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Jockey

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 28, 2023, 11:15:30 AM
I think he means he gets why MLF shouldn't be fired. And I don't think he should.

Aaah. I thought he meant JBC.

I agree. I would not fire MLF. But, I think Gutey does need to sit him down this offseason and work on the leadership aspect of being a HC.

This is a very important off-season. Some vets need to go and the draft should be a bonanza (1st, two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths). More youth next year. The HC needs to establish a team wide culture - something that he hasn't done a lot of, IMO.

Jockey

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 28, 2023, 11:37:16 AM
Joe Barry should have been fired into the sun last year.  They're not firing him for the rest of year because the scheme would be the same and no one on the defensive side will likely be back next year.  Also, I don't disagree with you.  I think NOT firing Joe Barry sends a bad message to the players and the fans.

MLF is in charge of his coordinators, that isn't a Mark Murphy or Brian Gutekunst decision.  It's Matt's.  He needs to be smarter in the future because he isn't looking like a head coach or leader right now.

I agree with all of your post.

MUfan12

I think the optics of a head coaching change would be bad around the league, but I'm not opposed.

Outsider's view and all... But I think having 12 hanging over every decision, often changing plays, etc. has limited the amount of authority MLF has been able to enact. He was often too deferential to the quarterback and I'm not sure he's found his footing again. Which with such a young group makes me nervous.

Then there's the issue of hiring his buddies and not being quick enough to make a change when they suck as coordinators...

The Sultan

The only "buddy" I see remaining is Tom Clements, who I think has been instrumental to the growth of Jordan Love.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

4everwarriors

Chit can MLF and hire T-Cube's BIL, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

cheebs09

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 28, 2023, 06:45:33 PM
The only "buddy" I see remaining is Tom Clements, who I think has been instrumental to the growth of Jordan Love.

I think he meant MLF's buddies. I'm not sure how many of his hires have been objectively bad hires at the time, but he coached with them before other than Barry.

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst


GB Warrior

Panthers are into the 4th and have 26 net passing yards. Feels like that should be an indictment of something

Jockey

Quote from: GB Warrior on December 31, 2023, 02:16:56 PM
Panthers are into the 4th and have 26 net passing yards. Feels like that should be an indictment of something

And Devito is benched.

Defense has quit playing for JBC completely. Hopefully they clean house on the defensive side of the ball. Half the starters should be gone.

GB Warrior

Mason misses two huge kicks that would have let the Packers control (piss away) their own destiny.

Telling myself it's all worth it when Barry is banished to a Russian high rise.

The Sultan

Packers could finish last in the division. Finish third and the Jets come to town next year. 😬😬😬
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 31, 2023, 03:17:00 PM
Packers could finish last in the division. Finish third and the Jets come to town next year. 😬😬😬

1. Want them to win tonight. Make next week matter is good for them experience wise

2. But, if they lose, and end up in last, last place schedule next year is nice
Guster is for Lovers

PointWarrior

Panthers score zero today after scoring 30 on the Packers.   Hopefully little flower can fire his buddy JBC. 

Herman Cain

#2614
Packers need this win tonight . Otherwise the final game with Bears becomes the Toilet Bowl
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

CreightonWarrior

Remember that time Christian Watson was active for a game?

PointWarrior

Remember the last time Christian Watson actually started a game but pulled a hammy in the game? 

Porcelain doll...

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on December 31, 2023, 06:39:49 PM
Remember that time Christian Watson was active for a game?

PointWarrior

Of course Crosby misses a FG for NYG that would have given the Packers control of their playoff destiny.

cheebs09

Quote from: PointWarrior on December 31, 2023, 06:45:52 PM
Of course Crosby misses a FG for NYG that would have given the Packers control of their playoff destiny.

Thanks to the Steelers, I think we do now.

tower912

The Packers control their destiny.   Impressive for a team with a terrible coach, terrible defensive coordinator, terrible quarterback, and terrible players.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2023, 06:54:07 PM
The Packers control their destiny.   Impressive for a team with a terrible coach, terrible defensive coordinator, terrible quarterback, and terrible players.

The DC is definitely terrible
Guster is for Lovers

Herman Cain

Reed is a fun player to watch. Excellent draft choice .
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Herman Cain

That Vikings FG would have been good from 64
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Uncle Rico

Old enough to remember people saying the kicker was the best player on the Packers.
Guster is for Lovers

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

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