2022-23 NBA Thread

[MuggsyB]

Jokic is an enormous problem.  Maybe he'll be gassed in the 4th . 

[21Jumpstreet]

Heat appear gassed and are moving like molasses. Maybe they're saving their energy for a big 4th quarter push. Would be nice if the deficit was less that ten to start it.

[MU82]

Jeesh, Jokic is good.

Wild take, I know.

[MuggsyB]

Jeesh, Jokic is good.

Wild take, I know.

The guy has 26, 17, and 8 and it doesn't even seem like he's dominated the game. 

[21Jumpstreet]

Christian Braun, sheesh

[MuggsyB]

Christian Braun, sheesh

That was a important last minute for the Heat.  14 is manageable. 

[MU82]

That was a important last minute for the Heat.  14 is manageable. 

Not sure why Bruce Brown would ever leave Robinson wide open in the corner. That's just stupid.

[MuggsyB]

Not good.  Rough night for the Heat. 

[MuggsyB]

Braun looking like Havlicek? WTF?

[21Jumpstreet]

Womp womp

[21Jumpstreet]

Energy has picked up a notch, sustain it for three minutes

[MuggsyB]

Murray is a heck of a ball-player.  He really does most of his damage in the mid-range area but can score basically everywhere on the floor.  And it's both off the bounce and on catch and shoots.

[The Sultan]

Miami shot 37%, 31% from three. Vincent regressed to the mean. But Tyler Herro is still "addition by subtraction" right?  🙄🙄🙄

[rocket surgeon]

Miami shot 37%, 31% from three. Vincent regressed to the mean. But Tyler Herro is still "addition by subtraction" right?  🙄🙄🙄

  they'll be just fine

[MuggsyB]

Miami shot 37%, 31% from three. Vincent regressed to the mean. But Tyler Herro is still "addition by subtraction" right?  🙄🙄🙄

He had a bad gane and his early foul trouble didn't help.  I suppose if Herro was playing he would have never had a single bad performance. 

[The Sultan]

  they'll be just fine

The Heat in this series? They are not "just fine." 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He had a bad gane and his early foul trouble didn't help.  I suppose if Herro was playing he would have never had a single bad performance.

But even if we accept the premise that the Heat are better when Vincent plays than Herro, this shows why addition by subtraction is not a thing in sports (unless a guy causes locker room issues). It would have still been better for the Heat to have Herro so when Vincent is having a bad night, they can sub in Herro who is better than the guy backing up Vincent last night. If the Heat are truly better with Vincent, having Herro available shouldn't change that. Spo is one of the top basketball coaches in the world. I don't think he would blindly play Herro over Vincent if his team was truly better with Vincent. If both were available and his team was truly better with Vincent, he would bench Herro and play Vincent big minutes.

[tower912]

Don't miss open shots.

[MuggsyB]

But even if we accept the premise that the Heat are better when Vincent plays than Herro, this shows why addition by subtraction is not a thing in sports (unless a guy causes locker room issues). It would have still been better for the Heat to have Herro so when Vincent is having a bad night, they can sub in Herro who is better than the guy backing up Vincent last night. If the Heat are truly better with Vincent, having Herro available shouldn't change that. Spo is one of the top basketball coaches in the world. I don't think he would blindly play Herro over Vincent if his team was truly better with Vincent. If both were available and his team was truly better with Vincent, he would bench Herro and play Vincent big minutes.

You have to look at the playoffs as a whole.  Vincent and Martin have been huge in their wins.  Vincent isn't better than Herro, it about the rotation now and the collective production of several players.  Herro is a very good iso scorer but that would not have been a winning formula for the Heat in the playoffs and would have truncated the minutes of three players that have all been highly important to their Finals run. 

[withoutbias]

You have to look at the playoffs as a whole.  Vincent and Martin have been huge in their wins.  Vincent isn't better than Herro, it about the rotation now and the collective production of several players.  Herro is a very good iso scorer but that would not have been a winning formula for the Heat in the playoffs and would have truncated the minutes of three players that have all been highly important to their Finals run.

This guy gets it.  Do we really think it's just a coincidence that after a full season of playing every team in the NBA, the Heat lose Herro and then play the 3 best teams in the NBA plus a solid but not spectacular Knicks team and have a much better winning percentage and a much, much better offensive efficiency?  Their offense changed without Herro.  The ball actually moves.  They're clearly a better team without Herro in the lineup.

But oh no!  They looked bad for a single game!

[The Sultan]

This guy gets it.  Do we really think it's just a coincidence that after a full season of playing every team in the NBA, the Heat lose Herro and then play the 3 best teams in the NBA plus a solid but not spectacular Knicks team and have a much better winning percentage and a much, much better offensive efficiency?  Their offense changed without Herro.  The ball actually moves.  They're clearly a better team without Herro in the lineup.

But oh no!  They looked bad for a single game!

You said "Gabe Vincent is a straight up better basketball player than Tyler Herro."  Muggsy said it was "addition by subtraction."

Both of these are just wrong statements.  Objectively looking at both of them, Herro is a better player.  I guess you COULD say that Vincent fills a role on this team that Herro doesn't, but even then as TAMU said that's not "addition by subtraction."  Having Herro last night would have definitely helped.

I think what we saw this year was a Heat team that massively underperformed all year. Herro played just as big a role last year on a team that finished with the top seed in the East. So yeah...I tend to think this year wasn't a Herro issue.

[rocket surgeon]

The Heat in this series? They are not "just fine."

only down 2-1, won a BIG game on the road...they will be just fine...A LOT can still happen

[tower912]

Or Denver could be the better team.

[Uncle Rico]

Rough night for Tyler Junior College

[MuggsyB]

Or Denver could be the better team.

They're definitely the more talented team.  Think of how bad Porter and KCP have been in this series?  Also, and I said this before this series, Bam is just too small for Jokic.  Nikola looks like he's a good 5 inches taller and he probably weighs 295. not 280.