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GB Warrior

Lots of draft capital and it should be mostly on defense save for a middle round RB and an OL, where you can never have enough. I could see like our response to Randy Moss, where our first 3 picks were secondary (only Mike McKenzie was any good)

Jockey

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 21, 2024, 11:31:25 AM
Lots of draft capital and it should be mostly on defense save for a middle round RB and an OL, where you can never have enough. I could see like our response to Randy Moss, where our first 3 picks were secondary (only Mike McKenzie was any good)

The OL was the 2nd best unit in the NFL in allowing the fewest QB pressures. Jenkins and Tom are playing at pro bowl level, but I still think they use a 2nd to get another one. And as we saw with 5 consecutive 100 yard games by AJ, the run blocking was nothing to sneer at.

But we just saw a team with ZERO Pro Bowlers show that they were better than the top 2 seeds with a combined 16 of them.

Fire JBC and get a guy who coaches a more aggressive style. Then get rid of Carlson and get ready for a wide open window.

Herman Cain

Quote from: Jockey on January 21, 2024, 11:47:01 AM
The OL was the 2nd best unit in the NFL in allowing the fewest QB pressures. Jenkins and Tom are playing at pro bowl level, but I still think they use a 2nd to get another one. And as we saw with 5 consecutive 100 yard games by AJ, the run blocking was nothing to sneer at.

But we just saw a team with ZERO Pro Bowlers show that they were better than the top 2 seeds with a combined 16 of them.

Fire JBC and get a guy who coaches a more aggressive style. Then get rid of Carlson and get ready for a wide open window.
The tell tale sign with Carlson is the 6 missed extra points. Bring in a lot of kickers and have a competition. 
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2024, 09:52:43 AM
I won't be surprised if 3 of the top 5 picks are in the secondary. 

They need to improve their tackling across the board.  The difference in tackling between them and the Niners was stark

I have no idea how the free agency market is shaping up for guys in the secondary, but the Packers will have the cap room to pursue expensive guys if they choose.  I hope they make a splash or two.  Drafting is so iffy whether they can play right away or ever.  And Packers have immediate needs everywhere in the secondary. Don't be Ted Thompson and think the draft alone will solve it. 

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: Herman Cain on January 21, 2024, 09:58:10 AM
Outlook for Packers is promising. #10 on the job learning panned out second half of season. Love his potential for further growth. Also, even though he can run , he is focused on being a pocket passer. I think that will keep him healthy. Sime of these planned run QBs are really getting banged up

Solid young receivers and offensive line , in another year or two both groups could become excellent .

NFC North may end up as toughest divison in league next year .

Could be.  Packers and Lions are playoff teams with young difference makers on both sides of the ball.  The Bears are loaded with high draft capital and improved a lot the 2nd half.  Looks like Minnesota is in for a rebuild, but division is getting better no question. 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 21, 2024, 12:54:09 PM
Could be.  Packers and Lions are playoff teams with young difference makers on both sides of the ball.  The Bears are loaded with high draft capital and improved a lot the 2nd half.  Looks like Minnesota is in for a rebuild, but division is getting better no question.

Antoine Winfield, L'Jarius Sneed, Kendall Fuller, Kyle Dugger and Kam Curl top secondary FA's.

Lot of edge rushers available depending on franchise tags
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Uncle Rico

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The Sultan

Truly surprised.

The philosophical direction is going to be interesting to see where they go. Wonder if they will take another look at Jim Leonhard? That will be a different style.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2024, 08:34:42 AM
Truly surprised.

The philosophical direction is going to be interesting to see where they go. Wonder if they will take another look at Jim Leonhard? That will be a different style.

No, I'd rather hire a DC that hasn't cut his teeth playing the Big Ten West
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wadesworld

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 08:45:22 AM
No, I'd rather hire a DC that hasn't cut his teeth playing the Big Ten West

That's exactly what I said to my friend.  And while he had some great defenses in the past, his more recent defenses weren't nearly as dominant.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 09:49:49 AM
That's exactly what I said to my friend.  And while he had some great defenses in the past, his more recent defenses weren't nearly as dominant.

The Wisconsin meathead association lead by the sports talk maroons will undoubtedly push him as a candidate but I sure hope it's not him.
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JWags85

The time to hire Leonhard was at his peak when buzz was high and people thought he could get the UW job...not when he spent the last season as an analyst for Bielema.

MUBurrow

How about Ejiro Evero, assuming he doesn't get the Panthers head job?  He's only been a defensive coordinator for two years, but one was Denver's in 2022 which was T-10, and last year the Panthers were 4th in the league in yards against (4th worst in points against, but that's what happens when you have a -9 TO margin).  He has some experience in Green Bay under Dom Capers, and coached the Super Bowl Rams' secondary.  He's only 43 and would seem to fit in well with the young staff age-wise.

The Sultan

Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 09:49:49 AM
That's exactly what I said to my friend.  And while he had some great defenses in the past, his more recent defenses weren't nearly as dominant.

Oh I agree. I was just wondering if that would happen. The other name the locals will push is Al Harris.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: MUBurrow on January 24, 2024, 10:22:19 AM
How about Ejiro Evero, assuming he doesn't get the Panthers head job?  He's only been a defensive coordinator for two years, but one was Denver's in 2022 which was T-10, and last year the Panthers were 4th in the league in yards against (4th worst in points against, but that's what happens when you have a -9 TO margin).  He has some experience in Green Bay under Dom Capers, and coached the Super Bowl Rams' secondary.  He's only 43 and would seem to fit in well with the young staff age-wise.

Choice number 1 for me.  Can be talked into Marquand Manuel
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wadesworld

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2024, 10:28:23 AM
Oh I agree. I was just wondering if that would happen. The other name the locals will push is Al Harris.

Yup.  And I hope they pass on him too.

Wink Martindale is probably my top choice.  Evero wouldn't be bad either.  Staley was very good as a DC, but not HC.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 10:35:59 AM
Yup.  And I hope they pass on him too.

Wink Martindale is probably my top choice.  Evero wouldn't be bad either.  Staley was very good as a DC, but not HC.

If they want a college guy, hire Jesse Minter from Michigan over Leonhard
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Jockey

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 10:43:29 AM
If they want a college guy, hire Jesse Minter from Michigan over Leonhard

I worry about him because Michigan has more NFL players on their roster (IMO) than any team in the NCAA. was it talent or was it coaching?


I would be good with Evero, Martindale, or even Ryan.

My big complaint was lack of aggressiveness under JBC and I think these guys would bring that.


Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2024, 11:23:17 AM
I worry about him because Michigan has more NFL players on their roster (IMO) than any team in the NCAA. was it talent or was it coaching?


I would be good with Evero, Martindale, or even Ryan.

My big complaint was lack of aggressiveness under JBC and I think these guys would bring that.

He wouldn't be in my top choices but if they went that route, he's the first call.

I want an NFL guy
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jficke13

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2024, 10:32:37 AM
Choice number 1 for me.  Can be talked into Marquand Manuel

There's a throwback name. I just checked his wikipedia and he's one of 19(!!!) children. Wowza.

Pakuni

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Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 10:35:59 AM
Yup.  And I hope they pass on him too.

Wink Martindale is probably my top choice.  Evero wouldn't be bad either.  Staley was very good as a DC, but not HC.

Was Staley a good DC, or did he just take over a fantastic system and personnel group assembled by Wade Phillips and manage to not f--- it up for a year?
His Charger defenses - of which he was the playcaller - were consistently bad despite being loaded with talent.

GB Warrior

Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2024, 11:23:17 AM
I worry about him because Michigan has more NFL players on their roster (IMO) than any team in the NCAA. was it talent or was it coaching?


I would be good with Evero, Martindale, or even Ryan.

My big complaint was lack of aggressiveness under JBC and I think these guys would bring that.

Evero would cost a crap ton of money and would be a risk to leave for a HC position every year. That's of course a good problem to have.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2024, 10:35:59 AM
Yup.  And I hope they pass on him too.

Wink Martindale is probably my top choice.  Evero wouldn't be bad either.  Staley was very good as a DC, but not HC.

A little old (90) but if he can recapture the magic of Tic-Tac-Dough he would be special.

The Lens

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 24, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Evero would cost a crap ton of money and would be a risk to leave for a HC position every year. That's of course a good problem to have.

To a high revenue team like GB, this is where you should create separation from peers.  No salary cap for coaches.  The Packers should be an SEC school --- a lot of millionaires on staff.   
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

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