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Jockey

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Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on October 09, 2022, 11:36:59 AM
Just a terrible effort on both sides in that second half. They took that timeout early during a nice drive, got sacked, and it was all downhill from there.

Just a bad loss.

Spot on.

You could have included the coaching, too. 65% pass - 35% run.

Dish

Hot take...the Packers are kinda average.

Jockey

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 09, 2022, 11:40:24 AM
Hot take...the Packers are kinda average.

Is it a hot take if everyone can see it?  ;)

wadesworld

Quote from: Jockey on October 09, 2022, 11:37:24 AM

::) Yes. The D is great because they stopped the Bears and NE with a backup QB.

Defense 7th in PPG allowed. Offense 21st in PPG. But the defense is the problem. Uh huh.

PointWarrior

Rodgers sucks.  Throwing 3 deep balls with no chance going 3 and out after the giants tied the game at 20.  Great way to let your defense rest. 

Two no chance balls from the 4 to tie the game.

Defense gave up a lot of 1st downs. 

Shitty call by refs to start the second half changing a sack and 2nd and 16 to a 10 yard penalty and 1st down for the giants.


The Sultan

Quote from: PointWarrior on October 09, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
Rodgers sucks.  Throwing 3 deep balls with no chance going 3 and out after the giants tied the game at 20.  Great way to let your defense rest. 

Two no chance balls from the 4 to tie the game.

Defense gave up a lot of 1st downs. 

crapty call by refs to start the second half changing a sack and 2nd and 16 to a 10 yard penalty and 1st down for the giants.

It was a clear penalty. Douglas (Savage?) grabbed him.
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Uncle Rico

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Quote from: PointWarrior on October 09, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
Rodgers sucks.  Throwing 3 deep balls with no chance going 3 and out after the giants tied the game at 20.  Great way to let your defense rest. 

Two no chance balls from the 4 to tie the game.

Defense gave up a lot of 1st downs. 

crapty call by refs to start the second half changing a sack and 2nd and 16 to a 10 yard penalty and 1st down for the giants.
I agree with this analysis
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Dish

Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2022, 11:51:21 AM
Defense 7th in PPG allowed. Offense 21st in PPG. But the defense is the problem. Uh huh.

DVOA has had the Pack defense smack dab in the middle all season. Not saying they are the problem, but this isn't a great defense, and they've gone up against some really bad offenses thus far.

Pakuni

Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2022, 11:51:21 AM
Defense 7th in PPG allowed. Offense 21st in PPG. But the defense is the problem. Uh huh.

Kirk Cousins
Justin Fields
Tom Brady sans receivers
Bailey Zappe
Daniel Jones

Not exactly Murderer's Row.
Like Dish said, the defense may not be the problem, but I wouldn't hang my hat on them either.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on October 09, 2022, 02:12:06 PM
Kirk Cousins
Justin Fields
Tom Brady sans receivers
Bailey Zappe
Daniel Jones

Not exactly Murderer's Row.
Like Dish said, the defense may not be the problem, but I wouldn't hang my hat on them either.

The defense is fine.  In today's NFL, fine is fine
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wadesworld

Quote from: Pakuni on October 09, 2022, 02:12:06 PM
Kirk Cousins
Justin Fields
Tom Brady sans receivers
Bailey Zappe
Daniel Jones

Not exactly Murderer's Row.
Like Dish said, the defense may not be the problem, but I wouldn't hang my hat on them either.

Nobody's hanging their hat on the defense. But crying about it is pretty silly. The defense is fine. The offense being unable to put a drive together is the issue.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2022, 02:53:04 PM
Nobody's hanging their hat on the defense. But crying about it is pretty silly. The defense is fine. The offense being unable to put a drive together is the issue.

The QB refuses to run the ball.  People will pin that on LaFleur but it's the QB
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TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 09, 2022, 11:40:24 AM
Hot take...the Packers are kinda average.
So is Rodgers, since the SF playoff game last year. Can't seem to read the field anymore, lost his pinpoint accuracy, and his deep balls suck. Sad.
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wadesworld

Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 09, 2022, 11:40:24 AM
Hot take...the Packers are kinda average.

The good thing is they still play in the NFC North. Average wins you the division in the North.

MU82

Quote from: TSmith34 on October 10, 2022, 09:56:19 AM
So is Rodgers, since the SF playoff game last year. Can't seem to read the field anymore, lost his pinpoint accuracy, and his deep balls suck. Sad.

$50M doesn't buy you what it used to.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on October 10, 2022, 11:01:10 AM
$50M doesn't buy you what it used to.

Rodgers is the smartest guy in the room.  He'll figure it out.  By figuring it out, I mean who to blame that isn't him
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cheebs09

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2022, 03:21:26 PM
The QB refuses to run the ball.  People will pin that on LaFleur but it's the QB

Yea, I think he gets ultimate discretion at the line. We have no idea the run/pass mix that's being called. Also, LaFleur isnt going to call out Rodgers in the media.

Also, agree with the point regarding the deep ball. I don't know the last time Rodgers has been reliable on that. It seems like he's always 5 yards too far.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: cheebs09 on October 10, 2022, 11:26:11 AM
Yea, I think he gets ultimate discretion at the line. We have no idea the run/pass mix that's being called. Also, LaFleur isnt going to call out Rodgers in the media.

Also, agree with the point regarding the deep ball. I don't know the last time Rodgers has been reliable on that. It seems like he's always 5 yards too far.

I think on a lot of deep shots, the WR holds as much blame as the QB.  The deep ball from a lot of QBs is awful in the league right now
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I knew the Giants would win. My d-i-l went to the game. Her father takes her to a game away from Lambeau every year and they always lose (see Giants in 2013).

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

GB Warrior

The Packers are reaping what they sowed through a lot of hubris in their last couple of drafts. They drafted luxury (Love) or niche (DeGuara) players consistently in years past, and positions that have not historically been high-value returns (DT, ILB). They traded 2 2nd round picks for a what is currently a gadget player.

Talent wins out, and the Packers seemingly believed they could coach subpar talent into a contender. Thus far, they're wrong.

Jockey

Quote from: GB Warrior on October 11, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
The Packers are reaping what they sowed through a lot of hubris in their last couple of drafts. They drafted luxury (Love) or niche (DeGuara) players consistently in years past, and positions that have not historically been high-value returns (DT, ILB). They traded 2 2nd round picks for a what is currently a gadget player.

Talent wins out, and the Packers seemingly believed they could coach subpar talent into a contender. Thus far, they're wrong.

I think you are spot on here. I have never been a fan of Gutey's draft philosophy.

On the other hand, we all knew the beginning of the season was going to be rough, especially on offense. And I have always believed you try to build momentum through the middle of the season to be at your best late in the season. I still think that is very possible with this offense if they stay healthy.

The defense, on the other hand has been extremely disappointing. They were expected by many to be Top 5 or at least close to it. Instead they have been very average while going against a bunch of bums at QB. I worry what will happen when they play better than average offenses and QBs.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: GB Warrior on October 11, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
The Packers are reaping what they sowed through a lot of hubris in their last couple of drafts. They drafted luxury (Love) or niche (DeGuara) players consistently in years past, and positions that have not historically been high-value returns (DT, ILB). They traded 2 2nd round picks for a what is currently a gadget player.

Talent wins out, and the Packers seemingly believed they could coach subpar talent into a contender. Thus far, they're wrong.

Eh.  The players are fine.  The ability to reign in Rodgers' ego is too difficult, and the defense is playing Barry's zone when they should be playing man defense.

Just a lot of stupid crap that should be put squarely on the shoulders of MLF.

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