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Jockey

Quote from: withoutbias on June 19, 2023, 08:48:18 PM
The good news for the Suns is all 3 are above average defenders.

And let's not pretend that they Nets wouldn't have won at least one title, let alone multiple titles, had either Kyrie or Harden not gotten injured. Heck they even would've with neither healthy and KD completely carrying them had he had a half size smaller shoe.

They wouldn't have.

BM1090

Quote from: Jockey on June 20, 2023, 02:22:57 PM
They wouldn't have.

Well, they definitely would have beaten the Bucks. Probably an 80% chance they get by Atlanta too.

Do they beat Phoenix? Not sure. But that was a legit Brooklyn team.

MuggsyB

Quote from: BM1090 on June 20, 2023, 02:30:04 PM
Well, they definitely would have beaten the Bucks. Probably an 80% chance they get by Atlanta too.

Do they beat Phoenix? Not sure. But that was a legit Brooklyn team.

I'm with Jockey on this one.  The only "what if" scenario since I've been alive regarding the NBA playoffs, where I do think you can definitively say the outcome would have been different, is if Jordan didn't retire and play baseball.  We're likely talking an 8-Peat or 7/8 in that situation.  Everything else, to quote Wade from Fargo, is "whistling dixie".  :)

Jockey

Quote from: BM1090 on June 20, 2023, 02:30:04 PM
Well, they definitely would have beaten the Bucks. Probably an 80% chance they get by Atlanta too.

Do they beat Phoenix? Not sure. But that was a legit Brooklyn team.

Just your opinion. Certainly valid, but I just disagree.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 20, 2023, 11:11:51 AM
why would someone trade for zion with all the baggage??  or should i say very public baggage? 

not to mention his tenure or lack thereof

way way too much maintenance

Brain dead take.  The public baggage, you mean him getting embarrassed on twitter for knocking ladies up?

He's not the first NBA player to do this, and the only people wringing their hands about it are people who don't actually care about basketball.

The kid can ball when he's healthy.  Treating him like some public pariah is something for weirdos to do.

Uncle Rico

#3455
Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 21, 2023, 12:45:29 PM
Brain dead take.  The public baggage, you mean him getting embarrassed on twitter for knocking ladies up?

He's not the first NBA player to do this, and the only people wringing their hands about it are people who don't actually care about basketball.

The kid can ball when he's healthy.  Treating him like some public pariah is something for weirdos to do.

Teams want Tyler Herro and he knocked up some fitness IG model he messaged online.  He's not even married to her!

And look at this drama!

https://thesportsgrail.com/tyler-herro-baby-mama-and-ex-gf-katya-elise-henry-says-he-has-a-little-dick-after-he-cheated-on-her/
Guster is for Lovers

4everwarriors

Yeah Carty, maebea he wiggles hiz worm reel well, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Uncle Rico

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 21, 2023, 01:33:26 PM
Yeah Carty, maebea he wiggles hiz worm reel well, hey?

Who wants to deal with his personal baggage, though?

Too much maintenance
Guster is for Lovers

4everwarriors

The Association has created this mess with their lucrative contracts. All the while they are competing against themselves for talent. Zion's making sex tapes with broads with ass implants, Herro's porkin' anything that feels good, and the Bucks have prostituted themselves to #34 and anything and everything he desires.
Al was right. To coach in the NBA, you have to be paid $1.00 more than the highest paid player on the team, or you're fooked, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Uncle Rico

#3459
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 21, 2023, 02:36:09 PM
The Association has created this mess with their lucrative contracts. All the while they are competing against themselves for talent. Zion's making sex tapes with broads with ass implants, Herro's porkin' anything that feels good, and the Bucks have prostituted themselves to #34 and anything and everything he desires.
Al was right. To coach in the NBA, you have to be paid $1.00 more than the highest paid player on the team, or you're fooked, aina?

😂😂😂

And they don't play defense!
Guster is for Lovers

The Sultan

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 21, 2023, 02:36:09 PM
The Association has created this mess with their lucrative contracts. All the while they are competing against themselves for talent. Zion's making sex tapes with broads with ass implants, Herro's porkin' anything that feels good, and the Bucks have prostituted themselves to #34 and anything and everything he desires.
Al was right. To coach in the NBA, you have to be paid $1.00 more than the highest paid player on the team, or you're fooked, aina?


LOL...what? Al was wrong. That's a terrible take. NBA players are actually underpaid with their contracts limited by a CBA.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2023, 02:44:47 PM

LOL...what? Al was wrong. That's a terrible take. NBA players are actually underpaid with their contracts limited by a CBA.

The old story was, Al wanted to take the Bucks job when they were an expansion team.  I suppose that could be one of the many Al stories that simply isn't true
Guster is for Lovers

Hards Alumni

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2023, 02:44:47 PM

LOL...what? Al was wrong. That's a terrible take. NBA players are actually underpaid with their contracts limited by a CBA.

Sir, this is an Arby's.  Any and all solutions to problems can be solved by one of Al's turn of phrases, a moment of wisdom, or a 1970s style solution!

MuggsyB

So apparently Boston is getting Porzingas for Brogdon and Gallinari.   

MU82

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 21, 2023, 02:36:09 PM
The Association has created this mess with their lucrative contracts. All the while they are competing against themselves for talent. Zion's making sex tapes with broads with ass implants, Herro's porkin' anything that feels good, and the Bucks have prostituted themselves to #34 and anything and everything he desires.
Al was right. To coach in the NBA, you have to be paid $1.00 more than the highest paid player on the team, or you're fooked, aina?

So you are against capitalism, supply and demand, and paying what the market is willing to pay?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

4everwarriors

Nah, eye'm 'gainst da inmates runnin' da asylum, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

tower912

Me, too.  It helps when they transfer.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on June 22, 2023, 06:19:24 AM
Me, too.  It helps when they transfer.

Well, that's different.  Those guys were white
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

Wow, that looks like an incredible trade for the Celtics, who (at least on paper) get taller and younger and more skilled.

They do lose Smart's toughness, and that's no small thing for a team that sometimes appears soft ... but to get Porzingis AND 2 first-rounders for Marcus Smart and a box of rocks sure looks like a steal for Boston.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Quote from: MU82 on June 22, 2023, 07:47:40 AM
Wow, that looks like an incredible trade for the Celtics, who (at least on paper) get taller and younger and more skilled.

They do lose Smart's toughness, and that's no small thing for a team that sometimes appears soft ... but to get Porzingis AND 2 first-rounders for Marcus Smart and a box of rocks sure looks like a steal for Boston.


I'm not sure I view it that way. They are really going to miss Smart's versatility on defense, and while Porzingas can put some points on the board, I am not sure adding yet another dude who likes to bomb away from deep is what Boston needed here.  They seem more excited about Derrick White than I would be.  It does get them more cap flexibility since Porzingas is in the last year of his deal though.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 22, 2023, 08:10:34 AM

I'm not sure I view it that way. They are really going to miss Smart's versatility on defense, and while Porzingas can put some points on the board, I am not sure adding yet another dude who likes to bomb away from deep is what Boston needed here.  They seem more excited about Derrick White than I would be.  It does get them more cap flexibility since Porzingas is in the last year of his deal though.

Reasonable take. It should be an interesting season for the Celts.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MuggsyB

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 22, 2023, 08:10:34 AM

I'm not sure I view it that way. They are really going to miss Smart's versatility on defense, and while Porzingas can put some points on the board, I am not sure adding yet another dude who likes to bomb away from deep is what Boston needed here.  They seem more excited about Derrick White than I would be.  It does get them more cap flexibility since Porzingas is in the last year of his deal though.

Smart"s offensive game was erratic to put it mildly in the playoffs. He's obviously a really good defender but his flopping becomes more pronounced in the playoffs.  If they keep Brogdon and add an impact player at #25 Ii think it's a big win.  It's possible they're not done..

As for Porzingas he is a really good pick and pop player and can get some points inside.  I assume they'll keep both of the Williams'   it's clear they believe Derrick White can play near his playoff level. 

Meanwhile, how will the Bucks improve their roster?  Is Middleton coming back? 

MUBurrow

With Middleton declining his $40MM option, he must feel he is in line for a big payday, despite the injury history.  He turns 32 this year - what do you do if you're the Bucks?  Re-signing him would probably give them no flexibility going forward, and can they sign both him and Brook? 

Skatastrophy

Smart seemed to be the aggressive drive of the team to the point of causing a little locker room friction. We'll see if the newly carefree Celtics can step up or if they ramp up their disappearing act under pressure. Weird decision imo, like the Sixers getting rid of Jimmy

Skatastrophy


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