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Title: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 29, 2022, 02:17:38 PM
Hi
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on June 29, 2022, 02:41:36 PM
Philly going to get hit with tampering charges and not allowed to sign PJ?

Knicks going to get hit with tampering charges and not allowed to sign Brunson?  I mean, they had representatives sitting courtside at Mavs Playoff games...
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2022, 03:15:42 PM
Nah, only da Bucks get poked, hey?
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Post by: JWags85 on June 29, 2022, 04:50:57 PM
Not sure where else to post it, but there are a bunch of NBA adjacent guys playing so...

I haven't been able to find definitive info, but it seems like the BSN, the Puerto Rican pro league, got an influx of cash this year.  I saw a couple scores when I was flipping through an app and then watched a few games cause they are all broadcast on Youtube.  A TON of bigger former NBA/top foreign league names that aren't normally in the Latin American BB pipeline.  Both Buycks and Jamil are playing there.  Kaleb Wesson, Thomas Robinson, Terrance Jones, Mitch Creek who usually doesn't leave Australia except for NBA looks, Check Diallo, and Skal Labassiere.  Plus a couple of the coaches moved from top Euro leagues.

Its actually really fun, high scoring basketball and the crowds are raucous.  I wonder how much the CBA not being an option has changed the dynamic of some of the American talent destinations abroad.  Also it being a summer league while the Euro leagues are off.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 29, 2022, 07:00:06 PM
Are the Spurs tanking with the goal of getting Webanyama?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on June 29, 2022, 07:39:14 PM
Philly going to get hit with tampering charges and not allowed to sign PJ?

Knicks going to get hit with tampering charges and not allowed to sign Brunson?  I mean, they had representatives sitting courtside at Mavs Playoff games...

My guess…. The Bucks got screwed cause Bogdan’s agent wanted out of the deal cause he knew he’d get a better deal from the Hawks.

That’s not happening above because all parties want these deals to happen.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on June 29, 2022, 07:46:51 PM
Are the Spurs tanking with the goal of getting Webanyama?


Yes. It’s a complete rebuild. They will compete for the No. 1 pick in next years draft.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: ZaLiN on June 29, 2022, 08:13:42 PM
Nah, only da Bucks get poked, hey?

Bulls did too
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on June 30, 2022, 01:54:08 PM
Durant requests trade.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on June 30, 2022, 03:04:57 PM
Durant requests trade.

Lol. I love how much drama the former Thunder guys have created in the last 24 months.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on June 30, 2022, 03:59:23 PM
Overrated asset. The only way he has ever won a title was joining a team that was good enough to win without him.

The same will be true in the future.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 30, 2022, 04:04:54 PM
Overrated asset. The only way he has ever won a title was joining a team that was good enough to win without him.

The same will be true in the future.

Durant is not overrated. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 30, 2022, 04:28:38 PM
mile bridges arrested for domestic violence-it will be interesting if this affects his pending free agency

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34170624/charlotte-hornets-miles-bridges-arrested-los-angeles-eve-free-agency
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on June 30, 2022, 04:34:16 PM
Durant is not overrated.

No kidding.

Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, etc. were all still great players.  KD having only won his rings with a dynasty doesn't make him overrated.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on June 30, 2022, 05:35:48 PM
Bucks signing Joe Ingles and getting fan-favorite Bobby for another 4 years.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 30, 2022, 06:31:12 PM
Bucks signing Joe Ingles and getting fan-favorite Bobby for another 4 years.

Hmmmm.  What happened to Ingles?  He used to be pretty decent.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 30, 2022, 06:38:47 PM
Hmmmm.  What happened to Ingles?  He used to be pretty decent.

 jevon carter and wesley returning as well.  anyone know what the joe ingles attraction is?  where does he fit in?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on June 30, 2022, 07:04:07 PM
Hmmmm.  What happened to Ingles?  He used to be pretty decent.

Injured last year.  Torn ACL.

jevon carter and wesley returning as well.  anyone know what the joe ingles attraction is?  where does he fit in?

Shooter with size.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on June 30, 2022, 07:47:46 PM
No kidding.

Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, etc. were all still great players.  KD having only won his rings with a dynasty doesn't make him overrated.

Overrated for the way he is talked about. He is not gonna win a title without an Alpha on the team. He ain’t it.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on June 30, 2022, 08:04:03 PM
Overrated for the way he is talked about. He is not gonna win a title without an Alpha on the team. He ain’t it.

He was arguably the alpha on the two GSW championships he was on. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 30, 2022, 08:44:35 PM
Overrated for the way he is talked about. He is not gonna win a title without an Alpha on the team. He ain’t it.

Jockey, I'm a Curry guy, but "overrated" is honestly insane.  He's still easily in the top 20 players ever and probably top 15.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: ZaLiN on June 30, 2022, 09:10:52 PM
Kevin Durant has the ability to score on iso, shoot off off the ball screens, can shoot from deep off dribble off screen etc, and a great ball handler…at seven feet tall. But yes let’s call him overrated.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on June 30, 2022, 09:17:23 PM
Jockey, I'm a Curry guy, but "overrated" is honestly insane.  He's still easily in the top 20 players ever and probably top 15.

Muggsy, I freely admit Durant is one of the top 3 most skilled players in the world.

He is not one of the 3 best. He cannot lead a team to a championship.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 30, 2022, 10:01:51 PM
Muggsy, I freely admit Durant is one of the top 3 most skilled players in the world.

He is not one of the 3 best. He cannot lead a team to a championship.

He has to have the right guys around him.  He came pretty close (by himself) to beating the Bucks in 2021.  I'm not saying he deserves a free pass or no criticism but he may have not known the level of Kyrie's insanity. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 30, 2022, 10:02:58 PM
Bradley Beal btw has made about 500 m in NBA contracts.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on June 30, 2022, 10:03:24 PM
He was arguably the alpha on the two GSW championships he was on.

Yup.

When all is said and done he will be a top 10 player ever.

He’d have won back to back titles with the Nets if he had a size 17 shoe instead of 17.5.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 30, 2022, 10:10:26 PM
Ingles is a career 40% 3pt shooter.  What are the odds Grayson Allen gets his head out of his ass?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on June 30, 2022, 10:12:01 PM
Ingles is a career 40% 3pt shooter.  What are the odds Grayson Allen gets his head out of his ass?

I’m not overly worried about Grayson. If Middleton stays healthy, Grayson doesn’t have to do anything but catch and shoot open 3s, attack a closeout once a half, and guard the worst perimeter player for 25 mpg.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 30, 2022, 10:19:29 PM
I’m not overly worried about Grayson. If Middleton stays healthy, Grayson doesn’t have to do anything but catch and shoot open 3s, attack a closeout once a half, and guard the worst perimeter player for 25 mpg.

I expect Giannis to have his best season. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on June 30, 2022, 10:27:11 PM
He was arguably the alpha on the two GSW championships he was on.

Draymond was the Alpha. Curry was the driver of the car.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on June 30, 2022, 10:37:16 PM
Draymond was the Alpha. Curry was the driver of the car.

And KD was the best player.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on June 30, 2022, 10:38:28 PM
So Durant is overrated but Draymond isn't?  Oh.....okay.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on June 30, 2022, 11:24:58 PM
So Durant is overrated but Draymond isn't?  Oh.....okay.

I never even made a comment about Draymond's abilities.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on June 30, 2022, 11:41:23 PM
And KD was the best player.

KD was the best quitter. He has quit everywhere. He just signed a new deal with the Nets 10 Months ago and is now quitting on them. He will never win a title without Curry.

It's also a bit odd that the 'best player in the world' has only won 1 MVP. THREE different guys have won multiple MVPs since Durant won his only one.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 01, 2022, 12:05:08 AM
KD was the best quitter. He has quit everywhere. He just signed a new deal with the Nets 10 Months ago and is now quitting on them. He will never win a title without Curry.

It's also a bit odd that the 'best player in the world' has only won 1 MVP. THREE different guys have won multiple MVPs since Durant won his only one.

Where has he quit? Free agents leaving for a new team when their contract is up is “quitting?”

So you’re of the belief that Harden and Russ were the best player in the world the years they won MVP? That Jokic has been the best player in the world the last 2 years? That LBJ has only been the best player in the world for 4 years of his life?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 01, 2022, 07:53:05 AM
KD was the best quitter. He has quit everywhere. He just signed a new deal with the Nets 10 Months ago and is now quitting on them. He will never win a title without Curry.

It's also a bit odd that the 'best player in the world' has only won 1 MVP. THREE different guys have won multiple MVPs since Durant won his only one.

His legacy is tarnished for sure.  But that does not mean he's overrated. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 01, 2022, 07:56:21 AM
If the Nets can get Ayton, Bridges, and Cam Johnson for Durant would you' make that deal?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 01, 2022, 08:39:20 AM
Would the Bucks take a flier on Kemba Walker if he has interest?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on July 01, 2022, 08:46:59 AM
If the Nets can get Ayton, Bridges, and Cam Johnson for Durant would you' make that deal?

No.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 01, 2022, 09:20:12 AM
Where has he quit? Free agents leaving for a new team when their contract is up is “quitting?”

So you’re of the belief that Harden and Russ were the best player in the world the years they won MVP? That Jokic has been the best player in the world the last 2 years? That LBJ has only been the best player in the world for 4 years of his life?

He signed a 4 year deal with the Nets less than a year ago and now he is quitting on them.

It amazed me how you defend Durant always, but constantly have attacked a far superior player (Lebron) over the years.

Finally, yes, the greatest players win multiple MVPs. Very good players can win one.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 01, 2022, 09:23:03 AM
His legacy is tarnished for sure.  But that does not mean he's overrated.

There are people here who think he is top 10 all-time. That is overrated.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 01, 2022, 09:26:25 AM
He signed a 4 year deal with the Nets less than a year ago and now he is quitting on them.

It amazed me how you defend Durant always, but constantly have attacked a far superior player (Lebron) over the years.

Finally, yes, the greatest players win multiple MVPs. Very good players can win one.

You said he quit "everywhere" and then proceeded to list one place.  He didn't quit on OKC and he didn't quit on GSW.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 01, 2022, 09:55:36 AM
You said he quit "everywhere" and then proceeded to list one place.  He didn't quit on OKC and he didn't quit on GSW.

Exactly.  And nothing has been finalized for his exit from the Nets.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 01, 2022, 12:49:24 PM
You said he quit "everywhere" and then proceeded to list one place.  He didn't quit on OKC and he didn't quit on GSW.

He also opted out on GS (where Curry still got the most attention). Semantics? Yes, but he still left a team where he could have won more championships.

I don't believe he will ever win a title again even though he always chooses where he wants to play. He's not gonna find another Curry to carry a team to a title. Or a team where the two best players (Curry, Klay) willingly sacrificed their own stats to win.

He will always score because he shoots more than almost everyone in the league - I believe he was 4th this year in most shots per game.

I still don't think I am demeaning him. I have said he is one of the 3 most highly skilled players in the world. But he is no Giannis.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 01, 2022, 12:55:28 PM
He also opted out on GS (where Curry still got the most attention). Semantics? Yes, but he still left a team where he could have won more championships.

I don't believe he will ever win a title again even though he always chooses where he wants to play. He's not gonna find another Curry to carry a team to a title. Or a team where the two best players (Curry, Klay) willingly sacrificed their own stats to win.

He will always score because he shoots more than almost everyone in the league - I believe he was 4th this year in most shots per game.

I still don't think I am demeaning him. I have said he is one of the 3 most highly skilled players in the world. But he is no Giannis.

So he gets knocked because his rings don’t count because dynasty/Curry/Klay. But he gets knocked because he left Curry/Klay where he would’ve won more rings. And he’s a quitter because he opted out of his contract like every top player does because they can earn more money by opting out and signing a new deal? And knocked because one of the greatest scorers in the history of the game shoots a lot.

This is just really silly.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: BM1090 on July 01, 2022, 02:01:43 PM
Where has he quit? Free agents leaving for a new team when their contract is up is “quitting?”

So you’re of the belief that Harden and Russ were the best player in the world the years they won MVP? That Jokic has been the best player in the world the last 2 years? That LBJ has only been the best player in the world for 4 years of his life?

No. Maybe? Giannis has an argument. No.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 01, 2022, 02:18:46 PM
There are people here who think he is top 10 all-time. That is overrated.

Your logic is irrational Jockey and personally I wouldn't put him in the top 10 of all time.  But if some people think he's 9th as opposed to say 14th, 15th, 16th that doesn't make him "overrated". 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 01, 2022, 03:20:09 PM
The Wolves are now the answer to "What sports franchise made the worst trade in history"

Unbelievable.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 01, 2022, 03:23:48 PM
The Wolves are now the answer to "What sports franchise made the worst trade in history"

Unbelievable.

Wow.....incredible trade.  It better work or they won't be good for like a decade.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 01, 2022, 03:26:50 PM
Gobert and Towns paired together to be the softest front court in NBA history
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 01, 2022, 03:29:35 PM
The Celtics got Brogdon and Gallinari for basically nothing?  WTF?  The Bucks may have to make one more move.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 01, 2022, 03:43:19 PM
The Celtics got Brogdon and Gallinari for basically nothing?  WTF?  The Bucks may have to make one more move.

Gallo was a free agent, the Spurs bought him out.

But the Celtics better hope Brogdon works, cause even if it didn't cost rotation guys, it took all their young cheap talent.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on July 01, 2022, 04:01:47 PM
Wow.....incredible trade.  It better work or they won't be good for like a decade.

I saw the headline and my first thought was that this has major Nets-style disaster written all over it.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on July 01, 2022, 04:06:15 PM
I feel like the Kings are doing whatever it takes to slide into that 8 seed and end the drought, not actually trying to win anything meaningful.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on July 01, 2022, 04:09:06 PM
Gobert and Towns paired together to be the softest front court in NBA history

Can you be a three-time DPOY and soft?

Regardless, this trade has a chance to blow up spectacularly for the T-Wolves, and I'm here for it.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on July 01, 2022, 04:15:02 PM
I think the Blazers and Jazz should trade off having Dame and Mitchell in alternating years or something. It doesn't seem right to have to have them both on rebuilding teams stocked with picks simultaneously.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Goose on July 01, 2022, 04:37:02 PM
Great to see #5 get a new contract from the Warriors. I wonder what 82 thinks about it, he has been awfully quiet the last 24 hours.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 01, 2022, 04:48:07 PM
I've reached out and extended my congrats to the Looney family. Hope I didn't piss off Hards by doing so. As for 82, its probably better to leave a sleeping dog lie, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 01, 2022, 05:50:16 PM
I've reached out and extended my congrats to the Looney family. Hope I didn't piss off Hards by doing so. As for 82, its probably better to leave a sleeping dog lie, hey?

I do not care if you do anything with the Looney family.  Just thought it was funny that you're name dropping like our boy Cheeks used to do.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 01, 2022, 06:51:43 PM
There are people here who think he is top 10 all-time. That is overrated.

No. It is not.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 01, 2022, 06:53:21 PM
His legacy is tarnished for sure.  But that does not mean he's overrated. 

His legacy isn’t “tarnished.”  That’s silly.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 01, 2022, 07:01:14 PM
No. It is not.

I understand your point. I think Steph is now a borderline top 10. I rate him a bit ahead of Durant.

And Giannis is a better player than Durant. He is now and if he remains healthy, he will be historically.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: BM1090 on July 01, 2022, 07:23:47 PM
I understand your point. I think Steph is now a borderline top 10. I rate him a bit ahead of Durant.

And Giannis is a better player than Durant. He is now and if he remains healthy, he will be historically.

He is now. But this year is probably the first year that is true.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Goose on July 01, 2022, 08:20:58 PM
Double Dribble,

My guess is 82 is in a long overdue vacation from scoop. He should have been blocked a long time ago.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 01, 2022, 08:27:01 PM
Double Dribble,

My guess is 82 is in a long overdue vacation from scoop. He should have been blocked a long time ago.


LOL.  Goose replying to the wrong topic.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on July 01, 2022, 09:20:30 PM
No. It is not.

Trying to come up with an argument for Durant being top 10 all time.and drawing blanks..
25th career win shares
22nd career playoff win shares
14th career win shares per 48
16th career playoff win shares per 48
15th career VORP
9th career playoff VORP
Top 3 players in similarity score: Garnett, Barkley, Erving.
1 MVP (15 players have 2+)
2 rings on stacked teams.
Great player and obvious first-ballot HOF. Great case for top 20. Not so much top 10.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on July 01, 2022, 09:32:03 PM
I'd love to see the Lakers trade Lebron and Westbrook, for Durant and Kyrie.

Durant, Kyrie, and Davis win a title.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 01, 2022, 09:57:09 PM
Trying to come up with an argument for Durant being top 10 all time.and drawing blanks..
25th career win shares
22nd career playoff win shares
14th career win shares per 48
16th career playoff win shares per 48
15th career VORP
9th career playoff VORP
Top 3 players in similarity score: Garnett, Barkley, Erving.
1 MVP (15 players have 2+)
2 rings on stacked teams.
Great player and obvious first-ballot HOF. Great case for top 20. Not so much top 10.

Can you name 20 better players or are you just going to look at win share stats?  I would say he has more than "a case" for being top 20. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 01, 2022, 09:59:48 PM
I understand your point. I think Steph is now a borderline top 10. I rate him a bit ahead of Durant.

And Giannis is a better player than Durant. He is now and if he remains healthy, he will be historically.

Agreed.  There is no question Giannis' potential is solidly in the top 10 historically. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on July 01, 2022, 10:12:19 PM
Can you name 20 better players or are you just going to look at win share stats?  I would say he has more than "a case" for being top 20.

1. Why would I need to name 20 players to argue he's not top 10?
2. Pretty sure I offered more than win share stats.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 01, 2022, 10:16:18 PM
1. Why would I need to name 20 players to argue he's not top 10?
2. Pretty sure I offered more than win share stats.

Again, I have him outside the top 10 as do many others.  That doesn't make him overrated. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 02, 2022, 07:41:38 AM
Again, I have him outside the top 10 as do many others.  That doesn't make him overrated.

Pakuni didn’t say he was overrated. I did.

He is a great player. Also a high volume shooter and I think those guys are rated higher than they should be.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 02, 2022, 07:44:16 AM
Pakuni didn’t say he was overrated. I did.

He is a great player. Also a high volume shooter and I think those guys are rated higher than they should be.

He's not a high volume shooter among the top all-timer scorers per game.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 02, 2022, 08:04:59 AM
I do not care if you do anything with the Looney family.  Just thought it was funny that you're name dropping like our boy Cheeks used to do.

then why comment at all...as i said earlier-self discipline ain't in your repertoire. 

  name dropping can be really cool especially how doc got to know keevon as a young kid.  being able to watch someone grow and develop into the people they have become.  hards hates this because he doesn't know anyone and hasn't become anything in his own life except a scoop nerd
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Goose on July 02, 2022, 08:11:36 AM
rocket

It is very cool that Double Dribble has known Kevon most of his life. It is far from name dropping when you have a long personal relationship with a family. It is far more entertaining than reading most of the crap posted on here.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 02, 2022, 08:17:42 AM
rocket

It is very cool that Double Dribble has known Kevon most of his life. It is far from name dropping when you have a long personal relationship with a family. It is far more entertaining than reading most of the crap posted on here.

Keep your head up Goose. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 02, 2022, 08:22:44 AM
then why comment at all...as i said earlier-self discipline ain't in your repertoire. 

  name dropping can be really cool especially how doc got to know keevon as a young kid.  being able to watch someone grow and develop into the people they have become.  hards hates this because he doesn't know anyone and hasn't become anything in his own life except a scoop nerd

At least he doesn’t embarrass the dental school
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Goose on July 02, 2022, 08:50:49 AM
Muggsy

Have a great 4th of July weekend!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 02, 2022, 09:02:00 AM
Muggsy

Have a great 4th of July weekend!

You too Goose!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 02, 2022, 09:07:31 AM
I'm a Bulls fan here. Can anyone explain what they hell the Bulls are doing? That teams has maybe a max potential of a 4 seed and second round playoff team. I understand teams have to spend money so maybe the Lavine signing makes sense, also he can be traded, but the new management has some runway so why don't they tear it down while they can? The franchise seems dead set on 10-15 years of mediocrity with no playoff success (they were boo'd off the court this year) and late teen draft picks. Its no different than the Knicks or Portland.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 02, 2022, 09:12:18 AM
I'm a Bulls fan here. Can anyone explain what they hell the Bulls are doing? That teams has maybe a max potential of a 4 seed and second round playoff team. I understand teams have to spend money so maybe the Lavine signing makes sense, also he can be traded, but the new management has some runway so why don't they tear it down while they can? The franchise seems dead set on 10-15 years of mediocrity with no playoff success (they were boo'd off the court this year) and late teen draft picks. Its no different than the Knicks or Portland.

There are no guarantees in tanking 🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 02, 2022, 09:29:45 AM
There are no guarantees in tanking 🤷🏼‍♂️
True, but they are guaranteed to be mediocre on the present path.

I don't see Lavine becoming a real star player ever in the NBA. He is a good third option on a championship level team, which what he'll hopefully be in a few years when the Bulls decide to tear it down.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 02, 2022, 09:32:23 AM
True, but they are guaranteed to be mediocre on the present path.

I don't see Lavine becoming a real star player ever in the NBA. He is a good third option on a championship level team, which what he'll hopefully be in a few years when the Bulls decide to tear it down.

Yeah, there are no easy answers for them at the moment.  The Bucks and Celtics are clearly ahead of them.  Depending where Durant goes, if it’s Miami, that’s another team ahead of them. 

Detroit and Cleveland are lurking as well. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 02, 2022, 09:50:27 AM
Yeah, there are no easy answers for them at the moment.  The Bucks and Celtics are clearly ahead of them.  Depending where Durant goes, if it’s Miami, that’s another team ahead of them. 

Detroit and Cleveland are lurking as well.
I'd put the 76'ers and Raptors ahead of them also.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 02, 2022, 10:17:34 AM
I'm a Bulls fan here. Can anyone explain what they hell the Bulls are doing? That teams has maybe a max potential of a 4 seed and second round playoff team. I understand teams have to spend money so maybe the Lavine signing makes sense, also he can be traded, but the new management has some runway so why don't they tear it down while they can? The franchise seems dead set on 10-15 years of mediocrity with no playoff success (they were boo'd off the court this year) and late teen draft picks. Its no different than the Knicks or Portland.

I think they had to sign Lavine.  There's no guarantee they can get a big-time free agent.  As far as tearing it down I think we need to see this team for a prolonged stretch with Lonzo Ball.  The Bulls are super high on Patrick Williams.  If he's a potential all-star they have a pretty formidable rotation.   To your point though you have to wonder if Lavine and DeRozan are good enough to get this team to a ECF let alone a title?  If they're not who could they realistically go after?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 02, 2022, 10:35:21 AM
I think they had to sign Lavine.  There's no guarantee they can get a big-time free agent.  As far as tearing it down I think we need to see this team for a prolonged stretch with Lonzo Ball.  The Bulls are super high on Patrick Williams.  If he's a potential all-star they have a pretty formidable rotation.   To your point though you have to wonder if Lavine and DeRozan are good enough to get this team to a ECF let alone a title?  If they're not who could they realistically go after?
Good points. I don't think any decent free agent would come to the Bulls. Why would they? There is no good young players and Levine and DeRozan suck up all the shots. In my opinion, there is no decent foundation for success so tearing it down and building through the draft makes the most sense. Trade Levine and DeRozan and anyone else for picks.

Alas, the Bulls maybe the most profitable team in the NBA, so having a some-what competitive team under the salary cap makes the most business sense.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 02, 2022, 10:46:14 AM
Good points. I don't think any decent free agent would come to the Bulls. Why would they? There is no good young players and Levine and DeRozan suck up all the shots. In my opinion, there is no decent foundation for success so tearing it down and building through the draft makes the most sense. Trade Levine and DeRozan and anyone else for picks.

Alas, the Bulls maybe the most profitable team in the NBA, so having a some-what competitive team under the salary cap makes the most business sense.

It's just really tough because there are fewer than 10 guys you can build a title team around.  For example, Donavan Mitchell might be available.  Would you go after him?  Maybe roll the dice and offer a crap-load for Kawhi?  The depth in the NBA is really quite strong now in both conferences.  Could they offer some package to the Nets for KD?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 02, 2022, 12:25:47 PM
Trying to come up with an argument for Durant being top 10 all time.and drawing blanks..
25th career win shares
22nd career playoff win shares
14th career win shares per 48
16th career playoff win shares per 48
15th career VORP
9th career playoff VORP
Top 3 players in similarity score: Garnett, Barkley, Erving.
1 MVP (15 players have 2+)
2 rings on stacked teams.
Great player and obvious first-ballot HOF. Great case for top 20. Not so much top 10.


Cool. He’s in my top ten.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 02, 2022, 12:44:00 PM
It's just really tough because there are fewer than 10 guys you can build a title team around.  For example, Donavan Mitchell might be available.  Would you go after him?  Maybe roll the dice and offer a crap-load for Kawhi?  The depth in the NBA is really quite strong now in both conferences.  Could they offer some package to the Nets for KD?
Well, Mitchell would be a upgrade over anything they have but I don't see why he'd come to the Bulls. There a bunch of teams he can go to and win 50 games a loose in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Kawhi, is past his prime, oft injured and moody. Pass.
KD would be very interesting. Depending on what you'd have to give up, that would be fun. Obviously, any Bulls player is tradable but would you have to gut the team, thus making the whole trade moot. I'd give up Levine and DeRozan for KD. Anything more might be too much. Oh, and I don't think the Nets would be happy with DeRosan and Levine for KD but it's fun to dream.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 04, 2022, 03:11:31 PM
then why comment at all...as i said earlier-self discipline ain't in your repertoire. 

  name dropping can be really cool especially how doc got to know keevon as a young kid.  being able to watch someone grow and develop into the people they have become.  hards hates this because he doesn't know anyone and hasn't become anything in his own life except a scoop nerd

I'm sure 4elder is happy to have you stand up for him with such an elegant and totally not looney attempt at a rebuttal on his behalf.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 04, 2022, 05:07:32 PM
Pakuni didn’t say he was overrated. I did.

He is a great player. Also a high volume shooter and I think those guys are rated higher than they should be.

Here is something ground breaking for you.

Durant shoots a lot, because hes really really good.

His career eFG% sh its on Kobe. A true volume shooter

Its also better than MJ, Lebron, Magic.

Using high volume shooter as a way to overrate Durant is a really bad hill to die on
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 04, 2022, 06:42:18 PM
Here is something ground breaking for you.

Durant shoots a lot, because hes really really good.

His career eFG% sh its on Kobe. A true volume shooter

Its also better than MJ, Lebron, Magic.

Using high volume shooter as a way to overrate Durant is a really bad hill to die on

Actually, I said he is a GREAT player - not a good one.

His eFG% is better than a stiff like Jordan. Proves Durant is the greatest of all time.  ::)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 04, 2022, 07:31:42 PM
Actually, I said he is a GREAT player - not a good one.

His eFG% is better than a stiff like Jordan. Proves Durant is the greatest of all time.  ::)

He’s much closer to the GOAT than he is to someone who is overrated.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 04, 2022, 10:55:02 PM
He’s much closer to the GOAT than he is to someone who is overrated.

I disagree.

And he is not even in the same universe as guys like MJ, Kareem, or Lebron.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 04, 2022, 11:04:28 PM
I disagree.

And he is not even in the same universe as guys like MJ, Kareem, or Lebron.

LBJ got his first two rings by joining up with 2 other top 10 players in the NBA/future first ballot Hall of Famers. He also “quits” everywhere he goes (by your definition) and latches on to the younger talent ready to make a run at a title.

KD is without a doubt in the same “universe” as LBJ. You’re trying to tarnish KD’s legacy because the Warriors won before and after KD, but the Cavs beat the Warriors before KD arrived and then KD broke the will of LBJ and Kyrie in Cleveland and forced LBJ to “quit” on the Cavs…again.

Quit the double standards.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on July 05, 2022, 12:15:21 AM
LBJ got his first two rings by joining up with 2 other top 10 players in the NBA/future first ballot Hall of Famers. He also “quits” everywhere he goes (by your definition) and latches on to the younger talent ready to make a run at a title.

KD is without a doubt in the same “universe” as LBJ. You’re trying to tarnish KD’s legacy because the Warriors won before and after KD, but the Cavs beat the Warriors before KD arrived and then KD broke the will of LBJ and Kyrie in Cleveland and forced LBJ to “quit” on the Cavs…again.

Quit the double standards.

I love KD, I'm not sure he is top 10.

He's the 3rd best SF of all time. But where he falls in the 8-20 range all time all positions is debatable.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 05, 2022, 02:28:48 PM
LBJ got his first two rings by joining up with 2 other top 10 players in the NBA/future first ballot Hall of Famers. He also “quits” everywhere he goes (by your definition) and latches on to the younger talent ready to make a run at a title.

KD is without a doubt in the same “universe” as LBJ. You’re trying to tarnish KD’s legacy because the Warriors won before and after KD, but the Cavs beat the Warriors before KD arrived and then KD broke the will of LBJ and Kyrie in Cleveland and forced LBJ to “quit” on the Cavs…again.

Quit the double standards.

If calling him a great player tarnishes his legacy, then I am guilty.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 05, 2022, 10:53:54 PM
If calling him a great player tarnishes his legacy, then I am guilty.

Spend pages of the thread bashing every accomplishment he’s achieved (ahh he just joined a superteam so his rings don’t count. Ahh he’s a volume scorer so his scoring doesn’t count. Ahh he quits every time something bad happens) but hey I called him great so you can’t tell me I’m wrong!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 05, 2022, 11:04:02 PM
Spend pages of the thread bashing every accomplishment he’s achieved (ahh he just joined a superteam so his rings don’t count. Ahh he’s a volume scorer so his scoring doesn’t count. Ahh he quits every time something bad happens) but hey I called him great so you can’t tell me I’m wrong!

Wow. You fabricated a lot in that post.

You're better off just bashing LeBron and then letting the grownups talk NBA.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 05, 2022, 11:19:46 PM
Wow. You fabricated a lot in that post.

You're better off just bashing LeBron and then letting the grownups talk NBA.

Says the guy who is literally the only person on the side that you’re on.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 06, 2022, 10:00:21 AM
I think they had to sign Lavine.  There's no guarantee they can get a big-time free agent.  As far as tearing it down I think we need to see this team for a prolonged stretch with Lonzo Ball.  The Bulls are super high on Patrick Williams.  If he's a potential all-star they have a pretty formidable rotation.   To your point though you have to wonder if Lavine and DeRozan are good enough to get this team to a ECF let alone a title?  If they're not who could they realistically go after?


Not only that, but they made a pretty big leap to a six seed last year after being outside the playoffs for years. They had to invest in Levine after brining in DeRozan last year. Plus as you said, a healthy Ball, and a solid back up PG in Dragic, and I can see them surprising some people.

A lot of people said the Celtics should have torn it down after the last couple of seasons, but their core grew together and made the Finals. I doubt the Bulls will do that, but that path is much more clear than tearing it down now.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 07, 2022, 05:35:48 PM
Ive watched a decent bit of NBA Summer League.  Everyone's favorite overrated Pirate, Myles Powell, is playing for the Sixers team.  Why hasn't he gotten as much run as, say, Markus?  Why hasn't he stuck at all?  Why has he only averaged a point on miserable sub 30%/20% shooting splits?  Cause he's the same chucker bum he was towards the end of his Seton Hall career, but against better talent.  The number of terrible shots Ive seen him take in like 5 min of gametime Ive actually watched is hilarious.

My favorite was a stepback 3...that he stepped half a foot over the sideline as he got it off.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 07, 2022, 07:06:29 PM
Ive watched a decent bit of NBA Summer League.  Everyone's favorite overrated Pirate, Myles Powell, is playing for the Sixers team.  Why hasn't he gotten as much run as, say, Markus?  Why hasn't he stuck at all?  Why has he only averaged a point on miserable sub 30%/20% shooting splits?  Cause he's the same chucker bum he was towards the end of his Seton Hall career, but against better talent.  The number of terrible shots Ive seen him take in like 5 min of gametime Ive actually watched is hilarious.

My favorite was a stepback 3...that he stepped half a foot over the sideline as he got it off.

LOL.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 07, 2022, 08:36:22 PM
It's SL but Banchero and Smith are on at the top of the hour.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on July 07, 2022, 09:38:54 PM
Can anyone explain to me why the Nets would even remotely consider trading Kyrie and Curry for Westbrook, like a lot of the rumor mill is pushing. Makes absolutely no sense to trade Kyrie for Westbrook, makes even less sense to throw in another quality player like Curry.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 07, 2022, 09:46:32 PM
Can anyone explain to me why the Nets would even remotely consider trading Kyrie and Curry for Westbrook, like a lot of the rumor mill is pushing. Makes absolutely no sense to trade Kyrie for Westbrook, makes even less sense to throw in another quality player like Curry.

if that's the proposed trade it doesn't make any sense at all and is more about simply getting rid of Kyrie and receiving something in return.  My guess is the Nets aren't getting a ton of phone calls about Kyrie. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: BM1090 on July 07, 2022, 09:50:12 PM
Westbrook’s expiring contract is valuable. Beyond that, no idea.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 07, 2022, 09:52:23 PM
Westbrook’s expiring contract is valuable. Beyond that, no idea.

I don't think Westbrook is capable of changing his game but your point is well taken.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on July 07, 2022, 09:54:06 PM
Westbrook’s expiring contract is valuable. Beyond that, no idea.

That might be part of it, I really don't understand why an expiring $47.1M contract that puts you in the luxury tax has any value.

I will readily admit I do not understand much of the NBA trade intricacies.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 07, 2022, 10:09:10 PM
How heavy can Holmgren get?  I may be wrong about the guy.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on July 08, 2022, 08:05:07 AM
My way too early prediction: Jaden Ivey will be Rookie of the Year, by a landslide.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 09, 2022, 08:12:18 PM
My way too early prediction: Jaden Ivey will be Rookie of the Year, by a landslide.

Not a bad call.  The Wizards may be concerned about their lottery pick?  Or is the box score wrong?  :)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on July 09, 2022, 08:48:52 PM
My way too early prediction: Jaden Ivey will be Rookie of the Year, by a landslide.

Would not surprise me at all.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 10, 2022, 10:52:53 AM
Can anyone explain to me why the Nets would even remotely consider trading Kyrie and Curry for Westbrook, like a lot of the rumor mill is pushing. Makes absolutely no sense to trade Kyrie for Westbrook, makes even less sense to throw in another quality player like Curry.
Because it's the Lakers and their fans. If you listen to Laker fans, Kyrie, Giannis, Steph Curry and 4 other All-Stars are headed to LA. Just like the Cowboy predictions to win the Super Bowl the last 25 years.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 10, 2022, 12:15:32 PM
My way too early prediction: Jaden Ivey will be Rookie of the Year, by a landslide.

I don't agree. I think one of the top 3 picks will win - probably Holmgren if he stays healthy.

Ivey won't get all those easy drives to the hoop against real NBA defenses.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 10, 2022, 04:38:46 PM
JlLew is on ESPN2 right now.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 10, 2022, 07:23:02 PM
I don't agree. I think one of the top 3 picks will win - probably Holmgren if he stays healthy.

Ivey won't get all those easy drives to the hoop against real NBA defenses.

I would actually say Banchero.  I think his ceiling may be the lowest of the top 3, but he's easily the most NBA ready right now.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 10, 2022, 07:40:40 PM
I would actually say Banchero.  I think his ceiling may be the lowest of the top 3, but he's easily the most NBA ready right now.


He is.

But, I just think that Holmgren is a unicorn. A step up to the NBA might cause some problems, but he is still my pick with Banchero 2nd.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 10, 2022, 07:41:26 PM
My way too early prediction: Jaden Ivey will be Rookie of the Year, by a landslide.

  put me down for this...he and ja are 2 i would love to have on my team
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 10, 2022, 07:48:06 PM
My take is Banchero is the favorite.  I also think Benedict Mathurin is a bit under the radar.  I have little confidence Johnny Davis will be in the running for ROY.   :)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 10, 2022, 07:50:42 PM
I'm sure I don't have to remind anyone that in SL none of these guys are playing against a lot of rotational NBA players.  That said I've liked what I have seen from the the top 6 draft picks. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 11, 2022, 10:24:44 AM

Not only that, but they made a pretty big leap to a six seed last year after being outside the playoffs for years. They had to invest in Levine after brining in DeRozan last year. Plus as you said, a healthy Ball, and a solid back up PG in Dragic, and I can see them surprising some people.

A lot of people said the Celtics should have torn it down after the last couple of seasons, but their core grew together and made the Finals. I doubt the Bulls will do that, but that path is much more clear than tearing it down now.
I follow the logic. But what is the ceiling for the Bulls in the next 2-3 years? Maybe 50 wins and maybe 2nd round of the playoffs. No top line FA is going to join this group and the window is very narrow with DaRozan and Lavine. If they were interested in winning at the highest level (which I doubt since they make a ton of money) the plans should be tear down, draft choices, rebuild.

Ball could be a game changer but he's as reliable as Ralph Sampson. Not his fault but he has and established history of injuries and he's only getting older.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 11, 2022, 10:48:45 AM
I follow the logic. But what is the ceiling for the Bulls in the next 2-3 years? Maybe 50 wins and maybe 2nd round of the playoffs. No top line FA is going to join this group and the window is very narrow with DaRozan and Lavine. If they were interested in winning at the highest level (which I doubt since they make a ton of money) the plans should be tear down, draft choices, rebuild.

Ball could be a game changer but he's as reliable as Ralph Sampson. Not his fault but he has and established history of injuries and he's only getting older.


You are probably right on their ceiling but who knows? Building a NBA team is hard. In the last 20 seasons, only a third of the league has won a championship! If you continuously pull the plug on rebuilds before you let them play out, you aren't going anywhere.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on July 11, 2022, 11:03:09 AM

You are probably right on their ceiling but who knows? Building a NBA team is hard. In the last 20 seasons, only a third of the league has won a championship! If you continuously pull the plug on rebuilds before you let them play out, you aren't going anywhere.

Yeah, plus Chicago will always be attractive to marquee free agents.  This isn't Milwaukee or Oklahoma City that need to cycle through tearing it down then drafting the highest upside players available in hopes of hitting the jackpot and bringing in a star.  If Chicago keeps good complementary pieces around on palatable contracts, they will always be in the running as stars become FAs or demand trades.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 11, 2022, 11:15:22 AM

You are probably right on their ceiling but who knows? Building a NBA team is hard. In the last 20 seasons, only a third of the league has won a championship! If you continuously pull the plug on rebuilds before you let them play out, you aren't going anywhere.
Yes but how has the plug in good players and adding decent FAs for Chicago and New York in the past 25 years? I'd say if you go with that plan, "you aren't going anywhere". If DeRozan and Lavine were 25, I'd say stay the course, but this seems to be a certain plan of early playoff exits and draft picks between 18 to 23. We've seen Utah run that plan for the past 5 years. Not pretty.

Oh well, the Bulls will make bank and in the end, that is the real goal.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 11, 2022, 12:24:28 PM
Yes but how has the plug in good players and adding decent FAs for Chicago and New York in the past 25 years? I'd say if you go with that plan, "you aren't going anywhere". If DeRozan and Lavine were 25, I'd say stay the course, but this seems to be a certain plan of early playoff exits and draft picks between 18 to 23. We've seen Utah run that plan for the past 5 years. Not pretty.

Oh well, the Bulls will make bank and in the end, that is the real goal.

I think the main issue with the Bulls was they had a horrific front office and since Rose, the only very good to great player they drafted in the first round was Jimmy, and that was wrong time and place.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 11, 2022, 08:21:17 PM
Holmgren looks terrific....but he's playing against scrubs.  Disappointing we couldn't see he and Banchero go at it.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 11, 2022, 08:54:03 PM
Mamu killin' it for the Buckaroos.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 12, 2022, 07:19:41 AM
Apparently MarJon Beauchamp looks pretty good for the Bucks so far. But if there is any indication of the quality of competition, Mamu has been filling up the the boxscore after two games.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 12, 2022, 08:15:26 AM
Apparently MarJon Beauchamp looks pretty good for the Bucks so far. But if there is any indication of the quality of competition, Mamu has been filling up the the boxscore after two games.

He’s scored it okay in the limited minutes he’s gotten in the regular season. Couldn’t guard a BE player still though.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on July 13, 2022, 01:12:06 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/adam-silver-in-favor-of-lowering-nba-age-limit-from-19-to-18-years-old-its-the-right-thing-to-do/#:~:text=While%20speaking%20at%20his%20annual,the%20right%20thing%20to%20do.%22

Silver says he wants to drop the age limit back down to 18 during the next CBA.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 13, 2022, 02:23:09 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/adam-silver-in-favor-of-lowering-nba-age-limit-from-19-to-18-years-old-its-the-right-thing-to-do/#:~:text=While%20speaking%20at%20his%20annual,the%20right%20thing%20to%20do.%22

Silver says he wants to drop the age limit back down to 18 during the next CBA.

Good. Being forced to pretend to go to college for 5-6 months is stoopid.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 13, 2022, 04:39:09 PM
Speaking of stupid:  "Rasheed Wallace would be better than Giannis today".  Oh.... okay Mr. Iguodala.  Worst hoops take ever? 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 13, 2022, 05:51:44 PM
Speaking of stupid:  "Rasheed Wallace would be better than Giannis today".  Oh.... okay Mr. Iguodala.  Worst hoops take ever?

Obviously beyond belief. Wallace was just a guy in the NBA. Nothing special in any way. Certainly not a top 100 or top 200 guy. Maybe not top 300. Maybe not top 400. Just a guy. Every team in the NBA has at least one guy better than him. Some have 2 or 3.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 13, 2022, 06:33:49 PM
Obviously beyond belief. Wallace was just a guy in the NBA. Nothing special in any way. Certainly not a top 100 or top 200 guy. Maybe not top 300. Maybe not top 400. Just a guy. Every team in the NBA has at least one guy better than him. Some have 2 or 3.

More bad takes.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 13, 2022, 07:27:54 PM
Obviously beyond belief. Wallace was just a guy in the NBA. Nothing special in any way. Certainly not a top 100 or top 200 guy. Maybe not top 300. Maybe not top 400. Just a guy. Every team in the NBA has at least one guy better than him. Some have 2 or 3.

Hold up a sec.....are you saying he wasn't a top 200 guy in his era or all-time?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 13, 2022, 07:33:25 PM
Obviously beyond belief. Wallace was just a guy in the NBA. Nothing special in any way. Certainly not a top 100 or top 200 guy. Maybe not top 300. Maybe not top 400. Just a guy. Every team in the NBA has at least one guy better than him. Some have 2 or 3.

I mean, he was a four time all star.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 13, 2022, 09:24:20 PM
I mean, he was a four time all star.

My hyperbole was a lot less than Iguadala’s hyperbole.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 14, 2022, 06:05:00 AM
Obviously beyond belief. Wallace was just a guy in the NBA. Nothing special in any way. Certainly not a top 100 or top 200 guy. Maybe not top 300. Maybe not top 400. Just a guy. Every team in the NBA has at least one guy better than him. Some have 2 or 3.

oof
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 14, 2022, 09:31:13 AM
oof

Are you saying Wallace was closer to Giannis as a player than to being just a guy?

He was actually and statistically closer to Taj Gibson than Giannis. No hyperbole.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 14, 2022, 09:36:43 AM
Are you saying Wallace was closer to Giannis as a player than to being just a guy?

He was actually and statistically closer to Taj Gibson than Giannis. No hyperbole.

I'm just saying that you dropped an ice cold take.  Rasheed Wallace was never ever 'just a guy'.  Which is what you said.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 14, 2022, 10:06:32 AM
Are you saying Wallace was closer to Giannis as a player than to being just a guy?

He was actually and statistically closer to Taj Gibson than Giannis. No hyperbole.

The Giannis comparison is extreme, of course, but he was nowhere near Taj Gibson.  But thats not what you said.  You said he was "nothing special" and "just a guy".  Now you're changing to that he was closer to that than Giannis.

In his prime in Portland, he was averaging 19 and 8...but on a team that averaged 95 points.  He was also well before his time stepping out and hitting 3s at a pretty good rate despite being 6'10.

He wasn't All-NBA because he played the same position at the same time as HOFers like Duncan, KG, Webber, and Ben Wallace.  But none of that is a knock on Sheed.  He was an absolute game changer force of nature at his peak.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 14, 2022, 11:32:03 AM
In Jockey's defense he admitted to being hyperbolic to make a point.  The truth is suggesting Rasheed Wallace would be  better, as good, or anywhere near the level of Giannis, is asinine and ludicrous.  Particularly from a guy who knows full fell how good both players are/were.  Not to mention the fact that their games are completely different.  It's actually a very insulting comment by Iguodala and we're all dumber from having read or heard it.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 14, 2022, 11:50:30 AM
The Giannis comparison is extreme, of course, but he was nowhere near Taj Gibson.  But thats not what you said.  You said he was "nothing special" and "just a guy".  Now you're changing to that he was closer to that than Giannis.




Per 36 minutes: Gibson 13.2 Pts.   9 rebounds
Per 36 minutes: Wallace 13.4 Pts   7.4 rebounds.
Per 36 minutes: Giannis 24.1 Pts    10.4 rebounds


eFG% - advantage Gibson over Wallace
Defense - advantage Gibson over Wallace

Despite the numbers advantage for Gibson, yes Wallace was a better player - at one point in his career, much better. He could take over a game. Gibson couldn't.

But my point stands. Wallace is way closer to just a guy than he is to Giannis. And I still don't think he was anything special. His actual results never lived up to what his talents indicated he could be.


If you go back to college?
Wallace: 13 Pts 7.4 Reb. 
Justin Lewis: 13.2 Pts. 6.9 Reb.

Despite the numbers Wallace was the better player. By quite a bit. That's consensus, not just my opinion. But he was never special enough where he should be compared to Giannis.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 14, 2022, 01:43:47 PM
Per 36 minutes: Gibson 13.2 Pts.   9 rebounds
Per 36 minutes: Wallace 13.4 Pts   7.4 rebounds.
Per 36 minutes: Giannis 24.1 Pts    10.4 rebounds


eFG% - advantage Gibson over Wallace
Defense - advantage Gibson over Wallace

Despite the numbers advantage for Gibson, yes Wallace was a better player - at one point in his career, much better. He could take over a game. Gibson couldn't.

But my point stands. Wallace is way closer to just a guy than he is to Giannis. And I still don't think he was anything special. His actual results never lived up to what his talents indicated he could be.


If you go back to college?
Wallace: 13 Pts 7.4 Reb. 
Justin Lewis: 13.2 Pts. 6.9 Reb.

Despite the numbers Wallace was the better player. By quite a bit. That's consensus, not just my opinion. But he was never special enough where he should be compared to Giannis.

Again, super cold take.  Wallace is on the edge of being a HOF guy.  Might never make it, but will always be in the conversation.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 14, 2022, 02:35:33 PM
Again, super cold take.  Wallace is on the edge of being a HOF guy.  Might never make it, but will always be in the conversation.

Harold Baines.
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Post by: brewcity77 on July 14, 2022, 03:38:53 PM
I mean, he was a four time all star.

I did think it was a bit of hyperbole, but there were 159 players with more than that. Wallace is one of 203 players with 4+ appearances, so there's an argument that he could be outside the top-200, especially as some of the guys with four or more are Jokic, Kemba, Booker, Doncic, Middleton, Mitchell, and Towns that still have some years to go and could pass him.

Wallace was a good player, but he'll never be in the same conversations as Giannis.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on July 14, 2022, 03:50:44 PM
I did think it was a bit of hyperbole, but there were 159 players with more than that. Wallace is one of 203 players with 4+ appearances, so there's an argument that he could be outside the top-200, especially as some of the guys with four or more are Jokic, Kemba, Booker, Doncic, Middleton, Mitchell, and Towns that still have some years to go and could pass him.

Wallace was a good player, but he'll never be in the same conversations as Giannis.
Well, the argument that Jockey made was that he was just a guy. Many lists have him at or near the top 25 all time power forwards. Today's game suits his offensive abilities.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 14, 2022, 04:31:51 PM
Well, the argument that Jockey made was that he was just a guy. Many lists have him at or near the top 25 all time power forwards. Today's game suits his offensive abilities.

Yep.  Not to mention all the talk of "how would X player fair in today's game" and we talk about old greats would have adapted.  Sheed wouldn't have had to attempt.  He would have been an incredible stretch 4 playing the same way.

Of course he's not Giannis and never would be.  But he was never just a guy
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Post by: Jockey on July 14, 2022, 04:42:09 PM
Yep.  Not to mention all the talk of "how would X player fair in today's game" and we talk about old greats would have adapted.  Sheed wouldn't have had to attempt.  He would have been an incredible stretch 4 playing the same way.

Of course he's not Giannis and never would be.  But he was never just a guy

He was a bad 3 pt. shooter.

I said he was just a guy. In other words a 12-14 Pt and 6-7 rebound guy. A decent enough player, but certainly not great.

Jae Crowder has been a better scorer in his career per 36 min. than Wallace. And while Jae should be in the MU HoF, I doubt he will ever get a single vote for the Basketball Hall of Fame. That is what I mean by 'just a guy'. A good player who is not special.

I certainly did not call him a replacement level player.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 14, 2022, 05:39:14 PM
He was a bad 3 pt. shooter.

I said he was just a guy. In other words a 12-14 Pt and 6-7 rebound guy. A decent enough player, but certainly not great.

Jae Crowder has been a better scorer in his career per 36 min. than Wallace. And while Jae should be in the MU HoF, I doubt he will ever get a single vote for the Basketball Hall of Fame. That is what I mean by 'just a guy'. A good player who is not special.

I certainly did not call him a replacement level player.

He averaged 14.4 and 6.7 for his career.  And that includes a number of declining years on the end of his career.  Thats like summing up Gary Payton's career based on his time in Boston, Miami, and LA.

And "bad 3 pt shooter"?  Great, here we go with hyperbole again.  He was a career 34% 3pt shooter.  He shot around 36% for good chunks of his prime, in a very different NBA shooting era.  Guys with roughly 36% career 3P percentages include Kyle Lowery, Chris Paul and Eric Gordon, none of whom are "bad 3pt shooters".  He wasn't Peja Stojaković, but stop acting like he was some brick layer just cause you think he was a mediocre pro.

But you'll continue to cherry pick stats (choosing a guy who was never even a top 3 option on his team/playing lesser minutes in a complementary role to compare to a star/focal point of an offense) to die on this hill that nobody else resides on.  So enough to let it be
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 14, 2022, 05:39:34 PM
Harold Baines.
I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 14, 2022, 05:48:03 PM
He averaged 14.4 and 6.7 for his career.  And that includes a number of declining years on the end of his career.  Thats like summing up Gary Payton's career based on his time in Boston, Miami, and LA.

And "bad 3 pt shooter"?  Great, here we go with hyperbole again.  He was a career 34% 3pt shooter.  He shot around 36% for good chunks of his prime, in a very different NBA shooting era.  Guys with roughly 36% career 3P percentages include Kyle Lowery, Chris Paul and Eric Gordon, none of whom are "bad 3pt shooters".  He wasn't Peja Stojaković, but stop acting like he was some brick layer just cause you think he was a mediocre pro.

But you'll continue to cherry pick stats (choosing a guy who was never even a top 3 option on his team/playing lesser minutes in a complementary role to compare to a star/focal point of an offense) to die on this hill that nobody else resides on.  So enough to let it be

Exactly. Comparing Rasheed Wallace’s college stats to Justin Lewis’s, lol.

Throwing out points per 36 to current players. How many team points were being scored then vs. now?

Some really bad takes and then some goalpost shifting. It’s fun.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 14, 2022, 09:22:16 PM
Look, Wallace was a good player. Could even call him a very good bordering on great player during his prime.

But what set Jockey off was Iguodala comparing him to Giannis, who will be a first-ballot HoFer and could end up being a top-25 all-time player.

So Jockey is probably over the top in his criticism of Wallace ... but he's just some anonymous interwebs guy. A respected NBA pro actually thought comparing Sheed favorably to Giannis was a great take. Iggy deserves criticism for a dopey-arse take.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 14, 2022, 09:32:47 PM
Exactly. Comparing Rasheed Wallace’s college stats to Justin Lewis’s, lol.

Throwing out points per 36 to current players. How many team points were being scored then vs. now?

Some really bad takes and then some goalpost shifting. It’s fun.

Wondering what was taking so long for you to pipe in with your 'take'.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2022, 09:37:56 PM
Sheed probably fits the modern NBA better than when he played.  That said, he lacks what makes Giannis so special and that’s the extra drive the great ones have. 

His biggest enemy was always himself.  Great talent, great player, great career but always felt like he could have been more
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 14, 2022, 09:42:57 PM
Look, Wallace was a good player. Could even call him a very good bordering on great player during his prime.

But what set Jockey off was Iguodala comparing him to Giannis, who will be a first-ballot HoFer and could end up being a top-25 all-time player.

So Jockey is probably over the top in his criticism of Wallace ... but he's just some anonymous interwebs guy. A respected NBA pro actually thought comparing Sheed favorably to Giannis was a great take. Iggy deserves criticism for a dopey-arse take.

Which I literally said. "My hyperbole was a lot less than Iguadala’s hyperbole."

None of these resident geniuses took issue with Iguadala's statement which says a lot except for maybe Wags (i'm too lazy to scroll back).

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 15, 2022, 04:12:13 AM
Look, Wallace was a good player. Could even call him a very good bordering on great player during his prime.

But what set Jockey off was Iguodala comparing him to Giannis, who will be a first-ballot HoFer and could end up being a top-25 all-time player.

So Jockey is probably over the top in his criticism of Wallace ... but he's just some anonymous interwebs guy. A respected NBA pro actually thought comparing Sheed favorably to Giannis was a great take. Iggy deserves criticism for a dopey-arse take.

Thanks
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 15, 2022, 05:57:31 AM
Look, Wallace was a good player. Could even call him a very good bordering on great player during his prime.

But what set Jockey off was Iguodala comparing him to Giannis, who will be a first-ballot HoFer and could end up being a top-25 all-time player.

So Jockey is probably over the top in his criticism of Wallace ... but he's just some anonymous interwebs guy. A respected NBA pro actually thought comparing Sheed favorably to Giannis was a great take. Iggy deserves criticism for a dopey-arse take.

Great, lemme go argue with Iguodala on a message board about his poor take.

I think everyone identified the mistake both guys made, but no one is trying to litigate how dumb Iguodala's was.

A very simple, "I guess I didn't know enough about Rasheed Wallace's career" probably would have ended this about 20 posts ago.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 15, 2022, 07:30:59 AM
Great, lemme go argue with Iguodala on a message board about his poor take.

I think everyone identified the mistake both guys made, but no one is trying to litigate how dumb Iguodala's was.

A very simple, "I guess I didn't know enough about Rasheed Wallace's career" probably would have ended this about 20 posts ago.

So no one "litigated" how dumb Iguodala’s take was because you said so?  I "litigated it" before MU 82 and it led to a discussion of how good Rasheed Wallace was in his era and how stupid Iggy's comments were.  You're lecturing for no reason and adding a post to a thread which you claim should have been terminated.  I find this a little bizarre. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 15, 2022, 07:34:49 AM
So no one "litigated" how dumb Iguodala’s take was because you said so?  I "litigated it" before MU 82 and it led to a discussion of how good Rasheed Wallace was in his era and how stupid Iggy's comments were.  You're lecturing for no reason and adding a post to a thread which you claim should have been terminated.  I find this a little bizarre.

You're misunderstanding.  No one disagreed around here when Iguodala was called an idiot.

People disagreed when Rasheed Wallace was called 'just a guy'.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 15, 2022, 07:48:23 AM
You're misunderstanding.  No one disagreed around here when Iguodala was called an idiot.

People disagreed when Rasheed Wallace was called 'just a guy'.

Yes.  But Jockey admitted he was being hyperbolic to amplify his point.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 15, 2022, 07:53:28 AM
Yes.  But Jockey admitted he was being hyperbolic to amplify his point.


 ::) ::) ::)  Sure.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 15, 2022, 07:53:57 AM
Yes.  But Jockey admitted he was being hyperbolic to amplify his point.

That's what people do instead of saying they made a mistake.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 15, 2022, 07:59:14 AM
That's what people do instead of saying they made a mistake.

Everyone makes mistakes.  I think he was trying to be hyperbolic but the execution could have fallen a bit flat.  Clearly Wallace was a solid player. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 15, 2022, 08:07:51 AM
Everyone makes mistakes.  I think he was trying to be hyperbolic but the execution could have fallen a bit flat.  Clearly Wallace was a solid player.

Right, and I don't care that he made a mistake.  At all.  I make them all the time. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 15, 2022, 09:08:23 AM
Damn, I love Scoop.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 15, 2022, 12:52:00 PM
Great, lemme go argue with Iguodala on a message board about his poor take.

I think everyone identified the mistake both guys made, but no one is trying to litigate how dumb Iguodala's was.

A very simple, "I guess I didn't know enough about Rasheed Wallace's career" probably would have ended this about 20 posts ago.

This post is why hyperbole is such a fun tool.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 15, 2022, 01:15:57 PM
This post is why hyperbole is such a fun tool.

Got it, so the next time I'm clearly wrong I'll just say, "I was being hyperbolic!" and you'll just have to accept it.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on July 15, 2022, 01:39:20 PM
Right, and I don't care that he made a mistake.  At all.  I make them all the time.
Your latest being spending time trying to convince Jockey to admit he was clueless about Rasheed Wallace.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 15, 2022, 01:53:12 PM
Your latest being spending time trying to convince Jockey to admit he was clueless about Rasheed Wallace.

(https://i.giphy.com/media/5wWf7GR2nhgamhRnEuA/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on July 15, 2022, 02:18:16 PM
Your latest being spending time trying to convince Jockey to admit he was clueless about Rasheed Wallace.

But you don't understand, someone was wrong on the internet.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on July 15, 2022, 02:45:09 PM
But you don't understand, someone was wrongbeing hyperbolic on the internet.
FIFY
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 15, 2022, 04:47:26 PM
I know he's an amusing story, but I'm shocked the Tacko Fall experiment is still going on in Summer League.  He's now in his late 20s, still has zero agility or quickness, and his offense hasn't gotten even remotely better.  If he holds the ball for more than a second below his shoulders, its immediately swiped away.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 16, 2022, 12:04:40 PM
This post is why hyperbole is such a fun tool.

Hyperbole is the greatest thing in the history of the universe!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 16, 2022, 12:10:54 PM
Hyperbole is the greatest thing in the history of the universe!

You needed at least one "literally" in there.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 16, 2022, 12:56:04 PM
You needed at least one "literally" in there.

But..., The definition of literally is no longer the literal definition of literally.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on July 16, 2022, 04:11:27 PM
But..., The definition of literally is no longer the literal definition of literally.

This conversation is LITERALLY killing me. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 16, 2022, 04:37:39 PM
This conversation is LITERALLY killing me.

That, my friend, is literally an accepted use of literally.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 19, 2022, 11:10:05 PM
I'm starting to doubt that Durant can actually be traded from Brooklyn. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on July 20, 2022, 08:20:52 AM
Happy 7/20 to all who celebrate.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 20, 2022, 08:25:16 AM
U.S. moonlandin', aina?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on July 20, 2022, 08:28:14 AM
U.S. moonlandin', aina?

Peddle his azz ring, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 08:29:40 AM
Peddle his azz ring, hey?

Look at how this season ended.  Giannis is clearly a one-ring player.  Bring Sam home.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 20, 2022, 03:06:10 PM
Who replaces Barkley if he leaves TNT for LIV Golf?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 20, 2022, 03:22:06 PM
#3, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 03:25:52 PM
Who replaces Barkley if he leaves TNT for LIV Golf?

Joey Hauser
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on July 20, 2022, 03:34:19 PM
rocket
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 03:55:51 PM
rocket

I’d watch but replace The Jet with Joy Behar
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 21, 2022, 07:54:11 AM
Smart move by Harden. Accept "only" $33M guaranteed for the upcoming season and look like an unselfish, team-first guy for doing it.

EDIT:

And speaking of the 76ers, they are planning a new arena to open in a few years. It would be entirely privately funded, which is a good thing.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 25, 2022, 07:46:19 AM
The Athletic says the Celtics have emerged as a possible landing spot for Durant ...

After the Phoenix Suns matched Indiana’s $133 million maximum offer sheet to Deandre Ayton, the list of suitors for Durant became clearer. With Ayton currently unable to be traded, the Suns appear to be all but eliminated from the Durant sweepstakes. The Toronto Raptors and Miami Heat remain among the teams in pursuit — and the Boston Celtics recently offered a package around one-time All-Star Jaylen Brown for Durant and have emerged as a real threat to acquire Durant, league sources tell The Athletic.

The Celtics offered Brown, guard Derrick White and a draft pick to the Nets for Durant, sources said. The proposal was rejected, and Brooklyn has asked Boston — in any proposal — to include Brown, Defensive Player of the Year Marcus Smart, draft picks and potentially one more rotation player, those sources added. Currently, the Celtics are less inclined to include Smart along with multiple other player or pick assets, but the franchise is mulling over next steps on how to approach discussions.


Obviously, the Celtics couldn't have thought that the Nets would settle only for Brown, White and a draft pick. And it seems like the Nets have countered by asking for the world, which isn't surprising. So it will be interesting to see where this goes.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 25, 2022, 07:47:00 AM
The Athletic says the Celtics have emerged as a possible landing spot for Durant ...

After the Phoenix Suns matched Indiana’s $133 million maximum offer sheet to Deandre Ayton, the list of suitors for Durant became clearer. With Ayton currently unable to be traded, the Suns appear to be all but eliminated from the Durant sweepstakes. The Toronto Raptors and Miami Heat remain among the teams in pursuit — and the Boston Celtics recently offered a package around one-time All-Star Jaylen Brown for Durant and have emerged as a real threat to acquire Durant, league sources tell The Athletic.

The Celtics offered Brown, guard Derrick White and a draft pick to the Nets for Durant, sources said. The proposal was rejected, and Brooklyn has asked Boston — in any proposal — to include Brown, Defensive Player of the Year Marcus Smart, draft picks and potentially one more rotation player, those sources added. Currently, the Celtics are less inclined to include Smart along with multiple other player or pick assets, but the franchise is mulling over next steps on how to approach discussions.


Obviously, the Celtics couldn't have thought that the Nets would settle only for Brown, White and a draft pick. And it seems like the Nets have countered by asking for the world, which isn't surprising. So it will be interesting to see where this goes.

Doubt Durant can beat Sam out for minutes. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 25, 2022, 07:48:37 AM
If I'm the Nets, I am in no hurry to make a trade. He still has four years left on his deal.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 25, 2022, 08:34:38 AM
If I'm the Nets, I am in no hurry to make a trade. He still has four years left on his deal.

It's a real interesting situation. Do you make a high-priced but unhappy Durant (if he's unhappy) toil for you or maybe even hold out even as he only gets older? Would that increase or decrease his trade value?

I tend to agree with you, but I'm not sure how I define "in no hurry."
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 25, 2022, 09:22:41 AM
It's a real interesting situation. Do you make a high-priced but unhappy Durant (if he's unhappy) toil for you or maybe even hold out even as he only gets older? Would that increase or decrease his trade value?

I tend to agree with you, but I'm not sure how I define "in no hurry."

I think some sort of deal is going to be made.  The Nets aren't going to get a better package and Brown is young.  It would certainly make Boston the heavy favorites to win the 2023 title unless Smart has to be in the trade. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on July 25, 2022, 09:53:34 AM
I think some sort of deal is going to be made.  The Nets aren't going to get a better package and Brown is young.  It would certainly make Boston the heavy favorites to win the 2023 title unless Smart has to be in the trade.

Brooklyn should be insulted by the Celtics offer at this point. Brown isn't really that young - he'll be 26 when the season starts - and is a complimentary player, not the kind of guy you build a contender around. Brooklyn already is the likely loser in any Durant deal -  the team that gets the best player usually wins trades in the NBA - but they need to at least come out of the deal with two top-tier players and an early pick.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 25, 2022, 12:05:52 PM
"I strongly believe the 2004 Pistoms would beat any team, in any era, in a 7 Game series"  Kendrick Perkinns lead NBA analyst ESPN.

Where do we rank this among the most boneheaded comments in the history of NBA discussions?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on July 25, 2022, 12:22:21 PM
"I strongly believe the 2004 Pistoms would beat any team, in any era, in a 7 Game series"  Kendrick Perkinns lead NBA analyst ESPN.

Where do we rank this among the most boneheaded comments in the history of NBA discussions?

The same 2004 pistons who finished 7 games out of first place in their own division?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 25, 2022, 12:33:01 PM
I think some sort of deal is going to be made.  The Nets aren't going to get a better package and Brown is young.  It would certainly make Boston the heavy favorites to win the 2023 title unless Smart has to be in the trade.

The Nets can get a ton more than a 3rd/4th option (Brown), an OK bench player (White) and a bottom of round 1 draft pick (which is what the Celtics' pick would be). I get that you lowball your initial offer to offer plenty of room for negotiation, but I gotta agree with Sultan that this offer is ridiculous bordering on insulting.

I mean, Boston at least has to include superstar-to-be Sam Hauserwitzer, no?

"I strongly believe the 2004 Pistoms would beat any team, in any era, in a 7 Game series"  Kendrick Perkinns lead NBA analyst ESPN.

Where do we rank this among the most boneheaded comments in the history of NBA discussions?

Yes, I doubt most would agree that the 2004 Pistons would win any 7-game series against any team. They barely beat the Nets in the second round that year and most of the players on the Lakers team they beat in the Finals were old and fading. Either Jordan 3-peat team would have beaten them most (if not all) of the time, as would the 80s Lakers and Celtics teams. I doubt they even would have been favored over their Bad Boy forefathers of 1989 or 1990.

But it was just one talking head's sports opinion, so who really cares?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 25, 2022, 02:01:23 PM
The Nets can get a ton more than a 3rd/4th option (Brown), an OK bench player (White) and a bottom of round 1 draft pick (which is what the Celtics' pick would be). I get that you lowball your initial offer to offer plenty of room for negotiation, but I gotta agree with Sultan that this offer is ridiculous bordering on insulting.

I mean, Boston at least has to include superstar-to-be Sam Hauserwitzer, no?

Yes, I doubt most would agree that the 2004 Pistons would win any 7-game series against any team. They barely beat the Nets in the second round that year and most of the players on the Lakers team they beat in the Finals were old and fading. Either Jordan 3-peat team would have beaten them most (if not all) of the time, as would the 80s Lakers and Celtics teams. I doubt they even would have been favored over their Bad Boy forefathers of 1989 or 1990.

But it was just one talking head's sports opinion, so who really cares?

So if some sports analyst, a person who makes a living in that field, stated Michael Phelps is faster in the water than a Saifish, it's no biggie?  Despite the fact that a Sailfish can swim 60 mph?   Perk's 2004 Pistons comment is close to that level of stupidity.  If I stated diminutive people of the world should take over the NBA and the hoop should be lowered to 7.5 feet your response would be a shoulder shrug?  :)  There's nothing wrong with calling out unconscionable/idiotic statements.  Especially from people that are paid to analyze a particular sport.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on July 25, 2022, 02:03:23 PM
It is good to see the 2004 Pistons get the respect they deserve.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on July 25, 2022, 02:10:45 PM
So if some sports analyst, a person who makes a living in that field, stated Michael Phelps is faster in the water than a Saifish, it's no biggie?  Despite the fact that a Sailfish can swim 60 mph?   Perk's 2004 Pistons comment is close to that level of stupidity.  If I stated diminutive people of the world should take over the NBA and the hoop should be lowered to 7.5 feet your response would be a shoulder shrug?  :)  There's nothing wrong with calling out unconscionable/idiotic statements.  Especially from people that are paid to analyze a particular sport.

Life’s too short to get upset about this stuff.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on July 25, 2022, 02:11:32 PM
If I stated diminutive people of the world should take over the NBA and the hoop should be lowered to 7.5 feet your response would be a shoulder shrug?  :)

I wouldn't shrug my shoulders. As a tall person I would pat you on the head and tussle your hair a bit
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on July 25, 2022, 02:41:37 PM
There's nothing wrong with calling out unconscionable/idiotic statements.  Especially from people that are paid to analyze a particular sport.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, his opinion, man.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on July 25, 2022, 02:56:35 PM
So if some sports analyst, a person who makes a living in that field, stated Michael Phelps is faster in the water than a Saifish, it's no biggie?  Despite the fact that a Sailfish can swim 60 mph?   Perk's 2004 Pistons comment is close to that level of stupidity.  If I stated diminutive people of the world should take over the NBA and the hoop should be lowered to 7.5 feet your response would be a shoulder shrug?  :)  There's nothing wrong with calling out unconscionable/idiotic statements.  Especially from people that are paid to analyze a particular sport.

Correct. None of that is a "biggie." Nor are you, according to you!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 26, 2022, 08:47:51 AM
The Nets are not going to get close to equal value for Durant.  Realistically can they keep him on the roster and hope he just plays?  Maybe he'll be fine once they unload Kyrie?  If they feel they have no choice but to trade him I think they'll figure out some deal with Brown and Boston.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on July 26, 2022, 09:06:10 AM
Life’s too short to get upset about this stuff.

I don’t really expect humor from you, but that was very funny.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on July 27, 2022, 08:40:49 PM
Jimmy got extensions lol

https://streamable.com/edxktv

(https://i.imgur.com/nI8jrYf.jpg)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on July 29, 2022, 11:12:40 AM
Giannis Antetokounmpo Comes Out Of Nowhere To Block Shot In Nuggets-Magic Game.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_965/b3bab6653d2f418266842d9657f04db2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 08, 2022, 08:54:10 PM
According to The Athletic, Durant has said the Nets’ owner must choose between him and Nash, Marks.

Says he doesn’t “have faith in the team’s direction.”
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 09, 2022, 03:27:11 AM
Shut up and dribble, aina?


#freerocket2022v2

#freeziggy2022
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 09, 2022, 07:27:02 AM
According to The Athletic, Durant has said the Nets’ owner must choose between him and Nash, Marks.

Says he doesn’t “have faith in the team’s direction.”


All of the LeBron haters who criticize him for playing GM - what say ye?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 09, 2022, 07:38:09 AM

All of the LeBron haters who criticize him for playing GM - what say ye?

KD should write a letter.  A lot of scoopers are ok with that approach
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 09, 2022, 07:39:46 AM
KD isn't wrong about Nash being an awful coach.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 09, 2022, 08:01:24 AM
Imagine if the Nets hadn't traded for Harden.  You'd be looking at a lineup of:

Kyrie, Joe Harris, Spencer Dinwiddie, Kevin Durant, and Jarrett Allen

With Caris Lavert, Landry Shamet, Jeff Green, Bruce Brown, and DeAndre Jordan coming off the bench.

OOPS!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 09, 2022, 08:04:02 AM
Imagine if the Nets hadn't traded for Harden.  You'd be looking at a lineup of:

Kyrie, Joe Harris, Spencer Dinwiddie, Kevin Durant, and Jarrett Allen

With Caris Lavert, Landry Shamet, Jeff Green, Bruce Brown, and DeAndre Jordan coming off the bench.

OOPS!

Harden is a franchise killer
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on August 09, 2022, 08:39:06 AM
This is a complete mess.  Nash may not be a good coach but how in the world could he come back to this whether Durant is there or not?  If the Nets refuse any trade offers will Durant just sit out?  They're not getting more than that proposes Boston trade. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Goose on August 09, 2022, 10:50:46 AM
#freeziggy
#freerocket
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 09, 2022, 10:51:50 AM
#freeziggy
#freerocket

Law and order is a must for any society
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on August 09, 2022, 11:59:18 AM
#freeziggy
#freerocket
I would sure hate to have to pay for them.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on August 23, 2022, 12:36:38 PM
Durant is apparently staying in Brooklyn.   LOL.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 23, 2022, 01:30:08 PM
Durant is apparently staying in Brooklyn.   LOL.

Only because no team was willing to give up their future for a 34 year old who has never shown the capability to lead a team to a title and who hasn't played over 68 games since he was 25..
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 23, 2022, 01:38:01 PM
Only because no team was willing to give up their future for a 34 year old who has never shown the capability to lead a team to a title and who hasn't played over 68 games since he was 25..

Here we go again....  He was the best player on an NBA champion.  I know you like to ignore things like that but...

Anyway, his age and injuries are legit concerns.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 23, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Here we go again....  He was the best player on an NBA champion.  I know you like to ignore things like that but...

Anyway, his age and injuries are legit concerns.

The same team (the core) won a championship before he joined and won a championship after he left.

Whether he was the best player? I think we disagree on that. I think Steph and Draymond were both more important to winning.

Durant simply couldn't do what Jabbar, MJ, LeBron, Bird, Magic, etc., could do.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: BM1090 on August 23, 2022, 04:48:48 PM
Only because no team was willing to give up their future for a 34 year old who has never shown the capability to lead a team to a title and who hasn't played over 68 games since he was 25..

Age and durability are legitimate concerns. Being the best player on a championship caliber team is not.

So the point you are trying to make is he can't lead a team to a title? Not sure there's a good argument for that.

Even if you are discounting the Warriors titles, which is dumb, he went 35/10/5 in a 7 game series vs the fully healthy NBA champs 14 months ago and was the best player in that series. Forcing 7 while playing with Griffin, Harris, Brown, Green, Claxton and an overweight, injured James Harden is an incredible feat. In game 7, he scored 48 points (most ever in a game 7), and had 9 rebounds and 6 assists on 47% shooting.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 23, 2022, 05:13:22 PM
Giannis went 32/13/4 with better defense. And won.

Numbers are just numbers.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 23, 2022, 05:55:29 PM
The same team (the core) won a championship before he joined and won a championship after he left.

Whether he was the best player? I think we disagree on that. I think Steph and Draymond were both more important to winning.

Durant simply couldn't do what Jabbar, MJ, LeBron, Bird, Magic, etc., could do.

LOL at Draymond being more important than KD. That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever heard on Scoop.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on August 23, 2022, 06:17:51 PM
The same team (the core) won a championship before he joined and won a championship after he left.

Whether he was the best player? I think disagree on that. I think Steph and Draymond were both more important to winning.

Durant simply couldn't do what Jabbar, MJ, LeBron, Bird, Magic, etc., could do.

Jockey, with all due respect, stating or even insinuating that Draymond was "more important to winning" than Durant is beyond ludicrous.  You may need to rewatch some of those games.  Now, that doesn't mean Durant is in the same tier as the players you mentioned but let's try to live in reality if it's not too much to ask?  I'm 100% a Curry guy.  I may even slot him in the top 5 ever.  But don't treat Durant like he's some role player.  He's without question one of the the greatest pure scorers that ever lived and has always been highly efficient.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 23, 2022, 07:07:11 PM
The same team (the core) won a championship before he joined and won a championship after he left.

Whether he was the best player? I think we disagree on that. I think Steph and Draymond were both more important to winning.

Durant simply couldn't do what Jabbar, MJ, LeBron, Bird, Magic, etc., could do.

Ah yes.  When the stats don't agree, we are going with the "Jockey eye test."

No thanks.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 23, 2022, 07:45:59 PM
It became pretty obvious that the asking price was too high, so he’d have to stay.

No one should cry for KD. (And no one here is, thankfully.) He’s with the team he wanted to play for - a team that paid him bigly for missing an entire season - and he’s alongside the all-star PG he personally recruited to play with him.

Stop whining, play basketball, and earn your $50M/yr. Lead the Nets to something.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on August 23, 2022, 07:54:44 PM
It became pretty obvious that the asking price was too high, so he’d have to stay.

No one should cry for KD. (And no one here is, thankfully.) He’s with the team he wanted to play for - a team that paid him bigly for missing an entire season - and he’s alongside the all-star PG he personally recruited to play with him.

Stop whining, play basketball, and earn your $50M/yr. Lead the Nets to something.

This is good news for the Bucks?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 23, 2022, 08:08:37 PM
It became pretty obvious that the asking price was too high, so he’d have to stay.

No one should cry for KD. (And no one here is, thankfully.) He’s with the team he wanted to play for - a team that paid him bigly for missing an entire season - and he’s alongside the all-star PG he personally recruited to play with him.

Stop whining, play basketball, and earn your $50M/yr. Lead the Nets to something.





Yeah, shut up and dribble, aina?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 23, 2022, 08:34:19 PM
It became pretty obvious that the asking price was too high, so he’d have to stay.

No one should cry for KD. (And no one here is, thankfully.) He’s with the team he wanted to play for - a team that paid him bigly for missing an entire season - and he’s alongside the all-star PG he personally recruited to play with him.

Stop whining, play basketball, and earn your $50M/yr. Lead the Nets to something.

I mean, he has every right to ask for a trade. Not sure I would call it “whining.”
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 23, 2022, 10:34:51 PM
I mean, he has every right to ask for a trade. Not sure I would call it “whining.”

Perhaps you're right, "whining" is the wrong word. I mean, it's a free world and he can say what he wants. He also had the right to tell the owner to fire Steve Nash, who will now be his coach. Should be fun!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 23, 2022, 11:08:04 PM
LOL at Draymond being more important than KD. That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever heard on Scoop.

Draymond won Championships pre-KD, with KD, and post KD.

Could you list the Championships Durant has won without Draymond?

I never said Draymond was a better player. That's obvious to anyone. But he is and has been more important to the Warriors success. That is simply a fact.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on August 23, 2022, 11:53:02 PM
Draymond won Championships pre-KD, with KD, and post KD.

Could you list the Championships Durant has won without Draymond?

I never said Draymond was a better player. That's obvious to anyone. But he is and has been more important to the Warriors success. That is simply a fact.

LOL
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on August 24, 2022, 04:04:16 AM
Draymond won Championships pre-KD, with KD, and post KD.

Could you list the Championships Durant has won without Draymond?

I never said Draymond was a better player. That's obvious to anyone. But he is and has been more important to the Warriors success. That is simply a fact.

How many championships has Draymond won without Steph Curry or Klay Thompson?  It's interesting to me you didn't even mention Klay at all.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on August 24, 2022, 05:46:45 AM
Draymond played a significant role in the Warriors losing to the Cavs in 2016. With him getting suspended for Game 5 due to Flagrants, the Cavs got back in the series.

Then they went and recruited Durant.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 24, 2022, 06:49:32 AM
Draymond won Championships pre-KD, with KD, and post KD.

Could you list the Championships Durant has won without Draymond?

I never said Draymond was a better player. That's obvious to anyone. But he is and has been more important to the Warriors success. That is simply a fact.

Oh Jesus. Kevon Looney also won a title without KD. KD has never won one without Looney. Guess Looney is more important to winning titles than KD is. Same with Iggy.

These are some god awful takes.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WithoutBias on August 24, 2022, 06:54:47 AM
Jimmy Butler has never won a title without Sam Merrill. Sam Merrill has won a title. I’d you want empty numbers, to get yourself Jimmy Butler. If you want rings, give me Sam Merrill every day of the week.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on August 24, 2022, 07:12:56 AM
Hakeem Olajuwon never won a championship without Robert Horry. Horry won 5 without him. Obviously Horry is the better player.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 24, 2022, 07:15:50 AM
Hakeem Olajuwon never won a championship without Robert Horry. Horry won 5 without him. Obviously Horry is the better player.

Facts
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 24, 2022, 02:04:36 PM
Chet Holmgren probably tore some ligaments in his foot.

Caveat Emptor!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 24, 2022, 05:25:03 PM
Oh Jesus. Kevon Looney also won a title without KD. KD has never won one without Looney. Guess Looney is more important to winning titles than KD is. Same with Iggy.

These are some god awful takes.

Now you’re just acting stupid.

Green is a solid candidate to be elected to the HoF. Looney can only visit the HoF.

Green is the single most important defender on GS. And defense wins titles.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on August 24, 2022, 05:31:05 PM
Now you’re just acting stupid.

Green is a solid candidate to be elected to the HoF. Looney can only visit the HoF.

Green is the single most important defender on GS. And defense wins titles.

Is there a reason you have not mentioned Klay Thompson's contributions to their titles?  Did you also forget Jockey how well Durant defended during his tenure?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 24, 2022, 05:51:49 PM
Now you’re just acting stupid.

Green is a solid candidate to be elected to the HoF. Looney can only visit the HoF.

Green is the single most important defender on GS. And defense wins titles.

I agree. That argument was monumentally stupid.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 24, 2022, 06:55:46 PM
Now you’re just acting stupid.

Green is a solid candidate to be elected to the HoF. Looney can only visit the HoF.

Green is the single most important defender on GS. And defense wins titles.




Nearly $50 million in career earnings and guaranteed future contract is a very comfortable way for #5 to visit the HOF, wouldn't ya say, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 24, 2022, 08:40:24 PM
I agree. That argument was monumentally stupid.

For some reason, you guys think I am always attacking Durant. I have stated repeatedly that he is a top 3 player in the NBA and top20 all-time.

This argument reminds me of when the Cavaliers traded for Love. Everyone was saying Love was a top 10 player and I was ridiculed for arguing that he wasn’t. He scored and rebounded a lot because he was the best player on a garbage team. He was not a great player
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 24, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
One final thought about Durant. A better player does not necessarily make for a better team.

Ask anyone who is better. Marcus Smart or Kyrie Irving. The obvious answer is Kyrie. And he is.

But when was Boston a better team?  With Kyrie as the starting PG or with Smart as the starting PG.

I feel that is the case with Durant. Great player, but not a guy who will lead you to the promised land. When he joined a championship team, they still won. When he was on teams that hadn’t already won, he just made them a good team - not a championship team.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 24, 2022, 10:14:59 PM
For some reason, you guys think I am always attacking Durant. I have stated repeatedly that he is a top 3 player in the NBA and top20 all-time.

This argument reminds me of when the Cavaliers traded for Love. Everyone was saying Love was a top 10 player and I was ridiculed for arguing that he wasn’t. He scored and rebounded a lot because he was the best player on a garbage team. He was not a great player

I’m extremely confident that if you asked every NBA GM who they’d pick to build a championship team and you said either KD or Draymond, they’d laugh their ass off.

I don’t know or care if you’re trying to rip Durant or not. What I do know is your takes are absolutely awful. Because Draymond has never played without Klay and Steph you think he’s a more important basketball player than a guy who is unquestionably a top 5 player of this generation. It’s hysterical how dumb your arguments are.

If you put Draymond on the Nets this year and KD on the Warriors this year, I feel very confident the Warriors win a title and the Nets don’t even compete.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on August 25, 2022, 08:34:10 AM
I’m extremely confident that if you asked every NBA GM who they’d pick to build a championship team and you said either KD or Draymond, they’d laugh their ass off.

I don’t know or care if you’re trying to rip Durant or not. What I do know is your takes are absolutely awful. Because Draymond has never played without Klay and Steph you think he’s a more important basketball player than a guy who is unquestionably a top 5 player of this generation. It’s hysterical how dumb your arguments are.

If you put Draymond on the Nets this year and KD on the Warriors this year, I feel very confident the Warriors win a title and the Nets don’t even compete.

That's even generous.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 25, 2022, 09:15:54 AM
Chet Holmgren out for the year.
Ouch
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on August 25, 2022, 09:17:33 AM
I’m extremely confident that if you asked every NBA GM who they’d pick to build a championship team and you said either KD or Draymond, they’d laugh their ass off.

I don’t know or care if you’re trying to rip Durant or not. What I do know is your takes are absolutely awful. Because Draymond has never played without Klay and Steph you think he’s a more important basketball player than a guy who is unquestionably a top 5 player of this generation. It’s hysterical how dumb your arguments are.

If you put Draymond on the Nets this year and KD on the Warriors this year, I feel very confident the Warriors win a title and the Nets don’t even compete.

I don't see a response.  Perhaps Jockey is reexamining his position and overall hoops knowledge? 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 25, 2022, 10:04:26 AM
Chet Holmgren out for the year.
Ouch

Big guy with a foot injury is like a home run hitter with a back injury.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on August 25, 2022, 10:10:16 AM
Chet Holmgren out for the year.
Ouch

Ouch.  Freaking Brutal. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 25, 2022, 10:17:19 AM
Big guy with a foot injury is like a home run hitter with a back injury.

Maybe. Joel Embiid turned out OK. Greg Oden, not so much.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 25, 2022, 10:18:51 AM
Maybe. Joel Embiid turned out OK. Greg Oden, not so much.

I actually thought about those two (and Sam Bowie) this morning when I heard the news.

Hope for Chet that his case is more like Embiid, and not like Oden/Bowie.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 25, 2022, 10:19:07 AM
Chet Holmgren out for the year.
Ouch

Man, that sucks. Hope he heals well.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 25, 2022, 10:21:25 AM
I actually thought about those two (and Sam Bowie) this morning when I heard the news.

Hope for Chet that his case is more like Embiid, and not like Oden/Bowie.

Without a college degree, what’s he going to do?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on August 25, 2022, 10:28:39 AM
I’m extremely confident that if you asked every NBA GM who they’d pick to build a championship team and you said either KD or Draymond, they’d laugh their ass off.

I don’t know or care if you’re trying to rip Durant or not. What I do know is your takes are absolutely awful. Because Draymond has never played without Klay and Steph you think he’s a more important basketball player than a guy who is unquestionably a top 5 player of this generation. It’s hysterical how dumb your arguments are.

If you put Draymond on the Nets this year and KD on the Warriors this year, I feel very confident the Warriors win a title and the Nets don’t even compete.

Yes, if I was building a team I would take Durant over Green. It’s a no-brainer.

But Green is a better fit for a great shooting team like GS. They don’t win all those titles without his defense.

When Durant leads as team to a title, I will concede that you are right.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: jficke13 on August 25, 2022, 10:28:51 AM
Gotta bounce back by year 6 like O'Tule.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 25, 2022, 10:35:36 AM
Without a college degree, what’s he going to do?

I heard he's lazy.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 25, 2022, 10:37:43 AM
I heard he's lazy.

I doubt it.  He’s a white kid
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on August 25, 2022, 10:58:51 AM
I doubt it.  He’s a white kid

Gym rat.
Coach's kid.
Sneaky athletic.
Scrappy.
High IQ player.
Traditional.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on August 25, 2022, 11:00:07 AM
He will be fine - he plays the game the right way.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 25, 2022, 11:27:33 AM
Yes, if I was building a team I would take Durant over Green. It’s a no-brainer.

But Green is a better fit for a great shooting team like GS. They don’t win all those titles without his defense.

When Durant leads as team to a title, I will concede that you are right.

Alright I’ll let you know when he wins his first Finals MVP like Draymond. Wait, nevermind.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 25, 2022, 11:59:09 AM
Gym rat.
Coach's kid.
Sneaky athletic.
Scrappy.
High IQ player.
Traditional.

Bad coaching held him back.  A letter may have helped
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 25, 2022, 03:06:51 PM
I doubt it.  He’s a white kid

Good point. Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on August 26, 2022, 01:39:50 PM
The front court of Chet, Wembanyama, and Giddey in a couple years is going to be so goofy.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 01, 2022, 07:19:36 AM
To get enshrined in the school's Hall of Fame, Davidson requires athletes to have degrees.

Steph Curry finally got his this year, and yesterday he was both enshrined in the Davidson HoF and had his number retired.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 01, 2022, 06:35:27 PM
The Cavs apparently snagged Donovan Mitchell.  But they gave up a ton.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2022, 06:53:01 PM
The Cavs apparently snagged Donovan Mitchell.  But they gave up a ton.

I like what they’ve done in Cleveland.  Not good enough to win a title but interesting enough that some star may think they can and might join in
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on September 01, 2022, 07:03:57 PM
The Cavs apparently snagged Donovan Mitchell.  But they gave up a ton.

See I disagree.  I think this is a rare "star" trade where both teams win.  Cavs send Sexton (who was secondary at the PG to Garland), Lauri (who is owed another $65MM and probably wouldn't start this year), and a rookie, plus picks years from now, not even in the next 2 drafts, when you'd hope to be picking in the 20s anyway.  They have tons of young talent, they don't need a bunch more picks if they get a alpha scorer.

Jazz add more picks.  Now 15 first rounders in the next 7-8 years.  Plus Conley will probably be moved too.  Ainge is wheeling and dealing.

Man the Cavs got attractive in a HURRY.  Garland, Mitchell, Mobley is a great trio.  Allen is good interior anchor.  And maybe Caris Levert gets back to his 18-20 level in an off the bench role like Jordan Clarkson.  AND they get another $30MM a year coming off the books next year when Kevin Love retires.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 01, 2022, 07:05:37 PM
I like what they’ve done in Cleveland.  Not good enough to win a title but interesting enough that some star may think they can and might join in

This is as deep an NBA as I can ever remember.  Garland/Mitchell is certainly interesting.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 01, 2022, 07:09:55 PM
See I disagree.  I think this is a rare "star" trade where both teams win.  Cavs send Sexton (who was secondary at the PG to Garland), Lauri (who is owed another $65MM and probably wouldn't start this year), and a rookie, plus picks years from now, not even in the next 2 drafts, when you'd hope to be picking in the 20s anyway.  They have tons of young talent, they don't need a bunch more picks if they get a alpha scorer.

Jazz add more picks.  Now 15 first rounders in the next 7-8 years.  Plus Conley will probably be moved too.  Ainge is wheeling and dealing.

Man the Cavs got attractive in a HURRY.  Garland, Mitchell, Mobley is a great trio.  Allen is good interior anchor.  And maybe Caris Levert gets back to his 18-20 level in an off the bench role like Jordan Clarkson.  AND they get another $30MM a year coming off the books next year when Kevin Love retires.

The question ultimately comes down to whether they are now good enough to be a title contender or not?   I think they're certainly intriguing but not good enough to be in the mix for a ring.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 01, 2022, 07:47:26 PM
See I disagree.  I think this is a rare "star" trade where both teams win.  Cavs send Sexton (who was secondary at the PG to Garland), Lauri (who is owed another $65MM and probably wouldn't start this year), and a rookie, plus picks years from now, not even in the next 2 drafts, when you'd hope to be picking in the 20s anyway.  They have tons of young talent, they don't need a bunch more picks if they get a alpha scorer.

Jazz add more picks.  Now 15 first rounders in the next 7-8 years.  Plus Conley will probably be moved too.  Ainge is wheeling and dealing.

Man the Cavs got attractive in a HURRY.  Garland, Mitchell, Mobley is a great trio.  Allen is good interior anchor.  And maybe Caris Levert gets back to his 18-20 level in an off the bench role like Jordan Clarkson.  AND they get another $30MM a year coming off the books next year when Kevin Love retires.

Agree. I love the trade for Cleveland. They are going for it.

If they are as good as they think they'll be, the draft picks will be borderline meaningless. And if they're worse than they think they'll be, they'd have been effed anyway.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on September 01, 2022, 08:09:56 PM
The question ultimately comes down to whether they are now good enough to be a title contender or not?   I think they're certainly intriguing but not good enough to be in the mix for a ring.

I don't think they are in a mix for a ring this year, but their trio is 21, 22, and 25.  They are all signed through 2026.  Add in the ability to add another big piece next year with the K Love money, and I think they could easily contend for the East in 2024 if Garland and Mobley continue to develop like they have.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 02, 2022, 10:52:37 AM
I don't think they are in a mix for a ring this year, but their trio is 21, 22, and 25.  They are all signed through 2026.  Add in the ability to add another big piece next year with the K Love money, and I think they could easily contend for the East in 2024 if Garland and Mobley continue to develop like they have.

Fair points.  Don't Garland and Mitchell play a similar style and need the ball in their hands?  I haven't watched Garland enough but Mitchell isn't as effective off the ball.  Wade adjusted with Lebron but had a much more efficient game. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on September 02, 2022, 11:02:34 AM
Fair points.  Don't Garland and Mitchell play a similar style and need the ball in their hands?  I haven't watched Garland enough but Mitchell isn't as effective off the ball.  Wade adjusted with Lebron but had a much more efficient game.

Mitchell has a usage in the low 30s.  Garland's is in the mid to high 20s.  Mike Conley played just fine with Mitchell and he went from a high 20s usage to mid 20s.  Garland and Mitchell both are combo guards who can switch.  Garland averaged almost 9 assists last year, so he can clearly distribute when needed.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 02, 2022, 11:05:02 AM
The Cavs backcourt might not be able to guard whatever backcourt is currently playing at the Rec Center right now.  They'll need one of Mobley or Allen to really stretch the floor, because they'll need both guys on the floor to cover for those guards.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 16, 2022, 05:40:27 PM
Quite a situation involving Suns majority owner Robert Sarver.

He's revealed himself as a raging racist and supreme a-hole. The NBA suspended him for a year ... but it should be no surprise that the Black people who make up the majority of the league's on-court talent want him Sterlinged. It would be an upset if he isn't gone very soon.

He'll get his money, just as Sterling did, but he'll spend the rest of his life being known as "that racist dirtball who used to own the Suns."
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 19, 2022, 10:34:58 AM
Quite a situation involving Suns majority owner Robert Sarver.

He's revealed himself as a raging racist and supreme a-hole. The NBA suspended him for a year ... but it should be no surprise that the Black people who make up the majority of the league's on-court talent want him Sterlinged. It would be an upset if he isn't gone very soon.

He'll get his money, just as Sterling did, but he'll spend the rest of his life being known as "that racist dirtball who used to own the Suns."

I think Sarver is going to fight this but that he'll probably eventually be gone when their corporate sponsors bolt.  It's also going to be interesting to see what Monty Williams and James Jones do now.  There could be pressure on them to leave after this seasoni if Sarver doesn't resign?   
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 19, 2022, 05:01:15 PM
Becky Hammon is better than how many NBA coaches?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on September 19, 2022, 05:27:19 PM
Becky Hammon is better than how many NBA coaches?

Its an interesting question, but she did inherit an absolutely STACKED team.  3 consecutive 1st picks (2 of whom were pretty unanimous NPOY in college), plus they signed a perennial All Star in Chelsea Grey.  Be like having a team in the early 2010s with Lebron, D Rose, and Blake Griffin, and then also signing Joe Johnson.

That being said, she's fantastic with Xs and Os and her dead ball out of bounds play design was pretty excellent on a consistent basis.  She definitely deserves a look over a bunch of the retreads that keep finding jobs.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 19, 2022, 07:11:50 PM
Has anyone checked da teem's bra sizes, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 19, 2022, 11:27:35 PM
Its an interesting question, but she did inherit an absolutely STACKED team.  3 consecutive 1st picks (2 of whom were pretty unanimous NPOY in college), plus they signed a perennial All Star in Chelsea Grey.  Be like having a team in the early 2010s with Lebron, D Rose, and Blake Griffin, and then also signing Joe Johnson.

That being said, she's fantastic with Xs and Os and her dead ball out of bounds play design was pretty excellent on a consistent basis.  She definitely deserves a look over a bunch of the retreads that keep finding jobs.

Agree on all of that. And managing egos on a stacked team isn't always easy for coaches to do.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 20, 2022, 09:18:58 AM
The Athletic is reporting that the next collective bargaining agreement will once again allow kids to go directly from preps to pros. In other words, the end of college basketball's One-and-Done Error.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 20, 2022, 09:25:16 AM
According to Woj, they still have to work out some details and probably wouldn't take place for a couple of years.  But also 18 year olds are not "kids."
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2022, 09:28:51 AM
The Athletic is reporting that the next collective bargaining agreement will once again allow kids to go directly from preps to pros. In other words, the end of college basketball's One-and-Done Error.

It’s years away from actually happening, however, because of the number of first round picks that have been traded away in future years.  I’d guess 5-6 years before one and done is gone
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 20, 2022, 10:41:31 AM
According to Woj, they still have to work out some details and probably wouldn't take place for a couple of years.  But also 18 year olds are not "kids."

My kids are in their 30s, and they're still kids to me.

But sure, if you felt like objecting to something (as you often do), 18-year-olds are technically not "kids." Even if they aren't legally allowed to take a sip of beer.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 20, 2022, 10:42:32 AM
Apparently Bill Walton was assaulted over the weekend riding his bike in Balboa Park. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on September 20, 2022, 01:20:35 PM
Dammit now I kinda like Marcus Smart- https://twitter.com/smart_MS3/status/1572271887404920832
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 20, 2022, 06:58:08 PM
I hope when they allow hs players to go pro that they will also give them the option to play college hoops if they are not drafted. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 20, 2022, 07:15:02 PM
I hope when they allow hs players to go pro that they will also give them the option to play college hoops if they are not drafted. 

That's also an NCAA issue.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on September 21, 2022, 11:53:34 AM
Robert Sarver selling the Suns.
Should we start a collection?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 21, 2022, 11:54:23 AM
Robert Sarver selling the Suns.
Should we start a collection?

Playing the victim card in the process...
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 21, 2022, 12:02:13 PM
And Rodger Sherman hits it right on the head with Sarver.

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1572631985872375815?s=20&t=iKlKbIXGl0FzjvzTsc4YXw
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 21, 2022, 12:33:15 PM
And Rodger Sherman hits it right on the head with Sarver.

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1572631985872375815?s=20&t=iKlKbIXGl0FzjvzTsc4YXw

Always claiming victim hood for one’s words. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 21, 2022, 08:41:55 PM
Ball heading for yet another surgery. It is time for the Bulls to tear it down and start over. The ceiling with a healthy Ball is maybe a 5 seed. It's not a young team and last year was probably the best they will ever be. Ball can be the perfect excuse for the new guys to hit the reset button

But if I had to guess, they will churn and burn as a borderline playoff team for a few years before slipping back into a perennial lottery team. Fire some coaches and finally the GM.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: ZaLiN on September 21, 2022, 10:56:05 PM
I mean they just hired their gm but ok
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 22, 2022, 07:25:52 AM
I mean they just hired their gm but ok
Hence, "Ball can be the perfect excuse for the new guys to hit the reset button."
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 22, 2022, 07:30:30 AM
The Bulls aren't setting the reset button now. They just signed LaVine to a max contract and made the playoffs for the first time in five years.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2022, 07:49:10 AM
Ime Udoka, huh?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 22, 2022, 08:24:22 AM
Ime Udoka, huh?

Ya.....wtf???
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on September 22, 2022, 08:57:40 AM
I don't get why you'd suspend your coach for a full season but not just can him.  Sure, he's a good NBA coach, but is he so much better than Mazulla or whatever other move you would make that its worth awkwardly freezing your whole front office to retain the rights to bring him back after this year?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2022, 09:09:18 AM
I don't get why you'd suspend your coach for a full season but not just can him.  Sure, he's a good NBA coach, but is he so much better than Mazulla or whatever other move you would make that its worth awkwardly freezing your whole front office to retain the rights to bring him back after this year?

Yeah, it seems odd
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 22, 2022, 09:12:50 AM
Dudes who can't keep their schwantz in their pants, end up with their tit in a wringer, aina?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2022, 09:15:18 AM
Dudes who can't keep their schwantz in their pants, end up with their tit in a wringer, aina?

Or get elected president (both ways)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 22, 2022, 09:20:33 AM
The Bulls aren't setting the reset button now. They just signed LaVine to a max contract and made the playoffs for the first time in five years.

We agree.

"But if I had to guess, they will churn and burn as a borderline playoff team for a few years before slipping back into a perennial lottery team. Fire some coaches and finally the GM."

LaVine would be a good third option on a very good team. Him being no.1 or 2 on the Bulls speaks to the lack of talent in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 22, 2022, 09:26:06 AM
Just chit can da mofo, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 22, 2022, 09:27:33 AM
Lots of virtue signaling by Ime this past season.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 22, 2022, 11:01:01 AM
We agree.

"But if I had to guess, they will churn and burn as a borderline playoff team for a few years before slipping back into a perennial lottery team. Fire some coaches and finally the GM."

LaVine would be a good third option on a very good team. Him being no.1 or 2 on the Bulls speaks to the lack of talent in Chicago.


Right. I get it. Most NBA rebuilds end up not being very fruitful if the only way to measure success is either a championship or at least a Finals appearance. But I think they have set their course.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 22, 2022, 11:11:02 AM
I don't get why you'd suspend your coach for a full season but not just can him.  Sure, he's a good NBA coach, but is he so much better than Mazulla or whatever other move you would make that its worth awkwardly freezing your whole front office to retain the rights to bring him back after this year?


If they can him, they may have to pay him.  If they have the ability to suspend him, by either virtue of his contract or Celtics' policy, they can suspend him and hope he just agrees to resign.

My guess is that this is just part of the negotiation to get him out the door.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 22, 2022, 01:48:57 PM
https://clutchpoints.com/twitter-digs-up-ugly-past-of-ime-udokas-interim-replacement-joe-mazzulla/

Oops!  The guy who is replacing Ime for the year was getting in trouble at West Virginia under Bob Huggins.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 22, 2022, 02:00:58 PM
https://clutchpoints.com/twitter-digs-up-ugly-past-of-ime-udokas-interim-replacement-joe-mazzulla/

Oops!  The guy who is replacing Ime for the year was getting in trouble at West Virginia under Bob Huggins.
Doh!

Does Stevens want his old job back?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2022, 02:15:58 PM
Doh!

Does Stevens want his old job back?

I hear Barry Alvarez is taking over
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on September 22, 2022, 02:19:44 PM
ESPN has Durant as the 8th best player in the NBA.

Apparently, the experts at ESPN are as stupid as I am.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on September 22, 2022, 02:43:09 PM
I hear Barry Alvarez is taking over

For a handsome fee of course.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 22, 2022, 03:13:44 PM
ESPN has Durant as the 8th best player in the NBA.

Apparently, the experts at ESPN are as stupid as I am.

Agreed.  I just looked.  Got to number 7.  Saw Jayson Tatum ahead of Kevin Durant.  Laughed so much the tears in my eyes wouldn't allow me to see who they ranked 1-6.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on September 22, 2022, 03:34:10 PM
Agreed.  I just looked.  Got to number 7.  Saw Jayson Tatum ahead of Kevin Durant.  Laughed so much the tears in my eyes wouldn't allow me to see who they ranked 1-6.

You're the same guy that wrote about Kevin Love being an "elite" player. So I guess I am laughing harder than you.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on September 22, 2022, 03:48:35 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-top-100-player-rankings-giannis-stephen-curry-kevin-durant-vie-for-no-1-lebron-james-slips/

CBS has Durant at #3 behind Giannis and Steph. That seems right to me.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on September 22, 2022, 03:58:11 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-top-100-player-rankings-giannis-stephen-curry-kevin-durant-vie-for-no-1-lebron-james-slips/

CBS has Durant at #3 behind Giannis and Steph. That seems right to me.

I agree with Jokic and Doncic in the top 5. Durant, though, would be #5 for me from that group.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 22, 2022, 05:25:22 PM
You're the same guy that wrote about Kevin Love being an "elite" player. So I guess I am laughing harder than you.

You're the author of that list?  Nice, congrats!  Didn't realize we had an ESPN writer as part of Scoop.

I don't recall writing about Kevin Love being an "elite" player, but if I did I guess it would depend on your definition of "elite."  There's no question he was a top 15 player for a number of years in the NBA.  He's a 5 time All Star.  2 time Second Team All NBA.  Basketball Reference gives him a 73% chance of making the Hall of Fame.  I'd say that's pretty elite.

Regardless, if you're actually telling me that you think Jayson Tatum is better than Kevin Durant TODAY (not like some futures list), I don't know what to tell you.  It's not remotely close and never has been.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 22, 2022, 06:14:44 PM
https://clutchpoints.com/twitter-digs-up-ugly-past-of-ime-udokas-interim-replacement-joe-mazzulla/

Oops!  The guy who is replacing Ime for the year was getting in trouble at West Virginia under Bob Huggins.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOPS.

You can't make this stuff up.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on September 22, 2022, 06:29:22 PM


Regardless, if you're actually telling me that you think Jayson Tatum is better than Kevin Durant TODAY (not like some futures list), I don't know what to tell you.  It's not remotely close and never has been.

Okay, Chico  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I literally just posted that Durant was a top 5 player and Tatum wasn’t.

But I guess your argument only works if you make up something to argue against.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 22, 2022, 07:49:05 PM
Okay, Chico  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I literally just posted that Durant was a top 5 player and Tatum wasn’t.

But I guess your argument only works if you make up something to argue against.

You literally posted an article “proving” you didn’t have a dumb take because KD was ranked 7. Tatum was ranked 6. So you’re discrediting your own source that you claimed makes you not an idiot…
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 22, 2022, 07:53:30 PM
I would imagine there is more to this Udoka story that we don't know. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 22, 2022, 08:00:29 PM
Would you take Jokic or Doncic if you had to make that choice? 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 22, 2022, 08:43:38 PM
Its 2022, shouldn't the Celtics chit can the the staffer in this consensual relationship too, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 22, 2022, 08:51:50 PM
The 1-year Udoka suspension is now official.  I can't see him back with the Celtics frankly.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: nyg on September 22, 2022, 08:58:25 PM
I would imagine there is more to this Udoka story that we don't know.

I don't think so.  Guy had an affair with the female staffer, and either got dimed out by someone or the female staffer gave him up.  Maybe he told her he would leave his actress wife for her and he didn't and she got pissed off.

I do agree with you that I can't see him overcoming this and making a "comeback" in 2023-2024 season.  If he did not lead Celtics to Finals or if it was any other coach in these times, they we be fired, not suspended. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 22, 2022, 09:14:09 PM
I don't think so.  Guy had an affair with the female staffer, and either got dimed out by someone or the female staffer gave him up.  Maybe he told her he would leave his actress wife for her and he didn't and she got pissed off.

I do agree with you that I can't see him overcoming this and making a "comeback" in 2023-2024 season.  If he did not lead Celtics to Finals or if it was any other coach in these times, they we be fired, not suspended.

I agree completely with your last sentence.  As far as the possibility that he could have told this woman he was going to leave his partner?  That's certainly plausible.  There are a number of things that could have happened of course.  I expect there will be more details, including who actually leaked the situation. Regardless, it makes pretty much zero sense he will be back in Boston in 2024 or ever.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on September 22, 2022, 09:29:55 PM
Celtics are dumb.

Acting like they are taking some moral high ground but also dont fire him.

I'm with Stephen A. Do it in house or fire him.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on September 22, 2022, 10:15:33 PM
You literally posted an article “proving” you didn’t have a dumb take because KD was ranked 7. Tatum was ranked 6. So you’re discrediting your own source that you claimed makes you not an idiot…

Keep the word salad coming.

I did not say I agreed with every ESPN ranking.

I did say I ranked Durant in my top 5.

He might not be as “elite” as Love, but he’s pretty good.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 22, 2022, 10:24:07 PM
Keep the word salad coming.

I did not say I agreed with every ESPN ranking.

I did say I ranked Durant in my top 5.

He might not be as “elite” as Love, but he’s pretty good.

Jockey: “This article proves I’m not an idiot and everyone else is!”

Also Jockey: “I never said I agree with this article.”

And also Jockey: “Deflect!”
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 23, 2022, 03:30:35 AM
Celtics are dumb.

Acting like they are taking some moral high ground but also dont fire him.

I'm with Stephen A. Do it in house or fire him.

They were trying to do it in house but it was leaked.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on September 23, 2022, 06:08:57 AM
Its 2022, shouldn't the Celtics chit can the the staffer in this consensual relationship too, hey?

Power dynamic.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 23, 2022, 10:21:52 AM
Some rumors that Ime's relationship wasn't just this innocent thing that they tried to make it out to be.  Celtics say it's a 1 year suspension and they'll reevaluate from there.  Yikes.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on September 23, 2022, 10:26:15 AM
Some rumors that Ime's relationship wasn't just this innocent thing that they tried to make it out to be.  Celtics say it's a 1 year suspension and they'll reevaluate from there.  Yikes.

I saw some rumors on Reddit (so it’s 100% accurate) that it was more than one woman and one of the women was a Celtics Executive’s wife. He was told to stop and didn’t.

Who knows if any of that is true. It does seem like there’s more to the story.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 23, 2022, 10:30:34 AM
Even consensual relationships when one of the people is in a position of power can be troublesome, and that's why many corporations and sports organizations discourage them -- and some come right out and forbid them.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 23, 2022, 11:22:50 AM
I saw some rumors on Reddit (so it’s 100% accurate) that it was more than one woman and one of the women was a Celtics Executive’s wife. He was told to stop and didn’t.

Who knows if any of that is true. It does seem like there’s more to the story.

Was that wrong?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on September 23, 2022, 11:59:42 AM
Was that wrong?

Yes, usually only the owners get to do the phucking.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 23, 2022, 12:56:25 PM
Yes, usually only the owners get to do the phucking.
the owners AND Wilt Chamberlain.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 25, 2022, 10:19:33 AM
I saw some rumors on Reddit (so it’s 100% accurate) that it was more than one woman and one of the women was a Celtics Executive’s wife. He was told to stop and didn’t.

Who knows if any of that is true. It does seem like there’s more to the story.

This is the primary rumor, that she is the VP's wife.  I'm still pretty dumbfounded by the 1 year suspension.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: reinko on September 25, 2022, 01:26:57 PM
This is the primary rumor, that she is the VP's wife.  I'm still pretty dumbfounded by the 1 year suspension.

It’s all legal maneuvering. They can suspend, then truly reevaluate (or basically put the ball in his court to resign)…if they fire, opens themselves up to lawsuits from him.

I know the rumor mill is churning, but my guess he will be on the NBA sidelines for a long long time, and maybe forever. 

Also, I’m in the camp he has leaked all this info, not the Cs.  They ran an investigation for nearly 2 months from an independent law firm, then all of sudden (with no leaks), then at the very end a report about a “consensual” relationship between adults is leaked?  Dude is cooked
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 25, 2022, 02:02:04 PM
It’s all legal maneuvering. They can suspend, then truly reevaluate (or basically put the ball in his court to resign)…if they fire, opens themselves up to lawsuits from him.

I know the rumor mill is churning, but my guess he will be on the NBA sidelines for a long long time, and maybe forever. 

Also, I’m in the camp he has leaked all this info, not the Cs.  They ran an investigation for nearly 2 months from an independent law firm, then all of sudden (with no leaks), then at the very end a report about a “consensual” relationship between adults is leaked?  Dude is cooked

Ya.....that part of the leak is pretty interesting.  I still think there's more to this story.  If it was consensual wouldn't the female employee be violating team rules as well?  Maybe it began that way, who knows?  This is a mess. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 26, 2022, 03:52:54 PM
So now there's a rumor that a Celtics player leaked the Udoka story?  Hmmmmm...
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on September 26, 2022, 04:14:37 PM
So now there's a rumor that a Celtics player leaked the Udoka story?  Hmmmmm...

Did someone send a letter to the media by chance?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 26, 2022, 04:35:10 PM
So now there's a rumor that a Celtics player leaked the Udoka story?  Hmmmmm...

Classic Hauser move
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: reinko on September 26, 2022, 04:53:00 PM
So now there's a rumor that a Celtics player leaked the Udoka story?  Hmmmmm...

Probably a huge Friday and Big Momma’s House fan
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on September 26, 2022, 04:57:09 PM
Probably a huge Friday and Big Momma’s House fan

Or someone wanting to see Will Smith slap somebody again.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 26, 2022, 06:01:12 PM
Classic Hauser move

LOL

It wasn't Sammy.  It's a starter....allegedly.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on September 26, 2022, 07:24:38 PM
Thank God hoops is back in a few weeks.  This has the potential to be one of the best NBA seasons I can remember if Kawhi and Zion are healthy.  Do the Bucks have enough or should they try to get something for Grayson Allen?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2022, 08:12:51 AM
Nash said he "never thought that was 100%," about Durant demanding Nash be fired. As if Durant thinking he was only 98% sure he wanted Nash fired was a good thing.

Then, predictably, Nash blamed the media "fighting for clicks" rather than the inability of him and Durant to get on the same page.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on September 28, 2022, 08:28:53 AM
Thank God hoops is back in a few weeks.  This has the potential to be one of the best NBA seasons I can remember if Kawhi and Zion are healthy.  Do the Bucks have enough or should they try to get something for Grayson Allen?


The Bucks are largely fine right now. See what shakes out as the deadline nears.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on September 28, 2022, 11:06:46 AM

The Bucks are largely fine right now. See what shakes out as the deadline nears.

Agreed. The best thing that the Bucks could get for Grayson Allen is a high performing Grayson Allen.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 28, 2022, 11:21:22 AM
Agreed. The best thing that the Bucks could get for Grayson Allen is a high performing Grayson Allen.

Yes.  Grayson is totally fine.  He got exposed in the Playoffs because he (along with Jrue) had to do more than they are capable with Khris being out.  If Khris, Jrue, or Giannis are injured in the Playoffs, the Bucks won't win the title.  If they are healthy, they're as good of a bet as any team.  With those three healthy, you can throw Wes in for Grayson when teams like the C's are trying to pick on him defensively and that weakness is shut off.

IF (huge if) Ingles is 90% of what he was two years ago come Playoff time, the Bucks depth and lineup flexibility is incredible.  I love the jumbo lineup of Jrue, Khris, Giannis, Bobby, and Brook that they found when Giannis went down in the Hawks series and figured out you could have both Bobby and Brook on the court together, but you can only do that for limited minutes.  I love the idea of a starting lineup of Jrue, Khris, Ingles, Giannis, and Brook.  4 shooters around Giannis, all 5 players are big for their positions, and all 5 defend.  Then you have Grayson and Bobby off the bench for scoring, Wes off the bench for defense, and Pat off the bench as a jack of all trades.  The lineup is awesome, especially if Ingles hits.  Mamu, George, Thenasis, MarJon just play blowout minutes.

Now if you can go get a Crowder or Clarkson (would be perfect) for cheap then you obviously do that.  Wish the Bucks had the tradeable contracts that the Pistons had to get Bogdonovic.  That was dirt cheap for him.  Pistons are going to be a really fun team.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on September 29, 2022, 09:53:00 AM
Seeing Jamal Cain pop up in Heat training camp vids has been fun (0:50 mark)

https://www.youtube.com/v/P1P0OU2XsN0
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on September 29, 2022, 09:56:38 AM
Seeing Jamal Cain pop up in Heat training camp vids has been fun (0:50 mark)

https://www.youtube.com/v/P1P0OU2XsN0

Hate to see the Heat shoot like that.  If only they could find a guy to pay $90M to be a knock down shooter.  He'd probably get a lot of run come Playoff time to open up the floor when you have defenders like Jimmy, Bam, and PJ on the court.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 02, 2022, 06:15:14 PM
Herro got four years, 130m.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on October 02, 2022, 09:05:20 PM
Herro got four years, 130m.

RJ's contract changed the game
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 02, 2022, 11:36:24 PM
I know its preseason and its largely meaningless, but the Adelaide 36ers from the Aussie NBL just absolutely ran the Suns out of the gym.  Absolutely incredible.

The timing of games isn't great given the time zones, but the NBL is really fun basketball to watch.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 04, 2022, 12:47:29 PM
I see the Bucks are the favorite of the GMs to win the Title. I'd agree with them.

The Bulls are not in the top 6 of the East. I know others disagree but with Ball out (maybe for good) it is time for the Bulls to go full reset on the team. Their team will never be better than it was last year. I'd get as much as possible before the little talent they have gets older.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 04, 2022, 01:37:00 PM
NBA GMs also gave the reigning NBA Defensive Player the Year zero votes as the best defender in the NBA.  At least they realize that flopping is not playing good defense.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 05, 2022, 07:23:38 AM
By all accounts Wembanyama is the real deal.  Look out when he gains strength and like 25 lbs. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2022, 07:26:16 AM
By all accounts Wembanyama is the real deal.  Look out when he gains strength and like 25 lbs.

Kid looked damn good last night
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on October 05, 2022, 07:38:32 AM
Kid looked damn good last night
yep. I would take him over Holmgren every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 05, 2022, 07:41:18 AM
Kid looked damn good last night

I don't know if he's 7'2, 7'3, or 7'4 but let's start off with the fact that he has guard skills.  He can also run, drill thr triple, and erase shots at the rim.  Now you know why Utah and San Antonio are tanking.  The guy is smooth.  He's definitely gonna be fun to watch. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 05, 2022, 08:57:45 AM
The way the NBA has set up its draft lottery system now, tanking is not a great strategy unless there are 3-5 players you really want. Because you could go 0-82 and very easily end up with the third or fourth pick.

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-lottery-explainer
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 05, 2022, 09:32:06 AM
The way the NBA has set up its draft lottery system now, tanking is not a great strategy unless there are 3-5 players you really want. Because you could go 0-82 and very easily end up with the third or fourth pick.

https://www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-lottery-explainer

It sounds like Henderson is also a stud and after the top 2 who knows.  I guess if you are in full rebuild you essentially tank enough to have a shot at Mr. Wembanyama?  I mean clearly Utah and San Antonio are trying to be as bad as possible. 

The ideal scenario for the NBA is for Zion to be fully healthy and Wembanyama to be the true Unicorn.  I'm rooting for Zion, he's a physical freak.  New Orleans and Denver could make some real noise this year.  I don't see the Lakers finishing above 8th.

My hope is Memphis to win the West and Milwaukee to win the East. 

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 05, 2022, 10:31:43 AM
I'm just saying, Muggs, that tanking in the NBA is far less likely to result in you being able to draft The One than it was just a few years ago, and certainly back when the Bucks were able to get Kareem.

And also far different than it is in the NFL, where if you have the worst record you get the #1 pick. I'm not sure I'd ever go into an NFL season thinking, "Tank." But if my team was bad and got off to an 0-4 start or something, and if there's a no-doubt QB out there, tanking's a pretty easy decision.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 05, 2022, 11:50:58 AM
It's still an easy decision.  There are a very few select teams that have a real shot at winning an NBA title in any season.  If your ceiling is making a play in tournament, it'd be much smarter for you to tank than for you to go after every win.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 05, 2022, 01:14:27 PM
It's still an easy decision.  There are a very few select teams that have a real shot at winning an NBA title in any season.  If your ceiling is making a play in tournament, it'd be much smarter for you to tank than for you to go after every win.

Maybe. I guess it would depend if you're going for the play-in tournament on the way up, or on the way down.

In other words, is the play-in tournament your ceiling, or could it be a legitimate step to eventually contending for something meaningful?

But the fact is the fact: It's simply not as easy to tank for a difference-making superstar-to-be now as it was even in 2016, let alone in the '90s or '70s. Today, you can tank and very easily end up with the fourth-best player in a 1- or 2-player draft.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 05, 2022, 01:27:20 PM
It's still an easy decision.  There are a very few select teams that have a real shot at winning an NBA title in any season.  If your ceiling is making a play in tournament, it'd be much smarter for you to tank than for you to go after every win.
Agreed. Call it tanking or rebuilding or whatever, but it makes no sense to flounder around .500 for years so just rip off the bandage and start over if winning is a priority.

I've said before the Bulls are a perfect example of this. The will never be as good as they were last year, so start over. They have decent older talent that could net them draft assets in return.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 05, 2022, 07:50:10 PM
Scoot and Wemby are both S-Tier prospects.  Wemby is generational, but Scoot isn't far behind.

Amen Thompson could be a legit #1 pick in 70% of drafts.  And there are plenty of intriguing prospects throughout the lottery.

This draft has the potential to be in the same realm as 1984, 1996, and 2003.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 06, 2022, 08:21:02 AM
Scoot and Wemby are both S-Tier prospects.  Wemby is generational, but Scoot isn't far behind.

Amen Thompson could be a legit #1 pick in 70% of drafts.  And there are plenty of intriguing prospects throughout the lottery.


Well, there has been a lot of talk that Holmgren is the "Unicorn".  What if Wemby is the Unicorn?  And if they wind up on the sane team would one be the Unicorn and the other the Narwhal?
This draft has the potential to be in the same realm as 1984, 1996, and 2003.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on October 06, 2022, 09:21:43 AM
I never heard a player referred to as "the" unicorn, just a unicorn.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 06, 2022, 07:23:18 PM
I never heard a player referred to as "the" unicorn, just a unicorn.

That's fair.

Apparently Wemby dropped 36 and 11 today..  I'm hearing a 7'4 Durant?   I would like to get confirmation of his height because I've read 7'2-7'5.  Is he still growing? 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on October 06, 2022, 07:26:02 PM
That's fair.

Apparently Wemby dropped 36 and 11 today..  I'm hearing a 7'4 Durant?   I would like to get confirmation of his height because I've read 7'2-7'5.  Is he still growing? 

Mind blowing.

https://www.youtube.com/v/IF9mlZzfT_o
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 06, 2022, 07:30:40 PM
Mind blowing.

https://www.youtube.com/v/IF9mlZzfT_o

Wow.....what happens if he's 7'5 and gains like 30 lbs?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2022, 07:32:01 PM
Wow.....what happens if he's 7'5 and gains like 30 lbs?

He’ll be fatter
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 06, 2022, 07:34:06 PM
Giannis and Ralph Sampson in a blender?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 06, 2022, 07:35:33 PM
He’ll be fatter

Or he could revolutionize the game.  If I was Wemby, based on what I've read and seen, my goals in year 3 of the NBA would be 43 pts, 17 rebs, 8 dimes, and 6 blocks per game.  :)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 06, 2022, 07:57:09 PM
That's fair.

Apparently Wemby dropped 36 and 11 today..  I'm hearing a 7'4 Durant?   I would like to get confirmation of his height because I've read 7'2-7'5.  Is he still growing?

There is a picture of him after the game with Rudy Gobert and he's got a few inches on him comfortably.

People exaggerate all the time, but he's easily the best prospect of the last 20 years.  He's absolutely astonishing.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 06, 2022, 08:09:06 PM
There is a picture of him after the game with Rudy Gobert and he's got a few inches on him comfortably.

People exaggerate all the time, but he's easily the best prospect of the last 20 years.  He's absolutely astonishing.

So are we talking a combination of Durant and Anthony Davis?  At 7'4?  I don't think he has the downhill speed of Giannis but I'm excited to watch this kid develop. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on October 06, 2022, 08:14:41 PM
There is a picture of him after the game with Rudy Gobert and he's got a few inches on him comfortably.

People exaggerate all the time, but he's easily the best prospect of the last 20 years.  He's absolutely astonishing.

Gobert is 7'1", for reference

https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/1578136797598474242
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 07, 2022, 07:33:57 AM
Here's a little primer on tanking from The Athletic:

The world is officially salivating over Victor Wembanyama, who plays like a point guard and makes 7-1 Rudy Gobert look 5-9. It’s understandable.

So the tank is on, right? Sort of. A quick explainer:

The NBA has prepared for a situation like this. Reminder that the team with the worst record no longer has the best odds of landing the No. 1 pick. The teams with the worst three records have just a 14 percent chance of winning the first pick. Then it goes down to 12.5 percent, and 10 percent and so on.

As our Mike Vorkunov eloquently stated: Your team can go 0-82 and have just a 14 percent of landing Wembenyana.

Essentially, tanking for a certain player in today’s NBA doesn’t really work. The odds are just too low, just as the NBA intended. But hey, if the team is bad and your best player or two get nicked up 55 games into the season, it’s easy to shut those guys down and embrace the bottom. Maybe you get lucky. Or more likely you’re tanking for a range of players.

If your favorite bad NBA team covets Wembanyama — and it should — you better be OK with Scoot Henderson, too.


Good explainer ... but it would have been better had it named the fourth-best player in next year's draft instead of Scoot.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 07, 2022, 08:43:12 AM
So are we talking a combination of Durant and Anthony Davis?  At 7'4?  I don't think he has the downhill speed of Giannis but I'm excited to watch this kid develop.

No need to try to shoehorn him into comparisons.  He's 1 of 1.  Lets just see what he can do
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2022, 09:03:08 AM
No need to try to shoehorn him into comparisons.  He's 1 of 1.  Lets just see what he can do

He reminds me of Travis Diener
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 07, 2022, 09:30:19 AM
The video of Draymond punching Poole out sure is something.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 07, 2022, 12:09:08 PM
The video of Draymond punching Poole out sure is something.

Just saw it......whoa. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 07, 2022, 12:19:48 PM
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1578379846627069953

The video in question.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 07, 2022, 12:26:16 PM
This is such a crazy story for so many reasons, so many layers.

Draymond is clearly in the wrong, just getting that out of the way.  Basically indefensible.

But for all his antics, Draymond is a fantastic teammate, tremendous leader, and seemingly a good guy.  So for this to pop off is kind of nuts.  Add to that, while I LOVE Poole, he is very obviously a huge sh** talker on the court, who knows what the hell was being said.

Where the Warriors go with this is gonna be fascinating.  I believe Bobby Portis got 6 games for rocking Mirotic.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 07, 2022, 12:30:15 PM
The fact that the tape got out is in interesting component.  Maybe it's me but it would suggest people are sick of Draymond's behavior and the organization wanted this to come out in public. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 07, 2022, 12:32:37 PM
Dude's a pompous jerk. Gonna bea fun tymes at da team Christmas party, doe. Peddle his ass, aina?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on October 07, 2022, 03:40:43 PM
He's the 2022 NBA version of Charles Oakley at this point.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 07, 2022, 03:43:09 PM
Given that Kerr famously (or infamously) got punched in the face by Jordan during practice, it will be interesting to see how he handles this situation. My guess is that it's already "over."
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 07, 2022, 04:11:19 PM
This is such a crazy story for so many reasons, so many layers.

Draymond is clearly in the wrong, just getting that out of the way.  Basically indefensible.

But for all his antics, Draymond is a fantastic teammate, tremendous leader, and seemingly a good guy.  So for this to pop off is kind of nuts.  Add to that, while I LOVE Poole, he is very obviously a huge sh** talker on the court, who knows what the hell was being said.

Where the Warriors go with this is gonna be fascinating.  I believe Bobby Portis got 6 games for rocking Mirotic.

I agree with you on Green.

But I really think the team needs to go big - 10-15 game suspension. If it was a slowly escalating affair that ended up with Green punch, I could see just a few games. But you can't just cold cock a guy like that.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 07, 2022, 04:17:05 PM
In house.   Big fine.  No suspension.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2022, 04:17:54 PM
In house.   Big fine.  No suspension.

Make him sing the Michigan fight song before each practice
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on October 07, 2022, 04:32:40 PM
In a fight between a Michigan State alum and a Michigan alum, who wins?


Everybody watching
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 07, 2022, 06:21:14 PM
They should just trade him at this point. Helped them get 4 titles. But the dude wants a max contract next offseason and he’s never been a max player. And now he’s not even close to the player he was at his best. Not worth it.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 07, 2022, 07:58:25 PM
It seems like his style of leadership has gone from being a hard nose guy, to just being a prick.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 07, 2022, 08:02:58 PM
So who leaked the video? My guess is Warriors management.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 07, 2022, 09:12:06 PM
They should just trade him at this point. Helped them get 4 titles. But the dude wants a max contract next offseason and he’s never been a max player. And now he’s not even close to the player he was at his best. Not worth it.

Hard to argue with this. There’s no way he gets anything close to a max deal. The quest could  make him focus more, or it could make him lose his shyte. Based on this latest evidence, the latter seems more likely.

Trade him to the Nets for KD!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 08, 2022, 08:53:43 AM
Hard to argue with this. There’s no way he gets anything close to a max deal. The quest could  make him focus more, or it could make him lose his shyte. Based on this latest evidence, the latter seems more likely.

Trade him to the Nets for KD!

Trade him to the Nets for draft picks and Durant might finally get a title without Steph carrying him.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 12, 2022, 09:16:09 AM
Kerr says that Green will not be suspended and will be back with the team Thursday.

Green has been fined. That'll teach him!

Seriously, I wouldn't have suspended him either. Green already feels embarrassed and crappy. Suspending him would be only a PR move, and the Warriors don't need the PR.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 12, 2022, 09:46:02 AM
Kerr says that Green will not be suspended and will be back with the team Thursday.

Green has been fined. That'll teach him!

Seriously, I wouldn't have suspended him either. Green already feels embarrassed and crappy. Suspending him would be only a PR move, and the Warriors don't need the PR.

I think it's possible the NBA gets involved.  Regardless, from a pure basketball standpoint I think this will hurt Golden State and Green individually.  He's not going to be able to play the same way like nothing ever happened.  His "leadership" qualities are essentially over, he's lost credibility.  Beyond that for all his tough guy talk and persona, and "I'm from Saginaw"drivel, it's interesting he overhand righted a defenseless 6'1  guy about  50 lbs lighter.   I'd like to see what would happen if he did that to say Steven Adams?  In fact, I know Adams is a good dude but I'd love to see him level Draymond.  That would be super fun to watch.  Especially because Green wouldn't do didly squat..  Green is a bully and a coward.  I think Golden State should get rid of the guy but it won't be easy. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 12, 2022, 09:49:31 AM
In house.   Big fine.  No suspension.

Bump
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 12, 2022, 10:13:28 AM
I think it's possible the NBA gets involved.  Regardless, from a pure basketball standpoint I think this will hurt Golden State and Green individually.  He's not going to be able to play the same way like nothing ever happened.  His "leadership" qualities are essentially over, he's lost credibility.  Beyond that for all his tough guy talk and persona, and "I'm from Saginaw"drivel, it's interesting he overhand righted a defenseless 6'1  guy about  50 lbs lighter.   I'd like to see what would happen if he did that to say Steven Adams?  In fact, I know Adams is a good dude but I'd love to see him level Draymond.  That would be super fun to watch.  Especially because Green wouldn't do didly squat..  Green is a bully and a coward.  I think Golden State should get rid of the guy but it won't be easy.

You're speaking like you know anything of the situation outside of the video, which had no sound.  We've already established that Green was tremendously out of line and took it insanely too far.

However, you're now reaching and saying that it wasn't a disagreement, he's just bullying someone small?  Like suddenly someone's whole identity is a lie cause they got into a fight with someone smaller than them?  Thats silly.  And Green has gotten physical and in altercations with plenty of same size and bigger players.  Just stop.  Michael Jordan wasn't a coward cause he punched Steve Kerr.

Green and Poole had words.  Green lost his temper egregiously and flew off the handle and got violent.  Thats all we know.  Anything else is just baseless speculation to try and create some narrative about someone for your tried and true "id love to see X try this with Y (where X would get mangled), it would be fun to watch" mantra.  At least its not with some exotic creature this time
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 12, 2022, 10:22:32 AM
Suspended for a verbal "altercation" with KD.  Punches Poole's lights out and no suspension.  I'd find that a bit interesting if I was Jordan Poole.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 12, 2022, 10:39:05 AM
You're speaking like you know anything of the situation outside of the video, which had no sound.  We've already established that Green was tremendously out of line and took it insanely too far.

However, you're now reaching and saying that it wasn't a disagreement, he's just bullying someone small?  Like suddenly someone's whole identity is a lie cause they got into a fight with someone smaller than them?  Thats silly.  And Green has gotten physical and in altercations with plenty of same size and bigger players.  Just stop.  Michael Jordan wasn't a coward cause he punched Steve Kerr.

Green and Poole had words.  Green lost his temper egregiously and flew off the handle and got violent.  Thats all we know.  Anything else is just baseless speculation to try and create some narrative about someone for your tried and true "id love to see X try this with Y (where X would get mangled), it would be fun to watch" mantra.  At least its not with some exotic creature this time

JWags, harsh or derogatory words don't give someone a right to clock a defenseless person for any reason whatsoever.   The video shows Poole was defenseless for starters.  Secondly, the idea that "fights" like this happen all the time at NBA practices is utter nonsense. That wasn't "a fight".  I'm sure it's true that actual fights break out at NBA practices and they begin with pushing, elbowing, shoving, or what have you.  This was a guy who essentially assaulted Jordan Poole.  Who gives a crap what Poole might have said to him??  If you walked by someone on the street and they said the most filthy and disgusting things about you or your family would you react by throwing an overhand right?  Or would you know in your mind that you would be charged for assault?  What would have happened if Poole was out for a year or forever from that punch?   Green absolutely could have been charged for that punch and he would have lost in court. 

As far as the Jordan/Kerr punch that's completely irrelevant.  The public didn't have video to my knowledge.  And if Jordan in fact threw a punch like that while Kerr was just standing there?  Yes, that would be a cowardly act
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on October 12, 2022, 10:47:13 AM
Suspended for a verbal "altercation" with KD.  Punches Poole's lights out and no suspension.  I'd find that a bit interesting if I was Jordan Poole.

The KD stuff was mid season right? I have a hunch if this was in January, they would have suspended him a game.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 12, 2022, 11:04:10 AM
I think it's possible the NBA gets involved.  Regardless, from a pure basketball standpoint I think this will hurt Golden State and Green individually.  He's not going to be able to play the same way like nothing ever happened.  His "leadership" qualities are essentially over, he's lost credibility.  Beyond that for all his tough guy talk and persona, and "I'm from Saginaw"drivel, it's interesting he overhand righted a defenseless 6'1  guy about  50 lbs lighter.   I'd like to see what would happen if he did that to say Steven Adams?  In fact, I know Adams is a good dude but I'd love to see him level Draymond.  That would be super fun to watch.  Especially because Green wouldn't do didly squat..  Green is a bully and a coward.  I think Golden State should get rid of the guy but it won't be easy.

We'll see. Steph and Kerr are the leaders of that team. Winning tends to make stuff like this go away.

Green had little chance of a max contract anyway. Now he has none. If he gets disruptive, they'll move him. If not, they'll let him help them win and reassess later.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 12, 2022, 11:15:25 AM
We'll see. Steph and Kerr are the leaders of that team. Winning tends to make stuff like this go away.

Green had little chance of a max contract anyway. Now he has none. If he gets disruptive, they'll move him. If not, they'll let him help them win and reassess later.

That's fair.  I would agree  Green had no chance for that contract before the incident but he's also not going anywhere.  It's not like he's not going to pick up 24m after this season.  No team is going to offer Green much of a contract after this season. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 12, 2022, 11:16:25 AM
The KD stuff was mid season right? I have a hunch if this was in January, they would have suspended him a game.

Good point.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 12, 2022, 11:21:53 AM
Peddle his ass, aina?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 12, 2022, 01:11:11 PM
JWags, harsh or derogatory words don't give someone a right to clock a defenseless person for any reason whatsoever.   The video shows Poole was defenseless for starters.  Secondly, the idea that "fights" like this happen all the time at NBA practices is utter nonsense. That wasn't "a fight".  I'm sure it's true that actual fights break out at NBA practices and they begin with pushing, elbowing, shoving, or what have you.  This was a guy who essentially assaulted Jordan Poole.  Who gives a crap what Poole might have said to him??  If you walked by someone on the street and they said the most filthy and disgusting things about you or your family would you react by throwing an overhand right?  Or would you know in your mind that you would be charged for assault?  What would have happened if Poole was out for a year or forever from that punch?   Green absolutely could have been charged for that punch and he would have lost in court. 

As far as the Jordan/Kerr punch that's completely irrelevant.  The public didn't have video to my knowledge.  And if Jordan in fact threw a punch like that while Kerr was just standing there?  Yes, that would be a cowardly act

You're shifting goalposts again.  I never said anything was justified.  I never said Green had a right to do what he did.

And again, we have footage of the punch.  Nothing else.  We don't know if there were shoves or words or whatever happened earlier in the practice.  You're just really eager to go on some diatribe labeling him a coward and a bully over a gross overreaction.

Comparing it to punching a stranger on a street is absurd.  Again, stop trying to rewrite a player's decade long career and reputation over a single action viewed in a vaccuum.

Look forward to some silly divergent thread culminating in speculating about someone else introducing Draymond to darkness.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 12, 2022, 02:55:52 PM
You're shifting goalposts again.  I never said anything was justified.  I never said Green had a right to do what he did.

And again, we have footage of the punch.  Nothing else.  We don't know if there were shoves or words or whatever happened earlier in the practice.  You're just really eager to go on some diatribe labeling him a coward and a bully over a gross overreaction.

Comparing it to punching a stranger on a street is absurd.  Again, stop trying to rewrite a player's decade long career and reputation over a single action viewed in a vaccuum.

Look forward to some silly divergent thread culminating in speculating about someone else introducing Draymond to darkness.

He's a punk, always has been.  And you're right, it would be entertaining to see a 🦁 introduce him to darkness in less than 20 secs.  :)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 12, 2022, 02:58:10 PM
You're shifting goalposts again.  I never said anything was justified.  I never said Green had a right to do what he did.

And again, we have footage of the punch.  Nothing else.  We don't know if there were shoves or words or whatever happened earlier in the practice.  You're just really eager to go on some diatribe labeling him a coward and a bully over a gross overreaction.

Comparing it to punching a stranger on a street is absurd.  Again, stop trying to rewrite a player's decade long career and reputation over a single action viewed in a vaccuum.

Look forward to some silly divergent thread culminating in speculating about someone else introducing Draymond to darkness.

"Sernoffsky, citing a source "close to the Draymond investigation," reported Green "slapped [a] taunting fan at a nightclub," though police later confirmed to ESPN.com that the incident was at a restaurant. Green also had a "blood-alcohol level of 0.10," and he wasn't released until he was sober, as Ed White of the Associated Press reported July 13."
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 12, 2022, 03:11:30 PM
You can take the Spartan out of East Lansing but you can never take the Spartan out of the dude
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 12, 2022, 03:25:57 PM
I'm a little shocked honestly JWags that you're so insouciant to a guy walking up to someone and throwing a Tyson Fury haymaker.  It is a big deal and I'm not the one fking up Green's reputation.   I also think it's not plausible they were "fighting  earlier in the practice" before Green nonchalantly shuffled over  to him and then lost his temper.  That was premeditated, he's lucky Poole wasn't seriously hurt, and that he's not pressing charges.  What happened during the practice before that or what was said between the two is totally irrelevant.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 12, 2022, 03:48:06 PM
I'm a little shocked honestly JWags that you're so insouciant to a guy walking up to someone and throwing a Tyson Fury haymaker.  It is a big deal and I'm not the one fking up Green's reputation.   I also think it's not plausible they were "fighting  earlier in the practice" before Green nonchalantly shuffled over  to him and then lost his temper.  That was premeditated, he's lucky Poole wasn't seriously hurt, and that he's not pressing charges.  What happened during the practice before that or what was said between the two is totally irrelevant.

Stop using 10 dollar words and ridiculous analogies to keep putting words in my mouth.  I never, not once, defended Green, said its ok, no big deal, whatever.  Im just objecting to your dumb assertion that he's a "coward" and a "bully" who decided to plot all practice to knock out his promising young teammate, who he's widely praised and helped win him a championship last year, in some psychotic rampage.  And further more he only did it cause Poole is smaller than him.  That's all just stupid.

Yes he's extremely lucky that Poole wasn't hurt.  He'll be extremely lucky if this doesn't implode a team thats poised to make more noise, and nothing further comes from it.

But all the hysterical "if this happened on the street", fighting Steven Adams, Tyson Fury haymaker BS you've been saying to attack an argument Ive never made is just nonsensical.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 12, 2022, 04:10:25 PM
Stop using 10 dollar words and ridiculous analogies to keep putting words in my mouth.  I never, not once, defended Green, said its ok, no big deal, whatever.  Im just objecting to your dumb assertion that he's a "coward" and a "bully" who decided to plot all practice to knock out his promising young teammate, who he's widely praised and helped win him a championship last year, in some psychotic rampage.  And further more he only did it cause Poole is smaller than him.  That's all just stupid.

Yes he's extremely lucky that Poole wasn't hurt.  He'll be extremely lucky if this doesn't implode a team thats poised to make more noise, and nothing further comes from it.

But all the hysterical "if this happened on the street", fighting Steven Adams, Tyson Fury haymaker BS you've been saying to attack an argument Ive never made is just nonsensical.

We just happen to disagree here. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 12, 2022, 05:24:37 PM
You can take the Spartan out of East Lansing but you can never take the Spartan out of the dude

The guy is from Saginaw, a.k.a., Sagnasty or just The Nasty.

He’s a jag off.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 13, 2022, 06:21:26 AM
Davante pushed a guy to the ground... assault

Draymond throws a potentially deadly punch... a fine?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 13, 2022, 07:21:44 AM
Davante pushed a guy to the ground... assault

Draymond throws a potentially deadly punch... a fine?

Yeah, I don't quite get how that somehow gets ignored just because it was an NBA practice.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on October 13, 2022, 07:43:13 AM
Davante pushed a guy to the ground... assault

Draymond throws a potentially deadly punch... a fine?

Yeah, I don't quite get how that somehow gets ignored just because it was an NBA practice.

If Poole wants to press charges he can.  Then it would be an assault. He won't press charges
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on October 13, 2022, 08:01:19 AM
If Poole wants to press charges he can.  Then it would be an assault. He won't press charges
The prosecution can still pursue the case even if Poole declines to press charges.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on October 13, 2022, 08:01:32 AM
Davante pushed a guy to the ground... assault

Draymond throws a potentially deadly punch... a fine?
The victim and their opportunistic tendencies?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 13, 2022, 08:03:31 AM
If Poole wants to press charges he can.  Then it would be an assault. He won't press charges

civil vs criminal
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 13, 2022, 08:23:01 AM
Well, whatever your point of view on this altercation is there seems to be a disconnect to me.  I recall Myles Leonard was suspended for making an anti-semitic remark while playing video games on camera.  The idea that what Green did "happens all the time" is a justification that it's no big deal is frankly ridiculous. 

I'm also hearing a lot about the Jordan/Kerr fight which by the way took place like 25 years ago or something?  I get a professional basketball practice isn't the same as fights in the normal workplace but I simply do not believe that punch was a normal day at the office.  Daryl Morey got more scrutiny from players and many in the NBA for tweeting "Free Hong Kong".  The idea Green won't get any suspension for this is laughable imo. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 13, 2022, 08:27:17 AM
civil vs criminal
It would most definitely be criminal. Green would be found guilty (based upon video).

I don't think anything would be gained by criminal prosecution.

Civil litigation would result in Green losing money but mostly the attorneys would win.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 13, 2022, 08:41:45 AM
It would most definitely be criminal. Green would be found guilty (based upon video).

I don't think anything would be gained by criminal prosecution.

Civil litigation would result in Green losing money but mostly the attorneys would win.

Yeah, that is the point I am making.

Davante has been criminally charged with assault.  Draymond should be as well.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on October 13, 2022, 09:03:06 AM
Bobby Portis once got what, a 9 game suspension for throwing a punch in practice?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2022, 09:07:15 AM
Let the team handle it.  If this is their decision, 🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on October 13, 2022, 09:10:39 AM
The prosecution can still pursue the case even if Poole declines to press charges.

Of course they can but I can't imagine any prosecutor moving forward on a case between two professional athletes without a willing complainant

Yeah, that is the point I am making.

Davante has been criminally charged with assault.  Draymond should be as well.

The difference is that Davante's complainant is pressing charges. If Poole was pressing charges, Draymond would be criminally charged as well. I'm not a lawyer but I work with prosecutors in my job regularly. My experience is limited to only a handful of prosecutors but 100% of the ones that I know would never criminally charge assault without a willing complainant. And in most cases, I think that's a good thing. The complainant should have a significant say in how their case is addressed.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on October 13, 2022, 09:14:47 AM
Of course they can but I can't imagine any prosecutor moving forward on a case between two professional athletes without a willing complainant
Well, I read your comment literally, and it sounded like you were saying it would only be assault if Poole pressed charges.
It's California, so who knows.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on October 13, 2022, 09:18:21 AM
Well, I read your comment literally, and it sounded like you were saying it would only be assault if Poole pressed charges.
It's California, so who knows.

That's fair and ha, you're right. Who knows in Cali?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on October 13, 2022, 10:11:49 AM
Yeah, that is the point I am making.

Davante has been criminally charged with assault.  Draymond should be as well.

You're probably right by the letter of the law, but how many times has athlete violence against another athlete on or around the playing field been criminally prosecuted?  I think Bertuzzi got charged, but that's the only one that jumps to mind. And honestly its probably for the best. We've just decided that prosecutors are going to take a hands-off approach to sports, and until we have a huge problem with athletes assaulting each other under the cover of competition, we're probably better off not throwing public resources at the issue.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 13, 2022, 10:14:30 AM
Of course they can but I can't imagine any prosecutor moving forward on a case between two professional athletes without a willing complainant

The difference is that Davante's complainant is pressing charges. If Poole was pressing charges, Draymond would be criminally charged as well. I'm not a lawyer but I work with prosecutors in my job regularly. My experience is limited to only a handful of prosecutors but 100% of the ones that I know would never criminally charge assault without a willing complainant. And in most cases, I think that's a good thing. The complainant should have a significant say in how their case is addressed.

I also believe the criminal charges in the Davante case is a prelude to a civil settlement, more than "I want to see this man in jail".  Poole isn't seeking financial damages so there is little gained.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 13, 2022, 06:53:15 PM
There's been a few reports that Golden State didn't suspend Green because they didn't want him to miss the ring ceremony.  How thoughtful of the organization.  I wonder what would have happened if he punched Curry?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 15, 2022, 11:14:52 AM
Poole is reportedly getting a 4yr/140m contract. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 15, 2022, 11:32:36 AM
Poole is reportedly getting a 4yr/140m contract.

Can buy a lot of concealer for $140 million.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 15, 2022, 11:38:43 AM
Can buy a lot of concealer for $140 million.

I would have simply said "congratulations MU82" if you were about to sign that contract.  Even if you were talking little people smack. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 15, 2022, 11:41:53 AM
How cum Woj didant recruit Poole, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 15, 2022, 11:50:22 AM
How cum Woj didant recruit Poole, hey?

Appears Marquette offered.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 15, 2022, 11:57:49 AM
Poole is reportedly getting a 4yr/140m contract.
Great.  A nice reward for hitting Green's fist with his face.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 15, 2022, 12:09:39 PM
Appears Marquette offered.
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Smart move on Poole's part ta play four UM rather than Limp Dick, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 15, 2022, 12:33:07 PM
Smart move on Poole's part ta play four UM rather than Limp Dick, hey?

Totally different than what you claimed.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2022, 03:59:55 PM
Appears Marquette offered.
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Smart move on Poole's part ta play four UM rather than Limp Dick, hey?

Beilein offered him before anyone else did. Poole also left Milwaukee and played at La Lumiere.  You knew all that, though
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Dickthedribbler on October 15, 2022, 10:15:07 PM
Davante pushed a guy to the ground... assault

Draymond throws a potentially deadly punch... a fine?

Devante Adams assaulted someone who is in effect a " civilian" ( a member of the production crew) and who was more than happy to file a complaint with the proper authorities. Moral of that story-------if you're going to committ a tort against someone who is part of the supporting cast and only doing his job, don't do it on national television.

The Green/Poole incident is nothing more than a work place dust--up that for all intents and purposes occurred behind closed doors in front of a room full of alpha males. Kind of like 2 longshoremen pounding the piss out of each other in the lunchroom. Nobody will file a complaint. None of the 20+ people present saw or heard anything. No one would testify against a teammate. Move on----nothing to see here.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 15, 2022, 11:19:39 PM
Warriors just keeping up the Latrell Sprewell tradition
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 16, 2022, 05:39:11 AM
Devante Adams assaulted someone who is in effect a " civilian" ( a member of the production crew) and who was more than happy to file a complaint with the proper authorities. Moral of that story-------if you're going to committ a tort against someone who is part of the supporting cast and only doing his job, don't do it on national television.

The Green/Poole incident is nothing more than a work place dust--up that for all intents and purposes occurred behind closed doors in front of a room full of alpha males. Kind of like 2 longshoremen pounding the piss out of each other in the lunchroom. Nobody will file a complaint. None of the 20+ people present saw or heard anything. No one would testify against a teammate. Move on----nothing to see here.

He didn’t do it on national television.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on October 17, 2022, 09:13:13 AM
Clippers are launching a D2C viewing option

https://apnews.com/article/los-angeles-clippers-nba-sports-steve-ballmer-gillian-zucker-e26effde3fe9180e9e1d9f67e540604b

Quote
The product — ClipperVision, it’s called — is a first for the NBA, and the team says it is planning on streaming more than 70 games live in-market this coming season.

“It’s inevitable. This is where things are going. It’s obvious,” Clippers President Gillian Zucker said. “The speed at which the pickup takes place, that’s the only question mark.”

Hopefully this catches on in pro/college sports. I feel like it's 10 years late, but better late than never.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 17, 2022, 02:26:09 PM
Hornets backup James Bouknight was arrested for impaired driving.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/charlotte-hornets/article267431857.html#storylink=cpy

This is commonplace for Bouknight, who has several pending charges from November alone, including speeding and reckless driving. He also was arrested once for similar while he was at UConn.

What a dope, and potentially a killer dope.

He hardly played as a rookie last season but he has moved up to become a rotation player this season. It's hard to root for a guy who doesn't learn, though.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on October 17, 2022, 06:27:26 PM
The Athletic's Power Rankings are out. The Bucks (2) and the Heat (5) are the East teams in "Tier 1: The Contenders"

https://theathletic.com/3608925/2022/10/17/nba-power-rankings-season-opening/?source=user-shared-article
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 17, 2022, 06:38:40 PM
The Athletic's Power Rankings are out. The Bucks (2) and the Heat (5) are the East teams in "Tier 1: The Contenders"

https://theathletic.com/3608925/2022/10/17/nba-power-rankings-season-opening/?source=user-shared-article

Will be very curious what the Bucks look like through the new year.  Think this is a team that starts slow and then we’ll see what happens
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 17, 2022, 06:41:33 PM
Hornets backup James Bouknight was arrested for impaired driving.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/charlotte-hornets/article267431857.html#storylink=cpy

This is commonplace for Bouknight, who has several pending charges from November alone, including speeding and reckless driving. He also was arrested once for similar while he was at UConn.

What a dope, and potentially a killer dope.

He hardly played as a rookie last season but he has moved up to become a rotation player this season. It's hard to root for a guy who doesn't learn, though.

Funny, I happened to catch part of a recent interview with Steve Clifford on NBA radio  recently.  He said that Patrick Ewing talked to him about Bouknight, presumably before they drafted him.  To paraphrase he stated "Patrick had never raved about a college player before to me but he was emphatic that Bouk would be a superstar in the NBA." 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 17, 2022, 09:28:17 PM
Funny, I happened to catch part of a recent interview with Steve Clifford on NBA radio  recently.  He said that Patrick Ewing talked to him about Bouknight, presumably before they drafted him.  To paraphrase he stated "Patrick had never raved about a college player before to me but he was emphatic that Bouk would be a superstar in the NBA."

Given Ewing’s ability as a college coach, maybe not the best person to glean an assessment from.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 17, 2022, 09:55:23 PM
Given Ewing’s ability as a college coach, maybe not the best person to glean an assessment from.

Ya....I was surprised he rent there but I guess he was his assistant a few years ago
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2022, 09:47:43 AM
The future superstar Bouk was passed out in his car and had a gun with him when he was found and arrested.

He has a bazillion traffic citations outstanding.

Meanwhile, Miles Bridges' trial for beating up the mother of his children -- in front of those children -- has been postponed numerous times. He won't be with the team as the season starts, and even if he escapes his legal issures, he faces a long NBA suspension.

The Hornets have way more arrests than they do playoff victories over the last 10 years. MJ is doing a hell of a job as owner.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 18, 2022, 10:08:39 AM
The future superstar Bouk was passed out in his car and had a gun with him when he was found and arrested.

He has a bazillion traffic citations outstanding.

Meanwhile, Miles Bridges' trial for beating up the mother of his children -- in front of those children -- has been postponed numerous times. He won't be with the team as the season starts, and even if he escapes his legal issures, he faces a long NBA suspension.

The Hornets have way more arrests than they do playoff victories over the last 10 years. MJ is doing a hell of a job as owner.

Ball and Wembenyama should be fun together next year, though.

Can the Bucks take any of Hayward, Oubre, or PJ Washington from you to assist in your tank season?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2022, 10:24:53 AM
Ball and Wembenyama should be fun together next year, though.

Can the Bucks take any of Hayward, Oubre, or PJ Washington from you to assist in your tank season?

Despite everything going on with Bridges, and now with Ball missing the start of the season, the Hornets actually think they are "close." By their definition, that means 45 wins and a playoff (not play-in) berth. I think they're nuts.

If I could be assured of one of the top 2 picks (as was the case pre-1985) or reasonably sure of one of the top 2 (as was the case pre-2018), I'd tank. But it's murkier now. And what I think doesn't matter anyway because Jordan/Kupchak don't seem ready to even contemplate tanking.

A healthy Heyward (major oxymoron) would help the Bucks or any number of other teams. The others could, too. As could Rozier. The Hornets have a lot of solid 5th-6th-7th men.

What most Hornets fans are afraid of is that they will not win very much the next couple of years and then LaMelo will bolt. Their entire marketing campaign is built around him, not to mention any chance they have of actually being an exciting, successful team.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: YaBlueIt on October 18, 2022, 10:31:32 AM
Will be very curious what the Bucks look like through the new year.  Think this is a team that starts slow and then we’ll see what happens

Definitely agree on the slow start as they will be without Middleton and Connaughton for the first few weeks of the season. It may take a while for things to get gelling.

Interesting that the Athletic didn't have the Sixers in the contenders bracket. I think there's a strong possibility they finish with the 1 seed in the East.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
Definitely agree on the slow start as they will be without Middleton and Connaughton for the first few weeks of the season. It may take a while for things to get gelling.

Interesting that the Athletic didn't have the Sixers in the contenders bracket. I think there's a strong possibility they finish with the 1 seed in the East.

Any team with James Harden isn’t a serious contender
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on October 18, 2022, 10:39:42 AM
Definitely agree on the slow start as they will be without Middleton and Connaughton for the first few weeks of the season. It may take a while for things to get gelling.

Interesting that the Athletic didn't have the Sixers in the contenders bracket. I think there's a strong possibility they finish with the 1 seed in the East.

Rico nailed it. Their big Q on the Sixers is if Harden can still be productive, "But will Harden be plagued by stricter rules against trying to draw fouls and more importantly his nagging hamstring issues? Harden might be best used as a pure point guard type of player, but he might be in the zone of waiting to see if he can remain healthy."

Their big Q on the Celtics is the health of their center. "Robert Williams III’s knee isn’t in ideal shape following his meniscus tear, and we don’t even know when to truly expect him back and whether he’ll be back to form. He’s the key to their defense, and they don’t have a ton of depth with their big men currently."
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 18, 2022, 10:40:31 AM
I know the Celtics lost Udoka but if Williams gets healthy I think they clearly have the best roster in the East.  They have a huge perimeter advantage with 4-5 guys that can score and two that are elite scorers. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 18, 2022, 11:48:31 AM
Any team with James Harden isn’t a serious contender

Any team with Kevin Durant isn’t a serious contender
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 18, 2022, 12:07:46 PM
The NBA on TNT is just so good.

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1582382245100146688?s=20&t=PDFQsBEQy0aL4K6dBe57_g
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 18, 2022, 12:36:57 PM
The NBA on TNT is just so good.

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1582382245100146688?s=20&t=PDFQsBEQy0aL4K6dBe57_g

HILARIOUS! 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2022, 12:55:40 PM
I know the Celtics lost Udoka but if Williams gets healthy I think they clearly have the best roster in the East.  They have a huge perimeter advantage with 4-5 guys that can score and two that are elite scorers.

Once Middleton is healthy, and assuming no other serious injuries, the Bucks have the best "championship-type" lineup in the entire league, not to mention the experience of having actually done it. The Celtics have plenty of question marks, too.

If I had to pick the 2023 champions right now, it would be the Bucks.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 18, 2022, 01:04:44 PM
Dat pretty much guarantees dale suck, aina?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2022, 01:09:18 PM
Dat pretty much guarantees dale suck, aina?

I’d peddle Giannis for Sam
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 18, 2022, 01:42:21 PM
Once Middleton is healthy, and assuming no other serious injuries, the Bucks have the best "championship-type" lineup in the entire league, not to mention the experience of having actually done it. The Celtics have plenty of question marks, too.

If I had to pick the 2023 champions right now, it would be the Bucks.

And most people would agree with that but which roster is better?  I think it's clearly the Celtics if R  Williams is healthy.  They have Tatum, Brown, Brogdan, Smart, White, and maybe Gallanari comes back.  Inside they still have Horford and Grant Williams.  Lopez will be a year older.  I think it's a significant advantage when you have 4 guys minimum that can score not to mention Tatum and Brown may both be better this year. I just feel the Bucks' top 3 have to be great all series in this match-up if everyone is healthy.  The Celtics are also better overall defensively based on last season.   Now it is conceivable Giannis just wrecks everyone in his path but that's a lot to ask against a complete roster.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 18, 2022, 07:36:33 PM
I never understood why Fuktz and Ball were taken ahead of Tatum.   I mean  Embiid slipping to 3 was also a joke but there were some injuries concerns. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 18, 2022, 08:49:00 PM
Miserable performance by Embiid tonight. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2022, 09:13:03 PM
And most people would agree with that but which roster is better?  I think it's clearly the Celtics if R  Williams is healthy.  They have Tatum, Brown, Brogdan, Smart, White, and maybe Gallanari comes back.  Inside they still have Horford and Grant Williams.  Lopez will be a year older.  I think it's a significant advantage when you have 4 guys minimum that can score not to mention Tatum and Brown may both be better this year. I just feel the Bucks' top 3 have to be great all series in this match-up if everyone is healthy.  The Celtics are also better overall defensively based on last season.   Now it is conceivable Giannis just wrecks everyone in his path but that's a lot to ask against a complete roster.

OK, Muggs, we’ll agree to disagree.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2022, 09:18:01 PM
Juan was the first to receive his 2022 NBA Championship ring.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 18, 2022, 09:19:07 PM
OK, Muggs, we’ll agree to disagree.

Philly won't be a factor.  I can tell that after one game.  I hope you're right about the Bucks.  Cleveland and Atlanta should be interesting this year.   Tatum is no joke MU82.  He's an absolute match-up nightmare and has improved defensively.  He's a legitimate MVP candidate. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2022, 09:57:47 PM
Yes, Tatum is real good. He’s no Giannis, but he’s real good.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 18, 2022, 10:21:03 PM
Yes, Tatum is real good. He’s no Giannis, but he’s real good.

He's not GIanni and he also had a rough NBA Finals.  But he's a top 5 guy and don't forget what he did in G6 in Milwaukee last year. He's the real deal. I'm not so sure when you look at his overall game that you would automatically take Doncic or Jokic ahead of him.  He's a very capable defender and has gotten stronger.  He's not nearly as consistent as Durant at his peak but he can score from any spot on the floor at 6'10.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 18, 2022, 10:33:23 PM
The primary 5 player line-up I'd like to see at MU would be:

Curry
Doncic
Leonard
Tatum
Antetokounmpo

with a bench of::

Jokic
Durant
Williamson
Wembanyama
Booker

:)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 18, 2022, 10:35:45 PM
Westbrook looks like complete garbage. 

Maybe he read my text?  Two straight hoops. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 19, 2022, 12:12:43 AM
Westbrook looks like complete garbage. 

Maybe he read my text?  Two straight hoops.

I mean he has 19 pts, 11 rbs, on only 12 shots. Given that he is playing a tertiary role and played off ball a lot, that's a line most would take in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 12:19:52 AM
I mean he has 19 pts, 11 rbs, on only 12 shots. Given that he is playing a tertiary role and played off ball a lot, that's a line most would take in a heartbeat.

That Lakers team is going to struggle.  They're really old and can't defend.  Russ did wind up with one of his better games tonight but the result was never in doubt.  The weapons on the Warriors are ridiculous.  I'm not sure why you wouldn't slow the game down and pound the paint if you have a dominant big vs them. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 19, 2022, 08:46:32 AM
He's not GIanni and he also had a rough NBA Finals.  But he's a top 5 guy and don't forget what he did in G6 in Milwaukee last year. He's the real deal. I'm not so sure when you look at his overall game that you would automatically take Doncic or Jokic ahead of him.  He's a very capable defender and has gotten stronger.  He's not nearly as consistent as Durant at his peak but he can score from any spot on the floor at 6'10.

I think Tatum is a top 10 player, but not quite top 5.

1. Giannis
2. Curry
3. Jokic
4. Embiid
5. Durant
6. Kawhi (if healthy)

Then there's a bit of a dropoff to the next tier. Tatum is side by side with Luka, Jimmy Butler, and an aging Lebron.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 19, 2022, 08:53:37 AM
I think Tatum is a top 10 player, but not quite top 5.

1. Giannis
2. Curry
3. Jokic
4. Embiid
5. Durant
6. Kawhi (if healthy)

Then there's a bit of a dropoff to the next tier. Tatum is side by side with Luka, Jimmy Butler, and an aging Lebron.

Durant #5? You’ll hear from Wades about that.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 19, 2022, 09:17:30 AM
Durant #5? You’ll hear from Wades about that.

Jocky:
ESPN has Durant as the 8th best player in the NBA.

Apparently, the experts at ESPN are as stupid as I am.

Also Jocky: I SAID HE'S TOP 5!

But yes.  Ask any GM in the world: For this season only, you can have Embiid, Jokic, or KD.  Who you got?  I'd venture to guess 90%+ take KD.

But you know what?  You're right.  Embiid and Jokic have proven they can win titles, while KD has not.  Thus, KD can't be higher than 5 because he can't get that ring and guys like Embiid and Jokic should be ranked higher than him.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 09:46:34 AM
I think the overall versatility of Tatum is underrated.  In fact I'm not so sure he and Brown aren't the best duo in the NBA.  They are big, young, strong, can score inside and out, play on or off the ball, defend multiple positions, rebound, and they're experienced.  They're aren't a lot of guys that can do all the things they can do on the floor.  Remember, they're much better defenders than Doncic. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 09:48:57 AM
I guess I missed that Draymond "took time off" to star, produce, and direct his own mini-documentary about the complexity and trauma he has experienced fron punching a guy in the face. How heartwarming. 

If you have not seen this video it is honestly hysterical!  It's like a good snl skit.  Incredible stuff.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 09:51:48 AM
Jocky:
Also Jocky: I SAID HE'S TOP 5!

But yes.  Ask any GM in the world: For this season only, you can have Embiid, Jokic, or KD.  Who you got?  I'd venture to guess 90%+ take KD.



But you know what?  You're right.  Durant and Jokic have proven they can win titles, while KD has not.  Thus, KD can't be higher than 5 because he can't get that ring and guys like Embiid and Jokic should be ranked higher than him.


Huh?  I'm lost here. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 19, 2022, 09:52:40 AM
Muggs, you're missing the sarcasm.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 19, 2022, 09:54:29 AM
I'm lost.  What exactly has Embiid done in the playoffs.

Exactly.  Jocky loves to point out that any team with KD isn't a title contender (even though he has 2 titles), KD will never be the best player on a title team (even though he was twice), KD can't win a title on his own (because so many players can take what is otherwise a roster like the Jazz have this year and win a title with them), so he claims KD can't be ranked as a top 3 player.  But hey, Jokic and/or Embiid are definitely top 3 players, with all their post season success and all.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 09:56:23 AM
Exactly.  Jocky loves to point out that any team with KD isn't a title contender (even though he has 2 titles), KD will never be the best player on a title team (even though he was twice), KD can't win a title on his own (because so many players can take what is otherwise a roster like the Jazz have this year and win a title with them), so he claims KD can't be ranked as a top 3 player.  But hey, Jokic and/or Embiid are definitely top 3 players, with all their post season success and all.

Ha!  Sorry... I missed the sarcasm.  :)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 19, 2022, 10:35:53 AM
The NBA on TNT is just so good.

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1582382245100146688?s=20&t=PDFQsBEQy0aL4K6dBe57_g


I was thinking while seeing some clips from NBAonTNT on Twitter to celebrate the season starting, what they’ve done with Shaq and Barkley is remarkable.  2 guys who were first ballot HOF, combined 2 MVPs, 26 ASG, 14 First Team All NBA, 2 All Rookie First Team, and 3 Gold Medals….and made them your funny uncles cracking jokes at the family party and annoying your grandparents cause they keep side tracking the conversation.  Younger people know them from running gags and making fun of each other for stat mess ups or messing up players names…not realizing they made the All Time Top 50 list while still playing. It’s incredible

WHAT YOU SAY NOW CHUCK?!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 19, 2022, 01:17:08 PM
The latest update on the troubled James Bouknight, from the Charlotte Observer:

Additional details from police and court records about Charlotte Hornets guard James Bouknight’s arrest from Sunday show he was found unconscious in his car in an uptown parking deck, hit two police vehicles, and had a gun.

He was charged with driving while impaired, according to Mecklenburg County Sheriff’s Office arrest records. Two days later, in an interview with The Charlotte Observer after a team practice, Bouknight said he’s sorry for his actions: “Honestly, I just wanted to apologize for being a distraction before the start of the season, for my teammates and for what we’ve got going on.”

WSOC, The Charlotte Observer’s news partner, on Wednesday reported officers found Bouknight’s car was in drive at the time and officers said he hit two police vehicles. Citing court records, WSOC reported officers used a PA system, airhorns and lights in an attempt to wake him up.

According to the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police report, Bouknight was found just before 1 a.m. in a multi-story parking garage connected to apartments, a grocery store and the Stonewall Station light rail stop. Police radio communications, obtained from Broadcastify, indicate first responders from Medic, Charlotte Fire and CMPD attempted to rouse Bouknight and have him open the locked car.

When officers ran his car’s tag and ownership information, they learned Bouknight was the owner and that he had a pending concealed carry permit. Open carry is allowed under North Carolina law in cases where the gun is considered legal and the person is not banned from having a firearm.

WSOC reported: “Bouknight also told a paramedic at the scene that he had approximately four shots of tequila before driving home, according to court documents. A breathalyzer test later confirmed his blood alcohol content was a 0.14.”

The Charlotte Observer reported Monday that Bouknight had been released on a $2,500 bond. Sheriff’s records show the 22-year-old was arrested by CMPD just before 2 a.m. Sunday.

Already, Bouknight was expected to appear in court in North Carolina later this month for a previous violation. Bouknight has several pending charges in Cabarrus County from November, including speeding and reckless driving. He was cited for driving 107 mph in a 65 mph zone, public records show.


+++

Somebody please take away this guy's driver's license and impound his vehicles. He is a menace to society, at least on Charlotte's roads.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 19, 2022, 02:09:10 PM
I think the overall versatility of Tatum is underrated.  In fact I'm not so sure he and Brown aren't the best duo in the NBA.  They are big, young, strong, can score inside and out, play on or off the ball, defend multiple positions, rebound, and they're experienced.  They're aren't a lot of guys that can do all the things they can do on the floor.  Remember, they're much better defenders than Doncic.

The NBA talent is spread around in a way that I don't think there is a clear top duo in the league.  There isn't a James/Wade, Curry/Durant, or Magic/Kareem superstar pairing.

As for Tatum, I already factored his defense into my assessment.  I also factored in his middling assist rate (20-22% the last two years) compared to Luka's assist rate north of 40%.

Tatum is a very good player, definitely top 10 in my opinion.  But I think there are 6 players a step above him.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 02:43:35 PM
The NBA talent is spread around in a way that I don't think there is a clear top duo in the league.  There isn't a James/Wade, Curry/Durant, or Magic/Kareem superstar pairing.

As for Tatum, I already factored his defense into my assessment.  I also factored in his middling assist rate (20-22% the last two years) compared to Luka's assist rate north of 40%.

Tatum is a very good player, definitely top 10 in my opinion.  But I think there are 6 players a step above him.



That's fine and a lot of people agree with you.  I was a little surprised that Embiid (who is in your top 5) was average for most of the gane last night with Noah Vonleh as his primary defender.  I get he was doubled and this was just one game, but on paper this should be a contest he dominates.  Maybe part of this is poor coaching by Doc?   I think my 10 in no particular order would be:

Giannis
Curry
Tatum
Doncic
Leonard
Morant
Jokic
Embiid
Durant
James
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 19, 2022, 03:22:01 PM
The latest update on the troubled James Bouknight, from the Charlotte Observer:

Additional details from police and court records about Charlotte Hornets guard James Bouknight’s arrest from Sunday show he was found unconscious in his car in an uptown parking deck, hit two police vehicles, and had a gun.

He was charged with driving while impaired, according to Mecklenburg County Sheriff’s Office arrest records. Two days later, in an interview with The Charlotte Observer after a team practice, Bouknight said he’s sorry for his actions: “Honestly, I just wanted to apologize for being a distraction before the start of the season, for my teammates and for what we’ve got going on.”

WSOC, The Charlotte Observer’s news partner, on Wednesday reported officers found Bouknight’s car was in drive at the time and officers said he hit two police vehicles. Citing court records, WSOC reported officers used a PA system, airhorns and lights in an attempt to wake him up.

According to the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police report, Bouknight was found just before 1 a.m. in a multi-story parking garage connected to apartments, a grocery store and the Stonewall Station light rail stop. Police radio communications, obtained from Broadcastify, indicate first responders from Medic, Charlotte Fire and CMPD attempted to rouse Bouknight and have him open the locked car.

When officers ran his car’s tag and ownership information, they learned Bouknight was the owner and that he had a pending concealed carry permit. Open carry is allowed under North Carolina law in cases where the gun is considered legal and the person is not banned from having a firearm.

WSOC reported: “Bouknight also told a paramedic at the scene that he had approximately four shots of tequila before driving home, according to court documents. A breathalyzer test later confirmed his blood alcohol content was a 0.14.”

The Charlotte Observer reported Monday that Bouknight had been released on a $2,500 bond. Sheriff’s records show the 22-year-old was arrested by CMPD just before 2 a.m. Sunday.

Already, Bouknight was expected to appear in court in North Carolina later this month for a previous violation. Bouknight has several pending charges in Cabarrus County from November, including speeding and reckless driving. He was cited for driving 107 mph in a 65 mph zone, public records show.


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Somebody please take away this guy's driver's license and impound his vehicles. He is a menace to society, at least on Charlotte's roads.

  completely agree but unfortunately it depends on the DA and the judge.  they've been letting out a lot worse for less than this. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 07:33:46 PM
Morant has a different gear and all four directions. He can also change speeds and elevate with the best of them. He's the most electric player I have seen since Wade. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 19, 2022, 07:41:47 PM
  completely agree but unfortunately it depends on the DA and the judge.  they've been letting out a lot worse for less than this.

I didn’t say lock him up and throw away the key. I said take away his driving privileges. And maybe get him some psychological help if deemed necessary.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 19, 2022, 07:57:45 PM
Give 'em da Kolek treatment, aina?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 19, 2022, 07:58:30 PM
I didn’t say lock him up and throw away the key. I said take away his driving privileges. And maybe get him some psychological help if deemed necessary.

yeah, james don't you even think about getting into that car...james?  james!!

  your intentions are good, but there needs to be consequences BEFORE he kills someone
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 19, 2022, 08:04:03 PM
So LaVine is out of the Bulls' game tonight for what he says is "load management". Really? Load management in game 1 of the season? Guess he put too much into the preseason and is going to rest for the regular season.

Are the Bulls starting to tank already?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 08:07:19 PM
So LaVine is out of the Bulls' game tonight for what he says is "load management". Really? Load management in game 1 of the season? Guess he put too much into the preseason and is going to rest for the regular season.

Are the Bulls starting to tank already?

That is bizarre....but the Bulls are up 8?  In Miami?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 19, 2022, 08:08:05 PM
That is bizarre....but the Bulls are up 8?  In Miami?

Muggs you gotta pace yourself man. It’s the second night of the season.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 08:10:00 PM
Muggs you gotta pace yourself man. It’s the second night of the season.

I'm just excited to see hoops. I understand reality. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 19, 2022, 08:16:57 PM
That is bizarre....but the Bulls are up 8?  In Miami?
In fairness, LaVine made the playoffs for the first time ever so the extra five games last season will take a toll on anybody. Heck I think Ball reinjured just himself watching the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 08:21:04 PM
In fairness, LaVine made the playoffs for the first time ever so the extra five games last season will take a toll on anybody. Heck I think Ball reinjured just himself watching the playoffs.

LOL.  Looking at the box score I see Ayo is having a nice game. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 19, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
Luka >>>>>> Tatum.

Love what Luka does to the Suns. A true alpha against a team of betas that think they’re alphas.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 11:13:18 PM
Luka >>>>>> Tatum.

Love what Luka does to the Suns. A true alpha against a team of betas that think they’re alphas.

The Suns look awful. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Mutaman on October 19, 2022, 11:20:30 PM
  completely agree but unfortunately it depends on the DA and the judge.  they've been letting out a lot worse for less than this.

The Rocket has had an issue  with prosecutors ever since they refused to plea bargain that Peeping Tom case. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 19, 2022, 11:26:23 PM
Suns figured out how to win. Have Chris Paul find the bench.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 19, 2022, 11:31:02 PM
Suns figured out how to win. Have Chris Paul find the bench.

Wow.  Luka needs to complain a lot less.  This would be a total collapse if Dallas loses.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 20, 2022, 08:08:58 AM
  your intentions are good, but there needs to be consequences BEFORE he kills someone

not worth trying to have this conversation with you.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 20, 2022, 08:56:36 AM
Looks like Pop is taking the Nosedive for Victor thing seriously. His team opened the season by getting crushed at home by a mediocre-at-best Hornets squad that was without their two best players.

I'll bet the Spurs haven't reduced ticket prices for this season, though. G League Hoops at big-league prices!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 09:20:59 AM
Zion with a nice opening game.  Tremendous power and quickness.

Simmons was apparently an unmitigated disaster.  Nash said he was rusty.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 20, 2022, 09:38:55 AM
Zion with a nice opening game.  Tremendous power and quickness.

Simmons was apparently an unmitigated disaster.  Nash said he was rusty.

Yeah, he'll have to shake off the rust so he can get back to his career 3-point and FT-shooting form, not to mention all the postseason success he's orchestrated.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on October 20, 2022, 09:44:44 AM
Interesting story how Kyrie Irving burst onto the college recruiting radar
https://www.basketballnetwork.net/old-school/austin-rivers-on-how-an-unknown-kyrie-irving-schooled-the-top-players-in-the-nation (https://www.basketballnetwork.net/old-school/austin-rivers-on-how-an-unknown-kyrie-irving-schooled-the-top-players-in-the-nation)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on October 20, 2022, 07:00:08 PM
So it’s been a quarter, aren’t we due a Muggsy over reaction?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 07:33:08 PM
So it’s been a quarter, aren’t we due a Muggsy over reaction?

I missed most of the first half but clearly Holiday needs to shoot better.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 07:45:12 PM
Two bomeheaded plays by Grayson Allen.  Move the freaking ball. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 07:51:30 PM
I'd like to see Giannis post Tucker instead of playing PG.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 08:20:24 PM
No idea why Budenholzer doesn't have Holiday on Harden. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 08:26:01 PM
Complete meltdown by the Bucks. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 08:35:26 PM
Brutal half-court offense by Milwaukee.  No idea what Budenholzer is doing and why Giannis is playing 35 feet from the rim.   Inexcusable. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 08:54:25 PM
Huge shot by Wesley!  The Bucks were atrocious in the 4Q but somehow still won.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 20, 2022, 09:02:25 PM
So it’s been a quarter, aren’t we due a Muggsy over reaction?

Come on. This is the BIGGEST game of the year so far.

A loss tonite and the Bucks season is in jeopardy.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 09:11:43 PM
Jay Wright to the Sixers by December?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on October 20, 2022, 11:28:29 PM
Brutal half-court offense by Milwaukee.  No idea what Budenholzer is doing and why Giannis is playing 35 feet from the rim.   Inexcusable.

They're not playing with a full deck, Muggs. Having Middleton and Connaughton healthy changes everything for their offense with the space they create.

Helluva defensive effort tonight. They're gonna have to grind some games out this first month, but this was a really satisfying win.

And how about that Matthews guy?!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 11:49:37 PM
This Lakers team is a disaster. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 11:51:00 PM
They're not playing with a full deck, Muggs. Having Middleton and Connaughton healthy changes everything for their offense with the space they create.

Helluva defensive effort tonight. They're gonna have to grind some games out this first month, but this was a really satisfying win.

And how about that Matthews guy?!

I know that but they played an unusually bad 4th quarter.  Holiday had a very rough game.  But a win is a win so I'm probably overreacting. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 20, 2022, 11:57:59 PM
How about these stat lines:

The Lakers are 19-85 from three in two games. 

Westbrook and Beverly were 1-18 tonight.

Anthony Davis has a total of zero assists in 2 games.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 21, 2022, 05:21:49 AM
I missed most of the first half but clearly Holiday needs to shoot better.
Inexcusable
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 21, 2022, 06:13:12 AM
I know that but they played an unusually bad 4th quarter.  Holiday had a very rough game.  But a win is a win so I'm probably overreacting.

Fold the franchise
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 21, 2022, 06:57:05 AM
I'm probably overreacting.

You? Nah!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 21, 2022, 08:27:14 AM
The fact that the Bucks won with Holiday going 2-15 is pretty amazing.  I think Giannis is being a bit cautious with Middleton out to start the year.  Ideally he should be more aggressive.  I'd like to see him way more in the wide post in lieu of dribbling full court to start the offense. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 21, 2022, 08:39:44 AM
The fact that the Bucks won with Holiday going 2-15 is pretty amazing.  I think Giannis is being a bit cautious with Middleton out to start the year.  Ideally he should be more aggressive.  I'd like to see him way more in the wide post in lieu of dribbling full court to start the offense.

They need to fire Bud.  Would love to see them hire Brian Wardle
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 21, 2022, 08:40:49 AM
The fact that the Bucks won with Holiday going 2-15 is pretty amazing.  I think Giannis is being a bit cautious with Middleton out to start the year.  Ideally he should be more aggressive.  I'd like to see him way more in the wide post in lieu of dribbling full court to start the offense.

The bench came through, out scoring the Philly bench 29-13. 12-24 FG, 5-13 3FG, 60.4% eFG.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 21, 2022, 08:47:51 AM
The bench came through, out scoring the Philly bench 29-13. 12-24 FG, 5-13 3FG, 60.4% eFG.

And Embiid was a complete disaster.  I believe he had zero points in the 2nd half. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 21, 2022, 09:24:47 AM
Brian Wardle

Reminds me of Diener.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 21, 2022, 09:30:02 AM
Reminds me of Diener.
And by the transitive property, Kolek.  Ergo, hire Kolek.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 21, 2022, 07:13:46 PM
And by the transitive property, Kolek.  Ergo, hire Kolek.
BLASPHAMY!

Saint Travis and TK in the same post? You know better.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on October 21, 2022, 07:33:28 PM
Herro is a lot of fun to watch. He's got a lot of tricks in his bag.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 21, 2022, 10:20:05 PM
Morant apparently decided to drop 49 this evening in 31 mins (17-26/5-6 from 3).
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 22, 2022, 08:58:32 PM
This Sixers team has big time problems. Embiid & Harden together isn’t going to end well.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 22, 2022, 10:07:55 PM
This Sixers team has big time problems. Embiid & Harden together isn’t going to end well.

How long will Doc last?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 22, 2022, 10:31:23 PM
Morant apparently decided to drop 49 this evening in 31 mins (17-26/5-6 from 3).

He apparently decided to drop only 20 tonight as the Grizz lost by 1000 pts.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 22, 2022, 10:43:37 PM
He apparently decided to drop only 20 tonight as the Grizz lost by 1000 pts.

GIannis had 44 on 17-21 so it's not all bad. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 23, 2022, 07:04:28 AM
GIannis had 44 on 17-21 so it's not all bad. 

Rockets are terrible and had no one who could guard him. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 23, 2022, 07:11:20 AM
How long will Doc last?

He’s already lasted too long. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 23, 2022, 09:02:33 AM
Rockets are terrible and had no one who could guard him.

True and they want Wemby. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 23, 2022, 05:40:03 PM
Did Bouknight not get suspended?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 23, 2022, 07:42:45 PM
I believe that New Orleans has the Lakers' pick in 2023?  As constituted the Lakers will be lucky to make the play-in tournament. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 23, 2022, 07:50:14 PM
I believe that New Orleans has the Lakers' pick in 2023?  As constituted the Lakers will be lucky to make the play-in tournament. 

The Pels have the right to swap picks with the Lakers in 2023 and then choose either their 2024 or 25 pick.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 23, 2022, 07:57:27 PM
The Pels have the right to swap picks with the Lakers in 2023 and then choose either their 2024 or 25 pick.

If they choose not to swap picks then they can do so in 2024 and 2025?  Obviously they will swap immediately if Wemby is in play.  :)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 23, 2022, 08:03:33 PM
If they choose not to swap picks then they can do so in 2024 and 2025?  Obviously they will swap immediately if Wemby is in play.  :)

No they can only swap this year if they want.

Then they can either get their ‘24 or ‘25 pick.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 23, 2022, 08:19:29 PM
I believe that New Orleans has the Lakers' pick in 2023?  As constituted the Lakers will be lucky to make the play-in tournament.

The fact that they are 0-3 so far is pretty impressive. They have 3 first ballot HOF players on the roster.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 23, 2022, 08:21:07 PM
https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1584350355042680832?s=46&t=XskHbJOJqKbNxjnQ4UzlCw
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 23, 2022, 08:29:49 PM
https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1584350355042680832?s=46&t=XskHbJOJqKbNxjnQ4UzlCw

I don't blame him for shooting the ball there. They were up 1. He had a wide open 12 ft jump shot with 30 s left and 18 seconds left on the shot clock.

They weren't going to get a better look, and it made sure they got a 2 for 1. Had he made it. They are up 3, and Portland can only tie, with the Lakers then having a shot to win with ~6 seconds left in regulation.

If he misses, Portland still needs to score to take the lead, and the Lakers would still have a chance with ~6 seconds left in regulation to win.

If he doesn't take the wide open 12 ft jump shot. They are likely going to end up with an end of the shot clock contested desperation shot, and give it back to Portland with 13 seconds left for the opportunity to win.

The shot wasn't bad. The only question mark is should he have been the one taking the ball up and taking the shot there.

It is clear that Russ is unhappy there. The whole team is a mess. Lebron plays zero defense and blames everyone else. Davis isn't really back to his former MVP level, and Russ is miscast, he is best controlling the entire offense which will not ever happen on the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 23, 2022, 08:32:09 PM
You don’t go for a two for one there. There is a reason no one has shot a shot like this in four years.

A tie? Yes. But the better play here is to run it down. A miss gives Portland a shorter clock so you D it up.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 23, 2022, 08:48:39 PM
You don’t go for a two for one there. There is a reason no one has shot a shot like this in four years.

A tie? Yes. But the better play here is to run it down. A miss gives Portland a shorter clock so you D it up.

Technically no one still has, since more than 30 s were on the clock when he shot it.

Also, yeah, set the defense up that failed to stop Lilliard from drilling a 3 to take the lead. Then after it was tied up again, Lebron let Jerami Grant get an easy lay-up, playing defense like his feet were made out of lead.

They lost the game, because they played crap defense down the stretch...but let's blame Westbrook for taking a wide open shot.

They were up 102-95 with 2 minutes left and couldn't stop them on any possessions. Lost 106-104.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 23, 2022, 10:21:53 PM
No they can only swap this year if they want.

Then they can either get their ‘24 or ‘25 pick.

Of course they will swap.  New Orleans is likely in the 3-6:seed range. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 23, 2022, 10:23:15 PM
Did Bouknight not get suspended?

He has not been suspended, no. He has played in all 3 games.

Not sure if the NBA and/or Hornets are waiting for a resolution of this latest arrest, or if they just don't care that much about this particular infraction.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 23, 2022, 10:24:35 PM
WWWD by year three?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 23, 2022, 10:32:01 PM
I've noticed that Johnny Davis hasn't played a single minute for Washington.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Dickthedribbler on October 23, 2022, 11:38:52 PM
I've noticed that Johnny Davis hasn't played a single minute for Washington.

Also if what I saw was correct, in 5 pre-season games, he played a total of 67 minutes, scoring 10 points-------6 free throws and 2 baskets. I have seen some suggestion of an injury, but not much detail.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 12:14:16 AM
Also if what I saw was correct, in 5 pre-season games, he played a total of 67 minutes, scoring 10 points-------6 free throws and 2 baskets. I have seen some suggestion of an injury, but not much detail.

It doesn't appear he has an injury which basically means he's unplayable for right now?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 24, 2022, 02:54:08 AM
https://youtu.be/9N9-GrLzaZQ

I remember Rich Paul talking about how AD makes his teammates better in a way that Giannis does not after the Lakers won the Micky Mouse title. The dude has 3 assists in 3 games this year and I think he had the lowest 3 point percentage of any qualified shooter in the NBA last year. I loved that they had him guard Giannis one on one in the two Bucks/Lakers matchups last year because people consider him DPOY caliber. Giannis averaged something like 41 points on 86% shooting or something absurd. AD played years with Jrue in NO and the only time they won a Playoff series was when Jrue carried the team. Jrue then goes to the Bucks and wins a title year one, playing horrible offensively for a number of games in the Playoffs.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 24, 2022, 03:49:55 AM
Technically no one still has, since more than 30 s were on the clock when he shot it.

Also, yeah, set the defense up that failed to stop Lilliard from drilling a 3 to take the lead. Then after it was tied up again, Lebron let Jerami Grant get an easy lay-up, playing defense like his feet were made out of lead.

They lost the game, because they played crap defense down the stretch...but let's blame Westbrook for taking a wide open shot.

They were up 102-95 with 2 minutes left and couldn't stop them on any possessions. Lost 106-104.

Wasn’t “blaming” him for the loss. Just that it was a terrible shot from a guy who was shooting poorly.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 07:29:42 AM
https://youtu.be/9N9-GrLzaZQ

I remember Rich Paul talking about how AD makes his teammates better in a way that Giannis does not after the Lakers won the Micky Mouse title. The dude has 3 assists in 3 games this year and I think he had the lowest 3 point percentage of any qualified shooter in the NBA last year. I loved that they had him guard Giannis one on one in the two Bucks/Lakers matchups last year because people consider him DPOY caliber. Giannis averaged something like 41 points on 86% shooting or something absurd. AD played years with Jrue in NO and the only time they won a Playoff series was when Jrue carried the team. Jrue then goes to the Bucks and wins a title year one, playing horrible offensively for a number of games in the Playoffs.

Great points.  I think about 8/10 people think the "bubble title" is an asterisk title. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 24, 2022, 07:34:18 AM
Great points.  I think about 8/10 people think the "bubble title" is an asterisk title. 

No one should think that.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 07:42:53 AM
No one should think that.

It's definitely different.  Anthony Davis appeared to feel less pressure.  This Lakers team is pretty much a dumpster 🔥.   I feel for Darvin Ham.   I'm not sure Westbrook will be in the league much longer. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 24, 2022, 07:46:45 AM
It was different, but every team faced the same circumstances. The Lakers won it. No asterisk needed.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 08:01:55 AM
Maybe Lebron doesn't play D anymore but the guy is still one of the best offensive players in the league.  As constructed that team may win 40 games.  Would they move Davis?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on October 24, 2022, 08:18:12 AM
If LeBron and the Lakers didn’t win the championship in the Bubble, would anyone be making asterisk arguments?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 24, 2022, 08:19:22 AM
Maybe Lebron doesn't play D anymore but the guy is still one of the best offensive players in the league.  As constructed that team may win 40 games.  Would they move Davis?

As I sit here, not knowing cap hit, what he could bring, how "trade-able" he is, etc, I'd definitely consider moving Davis if I ran the Lakers.

Big salary, often injured, never came close to winning squat when not teamed with LeBron.

One way or another, the Lakers are going to have to completely remake themselves in a year or two. If they could get a good haul for Davis, they could get a nice head start. That might piss off LeBron ... but tough crap.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 24, 2022, 08:51:34 AM
If LeBron and the Lakers didn’t win the championship in the Bubble, would anyone be making asterisk arguments?

Probably not. I mean, the Bucks winning in the bubble would have been awesome because it was a championship. But 2021 was SOOOO much better. So I get why people feel it is different, but that doesn't mean its not legit.

Baylor's title was won fair and square too, but do people think that comes with an asterisk?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 24, 2022, 09:24:58 AM
The Lakers might have the worst roster in the NBA.  Lebron will still get his stats, but he's not quite the dominant force he used to be.  Anthony Davis is still solid.  But after those two, just an absolute void of talent.

Lonnie Walker IV has probably been the third best Laker this season and I don't think he's a rotation player for any title contenders. Yikes!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on October 24, 2022, 09:55:59 AM
Shams reporting Bucks are working on a deal to bring Jae Crowder to Milwaukee. Please make it so.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: jficke13 on October 24, 2022, 10:13:59 AM
The Lakers might have the worst roster in the NBA.  Lebron will still get his stats, but he's not quite the dominant force he used to be.  Anthony Davis is still solid.  But after those two, just an absolute void of talent.

Lonnie Walker IV has probably been the third best Laker this season and I don't think he's a rotation player for any title contenders. Yikes!

I feel like you of all people should not stand for such Juan Toscano Anderson slander.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 10:25:59 AM
Shams reporting Bucks are working on a deal to bring Jae Crowder to Milwaukee. Please make it so.

That would be awesome.  But who would they have to give up?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on October 24, 2022, 10:26:50 AM
That would be awesome.  But who would they have to give up?

I think Grayson Allen would be involved.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 10:28:54 AM
If LeBron and the Lakers didn’t win the championship in the Bubble, would anyone be making asterisk arguments?

I still think some would make the asterisk argument Cheebs but probably not as many. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 10:29:35 AM
I think Grayson Allen would be involved.

Allen has been disappointing. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2022, 10:31:46 AM
That would be awesome.  But who would they have to give up?

Jrue
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on October 24, 2022, 10:32:30 AM
That would be awesome.  But who would they have to give up?

Allen is the rumor. He's an adequate bench player, but his defense is really lacking and he just vanished in the playoffs last year after the Chicago series.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 10:34:34 AM
Allen is the rumor. He's an adequate bench player, but his defense is really lacking and he just vanished in the playoffs last year after the Chicago series.

He's a considerably better shooter but when they needed him vs Boston he was basically a no show.  Jae's ability to defend would be an asset for Milwaukee.  Essentially he would play the Tucker role.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 10:35:31 AM
If Ingles is healthy that would help too.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 24, 2022, 10:46:41 AM
If I knew Ingles was healthy and good I’d give up Allen for Crowder. But as it is that makes the shooting worse on the Bucks, and shooting is they key. The Bucks got smoked from behind the ark in the C’s series. Yes, Allen stunk offensively and defensively in that series. But he was being asked to play a much bigger role than he’s needed to when the roster is healthy. He’s very good for what he needs to be, and with the addition of Ingles there’s more options if teams are attacking him defensively. If Middleton stays healthy last year, there’s a very good chance Grayson is a solid contributor for a title team.

Also, they want a guy who can “shut down” players like KD come Playoff time like PJ Tucker did. KD had a historically great scoring series against the Bucks. Nobody really shuts those guys down.

Regarding the Mickey Mouse title, it’s still a title, but just look at the teams that advanced and how they shot the ball. Jimmy, Jae, Duncan all shot WAY over their heads in the bubble compared to their career numbers. Same with Rondo and AD with the Lakers. It was very different there.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2022, 10:54:09 AM
If I knew Ingles was healthy and good I’d give up Allen for Crowder. But as it is that makes the shooting worse on the Bucks, and shooting is they key. The Bucks got smoked from behind the ark in the C’s series. Yes, Allen stunk offensively and defensively in that series. But he was being asked to play a much bigger role than he’s needed to when the roster is healthy. He’s very good for what he needs to be, and with the addition of Ingles there’s more options if teams are attacking him defensively. If Middleton stays healthy last year, there’s a very good chance Grayson is a solid contributor for a title team.

Also, they want a guy who can “shut down” players like KD come Playoff time like PJ Tucker did. KD had a historically great scoring series against the Bucks. Nobody really shuts those guys down.

Regarding the Mickey Mouse title, it’s still a title, but just look at the teams that advanced and how they shot the ball. Jimmy, Jae, Duncan all shot WAY over their heads in the bubble compared to their career numbers. Same with Rondo and AD with the Lakers. It was very different there.

It’s hard to get smoked behind a giant ark, too.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 11:02:12 AM
If I knew Ingles was healthy and good I’d give up Allen for Crowder. But as it is that makes the shooting worse on the Bucks, and shooting is they key. The Bucks got smoked from behind the ark in the C’s series. Yes, Allen stunk offensively and defensively in that series. But he was being asked to play a much bigger role than he’s needed to when the roster is healthy. He’s very good for what he needs to be, and with the addition of Ingles there’s more options if teams are attacking him defensively. If Middleton stays healthy last year, there’s a very good chance Grayson is a solid contributor for a title team.

Also, they want a guy who can “shut down” players like KD come Playoff time like PJ Tucker did. KD had a historically great scoring series against the Bucks. Nobody really shuts those guys down.

Regarding the Mickey Mouse title, it’s still a title, but just look at the teams that advanced and how they shot the ball. Jimmy, Jae, Duncan all shot WAY over their heads in the bubble compared to their career numbers. Same with Rondo and AD with the Lakers. It was very different there.

I don't think it's a no brainer trade.  I probably trust Crowder a bit more than Allen but shooting may be more important?  I dunno.  Could Nwora turn the corner?  He's a pretty good scorer.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on October 24, 2022, 11:35:53 AM
Wades - that strikes me as a good breakdown of the pros and cons, particularly on offense.  Is there any overlap between Giannis and Crowder on defense, and could another ancillary part of this be shifting some of Giannis's defensive load onto Crowder to keep him fresher and/or more available to roam and protect the rim?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 24, 2022, 12:16:08 PM
I'd make that trade in a second.  With Jae you get a guy who can guard on the perimeter, who hustles and hit an occasional shot.  He slides nicely into the PJ Tucker role from two seasons ago.  With Connaughton, Middleton, Holiday, Lopez, and even an occasional Portis, they have plenty of guys who can hit threes.

Oh and last year, Jae hit them at a 38.9% clip, taking 6.3 a game.  Allen was 40.9% at 5.9 per game.  Not much of a difference.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on October 24, 2022, 02:44:56 PM
These clips going around of the Lakers-Blazers game last night are great.  Nurkic walking away from AD about to pull up from 3, Russ Time being the opposite of Dame Time.  This Lakers team is no bueno.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on October 24, 2022, 02:56:59 PM
I'd make that trade in a second.  With Jae you get a guy who can guard on the perimeter, who hustles and hit an occasional shot.  He slides nicely into the PJ Tucker role from two seasons ago.  With Connaughton, Middleton, Holiday, Lopez, and even an occasional Portis, they have plenty of guys who can hit threes.

I'll disagree with this. I think Wes already does a bunch of that stuff for the Bucks. Where they have really struggled is creating halfcourt offense in the playoffs. Allen is a smart cutter and can put the ball on the deck and create better than Jae. Certainly a downgrade defensively, but that end of the floor isn't an area they need to upgrade too much.

Bucks have too many stationary dudes on the perimeter. Rather than add one more with Jae, I'd rather them find someone who can break down a defense.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 24, 2022, 05:46:31 PM
Allen is the rumor. He's an adequate bench player, but his defense is really lacking and he just vanished in the playoffs last year after the Chicago series.

Brew, here is a comment from Eric Nehn who coves the Bucks for The Athletic:

Moving Allen, which appears to absolutely necessary in a deal for Crowder from a contract perspective, would take one of the Bucks’ best shooters off the roster and add a player that is instead an average shooter. While some might question Allen’s status as an elite 3-point shooter after attempting only 24 3s in seven games against the Celtics and making just 20.8 percent of those attempts, the criticism itself provides the answer. Allen struggled in that series because the Celtics viewed him as a threat. They chased him around screens and actively ran him off the 3-point line because they knew he could hurt them.

While Crowder has certainly had strong shooting performances in playoff series, teams don’t seem to care whether or not he takes 3-pointers. When Giannis Antetokounmpo is one of your primary creators, this can be a major problem. Every inch of space a defense uses to guard an elite shooter is exponentially more important in Milwaukee because those inches widen gaps for Antetokounmpo to puncture and weaken the overall strength of the wall trying to keep him from the rim.


I tend to agree with this, but it would certainly depend on the Playoff opponent. Jae could be more valuable against certain teams. It is strange though, that the Suns want no part of him even when he is still under contract..
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2022, 05:48:31 PM
Brew, here is a comment from Eric Nehn who coves the Bucks for The Athletic:

Moving Allen, which appears to absolutely necessary in a deal for Crowder from a contract perspective, would take one of the Bucks’ best shooters off the roster and add a player that is instead an average shooter. While some might question Allen’s status as an elite 3-point shooter after attempting only 24 3s in seven games against the Celtics and making just 20.8 percent of those attempts, the criticism itself provides the answer. Allen struggled in that series because the Celtics viewed him as a threat. They chased him around screens and actively ran him off the 3-point line because they knew he could hurt them.

While Crowder has certainly had strong shooting performances in playoff series, teams don’t seem to care whether or not he takes 3-pointers. When Giannis Antetokounmpo is one of your primary creators, this can be a major problem. Every inch of space a defense uses to guard an elite shooter is exponentially more important in Milwaukee because those inches widen gaps for Antetokounmpo to puncture and weaken the overall strength of the wall trying to keep him from the rim.


I tend to agree with this, but it would certainly depend on the Playoff opponent. Jae could be more valuable against certain teams. It is strange though, that the Suns want no part of him even when he is still under contract..

If he hadn’t played at Marquette, just about all Bucks fans would pass on this deal
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 24, 2022, 08:03:00 PM
Brew, here is a comment from Eric Nehn who coves the Bucks for The Athletic:

Moving Allen, which appears to absolutely necessary in a deal for Crowder from a contract perspective, would take one of the Bucks’ best shooters off the roster and add a player that is instead an average shooter. While some might question Allen’s status as an elite 3-point shooter after attempting only 24 3s in seven games against the Celtics and making just 20.8 percent of those attempts, the criticism itself provides the answer. Allen struggled in that series because the Celtics viewed him as a threat. They chased him around screens and actively ran him off the 3-point line because they knew he could hurt them.

While Crowder has certainly had strong shooting performances in playoff series, teams don’t seem to care whether or not he takes 3-pointers. When Giannis Antetokounmpo is one of your primary creators, this can be a major problem. Every inch of space a defense uses to guard an elite shooter is exponentially more important in Milwaukee because those inches widen gaps for Antetokounmpo to puncture and weaken the overall strength of the wall trying to keep him from the rim.


I tend to agree with this, but it would certainly depend on the Playoff opponent. Jae could be more valuable against certain teams. It is strange though, that the Suns want no part of him even when he is still under contract..

Interesting perspective.  As I stated it's not a no brainer trade.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 25, 2022, 10:57:20 AM
I feel like you of all people should not stand for such Juan Toscano Anderson slander.

Juan deserves major props for making the NBA. An incredible story.

But he was an end of the bench player for the defending champs.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: warriorstrack on October 25, 2022, 11:51:22 AM
Sorry if reported elsewhere, Bucks looking at Jae Crowder, sounds good to me but might have to give up too much to get him
https://theathletic.com/3724551/2022/10/24/bucks-jae-crowder-trade/ (https://theathletic.com/3724551/2022/10/24/bucks-jae-crowder-trade/)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 25, 2022, 03:25:16 PM
Bucks played 2 games in he first 8 days of the season, then play 7 games in 11 days.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 25, 2022, 10:35:58 PM
I'm not sure Klay Thompson will ever get completely back. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 25, 2022, 11:22:05 PM
The GSW v. Suns game may be one of the worst officiated games I've ever watched.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2022, 11:45:34 PM
Portland is going to be a really fun team to watch. The ideal Buzz team - full of switchables.

Dame is still Dame and Shaedon Sharpe is gonna be a star in this league once he gets a couple years under his belt.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 26, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Booker is a heck of a scorer .  I still cannot believe that team lost to Dallas last year.   
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 26, 2022, 07:40:26 PM
Pretty dismal quarter for the Bucks other than Portis.  Allen 0-6 on wide open shots.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 26, 2022, 09:16:02 PM
The best basketball player in the world took the Nets behind the woodshed in the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 26, 2022, 09:43:14 PM
The best basketball player in the world took the Nets behind the woodshed in the fourth quarter.

Did Antetokounmpo have 33 in the 2nd half?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 26, 2022, 09:58:39 PM
Did Antetokounmpo have 33 in the 2nd half?

34
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Post by: MuggsyB on October 26, 2022, 10:00:58 PM
34

13-15 isn't bad either.  :)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 26, 2022, 10:03:26 PM
SImmons is kind of a black hole offensively.  He basically can only score two feet fron the rim and in transition. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on October 26, 2022, 11:24:37 PM
Found out like 30 minutes before the tip that Heat were 0-4 vs spread and Blazers 4-0 against it.

Heat did not disappoint.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 27, 2022, 09:02:55 AM
SImmons is kind of a black hole offensively.  He basically can only score two feet fron the rim and in transition.

Never recovered from Rowsey trash talking him.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 27, 2022, 09:14:30 AM
SImmons is kind of a black hole offensively.  He basically can only score two feet fron the rim and in transition.

He had a nice drive and cut to the hoop where he missed a simple finger roll...then shanked an uncontested tip attempt.  He's beyond the yips, he's just broken
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: BM1090 on October 27, 2022, 12:28:00 PM
Portland is going to be a really fun team to watch. The ideal Buzz team - full of switchables.

Dame is still Dame and Shaedon Sharpe is gonna be a star in this league once he gets a couple years under his belt.

I'll believe in Portland when they show something for more than a week. Lillard and CJ are more effective players now that they aren't sharing a backcourt, but Lillard has always been more entertaining than successful.

I can't see them finishing better than 6th in the West or making it out of the first round.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 27, 2022, 12:38:48 PM
I'll believe in Portland when they show something for more than a week. Lillard and CJ are more effective players now that they aren't sharing a backcourt, but Lillard has always been more entertaining than successful.

I can't see them finishing better than 6th in the West or making it out of the first round.

They've always had incomplete rosters.  As someone who loves Dame, its kind of frustrating to watch.

Also not at all sold on Billups as a coach.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on October 27, 2022, 01:05:37 PM
Long thought the best team Dame had was in 2015. They were cruising before Wes tore his achilles. Finished 10-12 and got beat in the first round.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2022, 01:13:36 PM
I'll believe in Portland when they show something for more than a week. Lillard and CJ are more effective players now that they aren't sharing a backcourt, but Lillard has always been more entertaining than successful.

I can't see them finishing better than 6th in the West or making it out of the first round.

I think you are right. My comment was that they will be a very entertaining team to watch not that they are going to win enough to be a contender. I think Sharpe is the 2nd most talented guy on the team, but he is a rookie who hasn't played since HS, so their time hasn't come yet.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 27, 2022, 03:10:22 PM
Lost in Antetokounmpo's dominance, and attacking power game, is that Holiday and Grayson Allen have been utterly brutal on the offensive end shooting the basketball.  33% and 24%??  WTF?  On open shots?  They need to wake up.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2022, 04:25:55 PM
Lost in Antetokounmpo's dominance, and attacking power game, is that Holiday and Grayson Allen have been utterly brutal on the offensive end shooting the basketball.  33% and 24%??  WTF?  On open shots?  They need to wake up.

Trade him
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 27, 2022, 04:27:43 PM
Kolek 'em, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2022, 04:49:16 PM
Trade him

Obviously Giannis is refusing to share his secrets with those guys. Cut GA and everything else will sort itself out.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 27, 2022, 04:50:12 PM
I like how Giannis relentlessly attacks.  However, he's going to need these guys to hit some shots eventually.  An Allen trade could happen and it may not be for Crowder. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 27, 2022, 04:51:39 PM
I wonder if Wemby could become sort of a Giannis/Durant combo?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2022, 04:54:57 PM
I wonder if Wemby could become sort of a Giannis/Durant combo?

He reminds me of Diener
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 27, 2022, 05:39:45 PM
I wonder if Wemby could become sort of a Giannis/Durant combo?

He will never be Giannis-like.  His game will never be overpowering and physically outmatching people.  Durant comps are valid given his build and shooting ability for his size.  Giannis is broad and had the frame to put on serious size even when he was a slender 18 year old.  Wemby doesn't have that, just like Holmgren doesnt.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 27, 2022, 06:03:49 PM
He will never be Giannis-like.  His game will never be overpowering and physically outmatching people.  Durant comps are valid given his build and shooting ability for his size.  Giannis is broad and had the frame to put on serious size even when he was a slender 18 year old.  Wemby doesn't have that, just like Holmgren doesnt.

Giannis was pretty skinny when he came in the league.  I don't think Wemby has that downhill speed but could conceivably get a lot stronger.  I also think he's a much better athlete than Holmgren and far more fluid with the rock.  He's naturally a much better scorer imo.  Now it would be interesting if Wemby and Holmgren were on the same team.  I'd sign up for Wembanyama at 21-22.  He also may be still growing.  Off the subject,  I'll tell you someone who has really impressed me as a young gun:  Scottie Barnes.  What a great draft pick by Toronto. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 27, 2022, 07:48:06 PM
https://twitter.com/DevInTheLab/status/1585733742101831680?t=kNYjAyPegHvvH221s11NNA&s=01

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1585783737786277888?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Trade is going well for both sides so far!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 27, 2022, 08:08:22 PM
https://twitter.com/DevInTheLab/status/1585733742101831680?t=kNYjAyPegHvvH221s11NNA&s=01

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1585783737786277888?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Trade is going well for both sides so far!

Lol.  How do you airball a 3 footer at 6'10?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 27, 2022, 09:20:16 PM
Things could get pretty ugly in Brooklyn.  This is a team with significant problems that go well beyond Ben Simmons.  I'm not sure Nash will make it through this season.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 27, 2022, 10:07:29 PM
Huge half for Jimmy B.  20, 4, 4, and 3 thefts with zero turns. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2022, 10:29:23 PM
Things could get pretty ugly in Brooklyn.  This is a team with significant problems that go well beyond Ben Simmons.  I'm not sure Nash will make it through this season.

They have no Alpha.

They are a team that could really use a guy like Jae. He would only be the 4th or 5th best player, but they could really use his toughness.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 27, 2022, 10:40:06 PM
They have no Alpha.

They are a team that could really use a guy like Jae. He would only be the 4th or 5th best player, but they could really use his toughness.

Simmons looks lost to me.  Would Phoenix want him?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2022, 11:09:47 PM
Why?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 27, 2022, 11:13:57 PM
Not going way out on a limb here, but Luka will win MVP this year.

Giannis, Luka, and Ja may now be the Top 3 players in the NBA. Of course Jokic may have something to say about that.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 27, 2022, 11:14:34 PM
Huge half for Jimmy B.  20, 4, 4, and 3 thefts with zero turns.

Unfortunately for Jimmy, Steph is just in a different world.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 27, 2022, 11:49:03 PM
Not going way out on a limb here, but Luka will win MVP this year.

Giannis, Luka, and Ja may now be the Top 3 players in the NBA. Of course Jokic may have something to say about that.

Giannis is the best overall player in the association.  When you start comparing Doncic, Morant, and Jokic it gets really tough.  Doncic is ridiculously skilled and enormous for a lead guard. Jokic is tremendously underrated as an athlete.  The guy can do everything and may have the pieces around him this season.  Morant is without question the most electric player we have seen since Dwyane.  The guy has a different gear and has improved his jump shot a lot.  It's really tough but I would probably go:  Giannis, Jokic, Curry, Tatum, Morant, Doncic as my super 6.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 28, 2022, 04:49:53 AM
Things could get pretty ugly in Brooklyn.  This is a team with significant problems that go well beyond Ben Simmons.  I'm not sure Nash will make it through this season.

Nash should have been let go last year. He’s not been very good.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on October 28, 2022, 09:35:40 AM
Lost in Antetokounmpo's dominance, and attacking power game, is that Holiday and Grayson Allen have been utterly brutal on the offensive end shooting the basketball.  33% and 24%??  WTF?  On open shots?  They need to wake up.

It's been three games.

If they get, and stay, relatively healthy this Bucks team is really well-positioned to win a title. Defense has been awesome. Great chemistry and continuity. If they were to add, I'd like someone who can get to the rim, but they're in great shape.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on October 28, 2022, 11:04:12 AM
Giannis is the best overall player in the association.  When you start comparing Doncic, Morant, and Jokic it gets really tough.  Doncic is ridiculously skilled and enormous for a lead guard. Jokic is tremendously underrated as an athlete.  The guy can do everything and may have the pieces around him this season.  Morant is without question the most electric player we have seen since Dwyane.  The guy has a different gear and has improved his jump shot a lot.  It's really tough but I would probably go:  Giannis, Jokic, Curry, Tatum, Morant, Doncic as my super 6.
Not to sound xenophobic, but the Top 4 players in the NBA are not from the United States (Giannis-Greece, Doncic-Slovenia, Jokic-Serbia, Morant-Mars)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 28, 2022, 11:06:52 AM
Not to sound xenophobic, but the Top 4 players in the NBA are not from the United States (Giannis-Greece, Doncic-Slovenia, Jokic-Serbia, Morant-Mars)

Wembenyama - France.

Wait, have to wait 11 months for that.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2022, 11:11:51 AM
Not to sound xenophobic, but the Top 4 players in the NBA are not from the United States (Giannis-Greece, Doncic-Slovenia, Jokic-Serbia, Morant-Mars)

You can blame Obama for that
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 28, 2022, 12:50:23 PM
First, they're stealing our NBA jobs.

Then, they'll all be replacing us.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 28, 2022, 01:05:11 PM
Not to sound xenophobic, but the Top 4 players in the NBA are not from the United States (Giannis-Greece, Doncic-Slovenia, Jokic-Serbia, Morant-Mars)

I was thinking the same thing about the top players (add Embid to the list at #5, and he's from Cameroon). This was Stern's vision, to make the NBA a truly worldwide league. I don't think the game is better today than it was in the 80s (too many threes and a lack of D), but the skill and overall athleticism are better.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 28, 2022, 01:29:01 PM
I was thinking the same thing about the top players (add Embid to the list at #5, and he's from Cameroon). This was Stern's vision, to make the NBA a truly worldwide league. I don't think the game is better today than it was in the 80s (too many threes and a lack of D), but the skill and overall athleticism are better.

Ah yes, spoken from experience.  Remembers watching the game in the 80s, but too young to remember MU as the Warriors.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on October 28, 2022, 01:50:52 PM
Lakers are 0-4 against the spread and 0-4 on the year.

Some good value in taking them vs Minny tonight.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 28, 2022, 01:57:57 PM
I was thinking the same thing about the top players (add Embid to the list at #5, and he's from Cameroon). This was Stern's vision, to make the NBA a truly worldwide league. I don't think the game is better today than it was in the 80s (too many threes and a lack of D), but the skill and overall athleticism are better.

Anybody who thinks there is a lack of D now compared to the 1980s didn't watch a lot of basketball in the 1980s.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 28, 2022, 02:17:02 PM
ben simmons seems to be severely over-rated, not very good or rusty and not a good fit with the nets.  surely not worth the $35 million/year contract
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2022, 02:17:50 PM
Anybody who thinks there is a lack of D now compared to the 1980s didn't watch a lot of basketball in the 1980s.

Well, back in my day you could clothesline a dude and not get called for a foul
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 28, 2022, 02:18:12 PM
ben simmons seems to be severely over-rated, not very good or rusty and not a good fit with the nets.  surely not worth the $35 million/year contract

Dynamite drop, Montee
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2022, 02:22:37 PM
ben simmons seems to be severely over-rated, not very good or rusty and not a good fit with the nets.  surely not worth the $35 million/year contract



Kendall kicked his ass to da curb years ago. Maybe Brooklyn should due da same, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 28, 2022, 02:44:41 PM
I was thinking the same thing about the top players (add Embid to the list at #5, and he's from Cameroon). This was Stern's vision, to make the NBA a truly worldwide league. I don't think the game is better today than it was in the 80s (too many threes and a lack of D), but the skill and overall athleticism are better.

Lol lack of D.

Why not just say that you don't watch the NBA?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 28, 2022, 03:11:33 PM
Other than the Pistons, defense wasn't emphasized until the playoffs.   After the Pistons' run, the early to mid 90's saw the real uptick in physicality and playoff games finishing in the 70's.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 28, 2022, 03:19:07 PM
Other than the Pistons, defense wasn't emphasized until the playoffs.   After the Pistons' run, the early to mid 90's saw the real uptick in physicality and playoff games finishing in the 70's.

Yeah but I struggle to call that “good defense” like now. Freedom of movement is a thing now.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: BM1090 on October 28, 2022, 03:26:59 PM
Lakers are 0-4 against the spread and 0-4 on the year.

Some good value in taking them vs Minny tonight.

Lakers and Magic would be my two best plays if I were gambling tonight.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2022, 03:55:59 PM
Yeah but I struggle to call that “good defense” like now. Freedom of movement is a thing now.

1. But that is what a lot of us call good defense. There used to be a lot more physicality both on ball (hand-checks/steering), and off ball. It was part of the game for a long time, and removed for "freedom of movement" to create a more exciting and higher scoring game.

2. It might be that I don't remember it much, because you couldn't watch as many regular season games (only 2-3 channels) in the 80's, so much of what I remember is playoffs. But there is a lot more just standing and doing nothing, not even trying to get back on D, than I remember.

The latter could also be, because I've watched the Lakers a bunch this year and man, is there no effort on D at all by several of them.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 28, 2022, 04:04:08 PM
Ah yes, spoken from experience.  Remembers watching the game in the 80s, but too young to remember MU as the Warriors.

MU wasn’t a thing to me until I applied after the name had been changed. College Basketball was Michigan and the Fab Five for me as a kid, so why would I have known about MU as Warriors? Now, the Bad Boys Pistons, that started in the mid 80s

And then the 90’s Knicks and 2004 Pistons for real defense.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 28, 2022, 04:31:30 PM
MU wasn’t a thing to me until I applied after the name had been changed, why would I? Now, the Bad Boys Pistons….

And then the 90’s Knicks and 2004 Pistons.

Lol come on man.  I never even considered applying to St. John's or Syracuse but I remember clear as day when they were the Orangemen and the Redmen.

You purchased your first car in 1992 but hadn't even applied to college until after Marquette changed their name to Golden Eagles in May of 1994?  Did you buy your first vehicle at 12?

1982 Oldsmobile Fiernza. A white hatchback. 50,000 miles. Purchased in 1992 for $2000.

You get so caught in your own lies that you then try to twist yourself in pretzels and it's hilarious.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 28, 2022, 04:36:15 PM
1. But that is what a lot of us call good defense. There used to be a lot more physicality both on ball (hand-checks/steering), and off ball. It was part of the game for a long time, and removed for "freedom of movement" to create a more exciting and higher scoring game.

2. It might be that I don't remember it much, because you couldn't watch as many regular season games (only 2-3 channels) in the 80's, so much of what I remember is playoffs. But there is a lot more just standing and doing nothing, not even trying to get back on D, than I remember.

The latter could also be, because I've watched the Lakers a bunch this year and man, is there no effort on D at all by several of them.

The "physicality" removed added little to the game, IMO.  You want to watch body checks and clogged lanes with low scoring, watch mediocre HS basketball.   It doesn't even have to be run and gun 130 points a game Warriors offense, any good motion offense, even a Princeton style offense by teams that don't score a ton of points, is negatively impacted by hand checking and grabbing and "bodying" up people.

That being removed, "good" defense looks different.  Why waste the energy getting 18 inches from your man when they are athletic enough to slip by you on a cut, when you can understand spacing and passing lanes and intercept passes or deflect/angle in space.

I'm not accusing you of this, but some people that watched chest to chest defense in the 70s/80s can't fathom how you play good defense when you aren't running around constantly or in somebody's grill for 48 min.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 28, 2022, 05:47:23 PM
Lakers and Magic would be my two best plays if I were gambling tonight.

i'm going with a lot of unders
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 28, 2022, 05:53:43 PM
The "physicality" removed added little to the game, IMO.  You want to watch body checks and clogged lanes with low scoring, watch mediocre HS basketball.   It doesn't even have to be run and gun 130 points a game Warriors offense, any good motion offense, even a Princeton style offense by teams that don't score a ton of points, is negatively impacted by hand checking and grabbing and "bodying" up people.

That being removed, "good" defense looks different.  Why waste the energy getting 18 inches from your man when they are athletic enough to slip by you on a cut, when you can understand spacing and passing lanes and intercept passes or deflect/angle in space.

I'm not accusing you of this, but some people that watched chest to chest defense in the 70s/80s can't fathom how you play good defense when you aren't running around constantly or in somebody's grill for 48 min.

Nailed it.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2022, 06:36:49 PM
The "physicality" removed added little to the game, IMO.  You want to watch body checks and clogged lanes with low scoring, watch mediocre HS basketball.   It doesn't even have to be run and gun 130 points a game Warriors offense, any good motion offense, even a Princeton style offense by teams that don't score a ton of points, is negatively impacted by hand checking and grabbing and "bodying" up people.

That being removed, "good" defense looks different.  Why waste the energy getting 18 inches from your man when they are athletic enough to slip by you on a cut, when you can understand spacing and passing lanes and intercept passes or deflect/angle in space.

I'm not accusing you of this, but some people that watched chest to chest defense in the 70s/80s can't fathom how you play good defense when you aren't running around constantly or in somebody's grill for 48 min.

Not disagreeing with the gist of your post, but the bolded misrepresents hand checking/steering and the defenses of the 80's early 90's.

They definitely understood spacing and passing lanes. Hand checking/steering was just a way to control the ball handler, and direct him where you wanted them to go, often into a trap defense. The Pistons in particular excelled at this, and it was predicated upon spacing and getting into the passing lanes.

Also, the hand checking, and physicality was a way to exhaust and frustrate the offensive player and wear them down. In my opinion, it's why a lot of those guys didn't have the longevity of a lot of the players today.

I think you are also mixing on-ball defense (where hand checking matters) and off-ball defense, where you are trying to get in passing lanes. In many regards, the defenses in the 80's were better at the off ball aspects, as the 3-point shot hadn't been emphasized yet, so it was easier to sag into passing lanes and set up traps that limited ball handler penetration.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 28, 2022, 06:48:26 PM
The game was vastly different in the '80s and into the '90s. Big men ruled, and mid-range jumpers were the norm. The 3-pointer was still relatively rarely deployed, and certainly not as a primary weapon. Everything was different. Not necessarily "better" or "worse," but very different.

The greats of that era still would be great today, and the greats today would have flourished back then IMHO.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 28, 2022, 07:00:40 PM
The game was vastly different in the '80s and into the '90s. Big men ruled, and mid-range jumpers were the norm. The 3-pointer was still relatively rarely deployed, and certainly not as a primary weapon. Everything was different. Not necessarily "better" or "worse," but very different.

The greats of that era still would be great today, and the greats today would have flourished back then IMHO.


It was worse.  Much less free flowing.  The iso ball resulting from mandatory man to man defense?  Awful...

And yes the greats from then would be fine today.  The role players from back then would be hanging out in the G-League however.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 28, 2022, 07:19:20 PM
🔥 🔥 🔥 Alert:

Tyrese Maxey has 24 pts, 9-9, 6-6 from distance, with 7 mins left in the 2nd Q. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2022, 08:26:41 PM
He's on fire, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2022, 08:43:23 PM

It was worse.  Much less free flowing.  The iso ball resulting from mandatory man to man defense?  Awful...

And yes the greats from then would be fine today.  The role players from back then would be hanging out in the G-League however.

Yes, zones were "illegal defenses," but nearly all the teams played zone principles, e.g. 1-2-2 trap, and sometimes outright zones that just weren't officiated. It was the most inconsistently called aspect of the NBA.

I think the defensive 3 second rule was a bigger change to the game than allowing a zone.

The game was vastly different in the '80s and into the '90s. Big men ruled, and mid-range jumpers were the norm. The 3-pointer was still relatively rarely deployed, and certainly not as a primary weapon. Everything was different. Not necessarily "better" or "worse," but very different.

The greats of that era still would be great today, and the greats today would have flourished back then IMHO.

100% agree. Loved the game then, still love the game now.

Greatly appreciate the aspects of the game that were different then, and now, and appreciate how they shaped the game and the roles of the players playing the different positions.

It has honestly been pretty cool watching how the next generation of players (particularly big men) have adapted their game, similarly guys like Curry who have changed how the game is played.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2022, 08:48:01 PM



It has honestly been pretty cool watching how the next generation of players (particularly big men) have adapted their game, similarly guys like Curry who have changed how the game is played.

There are more great young players than I ever remember, as well.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 28, 2022, 08:56:51 PM
Yes, zones were "illegal defenses," but nearly all the teams played zone principles, e.g. 1-2-2 trap, and sometimes outright zones that just weren't officiated.

Yeah that’s just not an accurate statement.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2022, 09:15:51 PM
Yeah that’s just not an accurate statement.

We are going to have to disagree on this one. I tried to even give you the benefit of the doubt, and it was just many years clouding my memory. But a quick perusal of the internet confirms my memory of the game.

Here is one such example, from the SI vault from the 1982 championship.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1982/06/07/las-streak-goes-by-the-boards (https://vault.si.com/vault/1982/06/07/las-streak-goes-by-the-boards)

"What had been especially vexing to Philadelphia in the first game was the way the Laker running game had fed off its trapping defense (which is legal in the NBA) and its zone defense (which isn't). "They play a zone," Philadelphia Coach Billy Cunningham said on Saturday. "Trapping isn't illegal. We have traps, too—full-court, half-court, three-quarter-court."

Maybe back then you didn't understand the game well enough to see the "zone principles" in the trap defense that were employed, or how often flat out zones were being used and not called.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 28, 2022, 09:25:18 PM
I trust my memory and basketball knowledge more than I do yours. A couple examples that state otherwise don’t mean much to me.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 28, 2022, 10:31:19 PM
If you were the GM of the Lakers what would you do?  It seems to me they have very few options.  They may be the worst team in the league, consider how incredible that is?  They are paying three guys about 130M this season.  Also, if they do make the lottery NOLA gets their pick.  Is there any team that actually wants Westbrook because of his expiring contract?  Davis has three more years on his deal... is he worth rolling the dice for a semi contender? 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2022, 11:49:00 PM
If you were the GM of the Lakers what would you do?  It seems to me they have very few options.  They may be the worst team in the league, consider how incredible that is?  They are paying three guys about 130M this season.  Also, if they do make the lottery NOLA gets their pick.  Is there any team that actually wants Westbrook because of his expiring contract?  Davis has three more years on his deal... is he worth rolling the dice for a semi contender?

I'd try to trade Lebron for 3 point shooters.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 29, 2022, 07:11:25 AM
If you were the GM of the Lakers what would you do?  It seems to me they have very few options.  They may be the worst team in the league, consider how incredible that is?  They are paying three guys about 130M this season.  Also, if they do make the lottery NOLA gets their pick.  Is there any team that actually wants Westbrook because of his expiring contract?  Davis has three more years on his deal... is he worth rolling the dice for a semi contender?

Trade for Giannis.  Our ball expert said to peddle him years ago
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: reinko on October 29, 2022, 07:19:16 AM
I'd try to trade Lebron for 3 point shooters.

Not sure if this was in jest, but Lakers cannot trade him due to his contract (it forbids it)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 29, 2022, 07:44:16 AM
I'm wondering if anyone would try to get Anthony Davis?  I'm not sure he's tradeable either. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 29, 2022, 08:37:37 AM
Not sure if this was in jest, but Lakers cannot trade him due to his contract (it forbids it)

Yessir. If LeBron doesn't finish his contract playing in L.A., it will have been his choice. And the deal to trade him will have been one he has made.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 29, 2022, 09:37:02 AM
Kyrie with another wtf situation. Does he still believe the world is flat and dinosaurs didn't exist?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 29, 2022, 10:12:33 AM
The Lakers have sold their future for LeBron. Maybe the strategy was sound but the execution was awful. The Lakers have done everything for LeBron, maybe more than any team ever, and now he is claiming he is "taken for granted"

As awesome as LeBron is and as someone who does great things off the court, he keeps shooting his perception in the foot with PR fails.

The Lakers have not been run well lately, I believe 2 playoffs in the past 10 years; but they have a championship. Maybe the NBA will bail them out and force the Bucks to trade Giannis to them for a bag of used balls like they did with Pau Gasol. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on October 29, 2022, 11:07:47 AM
The Lakers have sold their future for LeBron. Maybe the strategy was sound but the execution was awful. The Lakers have done everything for LeBron, maybe more than any team ever, and now he is claiming he is "taken for granted"

As awesome as LeBron is and as someone who does great things off the court, he keeps shooting his perception in the foot with PR fails.

The Lakers have not been run well lately, I believe 2 playoffs in the past 10 years; but they have a championship. Maybe the NBA will bail them out and force the Bucks to trade Giannis to them for a bag of used balls like they did with Pau Gasol.

I agree with pretty much all of this.  The Lakers have basically agreed to let LeBron the GM take control of the franchise, and LeBron the GM's track record is awful.  Now they and LeBron are pretty much backed into a corner with no way out unless either (i) they agree to part ways to get LeBron to a better situation and someone bails out the Lakers as part of the return (seems unlikely bc LeBron with the Lakers is as much about positioning LeBron for post-basketball life as anything), or (ii) the league bails them out.  I also think an Adam Silver-led NBA is far less likely to pull some of the funny business that we saw under Stern's watch, but we will see.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on October 29, 2022, 12:07:54 PM
The Lakers have sold their future for LeBron. Maybe the strategy was sound but the execution was awful. The Lakers have done everything for LeBron, maybe more than any team ever, and now he is claiming he is "taken for granted"

As awesome as LeBron is and as someone who does great things off the court, he keeps shooting his perception in the foot with PR fails.

The Lakers have not been run well lately, I believe 2 playoffs in the past 10 years; but they have a championship. Maybe the NBA will bail them out and force the Bucks to trade Giannis to them for a bag of used balls like they did with Pau Gasol. 

Lol what whacky conspiracy theory are we making up now?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 29, 2022, 01:59:25 PM
Kyrie with another wtf situation. Does he still believe the world is flat and dinosaurs didn't exist?

Yes, he's a stupid person.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: ZaLiN on October 29, 2022, 02:25:19 PM
If you’re Portland do you do Shaedon Sharpe and picks for three years of KD? I think you do to get that last hurrah with Dame.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 29, 2022, 04:52:04 PM
Yes, he's a stupid person.



He's not stupid. Just an arrogant, certifiable, idiot, aina?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 29, 2022, 05:05:39 PM
Has Silver said anything about Kyrie's comments? 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 29, 2022, 05:08:01 PM
If you’re Portland do you do Shaedon Sharpe and picks for three years of KD? I think you do to get that last hurrah with Dame.

Portland would jump at it. KD and Dame would at least be championship contenders - though I personally wouldn't bet on them.

Terrible trade for the Nets, though. Sharpe is a couple years away from being a star and 1st round picks in the 20s are a dime a dozen.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 29, 2022, 05:13:48 PM
Irving is a self-proclaimed “free thinker”.

I think he meant that he is a "thought-free thinker"?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 29, 2022, 05:18:51 PM
Irving is a self-proclaimed “free thinker”.

I think he meant that he is a "thought-free thinker"?

Do Kyrie and Ye hang out together?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 29, 2022, 06:30:06 PM
Josh Primo did not do a great job of getting ahead of the narrative.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 29, 2022, 08:24:16 PM


He's not stupid. Just an arrogant, certifiable, idiot, aina?

I mean, what's the difference.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 29, 2022, 08:25:41 PM
Josh Primo did not do a great job of getting ahead of the narrative.

Victims of trauma tend to lash out and mimic the trauma they absorbed.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 29, 2022, 10:33:17 PM
I think we can begin the Nash watch.  I'd be surprised if he makes it past November. 

Good to hear that Jrue Holiday finally broke out.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 29, 2022, 10:44:21 PM
We need a trade to get KD and Lebron together. They are leading their teams to the NBA’s worst records.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 29, 2022, 11:03:48 PM
The Nets are almost as big of a disaster as the Lakers.  And the funny thing is Kyrie has actually looked really good.  SImmons isn't simply "rusty".  He's a shell of what he used to be and he was flawed before.  Now maybe he finds his game but he's not close to a 35m a year guy.  That team plays no defense, especially protecting the paint. 

Utah has a really interesting situation.  Obviously it's early but they are 5-2 and actually have a few ballers on that roster.  If Ainge truly wants to tank he's probably going to have to get rid of a few guys. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 29, 2022, 11:28:14 PM
It’s open season on the Jewish religion. Kyrie and Kanye are just the latest to pile on.

One of these days, Jews are gonna get pissed and blast all these famously anti-Semitic jocks, entertainers and politicians with their space laser.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 29, 2022, 11:33:18 PM
It’s open season on the Jewish religion. Kyrie and Kanye are just the latest to pile on.

One of these days, Jews are gonna get pissed and blast all these famously anti-Semitic jocks, entertainers and politicians with their space laser.

Kyrie. Ye. Musk. T..., oh, never mind.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 29, 2022, 11:47:42 PM
It’s open season on the Jewish religion. Kyrie and Kanye are just the latest to pile on.

One of these days, Jews are gonna get pissed and blast all these famously anti-Semitic jocks, entertainers and politicians with their space laser.

Where is Adam Silver?  Didn't Myers Leonard get suspended for his belittling remarks about Jews while he was playing a video game? Ye has a history of anti-semitic drivel.  I think Kyrie is confused about his overall influence.....and a lot of other things in general..  Don't worry about these guys MU82. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 30, 2022, 08:44:46 AM
Where is Adam Silver?  Didn't Myers Leonard get suspended for his belittling remarks about Jews while he was playing a video game? Ye has a history of anti-semitic drivel.  I think Kyrie is confused about his overall influence.....and a lot of other things in general..  Don't worry about these guys MU82.

Muggs, I'm not worried about those guys, and other individuals, per se. I'm worried that the people we're talking about are "influencers" and/or icons in their fields who are followed by millions.

Anti-Semitism never really went anywhere, but it's back with a fury in the United States. 5 years ago, Nazis took over Charlottesville and chanted, "Jews will not replace us." Things have only gotten worse since then, as many of our "leaders" have proclaimed that America is a "white Christian nation" and tolerance of others is at a multi-decade low.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/10/27/antisemitism-kanye-trump-adidas-jews/

Longtime watchdogs of antisemitism say there is nothing new about the kinds of derogatory comments about Jews that the rapper Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, former president Donald Trump, sundry far-right political candidates and others have made in recent weeks.

But what has struck some experts is how blatant the comments about Jews are at a time when incidents of harassment, vandalism and violence against them have been at their highest levels since at least the 1970s. Recent data already showed that a majority of American Jews fear violence against them.

“Empirically, something is different. The level of public animosity towards Jews is higher than it’s been in recent memory,” Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, said in an interview.

Experts said the climate is the product of a stew of forces including a digital culture that spreads misinformation and hate and right-wing political forces focused on protecting White Christians’ status. Some said current antisemitism is also aggravated by more people downplaying it as merely an interreligious issue instead of a dangerous form of racism; in the past majorities from Germany to America made clear they saw Jews as a distinct and inferior race.

To survivors of even the deadliest attack on Jews in U.S. history — the 2018 massacre at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh — the most urgent worry is that the event, which left 11 dead and at least six wounded, is already fading from public consciousness, crowded out by the dozens of mass shootings that followed.


This is the NBA thread, so that's all I'll have to say here. If we want to continue this conversation, it should have its own thread.

My next post here will attempt to get back to the subject at hand.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 30, 2022, 08:47:13 AM
Steph Curry is blaming himself for the Warriors' unlikely loss to the Hornets last night. He said he tried to play "hero ball" down the stretch in regulation, and it cost Golden State the game.

“I can get a way better look than that,” Curry said. “I got wrapped up in trying to ‘hero ball’ my way to a hometown buzzer-beater.”

Read more at: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/scott-fowler/article267889387.html#storylink=cpy

Charlotte beat the defending champs despite playing without its starting backcourt (Ball and Rozier), as well as without accused felon Miles Bridges. The Hornets also were playing the second of a back-to-back, having lost at previously winless Orlando on Friday.

GS figured to romp ... but didn't. Curry was 3-for-13 from deep.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 30, 2022, 08:50:50 AM
Muggs, I'm not worried about those guys, and other individuals, per se. I'm worried that the people we're talking about are "influencers" and/or icons in their fields who are followed by millions.

Anti-Semitism never really went anywhere, but it's back with a fury in the United States. 5 years ago, Nazis took over Charlottesville and chanted, "Jews will not replace us." Things have only gotten worse since then, as many of our "leaders" have proclaimed that America is a "white Christian nation" and tolerance of others is at a multi-decade low.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/10/27/antisemitism-kanye-trump-adidas-jews/

Longtime watchdogs of antisemitism say there is nothing new about the kinds of derogatory comments about Jews that the rapper Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, former president Donald Trump, sundry far-right political candidates and others have made in recent weeks.

But what has struck some experts is how blatant the comments about Jews are at a time when incidents of harassment, vandalism and violence against them have been at their highest levels since at least the 1970s. Recent data already showed that a majority of American Jews fear violence against them.

“Empirically, something is different. The level of public animosity towards Jews is higher than it’s been in recent memory,” Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, said in an interview.

Experts said the climate is the product of a stew of forces including a digital culture that spreads misinformation and hate and right-wing political forces focused on protecting White Christians’ status. Some said current antisemitism is also aggravated by more people downplaying it as merely an interreligious issue instead of a dangerous form of racism; in the past majorities from Germany to America made clear they saw Jews as a distinct and inferior race.

To survivors of even the deadliest attack on Jews in U.S. history — the 2018 massacre at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh — the most urgent worry is that the event, which left 11 dead and at least six wounded, is already fading from public consciousness, crowded out by the dozens of mass shootings that followed.


This is the NBA thread, so that's all I'll have to say here. If we want to continue this conversation, it should have its own thread.

My next post here will attempt to get back to the subject at hand.

Well, you're totally right.  Ye does have influence and antisemitism is definitely as bad as we have seen worldwide for many years.  I'm just surprised Adam Silver hasn't  said anything.  Anyway, back to NBA hoops.  I think the Bucks should try to snag Clarkson or Beasley from Utah. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 30, 2022, 10:02:06 AM
Well, you're totally right.  Ye does have influence and antisemitism is definitely as bad as we have seen worldwide for many years.  I'm just surprised Adam Silver hasn't  said anything.  Anyway, back to NBA hoops.  I think the Bucks should try to snag Clarkson or Beasley from Utah.

The Bucks will make a move at the deadline, but they’re looking pretty dang strong right now.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on October 30, 2022, 10:32:03 AM
The Nets are almost as big of a disaster as the Lakers.  And the funny thing is Kyrie has actually looked really good.  SImmons isn't simply "rusty".  He's a shell of what he used to be and he was flawed before.  Now maybe he finds his game but he's not close to a 35m a year guy.  That team plays no defense, especially protecting the paint.

Utah has a really interesting situation.  Obviously it's early but they are 5-2 and actually have a few ballers on that roster.  If Ainge truly wants to tank he's probably going to have to get rid of a few guys.

They both have the same fundamental problems. They each have two ball dominant stars, who need the ball in their hands constantly to play their game.

For whatever reason that possessed people in charge, they paired those two ball dominant stars with a 3rd star who is a non-scoring, poor shooting, ball dominant facilitator.

None of whom really care about defense (I actually think Kyrie and Durant put in considerably more effort on defense than Lebron and Westbrook).

It is a horrible setup for a team.

The Nets have Curry coming back, which should help matters, as he can help spread the court for Kyrie and Durant. But the biggest problem is the mentality and style of play of the central stars.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 30, 2022, 10:49:52 AM
The Bucks will make a move at the deadline, but they’re looking pretty dang strong right now.


I think they've played 4/5 home games. Their offense has been pretty sporadic and mediocre when I've watched them.
Their FGP's are quite low.   Obviously Middleton will help but Holiday needs to be more consistent shooting the rock.  Allen has not impressed me, perhaps Ingjes will help.  But if they can get a proven shooter and scorer at the 2G, in lieu of Allen,  I make that deal.  It could bring them to a dominant level imo. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 30, 2022, 10:54:33 AM
I think they've played 4/5 home games. Their offense has been pretty sporadic and mediocre when I've watched them.
Their FGP's are quite low.   Obviously Middleton will help but Holiday needs to be more consistent shooting the rock.  Allen has not impressed me, perhaps Ingjes will help.  But if they can get a proven shooter and scorer at the 2G, in lieu of Allen,  I make that deal.  It could bring them to a dominant level imo.

They’re down 3 of their top 4 options at the 2/3 right now (and 3 of their top 4 perimeter shooters) and they’re still looking very good. Their lineup flexibility when those three get healthy is pretty outstanding.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 30, 2022, 11:16:45 AM
They both have the same fundamental problems. They each have two ball dominant stars, who need the ball in their hands constantly to play their game.

For whatever reason that possessed people in charge, they paired those two ball dominant stars with a 3rd star who is a non-scoring, poor shooting, ball dominant facilitator.

None of whom really care about defense (I actually think Kyrie and Durant put in considerably more effort on defense than Lebron and Westbrook).

It is a horrible setup for a team.

The Nets have Curry coming back, which should help matters, as he can help spread the court for Kyrie and Durant. But the biggest problem is the mentality and style of play of the central stars.

This is what I’ve been saying all along. Especially about Durant. He’s always gonna score 30 or so a game, but even with Kyrie also scoring 30, they are only playoff contenders, not title contenders.

They each do one thing very well. But other than their scoring, they are pretty pedestrian players. Getting Curry back will probably help the team just because he is better than who he replaces but I don’t think he will affect KD or Kyrie’s game at all. They are already maxed out.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 30, 2022, 11:26:35 AM
They both have the same fundamental problems. They each have two ball dominant stars, who need the ball in their hands constantly to play their game.

For whatever reason that possessed people in charge, they paired those two ball dominant stars with a 3rd star who is a non-scoring, poor shooting, ball dominant facilitator.

None of whom really care about defense (I actually think Kyrie and Durant put in considerably more effort on defense than Lebron and Westbrook).

It is a horrible setup for a team.

The Nets have Curry coming back, which should help matters, as he can help spread the court for Kyrie and Durant. But the biggest problem is the mentality and style of play of the central stars.

Excellent post that definitely captures what's going on in both places.

They’re down 3 of their top 4 options at the 2/3 right now (and 3 of their top 4 perimeter shooters) and they’re still looking very good. Their lineup flexibility when those three get healthy is pretty outstanding.

Yessir. At most, the Bucks might need a slight upgrade to their role players. Oh, and of course they need good health for their stars, as does any team. But they are the class of the East IMHO.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 30, 2022, 11:35:04 AM
They’re down 3 of their top 4 options at the 2/3 right now (and 3 of their top 4 perimeter shooters) and they’re still looking very good. Their lineup flexibility when those three get healthy is pretty outstanding.

Oh, I forgot about Connaughton.  When are he, Middleton, and Ingles supposed to be back?  Ingles at one time was a pretty good overall player, not just a shooter.  It just annoys me that Allen can't make wide open shots.  He has one job. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on October 30, 2022, 11:37:10 AM
Oh, I forgot about Connaughton.  When are he, Middleton, and Ingles supposed to be back?  Ingles at one time was a pretty good overall player, not just a shooter.  It just annoys me that Allen can't make wide open shots.  He has one job.

He was great when Middleton was healthy last year. I have confidence he’ll shoot the lights out when he’s offensive option 5 as opposed to 3. He also puts the ball on the deck better than he gets credit for.

Pat and Khris should be back in the next couple weeks. Ingles should be back sometime in January.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 30, 2022, 12:01:38 PM
He was great when Middleton was healthy last year. I have confidence he’ll shoot the lights out when he’s offensive option 5 as opposed to 3. He also puts the ball on the deck better than he gets credit for.

Pat and Khris should be back in the next couple weeks. Ingles should be back sometime in January.

Perhaps I should be more patient.  It sounds like you think they should stand pat and you may be correct. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 30, 2022, 02:05:36 PM
Perhaps I should be more patient.

Yes, because you being impatient affects nothing except your stress level.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 30, 2022, 07:55:23 PM
I see the Clippers are 2-4.  I thought Kawhi was ready to go?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on October 31, 2022, 08:33:31 AM
This Cavs team is really fun to watch...they're definitely making me feel better about Bally's ridiculous $20/month price tag to be able to watch the games.* So far, Mitchell is lot better than I realized. It'll be fun to see how they play when Garland returns...hopefully before too long.


*Bally made it up to me a little bit by offering 50% off tickets to this Wednesday's games with no online fees (even though this was open to everyone...not just subscribers). That savings will pay for our subscription for about 50% of the season.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 31, 2022, 11:56:21 AM
This Cavs team is really fun to watch...they're definitely making me feel better about Bally's ridiculous $20/month price tag to be able to watch the games.* So far, Mitchell is lot better than I realized. It'll be fun to see how they play when Garland returns...hopefully before too long.


*Bally made it up to me a little bit by offering 50% off tickets to this Wednesday's games with no online fees (even though this was open to everyone...not just subscribers). That savings will pay for our subscription for about 50% of the season.

I don't see the price as a problem. I can watch Bucks and Brewers all year for the same cost as going to one Bucks game.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 31, 2022, 12:29:16 PM
I don't see the price as a problem. I can watch Bucks and Brewers all year for the same cost as going to one Bucks game.

That's exactly what Bally's people were hoping folks would think!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: YaBlueIt on October 31, 2022, 12:50:34 PM
They both have the same fundamental problems. They each have two ball dominant stars, who need the ball in their hands constantly to play their game.

For whatever reason that possessed people in charge, they paired those two ball dominant stars with a 3rd star who is a non-scoring, poor shooting, ball dominant facilitator.

None of whom really care about defense (I actually think Kyrie and Durant put in considerably more effort on defense than Lebron and Westbrook).

It is a horrible setup for a team.

The Nets have Curry coming back, which should help matters, as he can help spread the court for Kyrie and Durant. But the biggest problem is the mentality and style of play of the central stars.

Generally agreed, though I think AD still has great value without the ball in his hands, he's an elite defender and can stretch the floor. His health has been more of the issue.

Looking back, trading for Harden and giving up elite rim protector Jarrett Allen in the process was a baffling move by the Nets. Two years later their biggest flaw is still interior defense. Giving away all of your depth and quality role players to add another ball-dominant superstar is no way to build a basketball team.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: YaBlueIt on October 31, 2022, 01:01:56 PM
I see the Clippers are 2-4.  I thought Kawhi was ready to go?

Clippers have one true big and one playmaker, and this smallball approach that Ty Lue has been employing is backfiring because some of the veterans have lost a step and they aren't hitting corner 3s.

Kawhi is ready to go, except on back to backs, road games, and games on days that end in Y.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: StillAWarrior on October 31, 2022, 01:34:23 PM
I don't see the price as a problem. I can watch Bucks and Brewers all year for the same cost as going to one Bucks game.

I would find it less ridiculous if it had the Guardians...but it doesn't. I'm just comparing it to other streaming services that offer a lot more content for a lot less money. I happen to think that it's worth it (roughly $1.25/game), but I still think it's a little ridiculous. In the past I paid ~$75/month and got Cavs and Indians games...along with about 150 other channels. Now I have to pay an extra $20/month for one channel.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on October 31, 2022, 01:37:52 PM
I would find it less ridiculous if it had the Guardians...but it doesn't. I'm just comparing it to other streaming services that offer a lot more content for a lot less money. I happen to think that it's worth it (roughly $1.25/game), but I still think it's a little ridiculous.

Got it. We’re lucky here. $200 bucks a year for both teams. I might be more hesitant if it were one or the other.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on October 31, 2022, 10:25:18 PM
It’s really early, but amusing that 2 of the main contenders to tank for Wemby and Scoot, the Jazz and the Spurs, are 6-2 and 5-2 respectively, to start the season.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on October 31, 2022, 11:20:20 PM
It’s really early, but amusing that 2 of the main contenders to tank for Wemby and Scoot, the Jazz and the Spurs, are 6-2 and 5-2 respectively, to start the season.

I can't imagine either of these teams will sustain this butt the Jazz do have some good players.  It makes you wonder how they would have done with Mitchell and Golbert?    If they want to be in the Wemby sweep stakes Ainge is going to have to dump some players.  It is pretty amusing. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 01, 2022, 06:25:16 AM
It’s really early, but amusing that 2 of the main contenders to tank for Wemby and Scoot, the Jazz and the Spurs, are 6-2 and 5-2 respectively, to start the season.

Pop the GM is gonna have to fire Pop the coach for trying too hard to win!

I'm joking, obviously, but Bill Musselman got fired for just that reason by the Timberwolves after their second season.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 01, 2022, 11:53:49 AM
Woj is reporting that Steve Nash has been fired.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 01, 2022, 12:17:33 PM
Woj is reporting that Steve Nash has been fired.

That was quick.

I can see Udoka in Brooklyn but I don't know if he can coach this season. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 01, 2022, 12:49:45 PM
Woj is reporting that Steve Nash has been fired.

KD finally wins something as a Brooklyn Net!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2022, 01:14:26 PM
KD finally wins something as a Brooklyn Net!

I wonder if all of those people here who attack GM LeBron will now attack GM Durant.

LeBron certainly has more cred than Durant.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on November 01, 2022, 01:15:55 PM
Whoa

@ShamsCharania
The Brooklyn Nets plan to hire Ime Udoka as their new head coach, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Boston granted the Nets permission to speak to Udoka and will allow him to leave freely, sources said.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2022, 01:17:56 PM
Whoa

@ShamsCharania
The Brooklyn Nets plan to hire Ime Udoka as their new head coach, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Boston granted the Nets permission to speak to Udoka and will allow him to leave freely, sources said.

Is the Nets owner married?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 01, 2022, 01:26:56 PM
Whoa

@ShamsCharania
The Brooklyn Nets plan to hire Ime Udoka as their new head coach, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Boston granted the Nets permission to speak to Udoka and will allow him to leave freely, sources said.

Leaning into being a heel. They should hire Vince McMahon as PR/Promotions
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 01, 2022, 02:18:31 PM
I wonder if all of those people here who attack GM LeBron will now attack GM Durant.

LeBron certainly has more cred than Durant.

Some might dispute the "cred" thing ... but LJ has twice as many championships at KD does, and he also took an otherwise mediocre-at-best Cleveland team all the way to the NBA Finals in 2007.

Neither has been a very good GM, although LeBron did win a title after convincing AD to come to LA.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 01, 2022, 03:20:43 PM
Didn't even take an hour for the C's to start leaking more details lol.

Nets might as well sign Primo.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 01, 2022, 04:17:38 PM
Didn't even take an hour for the C's to start leaking more details lol.

Nets might as well sign Primo.

LOL! 

The Nets/Celtics match-up just got more interesting. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: YaBlueIt on November 01, 2022, 04:22:23 PM
Nets trying to rack up the most toxic personalities in the NBA like Infinity Stones. Bold move Cotton, let's see if it works out for them

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 01, 2022, 04:32:01 PM
Nets trying to rack up the most toxic personalities in the NBA like Infinity Stones. Bold move Cotton, let's see if it works out for them

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Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 02, 2022, 03:50:29 AM
Woj is reporting that Steve Nash has been fired.



Didant no he majored in journalism @ Dook. Good on 'im fore findin' a job. Nein million ain't watt it useta bea, wit inflation and such, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on November 02, 2022, 08:50:12 AM
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You're always shocked when a move like this happens," Durant said after a 108-99 loss to the Chicago Bulls on Tuesday night. "But it's normal in the NBA. It's about getting ready for the game tonight. It's a quick turn always in the league, especially during the season. You've got practice, games coming up, so you can't think too much about it. It was on my mind for a little bit today.
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Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 02, 2022, 07:13:24 PM
Nets trying to rack up the most toxic personalities in the NBA like Infinity Stones. Bold move Cotton, let's see if it works out for them

By John Amato — November 2, 2022
During Monday night's game, the four hosts on TNT's NBA show blasted Kyrie Irving's anti-Semitism, as well as the NBA for failing to do anything about it.

Ernie Johnson opened by bashing Irving for claiming he wasn't promoting anti-Semitism by tweeting a link to the 2018 movie “Hebrews to Negroes: Wake Up Black America.” to millions of his followers.

"He keeps making a big thing out of the word promotion, that is promotion.' Johnson said.

"I could tell he's not conscious, He doesn't really care what's going on. We have to answer what this idiot has done," Shaq O'Neil said.

Charles Barkley crucified Irving and the NBA as well.

"I think the NBA dropped the ball, I think he should have been suspended. I think Adam [Silver, the NBA commissioner] should have suspended him,” Barkley said.

I said the same thing when I wrote about Irving defending his indefensible behavior a few days ago.

“First of all, Adam is Jewish. You can’t take my $40 million [Irving’s salary] and insult my religion. You’re going to insult me, you have the right, but I have the right to say no. You’re not going to take my $40 million and insult my religion. I think the NBA, they have made a mistake.” Barkley said.

The NBA fined players for making homophobic slurs

Irving also promoted sicko Alex Jones and his "secret cabal ruling the world" crap.

"Him acknowledging the Alex Jones thing, something should have happened with that too, ’cause that dude’s crazy and...I can’t believe we ain’t talking about basketball — we talking about this idiot.”

During the broadcast, former NBA star Reggie Miller did not hold back on the players' silence either.

"The players have dropped the ball on this case when it’s been one of their own,” Miller said during the Nets vs Bulls game.

“It’s been crickets.”

“You can’t go silent in terms of this for Kyrie Irving,” Miller pleaded. “I want to hear the players and their strong opinions as well, just as we heard about Robert Sarver and Donald Sterling.”

Irving is a disgrace.

He elevated himself to the anti-vax crowd for refusing to get vaccinated, which kept him from playing in any Nets home games. This, of course, increased his political online presence.

Irving is a rich, One World Fool and anti-Semite.

It's not too late to suspend him from the game of basketball.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 02, 2022, 08:03:04 PM
I see that the Bucks are up nine  but 1-18 from distance?   I know they're undefeated but I'm a little concerned long-term. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 02, 2022, 08:04:48 PM
Why?    Barring injury, who in the East is going to be better?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 02, 2022, 08:07:44 PM
Why?    Barring injury, who in the East is going to be better?

Boston and Cleveland.  We'll see how they look with Middleton but they're not shooting the ball well at all.  Hopefully Connaughton and Ingles help.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on November 02, 2022, 08:48:48 PM
Boston and Cleveland.  We'll see how they look with Middleton but they're not shooting the ball well at all.  Hopefully Connaughton and Ingles help.

I have a tough time getting too worked up about a game in November when we are missing some of our best shooters. Especially in a game the Bucks are fairly comfortably ahead.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 02, 2022, 08:51:50 PM
3 of their 5 best shooters are out. They’ll be fine and they’ll trade a combination of Nwora, Grayson, Hill, and a pick at the deadline. When healthy, they’re the best team in the NBA just like last year and the year before. Doesn’t mean they’ll win a title, but they have as good of a chance as anyone.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 02, 2022, 08:58:58 PM
By John Amato — November 2, 2022
During Monday night's game, the four hosts on TNT's NBA show blasted Kyrie Irving's anti-Semitism, as well as the NBA for failing to do anything about it.

Ernie Johnson opened by bashing Irving for claiming he wasn't promoting anti-Semitism by tweeting a link to the 2018 movie “Hebrews to Negroes: Wake Up Black America.” to millions of his followers.

"He keeps making a big thing out of the word promotion, that is promotion.' Johnson said.

"I could tell he's not conscious, He doesn't really care what's going on. We have to answer what this idiot has done," Shaq O'Neil said.

Charles Barkley crucified Irving and the NBA as well.

"I think the NBA dropped the ball, I think he should have been suspended. I think Adam [Silver, the NBA commissioner] should have suspended him,” Barkley said.

I said the same thing when I wrote about Irving defending his indefensible behavior a few days ago.

“First of all, Adam is Jewish. You can’t take my $40 million [Irving’s salary] and insult my religion. You’re going to insult me, you have the right, but I have the right to say no. You’re not going to take my $40 million and insult my religion. I think the NBA, they have made a mistake.” Barkley said.

The NBA fined players for making homophobic slurs

Irving also promoted sicko Alex Jones and his "secret cabal ruling the world" crap.

"Him acknowledging the Alex Jones thing, something should have happened with that too, ’cause that dude’s crazy and...I can’t believe we ain’t talking about basketball — we talking about this idiot.”

During the broadcast, former NBA star Reggie Miller did not hold back on the players' silence either.

"The players have dropped the ball on this case when it’s been one of their own,” Miller said during the Nets vs Bulls game.

“It’s been crickets.”

“You can’t go silent in terms of this for Kyrie Irving,” Miller pleaded. “I want to hear the players and their strong opinions as well, just as we heard about Robert Sarver and Donald Sterling.”

Irving is a disgrace.

He elevated himself to the anti-vax crowd for refusing to get vaccinated, which kept him from playing in any Nets home games. This, of course, increased his political online presence.

Irving is a rich, One World Fool and anti-Semite.

It's not too late to suspend him from the game of basketball.

In a funny way, the Inside the NBA crew hammering Kyrie may be more impactful for an image and "this sh** is not ok" perspective than any fine or suspension would.  Given their impact and reach on the culture of the NBA.

Hot take, I don't actually think Kyrie is an Anti-Semite.  I think he's a curious and reasonably intelligent person who spent his entire life being coddled and praised and never opposed.  So then, instead of focusing on constructive pursuits when people keep him in check or say "WTF bro", he morphed his reasonable intelligence into some galaxy brain "free thinker"/contrarian stupidity.  Which instead of showing intelligence, just makes him gullible and moronic as he tries to find a way to explain that 2+2 is actually 5, cause everyone just hasn't opened their Third Eye like him.  It doesn't make his statement any less damaging or reprehensible.  It just differs it from someone like Kanye who I think has a legit anti-Semitic belief and mission he wants to pursue.  Whereas Kyrie would have moved on in a month to some other 4chan BS.

In terms of actual basketball, I think the Cavs may actually be the second best team in the East.  They've been really good WITHOUT Garland.  With him back?  Sheesh.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 02, 2022, 09:16:19 PM
I have a tough time getting too worked up about a game in November when we are missing some of our best shooters. Especially in a game the Bucks are fairly comfortably ahead.

I hear you cheebs.  But the Bucks haven't really played anyone and have had 6 of 7 at Fiserv.  Statistically they are awful from distance and when I have watched we're talking wide open looks from so-called spot shooters.  Hopefully it's just a slump, and Middleton  and others will help, but they will not beat the elite teams in the playoffs if they go brick city from downtown.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 03, 2022, 04:40:04 AM
I hear you cheebs.  But the Bucks haven't really played anyone and have had 6 of 7 at Fiserv.  Statistically they are awful from distance and when I have watched we're talking wide open looks from so-called spot shooters.  Hopefully it's just a slump, and Middleton  and others will help, but they will not beat the elite teams in the playoffs if they go brick city from downtown.

It’s November.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 03, 2022, 07:51:12 AM
Bulls pulled away in the second half to easily beat the depleted Hornets, who were without Ball and Rozier all game, and Hayward in the second half.

Steve Clifford, Charlotte's new/old coach:

"You do have to know why you are winning and why you are losing. Look, if we have one more of those guys ... if we have Melo or Terry or Gordon, we can win it. But you can’t play without all of them. And those are the guys we play through, so it makes it hard. I’m not saying we can’t win a game. But it’s going to be hard. This wasn’t about effort. There’s short-handed ... and then there’s where we’re at right now. This is tough stuff.”

An excuse? Sure. Also facts. Including accused assaulter Miles Bridges, the Hornets are without 4/5ths of their starting lineup -- and Miles Plumlee isn't exactly the one starter Clifford would choose to have available.

The Bulls shot 45% from 3, and they pulled away by hitting 9 straight at one point. Bulls are 5-4 and looked good, but their opponent last night was so weak it's hard to judge.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 03, 2022, 08:07:09 AM
From the Raleigh News-Observer:

Jon Scheyer has built a solid relationship with Brooklyn Nets guard Kyrie Irving since the latter replaced him as Duke’s starting point guard 12 years ago. So Scheyer intends to talk with Irving about his recent actions on social media, which have appeared to sympathize with antisemitism.

“I’ve known Kyrie for a long time, and I’ve had nothing but incredible interactions with him,” Scheyer, in his first year as Duke’s basketball coach, said Wednesday night. “For me, it’s less about Kyrie. It’s more just about what’s happening all across our country, right? I mean, you see things in the news and it’s concerning. Antisemitism of any kind, is horrible and wrong and unacceptable.”


Irving came out with a PR stunt yesterday, pledging to donate about one game check to "fight hate." But he didn't apologize for his overtly anti-Semitic post, and he won't because he thinks it was just hunky-dory.

Is he an anti-Semite? I'm not sure why Wags or others would think otherwise. He willingly made an anti-Semitic post ... and, just in case it was only done only out of ignorance, he doubled-down even after the anti-Semitism in his post was pointed out to him.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2022, 09:03:56 AM
The 500K "pledge" was not an apology. Nor do I think that hanging out with Jon Scheyer will mean anything to Kyrie.  He's in the largest Jewish community in the country by far.  If he actually cares about what he did, and learning about the Jewish people and their religion/history, reach out to various rabbis and synagogues in Brooklyn. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2022, 09:04:31 AM
Is he an anti-Semite? I'm not sure why Wags or others would think otherwise. He willingly made an anti-Semitic post ... and, just in case it was only done only out of ignorance, he doubled-down even after the anti-Semitism in his post was pointed out to him.

Because he is a stupid person who thinks he is smart.  Very easily manipulated and hates to be embarrassed.  Know anyone else like that?  At this point he is just a snapshot of a large portion of the US population.  Media literacy is the number one problem affecting our populace, and Kyrie is the poster boy.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2022, 09:17:11 AM
Because he is a stupid person who thinks he is smart.  Very easily manipulated and hates to be embarrassed.  Know anyone else like that?  At this point he is just a snapshot of a large portion of the US population.  Media literacy is the number one problem affecting our populace, and Kyrie is the poster boy.

Isn't "media literacy" an oxymoron?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on November 03, 2022, 09:17:18 AM
Because he is a stupid person who thinks he is smart.  Very easily manipulated and hates to be embarrassed.  Know anyone else like that?  At this point he is just a snapshot of a large portion of the US population.  Media literacy is the number one problem affecting our populace, and Kyrie is the poster boy.

This is exactly where I come out here. 

Of course, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated like an anti-Semite.  When someone says offensive ish, we don't have a duty to "see whats in his heart" or whatever other bullcrap people like to say.  All the more because he isn't exactly falling all over himself with apology.  (Not saying Hards or Wags were suggesting any different treatment for him, just adding an additional two cents.)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 03, 2022, 09:21:58 AM
From the Raleigh News-Observer:

Jon Scheyer has built a solid relationship with Brooklyn Nets guard Kyrie Irving since the latter replaced him as Duke’s starting point guard 12 years ago. So Scheyer intends to talk with Irving about his recent actions on social media, which have appeared to sympathize with antisemitism.

“I’ve known Kyrie for a long time, and I’ve had nothing but incredible interactions with him,” Scheyer, in his first year as Duke’s basketball coach, said Wednesday night. “For me, it’s less about Kyrie. It’s more just about what’s happening all across our country, right? I mean, you see things in the news and it’s concerning. Antisemitism of any kind, is horrible and wrong and unacceptable.”


Irving came out with a PR stunt yesterday, pledging to donate about one game check to "fight hate." But he didn't apologize for his overtly anti-Semitic post, and he won't because he thinks it was just hunky-dory.

Is he an anti-Semite? I'm not sure why Wags or others would think otherwise. He willingly made an anti-Semitic post ... and, just in case it was only done only out of ignorance, he doubled-down even after the anti-Semitism in his post was pointed out to him.
Kind of like how you and Rico are against all evangelical Christians.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2022, 09:27:07 AM
Isn't "media literacy" an oxymoron?

I get the joke you were trying to go for here, but that is exactly my point.  We can blame the 'media' all we want about 'bad journalism', but it's never going away.  There's just too much money to be made and power derived from bad journalism.

Educating the general public regarding media literacy is the only option.  Unfortunately, human nature works directly against this endeavor.  We are predisposed to agree with news that supports our beliefs and ideologies. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2022, 09:27:18 AM
This is exactly where I come out here. 

Of course, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated like an anti-Semite.  When someone says offensive ish, we don't have a duty to "see whats in his heart" or whatever other bullcrap people like to say.  All the more because he isn't exactly falling all over himself with apology.  (Not saying Hards or Wags were suggesting any different treatment for him, just adding an additional two cents.)

My take is that in his heart he absolutely thinks he's not antisemitic, but that he clearly is.   Worse is that he knows a lot of people that agree with him and that reinforces his prejudice.  I give props to TNT but the fact is very few players have condemned what Kyrie posted.  This is the most troubling part of this whole conversation imo. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2022, 09:27:36 AM
This is exactly where I come out here. 

Of course, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated like an anti-Semite.  When someone says offensive ish, we don't have a duty to "see whats in his heart" or whatever other bullcrap people like to say.  All the more because he isn't exactly falling all over himself with apology.  (Not saying Hards or Wags were suggesting any different treatment for him, just adding an additional two cents.)

No, you're exactly right.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 03, 2022, 09:28:48 AM
Because he is a stupid person who thinks he is smart.  Very easily manipulated and hates to be embarrassed.  Know anyone else like that?  At this point he is just a snapshot of a large portion of the US population.  Media literacy is the number one problem affecting our populace, and Kyrie is the poster boy.
This is exactly where I come out here. 

Of course, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated like an anti-Semite.  When someone says offensive ish, we don't have a duty to "see whats in his heart" or whatever other bullcrap people like to say.  All the more because he isn't exactly falling all over himself with apology.  (Not saying Hards or Wags were suggesting any different treatment for him, just adding an additional two cents.)

BINGO.  Ive excused none of it.  As I mentioned its reprehensible and my reasoning isn't trying to justify it away or give him the benefit of the doubt.  Its just to highlight the difference and also sort of point out that you don't have to be racist/bigoted/anti-Semitic to say stupid things that fall into that category and cause real harm.  I feel needing to slap the label on someone glosses over the sort of situation that really allows this stuff to fester.  The sort of complacent microaggression statement from someone that doesn't necessarily hold that belief. 

As I mentioned with Kanye before, I take it very seriously due to the Jewish roots and members in my extended family.  But this is a dumb person trying to be galaxy brained.  Could have easily been Catholics or some other religious or ethnic group.  And maybe will be in the near future, given Kyrie's troubling track record.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2022, 09:29:40 AM
My take is that in his heart he absolutely thinks he's not antisemitic, but that he clearly is.   Worse is that he knows a lot of people that agree with him and that reinforces his prejudice.  I give props to TNT but the fact is very few players have condemned what Kyrie posted.  This is the most troubling part of this whole conversation imo.

They're basketball players.  We shouldn't be expecting them to be any more knowledgeable than the average American.  Remember, many of these guys never finished college.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2022, 10:12:23 AM
They're basketball players.  We shouldn't be expecting them to be any more knowledgeable than the average American.  Remember, many of these guys never finished college.

So in order not to be antisemitic, or racist, or homophobic, or misogynistic, etc, etc, etc, you need to "finish college"?  This is compete nonsense. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on November 03, 2022, 10:21:05 AM
They're basketball players.  We shouldn't be expecting them to be any more knowledgeable than the average American. 

I wonder how many average Americans, and/or basketball players actually know what the book/film he tweeted about actually contains in it. Heck, I wonder how many scoopers even know.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 03, 2022, 10:34:28 AM
So in order not to be antisemitic, or racist, or homophobic, or misogynistic, etc, etc, etc, you need to "finish college"?  This is compete nonsense.

Thats not what he meant/his point.  He was citing the often lacking intelligence or, more often, stunted intellectual/knowledge growth of many of these athletes.  Leading to short term thinking, not looking at the entire picture, etc... Critical thinking isn't a strength for many of them.

A poorly educated white person, who isn't at all racist, might see absolutely no issue with using N***a cause they hear it in songs.  Or why a tweet with that lyric isn't a problem.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2022, 11:32:17 AM
Kind of like how you and Rico are against all evangelical Christians.

I have never said that.

Rico and I are nowhere even close on our opinions about a belief in God. And since I (and Rico) actually believe in the Constitution, that is fine.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2022, 12:15:07 PM
Thats not what he meant/his point.  He was citing the often lacking intelligence or, more often, stunted intellectual/knowledge growth of many of these athletes.  Leading to short term thinking, not looking at the entire picture, etc... Critical thinking isn't a strength for many of them.

A poorly educated white person, who isn't at all racist, might see absolutely no issue with using N***a cause they hear it in songs.  Or why a tweet with that lyric isn't a problem.

Why stereotype "basketball players"?  There are plenty of highly educated people that are prejudicial, racist, and antisemitic.  There have been Holocaust deniers teaching at Universities such as Northwestern.  Compared to the average person NBA basketball players should be more worldly with their resources and travel across the globe. He plays for a team that resides literally in the most diverse spot in our entire country.  Taking classes in college, and getting a degree, is a pretty minor component of one's actual education and very nuanced.  And diversity of thought is at its all-time low at our colleges and universities. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2022, 12:19:20 PM
Why stereotype "basketball players"?  There are plenty of highly educated people that are prejudicial, racist, and antisemitic.  There have been Holocaust deniers teaching at Universities such as Northwestern.  Compared to the average person NBA basketball players should be more worldly with their resources and travel across the globe. He plays for a team that resides literally in the most diverse spot in our entire country.  Taking classes in college, and getting a degree, is a pretty minor component of one's actual education and very nuanced.  And diversity of thought is at its all-time low at our colleges and universities.

You expect too much from athletes, homie.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2022, 12:23:22 PM
And diversity of thought is at its all-time low at our colleges and universities.

Untrue political statement.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 03, 2022, 02:23:20 PM
I have never said that.

Rico and I are nowhere even close on our opinions about a belief in God. And since I (and Rico) actually believe in the Constitution, that is fine.
that was to mu82
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 03, 2022, 02:44:45 PM
Untrue political statement.
Agreed. Colleges and universities have never been places of diverse opinions and thoughts. No different today than 100 years ago or more.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2022, 03:10:09 PM
that was to mu82

Then I would say that I think morality and decency are much more important to MU82 that they are to Evangelicals.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 03, 2022, 03:52:27 PM
Then I would say that I think morality and decency are much more important to MU82 that they are to Evangelicals.
And I would say it is not very ethical or moral to paint everyone practicing one religion with a broad brush.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2022, 07:13:34 PM
The Nets have suspended Kyrie for 5 games. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 03, 2022, 07:18:23 PM
Not nearly long enough, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2022, 07:32:22 PM
Not nearly long enough, hey?

The whole saga is a little weird.   I guess he met with Silver but I'm not sure. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 03, 2022, 07:36:16 PM
Weird because the NBA is usually more on top of these things. They can “read the room.”  This seemed to catch them off guard and only responded after people said “WTF?”
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2022, 08:21:05 PM
Weird because the NBA is usually more on top of these things. They can “read the room.”  This seemed to catch them off guard and only responded after people said “WTF?”

Ya....this seems like something they thought would just go away.  Which is bizarre in itself.  As far as I know Silver hasn't publicly said anything.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2022, 08:40:21 PM
Ya....this seems like something they thought would just go away.  Which is bizarre in itself.  As far as I know Silver hasn't publicly said anything.

He did today, but yeah, it took an unusually long time.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34939644/commissioner-adam-silver-disappointed-kyrie-irving-apologize
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2022, 09:15:27 PM
He did today, but yeah, it took an unusually long time.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34939644/commissioner-adam-silver-disappointed-kyrie-irving-apologize

Ty Pakumi.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 03, 2022, 10:08:32 PM
Kind of like how you and Rico are against all evangelical Christians.

Unk is very good at speaking for himself, but please provide proof that I am “against all evangelical Christians.”

Thanks!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2022, 10:14:00 PM
Did anyone catch that Tyler Herro clear walk to win the game last night?  The NBA has to-do something about traveling and that "side-step" garbage. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 04, 2022, 08:07:30 AM
Unk is very good at speaking for himself, but please provide proof that I am “against all evangelical Christians.”

Thanks!
Look in the Jerry Lewis thread
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 04, 2022, 08:36:38 AM
Really disappointed in Silver. Thought he had the stones to crack the whip, particularly after the Sterling debacle and the quick, decisive action he took there. But, he's likely just another money whore letting the inmates run the asylum, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 04, 2022, 08:50:37 AM
Really disappointed in Silver. Thought he had the stones to crack the whip, particularly after the Sterling debacle and the quick, decisive action he took there. But, he's likely just another money whore letting the inmates run the asylum, hey?

Always a great phrase to use.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 04, 2022, 08:56:29 AM
Always a great phrase to use.

He’s right, though, about his general point.  Silver should have stepped in more forcefully
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 04, 2022, 10:01:03 AM
Always a great phrase to use.

I'd have said the other is more problematic by a large margin.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 04, 2022, 10:01:32 AM
Somewhat lost in this discussion is that Amazon is still selling the book and movie Kyrie pimped and apparently sales are blowing up.  I also heard that the FBI is saying there have been credible threats against New Jersey Synagogues.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 04, 2022, 10:10:13 AM
Somewhat lost in this discussion is that Amazon is still selling the book and movie Kyrie pimped and apparently sales are blowing up.  I also heard that the FBI is saying there have been credible threats against New Jersey Synagogues.

Amazon also sells Mein Kampf.  Banning the material only drives it underground, and reduces the discussion around the merits of the material.

Keep it in the light and continue to deride the content.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 04, 2022, 10:32:44 AM
Amazon also sells Mein Kampf.  Banning the material only drives it underground, and reduces the discussion around the merits of the material.

Keep it in the light and continue to deride the content.

I didn’t  realize that but they also have not sold certain books for whatever reasons. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 04, 2022, 11:28:33 AM
Always a great phrase to use.
For the record, I'm offended today is Friday.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 04, 2022, 11:38:17 AM
For the record, I'm offended today is Friday.

I'm very happy today is Friday.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 04, 2022, 01:23:21 PM
I'm very happy today is Friday.
Fascist, MAGA lover.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TSmith34 on November 04, 2022, 02:31:47 PM
The Nets have suspended Kyrie for 5 games.
Why can't we do the same for politicians?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 04, 2022, 03:39:25 PM
Look in the Jerry Lewis thread

Rico joked: "Lived the dream of most evangelical Christians by marrying his underage cousin, having two kids with her and then divorcing her and getting married two more times."

I responded: "Amen."

That is your proof that I am “against all evangelical Christians," counselor?

Well then ... you saying that is proof that you are against all Jews who attended Marquette, obviously.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 04, 2022, 04:54:39 PM
Rico joked: "Lived the dream of most evangelical Christians by marrying his underage cousin, having two kids with her and then divorcing her and getting married two more times."

I responded: "Amen."

That is your proof that I am “against all evangelical Christians," counselor?

Well then ... you saying that is proof that you are against all Jews who attended Marquette, obviously.
Yes. that is considered hate speech and defamatory. But feel free to make fun of other religious groups.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 04, 2022, 05:28:48 PM
Yes. that is considered hate speech and defamatory. But feel free to make fun of other religious groups.

Riiiight. You made an accusation, you were wrong. It happens.

But I will look forward to you calling out every instance of what you perceive to be "hate speech" on this forum from now on. I'll have to get that popcorn-eating gif handy for when you do.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 04, 2022, 05:30:10 PM
Anyhoo, putting the NBA back into the NBA Thread ...

The Warriors are flat-out lousy. On this road trip, they've lost to the Hornets and Magic, among others. Steve Kerr is at wit's end. Obviously, they miss Juan!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on November 04, 2022, 05:32:12 PM
Anyhoo, putting the NBA back into the NBA Thread ...

The Warriors are flat-out lousy. On this road trip, they've lost to the Hornets and Magic, among others. Steve Kerr is at wit's end. Obviously, they miss Juan!

Their 2nd line team and their defense have been atrocious.

Maybe they are gunning for Wembanyama so they can win titles for the next 5 years.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 04, 2022, 05:44:11 PM
Riiiight. You made an accusation, you were wrong. It happens.

But I will look forward to you calling out every instance of what you perceive to be "hate speech" on this forum from now on. I'll have to get that popcorn-eating gif handy for when you do.
Actually, you are wrong. You are the one who agreed with a bigot. That makes you a bigot.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 04, 2022, 06:42:08 PM
Actually, you are wrong. You are the one who agreed with a bigot. That makes you a bigot.

What's the difference between an atheist and an evangelical Christian?

The atheist is honest about not following the teachings of Christ.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 04, 2022, 06:44:52 PM
What's the difference between an atheist and an evangelical Christian?

The atheist is honest about not following the teachings of Christ.

Amen!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 04, 2022, 08:13:54 PM
Amazon also sells Mein Kampf.  Banning the material only drives it underground, and reduces the discussion around the merits of the material.

Keep it in the light and continue to deride the content.

100%. Well said. (Hope this didn’t come across as too angry)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 04, 2022, 09:08:54 PM
DeRozan doesn't really get the credit he deserves.  It's unfortunate I never had his mid-range game....or size.  :(
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 04, 2022, 10:03:59 PM
Watching the Bucks.  It doesn't seem to me that Nwora adds much on either end of the floor.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 04, 2022, 10:06:58 PM
Watching the Bucks.  It doesn't seem to me that Nwora adds much on either end of the floor.

He’s horrendous. The good thing is he’ll never play come Playoff time.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 04, 2022, 10:13:12 PM
He’s horrendous. The good thing is he’ll never play come Playoff time.

I was just confused to see him play 7 straight minutes. 

Could they get anything for Allen and Nwora?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 04, 2022, 10:14:40 PM
I was just confused to see him play 7 straight minutes.

You seem to forget 3 of their top 5 options at the 2/3 are out with injury.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 04, 2022, 10:15:40 PM
You seem to forget 3 of their top 5 options at the 2/3 are out with injury a lot.

I realize that....but still.  That rook looked okay.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 04, 2022, 10:51:42 PM
Another boneheaded play by Nwora.  Lopez wide open at the top and he goes 1 on 3?  Smh.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 04, 2022, 10:57:31 PM
Wolves stink
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 04, 2022, 10:59:31 PM
Wolves stink

I thought they were supposed to be decent?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 04, 2022, 11:02:54 PM
Anyhoo, putting the NBA back into the NBA Thread ...

The Warriors are flat-out lousy. On this road trip, they've lost to the Hornets and Magic, among others. Steve Kerr is at wit's end. Obviously, they miss Juan!

I mentioned that they Draymond punch of Poole would have a negative impact on. the Dubs.  My take is that defensively it has hurt him abd the team quite a bit because he can't play with the same edge....a.k.a. fouling and getting away with it. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 04, 2022, 11:39:51 PM
This Beauchamp kid may be a player  in a year or so.  He has good size for a G and some skills. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 05, 2022, 07:09:26 AM
A few days after Adidas dumped Kanye, Nike dumped Kyrie.

https://apnews.com/article/brooklyn-nets-nba-sports-kyrie-irving-racial-injustice-972e41eed3debbd9a548433c78227f05?user_email=6647dfa7189f748384d7389910f7b584c6fcfc35ae990102964c7e826d4175c7&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Nov06_MorningWire&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers

Nike has suspended its relationship with Kyrie Irving and canceled its plans to release his next signature shoe, the latest chapter in the ongoing fallout since the Brooklyn Nets guard tweeted a link to a film containing antisemitic material.

The shoe giant announced Friday night that it will halt its relationship with Irving, who has been suspended by the Nets for what the team called a repeated failure to “unequivocally say he has no antisemitic beliefs.”

The Nets made that move Thursday, banning Irving without pay for at least five games, and a day later, Nike made its decision. Those actions followed widespread criticism — from, among many others, the Anti-Defamation League and NBA Commissioner Adam Silver.

“At Nike, we believe there is no place for hate speech and we condemn any form of antisemitism,” the Beaverton, Oregon-based company said. “To that end, we’ve made the decision to suspend our relationship with Kyrie Irving effective immediately and will no longer launch the Kyrie 8.”
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 05, 2022, 07:24:50 AM
About time! The push back has to be loud and clear, especially from American Jews, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 05, 2022, 09:04:57 PM
I thought they were supposed to be decent?

  individually, they have some good talent, but together, they play like a$$ and they gave up A LOT for gobert
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 05, 2022, 09:12:16 PM
About time! The push back has to be loud and clear, especially from American Jews, hey?

what's he supposed to say now?  umm, yeah...and i'm sorry if i offended anyone??  seems like kyrie's got some deep seated beliefs that all the apologies in the world plus $500k won't make this go away.  what's next?  take a class??  make him write 500 times, jewish peeps ain't all that bad?  make a few jewish friends??  marry a jewish lady?  i think he just Fu**ed his self and ain't getting any calls in the morning.  hope he saved well
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2022, 07:53:03 AM
4ever & rocket:

I sincerely am heartened to hear that, from this point forward, Scoop's two doctors of dental surgery will reject and condemn any celebrity, athlete, politician or  businessperson who has said and/or done anti-Semitic things, who has pushed anti-Semitic tropes, who has uttered anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, and/or who has welcomed support from anti-Semitic groups and people.

That's a long list, and based on those you've supported in the past, it would represent quite a change of heart for you.

Either that ... or you'll just use this newfound public outrage of yours to rip the few famous Black and/or Muslim people who have said anti-Semitic things. They deserve ripping, but they are far from the only ones on the list.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 06, 2022, 08:55:20 AM
Nads,
I've never wavered from this my entire life. But, until Jews, themselves, rise up and push back, nothing will change, nothing. That also means not supporting known anti-Semitic politicians, like the squad and Barnes, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 06, 2022, 09:45:15 AM
Wemby apparently went to work last night.  :)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2022, 10:01:14 AM
Nads,
I've never wavered from this my entire life. But, until Jews, themselves, rise up and push back, nothing will change, nothing. That also means not supporting known anti-Semitic politicians, like the squad and Barnes, hey?

Why?  There are fine people on both sides, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2022, 10:04:15 AM
Nads,
I've never wavered from this my entire life. But, until Jews, themselves, rise up and push back, nothing will change, nothing. That also means not supporting known anti-Semitic politicians, like the squad and Barnes, hey?

Well, Doc, your voting record suggests that you've wavered some ... but I'd rather avoid a Scoopspension so I'll end it here.

How 'bout that NBA, eh? It's been nice to see the level of condemnation of Kyrie's remarks. A lot of great leaders associated with the league.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 06, 2022, 10:43:32 AM
Actually, I disagree with your assessment of Trump as an anti-Semite. His history is quite the opposite. You should study it, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 06, 2022, 11:45:41 AM
Is Kyrie's time in the NBA over?

Sources: Nets have delivered Kyrie Irving six items he must complete to return to team:
- Apologize/condemn movie
- $500K donation to anti-hate causes
- Sensitivity training
- Antisemitic training
- Meet with ADL, Jewish leaders
- Meet with Joe Tsai to demonstrate understanding
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2022, 11:45:51 AM
Actually, I disagree with your assessment of Trump as an anti-Semite. His history is quite the opposite. You should study it, hey?

Lololololol
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 06, 2022, 01:05:38 PM
Well Petrocelli, give me an example of his anti-semitism, hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 01:12:16 PM
Well Petrocelli, give me an example of his anti-semitism, hey?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-truth-social-post-us-jews
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2022, 01:51:22 PM
Actually, I disagree with your assessment of Trump as an anti-Semite. His history is quite the opposite. You should study it, hey?

PMed you, because I don't want to get a Scoopcation the day before our season opener.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 06, 2022, 02:42:48 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-truth-social-post-us-jews
I think Trump is a clown but I don't think that story proved your point.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 06, 2022, 02:43:59 PM
I think Trump is a clown but I don't think that story proved your point.

I think it does. Sorry you can’t see it.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 06, 2022, 06:03:41 PM
The Lakers lost again.  2-7.  :)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 06, 2022, 08:32:28 PM
Nads,
I've never wavered from this my entire life. But, until Jews, themselves, rise up and push back, nothing will change, nothing. That also means not supporting known anti-Semitic politicians, like the squad and Barnes, hey?

It's so depressing that you're so close to being reasonable sometimes.  And then you say idiotic things like this.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 07, 2022, 05:16:07 PM
LeBron on Takeoff: "I was listening to those guys my 1st year with the Heat in 2010. They had no idea what a Migos was. They were cursing me out when I would play it in the locker room. I was like 'These guys are next, I'm letting you know right now.'"

Migos released their first music in August of 2011...
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 09, 2022, 11:24:08 AM
The Nets hired Vaughn, not Udoka. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 09, 2022, 02:25:18 PM
The Nets hired Vaughn, not Udoka.
Just heard on the radio; Nets with Irving #30 defense, without Irving #1 defense. Oof!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2022, 03:25:20 PM
Just heard on the radio; Nets with Irving #30 defense, without Irving #1 defense. Oof!

Irving is a cancer on the floor and off.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 09, 2022, 07:40:01 PM
Are Holiday and Antetokounmpo hurt?  I see that both are not playing tonight?  What gives?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 09, 2022, 07:55:21 PM
Are Holiday and Antetokounmpo hurt?  I see that both are not playing tonight?  What gives?

They have diarrhea
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 09, 2022, 08:02:20 PM
Are Holiday and Antetokounmpo hurt?  I see that both are not playing tonight?  What gives?

Holiday twisted his ankle Monday, Giannis sits out road games against garbage teams a lot. Officially a “sore knee.”

Current day Serge might be the worst defender to ever play. He plays the drop coverage in a way that he’s always 8 feet off the ball handler. I swear if the ball handler continued driving at him to the rim he’d continue backing away into the hoop stanchion. And my bid is Nwora horrendous. Was hoping he could at least put up offensive numbers to at least be a piece in a trade.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 09, 2022, 08:10:00 PM
Holiday twisted his ankle Monday, Giannis sits out road games against garbage teams a lot. Officially a “sore knee.”

Current day Serge might be the worst defender to ever play. He plays the drop coverage in a way that he’s always 8 feet off the ball handler. I swear if the ball handler continued driving at him to the rim he’d continue backing away into the hoop stanchion. And my bid is Nwora horrendous. Was hoping he could at least put up offensive numbers to at least be a piece in a trade.

Sounds like load management.  Would you package a deal to get Crowder?  I'm kind of torn. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 09, 2022, 10:27:09 PM
Kind of NBA related, Fred Hickman dead at 66. One of the original hosts of Inside the NBA, famous for being the lone voter to prevent Shaq from being the unanimous MVP in 2000, he was a trailblazer in sports broadcasting. Sports Tonight on CNN with him and Nick Charles was better than Sportscenter by far. RIP.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 09, 2022, 11:03:38 PM
The Lakers are closing in on 2-9.  Could they conceivably trade Lebron?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 09, 2022, 11:35:29 PM
The Lakers are closing in on 2-9.  Could they conceivably trade Lebron?

I think Davis is more likely to be dealt.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 10, 2022, 12:28:11 AM
Kind of NBA related, Fred Hickman dead at 66. One of the original hosts of Inside the NBA, famous for being the lone voter to prevent Shaq from being the unanimous MVP in 2000, he was a trailblazer in sports broadcasting. Sports Tonight on CNN with him and Nick Charles was better than Sportscenter by far. RIP.

Great career, but he was still a Skip Bayless level contrarian hater with that terrible vote.  2000 Shaq was preposterous.  30/14/4.  He had more games over 40 than he did under 20, including that 61 and 23 game against the Clippers.  Just unreal.

As for the Lakers, I’ve seen them sending AD to the Bulls for Lavine and others.  I’d love that, cause Lavine won’t fall in line behind Westbrook and Lebron ball dominating.  I don’t see that working at all…so I hope they do it
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 10, 2022, 08:06:28 AM
As for the Lakers, I’ve seen them sending AD to the Bulls for Lavine and others.  I’d love that, cause Lavine won’t fall in line behind Westbrook and Lebron ball dominating.  I don’t see that working at all…so I hope they do it
I'd agree with that. Lavine needs to be a third option, even if he doesn't think so. The Bulls are clearly on there way to a .500 season as they continue to get older and worse. This would make sense for the Bull's bumbling front office and the embarrassing Laker's front office (aka LBJ).
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 10, 2022, 10:38:59 AM
"I gotta learn how to flop or something. Seriously, I need to learn how to do that. Swipe my head back or do something to get to the free-throw line. Cause the 'I missed it' is getting too repetitive."

LeBron's got jokes.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 10, 2022, 10:42:36 AM
Utah may be for real which is incredible if you think about it.  Markannen has been fantastic.  I don't think they can tank now.  I could see then trying to deal Conley or some of their older players but I think they have to play out the season and build around their younger guys.  They also have tons of first round picks.  Why wouldn't they  try and find a star or another piece?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 10, 2022, 10:49:55 AM
Utah may be for real which is incredible if you think about it.  Markannen has been fantastic.  I don't think they can tank now.  I could see then trying to deal Conley or some of their older players but I think they have to play out the season and build around their younger guys.  They also have tons of first round picks.  Why wouldn't they  try and find a star or another piece?

Because while they are for real in terms of making the Western conference playoff, they aren't a title contender even with let's say a Bradley Beal type player.  Or even KD.  You'd need to trade away young talent (taking away from your current rotation) plus give up your future draft picks to get that level of player.

Let's say you don't even need to trade away current players, and you're able to get KD.  KD is good enough to be the best player on a title team.  But Lauri Markkanen and Jordan Clarkson aren't good enough to be your second and third best players, even with how well they're playing right now.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 10, 2022, 11:09:35 AM
Because while they are for real in terms of making the Western conference playoff, they aren't a title contender even with let's say a Bradley Beal type player.  Or even KD.  You'd need to trade away young talent (taking away from your current rotation) plus give up your future draft picks to get that level of player.

Let's say you don't even need to trade away current players, and you're able to get KD.  KD is good enough to be the best player on a title team.  But Lauri Markkanen and Jordan Clarkson aren't good enough to be your second and third best players, even with how well they're playing right now.

I'm honestly not sure about that.  Is there a dominant tean in the West?  They may legitimately be a top 3 team in their conference right now.  if they packaged something for Durant you don't believe they would have a shot?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 10, 2022, 12:00:59 PM
I'm honestly not sure about that.  Is there a dominant tean in the West?  They may legitimately be a top 3 team in their conference right now.  if they packaged something for Durant you don't believe they would have a shot?

I do not.  Who would they have that the Nets would want?  Markkanen...

They have the picks to send them.  They don't have the players that would allow them to remain competitive.  And the Suns, Grizzlies, and Nuggets are definitely better than them, even if they made a trade for KD.  Warriors will figure things out.  And if Kawhi ever decides he wants to play the Clippers would be better too.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 10, 2022, 12:57:07 PM
In 2016-17, the Hornets started 6-1 and were still sitting at a respectable 14-9 midway through December. Kemba was an All-Star, and they were getting great production from role players like Nic Batum and Marvin Williams.

They ended up 36-46.

So we'll see about the Jazz.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 10, 2022, 01:40:53 PM
I'm honestly not sure about that.  Is there a dominant tean in the West?  They may legitimately be a top 3 team in their conference right now.  if they packaged something for Durant you don't believe they would have a shot?

You get way too fired up about the early part of the season.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 10, 2022, 03:03:25 PM
You get way too fired up about the early part of the season.

FTFY
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 11, 2022, 10:23:59 PM
Wolves gotta just cut Russell.

Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2022, 08:14:16 PM
Garland dropped 51 today.  27 in the 4th Q.  Who does he remind people of?  He's only 6'1. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2022, 10:28:35 PM
Garland dropped 51 today.  27 in the 4th Q.  Who does he remind people of?  He's only 6'1.

Too short to be a “prospect.”
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 13, 2022, 10:35:16 PM
Warriors take a 3 point lead…then score 2 points in the final 4 min of regulation and miss their final 7 3 attempts to stay winless on the road.  What a mess that team is right now
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Jockey on November 13, 2022, 10:52:36 PM
Wolves gotta just cut Russell.

 ::) ::)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2022, 11:36:11 PM
Too short to be a “prospect.”

He had 10 triples.  Why the swipe at little people?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 13, 2022, 11:40:29 PM
Warriors take a 3 point lead…then score 2 points in the final 4 min of regulation and miss their final 7 3 attempts to stay winless on the road.  What a mess that team is right now

Ya.....I think this is getting pretty serious for the Dubs.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2022, 07:00:08 AM
Embiid with 59 points, 11 rebounds, 8 assists and 7 blocks in the Sixers' win over Utah.

Meh.

If he had 10 points, 10 rebs and 10 assists, he'd have had a triple-double, and that's what really matters!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 14, 2022, 07:05:36 AM
Ya.....I think this is getting pretty serious for the Dubs.
I think its time to cut ties with Draymond. He looks really old out there.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 14, 2022, 07:25:53 AM
Ahhh, the hindsight Rodgers strategy.

Their core is older and had a shorter offseason.    They are the champs until they lose a playoff series.   I will worry in February.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 14, 2022, 07:59:49 AM
Ahhh, the hindsight Rodgers strategy.

Their core is older and had a shorter offseason.    They are the champs until they lose a playoff series.   I will worry in February.
Not sure about that, but Green is being manhandled by opposing teams PF lately (Sabonis (twice), Mobley, Banchero)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 14, 2022, 08:49:19 AM
Ahhh, the hindsight Rodgers strategy.

Their core is older and had a shorter offseason.    They are the champs until they lose a playoff series.   I will worry in February.

Nothing hindsight here.  I said they should trade him the day the video came out.  You used to take his antics as "this is how he needs to play to be effective."  Now he's older and his antics aren't worth it.

They should just trade him at this point. Helped them get 4 titles. But the dude wants a max contract next offseason and he’s never been a max player. And now he’s not even close to the player he was at his best. Not worth it.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 14, 2022, 10:05:17 AM
I think its time to cut ties with Draymond. He looks really old out there.

lawdog I did mention that I thought the Green/Poole incident would have a significant negative impact on Green and the team.  He lost a lot of credibility and can't play with the same edge.  I'm also guessing he's not getting away with as much physicality as he has in the past.  The bigger issue though is that Klay Thompson is not the same player at all.  Also, the hype their young players have gotten may be premature.  The fact that they won it last year is truly a testament to how great Steph is in the history of the sport.  Wiggins was outstanding as well, but we can never forget how good Curry is compared to other great players and his overall impact.  Everyone in the entire GSW organization owes Curry a debt of gratitude. 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 14, 2022, 10:22:28 AM
lawdog I did mention that I thought the Green/Poole incident would have a significant negative impact on Green and the team.  He lost a lot of credibility and can't play with the same edge.  I'm also guessing he's not getting away with as much physicality as he has in the past.  The bigger issue though is that Klay Thompson is not the same player at all.  Also, the hype their young players have gotten may be premature.  The fact that they won it last year is truly a testament to how great Steph is in the history of the sport.  Wiggins was outstanding as well, but we can never forget how good Curry is compared to other great players and his overall impact.  Everyone in the entire GSW organization owes Curry a debt of gratitude.

Same player as what?  Before his injury?  Cause last year he averaged 20/4/3 on 43/39/91 shooting splits.  His career averages are 19.5/3.5/2.3 on 46/42/85.  And that was after missing the first half of the season.  He put 38 on the Bucks, 37 on the Hawks, 36 on the Jazz, and 33 on the Lakers TWICE.  And was just as good in the playoffs.

Has he started 22/23 slow?  Absolutely.  But he didn't magically change as a player in the offseason. 

Their depth has been bad.  After their top 6 they have been pretty mediocre, and thats including Draymond who has not been good.  Thats the issue, not Klay Thompson who will still end up with his normal career numbers like he does every year.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WithoutBias on November 14, 2022, 10:48:45 AM
Same player as what?  Before his injury?  Cause last year he averaged 20/4/3 on 43/39/91 shooting splits.  His career averages are 19.5/3.5/2.3 on 46/42/85.  And that was after missing the first half of the season.  He put 38 on the Bucks, 37 on the Hawks, 36 on the Jazz, and 33 on the Lakers TWICE.  And was just as good in the playoffs.

Has he started 22/23 slow?  Absolutely.  But he didn't magically change as a player in the offseason. 

Their depth has been bad.  After their top 6 they have been pretty mediocre, and thats including Draymond who has not been good.  Thats the issue, not Klay Thompson who will still end up with his normal career numbers like he does every year.

Klay himself has admitted he's not the same player he was before his injuries.  Sure, his numbers last year may look like his entire career's numbers.  But he wasn't close to the second best player on a title team numbers like he was in his prime (their first title, or third best player when they had KD).
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2022, 11:03:00 AM
Not saying their skill sets are/were the same, but Green is kind of like Rodman. When he helps you win, you can put up with a lot. When he stops helping you win -- and when he might even be contributing to you losing -- time to say buh-bye.

It will be interesting to see if and when Kerr comes to that conclusion.

One thing for sure: He won't be getting within light years of a max deal from anyone. But we shouldn't start a Go Fund Me page for him; he's already rich and someone will still make him richer, if not max-rich.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2022, 11:04:02 AM
Not saying their skill sets are/were the same, but Green is kind of like Rodman. When he helps you win, you can put up with a lot. When he stops helping you win -- and when he might even be contributing to you losing -- time to say buh-bye.

It will be interesting to see if and when Kerr comes to that conclusion.

One thing for sure: He won't be getting within light years of a max deal from anyone. But we shouldn't start a Go Fund Me page for him; he's already rich and someone will still make him richer, if not max-rich.

He went to Michigan State, so a lot of his money is probably tied up in crypto
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 14, 2022, 11:12:34 AM
Not saying their skill sets are/were the same, but Green is kind of like Rodman. When he helps you win, you can put up with a lot. When he stops helping you win -- and when he might even be contributing to you losing -- time to say buh-bye.

It will be interesting to see if and when Kerr comes to that conclusion.

One thing for sure: He won't be getting within light years of a max deal from anyone. But we shouldn't start a Go Fund Me page for him; he's already rich and someone will still make him richer, if not max-rich.

Yep, he'll get another 3 year $55-60MM deal from someone (maybe the Lakers?) and then, IMO, become one of the best NBA commentators in all of media.  Not sure if its the podcast route like JJ Reddick or a studio gig, but I truly think he's gonna be a better talking head than a player, and hes a borderline HOF player.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: lawdog77 on November 14, 2022, 01:29:00 PM
He went to Michigan State, so a lot of his money is probably tied up in crypto legal fees
fixed
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 14, 2022, 02:10:11 PM
Same player as what?  Before his injury?  Cause last year he averaged 20/4/3 on 43/39/91 shooting splits.  His career averages are 19.5/3.5/2.3 on 46/42/85.  And that was after missing the first half of the season.  He put 38 on the Bucks, 37 on the Hawks, 36 on the Jazz, and 33 on the Lakers TWICE.  And was just as good in the playoffs.

Has he started 22/23 slow?  Absolutely.  But he didn't magically change as a player in the offseason. 

Their depth has been bad.  After their top 6 they have been pretty mediocre, and thats including Draymond who has not been good.  Thats the issue, not Klay Thompson who will still end up with his normal career numbers like he does every year.

He's nowhere near the defender he used to be.  Now, many other a Warriors are having their problems but I don't see Klay really close to his all-star level.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 14, 2022, 04:18:21 PM
Yep, he'll get another 3 year $55-60MM deal from someone (maybe the Lakers?) and then, IMO, become one of the best NBA commentators in all of media.  Not sure if its the podcast route like JJ Reddick or a studio gig, but I truly think he's gonna be a better talking head than a player, and he thinks he's a borderline HOF player.
FIFY

If the is a god in heaven, please let DG go to the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 14, 2022, 04:25:11 PM
FIFY

If the is a god in heaven, please let DG go to the Lakers.

Basketball reference gives him a 77% chance to be a Hall of Famer, and their numbers only go up as they play longer.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 14, 2022, 09:26:12 PM
Jimmy's defense on the potential game winner from Booker

https://streamable.com/5qu60y
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: forgetful on November 14, 2022, 10:22:50 PM
Jimmy's defense on the potential game winner from Booker

https://streamable.com/5qu60y

That is some pretty amazing defense.

GSW should trade DG for Jimmy and win another championship. The Heat should laugh in their face if they tried.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2022, 11:37:27 PM
Jimmy's defense on the potential game winner from Booker

https://streamable.com/5qu60y

That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you play effen defense!
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: JWags85 on November 14, 2022, 11:42:04 PM
That is some pretty amazing defense.

GSW should trade DG for Jimmy and win another championship. The Heat should laugh in their face if they tried.

Love Jimmy and love the Dubs, but thats stylistically not a fit at all.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you play effen defense!

The chest to chest but leaning back to not make arm contact on the contest was masterful
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on November 15, 2022, 09:23:48 AM
Jimmy's defense on the potential game winner from Booker

https://streamable.com/5qu60y

That is a thing of beauty right there. Perfect body control
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2022, 12:04:53 AM
Cool players:

S-G-A

Have you seen his stats? 
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 17, 2022, 09:57:47 AM
So 15 games into the season, is appears the Bulls are on their way to a solid .500 record. They hit their ceiling last year and are just getting older and worse. They need to dump this roster and do a complete rebuild. They have some decent assets but they can't wait too long as they diminish in value.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on November 17, 2022, 12:59:11 PM
I found this stat after last night's Bucks game was remarkable: 53-8: Bucks record in the Central Division since Budenholzer took over as head coach in 2018-19.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: tower912 on November 17, 2022, 01:25:05 PM
God bless the Pistons.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: wadesworld on November 19, 2022, 08:33:53 AM
I thought it was a really bad look by Giannis after the game last night…until I heard the story. Damn Montrezl Harrell (and the 6ers assistant coach) is a douche.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 19, 2022, 09:47:37 AM
Yeah, didant no dey lengthened da free throw line ta 16 ft when #34 wuz shootin', hey?
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on November 19, 2022, 10:08:53 AM
I thought it was a really bad look by Giannis after the game last night…until I heard the story. Damn Montrezl Harrell (and the 6ers assistant coach) is a douche.

Very strange story.  Giannis' shot looks completely messed up to me. 8 for 26 from the line the last two games?  It's obviously all mental, he used to shoot 70%
This incident could motivate Giannis even more? .
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Dickthedribbler on November 19, 2022, 01:21:21 PM
Wizards with a 107-106 overtime win over the Heat last night. Couldn't help but notice that Jamal Cain had 4 points, 6 rebs, and 1asst in17 minutes of play, while Johnny Davis remains relegated to the G-League by the Wizards.

Before anyone cautions me not to read too much into that situation, I'm not reading anything into anything. I'm merely noting that a kid who sometimes had difficulty getting off the bench at MU, persisted and worked hard, and is now getting a good look in the NBA, while Mr. Everything lottery pick at UW, can't even stay on the big league roster.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: MU82 on November 19, 2022, 03:50:14 PM
Wizards with a 107-106 overtime win over the Heat last night. Couldn't help but notice that Jamal Cain had 4 points, 6 rebs, and 1asst in17 minutes of play, while Johnny Davis remains relegated to the G-League by the Wizards.

Before anyone cautions me not to read too much into that situation, I'm not reading anything into anything. I'm merely noting that a kid who sometimes had difficulty getting off the bench at MU, persisted and worked hard, and is now getting a good look in the NBA, while Mr. Everything lottery pick at UW, can't even stay on the big league roster.

Congrats to Jamal! I hope he gets a long run with the Heat.

Me no care about any ex-Rodent.
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on November 23, 2022, 04:40:16 PM
Everyone (lol) is jumping on the WhiteTrash bandwagon! Here is the second article this week I've seen about the Bulls needing to "blow it up" and start over:

https://clutchpoints.com/bulls-overreactions-bulls-trades-first-month-2022-23-nba-season (https://clutchpoints.com/bulls-overreactions-bulls-trades-first-month-2022-23-nba-season)
Title: Re: 2022-23 NBA Thread
Post by: Sultan Sultanberger on November 23, 2022, 09:29:44 PM
Bucks let one go tonight. DeRozan was fantastic.