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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 07, 2021, 04:57:38 PM
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Marquette alumni team confirmed for this years TBT tournament.
https://twitter.com/GoldenEaglesTBT/status/1342165587443781634?utm_medium=email&_hsmi=120106267&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9QeGj0j0cRdnwce8mG1bMZjt76x-k3OQ-EwvMJzTobwj2Nyb8G73llqbMCpfXs8BjzI0DPtSKzvvK-stzdn2jouA62rYe0n7R45Ar1dHUFln-M4Yg&utm_content=120106267&utm_source=hs_email
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Marquette alumni team confirmed for this years TBT tournament.
https://twitter.com/GoldenEaglesTBT/status/1342165587443781634?utm_medium=email&_hsmi=120106267&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9QeGj0j0cRdnwce8mG1bMZjt76x-k3OQ-EwvMJzTobwj2Nyb8G73llqbMCpfXs8BjzI0DPtSKzvvK-stzdn2jouA62rYe0n7R45Ar1dHUFln-M4Yg&utm_content=120106267&utm_source=hs_email
Must watch TV
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Vander??
Markus??
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Vander??
Markus??
Vander is a good team player, will work hard on D which is necessary in that league and knows the guys on the team . Would be a nice fit if there is a retirement.
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I would like back to back titles with the potential of a 5-peat.
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Vander??
Markus??
If Markus is still under NBA contract, no
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What additions should we go after besides Vander?
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What additions should we go after besides Vander?
Theo.
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Theo.
Should we snag some non-MU Milwaukee guys? Cook has been excellent.
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Should we snag some non-MU Milwaukee guys? Cook has been excellent.
I think Cook deserves an honorary doctorate from MU at this point.
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Should we snag some non-MU Milwaukee guys? Cook has been excellent.
Diamond Stone?
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Diamond Stone?
Interesting.. what happened to him? Jarvis Williams was really good last summer as well.
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Interesting.. what happened to him? Jarvis Williams was really good last summer as well.
Best I can tell, he played in Canada last year for the Guelph Nitehawks.
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We've enjoyed it 3 separate years in person and of course last year on TV. Absolutely great basketball.
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I've enjoyed watching this, but I haven't taken the time to get well-versed in everything TBT. Folks here are talking about us "going" for certain players. Do fans have a say about who is on the team? Is that part of the TBT's appeal?
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I've enjoyed watching this, but I haven't taken the time to get well-versed in everything TBT. Folks here are talking about us "going" for certain players. Do fans have a say about who is on the team? Is that part of the TBT's appeal?
In the past Joe Chapman and Dan Fitzgerald have selected the team members, I believe.
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I've enjoyed watching this, but I haven't taken the time to get well-versed in everything TBT. Folks here are talking about us "going" for certain players. Do fans have a say about who is on the team? Is that part of the TBT's appeal?
Fans can recruit other “fans” to get points. If you have a high enough point total, you share in the final winnings.
I believe that at one point teams needed to get enough fan votes to qualify. I think with the MU’s team success and fanfare, they haven’t had to do that.
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Fans can recruit other “fans” to get points. If you have a high enough point total, you share in the final winnings.
I believe that at one point teams needed to get enough fan votes to qualify. I think with the MU’s team success and fanfare, they haven’t had to do that.
I know that you auto qualify I think if you're in semis.
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Thanks for the answers. So no, we have absolutely no say as to who is on the team ... which is probably a good thing.
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What additions should we go after besides Vander?
DWade.
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DWade.
The only way Wade will appear at TBT is in the analyst booth
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Best I can tell, he played in Canada last year for the Guelph Nitehawks.
There is a name I haven't heard in a while, another prime example of why even hyped kids don't make it and to take advantage of the education. CEBL has a salary of $6000 per team per game.
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Wojo is probably looking for some run now that his noon games are cancelled.
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The all-time Marquette TBT Roster can be found at muoverload.com (http://muoverload.com) under Players/Coaches > TBT Roster.
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The MU alumni team winning the TBT was a great distraction during the Covid dominate year 2020. :)
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Tbt team renamed from Golden eagles to warriors.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoldenEaglesTBT/status/1396878806116405251
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Holy hell what are they thinking?!? The Ultimate Warrior was a racist homophobe. This is far, far worse than Gold.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/59y3nb/wwe-is-whitewashing-the-ultimate-warriors-bigoted-past
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literally the ONLY thing I know about TUW is that he was a Very Bad Man. The very first thing I thought of when I saw the announcement was "hmm, this probably wasn't a good idea."
Cool logo though. Stripped of the "Ultimate" part of the name and it was probably fine? (honestly have no idea how the imagery connects to the dude).
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Holy hell what are they thinking?!? The Ultimate Warrior was a racist homophobe. This is far, far worse than Gold.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/59y3nb/wwe-is-whitewashing-the-ultimate-warriors-bigoted-past
We're not the Ultimate Warrior...we're the Ultimate Warriors
That "S" is very important and distinctive.
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Good Grief! Have you got it right!!! After over 20 years, it's boring. It happened before most of today's students and many alumni were born. Give it up!
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literally the ONLY thing I know about TUW is that he was a Very Bad Man. The very first thing I thought of when I saw the announcement was "hmm, this probably wasn't a good idea."
Cool logo though. Stripped of the "Ultimate" part of the name and it was probably fine? (honestly have no idea how the imagery connects to the dude).
The logo looks to match his face paint.
Even without the Ultimate Warrior part, a little surprised they’d go the Warriors route due to the team’s connection to the university.
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How long until Heise starts a thread asking if this was actually the MU administration getting the TBT team to do this, knowing there would be uproar and hoping it ruins the Warriors nickname so the fanbase can stop talking about bringing back Warriors?
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Holy hell what are they thinking?!? The Ultimate Warrior was a racist homophobe. This is far, far worse than Gold.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/59y3nb/wwe-is-whitewashing-the-ultimate-warriors-bigoted-past
yeah, not a good decision. It's bad enough to call themselves the "Ultimate Warriors" but to have the logo that makes it seem like they're honoring the guy, wow, who messed up on that one.
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Little rough that the logo looks quite a bit like the guts face paint eh?
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Holy hell what are they thinking?!? The Ultimate Warrior was a racist homophobe. This is far, far worse than Gold.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/59y3nb/wwe-is-whitewashing-the-ultimate-warriors-bigoted-past
I mean if you're gonna go that way just make it the warriors and say its an omage to the teams of the 70's more than anything.
I think were dropping the ball on how weird it is to name your team after a WWE wrestler in the first place
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This is a poor idea. Some incorporation of Warriors would've been a clever way for MUBB alumni to endorse the Warriors name but why they went the route of the Ultimate Warrior, when everybody with Google knows how toxic he is, is beyond me.
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This is a poor idea. Some incorporation of Warriors would've been a clever way for MUBB alumni to endorse the Warriors name but why they went the route of the Ultimate Warrior, when everybody with Google knows how toxic he is, is beyond me.
Lebron wore an Ultimate Warrior shirt a few years ago during the CLE-GS Finals and people loved it and thought it was clever, so I wonder how much people are truly irked by him
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All I care about is that our MU squad wins.
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WWE lawyers will have a fun afternoon.
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Lebron wore an Ultimate Warrior shirt a few years ago during the CLE-GS Finals and people loved it and thought it was clever, so I wonder how much people are truly irked by him
True, if it weren't for TUW getting his turn under the twitter microscope a few years ago that stuck in the dustbin of my mind, I wouldn't know who he is at all. I wonder what the crossover of oldtimey wrasslin' fans and TBT fans is.
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This is a poor idea. Some incorporation of Warriors would've been a clever way for MUBB alumni to endorse the Warriors name but why they went the route of the Ultimate Warrior, when everybody with Google knows how toxic he is, is beyond me.
I honestly had no clue about the post-wrestling history of Ultimate Warrior, but I'm not a wrestling fan at all - perhaps it's common knowledge amongst wrestling fans. Then again, maybe they didn't even think to Google the guy's background, and they were just kids when he said most of this stuff.
That being said, I don't think it'd take much to get them to reconsider the name - the Hurricane Katrina and Heath Ledger comments alone should be enough to eliminate any homage to the guy.
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Friend had an interesting take, though he even acknowledged it might be a stretch.
Is it possible to separate the actor from the character?
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Ugh.
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To me it seems very strange that the marquette tbt team would do much of anything for a wwe guy.
Is it possible the tbt guys wanted to play under warriors, but also needed something in front? They pick ultimate for some reason, then the designer guys went with it and did something very similar to the wwe guy?
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No me gusta
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Friend had an interesting take, though he even acknowledged it might be a stretch.
Is it possible to separate the actor from the character?
As I think more about this question...
I love the characters of the Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold, etc. But I also know the guys that play them are bad guys (racist/homophobe, racist, wife beater). In that sense I can separate the actor and the character.
On the flip side, I wouldn't want my team called the Cliff Huxtables even though I enjoy that character.
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To me it seems very strange that the marquette tbt team would do much of anything for a wwe guy.
Is it possible the tbt guys wanted to play under warriors, but also needed something in front? They pick ultimate for some reason, then the designer guys went with it and did something very similar to the wwe guy?
This is what I think is most likely to be what happened. I mean even the older guys on the squad couldn't have been old enough to remember him as a wrestler.
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TUW wasn't even that good at wrestling. Just really roided up. But, yeah, I was a fan in the heyday.
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that's gonna be a no from me dog
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Friend had an interesting take, though he even acknowledged it might be a stretch.
Is it possible to separate the actor from the character?
Maybe... but given that he legally changed his name to warrior.... pretty hard to do in his case
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Any chance that after beating a cancer charity team in the finals last season, they partnered with Susan G Konen and this is connected to their ultimate warrior campaign?
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Maybe... but given that he legally changed his name to warrior.... pretty hard to do in his case
Great point.
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Honestly, wouldn't have made the connection if you guys weren't so high strung about it.
And if they liked his name and logo, good for them.
Just like uttering the words BLM doesn't make you marxist. Using a dead wrestlers logo and name doesn't mean you support his personal views. Lighten up.
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Honestly, wouldn't have made the connection if you guys weren't so high strung about it.
And if they liked his name and logo, good for them.
Just like uttering the words BLM doesn't make you marxist. Using a dead wrestlers logo and name doesn't mean you support his personal views. Lighten up.
The Redskins logo isn't taken anymore, maybe we should use that. ::)
Not knowing who Jerry Falwell is doesn't make Liberty University less problematic. Not knowing who Harvey Weinstein is doesn't mean a film festival with his name on it would be in good taste. This is essentially celebrating a racist homophobe. In no way shape or form is that something we should celebrate.
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The Redskins logo isn't taken anymore, maybe we should use that. ::)
Not knowing who Jerry Falwell is doesn't make Liberty University less problematic. Not knowing who Harvey Weinstein is doesn't mean a film festival with his name on it would be in good taste. This is essentially celebrating a racist homophobe. In no way shape or form is that something we should celebrate.
That's the kind of high strung I was talking about! You damn marxist!
Trust me, they weren't going for "how do we celebrate a racist homophobe" in creating this. That's just the label you're choosing to apply.
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That's the kind of high strung I was talking about! You damn marxist!
Trust me, they weren't going for "how do we celebrate a racist homophobe" in creating this. That's just the label you're choosing to apply.
If they didn’t combine the logo with the name I’d mostly agree with you. But the fact that not only is the name the same, but so is the logo means they clearly are paying homage to the person. And he’s not someone you need to do that for.
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If they didn’t combine the logo with the name I’d mostly agree with you. But the fact that not only is the name the same, but so is the logo means they clearly are paying homage to the person. And he’s not someone you need to do that for.
Agreed. They wanted to make the reference to him be adding the logo
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But the fact that not only is the name the same, but so is the logo means they clearly are paying homage to the person. And he’s not someone you need to do that for.
The person?, or the character?. Think about it. You really think they dug into the person and said "hell yeah!" Of course not.
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Honestly, wouldn't have made the connection if you guys weren't so high strung about it.
And if they liked his name and logo, good for them.
Just like uttering the words BLM doesn't make you marxist. Using a dead wrestlers logo and name doesn't mean you support his personal views. Lighten up.
👏👏 ya the reactions to the tweet were something. Great looking logo!! Everything will be ok Mr. Bykowski
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The person?, or the character?. Think about it. You really think they dug into the person and said "hell yeah!" Of course not.
Sure, but that doesn’t mean they should keep going with it after they find out.
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That's the kind of high strung I was talking about! You damn marxist!
Trust me, they weren't going for "how do we celebrate a racist homophobe" in creating this. That's just the label you're choosing to apply.
This is a good point too.
Brew I wouldn’t assume you support Willie Wampum just because you wear a Marquette Warriors T-shirt.
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The Redskins logo isn't taken anymore, maybe we should use that. ::)
Not knowing who Jerry Falwell is doesn't make Liberty University less problematic. Not knowing who Harvey Weinstein is doesn't mean a film festival with his name on it would be in good taste. This is essentially celebrating a racist homophobe. In no way shape or form is that something we should celebrate.
Brew City-
Life will be better for you when you accept that everyone ,to one degree or another , exhibits some form of racism . When that happens ,Then you can look at things objectively rather than through a racial prism .
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The person?, or the character?. Think about it. You really think they dug into the person and said "hell yeah!" Of course not.
All true, of course. But establishing “woke” bona fides always takes precedence over truth or common sense.
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The person?, or the character?. Think about it. You really think they dug into the person and said "hell yeah!" Of course not.
Does it really matter? The character was played by a racist homophobe. I don't think that's someone that a group of people representing Marquette would want to celebrate. Those things are connected.
But sure, hand out Halloween candy dressed as Cliff Huxtable. I'm sure it'll go great.
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Does it really matter? The character was played by a racist homophobe. I don't think that's someone that a group of people representing Marquette would want to celebrate. Those things are connected.
But sure, hand out Halloween candy dressed as Cliff Huxtable. I'm sure it'll go great.
Guarantee it would go just fine cause 99.9% of people aren’t looking to be offended by anything and everything.
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Guarantee it would go just fine cause 99.9% of people aren’t looking to be offended by anything and everything.
Evidently you’re incorrect.
Where 👏🏻 Are 👏🏻 The 👏🏻 Emojis 👏🏻 Though? 💯
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Does it really matter? The character was played by a racist homophobe. I don't think that's someone that a group of people representing Marquette would want to celebrate. Those things are connected.
You, Brew, and myself were all behind supporting Marquette wearing black "in honor of Jacob Blake". And I stand behind that - that man did not deserve 7 shots facing away from a police officer. But he's not some saintly dude, I can admit that.
The ultimate warrior, as a character, is really no different.
But hey, keep being angry, I don't really care.
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Clearly, Joe Chapman and Dan Fitzgerald are racists.
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Golden Warriors?
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Does it really matter? The character was played by a racist homophobe. I don't think that's someone that a group of people representing Marquette would want to celebrate. Those things are connected.
But sure, hand out Halloween candy dressed as Cliff Huxtable. I'm sure it'll go great.
SNL had a very good skit in the season finale. It was supposed to be a Gameshow Network replay of an older Hollywood Squares episode. And they had "Bill Cosby", "Jared Fogle", people like that and when asked a question instead of showing the answer, they kept playing a warning sign that "We are omitting showing this segment due to the current revelations since originally filmed."
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Does it really matter? The character was played by a racist homophobe. I don't think that's someone that a group of people representing Marquette would want to celebrate. Those things are connected.
But sure, hand out Halloween candy dressed as Cliff Huxtable. I'm sure it'll go great.
And as mentioned, Jim Hellwig changed his name so the person and character were one in the same. And using that logo only reinforces it.
This isn't hard or complicated. You don't go out of your way to celebrate racists or homophobes. That is just common sense. Anonymous Eagle nailed it:
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2021/5/24/22451766/marquette-golden-eagles-mens-basketball-alumni-team-tournament-tbt-ultimate-warrior
The ironic part is the TBT team is using a racist to evoke memories of Marquette's own racist past. It's like "the racist caricature of our past isn't enough, let's remind everyone with a different form of racism and let's double down with homophobia!" Oh, and that the same people who needed fainting couches for Gold are fine with the racist version of the name change.
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The person?, or the character?. Think about it. You really think they dug into the person and said "hell yeah!" Of course not.
The character and the man who played it are inseparable. The character "Ultimate Warrior" doesn't have its own Wiki page for instance - it's the guy who played him.
You, Brew, and myself were all behind supporting Marquette wearing black "in honor of Jacob Blake". And I stand behind that - that man did not deserve 7 shots facing away from a police officer. But he's not some saintly dude, I can admit that.
Wow. That's a terrible analogy. The point of honoring Jacob Blake is that no one deserves to be shot seven times in the back regardless of their background. It's actually quite consistent with many aspects of the Bible and Christianity.
Not sure at all how this fits.
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Evidently you’re incorrect.
Where 👏🏻 Are 👏🏻 The 👏🏻 Emojis 👏🏻 Though? 💯
I love a good emoji. 🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼
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The character and the man who played it are inseparable. The character "Ultimate Warrior" doesn't have its own Wiki page for instance - it's the guy who played him.
Wow. That's a terrible analogy. The point of honoring Jacob Blake is that no one deserves to be shot seven times in the back regardless of their background. It's actually quite consistent with many aspects of the Bible and Christianity.
Not sure at all how this fits.
I can think of a lot of people who deserve 7 shots in the back. Mr Blake not being one but I can’t get on board with saying no one.
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Any chance that after beating a cancer charity team in the finals last season, they partnered with Susan G Konen and this is connected to their ultimate warrior campaign?
Seems plausible
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Any chance that after beating a cancer charity team in the finals last season, they partnered with Susan G Konen and this is connected to their ultimate warrior campaign?
That would be great and make some more sense. But it looks like that campaign was in 2017. Is it still going? Also, my thought would be they’d announce that at the same time. Especially once starting to get some heat on Twitter.
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If they are partnering with a cancer charity, that precludes Markus from ever playing
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Golden Warriors?
This would've been the best route. Also it's what I genuinely thought MU's mascot was when I was applying because my dad kept saying Warriors but I kept hearing the TV calling us the "Golden" 'somethings'
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Golden Warriors?
Yes please.
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In the logo, just change ULTIMATE to MARQUETTE and tweak the face paint into more of a bird and everything is good.
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If anyone is really that offended by the new name, then they have two options: 1) not watch or support the team or 2) watch the team as a hypocrite but continue to demand the team changes its name through social media or letter writing campaigns. Do I agree with what Ultimate Warrior said? Absolutely not. Does the team utilizing a log that incorporates his wrestling gimmick automatically speak to my personal views? Again, no.
Unfortunately, there will always be tremendously unhappy people that will not be content until everyone around them is as unhappy as they are. Very unfortunate.
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So does this mean Benjamin Martin in the Patriot, was an anti semite all along?!
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It would seem to me the team needs to put something out that either says
"we wanted to pay homage to the Marquette Warriors name while avoiding the association with the native imagery. We were not aware of his past statements and do not condone them"
Or
"We chose to focus on the character in spite of his statements"
Or
"We love him and are huge fans and condone his statements"
Basically leaving it be probably isn't the best decision right now.
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So does this mean Benjamin Martin in the Patriot, was an anti semite all along?!
He wasn't really Mel gibsons character, the character was made by writers and interpreted by Mel. On top of that Mel didn't change his name and try to make Benjamin Martin be who he was in reality.
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If you have outrage at the Ultimate Warriors name and logo shouldn't you have that same outrage towards the Marquette Warriors name and logo?
Seems like a double standard to say how awful the Ultimate Warriors are yet wear Marquette Warriors t-shirts.
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Clearly, Joe Chapman and Dan Fitzgerald are racists.
Or they're dorky wrestling fans
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Or they're dorky wrestling fans
Put me in this camp.
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Wonder why they'd even change the name at this point? They just won a championship under the Golden Eagles name. Every single MU alum on the team played for the Golden Eagles.
My first guess: MU's legal dept. politely asked them to change the name to avoid trademark dilution (I work in IP - I'm sure MU loves the added publicity this team brings, but the TBT team to use what is essentially the university's official team name hurts their ability to enforce trademark rights in the future).
My second guess: some alum who cannot and will not ever get over the Warriors name paid them a bit of dough (perhaps enough to cover travel costs?) to bring back the Warriors in some form or fashion. This is what they landed on.
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Who sends a lawyer letter first? Marquette University, or the WWE
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Or they're dorky wrestling fans
As a fellow dorky wrestling fan I am bummed that the Ultimate Warrior turned out to be a total douchebag which keeps the name/logo change from being an amazing confluence of all of my favorite things, and that i will think of that when i see and root for this TBT team, which is otherwise the height of frivolous summer fun.
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I'm not really outraged, I'm more just puzzled. It seems like it's a odd choice in today's day and age given everyone's (perceived/real?) hypersensitivity. It was easily foreseeable that the name and logo would provoke at least some semblance of this reaction... and the choice to go forward with it anyway suggests to me either:
1. They did not conduct due diligence in this branding endeavor, which is... well, a pretty cavalier choice, or
2. They did conduct due diligence and either didn't care what reaction it would provoke (again, a pretty cavalier choice) or did not imagine anyone would care (which seems hard to imagine considering that all anyone yammering about these days seems to be "cancel culture")
Whatever, a dead wrestler I never watched and would not know existed were it not for his moment in the spotlight a few years ago for being a racist is the inspiration for the name. Sure, fine. I can separate the jackwagon from the TBT team branding. To the extent that I care at all, I care that this branding courted backlash and causes them to have to deal with all this noise.
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I'm not really outraged, I'm more just puzzled. It seems like it's a odd choice in today's day and age given everyone's (perceived/real?) hypersensitivity. It was easily foreseeable that the name and logo would provoke at least some semblance of this reaction... and the choice to go forward with it anyway suggests to me either:
1. They did not conduct due diligence in this branding endeavor, which is... well, a pretty cavalier choice, or
2. They did conduct due diligence and either didn't care what reaction it would provoke (again, a pretty cavalier choice) or did not imagine anyone would care (which seems hard to imagine considering that all anyone yammering about these days seems to be "cancel culture")
Whatever, a dead wrestler I never watched and would not know existed were it not for his moment in the spotlight a few years ago for being a racist is the inspiration for the name. Sure, fine. I can separate the jackwagon from the TBT team branding. To the extent that I care at all, I care that this branding courted backlash and causes them to have to deal with all this noise.
It should be noted that the guys running this team all have full time jobs. They've given way more to MU, #mubb fans and TBT than the $83,000 they've received. It's a part time, summer fun thing. I'm pretty sure some of the players are just big wrestling fans and wanted to do something "cool" and it meshed with MU's hoops past.
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If you have outrage at the Ultimate Warriors name and logo shouldn't you have that same outrage towards the Marquette Warriors name and logo?
Seems like a double standard to say how awful the Ultimate Warriors are yet wear Marquette Warriors t-shirts.
Completely fair. I stopped wearing Warriors stuff myself years ago and turned down free Warriors gear earlier this month.
I'm glad Marquette moved away from Warriors and glad they had the foresight to stay away. Willie Wampum and the blatantly racist past associated with the nickname is a part of our history, but a part better left in the past. It'd be nice if the TBT team had the same prescience to stay away from racist iconography.
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It should be noted that the guys running this team all have full time jobs. They've given way more to MU, #mubb fans and TBT than the $83,000 they've received. It's a part time, summer fun thing. I'm pretty sure some of the players are just big wrestling fans and wanted to do something "cool" and it meshed with MU's hoops past.
I suspect this is the case as well.
Will be interesting to see where they go from here. No matter whether you believe this is hugely inappropriate or you believe it is no big deal, it is sure to cause a lot of noise that detracts from their accomplishments and distracts from this year's team.
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Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on “cancel culture” when there’s backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.
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Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on “cancel culture” when there’s backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.
Great point.
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I suspect this is the case as well.
Will be interesting to see where they go from here. No matter whether you believe this is hugely inappropriate or you believe it is no big deal, it is sure to cause a lot of noise that detracts from their accomplishments and distracts from this year's team.
but (and I get that I was one of the people to point out the connection) is it though?
Like, outside of the corner of Extremely Online fandom, is either the Ultimate Warrior's name, likeness, or personal history even known a bit? If it weren't for a little bruhaha I read while bored at work several years ago, I would have seen the name as a callback to the pre-Golden Eagles name and Mexican Luchador type masks and that's it. So, what I mean to say is: Is it entirely possible that outside of the animated few who are predisposed to hear from each other will anyone even realize there's an issue here?
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Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on “cancel culture” when there’s backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.
It's only cancel culture when someone or something they like is being cancelled.
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but (and I get that I was one of the people to point out the connection) is it though?
Like, outside of the corner of Extremely Online fandom, is either the Ultimate Warrior's name, likeness, or personal history even known a bit? If it weren't for a little bruhaha I read while bored at work several years ago, I would have seen the name as a callback to the pre-Golden Eagles name and Mexican Luchador type masks and that's it. So, what I mean to say is: Is it entirely possible that outside of the animated few who are predisposed to hear from each other will anyone even realize there's an issue here?
You might very well be right. I personally had no idea who Ultimate Warrior was, and if forced to guess would have said MMA or something similar; I certainly wasn't familiar enough to know about his past statements.
But now that it is out there, and many people have made the connection, I don't guess that the controversy will just fade away.
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It's only cancel culture when someone or something they like is being cancelled.
This is where we meme it into it's only cancel culture when it come from the cancel culture region of France, otherwise it's just sparkling hypocrisy.
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You might very well be right. I personally had no idea who Ultimate Warrior was, and if forced to guess would have said MMA or something similar; I certainly wasn't familiar enough to know about his past statements.
I think for the most part, wrestling fans would be the only ones immediately aware, but there's a surprisingly large cross section of WWE/Big East fans (led by the former Big East Coast Bias podcast hosts) which is why it immediately stood out as a poor choice to me.
After Gold, it just amazes me anyone would make a shift like this without doing a Google search first.
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If anyone is really that offended by the new name, then they have two options: 1) not watch or support the team or 2) watch the team as a hypocrite but continue to demand the team changes its name through social media or letter writing campaigns. Do I agree with what Ultimate Warrior said? Absolutely not. Does the team utilizing a log that incorporates his wrestling gimmick automatically speak to my personal views? Again, no.
Unfortunately, there will always be tremendously unhappy people that will not be content until everyone around them is as unhappy as they are. Very unfortunate.
+ 1,000,000,000. Perfect summation. Thank you.
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We're approaching 30 years as Golden Eagles. One of our greatest traditions is we don't have traditions. We change uniforms, mascots and nickname more than the Pittsburgh Steelers change coaches.
Let's starting working on the next name and let's trial balloon it with TBT.
Page 2 in the Nickname Change Case Study PowerPoint: Ultimate Warriors probably a no-go.
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+ 1,000,000,000. Perfect summation. Thank you.
What? Is anyone who complained about the name doing anything but complaining about the name? You went on and on with your mindless “woke” comment but then your fine with what he said?
Man you’re really slipping...
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If anyone is really that offended by the new name, then they have two options: 1) not watch or support the team or 2) watch the team as a hypocrite but continue to demand the team changes its name through social media or letter writing campaigns. Do I agree with what Ultimate Warrior said? Absolutely not. Does the team utilizing a log that incorporates his wrestling gimmick automatically speak to my personal views? Again, no.
Unfortunately, there will always be tremendously unhappy people that will not be content until everyone around them is as unhappy as they are. Very unfortunate.
I'm pretty sure none of us who don't like the name are demanding a name change "through social media or letter writing campaigns". We're just pointing out the naming a basketball team after a guy who clearly outed himself as racist and homophobic in real life seems like an odd choice. I honestly think the guys probably have no idea about his persona outside of wrestling, but if you were to show them his comments on Katrina victims, MLK, etc. today, they probably wouldn't make the same choice.
And being mindful of other's feelings and/or who I hold in high esteem doesn't make me unhappy.
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I'm pretty sure none of us who don't like the name are demanding a name change "through social media or letter writing campaigns". We're just pointing out the naming a basketball team after a guy who clearly outed himself as racist and homophobic in real life seems like an odd choice. I honestly think the guys probably have no idea about his persona outside of wrestling, but if you were to show them his comments on Katrina victims, MLK, etc. today, they probably wouldn't make the same choice.
And being mindful of other's feelings and/or who I hold in high esteem doesn't make me unhappy.
Right. This idea that the only way you'd point out that the person you are celebrating was a racist homophobe is if you're a miserable people who is only happy by sucking all the joy out of everyone else's life is laughable.
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I'm pretty sure none of us who don't like the name are demanding a name change "through social media or letter writing campaigns". We're just pointing out the naming a basketball team after a guy who clearly outed himself as racist and homophobic in real life seems like an odd choice. I honestly think the guys probably have no idea about his persona outside of wrestling, but if you were to show them his comments on Katrina victims, MLK, etc. today, they probably wouldn't make the same choice.
And being mindful of other's feelings and/or who I hold in high esteem doesn't make me unhappy.
There are posters in this thread that have used social media at the TBT account demanding that it be changed.
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There are posters in this thread that have used social media at the TBT account demanding that it be changed.
Not one person “demanded” that it be changed. Brew asked that they reconsider.
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The Ultimate Warrior was a character played by a guy. Just because he changed his named does not make him the character from the WWF. If Christian Bale changed his name to Bruce Wayne doesn't make him Batman. Same with the 10,000 characters played by actors and actresses over time.
So the guy who played the Ultimate Warrior was a scum bag. Doesn't change that his character was wildly popular and in no way reflects on the guys who are playing. Move along.
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The Ultimate Warrior was a character played by a guy. Just because he changed his named does not make him the character from the WWF. If Christian Bale changed his name to Bruce Wayne doesn't make him Batman. Same with the 10,000 characters played by actors and actresses over time.
So the guy who played the Ultimate Warrior was a scum bag. Doesn't change that his character was wildly popular and in no way reflects on the guys who are playing. Move along.
He also invented the character. Christian Bale didn't invent Bruce Wayne.
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Means nothing. What horrible statement did he make while in character (during an appearance at a WWF event)? Willie Wapum is racist. Then we would should erase every player who played during that era. And I'll stop watching Seinfeld because the rant Michael Richards had a few years ago. After all. Just because it's a made up character.
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Willie Wapum is racist.
That alone is reason enough to not try to throw back to that nickname.
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Means nothing. What horrible statement did he make while in character (during an appearance at a WWF event)? Willie Wapum is racist. Then we would should erase every player who played during that era. And I'll stop watching Seinfeld because the rant Michael Richards had a few years ago. After all. Just because it's a made up character.
More terrible analogies.
Lotsa people struggled with logic back in the day...
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He's a made up character (thus the WWE lawsuit against him). But I guess you think Godfather was a real pimp outside the ring. Or Iron Sheik loved the Aytollah even though he fled Iran. And Ivan Kolofff, also known as the Russian Bear, grew up on a dairy farm in Canada.
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That alone is reason enough to not try to throw back to that nickname.
True, the Marquette Willies would be a terrible nickname
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He's a made up character (thus the WWE lawsuit against him). But I guess you think Godfather was a real pimp outside the ring. Or Iron Sheik loved the Aytollah even though he fled Iran. And Ivan Kolofff, also known as the Russian Bear, grew up on a dairy farm in Canada.
Nope. Think again. They are indistinguishable regardless of what other characters you are mentioning.
Are you planning on going 3/3 in bad analogies?
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And because these wrestling characters are indistinguishable is why Knoxville elected Kane as their mayor. For non wrestling fans Google Kane WWE and tell me what in the characters plot lines would make you want to vote for him as mayor.
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Lotsa people struggled with logic back in the day...
Many of you still are.
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What? Is anyone who complained about the name doing anything but complaining about the name? You went on and on with your mindless “woke” comment but then your fine with what he said?
I went “on and on” says the guy who constantly goes on and on and on and on? Try some self awareness, Sultan...it would look good on you.
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I went “on and on” says the guy who constantly goes on and on and on and on? Try some self awareness, Sultan...it would look good on you.
Deflection because you can't defend your point. Or you more likely forgot it.
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Pathetic.
Go Warriors!
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The national nightmare is over
https://twitter.com/GoldenEaglesTBT/status/1397636117709611009
“After further review, we have decided to go back to GOLDEN EAGLES. We were not aware of and do not stand for any negative views associated with the rebrand. WE. ARE. (Still) the GOLDEN EAGLES.”
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Cue Emily Latella: "Never mind." ;D
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To date: The bloggers have killed Wojo & The Ultimate Warrior.
Who will they turn on next?
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Looks like an oversight by the team and glad they corrected it. I had no idea of the past until reading this thread.
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To date: The bloggers have killed Wojo & The Ultimate Warrior.
Who will they turn on next?
Maybe this Cancel Culture thing is good
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To date: The bloggers have killed Wojo & The Ultimate Warrior.
I prefer to think of it as they paved the way for the Shaka era and restored the nickname a Marquette basketball team had when they won the championship.
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Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on “cancel culture” when there’s backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.
the patch, and Ultimate Warriors both suck
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the patch, and Ultimate Warriors both suck
If you think the patch sucked, you have a problem.
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Back to the subject... anyone seen a roster yet?
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Back to the subject... anyone seen a roster yet?
Mo Charlo
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Thankfully they went back to
The TBT / Golden Eagles ...
The whole Ultimate Warrior (s) thing was MORONIC on many levels. U finally win the Title and then change the name ??
Stupid
U would think Chapman and the others would have known better
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Thankfully they went back to
The TBT / Golden Eagles ...
The whole Ultimate Warrior (s) thing was MORONIC on many levels. U finally win the Title and then change the name ??
Stupid
U would think Chapman and the others would have known better
I actually believe their statement that they were unaware of his non-wrestling past. I know they could have spent time Googling etc. before making a name change, but it's not like they have a marketing dept. - it's just some guys who have other things going on in their lives who probably had fond childhood memories of a wrestler. That being said, they definitely made the right decision to chuck the name change.
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I actually believe their statement that they were unaware of his non-wrestling past. I know they could have spent time Googling etc. before making a name change, but it's not like they have a marketing dept. - it's just some guys who have other things going on in their lives who probably had fond childhood memories of a wrestler. That being said, they definitely made the right decision to chuck the name change.
They 100% had no idea and yes a few of them were / are big WWE fans. They were just trying to do something cool.
To quote the great Rick Majerus, there are errors of commission and errors of omission. Be careful in how you scold someone who is trying to do something good and errors.
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They 100% had no idea and yes a few of them were / are big WWE fans. They were just trying to do something cool.
To quote the great Rick Majerus, there are errors of commission and errors of omission. Be careful in how you scold someone who is trying to do something good and errors.
Yep.
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They 100% had no idea and yes a few of them were / are big WWE fans. They were just trying to do something cool.
To quote the great Rick Majerus, there are errors of commission and errors of omission. Be careful in how you scold someone who is trying to do something good and errors.
Choosing Ultimate Warrior seems to have been an honest mistake. I think they handled going back correctly after realizing why that part of their decision was poorly conceived.
However, it is worth noting that simply trying to affiliate with the Warriors nickname Marquette has spent 27 years trying to walk away from due to the racism inherent in that name most visible in the 1950s & 60s was also a misstep. There have been multi-million dollar attempts to go back to it by alumni, calls from the fans, and Marquette has not wavered in refusing to affiliate the University with that moniker.
That was also a mistake, and far closer to being one of commission.
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Glad they made the change. Looking forward to our team challenging for a title again
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TBT just posted about their top questions this year. One of the top ones was "are the golden eagles too old?"
I mean one year after a championship, two year after being Runner Up I feel like that's just a talking point they'll start bringing up every year till it's actually true.
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glad they changed it back. i was crying. the native community was deeply hurt. my god the sanctimonoiuos ppl on here are cringe. who the hell even cares.was there one person in the world that was offended by the mu tbt team changing the name.why the warrior name has to be racist is beyond me. whatevrr golden eagle or warrior. works for me
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Hoping they can see fit to take Duane Wilson on this years team, to replace the injured DJO.
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glad they changed it back. i was crying. the native community was deeply hurt. my god the sanctimonoiuos ppl on here are cringe. who the hell even cares.was there one person in the world that was offended by the mu tbt team changing the name.why the warrior name has to be racist is beyond me. whatevrr golden eagle or warrior. works for me
Nothing wrong with the nickname "Warrior"
Willie Wampum on the other hand....
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Nothing wrong with the nickname "Warrior"
Willie Wampum on the other hand....
the big issue for MU was they did not believe the Native American imagery could ever be fully disassociated from the Warrior name. Kids showing up to games in headdresses years later confirmed their beliefs.
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the big issue for MU was they did not believe the Native American imagery could ever be fully disassociated from the Warrior name. Kids showing up to games in headdresses years later confirmed their beliefs.
Yep
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Yep
Nonsense.
I was on the Mascot Committee at MU where we commissioned an artist who drew all sorts of different "warriors" (Roman, tribal, etc) and DiUlio said they were all too "aggressive and violent" lol. MU, as usual, was totally pathetic in their decision making.
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Nonsense.
I was on the Mascot Committee at MU where we commissioned an artist who drew all sorts of different "warriors" (Roman, tribal, etc) and DiUlio said they were all too "aggressive and violent" lol. MU, as usual, was totally pathetic in their decision making.
When was that? Had MU walked away from native imagery in the 1960s, it could've worked. By the 1980s, it was far too late.
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When was that? Had MU walked away from native imagery in the 1960s, it could've worked. By the 1980s, it was far too late.
its over at this point damn. lmk when students are wearing head dresses to games again
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its over at this point damn. lmk when students are wearing head dresses to games again
Last I saw was two or three years ago.
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Nonsense.
I was on the Mascot Committee at MU where we commissioned an artist who drew all sorts of different "warriors" (Roman, tribal, etc) and DiUlio said they were all too "aggressive and violent" lol. MU, as usual, was totally pathetic in their decision making.
So the early 90s? Too late. MU should have moved away from it earlier.
And the decision was already made when the committee was put together so they just wasted your time.
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its over at this point damn. lmk when students are wearing head dresses to games again
There was a controversy in 2007 when MU asked a student to not wear headdresses and our old friend Dr. McAdams, went to bat for the kid and more kids stepped up to wear them to the ESPN prime time televised game against Pitt.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/blog/rogues/headdress2.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2007/03/indian-headdresses-at-tomorrows.html
The founder of the group, John Johannes, explains:
In response to the banning of Dan O’Connell’s headdress, lets all wear Indian Headdresses to the PITT Game. They can’t kick us all out, and if they try they will make the university look like an ass! Hell I don’t even know Dan but im on his side! So get all your friends and wear a headdress! Get some construction paper contruction paper and some safety scissors and make your own!
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the big issue for MU was they did not believe the Native American imagery could ever be fully disassociated from the Warrior name. Kids showing up to games in headdresses years later confirmed their beliefs.
that was done out of spite. My housemate jr and sr year was the First Warrior. MarquetteMike knows who I’m referring to. The First Warrior wrote a number of correspondence to MU’s admin to keep Warriors. He knew of no Native Americans from the Menomonie...his band...that objected to Warriors and is proud of the Native American depicted in the university seal.
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If you think the patch sucked, you have a problem.
have a nice day
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There was a controversy in 2007 when MU asked a student to not wear headdresses and our old friend Dr. McAdams, went to bat for the kid and more kids stepped up to wear them to the ESPN prime time televised game against Pitt.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/blog/rogues/headdress2.html
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2007/03/indian-headdresses-at-tomorrows.html
The founder of the group, John Johannes, explains:
In response to the banning of Dan O’Connell’s headdress, lets all wear Indian Headdresses to the PITT Game. They can’t kick us all out, and if they try they will make the university look like an ass! Hell I don’t even know Dan but im on his side! So get all your friends and wear a headdress! Get some construction paper contruction paper and some safety scissors and make your own!
The thing I got from the first link was how quickly a moderator here was willing to dox a professor to let some kid be a spoiled dbag. I mean I arrived at MU 2yrs later and while I would've said it's a bit much to threaten to kick the student out, I think a big head dress campaign was the stereotypical white guy reaction to not being able to objectify people.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=74a686ecfd42941af2bbb310a1d2c3ff&topic=2155.msg15974#msg15974
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The thing I got from the first link was how quickly a moderator here was willing to dox a professor to let some kid be a spoiled dbag. I mean I arrived at MU 2yrs later and while I would've said it's a bit much to threaten to kick the student out, I think a big head dress campaign was the stereotypical white guy reaction to not being able to objectify people.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=74a686ecfd42941af2bbb310a1d2c3ff&topic=2155.msg15974#msg15974
Wow that entire thing was a blast from the past. References to the boxers (bring that back) woooof.
Also, that isn't doxing. Doxing would be taking a posters private information (Such as address, phone, name, etc) and making that knowledge known to the public.
The moderator posted publicly available information about a professor who wouldn't have reasonable assumption of privacy over such information. Now it would have been doxing had the moderator said such and such poster is the professor, here is his info, go at him.
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Wow that entire thing was a blast from the past. References to the boxers (bring that back) woooof.
Also, that isn't doxing. Doxing would be taking a posters private information (Such as address, phone, name, etc) and making that knowledge known to the public.
The moderator posted publicly available information about a professor who wouldn't have reasonable assumption of privacy over such information. Now it would have been doxing had the moderator said such and such poster is the professor, here is his info, go at him.
Thanks for the correction, I guess the word would've been "cancel" McMahon.
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Nonsense.
I was on the Mascot Committee at MU where we commissioned an artist who drew all sorts of different "warriors" (Roman, tribal, etc) and DiUlio said they were all too "aggressive and violent" lol. MU, as usual, was totally pathetic in their decision making.
That is pretty funny. The Webster definition of "Warrior."
Definition of warrior
: a person engaged or experienced in warfare
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Guys its been thirty years. The University isn't changing back. More than time to simply move on.
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So the early 90s? Too late. MU should have moved away from it earlier.
And the decision was already made when the committee was put together so they just wasted your time.
spoken like a Dane County Badger
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New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link
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New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link
I hear Egyptians are outraged
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New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link
Vegas Eagles
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New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link
That's half warrior, half golden eagle for those who haven't noticed.
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Now that's a logo that Shaka should take a good look at and encourage Marquette's marketing people to embrace.
It would be by far the best symbol/logo of MU's Golden Eagles era.
Just looked at it again ... I effen love it!
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New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link
I'm pretty meh on this logo. Not really a fan of the blue and gold shades they chose. Might just be how those shades interact with the black.
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I'm pretty meh on this logo. Not really a fan of the blue and gold shades they chose. Might just be how those shades interact with the black.
Yeah, and I don't know what that flame thing is coming out of its eye. And what is it with the white and blue "Golden?"
Way overproduced.
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Clearly a rip off the Golden Knights, but I love it. Definitely a subtle homage to a type of Warrior mascot.
If I were gonna rip off a warrior team though I'd have a picture of the 6th street bridge and call us the Golden Warriors.
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New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link
It's fine for what it is, and better than a reference to the Ultimate Warrior, but in no way should the university adopt this logo.
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It reminds me of the DePaul logo
https://depaulbluedemons.com/
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At least it's better than the old logo - which was of a Bald Eagle, not a Golden Eagle - and looked like Microsoft clip art.
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So who will replace DJO ( out with injury) on this years TBT? The guy had the heart of lion so they need to take that into consideration.
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I’ve heard Markus isn’t good enough to play in the NBA. Maybe he’d play? Then again, do you want a cancer on your team when you just beat a team named Sideline Cancer in the finals?
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DJO out, Vander in. Jamil Wilson not yet shown on roster.
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I’ve heard Markus isn’t good enough to play in the NBA. Maybe he’d play? Then again, do you want a cancer on your team when you just beat a team named Sideline Cancer in the finals?
omg can we drop the cancer markus thing? how many times has this been said. q
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omg can we drop the cancer markus thing? how many times has this been said. q
I think it'll get repeated till PRN admits he was being dumb
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PRN wasn't alone.
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PRN wasn't alone.
Who else called Markus a cancer? Honestly asking.
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DJO out, Vander in. Jamil Wilson not yet shown on roster.
Vander is a nice addition, he’s still only 28 and can ball.
But the sleeper for me is Matt Lojeski. He’s 25, but he has played the last decade for the cream of the crop teams in Greece (Olympiacos, Panathiakos, and AEK Athens) and was the top scorer in the Euroleague a couple years back. Dude is a real solid player. Takes over that Diener role probably
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Vander is a nice addition, he’s still only 28 and can ball.
But the sleeper for me is Matt Lojeski. He’s 25, but he has played the last decade for the cream of the crop teams in Greece (Olympiacos, Panathiakos, and AEK Athens) and was the top scorer in the Euroleague a couple years back. Dude is a real solid player. Takes over that Diener role probably
Is Vander definitely on the team or just speculation?
How about Loj?
I’m not Instagram privy and didn’t find anything on a quick search.
I would love these additions because Van was one of my recent favorites at MU and I’m a big Olympiakos fan so I also love Lojeski
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https://thetournament.com/teams/golden-eagles-marquette-alumni/
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https://thetournament.com/teams/golden-eagles-marquette-alumni/
Good lord, someone help them with their web design...
Also, they're gonna need some more height on that team.
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Who else called Markus a cancer? Honestly asking.
Mrs Hauser.
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Vander is a nice addition, he’s still only 28 and can ball.
But the sleeper for me is Matt Lojeski. He’s 25, but he has played the last decade for the cream of the crop teams in Greece (Olympiacos, Panathiakos, and AEK Athens) and was the top scorer in the Euroleague a couple years back. Dude is a real solid player. Takes over that Diener role probably
Love that Vander is on the team. He is all about winning.
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Mrs Hauser.
Was just going to say that
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Vander is a nice addition, he’s still only 28 and can ball.
But the sleeper for me is Matt Lojeski. He’s 25, but he has played the last decade for the cream of the crop teams in Greece (Olympiacos, Panathiakos, and AEK Athens) and was the top scorer in the Euroleague a couple years back. Dude is a real solid player. Takes over that Diener role probably
You meant, he's 35.
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Good lord, someone help them with their web design...
Also, they're gonna need some more height on that team.
How much height is typically in this tournament. Other than the year Sullinger played, I thought most teams played pretty small lineups. I know Gardner was basically unplayable due to not being able to guard anyone.
Maybe one more big guy for when Fischer gets in foul trouble. If Jamil plays, he’d probably cover the big guy. Or Cook.
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How much height is typically in this tournament. Other than the year Sullinger played, I thought most teams played pretty small lineups. I know Gardner was basically unplayable due to not being able to guard anyone.
Maybe one more big guy for when Fischer gets in foul trouble. If Jamil plays, he’d probably cover the big guy. Or Cook.
I think Jamil is the prototype big guy for this tournament. Can guard all 5 positions.
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What about Davante Gardner? He's only 24 and is a big time winner.
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What about Davante Gardner? He's only 24 and is a big time winner.
Davante is closing in on 30
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Love that Vander is on the team. He is all about winning.
Just don't tell the opposing teams about the Vander Orange thing.
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Davante is closing in on 30
He ran like he was closing in on 30 when he was a Marquette freshman!
Loved the big guy, though (even if he wasn't "automatic").
I wonder if he'd shoot a half-dozen 3s a game if he were playing in today's college ball.
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What about Davante Gardner? He's only 24 and is a big time winner.
Was barely able to play last time he was on TBT. All around bad matchups for him.
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We don't play big typically. Luke gets some minutes as a traditional 5.
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We don't play big typically. Luke gets some minutes as a traditional 5.
Yo Glow. When you coming down, need to drink beers again. In this tournament most don't play real big more athletic fast with length.
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https://twitter.com/joechap32/status/1404497336810848257
So Jamil is also back, but I wonder who Joe is referring to...
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https://twitter.com/joechap32/status/1404497336810848257
So Jamil is also back, but I wonder who Joe is referring to...
Still trying on Diener?
I think Duane Wilson has wanted to play in the past.
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Really too bad DJO is out. This roster would be the best MU has had in their TBT history. Pretty stacked.
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Wade Novak and Deiner running it back
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Really too bad DJO is out. This roster would be the best MU has had in their TBT history. Pretty stacked.
Yeah adding Vander to the defending champs woulda been really tough to top.
Swapping him in for DJO at least keeps us really strong.
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Still trying on Diener?
I think Duane Wilson has wanted to play in the past.
I thought Diener made it clear that last year was it for him? Couldn't really go out on a higher note.
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I thought Diener made it clear that last year was it for him? Couldn't really go out on a higher note.
Yea. I just remember last year Chapman told Diener he was playing while Diener was on the golf course.
I figure this year with no bubble, he may join the team, even if he’s largely there as a coach.
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does David Moss have ties with Acker? From Thornwood. A bit older, at 37.
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I never collected my money from last years win. I wonder if it is still there.
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I never collected my money from last years win. I wonder if it is still there.
No, there was a time limit. Expired a long time ago.
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So is the roster locked in??
I see no add ons and it sounds like the deadline was today.
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So is the roster locked in??
I see no add ons and it sounds like the deadline was today.
Teams just need 7 players by today. Have up ot 72 hours before their first game to adjust the roster.
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Will we def have a game Saturday, or could there be a bye?
Tempted to DRIVE down to Peoria
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Anyone get the TBT selection committee email?
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Teams just need 7 players by today. Have up ot 72 hours before their first game to adjust the roster.
Ahh that makes way more sense. Figured teams shouldnt have to have full squads committed this early.
Also explains why the TBT was retweeting the fact that we weren't done adding on just the other day.
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(http://)
Golden Eagles Game 1
July 25 6:00pm Eastern on ESPN
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Diener is back.
The question is, does he know?
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Diener is back.
The question is, does he know?
They probably forgot to tell him
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This is a nice feature on Diener. I saw it on TV, Ch 6 in Milwaukee... 8-)
https://www.fox6now.com/sports/travis-diener-returns-to-the-basketball-tournament
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Final game, last possession, Travis Diener.....perfect decoy, Jamal with the dunk!
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When I was at MU it was the Hilltopers, and I was anxious for something else. I was pleased with Warriors, but when the controversy with the Indian feelings emerged, I agreed and embraced the Eagles. It's all trivial, and sensitive to Native Americans. Warriors is forgotten and I am fine with that. Most students don't remember the former and have no burning desire to return to it. Let's grow up and move into a new century with empathy for the beliefs of others, pride in our past and hope for our future.
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When I was at MU it was the Hilltopers, and I was anxious for something else. I was pleased with Warriors, but when the controversy with the Indian feelings emerged, I agreed and embraced the Eagles. It's all trivial, and sensitive to Native Americans. Warriors is forgotten and I am fine with that. Most students don't remember the former and have no burning desire to return to it. Let's grow up and move into a new century with empathy for the beliefs of others, pride in our past and hope for our future.
Who is this hero in a mask and cape?
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Pretty nice game winner for the blue crew
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but Sacar Anim is now listed on the Golden Eagles TBT team. Big addition!
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but Sacar Anim is now listed on the Golden Eagles TBT team. Big addition!
Hmmmmm, not so sure.
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Hmmmmm, not so sure.
Not so sure if Sacar is listed, or not so sure it's a "big addition."
Because he is listed.
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Not so sure if Sacar is listed, or not so sure it's a "big addition."
Because he is listed.
Big addition
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When I was at MU it was the Hilltopers, and I was anxious for something else. I was pleased with Warriors, but when the controversy with the Indian feelings emerged, I agreed and embraced the Eagles. It's all trivial, and sensitive to Native Americans. Warriors is forgotten and I am fine with that. Most students don't remember the former and have no burning desire to return to it. Let's grow up and move into a new century with empathy for the beliefs of others, pride in our past and hope for our future.
What about empathy for those who believe it should still be warriors? After all in today's cancel culture that would be athrowback that many would believe in.
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What about empathy for those who believe it should still be warriors? After all in today's cancel culture that would be athrowback that many would believe in.
I was a neighbor one room over at Schroeder freshman/sophomore years, then housemate jr/sr yrs with The First Warrior. He is Menominee. He petitioned MU to remain Warriors. MU had this narrative that numerous NA groups wanted the nickname change. To this day he’s bothered by the change, but going back not happening, especially in today’s political climate. Embrace the BLM organization. Warriors? bad.
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I was a neighbor one room over at Schroeder freshman/sophomore years, then housemate jr/sr yrs with The First Warrior. He is Menominee. He petitioned MU to remain Warriors. MU had this narrative that numerous NA groups wanted the nickname change. To this day he’s bothered by the change, but going back not happening, especially in today’s political climate. Embrace the BLM organization. Warriors? bad.
Interesting and nailed it Viper.
Similar to the Cleveland Indians dropping everything Chief Wahoo over supposed offense to Native Americans. My neighbor who is NA is from Cleveland and a big Indians fan, and to this day has a Chief Wahoo flag up.
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What about empathy for those who believe it should still be warriors? After all in today's cancel culture that would be athrowback that many would believe in.
I had empathy. But it ran out years ago. It's been over 25 years, long past time to move on.
I was a neighbor one room over at Schroeder freshman/sophomore years, then housemate jr/sr yrs with The First Warrior. He is Menominee. He petitioned MU to remain Warriors. MU had this narrative that numerous NA groups wanted the nickname change. To this day he’s bothered by the change, but going back not happening, especially in today’s political climate. Embrace the BLM organization. Warriors? bad.
Interesting and nailed it Viper.
Similar to the Cleveland Indians dropping everything Chief Wahoo over supposed offense to Native Americans. My neighbor who is NA is from Cleveland and a big Indians fan, and to this day has a Chief Wahoo flag up.
Well if one person of native American descent is okay with it than it must be okay right? ::)
And Viper, MU has not embraced the BLM organization. They've embraced the BLM movement. Two very different things
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Well if one person of native American descent is okay with it than it must be okay right? ::)
And his opinion doesn’t count and there’s undeniably no one else who shares his view out there, right? That’s what’s wrong about all this rush to political correctness, it’s all a pre determined outcome and pretending to speak for a majority.
Such as Native Americans polled by the Washington Post in 2016 overwhelmingly being fine with the Redskins nickname. Then 4 years later the name suddenly and absolutely had to be changed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html
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And his opinion doesn’t count and there’s undeniably no one else who shares his view out there, right? That’s what’s wrong about all this rush to political correctness, it’s all a pre determined outcome and pretending to speak for a majority.
Such as Native Americans polled by the Washington Post in 2016 overwhelmingly being fine with the Redskins nickname. Then 4 years later the name suddenly and absolutely had to be changed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html
This is where people always get lost. It doesn't matter if a majority are insulted or not. It only matters that a significant population of reasonable people are.
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This is where people always get lost. It doesn't matter if a majority are insulted or not. It only matters that a significant population of reasonable people are.
Thank goodness you’re here for us lost souls.
A 2019 WP poll further reaffirmed the ‘16 results and dug deeper.
I won’t derail this thread further.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html%3foutputType=amp
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And I can be insulted by Redskins and Indians as a non-Native individual as well.
Anyway, the name Warriors wasn't the problem. It was Warriors plus the association with Native imagery that was. As has been stated 100 times.
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Thank goodness you’re here for us lost souls.
A 2019 WP poll further reaffirmed the ‘16 results and dug deeper.
I won’t derail this thread further.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html%3foutputType=amp
I'm shocked you don't get it. Completely shocked.
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Thank goodness you’re here for us lost souls.
A 2019 WP poll further reaffirmed the ‘16 results and dug deeper.
I won’t derail this thread further.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html%3foutputType=amp
Again whether or not a majority are insulted is irrelevant. All that matters is that a significant population of reasonable people are. There are literally 1000s of mascots that no reasonable person could find insulting to their race. Why would you go with the one that was insulting to the race of 1000s of people?
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And I can be insulted by Redskins and Indians as a non-Native individual as well.
Anyway, the name Warriors wasn't the problem. It was Warriors plus the association with Native imagery that was. As has been stated 100 times.
The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.
Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.
And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.
That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.
Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.
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The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.
Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.
And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.
That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.
Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.
Yep yep yep.
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Agreed Dr. B.
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The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.
Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.
And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.
That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.
Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.
The best thing I have ever read on Scoop regarding this subject.
Thanks, Dr. B.
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This is where people always get lost. It doesn't matter if a majority are insulted or not. It only matters that a significant population of reasonable people are.
I’m one of those “reasonable people” (imo) who has always been offended by “redskins”. It was a derogatory slur when I was growing up and that is always how I will view it.
However, I have oft times been lectured here (fairly) that words over time either change their meanings or the effects they have on people. Some that were perfectly fine in my youth are off limits now. Does that also work in reverse? You say it doesn’t matter if a majority are offended. I agree. But 90% isn’t remotely close to 50/50. It’s a super, super majority and it’s rare that any poll is that overwhelmingly one sided. I disagree with the 90%, but doesn’t their opinion matter?
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The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.
Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.
And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.
That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.
Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.
Nailed it, Doc.
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However, I have oft times been lectured here (fairly) that words over time either change their meanings or the effects they have on people. Some that were perfectly fine in my youth are off limits now. Does that also work in reverse?
Can you give me an example? I honestly can't think of one so I'm inclined to say no.
You say it doesn’t matter if a majority are offended. I agree. But 90% isn’t remotely close to 50/50. It’s a super, super majority and it’s rare that any poll is that overwhelmingly one sided. I disagree with the 90%, but doesn’t their opinion matter?
Of course their opinion matters. But that doesn't mean that you ignore the minority. There are literally 1000s of nicknames that they will also find to not be offensive.
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The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.
Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.
And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.
That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.
Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.
Great post Dr. B. The name change was definitely executed in a way to try to hide from the mistakes of the past rather than take ownership for them and do better moving forward. It was the cowardly way to address it.
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MU changing their name from Warriors to Golden Eagles hasn't effected me in any way shape or form. When Native American groups ask teams not to use their history as a mascot it seems like a really simple concession to make. They deserve a lot more.
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Cool debate on the warrior name - we should discuss bringing back football too….
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Cool debate on the warrior name - we should discuss bringing back football too….
I think it was a big mistake to get rid of Football.
That said, how about that addition of Sacar to Golden Eagles Alumni. Gives the team another strong defensive presence and outside shooting. Will need a guy like him given who some of the other teams have been recruiting.
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Cool debate on the warrior name - we should discuss bringing back football too….
It's an offseason tradition. Means that the discussion on who is and isn't a Blue Blood is right around the corner.
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............ so any TBT news?
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............ so any TBT news?
They don't play till next week
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Cool debate on the warrior name - we should discuss bringing back football too….
No Dick would be against it. MU beat them in their last football game. And everybody knows that No Dick controls college football.
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This is where people always get lost. It doesn't matter if a majority are insulted or not. It only matters that a significant population of reasonable people are.
Define "significant population". Translation: a handful of snowflakes
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Nm
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I had empathy. But it ran out years ago. It's been over 25 years, long past time to move on.
Well if one person of native American descent is okay with it than it must be okay right? ::)
And Viper, MU has not embraced the BLM organization. They've embraced the BLM movement. Two very different things
ok, so MU has not embraced the BLM ‘organization’, just the ‘movement’. Hmm. Well, I doubt too many folks get that. Since the BLM organization is garbage, MU should find a different approach, a different way to promote the black lives sentiment. The connotation is bad. In fact, wasn’t that one reason given as to MU not remaining Warriors, but with a different mascot? The connotation of negative NA imagery was too great? Oh well, it is what it is and probably always will be. But man, Golden Eagles is just sooo lame.
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............ so any TBT news?
Best Virginia almost totally blew the Elam Ending in their game.
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And I can be insulted by Redskins and Indians as a non-Native individual as well.
Anyway, the name Warriors wasn't the problem. It was Warriors plus the association with Native imagery that was. As has been stated 100 times.
...not debating, just asking...what about the University seal with Explorer Pere Marquette in a canoe with a Native American? The relationship between European explorer and NA’s was significant, and should be embraced, IMO. The Warriors moniker and ‘logo’ from ‘82 or thereabouts, and going forward, seemed pretty benign.
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Re:TBT...when’s the WarriorEagles, or whatever we are, first game?
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...not debating, just asking...what about the University seal with Explorer Pere Marquette in a canoe with a Native American? The relationship between European explorer and NA’s was significant, and should be embraced, IMO. The Warriors moniker and ‘logo’ from ‘82 or thereabouts, and going forward, seemed pretty benign.
I have no problem with the seal. But I also just don't really get all hung up on those things either. If the University wants to change because people are taking offense to it, it really doesn't bother me one bit.
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I should also add that Marquette does a bunch of things more significant in its relationships with Natives than its seal and former nickname.
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Re:TBT...when’s the WarriorEagles, or whatever we are, first game?
July 24
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ok, so MU has not embraced the BLM ‘organization’, just the ‘movement’. Hmm. Well, I doubt too many folks get that.
My experience has been that everyone gets that except for those who willfully don't get it.
Since the BLM organization is garbage, MU should find a different approach, a different way to promote the black lives sentiment. The connotation is bad. In fact, wasn’t that one reason given as to MU not remaining Warriors, but with a different mascot? The connotation of negative NA imagery was too great?
I don't think connotation means what you think it does. But I think I understand what you are trying to say. There will always be reasons/excuses to not support a social justice movement. There were plenty of people during the 1960s who said that they couldn't support MLK's movement because of Malcolm X, or because of King's views on Vietnam, or because of King's personal failings etc. The movement was still just. The Warriors nickname is not a social justice movement. It is a mascot. Trying to compare the two doesn't work.
Oh well, it is what it is and probably always will be. But man, Golden Eagles is just sooo lame.
I've been wrong before but I agree with you that I don't see it changing. At this point, I think there are more living Golden Eagles alumni than Warrior alumni and that disparity will only grow. I actually don't have a problem with Golden Eagle as a mascot. Not the most unique name and certainly not related to MU history in anyway besides gold being our color, but they are bada$$ creatures IRL.
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The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.
Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.
And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.
That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.
Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.
Blackheart ---> Nail ---> Head
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Can you give me an example? I honestly can't think of one so I'm inclined to say no.
The one that comes to mind is "gay". Definitely a derogatory slur when I was growing up, at least for the most part, but now simply a descriptor of sexual orientation, at least for the most part.
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The one that comes to mind is "gay". Definitely a derogatory slur when I was growing up, at least for the most part, but now simply a descriptor of sexual orientation, at least for the most part.
I'm not sure I can count that one. I could have the history wrong, but my understanding is that gay was used to refer to men who were attracted to other men before it became a slur. It became a slur because gays were considered lesser in society so using the correct term for a gay man as an insult worked. I don't know that the meaning of the word has changed, I think we now just recognize that using the proper term as an insult is not appropriate. Even so, gay is still used as an insult by some in society.
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Did I miss a poll anywhere re: expectations of where this TBT team will finish?
The comp is WAY better this year.
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Thank goodness you’re here for us lost souls.
A 2019 WP poll further reaffirmed the ‘16 results and dug deeper.
I won’t derail this thread further.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html%3foutputType=amp
But that is literally all you ever do.
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...not debating, just asking...what about the University seal with Explorer Pere Marquette in a canoe with a Native American? The relationship between European explorer and NA’s was significant, and should be embraced, IMO. The Warriors moniker and ‘logo’ from ‘82 or thereabouts, and going forward, seemed pretty benign.
Uh, about that…
https://marquettewire.org/4041092/featured/garner-marquette-must-change-seal-meet-nasa-demands/
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July 24
from the TBT website:
Sunday 7/25 @ 5:00 vs. B1 Ballers (compiled of overseas pros)
Monday 7/26 @ 3:00 would be the second round game
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Uh, about that…
https://marquettewire.org/4041092/featured/garner-marquette-must-change-seal-meet-nasa-demands/
thx for that, I think. re: Alexandra Garner, I’m just gonna move on. No comment. No rant. Just gonna move on.
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I had no idea Sacar joined the team.
He should be a really nice piece in this
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TBT team at the Al today, scrimmaging Shaka’s guys.
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TBT team at the Al today, scrimmaging Shaka’s guys.
Pics?
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TBT team at the Al today, scrimmaging Shaka’s guys.
Any idea how we looked?
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I’ve asked. Haven’t heard back yet.
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I’ve asked. Haven’t heard back yet.
Ty. That's a pretty cool opportunity for our guys. I'm curious if our bigs could do some damage inside.
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Any word on the impact to the MU team’s NCAAT seed?
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Any word on the impact to the MU team’s NCAAT seed?
Closing in on a 3 ... until the letter-writing campaign began.
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I can't find the time and date of our 1st game. The last info that I saw was tomorrow?? Thanks.
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I can't find the time and date of our 1st game. The last info that I saw was tomorrow?? Thanks.
Tomorrow 5 CT / 6 ET says espn 3
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The defending champs are on ESPN 3???
Completely and utterly inexcusable.
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Saw that House of Paign got upset today that is very helpful to our cause as they were the number 2 seed in our region
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Saw that House of Paign got upset today that is very helpful to our cause as they were the number 2 seed in our region
I don't think there was any chance we were playing them anyway. Boeheim's Army is the team to beat in this region. If anything, their path got easier, which is bad for us.
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The defending champs are on ESPN 3???
Completely and utterly inexcusable.
reddit streams .?
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Didant Ma have significant doin's in da 'hole Bleautaux fiasco, hey?
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The defending champs are on ESPN 3???
Completely and utterly inexcusable.
LOL, teal?
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The defending champs are on ESPN 3???
Completely and utterly inexcusable.
Tied to the nickname change?
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soooo, we got bumped by spikeball?
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43-34 at half
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Holy crap Sacar!!!! Great to see him here.
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Holy crap Sacar!!!! Great to see him here.
Where’s Sacar?
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We are playing the way we ended the last TBT season.
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Where’s Sacar?
Still on the bench with his warmup on.
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B1 Ballers' head coach is very entertaining.
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Stream? I can't get on espn 3 for some reason
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Stream? I can't get on espn 3 for some reason
I went to my ESPN Roku app and it was the first choice on the home page.
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interesting to see the two platoons:
Buycks, Acker, D. Wilson, J. Wilson and Cook
then Diener, Blue, Lojeski, Jarvis Williams and Fischer subbed in as a unit
Sacar and Rowsey on the bench
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How come Rowsey never got in a game last year and looks like he won't this year?
Luke Fisher was impressive.
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How come Rowsey never got in a game last year and looks like he won't this year?
Luke Fisher was impressive.
Not positive but I believe this is the first time Luke has been healthy. I thought last year he was either playing hurt or coming back from an injury.
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How come Rowsey never got in a game last year and looks like he won't this year?
Luke Fisher was impressive.
Because, a la Al, some players are there for practice, and can be called upon if truly needed. If Travis isn’t hitting or making passes, then maybe Rowsey comes in. He wasn’t needed today.
For Sacar, I imagine that if our inside game is not working, he will come in to cut and drive. Again, it wasn’t needed today. And Vander seems the first choice for that role. Understandably.
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I went to my ESPN Roku app and it was the first choice on the home page.
Didn't work on my Apple TV which is supposed to have ESPN 3 via Disney+
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score?
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Score??? Yes.
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score?
94-66 MU wins
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My oldest daughter (MU 2000) drove to Peoria with her two daughters to watch the game. They had a blast!
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94-66 MU wins
Ty I just found it. Looks like we got solid contributions across the board. Who's Lojeski? I know he sounds familiar.
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Ty I just found it. Looks like we got solid contributions across the board. Who's Lojeski? I know he sounds familiar.
I did the same and looked him up. Apparently St Catherine’s is the connections.
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Lojeski is from Racine, played D1 and has been playing in Europe. Watching today, I felt like he and Travis had a good connection. Maybe because they have both spent a lot of time playing in Europe. Maybe because they are both 35+?!
Fun to watch. Keep it going!
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Lojeski is from Racine, played D1 and has been playing in Europe. Watching today, I felt like he and Travis had a good connection. Maybe because they have both spent a lot of time playing in Europe. Maybe because they are both 35+?!
Fun to watch. Keep it going!
Ty. Any idea how Vander looked today?
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9 point lead at halftime and the B1 guys got the ball to start the second half.
Chapman went fullcourt press to start the half and the MU guys scored the first 8 points before B1 got the ball over halfcourt.
Very balanced scoring. I believe Cook led with 15 points. 7 players scored at least 7.
lob to Cook: https://twitter.com/i/status/1419420995753029635
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Ty. Any idea how Vander looked today?
I would say up and down. Had his moments but certainly not as good as I would have expected.
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I would say up and down. Had his moments but certainly not as good as I would have expected.
Hmmmm....okay. It's gonna be tough to fill DJO's shoes. He basically went full badass mode in numerous stretches last year.
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I agree with Dreams. Vander looked good in his ‘easy’ moments when he was free in the lane and had a great but simple steal. Yet he didn’t look confident like he could take over for some minutes (though no one really did, including Buycks and Jamil who should be expected to do so).
It was the first game, and I think/hope the team will settle in, and contributions will be consistent and valuable.
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Cook has been a tremendous TBT player for us. He was the perfect addition I must say. We really have a likable group of guys.
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Because, a la Al, some players are there for practice, and can be called upon if truly needed. If Travis isn’t hitting or making passes, then maybe Rowsey comes in. He wasn’t needed today.
For Sacar, I imagine that if our inside game is not working, he will come in to cut and drive. Again, it wasn’t needed today. And Vander seems the first choice for that role. Understandably.
This. Plus, I know participation isn’t always consistent. I think there was one year Jamil stopped midway through due to an NBA tryout. The bubble was a bit unique in that was much less of a concern.
Not bad to have some additional depth.
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Cook has been a tremendous TBT player for us. He was the perfect addition I must say. We really have a likable group of guys.
I agree that Cook has been a wonderful addition. I’ll also say that I think that Dan Fitzgerald and Joe Chapman have done a great job of seeing needs, filling gaps and managing the roster. And players have stepped up to play key roles. (For example, I love both Acker and D. Wilson on this team, along with Travis.)
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I am satisfied with Golden Eagles but with the comments on Marquette and Joliet perhaps we could have considered Explorers
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Very ironic that over the years Derrick has been a solid contributor to the success of the Golden Eagles team .
I think Defense and Passing are the two key important ingredients for a team to win in these games . Derrick definitely plays hard on defense and he moves the ball around well to guys who are wide open.
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Opening game so no worries. Tons of talent and several years playing together. Championship threat once again. Enjoy the ride.
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Do we play tomorrow?
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Yes
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Do we play tomorrow?
4 p.m. ET.
Fun game tonight. Literally, everybody who played contributed. Nice performances from a couple guys who took plenty of flak during their time at MU -- Derrick and Luke. With Jamil, Buycks, Acker, Cook, etc ... just too much talent for that opponent.
Tomorrow's opponent also won easily. Looking forward to the game.
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4 p.m. ET.
Fun game tonight. Literally, everybody who played contributed. Nice performances from a couple guys who took plenty of flak during their time at MU -- Derrick and Luke. With Jamil, Buycks, Acker, Cook, etc ... just too much talent for that opponent.
Tomorrow's opponent also won easily. Looking forward to the game.
Damn....was hoping to catch the action.
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4 p.m. ET.
Fun game tonight. Literally, everybody who played contributed. Nice performances from a couple guys who took plenty of flak during their time at MU -- Derrick and Luke. With Jamil, Buycks, Acker, Cook, etc ... just too much talent for that opponent.
Tomorrow's opponent also won easily. Looking forward to the game.
Great summary, 82. I’ll add that the beginning was a bit tense, as MU started slowly and was not hitting shots. Once they got in a groove and gauged what would work, they almost cruised.
Tomorrow may be different and will, either way, be fun.
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Damn....was hoping to catch the action.
ESPN app on Roku has all TBT games on replay.
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I have really enjoyed watching Dwight Buycks play in this event over the years. He is a very entertaining player who plays hard every possession.
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Vander struggled to get going early. Lots of driving into the lane with his head own. Later in the game he showed tremendous ability jumping into passing lanes and getting easy scores. Seemed to get him going. I think his play will pick up as the tournament continues.
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Like what I saw from Lojeski too. Think he will be more of an asset than Charlo when he settles in. Kind of wish Rowsey/Anim got in later on, but I guess I see why they don't need every guy. Cook is the star of the team this year.
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Like what I saw from Lojeski too. Think he will be more of an asset than Charlo when he settles in. Kind of wish Rowsey/Anim got in later on, but I guess I see why they don't need every guy. Cook is the star of the team this year.
Lojeski brings the same sort of thing Diener does. Spent the last 8 years playing elite level ball in Europe. So he's savvy and experienced even if he's not super athletic or a superstar.
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I have really enjoyed watching Dwight Buycks play in this event over the years. He is a very entertaining player who plays hard every possession.
Talented, too. On one possession yesterday, he threw a tremendous bounce pass to Jamil through traffic. And don't forget it was his aggressive drive and perfect dish that set up Diener's winner last year.
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Surprised there isn't more chatter about the Golden Eagles tbt team. They've been more entertaining to watch than the actual college team for years.
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Surprised there isn't more chatter about the Golden Eagles tbt team. They've been more entertaining to watch than the actual college team for years.
The past 3 years I've made more of an attempt to watch tbt games over away games for Marquette
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Surprised there isn't more chatter about the Golden Eagles tbt team. They've been more entertaining to watch than the actual college team for years.
It's great hoops and even better in person. Everyone should attend if the opportunity ever presents itself. Chick and I have attended some portion of 3 separate seasons; great experiences all.
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I’m a bit surprised Diener played as much as he did. If I remember last year, he was more of a role player. He still looked great running the offense.
Might be a function of DJO being hurt and losing a ball handler.
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I’m a bit surprised Diener played as much as he did. If I remember last year, he was more of a role player. He still looked great running the offense.
Ditto.
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is derrick better than vander at this point?
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Derrick knows his role better right now, mostly from experience with the team. Not sure I'd say he's a better player than Vander though, although he's certainly closed the gap since college.
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with the small lineup Derrick is playing center on defense
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When do they play next?
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Derrick knows his role better right now, mostly from experience with the team. Not sure I'd say he's a better player than Vander though, although he's certainly closed the gap since college.
I had to do a double take on his corner 3. It looked so pure.
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What's it on? Not on ESPN app that I see
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Not playing well at all this first half.
Sloppy and a lot of missed jumpers.
Tie game though so plenty of time to get it going
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When do they play next?
the next round would be Wednesday at 6 central on espn2
I believe the next round of final 8 is on 8/1
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Is this game streamed anywhere?
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Is this game streamed anywhere?
https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/e9d7ec64-105b-4417-bf20-422bdd265d39
idk if its free or not 4 u
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oof that was a brutal end to the half
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the 5 point lead turned to a one point deficit after three layups.
Gave up 9 offensive rebounds
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Is that Diamond Stone on the Jimmy V team?
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Wonder why no PT for Rowsey? Especially today with the horrible shooting display.
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a Sacar sighting for the final minute of the third.
...and an air ball to start the 4th
followed by a driving layup for a 6 point lead with 6:15. Elam ending starts below 4 minutes
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Wins a win. Gonna need to play much better going forward but we got it done down the stretch.
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Jamil heading to the merch table to buy a new jersey.
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Marquette wins 71 - 64.
Sacar sparks the team in the 4Q.
Derrick Wilson with a big 3 in the Elam Ending.
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Jamil heading to the merch table to buy a new jersey.
Travis playing with that ripped t-shirt to boot.
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Big 3 by Derrick Wilson, followed by 3 for Jamil Wilson and MU escapes!
Marquette did not play well. The 4Q was a mess with everyone launching 3s. No one could hit - and that was true on both sides. For some reason, no one from Marquette ever took it to the hole so it was just a matter of hoping the shots would eventually go down. To me, Derrick Wilson had the big shot.
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Get these next rounds off of ESPN3 and onto something I can watch dangit!
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Wednesday at 6 central on espn2
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Good win against a capable team .
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Can’t knock Chapman's success but I sure don’t understand why Fisher only played two minutes after the game he had Sunday. Marquette was killed on the boards 40 to 30.
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Derrick Effen Wilson!
He has made as many 3s in the last two games as he did in his first 3 seasons at Marquette. Stepped confidently into 'em. Good for him ... and good for the Golden Eagles!
Jamil has been clutch in the TBT over the years. Reminds me of Davidson!
Fun game, even if our shooters were cold. Hoping that Cook doesn't have an injury that will linger.
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I wish Elgin Cook had played for Marquette. Love his game.
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Derrick Effen Wilson!
He has made as many 3s in the last two games as he did in his first 3 seasons at Marquette. Stepped confidently into 'em. Good for him ... and good for the Golden Eagles!
Derrick has had quite the impressive Euro career. Last year he was over 40% from 3. The year before he averaged 20 points per game.
https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/56294/derrick-wilson
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Can’t knock Chapman's success but I sure don’t understand why Fisher only played two minutes after the game he had Sunday. Marquette was killed on the boards 40 to 30.
Did you see fischers 2 minutes? Very reminiscent of his time at mu.
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Derrick has had quite the impressive Euro career. Last year he was over 40% from 3. The year before he averaged 20 points per game.
https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/56294/derrick-wilson
Nice. Good guy who played his arse off at Marquette. Some guys are late bloomers ... some are VERY late bloomers!
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Get these next rounds off of ESPN3 and onto something I can watch dangit!
I got the Disney+, Hulu, & ESPN+ bundle so that's how I watched.
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I see we only took five free throws?? WTH? Any reason we weren't in attack mode? I suppose a win is a win but do we need to step it up?
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I see we only took five free throws?? WTH? Any reason we weren't in attack mode? I suppose a win is a win but do we need to step it up?
The other team had legit Players . Hard to just impose your will the further the team goes in the tournament .
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I see we only took five free throws?? WTH? Any reason we weren't in attack mode? I suppose a win is a win but do we need to step it up?
Shoulda been 7, but refs didnt know we were in bonus at end of 2h
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DJO’s offense seems missing and unfortunately Vander hasn’t been able to entirely pick up that slack but good game for the team nonetheless. Really would have liked seem to have seen Cook play at Marquette, man is he fun to watch
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Did you see fischers 2 minutes? Very reminiscent of his time at mu.
::)
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Ya.. ...include me in the Elgin Cook fan club. Would have loved the guy in a MU uni. It sounds like we're missing DJO which is understandable. Hopefully we get things clicking on all cylinders from here on out.
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Shoulda been 7, but refs didnt know we were in bonus at end of 2h
Minor nit: Refs don't keep track of that kind of thing. It's up to the scorer's table to sound the horn and let the refs know it was a bonus situation. And both teams usually have a rep at the table, too, in part to make sure the official scorer doesn't mess up.
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Did you see fischers 2 minutes? Very reminiscent of his time at mu.
Fake news, as Luke averaged about 28 minutes per game in his 3 seasons at MU.
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DJO’s offense seems missing and unfortunately Vander hasn’t been able to entirely pick up that slack but good game for the team nonetheless. Really would have liked seem to have seen Cook play at Marquette, man is he fun to watch
Vander has been inactive at the competitive level since December 2019. He is still a little rusty, however is working hard to play the defensive roles Chapman needs him to play.
I think he may do well offensively the next game , as the scouting report may not focus on him.
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Highlights after article.
https://thetournament.com/news/golden-eagles-playing-for-jimmy-v/
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Big 3 by Derrick Wilson, followed by 3 for Jamil Wilson and MU escapes!
Marquette did not play well. The 4Q was a mess with everyone launching 3s. No one could hit - and that was true on both sides. For some reason, no one from Marquette ever took it to the hole so it was just a matter of hoping the shots would eventually go down. To me, Derrick Wilson had the big shot.
Thought MU was decent actually. Great hustle on D. Some shots weren't falling but I think Jimmy V was pretty good for being such a new team.
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Fake news, as Luke averaged about 28 minutes per game in his 3 seasons at MU.
Uhh, that's not what that means.
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I’m not sure how much of a role it plays, but to me it seems like Chapman being the coach is a nice advantage for the MU team. He seems to know his stuff and has the perfect demeanor for this type of event. Calm, but will challenge the guys. Some of the other coaches seem to just be friends of some guys on the team.
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I’m not sure how much of a role it plays, but to me it seems like Chapman being the coach is a nice advantage for the MU team. He seems to know his stuff and has the perfect demeanor for this type of event. Calm, but will challenge the guys. Some of the other coaches seem to just be friends of some guys on the team.
Enjoyed him catching himself before swearing.
https://twitter.com/joechap32/status/1419793475344769027?s=20
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Enjoyed him catching himself before swearing.
https://twitter.com/joechap32/status/1419793475344769027?s=20
Yeah, that was funny.
Does anybody here know Joe personally, or know a lot about him? Does he have any interest in getting into coaching?
I'm not sure how much these kinds of events tell us about actual X-and-O coaching ability -- maybe a lot, maybe a little, as I said I'm not sure -- but Joe definitely seems to have the right demeanor for it, and he seems to have the respect of the professional basketball players under his charge. That means a lot.
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Yeah, that was funny.
Does anybody here know Joe personally, or know a lot about him? Does he have any interest in getting into coaching?
I'm not sure how much these kinds of events tell us about actual X-and-O coaching ability -- maybe a lot, maybe a little, as I said I'm not sure -- but Joe definitely seems to have the right demeanor for it, and he seems to have the respect of the professional basketball players under his charge. That means a lot.
He runs his own respected basketball academy in WI and (I believe) coached an AAU program. I have no doubt that he has the X-and-O ability to coach at even the college level.
That being said, those academies/clinics can be a pretty big cash cow, so the financial motivation to coach a "team" may not be there. He's coaching and getting paid to do so, just without the added pressure of W-L results.
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Yeah, that was funny.
Does anybody here know Joe personally, or know a lot about him? Does he have any interest in getting into coaching?
I'm not sure how much these kinds of events tell us about actual X-and-O coaching ability -- maybe a lot, maybe a little, as I said I'm not sure -- but Joe definitely seems to have the right demeanor for it, and he seems to have the respect of the professional basketball players under his charge. That means a lot.
Joe is a great guy but he just with Travis and another person, built Athletic Performance Center. Coaching at least 75 teams in AAU so right now I do not see him
leaving that situation, maybe later on yes, but has a nice job right now. Never know the future.
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I love TBT in all of its bare-legged, high-heeled, low-necklined glory.
PS- flights to Dayton this weekend suck. Dang it.
PPS - Devendorf still bothers the hell out of me.
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Thanks Skip and Hoopster for your insight on Joe Chapman.
I'm glad he has found success doing something he loves.
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Joe is a great guy but he just with Travis and another person, built Athletic Performance Center. Coaching at least 75 teams in AAU so right now I do not see him
leaving that situation, maybe later on yes, but has a nice job right now. Never know the future.
Joe can run that coaching academy business until he retires. He can have fun and make a very comfortable living along. He is his own boss and the customers love the product he is delivering.
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Autism Army looks like a talented squad on paper . Has some size and good experienced players
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Autism Army looks like a talented squad on paper . Has some size and good experienced players
Neck circumferences?
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Autism Army looks like a talented squad on paper . Has some size and good experienced players
Don't worry, Marquette is very good at beating teams who are supporting good causes ;D
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Thanks Skip and Hoopster for your insight on Joe Chapman.
I'm glad he has found success doing something he loves.
I had some friends (w/ no affiliation to MU) who had their kids in his camp right as Covid shut everything down last year. Apparently he pivoted to a virtual offering without hesitation and kept everyone engaged and learning - they were super impressed. I have no doubt he can keep growing this business.
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https://www.chapmanbasketballacademy.com/
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I love TBT in all of its bare-legged, high-heeled, low-necklined glory.
PS- flights to Dayton this weekend suck. Dang it.
PPS - Devendorf still bothers the hell out of me.
It's just a nice little 11 hour drive!
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Bam!!! Buh-Bye Ohio St. team in Columbus. :)
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https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1420490231892135944
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I love TBT in all of its bare-legged, high-heeled, low-necklined glory.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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This team def misses DJO(not a shock).
3s still not falling.
Also, Luke if youre gonna play ya gotta grab D rebounds that go right by you.
Cook looks great again today. Need Jamil to get it going.
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Alright we got Vander in a groove now.
Let him ride with the starters for a bit
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thx balding white guy
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How goes it? 1st half overall grade?
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Bam!! Derrick!!
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Bam
Bam
Bam
Just got home, turned on the game, and our boys score a quick 8. Let's go now.
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The 3s are falling now
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I thought this was TBT? How many fouls have they called on us?
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The TO's we are forcing are nice but..
Gonna need to stop fouling and giving them easy baskets on the non TO possessions.
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Our defense needs to be better. Hard doubles if we have a small guarding in the post.
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Can we make some free throws?
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Can we make some free throws?
Brutal.
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Ball movement is incredible.
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Damn....Cook missed a shot.
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Take control early in the 4th. Vander time?
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Sweet Jesus. Total lack of focus. Two unconscionable turns. Focus.
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pissing away the lead
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Horrendous offense to start the 4th.
Feels like we are trying to just get to Elam and dont know what to do.
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Horrendous offense to start the 4th.
Feels like we are trying to just get to Elam and dont know what to do.
Exactly right. Nonchalant nonsense. Attack and take good shots.
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Get Cook back in the game.
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Diener looks sluggish to me.
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Alright score 8 before they get 18 and we are in the Elite 8 again.
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Wow.....Lojeski! Big shot.
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Diener looks sluggish to me.
its almost like hes a 40 yr old 5 11 whte dude eh
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Ughh...grab that rebound.
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The Diener Dagger
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KABOOM !! Diener does it again!! :)
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damn how many winners has he hit
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DADDY WON!!!
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Sounds like they lost. Tough break
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LOL this reads like any MU game day thread, even when we win.
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I'd like to see Rowsey get a few mins. I also agree that not having DJO is a concern. Hopefully he's back next year.
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I didn't see Fischer in the 2nd half. Was he totally ineffective the first few games?
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I didn't see Fischer in the 2nd half. Was he totally ineffective the first few games?
It was mentioned at beginning of game he had ice on ankle last game and at beginning of game. Probably injured beginning of last game.
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I didn't see Fischer in the 2nd half. Was he totally ineffective the first few games?
Bum ankle and mostly a liability out there. When hes on D his guy looks to go 1 on 1.
On offense he doesnt really compliment our ball movement offense that usually ends in a open 3 and good drive.
Second half we played the veteran studs and main role guys.
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Bum ankle and mostly a liability out there. When hes on D his guy looks to go 1 on 1.
On offense he doesnt really compliment our ball movement offense that usually ends in a open 3 and good drive.
Second half we played the veteran studs and main role guys.
I think Lojeski is a good addition.
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LOL this reads like any MU game day thread, even when we win.
No kidding. Checked the board to see if I could get a score and it reminded me why I never go to this board.
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We had a significant lapse early in the 4th Q . Fortunately we still got it done.
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No kidding. Checked the board to see if I could get a score and it reminded me why I never go to this board.
if todays game posts here are to much for ya how do u even read any thread lol?? there werent any questionable posts in the slighest
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if todays game posts here are to much for ya how do u even read any thread lol?? there werent any questionable posts in the slighest
They we're mostly negative even while ahead
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They we're mostly negative even while ahead
They were both positive and negative like every game thread. Turns can drive me up the wall I will admit.
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They we're mostly negative even while ahead
If you think what went down in this thread was "mostly negative" I am shocked you even dare leave your house every day.
Heck I am usually king pessimist and I think the worst thing I said was that we had a horrendous stretch to start the 4th(stone cold fact) that appeared to be a result of playing for Elam.
There was absolutely nothing over the top in this thread.
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Was never worried after that run to start the third. Think we were way too experienced to ever be in any real danger. We were also very consistently getting good looks so even if the D wasn't the best at times you always felt like the O would get us over the line.
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damn how many winners has he hit
not bad for a "40 yr old 5 11 whte dude"?
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Very pleased with tonight’s win . Competition is strong and we are facing up to it well .
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Tempted to drive to Dayton if they win Saturday…….
Also F Syracuse
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One thing I enjoy about the TBT team is how they move the ball around. They really have a great eye for where the open man is. They also understand where their teammates want to shoot from. The last play was a great example. The ball moved down the floor to Acker who saw Diener running down the sideline, Acker made a beautiful cross court pass right to where Diener could catch and shoot it on the run for the winner.
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DADDY WON!!!
I loved seeing the kids post the team on the board!
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Boeheim's Army rolled. I'm pulling for the boys on Saturday, but I'm worried that's just a hill too tall.
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If you think what went down in this thread was "mostly negative" I am shocked you even dare leave your house every day.
Heck I am usually king pessimist and I think the worst thing I said was that we had a horrendous stretch to start the 4th(stone cold fact) that appeared to be a result of playing for Elam.
There was absolutely nothing over the top in this thread.
::)
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I loved seeing the kids post the team on the board!
Still my favorite Tweet of all time:
https://twitter.com/DienerTravis/status/1024082747877408770?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1024082747877408770&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252FDienerTravis%252Fstatus%252F1024082747877408770%26widget%3DTweet
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damn how many winners has he hit
Will this hurt team chemistry as I believe Jamil is the record holder for most Elam Endings? Was there a slap of five between the two after the shot?
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It was a good win. The ‘Cuse squad looked good ... will be a tougher matchup.
And ...Muggs ... u do go WAAAAAY overboard some times. lol
“ unconscionable turnovers “ ???
What are those exactly?
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It was a good win. The ‘Cuse squad looked good ... will be a tougher matchup.
And ...Muggs ... u do go WAAAAAY overboard some times. lol
“ unconscionable turnovers “ ???
What are those exactly?
Cuse is gonna be really tough. Especially with them poaching some of the Overseas Elite guys.
But if the good guys keep moving the ball and getting mostly great looks, I like our chances to have a red hot shooting game.
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Next game is 2:00pm Eastern on Saturday on ESPN.
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It was a good win. The ‘Cuse squad looked good ... will be a tougher matchup.
And ...Muggs ... u do go WAAAAAY overboard some times. lol
“ unconscionable turnovers “ ???
What are those exactly?
Sometimes I can get carried away, I'll admit that. But to answer your question "unconscionable turnovers" are those that happen at critical junctures in the game that are either entirely unforced, or caused by ghosts. That's the Modern Oxford English Dictionary definition.
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Sometimes I can get carried away, I'll admit that. But to answer your question "unconscionable turnovers" are those that happen at critical junctures in the game that are either entirely unforced, or caused by ghosts. That's the Modern Oxford English Dictionary definition.
Lily from AT&T couldn't have come up with a better definition in her brief career explaining the game in AT&T's ads during the NCAA tourney.
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Will this hurt team chemistry as I believe Jamil is the record holder for most Elam Endings? Was there a slap of five between the two after the shot?
And…did you see Buycks’ body language both as Acker sailed a pass over his head and Diener hit the game winning shot? Major concerns about whether Chapman has lost the team.
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And…did you see Buycks’ body language both as Acker sailed a pass over his head and Diener hit the game winning shot?
No, didn't notice ... how did he react to Diener's ending shot?
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And…did you see Buycks’ body language both as Acker sailed a pass over his head and Diener hit the game winning shot? Major concerns about whether Chapman has lost the team.
I heard a letter signed by some players was handed to Chapman.
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I believe Jamil is the record holder for most Elam Endings? Was there a slap of five between the two after the shot?
Go to Team>TBT Schedule at www.muoverload.com to see all Elam Enders.
6 for Jamil
4 for Travis
2 for Buycks
2 for Cook
1 for Acker
1 for Williams
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No, didn't notice ... how did he react to Diener's ending shot?
It was a joke, though I did notice the Buycks’ nonchalance when Acker threw over him, instead of giving him the easy slam (which would’ve been only 2 points and wouldn’t have ended the game, obviously).
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It was a joke, though I did notice the Buycks’ nonchalance when Acker threw over him, instead of giving him the easy slam (which would’ve been only 2 points and wouldn’t have ended the game, obviously).
I'm glad I didn't see that mug. I'm not exactly a fan of "nonchalance" during the course of any MU hoops situation. Doesn't matter the score or opponent. I go from relatively calm to seething frustration. If we could simply relentlessly attack, minimize the dumpster fire turns, and shred the nets consistently from distance, people might actually find my words paciifistic and reasonable.
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I'm glad I didn't see that mug. I'm not exactly a fan of "nonchalance" during the course of any MU hoops situation. Doesn't matter the score or opponent. I go from relatively calm to seething frustration. If we could simply relentlessly attack, minimize the dumpster fire turns, and shred the nets consistently from distance, people might actually find my words paciifistic and reasonable.
So an almost perfect game, reasonable.
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Muggsy - have you considered switching your allegiance to the Harlem Globetrotters?
I'm glad I didn't see that mug. I'm not exactly a fan of "nonchalance" during the course of any MU hoops situation. Doesn't matter the score or opponent. I go from relatively calm to seething frustration. If we could simply relentlessly attack, minimize the dumpster fire turns, and shred the nets consistently from distance, people might actually find my words paciifistic and reasonable.
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I don't think I wrote anything remotely controversial, nor did I insinuate that I expected perfection. It's important to remember we should always be in attack mode and have the mindset of rejecting mediocrity.
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I don't think I wrote anything remotely controversial, nor did I insinuate that I expected perfection. It's important to remember we should always be in attack mode and have the mindset of rejecting mediocrity.
Unfortunately many Wojo-Dukiet slurpers on this board did not share your mindset of rejecting mediocrity.
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Unfortunately many Wojo-Dukiet slurpers on this board did not share your mindset of rejecting mediocrity.
Please, please find them for me. Or stop.
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Unfortunately many Wojo-Dukiet slurpers on this board did not share your mindset of rejecting mediocrity.
Yes, the TBT team has been the very definition of mediocrity. How anyone can watch them without pointing that out is beyond me. It CHAPS me how this board accepts such a team. Chap-wo-man needs to go
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I was basicallty writing in jest. The TBT team has been outstanding....I just prefer complete domination and don't like lapses. :)
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I was basicallty writing in jest. The TBT team has been outstanding....I just prefer complete domination and don't like lapses. :)
We know. Someone else doesn’t!
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Unfortunately many Wojo-Dukiet slurpers on this board did not share your mindset of rejecting mediocrity.
Mazos burgers are mediocre at best.
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Please, please find them for me. Or stop.
You stop. There were plenty of Wojo-Dukiet slurpers defending him all along. Read the board.
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You stop. There were plenty of Wojo-Dukiet slurpers defending him all along. Read the board.
Oh, so you can't find any right now? Got it.
Keep beating that dead horse though.
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Oh, so you can't find any right now? Got it.
Keep beating that dead horse though.
It’s a green horse
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I was basicallty writing in jest. The TBT team has been outstanding....I just prefer complete domination and don't like lapses. :)
Did you watch the Bucks?
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It’s a green horse
Big green horse weenies?
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Oh, so you can't find any right now? Got it.
Keep beating that dead horse though.
Not going to do your work for you. Find another suckered. Got it.
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of course willies up at 4
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Vander had been out of basketball since December 2019 , when he got laid off by the Santa Cruz Warriors g league . His mom died as well which was tough on him . So he had some rust coming into the TBT . He has been slowing getting back in form. Had a nice 5 minute run last game where he contributed 8 points . I think we will see even more today and a lot of hustle from Vander
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Let's go now! I cannot stand Syracuse past or present.
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Just hearing the Devendorf name triggers some stuff........
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Excellent offensive quarter. Need to do a bit better on the defensive glass. Also, things went a little out of whack when Luke entered the game. He struggles mightily defensively. TBT Warriors up by 6. Is that Elgin Cook or Elgin Baylor?
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We've gotta figure out how to secure the defensive glass. Killing us and will be hard to overcome. They have 10+ offensive rebs.
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Was that a travel on Buckys?? WTF? Cost us a triple. Smh.
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Offensive rebounds are the only reason this game isn’t a blowout. Not sure why they have Cook chasing around the ball handler while Buycks/Diener/Derrick are trying to bang in the post defensively.
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TBT Warriors up 39-32. We're doing damage from distance and moving thr rock well offensively. Terrific half in particular for Buckys. On the flipside we are getting punished a bit inside and especially on the glass. Solid half, just need to keep up the efficiency on offense. And rebound with a bit more tenacity.
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Offensive rebounds are the only reason this game isn’t a blowout. Not sure why they have Cook chasing around the ball handler while Buycks/Diener/Derrick are trying to bang in the post defensively.
Good point. We need to axe some of the auto-switching.
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We need Jamil to find some heat soon.
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Fischer needs to be in this game
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We need Jamil to find some heat soon.
Yes Herman. Missed three triples,, two wide open. It's gonna be tough if we can't rebound. at all. They must have at least 15+ extra possessions? Gotta find a way to clean the glass. NOW.
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Fischer needs to be in this game
He struggled defensively but we may have no choice. Lojeaki??
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Acker can’t play. Length on him defensively and they’re just attacking him offensively.
Huge shot by Diener.
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Huge three from Travis. Let's go now! Thatta boy Luke.
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BAM!! Diener once again!!
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Diener, so hot right now
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58-80 TBT Warriors up to start the 4th Q. Huge stretch for TD to give us this cushion when it was a 1pt lead. Luke was solid as well. But we still have to rebound. They must have something absurd like 20 2nd chance opportunities.
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wats in deiners water bottle?
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Great shot by Uncle Drew!
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Damn. Luke has to secure that reb.
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damn
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Ughhh. 6pt swing their way. Need to get Buycks back in the game. Jamil just off with his J, hopefully he finds it.
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Jamil's footwork on his jumper is so ugly.
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He headbutted Mo. WTH?
Ridiculous shot by Richardson.
Diener time to close?
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f off with that 3
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No Diener? Huge miss by Jamil. Fk.
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jamil missed like 6 straight
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They call a foul on that??? Smh. What a shame.
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Haha the free throw and the ball on a loose ball foul. The Elam ending sucks.
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jamil missed like 6 straight
Really unfortunate. We were in perfect position Johnny.
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Yea just went cold, dont have the size to compete with them
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Need a triple here.
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What was that?? Smh.
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19-4 run is pretty pathetic. didnt deserve the win
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Jamil picked a real bad time to play some awful basketball
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The difference was offensive rebounds, didn't like Chapmans rotations at all
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Pretty sure Tyrese Rice just had 5 straight layups or fouls drawn. Horrible defense.
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No one wanted to take a shot. Jamil shooting was brutal. Felt like Vander was getting to the basket with relative ease.
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Haha the free throw and the ball on a loose ball foul. The Elam ending sucks.
Nothing to do with elam. That's a rule they're experimenting for ncaa and nba.
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True, True. Rebounding and D.
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Pretty sure Tyrese Rice just had 5 straight layups or fouls drawn. Horrible defense.
yeah what the hell. just easily blew by for open lay ups
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Very frustrating loss. It just wasn't Jamil's day and we had no answer for Rice. I also thought Diener lost his mojo when he sat extended mins. Still they sort of bully balled us. Hopefully DJO is back and we add an additional big.
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yeah what the hell. just easily blew by for open lay ups
too afraid of giving up the 3 they just gave him 5 layups instead.
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Hot take that Matt was just a bad pickup. His shooting wasn't great, and his defense there... ouch
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yeah what the hell. just easily blew by for open lay ups
The lack of help d was dumbfounding down the stretch.
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All goods things eventually come to an end.
Unfortunate day for Jamil.
Need a couple of roster revisions for next year. Hopefully , DJO comes back healthy.
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Grab defensive rebounds, make some shots. Ah, well.
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Need to add size. And its gonna have to come from a non-MU alum.
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Grab defensive rebounds, make some shots. Ah, well.
Is there a versatile big we can add with Milwaukee connections? We definitely missed DJO. Just a money player with tremendous physical toughness and coast to coast jets.
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wats sam decker N nigel hayes up to?
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Is there a versatile big we can add with Milwaukee connections? We definitely missed DJO. Just a money player with tremendous physical toughness and coast to coast jets.
Brett Roseboro
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Need to add size. And its gonna have to come from a non-MU alum.
Let's think.....who's out there?
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Eventually Cain or Theo. Bailey? Someday Henry?
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It was fun while it lasted.
Back to the Olympics.
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Wow, that was disappointing. Lead all the way in time portion of the game. Stinks losing to the Syracuse squad.
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Wow, that was disappointing. Lead all the way in time portion of the game. Stinks losing to the Syracuse squad.
In the end it was a BC guy who beat them.
What happened to Cook in the 4th?
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of the 6 guys that played 12+ minutes today, only two of them were former Syracuse players (McCullough & Richardson).
the others; Deandre Kane, Iowa State; DJ Kennedy, St John's; Tyrese Rice, Boston College, Keifer Sykes UW-Green Bay
Boeheim's Mercenary Army.
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of the 6 guys that played 12+ minutes today, only two of them were former Syracuse players (McCullough & Richardson).
the others; Deandre Kane, Iowa State; DJ Kennedy, St John's; Tyrese Rice, Boston College, Keifer Sykes UW-Green Bay
Boeheim's Mercenary Army.
Boeheim has always been a prick. Just like No Dick.
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Chap-wo-man-Dukiet slurpers should apologize
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of the 6 guys that played 12+ minutes today, only two of them were former Syracuse players (McCullough & Richardson).
the others; Deandre Kane, Iowa State; DJ Kennedy, St John's; Tyrese Rice, Boston College, Keifer Sykes UW-Green Bay
Boeheim's Mercenary Army.
So what? No requirement that they graduate from Syracuse. Sour grapes.
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I felt the offensive rebs were eventually going to bite us in the ass. That said if Jamil hits a few shots we get the W. He's been an outstanding TBT player, unfortunately he had an off game. I do think Diener should have stayed on the floor when he had it rolling to start the 4Q and Rice absolutely killed us and we didn't get the ball out of his hands. It's a game we should have won which sucks.
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of the 6 guys that played 12+ minutes today, only two of them were former Syracuse players (McCullough & Richardson).
the others; Deandre Kane, Iowa State; DJ Kennedy, St John's; Tyrese Rice, Boston College, Keifer Sykes UW-Green Bay
Boeheim's Mercenary Army.
Dumb take. Charlo and cook have been very big for us.
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Dumb take. Charlo and cook have been very big for us.
Honestly, I wish Golden Eagles had gone after Overseas Elite guys too. Especially after the DJO injury.
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I would like to see JJJ on this team . I think he would fit in well.
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Honestly, I wish Golden Eagles had gone after Overseas Elite guys too. Especially after the DJO injury.
We need one more big and DJO to come back Herman. Ellenson could be an option? The rebounding today was absolutely brutal.
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It was great fun watching TBT so far this year and the finalists are deserving. While I was hoping to see MU in the finals tomorrow, I'm still headed to Dayton to see the game.
I predict a few years drought coming up as the players who are "good enough" get too old, and the alum from the Wojo years aren't good enough. I can't see Henry, Rowsey, Sacar, Fischer going far. Duane Wilson and Deonte could probably contribute in this format if they would re-join the "MU" group. it was nice to see Vander back. Too bad he wasn't really in shape.
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It was great fun watching TBT so far this year and the finalists are deserving. While I was hoping to see MU in the finals tomorrow, I'm still headed to Dayton to see the game.
I predict a few years drought coming up as the players who are "good enough" get too old, and the alum from the Wojo years aren't good enough. I can't see Henry, Rowsey, Sacar, Fischer going far. Duane Wilson and Deonte could probably contribute in this format if they would re-join the "MU" group. it was nice to see Vander back. Too bad he wasn't really in shape.
Henry would be solid. He wouldn't play, but he'd be solid. Agree though we're looking at a big drop off unless we start getting Wojos transfers/early departures
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It was a great final. Close game. Winner from UWGB alum Kiefer Sykes who was the player of the game.
Dayton closed the half of the arena behind the players, so the base lines and one side were available for spectators and it was about 40% full. Probably 3000 is my guess. Mostly Syracuse fans including the royal Boeheim family. I bought what showed as row 3 on ticketmaster and it turned out to be front row. Only $30/seat. Great value even if surrounded by orange!
Overall a great experience.
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Championship Hat From 2020 TBT We Are Marquette