2022-23 NBA Thread

[21Jumpstreet]

Feel like Jimmy needs to get a little aggressive. Nice to see the threes falling. ESPN pregame crew is trrrrrble.

[MuggsyB]

Good close for Miami. 

[21Jumpstreet]

Jimmy has got to come alive on both ends

[MuggsyB]

Jokic is gassed.  He'll sit the first 5 mins of the 4Q.  Vitally important for Miami to take over the game right now. 

[MuggsyB]

It will be interesting when Malone reinserts Jokic.  Right now Miami is in perfect position to get the W. 

[21Jumpstreet]

Jimmy sitting for a bit here, doing well

[21Jumpstreet]

Jimmy just uninterested on D, super strange all night. Nice to see him make a couple huge buckets, stay aggressive!

[MuggsyB]

Duncan Robinson's 10 pts were enormous to start the 4th.  Denver really hasn't got much from anyone other that Jokic.  Porter in particular has been a disaster. 

[MuggsyB]

We have ourselves a series. 

[PGsHeroes32]

Heat pick up another clutch road win.

[MU82]

Fun game. Great win by the Heat. Tremendous game by Bam. Jimmy came through late.

Oh, and Spo didn't foul up 3.

[MuggsyB]

Miami's h-c defense was much better tonight.  Spo used the zone really well.  I also think shutting down the others and dealing with Jokic putting up big scoring numbers is probably the best strategy vs Denver.  The Duncan Robinson barrage though is what totally swung the game.  Jimmy slammed the door but give Duncan a ton of credit.

[MU82]

Malone just ripped his team a new one.

[MuggsyB]

Malone just ripped his team a new one.

He was not happy.

I'm curious if Gabe Vincent said anything about Fluffy's comments the other day? 

[The Sultan]

The espn crew is so bad

They are just so beholden to Smith and his "hot take" nonsense that sucks the air out of the room. Wilbon and Greenburg are non-entities. Rose CAN be good, but just gets caught up in it all.

And the problem is that Smith actually knows ball! He has a great history and understanding of the NBA, so if he would just tone it down a half-dozen notches, I think he could actually provide quality content.  But this is what ESPN does will all of their studio shows - everything is loud, brash and debated.

TNT is so good because of its irreverence, mixed in with quality basketball coverage. The only ESPN show that somewhat matches this is College Football Gameday.

[MuggsyB]

I will say one thing about Miami:  they have multiple guys that are capable of going off.  Their 3pt percentage numbers during the regular season seem to be completely irrelevant.  Any given game we have seen Martin, Struss. Vincent, and Robinson all score in bunches.  Love snd Lowry are also capable of hitting triples. The scary thing for Denver is Butler really hasn't played particularly well the first two games. 

If you're Denver, in addition to their defensive breakdowns and boneheaded fouls, they have a guy on the floor right now that has been brutal in these first two games in Porter.  He's a 42% 3pt shooter and a very capable scorer, he must be involved.  I'm still going with Denver in 6 but I have to admit it's pretty much a toss up.  The most amazing stat about Miami in tbe playoffs is that they have been outscored in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters but in the 4Q they are +90.  Denver had lost one game all season up 8 going into the 4Q before yesterday. 

There is a connectivity and confidence to this Miami team that you rarely see from.an entire roster and certainly they have the edge in coaching.  I would be gravely concerned if I was Denver and they lose G3.  Miami mucked it up a bit, used the zone effectively, and caused the Nuggets to lose their composure imo. 

[withoutbias]

Gabe Vincent is just a straight up better basketball player than Tyler Herro.  Sure, if you want a guy to carry an offense through a regular season you probably want Tyler Herro over Gabe Vincenet.  And then your offense will be a bottom of the league offense, like the Heat's was all season.  And it gives your defensive unit an absolute target to attack anytime your opponent wants.

If you want an efficient, team player who helps your team win in the Playoffs and who will at least pretend to care defensively, you want Vincent over Herro.

[MuggsyB]

Gabe Vincent is just a straight up better basketball player than Tyler Herro.  Sure, if you want a guy to carry an offense through a regular season you probably want Tyler Herro over Gabe Vincenet.  And then your offense will be a bottom of the league offense, like the Heat's was all season.  And it gives your defensive unit an absolute target to attack anytime your opponent wants.

If you want an efficient, team player who helps your team win in the Playoffs and who will at least pretend to care defensively, you want Vincent over Herro.

But when I wrote Gabe Vincent has been great during the playoffs, and has been a huge contributor in specific games, Fluffy attacked both of us.   The nicest thing he could say about Vincent is that he's been "serviceable". 

[jesmu84]

Chery picked or not, there are some bonkers stats in here:

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3469613/every-new-stat-we-get-about-this-miami-heat-playoff-run-seems-crazier-than-the-last

[The Sultan]

Gabe Vincent isn't a better basketball player than Tyler Herro. That's just nonsense.

[MuggsyB]

Gabe Vincent isn't a better basketball player than Tyler Herro. That's just nonsense.

But Vincent took 12 shots yesterday, made 8, scored 23 which led the team, and you have yet to give the young man props. 

[The Sultan]

But Vincent took 12 shots yesterday, made 8, scored 23 which led the team, and you have yet to give the young man props. 

Lol. I failed to give him props on a Marquette message board? Oh no!!!

Anyway a games performance is nice. Herro is a better player.

[MuggsyB]

Lol. I failed to give him props on a Marquette message board? Oh no!!!

Anyway a games performance is nice. Herro is a better player.

You disparaged him for no reason whatsoever.  He's proven to be a valuable asset for Miami during the course of these playoffs and plays with no fear or hesitation. 

[The Sultan]

You disparaged him for no reason whatsoever.  He's proven to be a valuable asset for Miami during the course of these playoffs and plays with no fear or hesitation. 

[PGsHeroes32]

Gabe Vincent is just a straight up better basketball player than Tyler Herro.  Sure, if you want a guy to carry an offense through a regular season you probably want Tyler Herro over Gabe Vincenet.  And then your offense will be a bottom of the league offense, like the Heat's was all season.  And it gives your defensive unit an absolute target to attack anytime your opponent wants.

If you want an efficient, team player who helps your team win in the Playoffs and who will at least pretend to care defensively, you want Vincent over Herro.

This is just straight up, objectively incorrect.