-list
Cut your losses here, grandpa.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 22, 2024, 02:47:43 PM
LOL did you dunk in high school, too? How well did the Packer games come in on your rabbit ears TV in Chicago? Since the Packers didn't start getting local TV broadcasting until the 1960s, we can toss Bart Starr's first five seasons. Now, assuming you were able to get the game where you were located (you couldn't), and IF you spent every single available chance watching Bart Starr play, you could have possibly seen him play exactly 134 times. That's a pretty impressive amount, despite the games not being broadcast to your area! But I'm to believe you and your assessment of Bart Starr's abilities when there is no game footage available of Bart Starr online to actually watch him play. Hold up, this footage is readily available?
So, instead, I need to trust your (failing) memory and take your word that you have an unclouded memory of Bart from over FIFTY years ago? That he was nothing more than a game manager? Sorry, I'll defer to the people who consider him one of the best to ever play the position, and not some random dipstick from Chicago who makes impossible claims.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/pro-football-101-bart-starr-ranks-no-50-on-all-time-list
Cut your losses here, grandpa.
Bart Starr was 1st team All Pro once (1966) in his career. He was surrounded by a guy who made it 7 times, a guy who made it 6 times, 4 guys who made it 5 times, a guy who made it 4 times, a guy who made it 3 times, 3 guys who made it twice and 7 guys who, like Bart, made it once. But you don't think he was surrounded by really good players who made him look better.
You can be the punk you are and insult me, Jockey, etc. all you want but I (we) know much more than you do about Marquette basketball, MLB, the NBA and the NFL regarding players who we grew up with and who played before you were born. For you to think otherwise is nothing more than your inflated ego and hubris talking.
Give it up, Junior.
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Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2024, 03:18:36 PM
Bart Starr was 1st team All Pro once (1966) in his career. He was surrounded by a guy who made it 7 times, a guy who made it 6 times, 4 guys who made it 5 times, a guy who made it 4 times, a guy who made it 3 times, 3 guys who made it twice and 7 guys who, like Bart, made it once. But you don't think he was surrounded by really good players who made him look better.
You can be the punk you are and insult me, Jockey, etc. all you want but I (we) know much more than you do about Marquette basketball, MLB, the NBA and the NFL regarding players who we grew up with and who played before you were born. For you to think otherwise is nothing more than your inflated ego and hubris talking.
Give it up, Junior.
Just say you don't know what you're talking about and just made stuff up. It's waaaaaaaay less embarrassing.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 22, 2024, 02:26:23 PM
League MVPs tend to be overrated game managers.
I don't think I ever said he was an overrated game manager. In fact I clearly stated he was as outstanding one.
He did win one MVP - but playing QB for the best NFL team of a decade that's hardly surprising.
Other QBs who have been MVPs (many after expansion to include more teams)
Matt Ryan
Steve McNair
Rich Gannon
Brian Sipe
Earl Morrall
Charley Connerly
Ed Dankowski
Ace Parker
Parker Hall
Others, too. Game managers can win MVPs.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 22, 2024, 03:40:26 PM
Just say you don't know what you're talking about and just made stuff up. It's waaaaaaaay less embarrassing.
LOL. Now All Pro teams and players are "made up". Pathetic.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2024, 03:42:04 PM
LOL. Now All Pro teams and players are "made up". Pathetic.
He was also 3x 2nd team All-Pro.
Sun must be setting early out there, pops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSI3quJVwgI
Look, I can watch Bart "Game Manager" Starr!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 22, 2024, 03:47:12 PM
He was also 3x 2nd team All-Pro.
Sun must be setting early out there, pops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSI3quJVwgI
Look, I can watch Bart "Game Manager" Starr!
Whoop de doo! Guess what, the 11 (eleven!) guys that were 7x, 6x, 5x, 4x, 3x and 2x FIRST teamers and the 7 (seven!) guys who (like Bart) made the FIRST team 1 (one!) time had lots of times they finished second. For you to deny that the team of the decade with so, so many guys who were All Pro so, so many times more than Bart wasn't loaded and didn't aid his performance is just beyond stupid. Own it and move on.
IDK...in a six year stretch, when the Packers won four championships, Starr was first team All-Pro (and league MVP) once, and second team All-Pro three times. To Johnny Unitas and YA Tittle.
He was considered one of the best quarterbacks of his era. And again, using a modern term like "game manager" to describe him isn't really all that accurate.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2024, 04:07:48 PM
Whoop de doo! Guess what, the 11 (eleven!) guys that were 7x, 6x, 5x, 4x, 3x and 2x FIRST teamers and the 7 (seven!) guys who (like Bart) made the FIRST team 1 (one!) time had lots of times they finished second. For you to deny that the team of the decade with so, so many guys who were All Pro so, so many times more than Bart wasn't loaded and didn't aid his performance is just beyond stupid. Own it and move on.
Is he disputing this???
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2024, 04:07:48 PM
Whoop de doo! Guess what, the 11 (eleven!) guys that were 7x, 6x, 5x, 4x, 3x and 2x FIRST teamers and the 7 (seven!) guys who (like Bart) made the FIRST team 1 (one!) time had lots of times they finished second. For you to deny that the team of the decade with so, so many guys who were All Pro so, so many times more than Bart wasn't loaded and didn't aid his performance is just beyond stupid. Own it and move on.
This is an incredible straw man argument you've built! You're doing great.
Don't strain yourself, you may have to hit the button to call the nurse again.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 22, 2024, 04:12:58 PM
Is he disputing this???
Never suggested once that Bart wasn't surrounded by great players. My claim was that he wasn't a game manager like Brock Purdy, but instead one of the best QBs of all time. The overwhelming evidence says he was, but Lenny has vibes, his keen eye, and 100 times he saw Bart play football that says he was a lot like Brock.
Lenny is still out here with his ass hanging out and his pants around his ankles trying to tell us the world is flat.
Quote from: Jockey on August 21, 2024, 05:47:51 PM
As a huge Packers fan back to the days of Start, I agree completely.
Famed Packer Barr Start. Which in Wisconsin was usually noon.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 22, 2024, 04:18:59 PM
Lenny is still out here with his ass hanging out and his pants around his ankles trying to tell us the world is flat.
This is so typical of you. Nonsensical, non factual personal insults to "prove" your point. I get it that you have an axe to grind with people of my generation. I know you're bitter and whine constantly about how boomers ruined your life. Sorry about that, but it doesn't change Bart Starr's numbers or what Jockey, I and others saw with our own eyes. Grow up.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 22, 2024, 03:47:12 PM
He was also 3x 2nd team All-Pro.
Sun must be setting early out there, pops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSI3quJVwgI
Look, I can watch Bart "Game Manager" Starr!
"Pops" is a lot Smarter than you are and probably ever will be.
You win the Smugness" award though.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 22, 2024, 04:14:38 PM
This is an incredible straw man argument you've built! You're doing great.
Don't strain yourself, you may have to hit the button to call the nurse again.
How many times did you watch Starr play? I guessing the answer is Zero. But, yeah, you're the smart one.
Just another run-of-the-mill Scoop "expert" or maybe just a pretentious punk.
If Lenny's watched Justin Fields play, and came away from that experience that he "met expectations," then I'm not sure Lenny's Eye Test is the best way to judge football players anyway.
Regardless the comparison to Brock Purdy is silly.
Quote from: Jockey on August 22, 2024, 11:13:58 PM
How many times did you watch Starr play? I guessing the answer is Zero. But, yeah, you're the smart one.
Just another run-of-the-mill Scoop "expert" or maybe just a pretentious punk.
The footage is easily available. Seriously. Don't join Lenny on another hill of lies. Flip MSNBC back on and enjoy your morning joe.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2024, 09:06:01 PM
This is so typical of you. Nonsensical, non factual personal insults to "prove" your point. I get it that you have an axe to grind with people of my generation. I know you're bitter and whine constantly about how boomers ruined your life. Sorry about that, but it doesn't change Bart Starr's numbers or what Jockey, I and others saw with our own eyes. Grow up.
You're the most perpetually aggrieved dick head on the entire board, so this is awfully rich coming from you. Well over 50% of your posts are negative.
You ignored my actual data, and said, "well I saw him play and you didn't". When I showed you that anyone can watch him play with this fancy new invention called the internet, you didn't really have a response except to point to Jockey. Which is an awfully strange way to refute video evidence.
Can we just enjoy that Purdy is uniquely positioned to be paid a bazillion dollars and still make the 49ers less than the sum of their parts and come up short of a Super Bowl?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 22, 2024, 09:06:01 PM
This is so typical of you. Nonsensical, non factual personal insults to "prove" your point. I get it that you have an axe to grind with people of my generation. I know you're bitter and whine constantly about how boomers ruined your life. Sorry about that, but it doesn't change Bart Starr's numbers or what Jockey, I and others saw with our own eyes. Grow up.
Why are we comparing passing numbers from a qb from the 60s with a quarterback from the 2020's?
The game was very different just in Favres and Rodgers reigns. And they were only years apart.
Imagine how much different the game was in the 60s.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on August 23, 2024, 08:50:57 AM
Why are we comparing passing numbers from a qb from the 60s with a quarterback from the 2020's?
The game was very different just in Favres and Rodgers reigns. And they were only years apart.
Imagine how much different the game was in the 60s.
Yeah, by today's standards I think even the best quarterbacks back then would be viewed as game managers.
Also, I'm not sure I saw Lenny say he thought Purdy was equal to Starr. I thought it was just a comment that the team was loaded around him. Although, I'm sure you could argue part of that was having a QB of Starr's caliber. I don't think Purdy is elevating his team much.
To be fair, Lenny's has been doing that.
But the issue is that "game manager" means a whole different thing in pass dominant, modern NFL football. Starr didn't pass as much as his peers no doubt, but that doesn't mean he was a "game manager" in the Brock Purdy sense of the word. They ran the ball a lot in an era where a lot of teams ran the ball a lot. And when Starr passed, it was usually down the field with little mistakes.
Furthermore I have trouble believing Lenny's Eye Test when said Eye Test also claimed that Justin Fields "met expectations." But that's another story.
Starr was often calling his own plays, not game managing Vince plays etc.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on August 23, 2024, 09:40:06 AM
Starr was often calling his own plays, not game managing Vince plays etc.
Most QBs called their own plays back then. One of the big knocks on Staubach was that he didn't call his own plays.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 22, 2024, 04:18:59 PM
Never suggested once that Bart wasn't surrounded by great players. My claim was that he wasn't a game manager like Brock Purdy, but instead one of the best QBs of all time. The overwhelming evidence says he was, but Lenny has vibes, his keen eye, and 100 times he saw Bart play football that says he was a lot like Brock.
I know the dangers of comparing across eras, but saying he's one of the best QBs of all time is pretty rocky. He can be unquestionably the among the best of a decade/era, but not an all time great. They won a Super Bowl the year he threw 9 TDs to 17 INTs. There isn't a single passing category he stacks up favorably against other all time greats...except wins. Some of that isn't all his fault, but still.
If pitchers in the 50s-60s used to get shelled and one of the Cy Young winners in the 60s had a 4.5 ERA and 80 Ks, you could say he was one of the best pitchers of the era, but wouldn't call him one of the best of all time. And that's not even a great comparison as baseball is more of an individual game than football.
I don't necessarily think he's Brock Purdy, but I think Starr is more Eli Manning than Peyton (and I don't consider Eli one of the best of all time)
Quote from: JWags85 on August 23, 2024, 09:45:18 AM
I know the dangers of comparing across eras, but saying he's one of the best QBs of all time is pretty rocky. He can be unquestionably the among the best of a decade/era, but not an all time great. They won a Super Bowl the year he threw 9 TDs to 17 INTs. There isn't a single passing category he stacks up favorably against other all time greats...except wins. Some of that isn't all his fault, but still.
If pitchers in the 50s-60s used to get shelled and one of the Cy Young winners in the 60s had a 4.5 ERA and 80 Ks, you could say he was one of the best pitchers of the era, but wouldn't call him one of the best of all time. And that's not even a great comparison as baseball is more of an individual game than football.
I don't necessarily think he's Brock Purdy, but I think Starr is more Eli Manning than Peyton (and I don't consider Eli one of the best of all time)
Yes, obviously the game has changed, and current stats are inflated for a number of reasons. Longer seasons, penalty enforcement, QB protection, better athletes.
But these were the best guys of their time, comparing Bart Starr to Eli Manning is also pretty far off. I'd never compare Bart Starr to Peyton Manning (the best QB of all time, imo) but he is certainly in the top 25ish. And considering there have been thousands of NFL QB's, to say he was one of the best of all time isn't really a wild take.
I googled Best QBs of all time and every list has Bart in the top 20, and one that relies on a bunch of math has him 21.
https://sportsmathnetwork.com/qb-math/the-nfl-100-for-quarterbacks/
Can't spell Elite without the E-L-I.
Just want to add that Brock Purdy was 4th in MVP voting last year.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 23, 2024, 10:30:17 AM
Just want to add that Brock Purdy was 4th in MVP voting last year.
purdy durn good!
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on August 23, 2024, 09:40:06 AM
Starr was often calling his own plays, not game managing Vince plays etc.
Most QBs back then called their own plays. Terry Bradshaw may not have been able to spell 'cat if you spotted him the 'c' and the 't', but he still called most of his plays.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 23, 2024, 06:01:40 AM
The footage is easily available. Seriously. Don't join Lenny on another hill of lies. Flip MSNBC back on and enjoy your morning joe.
You are an embarrassing little punk. If only you were even half as smart as you thought you are.
Your comments are way closer to Roqqet than they are to clever.
In the heat of election season, right after the DNC, Lenny and Jockey unified in a stance
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Quote from: Jockey on August 23, 2024, 11:01:13 AM
You are an embarrassing little punk. If only you were even half as smart as you thought you are.
Your comments are way closer to Roqqet than they are to clever.
Well, that means a whole lot coming from a well respected level headed guy, like yourself.
Your insults only give me reassurance that I'm on the right track.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 23, 2024, 11:20:31 AM
In the heat of election season, right after the DNC, Lenny and Jockey unified in a stance
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And that's how you know they're both wrong. ;)
Quote from: JWags85 on August 23, 2024, 09:45:18 AM
I know the dangers of comparing across eras, but saying he's one of the best QBs of all time is pretty rocky. He can be unquestionably the among the best of a decade/era, but not an all time great. They won a Super Bowl the year he threw 9 TDs to 17 INTs. There isn't a single passing category he stacks up favorably against other all time greats...except wins. Some of that isn't all his fault, but still.
If pitchers in the 50s-60s used to get shelled and one of the Cy Young winners in the 60s had a 4.5 ERA and 80 Ks, you could say he was one of the best pitchers of the era, but wouldn't call him one of the best of all time. And that's not even a great comparison as baseball is more of an individual game than football.
I don't necessarily think he's Brock Purdy, but I think Starr is more Eli Manning than Peyton (and I don't consider Eli one of the best of all time)
Agree with all of this. I never said he was Brock Purdy. Only that, like Brock Purdy, his status was elevated by playing with a boatload of stars. Anyone who denies that sees the world through green and gold glasses.
Here's another guy who, unlike Hards, gets it.
https://medium.com/the-sports-scientist/top-10-nfl-quarterbacks-of-the-60s-3b0bd99169df
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 23, 2024, 03:27:42 PM
Agree with all of this. I never said he was Brock Purdy. Only that, like Brock Purdy, his status was elevated by playing with a boatload of stars. Anyone who denies that sees the world through green and gold glasses.
You called Starr a "game manager." That's simply not accurate.
And no one claimed that his status wasn't elevated by playing with stars. That happens with every player.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 23, 2024, 03:27:42 PM
Agree with all of this. I never said he was Brock Purdy. Only that, like Brock Purdy, his status was elevated by playing with a boatload of stars. Anyone who denies that sees the world through green and gold glasses.
Here's another guy who, unlike Hards, gets it.
https://medium.com/the-sports-scientist/top-10-nfl-quarterbacks-of-the-60s-3b0bd99169df
You mean a sports blogger who is younger than me? I thought since he didn't watch any games he couldn't know. Hmmmm
Seems like another vibes based guy.. (110 followers btw)
Meanwhile...
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-25-quarterbacks-of-all-time-patriots-tom-brady-leads-list-0ap3000001035041
#13 Bart Starr
https://sportsmathnetwork.com/qb-math/the-nfl-100-for-quarterbacks/
#21 Bart Starr
https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-quarterbacks-nfl-history-2016
#14 Bart Starr
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18581054/greatest-quarterbacks-all-ranking-john-clayton-picks-tom-brady-new-england-patriots-best-nfl-qb-ever
#11 Bart Starr
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/27/nfl-top-10-quarterbacks-tom-brady-joe-montana-john-elway
#10 Bart Starr
Congrats on finding an outlier from a no name blogger on medium.com.
Sportsmath (you know what math is, right?) is pretty good. #21, just behind Tony Romo, Len Dawson and Matt Ryan. Not as dynamic as those three (who are not all that dynamic, either) but because he was a superior game manager to them he's only a tick or two behind.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 23, 2024, 04:27:27 PM
Sportsmath (you know what math is, right?) is pretty good. #21, just behind Tony Romo, Len Dawson and Matt Ryan. Not as dynamic as those three (who are not all that dynamic, either) but because he was a superior game manager to them he's only a tick or two behind.
Yeah, I know since I linked them twice today. I'm glad you're now interested in math rather than your eye test.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 23, 2024, 04:53:08 PM
Yeah, I know since I linked them twice today. I'm glad you're now interested in math rather than your eye test.
Always interested in math. Not surprised it matches what I watched with my own eyes. Thanks!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 23, 2024, 05:14:18 PM
Always interested in math. Not surprised it matches what I watched with my own eyes. Thanks!
I'm glad you've back tracked.
Totally unrelated to the Starr debate, are any Packer fans on here going to Brazil for the opener in two weeks?
Big benefit not going to Philly, getting extra time off, and the time change isn't bad at all. I'm really curious to see how the Eagles come out of the shoot. If Green Bay rolls them, could get interesting for Sirianni early.
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Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 23, 2024, 05:29:12 PM
I'm glad you've back tracked.
Everyone needs a nickname.
How about J. D. for you? Your petty smugness comes shining through.
Quote from: Jockey on August 23, 2024, 07:40:12 PM
Everyone needs a nickname.
How about J. D. for you? Your petty smugness comes shining through.
I'm so sorry you threw in with Lenny and are now stuck. A real adult would just say they were wrong.
At least be funny, Jesus.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 24, 2024, 10:26:31 AM
I'm so sorry you threw in with Lenny and are now stuck. A real adult would just say they were wrong.
At least be funny, Jesus.
Bart Starr had the WORST SEASON EVER for a QB who won the Super Bowl. 7 TDs, 19 INTs and a QB rating of 64. But he was never a game manager in large part carried by the stars who surrounded him. Sure .
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 24, 2024, 10:26:31 AM
I'm so sorry you threw in with Lenny and are now stuck. A real adult would just say they were wrong.
At least be funny, Jesus.
Wanna pick up some doughnuts for me?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 24, 2024, 10:55:01 AM
Bart Starr had the WORST SEASON EVER for a QB who won the Super Bowl. 7 TDs, 19 INTs and a QB rating of 64. But he was never a game manager in large part carried by the stars who surrounded him. Sure .
You mean the year after he won MVP, had a bunch of minor injuries that caused him to miss multiple starts, but came back to win both the Ice Bowl on an epic final drive and Super Bowl II where he was MVP. Sure.
But yeah...some blogger (who was too young to see him play) calls him a game manager and you feel vindicated.
Why you come back to subject yourself to continued embarrassment is beyond me.
Quote from: Jockey on August 24, 2024, 11:27:04 AM
Wanna pick up some doughnuts for me?
I'm sure you think this is funny, but honestly, it's just weird.
Going scorched earth over Bart Starr. So scoopie.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 24, 2024, 11:31:16 AM
You mean the year after he won MVP, had a bunch of minor injuries that caused him to miss multiple starts, but came back to win both the Ice Bowl on an epic final drive and Super Bowl II where he was MVP. Sure.
But yeah...some blogger (who was too young to see him play) calls him a game manager and you feel vindicated.
Why you come back to subject yourself to continued embarrassment is beyond me.
LOL
You do it multiple times every single day in multiple topics, but, yeah you're the arbiter of who might be embarrassing himself. Do you ever look in the mirror? Your lack of self awareness is absolutely stunning.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 24, 2024, 04:27:48 PM
LOL
You do it multiple times every single day in multiple topics, but, yeah you're the arbiter of who might be embarrassing himself. Do you ever look in the mirror? Your lack of self awareness is absolutely stunning.
Glad you finally wove the white flag on the topic at hand. I guess you got tired of the constant goalpost shifting.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 24, 2024, 04:34:15 PM
Glad you finally wove the white flag on the topic at hand. I guess you got tired of the constant goalpost shifting.
Glad you finally admitted Jockey and I are right. Very big of you.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 24, 2024, 08:49:48 PM
Glad you finally admitted Jockey and I are right. Very big of you.
::) ::) ::)
The scoop family Christmas dinner is going to be fun
So, are the Packers better this season?
Questions as to QB2 and K linger
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/08/24/packers-coach-matt-lafleur-unsure-about-qb2-and-k-competitions-following-preseason-finale/
Quote from: tower912 on August 25, 2024, 07:05:51 AM
So, are the Packers better this season?
They seem like a trendy pick right? I wouldn't be surprised if they took a bit of a step back. Still not sure about the defense, though I think it's much improved on the back end. Will Love plateau before he takes that next step? We will see.
Quote from: tower912 on August 25, 2024, 07:05:51 AM
So, are the Packers better this season?
I think the record will be better.
I agree with Sultan that they could maybe take a slight step backward, though.
The Packers have traded for a new QB2. Surprisingly, not hologram Bart Starr. Willis is a marginal upgrade over what they had. Much like the Lions with Goff, if the Packers are all out of Love, they will be so lost without him.
Quote from: tower912 on August 26, 2024, 05:52:57 PM
The Packers have traded for a new QB2. Surprisingly, not hologram Bart Starr. Willis is a marginal upgrade over what they had. Much like the Lions with Goff, if the Packers are all out of Love, they will be so lost without him.
I'm both in agreement with this but also absent a bolt in the blue backup who turns out to be a diamond in the rough, any team that loses its QB1 for anything more than a spot start or two is boned. Willis, Clifford, fields, who cares? The drop off is big enough that the season is shot no matter who is holding the clipboard.
Well there goes the Anders Carlson experiment. That wasn't a great use of a draft pick.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 27, 2024, 08:49:48 AM
Well there goes the Anders Carlson experiment. That wasn't a great use of a draft pick.
Drafting kickers or punters is stupid.
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 27, 2024, 09:31:16 AM
Drafting kickers or punters is stupid.
"With the 22nd pick in the fourth round, the Chicago Bears select Tory Taylor, Punter, University of Iowa." :o
There's "specialists are replaceable, lots of street FAs at any moment, just keep trying them until one sticks" as a strategy.
There's "spend capital to get one that locks the position down for a decade +" as a strategy.
Having spent a long time with a solid K and a parade of punters that have been terrible since like Craig Hentrich, I'm sympathetic to the second strategy. However, you actually have to hit on the draft pick for it to work.
Two of the best three kickers in recent Packer history, Crosby and Jacke, were drafted. Longwell was not.
I don't even know who their best punters have been.
Did Uncle Rico die? If Aners getting cut doesn't bring a post from him, he may he gone forever
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 27, 2024, 09:52:06 AM
"With the 22nd pick in the fourth round, the Chicago Bears select Tory Taylor, Punter, University of Iowa." :o
Taylor won the Ray Guy and holds the FBS record for career punting average. I think thats a bit different than someone coming off an ACL injury and less accolades (in Carlson)
Bart Starr played in 10 playoff games. The Packers went 9-1 in those games. He had a 61% completion in those games, 15 TDs and 3 picks. He won 2 Super Bowl MVPs. He still has the second best QB rating in NFL playoff history.
Johnny Unitas played in 9 playoff games and started 8, going 6-2. His completion % was 53%. He threw 7 TDs and 10 picks. His QB rating was 68.9.
Bart Starr wasn't a game manager, well he was, since he called his own plays. He was a star amongst stars, a legit hall of famer and one of the best playoff QBs to ever play the game.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 27, 2024, 12:38:06 PM
Bart Starr played in 10 playoff games. The Packers went 9-1 in those games. He had a 61% completion in those games, 15 TDs and 3 picks. He won 2 Super Bowl MVPs. He still has the second best QB rating in NFL playoff history.
Johnny Unitas played in 9 playoff games and started 8, going 6-2. His completion % was 53%. He threw 7 TDs and 10 picks. His QB rating was 68.9.
Bart Starr wasn't a game manager, well he was, since he called his own plays. He was a star amongst stars, a legit hall of famer and one of the best playoff QBs to ever play the game.
100% and I am old enough to have watched him play.
Rico - good to have you back!
That has to be the end of AJ Dillon's time as a Packer.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on August 27, 2024, 03:32:44 PM
That has to be the end of AJ Dillon's time as a Packer.
Probably in the NFL entirely.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on August 27, 2024, 03:32:44 PM
That has to be the end of AJ Dillon's time as a Packer.
It's a bummer because he really does seem like a decent guy. Just never really got it together. He was always supposed to be the bruiser, but his performance never seemed to match the profile. Add a rookie and an overperforming cheap dude in Wilson and the injury (though I'm guessing it's not really a full 17 week long stinger type injury) and there's just no room in a crowded backfield.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 28, 2024, 01:02:14 PM
It's a bummer because he really does seem like a decent guy. Just never really got it together. He was always supposed to be the bruiser, but his performance never seemed to match the profile. Add a rookie and an overperforming cheap dude in Wilson and the injury (though I'm guessing it's not really a full 17 week long stinger type injury) and there's just no room in a crowded backfield.
He doesn't seem like a decent guy, he's actually a great dude. Great with fans and very personable.
I think a lot of his tires got used in college, and Jones was always the better fit for the scheme.
Great blocker, and decent receiver out of the backfield.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 28, 2024, 01:06:48 PM
He doesn't seem like a decent guy, he's actually a great dude. Great with fans and very personable.
I think a lot of his tires got used in college, and Jones was always the better fit for the scheme.
Great blocker, and decent receiver out of the backfield.
Yeah, I probably should have gone with a higher personal praise, I'm just always pretty guarded about saying how great of a guy a pro athlete is when I don't actually know them. By all accounts Dillon is a great dude.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dillon moved into a coaching/player development role.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 28, 2024, 01:13:49 PM
Yeah, I probably should have gone with a higher personal praise, I'm just always pretty guarded about saying how great of a guy a pro athlete is when I don't actually know them. By all accounts Dillon is a great dude.
And married into a nice, local family of some wealth from the area.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 28, 2024, 01:06:48 PM
He doesn't seem like a decent guy, he's actually a great dude. Great with fans and very personable.
I think a lot of his tires got used in college, and Jones was always the better fit for the scheme.
Great blocker, and decent receiver out of the backfield.
He averaged 25 carries a game for 3 years (35ish games) at BC. Thats an INSANE amount of usage. Derrick Henry averaged just over 20 the last 3-4 years in the NFL and he had a crazy amount of usage in comparison to most NFL RBs and the Titans were ready to call him toast.
that was the knock on him when he was drafted. The idea was he'd be an ideal low volume short yardage back. But he never really was able to fulfill that role. In fact for some reason he seemed to be worse in that role (yards after contact and conversion of X and inches/goalline) than the smaller Aaron Jones. Again, just kinda a bummer it didn't work out.
We'll always have gym bros thirsting over those quads tho. Pour one out for quadzilla.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/08/28/packers-saw-progression-from-new-qb-malik-willis-during-2024-preseason/
Excellent NFL Films Preview of Packers Eagles battle in Brazil
https://youtu.be/v8knA8iTMJo?si=VFT1aax_lV83SdO5
Packers and Eagles media won't be able to tweet from Brazil, nor will anyone else going to the game
X-cellent
Packers still figuring out QB2 . New Kicker impressing in practice. Hopefully , he is game ready.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/09/01/packers-coach-matt-lafleur-confident-in-new-kicker-still-determining-qb2-vs-eagles/
Good news is Brayden Narveson's wife is from Wisconsin and is a Packer Fan.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/09/02/brayden-narvesons-wife-grew-up-in-wisconsin-as-a-packers-fan/
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 02, 2024, 05:56:55 PM
Packers still figuring out QB2 . New Kicker impressing in practice. Hopefully , he is game ready.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/09/01/packers-coach-matt-lafleur-confident-in-new-kicker-still-determining-qb2-vs-eagles/
Good news is Brayden Narveson's wife is from Wisconsin and is a Packer Fan.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/09/02/brayden-narvesons-wife-grew-up-in-wisconsin-as-a-packers-fan/
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66323.0
Quote from: jficke13 on August 28, 2024, 02:13:59 PM
that was the knock on him when he was drafted. The idea was he'd be an ideal low volume short yardage back. But he never really was able to fulfill that role. In fact for some reason he seemed to be worse in that role (yards after contact and conversion of X and inches/goalline) than the smaller Aaron Jones. Again, just kinda a bummer it didn't work out.
We'll always have gym bros thirsting over those quads tho. Pour one out for quadzilla.
Dillon was decent. Jones was much better. The difference in the Pack's offense when Jones was healthy was significant.
Carlson draft pick haunting them again
Hoping only getting fgs on those first drives don't totally bite us. Bummer to be down.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 06, 2024, 08:06:46 PM
Hoping only getting fgs on those first drives don't totally bite us. Bummer to be down.
Sloppy team. Like Aaron Rodgers in a home playoff game
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 06, 2024, 08:13:12 PM
Sloppy team. Like Aaron Rodgers in a home playoff game
Guess where Jordan Love learned clock management
Reed is a game changer .
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 06, 2024, 08:39:22 PM
Reed is a game changer.
That's what Mel Tucker told him when we were on his official visit to MSU.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 06, 2024, 08:41:43 PM
That's what Mel Tucker told him when we were on his official visit to MSU.
And then Mel asked where his mom was
Back in the lead . Excellent red zone conversion for Love and Watson
New kicker. New D Coordinator. Same ol sh*t.
Same old crap. Penalties galore is a new wrinkle.
Quote from: PointWarrior on September 06, 2024, 10:03:43 PM
Same old crap. Penalties galore is a new wrinkle.
Homage to McCarthy
Feels like the crowd has no idea what is going on.
What horseshit officiating
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 06, 2024, 10:27:55 PM
What horsecrap officiating
Yeah the two holding calls have been..something.
Go ahead and fire Jeff Hafley and whoever is drafting the defenders
If it wasn't brazil the fans would be outraged at this level of corruption
Same old crap. Good but not good enough.
LaFleur sucks. Poor man's Sean McDermott.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 06, 2024, 10:34:43 PM
LaFleur sucks. Poor man's Sean McDermott.
At some point the IQ of your team reflects the coach
Season over. Fire the coaches and get it over with
lol. Fold the franchise while we're at it.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 06, 2024, 10:40:52 PM
At some point the IQ of your team reflects the coach
Same trash. He let 12 run roughshod over him for years. His defenses suck. His special teams suck. He kicks FGs because he sucks in the red zone.
They're in the same position they were with Mac. He's too good to fire but not good enough to get to a SB.
Quote from: MUfan12 on September 06, 2024, 11:00:13 PM
They're in the same position they were with Mac. He's too good to fire but not good enough to get to a SB.
Bring Barry Alvarez home
two dumb run-backs from the end zone, bad penalties, can't capitalize on excellent field possession - does this sound familiar?
Jalen Carter has shown that he has no regard for human life. Treat him as such.
Quote from: PointWarrior on September 06, 2024, 11:14:05 PM
two dumb run-backs from the end zone, bad penalties, can't capitalize on excellent field possession - does this sound familiar?
Yes. The head coach sucks
https://x.com/sleepernfl/status/1832271103957340169?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Over
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 06, 2024, 11:20:51 PM
https://x.com/sleepernfl/status/1832271103957340169?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Over
I was hoping it was just an ankle sprain, but that doesn't look good.
Coach LaFluer has room for improvement
Good luck, dude Love.
The Packers forced three turnovers, yet the Eagles still scored 34 points. Against a team with a new OC who hasn't exactly lit in up in previous stints.
I'm going to try and be an optimist that the weirdness of Brazil game negatively impacted the defense. Probably not related, but I need something to hope for to not think we will see the same issues on defense.
Playing field condition was terrible. Not suitable for flag football. Love's knee popped. Good luck, aina?
Maybe Anders can play QB.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 07, 2024, 08:40:05 AM
I'm going to try and be an optimist that the weirdness of Brazil game negatively impacted the defense. Probably not related, but I need something to hope for to not think we will see the same issues on defense.
Quay Walker should be left in Brazil. He sucks.
I know both offenses put up points, but that whole experience last night kinda sucked. Crowd was dead, field was terrible, playing on Friday night this early felt off, and obviously the Love injury really sucks (hoping for the best).
Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 07, 2024, 09:18:48 AM
I know both offenses put up points, but that whole experience last night kinda sucked. Crowd was dead, field was terrible, playing on Friday night this early felt off, and obviously the Love injury really sucks (hoping for the best).
Yeah. Honestly the whole thing was pretty bad.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 07, 2024, 09:18:48 AM
I know both offenses put up points, but that whole experience last night kinda sucked. Crowd was dead, field was terrible, playing on Friday night this early felt off, and obviously the Love injury really sucks (hoping for the best).
Agreed. It was like a tennis crowd.
And while I know there are certainly some penalties, especially early in the year, my god NFL, we're here to watch football. Way too many flags in the first two games of the season.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 07, 2024, 10:36:33 AM
Agreed. It was like a tennis crowd.
And while I know there are certainly some penalties, especially early in the year, my god NFL, we're here to watch football. Way too many flags in the first two games of the season.
The NFL has been over-legislated for awhile. And the refs know that, play along for a bit, but then let stuff go as the season goes on. Like that defensive holding against Kenny Clark? Give me a break...
Quote from: wadesworld on September 07, 2024, 10:36:33 AM
Agreed. It was like a tennis crowd.
And while I know there are certainly some penalties, especially early in the year, my god NFL, we're here to watch football. Way too many flags in the first two games of the season.
US open crowd is way more excited to be there than whatever that was
Reports that it is not a tear.
Quote from: tower912 on September 07, 2024, 11:45:36 AM
Reports that it is not a tear.
*ACL tear. Still need to get an MRI. There's a lot that could show up there.
But when nobody said that they "fear" an ACL tear, it gave me hope. They have tests they do right on the field that usually give them a pretty good indication of an ACL and PCL tear.
Fair.
MCL sprain. No word yet on the grade or timetable, but all things considered, this is probably a relief.
If he's on the high end of the 3-6 range, just shut him down for the year
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 07, 2024, 03:10:16 PM
If he's on the high end of the 3-6 range, just shut him down for the year
??? You want him not to come back if he can be back in mid October?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 07, 2024, 03:12:12 PM
??? You want him not to come back if he can be back in mid October?
I would rather tank than narrowly miss the playoffs. If they find a way to win any game he misses (lol) then maybe it's different.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 07, 2024, 03:18:05 PM
I would rather tank than narrowly miss the playoffs. If they find a way to win any game he misses (lol) then maybe it's different.
Not this again. It's the NFL. There is talent everywhere in the first round. You can also get hot and make a run in the playoffs.
They won't give up on the season nor should they.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 07, 2024, 02:44:24 PM
MCL sprain. No word yet on the grade or timetable, but all things considered, this is probably a relief.
That's good news for sure.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 07, 2024, 03:22:14 PM
Not this again. It's the NFL. There is talent everywhere in the first round. You can also get hot and make a run in the playoffs.
They won't give up on the season nor should they.
This.
Hopefully Love can rehab and be back for a big chunk of season still.
In the meantime Team needs to rally around Malik "Whatchoo talkin bout " Willis
Couldn't even finish the game on just a sprain? What a p***** and bad teammate.
https://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4701800/the-five-year-anniversary-of-jay-cutlers-toughness-being-questioned-unfairly
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 07, 2024, 06:09:18 PM
Hopefully Love can rehab and be back for a big chunk of season still.
In the meantime Team needs to rally around Malik "Whatchoo talkin bout " Willis
Love texted me that he'll be in the training room every day until he's back, but that he has complete faith in Malik to win some games in his absence.
Intense preparations for Malik Willis this week.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/9/12/24242759/packers-news-cheese-curds-9-12-malik-willis-crash-course-on-matt-lafleur-offense
Jayden Reed listed as questionable for Colts game. Thankfully, Packers are deep at Receiver position.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/09/13/packers-list-wr-jayden-reed-as-questionable-vs-colts-with-new-injury/
Jayden Reed is a game changer
Johnathan Taylor getting Deja vu watching the Packers offense today
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 15, 2024, 12:36:52 PM
Johnathan Taylor getting Deja vu watching the Packers offense today
Josh Jacobs could possibly be over the 100 yard mark by halftime
Don't like sitting on the ball. Give Malik a chance to throw the ball a bit, he's going to have to in the second half.
20 rush attempts for Jacobs at half, don't think I've seen that before. I'm not saying it's wrong either, he's been mashing.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 15, 2024, 01:13:08 PM
Don't like sitting on the ball. Give Malik a chance to throw the ball a bit, he's going to have to in the second half.
Will he? There was no reason to go for anything there regardless. Too much can go wrong.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 15, 2024, 01:20:24 PM
20 rush attempts for Jacobs at half, don't think I've seen that before. I'm not saying it's wrong either, he's been mashing.
That fumble tough...
I think Malik Willis may not be very good.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 15, 2024, 02:02:18 PM
I think Malik Willis may not be very good.
He is not. But I think he can get us to 2-2. Are the Vikings actually decent?
Colts would be up by a couple scores at least if they followed GB's game plan today.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 15, 2024, 02:02:18 PM
I think Malik Willis may not be very good.
Same with Anthony Richardson.
This will end up being a solid win for the Packers, just survive without Love.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 15, 2024, 02:14:29 PM
He is not. But I think he can get us to 2-2. Are the Vikings actually decent?
They might be. But yeah 2-2 would be nice.
Love practiced , that is good news.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/09/18/packers-qb-jordan-love-practices-for-first-time-since-knee-injury/
We should all practice love.
Only 8.5 months 'til outdoor fookin' starts again, hey?
Quote from: tower912 on September 18, 2024, 05:23:30 PM
We should all practice love.
Practice? We talking about practice?
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 18, 2024, 06:44:56 PM
Practice? We talking about practice?
Love did practice yesterday... so yeah!
Wonder how this injury will play out today
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/09/21/packers-add-k-brayden-narveson-to-week-3-injury-report-with-right-foot-injury/
Why does Daryl Johnston apologize/make excuses for every Titans mistake.
My favorite was when he wanted to analyze all of the "positives" of Levis getting sacked on a critical 3rd down...
Malik doing an Excellent job this game. Second string QB very important position.
Will Levis isn't very good.
Solid win over a poor team.
Quote from: Jockey on September 22, 2024, 03:07:39 PM
Solid win over a poor team.
They should see if they can get a 1st round pick from the Bears for Willis
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2024, 03:08:29 PM
They should see if they can get a 1st round pick from the Bears for Willis
Well, he does have as many TD passes as Caleb & Justin combined.
Quote from: Jockey on September 22, 2024, 03:51:32 PM
Well, he does have as many TD passes as Caleb & Justin combined.
Would hate to see Willis have to play for such a terrible organization.
Maybe Joe Barry was a problem.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on September 22, 2024, 04:54:47 PM
Maybe Joe Barry was a problem.
Let's just see. The Titans OL sucks and back to back games against Richardson and Levis doesn't tell you much.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 22, 2024, 04:56:12 PM
Let's just see. The Titans OL sucks and back to back games against Richardson and Levis doesn't tell you much.
Joe Barry's defense made Bryce Young and Tommie DeVito look good
At the very least, they adjusted after the first drive. Which I don't know if Barry would have.
Man, Narveson has been pretty good so far.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 23, 2024, 09:34:50 AM
Man, Narveson has been pretty good so far.
Compared to the best player on the team last year, he has been but you or I would have been better
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 23, 2024, 09:34:50 AM
Man, Narveson has been pretty good so far.
Has he? He's missed a kick in all 3 games, although the last one didn't count because of a penalty.
He does inspire more confidence than Carlson though. Ball flight seems way more consistent.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 23, 2024, 03:48:13 PM
Has he? He's missed a kick in all 3 games, although the last one didn't count because of a penalty.
He does inspire more confidence than Carlson though. Ball flight seems way more consistent.
I guess my expectations weren't super high and didn't see that he missed one negated by penalty.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 23, 2024, 03:48:13 PM
Has he? He's missed a kick in all 3 games, although the last one didn't count because of a penalty.
He does inspire more confidence than Carlson though. Ball flight seems way more consistent.
Consistently hitting a fade on kicks over 40. XP are dead middle though.
Good luck, #4.
Quote from: tower912 on September 24, 2024, 11:29:20 AM
Good luck, #4.
I hate to be a cynic (well, sometimes anyhow), but it's an interesting choice of time and venue to make this disclosure.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 24, 2024, 01:06:58 PM
I hate to be a cynic (well, sometimes anyhow), but it's an interesting choice of time and venue to make this disclosure.
Now, why would you say that?
Quote from: Pakuni on September 24, 2024, 01:06:58 PM
I hate to be a cynic (well, sometimes anyhow), but it's an interesting choice of time and venue to make this disclosure.
Maybe not a cynic, it's just kind of makes you look like a cold hearted a$$
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 24, 2024, 04:09:15 PM
Maybe not a cynic, it's just kind of makes you look like a cold hearted a$$
(https://media.tenor.com/TCQqZI3tfv0AAAAM/chris-rock-rolling-eyes.gif)
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 22, 2024, 04:56:12 PM
Let's just see. The Titans OL sucks and back to back games against Richardson and Levis doesn't tell you much.
Joe Barry was 100% the problem, and had been for three straight years.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 24, 2024, 04:09:15 PM
Maybe not a cynic, it's just kind of makes you look like a cold hearted a$$
Nah, it's a lot like Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein showing up to court in wheelchairs.
I feel bad for Brett, but it was a calculated disclosure.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 25, 2024, 02:18:56 PM
Nah, it's a lot like Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein showing up to court in wheelchairs.
I feel bad for Brett, but it was a calculated disclosure.
Speaking of which,
https://x.com/espn/status/1838974243104600425?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2024, 02:48:30 PM
Speaking of which,
https://x.com/espn/status/1838974243104600425?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Can't mess with the good old boys!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 25, 2024, 02:17:22 PM
Joe Barry was 100% the problem, and had been for three straight years.
He was a problem. But I will wait to see if he was 100% the problem. Unfortunately I don't think that's the case.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 25, 2024, 02:18:56 PM
Nah, it's a lot like Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein showing up to court in wheelchairs.
I feel bad for Brett, but it was a calculated disclosure.
You mean a Congressional hearing examining shady welfare-related dealings he may have been a part of isn't the obvious place to reveal a medical diagnosis?
Parkinson's sucks and I wish him the best, but there's a reason he chose that time and place to go public, and it's not because of its relevance to the topic of the hearing.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 25, 2024, 04:52:29 PM
He was a problem. But I will wait to see if he was 100% the problem. Unfortunately I don't think that's the case.
Even I agree with you, Sultan. And, obviously I was one of his biggest detractors here.
No Jaire today. Here's my shocked my face
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2024, 10:57:44 AM
No Jaire today. Here's my shocked my face
Jefferson would've roasted him today
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 29, 2024, 11:11:01 AM
Jefferson would've roasted him today
If Darnold was out and Mullens was QB, I bet Jaire plays.
Who will be the new kicker next week?
Flags, flags, flags...
About time to flip to red zone
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2024, 12:33:42 PM
Sloppy team. Not playing an NFC South team this week
AFC...but yeah.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 29, 2024, 12:39:05 PM
AFC...but yeah.
Whoops, yup. Love isn't ready to play. Staff effed up that, too
Simple practice throws for Darnold.
Quote from: Jockey on September 29, 2024, 12:43:08 PM
Simple practice throws for Darnold.
KOC is an excellent coach.
Will Levis ain't walking through that door to bail the D out.
Not feeling great about Packers -2.5.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 29, 2024, 12:49:26 PM
Will Levis ain't walking through that door to bail the D out.
Now, now. If they fix the missed tackles, missed assignments, lack of pass rush and gap integrity, they might get back in this
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 22, 2024, 04:56:12 PM
Let's just see. The Titans OL sucks and back to back games against Richardson and Levis doesn't tell you much.
As I said last week, I don't think a couple wins against Richardson and Levis meant much for this defense. They have no pass rush at all. Quay Walker is not a MLB. The secondary is paper thin.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 29, 2024, 12:53:58 PM
As I said last week, I don't think a couple wins against Richardson and Levis meant much for this defense. They have no pass rush at all. Quay Walker is not a MLB. The secondary is paper thin.
Rashan Gary and Kenny Clark are stealing money
That kick had no chance, lol
The Pack starting Love in this game with very clearly 1 leg, is one of the more insane sports decisions I have seen in a long time
Quote from: Jockey on September 29, 2024, 12:22:49 PM
Who will be the new kicker next week?
Yippee! Rico can start another never ending thread about an ex Green Bay place kicker.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 29, 2024, 01:40:30 PM
Yippee! Rico can start another never ending thread about an ex Green Bay place kicker.
No, I'll keep the one on the Packers best player from 2023
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2024, 01:42:05 PM
No, I'll keep the one on the Packers best player from 2023
Why does it have to be an either/or?
Love saves MLF there but he was calling the TO.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 29, 2024, 01:44:19 PM
Why does it have to be an either/or?
Everyone wants to know what is up with Anders.
Not a banner day for WRs.
That's a turn of events.
Why go for two there?
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 29, 2024, 02:50:49 PM
That's a turn of events.
Why go for two there?
It's some analytics thing, I've seen other teams do it
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 29, 2024, 02:50:49 PM
That's a turn of events.
Why go for two there?
Anders was unavailable to kick
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2024, 02:52:01 PM
It's some analytics thing, I've seen other teams do it
Packers did the same thing v the Saints last year and it paid off.
I think there was 1 Packer within 10 yards on Jefferson.
You always go for 2 down 8 in the 4th. 2 point conversions are roughly 50/50. Get the first one, now you win with a TD and 2 point conversion. Don't and you just go for 2 again if you score to cut it to 2.
And when you have Brandon Narveson (or Anders Carlson) as your kicker, it's probably just good practice to go for 2 all the time.
WR's were bad and he probably shouldn't have played but that last INT is a Dongslinger throw. Same thing he did in SF in the playoffs. If they don't rein that in, his ceiling is limited
Quote from: wadesworld on September 29, 2024, 03:11:30 PM
You always go for 2 down 8 in the 4th. 2 point conversions are roughly 50/50. Get the first one, now you win with a TD and 2 point conversion.
Get the first one and now you win with a TD and a 1 point conversion, actually.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2024, 03:23:05 PM
WR's were bad and he probably shouldn't have played but that last INT is a Dongslinger throw. Same thing he did in SF in the playoffs. If they don't rein that in, his ceiling is limited
He doesn't have much mobility and was scared to take a hit so not too surprised that happened.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 29, 2024, 03:24:07 PM
Get the first one and now you win with a TD and a 1 point conversion, actually.
Yeah thanks. That's what I meant to say.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 29, 2024, 03:31:51 PM
Yeah thanks. That's what I meant to say.
Don't fret; we've seen you be stupid many times before and have come to expect it.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 29, 2024, 08:00:40 PM
Don't fret; we've seen you be stupid many times before and have come to expect it.
I'm good with being wrong. Correcting everyone's grammar on a sports forum being the pride and joy of my life is not something I'm jealous of.
Now please excuse me while I go read your thread on your personal pickleball schedule.
Romeo Doubs for Davante
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2024, 12:30:30 PM
Romeo Doubs for Davante
NFL will force them to trade him to the chiefs for a 7th.
Dude was rude to a photojournalist. Don't want that kind. Fook 'im, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 05, 2024, 01:01:28 PM
Dude was rude to a photojournalist. Don't want that kind. Fook 'im, aina?
Romeo channeling his inner Antonio Brown.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41625400/packers-suspend-romeo-doubs-one-game-missing-practice
Anyone have or know someone looking to sell a parking pass for the cardinals game next weekend?
Jayden Reed is a game changer
This defense...😬😬😬
Missed tackles and McVay is clowning Hafley.
Only a 5 yard gain but the ram receiver getting around 3 unblocked Packers with ease is pretty sad.
The Packers defensive line is terrible. I know Wyatt is out but the rest of these guys are garbage
Wtf was that
Kicker is da least of der issues. QB1 sucks, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 06, 2024, 04:32:48 PM
Kicker is da least of der issues. QB1 sucks, hey?
There he is
That Love play explains the Favre jersey last week.
Offensive line is bad, too
Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 06, 2024, 04:40:39 PM
That Love play explains the Favre jersey last week.
Never go full Dongslinger
I can't believe there isn't a better option than Quay Walker
Its crazy how Kraft and Musgrave have essentially flip flopped roles on the team.
A safety who can catch the ball?
Who knew?
Game over.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 06, 2024, 04:32:48 PM
Kicker is da least of der issues. QB1 sucks, hey?
7-7 for about a buck fifty and 2TDs since you posted this
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2024, 05:28:10 PM
7-7 for about a buck fifty and 2TDs since you posted this
Love reads superbar at halftime. the posts are working for motivation.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2024, 05:28:10 PM
7-7 for about a buck fifty and 2TDs since you posted this
12 YPA for the game. He's been great outside of that one awful decision.
Clifford Franklin of The Replacements has better hands than Wicks.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 06, 2024, 06:17:13 PM
Clifford Franklin of The Replacements has better hands than Wicks.
Be nice to have Doubs. Or a pass rush
Quote from: BM1090 on October 06, 2024, 05:37:12 PM
12 YPA for the game. He's been great outside of that one awful decision.
Love bounces back in the 2nd half and the Packers win. Tough afternoon for 4everBuffoon
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 06, 2024, 04:32:48 PM
Kicker is da least of der issues. QB1 sucks, hey?
Good call as always.
Anyway, that was a big half of football.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 06, 2024, 06:30:09 PM
Good call as always.
Anyway, that was a big half of football.
https://youtu.be/X6GYFVRuPcY?si=aLe9RaOxXcHo6z3v
Solid win for Packers. McKinney doing an Excellent job on defense
Football is not my sport so I'll defer to others...but can someone explain why do we think the D sucks? 2nd in Interceptions, 4th in Yards lost due to Sack, 6th in Sacks, 12th in forced fumbles, 11th in rushing yards allowed per game, 15th in tackles for a loss. After the last few years I'm loving it.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 06, 2024, 08:58:42 PM
Football is not my sport so I'll defer to others...but can someone explain why do we think the D sucks? 2nd in Interceptions, 4th in Yards lost due to Sack, 6th in Sacks, 12th in forced fumbles, 11th in rushing yards allowed per game, 15th in tackles for a loss. After the last few years I'm loving it.
Because Sultan says so?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 06, 2024, 08:58:42 PM
Football is not my sport so I'll defer to others...but can someone explain why do we think the D sucks? 2nd in Interceptions, 4th in Yards lost due to Sack, 6th in Sacks, 12th in forced fumbles, 11th in rushing yards allowed per game, 15th in tackles for a loss. After the last few years I'm loving it.
19th in defensive DVOA entering week 5. Not terrible, not great.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 06, 2024, 08:58:42 PM
Football is not my sport so I'll defer to others...but can someone explain why do we think the D sucks? 2nd in Interceptions, 4th in Yards lost due to Sack, 6th in Sacks, 12th in forced fumbles, 11th in rushing yards allowed per game, 15th in tackles for a loss. After the last few years I'm loving it.
They cannot generate a pass rush without blitzing. They are also pretty weak up the middle. Very reliant on turnovers, which is nice but are usually a hit or miss prospect.
I want to see how they do against Murray and Stroud the next two weeks.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 06, 2024, 11:23:02 PM
19th in defensive DVOA entering week 5. Not terrible, not great.
Right.
Furthermore, they have played games against Hurts, Richardson, Levis, Darnold and Stafford. Not exactly a murderers row with Stafford having his two best receivers and a significant portion of his offensive line injured. Yet they gave up 400+ yards to Philadelphia, and nearly the same to Minnesota.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 07, 2024, 03:59:17 AM
They cannot generate a pass rush without blitzing. They are also pretty weak up the middle. Very reliant on turnovers, which is nice but are usually a hit or miss prospect.
I want to see how they do against Murray and Stroud the next two weeks.
Rashan Gary recorded his 3rd zero-pressure game in the last 4 weeks.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 07, 2024, 03:59:17 AM
They cannot generate a pass rush without blitzing. They are also pretty weak up the middle. Very reliant on turnovers, which is nice but are usually a hit or miss prospect.
I want to see how they do against Murray and Stroud the next two weeks.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/10/7/24264720/green-bay-packers-pass-rush-production-rashan-gary-preston-smith-lukas-van-ness-kingsley-enagbare
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 07, 2024, 12:44:12 PM
Rashan Gary recorded his 3rd zero-pressure game in the last 4 weeks.
As a nature lover, it was good to see a guy spend so much time hugging the ground.
Hard to get to the QB when you are in a prone position most of the game, though.
Packers dealing with key TE injuries
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/10/10/packers-add-te-tucker-kraft-to-week-6-injury-report/
Packers dominated the first quarter. Need a TD to finish this drive. FGs in the red zone suck
Quay on the outside makes a lot more sense.
Sometimes I'm not sure if Love has incredible touch or gets very lucky. That throw to Watson was in a perfect spot.
Arizona's backup kicker is better than the Packers starting kicker.
It really can't be that hard to find a kicker who can make the routine kicks.
No int for McKinney. FRAUD.
Excellent win for Packers.
Nice to see Doubs get a couple of TD's in his return
QB1
22-32-258-4-1, no sacks
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2024, 03:12:16 PM
QB1
22-32-258-4-1, no sacks
And the INT was definitely not his fault either. He's been really good the last two weeks besides one terrible decision last week.
Looking at NFL teams trot out the likes of Will Levis as a starting quarterback, it makes me realize how fortunate I have been as a Packer fan for the last 32 seasons.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2024, 03:12:16 PM
QB1
22-32-258-4-1, no sacks
He's no Anders but he's trying
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 13, 2024, 04:26:38 PM
He's no Anders but he's trying
He's the biggest problem on the team. #knowsball
Packers better stop f'ing around with Narveson and find someone better. He's terrible, clearly not ready to kick for a serious playoff caliber team, and is going to blow a kick or three in a critical situation. He's on a worse pace than Carlson last year.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 13, 2024, 05:21:58 PM
Packers better stop f'ing around with Narveson and find someone better. He's terrible, clearly not ready to kick for a serious playoff caliber team, and is going to blow a kick or three in a critical situation. He's on a worse pace than Carlson last year.
I don't necessarily disagree but I also think it's too early to tell. He might suck, but I wouldn't be surprised if they give him another 8 weeks to turn it around. I do think they'll sign a different kicker for the final stretch and playoffs if he isn't locked in by then.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 13, 2024, 12:51:43 PM
Quay on the outside makes a lot more sense.
I'm in San Diego so I didn't see the game, but it makes perfect sense. He is not a bruiser.
Packers sign Brandon McManus. A Favreian-kicker
Ehhhhhhh someone was going to blink but I didn't think it would be Green Bay.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2024, 06:24:52 PM
Packers sign Brandon McManus. A Favreian-kicker
Good veteran kicker. Had to make a move if they expect to be a serious contender.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 15, 2024, 08:46:19 PM
Good veteran kicker. Had to make a move if they expect to be a serious contender.
Doesn't run from the "grind"
https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/49ers-lb-de-vondre-campbell-is-one-of-the-worst-starters-in-the-nfl-01jaba07325h (https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/49ers-lb-de-vondre-campbell-is-one-of-the-worst-starters-in-the-nfl-01jaba07325h)
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 17, 2024, 09:08:22 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/49ers-lb-de-vondre-campbell-is-one-of-the-worst-starters-in-the-nfl-01jaba07325h (https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/49ers-lb-de-vondre-campbell-is-one-of-the-worst-starters-in-the-nfl-01jaba07325h)
Something we all realized as the season went on last year.
The perfect example of "addition through subtraction".
For as headscratching as that INT was, that TD was a great throw.
I think we will have to live with more bad INTs as Packer fans, but he can complete a lot of tough throws.
For as much grief as I've given Quay, the run defense looks pretty bad with him off the field.
The drought is over!
Packers special teams really dumb.
The NFC North has 3 very good teams. They're not flawless but they can beat anyone. I expect two teams will from the division will make the playoffs. Sadly the Bears are a tier below.
Wow....what a throw by Stroud.
LOL the NFL is such great theater!
-200% chance Narveson makes that kick.
Texas was way too conservative 1st and 10 at like the 12.
Great job by the holder. Kind of surprised they iced him. Gave him a practice kick, but I guess it almost worked out.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 20, 2024, 03:05:07 PM
Great job by the holder. Kind of surprised they iced him. Gave him a practice kick, but I guess it almost worked out.
They should have iced him sooner and not given him the practice kick.
I will say that the Packers defense has really started to impress the last couple of weeks. I love the aggressiveness and the adjustments.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 20, 2024, 04:40:13 PM
I will say that the Packers defense has really started to impress the last couple of weeks. I love the aggressiveness and the adjustments.
Winning a game where you're -3 in turnovers is no easy feat.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 20, 2024, 04:53:40 PM
Winning a game where you're -3 in turnovers is no easy feat.
Correct. A lot of short fields they had to overcome.
Missed the game but good to see QB1 overcome what sounds like 2 bad picks to throw 3TDs and calmly lead the team downfield to win this game.
Heckuva player, aina?
Yeah I know. There was an extra trash pick up today in The Quon. Shame you hada work, aina?
Love will be fine. He truly can make throws that maybe 4-5 other QBs can make.
Has to adjust to the adjustments defenses have made and cut down on some of the bad decisions, but am pretty confident he'll do that before the stretch run.
Packers Defense got the job done today.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/10/20/packers-defense-suffocates-texans-qb-c-j-stroud-in-dominant-performance/
Stuck in Duval traffic into stadium. Have decent parking pass so should get in soon. Crowd looks to be Classic Packers road game. Half of the crowd wearing Packers .
Should be a big win for Pack.
Here are inactives
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/10/27/packers-lb-quay-walker-inactive-for-week-8-vs-jaguars/
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 27, 2024, 11:27:31 AM
Stuck in Duval traffic into stadium. Have decent parking pass so should get in soon. Crowd looks to be Classic Packers road game. Half of the crowd wearing Packers .
Should be a big win for Pack.
Here are inactives
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/10/27/packers-lb-quay-walker-inactive-for-week-8-vs-jaguars/
Only losers drive in. Took a helicopter with Bill Foley and will be watching from Shad Khan's box.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 27, 2024, 11:27:31 AM
Stuck in Duval traffic into stadium. Have decent parking pass so should get in soon. Crowd looks to be Classic Packers road game. Half of the crowd wearing Packers .
Should be a big win for Pack.
Here are inactives
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/10/27/packers-lb-quay-walker-inactive-for-week-8-vs-jaguars/
Parking pass? Bill Murray flew myself and Grayson Allen in for the game on a PJ. Had a Rolls waiting for us with a driver at the airport. Very kind of him. We'll be enjoying the game from Khan's suite. I will be rooting on the Packers, but will have to be reserved with so many Jags fans around me.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2024, 11:33:29 AM
Only losers drive in. Took a helicopter with Bill Foley and will be watching from Shad Khan's box.
Well sh!t, see ya in a few minutes then!
Quote from: wadesworld on October 27, 2024, 11:34:20 AM
Parking pass? Bill Murray flew myself and Grayson Allen in for the game on a PJ. Had a Rolls waiting for us with a driver at the airport. Very kind of him. We'll be enjoying the game from Khan's suite. I will be rooting on the Packers, but will have to be reserved with so many Jags fans around me.
Wow! I'll see you there! I'll be wearing a Jim Chones jersey
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2024, 11:35:28 AM
Wow! I'll see you there! I'll be wearing a Jim Chones jersey
Excellent. I have my Packers Carlson jersey on. Any plans for the 9ers game? I'll be locked in somewhere for that one.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 27, 2024, 11:42:48 AM
Excellent. I have my Packers Carlson jersey on. Any plans for the 9ers game? I'll be locked in somewhere for that one.
Shad is flying me out to the game. Should get there for the 2nd half
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2024, 11:44:35 AM
Shad is flying me out to the game. Should get there for the 2nd half
Ah nice. That's some good fortune for you.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 27, 2024, 12:06:09 PM
Ah nice. That's some good fortune for you.
Well, he still has to spend the day in Jacksonville.
Wade Wilson says there is a nice TGI Friday's in Jacksonville.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 27, 2024, 12:15:07 PM
Well, he still has to spend the day in Jacksonville.
Florida is awful in general. The best part is leaving.
Quote from: tower912 on October 27, 2024, 12:19:53 PM
Wade Wilson says there is a nice TGI Friday's in Jacksonville.
That's great information. Will plan to catch Anders kicking tonight from there.
Deadpool reference.
Were those really the best angles to see if his foot was in bounds on the interception? Impossible to tell from those angles.
Great play by McKinney there, bails out Love's interception.
I think it's disgusting that McManus took HIS number. Show Anders some respect.
Fire Saleh. Pretty sleepy half for the offense
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 27, 2024, 01:26:26 PM
Fire Saleh. Pretty sleepy half for the offense
Being here, I can tell you being in Jacksonville is very depressing. Can see why the team is out of sorts
Had the pleasure if meeting some Excellent local MU fans , Alumni and parents with students at MU in the Terrace Suites . So far has been highlight of the day. Great folks.
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 27, 2024, 02:15:43 PM
Had the pleasure if meeting some Excellent local MU fans , Alumni and parents with students at MU in the Terrace Suites . So far has been highlight of the day. Great folks.
Thanks for filling my drink
Huge play by Cooper, also loved Wyatt knocking the OL out of the way to secure the fumble recovery.
Two young players stepping up.
Same old trash Packers defense
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2024, 03:07:05 PM
Same old trash Packers defense
No excuse to let the Jaguars go up and down the field with their top 2 WRs out.
Quote from: forgetful on October 27, 2024, 03:07:38 PM
No excuse to let the Jaguars go up and down the field with their top 2 WRs out.
Zero pass rush. All those draft picks on defense and they can't get to the QB
McManus and Willis are turning out to be brilliant signings by the Packers.
Also, brilliant call on the long pass.
Another impressive win for Anders Carlson Memorial Player of The Year front runner Malik Willis.
Excellent result for the Packers today. Great meeting Unc. Hope he enjoys seeing last year's best Packer tonight.
Was an Excellent win for Packers. Willis looked very confident on the field .
Quote from: wadesworld on October 27, 2024, 03:56:16 PM
Excellent result for the Packers today. Great meeting Unc. Hope he enjoys seeing last year's best Packer tonight.
On the flight now. Was awesome seeing you as well. Was a shame Buffoon Cain could only stay for a little bit as he was busy serving drinks and cleaning the toilets
Terrible waste of broadband space, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 27, 2024, 04:27:26 PM
Terrible waste of broadband space, aina?
We still let you post here though.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 27, 2024, 04:27:26 PM
Terrible waste of broadband space, aina?
Sorry the Packers won today
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2024, 04:51:05 PM
Sorry the Packers won today
6-2, second best record in the NFC. T1 if they win next week. Rough day for some here.
Was there yesterday as well.
Thought the offense needed work from the beginning. Just didn't seem to be clicking and the excessive reliance on the ground game seemed a bit much. Suggest LeFleur doesn't have the confidence in WIllis that he probably should.
At least when our guys get challenged, we win. You should have watched and learned something, Bear fans.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 28, 2024, 08:20:27 AM
Was there yesterday as well.
Thought the offense needed work from the beginning. Just didn't seem to be clicking and the excessive reliance on the ground game seemed a bit much. Suggest LeFleur doesn't have the confidence in WIllis that he probably should.
At least when our guys get challenged, we win. You should have watched and learned something, Bear fans.
Jordan Love was hurt early in the game. You could tell he was limited from then on. Willis performed great for a back up.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 28, 2024, 08:20:27 AM
Was there yesterday as well.
Thought the offense needed work from the beginning. Just didn't seem to be clicking and the excessive reliance on the ground game seemed a bit much. Suggest LeFleur doesn't have the confidence in WIllis that he probably should.
At least when our guys get challenged, we win. You should have watched and learned something, Bear fans.
I thought the offense wasn't aggressive enough from the jump. Jax defense is capital B BAD and the Packers definitely weren't all gas no brakes despite having Saleh on staff.
The offense looks like pure MLF with Willis...need to find a way to do more of that with Jordan around.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 28, 2024, 08:20:27 AM
Was there yesterday as well.
Thought the offense needed work from the beginning. Just didn't seem to be clicking and the excessive reliance on the ground game seemed a bit much. Suggest LeFleur doesn't have the confidence in WIllis that he probably should.
At least when our guys get challenged, we win. You should have watched and learned something, Bear fans.
dgies9156:
Would have been great to get together. I didn't post I was going till day of. Will do earlier next time or send a PM
Was wearing MU gear and met a lot of MU alumni parents and related people at game
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 28, 2024, 01:07:25 PM
dgies9156:
Would have been great together. I didn't post I was going till day of. Will do earlier next time or send a PM
Was wearing MU gear and met a lot of MU alumni parents and related people at game
Yes, you did a good job keeping our drinks cool
Lafleur bullish on Goff
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/10/31/packers-matt-lafleur-on-lions-qb-jared-goff/
Tom Brady calling Packers game today. Looking forward to his insights.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/what-game-tom-brady-calling-this-week-broadcasting-schedule
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 03, 2024, 12:27:47 PMTom Brady calling Packers game today. Looking forward to his insights.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/what-game-tom-brady-calling-this-week-broadcasting-schedule
I'd prefer any other announcer. Brady has been blah at best.
Did Nixon just get flagged for being pushed into a coach?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 03, 2024, 03:29:05 PMDid Nixon just get flagged for being pushed into a coach?
I think it was for jumping over a cooler.
Quote from: forgetful on November 03, 2024, 12:33:19 PMI'd prefer any other announcer. Brady has been blah at best.
He uses too many words.
Outdoors in the rain not bothering Detroit in the least, nor is the Packers terrible front 7
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2024, 03:56:08 PMOutdoors in the rain not bothering Detroit in the least, nor is the Packers terrible front 7
It will be fun watching a running back go for 150 against them in the playoffs.
6 penalties for the Packers through a quarter and a half. Lions have zero.
Dan Campbell is a good coach
Was clearly unnecessary roughness on Branch. Glad to see him thrown out of the game.
That was a DQ?? Wow, just wow.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 03, 2024, 04:20:05 PMWas clearly unnecessary roughness on Branch. Glad to see him thrown out of the game.
Snowflake
Not sure I like NFL HQ throwing out players like that.
What a waste of 30 yards and a riled up crowd.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 03, 2024, 04:23:29 PMNot sure I like NFL HQ throwing out players like that.
It was dirty, intentional, and Branch confirmed it with his antics afterward
Fortunately for him, Packers are poorly coached beyond the Xs and Os
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 03, 2024, 04:24:53 PMIt was dirty, intentional, and Branch confirmed it with his antics afterward
Fortunately for him, Packers are poorly coached beyond the Xs and Os
He acted stupidly but throwing him out surprised me.
Conditions not remotely bothering the MVP
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2024, 04:27:40 PMConditions not remotely bothering the MVP
It helps when the defenses best player always can't go when there's a good WR playing.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 03, 2024, 04:24:53 PMIt was dirty, intentional, and Branch confirmed it with his antics afterward
Fortunately for him, Packers are poorly coached beyond the Xs and Os
Man the Scoop standards for coaching are a little high.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 03, 2024, 04:29:46 PMIt helps when the defenses best player always can't go when there's a good WR playing.
And the Packers cannot get pressure on anyone with their front 4
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 03, 2024, 04:31:02 PMMan the Scoop standards for coaching are a little high.
8 penalties, 3 drops
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 03, 2024, 04:29:46 PMIt helps when the defenses best player always can't go when there's a good WR playing.
Even if he were playing, it wouldn't matter.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 03, 2024, 04:26:21 PMHe acted stupidly but throwing him out surprised me.
Watching it live I thought there was a chance it could be an ejection. Watching the re-play, it was obviously deliberate and egregious.
I'm fine with that being an injection every time.
Not a good decision by Love. Wow.
Sit Jordan down. Don't risk injury, try to do something after the bye
Ball don't lie.
That might have been the worst pass I've ever seen Love throw.
Barring a collapse by the Lions in the 2nd half, that might have ended this one.
Blouses
Oof. His interceptions this year have been a serious problem.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 03, 2024, 04:42:13 PMNot a good decision by Love. Wow.
That's what happens when you let the Dongslinger in town
Packers are too much finesse. Need more toughness. Could learn a lot from the Lions
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2024, 05:06:54 PMPackers are too much finesse. Need more toughness. Could learn a lot from the Lions
Agreed.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2024, 05:06:54 PMPackers are too much finesse. Need more toughness. Could learn a lot from the Lions
That's what happens when your coach spends $100 a week on his hair
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2024, 05:06:54 PMPackers are too much finesse. Need more toughness. Could learn a lot from the Lions
Paper tiger. Comes from tone at the top
Toughness and physicality travels. Doesn't matter the weather or environment.
The Detroit coach will be bitten in the ass again when it matters imo.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 03, 2024, 05:12:54 PMPaper tiger. Comes from tone at the top
There was no doubt the defense wouldn't get a 3-and-out to start the half. A lot of wasted draft capital.
And Lambeau hasn't been a home field advantage in decades
24-3 is the time to go back to the run
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2024, 05:15:11 PMThere was no doubt the defense wouldn't get a 3-and-out to start the half. A lot of wasted draft capital.
And Lambeau hasn't been a home field advantage in decades
Correct. Not sure any place is much of one these days though.
British Open weather.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 03, 2024, 05:14:24 PMThe Detroit coach will be bitten in the ass again when it matters imo.
In what way? He attacks with intensity. I would think you would be a fan.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 03, 2024, 05:18:48 PMCorrect. Not sure any place is much of one these days though.
True but there is zero mystique now at Lambeau except for announcers
Quote from: tower912 on November 03, 2024, 05:22:24 PMIn what way? He attacks with intensity. I would think you would be a fan.
I do like that but there was no reason not to kick a fg there.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 03, 2024, 05:23:33 PMI do like that but there was no reason not to kick a fg there.
He is who he is and quite frankly, it's refreshing
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 03, 2024, 05:23:33 PMI do like that but there was no reason not to kick a fg there.
Of course there was. Bad weather impacts kicks and offense has a distinct advantage on a slick turf in short yardage.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2024, 05:23:05 PMTrue but there is zero mystique now at Lambeau except for announcers
It's a fun place to watch a game when the weather's nice.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 03, 2024, 05:23:33 PMI do like that but there was no reason not to kick a fg there.
Other than to step on their throats?
Undisciplined team in all 3 phases.
Quote from: tower912 on November 03, 2024, 05:31:54 PMOther than to step on their throats?
Mr. ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK guy wants to kick a FG on 4th and 1.
Quote from: tower912 on November 03, 2024, 05:31:54 PMOther than to step on their throats?
I'm a fan of throat stepping. But against the best teams that unnecessary risk can cost you. Subjugation is also different in basketball vs football.
Yes. Ironies abound.
Part of Campbell's 7 point plan.
Quote from: tower912 on November 03, 2024, 05:37:52 PMYes. Ironies abound.
Part of Campbell's 7 point plan.
lol. Yep.
When you can cut a 3 possession lead to a 3 possession lead, you gotta do it.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 03, 2024, 05:39:14 PMWhen you can cut a 3 possession lead to a 3 possession lead, you gotta do it.
That's exactly my point.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 03, 2024, 05:37:27 PMI'm a fan of throat stepping. But against the best teams that unnecessary risk can cost you. Subjugation is also different in basketball vs football.
Muggs........
So if you fail the game stays 17-3 (2 possessions). If you kick a FG it's 20-3. That's 3 possessions. 24-3 is also 3 possessions. What am I missing here?
This coaching staff shat the bed.
Good thing you called a timeout for that
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2024, 05:57:44 PMGood thing you called a timeout for that
McCarthy ass playcall
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 03, 2024, 05:59:23 PMMcCarthy ass playcall
LaFleur getting his azz handed to him
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 03, 2024, 05:57:05 PMThis coaching staff shat the bed.
That wasn't good but at least you're not the Bears. :(
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 03, 2024, 06:02:37 PMThat wasn't good but at least you're not the Bears. :(
That's not a hard bar to clear
Fire Saleh
Christian Watson is horrible at tracking the ball in the air. Not sure I've seen an NFL receiver be worse at tracking the deep ball.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/11/03/instant-analysis-of-packers-24-14-loss-to-lions-in-week-9/
Quote from: forgetful on November 03, 2024, 06:51:20 PMChristian Watson is horrible at tracking the ball in the air. Not sure I've seen an NFL receiver be worse at tracking the deep ball.
He spent all of last year with Love underthrowing him. It looked identical to the play in DET last year where he DID underthrow him
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 03, 2024, 06:55:10 PMHe spent all of last year with Love underthrowing him. It looked identical to the play in DET last year where he DID underthrow him
He was also routinely underthrowing the ball yesterday. At some point the receivers have to assume it'll be under them.
Preston Smith to the Steelers.
I don't get it. The CB is already weak and now you unloaded Joe Barry's slot CB
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/it-s-past-time-for-packers-touted-pass-rushers-to-turn-up-heat-01jc1jxm083s
The pass rush is bad. Gary, Clark and Van Ness all are way down compared to last year. Gary's two full sacks are when he was unblocked.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 07, 2024, 09:45:46 AMhttps://www.si.com/nfl/packers/it-s-past-time-for-packers-touted-pass-rushers-to-turn-up-heat-01jc1jxm083s
The pass rush is bad. Gary, Clark and Van Ness all are way down compared to last year. Gary's two full sacks are when he was unblocked.
Three first round picks and no notable pass rush.
I think there are some scheme related questions here. Otherwise, how did all three drop off so quickly?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 07, 2024, 11:04:45 AMI think there are some scheme related questions here. Otherwise, how did all three drop off so quickly?
Clark is getting old. LVN appears to just not be very good. Gary yes.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 07, 2024, 11:08:42 AMClark is getting old. LVN appears to just not be very good. Gary yes.
Clark I get. But even if Van Ness wasn't worth a first round pick, and I think that's pretty obvious, you would expect to see improvement in year two right? Maybe the 4-3 scheme is more problematic than I realized.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 07, 2024, 11:11:54 AMClark I get. But even if Van Ness wasn't worth a first round pick, and I think that's pretty obvious, you would expect to see improvement in year two right? Maybe the 4-3 scheme is more problematic than I realized.
Gutekunst is enamored with athletes. Athletes can play in college. In the NFL, athletes can get exposed.
Clark is just getting older. He was a dude. The other two are athletes who I'm not sure are anything beyond that. And Gary frustrated Michigan fans in college. He was a 5* who didn't exactly dominate at that level like expected
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 07, 2024, 11:11:54 AMClark I get. But even if Van Ness wasn't worth a first round pick, and I think that's pretty obvious, you would expect to see improvement in year two right? Maybe the 4-3 scheme is more problematic than I realized.
Halfley rarely blitzes which means the opposing OL doesn't have to think too much about who to block or prioritize. It's 5v4 every down, even without TE help.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2024, 11:15:18 AMGutekunst is enamored with athletes. Athletes can play in college. In the NFL, athletes can get exposed.
Clark is just getting older. He was a dude. The other two are athletes who I'm not sure are anything beyond that. And Gary frustrated Michigan fans in college. He was a 5* who didn't exactly dominate at that level like expected
Agree on Clark. Gary was very good for two years. He also gets double teamed a lot.
Van Ness hasn't shown much of anything besides athleticism.
Meanwhile, my best friend, the Steeler fan, cannot believe they got Preston Smith for a 7th.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 07, 2024, 11:11:54 AMClark I get. But even if Van Ness wasn't worth a first round pick, and I think that's pretty obvious, you would expect to see improvement in year two right? Maybe the 4-3 scheme is more problematic than I realized.
The 4-3 is why Preston Smith asked for and got a trade, he prefers playing in a 3-4.
Congrats to GB. Game over in 3 mins, 45 secs.
Jayden Reed is a game changer
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 17, 2024, 12:09:47 PMCongrats to GB. Game over in 3 mins, 45 secs.
If I wasn't a Christian, I'd dump a lot of money in Chicago now
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2024, 12:30:53 PMIf I wasn't a Christian, I'd dump a lot of money in Chicago now
Especially if they're gonna get those soft roughness calls.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 17, 2024, 12:37:56 PMEspecially if they're gonna get those soft roughness calls.
That was soft but they missed a pretty blatant one by McDuffie a few plays earlier.
Bad decision on the RPO, slow developing reverse and a terrible pass. Just pissing away points
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But they'll still lose.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2024, 12:57:36 PMBad decision on the RPO, slow developing reverse and a terrible pass. Just pissing away points
redzone play has been absolute trash all season
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 17, 2024, 12:58:55 PM🐻 🐻�❄ 🐻 🐻�❄:)
But they'll still lose.
The Packers defensive line isn't just bad, it's also football dumb. If you can't get home, maintain lane integrity and hold the edge. Just a sloppy team
And the defense keeps letting Williams out of the pocket where he's been bad all year. Very undisciplined with containment.
Someone email Hafley to tell him the Bears game plan is 5 yards passs and Williams running.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 17, 2024, 01:06:01 PMAnd the defense keeps letting Williams out of the pocket where he's been bad all year. Very undisciplined with containment.
Maybe one of the blitzes will get home against the Bears stout o-line
Bears are running the Justin Fields offense and the Packers are running the Packers defense. A battle of garbage
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 17, 2024, 01:08:26 PMSomeone email Hafley to tell him the Bears game plan is 5 yards passs and Williams running.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2024, 01:05:15 PMThe Packers defensive line isn't just bad, it's also football dumb. If you can't get home, maintain lane integrity and hold the edge. Just a sloppy team
They've had a very undisciplined half. I don't think the Bears have attempted a pass more than 10 yards.
Expecting Quay Walker to make a play 😂
Has the offense been better under Willis this season? Every receiver has seemed to disappear for long stretches. No one seems to be making that jump besides maybe reed.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 17, 2024, 01:22:34 PMHas the offense been better under Willis this season? Every receiver has seemed to disappear for long stretches. No one seems to be making that jump besides maybe reed.
Under Willis they played the Colts, Titans and a couple series against the Jags.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2024, 01:19:53 PMExpecting Quay Walker to make a play 😂
Right? Hits the RB high and gets trucked.
The Packers had 2 weeks to self scout and realize they were better without Quay.
Confident the Packers will win this one, MLF typically makes great adjustments.
But I'm losing faith in them as a real contender at this point.
The optimist in me is hoping the Bears staff is competent and have made adjustments. I'm mostly worried the defense is mediocre per usual.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 17, 2024, 01:47:09 PMThe optimist in me is hoping the Bears staff is competent and have made adjustments. I'm mostly worried the defense is mediocre per usual.
QB running isn't sustainable.
No defense adjustments. Sad
Jesus this defensive line
lol, Quay Walker
I'm in disbelief.
Bring back Joe Barry Carroll.
Packers are too good a team to need the refs to make an obvious false start call
300 yards already ;D ;D
Quote from: Jockey on November 17, 2024, 02:05:52 PMBring back Joe Barry Carroll.
It was always primarily a lack of talent problem. The front seven is really substandard, which is amazing considering the draft capital spent on defense.
Quote from: Jockey on November 17, 2024, 02:05:52 PMBring back Joe Barry Carroll.
Lukas Van Ness is so bad. Just got destroyed by Cole Kmet on that TD run. Gave up the edge way too easy
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2024, 02:05:28 PMWhy? The Packers defense sucks.
I just didn't think the Bears could score a td on any nfl team.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 17, 2024, 02:05:07 PMI'm in disbelief.
I knew the Bears offense would be different and the Packers would struggle responding. It's really not a great unit.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 17, 2024, 02:11:08 PMI just didn't think the Bears could score a td on any nfl team.
Any other defense would adjust to this Mickey Mouse offense the Bears are running and shut them down or at least challenge them
Yeesh. That's a bad set of plays.
Jordan just doesn't have it
Wow. Why not kick a fg there?
Why wouldn't Green Bay take the points there?
Red zone play calling today has been as bad as the defense
Interesting time for Jordan to decide NOT to throw the ball.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2024, 02:21:40 PMRed zone play calling today has been as bad as the defense
It's been that way all season.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 17, 2024, 02:20:37 PMWhy wouldn't Green Bay take the points there?
That's a really good question. I have no idea what analytics say go for that, but that's a bad decision.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 17, 2024, 02:22:21 PMThat's a really good question. I have no idea what analytics say go for that, but that's a bad decision.
Well, the defense will probably get a 3-and-out
Maybe Gute needs to hire someone to pick defensive players
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 17, 2024, 02:19:41 PMJordan just doesn't have it
He's made one bad throw today.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 17, 2024, 02:27:57 PMMaybe Gute needs to hire someone to pick defensive players
LaFleur just needs his guy at DC
The Packers are not so good that you can just not call false start on the Bears at all
They're going for it up 5?
I'm actually pretty shocked the line didn't fall for it.
Okay. Just some nonsense.
If this gets overturned the fix is in
Incredible catch if that stands. Wow.
That's a TD.
Stupid challenge by LaFleur if you had any faith in this redzone offense. Alas...
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 17, 2024, 02:44:02 PMStupid challenge by LaFleur if you had any faith in this redzone offense. Alas...
Rather knock off a couple seconds anyway.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 17, 2024, 02:43:50 PMThat's a TD.
Goal line no longer extends to infinity. Not sure when that rule changed but right call.
What in the hell was that call
MLF NOT much better than Hadley today.
How many time-outs for Chi?
Get rid of the ball!!! Fk.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 17, 2024, 02:47:38 PMA bad decision.
On replay, it was just the worst rep at the worst possible time by Walker. Passing still increases your options and is still the right call.
Get rid of Hafley
Wow. Two great plays there.
Nice job allowing them get 15 yards on 3rd and 19
Lololololol
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2024, 02:55:23 PMNice job allowing them get 15 yards on 3rd and 19
Lololololol
Williams made a great play avoiding the sack.
Haha
Omg.
LOL OMG
Bears playing for a 46-yard FG, even with today's kickers is a masterclass in losing
Complete lack of focus.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2024, 02:59:53 PMBears playing for a 46-yard FG, even with today's kickers is a masterclass in losing
Incompetent coaching.
As I've always said GB's STs are the gold standard in the NFL.
I hate this team but take the win and run
Love 13/17 for 261. One incompletion was a drop, one was a throwaway, 15.4 YPA. He plays like an MVP on like 80% of drop backs. He's just gotta stop making 1-2 terrible mistakes per game.
Bears still suck...
Quote from: BM1090 on November 17, 2024, 03:06:09 PMLove 13/17 for 261. One incompletion was a drop, one was a throwaway, 15.4 YPA. He plays like an MVP on like 80% of drop backs. He's just gotta stop making 1-2 terrible mistakes per game.
His INT was bad, but that was a missed throw. Not a bad read.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 17, 2024, 03:06:09 PMLove 13/17 for 261. One incompletion was a drop, one was a throwaway, 15.4 YPA. He plays like an MVP on like 80% of drop backs. He's just gotta stop making 1-2 terrible mistakes per game.
Exactly, 1-2 terrible mistakes cost games. Next game luck may not be found.
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 17, 2024, 03:20:12 PMExactly, 1-2 terrible mistakes cost games. Next game luck may not be found.
Luck? The point is that he had a good game. They only had the ball six times, excluding the kneel down at the end of the first half. Three TDs, two drives end in the red zone and a punt.
If a middle finger hadn't got in the way, it was a L.
You are all missing the point, the Bears still suck. Go listen to Hampton and O'Bannon post-game on 720 to make your day....
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 17, 2024, 03:26:03 PMIf a middle finger hadn't got in the way, it was a L.
How is that luck?
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 17, 2024, 03:29:22 PMYou are all missing the point, the Bears still suck. Go listen to Hampton and O'Bannon post-game on 720 to make your day....
You're missing the point. After that Packer performance, the Bears know they can beat the Packers.
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 17, 2024, 03:47:30 PMYou're missing the point. After that Packer performance, the Bears know they can beat the Packers.
[Quote from: NCMUFan on November 17, 2024, 03:47:30 PMYou're missing the point. After that Packer performance, the Bears know they can beat the Packers.
Or..., they realized they will lose no matter what.
I hope that is the case.
We will see next game against the Bears.
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 17, 2024, 03:47:30 PMYou're missing the point. After that Packer performance, the Bears know they can beat the Packers.
Do they? They played turnover free football and limited the number of Packers possessions and still lost
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 17, 2024, 03:47:30 PMYou're missing the point. After that Packer performance, the Bears know they can beat the Packers.
Nah, packers can play much better than they did. and at home, they will win by 21. Bears still suck...
The question is, if they can, then why don't they?
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 17, 2024, 03:57:49 PMThe question is, if they can, then why don't they?
Because they're a dumb team with a defense full of workout warriors and not necessarily good football olayers
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2024, 04:25:01 PMBecause they're a dumb team with a defense full of workout warriors and not necessarily good football olayers
Lukas Van Ness may go down as a worse pick than Jamal Reynolds. And that's saying something.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 17, 2024, 04:38:27 PMLukas Van Ness may go down as a worse pick than Jamal Reynolds. And that's saying something.
https://dairylandexpress.com/packers-defender-weakness-cost-green-bay-down-stretch-01jcxprn2asa
Quote from: Jockey on November 17, 2024, 02:05:52 PMBring back Joe Barry Carroll.
he played basketball though
The thing that scares me about the defense is how unprepared they were. Word out of Chicago last week was about changing offense to run more and make quick throws. So Hadley comes out with a 2-deep defense that made it easy for the bears to move the ball. Don't think there was a 3-and-out all day.
Total fail of a game plan.
Quote from: Jockey on November 18, 2024, 11:06:19 AMThe thing that scares me about the defense is how unprepared they were. Word out of Chicago last week was about changing offense to run more and make quick throws. So Hadley comes out with a 2-deep defense that made it easy for the bears to move the ball. Don't think there was a 3-and-out all day.
Total fail of a game plan.
Thought about this some more. Yes, being prepared for more running/quick game was prudent. But it's a double-edged sword. Caleb has struggled to get the ball out quickly or adjust to guys not being schemed open...best way to get that is press man. The vulnerability to that is guys with their backs to the QB.
The real shortcoming to me is missed sacks (rare they had pressure but Enegbare missed 2) and God-awful linebacker play against Caleb - Cooper included.
This is not a good defense, and it's being covered by high-variance plays. You could tell me that the Packers did what they did in 99 and spent their first 3 picks at CB...or DL...or LB...and I would believe you
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 18, 2024, 12:37:11 PMThought about this some more. Yes, being prepared for more running/quick game was prudent. But it's a double-edged sword. Caleb has struggled to get the ball out quickly or adjust to guys not being schemed open...best way to get that is press man. The vulnerability to that is guys with their backs to the QB.
The real shortcoming to me is missed sacks (rare they had pressure but Enegbare missed 2) and God-awful linebacker play against Caleb - Cooper included.
This is not a good defense, and it's being covered by high-variance plays. You could tell me that the Packers did what they did in 99 and spent their first 3 picks at CB...or DL...or LB...and I would believe you
The defense just sucks. It's no more complicated than that. Van Ness and the guys on the edge were awful yesterday.
49ers haven't been good this year, but Shanahan has to see that film and drool
Bears crying foul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtwrjAF5s-M
https://www.reuters.com/sports/matt-eberflus-bears-cry-foul-nfl-game-deciding-fg-block-2024-11-18/#:~:text=Eberflus%20said%20the%20Bears%20are,game%2Dwinning%2046%2Dyarder.
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 18, 2024, 04:24:24 PMBears crying foul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtwrjAF5s-M
https://www.reuters.com/sports/matt-eberflus-bears-cry-foul-nfl-game-deciding-fg-block-2024-11-18/#:~:text=Eberflus%20said%20the%20Bears%20are,game%2Dwinning%2046%2Dyarder.
Is it legal to go over the snapper? Is it legal to push another d lineman?
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 18, 2024, 05:39:01 PMIs it legal to go over the snapper? Is it legal to push another d lineman?
Compelling argument by Eberflus if his goal is to look like a sore loser and trying to deflect his terrible end of game management
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2024, 05:40:34 PMCompelling argument by Eberflus if his goal is to look like a sore loser and trying to deflect his terrible end of game management
Is it legal to go over the snapper? Is it legal to push another d lineman
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 18, 2024, 05:39:01 PMIs it legal to go over the snapper? Is it legal to push another d lineman?
After 1 second, yes. Also, the Packers didn't lineup over the long snapper and shot the gap, something they knew they could exploit.
In the post-game on The Score yesterday, Patrick Mannelley, Bears former long snapper said it was terrible effort by the long snapper and LG
https://youtu.be/OtwrjAF5s-M?si=yVgQ6I3I1AuPGkji
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2024, 05:50:26 PMAfter 1 second, yes. Also, the Packers didn't lineup over the long snapper and shot the gap, something they knew they could exploit.
In the post-game on The Score yesterday, Patrick Mannelley, Bears former long snapper said it was terrible effort by the long snapper and LG
Gotcha. Didn't know the rules, which is why I asked.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2024, 05:50:26 PMAfter 1 second, yes. Also, the Packers didn't lineup over the long snapper and shot the gap, something they knew they could exploit.
In the post-game on The Score yesterday, Patrick Mannelley, Bears former long snapper said it was terrible effort by the long snapper and LG
Gotcha. Wasn't sure of the rules.
You won't see me defending Ebeflus
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2024, 05:50:26 PMAfter 1 second, yes. Also, the Packers didn't lineup over the long snapper and shot the gap, something they knew they could exploit.
In the post-game on The Score yesterday, Patrick Mannelley, Bears former long snapper said it was terrible effort by the long snapper and LG
Thought this was interesting:
https://www.footballzebras.com/2024/11/week-11-officiating-liveblog-2024/
No flag on Packers field goal block
Ben Austro Ben Austro
The Packers get a field goal block to preserve a win. But is this legal?The center goes down on the play, and we know that long snappers are considered defenseless players. This means that, until he has an opportunity to lift up and reset his posture, he may not be forcibly contacted in the head or neck area.
You have Packers lineman Karl Brooks (#94) working his way through the A gap and his thigh contacts the center in the head. This is incidental to him attempting to move through the gap, so we can't count this as forcible.
It looks like the Bears are attempting to use the long snapper's protection to get an extra advantage. The center doesn't lift his head right away and the left guard seems to time and angle his block so that Brooks is pushed slightly out of the gap and into the center. Were they trying to get an unnecessary roughness call out of this? While the center never re-rights himself, it is not because a Packers lineman crashed down on his head.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 18, 2024, 06:07:06 PMThought this was interesting:
https://www.footballzebras.com/2024/11/week-11-officiating-liveblog-2024/
No flag on Packers field goal block
Ben Austro Ben Austro
The Packers get a field goal block to preserve a win. But is this legal?The center goes down on the play, and we know that long snappers are considered defenseless players. This means that, until he has an opportunity to lift up and reset his posture, he may not be forcibly contacted in the head or neck area.
You have Packers lineman Karl Brooks (#94) working his way through the A gap and his thigh contacts the center in the head. This is incidental to him attempting to move through the gap, so we can't count this as forcible.
It looks like the Bears are attempting to use the long snapper's protection to get an extra advantage. The center doesn't lift his head right away and the left guard seems to time and angle his block so that Brooks is pushed slightly out of the gap and into the center. Were they trying to get an unnecessary roughness call out of this? While the center never re-rights himself, it is not because a Packers lineman crashed down on his head.
I don't blame the Bears for crying foul. Teams do this all the time and we rarely hear about it. Most times, they don't announce it to the press. Eberflus makes himself look worse, imo, but he's a dead man walking, so whatever
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 18, 2024, 06:07:06 PMThought this was interesting:
https://www.footballzebras.com/2024/11/week-11-officiating-liveblog-2024/
No flag on Packers field goal block
Ben Austro Ben Austro
The Packers get a field goal block to preserve a win. But is this legal?The center goes down on the play, and we know that long snappers are considered defenseless players. This means that, until he has an opportunity to lift up and reset his posture, he may not be forcibly contacted in the head or neck area.
You have Packers lineman Karl Brooks (#94) working his way through the A gap and his thigh contacts the center in the head. This is incidental to him attempting to move through the gap, so we can't count this as forcible.
It looks like the Bears are attempting to use the long snapper's protection to get an extra advantage. The center doesn't lift his head right away and the left guard seems to time and angle his block so that Brooks is pushed slightly out of the gap and into the center. Were they trying to get an unnecessary roughness call out of this? While the center never re-rights himself, it is not because a Packers lineman crashed down on his head.
That's what it looked like to me, but I can't pretend I knew any rules so wasn't sure if it'd be legal anyway or not. Looked like Brooks got blocked in towards the center, and the center was extremely slow to make an attempt to help block.
Apparently a defensive player can contact the snapper after 1 second from the ball being snapped.
I'd argue it wasn't 1 second, but close.
Also, it is illegal on a kick for a defensive player to push another defensive player into the offensive formation.
#90 intentionally does this.
Edit: apparently the 1 second is a college rule, not NFL.
Article points to positive progression for #10 and potentially powerful performance in next 7 games.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/11/18/packers-qb-jordan-love-throws-another-int-but-encouraging-signs-emerge-from-win-over-bears/
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 18, 2024, 04:24:24 PMBears crying foul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtwrjAF5s-M
https://www.reuters.com/sports/matt-eberflus-bears-cry-foul-nfl-game-deciding-fg-block-2024-11-18/#:~:text=Eberflus%20said%20the%20Bears%20are,game%2Dwinning%2046%2Dyarder.
Should have stopped your post at "Bears crying..."
Brock Starr must be crushed that he won't play in the home of the quarterback he's been compared with.
Bears informed the field goal block was legal.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024/11/22/nfl-tells-bears-that-last-second-blocked-field-goal-by-packers-was-clean-play-source
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 23, 2024, 06:14:53 AMBears informed the field goal block was legal.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024/11/22/nfl-tells-bears-that-last-second-blocked-field-goal-by-packers-was-clean-play-source
Huh
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2024, 07:34:14 AMHuh
Loser organization doing what loser organizations do.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 23, 2024, 08:18:19 AMLoser organization doing what loser organizations do.
It was a deflection by Eberflus to distract from his terrible game management. Nothing more than that.
Injury Report Packers 49ers
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/11/22/breaking-down-packers-final-injury-report-of-week-12-vs-49ers/
I'm a little scared. Brandon Bratkowski is not your typical back-up quarterback.
Haven't covered Kittle all day. Why start now?
Packers wideouts. Woof
Oh look Christian Watson shrinking to the occasion
Not sure I like 3 deep balls. They were moving and could have gotten a FG.
Nice job by Bisaccia making sure Deebo isn't on the field to start the 2nd
#10 looks pretty pedestrian, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2024, 05:16:23 PM#10 looks pretty pedestrian, aina?
Yeah, should have kept Rodgers
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2024, 05:16:23 PM#10 looks pretty pedestrian, aina?
I think he's made some nice throws. If Watson had hands, he has a pretty good looking stat line.
McKinney with a beautiful interception return.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 24, 2024, 05:21:36 PMI think he's made some nice throws. If Watson had hands, he has a pretty good looking stat line.
Great throw to Doubs there as well
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2024, 05:16:23 PM#10 looks pretty pedestrian, aina?
Looks good to me. A drop on a beautiful throw is the only preventing him from a great stat line.
But you've made it pretty clear you have no idea what you're watching when it comes to football. Love has made one throw today that wasn't good, and it still hit the receiver in the hands.
Safe to say the Packers made the tough, but right call on Jacobs over Jones.
Tua will eat this defense up.
Quote from: Jockey on November 24, 2024, 05:33:32 PMTua will eat this defense up.
On a cold night in GB? Doubtful. In Miami? Probably.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 24, 2024, 05:27:47 PMLooks good to me. A drop on a beautiful throw is the only preventing him from a great stat line.
But you've made it pretty clear you have no idea what you're watching when it comes to football. Love has made one throw today that wasn't good, and it still hit the receiver in the hands.
Make that two bad throws. Gotta stop doing that crap
Ok, that was a terrible pass
Quote from: BM1090 on November 24, 2024, 05:35:13 PMOn a cold night in GB? Doubtful. In Miami? Probably.
Let's hope Tua is in Gb, then.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 24, 2024, 05:27:47 PMLooks good to me. A drop on a beautiful throw is the only preventing him from a great stat line.
But you've made it pretty clear you have no idea what you're watching when it comes to football. Love has made one throw today that wasn't good, and it still hit the receiver in the hands.
For $50 mil, qb1 oughta make more than 2 nice throws, aina?
I don't think the weather is supposed to be too bad on Thursday.
Anyway Xavier McKinney has been just a great pick up.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2024, 05:51:14 PMFor $50 mil, qb1 oughta make more than 2 nice throws, aina?
Your trolls aren't even clever.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2024, 05:51:14 PMFor $50 mil, qb1 oughta make more than 2 nice throws, aina?
Who do you think should be QB for the Packers?
I'll try to do better, hey?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 24, 2024, 05:51:17 PMI don't think the weather is supposed to be too bad on Thursday.
Anyway Xavier McKinney has been just a great pick up.
Not too bad for GB, but about 26 degrees at kickoff. Tua is 0-7 when it's under 40 degrees.
Jordan wants to turn it over so bad
Quote from: BM1090 on November 24, 2024, 05:55:47 PMNot too bad for GB, but about 26 degrees at kickoff. Tua is 0-7 when it's under 40 degrees.
Who did he play in those games?
The idea that cold weather is a huge advantage for Green Bay died a long time ago.
I kinda like Lamar Jackson, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2024, 05:57:50 PMI kinda like Lamar Jackson, hey?
That's not a realistic option. Who would should be playing QB in Green Bay
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 24, 2024, 05:57:28 PMWho did he play in those games?
The idea that cold weather is a huge advantage for Green Bay died a long time ago.
Not sure, I'll try to find it but haven't had much luck. I'd assume at least a few against Buffalo. KC in the playoffs last year.
I don't think it's a big advantage for GB. I don't think the Packers play especially well in the cold. It's just that Tua has been especially bad in this type of situation.
The Dolphins are also 2-14 in their last 16 against teams above .500
I worry more about Achane than Tua.
My point is #10 is not a $50 mil qb. Threw a ton of interceptions in college and continues that 4 years into the pros. Could easily had 2 more ints today. Outside of 8-9 games last season, what distinguishes him? Can you win a Super Bowl with this guy? Maybe, but I think the rest of the team has to be outstanding in phases of the game. Right now, I think he's more of a system qb, than an outstanding talent, hey?
If you are stuck on the price tag, you aren't really up on modern football. That's kind of the going rate for a decent quarterback now. Look at the contract a guy like Daniel Jones got.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2024, 06:08:34 PMMy point is #10 is not a $50 mil qb. Threw a ton of interceptions in college and continues that 4 years into the pros. Could easily had 2 more ints today. Outside of 8-9 games last season, what distinguishes him? Can you win a Super Bowl with this guy? Maybe, but I think the rest of the team has to be outstanding in phases of the game. Right now, I think he's more of a system qb, than an outstanding talent, hey?
So you would have let him walk and start over at QB? Noted
It has been fun having a QB buy into a good, modern offense the last two years.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2024, 06:08:34 PMMy point is #10 is not a $50 mil qb. Threw a ton of interceptions in college and continues that 4 years into the pros. Could easily had 2 more ints today. Outside of 8-9 games last season, what distinguishes him? Can you win a Super Bowl with this guy? Maybe, but I think the rest of the team has to be outstanding in phases of the game. Right now, I think he's more of a system qb, than an outstanding talent, hey?
I think your talent evaluation is off. But it doesn't really matter. He's likely a top ten QB in the league today, and that's what those guys get paid. You're more upset with the market than the QB.
I understand you probably wouldn't place him top 10, but there's no way even the biggest Love hater could place him worse than 15.
That's the going rate.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 24, 2024, 06:11:20 PMIt has been fun having a QB by into a good, modern offense the last two years.
Yup
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 24, 2024, 06:09:40 PMIf you are stuck on the price tag, you aren't really up on modern football. That's kind of the going rate for a decent quarterback now. Look at the contract a guy like Daniel Jones got.
Yep. As the salary cap keeps growing, the quarterback contracts will as well. And yes they can win a Super Bowl with him. The surrounding cast, especially on defense, needs to be better.
How many NFL teams would trade their quarterback situation for the Packers'? I would say probably around 20.
Sultan
0-7. Buffalo 3X, KC, Baltimore, Tennessee, SF. So mostly good teams. All on the road.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2024, 06:00:57 PMThat's not a realistic option. Who would should be playing QB in Green Bay
Vince Young
Objectively, they are all overpaid. However, the unfettered marketplace dictates that is an appropriate contract.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2024, 06:08:34 PMMy point is #10 is not a $50 mil qb. Threw a ton of interceptions in college and continues that 4 years into the pros. Could easily had 2 more ints today. Outside of 8-9 games last season, what distinguishes him? Can you win a Super Bowl with this guy? Maybe, but I think the rest of the team has to be outstanding in phases of the game. Right now, I think he's more of a system qb, than an outstanding talent, hey?
If the guy you said was the best player on the Packers last year makes a 41 yard field goal, they're playing a game in Detroit, where they had won a few weeks earlier, to go to a Super Bowl last year. Should've beat the Niners who went to OT in the Super Bowl.
So I'd say yes, the Packers could win a SB with #10 as their QB. Will they? Chances are they won't, but that doesn't mean they can't.
I'm happy to have Love instead of Rodgers under center.
How quarterback contracts work in the NFL.
1. Draft a guy
2. If he does well, pay that guy
3. If he stinks after you pay him, you cut/trade him, take the cap hit, and start over at (1)
OR
1. Find a journeyman and hope he's more Baker Mayfield that Gardner Minshew.
Of the 14 teams that made the NFL playoffs last year, 10 of them had quarterbacks they originally drafted. 2 of them traded quarterbacks they originally drafted for one another (Rams, Lions). 2 had journeymen (Browns, Bucs)
Really enjoyed Erin on the broadcast. She's the ultimate in professional journalism, hey?
Ugh. Jason Garrett.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 24, 2024, 05:35:13 PMOn a cold night in GB? Doubtful. In Miami? Probably.
^
Dat's da wey ta manage da clock, aina?
Pretty ideal half for the late game on thanksgiving.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 28, 2024, 09:03:03 PMPretty ideal half for the late game on thanksgiving.
Fins game plan is puzzling, to say the least.
Just not sure what the heck Miami is doing tonight. Is it the Packers defense or a bad game plan?
Love has been smart tonight. Avoiding the dumb throw.
Win next week playing like tonight and enthusiasm should build
Jordan missed the one but is slinging it tonight.
Defense needs one stop to slam the door
Quote from: Apolitical Warrior on November 28, 2024, 09:50:18 PMDefense needs one stop to slam the door
I say they go passive. That always works in the NFL.
And there's the Packers defense we all know and love
Quote from: Jockey on November 28, 2024, 09:55:26 PMI say they go passive. That always works in the NFL.
Hafley agrees
6 minute drive with 0 points is ideal.
Tua saving that Yolo ball for next week. Will pair nicely with Eberflus' last timeout
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 28, 2024, 09:56:25 PMAnd there's the Packers defense we all know and love
I will say though, at least they started with a good game plan - stop the run and don't let WRs get deep. It's frustrating watching guys wide open over the middle for 8-12 yards over and over, but it was the proper play.
Quote from: Jockey on November 28, 2024, 11:18:37 PMI will say though, at least they started with a good game plan - stop the run and don't let WRs get deep. It's frustrating watching guys wide open over the middle for 8-12 yards over and over, but it was the proper play.
Yeah, with a 3 TD lead, you want to eliminate the quick scores and make the Fins drive the field and chew up clock. They did force a FG but had the offsides on the first TD drive for Miami. Bit unlucky on that 2nd TD, too. That could have been a pick.
After last night, I'm out on McDaniel. Just a poor game plan against this defense. They basically copied the Bears and unlike Detroit, Green Bay didn't have plumbers and dentists playing defense by the 4th Q
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2024, 06:52:35 AMYeah, with a 3 TD lead, you want to eliminate the quick scores and make the Fins drive the field and chew up clock. They did force a FG but had the offsides on the first TD drive for Miami. Bit unlucky on that 2nd TD, too. That could have been a pick.
After last night, I'm out on McDaniel. Just a poor game plan against this defense. They basically copied the Bears and unlike Detroit, Green Bay didn't have plumbers and dentists playing defense by the 4th Q
McDaniel was visibly shivering holding his call sheet. You can't just wear a hoodie out there.
For those who were unaware, I am a Lions fan. Moving on. Thoughts, predictions for tonight?
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 01:27:35 PMFor those who were unaware, I am a Lions fan. Moving on. Thoughts, predictions for tonight?
Packers 69 Lions 4
If you are willing to give the Lions and 65 points, I might break my lifetime abstension from gambling.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 01:27:35 PMFor those who were unaware, I am a Lions fan. Moving on. Thoughts, predictions for tonight?
GB defense has given an average of 15 PPG last 4. Lions will need to score a lot more than that.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 01:30:35 PMIf you are willing to give the Lions and 65 points, I might break my lifetime abstension from gambling.
Sorry, I'm a Christian and we don't gamble
Yes, they will. I think the d-line is too depleted to get to Love or eliminate Jacob's. IMO, Detroit's best chance is to win a shootout.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 01:28:04 PMPackers 69 Lions 4
I have it scored similarly.
Packers 58 Lions 5
Any game ending in 4 would be cool though. Fill in the NFL Scorigami.
Lions 31 Pack 23.
Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2024, 01:34:02 PMGB defense has given an average of 15 PPG last 4. Lions will need to score a lot more than that.
Try again
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 05, 2024, 02:00:23 PMTry again
15.75 ppg over the last four games. One of Detroit's TDs was an INT return.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 05, 2024, 02:11:52 PM15.75 ppg over the last four games. One of Detroit's TDs was an INT return.
I'm aware. Defense was also bailed out by special teams against the Bears, or else it would be 16.5 ppg. But 15 per game is incorrect, which was my point.
Picking nits.
Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2024, 02:19:16 PMPicking nits.
Averages are always skewed by one great or bad outing, especially a tiny sample size like you used. SF playing a backup qb was very helpful.
Announcers are very complimentary of the Lions. Tower has to be furious
Not furious. Watching calmly, as always.
Packers going to have to score 50
Quote from: BM1090 on December 05, 2024, 07:27:15 PM30-24 Pack.
Expect Goff, Gibbs, LaPorta and Sewell to get hurt?
Lions defense kicked the daylights out of the Packers o-line on that drive
Nice tackle, uhhhhh, buddy?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 07:35:38 PMLions defense kicked the daylights out of the Packers o-line on that drive
Yeah. The pressure they were able to get there is concerning. If the Packers can't win on the O Line they don't have much chance at all.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 07:28:17 PMExpect Goff, Gibbs, LaPorta and Sewell to get hurt?
They scored 17 points last time. Gave them an extra TD for homefield. First drives don't mean much when it comes to the rest of the game. If they march again here, I'm clearly going to be wrong.
GB headin' for a thumpin'.
O-line better wake up
I don't watch a lot of Thursday night games. Does it always feel this low energy?
I don't remember Love being under pressure to this extent all year.
Detroit blitzing more than usual so far.
Wise to blitz Goff.
Wasted challenge
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 07:49:32 PMWasted challenge
Probably. But they marked him almost a full yard further than he got. Can't imagine there's enough evidence to overturn though.
Edit: Agree with you, they won't win it and it's a wasted challenge, but terrible spot.
We're reduced to wishin' and hopin'.
Bit bamboozled by the Lions plan on that last drive
That was useful.
Fumble followed by a Quay stupid penalty. Hitting the high notes.
Three straight awesome defensive possesions.
Beating the Lions o-line after that first drive. Nice adjustments.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 08:07:52 PMBeating the Lions o-line after that first drive. Nice adjustments.
Yup. Wont matter if the packers O line can't start winning though
Looks like the Packers have decided to grind. Smart.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 08:11:41 PMLooks like the Packers have decided to grind. Smart.
Yeah. Should have started the game that way. With the lack of depth, wear that defense out
Just run edge screens against this defense all night long good lord
IF there was any question about which team is tougher, I think it has been answered.
Resoundingly!!!
Green Bay.
Ben Johnson ate Hafley's lunch on that drive
Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2024, 08:36:02 PMIF there was any question about which team is tougher, I think it has been answered.
Resoundingly!!!
Eh. The difference is one turnover really. Probably 14-10 or tied otherwise.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 05, 2024, 08:40:54 PMEh. The difference is one turnover really. Probably 14-10 or tied otherwise.
7 points against a group of backups.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 05, 2024, 07:44:22 PMI don't watch a lot of Thursday night games. Does it always feel this low energy?
Pretty much. TNF games are usually pretty brutal and bad for player safety, but the NFL is still cashing those checks.
The "hold the ball for 8 min at a time" strategy is one of the worst to watch...especially when said team is trailing and giving up points. Seen enough of that in losing efforts against the Chiefs
https://bsky.app/profile/jumosq.bsky.social/post/3lcm5qvcmdc2c
That was a big boy pass for that TD
That is why going for it on 4th down at the end of the half had to happen.
That might be a big turnover.
And that was a terrible throw by Goff. Not sure what he saw there
New leaders.
Heck of a halftime speech by MLF.
Packers are going to do another all defense draft which has worked so well for them over the years.
Very entertaining game. I loved how both offenses went with super-fast tempo at the goal line - neither defense was even set.
Ben Johnson, Clinic 2
That timeout won't matter
Look, Quay made a play!
Green Bay defense is stifling Gibbs tonight.
That was just stupid on your own 28 yrd line.
I know it's what Campbell does, but I hate going for it there from your own 30.
Quote from: MU82 on December 05, 2024, 09:36:51 PMI know it's what Campbell does, but I hate going for it there from your own 30.
50/50, imo. Probably would make the Packers drive the field. Play call was a bigger issue for me.
GOAT if it works, goat if it doesn't. Probably thought he needed the points as he doesn't trust his defense.
It's what he does. They are 11-1. It didn't work there. Two of their TDs came on fourth down. He's consistent and he's not gonna change. And he shouldn't.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 09:39:37 PMGOAT if it works, goat if it doesn't. Probably thought he needed the points as he doesn't trust his defense.
They just stopped GB the drive before. I don't know.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 05, 2024, 09:40:41 PMIt's what he does. They are 11-1. It didn't work there. Two of their TDs came on fourth down. He's consistent and he's not gonna change. And he shouldn't.
The TDs didn't come on fourth down from their own 30-yard line.
I'm a big fan of Campbell and I like that he often goes on 4th down, but he punts plenty from his own 30.
Montgomery got drilled on that play.
And going for it on 4th down from their own 30 was stupid. Going for it there requires you to still go at least another 40 yards to get any points out of it. Punt. Big difference as MU82 indicates from going for TDs on 4th down or 4th and 1 from midfield.
Gibbs got drilled on that play, not Montgomery. And the Packers are completely stifling Gibbs and St. Brown.
That Lions drive was way too easy.
Goff is so good
Green Bay injuries starting to accumulate. I am sympathetic.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 09:53:35 PMGoff is so good
Goff barely has to wipe his ass in this offense
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 09:54:01 PMGreen Bay injuries starting to accumulate. I am sympathetic.
Having to play Eric Stokes is a problem. He'll be available next year to anyone that wants him
Amazon choosing not mix in any crowd noise is so strange.
That was a heck of a throw.
Cannot miss that sack.
This one may simply come down to who has the ball last.
That should have been a personal foul.
Can't settle for a FG
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 10:06:26 PMCan't settle for a FG
That penalty hurt. Agreed, they need a TD.
Lions going to walk down the field and walk off on a FG.
Great job by Detroit's JV defense!
Quote from: forgetful on December 05, 2024, 10:07:17 PMThat penalty hurt. Agreed, they need a TD.
Pretty borderline call with the picks the lions run. Don't think Watson initiated
Quote from: forgetful on December 05, 2024, 10:07:17 PMThat penalty hurt. Agreed, they need a TD.
This is why they hired Hafley. Let's see what his defense can do 😕
Great teams make big plays when they have to. Detroit got to Love when they needed to.
Packers need to prove they are a great team too and get a stop.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 10:08:44 PMThis is why they hired Hafley. Let's see what his defense can do 😕
Confidence level?
30 yards in 2-plays. Excellent. Let them score quickly
Joe Barry is that you
Same plays beat this defense all the time. Just unbelievable
Seriously. Can't get a stop on that screen play. Sad.
What was MLF so upset about?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 10:14:33 PMSame plays beat this defense all the time. Just unbelievable
Can see it coming too.
Quote from: forgetful on December 05, 2024, 10:15:04 PMSeriously. Can't get a stop on that screen play. Sad.
They have to be the worst screen defense in football and it doesn't matter what type of screen.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 10:16:03 PMThey have to be the worst screen defense in football and it doesn't matter what type of screen.
And it was such a predictable play call too.
Quote from: forgetful on December 05, 2024, 10:17:04 PMAnd it was such a predictable play call too.
It's a classic blitz beater, same with that TD on 4th before half.
Goff is so good
OPI on Lions. Only one team though
Quote from: Apolitical Warrior on December 05, 2024, 10:20:39 PMOPI on Lions. Only one team though
I think what LaFleur was mad about on the previous play was also OPI, a pick play just like what nullified the TD.
I think the holding call was in some regards a makeup call for the missed OPI.
Shod have been a QB sneak. Great stop by the Packers.
Quote from: forgetful on December 05, 2024, 10:23:04 PMI think what LaFleur was mad about on the previous play was also OPI, a pick play just like what nullified the TD.
I think the holding call was in some regards a makeup call for the missed OPI.
Except it was an obvious hold. And didn't alter the entire game.
Also, that timeout would have been nice.
This defense is a teardown
Wow.
Dan Campbell does not care what we think.
Really can't believe that happened.
I hate this team so much
Very predictable. Love hurried in most plays, Goff with all the time in the world.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 10:25:56 PMDan Campbell does not care what we think.
That was a couple inches away from a possible fumble and return by GB.
I just want one legitimate defense per decade.
It worked, but that play call was monumentally stupid.
I fully admit that I wouldn't have gone there on fourth down. It was almost a disaster, but good for Dan Campbell.
The Lions are both a great team and fun to watch, a wonderful combination.
Quote from: forgetful on December 05, 2024, 10:26:30 PMThat was a couple inches away from a possible fumble and return by GB.
It's going to bite him in the ass in the playoffs. And I say this as someone who didn't care who won this game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2024, 10:30:54 PMIt's going to bite him in the ass in the playoffs. And I say this as someone who didn't care who won this game.
Or the kneecaps.
Campbell shows Haffley and GB's D how much respect he has for them. It ain't much.
I think Campbell believed if he gave the Packers a chance, his defense could not stop Love.
New tonight, McNeill out, Branch out.
So he bet on his offense and ran behind Sewell.
Quote from: Apolitical Warrior on December 05, 2024, 10:25:27 PMThis defense is a teardown
Is it the coaching or the players? I agree with you. A defense of backups and street FAs was better than a team of high draft picks.
Dan Campbell plays to win. The Packers play not to lose and are soft as charmin. It may bite him in the ass but I'll take my chances playing to win instead of playing not to lose with a soft ass team
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 10:32:05 PMI think Campbell believed if he gave the Packers a chance, his defense could not stop Love.
New tonight, McNeill out, Branch out.
So he bet on his offense and ran behind Sewell.
With 43 secs left? And no time-outs? I also think going for it on 4th and 2 from your own 28 wasn't a good decision to put it mildly.
GB is not soft.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 10:33:14 PMDan Campbell plays to win. The Packers play not to lose and are soft as charmin. It may bite him in the ass but I'll take my chances playing to win instead of playing not to lose with a soft ass team
Not worried about the Packers - their secondary was missing a ton of players by the 2nd half. The offense can play with anyone.
Dan Campbell will NOT win a superbowl.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2024, 10:36:28 PMWith 43 secs left? And no time-outs? I also think going for it on 4th and 2 from your own 28 wasn't a good decision to put it mildly.
As I posted a moment ago, Dan Campbell does not care what we think.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 05, 2024, 10:37:35 PMNot worried about the Packers - their secondary was missing a ton of players by the 2nd half. The offense can play with anyone.
Dan Campbell will NOT win a superbowl.
No other Detroit coach has, either.
Refs were awful. Holding below was on Detroits last TD.
https://x.com/tonycmke/status/1864886420705366167?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
https://x.com/wiscogrant/status/1864881197152608387?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 10:33:14 PMDan Campbell plays to win. The Packers play not to lose and are soft as charmin. It may bite him in the ass but I'll take my chances playing to win instead of playing not to lose with a soft ass team
Are you not be playing to win by punting on your own 28 up 3 on the 3Q? Or taking a field goal with a tie game and 43 secs left?
Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2024, 10:32:37 PMIs it the coaching or the players? I agree with you. A defense of backups and street FAs was better than a team of high draft picks.
It's the players. They have no pass rush despite the draft capital, their linebacker are eaten alive in space or can't get adequate depth, and they didn't invest in CB despite their #1 playing half the games.
Safety is good though - didn't get beat over the top once! ::)
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 10:37:50 PMAs I posted a moment ago, Dan Campbell does not care what we think.
That's fine and I respect that. But there are still good decisions and bad decisions.
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 10:32:05 PMI think Campbell believed if he gave the Packers a chance, his defense could not stop Love.
New tonight, McNeill out, Branch out.
So he bet on his offense and ran behind Sewell.
But even then, the Packers weren't going to get a TD. So at best it gets tied back up.
If the logic is, they can't stop them, if they don't get the first down, they lose the game in regulation.
So the only possible way to lose the game in regulation was to go for it.
But the Packers D sucks, so maybe he thought it was a 90+% chance they get the first down.
There will be a price for Campbell's always go for it mode. It cost them in last year's NFC Championship and will bite them again. A better defense and it would have cost them tonight.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2024, 10:39:05 PMAre you not be playing to win by punting on your own 28 up 3 on the 3Q? Or taking a field goal with a tie game and 43 secs left?
Not if you look at the 13 defensive players on IR, the 4 more who did not dress tonight, and McNeill and Branch out. He did trust his defense. He trusted his offense.
Campbell has MLF's number and he knows it.
LeFleur is a good coach, but the Packers have seen his ceiling, IMO, and it's not a SB winning coach. He's made two bad ST hires and the jury is very much out on Hafley.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 05, 2024, 10:37:35 PMNot worried about the Packers - their secondary was missing a ton of players by the 2nd half. The offense can play with anyone.
Dan Campbell will NOT win a superbowl.
Matt LaFleur ain't winning a Super Bowl either with that soft ass defense
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 10:36:45 PMGB is not soft.
Completely disagree. The o-line got mauled by a defense made up of dentists and crack dealers. QB's play saved their bacon and even then, 2 of their TD drives started inside the 30.
And that defense had ZERO chance to stop the Lions at the end of the game. Same with the Bears game. Difference between Chicago and Detroit was the coaching.
Goff will be a near unanimous MVP if they beat the Bills.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2024, 10:41:42 PMThat's fine and I respect that. But there are still good decisions and bad decisions.
I can see both sides of the argument. I'd have punted but given the Packers defense, I'd be tempted to always go for it against them
Packers should be losing patience fast with Watson and his bonehead plays. Two huge mistakes tonight. Not getting in the end zone after his OPI, I knew they were going down unless they could get a turnover.
Real-time I thought that was an egregious hold on the last TD. I kept waiting for the flag.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 05, 2024, 10:47:37 PMCompletely disagree. The o-line got mauled by a defense made up of dentists and crack dealers. QB's play saved their bacon and even then, 2 of their TD drives started inside the 30.
And that defense had ZERO chance to stop the Lions at the end of the game. Same with the Bears game. Difference between Chicago and Detroit was the coaching.
Their pass rush was non existent tonight. But holding Gibbs and Montgomery to 3.2 ypc on 29 attempts is hardly a soft defense.
Lack of any semblance of pass rush and down several key players in the secondary is why the defense struggled badly tonight.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 05, 2024, 11:06:08 PMTheir pass rush was non existent tonight. But holding Gibbs and Montgomery to 3.2 ypc on 29 attempts is hardly a soft defense.
Lack of any semblance of pass rush and down several key players in the secondary is why the defense struggled badly tonight.
There was ZERO chance they'd stop the Lions on that drive. Z-E-R-O. They're soft
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 05, 2024, 10:56:15 PMPackers should be losing patience fast with Watson and his bonehead plays. Two huge mistakes tonight. Not getting in the end zone after his OPI, I knew they were going down unless they could get a turnover.
Refs repeatedly decided that it wasnt OPI all game by how they called the Lions route tree - including on the final drive.
The fumble is inexcusable, but he's still a huge geometry changer. Meanwhile, I have no idea how any gameplan completely ignores Jayden Reed in any form
Tough loss for Packers. I believe the Packers will have a strong chance to win a third game against the Lions if their playoff paths cross
Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2024, 10:37:50 PMAs I posted a moment ago, Dan Campbell does not care what we think.
I'm sure he doesn't. That doesn't make what he did smart. Twice he made bad decisions on 4th and one. One time he gave GB seven points. Had he not converted the second time with Goff falling, GB has 43 seconds to get the win. I have no problem saying Detroit is better than GB, but Campbell's eagerness to show machismo may end up biting him against a team better than GB. Just like McCarthy was not great at clock management, Campbell's decision making is questionable.
Quote from: Apolitical Warrior on December 05, 2024, 11:23:35 PMRefs repeatedly decided that it wasnt OPI all game by how they called the Lions route tree - including on the final drive.
The fumble is inexcusable, but he's still a huge geometry changer. Meanwhile, I have no idea how any gameplan completely ignores Jayden Reed in any form
Regardless how the refs called it/ not called it on Detroit's side, that was without question OPI on Watson.
Yeah, he makes some plays and his athletic ability is off the charts, but he's completely unreliable at this point and costs them points. Could easily argue by himself, he cost them 10 pts tonight. The dropped TD against SF was even worse than what he screwed up tonight.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 05, 2024, 11:40:57 PMI'm sure he doesn't. That doesn't make what he did smart. Twice he made bad decisions on 4th and one. One time he gave GB seven points. Had he not converted the second time with Goff falling, GB has 43 seconds to get the win. I have no problem saying Detroit is better than GB, but Campbell's eagerness to show machismo may end up biting him against a team better than GB. Just like McCarthy was not great at clock management, Campbell's decision making is questionable.
His decision making is reckless and arrogant and it will cost them, just a matter of when.
Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2024, 10:54:16 PMGoff will be a near unanimous MVP if they beat the Bills.
I'm not sure why you're dying on this hill. But he won't. He's +1000. Allen is -210. It's Allen or Barkley.
Not to take anything away from Goff. He's had an amazing season and has a great chance to win a Super Bowl. And he'll finish top 5 in voting.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 05, 2024, 11:44:54 PMHis decision making is reckless and arrogant and it will cost them, just a matter of when.
Or it wont. Some of the decisions are questionable, but his team loves it and it's worked WAY more often than not for the last two years.
Goff had 32 completions last night. 6 receivers had 5 or more catches.
The GB defense was very good at shutting down the run and taking away the deep stuff.
There is every possibility these teams meet again.
#dangamble
Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2024, 10:54:16 PMGoff will be a near unanimous MVP if they beat the Bills.
LOL NO. Like not even close.
Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 06:07:55 AMGoff had 32 completions last night. 6 receivers had 5 or more catches.
The GB defense was very good at shutting down the run and taking away the deep stuff.
There is every possibility these teams meet again.
#dangamble
Sure, they'll meet again, at the NFC North off-season potluck
Green Bay is very good. Their 4 losses are to Minnesota, Philadelphia, and twice to Detroit, by a combined 20 points. They can go to toe with anybody. They are a frightening get healthy, get in, get hot type of playoff opponent.
Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 07:49:08 AMGreen Bay is very good. Their 4 losses are to Minnesota, Philadelphia, and twice to Detroit, by a combined 20 points. They can go to toe with anybody. They are a frightening get healthy, get in, get hot type of playoff opponent.
When Love is on his game, they're dangerous. Jacobs is a great and underrated RB. I never trust their defense to get a stop during crunch time though. And Alexander is perpetually injured, exacerbating the problem.
Pack's secondary sucks ass, hey?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2024, 07:53:12 AMWhen Love is on his game, they're dangerous. Jacobs is a great and underrated RB. I never trust their defense to get a stop during crunch time though. And Alexander is perpetually injured, exacerbating the problem.
GB defense got 5 huge 3rd down stops last night.
And Campbell didn't trust his defense to get stops, either, particularly at the end. Hence, the aggressive play calling.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 06, 2024, 07:55:37 AMPack's secondary sucks ass, hey?
They lost Bullard and Williams during the game and Jaire is always injured. When you are relying too much on Eric Stokes, that's a problem.
Anyway I would say that the Packers defense is not soft - against the run. They held up really well. The problem in the passing game is not only the above injuries, but NONE of their LBs can do anything in the passing game. They can't blitz, they can't guard a TE or RB...nothing. And they aren't getting pressure from their front four. So they play these soft zones to guard against the big play, but good quarterbacks can eat that up.
Offensively they made huge adjustments. That pass to Watson over the top came at the perfect time and got Detroit off the line of scrimmage. Yeah the OL was crap at the beginning, but teams don't usually blitz GB that extensively. And once they made them pay, the offense was humming along just fine.
And of course MLF can win a Super Bowl. But he needs more play makers on the defensive side of the ball. That's been the case since he's been here and why I never thought moving on from Barry was going to solve all of their problems.
Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 08:02:02 AMGB defense got 5 huge 3rd down stops last night.
And Campbell didn't trust his defense to get stops, either, particularly at the end. Hence, the aggressive play calling.
16 defensive players for the Lions were out injured, which included McNeil being ruled out for the second half. All of the players said Campbell said they were going to be aggressive on offense going into the game and he didn't deviate. That's why his players would run through a brick wall for him.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 06, 2024, 08:13:13 AM16 defensive players for the Lions were out injured, which included McNeil being ruled out for the second half. All of the players said Campbell said they were going to be aggressive on offense going into the game and he didn't deviate. That's why his players would run through a brick wall for him.
Bingo. Fans of other teams don't like his decision making because he coaches to win while LaFleur punts and kicks fgs and stupidly relies on his defense.
Lions might lose because he goes for it while the Packers will lose because they don't. That's a soft ass mentality.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 06, 2024, 08:13:13 AM16 defensive players for the Lions were out injured, which included McNeil being ruled out for the second half. All of the players said Campbell said they were going to be aggressive on offense going into the game and he didn't deviate. That's why his players would run through a brick wall for him.
Si.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2024, 08:16:29 AMBingo. Fans of other teams don't like his decision making because he coaches to win while LaFleur punts and kicks fgs and stupidly relies on his defense.
Lions might lose because he goes for it while the Packers will lose because they don't. That's a soft ass mentality.
I feel him going for it there was more for the culture than strategy. Even watching the Receiver show, I think he's trying to move away from the lowly Lions mindset and show that they will be the ones inflicting their will.
Plus, even if they don't get that, the game most likely goes to OT.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2024, 08:16:29 AMBingo. Fans of other teams don't like his decision making because he coaches to win while LaFleur punts and kicks fgs and stupidly relies on his defense.
Lions might lose because he goes for it while the Packers will lose because they don't. That's a soft ass mentality.
When should they have gone for it? They punted twice in the first half when the ball was at about midfield and they were facing 4th and 5ish. They pinned Detroit back around the ten both times - Detroit did nothing with either possession. They had a turnover on their third possession and a TD on their fourth. They had five possessions in the second half. Three ended in touchdowns. One punt was on 4th and 3 from their own 37. Their FG was on 4th and goal from the 13.
None of this was "soft ass mentality." Strategy-wise, there wasn't a single thing yesterday that I thought MLF should have done differently.
The problem is their defense continues to stink. They just don't have the horses.
The defense stymied the Detroit running game, took away the deep ball, got an interception and made 5 huge 3rd down stops. Rushing 4, dropping 7 into zone is what Detroit wants. That is where Goff thrives.
Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 08:02:02 AMGB defense got 5 huge 3rd down stops last night.
And Campbell didn't trust his defense to get stops, either, particularly at the end. Hence, the aggressive play calling.
Yeah, but the Lions were 7/15 on 3rd down and 4/5 on 4th. They clearly won those downs. Conversely, the Packers were just 1/5 on 3rd down.
Campbell plays that way regardless.
Detroit ran 76 plays, GB ran 45. Also part of the mindset and equation.
Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 08:47:09 AMDetroit ran 76 plays, GB ran 45. Also part of the mindset and equation.
LaFleur's play calling is way too predictable.
Plus, they need to stick to the run more.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 06, 2024, 08:13:13 AM16 defensive players for the Lions were out injured, which included McNeil being ruled out for the second half. All of the players said Campbell said they were going to be aggressive on offense going into the game and he didn't deviate. That's why his players would run through a brick wall for him.
The structure of the Lions coaching staff seems like the platonic ideal for a successful NFL staff. This is their third season as a unit, the offensive and defensive coordinators absolutely kill it on scheme and technique, and the head coach inspires and instills the global team mentality. These things can't last and the coordinators will get chances at big chairs, but its clicking rn.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:03:25 AMLaFleur's play calling is way too predictable.
Plus, they need to stick to the run more.
GB had one drive where they ran straight at Detroit and could not be stopped.
LaFleur's play calling put up 31 on the road.
Play of the game was when Ezekiel Turner (who?) fought off Love's stiff arm and brought him down. There was a lot of empty green behind him. And the GB receiver was just coming open.
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 06, 2024, 09:05:49 AMThe structure of the Lions coaching staff seems like the platonic ideal for a successful NFL staff. This is their third season as a unit, the offensive and defensive coordinators absolutely kill it on scheme and technique, and the head coach inspires and instills the global team mentality. These things can't last and the coordinators will get chances at big chairs, but its clicking rn.
A season ago, Lion's fans were calling for Glenn to be fired and then were begging for some dumb team to hire him away.
Yeah....
Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 09:09:44 AMGB had one drive where they ran straight at Detroit and could not be stopped.
LaFleur's play calling put up 31 on the road.
Play of the game was when Ezekiel Turner (who?) fought off Love's stiff arm and brought him down. There was a lot of empty green behind him. And the GB receiver was just coming open.
While this is true, running the ball wears down the defense, puts the opposing offense out of rhythm, and controls the clock. When Detroit had the ball with 8 min to go, I had no doubt they'd score and leave GB not enough time to score in return.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 08:30:31 AMWhen should they have gone for it? They punted twice in the first half when the ball was at about midfield and they were facing 4th and 5ish. They pinned Detroit back around the ten both times - Detroit did nothing with either possession. They had a turnover on their third possession and a TD on their fourth. They had five possessions in the second half. Three ended in touchdowns. One punt was on 4th and 3 from their own 37. Their FG was on 4th and goal from the 13.
None of this was "soft ass mentality." Strategy-wise, there wasn't a single thing yesterday that I thought MLF should have done differently.
The problem is their defense continues to stink. They just don't have the horses.
Soft ass team, period. When they kicked that FG to tie it at 31, games was over.
Why? Because they're a soft ass team with a soft ass coach
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2024, 09:13:45 AMSoft ass team, period. When they kicked that FG to tie it at 31, games was over.
Why? Because they're a soft ass team with a soft ass coach
Rico, you wanted them to go for it on 4th and goal from the 15? Even Campbell would not do that.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:03:25 AMLaFleur's play calling is way too predictable.
OK, look I know people are frustrated but could we maybe calm down a little? MLF is an excellent offensive coach. They are top ten in rushing, passing and scoring. The Lions, Ravens and Commanders are the only other teams (I think) who can say that.
Part of the reason they ran so few plays is because their second half drives were
5 plays...touchdown
3 plays...touchdown
3 plays...punt
4 plays...touchdown
9 plays...FG
Do you want them to score less quickly or something?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:03:25 AMPlus, they need to stick to the run more.
They ran the ball 24 times and dropped back to pass 21.
Yes, I would argue they should have run the ball more to start the game. But I don't know what we are criticizing here.
The defense? Go right ahead. But an offense that scored 31 points - 24 in the second half - against the best team in the NFC? Cmon...
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:03:25 AMLaFleur's play calling is way too predictable.
Plus, they need to stick to the run more.
IMO not having an impactful #2 RB is hurting GB. GB ran 45 plays and the RB snap count to touches numbers were:
Jacobs: 40/18
Chris Brooks: 14/1
Emanuel Wilson: 3/1
They mask that best when they run creative sets to get Jayden Reed touches, but he had 1 target and 0 touches yesterday. Combined with Jacobs not being a natural receiver out of the backfield (no RB had a pass target yesterday), their personnel is tipping their hand.
Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 09:16:12 AMRico, you wanted them to go for it on 4th and goal from the 15? Even Campbell would not do that.
Yes. The FG was a white flag. Game was over. The chances of the Packers stopping them was ZERO. What GB should have done if they were going to kick the FG was let Detroit score on the first play from scrimmage to give themselves a chance. Instead, you have Keisan Nixon running around looking for a flag during a live play because he's a soft ass player on a soft ass team
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2024, 09:13:45 AMSoft ass team, period. When they kicked that FG to tie it at 31, games was over.
Why? Because they're a soft ass team with a soft ass coach
I don't know if you are trolling here, but even Dan Campbell aint going for a TD on 4th and goal from the 13 when a team is down a FG late.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 09:20:15 AMI don't know if you are trolling here, but even Dan Campbell aint going for a TD on 4th and goal from the 13 when a team is down a FG late.
He wouldn't have to worry about that against the Packers because they'd give up the TD, anyway
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 06, 2024, 09:17:58 AMIMO not having an impactful #2 RB is hurting GB. GB ran 45 plays and the RB snap count to touches numbers were:
Jacobs: 40/18
Chris Brooks: 14/1
Emanuel Wilson: 3/1
They mask that best when they run creative sets to get Jayden Reed touches, but he had 1 target and 0 touches yesterday. Combined with Jacobs not being a natural receiver out of the backfield (no RB had a pass target yesterday), their personnel is tipping their hand.
I did say to my wife yesterday that Reed needs to get more touches. (She nodded and went back to her book.)
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 09:22:02 AMI did say to my wife yesterday that Reed needs to get more touches. (She nodded and went back to her book.)
Lol. And I agree with you that GB's offense didn't leave a ton to criticize yesterday. I just think that their backfield personnel is limiting and they would really benefit from an effective, prototypical third down back in both blitz pickup and checkdowns.
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 06, 2024, 09:26:36 AMLol. And I agree with you that GB's offense didn't leave a ton to criticize yesterday. I just think that their backfield personnel is limiting and they would really benefit from an effective, prototypical third down back in both blitz pickup and checkdowns.
They need an aircraft carrier
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 06, 2024, 09:26:36 AMLol. And I agree with you that GB's offense didn't leave a ton to criticize yesterday. I just think that their backfield personnel is limiting and they would really benefit from an effective, prototypical third down back in both blitz pickup and checkdowns.
No argument here. I think they envisioned Marshawn Lloyd growing into that role.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 09:17:39 AMOK, look I know people are frustrated but could we maybe calm down a little? MLF is an excellent offensive coach. They are top ten in rushing, passing and scoring. The Lions, Ravens and Commanders are the only other teams (I think) who can say that.
Part of the reason they ran so few plays is because their second half drives were
5 plays...touchdown
3 plays...touchdown
3 plays...punt
4 plays...touchdown
9 plays...FG
Do you want them to score less quickly or something?
They ran the ball 24 times and dropped back to pass 21.
Yes, I would argue they should have run the ball more to start the game. But I don't know what we are criticizing here.
The defense? Go right ahead. But an offense that scored 31 points - 24 in the second half - against the best team in the NFC? Cmon...
I'm saying that his offense is too predictable. Because it is. They had a great second half against a team that was missing a ton of starters.
And yes, ball control and time management is essential to winning football games.
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 06, 2024, 09:17:58 AMIMO not having an impactful #2 RB is hurting GB. GB ran 45 plays and the RB snap count to touches numbers were:
Jacobs: 40/18
Chris Brooks: 14/1
Emanuel Wilson: 3/1
They mask that best when they run creative sets to get Jayden Reed touches, but he had 1 target and 0 touches yesterday. Combined with Jacobs not being a natural receiver out of the backfield (no RB had a pass target yesterday), their personnel is tipping their hand.
I think Wilson and Brooks are fine. They're just also not given much run.
Also, as an example of predictability, when Bo Melton is in, it's almost guaranteed to be a run. He is as good of a run blocker that GB has ever seen... and yes, I am including the many greats of the past.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:35:07 AMI'm saying that his offense is too predictable. Because it is. They had a great second half against a team that was missing a ton of starters.
And yes, ball control and time management is essential to winning football games.
It's so predictable...yet is one of the top offenses in the NFL.
And we should run the ball more because our passing was too successful.
This loss was entirely on the defense. The offense was absolutely fine. And has been so for many weeks now.
Christian Watson = Chris Grimm with the moving screen.
Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 07:49:08 AMGreen Bay is very good. Their 4 losses are to Minnesota, Philadelphia, and twice to Detroit, by a combined 20 points. They can go to toe with anybody. They are a frightening get healthy, get in, get hot type of playoff opponent.
They have 1 win against a team that would be in the Playoffs if the season ended today. They aren't going on the road and beating a Playoff team.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 09:40:29 AMIt's so predictable...yet is one of the top offenses in the NFL.
And we should run the ball more because our passing was too successful.
This loss was entirely on the defense. The offense was absolutely fine. And has been so for many weeks now.
Look man, I'm not the only one saying this. Yes, the defense needs to be better, obviously, it does. But ignoring that there are tangible issues with the offense is silly. Last night wasn't the first time that the Packers got bailed out a couple of times by penalties while on offense...
And I mentioned earlier. Time of Possession is very important. A bad defense can't be on the field for 13 more minutes than the offense and expect to perform.
Two of the Packers offensive scores came from a turnover on downs on the 30, and an INT where they started on the 16. Two scores really quick is great but the ball control the rest of the game left a lot to be desired.
Silverstein nails it- https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2024/12/06/the-last-thing-packers-should-want-is-another-shot-at-the-lions/76799490007/?tbref=hp
Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2024, 09:58:44 AMThey have 1 win against a team that would be in the Playoffs if the season ended today. They aren't going on the road and beating a Playoff team.
If the season ended right now, they would be going to Seattle. We will see how that goes next Sunday night, but I have no doubts they can beat the Seahawks.
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Campbell wiped the floor with LaFleur last night. MuFan12 is right. Campbell owns LaFleur
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:59:04 AMLook man, I'm not the only one saying this. Yes, the defense needs to be better, obviously, it does. But ignoring that there are tangible issues with the offense is silly. Last night wasn't the first time that the Packers got bailed out a couple of times by penalties while on offense...
And I mentioned earlier. Time of Possession is very important. A bad defense can't be on the field for 13 more minutes than the offense and expect to perform.
Two of the Packers offensive scores came from a turnover on downs on the 30, and an INT where they started on the 16. Two scores really quick is great but the ball control the rest of the game left a lot to be desired.
Green Bay's offense literally never had the lead when they had the ball. Suggesting that they were scoring too quickly when playing from behind, makes zero sense to me. (Also, not bad for being "predicable.")
If they were ahead and trying to kill off the clock.? Absolutely.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 11:09:22 AMGreen Bay's offense literally never had the lead when they had the ball. Suggesting that they were scoring too quickly when playing from behind, makes zero sense to me. (Also, not bad for being "predicable.")
If they were ahead and trying to kill off the clock.? Absolutely.
Bold part is important. Keeping your defense off the field is important.
Are you're suggesting that teams only want to control the ball while they're ahead?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 11:18:27 AMBold part is important. Keeping your defense off the field is important.
Are you're suggesting that teams only want to control the ball while they're ahead?
I'm suggesting that the top priority when you are behind is to score. And Detroit was loading the box, and taking their chances with Love beating them. And he almost did.
Criticizing an offense when they scored 24 points in the second half is misguided. The blame is on the defense.
The Packers scored quickly because the field was short. You don't just take a knee to keep the clock running.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2024, 11:25:58 AMThe Packers scored quickly because the field was short. You don't just take a knee to keep the clock running.
Correct. On two of their TD drives they had a short field. On the other, they completed a 60 yard pass to Watson because the Detroit defense was basically daring them to throw it.
The FG drive was 9 plays, four of which were runs.
You could critize the three and out that resulted in a punt, but Detroit did nothing with the ball after the punt anyway.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 11:25:38 AMI'm suggesting that the top priority when you are behind is to score. And Detroit was loading the box, and taking their chances with Love beating them. And he almost did.
Criticizing an offense when they scored 24 points in the second half is misguided. The blame is on the defense.
Well, yes, scoring is important. But leaving the opponent a bunch of time to retaliate is generally bad... which is why Detroit took its time marching down the field and ending the game without allowing Green Bay to have a chance.
If the offense was having its way with Detroit, then shaving time off the clock is important to give your defense a rest and disallowing Detroit time to do whatever it wants (which it was doing).
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 11:39:16 AMWell, yes, scoring is important. But leaving the opponent a bunch of time to retaliate is generally bad... which is why Detroit took its time marching down the field and ending the game without allowing Green Bay to have a chance.
If the offense was having its way with Detroit, then shaving time off the clock is important to give your defense a rest and disallowing Detroit time to do whatever it wants (which it was doing).
The Packers got the ball with 8:40 to play in the game. There was no way the Packers were going to be able to run the entire 8:40 out, especially with a 2 minute warning and 3 Detroit timeouts available. If anything, their 5:01 drive was too long.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2024, 12:50:22 PMThe Packers got the ball with 8:40 to play in the game. There was no way the Packers were going to be able to run the entire 8:40 out, especially with a 2 minute warning and 3 Detroit timeouts available. If anything, their 5:01 drive was too long.
Yes and the problem was the drive ended in a FG. They had to have a TD there to force Detroit to do the same. Everyone knew Detroit would for sure get a FG, even though Campbell almost stupidly screwed that up even.
This talk about leaving too much time is asinine. Score a TD and you give yourself a much better chance to win. They were right on the doorstep of that until Watson's penalty. Maybe the defense could have at least prevented a TD then. The game is about TD's, not FG's.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2024, 01:31:16 PMYes and the problem was the drive ended in a FG. They had to have a TD there to force Detroit to do the same. Everyone knew Detroit would for sure get a FG, even though Campbell almost stupidly screwed that up even.
This talk about leaving too much time is asinine. Score a TD and you give yourself a much better chance to win. They were right on the doorstep of that until Watson's penalty. Maybe the defense could have at least prevented a TD then. The game is about TD's, not FG's.
Funny that you chose not to criticize Reed who was 100% invisible.
Quote from: Jockey on December 06, 2024, 01:43:34 PMFunny that you chose not to criticize Reed who was 100% invisible.
Well, Reed didn't commit any obvious OPI. Watson did. I have no idea what's funny to you.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2024, 01:31:16 PMYes and the problem was the drive ended in a FG. They had to have a TD there to force Detroit to do the same. Everyone knew Detroit would for sure get a FG, even though Campbell almost stupidly screwed that up even.
This talk about leaving too much time is asinine. Score a TD and you give yourself a much better chance to win. They were right on the doorstep of that until Watson's penalty. Maybe the defense could have at least prevented a TD then. The game is about TD's, not FG's.
Great advice. Score TDs.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2024, 01:47:05 PMWell, Reed didn't commit any obvious OPI. Watson did. I have no idea what's funny to you.
Kinda think he was supposed to clutter up the area, but the defender ran flat into him and fell down. Watson even tried to make it look less obvious right before the collision.
Much more annoyed by the fumble than by that.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 01:49:11 PMGreat advice. Score TDs.
Well apparently the obvious is lost on you
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2024, 01:59:23 PMWell apparently the obvious is lost on you
That's why you're here
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2024, 01:47:05 PMWell, Reed didn't commit any obvious OPI. Watson did. I have no idea what's funny to you.
Name 1 play Reed made in the game. You hate Watson so much that you will defend a guy who didn't even show up.
I'll take the guy giving an effort every time. You can have the guy who made zero plays.
Quote from: Jockey on December 06, 2024, 02:10:48 PMName 1 play Reed made in the game. You hate Watson so much that you will defend a guy who didn't even show up.
I'll take the guy giving an effort every time. You can have the guy who made zero plays.
I "hate" Watson? If we're critical of someone, we hate them? He is unreliable and inconsistent. What we've all seen doesn't lie.
I don't know what happened with Reed last night. Maybe game plan, amount of attention Detroit secondary gave him, Love not getting him the ball, all of the above? Calling out last night as an example he doesn't work hard, doesn't care, whatever is really an overreaction. though. The guy's been very productive and reliable for two seasons. He's been out there every game. It was one game he didn't produce for reasons no one other than he and the coaches know.
Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 09:57:42 AMChristian Watson = Chris Grimm with the moving screen.
The call on Watson was what LaFleur was so mad about.
Not because they called that one, but because just before it St. Brown did the same thing, and was not called, and then on a crucial 2nd and 10, the Detroit TE had an equally egregious OPI, which had it been called it would have been 2nd and 20 from the 50.
49's/ Rams - as a Packer fan, who do I want to win tonight?
Quote from: MU1in77 on December 12, 2024, 07:44:54 PM49's/ Rams - as a Packer fan, who do I want to win tonight?
Rams. LaFleur can't beat San Francisco when it matters
Niners.
Then, after the Seahawks beat the Packers on Sunday night, Seattle will have a 2-game lead on the division with 3 to play.
Never mind.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/12/13/packers-having-season-unlike-any-other-in-almost-100-years-of-nfl-history/
OK, Pack, show up in Seattle.
Not playing soft in quarter one
They appear to have used their 10 days productively.
That was a pretty nice pitch and catch between Love and Watson.
Eberflus clock management.
Quote from: Jockey on December 15, 2024, 08:31:03 PMEberflus clock management.
That was pretty embarrassing clock management. Yikes. Good half though.
Solid first half .
Love 20-26-229-2TDs
No picks in last 4 games. QB1 not a problem in GB
Edgerrin Cooper is already their best linebacker.
Did what they had to do tonight, but from that last drive of the first half until Doubs iced it... big ol' yeeesh. Not the head coach's finest quarter and a half.
Was at the game. Wished second half was more decisive to not have to listen to hometown yahoos cheering wildly.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 15, 2024, 11:51:42 PMWas at the game. Wished second half was more decisive to not have to listen to hometown yahoos cheering wildly.
Sounds like Keefe was in the building then.
GB-Viking game moved to the later time slot.
Quote from: tower912 on December 23, 2024, 05:39:44 PMGB-Viking game moved to the later time slot.
Great, being out of state, move from regional to national is ideal.
Jaire has now missed 18 of the last 32 games. Thought for sure he'd be able to go against this stiff competition.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 23, 2024, 07:30:19 PMJaire has now missed 18 of the last 32 games. Thought for sure he'd be able to go against this stiff competition.
Do you think he's faking it or something?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 23, 2024, 07:30:19 PMJaire has now missed 18 of the last 32 games. Thought for sure he'd be able to go against this stiff competition.
I sympathize with Green Bay fans frustrated by injuries.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 23, 2024, 07:34:22 PMDo you think he's faking it or something?
No, but he's not reliable at this point and the organization needs to move on
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 23, 2024, 08:00:01 PMNo, but he's not reliable at this point and the organization needs to move on
Oh I agree with that.
Bring on the walk-one.
Saints might suck
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 23, 2024, 08:33:04 PMSaints might suck
The coach isn't winning any awards tonight.
Anders could've made that left-footed.
Spencer Rattler makes Caleb Williams look competent
Saints defense is legit, but I don't remember the last time I saw an offense this painful to watch.
I'm not sure this Saints team would have made the 12 team NCAA playoffs
Go, Packers. Beat the Vikings.
Packer fans, who do you want to face in the first round of the playoffs?
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2024, 09:34:52 AMPacker fans, who do you want to face in the first round of the playoffs?
The NFC South champions. But my guess is that it'll be the Rams. And a healthy Rams team would be formidable, but they don't have a great home field advantage.
Sultan, for the sake of argument, GB wins their first playoff game. What is the biggest mountain to climb in the second round? At Minnesota, at Philadelphia, or at Detroit?
All would be tough games.
Got to feel playing a division opponent closer to home indoors would be preferable.
I am leery of January football in Philly. The fans, the weather, and Saquon.
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2024, 09:42:01 AMSultan, for the sake of argument, GB wins their first playoff game. What is the biggest mountain to climb in the second round? At Minnesota, at Philadelphia, or at Detroit?
I would rather play Philly, Detroit and Minnesota in that order.
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2024, 05:54:59 AMGo, Packers. Beat the Vikings.
Selling your soul out of fear. Gross
And?
Pride takes a backseat to winning playoff games.
I have said all along that Minnesota and Darnold are legit. I would rather the Lions play them in Detroit in the playoffs. I would rather not worry about it beyond Sunday. Guilty.
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2024, 10:14:51 AMAnd?
Nothing was left opening ended. The gross would be the "and".
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 24, 2024, 01:49:14 PMNothing was left opening ended. The gross would be the "and".
Nothing has ever been left opening ended. And?
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2024, 02:03:38 PMNothing has ever been left opening ended. And?
Apparently your ability comprehend keeps things open ended, so there's that.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 24, 2024, 02:11:14 PMApparently your ability comprehend keeps things open ended, so there's that.
Grammar helps.
Minnesota is really good. Darnold is really good. Few things would please me more than GB doing the dirty work for Detroit. Or should I believe that you won't be pulling for SF on Monday night?
If the Packers were to win the Wild Card round, I'd like to see the Vikings, Lions, Eagles most to least.
What does Green Bay have to do this week? Having Love with two healthy legs is a good start. Don't fall behind and abandon the running game. Alexander able to play would certainly help.
Quote from: tower912 on December 26, 2024, 06:08:37 PMWhat does Green Bay have to do this week? Having Love with two healthy legs is a good start. Don't fall behind and abandon the running game. Alexander able to play would certainly help.
Alexander won't play
Yeah, I know. Have to say it anyway.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 26, 2024, 06:19:04 PMAlexander won't play
Jaire Alexander has listed injury as his knee.
Has been out a number of games.
Watching weekly injury report he appears to practice early in the week, but when it comes to game time he is out.
Perhaps he doesn't trust it in games yet.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 28, 2024, 06:56:35 AMJaire Alexander has listed injury as his knee.
Has been out a number of games.
Watching weekly injury report he appears to practice early in the week, but when it comes to game time he is out.
I'm pretty sure he had a torn PCL. I've had that injury, doesn't require surgery, but it takes a while to trust it in anything that requires cutting/explosiveness.
Not surprising he is able to practice but not play.
Quote from: forgetful on December 28, 2024, 10:47:15 AMI'm pretty sure he had a torn PCL. I've had that injury, doesn't require surgery, but it takes a while to trust it in anything that requires cutting/explosiveness.
Not surprising he is able to practice but not play.
Yeah and there's not much reason for him to play until week 18. I know they can still pass the Vikings but beyond that, why risk it? Try to get some snaps in at home next week and go in the playoffs.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 28, 2024, 03:34:57 PMYeah and there's not much reason for him to play until week 18. I know they can still pass the Vikings but beyond that, why risk it? Try to get some snaps in at home next week and go in the playoffs.
Because if we lose today and Washington goes 2-0, they pass us and we get to play at Philly in round 1.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 29, 2024, 12:45:45 PMBecause if we lose today and Washington goes 2-0, they pass us and we get to play at Philly in round 1.
You're right. I was looking at SOV, not conference record.
Can't do that
Anders makes that with his eyes closed.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 29, 2024, 03:49:46 PMAnders makes that with his eyes closed.
Dodging some early bullets. Wonder what they're running coverage wise to confuse Darnold. Be nice if the color guy told us
I guess take the points. Don't think FGs will cut it
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2024, 03:59:20 PMI guess take the points. Don't think FGs will cut it
There's nothing more vintage big game Packers than FGs inside the 5 yard line.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 29, 2024, 04:00:42 PMThere's nothing more vintage big game Packers than FGs inside the 5 yard line.
Yeah, FGs won't do it when you can't organically rush the QB
Big-time play by Reed.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2024, 04:25:15 PMBig-time play by Reed.
Thought he'd maybe turn into an alpha this year but hasn't. Neither has anyone else really though.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 29, 2024, 04:29:10 PMThought he'd maybe turn into an alpha this year but hasn't. Neither has anyone else really though.
Thought he would, too. A lot of 2's and 3's on the roster at WR
Pretty close to worse case scenario possession there. Vikings have a chance to put it away in the first possession of the second half.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 29, 2024, 04:40:35 PMPretty close to worse case scenario possession there. Vikings have a chance to put it away in the first possession of the second half.
How can't a WR lineup correctly? Same mistakes they always make against good teams. Not a serious team. Good, but not serious
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2024, 04:43:15 PMHow can't a WR lineup correctly? Same mistakes they always make against good teams. Not a serious team. Good, but not serious
Wicks is by far the biggest disappointment for me on the team this year.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 29, 2024, 04:46:57 PMWicks is by far the biggest disappointment for me on the team this year.
They need to get a true alpha number 1 at wideout. None of these guys are it.
This game looks over to me.
Ball game.
Been a rough day for GB.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 29, 2024, 05:16:23 PMBeen a rough day for GB.
Yeah, they're frauds. Good enough to make the playoffs but not a threat. Just don't have any difference makers on the roster other than maybe Jacobs.
Clearly behind the top 3 NFC contenders in virtually every area.
That could help.
I think the decision to go for fourth and 2 instead of taking a relatively easy field goal gave Vikings momentum
It's never over with Darnold throwing the ball
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2024, 05:19:19 PMYeah, they're frauds. Good enough to make the playoffs but not a threat. Just don't have any difference makers on the roster other than maybe Jacobs.
Got fat on a weak schedule. Get handled when they play anyone decent.
The Packers are in purgatory right now. Get a 5-7 seed. Maybe win one, bounced. Young or not, the talent just isn't there to break through.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 29, 2024, 05:24:04 PMGot fat on a weak schedule. Get handled when they play anyone decent.
The Packers are in purgatory right now. Get a 5-7 seed. Maybe win one, bounced. Young or not, the talent just isn't there to break through.
If the Packers are in purgatory, where are the Bears?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 29, 2024, 05:26:32 PMIf the Packers are in purgatory, where are the Bears?
I believe they call it hell.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 29, 2024, 05:24:04 PMGot fat on a weak schedule. Get handled when they play anyone decent.
The Packers are in purgatory right now. Get a 5-7 seed. Maybe win one, bounced. Young or not, the talent just isn't there to break through.
Watching the Vikings wideouts go up and make hard catches compared to the Packers wideouts is jarring.
Well, now it's over.
One job. ::)
That Darnold QB is pretty good.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2024, 05:31:38 PMWatching the Vikings wideouts go up and make hard catches compared to the Packers wideouts is jarring.
2 #1s to 0 #1s.
At lest the WRs won't feel bad alone. Every position on offense has been dominated
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2024, 05:42:07 PMThat Darnold QB is pretty good.
Has to be refreshing for Aaron Jones to finally play with a QB capable of winning a Super Bowl
Almost....
But they were right to change the call.
Well, they didn't quit at least
Now it is interesting
Onside now. OR
They'll never get the ball back.
A couple of clanged FGs potentially looming larger.
NM. Vikings make plays they need.
Over and over and over.
Bullard didn't cover a player all day.
Vikings and Lions play to win. Green Bay plays not to lose. Simple as that and that's why they lose to good teams
MLF chickened out.
Gotta onside kick. Chances are small, but small > none.
So, more Dan Campbell.
Yes.
GB still has a puncher's chance in tbe playoffs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 29, 2024, 06:38:29 PMGB still has a punchers chance in tbe playoffs.
No, no they don't
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 29, 2024, 06:38:29 PMGB still has a punchers chance in tbe playoffs.
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2024, 06:39:26 PMNo, no they don't
Maybe Philly is clearly better but that's about it.
Green Bay has been close against Minnesota and Detroit. One play here, one decision there, and maybe they steal a win. Philadelphia, Minnesota, and Detroit are teams that GB cannot make mistakes against and beat. GB has to be good AND mistake free.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2024, 06:43:30 PMGreen Bay has been close against Minnesota and Detroit. One play here, one decision there, and maybe they steal a win. Philadelphia, Minnesota, and Detroit are teams that GB cannot make mistakes against and beat. GB has to be good AND mistake free.
Hahahshshahahshahahaha
I didn't say it was easy.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2024, 06:24:51 PMVikings and Lions play to win. Green Bay plays not to lose. Simple as that and that's why they lose to good teams
Wrong game to post this
Vikes went prevent D with 9 minutes left.
Prevent defense is the most insane strategy in all of sports. Defies any logic.
Brilliant first 51 min
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2024, 06:24:51 PMVikings and Lions play to win. Green Bay plays not to lose. Simple as that and that's why they lose to good teams
If they run into those teams I hope they go heavy dose of hurry up. It's the only time they've moved the ball against Minnesota. Might not work, but Flores defense is stymying them.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 29, 2024, 06:55:29 PMWrong game to post this
Vikes went prevent D with 9 minutes left.
Prevent defense is the most insane strategy in all of sports. Defies any logic.
Brilliant first 51 min
And then they went out and won the game not playing afraid in the final 2 minutes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2024, 07:00:14 PMAnd then they went out and won the game not playing afraid in the final 2 minutes
I mean they had to throw it haha.
But a couple of the plays were excellent plays
Packers loss a double whammy. With the Commanders win last night, the Packers are now the 7-seed, staring down a trip to Philly opening weekend of the playoffs.
MLF tryin' to impersonate the Detroit coach by discarding 3 pts on 4th and 2 was just dumb. Oh well, when da goin' gets tough,...aina?
Looking back at the Offsides on the FG. That was an extremely bad call. If anyone was offsides it was actually the right Guard for Minnesota.
Officials really blew that call.
That said, the Packers just need to be better. Can't have that many self-imposed mistakes and win against good teams.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 30, 2024, 06:58:33 AMPackers loss a double whammy. With the Commanders win last night, the Packers are now the 7-seed, staring down a trip to Philly opening weekend of the playoffs.
Going to Philly is not a huge deal IMO, probably would have had to anyways.
The brutal part is that now you likely would have to go through the top three teams to make the Super Bowl since you automatically get the top seed in round 2 and then assume Min/Detroit comes out of the pod with WSH/LAR/TB.
But it is what it is.
Sometimes drafting on Combine stats doesn't work out as well as selecting players who know how to play the game.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/12/30/concerns-grow-as-recent-packers-first-round-pick-is-out-snapped-outplayed-by-udfa/
Surgery for Jaire. Good chance we won't see him in a packers jersey again.
Injuries suck.
Good thing he waited until now, weeks after the injury.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 01, 2025, 04:23:50 PMGood thing he waited until now, weeks after the injury.
Months. He was injured in the Jaguar game in October.
https://bsky.app/profile/badgernoonan.bsky.social/post/3lern6mvpzs2s
Lotsa lol, here
Preview of Packers Bear Season Finale
https://youtu.be/rLuPbdelA60?si=ir-Zh5xGW3-Yiuqt
Is it just me going crazy or does Christian Watson not trying to grip the ball with his fingers when trying to catch a football? Anytime I see a slow motion replay it always looks like he's trying to catch it with just his palms and his fingers are always still straight.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 05, 2025, 12:26:35 PMIs it just me going crazy or does Christian Watson not trying to grip the ball with his fingers when trying to catch a football? Anytime I see a slow motion replay it always looks like he's trying to catch it with just his palms and his fingers are always still straight.
It was also a terrible pass
Glad you have sky refs to still manage to fck up that obvious catch. Also a terrible pass.
Packers are going to exit the playoffs by the end of the first quarter against the Eagles
Yeesh. This is ugly:
WR group has regressed so bad.
Slim chances of a playoff run probably dead if that Watson injury is as bad as it looked.
Feels like an honest discussion at this point to suggest Willis in the playoff is at least an option to consider.
Things are not going well today.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 05, 2025, 12:48:25 PMWR group has regressed so bad.
Yup.
It has been everyone - not just one guy.
Injuries suck. Good luck to Watson and Love.
Such a dumb play call.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2025, 02:18:23 PMInjuries suck. Good luck to Watson and Love.
I think Watson pulled a hamstring getting onto the injury cart.
Packers really need to draft a true WR1.
Lol. Darryl Johnston, "Bears fans are wondering how we are going to mess this up"...Bears, lets fumble the ball on an easy catch.
Packers: "Don't worry, hold my beer".
Quote from: forgetful on January 05, 2025, 02:45:14 PMPackers really need to draft a true WR1.
And 2 CBs, a LB, 2 pass rushers.
lol MLF trying to leave as much time for the bears as possible
Is McManus the best player on the Packers?
Neat that we got crippling injuries for a game that didn't matter, and lost because Rich Bisaccia is an all-time grifter
Joe Barry Carroll must be smiling over this.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 05, 2025, 02:58:58 PMIs McManus the best player on the Packers?
He certainly grabs attention
I'm one of the few who would rather play Philly, but you can't just choke games away.
Don't understand the last defensive play call at all. 3 guys 30 yards down field gift wraps a free 18 yards.
Packers suck, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 05, 2025, 03:10:34 PMPackers suck, aina?
While the loss is disappointing, I'm genuinely happy for you
Quote from: Jockey on January 05, 2025, 03:09:43 PMI'm one of the few who would rather play Philly, but you can't just choke games away.
I think that's just crazy.
Pack can beat Philly. But Philly in Philly is considerably tougher than whatever team is the 3
Eagles by 20
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 05, 2025, 03:09:49 PMDon't understand the last defensive play call at all. 3 guys 30 yards down field gift wraps a free 18 yards.
I think they were hoping the Bears would not have enough time to spike it.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 05, 2025, 03:12:04 PMI think they were hoping the Bears would not have enough time to spike it.
LaFleur coached a terrible game today. That game is on him
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 05, 2025, 02:57:54 PMlol MLF trying to leave as much time for the bears as possible
LOL - Absolute coaching blunder...ran their 2nd down play with 31 on play clock and 3rd down play with 20 seconds on play clock. Can't wait to hear what rationale he offers up for those decisions. Absolute moron.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 05, 2025, 03:14:48 PMLOL - Absolute coaching blunder...ran their 2nd down play with 31 on play clock and 3rd down play with 20 seconds on play clock. Can't wait to hear what rationale he offers up for those decisions. Absolute moron.
And then immediately called a time out!
They're going absolutely forking nowhere with this staff in place.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 05, 2025, 03:12:34 PMLaFleur coached a terrible game today. That game is on him
and the packers are a low-IQ team....
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 05, 2025, 03:17:30 PMAnd then immediately called a time out!
Beyond moronic! Honestly forgot he called that timeout..just thought it odd he went to hurry up mode on 2nd and 3rd when already basically in FG range.
55 second drive without a single defensive timeout or incompletion.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 05, 2025, 03:18:55 PMThey're going absolutely forking nowhere with this staff in place.
Yup. If people can't see he's the third best coach in the division and his competitors have done a superior job identifying coaching talent, they're deluding themselves.
Hafley is awful.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 05, 2025, 03:32:17 PM55 second drive without a single defensive timeout or incompletion.
Mismanaging the clock worse than the Bears should be a fireable offense.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 05, 2025, 03:10:34 PMPackers suck, aina?
Anytime GB or MU loses, we can count on on you showing up.
A true fan.
Toss the Bucks in the all gone machine too, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 05, 2025, 05:28:53 PMToss the Bucks in the all gone machine too, hey?
Not wrong on either team.
The Packers have some tough players. They have soft coaches.
5 of their losses are to Phillie, Minnesota, and Detroit. They had a brutal schedule and those teams will finish with 43 regular season wins. Unless there is a tie tonight. And they never got their butts kicked. My conclusion is they are a good team on the cusp of being a very good team.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2025, 05:57:03 PM5 of their losses are to Phillie, Minnesota, and Detroit. They had a brutal schedule and those teams will finish with 43 regular season wins. Unless there is a tie tonight. And they never got their butts kicked. My conclusion is they are a good team on the cusp of being a very good team.
Disagree.
The QB was not as good as he was to close '23. Injuries played a part but the mechanics the last month left a lot to be desired.
The wideouts have regressed tremendously. Outside Kraft, maybe Doubs, they're all replaceable.
The line is fine. Jacobs was a good pickup but has fumbles in 2 of the last 4 games before today, didn't play half 2.
The front 7 is bad outside Cooper against the pass. You cannot be successful long term if you can't pressure the QB. It exposes them in the middle of the defense.
They handled the run mostly fine. Teams gashed them running WR screens. The Moore TD is a perfect example. Terrible angles and discipline. They can get exposed on the edges because they don't regularly set the edge.
The secondary is ok. Valentine shined, McKinney was a good pickup. Bullard and Williams flashed but Williams couldn't stay healthy. Stokes is unplayable. Nixon should be a nickel back but has to play because Jaire is out. They failed to add quality DB depth.
The special teams is terrible. McManus saved their bacon.
The coaching staff was simply bad this year outside the Willis games and I'm not giving them a ton of credit for beating garbage teams those weeks. Hafley benefitted from a lot of turnover luck. Their late game defense is terrible. My dead grandmother could have completed that throw to close the game today and spiked the ball.
I wouldn't take LaFleur over Campbell or KOC. Both are better coaches and both are better at identifying coaching talent for their staffs.
Quote from: tower912 on January 05, 2025, 05:57:03 PM5 of their losses are to Phillie, Minnesota, and Detroit. They had a brutal schedule and those teams will finish with 43 regular season wins. Unless there is a tie tonight. And they never got their butts kicked. My conclusion is they are a good team on the cusp of being a very good team.
You lost me at brutal schedule.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 05, 2025, 06:08:18 PMDisagree.
The QB was not as good as he was to close '23. Injuries played a part but the mechanics the last month left a lot to be desired.
The wideouts have regressed tremendously. Outside Kraft, maybe Doubs, they're all replaceable.
The line is fine. Jacobs was a good pickup but has fumbles in 2 of the last 4 games before today, didn't play half 2.
The front 7 is bad outside Cooper against the pass. You cannot be successful long term if you can't pressure the QB. It exposes them in the middle of the defense.
They handled the run mostly fine. Teams gashed them running WR screens. The Moore TD is a perfect example. Terrible angles and discipline. They can get exposed on the edges because they don't regularly set the edge.
The secondary is ok. Valentine shined, McKinney was a good pickup. Bullard and Williams flashed but Williams couldn't stay healthy. Stokes is unplayable. Nixon should be a nickel back but has to play because Jaire is out. They failed to add quality DB depth.
The special teams is terrible. McManus saved their bacon.
The coaching staff was simply bad this year outside the Willis games and I'm not giving them a ton of credit for beating garbage teams those weeks. Hafley benefitted from a lot of turnover luck. Their late game defense is terrible. My dead grandmother could have completed that throw to close the game today and spiked the ball.
I wouldn't take LaFleur over Campbell or KOC. Both are better coaches and both are better at identifying coaching talent for their staffs.
No notes. A lot of average, both on the roster and the coaching staff.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 05, 2025, 06:08:49 PMYou lost me at brutal schedule.
Beat the teams they should beat, except Chicago. Lost to the elite teams. Good, not elite.
Little flower is soft - permeates the team personality.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 05, 2025, 03:17:30 PMAnd then immediately called a time out!
When that was called, I assumed it was the Bears calling their last TO to keep time on the clock and thought "good use of a TO late in the game for once". But then when I saw it tick off the Packers side on the game bug and realized MLF took it, I was absolutely baffled.
Christian Watson tore his ACL. Good luck, young man.
Address him missing next season through the draft or free agency?
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2025, 03:19:47 PMAddress him missing next season through the draft or free agency?
A free agent WR in Green Bay?
Not happening
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2025, 01:01:48 PMChristian Watson tore his ACL. Good luck, young man.
Devastating.
So in retrospect, the Packers went 2-5 against playoff teams. The only wins were against the Texans and an injury-riddled Rams. They went 9-1 against non playoff teams, which included the lowly AFC South and NFC West.
Next year they have nine playoff teams on their schedule. (Vikings and Lions twice, Commanders, Ravens, Steelers, Eagles and Broncos.) Plus Joe Burrow and the Bengals. And at the Cowboys.
I have a feeling there will be quite a fall off next season.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 07, 2025, 03:01:42 PMSo in retrospect, the Packers went 2-5 against playoff teams. The only wins were against the Texans and an injury-riddled Rams. They went 9-1 against non playoff teams, which included the lowly AFC South and NFC West.
Next year they have nine playoff teams on their schedule. (Vikings and Lions twice, Commanders, Ravens, Steelers, Eagles and Broncos.) Plus Joe Burrow and the Bengals. And at the Cowboys.
I have a feeling there will be quite a fall off next season.
Unless they're willing to upgrade via FA or trade, it'll be more of the same.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2025, 05:28:22 PMUnless they're willing to upgrade via FA or trade, it'll be more of the same.
I don't know it possible to have enough talent to overcome LaFleur and Hafley being total clowns.
This is the crap situation we find ourselves as Packers fans, LaFleur wins just enough to keep his job. An astute president and GM would see him for who is despite the modest regular season success and replace him.
Quote from: JWags85 on January 05, 2025, 08:14:22 PMWhen that was called, I assumed it was the Bears calling their last TO to keep time on the clock and thought "good use of a TO late in the game for once". But then when I saw it tick off the Packers side on the game bug and realized MLF took it, I was absolutely baffled.
Truly hard to believe a head coach being that stupid.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 07, 2025, 07:29:20 PMI don't know it possible to have enough talent to overcome LaFleur and Hafley being total clowns.
This is the crap situation we find ourselves as Packers fans, LaFleur wins just enough to keep his job. An astute president and GM would see him for who is despite the modest regular season success and replace him.
LaFleur is a good offensive coach and good locker room guy. Freezes up at times in game. Not terrible. Not great.
I honestly think the defensive issues are in part coaching, but more about lack of talent. Honestly who is a A-level player on that side of the ball?
Quote from: The Sultan on January 07, 2025, 08:32:48 PMLaFleur is a good offensive coach and good locker room guy. Freezes up at times in game. Not terrible. Not great.
I honestly think the defensive issues are in part coaching, but more about lack of talent. Honestly who is a A-level player on that side of the ball?
Agree with all of this.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 07, 2025, 08:32:48 PMLaFleur is a good offensive coach and good locker room guy. Freezes up at times in game. Not terrible. Not great.
I honestly think the defensive issues are in part coaching, but more about lack of talent. Honestly who is a A-level player on that side of the ball?
Detroit just held Minnesota to 9 points with a completely makeshift defense. I'm really tired of lack of talent excuses for their sh@@ty coaches. Hafley showed himself a total imbecile on the third down play.
By the way, I'd call McKinney A level. That's hardly debatable.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 07, 2025, 08:45:42 PMDetroit just held Minnesota to 9 points with a completely makeshift defense. I'm really tired of lack of talent excuses for their sh@@ty coaches. Hafley showed himself a total imbecile on the third down play.
By the way, I'd call McKinney A level. That's hardly debatable.
Well they have a lack of talent on defense. Sorry you can't see that.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 07, 2025, 08:56:30 PMWell they have a lack of talent on defense. Sorry you can't see that.
LaFleur has had 3 coordinators. At some point, the blame lies on the talent.
That said, Hafley has had some bafflers this year and his end of game defensive strategy has been awful, so two things feel true here
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2025, 09:15:43 PMLaFleur has had 3 coordinators. At some point, the blame lies on the talent.
That said, Hafley has had some bafflers this year and his end of game defensive strategy has been awful, so two things feel true here
I'm not saying he's great by any means.
Why are the Packers replacement level players on special teams so much worse than every other team's replacement level players on special teams?
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 07, 2025, 10:06:23 PMWhy are the Packers replacement level players on special teams so much worse than every other team's replacement level players on special teams?
The Packers are very young and don't put enough emphasis on it.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 07, 2025, 08:32:48 PMLaFleur is a good offensive coach and good locker room guy. Freezes up at times in game. Not terrible. Not great.
Hmmm who else can we say that about?
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Quote from: The Sultan on January 07, 2025, 08:32:48 PMLaFleur is a good offensive coach and good locker room guy. Freezes up at times in game. Not terrible. Not great.
I honestly think the defensive issues are in part coaching, but more about lack of talent. Honestly who is a A-level player on that side of the ball?
Cooper, Mckinney, and Jaire when he's locked in which is almost never these days.
That's it for the talent according to my eye test.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 08, 2025, 12:24:10 PMCooper, Mckinney, and Jaire when he's locked in which is almost never these days.
That's it for the talent according to my eye test.
Cooper is a budding star. Teams can get him out of position but if he disciplines himself, he can be a bona fide star.
McKinney is a plus player. The stats are gaudy but he is also susceptible of being out of position. Still, he's a type of player you can win with and should be the type of secondary help they look at this off-season.
Wyatt has a chance to be very good, too.
Also, Carrington Valentine has been very good. They're a much better team with him on the field. Teams largely avoid him when Jaire is out. If you trust advanced stats, he's been really good
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2025, 12:35:44 PMCooper is a budding star. Teams can get him out of position but if he disciplines himself, he can be a bona fide star.
McKinney is a plus player. The stats are gaudy but he is also susceptible of being out of position. Still, he's a type of player you can win with and should be the type of secondary help they look at this off-season.
Wyatt has a chance to be very good, too.
Also, Carrington Valentine has been very good. They're a much better team with him on the field. Teams largely avoid him when Jaire is out. If you trust advanced stats, he's been really good
Of course, the Packers don't trust the advanced stats and thus have insisted on platooning him
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 08, 2025, 12:55:41 PMOf course, the Packers don't trust the advanced stats and thus have insisted on platooning him
I'm no football genius but Eric Stokes is terrible
Excited? Optimistic? Hopeful? Pessimistic? Resigned?
Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2025, 12:44:06 PMExcited? Optimistic? Hopeful? Pessimistic? Resigned?
Hopeful
Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2025, 12:44:06 PMExcited? Optimistic? Hopeful? Pessimistic? Resigned?
Level
Cautiously optimistic, but don't think I'll take a loss as hard as past playoff losses.
Trepidatious.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 12, 2025, 01:02:31 PMCautiously optimistic, but don't think I'll take a loss as hard as past playoff losses.
If they lose, a blowout is preferable than watching the defense play passive and lose late
Auspicious start
JFC
Never expected STs to screw the pooch.
Neat that you have rules to prevent leading with the helmet or around clear recovery when you will promptly ignore both of them
Welp
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 03:46:15 PMNeat that you have rules to prevent leading with the helmet or around clear recovery when you will promptly ignore both of them
It was a perfect tackle. And it wasn't a clear recovery.
Other than that, great post.
This is already looking like a blood bath.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 03:46:15 PMNeat that you have rules to prevent leading with the helmet or around clear recovery when you will promptly ignore both of them
I thought he was still juggling it.
Patented Packers pass rush. How did Hurts make that throw?!?
Slaton helping Saquon up after the first down tackle says it all about this defense. It's the Playoffs boys.
2 special teams plays = 2 screwups.
Wonder who the new special teams coach will be
This is about as bad a first 3 minutes you can have.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2025, 03:49:28 PMPatented Packers pass rush. How did Hurts make that throw?!?
can't believe the eagles were able to get pressure on a 4 man rush. Didn't think it was possible.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 03:47:34 PMIt was a perfect tackle. And it wasn't a clear recovery.
Other than that, great post.
Agree with the perfect tackle. you are wrong on the "it wasn't a clear recovery", the overhead view was as clear as can be. The best explanation for the call was that they didn't get that view.
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 04:02:09 PMAgree with the perfect tackle. you are wrong on the "it wasn't a clear recovery", the overhead view was as clear as can be. The best explanation for the call was that they didn't get that view.
Nah. Didn't have control from any of the views I saw.
I do think if it was originally called Packers ball, it wouldn't have been overturned. Just no way to know Nixon fully had it. At least in my opinion. The biased fan in me thought it was enough to overturn, but I can see why they didn't.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 12, 2025, 04:08:54 PMI do think if it was originally called Packers ball, it wouldn't have been overturned. Just no way to know Nixon fully had it. At least in my opinion. The biased fan in me thought it was enough to overturn, but I can see why they didn't.
This is the correct take
Outside X, no one who is not on their rookie contract should be back on this defense. Complete teardown needed
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 04:14:34 PMOutside X, no one who is not on their rookie contract should be back on this defense. Complete teardown needed
Eagles might run for 300 yards
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2025, 04:15:22 PMEagles might run for 300 yards
The eagles offensive playcalling doing a nice job of stopping the eagles offense
They are going to need to start trusting Love's arm since I don't think Jacobs is getting much done against this D.
Well........crap
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 04:22:44 PMThe eagles offensive playcalling doing a nice job of stopping the eagles offense
If I were the eagles, I'd essentially run every down. Their O-line might be the best in the NFL. The packers can't stop Saquon.
The only chance the Packers have to win is if the Eagles make a bunch of Turnovers.
That is more likely to happen with Hurts than Saquon handling it.
Going to be another fun game of getting whooped and then scoring a bunch of points after the other team lets off the gas to make it look closer than it was.
Pack D is doing enough. Offense has to show a pulse
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 12, 2025, 04:23:56 PMThey are going to need to start trusting Love's arm since I don't think Jacobs is getting much done against this D.
Well........crap
Commanders beat the Eagles throwing the ball. Love is going to have to make some throws
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2025, 04:28:58 PMCommanders beat the Eagles throwing the ball. Love is going to have to make some throws
He's thrown exactly one deep ball this year that wasn't underthrown. Watson dropped that one.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 04:30:21 PMHe's thrown exactly one deep ball this year that wasn't underthrown. Watson dropped that one.
My confidence is low, especially with a bunch of meh at wideout. Other than that, should be easy
Tucker Kraft is the best Packers player. Prove me wrong.
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 04:34:58 PMTucker Kraft is the best Packers player. Prove me wrong.
Best QB
Penei Sewell is watching the Kraft QB sneak and is texting Ben Johnson.
...hey...
Zach Tom having perhaps the worst game of his career is emblematic of how this is going.
Bring Anders home
I appreciate the tank by our ST to make sure Bisaccia doesn't steal from this team anymore
Everything going wrong for the Packers. They look unprepared and tight.
Need a WR1. Our best receiver would be WR3 for the eagles.
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 04:43:19 PMEverything going wrong for the Packers. They look unprepared and tight.
Need a WR1. Our best receiver would be WR3 for the eagles.
would be WR3 for a ton of teams
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 04:43:19 PMEverything going wrong for the Packers. They look unprepared and tight.
Need a WR1. Our best receiver would be WR3 for the eagles.
Hands down. They can't get open to save their lives
I'm expecting a 5 minute TD drive to end our hopes here.
I guess I'll take the eagles actively refusing to give their best player the ball.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 12, 2025, 04:45:57 PMI'm expecting a 5 minute TD drive to end our hopes here.
I think the Packers go down and score a TD here.
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 04:49:04 PMI think the Packers go down and score a TD here.
Smells like pick 6
It's cruel and unusual punishment to make any football fan listen to Brady as an announcer.
How was there a penalty on GB on that punt? If anything there was pretty clear kick catch interference.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 12, 2025, 04:48:44 PMI guess I'll take the eagles actively refusing to give their best player the ball.
Yes, bit confused on the Eagles game plan. But that's why I think they're limited on their ceiling
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 04:52:11 PMHow was there a penalty on GB on that punt? If anything there was pretty clear kick catch interference.
Not allowed to call penalties on Eagles ST
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 04:51:19 PMIt's cruel and unusual punishment to make any football fan listen to Brady as an announcer.
He has gotten worse as the season has gone on even with Burkhardt pitching him softballs.
WR1 and QB1 are not on this roster.
Edit: Kraft just quit on his route after falling down
Love raising a lot of questions about whether he's good enough.
Feel like we got away with a PI and saved us giving up more points before the half.
Despite our best efforts, we are still in it.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 04:59:56 PMWR1 and QB1 are not on this roster.
Edit: Kraft just quit on his route after falling down
Still can't make that throw.
Defense gets a lot of credit. Impressive effort on their part.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2025, 05:04:44 PMStill can't make that throw.
No agree, that's on Love, but made it look worse than it was.
Pack have a nice opt out of this horrific QB contract?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 12, 2025, 05:07:32 PMPack have a nice opt out of this horrific QB contract?
Yes. He got paid the going rate for QBs. It's hardly horrific
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 12, 2025, 05:07:32 PMPack have a nice opt out of this horrific QB contract?
No easy way to get out for at least two seasons. And I'm not writing him off.
A pick 6 would be helpful.
Love with an absolute hospital ball that injured Doubs
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 05:18:08 PMNo easy way to get out for at least two seasons. And I'm not writing him off.
Will def be a big offseason for him. Has got to eliminate all the back foot throwing.
D is very impressive today
It hasn't been pretty, but Packers very much alive here. Doesn't matter how it looks this time of year, just win somehow.
There's the Packers defense we know and love.
Ball game
Shouldn't be expected to hold up the whole game...Eagles offense is too good. We clearly need more yolo balls from Jordan
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 05:47:25 PMThere's the Packers defense we know and love.
It would have been helpful if our defenders weren't 20 yards off the line of scrimmage there.
Does Nixon know it's ok to let the ball go through the EZ?
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 05:49:26 PMShouldn't be expected to hold up the whole game...Eagles offense is too good. We clearly need more yolo balls from Jordan
May as well. Really the only thing working in the passing game
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 05:50:18 PMIt would have been helpful if our defenders weren't 20 yards off the line of scrimmage there.
About 30 yards closer than the last play against the bears last week.
I thought for sure we'd see more 12 personnel today. These injuries at WR are gonna force it.
Not sure that he was in, but what a run
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 05:57:58 PMJosh can stay
Jacobs is the argument against Kraft being our best player. And it is a good argument.
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 05:59:05 PMJacobs is the argument against Kraft being our best player. And it is a good argument.
It's not an argument because Jacobs is it by a big margin. Tucker is great. But it's not close
What an incredibly soft personal foul.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 06:08:36 PMWhat an incredibly soft personal foul.
Not really. Obvious penalty.
Nixon was fun when he was a competent returner after Amari Rodgers. Less so now.
Now would be a great time for a pick 6.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 06:09:05 PMNot really. Obvious penalty.
Yeah, that's just a really dumb play by Nixon but the excuses are piling up for the Packers staying the course.
Bad refs!
Injuries!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2025, 06:11:19 PMYeah, that's just a really dumb play by Nixon but the excuses are piling up for the Packers staying the course.
Bad refs!
Injuries!
Really tough opponent......that could have been avoided if we went even 3-3 in the division.
Isn't holding 10 yards from the spot of the foul? If so shouldn't it be like 2nd and 26 or 27?
The defense is good UNTIL they need to be.
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 06:13:35 PMIsn't holding 10 yards from the spot of the foul? If so shouldn't it be like 2nd and 26 or 27?
No - unless it is past the line of scrimmage.
Quote from: Jockey on January 12, 2025, 06:17:04 PMThe defense is good UNTIL they need to be.equitable.
They are not the problem today. They have not made a field tilting play but they have not been the issue
Quote from: Jockey on January 12, 2025, 06:17:04 PMThe defense is good UNTIL they need to be.
pretty on par for a lot of Rodgers' last years.
Quote from: Jockey on January 12, 2025, 06:17:04 PMThe defense is good UNTIL they need to be.
I can't get mad at that, though. They've held Philly to about 260 yards of total offense today through 52 minutes. This game is on the special teams and offense. Special teams are -10 (-9 if we count the missed XP). Love has two picks, arguably -3 there. You give up only 19 at Philly that's a win by the defense
Quote from: Jockey on January 12, 2025, 06:17:51 PMNo - unless it is past the line of scrimmage.
Got it. Thank you, was unsure.
In that case, that penalty was beneficial for the Eagles. They were going to take a sack and lose 7 yards. Saved a down and only cost an extra 3 yards.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on January 12, 2025, 06:18:41 PMpretty on par for a lot of Rodgers' last years.
Eh, the offense lost the game to the Buccs and Niners in his last two playoff appearances
What I think the Packeds should do is keep using the entire play clock and then run the ball. MLF has played scared the entire year
LaFleur is awful. He has to go.
Clean house
So many question marks going into next season.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2025, 06:24:03 PMLaFleur is awful. He has to go.
Pretty good regular season coach. Not so much in the playoffs. Always seems we come out lackadaisical until we get down a few scores.
Undisciplined, stupid players on defense.
Usual late game collapse.
Crazy thing is, the game really should be 13-12 GB.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 12, 2025, 06:26:56 PMPretty good regular season coach. Not so much in the playoffs. Always seems we come out lackadaisical until we get down a few scores.
He has hit his ceiling. If the Bears get their hire right, he'll be the worst coach in the division.
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 06:29:46 PMCrazy thing is, the game really should be 13-12 GB.
I don't have a lot of faith the Packers come out much better than they did. This is who they are.
Packers are an amazing combination of soft, dumb, and unlucky.
Why not take the timeout? Seems silly to let them just run time off.
Time for more empty calorie offensive stats
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 06:34:33 PMTime for more empty calorie offensive stats
Throw a pick and end the misery
Can they just roll Josh off so we can finish this
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 06:37:19 PMCan they just roll Josh off so we can finish this
Dude just broke his leg. May be a compound fracture.
Sucks.
Still expanding
https://firetombrady.com
Quote from: forgetful on January 12, 2025, 06:37:49 PMDude just broke his leg. May be a compound fracture.
Sucks.
Oh no - I didn't see a replay. I thought he rolled it.
Heading into his free agent year.
Just take a knee and avoid more injuries.
Just kneel the ball.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 06:39:02 PMOh no - I didn't see a replay. I thought he rolled it.
There's a chance he didn't break the leg. But the type of play it was has led to the broken leg more often than not.
Other scenario would be a significant knee injury.
How many injuries today?
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 12, 2025, 06:33:35 PMWhy not take the timeout? Seems silly to let them just run time off.
Can't make it up..last week MLF takes a time out to preserve time for the Bears. Today he lets 40 seconds tick off to further drive the stake through the Packers. Rough day for GB - absolutely beat up. They wouldn't have advanced out of next round regardless of if they won this game.
Packers may win a lot of games with Little Flower but will never win the big games.
He is a mini Mike McCarthy.
Thank goodness we will have that timeout in the offseason.
Take a shot for every Jordan love under thrown deep throw.
Georgetown of the nfl
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 12, 2025, 06:50:06 PMGeorgetown of the nfl
Hope DePaul can handle the Rams tomorrow.
I blame me. Kiss of death every time I root for GB.
Big time prove it year for coach and quarterback next season. Although I don't think the head coach should get the opportunity.
I don't have much memory to draw from pre-Holmgren, but this team was the most undisciplined I've seen.
Wear did GB rank in regards to age and experience?
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 12, 2025, 07:05:05 PMBig time prove it year for coach and quarterback next season. Although I don't think the head coach should get the opportunity.
I don't have much memory to draw from pre-Holmgren, but this team was the most undisciplined I've seen.
Oh the Forrest Gregg years were wonderful if you didn't like disciplined football. The Lindy Infante years were just blah except for the year the Majik Man almost made the playoffs.
MLF isn't going anywhere. Not a chance. However, with Ed Policy taking over as President in July, and the schedule significantly harder, its going to be interesting to see what happens if they don't make the playoffs...which I think is a distinct possibility.
Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2025, 07:06:30 PMWear did GB rank in regards to age and experience?
I believe that they are the youngest for the second year in a row. That seems to be more of a strategy now than just a quirk. I'm not sure we can use that as an excuse if that's how we are trying to build the team.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 12, 2025, 07:05:05 PMBig time prove it year for coach and quarterback next season. Although I don't think the head coach should get the opportunity.
I don't have much memory to draw from pre-Holmgren, but this team was the most undisciplined I've seen.
No one and I mean no one will ever be less disciplined than the Forrest Gregg Packers but at least they were entertainingly bad and quite dirty.
The youth blaming is such a load of trash. Youth isn't an excuse for the undisciplined nonsense this team does in week 18 and the Wild Card round. They're just dumb. They draft on athleticism and ignore football players with high IQ's. The complete opposite of what Minnesota and Detroit are doing right now
I don't know where this team focuses this offseason. They need to go high on WR - maybe double up FA and Draft. They probably need 3 CBs, a DE and DT. Turnovers are highly volatile - nothing about this defense screams repeatable.
It's an important offseason and yet I can't tell you what hole is most important.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 07:31:57 PMI don't know where this team focuses this offseason. They need to go high on WR - maybe double up FA and Draft. They probably need 3 CBs, a DE and DT. Turnovers are highly volatile - nothing about this defense screams repeatable.
It's an important offseason and yet I can't tell you what hole is most important.
They better get a true number 1 WR, first and foremost. They can't rely on Watson to comeback and he's not that good anyway. None of these guys scare other teams. They need an edge as well. They have to have someone that can get to the QB w/o blitzing.
Those are priorities 1A and 1B, whatever order you want.
I'd say Tee Higgins, but he may pull a hammy signing the contract.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 12, 2025, 07:47:41 PMI'd say Tee Higgins, but he may pull a hammy signing the contract.
They have to get more creative than that. If his teammate can't get a deal done in Cincinnati, get him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2025, 07:38:48 PMThey better get a true number 1 WR, first and foremost. They can't rely on Watson to comeback and he's not that good anyway. None of these guys scare other teams. They need an edge as well. They have to have someone that can get to the QB w/o blitzing.
Those are priorities 1A and 1B, whatever order you want.
I think that's the thing. They saved the hardest pieces for last (edge more than WR)
I'd say double up by going after a discard like Davante and then high in the draft. Tee Higgins would be great, but the Packers will be outbid by more desperate teams like the Patriots. Tyreek is only a good idea if you're playing Madden.
Edge seems like the harder position to fill because those guys just don't come free. You're going discount hunting (Mack?) unless you're trying to pay a guy free for way too much capital (Garrett, Crosby)
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 12, 2025, 08:00:29 PMI think that's the thing. They saved the hardest pieces for last (edge more than WR)
I'd say double up by going after a discard like Davante and then high in the draft. Tee Higgins would be great, but the Packers will be outbid by more desperate teams like the Patriots. Tyreek is only a good idea if you're playing Madden.
Edge seems like the harder position to fill because those guys just don't come free. You're going discount hunting (Mack?) unless you're trying to pay a guy free for way too much capital (Garrett, Crosby)
They need playmakers and holding onto draft picks ain't getting impact players
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2025, 08:04:59 PMThey need playmakers and holding onto draft picks ain't getting impact players
Not in the first round at least!
I'd be happy to see MLF go. I'd be happier to see Gutey go. The roster is just not great at all. And you can't keep getting nothing with first round draft picks.
On Love's contract
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/1/12/24342443/green-bay-packers-jordan-love-contract-details-update-dead-cap-release-2025
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2025, 06:19:56 PMI can't get mad at that, though. They've held Philly to about 260 yards of total offense today through 52 minutes. This game is on the special teams and offense. Special teams are -10 (-9 if we count the missed XP). Love has two picks, arguably -3 there. You give up only 19 at Philly that's a win by the defense
I agree. The defense was mostly good. On the road against a high powered offense.
We have seen this numerous times, though, where they play good to great until they don't. Last week against Chicago was the most recent time. Very good until they really needed a stop.
All in all, I think Hadley has done a better job with what he was given to work with than most Scoopers seem to think.
Green Bay owns seven of the NFL's worst 37 special-teams EPA performances (19 percent) in the playoffs since 2008 despite accounting for only 24 of the 378 individual team postseason appearances (6 percent) over that span, per TruMedia.
Nixon's fumble was the single biggest play of the game yesterday.
Quote from: Jockey on January 13, 2025, 11:54:25 AMI agree. The defense was mostly good. On the road against a high powered offense.
We have seen this numerous times, though, where they play good to great until they don't. Last week against Chicago was the most recent time. Very good until they really needed a stop.
All in all, I think Hadley has done a better job with what he was given to work with than most Scoopers seem to think.
Last week was egregious for multiple reasons. The defense had actually put themselves in position to force Chicago into a hail Mary or dicey long FG until the way they played the last play. There was no excuse to give that much space.
I also dump that loss at LaFleur's doorstep
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Quote from: Jockey on January 13, 2025, 12:03:35 PMGreen Bay owns seven of the NFL's worst 37 special-teams EPA performances (19 percent) in the playoffs since 2008 despite accounting for only 24 of the 378 individual team postseason appearances (6 percent) over that span, per TruMedia.
Nixon's fumble was the single biggest play of the game yesterday.
You'll be able to tell what level of accountability exists for next year really quickly based on whether Bisaccia returns. There has been nothing that has happened since he arrived that distinguishes him from anyone that's come before him.
Hell, he brought over Nixon who never even returned last year.
Just complete failing upward.
Jaire gone. Probably
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2025, 12:26:46 PMI also dump that loss at LaFleur's doorstep
LaFleur is showing himself to be just an upgraded version of Eberflus. Or Doug Collins with the Bulls.
A good OC who leaves much to be desired as a HC.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2025, 12:26:46 PMLast week was egregious for multiple reasons. The defense had actually put themselves in position to force Chicago into a hail Mary or dicey long FG until the way they played the last play. There was no excuse to give that much space.
I also dump that loss at LaFleur's doorstep
Don't forget the horse collar tackle at the start of the drive.
Quote from: Jockey on January 13, 2025, 12:37:56 PMLaFleur is showing himself to be just an upgraded version of Eberflus. Or Doug Collins with the Bulls.
A good OC who leaves much to be desired as a HC.
I'd argue that his time management at the end of the bears game was just as egregious as the debacle that was the last nail in Eberflus' coffin.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2025, 12:32:27 PMJaire gone. Probably
[/According to Over the Cap, his cap hit in 2025 is $25.376 million. If traded or released, the dead money would be $18.117 million — $7.259 million in cap savings.Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2025, 12:32:27 PMJaire gone. Probably
According to Over the Cap, his cap hit in 2025 is $25.376 million. If traded or released, the dead money would be $18.117 million — $7.259 million in cap savings.
So I guess they'll be just as good without him as they are without him.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 12, 2025, 08:25:26 PMOn Love's contract
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/1/12/24342443/green-bay-packers-jordan-love-contract-details-update-dead-cap-release-2025
If Love becomes an elite QB - or at least a very good one - the Packers will have a chance. If he doesn't, being a true contender becomes unlikely if not impossible.
That's # 1, 2 and 3 when it comes to the team's future.
But yes, he needs better WRs to throw to, and the defense needs help.
Next year is the year.
The Packers are flush with draft capital and cap space.
Jaire Alexander will have to restructure his contract or be traded. He's a bit of an odd duck so I'm fine with him leaving despite the lack of talent at the position.
WR, Edge, and CB are clearly the positions of need.
LUCKILY, there are no real losses to free agency at the moment. The only person that would really be missed is Josh Meyers and there is plenty of money to do that deal.
Jets interviewing Hafley cuz why the unnatural carnal knowledge not lol
Are there Packers fans out there who actually think just give LaFleur some more players, Jordan Love play better and all will be fine and we'll be competing for a Super Bowl? LaFleur is actually regressing as a coach. He doesn't know how to improve things and the players don't respect him. I feel like we're in Wojo territory with LaFleur. Wins just enough (over mediocre to lousy teams) to keep his job and Gutekunst/Murphy have no guts to make the change that is needed. Maybe Policy will be far less tolerant of this.
Who would you like to see replace him?
My gripe with Lafleur this year was that he coached scared. He wasn't good in 4th and go situations, and when he made the right call to go, called vanilla plays that really weren't consistent with how he normally called plays.
We won't know all that went into this year, the injuries, et al, but it seemed like he lost faith in his own playbook.
This year will be telling. You have to think they will be aggressive given so few of their players are FAs. I don't think there's a real risk of moving on before 27, but the seat could get warmer if they underwhelm when it matters most.
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2025, 09:01:57 PMWho would you like to see replace him?
I like Kellen Moore and Brian Flores. I'd even kick the tires on Pete Carroll. He knows how to win, lead, and motivate. He's better than LaFleur.
I've said it before that LaFleur is a good locker room guy and a smart offensive coach who isn't always great with game management. If they regress next year like I think they will, they should wipe the slate clean with both the GM and coach.
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2025, 09:01:57 PMWho would you like to see replace him?
Coach Ditka will yell
Steal Belichick from UNC-Chapel Hill.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 15, 2025, 10:02:21 PMI like Kellen Moore and Brian Flores. I'd even kick the tires on Pete Carroll. He knows how to win, lead, and motivate. He's better than LaFleur.
Pete Carroll is SEVENTY THREE years old. Maybe we just dig up Vince, and let his corpse do the play calling.
Having said that, Lefleur is a larger part of the problem than people want to admit. His clock management, down and distance, and 4th down calls were some of the worst in football. The lack of play action, despite having a great running game is silly.
Here is a dirty little secret, the players that threw the most play action passes this year are
1 Goff
2 Stafford
3 Darnold
4 Herbert
5 Murray
6 Stroud
7 Mayfield
8 Nix
9 Rodgers (!)
10 Jackson
11 Mahomes
12 Allen
13 Love
14 Daniels
Do you see what they all have in common except Rodgers and Kyler Murray? They're all playoff QBs. What a coincidence!
Lefleur repeatedly used plays that didn't work, and the players have lacked discipline since he took over. Not to mention he seems to really only hire his buddies... some of which don't have the best track record... Halfley being the exception, but he's been at it a year as DC.
Love is not the problem. The WRs are one of, if not the largest, weakness on the team. Love's receivers have the highest drop rate in football. Yet the metrics show Love is easily one of the top QBs. Sure, he sails some passes, and under throws others, but I think we've been a tad spoiled the last 15 years with one of the all time best.
My guess is the Packers will let Gutekunst blow his financial wad this year and next before they consider moving on from him and Lefleur, though an especially bad year could see MLF looking for a job. Especially if the roster holes are filled via FA and there is no improvement or there is a regression.
You'd think with the running game they had with Jacobs, play-action would be a no brainer.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 16, 2025, 08:46:38 AMYou'd think with the running game they had with Jacobs, play-action would be a no brainer.
When we get Coach Ditka it will be
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 16, 2025, 08:46:38 AMYou'd think with the running game they had with Jacobs, play-action would be a no brainer.
I'll find the quote but MLF said after the season that the undercenter play action was less effective for them than the shotgun play action/ read options they ran so much. Not sure I buy that as a constant - some of this is something they couldn't do for nearly half the season because of Loves's injuries. But that doesn't explain what we saw down the stretch.
MLF's self-scouting this offseason better be on-point
D-Line coach let go.
I wasn't aware that you were allowed to pressure the quarterback.
The Athletic on any potential trade of DK Metcalf, to Green Bay or anyone else:
In response to a question about DK Metcalf being second in targets behind Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Macdonald noted that Metcalf was among the NFL's most targeted receivers before the knee injury in Week 7 that caused him to miss two games. Metcalf was fifth in targets and fourth in receiving yards through Week 6. Macdonald referred to those first six weeks as the type of offensive involvement they want for Metcalf this season.
"We want to get the ball to DK," Macdonald said. "We want to make sure he's a focal point of our offense."
Schneider was asked where things stand with Metcalf. He repeated the question as if confused by the premise.
"Where things stand? I'm not sure," Schneider said with a laugh. "He's on our team. He's a big, strong, fast, physical receiver."
During an interview Tuesday with Pro Football Talk, Chris Simms said he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't ask about Metcalf. "There seems to be that talk he could be on the trading block or whatever," Simms said.
"I'm not sure where that comes from," Schneider said.
Simms acknowledged no one credible has said that to him "but it was out there so I felt like I had to ask you."
"When you look at it, a lot of big-name guys on every team, there's always that 'agent talk' out there," said Schneider, who intimated there's nothing there "unless you guys know something I don't."
On Friday, Emerald City Spectrum reported that the Seahawks are entertaining offers for the 27-year-old Metcalf, who is entering the final year of his contract. The outlet reported that the Packers and Seahawks have discussed a potential Metcalf trade and Green Bay believes it has the framework for a package that would be accepted by Seattle.
Seattle and Green Bay have had no such discussions, according to The Athletic's Packers beat writer Matt Schneidman, who reported that the two sides haven't had any contact or negotiations about a potential Metcalf deal. The NFL Scouting Combine is where teams formally and informally ask other clubs about any and everyone, but my understanding is nothing substantial has come from any team inquiring about Metcalf.
Player-acquisition talks can be fluid as the offseason progresses, but all the messaging from Seattle since the end of the season has been that the team failed to adequately involve him in the offense last year. The team currently is focused on avoiding that same mistake in 2025. Given the team's goal of being a championship contender in 2025, Metcalf would figure to be more involved in the offense under Kubiak.
Tee Higgins off the table as a target for the Packers.