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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Pakuni on June 10, 2021, 01:25:42 PM
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Supposed to be a recommendation coming today to expand the playoff.
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Big doings in Ann Arbor further tarnishing the legacy of Bo. MSU, PSU, OSU, now Michigan. Who will be next?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2021/06/10/bo-schembechler-statue-robert-anderson-sexual-assault-michigan-football/7635005002/
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2021/06/09/michigan-football-matt-bo-schembechler-sexual-assault-1969/7627659002/
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Supposed to be a recommendation coming today to expand the playoff.
12 teams. Top 6 conference champs.
Q-Finals on NYD
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Cool. Inevitable. Money to be made.
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12 teams. Top 6 conference champs.
Q-Finals on NYD
Four quarterfinal games on NYD would be awesome.
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Four quarterfinal games on NYD would be awesome.
Like the old days!
Yet, I worry about the semi's and title game in mid and late January. Talk is the semi's will not be a doubleheader. What day could they play. NFL has Sat/Sun on lockdown for the playoffs.
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Like the old days!
Yet, I worry about the semi's and title game in mid and late January. Talk is the semi's will not be a doubleheader. What day could they play. NFL has Sat/Sun on lockdown for the playoffs.
So if you use this year as an example, January 1 is a Saturday. Sunday, January 9 is the last NFL week and they don't schedule Saturday games the last week of the season, so you can play the semis on Saturday, January 8.
Then have the championship on a Monday night like always.
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12 teams. Top 6 conference champs.
Q-Finals on NYD
Excellent news. I might actually become a college football fan now.
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Supposed to be a recommendation coming today to expand the playoff.
maybe some games will be competitive now.
Eight seems ideal, but there's money to be made, so it will be 12 with four blowouts instead of two.
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So if you use this year as an example, January 1 is a Saturday. Sunday, January 9 is the last NFL week and they don't schedule Saturday games the last week of the season, so you can play the semis on Saturday, January 8.
Then have the championship on a Monday night like always.
The new NFL TV contract adds two Saturday games will take place during the final week of the regular season and will showcase matchups with playoff implications. Both of those games will be simulcast on ABC and ESPN.
I'm thinking the semi's will be a weeknight.
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They claim they care about the health and safety of players, but now the championship-game participants would have to play 15 or 16 games - the equivalent of an NFL season?
First, have an 11-game max regular season.
Second, no conference championship games, as they are not necessary at all with a true playoff system.
Third, make it 8 teams, not 12.
Or at least be honest and admit that you don’t give a rat’s rump about the indentured servants.
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They claim they care about the health and safety of players, but now the championship-game participants would have to play 15 or 16 games - the equivalent of an NFL season?
First, have an 11-game max regular season.
Second, no conference championship games, as they are not necessary at all with a true playoff system.
Third, make it 8 teams, not 12.
Or at least be honest and admit that you don’t give a rat’s rump about the indentured servants.
Teams that go deep into the D2 and D3 playoffs play 15 games over a shorter timeframe. I don't recall any outrage over them in the past.
And its not the "equivalent of an NFL season." The majority of NFL teams play 17 games minimum (versus 12 in the NCAAs) and playoff teams can then play up to four additional playoff games - so 21.
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Teams that go deep into the D2 and D3 playoffs play 15 games over a shorter timeframe. I don't recall any outrage over them in the past.
And its not the "equivalent of an NFL season." The majority of NFL teams play 17 games minimum (versus 12 in the NCAAs) and playoff teams can then play up to four additional playoff games - so 21.
You're right about D2 and D3. Those seasons are too long, also.
So far in NFL history, the majority of teams did not play 17 games; this season, yes, they will. The pros who will play 20 or 21 games -- and even those who only play a few games before suffering season-ending injuries -- are compensated well for the risks they take.
I happen to think it's too much to ask of college kids -- it's my opinion -- and I also think the powers-that-be don't give a shyte about the health and safety of the unpaid employees who line everybody else's pockets.
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You're right about D2 and D3. Those seasons are too long, also.
So far in NFL history, the majority of teams did not play 17 games; this season, yes, they will. The pros who will play 20 or 21 games -- and even those who only play a few games before suffering season-ending injuries -- are compensated well for the risks they take.
A positively Chicosesque goalpost shift. Well done.
I happen to think it's too much to ask of college kids -- it's my opinion -- and I also think the powers-that-be don't give a shyte about the health and safety of the unpaid employees who line everybody else's pockets.
I think you are by and large wrong that they don't give a shyte. As usual, hyperbolic nonsense doesn't help your arguments.
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The pros play preseason games too. That adds to the workload. I’m thinking the practice commitments are greater for pros as well.
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You're right about D2 and D3. Those seasons are too long, also.
So far in NFL history, the majority of teams did not play 17 games; this season, yes, they will. The pros who will play 20 or 21 games -- and even those who only play a few games before suffering season-ending injuries -- are compensated well for the risks they take.
I happen to think it's too much to ask of college kids -- it's my opinion -- and I also think the powers-that-be don't give a shyte about the health and safety of the unpaid employees who line everybody else's pockets.
Why don't we just ask the kids if they want to play more games instead of pretending to know what they want.
I can promise you, that players on National Championship contenders will want to play the extra games if they have a shot to win it all.
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Why don't we just ask the kids if they want to play more games instead of pretending to know what they want.
They'll play whatever their masters tell them to.
I think you are by and large wrong that they don't give a shyte.
And I think you are by and large wrong that they do.
What we all know they really give a shyte about is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ... but if it's central to your argument that they really care deeply about the welfare of their unpaid employees, knock yourself out!
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They'll play whatever their masters tell them to.
Oh good, just what this thread needed. Some unnecessary and incendiary dog whistling.
More and more players sit out bowl games. And we saw players sit out the COVID year. Thats not the same as an expanded playoff. They would be better off sitting out games against FCS Northwest early in the season than conference championships or playoffs if players were fearful about safety over titles.
Trying to wedge in a "pay the players argument" in a situation that would open the National Championship up to more contenders every year is stupid. Especially since every game added would mean something. Its not like we are talking about another 5 meaningless bowl games.
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All slippery slope arguments are slippery slopes, but the players are suffering from a lack of represenation here. Sure the D2 and D3 seasons may already be longer. But when the NFL extended its season, it did so at the cost of preseason games. Here, top teams are getting booked into additional games with no additional benefit. The fact that the games "mean something" now is a problem in that now players really can't sit out the bowl games if their team is ranked #12 and the game now "means something."
I don't think its out of bounds to say that if you want to extend the playoff, then each individual player's maximum number of games stays capped at 15 or whatever. That way if Clemson really wants to schedule Troy in the first week of the year, fine, but they better make sure if they want to play Trevor Lawrence in that game that the national championship wouldn't be his 18th game.
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All slippery slope arguments are slippery slopes, but the players are suffering from a lack of represenation here. Sure the D2 and D3 seasons may already be longer. But when the NFL extended its season, it did so at the cost of preseason games. Here, top teams are getting booked into additional games with no additional benefit. The fact that the games "mean something" now is a problem in that now players really can't sit out the bowl games if their team is ranked #12 and the game now "means something."
I don't think its out of bounds to say that if you want to extend the playoff, then each individual player's maximum number of games stays capped at 15 or whatever. That way if Clemson really wants to schedule Troy in the first week of the year, fine, but they better make sure if they want to play Trevor Lawrence in that game that the national championship wouldn't be his 18th game.
Nobody would play 18 games.
Most would continue to play 12 (no bowl) or 13 (bowl).
A few would play 14 with a conference championship game, a bowl and/or a first round playoff appearance.
Only four would play 15 or 16.
In reality this will only impact four teams playing one or two additional games.
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Here, top teams are getting booked into additional games with no additional benefit. The fact that the games "mean something" now is a problem in that now players really can't sit out the bowl games if their team is ranked #12 and the game now "means something."
I don’t see how there is no additional benefit. Suddenly a slip up at BC or Cal or Mississippi St in October/Nov no longer ends your season. And save for a unique situation or two, the teams that would be in the running for the expanded playoff would normally be in New Years Day bowls. And those are marquee games players wouldn’t be skipping anyways. The year CMC skipped, they were in the Sun Bowl. That’s one of the worthless bowls. That’s not featuring teams that would be in play.
And FWIW, I’m fully in support of NLI and other player compensation models. I’m not of the “they get scholarships, shut up and play”. But these guys are still competitors and gamers. There is benefit for the schools and networks with more playoffs, of course. But let’s not act like the guys shown crying on the sidelines every year after losing big games near the end of their career are thinking “oh no, I need to play another couple games” instead of being thrilled with the chance to stay in the title race.
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In reality this will only impact four teams playing one or two additional games.
Sure, but there is a frog in a pot of boiling water element here. And again, my issue is lack of representation. If someone were representing the players interests here, and they agree to it, fine. But they aren't and so there is no offsetting gain to the players each time this happens.
I don’t see how there is no additional benefit...
And FWIW, I’m fully in support of NLI and other player compensation models. I’m not of the “they get scholarships, shut up and play”. But these guys are still competitors and gamers. There is benefit for the schools and networks with more playoffs, of course. But let’s not act like the guys shown crying on the sidelines every year after losing big games near the end of their career are thinking “oh no, I need to play another couple games” instead of being thrilled with the chance to stay in the title race.
I agree about the passion these guys have for the game. But to add games that will gross millions and millions of dollars, you gotta pay the players in something other than passion for their extra trouble. Pointing to their love of the game and the value of scholarships is how we got to this joke of amateurism in the first place, and I'm concerned pointing to the competitive benefit sort of doubles down on that.
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OK, apologies for some of the language I've used that bothers some folks. I'll try to tone it down ...
First, can't we all agree that if the playoff is expanded to 12 teams, conference championship games absolutely should go? One of the big arguments for them was that they served as "de facto playoff games." Well, we'll no longer need de facto playoff games; we'll have actual playoff games -- 4 rounds of 'em!
Let the body of work -- the regular season -- decide the playoff teams and the seeding.
College football's powers-that-be argued for decades that a playoff wasn't necessary and that it only would water down the importance of the regular season. Now, they are embracing a watering down. And let's please be honest as to the one and only reason they are embracing it: $$$$$$$$$.
So that's one less game right there if the powers-that-be will choose what's good for the athletes over the $$$$$$$$. But I'm pretty sure they won't. And I'm sorry ... IMHO that's bad, especially with all the lip service the bigwigs give to the health and safety of the "student-athletes." Others obviously are free to disagree.
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How would you determine conference champion in a conference with 2 divisions. The Big Ten as an example where one division is vastly superior to the other.
Not to mention the money the schools would be passing up.
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OK, apologies for some of the language I've used that bothers some folks. I'll try to tone it down ...
First, can't we all agree that if the playoff is expanded to 12 teams, conference championship games absolutely should go? One of the big arguments for them was that they served as "de facto playoff games." Well, we'll no longer need de facto playoff games; we'll have actual playoff games -- 4 rounds of 'em!
Let the body of work -- the regular season -- decide the playoff teams and the seeding.
College football's powers-that-be argued for decades that a playoff wasn't necessary and that it only would water down the importance of the regular season. Now, they are embracing a watering down. And let's please be honest as to the one and only reason they are embracing it: $$$$$$$$$.
So that's one less game right there if the powers-that-be will choose what's good for the athletes over the $$$$$$$$. But I'm pretty sure they won't. And I'm sorry ... IMHO that's bad, especially with all the lip service the bigwigs give to the health and safety of the "student-athletes." Others obviously are free to disagree.
Based off the proposal, conference championships still greatly matter.
You can only get 1 of the 4 byes by being a conference champion. Being one of the 6 best champions is what gets you an automatic ticket.
Also, it provides us all a chance to point at laugh at Notre Dame. Because under this proposal they could literally be 13-0 with 7 top 5 wins and still not be allowed to have a bye.
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Conference championship games are great! And essential in this system. Why would you get rid of them?
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Never mind.
More games! Give us more, more, more!
And we care DEEPLY about the safety of our student-athletes, no matter what anyone says!
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Never mind.
More games! Give us more, more, more!
And we care DEEPLY about the safety of our student-athletes, no matter what anyone says!
I would be very surprised if any player is too upset by this. A greater opportunity to play for a championship. It’s not like a random non-conference game is being added or pre-season. Plus, as others have said. It’s only a few teams impacted.
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Never mind.
More games! Give us more, more, more!
And we care DEEPLY about the safety of our student-athletes, no matter what anyone says!
Stop being obtuse. Players could want to be compensated and ALSO want a larger opportunity to play and compete for championships.
It seems to me you're the one crafting the argument that players are vehemetly against this and are being forced to play against their will. Like playing for championships isn't one of the core reasons they play.
I personally know about 8-10 college football players that played at the D-1 level within the last decade that would think your argument is silly and doesn't at all speak for them. You act like players are boycotting seasons until NLI or pay to play is established.
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Hyperbole and strawmen are the cornerstones of most of his arguments.
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Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly eliminated any drama about who will be under center for the Fighting Irish's Sept. 5 season opener at Florida State, when he announced Saturday that Wisconsin transfer Jack Coan will begin the season as the team's starting quarterback. Coan led the Badgers to a 10-4 record in 2019 with appearances in the Big Ten title game and Rose Bowl before missing the 2020 season with a broken foot.
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ND with a former Badger quarterback. So much to dislike.
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Big 10 announced this morning that it won't reschedule games if a team has a COVID outbreak, and instead that team will forfeit.
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Big 10 announced this morning that it won't reschedule games if a team has a COVID outbreak, and instead that team will forfeit.
Unless Ohio State needs a resume boost before the CFP
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Unless Ohio State needs a resume boost before the CFP
School requires vaccination to attend.
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Can't wait for Saturday! Meat on the bone.
11am (FOX): #19 Penn State at #12 Wisconsin
2:30 PM (ABC): #1 Alabama vs. #14 Miami (FL)
2:30 PM (BTN) #17 Indiana at #18 Iowa
3:30 PM (FOX): #23 Louisiana at #21 Texas
6:30 PM (ABC): #5 Georgia vs. #3 Clemson
7:30 PM (FOX): #16 LSU at UCLA
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Minny up 14-10 on Ohio St. at the half.
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Minny up 14-10 on Ohio St. at the half.
Glad OSU won. It is in MU’s best interest that Minny football program is suppressed , as we tend to compete with them for basketball recruits .
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Those are some UGLY unis for Northwestern.
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Kansas Fans storm field after 17-14 win over FCS South Dakota. Team had not won a game for two years .
https://www.cjonline.com/story/sports/2021/09/03/kansas-football-fans-storm-field-after-win-vs-south-dakota-lance-leipold/5726652001/
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here we go. finally back
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Neither Penn St or Whisky look particularly good to me. Except the transfer RB on Wisconsin.
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Mertz well on his way to a sophomore slump. Not easy to watch.
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wisc lack of a receving core hurts them every year. being known as a power running team leaves them with medicorce wrs year after year. i dont even remeber the last time they had a star wr
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Maybe it's me but a good team would be rolling Wisconsin right now. Neither of these teams will do much this season.
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With a better QB penn state would be up a ton. So many blown coverages in the 2nd half that the Clifford has either missed the WR or under has underthrown the WR letting Wisconsin at least catch up.
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I for one would have built my schedule differently to build up the illusion of having CFP hopes.
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That’s the right call on PSU
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It looks like Whisky will escape with the win. Pemn St. missed a 24 yrd FG and an extra point.
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That’s the right call on PSU
sure but bs rule.to disqulaify
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Penn St. blows another opportunity. Wow.
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sure but bs rule.to disqulaify
Disagree. That’s the kind of garbage that needs to be cleaned up in football. Best way to get players attention is being booted from the game
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It looks like Whisky will escape with the win. Pemn St. missed a 24 yrd FG and an extra point.
oof
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Disagree. That’s the kind of garbage that needs to be cleaned up in football. Best way to get players attention is being booted from the game
nah i mean it wasnt intentional or malcious. just guys playin fast late in game.
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Mertz crumbled under pressure so many times today.
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Well that was a fun season for the Badgers.
Graham Mertz was the number 1 rated pro style quarterback recruit in the country. LOL!
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nah i mean it wasnt intentional or malcious. just guys playin fast late in game.
Guy made no effort to aim lower than Mertz’s head and had time to do so
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The game isn't over. Penn St. is capable of a debacle and handing UW the game. Both of these teams are very mediocre.
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Mertz crumbled under pressure so many times today.
He’ll get one more chance here
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WTH is Franklin doing? What is this coverage?
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Wow....#13 was wide open.
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I was told by many people in Madison Mertz "would be the best QB in the country" this year. It's a small sample size but I'm gonna say no to that one.
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Brad Davison has to be better at quarterback than Graham Mertz, doesn’t he? And clearly his future in basketball is some mid level league overseas at best. So maybe it’d be in his best option to make that move too.
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Coan was gonna be the savior. Then Mertz was a viable Heisman candidate and the one to lead them to the promised land. Welp, whose on deck?
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Mertz with no field vision the entire game. And Bucky's inability to manage simple hand offs killed them more than once.
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Coan was gonna be the savior. Then Mertz was a viable Heisman candidate and the one to lead them to the promised land. Welp, whose on deck?
I also agree with CreightonWarrior about the Whisky defense. Every time I flipped the channel the PSU QB overthrew wide open receivers. They probably should have won by three touchdowns.
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Going from the UW vs. PSU game to the Miami vs. Bama game is comical. The speed on the field makes it look like an entirely different sport.
I now understand why Badger fans still hold onto the Rose Bowl as a big accomplishment. Nobody in the B1G can beat OSU because they are the only ones who have adapted the spread offense. Even the best defenses playing their best football will only be able to hold them to 24 points at best. And everyone else plays ground and pound, old school B1G football and can’t score more than 24 points. But the problem is they can’t recruit the athletes to play a spread offense. So they’re really just screwed. Best case is win the terrible B1G West, lose to OSU by 20+, and celebrate a great season ending in a meaningless Rose Bowl loss. But that’s really their best case scenario.
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Going from the UW vs. PSU game to the Miami vs. Bama game is comical. The speed on the field makes it look like an entirely different sport.
I now understand why Badger fans still hold onto the Rose Bowl as a big accomplishment. Nobody in the B1G can beat OSU because they are the only ones who have adapted the spread offense. Even the best defenses playing their best football will only be able to hold them to 24 points at best. And everyone else plays ground and pound, old school B1G football and can’t score more than 24 points. But the problem is they can’t recruit the athletes to play a spread offense. So they’re really just screwed. Best case is win the terrible B1G West, lose to OSU by 20+, and celebrate a great season ending in a meaningless Rose Bowl loss. But that’s really their best case scenario.
I'm no college football expert but your reasoning here seems spot-on to me. I feel like when I watch the top SEC teams they are at a completely different level than the B14 West. It's kind of like MU vs Cardinal Strich in hoops. Exactly, speed kills.
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Mertz with no field vision the entire game. And Bucky's inability to manage simple hand offs killed them more than once.
And when he actual sees the right route and throw, like the final play, he throws a mangled ball.
Going from the UW vs. PSU game to the Miami vs. Bama game is comical. The speed on the field makes it look like an entirely different sport.
I now understand why Badger fans still hold onto the Rose Bowl as a big accomplishment. Nobody in the B1G can beat OSU because they are the only ones who have adapted the spread offense. Even the best defenses playing their best football will only be able to hold them to 24 points at best. And everyone else plays ground and pound, old school B1G football and can’t score more than 24 points. But the problem is they can’t recruit the athletes to play a spread offense. So they’re really just screwed. Best case is win the terrible B1G West, lose to OSU by 20+, and celebrate a great season ending in a meaningless Rose Bowl loss. But that’s really their best case scenario.
Not only can they not, the fan base has this perverse pride and obsession with 4 yards and a cloud of dust style offense
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Badgers are exactly who've they've been for the last 20 years. Well coached, talent at one skill position. That combinations will be able to beat 85% of teams out there, but once they come across a team that has more actual athletes than them, they'll fold. Didn't think PSU was very good, but the Badgers made way too many mistakes at crucial times to win the game. Their season's over, I don't have to hear people talk about them at work so I'm happy, they'll probably still win the B10 West, but no CFP so who cares.
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Miami is not back.
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I will be surprised if Graham Mertz finishes his college career in Madison.
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Badgers are exactly who've they've been for the last 20 years. Well coached, talent at one skill position. That combinations will be able to beat 85% of teams out there, but once they come across a team that has more actual athletes than them, they'll fold. Didn't think PSU was very good, but the Badgers made way too many mistakes at crucial times to win the game. Their season's over, I don't have to hear people talk about them at work so I'm happy, they'll probably still win the B10 West, but no CFP so who cares.
When your team is slow and has a one dimensional offense, mistakes are deadly.
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As I understand it schools like Ohio State and Marquette require that all students be vaccinated but Madison does not. Anyone know the reasoning behind this?
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Wisconsin state law has a pretty broad exception policy - for medical, religious or "personal conviction" reasons. A lot of schools believe that a mandate draws a line in the sand, and that requiring them to file an exemption means they aren't going to change their mind easily.
I have no idea what Ohio's state law is though.
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As I understand it schools like Ohio State and Marquette require that all students be vaccinated but Madison does not. Anyone know the reasoning behind this?
Madison does not. But you must be tested weekly if you are not vaccinated. Currently, over 88% of students are fully vaccinated and 91% of students have received at least one dose. Also, 92% of employees are fully vaccinated.
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Any Madison loss is a good loss. If ND falls tomorrow, it will be a perfect college football weekend!
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Any Madison loss is a good loss. If ND falls tomorrow, it will be a perfect college football weekend!
Least favorite college sports teams:
1.UW basketball
2.UW basketball
3.UW basketball
4.UW basketball
5.UW basketball
6.UW basketball
7.UW basketball
8.UW basketball
9.UW football
10.Any basketball team not Marquette
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Least favorite college sports teams:
1.UW basketball
2.UW basketball
3.UW basketball
4.UW basketball
5.UW basketball
6.UW basketball
7.UW basketball
8.UW basketball
9.UW football
10.Any basketball team not Marquette
I like that list … though I do separate football from basketball.
My two favorite college football teams are whoever is playing Madison and ND in a given week.
Basketball … hard to argue with your list!
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I was told by many people in Madison Mertz "would be the best QB in the country" this year. It's a small sample size but I'm gonna say no to that one.
Maybe he should have spent less time working in a personal logo and selling gear….
https://grahammertzshop.com/
And how about this Vanderbilt Commodores, everyone?
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Maybe he should have spent less time working in a personal logo and selling gear….
https://grahammertzshop.com/
And how about this Vanderbilt Commodores, everyone?
Losing by 20 to an FCS school who went 7-11 the last 2 seasons isn’t good?
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The ACC sucks, so Clemson will still win lots of conference games with defense, coaching and running. But Trevor Lawrence ain't walking through that door.
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Rough day for the Pac-12.
#20 Washington lost to Montana of the FCS level.
Washington State lost to Utah State
Cal lost to Nevada.
UCLA help the cause with a big win over #16 LSU.
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So the Badgers kept the wrong QB.
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So the Badgers kept the wrong QB.
I bet Mertz would look like a different QB elsewhere.
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I bet Mertz would look like a different QB elsewhere.
Yep. I think the lack of talent at the receiver position is a problem for UW too.
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Wow, Joe Tessitore, what an obnoxious call tonight. Lighten up buddy, it’s a college football game, not the fate of the world riding on the outcome, with every storyline within the game overhyped and overdramatized
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Man ND blowing an 18 pt lead would have been a fantastic ending to an opening weekend of CFB.
Would have been an incredible story for Milton
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Wow, Joe Tessitore, what an obnoxious call tonight. Lighten up buddy, it’s a college football game, not the fate of the world riding on the outcome, with every storyline within the game overhyped and overdramatized
Abysmal announcer. Well said Hutch. :)
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Abysmal announcer. Well said Hutch. :)
One of the worst play by play I’ve ever heard. Is he really ESPN/ ABC no 1 guy?!?
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One of the worst play by play I’ve ever heard. Is he really ESPN/ ABC no 1 guy?!?
Isn't it still Fowler? I dunno. I just remember finding Tessatore unlistenable and insufferable the first time I heard him on a broadcast. That's exactly right. He should give me a call if he wants to use hyperbole effectively. :)
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Isn't it still Fowler? I dunno. I just remember finding Tessatore unlistenable and insufferable the first time I heard him on a broadcast. That's exactly right. He should give me a call if he wants to use hyperbole effectively. :)
I thought it’s Fowler too, hopefully so.
Except for when the Packers play, I’ve paid little attention to MNF over the past several years, but can see clearly why Tessitore was dumped from that gig.
It wasn’t that long ago we were still listening to icons like Keith Jackson, Verne Lundquist, Musberger call the top games. What a come down from those days.
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I thought it’s Fowler too, hopefully so.
Except for when the Packers play, I’ve paid little attention to MNF over the past several years, but can see clearly why Tessitore was dumped from that gig.
It wasn’t that long ago we were still listening to icons like Keith Jackson, Verne Lundquist, Musberger call the top games. What a come down from those days.
Fowler is at the USOpen. I'm not a huge college football guy but I do remember that Keith Jackson was fantastic. My take is Ian Eagle is the best overall announcer but I'm not sure he does college football. I guess Verne is done with football? He has always been outstanding.
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Fowler is at the USOpen. I'm not a huge college football guy but I do remember that Keith Jackson was fantastic. My take is Ian Eagle is the best overall announcer but I'm not sure he does college football. I guess Verne is done with football? He has always been outstanding.
Huge Ian Eagle fan too. Think he was on the call for our comeback against Davidson. 😁
Verne is retired unfortunately.
What any good play by play announcer understands is it’s not about them and they’re not trying to be bigger than the game they’re calling. Which is unfortunately lost on the hack who called tonight’s game. Took away from an exciting game too.
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Huge Ian Eagle fan too. Think he was on the call for our comeback against Davidson. 😁
Verne is retired unfortunately.
What any good play by play announcer understands is it’s not about them and they’re not trying to be bigger than the game they’re calling. Which is unfortunately lost on the hack who called tonight’s game. Took away from an exciting game too.
Great points. And that's exactly why Eagle is so good and a total pro. Verne did the 2003 MU S16 and E8 games. "There are some maneuvers for which there is no defense." :)
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One of the worst play by play I’ve ever heard. Is he really ESPN/ ABC no 1 guy?!?
Chris Fowler #1
Sean McDonough #2
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Wow, Joe Tessitore, what an obnoxious call tonight. Lighten up buddy, it’s a college football game, not the fate of the world riding on the outcome, with every storyline within the game overhyped and overdramatized
He is solid at play by play. Everything else is poor. Overhyped the great opening weekend of games. Saying in the "history". Please, it was about 5 years ago we had seven match up vs ranked match ups. Tess needs to learn his history.
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One of the worst play by play I’ve ever heard. Is he really ESPN/ ABC no 1 guy?!?
Why would you waste your #1 guy on Notre Dame? Maybe use the thursday Night MAC Conference guy instead.
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Brad Davison has to be better at quarterback than Graham Mertz, doesn’t he? And clearly his future in basketball is some mid level league overseas at best. So maybe it’d be in his best option to make that move too.
Davison iz a nut job, aina?
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Two blows to the Big Ten.
Michigan star WR Ronnie Bell's season-ending leg injury.
PJ Fleck confirmed Monday that running back Mohamed Ibrahim will miss the remainder of the season after suffering a lower leg injury.
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College students. Always innovative, hey?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/09/06/college-footballs-new-chant-is-amazing-and-very-much-appropriate-n2595375
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Heer, heer, hey?
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Sam "Bam" Cunningham, former USC star and long-time NFL fullback, died today.
After Cunningham and USC battered Bama in 1970, Bear Bryant starting to recruit Black kids.
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¡El Assicoooooooooo!
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¡El Assicoooooooooo!
https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1436688029259898881?s=21
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HUGE win for Oregon on the road in Columbus. Down their defensive stars but OSU is the one whose D looked terrible.
Happy for Mario Cristobal. Dude got a raw deal at FIU and has really taken advantage of every opportunity after it
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HUGE win for Oregon on the road in Columbus. Down their defensive stars but OSU is the one whose D looked terrible.
Happy for Mario Cristobal. Dude got a raw deal at FIU and has really taken advantage of every opportunity after it
Didn't see it, but I liked seeing the final score!
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Lol Paul Chryst should probably give up play calling. It’s also a bold strategy playing a QB at Wisconsin that can’t hand the ball off.
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Lol Paul Chryst should probably give up play calling. It’s also a bold strategy playing a QB at Wisconsin that can’t hand the ball off.
I thought Whisky's season was over?
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Proud to be an American.
https://twitter.com/tsn_sports/status/1436840375403094024?s=21
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Proud to be an American.
https://twitter.com/tsn_sports/status/1436840375403094024?s=21
and then murder it while they fight over who gets to show it off.
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Texas is not back.
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Abbot is probably in charge of the football team, too.
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FSU lost to Jacksonville State. I was going to flip the channel as I thought JSU had no chance on the final play. :P
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1436902199037149184
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FSU lost to Jacksonville State. I was going to flip the channel as I thought JSU had no chance on the final play. :P
https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1436902199037149184
Makes ND blowing an 18-point lead to that mediocre team look even worse. And then ND barely beat Toledo.
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Texas is not back.
Texas football in the SEC
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USC has fired Clay Helton.
How long before Urban flees Jacksonville? Or does Lane get a second chance in LA? (Hollywood loves a comeback story)
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Well Urban Meyer is certainly going to get a look here, and if things completely fall apart in Jacksonville, a Bobby Petrino like exit from the NFL could definitely occur.
But then you will hear names like James Franklin. Or even Luke Fickell who Bohn (their AD) hired at Cincinnati.
I do expect them to not hire a "USC guy" because I think Bohn was hired to specifically move them away from that mindset.
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USC has fired Clay Helton.
How long before Urban flees Jacksonville? Or does Lane get a second chance in LA? (Hollywood loves a comeback story)
I think Urban needs a full season to fail, have a health condition flare up, and then a year to magically recover. Seems too soon.
Kiffin is petty as hell, I don't think he'd go back after what they did last time, and honestly I think hes found a REALLY good spot at Ole Miss. He succeeds there and he'll have a bunch of options.
The lists that have come out have had some :o names. Greg Schiano? Maybe a decade ago. PJ Fleck? One pretty good season in 4 at Minnesota, that you still lost to Iowa and UW is enough to garner a promotion? Joe f-ing Moorhead? The guy who was mediocre at Miss St literally 2 years ago?
I think Fickell is interesting. Maybe throw money at Chris Petersen. Matt Campbell is a good coach, sure, but I can't see him working out West. I think Cristobal is happy in Eugene. Joe Brady is an interesting name.
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I think Urban needs a full season to fail, have a health condition flare up, and then a year to magically recover. Seems too soon.
Kiffin is petty as hell, I don't think he'd go back after what they did last time, and honestly I think hes found a REALLY good spot at Ole Miss. He succeeds there and he'll have a bunch of options.
The lists that have come out have had some :o names. Greg Schiano? Maybe a decade ago. PJ Fleck? One pretty good season in 4 at Minnesota, that you still lost to Iowa and UW is enough to garner a promotion? Joe f-ing Moorhead? The guy who was mediocre at Miss St literally 2 years ago?
I think Fickell is interesting. Maybe throw money at Chris Petersen. Matt Campbell is a good coach, sure, but I can't see him working out West. I think Cristobal is happy in Eugene. Joe Brady is an interesting name.
Joe Brady is worth kicking the tires on. Franklin has been connected to that job in the past which leads me to believe it’s something he’ll consider.
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I think Urban needs a full season to fail, have a health condition flare up, and then a year to magically recover. Seems too soon.
Kiffin is petty as hell, I don't think he'd go back after what they did last time, and honestly I think hes found a REALLY good spot at Ole Miss. He succeeds there and he'll have a bunch of options.
Playing in an SEC West with Bama, A&M, LSU and one of Texas or Oklahoma would seem to doom any hopes Kiffin has of making the playoffs ... maybe even if the playoffs are expanded to eight. Ole Miss is a job with a definite ceiling, and that ceiling isn't competing for a national title.
As for being petty, you're probably right, but all the people who did him dirty at USC - namely Pat Haden - are long gone.
If USC wanted him back - and that's admittedly a big if - I think he'd be hard-pressed to find a better gig. It's still an elite brand in college football, the recruiting turf is hard to beat and the Pac 12 is winnable every year.
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Dennis Dodd said the SC job is Fickell’s to turn down. But that he might just do that.
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Playing in an SEC West with Bama, A&M, LSU and one of Texas or Oklahoma would seem to doom any hopes Kiffin has of making the playoffs ... maybe even if the playoffs are expanded to eight. Ole Miss is a job with a definite ceiling, and that ceiling isn't competing for a national title.
As for being petty, you're probably right, but all the people who did him dirty at USC - namely Pat Haden - are long gone.
If USC wanted him back - and that's admittedly a big if - I think he'd be hard-pressed to find a better gig. It's still an elite brand in college football, the recruiting turf is hard to beat and the Pac 12 is winnable every year.
I agree. I didn't mean he's a lifer at Ole Miss, but its a great high major spot to continue the Kiffin Redemption Tour. He can play his style of football and if he goes 10-3 and makes a major bowl, he's king. Look at Hugh Freeze, before the scandals he was king of Oxford. Ole Miss wants success but they aren't overly delusional.
As for your statements on USC, I totally agree. Regardless of recent foibles, its still a top 5 job for me, if not top 3. I just don't know if its his goal anymore. If I had to guess, I think he has 3-4 good years at Ole Miss and takes a better job in the South.
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The Athletic polled 100 people working in college football to rank the best coaching jobs.
Results:
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Texas
5. LSU
6. USC
7. Clemson
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Florida
The rest: Michigan, Texas A&M, Miami, Oregon, Florida State, Penn State, North Carolina, Northwestern(?).
Not big surprises at the top, but didn't expect to see UNC and Northwestern ahead of places like Wisconsin, UCLA, Tennessee and Washington.
https://theathletic.com/2827321/2021/09/15/what-are-the-top-5-jobs-in-college-football-we-polled-over-100-coaches-and-staffers-to-find-out/
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The Athletic polled 100 people working in college football to rank the best coaching jobs.
Results:
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Texas
5. LSU
6. USC
7. Clemson
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Florida
The rest: Michigan, Texas A&M, Miami, Oregon, Florida State, Penn State, North Carolina, Northwestern(?).
Not big surprises at the top, but didn't expect to see UNC and Northwestern ahead of places like Wisconsin, UCLA, Tennessee and Washington.
https://theathletic.com/2827321/2021/09/15/what-are-the-top-5-jobs-in-college-football-we-polled-over-100-coaches-and-staffers-to-find-out/
Lots of Northwestern alum out of that 100
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Seems a little low for Clemson, too. Maybe because of the ACC?
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Seems a little low for Clemson, too. Maybe because of the ACC?
Replacing Dabo will be hard
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Replacing Dabo will be hard
Replacing Saban won't be?
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Replacing Saban won't be?
A possible difference is that pre-Dabo, Clemson had a tradition of being a good program - occasionally a very good program - but not elite/blueblood status.
All of the programs ranked ahead of them have had more significant success through multiple eras with multiple coaches.
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Replacing Saban won't be?
They have a lot more choices than Clemson out there plus Dabo might be the guy (I don’t think so but 🤷🏼♂️)
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A possible difference is that pre-Dabo, Clemson had a tradition of being a good program - occasionally a very good program - but not elite/blueblood status.
All of the programs ranked ahead of them have had more significant success through multiple eras with multiple coaches.
look at the struggles Alabama had between Stallings and Saban. Look at what has happened at Nebraska since they ran off Solich, Michigan since Carr retired, USC since Carroll left. "Blueblood" status doesn't mean a lot when present success if primarily due to the coach and the wrong hire (or hires) are made.
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look at the struggles Alabama had between Stallings and Saban. Look at what has happened at Nebraska since they ran off Solich, Michigan since Carr retired, USC since Carroll left. "Blueblood" status doesn't mean a lot when present success if primarily due to the coach and the wrong hire (or hires) are made.
Actually, it means a ton.
That blueblood/elite status meant Alabama could still land a coach like Saban even after all the down years post-Stallings. It means USC is still considered among the very best jobs despite having zero playoff appearances and only two top 10 finishes in the last 11 years. It means Texas can keep landing the hot name on the coaching carousel, despite it proving to be a place where those hot names go to die. It means coaches like Kirby Smart will turn down good job after good job to await your call.
Blueblood status doesn't guarantee perpetual success, but it makes it easier.
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but no one here is calling Nebraska a blueblood. They haven't been relevant in 20 years.
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Actually, it means a ton.
That blueblood/elite status meant Alabama could still land a coach like Saban even after all the down years post-Stallings. It means USC is still considered among the very best jobs despite having zero playoff appearances and only two top 10 finishes in the last 11 years. It means Texas can keep landing the hot name on the coaching carousel, despite it proving to be a place where those hot names go to die. It means coaches like Kirby Smart will turn down good job after good job to await your call.
Blueblood status doesn't guarantee perpetual success, but it makes it easier.
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but no one here is calling Nebraska a blueblood. They haven't been relevant in 20 years.
Exactly. Thats why until golden boy Scott Frost was interested, Nebraska was hiring guys like Mike Riley.
I dont have a huge problem with that list but I would put USC higher if simply for the fact that there are 2 SEC West programs in the top 5, plus Georgia. Thats huge competition for not only your division, but the conference. Plus then you're all gonna be fighting for the best players out of the Southeast. USC has a much softer conference and gets their pick out of the super fertile LA/SoCal recruiting pipe.
Northwestern being in the discussion is absurd. But UNC I actually get. ACC is an easier conference overall than the B10 plus you have much more local talent in North and South Carolina. Wisconsin can always get huge linemen, but they are not plucking top tier skill position locally, with any consistency.
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Lots of Northwestern alum out of that 100
Makes sense. Excellent Facilities, Attractive Campus,Alums with big dollar support ,conference not overly strong . Team can go to bowls every few years .
Expectations low and can frequently be over achieved . So yes it is a good job. Fitzgerald is there for as long as he wants .
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Actually, it means a ton.
That blueblood/elite status meant Alabama could still land a coach like Saban even after all the down years post-Stallings. It means USC is still considered among the very best jobs despite having zero playoff appearances and only two top 10 finishes in the last 11 years. It means Texas can keep landing the hot name on the coaching carousel, despite it proving to be a place where those hot names go to die. It means coaches like Kirby Smart will turn down good job after good job to await your call.
Blueblood status doesn't guarantee perpetual success, but it makes it easier.
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but no one here is calling Nebraska a blueblood. They haven't been relevant in 20 years.
they were a blueblood - look at the period of domination for nearly 50 years with Devaney, Osborne, and Solich at the helm. Five national titles, 12 national title game (defacto title game in a bowl) appearances, 35 straight years of bowl games. A few bad hires and look at them now.
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they were a blueblood - look at the period of domination for nearly 50 years with Devaney, Osborne, and Solich at the helm. Five national titles, 12 national title game (defacto title game in a bowl) appearances, 35 straight years of bowl games. A few bad hires and look at them now.
They were trending down the minute Osborne's guys left campus. Solich had a boost from taking over a great team and inheriting recruits and prestige from Osborne.
But I wouldn't call them a football blue blood. Their pre-Devaney history is just whatever, and they don't have all the inherent advantages most blue bloods have. If they fire Scott Frost, their candidate list will not be all that attractive.
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They were trending down the minute Osborne's guys left campus. Solich had a boost from taking over a great team and inheriting recruits and prestige from Osborne.
But I wouldn't call them a football blue blood. Their pre-Devaney history is just whatever, and they don't have all the inherent advantages most blue bloods have. If they fire Scott Frost, their candidate list will not be all that attractive.
You are too young to remember when they were one of the two most dominant programs in college football for 30 years give or take. They were absolutely a blue blood but have fallen badly.
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You are too young to remember when they were one of the two most dominant programs in college football for 30 years give or take. They were absolutely a blue blood but have fallen badly.
They’ve lost their identity joining the Big 14. It’s possible I suppose they find their greatness again but I doubt it. They chased dollar signs joining the Big 14 just like Maryland basketball. Nebraska football playing Oklahoma was must see football. They’ll never find that rivalry again. I believe that about Maryland basketball running away from the ACC, too. Money buys a lot but doesn’t guarantee relevancy like you once knew
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They’ve lost their identity joining the Big 14. It’s possible I suppose they find their greatness again but I doubt it. They chased dollar signs joining the Big 14 just like Maryland basketball. Nebraska football playing Oklahoma was must see football. They’ll never find that rivalry again. I believe that about Maryland basketball running away from the ACC, too. Money buys a lot but doesn’t guarantee relevancy like you once knew
Yes the change in conference affiliation hasn’t helped and they made a couple of really bad coaching hires. Really, there are similarities between their hiring of Bill Callahan and MU’s hiring of Wojo. Let’s hope MUs mistake is more quickly rectified with Shaka than Nebraska’s has been.
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Can we talk about St. Thomas of Minnesota joining the Big 10 for football, too?
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Yes the change in conference affiliation hasn’t helped and they made a couple of really bad coaching hires. Really, there are similarities between their hiring of Bill Callahan and MU’s hiring of Wojo. Let’s hope MUs mistake is more quickly rectified with Shaka than Nebraska’s has been.
Nebraska success was unique under Osborne because he pulled kids from California and he recruited to his offensive system and he never deviated from it.
They also were not afraid to cheat, coverup misdeeds and *wink-wink* PEDs. The idea of Nebraska being a virtuous program because of St. Tom Osborne is a lie. As dirty as Switzer and OU? No, but hardly clean.
Nebraska benefited from the old TV deal, too, where they were one of the few teams that saw a lot of TV time. They also put kids into the NFL. They had advantages others all have today.
I don’t know if they should have kept Solich but Callahan was a dumb hire. And when the dumped Pelini, hiring Mike Riley at that time in Riley’s career was bizarre to say the least.
Nebraska should strive to match Iowa and Wisconsin. Maybe then they can get more blue-chip kids but until then, it won’t matter the coach. All the advantages they once had are gone and they have no identity and hiring Trev Alberts as AD was a terrible choice, too.
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Nebraska success was unique under Osborne because he pulled kids from California and he recruited to his offensive system and he never deviated from it.
They also were not afraid to cheat, coverup misdeeds and *wink-wink* PEDs. The idea of Nebraska being a virtuous program because of St. Tom Osborne is a lie. As dirty as Switzer and OU? No, but hardly clean.
Nebraska benefited from the old TV deal, too, where they were one of the few teams that saw a lot of TV time. They also put kids into the NFL. They had advantages others all have today.
I don’t know if they should have kept Solich but Callahan was a dumb hire. And when the dumped Pelini, hiring Mike Riley at that time in Riley’s career was bizarre to say the least.
Nebraska should strive to match Iowa and Wisconsin. Maybe then they can get more blue-chip kids but until then, it won’t matter the coach. All the advantages they once had are gone and they have no identity and hiring Trev Alberts as AD was a terrible choice, too.
Agree with all of this. I really thought Frost would turn it around, and maybe he still will, but the recruiting needs to get a LOT better at the skill positions—who am I kidding—everywhere.
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Agree with all of this. I really thought Frost would turn it around, and maybe he still will, but the recruiting needs to get a LOT better at the skill positions—who am I kidding—everywhere.
SI just ran a piece on the hiring of Dan Mullen at Florida and on it, they mention interviewing Frost and coming away not sure he was ready to run a major college football program
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You are too young to remember when they were one of the two most dominant programs in college football for 30 years give or take. They were absolutely a blue blood but have fallen badly.
Nebraska was at the pinnacle of College Football. True Royalty . Not only National Championships , Always near the top of the rankings ,multiple Heismans and many Pros etc.
Following a coaching legend is always tough and Nebraska made the mistake of firing Solich who was a quality coach and then multiple bad coaching hires degraded their Program .
At this point the only asset they have is a crazed fan base that sells out every game .
Scott Frost has a very tough mission to get this program over .500.
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Some of the more higher profiled games this Saturday, September 18th
Cincinnati at Indiana 11:00 am ESPN
Michigan State at Miami 11:00 am ABC
Nebraska at Oklahoma 11:00 am FOX
Virginia Tech at West Virginia 11:00 am FS1
Purdue at Notre Dame 1:30 pm NBC
Alabama at Florida 2:30 pm CBS
USC at Washington State 2:30 pm FOX
South Carolina at Georgia 6:00 pm ESPN
Auburn at Penn State 6:30 pm ABC
Utah State at Air Force 6:30 pm FS2
Oklahoma State at Boise State 8:00 pm FS1
Arizona State at BYU 9:15 pm ESPN
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Some of the more higher profiled games this Saturday, September 18th
Cincinnati at Indiana 11:00 am ESPN
Michigan State at Miami 11:00 am ABC
Nebraska at Oklahoma 11:00 am FOX
Virginia Tech at West Virginia 11:00 am FS1
Purdue at Notre Dame 1:30 pm NBC
Alabama at Florida 2:30 pm CBS
USC at Washington State 2:30 pm FOX
South Carolina at Georgia 6:00 pm ESPN
Auburn at Penn State 6:30 pm ABC
Utah State at Air Force 6:30 pm FS2
Oklahoma State at Boise State 8:00 pm FS1
Arizona State at BYU 9:15 pm ESPN
Thanks for that list, Mr. N. Always appreciated.
For decades, Nebraska-Oklahoma was one of the big games of the year. This is the first time they will have played since 2010, and it's hard to imagine it not being ugly for Nebraska.
Purdue have any chance against ND?
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Thanks for that list, Mr. N. Always appreciated.
For decades, Nebraska-Oklahoma was one of the big games of the year. This is the first time they will have played since 2010, and it's hard to imagine it not being ugly for Nebraska.
Purdue have any chance against ND?
I'm looking to take the points with Purdue +7.
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What are we doing Notre Dame, let the dam drum in!
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/purdue-largest-drum-in-the-world-notre-dame/5o3uylteygv41a5e451r744xq
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What are we doing Notre Dame, let the dam drum in!
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/purdue-largest-drum-in-the-world-notre-dame/5o3uylteygv41a5e451r744xq
I'm pretty sure that ND has a scissor lift somewhere right?
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What are we doing Notre Dame, let the dam drum in!
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/purdue-largest-drum-in-the-world-notre-dame/5o3uylteygv41a5e451r744xq
My daughter -- a Purdue student -- is going to the game. I hope Purdue crushes them.*
*And I'm generally an ND football fan. I won't bother asking you not to judge me, but please judge me less harshly because when I was growing up rooting for ND was a condition of receiving room and board. Old habits die hard.
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I'm pretty sure that ND has a scissor lift somewhere right?
Or just use that wide open big Notre Dame tunnel would be easier. Purdue should just bring the drum and bang it on the ND campus. ;D
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My daughter -- a Purdue student -- is going to the game. I hope Purdue crushes them.*
*And I'm generally an ND football fan. I won't bother asking you not to judge me, but please judge me less harshly because when I was growing up rooting for ND was a condition of receiving room and board. Old habits die hard.
All good man. I'm always sympathetic to children who grew up in horrifically emotionally abusive households :'(
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Nebraska showing some fight, only down 7-3 at half to Oklahoma.
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Nebraska showing some fight, only down 7-3 at half to Oklahoma.
They might be the dumbest team in college football
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They might be the dumbest team in college football
I think every Nebraska fan is looking forward to the Adrian Martinez era being over. Lots of athletic ability but just a bad bad quarterback.
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I think every Nebraska fan is looking forward to the Adrian Martinez era being over. Lots of athletic ability but just a bad bad quarterback.
I understand the grievances toward Martinez. He did keep the team in the game today, in what was supposed to be a rout. Two missed FGs and a PAT return was the difference .
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I understand the grievances toward Martinez. He did keep the team in the game today, in what was supposed to be a rout. Two missed FGs and a PAT return was the difference .
He doesn’t have a lot of help and their defense has mostly been atrocious the whole time he’s been there, but still.
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How many pros does Bama have? 25? More?
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He doesn’t have a lot of help and their defense has mostly been atrocious the whole time he’s been there, but still.
Terrible coaching doesn’t help
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Bar I'm at is playing music, what's going on with this Florida Bama clock?
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Any y'all cee da katch maid bye da Sooner dude? Unfookin' beleafable, aina?
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Any y'all cee da katch maid bye da Sooner dude? Unfookin' beleafable, aina?
Good article about the catch.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2021/09/18/oklahoma-dj-graham-one-handed-incredible-interception-nebraska/8401163002/
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Terrible coaching doesn’t help
Always get torn on these guy. Frost was the greatest thing since slice bread at UCF.
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Always get torn on these guy. Frost was the greatest thing since slice bread at UCF.
In retrospect he had one good year there.
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Always get torn on these guy. Frost was the greatest thing since slice bread at UCF.
SI did a piece in Florida hiring Dan Mullen. Frost was also up for that job and they moved on from him quickly. A good part of that was probably knowing he was a heavy Nebraska lean but they seemed certain he wasn’t ready for a big job
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I might’ve misheard or misunderstood their explanation, but on their second last possession Auburn’s wide receiver fumbled while they were driving and the Pen State defender scooped and scored it with 5:08 left. About 12 seconds ran off the clock, but the call was overturned on review as the WR was down. They commentators explained that if the review happens with more than 5:00 left in the game, the time is not put back on the clock, so Auburn got the ball back but with 5:08 still on the clock. Why is that a rule?
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In retrospect he had one good year there.
Yes, Frost had one great year. In two seasons at UCF, help turn an 0-12 team before Frost got to UCF, to a 13-0 season.
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Yes, Frost had one great year. In two seasons at UCF, help turn an 0-12 team before Frost got to UCF, to a 13-0 season.
Joel Klatt has a very positive take on Nebraska this season
https://mobile.twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1439388831728365571
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Joel Klatt has a very positive take on Nebraska this season
https://mobile.twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1439388831728365571
Nebraska has fallen so far they celebrate moral victories.
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ND vs Madison …
So … who do we want to win?
Or maybe the question is: Who do we hate more, and therefore want to lose?
I’ll start …
I don’t have a super strong opinion about Madison football. I’d prefer they lose every week but mostly I’m indifferent.
ND? During my time at Marquette, hating all things ND was a huge part of the experience. And that has stayed with me.
So I’ll take a nice loss by the Flailin’ Irish.
Though I will say it’s also fun when they have a good season and then lose 306-3 in the playoffs.
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Utah starting quarterback Charlie Brewer has elected to leave the program after just three games with the Utes.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/utah-starting-qb-charlie-brewer-leaves-program-just-three-games-into-2021-season/
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ND vs Madison …
So … who do we want to win?
Or maybe the question is: Who do we hate more, and therefore want to lose?
I’ll start …
I don’t have a super strong opinion about Madison football. I’d prefer they lose every week but mostly I’m indifferent.
ND? During my time at Marquette, hating all things ND was a huge part of the experience. And that has stayed with me.
So I’ll take a nice loss by the Flailin’ Irish.
Though I will say it’s also fun when they have a good season and then lose 306-3 in the playoffs.
I love giving ND no credit, but they have a pretty good schedule this year. Cincy is a top 10 team. Wisconsin is pretty good, UNC is a top 25 team. VT and Virginia are both fringe top 25 teams. So its solid even if their traditional Purdue, USC, Stanford matchups arent good.
That being said, outside of Cincy, there aren't any potentially great teams in there, so given that Wisconsin's season is already toast, I would prefer they beat ND so both teams can be after thoughts the rest of the year instead of ND beating Cincy at home and then everyone breathlessly pretending that this is THE YEAR...again
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I love giving ND no credit, but they have a pretty good schedule this year. Cincy is a top 10 team. Wisconsin is pretty good, UNC is a top 25 team. VT and Virginia are both fringe top 25 teams. So its solid even if their traditional Purdue, USC, Stanford matchups arent good.
That being said, outside of Cincy, there aren't any potentially great teams in there, so given that Wisconsin's season is already toast, I would prefer they beat ND so both teams can be after thoughts the rest of the year instead of ND beating Cincy at home and then everyone breathlessly pretending that this is THE YEAR...again
That's the best part of the college football season. ND thinking they're legit while anyone who isn't biased realizes it's the same stuff, different year. Enjoy your 40 point loss in the CFP semifinals.
It would be kind of funny if this WAS the year, though. Coan is their MVP and Mertz stinks it up before transferring.
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I love giving ND no credit, but they have a pretty good schedule this year. Cincy is a top 10 team. Wisconsin is pretty good, UNC is a top 25 team. VT and Virginia are both fringe top 25 teams. So its solid even if their traditional Purdue, USC, Stanford matchups arent good.
That being said, outside of Cincy, there aren't any potentially great teams in there, so given that Wisconsin's season is already toast, I would prefer they beat ND so both teams can be after thoughts the rest of the year instead of ND beating Cincy at home and then everyone breathlessly pretending that this is THE YEAR...again
I like that take. And I agree about ND's schedule being challenging.
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Softer week, yet many games of note.
Saturday, September 25
Notre Dame vs. Wisconsin (in Chicago), 11am, FOX
Texas Tech at Texas, 11am, ABC
Boise State at Utah State, 11am, CBS
LSU at Mississippi State, 11am, ESPN
SMU at TCU, 11am, FS1
Texas A&M vs. Arkansas (in Arlington, Texas), 2:30 p.m., CBS
Rutgers at Michigan, 2:30 p.m., ABC
Iowa State at Baylor, 2:30 p.m., FOX
Colorado State at Iowa, 2:30 p.m., FS1
UTSA at Memphis, 2:30 p.m., ESPNU
UCLA at Stanford, 5 p.m., Pac-12 Network
Tennessee at Florida, 6 p.m., ESPN
Nebraska at Michigan State, 6 p.m., FS1
West Virginia at Oklahoma, 6:30 p.m., ABC
FAU at Air Force, 7 p.m., FS2
Arizona at Oregon, 9:30 p.m., ESPN
Oregon State at USC, 9:30 p.m., FS1
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Tennessee at Florida, 6 p.m., ESPN
"You can't spell citrus without U-T"
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Dang ... I'm umpiring Saturday so I'll miss the ND-Madison game. I might make it home for the 4th quarter, I hope.
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"You can't spell citrus without U-T"
Has to be Steve Spurrier's best zinger.
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Big Game this weekend, Penn State versus Villanova. Villanova will get blown out but they will get a lot of visibility for their FCS program . Plus some good coin.
Wildcats on track for a good season outside of the game with the Nittany Lions.
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FOX College Football Through Week 3 vs. 2019:
Big Noon Kickoff (11am CT-Kick) up +41%
Big Noon Saturday games up +68%
All games, average audience up +41%
All games, total viewing up +67%
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FOX College Football Through Week 3 vs. 2019:
Big Noon Kickoff (11am CT-Kick) up +41%
Big Noon Saturday games up +68%
All games, average audience up +41%
All games, total viewing up +67%
Good news across the board.
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Like Wisconsin’s “Forward” helmets.
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I don’t watch a lot of college football, but am watching UW/Norte Dame.
I’ve heard all of the hype about Mertz- I am trying to figure out why. He is just a bad QB.
Not very accurate and just a terrible pocket presence. He doesn’t look like he has even a whisper of a clue.
Then they show a stat that he had 1 TD pass in the last 6 games. Not surprising at all from the way he looks today.
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Wisconsin clearly has no ability to coach a QB.
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I don’t watch a lot of college football, but am watching UW/Norte Dame.
I’ve heard all of the hype about Mertz- I am trying to figure out why. He is just a bad QB.
Not very accurate and just a terrible pocket presence. He doesn’t look like he has even a whisper of a clue.
Then they show a stat that he had 1 TD pass in the last 6 games. Not surprising at all from the way he looks today.
He’s not great but there is a significant lack of quality receivers. And honestly they may need to have a new look on offense cause this hasn’t looked great for a couple seasons now.
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He’s not great but there is a significant lack of quality receivers. And honestly they may need to have a new look on offense cause this hasn’t looked great for a couple seasons now.
The running game has really deteriorated too. Gone are the days of averaging 10-12 yards per carry. No big runs. Renders the play action useless.
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I'm not a Collehe Football guy but I assume both of these teams won't be sniffing the playoffs.
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I'm not a Collehe Football guy but I assume both of these teams won't be sniffing the playoffs.
ND plays Cincinnati and a bunch of nobodies so they have a shot.
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ND plays Cincinnati and a bunch of nobodies so they have a shot.
I guess I feel better about wanting Whisky to win this one.
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https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1441829906837647366?s=21
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Vandy hanging tough with UGa…
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An 11 point deficit feels like a 30 point deficit for Wisconsin. Chryst is going to get a lot of heat soon with what he’s done to that offense.
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Like Wisconsin’s “Forward” helmets.
Nah, dat's justa let 'em no witch side faces da front, hey?
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Would be hilarious if Coan got benched for a freshman again.
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So, what was UW ranked preseason? Like 11th? Apparently that was off by about 30 spots. I'm no expert but they just aren't good.
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Would be hilarious if Coan got benched for a freshman again.
I don't see how you start him next week. Both of these teams are mediocre but UW's offense is PUTRID.
In other news, HORRIBLE loss for Minnesota, oh my god. Losing to a Bowling Green team whose only win was against an FCS team. Lost to South Alabama and got SHELLACKED by Tennesee but walk into Minnesota and the Gophers row the boat to only 10 pts
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Can’t win with Ethel Mertz at QB.
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I don't see how you start him next week. Both of these teams are mediocre but UW's offense is PUTRID.
In other news, HORRIBLE loss for Minnesota, oh my god. Losing to a Bowling Green team whose only win was against an FCS team. Lost to South Alabama and got SHELLACKED by Tennesee but walk into Minnesota and the Gophers row the boat to only 10 pts
Nice! Wasn't there a great NBA player that went to Bowling Green?
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This opened at UW -3 and ended and UW -6. If that’s not free money I don’t know what is.
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Can’t win with Ethel Mertz at QB.
I’m sure you can get a great deal on some of his gear after today
https://grahammertzshop.com/
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Mertz needs to be careful with all these interceptions, Gutey might draft him.
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Mertz needs to be careful with all these interceptions, Gutey might draft him.
Nah, he’ll be throwing picks on this same field in a few years.
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I'm not a Collehe Football guy but I assume both of these teams won't be sniffing the playoffs.
I think the Irish will lose a game. Still have Cincinnati, UNC, USC and at Virginia Tech. I believe 4 opponents have byes before they play the Irish. So, did Wisconsin and that didn't work out today.
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I think the Irish will lose a game. Still have Cincinnati, UNC, USC and at Virginia Tech. I believe 4 opponents have byes before they play the Irish. So, did Wisconsin and that didn't work out today.
Could they really make the playoffs with potentially one top 25 win?
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I flipped away from Fox for a second and another pick 6. Holy crap.
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Could they really make the playoffs with potentially one top 25 win?
North Carolina is ranked as well. Hard to say in September. Things just need to play out. Buckle up. It will be a fun ride.
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Could they really make the playoffs with potentially one top 25 win?
Two SEC teams will make it. Oregon is in damn good position. Probably a Big Ten team. ND has an uphill battle for sure.
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North Carolina is ranked as well. Hard to say in September. Things just need to play out. Buckle up. It will be a fun ride.
What a great country when you can be ranked by beating Virginia and Georgia St. If ND does make the playoffs they will get rolled.
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An undefeated Notre Dame team being left out of the CFP? Lol come on. That might be the dumbest take in Scoop. And that is absolutely saying something.
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Nice! Wasn't there a great NBA player that went to Bowling Green?
Not in the last 50 years.
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I can't see how UW can continue with Mertz. I fail to see any QB qualities.
Terrible in the pocket, always drifting back and to the right, the worst accuracy I have seen in many a year. There is not one quality anyone can point to and say, OK, let's build on that.
Bollinger, Tolzein, Stocco, even Joel Stave, would have won this game today.
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Not in the last 50 years.
I looked it up. Nate Thurmond. Averaged 15 rebs a game
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I can't see how UW can continue with Mertz. I fail to see any QB qualities.
Terrible in the pocket, always drifting back and to the right, the worst accuracy I have seen in many a year. There is not one quality anyone can point to and say, OK, let's build on that.
Bollinger, Tolzein, Stocco, even Joel Stave, would have won this game today.
It’s amazing to think he was the 21st rated player in the country by ESPN coming out of high school. Yeesh!
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Woo pig. Arkansas up 10-0 on Texas A&M
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3-0 Wyoming didn't show up versus one of worst FBS schools in UConn. 13-0 on CBSSN.
3-0 Baylor leading #14 Iowa State 14-7 on FOX.
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Colorado State leading #5 Iowa 14-7 on FS1. Wow!
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An undefeated Notre Dame team being left out of the CFP? Lol come on. That might be the dumbest take in Scoop. And that is absolutely saying something.
Why? The computers determine the top four, not voters. SOS is going to hurt them.
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Lots of team sleep walking in the mid day slots.
Georgia State leads #23 Auburn 24-12 on SECN.
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Why? The computers determine the top four, not voters. SOS is going to hurt them.
This isn't the BCS. Computers are not part of it.
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I'm old enough to remember when Mertz was going to be the best quarterback in Badgers history
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It’s impossible to envision a scenario in which an undefeated ND team doesn’t make the playoffs.
And if they manage to go unbeaten, that’s cool. I always enjoy watching them lose by 4-5 TDs with the whole country watching.
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NC State missed an easy field goal for the win versus Clemson. Game going to ot.
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I'm old enough to remember when Mertz was going to be the best quarterback in Badgers history
I remember people buzzing like he'd be a Heisman contender back in July/August ;D ;D
An undefeated ND will be in the CFP, of course, but this is just not a good ND team. The teams that got shellacked in the CFP were never title contenders but they would steamroll this years ND team. They have snuck by 3 mediocre to decent teams and let a team with no offense and a hapless QB hang around until the 4th.
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Baylor upsets Iowa State
Arkansas upsets Texas A&M
NC State upsets Clemson
Auburn avoids upset in the final minute vs Georgia State.
Late two point attempt failed for UConn vs Wyoming.
UTSA wins a thriller vs Memphis on a late field goal.
Michigan hangs on versus Rutgers.
Purdue wins late vs Illinois.
Mid afternoon was slot was outstanding!
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I remember people buzzing like he'd be a Heisman contender back in July/August ;D ;D
An undefeated ND will be in the CFP, of course, but this is just not a good ND team. The teams that got shellacked in the CFP were never title contenders but they would steamroll this years ND team. They have snuck by 3 mediocre to decent teams and let a team with no offense and a hapless QB hang around until the 4th.
Agree about ND, Wags. I can't remember ND being so unable and/or unwilling to run the ball, and the defense has lots of holes.
Another team that's obviously taken a huge step back is Clemson. I guess it's not easy replacing the best QB in college football after all. Their offense is a disaster.
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Another team that's obviously taken a huge step back is Clemson. I guess it's not easy replacing the best QB in college football after all. Their offense is a disaster.
Plus, Travis Etienne is a major loss.
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There is only 1 real good team this year. I doubt anyone else goes undefeated.
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Plus, Travis Etienne is a major loss.
Yes
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0-3 Arizona, who is coming off a loss to Northern Arizona is within 24-19 at #3 Oregon. I'm not sold on the Ducks. Struggled vs Fresno. Stony Brook. How good will their win at Ohio State be. Book is still open on the Buckeyes.
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0-3 Arizona, who is coming off a loss to Northern Arizona is within 24-19 at #3 Oregon. I'm not sold on the Ducks. Struggled vs Fresno. Stony Brook. How good will their win at Ohio State be. Book is still open on the Buckeyes.
Oregon scores 17 unanswered to win 41-19. They are tough.
That same Fresno team went on the road and won at UCLA and are now in the top 25 at 4-1. That close win won't look bad when all is said and done. Still think Oregon runs the table. The only true tough game left is at UCLA and I think they are a class above the Bruins.
Oklahoma survived vs WVU but same sort of soft schedule. Think if they get past UT, which they should, they have a good chance of going undefeated.
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Villanova played well in a 38-17 loss to Penn State. Should give them some momentum when they get back to FCS play.
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I can't see how UW can continue with Mertz. I fail to see any QB qualities.
Terrible in the pocket, always drifting back and to the right, the worst accuracy I have seen in many a year. There is not one quality anyone can point to and say, OK, let's build on that.
Bollinger, Tolzein, Stocco, even Joel Stave, would have won this game today.
Bill Connelly of ESPN was pretty meh on Mertz entering the season wondering if he could improve on moving on from his first read. After the Illinois and Michigan games last year, defenses largely took away from his first read and he’s been terrible since then.
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Good one on Friday. Hawks can not look ahead to Penn State. Terps are good!
No. 5 Iowa at Maryland | 7 p.m. | FS1
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I looked it up. Nate Thurmond. Averaged 15 rebs a game
But....not in the last 50 years. Nate Thurmond was drafted out of Bowling Green in 1963.
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Bama-Ole Miss total opened at 77.5 and already is up to 79.
Guess there might be some offense in that game.
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But....not in the last 50 years. Nate Thurmond was drafted out of Bowling Green in 1963.
Antonio Daniels was the #4 pick in 1997 but was serviceable at best.
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Bama-Ole Miss total opened at 77.5 and already is up to 79.
Guess there might be some offense in that game.
I still think I would take the over.
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Bill Connelly of ESPN was pretty meh on Mertz entering the season wondering if he could improve on moving on from his first read. After the Illinois and Michigan games last year, defenses largely took away from his first read and he’s been terrible since then.
In his last 5 games against ranked opponents, he has 2 TD passes and 16 turnovers.
Tell me again, Mr Chryst, why is Mertz on the field?
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In his last 5 games against ranked opponents, he has 2 TD passes and 16 turnovers.
Tell me again, Mr Chryst, why is Mertz on the field?
They clearly don’t have a better option.
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In his last 5 games against ranked opponents, he has 2 TD passes and 16 turnovers.
You make that sound like a bad thing.
He could have 1 TD pass and 17 turnovers!
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You make that sound like a bad thing.
He could have 1 TD pass and 17 turnovers!
I must admit, I do enjoy watching the local media scramble to protect Chryst and Mertz and temper expectations after pumping Mertz up the last two years
I also enjoy the fan base taking exception to Mertz NIL announcement this past summer. It’s a fun convergence
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I actually think Chryst is in more trouble that might be acknowledged. I don't think he is going to be fired unless the bottom REALLY falls out. I would expect maybe Joe Rudolph being let go as a sacrificial lamb.
But Jim Leonhard didn't turn down the Packers DC gig because he just loves what he does in Madison.
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I actually think Chryst is in more trouble that might be acknowledged. I don't think he is going to be fired unless the bottom REALLY falls out. I would expect maybe Joe Rudolph being let go as a sacrificial lamb.
But Jim Leonhard didn't turn down the Packers DC gig because he just loves what he does in Madison.
Leonhard reading the Alando Tucker playbook?
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I actually think Chryst is in more trouble that might be acknowledged. I don't think he is going to be fired unless the bottom REALLY falls out. I would expect maybe Joe Rudolph being let go as a sacrificial lamb.
But Jim Leonhard didn't turn down the Packers DC gig because he just loves what he does in Madison.
People forget he was a slam dunk champ in high school
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Good one on Friday. Hawks can not look ahead to Penn State. Terps are good!
No. 5 Iowa at Maryland | 7 p.m. | FS1
Some of the higher profile games on Saturday.
Saturday, Oct. 2
No. 2 Georgia vs. No. 8 Arkansas | 11 a.m. | ESPN
Wisconsin vs. No. 14 Michigan | 11 a.m. | FOX
No. 7 Cincinnati at No. 9 Notre Dame | 1:30 p.m. | NBC
No. 1 Alabama vs. No. 12 Ole Miss | 2:30 p.m. | CBS
No. 6 Oklahoma at Kansas State | 2:30 p.m. | FOX
No. 11 Ohio State at Rutgers | 2:30 p.m. | Big Ten Network
No. 3 Oregon at Stanford | 2:30 p.m. | ABC
Nevada at Boise State | 2:30 p.m. | FS1
No. 10 Florida at Kentucky | 5 p.m. | ESPN
No. 21 Baylor at No. 19 Oklahoma State | 6 p.m. | ESPN2
No. 4 Penn State vs. Indiana | 6:30 p.m. | ABC
No. 22 Auburn at LSU | 8 p.m. | ESPN
Arizona State at No. 20 UCLA | 9:30 p.m. | FS1
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Some real good games this week, Mr. N. Thanks, as always for the list.
Would be cool if Ole Miss found some way to beat Bama and, obviously, if Cinci could win at ND.
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Wisconsin picking up where they left off. 4 possessions, 4 3 & outs, -2 total yards. Mertz 0-4.
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They have to make a change at QB. He’s lost.
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Chryst also needs to give up playcalling. So many issues.
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They have to make a change at QB. He’s lost.
Another good call by me. ;D ;D ;D
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Looks like we’re about to find out why Mertz never got benched.
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UGA's defense is unreal
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Whoops!
@BleacherReport: "Get your popcorn ready."
This Lane Kiffin pregame interview 😭
(via @CBSSports)
https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1444386997112647685/video/1
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Cinci working real hard to try to blow the game.
EDIT: Happy they got their heads out of their butts to take an 11-point lead with 5 mins to go.
Nice to hear silence from the Frauding Irish crowd!
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Was at the Badger game today. My god they suck. They brought out multiple other athletics teams. When they introduced the basketball team they acted as if they had won the B1G this past year, brought out the trophy, etc. Announced them as the “B1G champions the last time you saw them!”
Canceling the covid year.
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It’s always a great fall Saturday when both ND and Madison lose!
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Whoops!
@BleacherReport: "Get your popcorn ready."
This Lane Kiffin pregame interview 😭
(via @CBSSports)
https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1444386997112647685/video/1
Big Al having some fun.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JamieErdahl/status/1444427175260823552
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Was at the Badger game today.
Why?
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UGA's defense is unreal
If any team might have a chance against Bama…
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Oregon scores 17 unanswered to win 41-19. They are tough.
That same Fresno team went on the road and won at UCLA and are now in the top 25 at 4-1. That close win won't look bad when all is said and done. Still think Oregon runs the table. The only true tough game left is at UCLA and I think they are a class above the Bruins.
Well that aged POOOOORRRLLLYYYY. What a choke in the 4th from the Ducks
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It’s always a great fall Saturday when both ND and Madison lose!
Yes! Great job by the Bearcats.
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Well that aged POOOOORRRLLLYYYY. What a choke in the 4th from the Ducks
Oregon had to pull it out late versus Fresno. Lackluster versus Stony Brook and Arizona. I think Oregon got Ohio State on a bad day.
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Oregon had to pull it out late versus Fresno. Lackluster versus Stony Brook and Arizona. I think Oregon got Ohio State on a bad day.
Oregon dominated Stanford for 29 minutes in the 2nd half. Then the wheels fell off
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Oregon dominated Stanford for 29 minutes in the 2nd half. Then the wheels fell off
Oregon was sleeping the first 30 minutes.
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Why?
Girlfriend is from Ann Arbor and is a Michigan fan.
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Oregon was sleeping the first 30 minutes.
This is true as well. A spectacular example of Pac-12 football
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Kentucky finally beats Florida at home. First time since 1986.
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Why?
Because it's fun?
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Girlfriend is from Ann Arbor and is a Michigan fan.
Good decision making.
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Some for the highlighted team/games this Saturday....
Saturday, Oct. 9
Maryland at No. 7 Ohio State | 11 a.m. | FOX
No. 11 Michigan State at Rutgers | 11 a.m. | Big Ten Network
No. 6 Oklahoma vs. No. 21 Texas (Cotton Bowl in Dallas, Texas) | 11 a.m. | ABC
No. 13 Arkansas at No. 17 Ole Miss | 11 a.m. | ESPN
No. 2 Georgia at No. 18 Auburn | 2:30 p.m. | CBS
No. 19 Wake Forest at Syracuse | 2:30 p.m. | ESPN2
Boise State at No. 10 BYU | 2:30 p.m. | ABC
No. 4 Penn State at No. 3 Iowa | 3 p.m. | FOX
No. 14 Notre Dame at Virginia Tech | 6:30 p.m. | ACC Network
No. 9 Michigan at Nebraska | 6:30 p.m. | ABC
No. 1 Alabama at Texas A&M | 7 p.m. | CBS
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Some for the highlighted team/games this Saturday....
Saturday, Oct. 9
Maryland at No. 7 Ohio State | 11 a.m. | FOX
No. 11 Michigan State at Rutgers | 11 a.m. | Big Ten Network
No. 6 Oklahoma vs. No. 21 Texas (Cotton Bowl in Dallas, Texas) | 11 a.m. | ABC
No. 13 Arkansas at No. 17 Ole Miss | 11 a.m. | ESPN
No. 2 Georgia at No. 18 Auburn | 2:30 p.m. | CBS
No. 19 Wake Forest at Syracuse | 2:30 p.m. | ESPN2
Boise State at No. 10 BYU | 2:30 p.m. | ABC
No. 4 Penn State at No. 3 Iowa | 3 p.m. | FOX
No. 14 Notre Dame at Virginia Tech | 6:30 p.m. | ACC Network
No. 9 Michigan at Nebraska | 6:30 p.m. | ABC
No. 1 Alabama at Texas A&M | 7 p.m. | CBS
Ole Miss/Arkansas at 11 is a shame. Should be a great game to see what 2 pretty good teams got after both got thumped by the 2 best teams in the country.
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Some for the highlighted team/games this Saturday....
Saturday, Oct. 9
Maryland at No. 7 Ohio State | 11 a.m. | FOX
No. 11 Michigan State at Rutgers | 11 a.m. | Big Ten Network
No. 6 Oklahoma vs. No. 21 Texas (Cotton Bowl in Dallas, Texas) | 11 a.m. | ABC
No. 13 Arkansas at No. 17 Ole Miss | 11 a.m. | ESPN
No. 2 Georgia at No. 18 Auburn | 2:30 p.m. | CBS
No. 19 Wake Forest at Syracuse | 2:30 p.m. | ESPN2
Boise State at No. 10 BYU | 2:30 p.m. | ABC
No. 4 Penn State at No. 3 Iowa | 3 p.m. | FOX
No. 14 Notre Dame at Virginia Tech | 6:30 p.m. | ACC Network
No. 9 Michigan at Nebraska | 6:30 p.m. | ABC
No. 1 Alabama at Texas A&M | 7 p.m. | CBS
MSU at Rutgers could be sneaky good if the Rutgers D can do what Nebraksa did to MSU. And considering Nebraska's solid run D they can give Michigan a run.
Boise State is not the BSU of old. I expect BYU to roll.
Penn State at Iowa is the game of the weekend and maybe the season until PSU goes into Columbus (if PSU is undefeated).
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Some for the highlighted team/games this Saturday....
Saturday, Oct. 9
Maryland at No. 7 Ohio State | 11 a.m. | FOX
No. 11 Michigan State at Rutgers | 11 a.m. | Big Ten Network
No. 6 Oklahoma vs. No. 21 Texas (Cotton Bowl in Dallas, Texas) | 11 a.m. | ABC
No. 13 Arkansas at No. 17 Ole Miss | 11 a.m. | ESPN
No. 2 Georgia at No. 18 Auburn | 2:30 p.m. | CBS
No. 19 Wake Forest at Syracuse | 2:30 p.m. | ESPN2
Boise State at No. 10 BYU | 2:30 p.m. | ABC
No. 4 Penn State at No. 3 Iowa | 3 p.m. | FOX
No. 14 Notre Dame at Virginia Tech | 6:30 p.m. | ACC Network
No. 9 Michigan at Nebraska | 6:30 p.m. | ABC
No. 1 Alabama at Texas A&M | 7 p.m. | CBS
Va Tech is very capable of ending ND's charade.
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MSU at Rutgers could be sneaky good if the Rutgers D can do what Nebraksa did to MSU. And considering Nebraska's solid run D they can give Michigan a run.
Boise State is not the BSU of old. I expect BYU to roll.
Penn State at Iowa is the game of the weekend and maybe the season until PSU goes into Columbus (if PSU is undefeated).
Big Noon Kickoff will be live from Iowa City at 9am on FOX. State will be crazy.
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Big Noon Kickoff is completely unwatchable.
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Big Noon Kickoff is completely unwatchable.
It's solid. I usually listen on Sirius XM as I get my morning items done before 11am. I miss Urban Meyer on it. I think it's better than Gameday.
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It's solid. I usually listen on Sirius XM as I get my morning items done before 11am. I miss Urban Meyer on it. I think it's better than Gameday.
Not much reason to watch either show except for the signs in the crowd.
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It's solid. I usually listen on Sirius XM as I get my morning items done before 11am. I miss Urban Meyer on it. I think it's better than Gameday.
City iz two bizzy touchin' ass holes, hey?
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Feels like Urban could rejoin that crew sooner rather than later. Although, I don’t know if Fox would do it.
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Texas dodged the Urban bullet.
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If you're an NFL team looking to draft a QB early next year, you may be out of luck.
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Lions. (Goff, goff)
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Lions. (Goff, goff)
Goff is pretty far down the list of the Lions' problems, IMO. I'd draft defense, in what should be a pretty good defensive draft class, and either wait to 2023 or at least take a more developmental guy (Carson Strong?) later on with that Rams pick or an early second.
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Agreed. Easy punchline, though. Defense and wide receivers.
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Wow, what an incredible TD catch by Mims. What a game!
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Wow, what an incredible TD catch by Mims. What a game!
It's the Red River. Shootouts every year.
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Arkansas & Ole Miss is not disappointing people on entertainment today as well.
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Wasn't Texas up 28-7? Perhaps they should free Bevo after losing this game.
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Did Arkansas coach forget about OT? That was a baffling decision.
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Unbelievable. What an eff’n game.
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The end of the OU/Tex game was exciting but how can you call either of these teams good? 54-48? No defense at all.
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Did Arkansas coach forget about OT? That was a baffling decision.
Didn’t want to go into OT on the road against a prolific offense they struggled to stop, I get it
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Did Arkansas coach forget about OT? That was a baffling decision.
Good decision, terrible play call.
Arkansas' two lead RBs and QB were averaging a combined 6.5 ypc that game. An option play gets you the win.
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Big win for Nova beating James Madison on the road .
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TAMU alert.
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Nebraska looking good at home against Michigan.
TAMU responds to a blocked punt with a Kickoff return TD.
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Nebraska looking good at home against Michigan.
TAMU responds to a blocked punt with a Kickoff return TD.
Flipping back and forth between these two games.
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Notre Dame just kick a field goal to take the lead late versus Virginia Tech 32-29 on the ACCN. Was trailing 29-21.
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Nebraska snatches defeat from the jaws of victory with a turnover late
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Bye-Bye Bama??
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Bye-Bye Bama??
God, no.
I thought that kick was going left.
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Wow. That kick was a total shank but then sliced back right? I thought it was 10 yards dead left before it curved.
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I don’t have any grievance against Bama. However it was nice to see A and M get the upset.
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Wow. That kick was a total shank but then sliced back right? I thought it was 10 yards dead left before it curved.
Crazy. Glad the kid made it. You could tell he was nervous.
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The kick wasn’t a “total shank,” Muggs. Go golfing with me sometime and I’ll show you some shanks!
A lot of kickers have natural fade or draw on their kicks. I don’t know anything about this TAMU kicker, but isn’t it possible that he started it left on purpose because he knows his kicks tend to fade?
I admit that at first I thought he missed it, but it ended up comfortably inside the left upright.
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The kick wasn’t a “total shank,” Muggs. Go golfing with me sometime and I’ll show you some shanks!
A lot of kickers have natural fade or draw on their kicks. I don’t know anything about this TAMU kicker, but isn’t it possible that he started it left on purpose because he knows his kicks tend to fade?
I admit that at first I thought he missed it, but it ended up comfortably inside the left upright.
A "natural fade"? I'm gonna go with a no on that one. That thing had no chance if it was beyond 40 yrds. More like a natural pull/slice/shank. This kid was clearly Shpilkiss??
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Sorry. Shpilkes. :)
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A "natural fade"? I'm gonna go with a no on that one. That thing had no chance if it was beyond 40 yrds. More like a natural pull/slice/shank. This kid was clearly Shpilkiss??
You've watched football for a long time, Muggs. You really haven't noticed that many kickers have natural fades and draws?
I am NOT saying that was the case with this one, as that's the first kick I've ever noticed this guy take. I simply don't know.
And go back and watch that kick again. Given the direction it was traveling at the end, it would have been good from 50+.
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Between Arkansas / Ole Miss, Texas / Oklahoma, Penn State / Iowa, Nebraska / Michigan and Alabama / TAMU, yesterday was such a great day for college football.
I wish the NFL would allow networks to places multiple games in the three Sunday windows.
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BTW MU82, I think LSU might be coming for the Panthers' OC at the end of the year. No way does Orgeron survive unless they turn their season around in a massive way.
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BTW MU82, I think LSU might be coming for the Panthers' OC at the end of the year. No way does Orgeron survive unless they turn their season around in a massive way.
He’ll get an NFL job first
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Between Arkansas / Ole Miss, Texas / Oklahoma, Penn State / Iowa, Nebraska / Michigan and Alabama / TAMU, yesterday was such a great day for college football.
I wish the NFL would allow networks to places multiple games in the three Sunday windows.
Toss in Notre Dame/Virginia Tech game as well last night. Outstanding day!
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BTW MU82, I think LSU might be coming for the Panthers' OC at the end of the year. No way does Orgeron survive unless they turn their season around in a massive way.
After today's game, whatevs.
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I accidenly looked at the Graham Mertz' merch website by opening my email from a buddy trying to mess with me. 30 bucks for a "GM" T-shirt? Did the price go up after that huge win over Illinois?
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I accidenly looked at the Graham Mertz' merch website by opening my email from a buddy trying to mess with me. 30 bucks for a "GM" T-shirt? Did the price go up after that huge win over Illinois?
Price goes up with every interception. Should be a $70 shirt by the end of the season.
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Price goes up with every interception. Should be a $70 shirt by the end of the season.
Ha. I guess I didn't realize the strategy.
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Badgers dismiss Jalen Berger from the team. No reason specified. Local media currently waiting for the press release
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BTW MU82, I think LSU might be coming for the Panthers' OC at the end of the year. No way does Orgeron survive unless they turn their season around in a massive way.
He’ll get an NFL job first
More on this ...
At least two Eagles defenders talked about knowing what was coming from the Panthers on a couple of key plays. And afterward, Rhule also said the offense had gotten too predictable, especially in big situations.
In general, my thought on Brady after watching every Panthers play since he's been here is that he's been fine. The idea that he was ready for a head-coaching job after last season, when he had a couple of interviews, was laughable. Now, the Panthers have some pretty big injuries -- were without their best offensive player and two starting linemen these last 2 losses, and that limits what an offense can do. But that's when a great offensive coordinator should be worth his weight in gold, no?
Anybody who watches the Panthers and says, "Wow, Joe Brady is an offensive genius!" must be watching different games than I am. He's not awful. I don't want to fire him. I just don't see the "special." Not yet in the NFL, anyway. What he did with Burrow at LSU, that certainly qualifies as "special," so I could see the allure for LSU.
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More on this ...
At least two Eagles defenders talked about knowing what was coming from the Panthers on a couple of key plays. And afterward, Rhule also said the offense had gotten too predictable, especially in big situations.
In general, my thought on Brady after watching every Panthers play since he's been here is that he's been fine. The idea that he was ready for a head-coaching job after last season, when he had a couple of interviews, was laughable. Now, the Panthers have some pretty big injuries -- were without their best offensive player and two starting linemen these last 2 losses, and that limits what an offense can do. But that's when a great offensive coordinator should be worth his weight in gold, no?
Anybody who watches the Panthers and says, "Wow, Joe Brady is an offensive genius!" must be watching different games than I am. He's not awful. I don't want to fire him. I just don't see the "special." Not yet in the NFL, anyway. What he did with Burrow at LSU, that certainly qualifies as "special," so I could see the allure for LSU.
Don’t get caught up in where the current team ranks. Matt LaFleur was the OC for the Rams in 2017 but that was McVay’s offense. LaFleur’s stint in 2018 in Tennessee was, “eh”.
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Don’t get caught up in where the current team ranks. Matt LaFleur was the OC for the Rams in 2017 but that was McVay’s offense. LaFleur’s stint in 2018 in Tennessee was, “eh”.
Not sure what you're saying, Unk. The Panthers' offense is 100% Brady's. He designed it, he calls all the plays. He deserves lots of credit when things go well, and plenty of blame when it doesn't.
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Not sure what you're saying, Unk. The Panthers' offense is 100% Brady's. He designed it, he calls all the plays. He deserves lots of credit when things go well, and plenty of blame when it doesn't.
I’m saying the results right now when discussing his future don’t mean much. He’s still a hot commodity because he looks a lot like LaFleur, Staley and McVay and is young
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I’m saying the results right now when discussing his future don’t mean much. He’s still a hot commodity because he looks a lot like LaFleur, Staley and McVay and is young
Ah ... understood. Thanks.
I hope he does better the rest of the season and truly earns a head-coaching job.
And if he doesn't do better the rest of the season, I hope he gets a head-coaching job and my Panthers can get an OC just as talented.
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Ah ... understood. Thanks.
I hope he does better the rest of the season and truly earns a head-coaching job.
And if he doesn't do better the rest of the season, I hope he gets a head-coaching job and my Panthers can get an OC just as talented.
It’s easy to justify hiring him, he had Teddy Bridgewater and Sam Darnold as QBs. He did all he could!
I have no idea if he’ll be any good as a head coach but it’s a copycat league as we know
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I accidenly looked at the Graham Mertz' merch website by opening my email from a buddy trying to mess with me. 30 bucks for a "GM" T-shirt? Did the price go up after that huge win over Illinois?
Who has the bigger discounts? Mertz or Spencer Rattler?
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Who has the bigger discounts? Mertz or Spencer Rattler?
I'm not the biggest Rattler fan, but assuming Williams keeps the job, he'll transfer and have a bunch of B12/SEC/Pac12 interest. He was first team All-Big12 last year and while he wasn't good on Saturday, he'd been pretty good so far this year, he was excellent against KSU the week before.
If Mertz gets benched and transfers, after already losing the job to Jack Coan, who stinks, he probably ends up at Kansas or an AAC school at best.
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Will 3rd ranked Cincinnati make the college football playoff? They are blowing out UCF today.
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Will 3rd ranked Cincinnati make the college football playoff? They are blowing out UCF today.
Yes. Provided they don't slip up. They did what they need to. They get SMU at home, which could be another battle of unbeatens against a top 20 team, but they are significantly better than SMU. I also don't think Iowa finishes the year unbeaten, much less wins the B10 champ game.
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Florida/LSU tied at 42.
Auburn with a big road win at Arkansas.
Oklahoma State with a big comeback at Texas.
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Welp my Iowa prediction happened much quicker than I expected. That offense is putrid.
That LSU game was fantastic entertainment. Coach O saving himself for now
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Welp my Iowa prediction happened much quicker than I expected. That offense is putrid.
I thought Purdue Football's Tweet after the game (https://twitter.com/BoilerFootball/status/1449509546720911381?s=20) was funny. What good is Twitter if not for talking a little trash? I love it when "official" twitter accounts get a little snarky.
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Jackson State had 53,575 in attendance for their homecoming game against Alabama State . Deion Sanders doing a very good job coaching the Tigers. His freshman son Shedeur is having a very nice season .
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Coach O out at LSU, except they're letting him coach the rest of the season. Very weird.
Maybe they have a replacement (Joe Brady?) already lined up.
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Coach O out at LSU, except they're letting him coach the rest of the season. Very weird.
Maybe they have a replacement (Joe Brady?) already lined up.
Couple rumors about girlfriends and trying to pick up the wife of an administrator at a gas station.
And that Cooper Manning let it be known that his kid wouldn’t go to LSU if O was there.
Keeping him on is dumb.
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Coach O out at LSU, except they're letting him coach the rest of the season. Very weird.
Maybe they have a replacement (Joe Brady?) already lined up.
Odd timing considering their performance yesterday. But I guess it was inevitable.
Speaking of SEC, love him or hate him, gotta give Kiffin credit. He took over a team that had won 3 conference games in 2 years under Matt Luke and turned them into a top 10 team and made Matt Corrall into a star.
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Couple rumors about girlfriends and trying to pick up the wife of an administrator at a gas station.
And that Cooper Manning let it be known that his kid wouldn’t go to LSU if O was there.
Keeping him on is dumb.
Mel Tucker is a popular choice
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Mel Tucker is a popular choice
Another former assistant for Saban to beat every year.
(And yes, I realize that there's a one-time exception).
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Mel Tucker is a popular choice
I feel like there are gonna be better options for a marquee job like that. Tucker is having a real nice year but he’s career has been less than illustrious so far.
Joe Brady will come up. I could see Dave Aranda being mentioned. Fickell is gonna jump at one of these top jobs eventually
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I feel like there are gonna be better options for a marquee job like that. Tucker is having a real nice year but he’s career has been less than illustrious so far.
Joe Brady will come up. I could see Dave Aranda being mentioned. Fickell is gonna jump at one of these top jobs eventually
I think Fickell will be at USC.
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I feel like there are gonna be better options for a marquee job like that. Tucker is having a real nice year but he’s career has been less than illustrious so far.
Joe Brady will come up. I could see Dave Aranda being mentioned. Fickell is gonna jump at one of these top jobs eventually
Maybe. I just don’t think Brady is coming back to college
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I think Fickell will be at USC.
I think Fickell wants to stay in the Midwest. Wisconsin could open up sooner than later. Nebraska or Iowa too (maybe after this season). Or, he sees he has a good thing with Cincy going to the Big 12. Life long Midwesterner, 6 kids, LA may not be his scene.
LSU will throw everything at Jimbo Fisher. Maybe TAMU can confirm, but I thought I read he has no buyout if he leaves (but a massive one if he stays and is later fired).
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Maybe. I just don’t think Brady is coming back to college
LSU is welcome to him!
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I think Fickell wants to stay in the Midwest. Wisconsin could open up sooner than later. Nebraska or Iowa too (maybe after this season). Or, he sees he has a good thing with Cincy going to the Big 12. Life long Midwesterner, 6 kids, LA may not be his scene.
LSU will throw everything at Jimbo Fisher. Maybe TAMU can confirm, but I thought I read he has no buyout if he leaves (but a massive one if he stays and is later fired).
Wisconsin will hire Jim Leonhard if Chryst is fired.
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Wisconsin will hire Jim Leonhard if Chryst is fired.
And I’m not sure how quick Fickell jumps. His star is brightest now but the word around him has always been Ohio State or Notre Dame.
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And I’m not sure how quick Fickell jumps. His star is brightest now but the word around him has always been Ohio State or Notre Dame.
But he's not getting either of those soon, and a move to SC (or elsewhere) doesn't preclude a move to OSU or ND down the line.
If you don't move when your star is the brightest, you may never get the chance.
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But he's not getting either of those soon, and a move to SC (or elsewhere) doesn't preclude a move to OSU or ND down the line.
If you don't move when your star is the brightest, you may never get the chance.
I don’t disagree with that thought. I’m curious how long Brian Kelly stays at Notre Dame, however
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Fickell's wife was one of the driving factors in him staying at OSU as long as he did. She loved being one of the OSU elite's socially and their ties to OSU are strong.
But I agree he's not getting one of those 2 anytime soon. He needs to level up sooner rather than later. I understand why he didn't take MSU, but one of these strong jobs will move the needle.
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In 6 games, the Panthers' offense has produced exactly 7 third-quarter points.
The Great Joe Brady has gotten out-adjusted at halftime by the opposing defensive coordinator in every single game.
It's gotten to the point where, 22 games into their regime, Panthers coach Matt Rhule is publicly saying that Brady has to figure out what the offense's "identity" is. Rhule isn't putting all the blame on Brady; he has correctly called out Darnold, the receivers and the line, too. But this isn't the first time he has publicly questioned Brady's play-calling, preparedness and general philosophy.
So again, if LSU comes a-callin', I won't be a-cryin'.
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In 6 games, the Panthers' offense has produced exactly 7 third-quarter points.
The Great Joe Brady has gotten out-adjusted at halftime by the opposing defensive coordinator in every single game.
It's gotten to the point where, 22 games into their regime, Panthers coach Matt Rhule is publicly saying that Brady has to figure out what the offense's "identity" is. Rhule isn't putting all the blame on Brady; he has correctly called out Darnold, the receivers and the line, too. But this isn't the first time he has publicly questioned Brady's play-calling, preparedness and general philosophy.
So again, if LSU comes a-callin', I won't be a-cryin'.
As Peyton Manning said in one of the Manning-casts, halftime adjustments aren’t a real thing
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As Peyton Manning said in one of the Manning-casts, halftime adjustments aren’t a real thing
Right. I've heard the same from Phil Simms and Boomer Esiason.
You can't spend 40-50 hours over a week preparing and implementing a game plan, then change it over 10 minutes in the locker room.
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Right. I've heard the same from Phil Simms and Boomer Esiason.
You can't spend 40-50 hours over a week preparing and implementing a game plan, then change it over 10 minutes in the locker room.
Is football that complicated? Brady and Rodgers are checking off on every play. Buddy Ryan used to adjust on the field after the first possession.
I guess maybe the definition of game plan is the disconnect. A good game plan should have matchup contingencies. Bill Walsh used to script the first 20 plays and then went with the game flow.
Many of these head coaches aren't the brightest bulbs, and maybe that includes a few ex-QBs now media types.
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Wisconsin will hire Jim Leonhard if Chryst is fired.
Do you sense that Chryst's seat is warm?
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Do you sense that Chryst's seat is warm?
Not even lukewarm. If the media starts writing anything remotely negative about him, that’s how you’ll know his seat is warm. They haven’t yet, so the athletic department is ok with him right now or they’d have Potrykus asking “tough” questions
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As Peyton Manning said in one of the Manning-casts, halftime adjustments aren’t a real thing
Right. I've heard the same from Phil Simms and Boomer Esiason.
You can't spend 40-50 hours over a week preparing and implementing a game plan, then change it over 10 minutes in the locker room.
I understand, and I've heard this many times over the years, since before Peyton was starring at Tennessee. And yet, some teams routinely come out guns blazing in the second half while others routinely get out-played.
I didn't mean to suggest there was an entire game-plan change at halftime. But I am quite certain that adjustments are made, from minor tweaks to blocking assignments changed to larger emphasis on certain things that a coach believes will work in the second half.
I know that coincidences exist ... but still ... it's quite a coincidence that the Panthers' offense has gotten dominated by opposing defenses in third quarters 6 out of 6 times this season, and also more often than not last season. Hasn't mattered if the opponent was good or bad, if McCaffrey was in the lineup or not, if it was Darnold or Bridgewater at QB, etc.
When you score 7 points in a half-dozen third quarters over the course of the first third of a season, sorry, but the offensive coordinator has to get at least some blame.
BTW, that doesn't mean Brady won't be the most brilliant head coach in history. We'll see if and when some college or pro team hires him for that position.
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I understand, and I've heard this many times over the years, since before Peyton was starring at Tennessee. And yet, some teams routinely come out guns blazing in the second half while others routinely get out-played.
I didn't mean to suggest there was an entire game-plan change at halftime. But I am quite certain that adjustments are made, from minor tweaks to blocking assignments changed to larger emphasis on certain things that a coach believes will work in the second half.
I know that coincidences exist ... but still ... it's quite a coincidence that the Panthers' offense has gotten dominated by opposing defenses in third quarters 6 out of 6 times this season, and also more often than not last season. Hasn't mattered if the opponent was good or bad, if McCaffrey was in the lineup or not, if it was Darnold or Bridgewater at QB, etc.
When you score 7 points in a half-dozen third quarters over the course of the first third of a season, sorry, but the offensive coordinator has to get at least some blame.
BTW, that doesn't mean Brady won't be the most brilliant head coach in history. We'll see if and when some college or pro team hires him for that position.
Sam Darnold might not be good
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Sam Darnold might not be good
Absolutely possible. When the Panthers were 3-0 and some were talking about him as an MVP candidate, I just kept saying let's see what happens when we play teams better than the Jets and Texans.
Darnold totally sucked most of yesterday, although his two "star" receivers combined to drop 6 passes and lose a fumble, and the Panthers' OL is quite Swiss-cheesy.
Despite that, Darnold's generally been pretty good in the first half of games and pretty bad in the third quarters. Just as Bridgewater so often was last season. Must be something in the water, because Peyton Manning says part of it can't possibly be the opposing coaching staffs out-gameplanning Carolina's. Not even one iota.
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Do you sense that Chryst's seat is warm?
Not yet.
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Absolutely possible. When the Panthers were 3-0 and some were talking about him as an MVP candidate, I just kept saying let's see what happens when we play teams better than the Jets and Texans.
Darnold totally sucked most of yesterday, although his two "star" receivers combined to drop 6 passes and lose a fumble, and the Panthers' OL is quite Swiss-cheesy.
Despite that, Darnold's generally been pretty good in the first half of games and pretty bad in the third quarters. Just as Bridgewater so often was last season. Must be something in the water, because Peyton Manning says part of it can't possibly be the opposing coaching staffs out-gameplanning Carolina's. Not even one iota.
As a Panthers fan, you are probably inundated by the "call DeShawn Watson" takes. I've seen it on CBSsports.com and heard it on Dan Patrick this morning. Your thoughts on that? It seems like it wouldn't save the season as he'd be suspended at least 6 games, it not more. Is there a fix out there? Maybe Jimmy G? Is Cam an option to come back to Charlotte, if the consensus is Darnold is not the answer?
I'd like to see the Lions bring in Cam. He can't be worse than Goff, can he?
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To borrow from the Lions coach, they don't know what they have in Goff. The line is beat up and they have the worst WR's in the league. So there will be no benching of Goff. If the Lions wanted to sign Cam or CK, I am on board with that. But why would they want to come to the Lions.
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To borrow from the Lions coach, they don't know what they have in Goff. The line is beat up and they have the worst WR's in the league. So there will be no benching of Goff. If the Lions wanted to sign Cam or CK, I am on board with that. But why would they want to come to the Lions.
Beyond that, Cam's not the guy you bring in during a rebuild. What would be the point? Goff may or may not have a future with the Lions, but Cam definitely wouldn't.
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As a Panthers fan, you are probably inundated by the "call DeShawn Watson" takes. I've seen it on CBSsports.com and heard it on Dan Patrick this morning. Your thoughts on that? It seems like it wouldn't save the season as he'd be suspended at least 6 games, it not more. Is there a fix out there? Maybe Jimmy G? Is Cam an option to come back to Charlotte, if the consensus is Darnold is not the answer?
I do not believe Darnold is the worst of the Panthers' problems. When he has had time and when his receivers have caught the football, he's been OK, even very good sometimes. He has made mistakes and gone through rough stretches, but so have most QBs.
If I thought getting Watson wouldn't cost too much in terms of future capital, and if I thought his personal situation would be resolved fairly easily, sure, he's a hell of a QB for next season and beyond. But I think it would cost too much, and I doubt his situation will be resolved easily from here (nor should it be), so I don't have interest in him at least until there's new information.
Cam isn't an option; that door was shut hard by the current powers-that-be. Garoppolo? I don't know. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that it's highly, highly, highly unlikely that some QB from the outside the organization is going to come in halfway through to "save" the season.
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This will be my last post here in the college football thread about this, because it really belongs in the NFL thread ... but Rhule just said that the offense would change immediately to put more emphasis on the running game. He again criticized "the coaching," but said Brady, who made his reputation with LSU's passing offense under Burrow, was on board. “Me and Joe are great,” Rhule said. “Let me say that first.”
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article255095552.html#storylink=cpy
The only reason I posted any of this here at all was because of the many Brady mentions. So far, he hasn't proven squat in the NFL, seriously. Doesn't mean he's bad, or that he'll be a bad college or pro HC some day. It's just a fact that he's done nothing close to special as a pro OC.
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Is football that complicated? Brady and Rodgers are checking off on every play. Buddy Ryan used to adjust on the field after the first possession.
I guess maybe the definition of game plan is the disconnect. A good game plan should have matchup contingencies. Bill Walsh used to script the first 20 plays and then went with the game flow.
Many of these head coaches aren't the brightest bulbs, and maybe that includes a few ex-QBs now media types.
WORD.
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Nick Rolovich was officially fired (for cause) at Washington State for refusing to get vaccinated. Media reporting some assistants also fired.
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Nick Rolovich was officially fired (for cause) at Washington State for refusing to get vaccinated. Media reporting some assistants also fired.
Not to turn this into the COVID board, but I'm genuinely curious about what guys like him are thinking. He's walking away from a $3.2 million-a-year gig, and perhaps any hopes of coaching major college football again. All to avoid a shot that's been given to literally billions of people around the world without turning them into magnetic zombies.
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Not to turn this into the COVID board, but I'm genuinely curious about what guys like him are thinking. He's walking away from a $3.2 million-a-year gig, and perhaps any hopes of coaching major college football again. All to avoid a shot that's been given to literally billions of people around the world without turning them into magnetic zombies.
To walk away from $3.2 million a year over a shot Rolovich must be single.
A coworker is a Coug grad and his reaction was "what an idiot. F--k him and his stupidity." Even a good friend of mine who is a right winger and super loyal Coug grad (he's known as "Cougar Al" and is has nothing to do with dating) is ripping the guy. I've got coworkers who are opposed to mandates but still took the shot to keep their jobs that won't pay $3.2 million in a decade, let alone a year.
Holiday Inn Express lawyers on Twitter are saying "he'll make more in the lawsuit." WSU would have had lawyers going over that contract with a fine toothed comb before making this decision and insured they will owe him nothing.
Maybe Freeze will take a bigger job and Rolovich can go coach at Liberty next year.
quick edit: This is a quote from the Cougs' starting QB, who originally signed with Rolovich at Hawaii: Wazzu QB de Laura: "Words cannot express our profound sadness and disappointment in the termination of our Coach, Nick Rolovich. Playing for him was a great honor that all of us will cherish forever. He put trust in me and allowed me to grow as a man both on and off the field.
This is a season that could go off the rails very, very quickly. BYU visits Pullman this weekend.
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Now the whiny, snowflake is suing the AD at the school for being vindictive in firing him - even though he refused to comply with a mandate by the state that required all state employees to be vaccinated against COVID-19.
So, somehow he has reasoned that it was because the AD was out to get him. These people are beyond stupid.
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He claims he was entitled to a religious exemption because of his faith as a Catholic—who have been encouraged to get the vaccine.
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Now the whiny, snowflake is suing the AD at the school for being vindictive in firing him - even though he refused to comply with a mandate by the state that required all state employees to be vaccinated against COVID-19.
So, somehow he has reasoned that it was because the AD was out to get him. These people are beyond stupid.
First of all, he hasn't sued anyone. His attorney said that he "plans to take legal action."
Second, the issue isn't whether or not he can be fired. It's whether or not he can be fired for cause and not be paid anything. (He would be due 60% of his compensation should he be fired otherwise.) Most state employees are "at will" and can simply be let go. But he is a contracted employee with specific criteria for "for cause" firings, timely notification and mediation for dispute resolution.
This statement was just a shot across the bow and completely expected.
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First of all, he hasn't sued anyone. His attorney said that he "plans to take legal action."
Second, the issue isn't whether or not he can be fired. It's whether or not he can be fired for cause and not be paid anything. (He would be due 60% of his compensation should he be fired otherwise.) Most state employees are "at will" and can simply be let go. But he is a contracted employee with specific criteria for "for cause" firings, timely notification and mediation for dispute resolution.
This statement was just a shot across the bow and completely expected.
Hmmm….
His attorney said today that the coach was fired solely for being a devout Catholic.
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Attorneys always say things. It's what they actually do that's important.
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Saturday, Oct. 23 Top 25 Games
Illinois at No. 7 Penn State | 11a.m. | ABC
Northwestern at No. 6 Michigan | 11a.m. | FOX
No. 3 Oklahoma at Kansas | 11a.m. | ESPN
No. 2 Cincinnati at Navy | 11a.m. | ESPN2
No. 16 Wake Forest at Army | 11a.m. | CBSSN
Wisconsin at No. 25 Purdue | 2 p.m. | BTN
LSU at No. 12 Ole Miss | 2:30 p.m. | CBS
Clemson at No. 23 Pitt | 2:30 p.m. | ESPN
No. 8 Oklahoma State at Iowa State | 2:30 p.m. | FOX
No. 10 Oregon at UCLA | 2:30 p.m. | ABC
Tennessee at No. 4 Alabama | 6 p.m. | ESPN
No. 22 San Diego State at Air Force | 6 p.m. | CBSSN
USC at No. 13 Notre Dame | 6:30 p.m. | NBC
No. 5 Ohio State at Indiana | 6:30 p.m. | ABC
South Carolina at No. 17 Texas A&M | 6:30 p.m. | SEC Network
No. 18 NC State at Miami | 6:30 p.m. | ESPN2
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Wisconsin favored on the road against Purdue. I just don’t get it.
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Wisconsin favored on the road against Purdue. I just don’t get it.
Yeah isn’t a generous reading of WI that they are Iowa but worse?
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Yeah isn’t a generous reading of WI that they are Iowa but worse?
Ever see a team that used to have an identity? That's Wisconsin football.
I expect that Paul Chryst doesn't make it two more years in Madison.
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The running back from Michigan , Haskins, pushed the pile for 19 yards , incredible effort
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Congrats to Penn St. for going to 5 overtimes at home vs Illinois.
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Wisconsin favored on the road against Purdue. I just don’t get it.
Same here. Mertz is their worst starting QB of at least the last 20 years.
I’m too lazy to look it up but he may score more points for the opponent than he does for his own team.
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Did Bielema eat one of his players?
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LOL. Penn St. loses at home to Illinois.
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Mertz can’t even handle a one yard drive. Had tons of help from Chrystal, though.
Funny thing is that this terrible uW team was as good, if not better than PSU.
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Did Bielema eat one of his players?
Did at Arkansas
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Did at Arkansas
Oh...thanks. Was it like an adult "A Modest Proposal" meal but literal and not satirical?
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LOL. Penn St. loses at home to Illinois.
Battle of offensive ineptitude.
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Battle of offensive ineptitude.
Worst 9 OT game of all time.
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Mertz can’t throw a 4th quarter interception if he doesn’t throw the ball
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Mertz can’t throw a 4th quarter interception if he doesn’t throw the ball
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5/8 baby
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Battle of offensive ineptitude.
one of the best games of the year. Fun to watch and man, Illinois came to play today. I think the NFL should adopt the mandatory 2pt conversion model. It's basically penalty kicks, love it
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Iowa was the #2 team in the country?
LOL. I'm just going to assume the entire B14 is overrated.
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Sparty beating little brother isn't news anymore.
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Wisconsin still controls their Big Ten title destiny.
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Wisconsin still controls their Big Ten title destiny.
I doubt the B14 would ever want to change the division setup. It usually gives a needed boost to a 1 loss East division champ and helps them get to the playoff. But god does the setup suck for fans who just want to see the best championship matchup possible. Four teams in the east are better than whoever wins the west. And it’s not an anomaly, they’re just stronger programs.
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Wisconsin still controls their Big Ten title destiny.
Go Gophers
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Sparty beating little brother isn't news anymore.
Another Jim Harbaugh choke job.
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They'll play whatever their masters tell them to.
And I think you are by and large wrong that they do.
What we all know they really give a shyte about is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ... but if it's central to your argument that they really care deeply about the welfare of their unpaid employees, knock yourself out!
Then, don't accept the scholarship if you don't want to participate, aina?
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Then, don't accept the scholarship if you don't want to participate, aina?
They need to play in the feeder league first. The NFL doesn’t want to have a developmental league because college football does it for them.
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Badgers with a solid win today.
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Then, don't accept the scholarship if you don't want to participate, aina?
I guess you were so bored you decided to dig something up from months ago and then make an inane comment about it, nu?
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first playoff ranking is out. Georgia #1 is a no-brainer, Alabama #2 is iffy, MSU #3 won't last, Oregon #4 is iffy as well. Cincy #6? The committee just needs to say "non-Power 5 need not apply" here.
Cincy needs Georgia to beat Bama in the SEC title game, MSU or Ohio State to win out, eliminating the other (OSU should beat both MSU and Michigan on the way out) to get into the top 4.
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first playoff ranking is out. Georgia #1 is a no-brainer, Alabama #2 is iffy, MSU #3 won't last, Oregon #4 is iffy as well. Cincy #6? The committee just needs to say "non-Power 5 need not apply" here.
Cincy needs Georgia to beat Bama in the SEC title game, MSU or Ohio State to win out, eliminating the other (OSU should beat both MSU and Michigan on the way out) to get into the top 4.
Cincinnati ain’t getting in
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Go back to the old way (polls) or start a real playoff.
Wisconsin, Iowa are ranked. Minnesota lost to Bowling Green is ranked. These three are in while UTSA, Houston, SMU, Louisiana and Coastal Carolina are not. :o
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Go back to the old way (polls) or start a real playoff.
Wisconsin, Iowa are ranked. Minnesota lost to Bowling Green is ranked. These three are in while UTSA, Houston, SMU, Louisiana and Coastal Carolina are not. :o
I’m shocked to find gambling in this establishment
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The playoffs will only include a G5 team under extraordinary circumstances. These don’t qualify. And while people SAY they want Cincinnati, more will watch Alabama.
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Beginning to think there are some inherent biases in the CFP committee. Namely, one that thinks the Big 10 is inherently good.
Move to 12 teams you cowards.
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Beginning to think there are some inherent biases in the CFP committee. Namely, one that thinks the Big 10 is inherently good.
Move to 12 teams you cowards.
I’m impressed they didn’t have Penn State slotted to give OSU and the Michigan schools a chance to fatten their resumes
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Beginning to think there are some inherent biases in the CFP committee. Namely, one that thinks the Big 10 is inherently good.
Move to 12 teams you cowards.
Beginning?
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Fun fact, the head coaches of the top four teams were all on the same staff at Alabama in 2015.
Saban tree >>> Belichick tree.
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Cincy being out of the top 4 is a joke. But man Fickell's comments were lame. Pulling the "did you play football?" card on Gary Barta is both super weak, and looks even stupider when you realize that Barta won titles in college playing at NDSU and has been the AD at a big time Midwest football school for 15 years
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Cincy being out of the top 4 is a joke. But man Fickell's comments were lame. Pulling the "did you play football?" card on Gary Barta is both super weak, and looks even stupider when you realize that Barta won titles in college playing at NDSU and has been the AD at a big time Midwest football school for 15 years
Haha I didn't see Fickell's comments. Meatheads gonna meathead.
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The playoffs will only include a G5 team under extraordinary circumstances. These don’t qualify. And while people SAY they want Cincinnati, more will watch Alabama.
This may be true, but if they are going to omit undefeated teams that have defeated teams in their own top-10, it's pretty hard for anyone to call themselves a national champion based on their process. I don't watch CFB, just casually follow results and rankings a bit, but if they're going to include multiple teams that have worse losses than Cincinnati's best win and Cincinnati has no losses, it's pretty much just a farcical exhibition.
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This may be true, but if they are going to omit undefeated teams that have defeated teams in their own top-10, it's pretty hard for anyone to call themselves a national champion based on their process. I don't watch CFB, just casually follow results and rankings a bit, but if they're going to include multiple teams that have worse losses than Cincinnati's best win and Cincinnati has no losses, it's pretty much just a farcical exhibition.
You are making the mistake of people caring that people think these titles are legit more than they care about the money it will generate. ESPN will call them legit, their fanbase will celebrate, they will have a trophy, and they will cash checks. This is what college football is.
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You are making the mistake of people caring that people think these titles are legit more than they care about the money it will generate. ESPN will call them legit, their fanbase will celebrate, they will have a trophy, and they will cash checks. This is what college football is.
I recognize what they care about, but that doesn't make it any less farcical. It's why they should go to at least an 8-team field (I think 12, but whatever) and why the NCAA Tournament is so awesome. Everyone that would be able to make a legitimate claim to the title gets a chance to play for it.
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I recognize what they care about, but that doesn't make it any less farcical. It's why they should go to at least an 8-team field (I think 12, but whatever) and why the NCAA Tournament is so awesome. Everyone that would be able to make a legitimate claim to the title gets a chance to play for it.
Make it an 8-team field and you get the exact same arguments over who should be 8, 9 and 10.
The multiple basketball tournament expansions over the years haven't exactly ended the debates about who gets in and who doesn't, and whether the selection committee favors the big schools.
Cincy made its own bed with underwhelming performances in its last two games against teams with a combined record of 2-13.
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Make it an 8-team field and you get the exact same arguments over who should be 8, 9 and 10.
The multiple basketball tournament expansions over the years haven't exactly ended the debates about who gets in and who doesn't, and whether the selection committee favors the big schools.
Cincy made its own bed with underwhelming performances in its last two games against teams with a combined record of 2-13.
I hate that last part of your post. All teams have stupid, close games against inferior foes. They won. That’s all that should matter
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Make it an 8-team field and you get the exact same arguments over who should be 8, 9 and 10.
The multiple basketball tournament expansions over the years haven't exactly ended the debates about who gets in and who doesn't, and whether the selection committee favors the big schools.
Cincy made its own bed with underwhelming performances in its last two games against teams with a combined record of 2-13.
True, but I think there’s less debate when it’s the 9th ranked team versus the 5th. I think a scenario of the P5 conference champs getting an automatic bid and the 3 at-larges would be better. Granted, it’s still likely those at-larges are P5 teams.
I have to assume it adds money to the pot, but I don’t have enough knowledge to say with any certainty.
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I recognize what they care about, but that doesn't make it any less farcical. It's why they should go to at least an 8-team field (I think 12, but whatever) and why the NCAA Tournament is so awesome. Everyone that would be able to make a legitimate claim to the title gets a chance to play for it.
I get that. But the fans of the teams that move the needle, don't care. This was a system set up by the Power 5 for the benefit of the Power 5. And they don't care if people on a Marquette message board don't think it's legit.
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Make it an 8-team field and you get the exact same arguments over who should be 8, 9 and 10.
The multiple basketball tournament expansions over the years haven't exactly ended the debates about who gets in and who doesn't, and whether the selection committee favors the big schools.
Cincy made its own bed with underwhelming performances in its last two games against teams with a combined record of 2-13.
I prefer 12, but while you'll always have debates about who the last team in should be, once you get to the point of the 8th or 9th, or 12th or 13th best team, the odd one out probably isn't winning a title anyway. Though it might be interesting if they had an 8-team field to see if Cincy would be ranked 9th right now.
As far as the NCAAs go, there might be debate over the last 11-seed, but no one lower than an 8-seed has even played for the title, so it isn't like the Colorado States of the world (to use an example from last year) were going to be playing on that Monday in April anyway.
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Saturday, November 6, Top 25 Schedule
5 Ohio State at Nebraska 11:00am FOX
Liberty at 16 Ole Miss 11:00am SECN
Missouri at 1 Georgia 11:00am ESPN
25 Pitt at Duke 11:00am ACCN
9 Wake Forest at North Carolina 11:00am ABC
Illinois at 20 Minnesota 11:00am ESPN2
13 Auburn at 14 Texas A&M 2:30pm CBS
Tulsa at 6 Cincinnati 2:30pm ESPN2
Idaho State at 15 BYU 2:30pm BYUtv/ESPN3
11 Oklahoma State at West Virginia 2:30pm ESPN
12 Baylor at TCU 2:30pm FOX
21 Wisconsin at Rutgers 2:30pm BTN
Navy at 10 Notre Dame 2:30pm NBC
3 Michigan State at Purdue 2:30pm ABC
19 NC State at Florida State 3:00pm ACCN
17 Mississippi State at Arkansas 3:00pm SECN
Boise State at 23 Fresno State 6:00pm CBSSN
22 Iowa at Northwestern 6:00pm BTN
Tennessee at 18 Kentucky 6:00pm ESPN2
LSU at 2 Alabama 6:00pm ESPN
Indiana at 7 Michigan 6:30pm FOX
4 Oregon at Washington 6:30pm ABC
24 San Diego State at Hawaii 10:00pm FS1
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Sam Hartman reminds me a bit of Derek Carr. I wish Hartman was two/three inches taller. I really like him though, I’ll be curious if he stays at Wake one more year.
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Wake Forest offensive is outstanding. Crazy to think they put 70 points on Army, while scoring 56 points.
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Sam Hartman reminds me a bit of Derek Carr. I wish Hartman was two/three inches taller. I really like him though, I’ll be curious if he stays at Wake one more year.
He’s already 22, Wake is having their best year in history, probably gonna win some awards, might as well leap when his stock is highest.
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So Wake lost their undefeated season to a conference opponent in a non-conference game.
The most ACC thing ever.
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Congrats to Michigam St. for backing up their #3 ranking.
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Congrats to Michigam St. for backing up their #3 ranking.
Yeah … it’s become obvious that there are some good teams in the Big 14 but zero great teams.
Oh, and Cincinnati is a fraud too.
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I haven’t watched the whole game, but I’ve enjoyed RGIII on the end of the Oregon-Washington broadcast.
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Yeah … it’s become obvious that there are some good teams in the Big 14 college football but zero great teams except Georgia.
Oh, and Cincinnati is a fraud too.
Everyone looks suspect at times besides that insane UGA defense.
I actually don’t think Cincy is a fraud based on that alone. I think they beat all but a handful of teams in the country. They handled IU completely, after starting slow, when people still thought IU was good. They won their big test on the road at ND. Then absolutely shellacked the other best team in their conference for the last 5+ years. They have no more games to get up for, no real opponent left other than SMU, but get everyone teams absolute, circled on the calendar, best shot. I can see why they look flat or sleep walk through some games.
If they are a fraud, so is Bama who had less than 25 yards rushing sneaking by a bad LSU team with a lame duck coach. Or Oregon who won by single possessions against Cal and Washington after losing Stanford, not to mention squeaking past UCLA.
If Cincy was a lightweight with a terrible schedule amidst a bunch of juggernauts in the top 5, maybe. But nobody is really all that consistently great
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Everyone looks suspect at times besides that insane UGA defense.
I actually don’t think Cincy is a fraud based on that alone. I think they beat all but a handful of teams in the country. They handled IU completely, after starting slow, when people still thought IU was good. They won their big test on the road at ND. Then absolutely shellacked the other best team in their conference for the last 5+ years. They have no more games to get up for, no real opponent left other than SMU, but get everyone teams absolute, circled on the calendar, best shot. I can see why they look flat or sleep walk through some games.
If they are a fraud, so is Bama who had less than 25 yards rushing sneaking by a bad LSU team with a lame duck coach. Or Oregon who won by single possessions against Cal and Washington after losing Stanford, not to mention squeaking past UCLA.
If Cincy was a lightweight with a terrible schedule amidst a bunch of juggernauts in the top 5, maybe. But nobody is really all that consistently great
Fair.
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Everyone looks suspect at times besides that insane UGA defense.
I actually don’t think Cincy is a fraud based on that alone. I think they beat all but a handful of teams in the country. They handled IU completely, after starting slow, when people still thought IU was good. They won their big test on the road at ND. Then absolutely shellacked the other best team in their conference for the last 5+ years. They have no more games to get up for, no real opponent left other than SMU, but get everyone teams absolute, circled on the calendar, best shot. I can see why they look flat or sleep walk through some games.
If they are a fraud, so is Bama who had less than 25 yards rushing sneaking by a bad LSU team with a lame duck coach. Or Oregon who won by single possessions against Cal and Washington after losing Stanford, not to mention squeaking past UCLA.
If Cincy was a lightweight with a terrible schedule amidst a bunch of juggernauts in the top 5, maybe. But nobody is really all that consistently great
All of this. If Georgia starts opening up their offense and let the athletes play, they’ll win it all going away. The defense is as good as any in recent memory. The thing that differentiates their defense versus a Wisconsin defense is speed. They’re so explosive. It’s a cliche but it’s like that across the SEC, Georgia just happens to have the best of them. 5* talent wins national titles. 3-4* talent wins Cheez-It Bowls
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Yeah … it’s become obvious that there are some good teams in the Big 14 but zero great teams.
Oh, and Cincinnati is a fraud too.
I agree on Cincinnati. Fraud might be a little strong of a word to use, but put them in the SEC where they are playing back to back to back to back games against SEC teams and I guarantee they wouldn’t be undefeated.
There are probably a half dozen SEC teams, and maybe even B10 teams that could go undefeated in the AAC or whatever the name of their conference is.
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I agree on Cincinnati. Fraud might be a little strong of a word to use, but put them in the SEC where they are playing back to back to back to back games against SEC teams and I guarantee they wouldn’t be undefeated.
There are probably a half dozen SEC teams, and maybe even B10 teams that could go undefeated in the AAC or whatever the name of their conference is.
Cincinnati could win the Big 14
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Cincy U of Houston and BYU are all in top 20 of ESPN power rankings …. Helps the argument for Big 12 to continue as a power conference even after their joinder and the OU UT departures
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Cincinnati could win the Big 14
Could? Sure. But likely wouldn't.
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Also, I would disagree Cincy doesn’t have a game to get up for. I would have expected them coming out pretty fired up after being ranked 6th.
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Could? Sure. But likely wouldn't.
If they could, then they’re not frauds like I’ve seen thrown around by many people. We’re probably mostly in agreement. Picking between them or a Michigan State is like picking which bug gets crushed by the boot of Georgia
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If they could, then they’re not frauds like I’ve seen thrown around by many people. We’re probably mostly in agreement. Picking between them or a Michigan State is like picking which bug gets crushed by the boot of Georgia
Wisconsin could win the B10 this year and they aren’t a playoff worthy team either.
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I’m gonna criticize myself for using “fraud” for Cinci.
Good team with a weak schedule is what I shoulda said.
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Jim Mora Jr. to be the next coach at UConn. I got to say, I think this is an excellent hire.
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Jim Mora Jr. to be the next coach at UConn. I got to say, I think this is an excellent hire.
Frankly a shocking hire. Mora has no connections or roots in the area and that seems to be the only draw for that program. UCONN fans were bickering over which FCS guys they could get and which ones they were too good for and then this happens. I don't think he's Nick Saban, but he's a pretty good coach with a ton of experience at the highest levels. And for UCONN, thats kind of a home run.
I thought they were gonna end up with the Central Conn St guy
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Frankly a shocking hire. Mora has no connections or roots in the area and that seems to be the only draw for that program. UCONN fans were bickering over which FCS guys they could get and which ones they were too good for and then this happens. I don't think he's Nick Saban, but he's a pretty good coach with a ton of experience at the highest levels. And for UCONN, thats kind of a home run.
I thought they were gonna end up with the Central Conn St guy
And Jim Mora supposedly wrote his own contract as he has no agent.
He said his kids told him it was time to go back to coaching.
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Jim Mora Jr. to be the next coach at UConn. I got to say, I think this is an excellent hire.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32605680/uconn-hires-former-ucla-coach-jim-mora-lead-football-program
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Texas spent almost $30 mil to fire Tom Herman & his staff and then hire Sark.
LOL.
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Texas spent almost $30 mil to fire Tom Herman & his staff and then hire Sark.
LOL.
They fired him over a song
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Texas spent almost $30 mil to fire Tom Herman & his staff and then hire Sark.
LOL.
I'm really trying to figure this one out.
Sark was fired from USC for "having issues" and showing up to team meetings intoxicated.
After a short stint as an analyst and very briefly as offensive coordinator for Alabama (1 game that they lost), he got he Offensive coordinator position for the Falcons (this alone makes no sense). In his two seasons there, he was a failure and they got substantially worse.
He returned to Alabama as a offensive coordinator, where quite literally a trained monkey could have success as a coordinator. He did well coaching Mac Jones and Tagovailoa.
That earns him a 6-year $34.2M contract at a top 10 program! All while spending an addition $24M on buyouts for the existing coaching staff.
Only in college coaching (or a CEO) can you get fired for showing up to work intoxicated, fail miserably, then have one good year on the easiest job and get $34+M.
If he was in a normal job, he'd be unhireable and have a hard time finding a job flipping burgers.
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I'm really trying to figure this one out.
Sark was fired from USC for "having issues" and showing up to team meetings intoxicated.
After a short stint as an analyst and very briefly as offensive coordinator for Alabama (1 game that they lost), he got he Offensive coordinator position for the Falcons (this alone makes no sense). In his two seasons there, he was a failure and they got substantially worse.
He returned to Alabama as a offensive coordinator, where quite literally a trained monkey could have success as a coordinator. He did well coaching Mac Jones and Tagovailoa.
That earns him a 6-year $34.2M contract at a top 10 program! All while spending an addition $24M on buyouts for the existing coaching staff.
Only in college coaching (or a CEO) can you get fired for showing up to work intoxicated, fail miserably, then have one good year on the easiest job and get $34+M.
If he was in a normal job, he'd be unhireable and have a hard time finding a job flipping burgers.
He promised them the players would do the song
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Lance Leipold can coach.
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I'm really trying to figure this one out.
Sark was fired from USC for "having issues" and showing up to team meetings intoxicated.
After a short stint as an analyst and very briefly as offensive coordinator for Alabama (1 game that they lost), he got he Offensive coordinator position for the Falcons (this alone makes no sense). In his two seasons there, he was a failure and they got substantially worse.
He returned to Alabama as a offensive coordinator, where quite literally a trained monkey could have success as a coordinator. He did well coaching Mac Jones and Tagovailoa.
That earns him a 6-year $34.2M contract at a top 10 program! All while spending an addition $24M on buyouts for the existing coaching staff.
Only in college coaching (or a CEO) can you get fired for showing up to work intoxicated, fail miserably, then have one good year on the easiest job and get $34+M.
If he was in a normal job, he'd be unhireable and have a hard time finding a job flipping burgers.
Hard to argue with most of this. I will say that I've seen trained monkeys and I think they'd have a little trouble coordinating Bama's offense due to distractions caused by cheerleaders.
He promised them the players would do the song
That's funny. Also probably true. In Texas, it's important to keep racism traditions alive!
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Jimmy Lake out at Washington
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Jimmy Lake out at Washington
Wow, he got less than two seasons and only coached 13 games. Things are going to be hot up at Montlake trying to justify this one.
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Wow, he got less than two seasons and only coached 13 games. Things are going to be hot up at Montlake trying to justify this one.
Well, he got caught on TV getting physical with a player. His recruiting as head coach was abysmal
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Well, he got caught on TV getting physical with a player. His recruiting as head coach was abysmal
Yeah ... maybe a great coach who wins can get away with being a d-bag. But that's a bad combination for Lake.
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Well, he got caught on TV getting physical with a player. His recruiting as head coach was abysmal
All he did was get in between a player going after a ref. Shouldn’t have shoved him but the player was an idiot.
And recruiting was during COVID with no off campus evaluations or campus visits. The guy won the division last year. There must be something else.
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Jeez. No wonder FIU has been left out of all conference expansion talks.
https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/fiu-head-coach-butch-davis-will-not-return-to-panthers-next-year?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=BrettMcMurphy
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I'm really trying to figure this one out.
Sark was fired from USC for "having issues" and showing up to team meetings intoxicated.
After a short stint as an analyst and very briefly as offensive coordinator for Alabama (1 game that they lost), he got he Offensive coordinator position for the Falcons (this alone makes no sense). In his two seasons there, he was a failure and they got substantially worse.
He returned to Alabama as a offensive coordinator, where quite literally a trained monkey could have success as a coordinator. He did well coaching Mac Jones and Tagovailoa.
That earns him a 6-year $34.2M contract at a top 10 program! All while spending an addition $24M on buyouts for the existing coaching staff.
Only in college coaching (or a CEO) can you get fired for showing up to work intoxicated, fail miserably, then have one good year on the easiest job and get $34+M.
If he was in a normal job, he'd be unhireable and have a hard time finding a job flipping burgers.
I'll play Devils Advocate here. Sarkesian, prior to the alcohol issues, was a very good coach and a hot name for a reason. Washington was a disaster when he took over and he righted the ship.
The alcohol stuff was bad but if he indeed took appropriate steps and got treatment, then good on him.
I'll disagree with your assessment of the latter stages of his career. The number of good coaches who failed going from college to the NFL, or vice versa, is long. If he went from the Falcons to UT, I'd hear your point, but I don't exactly think that is a scarlet letter. And for all his faults, Sark's issue was never play calling.
But there is a reason Bama's OC job has been a hot commodity. Sure, you have tons of talent, but you're sitting at the right hand of one of the top few CFB coaches of all time, an incredibly demanding, disciplined, and structured HC and boss. For that I disagree that its some easy gig. Saban is gonna destroy you for mistakes and bad playcalling/game planning even if you win 40-7. Basically the gold standard in career rehab. Everyone who held the position before him went on to greater and further success (except maybe Mike Locksley).
And its not a normal job, so its silly to place those sort of parameters on it. If you're amongst the very best at something, you'll get further chances. Whether it be music, or business, or sports, or politics.
Did Texas seem like a bit of a leap? For sure. But also, I don't think that job is as desirable as people think right now, he likely was not 1A, 1B or 1C, no matter how much money the AD will throw around.
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I think the truth on Sark is that he is a decent coach and very good offensive mind. As Wags says though, I think Texas is a little too much for him and he is going to be run out of there eventually. And yeah I think the Texas job is almost impossible. Objectively, only two coaches have won there since Royal left, Fred Akers and Mack Brown, and both of them slid the program into mediocrity. But that doesn't reflect the expectations of the donor base.
Texas football isn't as big a deal to many recruits in Texas as people think it is. A lot of the players and their families in Texas have no natural allegiance to UT, and are just as likely to be interested in Oklahoma, A&M, LSU or Alabama.
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All he did was get in between a player going after a ref. Shouldn’t have shoved him but the player was an idiot.
And recruiting was during COVID with no off campus evaluations or campus visits. The guy won the division last year. There must be something else.
He struck the player in the facemask and then shoved him from behind.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1457140451463417861
And it's apparently not the first time he's gotten physical with one of his players.
https://www.si.com/college/2021/11/13/washington-investigating-jimmy-lake-2019-incident-shoved-player-locker
Anyhow, between him and Roslovich and what's going on at Cal, not a banner year for coaches in the Pac 12 North.
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Jeez. No wonder FIU has been left out of all conference expansion talks.
https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/fiu-head-coach-butch-davis-will-not-return-to-panthers-next-year?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=BrettMcMurphy
Yeesh. At that point, you wonder why the school doesn't drop to FCS
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I think the truth on Sark is that he is a decent coach and very good offensive mind. As Wags says though, I think Texas is a little too much for him and he is going to be run out of there eventually. And yeah I think the Texas job is almost impossible. Objectively, only two coaches have won there since Royal left, Fred Akers and Mack Brown, and both of them slid the program into mediocrity. But that doesn't reflect the expectations of the donor base.
Texas football isn't as big a deal to many recruits in Texas as people think it is. A lot of the players and their families in Texas have no natural allegiance to UT, and are just as likely to be interested in Oklahoma, A&M, LSU or Alabama.
I think the population trends in Texas also lend to that. In 1990, Texas' population was just under 17MM. Now its around 30MM. Dallas, a huge recruiting hub, more than doubled in that time.
So you couple UT's waning influence, when compared to other powers in the South, with potentially a bunch of transplants who come from family's who aren't dyed in the wool burnt orange, or even familiar with Texas sports cause they are from elsewhere.
My sister just graduated from UT's business school last year. While she did most of her work at their campus in Dallas, there were a variety of weekend requirements in Austin. Football tix were obviously offered and available. But she's a UW grad, so she was like nah. Of her core friend group in the program, 5-6 were from Texas. But 2 went to OU/OSU, 1 was from a TCU family, another was born in Dallas but her parents were from the Northeast, and another was a 2nd generation Californian transplant. They all went to 1 game for the experience, but it was an interesting look at "Texas raised" people who liked football but were ambivalent about UT.
Yeesh. At that point, you wonder why the school doesn't drop to FCS
You knew that program was doomed to fail if only by looking at the treatment of Mario Cristobal. Did an incredible job there with a new-ish program that had no success and moved up too fast. Was being talked about with a lot of good jobs. Then had one bad year and they tossed him hastily with stupid excuses.
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Yeesh. At that point, you wonder why the school doesn't drop to FCS
Because they won't be able to get their buy game contracts as an FCS school, and they need that money to cover the bonding on their athletic facility improvements. Idaho dropped down to FCS a few years ago, and their revenue tanked as a result.
FBS schools can only pay a limited number of FCS opponents, so the cost for those games are around $600k or so. FIU can get twice that as an FBS school. (They got $1.4 million to play Texas Tech this year.)
This is why UConn will always be an FBS school.
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He struck the player in the facemask and then shoved him from behind.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1457140451463417861
And it's apparently not the first time he's gotten physical with one of his players.
https://www.si.com/college/2021/11/13/washington-investigating-jimmy-lake-2019-incident-shoved-player-locker
Anyhow, between him and Roslovich and what's going on at Cal, not a banner year for coaches in the Pac 12 North.
1. The first was not intentional, he was trying to get in between the player. The shove was uncalled for but not a fireable offense.
2. If that really happened as described it would have come out when he was being promoted, not when he's about to be fired after 13 games as head coach.
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1. The first was not intentional, he was trying to get in between the player. The shove was uncalled for but not a fireable offense.
He wasn't fired.
But if he is, it won't be just because of this incident.
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1. The first was not intentional, he was trying to get in between the player. The shove was uncalled for but not a fireable offense.
2. If that really happened as described it would have come out when he was being promoted, not when he's about to be fired after 13 games as head coach.
Hiring John Donovan to be OC was reason enough to get fired. He didn’t land any of the kids in the state of Washington for this latest class and recruiting is supposed to be one of his calling cards. They’re getting ahead of the inevitable.
Nebraska should do the same with Scott Frost. His recruiting class is bad.
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1. The first was not intentional, he was trying to get in between the player. The shove was uncalled for but not a fireable offense.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Looks very intentional to me.
2. If that really happened as described it would have come out when he was being promoted, not when he's about to be fired after 13 games as head coach.
Five separate witnesses all decided to concoct a story?
As for recruiting, COVID should have helped him last year, not hurt him. Washington (the state) had three 5-star recruits in the Class of 2020, and Lake only landed the one who's a legacy (Damon Huard's son/Brock Huard's nephew) and committed to Chris Peterson as a high school sophomore.
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1. The first was not intentional, he was trying to get in between the player. The shove was uncalled for but not a fireable offense.
2. If that really happened as described it would have come out when he was being promoted, not when he's about to be fired after 13 games as head coach.
Why do you keep trying to defend and support a mediocre coach with a history of physical conflict?
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North Carolina QB Sam Howell had a fine freshman season and a spectacular sophomore campaign. Had NFL rules allowed him to leave college for the league last year, he would have been drafted very high, probably ahead of Fields, and perhaps ahead of Lance.
But he had to return to college because them's the rules. He has not played quite as well this season, in part because his supporting cast is not as good. He has been sacked a lot, chased, beaten up. He's likely to sit out his final home game this week with injury. And after going into this season as the expected No. 1 draft pick, there are many mock drafts projecting him to not even be taken until day 2, and to go after numerous other QBs, including one from Liberty.
I don't feel "sorry" for Howell. He's still going to be rich, and he's still going to have a chance to earn a starting job in the NFL. But the 3-years-out-of-high-school rule unquestionably cost him millions and millions of dollars and put his health at risk, and that sucks for him and others who are ready to cash in but are prevented from doing so.
A pox on the NFL and, especially, the NFLPA.
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Justin Fuente out at Virginia Tech. Poly Tech firing him today cost them an extra $2.5 million in a buyout.
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Justin Fuente out at Virginia Tech. Poly Tech firing him today cost them an extra $2.5 million in a buyout.
Going to be interesting to see what happens there. I think Beemer made that job look better than it actually is. Pretty remote campus, not near any recruiting hotbeds...
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Going to be interesting to see what happens there. I think Beemer made that job look better than it actually is. Pretty remote campus, not near any recruiting hotbeds...
Agree with that. This might end up being the wildest off-season hiring cycle in recent memory.
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Going to be interesting to see what happens there. I think Beemer made that job look better than it actually is. Pretty remote campus, not near any recruiting hotbeds...
Its not a great job. Blacksburg is truly in the middle of nowhere. And before Beamer, VT had no even moderate success. Bud Foster I think was their best chance of continued success, but I get why he was ok to step down.
Fuentes is a good coach who will land on his feet, but it will be interesting who is in the running for that job, it won't be an illustrious list IMO. Maybe Hugh Freeze.
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Going to be interesting to see what happens there. I think Beemer made that job look better than it actually is. Pretty remote campus, not near any recruiting hotbeds...
I'm not sure it's a great job, but there is a fair amount of talent in that region, especially the Norfolk and DC areas.
Coastal Carolina's Jamey Chadwell should be the guy.
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I'm not sure it's a great job, but there is a fair amount of talent in that region, especially the Norfolk and DC areas.
Coastal Carolina's Jamey Chadwell should be the guy.
Right. Those cities are like 4 or 5 hours away though. Chadwell would probably be the best fit there.
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I think the truth on Sark is that he is a decent coach and very good offensive mind. As Wags says though, I think Texas is a little too much for him and he is going to be run out of there eventually. And yeah I think the Texas job is almost impossible. Objectively, only two coaches have won there since Royal left, Fred Akers and Mack Brown, and both of them slid the program into mediocrity. But that doesn't reflect the expectations of the donor base.
Texas football isn't as big a deal to many recruits in Texas as people think it is. A lot of the players and their families in Texas have no natural allegiance to UT, and are just as likely to be interested in Oklahoma, A&M, LSU or Alabama.
Plus Texas fans don't respect that you need 5 years to judge
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Mel Tucker, 10 year $95 million extension. LSU and USC weep.
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Mel Tucker, 10 year $95 million extension. LSU and USC weep.
I bet they regret this within the next five years.
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Everything is a gamble in life.
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Wow, highest paid coach in the Big Ten for winning nothing yet. Huge showcase game at Ohio State. 20 point underdog. I don't think they will cover.
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42-0 Ohio St over MSU with 7 mins left in the 2nd Q?? LOL
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42-0 Ohio St over MSU with 7 mins left in the 2nd Q?? LOL
Sparty had a couple of wins early this year where they were outgained and had more turnovers. Regression can be painful when it comes
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OSU is really good right now. MSU has scraped out some lucky wins. I expected a convincing Buckeye win. So did Vegas. This is ugly.
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Gotta give Tucker another $100 million or so. Would hate to let him get away!!
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Gotta give Tucker another $100 million or so. Would hate to let him get away!!
Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe a bit too quick on that contract?
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Nah. 9 wins already. Beat Michigan. Instilling a culture the university wants. Still smarting from Saban leaving all of those years ago. Decided he was the guy and wanted to make sure he didn't get poached.
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Sparty had a couple of wins early this year where they were outgained and had more turnovers. Regression can be painful when it comes
Hell, Nebraska should have beaten them!
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If MU extended Shaka right now, would you complain?
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If MU extended Shaka right now, would you complain?
No one is complaining but probably not.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe a bit too quick on that contract?
I think I just saw a few Ohio State boosters give $20M to extend Tucker’s new contract by a coupla more years!
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Tucker is now the highest paid coach in the B10. Good for him, but that's going to prove to be a bad contract.
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I think the truth on Sark is that he is a decent coach and very good offensive mind. As Wags says though, I think Texas is a little too much for him and he is going to be run out of there eventually. And yeah I think the Texas job is almost impossible. Objectively, only two coaches have won there since Royal left, Fred Akers and Mack Brown, and both of them slid the program into mediocrity. But that doesn't reflect the expectations of the donor base.
Texas football isn't as big a deal to many recruits in Texas as people think it is. A lot of the players and their families in Texas have no natural allegiance to UT, and are just as likely to be interested in Oklahoma, A&M, LSU or Alabama.
I would not characterize Mac Browns tenure as sliding the program into mediocrity. He had 12 very good to great seasons including a National Championship . Yes his last 4 seasons were not nearly as good. However that kind of mediocre string is not unusual after a long string of greatness. Bear Bryant , Joe Paterno , Woody Hayes all had streaks of several mediocre years .
Brown has gone to UNC and revived that program . So he still has coaching bonafides .
I think the real issue as you point out is the UT fan base is unrealistic in their expectations . Reality is they have been eclipsed by their rival Oklahoma and others in their league have equaled them .
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I would not characterize Mac Browns tenure as sliding the program into mediocrity. He had 12 very good to great seasons including a National Championship . Yes his last 4 seasons were not nearly as good. However that kind of mediocre string is not unusual after a long string of greatness. Bear Bryant , Joe Paterno , Woody Hayes all had streaks of several mediocre years .
So he didn't slide the program into mediocrity...he just had a "mediocre string."
::) ::) ::)
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Remember when Florida v. Florida State was the can't miss college football game of the year?
They will meet next week with each having 5-6 records.
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So he didn't slide the program into mediocrity...he just had a "mediocre string."
::) ::) ::)
Yes . That would be more accurate . Also mediocre in his case was 8 and 9 win seasons. A coach can rebound from that and take a program back up.
Texas boosters made the same mistake Nebraska did when they pushed out Frank Solich. Pushed out a good coach because of unrealistic expectations .
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Is Oregon drunk? My lord.
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Bryce Young breaks 52 year old Alabama passing record .
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32675922/alabama-bryce-young-breaks-school-single-game-passing-record
I actually remember watching Scott Hunter on TV set the old passing record in 1969. At that time that was an incredible amount of yards .
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Florida is having a bad year, so they fired their head coach who had two top ten finishes in his first three seasons.
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This will be Florida’s 6th new Head Football Coach in the past 20 years.
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Florida is having a bad year, so they fired their head coach who had two top ten finishes in his first three seasons.
Recruiting has been bad but he has a history of being a good coach. A Midwest guy originally. Think he’ll be a popular interview after a year on pregame shows
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Recruiting has been bad but he has a history of being a good coach. A Midwest guy originally. Think he’ll be a popular interview after a year on pregame shows
East Coast guy other than a couple years with Urban Meyer. Went to HS in NH and spent other significant time in PA.
But otherwise I agree. He's been a successful coach pretty consistently. He'll get another gig soon.
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Remember when Florida v. Florida State was the can't miss college football game of the year?
They will meet next week with each having 5-6 records.
Winning to the whatever bowl is on the line.
Heck, remember when the national champion went thru the state of Florida!?
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You know the name if you catch the Paul Finebaum Show. Shocking to hear...
Cecil Hurt, the famed long-time Tuscaloosa News columnist and editor, passes away at 62
Hurt had worked at the Tuscaloosa News since 1982. Complications from pneumonia.
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National TV Schedule for Thur/Friday. Also enjoy Black Friday. Also, seems like a mini Saturday.
Thursday, Nov. 25
Fresno State at San Jose State | 2:30 p.m. | FS1
No. 9 Ole Miss at Mississippi State | 6:30 p.m. | ESPN
Friday, Nov. 26
Boise State at No. 21 San Diego State | 11 a.m. | CBS
Kansas State at Texas | 11a.m. | FOX
Eastern Michigan at Central Michigan | 11a.m. | ESPNU
Ohio at Bowling Green | 11 a.m. | CBSSN
Utah State at New Mexico | 12 p.m. | FS1
No. 16 Iowa at Nebraska | 12:30 p.m. | Big Ten Network
No. 4 Cincinnati at East Carolina | 2:30 p.m. | ABC
Missouri at No. 25 Arkansas | 2:30 p.m. | CBS
South Florida at UCF | 2:30 p.m. | ESPN
UNLV at Air Force | 2:30 p.m. | CBSSN
Colorado at No. 19 Utah | 3 p.m. | FOX
TCU at Iowa State | 3:30 p.m. | FS1
North Carolina at No. 20 NC State | 6 p.m. | ESPN
Washington State at Washington | 7 p.m. | FS1
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You know the name if you catch the Paul Finebaum Show. Shocking to hear...
Cecil Hurt, the famed long-time Tuscaloosa News columnist and editor, passes away at 62
Hurt had worked at the Tuscaloosa News since 1982. Complications from pneumonia.
He was a fun follow on Twitter. Pretty much the complete antithesis of most college beat writers. Poked fun at other programs without the self-righteousness of many and was honest about the school and league he covered. Based on outpourings, he was a good man and well-liked. 62 is much too young
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All the talk of the Bears front office failures made me think of one of my personal most despised Bears hires, John Shoop, the hapless OC under Dick Jauron. After the Bears tossed him, he bounced around a bit and ended up at UNC as their OC.
Seeing if he was still in coaching, I found this article...
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/03/john-shoop-north-carolina-purdue-college-football-coach
Its hilarious cause he's painting himself as some black-listed martyr being ahead of the curve with NLI. Which might make sense except he was a TERRIBLE NFL OC who never had an offense outside of the bottom 5 in the league. And then, in college, his offense at UNC never registered in the top 40, barely top 50 his 2 best seasons even with NFL talent at the skill positions. Then he moved on to Purdue where he had 3 consecutive seasons of offenses outside of the top 100. You're out of a job coaching college football cause you were terrible at it, not cause you were in favor of NLI you clown.
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All the talk of the Bears front office failures made me think of one of my personal most despised Bears hires, John Shoop, the hapless OC under Dick Jauron. After the Bears tossed him, he bounced around a bit and ended up at UNC as their OC.
Seeing if he was still in coaching, I found this article...
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/03/john-shoop-north-carolina-purdue-college-football-coach
Its hilarious cause he's painting himself as some black-listed martyr being ahead of the curve with NLI. Which might make sense except he was a TERRIBLE NFL OC who never had an offense outside of the bottom 5 in the league. And then, in college, his offense at UNC never registered in the top 40, barely top 50 his 2 best seasons even with NFL talent at the skill positions. Then he moved on to Purdue where he had 3 consecutive seasons of offenses outside of the top 100. You're out of a job coaching college football cause you were terrible at it, not cause you were in favor of NLI you clown.
Shoop was a piece of work. After games, the media would gather around him and he would read off a script he prepared, long-hand, on a yellow legal pad. Stared straight down at it, sounding catatonic as he spoke.
I actually felt a little sorry for him when he was with the Bears. He was in so far over his head, but what was he supposed to do? Turn down the job? Dick Jauron was such a bad coach, and most of his assistants were incompetent.
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Great stuff from Saban here.
@_AlexByington: WATCH: Nick Saban goes OFF during a pre-Thanksgiving rant directed at “self-absorbed” #Alabama fans that can’t appreciate what they have after a ques. about not blowing teams out.
(This came during his weekly “The Nick Saban Show,” 🎥 courtesy of @UA_Athletics’ live stream.) https://twitter.com/_AlexByington/status/1463691609296584706/video/1
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Michigan continuing to snap the ball with 15+ seconds on the play clock while up 8 in the fourth quarter and already in field goal range feels like a disaster waiting to happen.
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Michigan continuing to snap the ball with 15+ seconds on the play clock while up 8 in the fourth quarter and already in field goal range feels like a disaster waiting to happen.
…NOT!
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Unbelievable game! Michigan ran it down Ohio State's throught.
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Final score doesn’t necessarily indicate it, but that was a complete a$$ whipping by Michigan. They ran it at will, very impressive.
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Final score doesn’t necessarily indicate it, but that was a complete a$$ whipping by Michigan. They ran it at will, very impressive.
Yeah. They could’ve very easily been up 14-0 but had the puck getting aggressive in the first quarter.
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Penn St wearing all white uniforms in a snow storm. Oy.
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Penn St wearing all white uniforms in a snow storm. Oy.
Penn State has been wearing all white for road games since color tv. One of the few schools that doesn't change up a uniform at all.
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Auburn leading Alabama 7-0 in the Iron Bowl
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Wisconsin should move on from Chryst. Six points on offense today and recruiting has been anemic.
They won’t though.
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Believe it or not, there are Buckeye backers who are wondering out loud if Ryan Day is the right man for the job at Ohio State.
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Am I missing something? Why did Minnesota storm the field? Is there an axe shortage because of supply chain issues?
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Am I missing something? Why did Minnesota storm the field? Is there an axe shortage because of supply chain issues?
This year apparently every game is worthy of a field storming, even when you’re a 7 point favorite like Iowa State was against Ok State.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32697906/you-see-their-eyes-why-rushing-field-rise-college-football
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Wisconsin should move on from Chryst. Six points on offense today and recruiting has been anemic.
They won’t though.
And he develops QBs like Nagy does.
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Am I missing something? Why did Minnesota storm the field? Is there an axe shortage because of supply chain issues?
Maybe cuz they almost got to the B10 Championship game?
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https://twitter.com/ZachHeilprin/status/1464755295599611904?t=-c7nJKPT0oF7nADG8BNfjQ&s=19
The replies here sure are something
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What a day!
Michigan upsetting Ohio State.
Auburn blew the game late vs Alabama.
Oklahoma State holds on versus Oklahoma.
LSU touchdown with 20 seconds left to upset Texas A&M.
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One of the reasons the college football playoff needs to expand is because the four team playoff has nearly completely eclipsed the bowls. No longer is a New Year’s Day bowl sufficient, so when a school like Florida stumbles, like all schools do, they get rid of their coach and all others sign their incumbents to terrible extensions.
Opening up the playoffs gives teams another way to define success, because Sugar and Rose Bowl births no longer suffice.
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Wisconsin should move on from Chryst. Six points on offense today and recruiting has been anemic.
They won’t though.
Been telling my sconnies friends for two years. He isn't the solution.
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One of the reasons the college football playoff needs to expand is because the four team playoff has nearly completely eclipsed the bowls. No longer is a New Year’s Day bowl sufficient, so when a school like Florida stumbles, like all schools do, they get rid of their coach and all others sign their incumbents to terrible extensions.
Opening up the playoffs gives teams another way to define success, because Sugar and Rose Bowl births no longer suffice.
Agree with the general thought of this, but I'd expound on it: I'd say that for most fans, the playoff already has definitely eclipsed the bowls.
I think of myself as a fairly typical college football fan. I like it, I'll watch a compelling game of national interest such as yesterday's Michigan-Ohio State game, but I'm not sitting around watching a whole lot of Kansas State-Baylor or MACtion or late-night Pac-12 stuff or even Penn State-Michigan State. Those games and dozens of others on a typical fall Saturday (or Tuesday or Wednesday or Friday) simply don't matter to me.
I can't remember the last bowl game I watched 2 minutes of that wasn't part of the playoff. I certainly don't care about the Weedeater Bowl or Beef-o-Brady Bowl, and even the New Year's Day bowls ... unless one's a Michigan State or Oregon fan, why would one care about an MSU-Oregon Rose Bowl? I guess because that person has nothing better to do? I guess.
I don't feel all that bad for the coaches. They get compensated pretty well to be on the hot seat. If MSU doesn't make the playoffs in the next couple/few years -- and why would you give a coach $10M/year if you didn't expect him to compete for a national title? -- I won't feel too sorry for Mel Tucker.
But yes, I'd like to see the playoff expanded to 8 teams. I'd like to have a reason to watch postseason games.
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Yesterday proved Nick Saban is superhuman.
That game was over and yet, somehow, Alabama pulled a rabbit out of its hat. I’m still stunned at this one.
Roll Tide. UGA or no ugly bulldog, I wouldn’t bet against the Crimson Tide for a natty.
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Florida hiring Billy Napier.
Another member of the Saban tree lands a head coaching job in the SEC.
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Florida hiring Billy Napier.
Another member of the Saban tree lands a head coaching job in the SEC.
Good for him. He was a hot name for 2 other hiring cycles and he patiently waited it out and kept delivering performance. Now he got a big job instead of a typical meat grinder P5 job
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But yes, I'd like to see the playoff expanded to 8 teams. I'd like to have a reason to watch postseason games.
Very few of the semifinal games been competitive. One went to OT, only two others were single digit games, eight of the 14 games were decided by 20+ points. Is the public really clamoring for more blowouts?
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Very few of the semifinal games been competitive. One went to OT, only two others were single digit games, eight of the 14 games were decided by 20+ points. Is the public really clamoring for more blowouts?
I find Notre Dame getting blown out to be very compelling television.
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Very few of the semifinal games been competitive. One went to OT, only two others were single digit games, eight of the 14 games were decided by 20+ points. Is the public really clamoring for more blowouts?
The public is clamoring for more playoff games and fewer Beef O'Brady Bowls.
Some of the highest-rated cable-TV programs in history have been college football playoff games.
https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2021/01/college-football-playoff-semifinals-average-19-million-viewers/
As for past games being blowouts ... so? That says nothing about future games. And even if it does (which it doesn't), see the first part of my comment. The public clamors plenty.
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Lincoln Riley your new USC head coach.
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Lincoln Riley may be on his way to USC according to Pete Thamel
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Live look at Lincoln Riley's arrival in Los Angeles.
(https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/union/2020/09/09/53028addb65e6229435984eef667e3a8.eaac5560.gif?crop=0.74%2C0.99%2Cx0.04%2Cy0.00%2Csafe)
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WOW. What a pull for the Trojans. My USC friends are stunned.
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That Oklahoma job could be rough to have going forward.
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That Oklahoma job could be rough to have going forward.
Mark Stoops?
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That Oklahoma job could be rough to have going forward.
Porter Moser? He can do it all!
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Buzz to Oklahoma?
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Wojo has some free time.
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Mark Stoops?
Yeah, that’s a really good call.
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Yeah, that’s a really good call.
Brent Venables might be a name, too
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Huh. But, wouldn't surprise me if this is Kliff's agent trying to score his client a fat raise.
Not that Schefty would ever do an agent's bidding ...
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Oklahoma has targeted Cardinals’ HC Kliff Kingsbury as one of the potential replacements for Lincoln Riley, league sources tell ESPN.
Kingsbury has one year remaining on his contract after this season.
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Huh. But, wouldn't surprise me if this is Kliff's agent trying to score his client a fat raise.
Not that Schefty would ever do an agent's bidding ...
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Oklahoma has targeted Cardinals’ HC Kliff Kingsbury as one of the potential replacements for Lincoln Riley, league sources tell ESPN.
Kingsbury has one year remaining on his contract after this season.
Schefter has no shame at all. One always kinda new how the game was played, but the OK job has been open for all of 10 minutes, I mean come on.
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WOW. What a pull for the Trojans. My USC friends are stunned.
Stunning and excited!
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Bob Stoops going to coach the Sooners in their bowl game.
Neat.
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Porter Moser.
He could be the Deion and Bo of coaching!
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Florida hiring Billy Napier.
Another member of the Saban tree lands a head coaching job in the SEC.
LSU passed on offering him because they big boosters didn’t like the optics of hiring a coach from a smaller program, particularly one from within Louisiana. They’ll regret that one.
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It's a good hire, but pretty big talk for a guy with an 0-2 playoff record and 1-3 in bowl games.
@PaoloUggetti: USC AD Mike Bohn: "It was never our goal to change the landscape of college football with one of the biggest moves in the history of the game, but we did exactly that. "
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It's a good hire, but pretty big talk for a guy with an 0-2 playoff record and 1-3 in bowl games.
@PaoloUggetti: USC AD Mike Bohn: "It was never our goal to change the landscape of college football with one of the biggest moves in the history of the game, but we did exactly that. "
Yep. His record says he's a very good college football coach ... but he has exactly as many national titles as you do.
When Oklahoma hires you to replace him, their AD can call it an even bigger move in the history of the game!
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Yep. His record says he's a very good college football coach ... but he has exactly as many national titles as you do.
When Oklahoma hires you to replace him, their AD can call it an even bigger move in the history of the game!
It’s about acquiring the most talent in college football. He’s already been crushing California recruiting at OU. If he starts locking out the Alabama’s and Clemson’s that have been taking kids or at least keeping a few more home, he’ll have USC in the playoffs on a fairly regular basis. Pete Carroll’s staffs killed it in recruiting. Riley is young and energetic and has a reputation as an offensive genius. It’s an incredible fit.
Now, he could flame out for a variety of reasons but on paper, this hire could be a landscape changer, similar to Urban Meyer to Ohio State
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Yep. His record says he's a very good college football coach ... but he has exactly as many national titles as you do.
When Oklahoma hires you to replace him, their AD can call it an even bigger move in the history of the game!
There are only four active college coaches who have won a national championship. Lincoln Riley not winning one after getting to the playoffs numerous times is the smallest of black marks.
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Brian Kelly to LSU.
Allegedly
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So who's in the CFP? UGA is a lock regardless of the SEC Championship game. Mich, Cincy, and Bama should all be in "win and you're in, lose and you're nervous/out" territory. Assuming those three don't go 3-0 (my money would be on Bama losing to UGA), who's next in line? A 1 loss (assuming they win the B12) OKST coming off back-to-back top 10 wins? A 1 loss ND with no good wins? If everybody loses who gets in first between a 2 loss Bama, a 2 loss Mich, and a 1 loss Cincy?
If there is total chaos, I don't think expansion is necessarily the correct answer because then you'd get auto-bids that in theory could go/have gone to a 3 loss Utah team, or a Pitt team that lost to a bottom of the MAC West Western Michigan team.
Personally I'd like to see UGA, Mich, Cincy, and OKST, just for the sake of seeing some new teams. Even though I think UGA would roll all those teams, I think they'd also roll everyone else out there this year.
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Brian Kelly to LSU.
Allegedly
Kelly has done quite well at Notre Dame and has been recruiting incredibly well for ‘22 and ‘23. I think if he does leave, Notre Dame would be very appealing for Luke Fickell and give the Irish a higher ceiling.
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https://twitter.com/drewmagary/status/1465487570092142597?t=lHmxtw0uoh3NPXLY2AHTUw&s=19
So Notre Dame will be looking at Fickell and Meyer. Anyone else?
Also, this is Brian saying it's easier to win a natty at LSU than ND, right?
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https://twitter.com/drewmagary/status/1465487570092142597?t=lHmxtw0uoh3NPXLY2AHTUw&s=19
So Notre Dame will be looking at Fickell and Meyer. Anyone else?
Also, this is Brian saying it's easier to win a natty at LSU than ND, right?
Maybe I’m naive, but there’s no way Notre Dame can hire Urban Meyer?
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https://twitter.com/drewmagary/status/1465487570092142597?t=lHmxtw0uoh3NPXLY2AHTUw&s=19
So Notre Dame will be looking at Fickell and Meyer. Anyone else?
Also, this is Brian saying it's easier to win a natty at LSU than ND, right?
I was trying to figure out the reason. Notre Dame usually on the edge of the playoffs the reason? At LSU, schedule wouldn’t be an issue.
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Maybe I’m naive, but there’s no way Notre Dame can hire Urban Meyer?
Why? A kid died under Kelly's watch and nothing happened.
That said, I believe it will be Fickell.
I was trying to figure out the reason. Notre Dame usually on the edge of the playoffs the reason? At LSU, schedule wouldn’t be an issue.
The first think I thought of on this is ND has an above average chance to make the playoff this year and is in a better position than LSU most years, especially as long as Saban is around. What's the SEC West going to look like when UT and OU come in?
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https://twitter.com/drewmagary/status/1465487570092142597?t=lHmxtw0uoh3NPXLY2AHTUw&s=19
So Notre Dame will be looking at Fickell and Meyer. Anyone else?
Also, this is Brian saying it's easier to win a natty at LSU than ND, right?
Or that he’s getting a sh*t ton of $$$$$.
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https://twitter.com/drewmagary/status/1465487570092142597?t=lHmxtw0uoh3NPXLY2AHTUw&s=19
So Notre Dame will be looking at Fickell and Meyer. Anyone else?
Also, this is Brian saying it's easier to win a natty at LSU than ND, right?
Fickell, yes. Meyer, no.
Notre Dame has no more ethics than anyone else, but they need to pretend they do. Urban would not allow them to do that.
As for Kelly, maybe he just got tired of losing to Saban only in the playoffs.
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I think we’ll look back at the contracts Mel Tucker and Frames Janklin got last week as a monumental event in the history of college football. That was dumb money for an unproven coach and dumb money for a decent coach. My guess is, a lot of agents stroked some egos this last week and guys who are better coaches than those two are licking their chops at the dollars out there. I have no idea if USC or LSU would pay Tucker and Janklin the kind of money they got to stay home, but once that market was set, go big and they did and got better coaches
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It’s about acquiring the most talent in college football. He’s already been crushing California recruiting at OU. If he starts locking out the Alabama’s and Clemson’s that have been taking kids or at least keeping a few more home, he’ll have USC in the playoffs on a fairly regular basis. Pete Carroll’s staffs killed it in recruiting. Riley is young and energetic and has a reputation as an offensive genius. It’s an incredible fit.
Now, he could flame out for a variety of reasons but on paper, this hire could be a landscape changer, similar to Urban Meyer to Ohio State
Yep, also two Heisman Trophy winners at OU. It's harder to recruit at OU, than some think.
National TV executives love it. They want the west coast to matter. USC will matter in year 2. Grandslam hire!
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How about Pat Fitzgerald of Northwestern to ND?
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How about Pat Fitzgerald of Northwestern to ND?
Why not hire the leprechaun?
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How about Pat Fitzgerald of Northwestern to ND?
13-20 the past three seasons in a weak Big 10 West won't go over well with the Irish faithful.
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13-20 the past three seasons in a weak Big 10 West won't go over well with the Irish faithful.
I nominate Paul Cryst.
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If not Fickell, Bill O'Brien?
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If not Fickell, Bill O'Brien?
They’d be better off with Matt Campbell or promoting Marcus Freeman to head coach. Way higher ceilings than O’Brien. Freeman is a rising star. Rumor had it Ohio State was about to break the bank to make him their next DC. Elite recruiter
Edit: Also sounds like O’Brien may be the front runner for VPI
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Or that he’s getting a sh*t ton of $$$$$.
I see Magnary is still sucking lemons.
And reports are $15 million a year for Kelly. Suddenly Mel Tucker isn’t overpaid.
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They’d be better off with Matt Campbell or promoting Marcus Freeman to head coach. Way higher ceilings than O’Brien. Freeman is a rising star. Rumor had it Ohio State was about to break the bank to make him their next DC. Elite recruiter
Edit: Also sounds like O’Brien may be the front runner for VPI
Campbell is a candidate, for sure. But I've got to imagine that would be seen as a major letdown by the fan base (which has outsized influence at Notre Dame ... just ask Ty Willingham).
Rising star or not, I'd be very surprised if Notre Dame hands the keys to a 35-year-old with zero head coaching experience and only one year at the school and as a P5 coordinator. They did something similar when Holtz stepped down and it didn't go great.
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Fickell, yes. Meyer, no.
Notre Dame has no more ethics than anyone else, but they need to pretend they do. Urban would not allow them to do that.
As for Kelly, maybe he just got tired of losing to Saban only in the playoffs.
While I agree that ND’s “ethics” are to a large degree PR, the fact remains that Brian Kelly will get kids into LSU that the admissions office at Notre Dame would have rejected.
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I have no doubt Pete Carroll’s agent will be calling Notre Dame to gauge interest.
I don’t think ND would be interested, but I guarantee Pete would be.
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Rico, FBM & Others …
All good points re Riley to USC.
My knee-jerk instinct is usually to fight the hype machine, but y’all making compelling cases to Riley being the perfect hire.
I hope he is, because college football is a little more fun when USC is relevant.
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And again, as if I really needed another reason to think this way, this underscores why I don’t blame athletes one iota for skipping bowl games to get themselves ready for the NFL.
Hell, Kelly’s got a shot at playing for the national title at a storied program, and he “quit” to fatten his wallet.
Coaches are mercenaries who almost always look out for #1 … and it doesn’t even matter that they’re already making millions and that they’ve spent years preaching loyalty above all else.
They’ll bolt for a bigger check and a “better” job. Athletes shouldn’t get criticized for doing the same.
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I’m absolutely stunned that:
1) Notre Dame would somehow let someone with the success of Brian Kelly get away.
2) That Coach Kelly would somehow think LSU is a better situation than Notre Dame. It ain’t!
Look, winning in the SEC may mean more, but Kelly would be working for a fan base more entitled than Domers, with less reason to be so. If he thinks the Domers have high expectations, wait until he meets the Cajuns. They make Domer fans look disinterested.
If Coach O can’t make it at LSU, nobody can.
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I’m absolutely stunned that:
1) Notre Dame would somehow let someone with the success of Brian Kelly get away.
2) That Coach Kelly would somehow think LSU is a better situation than Notre Dame. It ain’t!
Look, winning in the SEC may mean more, but Kelly would be working for a fan base more entitled than Domers, with less reason to be so. If he thinks the Domers have high expectations, wait until he meets the Cajuns. They make Domer fans look disinterested.
If Coach O can’t make it at LSU, nobody can.
Coach O is a mess of a person.
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Coach O is a mess of a person.
And not an especially good head football coach.
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I’m absolutely stunned that:
1) Notre Dame would somehow let someone with the success of Brian Kelly get away.
2) That Coach Kelly would somehow think LSU is a better situation than Notre Dame. It ain’t!
Look, winning in the SEC may mean more, but Kelly would be working for a fan base more entitled than Domers, with less reason to be so. If he thinks the Domers have high expectations, wait until he meets the Cajuns. They make Domer fans look disinterested.
If Coach O can’t make it at LSU, nobody can.
The last three coaches at LSU have won national championships, and two of them were Les Miles and Ed Ogeron.
Brian Kelly is an excellent coach - way better than the last two who were there. He recruits the south very well. Nick Saban went down there as a midwest guy and killed it there. Kelly will likely do the same though it will be a much tougher schedule to run through.
Put it this way, Kelly coached a one-loss Notre Dame team that is going to be shut out of the playoffs. Legitimately so. How much of a better situation is it really?
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I will also say that this might be the most important hire in ND's history. With the money being thrown around now, expansion of the playoffs and the consolidation that is continuing to happen into a few conferences, I think ND is going to find it harder and harder to stay independent UNLESS they continue to win. And the ACC might not be the landing spot ND thought it could be 5-10 years ago.
Put it this way, Kelly is the best coach in their history, won a ton of games and made the playoffs twice, yet at best simply maintained their relevance on the national stage.
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Put it this way, Kelly is the best coach in their history, won a ton of games and made the playoffs twice, yet at best simply maintained their relevance on the national stage.
No.
ND's highest ranking in the final AP poll under Kelly was 4th. They finished unranked more often (four times) than they finished in the top 10 (three times). His record in major bowl games (playoffs or Jan. 1 group) is 0-4, losing by 28, 16, 27 and 17 points in those games. His winning percentage at ND is .739.
Let's compare him with Ara Parseghian. Four finishes in the AP top 3, including two national titles. 3-2 record in major bowl games. Two undefeated seasons. Zero seasons unranked. Nine seasons ranked in the top 10. Winning percentage at ND of .836.
Really, it's not close.
Other coaches with titles and better win percentages at ND: Dan Devine, Lou Holtz, Frank Leahy, Knute Rockne*.
* = pre AP final poll
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Ara last coached in 1974. A completely different era of college football. But I can amend my statement to say the best coach since Holtz or the best coach of the BCS / Playoff era.
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Ara last coached in 1974. A completely different era of college football. But I can amend my statement to say the best coach since Holtz or the best coach of the BCS / Playoff era.
That's fine. Not exactly a murderer's row of coaching hires post-Holtz.
But when talking about best coach in a program's history, you can't punish/dismiss a coach because he coached in a different era. You can only coach during the era in which you're living.
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VaTech reportedly hiring Penn State DC Brent Pry.
Didn't see that coming. Guess they love guys named Brent in Blacksburg.
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I’m absolutely stunned that:
1) Notre Dame would somehow let someone with the success of Brian Kelly get away.
2) That Coach Kelly would somehow think LSU is a better situation than Notre Dame. It ain’t!
Look, winning in the SEC may mean more, but Kelly would be working for a fan base more entitled than Domers, with less reason to be so. If he thinks the Domers have high expectations, wait until he meets the Cajuns. They make Domer fans look disinterested.
If Coach O can’t make it at LSU, nobody can.
You're living in the same fantasy world as a lot of ND fans. LSU is a better job, plus he's getting paid.
ND and Indiana (basketball) think they're more important than they currently are.
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I will also say that this might be the most important hire in ND's history. With the money being thrown around now, expansion of the playoffs and the consolidation that is continuing to happen into a few conferences, I think ND is going to find it harder and harder to stay independent UNLESS they continue to win. And the ACC might not be the landing spot ND thought it could be 5-10 years ago.
Put it this way, Kelly is the best coach in their history, won a ton of games and made the playoffs twice, yet at best simply maintained their relevance on the national stage.
Every time ND goes on a coaching search, it seems at the time like it's their most important hire ever ... but I do get what you're saying by framing it in the current situation in college football.
But couldn't expanded playoffs actually reinforce ND staying independent, especially if it goes to 16 teams? It's hard to imagine a 1-loss or even 2-loss ND team not going to the playoffs most years in a 16-team format, and a 1-loss ND team in an 8-team format also would figure to get in most years; this year's ND team is meh and it would have easily been included in an 8-team playoff.
And thanks for amending your statement about Kelly being ND's best coach ever ... because I'd say it's difficult bordering on impossible to argue that.
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That's fine. Not exactly a murderer's row of coaching hires post-Holtz.
But when talking about best coach in a program's history, you can't punish/dismiss a coach because he coached in a different era. You can only coach during the era in which you're living.
We are talking opinions here, so I can most definitely dismiss a coaches performance because he coached in a different era. You may not agree and that's fine.
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Every time ND goes on a coaching search, it seems at the time like it's their most important hire ever ... but I do get what you're saying by framing it in the current situation in college football.
But couldn't expanded playoffs actually reinforce ND staying independent, especially if it goes to 16 teams? It's hard to imagine a 1-loss or even 2-loss ND team not going to the playoffs most years in a 16-team format, and a 1-loss ND team in an 8-team format also would figure to get in most years; this year's ND team is meh and it would have easily been included in an 8-team playoff.
And thanks for amending your statement about Kelly being ND's best coach ever ... because I'd say it's difficult bordering on impossible to argue that.
The problem with an expanded playoff to 12 teams is that sure, ND may have an easier chance to get in, but it also means that the bowls become an even less of a consolation prize. Win and they are fine. Don't win, and they are stuck at the Pinstripe Bowl.
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We are talking opinions here, so I can most definitely dismiss a coaches performance because he coached in a different era. You may not agree and that's fine.
Sure, and I can have the opinion that Tom Crean is the best coach in Marquette basketball history, and Al McGuire doesn't really count because different era.
But, as with Kelly being the best football coach in ND history, the objective facts - wins, rankings, titles - don't support the opinion.
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The problem with an expanded playoff to 12 teams is that sure, ND may have an easier chance to get in, but it also means that the bowls become an even less of a consolation prize. Win and they are fine. Don't win, and they are stuck at the Pinstripe Bowl.
OK.
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The problem with an expanded playoff to 12 teams is that sure, ND may have an easier chance to get in, but it also means that the bowls become an even less of a consolation prize. Win and they are fine. Don't win, and they are stuck at the Pinstripe Bowl.
What's the logic on a 12 team playoff vs 16? I've read about the 12 team playoff a bunch and don't understand why they wouldn't just go to 16.
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What's the logic on a 12 team playoff vs 16? I've read about the 12 team playoff a bunch and don't understand why they wouldn't just go to 16.
Because the Rose Bowl is the granddaddy
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What's the logic on a 12 team playoff vs 16? I've read about the 12 team playoff a bunch and don't understand why they wouldn't just go to 16.
I like 12 better. 16 waters crap down. Give the top four byes.
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Because the Rose Bowl is the granddaddy
How does this impact 12 vs 16?
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How does this impact 12 vs 16?
Gotta have the Rose Bowl mean something
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I like 12 better. 16 waters crap down. Give the top four byes.
Is there really much of difference between the #12 and #16 team? If you're concerned about watering it down, why not go with an 8 team playoff?
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Gotta have the Rose Bowl mean something
I understand that premise (which is absurd how much pull the Rose Bowl has in NCAA football), but does 12 vs 16 really fix that? It'll become a more irrelevant consolation either way.
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Is there really much of difference between the #12 and #16 team? If you're concerned about watering it down, why not go with an 8 team playoff?
12 is better than 8.
Top 6 conference champs, 6 at large.
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I understand that premise (which is absurd how much pull the Rose Bowl has in NCAA football), but does 12 vs 16 really fix that? It'll become a more irrelevant consolation either way.
The Big 14 and Pac-12 went decades fighting a playoff because Rose Bowl.
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Just for kicks, I looked up what Charlie Weis was up to (not much). But I saw that ND signed him, in 2004, to a $2 million per year contract. Less than 20 years later, there are assistants making that much or more.
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The Big 14 and Pac-12 went decades fighting a playoff because Rose Bowl.
Understood. Expanded playoffs will essentially make remaining bowl games the equivalent of the NIT...which is fine. But that's also why I'd go with 16 teams. First of all it's two more playoff games and more money, but it also keeps more schools in the hunt.
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Just for kicks, I looked up what Charlie Weis was up to (not much). But I saw that ND signed him, in 2004, to a $2 million per year contract. Less than 20 years later, there are assistants making that much or more.
But paying players, or even allowing them to earn money off their likeness, will bankrupt college sports.
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What's the logic on a 12 team playoff vs 16? I've read about the 12 team playoff a bunch and don't understand why they wouldn't just go to 16.
Because TV isn't going to televise 8 games on the first Saturday. They would likely stagger four games on consecutive Saturdays, to bring 12 down to 8 and 8 down to 4, to maximize TV impact.
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Because TV isn't going to televise 8 games on the first Saturday. They would likely stagger four games on consecutive Saturdays, to bring 12 down to 8 and 8 down to 4, to maximize TV impact.
Got it, this makes sense. Although 8 games on Saturday would be awesome.
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Just for kicks, I looked up what Charlie Weis was up to (not much). But I saw that ND signed him, in 2004, to a $2 million per year contract. Less than 20 years later, there are assistants making that much or more.
It was a stupid contract to give to a guy who hadn't proved squat, and an unpleasant braggart at that. But your point is well taken.
But paying players, or even allowing them to earn money off their likeness, will bankrupt college sports.
Yep. Gotta pay the overlords. Let the serfs eat cake!
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You're living in the same fantasy world as a lot of ND fans. LSU is a better job, plus he's getting paid.
ND and Indiana (basketball) think they're more important than they currently are.
Brother Hards:
LSU pays more, yes.
But look at what you're up against. Georgia and Alabama are two of the top teams in the nation.
Florida, Mississippi, Texas A&M, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee and soon, Oklahoma and Texas, are traditional powers that had varying degrees of success in the past 20 years.
Which leaves Mississippi State, Missouri, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vanderbilt as the only soft parts of the conference
You're effectively fighting a war every week against the nation's very best football teams with a fan base that will cut you at the knees if you lose a single game. At Notre Dame, one and maybe even two losses might get you to the playoffs.
Look, everybody says money, but somehow I'd bet Notre Dame could match LSU. It's about Nattys and, sorry Domers, the look of this job change is you can, maybe, win a natty at LSU. You aren't likely to do so at Notre Dame. At day's end, I gotta believe that's the ONLY reason Kelly moved.
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Look, everybody says money, but somehow I'd bet Notre Dame could match LSU. It's about Nattys and, sorry Domers, the look of this job change is you can, maybe, win a natty at LSU. You aren't likely to do so at Notre Dame. At day's end, I gotta believe that's the ONLY reason Kelly moved.
Spot on. Kelly knew the ceiling has been reached at ND. He wants more.
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Brother Hards:
LSU pays more, yes.
But look at what you're up against. Georgia and Alabama are two of the top teams in the nation.
Florida, Mississippi, Texas A&M, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee and soon, Oklahoma and Texas, are traditional powers that had varying degrees of success in the past 20 years.
Which leaves Mississippi State, Missouri, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vanderbilt as the only soft parts of the conference
You're effectively fighting a war every week against the nation's very best football teams with a fan base that will cut you at the knees if you lose a single game. At Notre Dame, one and maybe even two losses might get you to the playoffs.
Look, everybody says money, but somehow I'd bet Notre Dame could match LSU. It's about Nattys and, sorry Domers, the look of this job change is you can, maybe, win a natty at LSU. You aren't likely to do so at Notre Dame. At day's end, I gotta believe that's the ONLY reason Kelly moved.
Exactly. You can definitely win a national title at LSU. Not sure on ND. 1988 was a long time ago. Thus, a better job.
As pointed out earlier, Les Miles and Coach O won national titles at LSU in the last 15 years. Brian Kelly is a significantly better football coach. Honestly, that's understatement. Coach O was an awful head coach at Ole Miss, going 3-21 in SEC play during his three seasons. And, yet, even he won a title when at LSU. If the job can elevate a guy like Coach O, then Brian Kelly has a real shot at a title in the next five years, competition be damned.
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Melvin Tucker, Big Ten coach of the year. MSU set the market and kept USC or LSU grom poaching him. For better or for worse.
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Brother Hards:
LSU pays more, yes.
But look at what you're up against. Georgia and Alabama are two of the top teams in the nation.
Florida, Mississippi, Texas A&M, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee and soon, Oklahoma and Texas, are traditional powers that had varying degrees of success in the past 20 years.
Which leaves Mississippi State, Missouri, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vanderbilt as the only soft parts of the conference
You're effectively fighting a war every week against the nation's very best football teams with a fan base that will cut you at the knees if you lose a single game. At Notre Dame, one and maybe even two losses might get you to the playoffs.
Look, everybody says money, but somehow I'd bet Notre Dame could match LSU. It's about Nattys and, sorry Domers, the look of this job change is you can, maybe, win a natty at LSU. You aren't likely to do so at Notre Dame. At day's end, I gotta believe that's the ONLY reason Kelly moved.
Any coach worth hiring will relish the challenge of taking on the best of the best most every week.
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Brother Hards:
LSU pays more, yes.
But look at what you're up against. Georgia and Alabama are two of the top teams in the nation.
Florida, Mississippi, Texas A&M, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee and soon, Oklahoma and Texas, are traditional powers that had varying degrees of success in the past 20 years.
Which leaves Mississippi State, Missouri, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vanderbilt as the only soft parts of the conference
You're effectively fighting a war every week against the nation's very best football teams with a fan base that will cut you at the knees if you lose a single game. At Notre Dame, one and maybe even two losses might get you to the playoffs.
Look, everybody says money, but somehow I'd bet Notre Dame could match LSU. It's about Nattys and, sorry Domers, the look of this job change is you can, maybe, win a natty at LSU. You aren't likely to do so at Notre Dame. At day's end, I gotta believe that's the ONLY reason Kelly moved.
When did Ole Miss and Arkansas become "traditional powers" in the SEC? Even Tennessee is a stretch to call them a "traditional power." Ans A&M has yet to win a division title in the SEC and hasn't won a conference title since 1998 when RC Slocum was the coach.
The SEC is Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, and occasionally Auburn, then everyone else.
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When did Ole Miss and Arkansas become "traditional powers" in the SEC? Even Tennessee is a stretch to call them a "traditional power." Ans A&M has yet to win a division title in the SEC and hasn't won a conference title since 1998 when RC Slocum was the coach.
The SEC is Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, and occasionally Auburn, then everyone else.
Tennessee has been down for a while now, but they have won 13 SEC titles and, since 1970, have 12 top 10 finishes in the final AP poll. Which puts them on par with Auburn, LSU and Georgia.
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Tennessee has been down for a while now, but they have won 13 SEC titles and, since 1970, have 12 top 10 finishes in the final AP poll. Which puts them on par with Auburn, LSU and Georgia.
Arkansas is a traditional power in the sense that they were really good in the 60's and 70's under Broyles, then Holtz. Well before the SEC. Hatfield had them go 55-17 in his run there with back to back Cotton Bowls. Petrino had them near the top again, then Bielema f'd it up.
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Spot on. Kelly knew the ceiling has been reached at ND. He wants more.
I might say *his* ceiling has been reached at ND. I think the right person could still win a title there, though I would wager we will see it happen in Baton Rouge again before it happens in South Bend.
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I might say *his* ceiling has been reached at ND. I think the right person could still win a title there, though I would wager we will see it happen in Baton Rouge again before it happens in South Bend.
I guess I don't understand what his ceiling is and how a guy named Brian Kelly, who won at every level he has coached, almost entirely in the Midwest, isn't the "right person." I mean, he got them to a championship game in the BCS era and two semifinals in the playoff era. That is closer to a title than any time post 1988.
Perhaps the answer is Luke Fickell, who is leading Cincinnati to their first undefeated regular season since...Brian Kelly did in 2009.
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I guess I don't understand what his ceiling is and how a guy named Brian Kelly, who won at every level he has coached, almost entirely in the Midwest, isn't the "right person." I mean, he got them to a championship game in the BCS era and two semifinals in the playoff era. That is closer to a title than any time post 1988.
Perhaps the answer is Luke Fickell, who is leading Cincinnati to their first undefeated regular season since...Brian Kelly did in 2009.
What do you mean? ^^^ That's his ceiling at Notre Dame. We've seen it. His Irish name or coaching in the midwest has nothing to do with it.
He was often very good (if this was hoops he'd have 3 Final Fours in 12 years) but never truly great. Someone else could come in and be great. Is it likely/imminent? Probably not. Finding a championship-level coach is hard. But I think it's still possible to win there; Kelly just couldn't get all the way over the hump
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What do you mean? ^^^ That's his ceiling at Notre Dame. We've seen it. His Irish name or coaching in the midwest has nothing to do with it.
He was often very good (if this was hoops he'd have 3 Final Fours in 12 years) but never truly great. Someone else could come in and be great. Is it likely/imminent? Probably not. Finding a championship-level coach is hard. But I think it's still possible to win there; Kelly just couldn't get all the way over the hump
My point is that it would have hardly been shocking to have him win a championship in the next decade had he stuck around Notre Dame. He consistently got them to the brink of a championship...just not over the finish line. That doesn't suggest to me that his ceiling had been reached.
I don't think people understand that there aren't many coaches better than Brian Kelly and that it was much more likely that they would have won a national championship WITH him than whomever they replace him with.
And I don't even particularly like the guy.
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My point is that it would have hardly been shocking to have him win a championship in the next decade had he stuck around Notre Dame. He consistently got them to the brink of a championship...just not over the finish line.
On the brink is a very generous view of losses by scores of 42-14 (at one point 35-0), 30-3, and 31-14 (at one point 31-7). Not just in playoff games, Kelly's teams rarely were competitive against any top-flight opponents. His Notre Dame teams went 3-10 vs top 10 opponents, and one of those wins was in OT against a Trevor Lawrence-less Clemson.
He did a good job at Notre Dame and, as you said, was their best coach since Holtz. But I wouldn't assume that Brian Kelly hit Notre Dame's ceiling. Maybe he just hit his ceiling.
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I guess I don't understand what his ceiling is and how a guy named Brian Kelly, who won at every level he has coached, almost entirely in the Midwest, isn't the "right person." I mean, he got them to a championship game in the BCS era and two semifinals in the playoff era. That is closer to a title than any time post 1988.
Perhaps the answer is Luke Fickell, who is leading Cincinnati to their first undefeated regular season since...Brian Kelly did in 2009.
It's his ceiling at ND. ND does not allow JUCO transfers and does actually have academic standards for admission (not the pretend ones Bucky has) which limits his recruiting pool. He was highly unlikely going to get a top 5 class at ND because of that (2022 and 2023 classes are top 3 but those are just with verbals and other schools far from complete).
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On the brink is a very generous view of losses by scores of 42-14 (at one point 35-0), 30-3, and 31-14 (at one point 31-7). Not just in playoff games, Kelly's teams rarely were competitive against any top-flight opponents. His Notre Dame teams went 3-10 vs top 10 opponents, and one of those wins was in OT against a Trevor Lawrence-less Clemson.
He did a good job at Notre Dame and, as you said, was their best coach since Holtz. But I wouldn't assume that Brian Kelly hit Notre Dame's ceiling. Maybe he just hit his ceiling.
Your opinion is your opinion but losing a championship game meets my definition of on the brink.
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On the brink is a very generous view of losses by scores of 42-14 (at one point 35-0), 30-3, and 31-14 (at one point 31-7). Not just in playoff games, Kelly's teams rarely were competitive against any top-flight opponents. His Notre Dame teams went 3-10 vs top 10 opponents, and one of those wins was in OT against a Trevor Lawrence-less Clemson.
He did a good job at Notre Dame and, as you said, was their best coach since Holtz. But I wouldn't assume that Brian Kelly hit Notre Dame's ceiling. Maybe he just hit his ceiling.
Of course you’re right. “On the brink” is beyond generous. And saying Kelly is the best coach ND has ever had is as dumb as saying Mick Cronin is the best coach in UCLA history.
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Of course you’re right. “On the brink” is beyond generous. And saying Kelly is the best coach ND has ever had is as dumb as saying Mick Cronin is the best coach in UCLA history.
Clearly you didn’t see my post where I walked that back. Reading multiple posts is too much for you to handle these days I guess.
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Notre Dame has played in 1 national title game and made 2 national semifinals. What is “on the brink” if that isn’t?
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Any coach worth hiring will relish the challenge of taking on the best of the best most every week.
Yeah, 100 mil gives lottsa folks da nads ta take on da best, aina?
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Wouldn’t it be something if what happens in the various conference title games this weekend results in ND making the playoffs … and if whoever coaches ND leads them to the title?
Would kinda blow a hole in the argument that Kelly had to leave ND to win a title.
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Wouldn’t it be something if what happens in the various conference title games this weekend results in ND making the playoffs … and if whoever coaches ND leads them to the title?
Would kinda blow a hole in the argument that Kelly had to leave ND to win a title.
Fickell waits to see which of Cincy/ND makes the playoffs and goes from there?
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Notre Dame has played in 1 national title game and made 2 national semifinals. What is “on the brink” if that isn’t?
Notre Dame has been outclassed in all of those games. Could have replayed them 50 times and lost them all. They were on the brink of being embarrassed and humiliated. And then they were.
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Clearly you didn’t see my post where I walked that back. Reading multiple posts is too much for you to handle these days I guess.
So he’s gone from being the best in ND history to better than Bob Davie, Tyrone Willingham and Charlie Weis (big frickin’ deal) but not as good as Rockne, Leahy, Ara, Holtz and maybe Divine. That’s quite a walk back - why not just admit you originally said a dumb thing?
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Notre Dame has played in 1 national title game and made 2 national semifinals. What is “on the brink” if that isn’t?
On the brink implies that something is close to happening. They were never close to a championship. Those games were non-competetive from the get-go.
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So he’s gone from being the best in ND history to better than Bob Davie, Tyrone Willingham and Charlie Weis (big frickin’ deal) but not as good as Rockne, Leahy, Ara, Holtz and maybe Divine. That’s quite a walk back - why not just admit you originally said a dumb thing?
Isn’t walking something back pretty much that?
You’re really argumentative over the most pedantic things.
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On the brink implies that something is close to happening. They were never close to a championship. Those games were non-competetive from the get-go.
Finishing second is on the brink.
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Isn’t walking something back pretty much that?
You’re really argumentative over the most pedantic things.
You accidentally say funny things every once in a while.
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Finishing second is on the brink.
Not when you're down 28-0 in the second quarter.
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Not when you're down 28-0 in the second quarter.
It is though. By definition if you are playing in a national championship game you are on the brink of winning a title. If Notre Dame hasn’t been on the brink of a national title under Kelly then there is no “on the brink.” It’s either you’re the champion or you weren’t close.
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I am consistently amazed by Scoop's ability to argue over vocabulary
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I am consistently amazed by Scoop's ability to argue over vocabulary
Is it really "arguing," though? This seemed like more of a debate or dispute or perhaps a kerfuffle over semantics.
"Argue"? Unbelievable. So typical of a Millennial like you, TAMU.
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Some interesting goings on between Oklahoma and USC.
https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/is-roy-manning-recruiting-for-both-lincoln-riley-and-oklahoma
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I am consistently amazed by Scoop's ability to argue over vocabulary
considering Millennials and Gen Z have completely changed the definition of many words it's no surprise people argue over vocabulary. When someone says they "literally died" after a close game then it's appropriate to call out their choice of words (unless they really did rise from the dead, but I don't think Christ is coming back to attend basketball games on the down low).
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considering Millennials and Gen Z have completely changed the definition of many words it's no surprise people argue over vocabulary. When someone says they "literally died" after a close game then it's appropriate to call out their choice of words (unless they really did rise from the dead, but I don't think Christ is coming back to attend basketball games on the down low).
For sure those 2 groups are the first in history to change language use
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considering Millennials and Gen Z have completely changed the definition of many words it's no surprise people argue over vocabulary. When someone says they "literally died" after a close game then it's appropriate to call out their choice of words (unless they really did rise from the dead, but I don't think Christ is coming back to attend basketball games on the down low).
Dude, just stop. Definitions of words have changed since there was language. Put your hate boner for the young people away.
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On the brink is a very generous view of losses by scores of 42-14 (at one point 35-0), 30-3, and 31-14 (at one point 31-7). Not just in playoff games, Kelly's teams rarely were competitive against any top-flight opponents. His Notre Dame teams went 3-10 vs top 10 opponents, and one of those wins was in OT against a Trevor Lawrence-less Clemson.
He did a good job at Notre Dame and, as you said, was their best coach since Holtz. But I wouldn't assume that Brian Kelly hit Notre Dame's ceiling. Maybe he just hit his ceiling.
On the brink implies that something is close to happening. They were never close to a championship. Those games were non-competetive from the get-go.
Thank you, this is what I meant. There might be someone else who could do it at ND, there might not. But my opinion is I don't think Kelly was ever going to be the guy to do it, despite all his success.
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considering Millennials and Gen Z have completely changed the definition of many words it's no surprise people argue over vocabulary. When someone says they "literally died" after a close game then it's appropriate to call out their choice of words (unless they really did rise from the dead, but I don't think Christ is coming back to attend basketball games on the down low).
Yes, it's only in the last 20 years that the English language has evolved.
This may be literally the dumbest post in Scoop history.
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Yes, it's only in the last 20 years that the English language has evolved.
This may be literally the dumbest post in Scoop history.
I blame the media
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Championship Weekend
Friday, Dec. 3
Western Kentucky at UTSA (Conference USA Championship Game in San Antonio, Texas) | 6 p.m. | CBSSN
No. 10 Oregon vs. No. 17 Utah (Pac-12 Championship Game in Las Vegas, Nevada) | 7 p.m. | ABC
Saturday, Dec. 4
No. 9 Baylor vs. No. 5 Oklahoma State (Big 12 Championship Game in Arlington, Texas) | 11a.m. | ABC
Kent State vs. Northern Illinois (MAC Championship Game in Detroit, Michigan) | 11 a.m. | ESPN
Utah State vs. No. 19 San Diego Sate (Mountain West Championship Game in Carson, California) | 2 p.m. | FOX
Appalachian State at No. 24 Louisiana (Sun Belt Championship Game) | 2:30 p.m. | ESPN
No. 1 Georgia vs. No. 3 Alabama (SEC Championship Game in Atlanta, Georgia) | 3 p.m. | CBS
No. 21 Houston at No. 4 Cincinnati (AAC Championship Game) | 3 p.m. | ABC
No. 15 Pitt vs. No. 16 Wake Forest (ACC Championship Game in Charlotte, North Carolina) | 7 p.m. | ABC
No. 2 Michigan vs. No. 13 Iowa (Big Ten Championship Game in Indianapolis, Indiana) | 7 p.m. | FOX
USC at Cal | 10 p.m. | FS1
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considering Millennials and Gen Z have completely changed the definition of many words it's no surprise people argue over vocabulary. When someone says they "literally died" after a close game then it's appropriate to call out their choice of words (unless they really did rise from the dead, but I don't think Christ is coming back to attend basketball games on the down low).
(https://c.tenor.com/eR6ScJL6EToAAAAC/tommy-boy-earth.gif)
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Brother Hards:
LSU pays more, yes.
But look at what you're up against. Georgia and Alabama are two of the top teams in the nation.
Florida, Mississippi, Texas A&M, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee and soon, Oklahoma and Texas, are traditional powers that had varying degrees of success in the past 20 years.
Which leaves Mississippi State, Missouri, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vanderbilt as the only soft parts of the conference
You're effectively fighting a war every week against the nation's very best football teams with a fan base that will cut you at the knees if you lose a single game. At Notre Dame, one and maybe even two losses might get you to the playoffs.
Look, everybody says money, but somehow I'd bet Notre Dame could match LSU. It's about Nattys and, sorry Domers, the look of this job change is you can, maybe, win a natty at LSU. You aren't likely to do so at Notre Dame. At day's end, I gotta believe that's the ONLY reason Kelly moved.
Then I think we generally agree.
The problem with ND (and Indiana basketball) is that they're constantly looking backwards. And they think that the rest of college football cares. Their fans are delusional the same way Celtics fans were in the mid 90s. The sport changed and left them behind and they haven't figured out that they're not the top dog anymore.
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I haven't seen Iowa play 30 seconds of football this season. How likely is it they actually beat Michigan?
Michigan played at a very high level vs. Ohio State. We'll see how good Coach Harbaugh is at getting his team to avoid a letdown. There's so much on the line that it seems impossible they'd have a letdown, but who knows?
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I don't think it is terribly likely that Iowa wins, but Iowa mucks up games by running the ball well while preventing the other team from doing so. If Iowa wins, they will win ugly.
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I don't think it is terribly likely that Iowa wins, but Iowa mucks up games by running the ball well while preventing the other team from doing so. If Iowa wins, they will win ugly.
I dont disagree. But Michigan's strength matches up with Iowa's pretty well. I don't know how Iowa scores cause their offense is horrid and Michigan's D is tough. It won't be shootout in any case.
Oregon-Utah is a great revenge game for the Ducks.
OK St-Baylor is similarly fueled and very promising.
And obviously the SEC championship will be something else.
Could be the lamest ACC championship featuring ranked teams maybe ever
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I dont disagree. But Michigan's strength matches up with Iowa's pretty well. I don't know how Iowa scores cause their offense is horrid and Michigan's D is tough. It won't be shootout in any case.
Oregon-Utah is a great revenge game for the Ducks.
OK St-Baylor is similarly fueled and very promising.
And obviously the SEC championship will be something else.
Could be the lamest ACC championship featuring ranked teams maybe ever
Wait, are you saying you're not enthralled by Pitt v. Wake?
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Wait, are you saying you're not enthralled by Pitt v. Wake?
Actually if you changed the names of these schools, say FSU vs UNC most would be singing a different tune.
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I dont disagree. But Michigan's strength matches up with Iowa's pretty well. I don't know how Iowa scores cause their offense is horrid and Michigan's D is tough. It won't be shootout in any case.
Oregon-Utah is a great revenge game for the Ducks.
OK St-Baylor is similarly fueled and very promising.
And obviously the SEC championship will be something else.
Could be the lamest ACC championship featuring ranked teams maybe ever
Thanks for your info on Iowa. (You too, FBM.)
I'll be keeping an eye on Okla St vs Baylor during time-outs in Marquette's victory over Madison, and I'll definitely watch Georgia-Bama. My wife and I have plans Sat night so I'll have to catch the highlights of Michigan-Iowa. If it's as big a slog as you say, I won't miss much!
I don't care about the Pac-12 and ACC games because there are no national implications. I guess I'm mildly interested in the ACC game because I've seen the Pitt QB's name linked to the Panthers in a few early mock drafts.
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Actually if you changed the names of these schools, say FSU vs UNC most would be singing a different tune.
Its less about the schools not being "prestigious" football names and more that neither are all that great. Wake is a nice story and they have a really fun offense, but they are pretty meh and have no wins of note and got whomped by a down year Clemson. Pitt is the same including a loss to a really mediocre MAC team. The ACC just stinks out loud this year.
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Actually if you changed the names of these schools, say FSU vs UNC most would be singing a different tune.
At least the stadium would be more than half full with those two schools.
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At least the stadium would be more than half full with those two schools.
Yeah, I just saw a Groupon deal for the game. Seriously.
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I didn't even think Groupon was still around.
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Reports coming out that former Bears legend Marcus Freeman is the next ND coach. Interesting. Seems like trying to keep the Kelly program intact I guess. Youngest coach since Bob Davie and only the second coach in 70+ years at ND with no HC experience. The other was of course the wildly successful Charlie Weis
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Gerry Faust
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Gerry Faust
He was a high school head coach. But yeah…
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Gerry Faust
Faust was an insanely successful HS coach for almost 20 years. It’s still being the HC of a team/program for awhile.
Freeman could be a great success but his age/experience/etc… at hiring is beyond unheard of there
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Looks like it’s Freeman.
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Best bets for conference championship weekend? Heading to a sportsbook this weekend.
I have my thoughts but college football is not my strongest sport.
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Best bets for conference championship weekend? Heading to a sportsbook this weekend.
I have my thoughts but college football is not my strongest sport.
The Under in Mich-Iowa.
Probably the under in Bama-UGA too
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Looks like Steve Addazio's college coaching days are over.
Fired Colorado State coach Steve Addazio likely called a Black custodian "boy" in a discussion over a closed bathroom in October 2020, according to a university investigation.
https://sports.yahoo.com/investigation-fired-colorado-state-coach-steve-addazio-likely-called-black-custodian-boy-024429754.html
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Looks like Steve Addazio's college coaching days are over.
Fired Colorado State coach Steve Addazio likely called a Black custodian "boy" in a discussion over a closed bathroom in October 2020, according to a university investigation.
https://sports.yahoo.com/investigation-fired-colorado-state-coach-steve-addazio-likely-called-black-custodian-boy-024429754.html
Hey, he didnt mean it like that, its very common parlance in Southern places where he grew up in...(checks notes)...Connecticut.
But lets be real, he really got fired cause he's just not good at being a HC.
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https://twitter.com/Mike_Bundt/status/1466224226818473989
How y'all doin' tonaaaaaaaaaght?
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I am consistently amazed by Scoop's ability to argue over vocabulary
When you cannot argue substance, you argue style. People who do this are either journalists too hung up in prose to recognize their reporting sucks or folks who realize they've been had intellectually and try to debase representatives of the "other side" with snide remarks about the use of the English language.
Look, I'm all in favor of correct use of vocabulary. But amid a debate about policy, economics etc., I'm less hung up on how people say something than what they're saying.
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https://twitter.com/Mike_Bundt/status/1466224226818473989
How y'all doin' tonaaaaaaaaaght?
That was hilarious. Give him the Emmy. I wonder how a fake southern accent is playing in Louisiana? I'm guessing most don't care ... as long as he wins.
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Hey, he didnt mean it like that, its very common parlance in Southern places where he grew up in...(checks notes)...Connecticut.
But lets be real, he really got fired cause he's just not good at being a HC.
He was an all-time great HS coach here.
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https://twitter.com/Mike_Bundt/status/1466224226818473989
How y'all doin' tonaaaaaaaaaght?
Haha that's incredible. Truly the snake oil salesmen of our day.
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Hey, he didnt mean it like that, its very common parlance in Southern places where he grew up in...(checks notes)...Connecticut.
But lets be real, he really got fired cause he's just not good at being a HC.
Buyout dropped from $5 million to $3 million and his record was very bad at CSU.
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Mendenhall's surprise resignation
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/virginia-coach-bronco-mendenhalls-surprise-resignation-tilted-college-football-back-on-its-axis-a-bit/
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https://twitter.com/Mike_Bundt/status/1466224226818473989
How y'all doin' tonaaaaaaaaaght?
That pronunciation of "fam-a-ly" was special
Mendenhall's surprise resignation
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/virginia-coach-bronco-mendenhalls-surprise-resignation-tilted-college-football-back-on-its-axis-a-bit/
Kind of an odd article, maybe his agent angling to get him a TV gig. It was always a weird fit. He wasn't very good at UVA so making him sort of honorable gentleman for stepping down is interesting.
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Kind of an odd article, maybe his agent angling to get him a TV gig. It was always a weird fit. He wasn't very good at UVA so making him sort of honorable gentleman for stepping down is interesting.
Yeah I thought the tone of that article was a little strange. "Commissioner of College Football" Huh? Why would that even need to be a thing?
Anyway it sounds like his wife is miserable. And maybe he is too. Probably just move back west and see what happens.
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Yeah I thought the tone of that article was a little strange. "Commissioner of College Football" Huh? Why would that even need to be a thing?
Anyway it sounds like his wife is miserable. And maybe he is too. Probably just move back west and see what happens.
Dude had a history of players grabbing and punching opponents in the junk. Commissioner of the Big Ten maybe
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That pronunciation of "fam-a-ly" was special
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1466602743573856262
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1466602743573856262
Brilliant. Love it
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Phony.
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Phony.
He's a total jagoff who has been disliked outside of on the field success everywhere he's went. Gotta try to do something to charm the locals!
In other news, Manny Diaz hasn't been fired at Miami yet but they are supposedly open up the vault to make a run at Mario Cristobal. Frankly I hope he takes it and succeeds and schedules FIU to throw up 70 on them.
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I rather enjoy the fact people who are attacking Kelly for leaving for a better job and ridiculous money most could only dream about wouldn't hesitate more than 30 seconds before doing the same. As one college coach texted to me this morning while sending that clip, "$100 million would change my definition of 'family' really quickly."
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I rather enjoy the fact people who are attacking Kelly for leaving for a better job and ridiculous money most could only dream about wouldn't hesitate more than 30 seconds before doing the same. As one college coach texted to me this morning while sending that clip, "$100 million would change my definition of 'family' really quickly."
Agreed. It’s also ridiculous when grown men attack kids for transferring and getting mad they don’t have to sit out for a year
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I rather enjoy the fact people who are attacking Kelly for leaving for a better job and ridiculous money most could only dream about wouldn't hesitate more than 30 seconds before doing the same. As one college coach texted to me this morning while sending that clip, "$100 million would change my definition of 'family' really quickly."
Nobody is attacking him for leaving. He's just being a clown about it like he always has. I don't disagree that it was a no brainer. But that doesn't mean you have to fake an accent.
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I haven't seen anyone here criticize Kelly for taking the LSU job other than one poster who thinks ND is the better job
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He's a total jagoff who has been disliked outside of on the field success everywhere he's went. Gotta try to do something to charm the locals!
He sure comes off as a total jagoff. I (true confession time) lhave a number of ND fans as friends and not one of them can stand the guy.
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This is wild.
https://www.columbian.com/news/2021/dec/03/burnt-ends-and-blowing-smoke-brian-kelly-at-vancouver-home-of-notre-dame-recruit-merriweather-when-news-of-lsu-departure-broke/
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This is wild.
https://www.columbian.com/news/2021/dec/03/burnt-ends-and-blowing-smoke-brian-kelly-at-vancouver-home-of-notre-dame-recruit-merriweather-when-news-of-lsu-departure-broke/
We've always talked about how it takes a unique personality (and frankly a bit of insanity) to be a major college coach. I can't even imagine recruiting and I do sales regularly. But this sort of stuff is just mind blowing. The disassociation of it all.
I remember feeling weird the first time I left my job for a better position. It was weird telling my manager who I liked and who was happy for me. When I came to my current job, we had to work out a 5-6 month lead time to sort some things out. In that time, at my previous job at Pepsi, I had gotten a new manager who I knew pretty well who promoted me and then went on maternity leave. I felt kind of weird and guilty working in that situation for awhile knowing I was leaving soon, actually less than a month after she would be back from leave. And that was being in marketing working in Excel and Powerpoint, not convincing young men to trust me with their futures. Just wild stuff indeed.
(Billy, this is not a personal criticism of Kelly, even though this is a bad look, again, I frankly think he did the right thing leaving 8-))
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Great atmosphere at the Pac 12 championship game last night. They moved it to Vegas and it was probably 3/4 Utah fans. My guess is that they'll be all over Pasadena as well.
And having Mario Christobal as your head coach must be the most infuriating experience. All the resources in the world, great recruiting, but shi**ting the bed when it matters most.
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Great atmosphere at the Pac 12 championship game last night. They moved it to Vegas and it was probably 3/4 Utah fans. My guess is that they'll be all over Pasadena as well.
And having Mario Christobal as your head coach must be the most infuriating experience. All the resources in the world, great recruiting, but shi**ting the bed when it matters most.
He’s 35-13 at Oregon in 4 seasons and is 2-1 in Pac-12 title games and has a Rose Bowl win.
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That is a charitable way to frame his tenure at Oregon
He has been their four full years. In his second year, they indeed had a great year with Justin Herbert as QB.
Last year, they only went to the Pac-12 championship with a 4-3 record because Washington had a COVID outbreak. Then got hammered by Iowa State in the Fiesta Bowl.
This year they beat Ohio State in September. Then played a schedule that included only two ranked teams - both were Utah and both were blowout losses. Oh and they lost to a Stanford team that finished 3-9.
And the last few years the Pac 12 has been historically bad. Who has been the second best team in the Pac 12 during Christobal's tenure?
I'm not saying he is a terrible coach or that he should be fired, but this feels how his tenure has played out. Some good wins, some head scratching losses, and a lot of inconsistent play.
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That is a charitable way to frame his tenure at Oregon
He has been their four full years. In his second year, they indeed had a great year with Justin Herbert as QB.
Last year, they only went to the Pac-12 championship with a 4-3 record because Washington had a COVID outbreak. Then got hammered by Iowa State in the Fiesta Bowl.
This year they beat Ohio State in September. Then played a schedule that included only two ranked teams - both were Utah and both were blowout losses. Oh and they lost to a Stanford team that finished 3-9.
And the last few years the Pac 12 has been historically bad. Who has been the second best team in the Pac 12 during Christobal's tenure?
I'm not saying he is a terrible coach or that he should be fired, but this feels how his tenure has played out. Some good wins, some head scratching losses, and a lot of inconsistent play.
Welcome to college football. Oregon isn’t a blue blood. Very good program with a lot of great resources. A lot of programs would take the last 4 years at Oregon
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Welcome to college football. Oregon isn’t a blue blood. Very good program with a lot of great resources. A lot of programs would take the last 4 years at Oregon
Again, I am not disputing this. You don't seem to be reading what I am writing. They are a program that recruits well but at key points of the season, doesn't perform. And that's more than a "welcome to college football" type of issue.
This is kind of what I mean.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/john_canzano/2021/12/canzano-another-utah-throttling-of-oregon-ducks-leaves-questions-only-mario-cristobal-can-answer.html
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Again, I am not disputing this. You don't seem to be reading what I am writing. They are a program that recruits well but at key points of the season, doesn't perform. And that's more than a "welcome to college football" type of issue.
This is kind of what I mean.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/john_canzano/2021/12/canzano-another-utah-throttling-of-oregon-ducks-leaves-questions-only-mario-cristobal-can-answer.html
Maybe Utah is better? Kyle Whittingham is a pretty good coach, too. It’s entirely possible Mario Cristobal recognizes this and will adjust accordingly.
I get what you’re saying. I disagree. Two years ago, they didn’t have any late season issues. I suppose we can give all the credit to Justin Herbert if that’s the narrative we want. I’d probably be more concerned if they had lost two games late that season versus this.
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Maybe Utah is better? Kyle Whittingham is a pretty good coach, too. It’s entirely possible Mario Cristobal recognizes this and will adjust accordingly.
I get what you’re saying. I disagree. Two years ago, they didn’t have any late season issues. I suppose we can give all the credit to Justin Herbert if that’s the narrative we want. I’d probably be more concerned if they had lost two games late that season versus this.
Isn’t that kind of the point? Cristobal is a good enough coach to have them in the top 20 most years with a chance to compete in the playoffs when it all comes together. However, he’s doesn’t have them a the level of an OSU or Oklahoma who are routinely in the hunt for a playoff spot.
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Isn’t that kind of the point? Cristobal is a good enough coach to have them in the top 20 most years with a chance to compete in the playoffs when it all comes together. However, he’s doesn’t have them a the level of an OSU or Oklahoma who are routinely in the hunt for a playoff spot.
I think that’s the ceiling for them and Washington. If and when USC becomes a juggernaut again, that job is even harder. That’s why I wouldn’t blame him for taking the Miami job
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The attendance (56,511) was really better in Las Vegas than in Santa Clara. Great move by the conference of champions.
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Oklahoma State playoffs hope are here on this final drive on ABC.
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Oklahoma State playoffs hope are here on this final drive on ABC.
Been a bit of a slobberknocker
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That was unbelievable.
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unnatural carnal knowledge Baylor. Covers up rape, cheats, fires those whose job it was to enforce the rules because football needs to win.
Terrible third down call by Okie State too.
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That was unbelievable.
Eight plays in the fourth quarter inside the five and no touchdowns.
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What a goal line stand. Defense in the Big 12.
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Eight plays in the fourth quarter inside the five and no touchdowns.
7 plays inside the 2 yard line. Amazing to see.
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Ive never seen so much lack of imagination or creativity on offense than those last 2 OK St goal line possessions.
Also, if I'm an Ok St fan, I can't WAIT for Spencer Smith to graduate cause he stinks. I have no clue how he was first team All-B12
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Congrats, Baylor! Great to see!
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Getting one on one at the goal line on 4th down in the conf championship game with 30 Seconds on a game deciding play and getting the stop should only show up in a movie script. That was awesome.
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No.
ND's highest ranking in the final AP poll under Kelly was 4th. They finished unranked more often (four times) than they finished in the top 10 (three times). His record in major bowl games (playoffs or Jan. 1 group) is 0-4, losing by 28, 16, 27 and 17 points in those games. His winning percentage at ND is .739.
Let's compare him with Ara Parseghian. Four finishes in the AP top 3, including two national titles. 3-2 record in major bowl games. Two undefeated seasons. Zero seasons unranked. Nine seasons ranked in the top 10. Winning percentage at ND of .836.
Really, it's not close.
Other coaches with titles and better win percentages at ND: Dan Devine, Lou Holtz, Frank Leahy, Knute Rockne*.
* = pre AP final poll
Ara set the standard for ND Football. During his tenure they were consistently in The National Championship discussion literally every year . Their rivalry with USC during that time was incredible .
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Ara set the standard for ND Football. During his tenure they were consistently in The National Championship discussion literally every year . Their rivalry with USC during that time was incredible .
Ara’s time and record is irrelevant to 2022
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ND's playoff chances improved significantly with the Okla State loss.
I'm a hater ... but I have to admit that it would be pretty cool if Kelly's replacement wins a title after Kelly left to have a better shot at a title.
Actually, he left for the $$$, but the other thing, too.
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Steve Fischer.
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Dawgs/Tide is a lot of fun. Have no idea how Bryce Young was able to recover that football.
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Dawgs/Tide is a lot of fun. Have no idea how Bryce Young was able to recover that football.
A really important play on his part. He’s been incredible today after taking a beating last week at Auburn
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Dawgs/Tide is a lot of fun. Have no idea how Bryce Young was able to recover that football.
He just threw an absolute ROCKET for that last TD. He's unreal.
So, Bama, UGA, Michigan, and Cincy? There is no way in hell they can put ND in over Cincy. And Cincy thumping a ranked opponent today should be the coup de grace.
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He just threw an absolute ROCKET for that last TD. He's unreal.
So, Bama, UGA, Michigan, and Cincy? There is no way in hell they can put ND in over Cincy. And Cincy thumping a ranked opponent today should be the coup de grace.
Cincinnati is in.
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He just threw an absolute ROCKET for that last TD. He's unreal.
So, Bama, UGA, Michigan, and Cincy? There is no way in hell they can put ND in over Cincy. And Cincy thumping a ranked opponent today should be the coup de grace.
They can put ND in over a two loss Michigan.
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They can put ND in over a two loss Michigan.
Right, but I can't see Michigan losing to a dogsh** Iowa team, but who knows.
Better Bama QB, Young or Tua?
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Right, but I can't see Michigan losing to a dogsh** Iowa team, but who knows.
Better Bama QB, Young or Tua?
Young sure looks pretty poised back there. He’s less mobile than Tua, though it doesn’t look that way tonight
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Ass kickin', hey?
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Death, taxes, Alabama.
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Kirby Smart panicking into bad decisions against Bama is very on brand.
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Even if Michigan rolls, watch the committee won't rematch Alabama/Georgia in the semi's.
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Even if Michigan rolls, watch the committee won't rematch Alabama/Georgia in the semi's.
I thought maybe you make Bama #1 cause this is impressive as hell.
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I thought maybe you make Bama #1 cause this is impressive as hell.
Assuming Bama holds on and Michigan wins…
Bama v Cincy
Georgia v Michigan
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I thought maybe you make Bama #1 cause this is impressive as hell.
I think he meant they’d put UGA at 3, which is kind of what I think they might do, too
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Assuming Bama holds on and Michigan wins…
Bama v Cincy
Georgia v Michigan
This seems correct. Doesn't really matter much who's #2 and who's #3.
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I thought maybe you make Bama #1 cause this is impressive as hell.
If Michigan rolls, they should be #1. Yet, the committee is not going to put two SEC teams playing against each other if the semi's.
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Last SEC East team to beat Alabama? The 2010 South Carolina Gamecocks.
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Last SEC East team to beat Alabama? The 2010 South Carolina Gamecocks.
I remember that game. It was a blowout. Long time ago now. Wow.
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If Michigan rolls, they should be #1. Yet, the committee is not going to put two SEC teams playing against each other if the semi's.
Why should they be #1?
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Why should they be #1?
Well, they are ahead of Alabama now. If, Michigan rolls they shouldn't be jumped. Poll era that wouldn't happen.
If there wasn't two SEC teams involved they wouldn't be jumped. They will be jumped to avoid a rematch in the semi's.
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Well, they are ahead of Alabama now. If, Michigan rolls they shouldn't be jumped. Poll era that wouldn't happen.
If there wasn't two SEC teams involved they wouldn't be jumped. They will be jumped to avoid a rematch in the semi's.
When #3 beats #1, they can jump #2.
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When #3 beats #1, they can jump #2.
Wouldn't happen in the poll era. Wouldn't happen if there wasn't two SEC teams involved to avoid a semifinal rematch.
Yes, Alabama will be #1 at 11:15am on Sunday.
Let's hope Georgia is #4. I won't hold my breath.
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Wouldn't happen in the poll era.
Exactly. Which is why it’s the right thing to do.
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Jeez…
Forgot the semifinals were on NYE. So we can see a bunch of lesser games on January 1. What a joke.
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Jeez…
Forgot the semifinals were on NYE. So we can see a bunch of lesser games on January 1. What a joke.
NYD will still be fun. Guessing on these.
Fiesta: Michigan State/ND
Rose: Ohio State/Utah
Sugar: Baylor/Ole Miss
Citrus: Texas A&M/Iowa
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NYD will still be fun. Guessing on these.
Fiesta: Michigan State/ND
Rose: Ohio State/Utah
Sugar: Baylor/Ole Miss
Citrus: Texas A&M/Iowa
I mean yeah. But why put your national semifinals on Friday, December 31. That’s moronic.
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I mean yeah. But why put your national semifinals on Friday, December 31. That’s moronic.
It’s one of the worst mistakes they made with regards to the playoff
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I mean yeah. But why put your national semifinals on Friday, December 31. That’s moronic.
They did move away from the mistake of 2 out of 3 years being played on NYE. Since, NYE lands on a Friday that's why the date didn't change. Yes, it's terrible to maximize viewership. Too many people go out to celebrate.
College Football can still and should back to owning NYD. I believe the 12 team playoff will have quarterfinal games on NYD.
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O$U jumped TCU to make the Playoff in 2014. The Big 12 didn’t have a conference title game, and TCU fell from 3 in the CFP rankings going into the conference title games to 6 in the CFP rankings by not playing a game.
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I believe TCU played that day and won by 38 points.
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It’s one thing for Kirk Ferentz to have his huge basically lifetime contract for a guy who never won a Rose Bowl and has had 1 top 10 team in a decade.
It’s another to allow his son to be OC who is absolutely horrid. Holy hell is the play calling hilariously bad
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Harbaugh just went for a statement making F You drive there up 28-3. Throwing the ball all over, some trickery, not running clock. I’ve got no dog in the fight but good for him and them, something to prove and delivering
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Looks like Brent Venables to Oklahoma. This would be a good hire. I think the pendulum has been moving back to the defensive side of the ball for a couple of years now.
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Looks like Brent Venables to Oklahoma. This would be a good hire. I think the pendulum has been moving back to the defensive side of the ball for a couple of years now.
Clemson’s OC is rumored to be in the mix for Virginia or Duke. How Dabo fills those positions will be interesting.
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Clemson’s OC is rumored to be in the mix for Virginia or Duke. How Dabo fills those positions will be interesting.
Joe Brady's available!
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As we expected:
Bama/Cincy
Michigan/Dawgs
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Joe Brady's available!
When I wrote that, I thought I was kidding. Turns out he IS available! Rhule just canned him.
He’d probably be best served going back to college.
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When I wrote that, I thought I was kidding. Turns out he IS available! Rhule just canned him.
He’d probably be best served going back to college.
He’ll be Venables OC at Oklahoma IMO
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As we expected:
Bama/Cincy
Michigan/Dawgs
I think they got it right. They claim they didn’t purposely avoid an immediate Bama-Ga rematch, and folks can choose to believe or disbelieve that, but I’d have gone with the same 1-4 rankings. Georgia is simply better than Cincy IMHO.
Also, I completely agree with those who said having the playoffs on NYE is stupid.
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I think they got it right. They claim they didn’t purposely avoid an immediate Bama-Ga rematch, and folks can choose to believe or disbelieve that, but I’d have gone with the same 1-4 rankings. Georgia is simply better than Cincy IMHO.
Also, I completely agree with those who said having the playoffs on NYE is stupid.
Yea I don't have an issue. Georgia, yesterday withstanding, is better than Cincy with a better resume.
And Bama being #1 is legit. They have better wins than Michigan. Michigan's 1 loss is arguably better than Bama's loss. But Bama destroyed the consensus best team in the country, thats a good enough tiebreaker for me
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Dec. 31
Cotton Bowl
Arlington, Texas
2:30 p.m. (ESPN)
(1) Alabama vs. (4) Cincinnati
Dec. 31
Orange Bowl
Miami Gardens, Fla.
6:30 p.m. (ESPN)
(2) Michigan vs. (3) Georgia
New Year's Six bowl games
Dec. 30
Peach
Atlanta
6 p.m. (ESPN)
(10) Michigan State vs. (12) Pittsburgh
Jan. 1
Fiesta
Glendale, Ariz.
12 p.m. (ESPN)
(5) Notre Dame vs. (9) Oklahoma State
Jan. 1
Rose
Pasadena, Calif.
4 p.m. (ESPN)
(6) Ohio State vs. (11) Utah
Jan. 1
Sugar
New Orleans
7:45 p.m. (ESPN)
(7) Baylor vs. (8) Ole Miss
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Dec. 31
Cotton Bowl
Arlington, Texas
2:30 p.m. (ESPN)
(1) Alabama vs. (4) Cincinnati
Dec. 31
Orange Bowl
Miami Gardens, Fla.
6:30 p.m. (ESPN)
(2) Michigan vs. (3) Georgia
New Year's Six bowl games
Dec. 30
Peach
Atlanta
6 p.m. (ESPN)
(10) Michigan State vs. (12) Pittsburgh
Jan. 1
Fiesta
Glendale, Ariz.
12 p.m. (ESPN)
(5) Notre Dame vs. (9) Oklahoma State
Jan. 1
Rose
Pasadena, Calif.
4 p.m. (ESPN)
(6) Ohio State vs. (11) Utah
Jan. 1
Sugar
New Orleans
7:45 p.m. (ESPN)
(7) Baylor vs. (8) Ole Miss
Thanks for the sked.
Not that you were asking but ... I'll watch Bama-Cincy for sure; Mich-Ga will be on in the background at our NYE party; I'll watch little if any of the others, especially ND-OkSt, which is opposite America's Game (aka MU-Creighton hoops)!
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Thanks for the sked.
Not that you were asking but ... I'll watch Bama-Cincy for sure; Mich-Ga will be on in the background at our NYE party; I'll watch little if any of the others, especially ND-OkSt, which is opposite America's Game (aka MU-Creighton hoops)!
The reason it is on NYE is because the Rose Bowl refuses to move. Well f*ck the Rose Bowl. If they want to continue to be a part of this in the future, they need to be flexible.
Or if the conferences don't want to do that, put one semifinal at Noon, Rose Bowl at 3:30, then other semi at 7:00.
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Semi Final game should be in the Rose Bowl every year on NYD. :)
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One of the better minor bowl games , will be South Carolina versus UNC in Charlotte .
I expect the stadium will be full with fans from both teams .
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This situation at Miami is WILD.
They have an offer out to Mario Cristobal. If he declines...they will just keep Manny Diaz. Oh yea, they also don't have an AD. They'll just sort that out after the coaching search.
GOOD GRIEF
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Rich Eisen reacting to the Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley moves …
Kelly jumped from a team that had a realistic chance of being in the playoffs this year.
Riley bolted on a team that was eligible for a January 1 bowl.
So, never again complain when players skip a bowl to prepare for the draft like the criticism Christian McCafferty suffered a few years ago.
Never again complain when players transfer.
It is a business and they are making business decisions because this is professional sports.
Is he wrong?
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Rich Eisen reacting to the Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley moves …
Kelly jumped from a team that had a realistic chance of being in the playoffs this year.
Riley bolted on a team that was eligible for a January 1 bowl.
So, never again complain when players skip a bowl to prepare for the draft like the criticism Christian McCafferty suffered a few years ago.
Never again complain when players transfer.
It is a business and they are making business decisions because this is professional sports.
Is he wrong?
No
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I can’t fathom people getting bent out of shape for a player skipping a non-CFO bowl or non-NYD bowl game
As for coaches, I think some could handle it better, especially with their players/teams, but otherwise I don’t begrudge anyone going out there and getting paid
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Wake Forest's coach said that the NCAA needs to look at its rules after Pitt's QB scored on a long run that included faking a slide last night. I'm right there with him. I would actually go as far as to call a fake slide a dirty play. You can't let players use rules created solely to protect them against the defense.
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I can’t fathom people getting bent out of shape for a player skipping a non-CFO bowl or non-NYD bowl game
As for coaches, I think some could handle it better, especially with their players/teams, but otherwise I don’t begrudge anyone going out there and getting paid
You might not be able to fathom it, but McCaffrey, Fournette and others took a lot of heat for it.
I don't begrudge the coaches for getting paid, either. What I don't like is when they do what Holtz and Barnett did -- meet with their players, look 'em right in their eyes, and tell them they're not going anywhere ... only to leave a day or two later. That's sleazy.
I'm not sure if any of this year's guys did that.
Just one nit: Why would it matter if it was a NYD bowl? It's A-OK for a Michigan State player to protect his future earnings and skip the Peach Bowl but not for an Ohio State player to protect his future earnings and skip the Rose Bowl? I don't get that, Wags. They're both glorified exhibition games.
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Wake Forest's coach said that the NCAA needs to look at its rules after Pitt's QB scored on a long run that included faking a slide last night. I'm right there with him. I would actually go as far as to call a fake slide a dirty play. You can't let players use rules created solely to protect them against the defense.
It was an amazing run. Yet, the defense did slow down when the Pitt quarterback was starting to make the slide motion.
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It was an amazing run. Yet, the defense did slow down when the Pitt quarterback was starting to make the slide motion.
Definitely a heck of a run. And even coach said after that there wasn't a rule on the book so there shouldn't have been a flag, so he was a good sport about it. But yeah, the defense clearly pulled up some when he went into a sliding position. You just can't have defensive players wondering if a QB is about to go into a real slide or a fake slide.
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Just one nit: Why would it matter if it was a NYD bowl? It's A-OK for a Michigan State player to protect his future earnings and skip the Peach Bowl but not for an Ohio State player to protect his future earnings and skip the Rose Bowl? I don't get that, Wags. They're both glorified exhibition games.
I couldn't care less. But there is still some prestige to some of those NYD bowls, Rose/Orange/Fiesta/etc... Not like McCaffrey skipping the Sun Bowl.
Maybe not OSU, but I know there is an insane amount of excitement and pride for B10 schools winning a Rose Bowl, so I could see why fans might get a bit upset. But its the player's future so the point is moot.
Wake Forest's coach said that the NCAA needs to look at its rules after Pitt's QB scored on a long run that included faking a slide last night. I'm right there with him. I would actually go as far as to call a fake slide a dirty play. You can't let players use rules created solely to protect them against the defense.
"Dirty"? Come on. Its definitely kind of a cheap grey area that should be changed, but as of now its a legal play that doesn't hurt or endanger anyone.
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Rich Eisen reacting to the Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley moves …
Kelly jumped from a team that had a realistic chance of being in the playoffs this year.
Riley bolted on a team that was eligible for a January 1 bowl.
So, never again complain when players skip a bowl to prepare for the draft like the criticism Christian McCafferty suffered a few years ago.
Never again complain when players transfer.
It is a business and they are making business decisions because this is professional sports.
Is he wrong?
Nope.
Why limit this to bowl games? Once a player’s position in the draft is pretty well established why not just quit the team? There was no reason for Trevor Lawrence to play the last year he was at Clemson. Probably lots of guys every year who should play it safe and quit early, midway or late in their final year.
Dwayne Wade enhanced his status by playing in the NCAA tournament but Zion Williamson could (should?) have played it safe and left Duke in January of his freshman year.
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"Dirty"? Come on. Its definitely kind of a cheap grey area that should be changed, but as of now its a legal play that doesn't hurt or endanger anyone.
No debate that its not a legal play right now, but that's because no one imagined a player would look that gift horse in the mouth. If his buttcheek hits the ground there and someone takes his head off, we'd no have problem debating whether or not that was dirty. So I think the reverse is dirty too. Its a play that succeeds only because of how it has been ingrained in defensive players to protect his safety.
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No debate that its not a legal play right now, but that's because no one imagined a player would look that gift horse in the mouth. If his buttcheek hits the ground there and someone takes his head off, we'd no have problem debating whether or not that was dirty. So I think the reverse is dirty too. Its a play that succeeds only because of how it has been ingrained in defensive players to protect his safety.
Agree to disagree on what constitutes "dirty". FWIW, I don't view every hit on a QB sliding as dirty. Some are just bang bang plays with momentum and late slides.
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Why limit this to bowl games? Once a player’s position in the draft is pretty well established why not just quit the team? There was no reason for Trevor Lawrence to play the last year he was at Clemson. Probably lots of guys every year who should play it safe and quit early, midway or late in their final year.
Dwayne Wade enhanced his status by playing in the NCAA tournament but Zion Williamson could (should?) have played it safe and left Duke in January of his freshman year.
As soon as coaches stop leaving their bowl-bound teams, I'll care that athletes try to protect their future millions by refusing to play in exhibition games.
That Zion stayed to play is great. Had he left to not risk injury, that would have been great, too. That McCaffrey left Stanford was great. Had he stayed to play in the Sun Bowl, that would have been great, too. I'd have thought nothing less of Lawrence if he decided to skip his final season; that he returned was great, too. Personal choice, and all that.
Actually, plenty of athletes have decided to shorten or skip seasons to prepare for the pros. Just a couple years ago, Wiseman bolted on Memphis.
The Weedeater Bowl is not the NCAA basketball tournament, and you know it. Even the Rose Bowl is not the NCAA basketball tournament; it counts for nothing except "pride." Lots of coaches would quit a Rose Bowl-bound team in a second if they could make more money going somewhere else. Hell, Brian Kelly just quit a Fiesta Bowl team (and possibly, at the time, a national-championship team) to line his pockets. How outraged are you about that, Lenny?
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Nope.
Why limit this to bowl games? Once a player’s position in the draft is pretty well established why not just quit the team? There was no reason for Trevor Lawrence to play the last year he was at Clemson. Probably lots of guys every year who should play it safe and quit early, midway or late in their final year.
It's probably smart for a lot of these players to forgo a year to prepare for the draft.
Ja'Marr Chase opted out of last year, was the #5 overall pick and is having a fantastic rookie year. Penei Sewell did the same, was the #7 overall pick, and has started all year for the Lions.
Clearly the marketplace doesn't care when it comes to these high level talents. I'm certain that Trevor Lawrence would have still been the #1 overall pick had he chose that route.
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Looks like Cristobal is heading to Miami.
I have no idea where Oregon goes with their search. The last two guys have high-tailed it back to Florida as soon as they got offers. If Bryan Harsin would have stuck it out at Boise (and got vaccinated), he probably would have been on the short list. But there doesn't seem to be many great options for them in the region. Maybe Blake Anderson at Utah State...but he's a southern guy who's only been at USU one year. Does Chris Petersen want to get back into coaching?
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Looks like Cristobal is heading to Miami.
I have no idea where Oregon goes with their search. The last two guys have high-tailed it back to Florida as soon as they got offers. If Bryan Harsin would have stuck it out at Boise (and got vaccinated), he probably would have been on the short list. But there doesn't seem to be many great options for them in the region. Maybe Blake Anderson at Utah State...but he's a southern guy who's only been at USU one year. Does Chris Petersen want to get back into coaching?
Is that a good enough job to dislodge Fickell? Getting passed up for ND has to sting, and its hard to foresee any of the top 40 national jobs the midwest has to offer coming open anytime soon. Culturally, the pacific northwest would be an easier move to swallow than SEC or southern ACC jobs, money is no factor, and Phil Knight has made the Oregon job a "cool" job for a young guy.
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Looks like Cristobal is heading to Miami.
I have no idea where Oregon goes with their search. The last two guys have high-tailed it back to Florida as soon as they got offers. If Bryan Harsin would have stuck it out at Boise (and got vaccinated), he probably would have been on the short list. But there doesn't seem to be many great options for them in the region. Maybe Blake Anderson at Utah State...but he's a southern guy who's only been at USU one year. Does Chris Petersen want to get back into coaching?
I’d think they’d be leery of hiring another guy from the south since Taggart and Cristobal bolted.
Given the money available, it’s an attractive job but USC seems poised to remember it’s USC.
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Scott Frost could've been an option if his teams haven't been complete train wrecks very year.
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Looks like Cristobal is heading to Miami.
I have no idea where Oregon goes with their search. The last two guys have high-tailed it back to Florida as soon as they got offers. If Bryan Harsin would have stuck it out at Boise (and got vaccinated), he probably would have been on the short list. But there doesn't seem to be many great options for them in the region. Maybe Blake Anderson at Utah State...but he's a southern guy who's only been at USU one year. Does Chris Petersen want to get back into coaching?
Taggart, regardless of later results, was a head scratcher hire. He never made sense in the Pac12.
Cristobal was a bit different cause that felt like an extension of what they thought they had with Taggert. Not a full outside hire.
As for Oregon, Brett Brennan could have been interesting but SJSU took a step back this year. Maybe Jay Norvell at Nevada?
Is that a good enough job to dislodge Fickell? Getting passed up for ND has to sting, and its hard to foresee any of the top 40 national jobs the midwest has to offer coming open anytime soon. Culturally, the pacific northwest would be an easier move to swallow than SEC or southern ACC jobs, money is no factor, and Phil Knight has made the Oregon job a "cool" job for a young guy.
No chance IMO. Fickell, and especially his wife, are super Midwest people. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him stay at Cincy until a B10 job of note opens (or Day leaves OSU for the NFL)
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Nevada's Jay Norvell is staying in the MWC, but leaving for Colorado State.
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I just read through the college bowl schedule. Half of the bowls seem to be filled with 6-6 teams.
Talk about "who cares"?
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I just read through the college bowl schedule. Half of the bowls seem to be filled with 6-6 teams.
Talk about "who cares"?
That will happen with 42 bowls games. Back in my day I remember when 19 bowl games was alot.
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That will happen with 42 bowls games. Back in my day I remember when 19 bowl games was alot.
a bowl game was added just so they could get the 83rd bowl eligible team into a game and then 6-7 Hawaii was put in as their opponent. Ridiculous.
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/hawaii-bowl-matchup-set-after-ncaa-adds-extra-bowl-game/
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Nope.
Why limit this to bowl games? Once a player’s position in the draft is pretty well established why not just quit the team? There was no reason for Trevor Lawrence to play the last year he was at Clemson. Probably lots of guys every year who should play it safe and quit early, midway or late in their final year.
Dwayne Wade enhanced his status by playing in the NCAA tournament but Zion Williamson could (should?) have played it safe and left Duke in January of his freshman year.
in hoops, every game means something, especially the conference tourney and Big Dance. All but four bowl games are glorified exhibition games.
Looks like Cristobal is heading to Miami.
I have no idea where Oregon goes with their search. The last two guys have high-tailed it back to Florida as soon as they got offers. If Bryan Harsin would have stuck it out at Boise (and got vaccinated), he probably would have been on the short list. But there doesn't seem to be many great options for them in the region. Maybe Blake Anderson at Utah State...but he's a southern guy who's only been at USU one year. Does Chris Petersen want to get back into coaching?
The hot name right now is Chip Kelly. Seriously. His buyout drops to $0 soon. Bad idea, IMO. The game has changed but Chip hasn't. Justin Wilcox is a UO grad and it's definitely a better job than Cal will ever be. Matt Campbell beat the Ducks in last year's Fiesta Bowl and has obviously maxed out at ISU. His dream jobs, ND and Michigan, aren't coming open anytime soon.
Uncle Phil offered 10 years $85 million to Cristobal before pulling the offer on Saturday. The money is there and having toured the facilities, they're absolutely ridiculous.
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a bowl game was added just so they could get the 83rd bowl eligible team into a game and then 6-7 Hawaii was put in as their opponent. Ridiculous.
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/hawaii-bowl-matchup-set-after-ncaa-adds-extra-bowl-game/
You guys are making the misguided assumption that bowls are meaningful accomplishments versus something done simply to allow networks (mostly ESPN) to fill its programming for a two week period.
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You guys are making the misguided assumption that bowls are meaningful accomplishments versus something done simply to allow networks (mostly ESPN) to fill its programming for a two week period.
I guess if you're a kid at Memphis at least you get to go to Hawaii for a few days. And then others get to do Vegas, LA, Phoenix, Tampa, Miami, the Bahamas, etc., whereas others are heading to Boston, NYC and Boise, which are all beautiful in December.
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Justin Wilcox is a UO grad and it's definitely a better job than Cal will ever be. Matt Campbell beat the Ducks in last year's Fiesta Bowl and has obviously maxed out at ISU. His dream jobs, ND and Michigan, aren't coming open anytime soon.
Wilcox would be a super embarrassing hire after his last 2 years. Campbell is a good coach but I don't know if his style would play at Oregon.
Kalani Sitake from BYU is an interesting name
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Wilcox would be a super embarrassing hire after his last 2 years. Campbell is a good coach but I don't know if his style would play at Oregon.
Kalani Sitake from BYU is an interesting name
Ducks fans would probably ignore the last two years with him being an alumnus and hometown guy. And, when you look at what Cal had to deal with, 5-7, beating Stanford and OSU, and only getting blown out once this season isn't all that bad at a school that doesn't really give damn about football. They also beat Oregon in 2020. His connections to the area will be a major attraction after hiring outsiders the last two times and seeing them go home.
Sitake would definitely be an excellent hire, but is he so solidly entrenched at BYU as a Mormon and with the move to the Big 12 coming that he would resist any overtures?
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You guys are making the misguided assumption that bowls are meaningful accomplishments versus something done simply to allow networks (mostly ESPN) to fill its programming for a two week period.
More than one thing can be true here.
1. The bowls exist to provide programming and create tourism revenue.
2. Most teams do view going to a bowl as a meaningful accomplishment (if nothing else, it means you had a .500 or above season) and the players largely enjoy the experience/opportunity.
3. For the top NFL prospects, the non-playoff bowls are a loser when it comes to risk vs reward and it makes sense for them to skip them.
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More than one thing can be true here.
1. The bowls exist to provide programming and create tourism revenue.
2. Most teams do view going to a bowl as a meaningful accomplishment (if nothing else, it means you had a .500 or above season) and the players largely enjoy the experience/opportunity.
3. For the top NFL prospects, the non-playoff bowls are a loser when it comes to risk vs reward and it makes sense for them to skip them.
All true. Just because I and others won't watch them, it doesn't mean they lack value to some. By and large, players enjoy going; coaches like the extra time the team has together; many fans like the trips just as some of us like to go where Marquette is playing hoops; less-heralded players can use bowl games as springboards to pro careers; etc.
Can't speak for others, but I'm not saying they should cease to exist or anything. I'm just saying they are glorified exhibition games, and I'm agreeing with you that I can't blame any draft-worthy player for skipping them.
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I can't wait for this day to come. Guessing we have to wait until 2025. Rose, Sugar, Cotton, Orange, Fiesta & Peach would have a playoff match up every year.
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1467618600953516037
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I can't wait for this day to come. Guessing we have to wait until 2025. Rose, Sugar, Cotton, Orange, Fiesta & Peach would have a playoff match up every year.
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1467618600953516037
This makes so much sense.
First round - Saturday, Dec 18 on campus sites
Quarterfinals - Saturday, January 1 on bowl sites
Semifinals - Saturday, January 8 on bowl sites (helps with NFL moving to 17th game)
Championship - Monday, January 17
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This makes so much sense.
First round - Saturday, Dec 18 on campus sites
Quarterfinals - Saturday, January 1 on bowl sites
Semifinals - Saturday, January 8 on bowl sites (helps with NFL moving to 17th game)
Championship - Monday, January 17
I believe the rough draft would be for the first round to be this Saturday to be done before finals.
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Definitely a heck of a run. And even coach said after that there wasn't a rule on the book so there shouldn't have been a flag, so he was a good sport about it. But yeah, the defense clearly pulled up some when he went into a sliding position. You just can't have defensive players wondering if a QB is about to go into a real slide or a fake slide.
I finally got to see the fake slide just now. I hated it.
It pretty much gave license to defensive players to blast QBs because now defenders understandably won't know if a QB is actually gonna slide -- especially given the copycat nature of the sport. It very likely will result in penalties and, more importantly, injuries.
I know there's no rule specifically against it, but "unsportsmanlike conduct" is a pretty big umbrella, and I don't think anybody (except Pitt's team and fans) would have been too upset had the refs called it there.
If that simply wasn't possible, the rules committee needs to add it under the unsportsmanlike conduct definition to make it possible.
You can get a 15-yard penalty for pointing your finger at an opponent but not for this. Ugh.
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If the ball is supposed to be spotted where a slide begins, didn't he start to slide? And therefore the play should be blown dead?
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It's probably smart for a lot of these players to forgo a year to prepare for the draft.
Ja'Marr Chase opted out of last year, was the #5 overall pick and is having a fantastic rookie year. Penei Sewell did the same, was the #7 overall pick, and has started all year for the Lions.
Clearly the marketplace doesn't care when it comes to these high level talents. I'm certain that Trevor Lawrence would have still been the #1 overall pick had he chose that route.
The recent NIL agreement could "fix" this. If the top players are getting seven-figure deals (which they are), their sponsors will want them on the biggest stages to get the most exposure, like the bowl games.
So they are about to get paid to play these games.
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The recent NIL agreement could "fix" this. If the top players are getting seven-figure deals (which they are), their sponsors will want them on the biggest stages to get the most exposure, like the bowl games.
So they are about to get paid to play these games.
I like how you put "fix" in quotation marks, because there really was nothing to fix.
But sure, if these kids can get paid, that, combined with an insurance policy, could make it more practical for them to play in exhibition bowl games if that's their choice. I hope their agents sponsors won't put too much pressure on them either way.
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I like how you put "fix" in quotation marks, because there really was nothing to fix.
But sure, if these kids can get paid, that, combined with an insurance policy, could make it more practical for them to play in exhibition bowl games if that's their choice. I hope their agents sponsors won't put too much pressure on them either way.
100%
Lots of FBS fans want them to play, so they want this problem "fixed."
I'm not sure it really is a problem.
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You guys are making the misguided assumption that bowls are meaningful accomplishments versus something done simply to allow networks (mostly ESPN) to fill its programming for a two week period.
As is tradition.
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Dude, just stop. Definitions of words have changed since there was language. Put your hate boner for the young people away.
While I agree, this one is particularly annoying. What is the word you use now to mean you are not exaggerating, that you really mean it? Changing the definition ruined a good word without an equally good replacement. When you use the word literally now, you don't really know which way it is being used, so it doesn't really mean anything anymore. (Plus, I just get the feeling it got bastardized by people who didn't quite understand what it really meant).
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While I agree, this one is particularly annoying. What is the word you use now to mean you are not exaggerating, that you really mean it? Changing the definition ruined a good word without an equally good replacement. When you use the word literally now, you don't really know which way it is being used, so it doesn't really mean anything anymore. (Plus, I just get the feeling it got bastardized by people who didn't quite understand what it really meant).
When someone tells you they "literally died" or they experienced "literally the worst thing ever" you don't really know which way it is being used?
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When someone tells you they "literally died" or they experienced "literally the worst thing ever" you don't really know which way it is being used?
IN those instances I do, but when what follows is not as dramatic I don't. I literally got sick, or something of that ilk.
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I saw Marcus Freeman interviewed on Dan Patrick. Goddammit, he's such a likable guy, why does he have to be the coach at ND?
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Chip going home?
@johncanzanobft
This just in — the Oregon Ducks have asked for permission to speak with UCLA coach Chip Kelly about their football coaching vacancy, per University of Oregon source.
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Chip going home?
@johncanzanobft
This just in — the Oregon Ducks have asked for permission to speak with UCLA coach Chip Kelly about their football coaching vacancy, per University of Oregon source.
Which means they are striking out with their other candidates.
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Which means they are striking out with their other candidates.
I saw someone else say this elsewhere and I think it’s true. College football has evolved, Chip Kelly hasn’t.
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It would be a fairly uninspiring hire, but he's gotten it going a bit at UCLA. And he'd be walking into a much better situation at Oregon provided they can find a QB.
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The NCAA has updated its rules to ban fake QB slides.
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Which means they are striking out with their other candidates.
Maybe, but as a state institution they do have to conduct a minimum number of interviews. Here’s the best info on the search:
https://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/2021/12/oregon-ducks-interview-byus-kalani-satake-ask-permission-to-interview-cals-justin-wilcox-uclas-chip-kelly-per-source.html
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The NCAA has updated its rules to ban fake QB slides.
Good, that was totally effed up. I'm impressed, and more than a little surprised, at how quickly the NCAA fixed that.
If there isn't a similar rule in the NFL, they should update theirs, too.
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Kalani Sitake signs a new deal to remain at BYU through 2027.
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Sounds like Oregon was talking to him.
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I get why people like the pagentry and history of Army / Navy. But man the games can be terrible at times.
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Georgia defensive coordinator Dan Lanning is set to take over as coach at Oregon.
Just fired Miami coach (Manny Diaz) to be the new DC at Penn State.
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Cal coach Justin Wilcox, a UO alum and Oregon native, turned down Oregon.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/john_canzano/2021/12/canzano-a-twist-justin-wilcox-turned-down-the-oregon-ducks.html
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Georgia defensive coordinator Dan Lanning is set to take over as coach at Oregon.
Just fired Miami coach (Manny Diaz) to be the new DC at Penn State.
Kind of a crazy hire IMO. Honestly, Lanning sort of reminds me of Nagy from resume alone. Very limited high level coaching experience and his greatest successes have been under a master at his side of the ball. Aka how much of this UGA D is Kirby Smart and how much is Lanning?
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Cal coach Justin Wilcox, a UO alum and Oregon native, turned down Oregon.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/john_canzano/2021/12/canzano-a-twist-justin-wilcox-turned-down-the-oregon-ducks.html
That’s interesting. You have to think Oregon is a better job than Cal. Especially for an alum.
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UNC QB Sam Howell, a potential first-round draft pick, on why he's going to play in the Duke Mayo Bowl rather than sit out so he doesn't risk injury:
“(Not playing is) something that definitely makes a lot of sense when you really look at what’s at risk and all that, but I’m here for this team. And I just feel like as a quarterback of this team, and as a leader of this team, it’s just not the right thing. Even if it is the best decision for me and my career to opt out of the game. It’s not about me, people could say I’m in the position where I can be selfish and make that made that decision, but that’s just not who I am.”
Good for him being true to himself. I'd be saying the same thing if he decided not to play.
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Lane Kiffin on the transfer portal: Players transfer to where 'they're going to get paid the most' (https://news.yahoo.com/lane-kiffin-on-the-transfer-portal-players-transfer-to-where-theyre-going-to-get-paid-the-most-183610273.html)
Just following the coaches example.
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Travis Hunter, the #1 overall prospect in the nation for the 2022 class decommits from Florida State and switches over to Deion Sanders-led Jackson State. That is pretty crazy.
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Travis Hunter, the #1 overall prospect in the nation for the 2022 class decommits from Florida State and switches over to Deion Sanders-led Jackson State. That is pretty crazy.
Its not pretty crazy, its absolutely astounding. Deion signing his son last season was pretty unheard of given his ranking. But a legit top 10 recruit choosing an FCS school, and not one named NDSU or Sam Houston St? Incredible and without comparison in the modern recruiting ranking era.
NIL has a good chunk to do with it, but Deion is doing some really impressive stuff down there.
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Travis Hunter, the #1 overall prospect in the nation for the 2022 class decommits from Florida State and switches over to Deion Sanders-led Jackson State. That is pretty crazy.
That's cool.
I wonder what Deion's career aspirations are. I haven't heard him talk about them. Does he aspire to coach at a Florida State, or does he love where he is and believe he can have a bigger impact there?
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Travis Hunter, the #1 overall prospect in the nation for the 2022 class decommits from Florida State and switches over to Deion Sanders-led Jackson State. That is pretty crazy.
Awesome! Hope the kid got the biggest deal he could
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That's cool.
I wonder what Deion's career aspirations are. I haven't heard him talk about them. Does he aspire to coach at a Florida State, or does he love where he is and believe he can have a bigger impact there?
I haven't seen him directly speak to it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's happy where he's at. He can have an impact, coach, but I'm gonna go on a limb and say its not a 100 hour a week job like coaching a major P5 program is. He did a lot of media before he took the job. He still has a gig with Barstool where he does podcasts and an NFL show, which he seems to really enjoy. I think he's in a sweet spot that has minimal expectations so he can deliver big like this and make a splash.
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Mike Norvell is a dead man walking and Deion will be the next coach at FSU.
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Awesome! Hope the kid got the biggest deal he could
would you say the same if a nothing school bought off MU's top commitment (or poached, say, Justin Lewis) with a promise of NIL money in violation of state law?
Taking the money and going to an HBCU worked well for Makur Maker.
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would you say the same if a nothing school bought off MU's top commitment (or poached, say, Justin Lewis) with a promise of NIL money in violation of state law?
Taking the money and going to an HBCU worked well for Makur Maker.
Hell, yeah! Get that bag!
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Mike Norvell is a dead man walking and Deion will be the next coach at FSU.
Do we know if Deion wants to make that insane time commitment? What Wags said makes a lot of sense.
I don't have any idea one way or the other, but some people actually are happy where they are. See Mark Few (who wasn't always coaching a dynasty), Bob McKillop, former St. John's football coach John Gagliardi, etc. Not many. It's a small group of coaches who are content where they are, but they do exist.
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would you say the same if a nothing school bought off MU's top commitment (or poached, say, Justin Lewis) with a promise of NIL money in violation of state law?
Taking the money and going to an HBCU worked well for Makur Maker.
If a player wants to transfer out of Marquette or change a verbal commitment on signing day due to NIL, that's fine with me. And any anti-NIL law should be ignored and is likely unenforceable anyway.
Oh I should also add that Marquette should then go out and steal someone else's prospect by showing what NIL could do for them here.
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Do we know if Deion wants to make that insane time commitment? What Wags said makes a lot of sense.
I don't have any idea one way or the other, but some people actually are happy where they are. See Mark Few (who wasn't always coaching a dynasty), Bob McKillop, former St. John's football coach John Gagliardi, etc. Not many. It's a small group of coaches who are content where they are, but they do exist.
There were rumors that he was lobbying for the job when Taggart was fired. Rumors he didn't quite deny.
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Its not pretty crazy, its absolutely astounding. Deion signing his son last season was pretty unheard of given his ranking. But a legit top 10 recruit choosing an FCS school, and not one named NDSU or Sam Houston St? Incredible and without comparison in the modern recruiting ranking era.
NIL has a good chunk to do with it, but Deion is doing some really impressive stuff down there.
I'm old enough to remember when NIL hand-wringers were saying that all it would do is further concentration of the top players at the top programs.
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Taking the money and going to an HBCU worked well for Makur Maker.
Maker got injured and didn't play. That is what went against him. He wasn't a consensus lottery pick and always had academic/eligibility issues, hence why once he got hurt he went back to Australia to get paid. Not really a similar situation to this.
Do we know if Deion wants to make that insane time commitment? What Wags said makes a lot of sense.
I don't have any idea one way or the other, but some people actually are happy where they are. See Mark Few (who wasn't always coaching a dynasty), Bob McKillop, former St. John's football coach John Gagliardi, etc. Not many. It's a small group of coaches who are content where they are, but they do exist.
Not even just that, money isn't an issue or quest for Deion at this point and he wasn't exactly laser focused on getting into college coaching the first 15 years out of the league.
There were rumors that he was lobbying for the job when Taggart was fired. Rumors he didn't quite deny.
Counter point, its Prime Time. The man loves to be in the headlines and in the public eye. I wouldn't expect him to deny rumors connecting him to being a new judge on American Idol or running for President either.
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Maker got injured and didn't play. That is what went against him. He wasn't a consensus lottery pick and always had academic/eligibility issues, hence why once he got hurt he went back to Australia to get paid. Not really a similar situation to this.
Not even just that, money isn't an issue or quest for Deion at this point and he wasn't exactly laser focused on getting into college coaching the first 15 years out of the league.
Counter point, its Prime Time. The man loves to be in the headlines and in the public eye. I wouldn't expect him to deny rumors connecting him to being a new judge on American Idol or running for President either.
Well, if he loves to be in the headlines and in the public eye he'd certainly do well for himself to move from Jackson State to Florida State.
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That's cool.
I wonder what Deion's career aspirations are. I haven't heard him talk about them. Does he aspire to coach at a Florida State, or does he love where he is and believe he can have a bigger impact there?
Has any coach not loved where he is at and believes he can make a bigger impact.........until they get a better offer?
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There were rumors that he was lobbying for the job when Taggart was fired. Rumors he didn't quite deny.
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.
Has any coach not loved where he is at and believes he can make a bigger impact.........until they get a better offer?
Yes. I named 3. I'm sure there have been others.
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Travis Hunter, the #1 overall prospect in the nation for the 2022 class decommits from Florida State and switches over to Deion Sanders-led Jackson State. That is pretty crazy.
Crazy, since JSU was not on his list of schools.
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I just read that in making his announcement, Hunter first tossed his FSU hat aside and then said he was going to Jackson State.
I'm all for celebrating and stuff, but the hat-toss seems bush-league.
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I just read that in making his announcement, Hunter first tossed his FSU hat aside and then said he was going to Jackson State.
I'm all for celebrating and stuff, but the hat-toss seems bush-league.
He put on/took off and/or tossed multiple hats. It was all entertainment. He's a 18 year old kid, let him have fun in his moment. He didn't say "F FSU"
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Crazy, since JSU was not on his list of schools.
well, when one coach happens to be an employee of Barstool Sports and can (impermissibly) line up, say, $3 million for an NIL, what would you do?
What's interesting is that Louisville determined Barstool was impermissible for NIL deals due to their ties to gambling. When Louisville bans something it must be bad, but "Coach Prime" has no problem violating state law to set something up for the kid, knowing the NCAA won't go near JSU.
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well, when one coach happens to be an employee of Barstool Sports and can (impermissibly) line up, say, $3 million for an NIL, what would you do?
What's interesting is that Louisville determined Barstool was impermissible for NIL deals due to their ties to gambling. When Louisville bans something it must be bad, but "Coach Prime" has no problem violating state law to set something up for the kid, knowing the NCAA won't go near JSU.
Good! Anti-NIL laws should be ignored!
Hopefully he gets $3 million. That would be nice for him.
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well, when one coach happens to be an employee of Barstool Sports and can (impermissibly) line up, say, $3 million for an NIL, what would you do?
What's interesting is that Louisville determined Barstool was impermissible for NIL deals due to their ties to gambling. When Louisville bans something it must be bad, but "Coach Prime" has no problem violating state law to set something up for the kid, knowing the NCAA won't go near JSU.
Oh, no. How will college sports survive
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well, when one coach happens to be an employee of Barstool Sports and can (impermissibly) line up, say, $3 million for an NIL, what would you do?
What's interesting is that Louisville determined Barstool was impermissible for NIL deals due to their ties to gambling. When Louisville bans something it must be bad, but "Coach Prime" has no problem violating state law to set something up for the kid, knowing the NCAA won't go near JSU.
Why won't the NCAA go near JSU, Billy? Tell us how you really feel.
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Why won't the NCAA go near JSU, Billy? Tell us how you really feel.
Who is the NCAA really punishing these days regardless of infraction?
Still waiting for all the college basketball punishments
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Who is the NCAA really punishing these days regardless of infraction?
Still waiting for all the college basketball punishments
I mean, HBCU are the ones that miss the most post-season appearances because of academic standards/grad rates set by the NCAA
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He put on/took off and/or tossed multiple hats. It was all entertainment. He's a 18 year old kid, let him have fun in his moment. He didn't say "F FSU"
Thanks. I didn't have all the info. We agree.
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Pitt QB Kenny Pickett, a probably first-round pick, to skip Peach Bowl.
Million$ on the line. Sounds like a prudent decision.
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Pitt QB Kenny Pickett, a probably first-round pick, to skip Peach Bowl.
Million$ on the line. Sounds like a prudent decision.
Meaningless exhibition games pale in comparison to millions of dollars. As long as college football remains the minor leagues for the NFL, decisions like this are quite smart
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This is another reason for playoff expansion. I doubt he would skip this game with a national title on the line.
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This is another reason for playoff expansion. I doubt he would skip this game with a national title on the line.
Top players skipping New Years Day games and potentially costing the networks eyeballs will probably accelerate the push toward playoff expansion faster than anything else could.
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Kenneth Walker III will not be playing for the Spartans in the Peach bowl.
That is the pits. The logic is a little fuzzy.
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Kenneth Walker III will not be playing for the Spartans in the Peach bowl.
That is the pits. The logic is a little fuzzy.
The true tragedy here is that your puns were ruined by teal!
No Pickett, no Walker ... there's a real un-peachy keen bowl.
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This is another reason for playoff expansion. I doubt he would skip this game with a national title on the line.
Yup and a lot more eyeballs on that ACC Championship game too
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Yup and a lot more eyeballs on that ACC Championship game too
I’d be worried we’re taking the “student” out of student athlete
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Good! Anti-NIL laws should be ignored!
Hopefully he gets $3 million. That would be nice for him.
I thought the NIL thing would kill the smaller schools. Maybe not. This will be a win-win if kids get $$ (and not from universities) and levels the playing field. I fear it will not level jack (no pun intended) though.
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Travis Hunter, the #1 overall prospect in the nation for the 2022 class decommits from Florida State and switches over to Deion Sanders-led Jackson State. That is pretty crazy.
Maybe Hunter should reconsider his decision after JSU got curb stomped by South Carolina. Oh, wait. Not the Gamecocks, South Carolina State.
That NIL money can go with him if it was obtained legally, that is.
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Bo Nix will be throwing picks as an Oregon Duck next year.
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32912659/no-1-alabama-implements-safety-protocols-ahead-cfp-game-vs-no-4-cincinnati
(https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32912659/no-1-alabama-implements-safety-protocols-ahead-cfp-game-vs-no-4-cincinnati)
What a novel idea. What would happen if you implemented this thinking over *checks notes* an entire population?
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Texas A&M is backing out of the Gator Bowl due to COVID cases.
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Rutgers will save the Gator Bowl.
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Fenway Bowl between Virginia and SMU and the Military Bowl between Boston College and East Carolina have been canceled due to positive tests on Virginia and Boston College. Players transfer also hurting the numbers.
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My guess is that a lot of schools with virus issues could field a team, but are choosing not to because they weee in it for the practice more than anything. Now they don’t have to go through with the expense of actually going to the games.
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If this keeps up, Marquette's football team may get a bowl invite.
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I mean, HBCU are the ones that miss the most post-season appearances because of academic standards/grad rates set by the NCAA
Yeah, my eyes hurt from all of the rolling as I read their legal filings. Academic standards and kids being eligible under the standards of individual schools are discrimination so we can’t have them anymore.
Maybe the it’s the HBCU schools failing their own student-athletes and they need to reform.
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Boise State is out of the Arizona Bowl. Central Michigan will now be played in the Sun Bowl versus Washington State on NYE. (CBS)
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Boise State is out of the Arizona Bowl. Central Michigan will now be played in the Sun Bowl versus Washington State on NYE. (CBS)
Barstool got cancelled again! Sad!
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Why are there so damn many bowl games? The Athletic gives an answer:
The Armed Forces Bowl between Army and Missouri averaged 2.57 million viewers on ESPN, while the Golden State Warriors-New York Knicks game on TNT the night before that saw Steph Curry break the three-point record averaged 2.35 million viewers. Americans just like watching football. Bowl ratings are up this year, and the number of bowls we have won’t go down anytime soon.
The lower-tier bowl games are TV content and that’s been the case for a while now. It’s why there are more bowls every year (2020 notwithstanding), even if we need teams with 5-7 records to fill them. A new bowl, the Frisco Football Classic, was created at the last minute just so every 6-6 team could get in a bowl game this year. ESPN was happy to have it.
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That’s why ESPN owns almost all of them. There is still more than enough room for bowls and an expanded playoff though.
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Barstool got cancelled again! Sad!
Objectively funny sh!t. It would also have been funny to see the Tony the Tiger bowl game given Kellogg's recent situation get cancelled, but alas.
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UCLA just canceled hours before Kickoff against NC State in the Holiday Bowl. Tough blow for FOX.
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Objectively funny sh!t. It would also have been funny to see the Tony the Tiger bowl game given Kellogg's recent situation get cancelled, but alas.
Nevertheless Sun Bowl is one of favorites on CBS. Glad it's being played.
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Why are there so damn many bowl games? The Athletic gives an answer:
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You didn't need the Athletic to give you the answer. :)
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Bunch of buzz leading up to the Mike Leach revenge bowl vs Texas Tech…resulting in Miss St looking beyond lifeless and like they don’t give a damn. Ahh bowl season.
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Get ready for the winning coach to get a mayo bath ... albeit a scripted one.
From the Charlotte Observer:
When the Tar Heels and Gamecocks play each other on Thursday at Bank of America Stadium, the sporting public — outside of both teams’ fans — will be less interested in the result between two 6-6 teams and more interested in, well, mayonnaise. And the postgame mayonnaise bath for the winning head coach, in particular.
A spokesman for the game last week said staffers have been working to discover the correct viscosity for the ceremonial mayo dunking. Too thick and the mayonnaise will sort of plop out onto either South Carolina’s Shane Beamer or North Carolina’s Mack Brown, and nobody wants to see either coach doused in chunky, gelatin-like mayo. Too runny, though, and the integrity of the mayonnaise will be compromised, and nobody wants to see that, either, especially in the Carolinas, where Duke’s is based and often the choice for the serious mayo connoisseur.
“We’ve been working on this for months,” Miller Yoho said of the Mayo bath.
Said Beamer: “I’m not a big mayonnaise guy. I mean, I’ll gladly take one for the team on that one if it means we won a football game, but woof.” And Brown, in a line that sounded like it came from a story in The Onion: “If we won the game, I’d let someone hit me in the face with a frying pan … I don’t care.”
In reality, the mayo dunking will be a ceremonial, scripted affair. It will not happen in the immediate aftermath of the game, Yoho said, noting that Bank of America Stadium has new turf. Instead, it will be staged.
To convince the coaches to go along with the idea, Duke’s offered the winning coach $10,000 for the charity of his choice. Beamer and Brown gave their OKs, opening the door for what’s sure to be one of the most viral social media moments of the college football postseason. “They’re going to have to sit there with all the cameras on them,” Yoho said of whomever the winning coach is, “and just take it.”
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staffers have been working to discover the correct viscosity... Too thick... will sort of plop out... and nobody wants to see either coach doused in chunky, gelatin-like mayo. Too runny, though, and the integrity of the mayonnaise will be compromised, and nobody wants to see that, either...
“They’re going to have to sit there with all the cameras on them,” Yoho said of whomever the winning coach is, “and just take it.”[/i]
Today in selective editing :-X
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Purdue/Tennessee was some crazy game today. Whew.
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Purdue/Tennessee was some crazy game today. Whew.
This game was also the best attended had a complete sellout . Tennessee fans were all over the stadium.
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Yeah, my eyes hurt from all of the rolling as I read their legal filings. Academic standards and kids being eligible under the standards of individual schools are discrimination so we can’t have them anymore.
Maybe the it’s the HBCU schools failing their own student-athletes and they need to reform.
Hmmm.
Here's the lawsuit. Could you point out where it says "academic standards are discrimination, so we can't have them"?
Thanks.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20422281-20201208-complaint-with-appendix
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Some bowl game tv ratings
https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNPR/status/1476692031707783174
- Browns/Packers and all-day NBA on Christmas, 1.7 million viewers tuned in to the Georgia State-Ball State Camellia Bowl on ESPN.
-Dec. 22, Missouri-Army Armed Forces Bowl: 2.57 million viewers. Warriors-Knicks game where Steph broke the 3-point record: 2.35 million the night before. FYI
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Bama coaching this game like the Browns on Xmas
Cincy just simply isn’t good enough on offense to make it matter though.
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Thanks for playing, Cinci, and enjoy your lovely parting gifts.
The only position Cinci might be better than Bama at is cornerback, and Ridder rarely has had the time to take advantage of that.
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Some bowl game tv ratings
https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNPR/status/1476692031707783174
- Browns/Packers and all-day NBA on Christmas, 1.7 million viewers tuned in to the Georgia State-Ball State Camellia Bowl on ESPN.
-Dec. 22, Missouri-Army Armed Forces Bowl: 2.57 million viewers. Warriors-Knicks game where Steph broke the 3-point record: 2.35 million the night before. FYI
Thanks for posting this . Can you post the December 30 games when they are available . Curious to see those numbers
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The question the nation is asking. Who is Tom Crean rooting for?
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As I said weeks ago, committee was not going to put Alabama vs Georgia in the semi's.
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Thanks for posting this . Can you post the December 30 games when they are available . Curious to see those numbers
Next week they will be available.
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Shoulda just done the Natty this weekend
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Michigan is getting rolled.
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More proof that College Hoops is > than College Football. Two boring and uncompetitive games.
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More proof that College Hoops is > than College Football. Two boring and uncompetitive games.
I think the College Football Playoff discussion and build up is much more exciting than the actual games.
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Michigan is getting rolled.
Harbaugh doing his best Bo imitation.
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I think the College Football Playoff discussion and build up is much more exciting than the actual games.
Georgia and Alabama are clearly the two most talented teams in college football. I think Georgia is the most talented but they play too conservative against Alabama.
They need to expand the playoff and lessen the time between the end of the regular season and the start of the playoff
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Georgia and Alabama are clearly the two most talented teams in college football. I think Georgia is the most talented but they play too conservative against Alabama.
They need to expand the playoff and lessen the time between the end of the regular season and the start of the playoff
Most definitely. College football is great, but the ending to the season doesn’t match. And the conferences are leaving a ton of money on the table managing it this way.
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Most definitely. College football is great, but the ending to the season doesn’t match. And the conferences are leaving a ton of money on the table managing it this way.
The Big Ten just has to have that sunset over the Rose Bowl on New Year’s Day.
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The Big Ten just has to have that sunset over the Rose Bowl on New Year’s Day.
Actually my understanding that its the Pac 12 that is more interested in that these days.
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Actually my understanding that its the Pac 12 that is more interested in that these days.
Jim Delany is on the board of the Rose Bowl or an advisor in some capacity
I’ll be curious to see if the new PAC-12 commish is able to help make the league more competitive in the football landscape.
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@rodger
Notre Dame has now lost *11* consecutive Bowl Coalition/BCS/CFP/NY6 bowls. But on the plus side this was their first one-score loss in one of these games since the 1996 Orange Bowl
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ND was horrific in the second half. If OSU could have held onto the ball on ND’s side of the field, ND would have probably lost by 20 after being up 28-7
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Didn’t watch one second of the ND exhibition game, but pleased (as always) to see the L.
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The Rose Bowl is officially insane.
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Great year for Arkansas. Nice win over Penn State in the Outback Bowl.
Kentucky and Iowa was a great finish in the Citrus Bowl.
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@rodger
Notre Dame has now lost *11* consecutive Bowl Coalition/BCS/CFP/NY6 bowls. But on the plus side this was their first one-score loss in one of these games since the 1996 Orange Bowl
Thought that streak was coming to an end up 28-7!
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A good showcase why OSU QBs have trouble in the NFL. It’s easy throwing to wide open receivers. It’s hard to throw against NFL DBs.
OSU is missing 2 probable 1st round receivers. The next 2 guys may be better.
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This is an eff’n awesome game.
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A good showcase why OSU QBs have trouble in the NFL. It’s easy throwing to wide open receivers. It’s hard to throw against NFL DBs.
OSU is missing 2 probable 1st round receivers. The next 2 guys may be better.
Not sure this game supports your statement. His throws have been pretty amazing.
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Why is Utah not using their timeouts?
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The last minute of that game was not awesome.
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Not sure this game supports your statement. His throws have been pretty amazing.
He had a very good game. I like him better than any OSU QB in recent memory. Accuracy and pocket presence.
The problem is that there is no need to read defenses when throwing to multiple NFL- type receivers every game. It’s a reason why Fields breaks down if his 1st option isn’t open.
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If Utah was gonna play like it out like that.
-awful kickoff attempt
-not using time outs
Why didn’t they just go for 2…not that it woulda mattered.
Seemed like they just wanted to go home
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The last minute of that game was not awesome.
It was if you had Utah on +4.5.
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Not sure why Utah didn’t use TOs, not sure why they didn’t let OSU score, not sure why their KR didn’t go down before clock expired. Fun game but everyone knew the outcome when tOSU had 2 minutes left. 346 receiving yards is insane.
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He had a very good game. I like him better than any OSU QB in recent memory. Accuracy and pocket presence.
The problem is that there is no need to read defenses when throwing to multiple NFL- type receivers every game. It’s a reason why Fields breaks down if his 1st option isn’t open.
Agreed.
Stroud still had some absolutely mental throws. Shoulda been picked a second time in the 3rd when he lobbed a ball into end zone at 3 defenders.
But he definitely seems like the best pure passer of any OSU QB. That last TD was a complete dime.
When facing NFL Ds he’s gonna have to do more 2nd and 3rd reads and be smart. But pure talent is definitely NFL top tier worthy.
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Not sure why Utah didn’t use TOs, not sure why they didn’t let OSU score, not sure why their KR didn’t go down before clock expired. Fun game but everyone knew the outcome when tOSU had 2 minutes left. 346 receiving yards is insane.
First play of that 2 minute drive when Smith Nijigba caught it. Shoulda let him house it for 50 yards. Only chance was to get ball back immediately and play for OT
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Wow, many Baylor fans made the trip to New Orleans. Looks like a packed house at the Sugar Bowl.
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Tough Injury for Matt Corral. Was carted off the field and is on crutches. You can see the anguish on his face on the sidelines. Opted to play in the game to be with his teammates and now potentially an ACL
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Really feel bad for the guy. Hopefully it isn’t that bad and won’t affect his draft status. But this is just going to accelerate this movement.
If the playoffs expand, they need to find a way to offer some compensation that players could turn into disability insurance.
BTW Greg McElroy claiming this won’t affect his draft status is kind of icky.
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Really feel bad for the guy. Hopefully it isn’t that bad and won’t affect his draft status. But this is just going to accelerate this movement.
If the playoffs expand, they need to find a way to offer some compensation that players could turn into disability insurance.
BTW Greg McElroy claiming this won’t affect his draft status is kind of icky.
ESPN execs must have passed the memo to their on-air personalities about praising the kids that play in these exhibitions and question the heart of those that don’t. Pretty gross day for espn yesterday
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ESPN execs must have passed the memo to their on-air personalities about praising the kids that play in these exhibitions and question the heart of those that don’t. Pretty gross day for espn yesterday
I don't watch exhibition games (except the Panthers - ha!), so I didn't see/hear any of ESPN's commentary. But the general tone out there is that "So-and-so is playing because he's a great teammate who loves his team," which obviously implies that a guy like Kenny Pickett is a bad teammate who doesn't love his team.
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I don't watch exhibition games (except the Panthers - ha!), so I didn't see/hear any of ESPN's commentary. But the general tone out there is that "So-and-so is playing because he's a great teammate who loves his team," which obviously implies that a guy like Kenny Pickett is a bad teammate who doesn't love his team.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1477302609790869504?s=20
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I don't watch exhibition games (except the Panthers - ha!), so I didn't see/hear any of ESPN's commentary. But the general tone out there is that "So-and-so is playing because he's a great teammate who loves his team," which obviously implies that a guy like Kenny Pickett is a bad teammate who doesn't love his team.
Thanks for the 10,000 time saying you don't watch bowl games. One saying a guy is a good teammate who plays doesn't mean the other who doesn't play is a bad teammate.
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One saying a guy is a good teammate who plays doesn't mean the other who doesn't play is a bad teammate.
OK, Mr. N, but here's some fun takes for you from some "experts" ...
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1477302609790869504?s=20
"This era of player doesn't love football."
"Kids don't really care."
"They have a sense of entitlement."
"These student-athletes nowadays ... "
Hey you kids ... get off of Herbstreit's and Howard's lawns!!
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OK, Mr. N, but here's some fun takes for you from some "experts" ...
"This era of player doesn't love football."
"Kids don't really care."
"They have a sense of entitlement."
"These student-athletes nowadays ... "
Hey you kids ... get off of Herbstreit's and Howard's lawns!!
They aren’t wrong though. The numbers on transfer portal is more definitive proof of that, especially when kids go up during preseason practice or during the season.
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They aren’t wrong though. The numbers on transfer portal is more definitive proof of that, especially when kids go up during preseason practice or during the season.
Gonna need you to show your work on that math.
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They aren’t wrong though. The numbers on transfer portal is more definitive proof of that, especially when kids go up during preseason practice or during the season.
How are they “not wrong?” Do you have a metric that measures how much someone loves football or is entitled?
Because these are opinions. And instead of stating what issues this could cause college football, they placed blame on the players in a way of comparison to their era. Which is never a good look because the circumstances are completely different.
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I think they are showing their love of football by not wanting to sit out the next year due to a major injury for what amounts to an exhibition game. Do the pros not care about football because they don’t play full pre-season games?
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I think they are showing their love of football by not wanting to sit out the next year due to a major injury for what amounts to an exhibition game. Do the pros not care about football because they don’t play full pre-season games?
Major college football is the minor leagues of the NFL. NFL is fine with kids sitting out
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Gonna need you to show your work on that math.
Just look at the transfer numbers today compared to prior years. Didn’t get QB1 as a freshman? Didn’t get 30 minutes a game and 15 shots a game? I’m out. Or are the Hausers the only ones who can be relentlessly criticized for that?
I don’t begrudge a kid for not playing in a bowl/exhibition game, but the transfer numbers show the new attitudes of instant gratification or else more than anything.
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Just look at the transfer numbers today compared to prior years. Didn’t get QB1 as a freshman? Didn’t get 30 minutes a game and 15 shots a game? I’m out. Or are the Hausers the only ones who can be relentlessly criticized for that?
I don’t begrudge a kid for not playing in a bowl/exhibition game, but the transfer numbers show the new attitudes of instant gratification or else more than anything.
Of course it’s all on the players in your eyes. They are the problem right? Never the coaches or anyone else. But it’s the players who don’t understand work or sacrifice, but simply want “instant gratification.” 🙄🙄🙄
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Of course it’s all on the players in your eyes. They are the problem right? Never the coaches or anyone else. But it’s the players who don’t understand work or sacrifice, but simply want “instant gratification.” 🙄🙄🙄
Today’s players understand their worth far more than previous generations.
Every generation since the beginning of time has bemoaned the previous generations dedication to hard work. It’s like death and taxes
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They aren’t wrong though. The numbers on transfer portal is more definitive proof of that, especially when kids go up during preseason practice or during the season.
They are wrong though. The transfer portal has nothing to do with the subject being discussed. But it’s a nice try at deflection.
I don’t remember you ripping multimillionaire coaches for quitting on their bowl-bound teams, either. I guess those coaches don’t love football, don’t care, and have a sense of entitlement.
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I don't watch exhibition games (except the Panthers - ha!), so I didn't see/hear any of ESPN's commentary. But the general tone out there is that "So-and-so is playing because he's a great teammate who loves his team," which obviously implies that a guy like Kenny Pickett is a bad teammate who doesn't love his team.
Yeah they can tell that to Kenny Pickett who will now go at least a full round sooner than Corral
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Yeah they can tell that to Kenny Pickett who will now go at least a full round sooner than Corral
Matt Corrall's draft stock isn't going to change because he suffered a sprained ankle in a bowl game.
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Matt Corrall's draft stock isn't going to change because he suffered a sprained ankle in a bowl game.
Good news that the injury was an ankle sprain .
https://www.si.com/college/2022/01/03/matt-corral-injury-positive-update-ole-miss-sugar-bowl
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Ja'Marr Chase and Micah Parsons didn't just sit out bowl games ... they sat out the entire 2020 season.
They will be (or at least should be) the NFL's offensive and defensive rookies of the year.
Watching them play at an extremely high level for playoff-bound teams, and watching them celebrate their many great accomplishments, it's clear that Herbstreit is right about them "not loving football."
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Of course it’s all on the players in your eyes. They are the problem right? Never the coaches or anyone else. But it’s the players who don’t understand work or sacrifice, but simply want “instant gratification.” 🙄🙄🙄
Yes, it's the fault of coaches kids bounce around from high school to high school, then when they don't get the starting spot in the preseason or a new commitment comes in, they bail. Case in point: Quinn Evers. Bailing after one semester.
Hell, the MBB season is around the halfway point and there are already 256 players in the Transfer Portal. For football, 1422 kids from FBS, 1131 from FCS. That's a lot of bad coaches, eh?
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Yes, it's the fault of coaches kids bounce around from high school to high school, then when they don't get the starting spot in the preseason or a new commitment comes in, they bail. Case in point: Quinn Evers. Bailing after one semester.
Hell, the MBB season is around the halfway point and there are already 256 players in the Transfer Portal. For football, 1422 kids from FBS, 1131 from FCS. That's a lot of bad coaches, eh?
I didn't explain my point correctly. My point is that I don't think transfers are a problem per se. I don't really blame anyone for transfers on the macro level, and don't really care enough to do the research on the micro level to determine "blame" in any individual case or to determine if the player made a good decision.
Transfers are simply part of the landscape of college sports that coaches have to deal with, and are paid handsomely to do so. And if they don't want to, there are others who will do it instead. Taken as a whole, they are neither good nor bad.
As for Quinn Evers....who knows? Maybe it will work out, maybe it won't. But I have zero problem with him transferring.
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Yes, it's the fault of coaches kids bounce around from high school to high school, then when they don't get the starting spot in the preseason or a new commitment comes in, they bail. Case in point: Quinn Evers. Bailing after one semester.
Hell, the MBB season is around the halfway point and there are already 256 players in the Transfer Portal. For football, 1422 kids from FBS, 1131 from FCS. That's a lot of bad coaches, eh?
Coaches "bail" for what they perceive to be better opportunities all the time. Many are serial "bouncers." I think Lon Kruger coached every college basketball team in America.
A few football coaches bailed on their bowl teams just this season -- including bailing on teams headed for New Year's Day bowls. One even bailed on his team when it was, at the time, still in contention for a playoff spot. Why doesn't all that bailing bother you?
All of those quitters were under big-money, long-term contracts that, it turns out, meant even less than exhibition bowl games do. I wonder how many of them, days before bailing, had told their players they would always, always, always, always be loyal to them forever and ever.
It's nobody's "fault," Billy. It's just the game. The difference now is that while coaches have always been free agents -- no matter how long or how pricey their contracts -- athletes finally have a little say over their futures. It's about time, given that they're the ones putting their arses (and knees and brains) on the line.
I'm not sure why it bothers you that a 20-year-old might have a tiny bit of control but it doesn't bother you that a 50-year-old can quit over and over and over again.
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As for Quinn Evers....who knows? Maybe it will work out, maybe it won't. But I have zero problem with him transferring.
People getting bent out of shape about Ewers is so bizarre to me. He originally committed to Texas, NIL rules were a part of the reason he changed his commitment. Things have obviously changed both at Texas as well as with NIL. And he wasn't just bailing cause he wasn't good enough or whatnot. He was a year younger than normal AND was sitting behind a Heisman finalist who had 1, if not 2, more years. Good QBs have been leaving in that situation for years, not just in this "new" era. People expecting a top 5 recruit to sit for 2+ years are the same who probably hated when free agency was brought into pro sports.
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Thanks for posting this . Can you post the December 30 games when they are available . Curious to see those numbers
Peach Bowl (Pitt/Michigan State) 7.646M
Music City Bowl (Tennessee/Purdue) 5.594M
Las Vegas Bowl (Wisconsin/Arizona State) 3.653M
Duke's Mayo Bowl (UNC/South Carolina) 2.597M
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College Football Playoffs semifinals down.
https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/college-football-playoff-viewership-slides-again.html
I can't understand how they continue to screw up something so easily fixed.
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College Football Playoffs semifinals down.
https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/college-football-playoff-viewership-slides-again.html
I can't understand how they continue to screw up something so easily fixed.
Brother Fluff:
Until the Playoffs stop being the Alabama Invitational Tournament or the SEC Second Chance Playoffs, ratings will continue to drop.
What this year's tournament exposed was the inherent weakness in the rest of college football relative to the SEC. While the Big 10, Notre Dame, Big 12 and Pac 12 offered some exciting football, none of those conferences hold a candle to the best of the SEC. When Florida and LSU fire a winning head coach because the coach wasn't headed for a natty, you know you are in a different world than the Big 10.
Why do you think Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas, South Carolina and Missouri all fled for the SEC? They know if they compete in the SEC, they're better than the rest of the world. As the conference itself says, "It just means more..."
Until this changes, college football playoff ratings will be waaaaaaaayyyyyyy down.
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Brother Fluff:
Until the Playoffs stop being the Alabama Invitational Tournament or the SEC Second Chance Playoffs, ratings will continue to drop.
What this year's tournament exposed was the inherent weakness in the rest of college football relative to the SEC. While the Big 10, Notre Dame, Big 12 and Pac 12 offered some exciting football, none of those conferences hold a candle to the best of the SEC. When Florida and LSU fire a winning head coach because the coach wasn't headed for a natty, you know you are in a different world than the Big 10.
Why do you think Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas, South Carolina and Missouri all fled for the SEC? They know if they compete in the SEC, they're better than the rest of the world. As the conference itself says, "It just means more..."
Until this changes, college football playoff ratings will be waaaaaaaayyyyyyy down.
They need to expand the tournament, which will get more people invested and heighten the opportunity for upsets. P5 conference champion, best Group of 5 champion, six at large.
As I mentioned earlier, 12 teams. First round mid December Saturday on campus sites. Quarterfinals on New Year's Day - a day made for college football. Semis on the Saturday of the NFL's Week 18. Championship Game on some Monday.
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Brother Fluff:
Until the Playoffs stop being the Alabama Invitational Tournament or the SEC Second Chance Playoffs, ratings will continue to drop.
What this year's tournament exposed was the inherent weakness in the rest of college football relative to the SEC. While the Big 10, Notre Dame, Big 12 and Pac 12 offered some exciting football, none of those conferences hold a candle to the best of the SEC. When Florida and LSU fire a winning head coach because the coach wasn't headed for a natty, you know you are in a different world than the Big 10.
Why do you think Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas, South Carolina and Missouri all fled for the SEC? They know if they compete in the SEC, they're better than the rest of the world. As the conference itself says, "It just means more..."
Until this changes, college football playoff ratings will be waaaaaaaayyyyyyy down.
Ratings are bad on NYE
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They need to expand the tournament, which will get more people invested and heighten the opportunity for upsets. P5 conference champion, best Group of 5 champion, six at large.
Don't you think it will only expand the interest of fans of the extra 8 teams in the field? People in Chicago or NYC won't care anymore than they do now.
We can't even find 4 teams with a realistic chance to win it all. I don't think we need 8-10 teams with no chance.
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Don't you think it will only expand the interest of fans of the extra 8 teams in the field? People in Chicago or NYC won't care anymore than they do now.
We can't even find 4 teams with a realistic chance to win it all. I don't think we need 8-10 teams with no chance.
I think the more games you play, the more eyeballs will watch. Same reason the NCAA basketball tournament, NFL, and every other sports league expand their playoffs, because the more teams involved, the larger the buzz.
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I think the more games you play, the more eyeballs will watch. Same reason the NCAA basketball tournament, NFL, and every other sports league expand their playoffs, because the more teams involved, the larger the buzz.
I don't know that I agree. Those eyeballs will still be watching those teams in their bowl games without having to expand to teams that have no chance to win the natty.
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I don't know that I agree. Those eyeballs will still be watching those teams in their bowl games without having to expand to teams that have no chance to win the natty.
Eh. I’m not sure. I am a list as casual of a College Football fan as you can be, and I tuned in for the games. I wouldn’t do that for a normal bowl game.
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I don't know that I agree. Those eyeballs will still be watching those teams in their bowl games without having to expand to teams that have no chance to win the natty.
You don’t think that more people would watch Ole Miss v Baylor if it meant something versus just being the Sugar Bowl? I highly disagree with that.
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They need to expand the tournament, which will get more people invested and heighten the opportunity for upsets. P5 conference champion, best Group of 5 champion, six at large.
As I mentioned earlier, 12 teams. First round mid December Saturday on campus sites. Quarterfinals on New Year's Day - a day made for college football. Semis on the Saturday of the NFL's Week 18. Championship Game on some Monday.
Brother Fluff:
Prove to me it will matter and that a non-SEC team has more than a snowball's chance in hell and I'll bite.
I might argue Clemson generally belongs in the talk with Alabama and Georgia but that's the exception rather than the rule.
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You don’t think that more people would watch Ole Miss v Baylor if it meant something versus just being the Sugar Bowl? I highly disagree with that.
It would matter to some, but not a bit to me.
I'm sure there would be a marginal increase but I don't know about huge numbers.
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They need to expand the tournament, which will get more people invested and heighten the opportunity for upsets. P5 conference champion, best Group of 5 champion, six at large.
As I mentioned earlier, 12 teams. First round mid December Saturday on campus sites. Quarterfinals on New Year's Day - a day made for college football. Semis on the Saturday of the NFL's Week 18. Championship Game on some Monday.
12 teams would be awful. College football just doesn’t have the parity.
At the end of the day it’s gonna be the same teams Bama/Clemson/Georgia with the chance to win the title.
All you’re doing with 12 teams is putting worse product out there and having Bama NFL kids risk more injury to go out and paste a couple extra teams.
If #3 and #4 can’t hang with the top 2. 11 and 12 sure as hell are not.
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12 teams would be awful. College football just doesn’t have the parity.
At the end of the day it’s gonna be the same teams Bama/Clemson/Georgia with the chance to win the title.
All you’re doing with 12 teams is putting worse product out there and having Bama NFL kids risk more injury to go out and paste a couple extra teams.
If #3 and #4 can’t hang with the top 2. 11 and 12 sure as hell are not.
In the eight years that the College Football Playoff has taken place, the #1 and #2 seeds have only met in the championship three times, with the last time being 2019.
#1 has made the final 6 times, and only won it twice.
#2 has made it four times, and won it three times
#3 has made it four times, and never won it
#4 has made it twice, and won it both times.
That sounds like parity similar to the NCAA basketball tournament right?
You add more teams and sure you are going to get some bad games, but you will also get more upsets and some good football.
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In the eight years that the College Football Playoff has taken place, the #1 and #2 seeds have only met in the championship three times, with the last time being 2019.
#1 has made the final 6 times, and only won it twice.
#2 has made it four times, and won it three times
#3 has made it four times, and never won it
#4 has made it twice, and won it both times.
That sounds like parity similar to the NCAA basketball tournament right?
You add more teams and sure you are going to get some bad games, but you will also get more upsets and some good football.
I’m calling 1 and 2 to be Bama and whoever of Clemson/Georgia is there these days.
Who knows what seed they get based off subjective inbalanced schedules.
Regardless. Those teams are gonna keep rolling these games.
With Ohio State having a chance some years or a different SEC power like LSU.
So maybe just let the top 6 of the SEC compete i guess
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Ratings are bad on NYE
This. Play those games on Wed 12/29 or Thu 12/30, and you get a lot more eyeballs IMHO.
I'm a casual college football fan. I watched the first semifinal until I got bored with the blowout and switched to something else. We went to a friend's house for NYE and I didn't see one second of the second semi. Had that game been the previous night, I would have watched at least until the bored-till-blowout stage.
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More ratings
Orange Bowl 17.2M (CFP)
Cotton Bowl 16.6M (CFP)
Other NY6 games
Rose Bowl 16.6M
Sugar Bowl 9.8M
Fiesta Bowl 8.0M
Peach Bowl 7.6M (Dec. 30th)
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Watt 'bout da Duke Mayo Bowl, hey?
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Prove to me it will matter and that a non-SEC team has more than a snowball's chance in hell and I'll bite.
I might argue Clemson generally belongs in the talk with Alabama and Georgia but that's the exception rather than the rule.
Word was over the summer 6 best conference champs. So, that would make a shocking 7-5 Northwestern to win the Big Ten not in the playoff. Over the past 8 years the best high schools players are going to about 6 to 8 schools. Those schools that are in the playoffs. Well, with a bigger playoff. The westcoast kids don't need to go to Alabama or Clemson to be in the playoff. As, the Pac-12 champ will be in the playoff. So, over a course of time recruiting will become more balanced.
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Watt 'bout da Duke Mayo Bowl, hey?
2.597M
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Word was over the summer 6 best conference champs. So, that would make a shocking 7-5 Northwestern to win the Big Ten not in the playoff. Over the past 8 years the best high schools players are going to about 6 to 8 schools. Those schools that are in the playoffs. Well, with a bigger playoff. The westcoast kids don't need to go to Alabama or Clemson to be in the playoff. As, the Pac-12 champ will be in the playoff. So, over a course of time recruiting will become more balanced.
Brother Nielsen:
You can break the NCAA in 2021 down this way:
True Powerhouses -- Teams that are legitimate contenders for a national title:
Alabama
Georgia
Wannabes who think they are powerhouses -- Teams that show up but would be clobbered in a real tournament match-up:
Ohio State
Michigan
Wisconsin
Notre Dame
Clemson
Cincinnati
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Mississippi
Faded Roses -- Schools that once were football powers but now are nobodies
Florida Florida State
LSU Miami
USC Iowa
Texas Nebraska
Auburn Arizona State
Arkansas Michigan State
Tennessee
Oregon
Washington
The Blind Pig Finds an Acorn Occasionally -- Everyone Else!!!
Until this changes, I see no reason to expand the College Football Playoffs.
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I'm almost fine with your list. You have to add Ohio State & Clemson since they have won national titles in the CFP era. Heck, Clemson won two beating Alabama.
The expanding playoff will still have the SEC on top. Yet, over time recruiting will become more balanced. As a USC fan, I'm sure hoping! ;)
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The expanding playoff will still have the SEC on top. Yet, over time recruiting will become more balanced. As a USC fan, I'm sure hoping! ;)
Yeah, isn't this kind of the point? Narrowing the scope of the end of season tournament is a positive feedback loop with publicity and recruiting. If that gets expanded, and more logos are in the bracket, on tv, the conference championship games are de facto play-in games, I think it stands to reason that will spread top recruiting talent out more. By narrowing the playoff to four teams, we're kind of choosing for its scope to be limited to the "prove it will be someone other than Alabama/SEC winner" tournament, and of course that's going to be a recuriting benefit to them to stockpile talent for future years.
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I'm almost fine with your list. You have to add Ohio State & Clemson since they have won national titles in the CFP era. Heck, Clemson won two beating Alabama.
The expanding playoff will still have the SEC on top. Yet, over time recruiting will become more balanced. As a USC fan, I'm sure hoping! ;)
Both Ohio State and Clemson have faded substantially. Maybe they'll recover and until they do and show they have some capability to beat Alabama, they fall into Category II.
I get the desire to bring more teams into the playoffs. It's like being one of the first four out in basketball. But the first team out realistically has no chance to win the NCAA tournament and no one but Georgia has a chance to give Alabama a game.
Cripe when Teams 3 and 4 (Michigan and Cincinnati) get blown out, why should the tournament be expanded? Anybody else on the pretenders list would fare no better.
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Both Ohio State and Clemson have faded substantially. Maybe they'll recover and until they do and show they have some capability to beat Alabama, they fall into Category II.
I get the desire to bring more teams into the playoffs. It's like being one of the first four out in basketball. But the first team out realistically has no chance to win the NCAA tournament and no one but Georgia has a chance to give Alabama a game.
Cripe when Teams 3 and 4 (Michigan and Cincinnati) get blown out, why should the tournament be expanded? Anybody else on the pretenders list would fare no better.
Do you just mean this singular season?
Cause otherwise your list makes no sense.
OSU won a title a few years ago and hasn't finished outside the top 5 in almost a decade but they are a wannabe? How is that fading substantially?
LSU has won 3 titles and had 7 top 5 finishes in the last 15 years, under 3 different coaches, just stole a coach from another top program, yet they are a "Faded Rose" nobody cause they had 1 bad year?
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Both Ohio State and Clemson have faded substantially. Maybe they'll recover and until they do and show they have some capability to beat Alabama, they fall into Category II.
"faded substantially" what! ;D
OSU just played for the title last year. Will finish #5 this year. Clemson has down season this year and that was 10-3 and #15 in the polls.
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"faded substantially" what! ;D
OSU just played for the title last year. Will finish #5 this year. Clemson has down season this year and that was 10-3 and #15 in the polls.
OSU got their backside handed to them by Michigan who had their backsides handed to them by Georgia.
Clemson was a non-factor this year and had a recruiting class ranked below Stanford, Tennessee, North Carolina and Missouri. Unless Dabo can do a loaves and fishes trick, the talent he just acquired isn't going to compete against Alabama.
https://www.si.com/college/clemson/recruiting/clemson-tigers-drop-in-updated-2022-recruiting-rankings
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Found this to be an interesting take I saw on twitter. I'm basically a college football agnostic (I do not care about it one way or another) but this seemed to make some sense to me:
Husky enthusiast
@NoEscalators
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Dec 31, 2021
the answer to "the 3rd and 4th best teams don't belong on the field with #1 and #2 basically every year" isn't "so let's not have a 4-team playoff", it's "so let's have a 16-team playoff and maybe a really good team that went 10-2 and finished 6th might give 1/2 a game"
Husky enthusiast
@NoEscalators
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Dec 31, 2021
weird, it seems that for the millionth consecutive season, using "having a 0 or a 1 in the loss column" as the sole criteria for selecting the playoff teams when everyone plays wildly disparate schedules might lead to mismatches!
Husky enthusiast
@NoEscalators
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Dec 31, 2021
every really good college football team plays like 2-3 games where the outcome is slightly in doubt and half of them end 27-24
maybe the teams who lose those coin flips and end up 9-3 might still be pretty good? just spitballing here
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I watch TAMU football every year until they are eliminated from the CFP. I thought I would get to tune out early this year but that win over Bama kept the hope alive for a couple more weeks. If they expand the playoffs, I would be forced to tune in for longer every year. I doubt I'm the only fan who behaves this way.
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North Dakota State wins FCS for 9th time in 11 Years . What a program .
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/33020274/north-dakota-state-football-continues-dominant-fcs-run-wins-ninth-championship-11-seasons
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North Dakota State wins FCS for 9th time in 11 Years . What a program .
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/33020274/north-dakota-state-football-continues-dominant-fcs-run-wins-ninth-championship-11-seasons
Even more impressive considering they were a D2 program less than 20 years ago. And that stretch of titles spanned 3 different coaches
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No playoff expansion coming. The sunset at the Rose Bowl is still safe
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No playoff expansion coming. The sunset at the Rose Bowl is still safe
Sort of disapointing on the first and glad on the latter. I just hope more networks get a piece of the pie.
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99 on Georgia is my new favorite player. VERY COOL
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The Jimbo Fischer feed is quite a fun watch.
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This game has stunk so far IMO. Teams driving and stalling inside the 30 isn't fun viewing, especially in a championship game
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This game has stunk so far IMO. Teams driving and stalling inside the 30 isn't fun viewing, especially in a championship game
I kind of like a good defensive game for a change. But sure, for those who want offensive fireworks, there have been very few.
Even though I'm rooting for Georgia, I sure wish the Bama receiver didn't get hurt.
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BORING
College Hoops > College Football.
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First two plays of the second half, Georgia rips off two long runs. Then they try a flea-flicker that ends up being intentional grounding, then two more passes, then punt. They intercept Young to get the ball right back in Bama territory. First down, pass. Second down, pass. Third down, pass. Punt.
Run the ball!
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First two plays of the second half, Georgia rips off two long runs. Then they try a flea-flicker that ends up being intentional grounding, then two more passes, then punt. They intercept Young to get the ball right back in Bama territory. First down, pass. Second down, pass. Third down, pass. Punt.
Run the ball!
Same with Bama. Running back was breaking down georgias defense and then they go pass, pass, pass.
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These obviously are great coaching staffs who have forgotten more football than any of us will ever know. But sometimes guys who are so intelligent outsmart themselves.
Georgia went back to the run, and that's why they're up right now.
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Thought Georgia should have gone for 2 and the dagger there. Could have taken it from the 1 yard line after the roughing call.
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ALWAYS go for 2 when you get a TD to go up 7.
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Go for 2 from the 1 1/2 yard line. Win the game!
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Glad we’re all in agreement. If you have a chance to bury Alabama, you take it.
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Young was making plays, getting first downs. Why he all of a sudden felt he needed to go deep on 3 straight plays is a mystery. The one play was open, the other 2 weren't.
Glad to see anybody but Alabama win for a change.
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Even the best team is going to have a lot of trouble be when your top 2 WRs have combined for 17 catches on the season.
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I know his two stud wideouts are gone, but Young has been very meh tonight. You just can not attempt that throw.
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I know his two stud wideouts are gone, but Young has been very meh tonight. You just can not attempt that throw.
And I can see if there were only 11 seconds left or something. But they've got a first down at midfield with 1:20 to go, all of their time-outs, and he's just completed a couple of nice underneath passes for first downs. Just move the ball downfield, give yourself some shots from the red zone.
Young usually "thinks" a better game than this one, but Georgia did beat the crud out of him. Lots of hits. And he obviously missed two WRs who will be making plays in the NFL.
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The thing I noticed was Georgia was just so damn fast.
They were all over the field.
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Dissal help Too Tan Tommy, aina?
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I know that a few folks didn't like that it was a defensive struggle for the first 3 quarters, but I thought overall it was an interesting game. I like defense -- especially as a nice change of pace in what's become almost a video-game-like situation most of the time -- and there was a lot of strategy.
And then the offenses did break out some in the fourth quarter, and it was a back-and-forth battle between two very good teams. That Georgia's defense made the game-clinching play was perfect.
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The thing I noticed was Georgia was just so damn fast.
They were all over the field.
Making Alabama look slow is no easy task. It was even more jarring against Michigan.
Credit to UGA whose philosophy is just to stockpile talent. Five stars and high four stars win titles. The rest are playing for mayonnaise baths
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Dissal help Too Tan Tommy, aina?
Was thinking the same thing
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Making Alabama look slow is no easy task. It was even more jarring against Michigan.
Credit to UGA whose philosophy is just to stockpile talent. Five stars and high four stars win titles. The rest are playing for mayonnaise baths
Not just any mayonnaise, bub. Duke's!
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Making Alabama look slow is no easy task. It was even more jarring against Michigan.
Credit to UGA whose philosophy is just to stockpile talent. Five stars and high four stars win titles. The rest are playing for mayonnaise baths
Weird how GA was so quickly able to increase their talent once Kirby took over
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Weird how GA was so quickly able to increase their talent once Kirby took over
Georgia has always had a lot of talent. The first team Smart got to the playoff (with Roquan Smith, Jake Fromm, Nick Chubb, Sony Michel, etc.) was pretty much all Richt recruits.
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Its amazing the transformation of Saban over the last 5 years or so, personality wise. He went from a detached coaching destroyer to an extremely likable guy who is serving as a really great voice in CFB. His moment with Bryce Young at the end of the press conference last night was fantastic
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Final AP Top 25
1 Georgia (61)
2 Alabama
3 Michigan
4 Cincinnati
5 Baylor
6 Ohio State
7 Oklahoma State
8 Notre Dame
9 Michigan State
10 Oklahoma
11 Ole Miss
12 Utah
13 Pittsburgh
14 Clemson
15 Wake Forest
16 Louisiana
17 Houston
18 Kentucky
19 BYU
20 NC State
21 Arkansas
22 Oregon
23 Iowa
24 Utah State
25 San Diego State
Others receiving votes: Texas A&M 115, Wisconsin 97, Minnesota 47, Purdue 44, UTSA 9, Army 6, Fresno State 2, Coastal Carolina 2, Air Force 1, UAB 1
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Final AP Top 25
1 Georgia (61)
2 Alabama
3 Michigan
4 Cincinnati
5 Baylor
6 Ohio State
7 Oklahoma State
8 Notre Dame
9 Michigan State
10 Oklahoma
11 Ole Miss
12 Utah
13 Pittsburgh
14 Clemson
15 Wake Forest
16 Louisiana
17 Houston
18 Kentucky
19 BYU
20 NC State
21 Arkansas
22 Oregon
23 Iowa
24 Utah State
25 San Diego State
Others receiving votes: Texas A&M 115, Wisconsin 97, Minnesota 47, Purdue 44, UTSA 9, Army 6, Fresno State 2, Coastal Carolina 2, Air Force 1, UAB 1
So the "new Big XII" would have 5 teams in the top 20. More than any conference, even the SEC. Feels like the new Big East in BB.
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So the "new Big XII" would have 5 teams in the top 20. More than any conference, even the SEC. Feels like the new Big East in BB.
not with the schedules they'll now be facing.
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not with the schedules they'll now be facing.
Maybe. Yet, BYU plays people. 5-0 vs Pac-12 & 1 game each vs Big 12 & ACC this past season along with Boise State.
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Jameson Williams tore his ACL last night.
Rough.
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Maybe. Yet, BYU plays people. 5-0 vs Pac-12 & 1 game each vs Big 12 & ACC this past season along with Boise State.
I'm not sure BYU is out bragging about their record against the Pac-12. :)
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Its amazing the transformation of Saban over the last 5 years or so, personality wise. He went from a detached coaching destroyer to an extremely likable guy who is serving as a really great voice in CFB. His moment with Bryce Young at the end of the press conference last night was fantastic
He really is fantastic. Why wouldn't you want to play for them if you are good enough?
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Jameson Williams tore his ACL last night.
Rough.
Feel bad for the kid. I hope he has a full recovery, because he stands to make big bucks.
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ACC commissioner Jim Phillips’ comments Friday that his conference wouldn’t support expansion until after the NCAA constitution changes (which will take place after the current window for early expansion) really sealing that (as early expansion needed unanimous support):
As we've written, this is the primary reason the ACC is against playoff expansion. The league wants the NCAA transformation to be completed before expansion.
"Now is not the time," Phillips says. "Our CEOs and ADs support the position."
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Short-sighted position by the ACC. No surprise.
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Kirk Ferentz sure seems like a classy guy.
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Hawaii's Todd Graham is resigning after two seasons on the job. His departure follows a mass exodus from within the team's roster amid allegations that he fostered a poor culture within the program. Graham, 57, posted an 11-11 record after taking over for Nick Rolovich following the 2019 season.
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Hawaii's Todd Graham is resigning after two seasons on the job. His departure follows a mass exodus from within the team's roster amid allegations that he fostered a poor culture within the program. Graham, 57, posted an 11-11 record after taking over for Nick Rolovich following the 2019 season.
Graham has left people who don't like him everywhere he's gone, hasn't he? When he bolted Pitt for ASU in 2012, that was his 5th head coaching job in 7 years, which stands out even in that business.
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Graham has left people who don't like him everywhere he's gone, hasn't he? When he bolted Pitt for ASU in 2012, that was his 5th head coaching job in 7 years, which stands out even in that business.
ASU was the 4th in 6, but otherwise yea. He’s a pretty good coach but by all accounts an absolute tool and jackass bully. I mean ASU and Hawaii have some pretty great recruiting advantages and a history of being pretty decent at football and he still failed there. Seems destined for a crappy Sun Belt program
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I don't think Hawaii has many great recruiting advantages. Their facilities are terrible, albiet improving. And if you are from the Lower 48 your family isn't going to be able to see you play a lot of home games. And road games in the Mountain West aren't exactly easy to travel to.
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But ... but ... but ... free agency for athletes will ruin college sports!
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But ... but ... but ... free agency for athletes will ruin college sports!
Just winding the gap.
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But ... but ... but ... free agency for athletes will ruin college sports!
So will Title IX and TV rights and limits on scholarships and the 3 point shot and a shot clock and on and on. It’s amazing it got this far. RIP
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So will Title IX and TV rights and limits on scholarships and the 3 point shot and a shot clock and on and on. It’s amazing it got this far. RIP
Let's not forget the introduction of dunking and the banning of the bumble bee jersey.
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Let's not forget the introduction of dunking and the banning of the bumble bee jersey.
And (gasp!) freshman eligibility.
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The next thing y'all are gonna tell us is that Black kids are being allowed to play on the U. of Kentucky basketball team.
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From The Athletic:
Georgia quarterback JT Daniels, who started two games this year, is transferring after Stetson Bennett IV, his replacement, finished the year as the starter and won a national title. Many viewed Daniels as the more talented quarterback, and some fans are already mad about retaining Bennett, who won them a national title … two weeks ago. I love college football.
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JT Daniels is becoming the next Mitch Mustain
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Timmy Chang to be the next coach at Hawaii.
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Timmy Chang to be the next coach at Hawaii.
Little light on good experience but literally nobody could be a better hire for selling the mystique and pride/potential of the Hawaii program
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Lol Badger fans were already celebrating Caleb Williams joining their team. Just committed to USC. Sad.
But hey, at least the top rated pro style quarterback recruit in the country coming out of high school is still under center for them.
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Lol Badger fans were already celebrating Caleb Williams joining their team. Just committed to USC. Sad.
But hey, at least the top rated pro style quarterback recruit in the country coming out of high school is still under center for them.
They’ve already started the “credits didn’t transfer” excuse
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Lol Badger fans were already celebrating Caleb Williams joining their team. Just committed to USC. Sad.
But hey, at least the top rated pro style quarterback recruit in the country coming out of high school is still under center for them.
I'm not sure why Williams even opened his recruitment, USC seemed like a pretty foregone conclusion. But then Wisconsin thinking they would be the destination for the top QB transfer on the market was amazing. Beyond that hilarity, talk about making no sense. The best QB to play for Paul Chryst was...Tom Savage? His QB situation at UW has been a literal parade of highly touted prospects who flame out or transfer. But sure, a future first round pick who was a revelation this year and also found most of his success in a spread system/air raid system wants to come play pro style with Chryst
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I'm not sure why Williams even opened his recruitment, USC seemed like a pretty foregone conclusion. But then Wisconsin thinking they would be the destination for the top QB transfer on the market was amazing. Beyond that hilarity, talk about making no sense. The best QB to play for Paul Chryst was...Tom Savage? His QB situation at UW has been a literal parade of highly touted prospects who flame out or transfer. But sure, a future first round pick who was a revelation this year and also found most of his success in a spread system/air raid system wants to come play pro style with Chryst
His talks with Graham Mertz moving forward will be a treat
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They’ve already started the “credits didn’t transfer” excuse
Cooled so much on him, there was frost in the room.
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I'm not sure why Williams even opened his recruitment, USC seemed like a pretty foregone conclusion. But then Wisconsin thinking they would be the destination for the top QB transfer on the market was amazing. Beyond that hilarity, talk about making no sense. The best QB to play for Paul Chryst was...Tom Savage? His QB situation at UW has been a literal parade of highly touted prospects who flame out or transfer. But sure, a future first round pick who was a revelation this year and also found most of his success in a spread system/air raid system wants to come play pro style with Chryst
New OC Bobby Engram's son, who is a sophomore at UW, was a high school classmate of Williams'. IMO it was clearly a curtesy and was a long shot.
Alex Hornibrook was clearly his top QB. His sophomore year they went 13-1 with the only loss being a six point defeat to Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship.
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New OC Bobby Engram's son, who is a sophomore at UW, was a high school classmate of Williams'. IMO it was clearly a curtesy and was a long shot.
Alex Hornibrook was clearly his top QB. His sophomore year they went 13-1 with the only loss being a six point defeat to Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship.
And 99% of Badgers fans wanted to send Hornibrook to the moon on a rocket ship
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And 99% of Badgers fans wanted to send Hornibrook to the moon on a rocket ship
Cause he stunk the next year because he had no one to throw the ball to with Cephus' suspension. I generally agree with Wags' premise that top QBs struggle at UW, and I think most of that is due to a complete lack of talent at the WR position.
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Cause he stunk the next year because he had no one to throw the ball to with Cephus' suspension. I generally agree with Wags' premise that top QBs struggle at UW, and I think most of that is due to a complete lack of talent at the WR position.
They flipped a 3* from Yale today
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From The Athletic:
Maryland hired Kevin Steele to be its defensive coordinator just last week, and the 63-year-old veteran coach was working the recruiting trail as late as Tuesday morning. By Tuesday afternoon, Steele had accepted a job to become Miami’s new defensive coordinator under Mario Cristobal.
That's right -- this guy stayed with his new team for a whole week before bolting for another new team. But yeah, it will kill college sports that football and basketball players have freedom of movement.
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From The Athletic:
Maryland hired Kevin Steele to be its defensive coordinator just last week, and the 63-year-old veteran coach was working the recruiting trail as late as Tuesday morning. By Tuesday afternoon, Steele had accepted a job to become Miami’s new defensive coordinator under Mario Cristobal.
That's right -- this guy stayed with his new team for a whole week before bolting for another new team. But yeah, it will kill college sports that football and basketball players have freedom of movement.
He never signed a contract. Same way a player that has only verbally committed but never signed could switch to whatever school they fancy
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He never signed a contract. Same way a player that has only verbally committed but never signed could switch to whatever school they fancy
Sure, but players who verbally commit don't "unofficially" start working for the school. Anyway, I know you agree with me, so let's not argue over semantics. Thank goodness football and basketball athletes finally have the same rights that all other college students -- and even non-major-sport athletes -- do.
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Looks like the Brian Harsin disaster is going to over at Auburn. Apparently having an affair with his assistant who he brought from Boise. Or maybe everyone knew that and this is the way to get him fired for cause right after signing day.
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Looks like the Brian Harsin disaster is going to over at Auburn. Apparently having an affair with his assistant who he brought from Boise. Or maybe everyone knew that and this is the way to get him fired for cause right after signing day.
They should probably go get that guy from Central Florida.
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Playoff officially remaining 4 teams through 2025, as Big 14, PAC-12 and ACC all reject expanded playoff.
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Tennessee's top recruit, a 5-star QB named Nico Iamaleava who will start play this fall, apparently has NIL deals worth $8 million.
From The Athletic:
It’s hard to miss Nico Iamaleava on a practice field, as The Athletic’s Andy Staples writes. He’s 6-foot-6 and plays seven-on-seven football in loud pajama pants.
The five-star quarterback, committed to Tennessee, has a silky arm, a smoother personality and the business acumen of a mogul. Though not overtly confirmed, Staples surmises well that Iamaleava is probably the $8 million NIL star detailed in this Athletic piece from March. Iamaleava checks all the boxes.
https://theathletic.com/3178558/2022/03/11/five-star-recruit-in-class-of-2023-signs-agreement-with-collective-that-could-pay-him-more-than-8-million/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=4036789&email_login=mikenadel%40sbcglobal.net
Those pajama pants, by the way? They’ll be for sale soon, just one spoke in the NIL wheel.
Why Tennessee? Spyre Sports, a Knoxville, Tenn.-based marketing agency, is on the forefront of NIL deals, like that rumored $8 million deal for the “unnamed” recruit. Staples noticed that within hours of Iamaleava showing up for an official visit to Tennessee last week, the quarterback was at a meet-and-greet with Tennessee fans at a Knoxville ice cream shop.
It’s clear Iamaleava has the personality, and he clearly has the talent as a five-star prospect. But he hasn’t played a down of college football yet. We’ll see if he can live up to the $8 million hype.