2021-22 College Football thread

[The Sultan]

So he's gone from being the best in ND history to better than Bob Davie, Tyrone Willingham and Charlie Weis (big frickin' deal) but not as good as Rockne, Leahy, Ara, Holtz and maybe Divine. That's quite a walk back - why not just admit you originally said a dumb thing?

Isn't walking something back pretty much that?

You're really argumentative over the most pedantic things.

[The Sultan]

On the brink implies that something is close to happening. They were never close to a championship. Those games were non-competetive from the get-go.

Finishing second is on the brink.

[Lennys Tap]

Isn't walking something back pretty much that?

You're really argumentative over the most pedantic things.

You accidentally say funny things every once in a while.

[Pakuni]

Finishing second is on the brink.

Not when you're down 28-0 in the second quarter.

[wadesworld]

Not when you're down 28-0 in the second quarter.

It is though. By definition if you are playing in a national championship game you are on the brink of winning a title. If Notre Dame hasn't been on the brink of a national title under Kelly then there is no "on the brink." It's either you're the champion or you weren't close.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I am consistently amazed by Scoop's ability to argue over vocabulary

[MU82]

I am consistently amazed by Scoop's ability to argue over vocabulary

Is it really "arguing," though? This seemed like more of a debate or dispute or perhaps a kerfuffle over semantics.

"Argue"? Unbelievable. So typical of a Millennial like you, TAMU.

[Pakuni]

Some interesting goings on between Oklahoma and USC.

https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/is-roy-manning-recruiting-for-both-lincoln-riley-and-oklahoma

[Billy Hoyle]

I am consistently amazed by Scoop's ability to argue over vocabulary

considering Millennials and Gen Z have completely changed the definition of many words it's no surprise people argue over vocabulary. When someone says they "literally died" after a close game then it's appropriate to call out their choice of words (unless they really did rise from the dead, but I don't think Christ is coming back to attend basketball games on the down low).

[jesmu84]

considering Millennials and Gen Z have completely changed the definition of many words it's no surprise people argue over vocabulary. When someone says they "literally died" after a close game then it's appropriate to call out their choice of words (unless they really did rise from the dead, but I don't think Christ is coming back to attend basketball games on the down low).

For sure those 2 groups are the first in history to change language use

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

considering Millennials and Gen Z have completely changed the definition of many words it's no surprise people argue over vocabulary. When someone says they "literally died" after a close game then it's appropriate to call out their choice of words (unless they really did rise from the dead, but I don't think Christ is coming back to attend basketball games on the down low).

Dude, just stop. Definitions of words have changed since there was language. Put your hate boner for the young people away.

[Warrior Code]

On the brink is a very generous view of losses by scores of 42-14 (at one point 35-0), 30-3, and 31-14 (at one point 31-7). Not just in playoff games, Kelly's teams rarely were competitive against any top-flight opponents. His Notre Dame teams went 3-10 vs top 10 opponents, and one of those wins was in OT against a Trevor Lawrence-less Clemson.
He did a good job at Notre Dame and, as you said, was their best coach since Holtz. But I wouldn't assume that Brian Kelly hit Notre Dame's ceiling. Maybe he just hit his ceiling.

On the brink implies that something is close to happening. They were never close to a championship. Those games were non-competetive from the get-go.

Thank you, this is what I meant. There might be someone else who could do it at ND, there might not. But my opinion is I don't think Kelly was ever going to be the guy to do it, despite all his success.

[Pakuni]

considering Millennials and Gen Z have completely changed the definition of many words it's no surprise people argue over vocabulary. When someone says they "literally died" after a close game then it's appropriate to call out their choice of words (unless they really did rise from the dead, but I don't think Christ is coming back to attend basketball games on the down low).

Yes, it's only in the last 20 years that the English language has evolved.
This may be literally the dumbest post in Scoop history.

[Uncle Rico]

Yes, it's only in the last 20 years that the English language has evolved.
This may be literally the dumbest post in Scoop history.

I blame the media

[Mr. Nielsen]

Championship Weekend

Friday, Dec. 3
Western Kentucky at UTSA (Conference USA Championship Game in San Antonio, Texas) | 6 p.m. | CBSSN
No. 10 Oregon vs. No. 17 Utah (Pac-12 Championship Game in Las Vegas, Nevada) | 7 p.m. | ABC


Saturday, Dec. 4
No. 9 Baylor vs. No. 5 Oklahoma State (Big 12 Championship Game in Arlington, Texas) | 11a.m. | ABC
Kent State vs. Northern Illinois (MAC Championship Game in Detroit, Michigan) | 11 a.m. | ESPN
Utah State vs. No. 19 San Diego Sate (Mountain West Championship Game in Carson, California) | 2 p.m. | FOX
Appalachian State at No. 24 Louisiana (Sun Belt Championship Game) | 2:30 p.m. | ESPN
No. 1 Georgia vs. No. 3 Alabama (SEC Championship Game in Atlanta, Georgia) | 3 p.m. | CBS
No. 21 Houston at No. 4 Cincinnati (AAC Championship Game) | 3 p.m. | ABC
No. 15 Pitt vs. No. 16 Wake Forest (ACC Championship Game in Charlotte, North Carolina) | 7 p.m. | ABC
No. 2 Michigan vs. No. 13 Iowa (Big Ten Championship Game in Indianapolis, Indiana) | 7 p.m. | FOX
USC at Cal | 10 p.m. | FS1

[Hards Alumni]

considering Millennials and Gen Z have completely changed the definition of many words it's no surprise people argue over vocabulary. When someone says they "literally died" after a close game then it's appropriate to call out their choice of words (unless they really did rise from the dead, but I don't think Christ is coming back to attend basketball games on the down low).

[Hards Alumni]

Brother Hards:

LSU pays more, yes.

But look at what you're up against. Georgia and Alabama are two of the top teams in the nation.

Florida, Mississippi, Texas A&M, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee and soon, Oklahoma and Texas, are traditional powers that had varying degrees of success in the past 20 years.

Which leaves Mississippi State, Missouri, Kentucky, South Carolina and Vanderbilt as the only soft parts of the conference

You're effectively fighting a war every week against the nation's very best football teams with a fan base that will cut you at the knees if you lose a single game. At Notre Dame, one and maybe even two losses might get you to the playoffs.

Look, everybody says money, but somehow I'd bet Notre Dame could match LSU. It's about Nattys and, sorry Domers, the look of this job change is you can, maybe, win a natty at LSU. You aren't likely to do so at Notre Dame. At day's end, I gotta believe that's the ONLY reason Kelly moved.

Then I think we generally agree.

The problem with ND (and Indiana basketball) is that they're constantly looking backwards.  And they think that the rest of college football cares.  Their fans are delusional the same way Celtics fans were in the mid 90s.  The sport changed and left them behind and they haven't figured out that they're not the top dog anymore.

[MU82]

I haven't seen Iowa play 30 seconds of football this season. How likely is it they actually beat Michigan?

Michigan played at a very high level vs. Ohio State. We'll see how good Coach Harbaugh is at getting his team to avoid a letdown. There's so much on the line that it seems impossible they'd have a letdown, but who knows?

[The Sultan]

I don't think it is terribly likely that Iowa wins, but Iowa mucks up games by running the ball well while preventing the other team from doing so.  If Iowa wins, they will win ugly.

[JWags85]

I don't think it is terribly likely that Iowa wins, but Iowa mucks up games by running the ball well while preventing the other team from doing so.  If Iowa wins, they will win ugly.

I dont disagree.  But Michigan's strength matches up with Iowa's pretty well.  I don't know how Iowa scores cause their offense is horrid and Michigan's D is tough.  It won't be shootout in any case.

Oregon-Utah is a great revenge game for the Ducks.
OK St-Baylor is similarly fueled and very promising.
And obviously the SEC championship will be something else.

Could be the lamest ACC championship featuring ranked teams maybe ever

[The Sultan]

I dont disagree.  But Michigan's strength matches up with Iowa's pretty well.  I don't know how Iowa scores cause their offense is horrid and Michigan's D is tough.  It won't be shootout in any case.

Oregon-Utah is a great revenge game for the Ducks.
OK St-Baylor is similarly fueled and very promising.
And obviously the SEC championship will be something else.

Could be the lamest ACC championship featuring ranked teams maybe ever

Wait, are you saying you're not enthralled by Pitt v. Wake?

[Mr. Nielsen]

Wait, are you saying you're not enthralled by Pitt v. Wake?

Actually if you changed the names of these schools, say FSU vs UNC most would be singing a different tune.

[MU82]

I dont disagree.  But Michigan's strength matches up with Iowa's pretty well.  I don't know how Iowa scores cause their offense is horrid and Michigan's D is tough.  It won't be shootout in any case.

Oregon-Utah is a great revenge game for the Ducks.
OK St-Baylor is similarly fueled and very promising.
And obviously the SEC championship will be something else.

Could be the lamest ACC championship featuring ranked teams maybe ever

Thanks for your info on Iowa. (You too, FBM.)

I'll be keeping an eye on Okla St vs Baylor during time-outs in Marquette's victory over Madison, and I'll definitely watch Georgia-Bama. My wife and I have plans Sat night so I'll have to catch the highlights of Michigan-Iowa. If it's as big a slog as you say, I won't miss much!

I don't care about the Pac-12 and ACC games because there are no national implications. I guess I'm mildly interested in the ACC game because I've seen the Pitt QB's name linked to the Panthers in a few early mock drafts.

[JWags85]

Actually if you changed the names of these schools, say FSU vs UNC most would be singing a different tune.

Its less about the schools not being "prestigious" football names and more that neither are all that great.  Wake is a nice story and they have a really fun offense, but they are pretty meh and have no wins of note and got whomped by a down year Clemson.  Pitt is the same including a loss to a really mediocre MAC team.  The ACC just stinks out loud this year.

[The Sultan]

Actually if you changed the names of these schools, say FSU vs UNC most would be singing a different tune.

At least the stadium would be more than half full with those two schools.