2025 Green Bay Packers Thread

[The Lens]

They're going to go with 4 or 5.  Unless there is an injury.

Somebody has been watching the Packers the last 25 years.

I think Ron Wolf would swing bigger but Ted / Gutey will stay in house and trust the coaching staff.

[The Sultan]

Somebody has been watching the Packers the last 25 years.

I think Ron Wolf would swing bigger but Ted / Gutey will stay in house and trust the coaching staff.

When Favre was young, the back ups were Brunnell and Detmer. They didn't get McMahon as a back up until '95, when Favre was well established as a starter.

[Lennys Tap]

What?
Career highlights and awards

    2× Super Bowl champion (I, II)
    2× Super Bowl MVP (I, II)
    5× NFL champion (1961, 1962, 1965–1967)
    NFL Most Valuable Player (1966)
    First-team All-Pro (1966)
    3× Second-team All-Pro (1961, 1962, 1964)
    4× Pro Bowl (1960–1962, 1966)
    4× NFL passer rating leader (1964, 1966, 1968, 1969)
    4× NFL completion percentage leader (1962, 1966, 1968, 1969)
    NFL 1960s All-Decade Team
    Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame
    Green Bay Packers No. 15 retired

You've said some things in the past, but this may be the dumbest.

Bart Starr played behind one of the greatest offensive lines ever and handed the ball to one of the greatest backfields ever. 2nd and long and 3rd and long were foreign concepts to those teams. He wasn't very mobile and didn't have a great arm. He had 152 TDs, 138 INTs and a QB rating of 80.4. He averaged 126 yards passing per game.

He was a game manager. Like Bob Griese. An excellent one (like Griese) to be sure, but a game manager nonetheless - surrounded for much of his career by Hall of Fame players. When the Packer dynasty was at its peak, he put up some great numbers. In other years, not so much.

[Hards Alumni]

Bart Starr played behind one of the greatest offensive lines ever and handed the ball to one of the greatest backfields ever. 2nd and long and 3rd and long were foreign concepts to those teams. He wasn't very mobile and didn't have a great arm. He had 152 TDs, 138 INTs and a QB rating of 80.4. He averaged 126 yards passing per game.

He was a game manager. Like Bob Griese. An excellent one (like Griese) to be sure, but a game manager nonetheless - surrounded for much of his career by Hall of Fame players. When the Packer dynasty was at its peak, he put up some great numbers. In other years, not so much.

Legitimately one of the funniest things that I've read on scoop.

Bart Starr is just like Brock Purdy.

The passing game in the 1960s is just like the 2020s.

[The Sultan]

Legitimately one of the funniest things that I've read on scoop.

Bart Starr is just like Brock Purdy.

Lenny's is really hitting it out of the park with his football observations this week. First, Justin Fields met expectations, and now Brock Purdy is just like Bart Starr.

[Lennys Tap]

Lenny's is really hitting it out of the park with his football observations this week. First, Justin Fields met expectations, and now Brock Purdy is just like Bart Starr.

You are a liar. I never said that Brock Purdy is "just like Bart Starr". I said that, like Purdy, Bart Starr looked better because he was surrounded by superstars. Which any honest person would concede. Hards never even saw Starr play, you likely didn't either.

The book isn't closed on Fields. So far he's been way better than 2 of the 3 QBs taken ahead of him. I won't be surprised if he eventually beats out Russell Wilson for the starting job in Pittsburgh.

[Hards Alumni]

You are a liar. I never said that Brock Purdy is "just like Bart Starr". I said that, like Purdy, Bart Starr looked better because he was surrounded by superstars. Which any honest person would concede. Hards never even saw Starr play, you likely didn't either.

The book isn't closed on Fields. So far he's been way better than 2 of the 3 QBs taken ahead of him. I won't be surprised if he eventually beats out Russell Wilson for the starting job in Pittsburgh.

No, you're off your ass.  Bart Starr was a top three QB for the decade of the 1960s.  The comparison falls apart right there.  It was a terrible analogy.

[The Sultan]

You are a liar. I never said that Brock Purdy is "just like Bart Starr". I said that, like Purdy, Bart Starr looked better because he was surrounded by superstars.

Uh...how did I lie? You compared him to Bart Starr. I never put "just like" in quotes claiming you literally said it, but you were obviously comparing them.

The book isn't closed on Fields. So far he's been way better than 2 of the 3 QBs taken ahead of him. I won't be surprised if he eventually beats out Russell Wilson for the starting job in Pittsburgh.

Maybe. It's not like beating out Russell Wilson means a lot these days.

But you said: "All in all Fields has pretty much met what were mixed expectations."

[The Lens]

When Favre was young, the back ups were Brunnell and Detmer. They didn't get McMahon as a back up until '95, when Favre was well established as a starter.

I see that as once he knew he had a Super Bowl team he knew he needed a guy who could go 2-2 for a month to tread water. Like when he went back to Doug Peterson and Steve Bono.  My belief is if you're a contender, spend on QB2...if you're just coming up develop it. 

[Lennys Tap]

Uh...how did I lie? You compared him to Bart Starr. I never put "just like" in quotes claiming you literally said it, but you were obviously comparing them.

WTF does whether you put just like in quotes or not have to do with anything? I put it in quotes because I was quoting your exact words - and your exact words intentionally distorted what I said. Which you do regularly.

[Lennys Tap]

Legitimately one of the funniest things that I've read on scoop.

Bart Starr is just like Brock Purdy.

The passing game in the 1960s is just like the 2020s.

You're a liar too. Never said he is just like Purdy in ability or accomplishments, only that they shared ONE characteristic - being somewhat overrated because they were surrounded by HOF players. Which is true.

[The Sultan]

WTF does whether you put just like in quotes or not have to do with anything? I put it in quotes because I was quoting your exact words - and your exact words intentionally distorted what I said. Which you do regularly.

Again, YOU were the one who compared them.  And now you are backing off that (ridiculous) comparison when it was pointed out that...uh...you compared them? Twice now.

You're a liar too. Never said he is just like Purdy in ability or accomplishments, only that they shared ONE characteristic - being somewhat overrated because they were surrounded by HOF players. Which is true.

See?  You did it again!!!!

[Lennys Tap]

Again, YOU were the one who compared them.  And now you are backing off that (ridiculous) comparison when it was pointed out that...uh...you compared them? Twice now.


See?  You did it again!!!!

I compared them regarding ONE common characteristic which they shared, not their overall ability or accomplishments. You implied the latter, which you knew was dishonest. But that's what a dishonest POS would do, so I'm certainly not surprised.

[The Sultan]

I compared them regarding ONE common characteristic which they shared, not their overall ability or accomplishments. You implied the latter, which you knew was dishonest. But that's what a dishonest POS would do, so I'm certainly not surprised.

LOL. OK.

Maybe next time stay away from the hot football takes if you don't want to be called out on them. You're not very good at this.

[Jockey]

Bart Starr played behind one of the greatest offensive lines ever and handed the ball to one of the greatest backfields ever. 2nd and long and 3rd and long were foreign concepts to those teams. He wasn't very mobile and didn't have a great arm. He had 152 TDs, 138 INTs and a QB rating of 80.4. He averaged 126 yards passing per game.

He was a game manager. Like Bob Griese. An excellent one (like Griese) to be sure, but a game manager nonetheless - surrounded for much of his career by Hall of Fame players. When the Packer dynasty was at its peak, he put up some great numbers. In other years, not so much.

As a huge Packers fan back to the days of Start, I agree completely. A team full of stars on both sides of the ball. Definitely not a Dan Marino type 

[Lennys Tap]

As a huge Packers fan back to the days of Start, I agree completely. A team full of stars on both sides of the ball. Definitely not a Dan Marino type

Thanks, Jockey. You know your sports and you watched while Starr played.

[Hards Alumni]

You're a liar too. Never said he is just like Purdy in ability or accomplishments, only that they shared ONE characteristic - being somewhat overrated because they were surrounded by HOF players. Which is true.

Bart Starr is considered a top three qb for a decade, and you called him a game manager.

You're a dumb ass.

[Hards Alumni]

As a huge Packers fan back to the days of Start, I agree completely. A team full of stars on both sides of the ball. Definitely not a Dan Marino type

Add another dumb ass to the pile.  No one suggested he was Dan Marino.

[The Lens]

Is this where I need to remind everyone that Tom Brady threw 3 INTs in the 2nd half at Lambeau and still won or that the Pats scored 13  points while the Rams only scored 3 in a Super Bowl?  Or that Brady lost to Eli Manning, twice?

Yet for some reason concensus is Tom Brady is the GOAT.   When in reality he's the biggest game manager we've ever seen. 

[The Sultan]

Is this where I need to remind everyone that Tom Brady threw 3 INTs in the 2nd half at Lambeau and still won or that the Pats scored 13  points while the Rams only scored 3 in a Super Bowl?  Or that Brady lost to Eli Manning, twice?

Yet for some reason concensus is Tom Brady is the GOAT.   When in reality he's the biggest game manager we've ever seen. 

I guess if you are going to cherry pick things from late in his career, but he was never considered a game manager at his peak.

I will also say that using a modern term like "game manager" to describe football in the 1960s is a little odd. This was a era where you threw less passes, but threw them further downfield. The results were lower completion percentages and more INTs. Starr was pretty good at getting the ball downfield and not getting it intercepted. He just didn't have to throw it as often.

[Lennys Tap]

Bart Starr is considered a top three qb for a decade, and you called him a game manager.

You're a dumb ass.

Guy threw for 126 yds per game, much of it after teams loaded the box with 8 defenders to try and stop an overpowering running game. Like Griese, he was an outstanding game manager, but a game manager nonetheless.

Jockey and I saw him play more than 100 games each. You saw zero, zip, nada but you're the expert because you looked up some stuff on the internet. Sorry, Hards, it's you and your know it all/know nothing buddy who are the dumbasses on this one.

[wadesworld]

League MVPs tend to be overrated game managers.

[Hards Alumni]

Guy threw for 126 yds per game, much of it after teams loaded the box with 8 defenders to try and stop an overpowering running game. Like Griese, he was an outstanding game manager, but a game manager nonetheless.

Jockey and I saw him play more than 100 games each. You saw zero, zip, nada but you're the expert because you looked up some stuff on the internet. Sorry, Hards, it's you and your know it all/know nothing buddy who are the dumbasses on this one.

LOL did you dunk in high school, too?  How well did the Packer games come in on your rabbit ears TV in Chicago?  Since the Packers didn't start getting local TV broadcasting until the 1960s, we can toss Bart Starr's first five seasons.  Now, assuming you were able to get the game where you were located (you couldn't), and IF you spent every single available chance watching Bart Starr play, you could have possibly seen him play exactly 134 times.  That's a pretty impressive amount, despite the games not being broadcast to your area!  But I'm to believe you and your assessment of Bart Starr's abilities when there is no game footage available of Bart Starr online to actually watch him play.  Hold up, this footage is readily available? 

So, instead, I need to trust your (failing) memory and take your word that you have an unclouded memory of Bart from over FIFTY years ago?  That he was nothing more than a game manager?  Sorry, I'll defer to the people who consider him one of the best to ever play the position, and not some random dipstick from Chicago who makes impossible claims.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/pro-football-101-bart-starr-ranks-no-50-on-all-time-list

Cut your losses here, grandpa.

[Lennys Tap]

LOL did you dunk in high school, too?  How well did the Packer games come in on your rabbit ears TV in Chicago?  Since the Packers didn't start getting local TV broadcasting until the 1960s, we can toss Bart Starr's first five seasons.  Now, assuming you were able to get the game where you were located (you couldn't), and IF you spent every single available chance watching Bart Starr play, you could have possibly seen him play exactly 134 times.  That's a pretty impressive amount, despite the games not being broadcast to your area!  But I'm to believe you and your assessment of Bart Starr's abilities when there is no game footage available of Bart Starr online to actually watch him play.  Hold up, this footage is readily available? 

So, instead, I need to trust your (failing) memory and take your word that you have an unclouded memory of Bart from over FIFTY years ago?  That he was nothing more than a game manager?  Sorry, I'll defer to the people who consider him one of the best to ever play the position, and not some random dipstick from Chicago who makes impossible claims.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/pro-football-101-bart-starr-ranks-no-50-on-all-time-list

Cut your losses here, grandpa.

Bart Starr was 1st team All Pro once (1966) in his career. He was surrounded by a guy who made it 7 times, a guy who made it 6 times, 4 guys who made it 5 times, a guy who made it 4 times, a guy who made it 3 times, 3 guys who made it twice and 7 guys who, like Bart, made it once. But you don't think he was surrounded by really good players who made him look better.

You can be the punk you are and insult me, Jockey, etc. all you want but I (we) know much more than you do about Marquette basketball, MLB, the NBA and the NFL regarding players who we grew up with and who played before you were born. For you to think otherwise is nothing more than your inflated ego and hubris talking.

Give it up, Junior.

[WhiteTrash]