2022-23 NBA Thread

[JWags85]

Yes but how has the plug in good players and adding decent FAs for Chicago and New York in the past 25 years? I'd say if you go with that plan, "you aren't going anywhere". If DeRozan and Lavine were 25, I'd say stay the course, but this seems to be a certain plan of early playoff exits and draft picks between 18 to 23. We've seen Utah run that plan for the past 5 years. Not pretty.

Oh well, the Bulls will make bank and in the end, that is the real goal.

I think the main issue with the Bulls was they had a horrific front office and since Rose, the only very good to great player they drafted in the first round was Jimmy, and that was wrong time and place.

[MuggsyB]

Holmgren looks terrific....but he's playing against scrubs.  Disappointing we couldn't see he and Banchero go at it.

[MU82]

Mamu killin' it for the Buckaroos.

[The Sultan]

Apparently MarJon Beauchamp looks pretty good for the Bucks so far. But if there is any indication of the quality of competition, Mamu has been filling up the the boxscore after two games.

[wadesworld]

Apparently MarJon Beauchamp looks pretty good for the Bucks so far. But if there is any indication of the quality of competition, Mamu has been filling up the the boxscore after two games.

He's scored it okay in the limited minutes he's gotten in the regular season. Couldn't guard a BE player still though.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/adam-silver-in-favor-of-lowering-nba-age-limit-from-19-to-18-years-old-its-the-right-thing-to-do/#:~:text=While%20speaking%20at%20his%20annual,the%20right%20thing%20to%20do.%22

Silver says he wants to drop the age limit back down to 18 during the next CBA.

[MU82]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/adam-silver-in-favor-of-lowering-nba-age-limit-from-19-to-18-years-old-its-the-right-thing-to-do/#:~:text=While%20speaking%20at%20his%20annual,the%20right%20thing%20to%20do.%22

Silver says he wants to drop the age limit back down to 18 during the next CBA.

Good. Being forced to pretend to go to college for 5-6 months is stoopid.

[MuggsyB]

Speaking of stupid:  "Rasheed Wallace would be better than Giannis today".  Oh.... okay Mr. Iguodala.  Worst hoops take ever? 

[Jockey]

Speaking of stupid:  "Rasheed Wallace would be better than Giannis today".  Oh.... okay Mr. Iguodala.  Worst hoops take ever?

Obviously beyond belief. Wallace was just a guy in the NBA. Nothing special in any way. Certainly not a top 100 or top 200 guy. Maybe not top 300. Maybe not top 400. Just a guy. Every team in the NBA has at least one guy better than him. Some have 2 or 3.

[wadesworld]

Obviously beyond belief. Wallace was just a guy in the NBA. Nothing special in any way. Certainly not a top 100 or top 200 guy. Maybe not top 300. Maybe not top 400. Just a guy. Every team in the NBA has at least one guy better than him. Some have 2 or 3.

More bad takes.

[MuggsyB]

Obviously beyond belief. Wallace was just a guy in the NBA. Nothing special in any way. Certainly not a top 100 or top 200 guy. Maybe not top 300. Maybe not top 400. Just a guy. Every team in the NBA has at least one guy better than him. Some have 2 or 3.

Hold up a sec.....are you saying he wasn't a top 200 guy in his era or all-time?

[The Sultan]

Obviously beyond belief. Wallace was just a guy in the NBA. Nothing special in any way. Certainly not a top 100 or top 200 guy. Maybe not top 300. Maybe not top 400. Just a guy. Every team in the NBA has at least one guy better than him. Some have 2 or 3.

I mean, he was a four time all star.

[Jockey]

I mean, he was a four time all star.

My hyperbole was a lot less than Iguadala's hyperbole.

[Hards Alumni]

Obviously beyond belief. Wallace was just a guy in the NBA. Nothing special in any way. Certainly not a top 100 or top 200 guy. Maybe not top 300. Maybe not top 400. Just a guy. Every team in the NBA has at least one guy better than him. Some have 2 or 3.

oof

[Jockey]

oof

Are you saying Wallace was closer to Giannis as a player than to being just a guy?

He was actually and statistically closer to Taj Gibson than Giannis. No hyperbole.

[Hards Alumni]

Are you saying Wallace was closer to Giannis as a player than to being just a guy?

He was actually and statistically closer to Taj Gibson than Giannis. No hyperbole.

I'm just saying that you dropped an ice cold take.  Rasheed Wallace was never ever 'just a guy'.  Which is what you said.

[JWags85]

Are you saying Wallace was closer to Giannis as a player than to being just a guy?

He was actually and statistically closer to Taj Gibson than Giannis. No hyperbole.

The Giannis comparison is extreme, of course, but he was nowhere near Taj Gibson.  But thats not what you said.  You said he was "nothing special" and "just a guy".  Now you're changing to that he was closer to that than Giannis.

In his prime in Portland, he was averaging 19 and 8...but on a team that averaged 95 points.  He was also well before his time stepping out and hitting 3s at a pretty good rate despite being 6'10.

He wasn't All-NBA because he played the same position at the same time as HOFers like Duncan, KG, Webber, and Ben Wallace.  But none of that is a knock on Sheed.  He was an absolute game changer force of nature at his peak.

[MuggsyB]

In Jockey's defense he admitted to being hyperbolic to make a point.  The truth is suggesting Rasheed Wallace would be  better, as good, or anywhere near the level of Giannis, is asinine and ludicrous.  Particularly from a guy who knows full fell how good both players are/were.  Not to mention the fact that their games are completely different.  It's actually a very insulting comment by Iguodala and we're all dumber from having read or heard it.

[Jockey]

The Giannis comparison is extreme, of course, but he was nowhere near Taj Gibson.  But thats not what you said.  You said he was "nothing special" and "just a guy".  Now you're changing to that he was closer to that than Giannis.

Per 36 minutes: Gibson 13.2 Pts.   9 rebounds
Per 36 minutes: Wallace 13.4 Pts   7.4 rebounds.
Per 36 minutes: Giannis 24.1 Pts    10.4 rebounds


eFG% - advantage Gibson over Wallace
Defense - advantage Gibson over Wallace

Despite the numbers advantage for Gibson, yes Wallace was a better player - at one point in his career, much better. He could take over a game. Gibson couldn't.

But my point stands. Wallace is way closer to just a guy than he is to Giannis. And I still don't think he was anything special. His actual results never lived up to what his talents indicated he could be.


If you go back to college?
Wallace: 13 Pts 7.4 Reb. 
Justin Lewis: 13.2 Pts. 6.9 Reb.

Despite the numbers Wallace was the better player. By quite a bit. That's consensus, not just my opinion. But he was never special enough where he should be compared to Giannis.

[Hards Alumni]

Per 36 minutes: Gibson 13.2 Pts.   9 rebounds
Per 36 minutes: Wallace 13.4 Pts   7.4 rebounds.
Per 36 minutes: Giannis 24.1 Pts    10.4 rebounds


eFG% - advantage Gibson over Wallace
Defense - advantage Gibson over Wallace

Despite the numbers advantage for Gibson, yes Wallace was a better player - at one point in his career, much better. He could take over a game. Gibson couldn't.

But my point stands. Wallace is way closer to just a guy than he is to Giannis. And I still don't think he was anything special. His actual results never lived up to what his talents indicated he could be.


If you go back to college?
Wallace: 13 Pts 7.4 Reb. 
Justin Lewis: 13.2 Pts. 6.9 Reb.

Despite the numbers Wallace was the better player. By quite a bit. That's consensus, not just my opinion. But he was never special enough where he should be compared to Giannis.

Again, super cold take.  Wallace is on the edge of being a HOF guy.  Might never make it, but will always be in the conversation.

[Jockey]

Again, super cold take.  Wallace is on the edge of being a HOF guy.  Might never make it, but will always be in the conversation.

Harold Baines.

[brewcity77]

I mean, he was a four time all star.

I did think it was a bit of hyperbole, but there were 159 players with more than that. Wallace is one of 203 players with 4+ appearances, so there's an argument that he could be outside the top-200, especially as some of the guys with four or more are Jokic, Kemba, Booker, Doncic, Middleton, Mitchell, and Towns that still have some years to go and could pass him.

Wallace was a good player, but he'll never be in the same conversations as Giannis.

[lawdog77]

I did think it was a bit of hyperbole, but there were 159 players with more than that. Wallace is one of 203 players with 4+ appearances, so there's an argument that he could be outside the top-200, especially as some of the guys with four or more are Jokic, Kemba, Booker, Doncic, Middleton, Mitchell, and Towns that still have some years to go and could pass him.

Wallace was a good player, but he'll never be in the same conversations as Giannis.

Well, the argument that Jockey made was that he was just a guy. Many lists have him at or near the top 25 all time power forwards. Today's game suits his offensive abilities.

[JWags85]

Well, the argument that Jockey made was that he was just a guy. Many lists have him at or near the top 25 all time power forwards. Today's game suits his offensive abilities.

Yep.  Not to mention all the talk of "how would X player fair in today's game" and we talk about old greats would have adapted.  Sheed wouldn't have had to attempt.  He would have been an incredible stretch 4 playing the same way.

Of course he's not Giannis and never would be.  But he was never just a guy

[Jockey]

Yep.  Not to mention all the talk of "how would X player fair in today's game" and we talk about old greats would have adapted.  Sheed wouldn't have had to attempt.  He would have been an incredible stretch 4 playing the same way.

Of course he's not Giannis and never would be.  But he was never just a guy

He was a bad 3 pt. shooter.

I said he was just a guy. In other words a 12-14 Pt and 6-7 rebound guy. A decent enough player, but certainly not great.

Jae Crowder has been a better scorer in his career per 36 min. than Wallace. And while Jae should be in the MU HoF, I doubt he will ever get a single vote for the Basketball Hall of Fame. That is what I mean by 'just a guy'. A good player who is not special.

I certainly did not call him a replacement level player.