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Title: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 07, 2021, 04:57:38 PM
Marquette alumni team confirmed for this years TBT tournament. 

https://twitter.com/GoldenEaglesTBT/status/1342165587443781634?utm_medium=email&_hsmi=120106267&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9QeGj0j0cRdnwce8mG1bMZjt76x-k3OQ-EwvMJzTobwj2Nyb8G73llqbMCpfXs8BjzI0DPtSKzvvK-stzdn2jouA62rYe0n7R45Ar1dHUFln-M4Yg&utm_content=120106267&utm_source=hs_email
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on April 07, 2021, 06:05:51 PM
Marquette alumni team confirmed for this years TBT tournament. 

https://twitter.com/GoldenEaglesTBT/status/1342165587443781634?utm_medium=email&_hsmi=120106267&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9QeGj0j0cRdnwce8mG1bMZjt76x-k3OQ-EwvMJzTobwj2Nyb8G73llqbMCpfXs8BjzI0DPtSKzvvK-stzdn2jouA62rYe0n7R45Ar1dHUFln-M4Yg&utm_content=120106267&utm_source=hs_email
Must watch TV
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 06:11:53 PM
Vander??

Markus??
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on April 07, 2021, 06:14:36 PM
Vander??

Markus??
Vander is a good team player, will work hard on D which is necessary in that league and knows the guys on the team . Would be a nice fit if there is a retirement.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 09:02:47 PM
I would like back to back titles with the potential of a 5-peat.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on April 07, 2021, 09:16:59 PM
Vander??

Markus??
If Markus is still under NBA contract, no
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 09:28:33 PM
What additions should we go after besides Vander?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Nukem2 on April 07, 2021, 09:33:15 PM
What additions should we go after besides Vander?
Theo.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 09:42:46 PM
Theo.

Should we snag some non-MU Milwaukee guys?  Cook has been excellent.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on April 07, 2021, 09:44:25 PM
Should we snag some non-MU Milwaukee guys?  Cook has been excellent.

I think Cook deserves an honorary doctorate from MU at this point.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on April 07, 2021, 09:49:09 PM
Should we snag some non-MU Milwaukee guys?  Cook has been excellent.

Diamond Stone?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on April 07, 2021, 09:50:53 PM
Diamond Stone?

Interesting..  what happened to him?  Jarvis Williams was really good last summer as well.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 07, 2021, 10:56:08 PM
Interesting..  what happened to him?  Jarvis Williams was really good last summer as well.

Best I can tell, he played in Canada last year for the Guelph Nitehawks.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jsglow on April 08, 2021, 12:06:34 AM
We've enjoyed it 3 separate years in person and of course last year on TV.  Absolutely great basketball.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on April 08, 2021, 06:55:40 AM
I've enjoyed watching this, but I haven't taken the time to get well-versed in everything TBT. Folks here are talking about us "going" for certain players. Do fans have a say about who is on the team? Is that part of the TBT's appeal?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: genious expert on April 08, 2021, 07:34:20 AM
I've enjoyed watching this, but I haven't taken the time to get well-versed in everything TBT. Folks here are talking about us "going" for certain players. Do fans have a say about who is on the team? Is that part of the TBT's appeal?

In the past Joe Chapman and Dan Fitzgerald have selected the team members, I believe.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on April 08, 2021, 07:59:16 AM
I've enjoyed watching this, but I haven't taken the time to get well-versed in everything TBT. Folks here are talking about us "going" for certain players. Do fans have a say about who is on the team? Is that part of the TBT's appeal?

Fans can recruit other “fans” to get points. If you have a high enough point total, you share in the final winnings.

I believe that at one point teams needed to get enough fan votes to qualify. I think with the MU’s team success and fanfare, they haven’t had to do that.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on April 08, 2021, 08:26:59 AM
Fans can recruit other “fans” to get points. If you have a high enough point total, you share in the final winnings.

I believe that at one point teams needed to get enough fan votes to qualify. I think with the MU’s team success and fanfare, they haven’t had to do that.
I know that you auto qualify I think if you're in semis.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on April 08, 2021, 08:48:13 AM
Thanks for the answers. So no, we have absolutely no say as to who is on the team ... which is probably a good thing.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BrewCity83 on April 08, 2021, 09:02:23 AM
What additions should we go after besides Vander?

DWade.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: YaBlueIt on April 08, 2021, 09:13:45 AM
DWade.

The only way Wade will appear at TBT is in the analyst booth
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MUMonster03 on April 08, 2021, 09:21:16 AM
Best I can tell, he played in Canada last year for the Guelph Nitehawks.

There is a name I haven't heard in a while, another prime example of why even hyped kids don't make it and to take advantage of the education. CEBL has a salary of $6000 per team per game.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on April 08, 2021, 09:27:26 AM
Wojo is probably looking for some run now that his noon games are cancelled.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Marquette Overload on April 08, 2021, 09:57:53 AM
The all-time Marquette TBT Roster can be found at muoverload.com (http://muoverload.com) under Players/Coaches > TBT Roster.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: NCMUFan on April 08, 2021, 10:44:23 AM
The MU alumni team winning the TBT was a great distraction during the Covid dominate year 2020.   :)
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on May 24, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
Tbt team renamed from Golden eagles to warriors.


https://mobile.twitter.com/GoldenEaglesTBT/status/1396878806116405251
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on May 24, 2021, 12:57:47 PM
Holy hell what are they thinking?!? The Ultimate Warrior was a racist homophobe. This is far, far worse than Gold.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/59y3nb/wwe-is-whitewashing-the-ultimate-warriors-bigoted-past
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jficke13 on May 24, 2021, 01:05:19 PM
literally the ONLY thing I know about TUW is that he was a Very Bad Man. The very first thing I thought of when I saw the announcement was "hmm, this probably wasn't a good idea."

Cool logo though. Stripped of the "Ultimate" part of the name and it was probably fine? (honestly have no idea how the imagery connects to the dude).
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: The Lens on May 24, 2021, 01:08:41 PM
Holy hell what are they thinking?!? The Ultimate Warrior was a racist homophobe. This is far, far worse than Gold.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/59y3nb/wwe-is-whitewashing-the-ultimate-warriors-bigoted-past

We're not the Ultimate Warrior...we're the Ultimate Warriors

That "S" is very important and distinctive. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: harryp on May 24, 2021, 01:09:15 PM
Good Grief! Have you got it right!!! After over 20 years, it's boring.  It happened before most of today's students and many alumni were born. Give it up!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on May 24, 2021, 01:09:22 PM
literally the ONLY thing I know about TUW is that he was a Very Bad Man. The very first thing I thought of when I saw the announcement was "hmm, this probably wasn't a good idea."

Cool logo though. Stripped of the "Ultimate" part of the name and it was probably fine? (honestly have no idea how the imagery connects to the dude).

The logo looks to match his face paint.

Even without the Ultimate Warrior part, a little surprised they’d go the Warriors route due to the team’s connection to the university.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on May 24, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
How long until Heise starts a thread asking if this was actually the MU administration getting the TBT team to do this, knowing there would be uproar and hoping it ruins the Warriors nickname so the fanbase can stop talking about bringing back Warriors?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 24, 2021, 01:13:05 PM
Holy hell what are they thinking?!? The Ultimate Warrior was a racist homophobe. This is far, far worse than Gold.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/59y3nb/wwe-is-whitewashing-the-ultimate-warriors-bigoted-past

yeah, not a good decision. It's bad enough to call themselves the "Ultimate Warriors" but to have the logo that makes it seem like they're honoring the guy, wow, who messed up on that one.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on May 24, 2021, 01:35:49 PM
Little rough that the logo looks quite a bit like the guts face paint eh?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jfp61 on May 24, 2021, 01:40:33 PM
Holy hell what are they thinking?!? The Ultimate Warrior was a racist homophobe. This is far, far worse than Gold.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/59y3nb/wwe-is-whitewashing-the-ultimate-warriors-bigoted-past

I mean if you're gonna go that way just make it the warriors and say its an omage to the teams of the 70's more than anything.

I think were dropping the ball on how weird it is to name your team after a WWE wrestler in the first place

Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 24, 2021, 01:42:38 PM
This is a poor idea. Some incorporation of Warriors would've been a clever way for MUBB alumni to endorse the Warriors name but why they went the route of the Ultimate Warrior, when everybody with Google knows how toxic he is, is beyond me.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: JWags85 on May 24, 2021, 02:11:14 PM
This is a poor idea. Some incorporation of Warriors would've been a clever way for MUBB alumni to endorse the Warriors name but why they went the route of the Ultimate Warrior, when everybody with Google knows how toxic he is, is beyond me.

Lebron wore an Ultimate Warrior shirt a few years ago during the CLE-GS Finals and people loved it and thought it was clever, so I wonder how much people are truly irked by him
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on May 24, 2021, 02:17:17 PM
All I care about is that our MU squad wins.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 24, 2021, 02:18:02 PM
WWE lawyers will have a fun afternoon.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jficke13 on May 24, 2021, 02:24:55 PM
Lebron wore an Ultimate Warrior shirt a few years ago during the CLE-GS Finals and people loved it and thought it was clever, so I wonder how much people are truly irked by him

True, if it weren't for TUW getting his turn under the twitter microscope a few years ago that stuck in the dustbin of my mind, I wouldn't know who he is at all. I wonder what the crossover of oldtimey wrasslin' fans and TBT fans is.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Skip Intro on May 24, 2021, 02:54:30 PM
This is a poor idea. Some incorporation of Warriors would've been a clever way for MUBB alumni to endorse the Warriors name but why they went the route of the Ultimate Warrior, when everybody with Google knows how toxic he is, is beyond me.

I honestly had no clue about the post-wrestling history of Ultimate Warrior, but I'm not a wrestling fan at all - perhaps it's common knowledge amongst wrestling fans.  Then again, maybe they didn't even think to Google the guy's background, and they were just kids when he said most of this stuff.

That being said, I don't think it'd take much to get them to reconsider the name - the Hurricane Katrina and Heath Ledger comments alone should be enough to eliminate any homage to the guy.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on May 24, 2021, 03:32:41 PM
Friend had an interesting take, though he even acknowledged it might be a stretch. 

Is it possible to separate the actor from the character? 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on May 24, 2021, 03:38:59 PM
Ugh.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on May 24, 2021, 04:07:25 PM
To me it seems very strange that the marquette tbt team would do much of anything for a wwe guy.


Is it possible the tbt guys wanted to play under warriors, but also needed something in front? They pick ultimate for some reason, then the designer guys went with it and did something very similar to the wwe guy?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 24, 2021, 04:09:17 PM
No me gusta
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on May 24, 2021, 04:13:34 PM
Friend had an interesting take, though he even acknowledged it might be a stretch. 

Is it possible to separate the actor from the character?

As I think more about this question...

I love the characters of the Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold, etc.  But I also know the guys that play them are bad guys (racist/homophobe, racist, wife beater).  In that sense I can separate the actor and the character.

On the flip side, I wouldn't want my team called the Cliff Huxtables even though I enjoy that character.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 24, 2021, 04:24:06 PM
To me it seems very strange that the marquette tbt team would do much of anything for a wwe guy.


Is it possible the tbt guys wanted to play under warriors, but also needed something in front? They pick ultimate for some reason, then the designer guys went with it and did something very similar to the wwe guy?

This is what I think is most likely to be what happened. I mean even the older guys on the squad couldn't have been old enough to remember him as a wrestler.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: tower912 on May 24, 2021, 04:45:19 PM
TUW wasn't even that good at wrestling.   Just really roided up.     But, yeah, I was a fan in the heyday.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Coleman on May 24, 2021, 05:09:21 PM
that's gonna be a no from me dog
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TAMU Eagle on May 24, 2021, 06:14:00 PM
Friend had an interesting take, though he even acknowledged it might be a stretch. 

Is it possible to separate the actor from the character?

Maybe... but given that he legally changed his name to warrior.... pretty hard to do in his case
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TAMU Eagle on May 24, 2021, 06:15:12 PM
Any chance that after beating a cancer charity team in the finals last season,  they partnered with Susan G Konen and this is connected to their ultimate warrior campaign?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on May 24, 2021, 07:31:06 PM
Maybe... but given that he legally changed his name to warrior.... pretty hard to do in his case

Great point.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 24, 2021, 08:07:21 PM
Honestly, wouldn't have made the connection if you guys weren't so high strung about it.

And if they liked his name and logo, good for them.

Just like uttering the words BLM doesn't make you marxist.  Using a dead wrestlers logo and name doesn't mean you support his personal views.  Lighten up. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on May 24, 2021, 08:33:10 PM
Honestly, wouldn't have made the connection if you guys weren't so high strung about it.

And if they liked his name and logo, good for them.

Just like uttering the words BLM doesn't make you marxist.  Using a dead wrestlers logo and name doesn't mean you support his personal views.  Lighten up.

The Redskins logo isn't taken anymore, maybe we should use that.  ::)

Not knowing who Jerry Falwell is doesn't make Liberty University less problematic. Not knowing who Harvey Weinstein is doesn't mean a film festival with his name on it would be in good taste. This is essentially celebrating a racist homophobe. In no way shape or form is that something we should celebrate.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 24, 2021, 08:46:34 PM
The Redskins logo isn't taken anymore, maybe we should use that.  ::)

Not knowing who Jerry Falwell is doesn't make Liberty University less problematic. Not knowing who Harvey Weinstein is doesn't mean a film festival with his name on it would be in good taste. This is essentially celebrating a racist homophobe. In no way shape or form is that something we should celebrate.

That's the kind of high strung I was talking about!  You damn marxist!

Trust me, they weren't going for "how do we celebrate a racist homophobe" in creating this.  That's just the label you're choosing to apply.

Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on May 24, 2021, 08:48:17 PM
That's the kind of high strung I was talking about!  You damn marxist!

Trust me, they weren't going for "how do we celebrate a racist homophobe" in creating this.  That's just the label you're choosing to apply.



If they didn’t combine the logo with the name I’d mostly agree with you. But the fact that not only is the name the same, but so is the logo means they clearly are paying homage to the person. And he’s not someone you need to do that for.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 24, 2021, 08:56:42 PM
If they didn’t combine the logo with the name I’d mostly agree with you. But the fact that not only is the name the same, but so is the logo means they clearly are paying homage to the person. And he’s not someone you need to do that for.

Agreed. They wanted to make the reference to him be adding the logo
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 24, 2021, 09:00:20 PM
But the fact that not only is the name the same, but so is the logo means they clearly are paying homage to the person. And he’s not someone you need to do that for.

The person?, or the character?.  Think about it.  You really think they dug into the person and said "hell yeah!"  Of course not. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: pacearrow02 on May 24, 2021, 09:01:39 PM
Honestly, wouldn't have made the connection if you guys weren't so high strung about it.

And if they liked his name and logo, good for them.

Just like uttering the words BLM doesn't make you marxist.  Using a dead wrestlers logo and name doesn't mean you support his personal views.  Lighten up.

👏👏 ya the reactions to the tweet were something.  Great looking logo!!  Everything will be ok Mr. Bykowski
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on May 24, 2021, 09:03:04 PM
The person?, or the character?.  Think about it.  You really think they dug into the person and said "hell yeah!"  Of course not.

Sure, but that doesn’t mean they should keep going with it after they find out.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on May 24, 2021, 09:26:07 PM
That's the kind of high strung I was talking about!  You damn marxist!

Trust me, they weren't going for "how do we celebrate a racist homophobe" in creating this.  That's just the label you're choosing to apply.

This is a good point too.

Brew I wouldn’t assume you support Willie Wampum just because you wear a Marquette Warriors T-shirt.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on May 24, 2021, 10:17:31 PM
The Redskins logo isn't taken anymore, maybe we should use that.  ::)

Not knowing who Jerry Falwell is doesn't make Liberty University less problematic. Not knowing who Harvey Weinstein is doesn't mean a film festival with his name on it would be in good taste. This is essentially celebrating a racist homophobe. In no way shape or form is that something we should celebrate.
Brew City-
Life will be better for you when you accept that everyone ,to one degree or another , exhibits some form of racism . When that happens ,Then you can look at things objectively rather than through a racial prism . 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 24, 2021, 10:22:19 PM
The person?, or the character?.  Think about it.  You really think they dug into the person and said "hell yeah!"  Of course not.

All true, of course. But establishing “woke” bona fides always takes precedence over truth or common sense.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on May 24, 2021, 10:40:38 PM
The person?, or the character?.  Think about it.  You really think they dug into the person and said "hell yeah!"  Of course not.

Does it really matter?  The character was played by a racist homophobe.  I don't think that's someone that a group of people representing Marquette would want to celebrate.  Those things are connected.

But sure, hand out Halloween candy dressed as Cliff Huxtable.  I'm sure it'll go great.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: pacearrow02 on May 24, 2021, 10:52:52 PM
Does it really matter?  The character was played by a racist homophobe.  I don't think that's someone that a group of people representing Marquette would want to celebrate.  Those things are connected.

But sure, hand out Halloween candy dressed as Cliff Huxtable.  I'm sure it'll go great.

Guarantee it would go just fine cause 99.9% of people aren’t looking to be offended by anything and everything.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on May 24, 2021, 11:06:05 PM
Guarantee it would go just fine cause 99.9% of people aren’t looking to be offended by anything and everything.

Evidently you’re incorrect.

Where 👏🏻 Are 👏🏻 The 👏🏻 Emojis 👏🏻 Though? 💯
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: rocky_warrior on May 24, 2021, 11:16:40 PM
Does it really matter?  The character was played by a racist homophobe.  I don't think that's someone that a group of people representing Marquette would want to celebrate.  Those things are connected.

You, Brew, and myself were all behind supporting Marquette wearing black "in honor of Jacob Blake".  And I stand behind that - that man did not deserve 7 shots facing away from a police officer.  But he's not some saintly dude, I can admit that.

The ultimate warrior, as a character, is really no different.

But hey, keep being angry, I don't really care.   
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: real chili 83 on May 25, 2021, 04:33:42 AM
Clearly, Joe Chapman and Dan Fitzgerald are racists.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 25, 2021, 05:21:20 AM
Golden Warriors?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 25, 2021, 05:32:36 AM
Does it really matter?  The character was played by a racist homophobe.  I don't think that's someone that a group of people representing Marquette would want to celebrate.  Those things are connected.

But sure, hand out Halloween candy dressed as Cliff Huxtable.  I'm sure it'll go great.

SNL had a very good skit in the season finale.  It was supposed to be a Gameshow Network replay of an older Hollywood Squares episode.  And they had "Bill Cosby", "Jared Fogle", people like that and when asked a question instead of showing the answer, they kept playing a warning sign that "We are omitting showing this segment due to the current revelations since originally filmed."
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on May 25, 2021, 05:38:27 AM
Does it really matter?  The character was played by a racist homophobe.  I don't think that's someone that a group of people representing Marquette would want to celebrate.  Those things are connected.

But sure, hand out Halloween candy dressed as Cliff Huxtable.  I'm sure it'll go great.

And as mentioned, Jim Hellwig changed his name so the person and character were one in the same. And using that logo only reinforces it.

This isn't hard or complicated. You don't go out of your way to celebrate racists or homophobes. That is just common sense. Anonymous Eagle nailed it:

https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2021/5/24/22451766/marquette-golden-eagles-mens-basketball-alumni-team-tournament-tbt-ultimate-warrior

The ironic part is the TBT team is using a racist to evoke memories of Marquette's own racist past. It's like "the racist caricature of our past isn't enough, let's remind everyone with a different form of racism and let's double down with homophobia!" Oh, and that the same people who needed fainting couches for Gold are fine with the racist version of the name change.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 25, 2021, 05:44:52 AM
The person?, or the character?.  Think about it.  You really think they dug into the person and said "hell yeah!"  Of course not. 

The character and the man who played it are inseparable.  The character "Ultimate Warrior" doesn't have its own Wiki page for instance - it's the guy who played him.


You, Brew, and myself were all behind supporting Marquette wearing black "in honor of Jacob Blake".  And I stand behind that - that man did not deserve 7 shots facing away from a police officer.  But he's not some saintly dude, I can admit that.

Wow.  That's a terrible analogy.  The point of honoring Jacob Blake is that no one deserves to be shot seven times in the back regardless of their background.  It's actually quite consistent with many aspects of the Bible and Christianity.

Not sure at all how this fits.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: pacearrow02 on May 25, 2021, 06:08:31 AM
Evidently you’re incorrect.

Where 👏🏻 Are 👏🏻 The 👏🏻 Emojis 👏🏻 Though? 💯

I love a good emoji.  🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: pacearrow02 on May 25, 2021, 06:10:15 AM
The character and the man who played it are inseparable.  The character "Ultimate Warrior" doesn't have its own Wiki page for instance - it's the guy who played him.


Wow.  That's a terrible analogy.  The point of honoring Jacob Blake is that no one deserves to be shot seven times in the back regardless of their background.  It's actually quite consistent with many aspects of the Bible and Christianity.

Not sure at all how this fits.

I can think of a lot of people who deserve 7 shots in the back.  Mr Blake not being one but I can’t get on board with saying no one.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on May 25, 2021, 08:14:34 AM
Any chance that after beating a cancer charity team in the finals last season,  they partnered with Susan G Konen and this is connected to their ultimate warrior campaign?

Seems plausible
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on May 25, 2021, 08:23:37 AM
Any chance that after beating a cancer charity team in the finals last season,  they partnered with Susan G Konen and this is connected to their ultimate warrior campaign?

That would be great and make some more sense. But it looks like that campaign was in 2017. Is it still going? Also, my thought would be they’d announce that at the same time. Especially once starting to get some heat on Twitter.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: tower912 on May 25, 2021, 08:30:37 AM
If they are partnering with a cancer charity, that precludes Markus from ever playing
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 25, 2021, 08:30:56 AM
Golden Warriors?

This would've been the best route. Also it's what I genuinely thought MU's mascot was when I was applying because my dad kept saying Warriors but I kept hearing the TV calling us the "Golden" 'somethings'
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 25, 2021, 08:44:43 AM
Golden Warriors?

Yes please.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on May 25, 2021, 08:50:19 AM
In the logo, just change ULTIMATE to MARQUETTE and tweak the face paint into more of a bird and everything is good.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 25, 2021, 08:52:51 AM
If anyone is really that offended by the new name, then they have two options: 1) not watch or support the team or 2) watch the team as a hypocrite but continue to demand the team changes its name through social media or letter writing campaigns.  Do I agree with what Ultimate Warrior said?  Absolutely not.  Does the team utilizing a log that incorporates his wrestling gimmick automatically speak to my personal views?  Again, no. 

Unfortunately, there will always be tremendously unhappy people that will not be content until everyone around them is as unhappy as they are.  Very unfortunate.

Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: panda on May 25, 2021, 08:55:17 AM
So does this mean Benjamin Martin in the Patriot, was an anti semite all along?!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 25, 2021, 08:57:41 AM
It would seem to me the team needs to put something out that either says

 "we wanted to pay homage to the Marquette Warriors name while avoiding the association with the native imagery. We were not aware of his past  statements and do not condone them"

Or

"We chose to focus on the character in spite of his statements"

Or

"We love him and are huge fans and condone his statements"

Basically leaving it be probably isn't the best decision right now.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 25, 2021, 08:59:26 AM
So does this mean Benjamin Martin in the Patriot, was an anti semite all along?!

He wasn't really Mel gibsons character, the character was made by writers and interpreted by Mel. On top of that Mel didn't change his name and try to make Benjamin Martin be who he was in reality.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on May 25, 2021, 09:03:21 AM
If you have outrage at the Ultimate Warriors name and logo shouldn't you have that same outrage towards the Marquette Warriors name and logo?

Seems like a double standard to say how awful the Ultimate Warriors are yet wear Marquette Warriors t-shirts.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: The Lens on May 25, 2021, 09:03:50 AM
Clearly, Joe Chapman and Dan Fitzgerald are racists.

Or they're dorky wrestling fans
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on May 25, 2021, 09:04:32 AM
Or they're dorky wrestling fans

Put me in this camp.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Skip Intro on May 25, 2021, 09:20:20 AM
Wonder why they'd even change the name at this point?  They just won a championship under the Golden Eagles name.  Every single MU alum on the team played for the Golden Eagles. 

My first guess: MU's legal dept. politely asked them to change the name to avoid trademark dilution (I work in IP - I'm sure MU loves the added publicity this team brings, but the TBT team to use what is essentially the university's official team name hurts their ability to enforce trademark rights in the future).

My second guess:  some alum who cannot and will not ever get over the Warriors name paid them a bit of dough (perhaps enough to cover travel costs?) to bring back the Warriors in some form or fashion.  This is what they landed on.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Skatastrophy on May 25, 2021, 09:48:35 AM
Who sends a lawyer letter first? Marquette University, or the WWE
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MUBurrow on May 25, 2021, 10:00:12 AM
Or they're dorky wrestling fans

As a fellow dorky wrestling fan I am bummed that the Ultimate Warrior turned out to be a total douchebag which keeps the name/logo change from being an amazing confluence of all of my favorite things, and that i will think of that when i see and root for this TBT team, which is otherwise the height of frivolous summer fun.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jficke13 on May 25, 2021, 10:02:05 AM
I'm not really outraged, I'm more just puzzled. It seems like it's a odd choice in today's day and age given everyone's (perceived/real?) hypersensitivity. It was easily foreseeable that the name and logo would provoke at least some semblance of this reaction... and the choice to go forward with it anyway suggests to me either:

1. They did not conduct due diligence in this branding endeavor, which is... well, a pretty cavalier choice, or

2. They did conduct due diligence and either didn't care what reaction it would provoke (again, a pretty cavalier choice) or did not imagine anyone would care (which seems hard to imagine considering that all anyone yammering about these days seems to be "cancel culture")

Whatever, a dead wrestler I never watched and would not know existed were it not for his moment in the spotlight a few years ago for being a racist is the inspiration for the name. Sure, fine. I can separate the jackwagon from the TBT team branding. To the extent that I care at all, I care that this branding courted backlash and causes them to have to deal with all this noise.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: The Lens on May 25, 2021, 10:20:53 AM
I'm not really outraged, I'm more just puzzled. It seems like it's a odd choice in today's day and age given everyone's (perceived/real?) hypersensitivity. It was easily foreseeable that the name and logo would provoke at least some semblance of this reaction... and the choice to go forward with it anyway suggests to me either:

1. They did not conduct due diligence in this branding endeavor, which is... well, a pretty cavalier choice, or

2. They did conduct due diligence and either didn't care what reaction it would provoke (again, a pretty cavalier choice) or did not imagine anyone would care (which seems hard to imagine considering that all anyone yammering about these days seems to be "cancel culture")

Whatever, a dead wrestler I never watched and would not know existed were it not for his moment in the spotlight a few years ago for being a racist is the inspiration for the name. Sure, fine. I can separate the jackwagon from the TBT team branding. To the extent that I care at all, I care that this branding courted backlash and causes them to have to deal with all this noise.

It should be noted that the guys running this team all have full time jobs.  They've given way more to MU, #mubb fans and TBT than the $83,000 they've received.  It's a part time, summer fun thing.  I'm pretty sure some of the players are just big wrestling fans and wanted to do something "cool" and it meshed with MU's hoops past.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on May 25, 2021, 11:06:20 AM
If you have outrage at the Ultimate Warriors name and logo shouldn't you have that same outrage towards the Marquette Warriors name and logo?

Seems like a double standard to say how awful the Ultimate Warriors are yet wear Marquette Warriors t-shirts.

Completely fair. I stopped wearing Warriors stuff myself years ago and turned down free Warriors gear earlier this month.

I'm glad Marquette moved away from Warriors and glad they had the foresight to stay away. Willie Wampum and the blatantly racist past associated with the nickname is a part of our history, but a part better left in the past. It'd be nice if the TBT team had the same prescience to stay away from racist iconography.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TSmith34 on May 25, 2021, 11:11:37 AM
It should be noted that the guys running this team all have full time jobs.  They've given way more to MU, #mubb fans and TBT than the $83,000 they've received.  It's a part time, summer fun thing.  I'm pretty sure some of the players are just big wrestling fans and wanted to do something "cool" and it meshed with MU's hoops past.
I suspect this is the case as well.

Will be interesting to see where they go from here. No matter whether you believe this is hugely inappropriate or you believe it is no big deal, it is sure to cause a lot of noise that detracts from their accomplishments and distracts from this year's team.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on May 25, 2021, 11:26:42 AM
Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on “cancel culture” when there’s backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on May 25, 2021, 11:39:56 AM
Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on “cancel culture” when there’s backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.

Great point.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jficke13 on May 25, 2021, 11:52:40 AM
I suspect this is the case as well.

Will be interesting to see where they go from here. No matter whether you believe this is hugely inappropriate or you believe it is no big deal, it is sure to cause a lot of noise that detracts from their accomplishments and distracts from this year's team.

but (and I get that I was one of the people to point out the connection) is it though?

Like, outside of the corner of Extremely Online fandom, is either the Ultimate Warrior's name, likeness, or personal history even known a bit? If it weren't for a little bruhaha I read while bored at work several years ago, I would have seen the name as a callback to the pre-Golden Eagles name and Mexican Luchador type masks and that's it. So, what I mean to say is: Is it entirely possible that outside of the animated few who are predisposed to hear from each other will anyone even realize there's an issue here?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on May 25, 2021, 11:58:14 AM
Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on “cancel culture” when there’s backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.

It's only cancel culture when someone or something they like is being cancelled.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TSmith34 on May 25, 2021, 12:17:12 PM
but (and I get that I was one of the people to point out the connection) is it though?

Like, outside of the corner of Extremely Online fandom, is either the Ultimate Warrior's name, likeness, or personal history even known a bit? If it weren't for a little bruhaha I read while bored at work several years ago, I would have seen the name as a callback to the pre-Golden Eagles name and Mexican Luchador type masks and that's it. So, what I mean to say is: Is it entirely possible that outside of the animated few who are predisposed to hear from each other will anyone even realize there's an issue here?
You might very well be right. I personally had no idea who Ultimate Warrior was, and if forced to guess would have said MMA or something similar; I certainly wasn't familiar enough to know about his past statements.

But now that it is out there, and many people have made the connection, I don't guess that the controversy will just fade away.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jficke13 on May 25, 2021, 12:21:24 PM
It's only cancel culture when someone or something they like is being cancelled.

This is where we meme it into it's only cancel culture when it come from the cancel culture region of France, otherwise it's just sparkling hypocrisy.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on May 25, 2021, 01:01:49 PM
You might very well be right. I personally had no idea who Ultimate Warrior was, and if forced to guess would have said MMA or something similar; I certainly wasn't familiar enough to know about his past statements.

I think for the most part, wrestling fans would be the only ones immediately aware, but there's a surprisingly large cross section of WWE/Big East fans (led by the former Big East Coast Bias podcast hosts) which is why it immediately stood out as a poor choice to me.

After Gold, it just amazes me anyone would make a shift like this without doing a Google search first.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 25, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
If anyone is really that offended by the new name, then they have two options: 1) not watch or support the team or 2) watch the team as a hypocrite but continue to demand the team changes its name through social media or letter writing campaigns.  Do I agree with what Ultimate Warrior said?  Absolutely not.  Does the team utilizing a log that incorporates his wrestling gimmick automatically speak to my personal views?  Again, no. 

Unfortunately, there will always be tremendously unhappy people that will not be content until everyone around them is as unhappy as they are.  Very unfortunate.


+ 1,000,000,000. Perfect summation. Thank you.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: The Lens on May 25, 2021, 01:31:10 PM
We're approaching 30 years as Golden Eagles.  One of our greatest traditions is we don't have traditions.  We change uniforms, mascots and nickname more than the Pittsburgh Steelers change coaches. 

Let's starting working on the next name and let's trial balloon it with TBT.

Page 2 in the Nickname Change Case Study PowerPoint: Ultimate Warriors probably a no-go.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 25, 2021, 01:46:46 PM

+ 1,000,000,000. Perfect summation. Thank you.

What?  Is anyone who complained about the name doing anything but complaining about the name?  You went on and on with your mindless “woke” comment but then your fine with what he said?

Man you’re really slipping...
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Skip Intro on May 25, 2021, 02:07:17 PM
If anyone is really that offended by the new name, then they have two options: 1) not watch or support the team or 2) watch the team as a hypocrite but continue to demand the team changes its name through social media or letter writing campaigns.  Do I agree with what Ultimate Warrior said?  Absolutely not.  Does the team utilizing a log that incorporates his wrestling gimmick automatically speak to my personal views?  Again, no. 

Unfortunately, there will always be tremendously unhappy people that will not be content until everyone around them is as unhappy as they are.  Very unfortunate.

I'm pretty sure none of us who don't like the name are demanding a name change "through social media or letter writing campaigns".  We're just pointing out the naming a basketball team after a guy who clearly outed himself as racist and homophobic in real life seems like an odd choice.  I honestly think the guys probably have no idea about his persona outside of wrestling, but if you were to show them his comments on Katrina victims, MLK, etc. today, they probably wouldn't make the same choice. 

And being mindful of other's feelings and/or who I hold in high esteem doesn't make me unhappy. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on May 25, 2021, 02:13:23 PM
I'm pretty sure none of us who don't like the name are demanding a name change "through social media or letter writing campaigns".  We're just pointing out the naming a basketball team after a guy who clearly outed himself as racist and homophobic in real life seems like an odd choice.  I honestly think the guys probably have no idea about his persona outside of wrestling, but if you were to show them his comments on Katrina victims, MLK, etc. today, they probably wouldn't make the same choice. 

And being mindful of other's feelings and/or who I hold in high esteem doesn't make me unhappy.

Right.  This idea that the only way you'd point out that the person you are celebrating was a racist homophobe is if you're a miserable people who is only happy by sucking all the joy out of everyone else's life is laughable.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on May 25, 2021, 04:53:16 PM
I'm pretty sure none of us who don't like the name are demanding a name change "through social media or letter writing campaigns".  We're just pointing out the naming a basketball team after a guy who clearly outed himself as racist and homophobic in real life seems like an odd choice.  I honestly think the guys probably have no idea about his persona outside of wrestling, but if you were to show them his comments on Katrina victims, MLK, etc. today, they probably wouldn't make the same choice. 

And being mindful of other's feelings and/or who I hold in high esteem doesn't make me unhappy.

There are posters in this thread that have used social media at the TBT account demanding that it be changed.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 25, 2021, 05:08:35 PM
There are posters in this thread that have used social media at the TBT account demanding that it be changed.

Not one person “demanded” that it be changed. Brew asked that they reconsider.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: dad's couch on May 25, 2021, 05:14:48 PM
The Ultimate Warrior was a character played by a guy. Just because he changed his named does not make him the character from the WWF. If Christian Bale changed his name to Bruce Wayne doesn't make him Batman. Same with the 10,000 characters played by actors and actresses over time.

So the guy who played the Ultimate Warrior was a scum bag. Doesn't change that his character was wildly popular and in no way reflects on the guys who are playing. Move along.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 25, 2021, 05:29:50 PM
The Ultimate Warrior was a character played by a guy. Just because he changed his named does not make him the character from the WWF. If Christian Bale changed his name to Bruce Wayne doesn't make him Batman. Same with the 10,000 characters played by actors and actresses over time.

So the guy who played the Ultimate Warrior was a scum bag. Doesn't change that his character was wildly popular and in no way reflects on the guys who are playing. Move along.

He also invented the character. Christian Bale didn't invent Bruce Wayne.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: dad's couch on May 25, 2021, 05:35:07 PM
Means nothing. What horrible statement did he make while in character (during an appearance at a WWF event)? Willie Wapum is racist. Then we would should erase every player who played during that era. And I'll stop watching Seinfeld because the rant Michael Richards had a few years ago. After all. Just because it's a made up character.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on May 25, 2021, 05:42:57 PM
Willie Wapum is racist.

That alone is reason enough to not try to throw back to that nickname.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 25, 2021, 05:43:51 PM
Means nothing. What horrible statement did he make while in character (during an appearance at a WWF event)? Willie Wapum is racist. Then we would should erase every player who played during that era. And I'll stop watching Seinfeld because the rant Michael Richards had a few years ago. After all. Just because it's a made up character.

More terrible analogies.

Lotsa people struggled with logic back in the day...
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: dad's couch on May 25, 2021, 05:57:59 PM
He's a made up character (thus the WWE lawsuit against him). But I guess you think Godfather was a real pimp outside the ring. Or Iron Sheik loved the Aytollah even though he fled Iran. And Ivan Kolofff, also known as the Russian Bear, grew up on a dairy farm in Canada.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TSmith34 on May 25, 2021, 06:04:12 PM
That alone is reason enough to not try to throw back to that nickname.
True, the Marquette Willies would be a terrible nickname
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 25, 2021, 06:55:27 PM
He's a made up character (thus the WWE lawsuit against him). But I guess you think Godfather was a real pimp outside the ring. Or Iron Sheik loved the Aytollah even though he fled Iran. And Ivan Kolofff, also known as the Russian Bear, grew up on a dairy farm in Canada.

Nope. Think again. They are indistinguishable regardless of what other characters you are mentioning.

Are you planning on going 3/3 in bad analogies? 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: dad's couch on May 25, 2021, 09:03:04 PM
And because these wrestling characters are indistinguishable is why Knoxville elected Kane as their mayor. For non wrestling fans Google Kane WWE and tell me what in the characters plot lines would make you want to vote for him as mayor.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 25, 2021, 09:30:05 PM


Lotsa people struggled with logic back in the day...

Many of you still are.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 25, 2021, 09:33:04 PM
What?  Is anyone who complained about the name doing anything but complaining about the name?  You went on and on with your mindless “woke” comment but then your fine with what he said?



I went “on and on” says the guy who constantly goes on and on and on and on? Try some self awareness, Sultan...it would look good on you.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 26, 2021, 07:53:14 AM
I went “on and on” says the guy who constantly goes on and on and on and on? Try some self awareness, Sultan...it would look good on you.


Deflection because you can't defend your point.  Or you more likely forgot it.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Jay Bee on May 26, 2021, 11:08:58 AM
Pathetic.

Go Warriors!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mumi27 on May 26, 2021, 02:39:34 PM
The national nightmare is over

https://twitter.com/GoldenEaglesTBT/status/1397636117709611009

“After further review, we have decided to go back to GOLDEN EAGLES. We were not aware of and do not stand for any negative views associated with the rebrand. WE. ARE. (Still) the GOLDEN EAGLES.”
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BrewCity83 on May 26, 2021, 02:43:52 PM
Cue Emily Latella:  "Never mind."    ;D
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: The Lens on May 26, 2021, 02:50:23 PM
To date:  The bloggers have killed Wojo & The Ultimate Warrior. 

Who will they turn on next?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on May 26, 2021, 03:21:09 PM
Looks like an oversight by the team and glad they corrected it. I had no idea of the past until reading this thread.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: lawdog77 on May 26, 2021, 03:22:12 PM
To date:  The bloggers have killed Wojo & The Ultimate Warrior. 

Who will they turn on next?
Maybe this Cancel Culture thing is good
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on May 26, 2021, 03:51:54 PM
To date:  The bloggers have killed Wojo & The Ultimate Warrior.

I prefer to think of it as they paved the way for the Shaka era and restored the nickname a Marquette basketball team had when they won the championship.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Viper on May 26, 2021, 10:00:53 PM
Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on “cancel culture” when there’s backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.
the patch, and Ultimate Warriors both suck
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on May 26, 2021, 10:22:46 PM
the patch, and Ultimate Warriors both suck
If you think the patch sucked, you have a problem.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: WarriorFan on May 27, 2021, 12:56:16 AM
Back to the subject... anyone seen a roster yet?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Jay Bee on May 27, 2021, 09:01:29 AM
Back to the subject... anyone seen a roster yet?

Mo Charlo
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Mu8891 on May 27, 2021, 09:39:21 AM
Thankfully they went back to
The TBT / Golden Eagles ...

The whole Ultimate Warrior (s) thing was MORONIC on many levels.  U finally win the Title and then change the name ??

Stupid

U would think Chapman and the others would have known better
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Skip Intro on May 27, 2021, 09:56:36 AM
Thankfully they went back to
The TBT / Golden Eagles ...

The whole Ultimate Warrior (s) thing was MORONIC on many levels.  U finally win the Title and then change the name ??

Stupid

U would think Chapman and the others would have known better

I actually believe their statement that they were unaware of his non-wrestling past.  I know they could have spent time Googling etc. before making a name change, but it's not like they have a marketing dept. - it's just some guys who have other things going on in their lives who probably had fond childhood memories of a wrestler.  That being said, they definitely made the right decision to chuck the name change. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: The Lens on May 27, 2021, 10:11:05 AM
I actually believe their statement that they were unaware of his non-wrestling past.  I know they could have spent time Googling etc. before making a name change, but it's not like they have a marketing dept. - it's just some guys who have other things going on in their lives who probably had fond childhood memories of a wrestler.  That being said, they definitely made the right decision to chuck the name change.

They 100% had no idea and yes a few of them were / are big WWE fans.  They were just trying to do something cool. 

To quote the great Rick Majerus, there are errors of commission and errors of omission.  Be careful in how you scold someone who is trying to do something good and errors.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 27, 2021, 10:23:12 AM
They 100% had no idea and yes a few of them were / are big WWE fans.  They were just trying to do something cool. 

To quote the great Rick Majerus, there are errors of commission and errors of omission.  Be careful in how you scold someone who is trying to do something good and errors.


Yep.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on May 27, 2021, 11:07:29 AM
They 100% had no idea and yes a few of them were / are big WWE fans.  They were just trying to do something cool. 

To quote the great Rick Majerus, there are errors of commission and errors of omission.  Be careful in how you scold someone who is trying to do something good and errors.

Choosing Ultimate Warrior seems to have been an honest mistake. I think they handled going back correctly after realizing why that part of their decision was poorly conceived.

However, it is worth noting that simply trying to affiliate with the Warriors nickname Marquette has spent 27 years trying to walk away from due to the racism inherent in that name most visible in the 1950s & 60s was also a misstep. There have been multi-million dollar attempts to go back to it by alumni, calls from the fans, and Marquette has not wavered in refusing to affiliate the University with that moniker.

That was also a mistake, and far closer to being one of commission.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Warrior Code on May 27, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Glad they made the change. Looking forward to our team challenging for a title again 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 27, 2021, 11:23:38 AM
TBT just posted about their top questions this year. One of the top ones was "are the golden eagles too old?"

I mean one year after a championship, two year after being Runner Up I feel like that's just a talking point they'll start bringing up every year till it's actually true.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on May 27, 2021, 12:10:51 PM
glad they changed it back. i was crying. the native community was deeply hurt. my god the sanctimonoiuos ppl on here are cringe. who the hell even cares.was there one person in the world that was offended by the mu tbt team changing the name.why the warrior name has to be racist is beyond me. whatevrr golden eagle or warrior. works for me
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on May 27, 2021, 01:55:13 PM
Hoping they can see fit to take Duane Wilson on this years team, to replace the injured DJO.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: panda on May 27, 2021, 04:21:17 PM
glad they changed it back. i was crying. the native community was deeply hurt. my god the sanctimonoiuos ppl on here are cringe. who the hell even cares.was there one person in the world that was offended by the mu tbt team changing the name.why the warrior name has to be racist is beyond me. whatevrr golden eagle or warrior. works for me

Nothing wrong with the nickname "Warrior"

Willie Wampum on the other hand....
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 27, 2021, 06:03:21 PM
Nothing wrong with the nickname "Warrior"

Willie Wampum on the other hand....

the big issue for MU was they did not believe the Native American imagery could ever be fully disassociated from the Warrior name. Kids showing up to games in headdresses years later confirmed their beliefs.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 27, 2021, 06:24:16 PM
the big issue for MU was they did not believe the Native American imagery could ever be fully disassociated from the Warrior name. Kids showing up to games in headdresses years later confirmed their beliefs.

Yep
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: NolongerWarriors on May 27, 2021, 06:43:22 PM
Yep

Nonsense.

I was on the Mascot Committee at MU where we commissioned an artist who drew all sorts of different "warriors" (Roman, tribal, etc) and DiUlio said they were all too "aggressive and violent" lol.  MU, as usual, was totally pathetic in their decision making.


 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on May 27, 2021, 06:59:20 PM
Nonsense.

I was on the Mascot Committee at MU where we commissioned an artist who drew all sorts of different "warriors" (Roman, tribal, etc) and DiUlio said they were all too "aggressive and violent" lol.  MU, as usual, was totally pathetic in their decision making.

When was that? Had MU walked away from native imagery in the 1960s, it could've worked. By the 1980s, it was far too late.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on May 27, 2021, 07:01:28 PM
When was that? Had MU walked away from native imagery in the 1960s, it could've worked. By the 1980s, it was far too late.
its over at this point  damn. lmk when students are wearing head dresses to games again
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 27, 2021, 08:05:41 PM
its over at this point  damn. lmk when students are wearing head dresses to games again


Last I saw was two or three years ago.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 27, 2021, 08:07:24 PM
Nonsense.

I was on the Mascot Committee at MU where we commissioned an artist who drew all sorts of different "warriors" (Roman, tribal, etc) and DiUlio said they were all too "aggressive and violent" lol.  MU, as usual, was totally pathetic in their decision making.


So the early 90s?  Too late.  MU should have moved away from it earlier.

And the decision was already made when the committee was put together so they just wasted your time.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 27, 2021, 09:15:08 PM
its over at this point  damn. lmk when students are wearing head dresses to games again

There was a controversy in 2007 when MU asked a student to not wear headdresses and our old friend Dr. McAdams, went to bat for the kid and more kids stepped up to wear them to the ESPN prime time televised game against Pitt.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/blog/rogues/headdress2.html

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2007/03/indian-headdresses-at-tomorrows.html

The founder of the group, John Johannes, explains:
In response to the banning of Dan O’Connell’s headdress, lets all wear Indian Headdresses to the PITT Game. They can’t kick us all out, and if they try they will make the university look like an ass! Hell I don’t even know Dan but im on his side! So get all your friends and wear a headdress! Get some construction paper contruction paper and some safety scissors and make your own!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Viper on May 27, 2021, 09:22:13 PM
the big issue for MU was they did not believe the Native American imagery could ever be fully disassociated from the Warrior name. Kids showing up to games in headdresses years later confirmed their beliefs.
that was done out of spite. My housemate jr and sr year was the First Warrior. MarquetteMike knows who I’m referring to. The First Warrior wrote a number of correspondence to MU’s admin to keep Warriors. He knew of no Native Americans from the Menomonie...his band...that objected to Warriors and is proud of the Native American depicted in the university seal.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Viper on May 27, 2021, 09:22:46 PM
If you think the patch sucked, you have a problem.
have a nice day
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 28, 2021, 12:11:15 AM
There was a controversy in 2007 when MU asked a student to not wear headdresses and our old friend Dr. McAdams, went to bat for the kid and more kids stepped up to wear them to the ESPN prime time televised game against Pitt.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/blog/rogues/headdress2.html

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2007/03/indian-headdresses-at-tomorrows.html

The founder of the group, John Johannes, explains:
In response to the banning of Dan O’Connell’s headdress, lets all wear Indian Headdresses to the PITT Game. They can’t kick us all out, and if they try they will make the university look like an ass! Hell I don’t even know Dan but im on his side! So get all your friends and wear a headdress! Get some construction paper contruction paper and some safety scissors and make your own!


The thing I got from the first link was how quickly a moderator here was willing to dox a professor to let some kid be a spoiled dbag. I mean I arrived at MU 2yrs later and while I would've said it's a bit much to threaten to kick the student out, I think a big head dress campaign was the stereotypical white guy reaction to not being able to objectify people.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=74a686ecfd42941af2bbb310a1d2c3ff&topic=2155.msg15974#msg15974
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on May 28, 2021, 06:53:03 AM
The thing I got from the first link was how quickly a moderator here was willing to dox a professor to let some kid be a spoiled dbag. I mean I arrived at MU 2yrs later and while I would've said it's a bit much to threaten to kick the student out, I think a big head dress campaign was the stereotypical white guy reaction to not being able to objectify people.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=74a686ecfd42941af2bbb310a1d2c3ff&topic=2155.msg15974#msg15974

Wow that entire thing was a blast from the past. References to the boxers (bring that back) woooof.


Also, that isn't doxing. Doxing would be taking a posters private information (Such as address, phone, name, etc) and making that knowledge known to the public.

The moderator posted publicly available information about a professor who wouldn't have reasonable assumption of privacy over such information. Now it would have been doxing had the moderator said such and such poster is the professor, here is his info, go at him.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 28, 2021, 08:56:44 AM
Wow that entire thing was a blast from the past. References to the boxers (bring that back) woooof.


Also, that isn't doxing. Doxing would be taking a posters private information (Such as address, phone, name, etc) and making that knowledge known to the public.

The moderator posted publicly available information about a professor who wouldn't have reasonable assumption of privacy over such information. Now it would have been doxing had the moderator said such and such poster is the professor, here is his info, go at him.

Thanks for the correction, I guess the word would've been "cancel" McMahon.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: NCMUFan on May 28, 2021, 10:07:13 AM
Nonsense.

I was on the Mascot Committee at MU where we commissioned an artist who drew all sorts of different "warriors" (Roman, tribal, etc) and DiUlio said they were all too "aggressive and violent" lol.  MU, as usual, was totally pathetic in their decision making.
That is pretty funny.  The Webster definition of "Warrior."
Definition of warrior
: a person engaged or experienced in warfare
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 28, 2021, 10:45:50 AM
Guys its been thirty years.  The University isn't changing back.  More than time to simply move on.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Viper on May 29, 2021, 07:28:23 AM

So the early 90s?  Too late.  MU should have moved away from it earlier.

And the decision was already made when the committee was put together so they just wasted your time.
spoken like a Dane County Badger
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on June 10, 2021, 12:51:38 AM
New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: rocky_warrior on June 10, 2021, 01:52:15 AM
New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link

I hear Egyptians are outraged
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 10, 2021, 05:19:27 AM
New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link

Vegas Eagles
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Hards_Alumni on June 10, 2021, 06:38:54 AM
New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link

That's half warrior, half golden eagle for those who haven't noticed.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on June 10, 2021, 07:28:30 AM
Now that's a logo that Shaka should take a good look at and encourage Marquette's marketing people to embrace.

It would be by far the best symbol/logo of MU's Golden Eagles era.

Just looked at it again ... I effen love it!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on June 10, 2021, 08:38:29 AM
New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link

I'm pretty meh on this logo.  Not really a fan of the blue and gold shades they chose.  Might just be how those shades interact with the black.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 10, 2021, 08:42:13 AM
I'm pretty meh on this logo.  Not really a fan of the blue and gold shades they chose.  Might just be how those shades interact with the black.


Yeah, and I don't know what that flame thing is coming out of its eye.  And what is it with the white and blue "Golden?"

Way overproduced.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 10, 2021, 08:43:12 AM
Clearly a rip off the Golden Knights, but I love it. Definitely a subtle homage to a type of Warrior mascot.

If I were gonna rip off a warrior team though I'd have a picture of the 6th street bridge and call us the Golden Warriors.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Warrior Code on June 10, 2021, 02:45:42 PM
New Golden Eagles TBT logo. Pretty bad ass.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP69uVsnpoS/?utm_medium=copy_link

It's fine for what it is, and better than a reference to the Ultimate Warrior, but in no way should the university adopt this logo.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: tower912 on June 10, 2021, 02:59:09 PM
It reminds me of the DePaul logo

https://depaulbluedemons.com/
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: warriorchick on June 10, 2021, 04:46:15 PM
At least it's better than the old logo - which was of a Bald Eagle, not a Golden Eagle - and looked like Microsoft clip art.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on June 10, 2021, 06:06:52 PM
So who will replace DJO ( out with injury) on this years TBT? The guy had the heart of lion so they need to take that into consideration.
 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on June 10, 2021, 06:10:39 PM
I’ve heard Markus isn’t good enough to play in the NBA. Maybe he’d play? Then again, do you want a cancer on your team when you just beat a team named Sideline Cancer in the finals?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: WarriorFan on June 10, 2021, 07:44:23 PM
DJO out, Vander in.  Jamil Wilson not yet shown on roster.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on June 10, 2021, 07:47:13 PM
I’ve heard Markus isn’t good enough to play in the NBA. Maybe he’d play? Then again, do you want a cancer on your team when you just beat a team named Sideline Cancer in the finals?
omg can we drop the cancer markus thing? how many times has this been said. q
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 10, 2021, 08:07:30 PM
omg can we drop the cancer markus thing? how many times has this been said. q

I think it'll get repeated till PRN admits he was being dumb
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: tower912 on June 10, 2021, 08:23:40 PM
PRN wasn't alone.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 10, 2021, 09:13:48 PM
PRN wasn't alone.

Who else called Markus a cancer? Honestly asking.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: JWags85 on June 10, 2021, 10:15:34 PM
DJO out, Vander in.  Jamil Wilson not yet shown on roster.

Vander is a nice addition, he’s still only 28 and can ball.

But the sleeper for me is Matt Lojeski.  He’s 25, but he has played the last decade for the cream of the crop teams in Greece (Olympiacos, Panathiakos, and AEK Athens) and was the top scorer in the Euroleague a couple years back.  Dude is a real solid player.  Takes over that Diener role probably
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: DoctorV on June 10, 2021, 11:30:59 PM
Vander is a nice addition, he’s still only 28 and can ball.

But the sleeper for me is Matt Lojeski.  He’s 25, but he has played the last decade for the cream of the crop teams in Greece (Olympiacos, Panathiakos, and AEK Athens) and was the top scorer in the Euroleague a couple years back.  Dude is a real solid player.  Takes over that Diener role probably

Is Vander definitely on the team or just speculation?
How about Loj?

I’m not Instagram privy and didn’t find anything on a quick search.

I would love these additions because Van was one of my recent favorites at MU and I’m a big Olympiakos fan so I also love Lojeski
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mumi27 on June 10, 2021, 11:34:48 PM
https://thetournament.com/teams/golden-eagles-marquette-alumni/
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Hards_Alumni on June 11, 2021, 06:06:27 AM
https://thetournament.com/teams/golden-eagles-marquette-alumni/

Good lord, someone help them with their web design...

Also, they're gonna need some more height on that team. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: real chili 83 on June 11, 2021, 06:19:01 AM
Who else called Markus a cancer? Honestly asking.

Mrs Hauser.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on June 11, 2021, 09:10:54 AM
Vander is a nice addition, he’s still only 28 and can ball.

But the sleeper for me is Matt Lojeski.  He’s 25, but he has played the last decade for the cream of the crop teams in Greece (Olympiacos, Panathiakos, and AEK Athens) and was the top scorer in the Euroleague a couple years back.  Dude is a real solid player.  Takes over that Diener role probably
Love that Vander is on the team. He is all about winning.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on June 11, 2021, 10:28:32 AM
Mrs Hauser.
Was just going to say that
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: The Lens on June 11, 2021, 01:27:30 PM
Vander is a nice addition, he’s still only 28 and can ball.

But the sleeper for me is Matt Lojeski.  He’s 25, but he has played the last decade for the cream of the crop teams in Greece (Olympiacos, Panathiakos, and AEK Athens) and was the top scorer in the Euroleague a couple years back.  Dude is a real solid player.  Takes over that Diener role probably

You meant, he's 35. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on June 11, 2021, 01:57:13 PM
Good lord, someone help them with their web design...

Also, they're gonna need some more height on that team.

How much height is typically in this tournament. Other than the year Sullinger played, I thought most teams played pretty small lineups. I know Gardner was basically unplayable due to not being able to guard anyone.

Maybe one more big guy for when Fischer gets in foul trouble. If Jamil plays, he’d probably cover the big guy. Or Cook.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on June 11, 2021, 02:27:18 PM
How much height is typically in this tournament. Other than the year Sullinger played, I thought most teams played pretty small lineups. I know Gardner was basically unplayable due to not being able to guard anyone.

Maybe one more big guy for when Fischer gets in foul trouble. If Jamil plays, he’d probably cover the big guy. Or Cook.
I think Jamil is the prototype big guy for this tournament. Can guard all 5 positions.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Boozemon Barro on June 12, 2021, 10:41:41 AM
What about Davante Gardner? He's only 24 and is a big time winner.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on June 12, 2021, 10:52:57 AM
What about Davante Gardner? He's only 24 and is a big time winner.

Davante is closing in on 30
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Skatastrophy on June 12, 2021, 11:54:51 AM
Love that Vander is on the team. He is all about winning.

Just don't tell the opposing teams about the Vander Orange thing.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on June 12, 2021, 12:43:02 PM
Davante is closing in on 30

He ran like he was closing in on 30 when he was a Marquette freshman!

Loved the big guy, though (even if he wasn't "automatic").

I wonder if he'd shoot a half-dozen 3s a game if he were playing in today's college ball.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on June 12, 2021, 02:49:58 PM
What about Davante Gardner? He's only 24 and is a big time winner.
Was barely able to play last time he was on TBT. All around bad matchups for him.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jsglow on June 12, 2021, 04:21:46 PM
We don't play big typically.  Luke gets some minutes as a traditional 5. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on June 12, 2021, 05:22:38 PM
We don't play big typically.  Luke gets some minutes as a traditional 5.
Yo Glow. When you coming down, need to drink beers again. In this tournament most don't play real big more athletic fast with length.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: zcg2013 on June 14, 2021, 12:57:55 PM
https://twitter.com/joechap32/status/1404497336810848257

So Jamil is also back, but I wonder who Joe is referring to...
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on June 14, 2021, 01:03:24 PM
https://twitter.com/joechap32/status/1404497336810848257

So Jamil is also back, but I wonder who Joe is referring to...

Still trying on Diener?

I think Duane Wilson has wanted to play in the past.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on June 14, 2021, 01:13:05 PM
Really too bad DJO is out.  This roster would be the best MU has had in their TBT history.  Pretty stacked.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 14, 2021, 01:22:57 PM
Wade Novak and Deiner running it back
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on June 14, 2021, 01:45:04 PM
Really too bad DJO is out.  This roster would be the best MU has had in their TBT history.  Pretty stacked.

Yeah adding Vander to the defending champs woulda been really tough to top.

Swapping him in for DJO at least keeps us really strong.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Skip Intro on June 14, 2021, 01:45:07 PM
Still trying on Diener?

I think Duane Wilson has wanted to play in the past.

I thought Diener made it clear that last year was it for him?  Couldn't really go out on a higher note.

Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on June 14, 2021, 02:02:18 PM
I thought Diener made it clear that last year was it for him?  Couldn't really go out on a higher note.

Yea. I just remember last year Chapman told Diener he was playing while Diener was on the golf course.

I figure this year with no bubble, he may join the team, even if he’s largely there as a coach.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on June 14, 2021, 02:59:08 PM
does David Moss have ties with Acker?  From Thornwood.  A bit older, at 37.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on June 14, 2021, 04:41:00 PM
I never collected my money from last years win. I wonder if it is still there.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on June 14, 2021, 04:44:45 PM
I never collected my money from last years win. I wonder if it is still there.

No, there was a time limit. Expired a long time ago.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on June 15, 2021, 03:15:04 PM
So is the roster locked in??

I see no add ons and it sounds like the deadline was today.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Markusquette on June 15, 2021, 03:48:28 PM
So is the roster locked in??

I see no add ons and it sounds like the deadline was today.

Teams just need 7 players by today. Have up ot 72 hours before their first game to adjust the roster.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Jay Bee on June 15, 2021, 04:04:39 PM
Will we def have a game Saturday, or could there be a bye?

Tempted to DRIVE down to Peoria
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on June 15, 2021, 05:37:31 PM
Anyone get the TBT selection committee email? 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on June 15, 2021, 06:58:33 PM
Teams just need 7 players by today. Have up ot 72 hours before their first game to adjust the roster.

Ahh that makes way more sense. Figured teams shouldnt have to have full squads committed this early.

Also explains why the TBT was retweeting the fact that we weren't done adding on just the other day.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 21, 2021, 12:46:44 PM
(http://)

Golden Eagles Game 1
July 25 6:00pm Eastern on ESPN
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 22, 2021, 11:56:36 AM
Diener is back.

The question is, does he know?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on June 22, 2021, 12:42:35 PM
Diener is back.

The question is, does he know?
They probably forgot to tell him
Title: Re: TBT 2021: Travis Diener TV FEATURE
Post by: Ardmore Mug on July 05, 2021, 10:05:29 AM
This is a nice feature on Diener. I saw it on  TV, Ch 6 in Milwaukee...  8-)

https://www.fox6now.com/sports/travis-diener-returns-to-the-basketball-tournament
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Dawson Rental on July 11, 2021, 07:22:21 PM
Final game, last possession, Travis Diener.....perfect decoy, Jamal with the dunk!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: harryp on July 11, 2021, 11:27:52 PM
When I was at MU it was the Hilltopers, and I was anxious for something else. I was pleased with Warriors, but when the controversy with the Indian feelings emerged, I agreed and embraced the Eagles. It's all trivial, and sensitive to Native Americans. Warriors is forgotten and I am fine with that. Most students don't remember the former and have no burning desire to return to it. Let's grow up and move  into a new century with empathy for the beliefs of others, pride in  our past and hope for our future.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MUCam on July 11, 2021, 11:59:07 PM
When I was at MU it was the Hilltopers, and I was anxious for something else. I was pleased with Warriors, but when the controversy with the Indian feelings emerged, I agreed and embraced the Eagles. It's all trivial, and sensitive to Native Americans. Warriors is forgotten and I am fine with that. Most students don't remember the former and have no burning desire to return to it. Let's grow up and move  into a new century with empathy for the beliefs of others, pride in  our past and hope for our future.

Who is this hero in a mask and cape?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Markusquette on July 16, 2021, 05:02:23 PM
Pretty nice game winner for the blue crew
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Markusquette on July 16, 2021, 05:09:02 PM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but Sacar Anim is now listed on the Golden Eagles TBT team. Big addition!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on July 16, 2021, 06:03:20 PM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but Sacar Anim is now listed on the Golden Eagles TBT team. Big addition!


Hmmmmm,  not so sure.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 16, 2021, 07:23:18 PM

Hmmmmm,  not so sure.

Not so sure if Sacar is listed, or not so sure it's a "big addition."

Because he is listed.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on July 17, 2021, 07:37:39 AM
Not so sure if Sacar is listed, or not so sure it's a "big addition."

Because he is listed.

Big addition
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: willie warrior on July 17, 2021, 05:32:24 PM
When I was at MU it was the Hilltopers, and I was anxious for something else. I was pleased with Warriors, but when the controversy with the Indian feelings emerged, I agreed and embraced the Eagles. It's all trivial, and sensitive to Native Americans. Warriors is forgotten and I am fine with that. Most students don't remember the former and have no burning desire to return to it. Let's grow up and move  into a new century with empathy for the beliefs of others, pride in  our past and hope for our future.
What about empathy for those who believe it should still be warriors? After all in today's cancel culture that would be athrowback that many would believe in.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Viper on July 18, 2021, 07:46:30 AM
What about empathy for those who believe it should still be warriors? After all in today's cancel culture that would be athrowback that many would believe in.
I was a neighbor one room over at Schroeder freshman/sophomore years, then housemate jr/sr yrs with The First Warrior. He is Menominee. He petitioned MU to remain Warriors. MU had this narrative that numerous NA groups wanted the nickname change. To this day he’s bothered by the change, but going back not happening, especially in today’s political climate. Embrace the BLM organization. Warriors? bad.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: HutchwasClutch on July 18, 2021, 08:32:20 AM
I was a neighbor one room over at Schroeder freshman/sophomore years, then housemate jr/sr yrs with The First Warrior. He is Menominee. He petitioned MU to remain Warriors. MU had this narrative that numerous NA groups wanted the nickname change. To this day he’s bothered by the change, but going back not happening, especially in today’s political climate. Embrace the BLM organization. Warriors? bad.

Interesting and nailed it Viper.

Similar to the Cleveland Indians dropping everything Chief Wahoo over supposed offense to Native Americans. My neighbor who is NA is from Cleveland and a big Indians fan, and to this day has a Chief Wahoo flag up. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2021, 08:41:39 AM
What about empathy for those who believe it should still be warriors? After all in today's cancel culture that would be athrowback that many would believe in.

I had empathy. But it ran out years ago. It's been over 25 years,  long past time to move on.

I was a neighbor one room over at Schroeder freshman/sophomore years, then housemate jr/sr yrs with The First Warrior. He is Menominee. He petitioned MU to remain Warriors. MU had this narrative that numerous NA groups wanted the nickname change. To this day he’s bothered by the change, but going back not happening, especially in today’s political climate. Embrace the BLM organization. Warriors? bad.

Interesting and nailed it Viper.

Similar to the Cleveland Indians dropping everything Chief Wahoo over supposed offense to Native Americans. My neighbor who is NA is from Cleveland and a big Indians fan, and to this day has a Chief Wahoo flag up. 

Well if one person of native American descent is okay with it than it must be okay right?   ::)

And Viper, MU has not embraced the BLM organization. They've embraced the BLM movement. Two very different things
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: HutchwasClutch on July 18, 2021, 09:04:39 AM

Well if one person of native American descent is okay with it than it must be okay right?   ::)


And his opinion doesn’t count and there’s undeniably no one else who shares his view out there, right?  That’s what’s wrong about all this rush to political correctness, it’s all a pre determined outcome and pretending to speak for a majority. 

Such as Native Americans polled by the Washington Post in 2016 overwhelmingly   being fine with the Redskins nickname. Then 4 years later the name suddenly and absolutely had to be changed. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2021, 09:15:51 AM
And his opinion doesn’t count and there’s undeniably no one else who shares his view out there, right?  That’s what’s wrong about all this rush to political correctness, it’s all a pre determined outcome and pretending to speak for a majority. 

Such as Native Americans polled by the Washington Post in 2016 overwhelmingly   being fine with the Redskins nickname. Then 4 years later the name suddenly and absolutely had to be changed. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html

This is where people always get lost. It doesn't matter if a majority are insulted or not.  It only matters that a significant population of reasonable people are.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: HutchwasClutch on July 18, 2021, 09:24:10 AM
This is where people always get lost. It doesn't matter if a majority are insulted or not.  It only matters that a significant population of reasonable people are.

Thank goodness you’re here for us lost souls. 

A 2019 WP poll further reaffirmed the ‘16 results and dug deeper. 

I won’t derail this thread further.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html%3foutputType=amp
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 18, 2021, 09:27:58 AM
And I can be insulted by Redskins and Indians as a non-Native individual as well. 

Anyway, the name Warriors wasn't the problem.  It was Warriors plus the association with Native imagery that was.  As has been stated 100 times. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 18, 2021, 09:28:31 AM
Thank goodness you’re here for us lost souls. 

A 2019 WP poll further reaffirmed the ‘16 results and dug deeper. 

I won’t derail this thread further.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html%3foutputType=amp

I'm shocked you don't get it.  Completely shocked. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2021, 09:37:17 AM
Thank goodness you’re here for us lost souls. 

A 2019 WP poll further reaffirmed the ‘16 results and dug deeper. 

I won’t derail this thread further.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html%3foutputType=amp

Again whether or not a majority are insulted is irrelevant. All that matters is that a significant population of reasonable people are. There are literally 1000s of mascots that no reasonable person could find insulting to their race. Why would you go with the one that was insulting to the race of 1000s of people?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 18, 2021, 10:41:57 AM
And I can be insulted by Redskins and Indians as a non-Native individual as well. 

Anyway, the name Warriors wasn't the problem.  It was Warriors plus the association with Native imagery that was.  As has been stated 100 times.

The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.

Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.

And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.

That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.

Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 18, 2021, 10:53:34 AM
The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.

Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.

And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.

That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.

Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.

Yep yep yep.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Shooter McGavin on July 18, 2021, 11:50:08 AM
Agreed Dr. B.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 18, 2021, 12:03:36 PM
The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.

Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.

And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.

That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.

Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.

The best thing I have ever read on Scoop regarding this subject.

Thanks, Dr. B.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Lennys Tap on July 18, 2021, 12:11:27 PM
This is where people always get lost. It doesn't matter if a majority are insulted or not.  It only matters that a significant population of reasonable people are.

I’m one of those “reasonable people” (imo) who has always been offended by “redskins”. It was a derogatory slur when I was growing up and that is always how I will view it.

However, I have oft times been lectured here (fairly) that words over time either change their meanings or the effects they have on people. Some that were perfectly fine in my youth are off limits now. Does that also work in reverse? You say it doesn’t matter if a majority are offended. I agree. But 90% isn’t remotely close to 50/50. It’s a super, super majority and it’s rare that any poll is that overwhelmingly one sided. I disagree with the 90%, but doesn’t their opinion matter?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Lennys Tap on July 18, 2021, 12:14:48 PM
The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.

Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.

And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.

That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.

Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.

Nailed it, Doc.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2021, 12:34:24 PM
However, I have oft times been lectured here (fairly) that words over time either change their meanings or the effects they have on people. Some that were perfectly fine in my youth are off limits now. Does that also work in reverse?

Can you give me an example?  I honestly can't think of one so I'm inclined to say no.

You say it doesn’t matter if a majority are offended. I agree. But 90% isn’t remotely close to 50/50. It’s a super, super majority and it’s rare that any poll is that overwhelmingly one sided. I disagree with the 90%, but doesn’t their opinion matter?

Of course their opinion matters. But that doesn't mean that you ignore the minority. There are literally 1000s of nicknames that they will also find to not be offensive.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2021, 12:39:20 PM
The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.

Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.

And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.

That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.

Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.

Great post Dr. B. The name change was definitely executed in a way to try to hide from the mistakes of the past rather than take ownership for them and do better moving forward. It was the cowardly way to address it.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: avid1010 on July 18, 2021, 01:04:26 PM
MU changing their name from Warriors to Golden Eagles hasn't effected me in any way shape or form.  When Native American groups ask teams not to use their history as a mascot it seems like a really simple concession to make.  They deserve a lot more. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PointWarrior on July 18, 2021, 01:28:26 PM
Cool debate on the warrior name - we should discuss bringing back football too….
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 18, 2021, 02:18:25 PM
Cool debate on the warrior name - we should discuss bringing back football too….
I think it was a big mistake to get rid of Football.

That said, how about that addition of Sacar to Golden Eagles Alumni. Gives the team another strong defensive presence and outside shooting. Will need a guy like him given who some of the other teams have been recruiting.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Its DJOver on July 18, 2021, 02:46:22 PM
Cool debate on the warrior name - we should discuss bringing back football too….

It's an offseason tradition.  Means that the discussion on who is and isn't a Blue Blood is right around the corner.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: monkeyman34 on July 18, 2021, 03:10:23 PM
............ so any TBT news?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 18, 2021, 03:26:03 PM
............ so any TBT news?

They don't play till next week
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: willie warrior on July 18, 2021, 04:43:04 PM
Cool debate on the warrior name - we should discuss bringing back football too….
No Dick would be against it. MU beat them in their last football game. And everybody knows that No Dick controls college football.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: willie warrior on July 18, 2021, 04:47:48 PM
This is where people always get lost. It doesn't matter if a majority are insulted or not.  It only matters that a significant population of reasonable people are.
Define "significant population". Translation: a handful of snowflakes
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 18, 2021, 04:51:24 PM
Nm
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Viper on July 18, 2021, 07:18:20 PM
I had empathy. But it ran out years ago. It's been over 25 years,  long past time to move on.

Well if one person of native American descent is okay with it than it must be okay right?   ::)

And Viper, MU has not embraced the BLM organization. They've embraced the BLM movement. Two very different things
ok, so MU has not embraced the BLM ‘organization’, just the ‘movement’. Hmm. Well, I doubt too many folks get that. Since the BLM organization is garbage, MU should find a different approach, a different way to promote the black lives sentiment. The connotation is bad. In fact, wasn’t that one reason given as to MU not remaining Warriors, but with a different mascot? The connotation of negative NA imagery was too great? Oh well, it is what it is and probably always will be. But man, Golden Eagles is just sooo lame.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 18, 2021, 07:19:51 PM
............ so any TBT news?

Best Virginia almost totally blew the Elam Ending in their game.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Viper on July 18, 2021, 07:25:44 PM
And I can be insulted by Redskins and Indians as a non-Native individual as well. 

Anyway, the name Warriors wasn't the problem.  It was Warriors plus the association with Native imagery that was.  As has been stated 100 times.
...not debating, just asking...what about the University seal with Explorer Pere Marquette in a canoe with a Native American? The relationship between European explorer and NA’s was significant, and should be embraced, IMO. The Warriors moniker and ‘logo’ from ‘82 or thereabouts, and going forward, seemed pretty benign.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Viper on July 18, 2021, 07:32:35 PM
Re:TBT...when’s the WarriorEagles, or whatever we are, first game?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 18, 2021, 07:33:35 PM
...not debating, just asking...what about the University seal with Explorer Pere Marquette in a canoe with a Native American? The relationship between European explorer and NA’s was significant, and should be embraced, IMO. The Warriors moniker and ‘logo’ from ‘82 or thereabouts, and going forward, seemed pretty benign.


I have no problem with the seal.  But I also just don't really get all hung up on those things either.  If the University wants to change because people are taking offense to it, it really doesn't bother me one bit.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 18, 2021, 08:35:22 PM
I should also add that Marquette does a bunch of things more significant in its relationships with Natives than its seal and former nickname.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 18, 2021, 09:14:44 PM
Re:TBT...when’s the WarriorEagles, or whatever we are, first game?
July 24
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2021, 09:20:52 PM
ok, so MU has not embraced the BLM ‘organization’, just the ‘movement’. Hmm. Well, I doubt too many folks get that.

My experience has been that everyone gets that except for those who willfully don't get it.

Since the BLM organization is garbage, MU should find a different approach, a different way to promote the black lives sentiment. The connotation is bad. In fact, wasn’t that one reason given as to MU not remaining Warriors, but with a different mascot? The connotation of negative NA imagery was too great?

I don't think connotation means what you think it does. But I think I understand what you are trying to say. There will always be reasons/excuses to not support a social justice movement. There were plenty of people during the 1960s who said that they couldn't support MLK's movement because of Malcolm X, or because of King's views on Vietnam, or because of King's personal failings etc. The movement was still just. The Warriors nickname is not a social justice movement. It is a mascot. Trying to compare the two doesn't work.

Oh well, it is what it is and probably always will be. But man, Golden Eagles is just sooo lame.

I've been wrong before but I agree with you that I don't see it changing. At this point, I think there are more living Golden Eagles alumni than Warrior alumni and that disparity will only grow. I actually don't have a problem with Golden Eagle as a mascot. Not the most unique name and certainly not related to MU history in anyway besides gold being our color, but they are bada$$ creatures IRL.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TSmith34 on July 18, 2021, 09:36:14 PM
The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.

Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.

And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.

That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.

Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.
Blackheart ---> Nail ---> Head
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TSmith34 on July 18, 2021, 09:43:26 PM
Can you give me an example?  I honestly can't think of one so I'm inclined to say no.
The one that comes to mind is "gay". Definitely a derogatory slur when I was growing up, at least for the most part, but now simply a descriptor of sexual orientation, at least for the most part.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TAMU Eagle on July 18, 2021, 10:17:23 PM
The one that comes to mind is "gay". Definitely a derogatory slur when I was growing up, at least for the most part, but now simply a descriptor of sexual orientation, at least for the most part.

I'm not sure I can count that one. I could have the history wrong, but my understanding is that gay was used to refer to men who were attracted to other men before it became a slur. It became a slur because gays were considered lesser in society so using the correct term for a gay man as an insult worked. I don't know that the meaning of the word has changed, I think we now just recognize that using the proper term as an insult is not appropriate. Even so, gay is still used as an insult by some in society.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: 77ncaachamps on July 18, 2021, 11:52:05 PM
Did I miss a poll anywhere re: expectations of where this TBT team will finish?

The comp is WAY better this year.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Hards_Alumni on July 19, 2021, 12:07:27 AM
Thank goodness you’re here for us lost souls. 

A 2019 WP poll further reaffirmed the ‘16 results and dug deeper. 

I won’t derail this thread further.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html%3foutputType=amp

But that is literally all you ever do.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 19, 2021, 12:40:14 AM
...not debating, just asking...what about the University seal with Explorer Pere Marquette in a canoe with a Native American? The relationship between European explorer and NA’s was significant, and should be embraced, IMO. The Warriors moniker and ‘logo’ from ‘82 or thereabouts, and going forward, seemed pretty benign.

Uh, about that…
https://marquettewire.org/4041092/featured/garner-marquette-must-change-seal-meet-nasa-demands/
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 19, 2021, 01:22:20 PM
July 24

from the TBT website:

Sunday  7/25 @ 5:00  vs.  B1 Ballers  (compiled of overseas pros)
Monday 7/26 @ 3:00 would be the second round game
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Viper on July 19, 2021, 01:29:38 PM
Uh, about that…
https://marquettewire.org/4041092/featured/garner-marquette-must-change-seal-meet-nasa-demands/
thx for that, I think. re: Alexandra Garner, I’m just gonna move on. No comment. No rant. Just gonna move on.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 22, 2021, 08:57:36 AM
I had no idea Sacar joined the team.

He should be a really nice piece in this
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: real chili 83 on July 22, 2021, 08:40:35 PM
TBT team at the Al today, scrimmaging Shaka’s guys.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 22, 2021, 09:58:13 PM
TBT team at the Al today, scrimmaging Shaka’s guys.
Pics?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 24, 2021, 09:55:18 AM
TBT team at the Al today, scrimmaging Shaka’s guys.

Any idea how we looked?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: real chili 83 on July 24, 2021, 10:09:57 AM
I’ve asked. Haven’t heard back yet. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 24, 2021, 10:24:50 AM
I’ve asked. Haven’t heard back yet.

Ty.  That's a pretty cool opportunity for our guys.  I'm curious if our bigs could do some damage inside.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on July 24, 2021, 11:18:38 AM
Any word on the impact to the MU team’s NCAAT seed?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 24, 2021, 02:11:19 PM
Any word on the impact to the MU team’s NCAAT seed?

Closing in on a 3 ... until the letter-writing campaign began.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Slick on July 24, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
I can't find the time and date of our 1st game. The last info that I saw was tomorrow?? Thanks.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 24, 2021, 02:56:10 PM
I can't find the time and date of our 1st game. The last info that I saw was tomorrow?? Thanks.
Tomorrow 5 CT / 6 ET says espn 3
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 24, 2021, 05:30:58 PM
The defending champs are on ESPN 3???

Completely and utterly inexcusable.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Boone on July 24, 2021, 06:00:04 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 24, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Saw that House of Paign got upset today that is very helpful to our cause as they were the number 2 seed in our region
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on July 24, 2021, 07:01:31 PM
Saw that House of Paign got upset today that is very helpful to our cause as they were the number 2 seed in our region

I don't think there was any chance we were playing them anyway. Boeheim's Army is the team to beat in this region. If anything, their path got easier, which is bad for us.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 24, 2021, 07:40:01 PM
The defending champs are on ESPN 3???

Completely and utterly inexcusable.
reddit streams .?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 24, 2021, 08:20:14 PM
Didant Ma have significant doin's in da 'hole Bleautaux fiasco, hey?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 24, 2021, 10:31:47 PM
The defending champs are on ESPN 3???

Completely and utterly inexcusable.
LOL, teal?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 25, 2021, 06:54:46 AM
The defending champs are on ESPN 3???

Completely and utterly inexcusable.

Tied to the nickname change?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: augoman on July 25, 2021, 05:31:00 PM
soooo, we got bumped by spikeball?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 25, 2021, 06:01:12 PM
43-34 at half
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: whitykj on July 25, 2021, 06:03:39 PM
Holy crap Sacar!!!! Great to see him here.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on July 25, 2021, 06:06:49 PM
Holy crap Sacar!!!! Great to see him here.

Where’s Sacar?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 25, 2021, 06:12:33 PM
We are playing the way we ended the last TBT season.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: warriorchick on July 25, 2021, 06:21:34 PM
Where’s Sacar?

Still on the bench with his warmup on.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: warriorchick on July 25, 2021, 06:23:24 PM
B1 Ballers' head coach is very entertaining.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 25, 2021, 06:27:49 PM
Stream? I can't get on espn 3 for some reason
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: warriorchick on July 25, 2021, 06:30:44 PM
Stream? I can't get on espn 3 for some reason

I went to my ESPN Roku app and it was the first choice on the home page.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 25, 2021, 06:40:57 PM
interesting to see the two platoons:
Buycks, Acker, D. Wilson, J. Wilson and Cook
then Diener, Blue, Lojeski, Jarvis Williams and Fischer subbed in as a unit

Sacar and Rowsey on the bench
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Mutaman on July 25, 2021, 06:50:55 PM
How come Rowsey never got in a game last year and looks like he won't this year?

Luke Fisher was impressive.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on July 25, 2021, 07:02:32 PM
How come Rowsey never got in a game last year and looks like he won't this year?

Luke Fisher was impressive.

Not positive but I believe this is the first time Luke has been healthy. I thought last year he was either playing hurt or coming back from an injury.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mug644 on July 25, 2021, 07:12:35 PM
How come Rowsey never got in a game last year and looks like he won't this year?

Luke Fisher was impressive.

Because, a la Al, some players are there for practice, and can be called upon if truly needed. If Travis isn’t hitting or making passes, then maybe Rowsey comes in. He wasn’t needed today.

For Sacar, I imagine that if our inside game is not working, he will come in to cut and drive. Again, it wasn’t needed today. And Vander seems the first choice for that role. Understandably.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 25, 2021, 07:25:20 PM
I went to my ESPN Roku app and it was the first choice on the home page.

Didn't work on my Apple TV which is supposed to have ESPN 3 via Disney+
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 25, 2021, 07:35:28 PM
score?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 25, 2021, 07:46:03 PM
Score???  Yes. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mug644 on July 25, 2021, 07:46:11 PM
score?

94-66 MU wins
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Lennys Tap on July 25, 2021, 07:48:40 PM
My oldest daughter (MU 2000) drove to Peoria with her two daughters to watch the game. They had a blast!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 25, 2021, 07:50:23 PM
94-66 MU wins

Ty I just found it.  Looks like we got solid contributions across the board.  Who's Lojeski?  I know he sounds familiar.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on July 25, 2021, 07:57:03 PM
Ty I just found it.  Looks like we got solid contributions across the board.  Who's Lojeski?  I know he sounds familiar.

I did the same and looked him up.  Apparently St Catherine’s is the connections. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mug644 on July 25, 2021, 07:57:40 PM
Lojeski is from Racine, played D1 and has been playing in Europe. Watching today, I felt like he and Travis had a good connection. Maybe because they have both spent a lot of time playing in Europe. Maybe because they are both 35+?!

Fun to watch. Keep it going!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 25, 2021, 08:06:50 PM
Lojeski is from Racine, played D1 and has been playing in Europe. Watching today, I felt like he and Travis had a good connection. Maybe because they have both spent a lot of time playing in Europe. Maybe because they are both 35+?!

Fun to watch. Keep it going!

Ty.  Any idea how Vander looked today?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 25, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
9 point lead at halftime and the B1 guys got the ball to start the second half.
Chapman went fullcourt press to start the half and the MU guys scored the first 8 points before B1 got the ball over halfcourt.

Very balanced scoring.  I believe Cook led with 15 points.  7 players scored at least 7.
lob to Cook: https://twitter.com/i/status/1419420995753029635
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 25, 2021, 08:09:47 PM
Ty.  Any idea how Vander looked today?
I would say up and down. Had his moments but certainly not as good as I would have expected.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 25, 2021, 08:17:43 PM
I would say up and down. Had his moments but certainly not as good as I would have expected.

Hmmmm....okay.  It's gonna be tough to fill DJO's shoes.  He basically went full badass mode in numerous stretches last year.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mug644 on July 25, 2021, 08:22:34 PM
I agree with Dreams. Vander looked good in his ‘easy’ moments when he was free in the lane and had a great but simple steal. Yet he didn’t look confident like he could take over for some minutes (though no one really did, including Buycks and Jamil who should be expected to do so).

It was the first game, and I think/hope the team will settle in, and contributions will be consistent and valuable.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 25, 2021, 08:31:57 PM
Cook has been a tremendous  TBT player for us.  He was the perfect addition I must say.  We really have a likable group of guys.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on July 25, 2021, 08:35:29 PM
Because, a la Al, some players are there for practice, and can be called upon if truly needed. If Travis isn’t hitting or making passes, then maybe Rowsey comes in. He wasn’t needed today.

For Sacar, I imagine that if our inside game is not working, he will come in to cut and drive. Again, it wasn’t needed today. And Vander seems the first choice for that role. Understandably.

This. Plus, I know participation isn’t always consistent. I think there was one year Jamil stopped midway through due to an NBA tryout. The bubble was a bit unique in that was much less of a concern.

Not bad to have some additional depth.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mug644 on July 25, 2021, 08:45:24 PM
Cook has been a tremendous  TBT player for us.  He was the perfect addition I must say.  We really have a likable group of guys.

I agree that Cook has been a wonderful addition. I’ll also say that I think that Dan Fitzgerald and Joe Chapman have done a great job of seeing needs, filling gaps and managing the roster. And players have stepped up to play key roles. (For example, I love both Acker and D. Wilson on this team, along with Travis.)
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: harryp on July 25, 2021, 09:04:19 PM
I am satisfied with Golden Eagles but with the comments on Marquette and Joliet perhaps we could have considered Explorers
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 25, 2021, 09:25:25 PM
Very ironic that over the years Derrick has been a solid contributor to the success of the Golden Eagles team .

I think Defense and Passing are the two key important ingredients for a team to win in these games . Derrick definitely plays hard on defense and he moves the ball around well to guys who are wide open.



Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jsglow on July 25, 2021, 09:35:23 PM
Opening game so no worries.  Tons of talent and several years playing together.  Championship threat once again. Enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 25, 2021, 09:42:19 PM
Do we play tomorrow? 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: real chili 83 on July 25, 2021, 09:43:06 PM
Yes
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 25, 2021, 09:47:38 PM
Do we play tomorrow?

4 p.m. ET.

Fun game tonight. Literally, everybody who played contributed. Nice performances from a couple guys who took plenty of flak during their time at MU -- Derrick and Luke. With Jamil, Buycks, Acker, Cook, etc ... just too much talent for that opponent.

Tomorrow's opponent also won easily. Looking forward to the game.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 25, 2021, 09:55:08 PM
4 p.m. ET.

Fun game tonight. Literally, everybody who played contributed. Nice performances from a couple guys who took plenty of flak during their time at MU -- Derrick and Luke. With Jamil, Buycks, Acker, Cook, etc ... just too much talent for that opponent.

Tomorrow's opponent also won easily. Looking forward to the game.

Damn....was hoping to catch the action.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mug644 on July 25, 2021, 10:09:05 PM
4 p.m. ET.

Fun game tonight. Literally, everybody who played contributed. Nice performances from a couple guys who took plenty of flak during their time at MU -- Derrick and Luke. With Jamil, Buycks, Acker, Cook, etc ... just too much talent for that opponent.

Tomorrow's opponent also won easily. Looking forward to the game.

Great summary, 82. I’ll add that the beginning was a bit tense, as MU started slowly and was not hitting shots. Once they got in a groove and gauged what would work, they almost cruised.

Tomorrow may be different and will, either way, be fun.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: 94Warrior on July 26, 2021, 06:29:13 AM
Damn....was hoping to catch the action.
ESPN app on Roku has all TBT games on replay. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 26, 2021, 09:34:20 AM
I have really enjoyed watching Dwight Buycks play in this event over the years. He is a very entertaining player who plays hard every possession.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: DienerTime34 on July 26, 2021, 09:55:13 AM
Vander struggled to get going early. Lots of driving into the lane with his head own. Later in the game he showed tremendous ability jumping into passing lanes and getting easy scores. Seemed to get him going. I think his play will pick up as the tournament continues. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Markusquette on July 26, 2021, 10:09:02 AM
Like what I saw from Lojeski too. Think he will be more of an asset than Charlo when he settles in. Kind of wish Rowsey/Anim got in later on, but I guess I see why they don't need every guy. Cook is the star of the team this year.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: JWags85 on July 26, 2021, 12:01:05 PM
Like what I saw from Lojeski too. Think he will be more of an asset than Charlo when he settles in. Kind of wish Rowsey/Anim got in later on, but I guess I see why they don't need every guy. Cook is the star of the team this year.

Lojeski brings the same sort of thing Diener does.  Spent the last 8 years playing elite level ball in Europe.  So he's savvy and experienced even if he's not super athletic or a superstar.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2021, 01:04:26 PM
I have really enjoyed watching Dwight Buycks play in this event over the years. He is a very entertaining player who plays hard every possession.

Talented, too. On one possession yesterday, he threw a tremendous bounce pass to Jamil through traffic. And don't forget it was his aggressive drive and perfect dish that set up Diener's winner last year.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Markusquette on July 26, 2021, 01:14:27 PM
Surprised there isn't more chatter about the Golden Eagles tbt team. They've been more entertaining to watch than the actual college team for years.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on July 26, 2021, 02:47:55 PM
Surprised there isn't more chatter about the Golden Eagles tbt team. They've been more entertaining to watch than the actual college team for years.

The past 3 years I've made more of an attempt to watch tbt games over away games for Marquette
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jsglow on July 26, 2021, 02:49:02 PM
Surprised there isn't more chatter about the Golden Eagles tbt team. They've been more entertaining to watch than the actual college team for years.

It's great hoops and even better in person.  Everyone should attend if the opportunity ever presents itself.  Chick and I have attended some portion of 3 separate seasons; great experiences all.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on July 26, 2021, 02:54:39 PM
I’m a bit surprised Diener played as much as he did. If I remember last year, he was more of a role player. He still looked great running the offense.

Might be a function of DJO being hurt and losing a ball handler.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2021, 02:57:00 PM
I’m a bit surprised Diener played as much as he did. If I remember last year, he was more of a role player. He still looked great running the offense.

Ditto.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 26, 2021, 03:17:12 PM
is derrick better than vander at this point?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Its DJOver on July 26, 2021, 03:27:53 PM
Derrick knows his role better right now, mostly from experience with the team.  Not sure I'd say he's a better player than Vander though, although he's certainly closed the gap since college.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 26, 2021, 03:33:20 PM
with the small lineup Derrick is playing center on defense
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Marqevans on July 26, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
When do they play next?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on July 26, 2021, 03:38:12 PM
Derrick knows his role better right now, mostly from experience with the team.  Not sure I'd say he's a better player than Vander though, although he's certainly closed the gap since college.

I had to do a double take on his corner 3. It looked so pure.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 26, 2021, 03:40:18 PM
What's it on? Not on ESPN app that I see
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 26, 2021, 03:42:07 PM
Not playing well at all this first half.

Sloppy and a lot of missed jumpers.

Tie game though so plenty of time to get it going
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 26, 2021, 03:42:59 PM
When do they play next?

the next round would be Wednesday at 6 central on espn2
I believe the next round of final 8 is on 8/1
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on July 26, 2021, 03:50:40 PM
Is this game streamed anywhere?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 26, 2021, 03:52:42 PM
Is this game streamed anywhere?
https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/e9d7ec64-105b-4417-bf20-422bdd265d39
idk if its free or not 4 u
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 26, 2021, 03:56:32 PM
oof that was a brutal end to the half
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 26, 2021, 03:58:08 PM
the 5 point lead turned to a one point deficit after three layups.

Gave up 9 offensive rebounds
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 26, 2021, 04:13:17 PM
Is that Diamond Stone on the Jimmy V team?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Afroman on July 26, 2021, 04:15:05 PM
Wonder why no PT for Rowsey? Especially today with the horrible shooting display.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 26, 2021, 04:20:18 PM
a Sacar sighting for the final minute of the third.

...and an air ball to start the 4th

followed by a driving layup for a 6 point lead with 6:15.  Elam ending starts below 4 minutes
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 26, 2021, 04:44:50 PM
Wins a win. Gonna need to play much better going forward but we got it done down the stretch.

Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: warriorchick on July 26, 2021, 04:45:10 PM
Jamil heading to the merch table to buy a new jersey.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 26, 2021, 04:45:45 PM
Marquette wins 71 - 64.

Sacar sparks the team in the 4Q.
Derrick Wilson with a big 3 in the Elam Ending.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 26, 2021, 04:46:35 PM
Jamil heading to the merch table to buy a new jersey.

Travis playing with that ripped t-shirt to boot.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: AlumKCof93 on July 26, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
Big 3 by Derrick Wilson, followed by 3 for Jamil Wilson and MU escapes!

Marquette did not play well.  The 4Q was a mess with everyone launching 3s.  No one could hit - and that was true on both sides.  For some reason, no one from Marquette ever took it to the hole so it was just a matter of hoping the shots would eventually go down.  To me, Derrick Wilson had the big shot.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: jficke13 on July 26, 2021, 04:47:28 PM
Get these next rounds off of ESPN3 and onto something I can watch dangit!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 26, 2021, 04:49:50 PM
Wednesday at 6 central on espn2
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 26, 2021, 04:52:09 PM
Good win against a capable team .
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Mutaman on July 26, 2021, 04:54:17 PM
Can’t knock Chapman's success but I sure don’t understand why Fisher only played two minutes after the game he had Sunday. Marquette was killed on the boards 40 to 30.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2021, 04:56:22 PM
Derrick Effen Wilson!

He has made as many 3s in the last two games as he did in his first 3 seasons at Marquette. Stepped confidently into 'em. Good for him ... and good for the Golden Eagles!

Jamil has been clutch in the TBT over the years. Reminds me of Davidson!

Fun game, even if our shooters were cold. Hoping that Cook doesn't have an injury that will linger.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Boozemon Barro on July 26, 2021, 04:58:11 PM
I wish Elgin Cook had played for Marquette. Love his game.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: warriorchick on July 26, 2021, 05:00:42 PM
Derrick Effen Wilson!

He has made as many 3s in the last two games as he did in his first 3 seasons at Marquette. Stepped confidently into 'em. Good for him ... and good for the Golden Eagles!



Derrick has had quite the impressive Euro career.  Last year he was over 40% from 3.  The year before he averaged 20 points per game.

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/56294/derrick-wilson
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on July 26, 2021, 05:01:58 PM
Can’t knock Chapman's success but I sure don’t understand why Fisher only played two minutes after the game he had Sunday. Marquette was killed on the boards 40 to 30.

Did you see fischers 2 minutes? Very reminiscent of his time at mu.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2021, 05:02:57 PM
Derrick has had quite the impressive Euro career.  Last year he was over 40% from 3.  The year before he averaged 20 points per game.

https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/56294/derrick-wilson

Nice. Good guy who played his arse off at Marquette. Some guys are late bloomers ... some are VERY late bloomers!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 26, 2021, 05:10:57 PM
Get these next rounds off of ESPN3 and onto something I can watch dangit!

I got the Disney+, Hulu, & ESPN+ bundle so that's how I watched.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 26, 2021, 05:14:37 PM
I see we only took five free throws??  WTH?  Any reason we weren't in attack mode?  I suppose a win is a win but do we need to step it up?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 26, 2021, 05:21:17 PM
I see we only took five free throws??  WTH?  Any reason we weren't in attack mode?  I suppose a win is a win but do we need to step it up?
The other team had legit Players . Hard to just impose your will the further the team goes in the tournament .
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: JakeBarnes on July 26, 2021, 05:27:27 PM
I see we only took five free throws??  WTH?  Any reason we weren't in attack mode?  I suppose a win is a win but do we need to step it up?

Shoulda been 7, but refs didnt know we were in bonus at end of 2h
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mumi27 on July 26, 2021, 05:36:50 PM
DJO’s offense seems missing and unfortunately Vander hasn’t been able to entirely pick up that slack but good game for the team nonetheless. Really would have liked seem to have seen Cook play at Marquette, man is he fun to watch
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Mutaman on July 26, 2021, 06:16:26 PM
Did you see fischers 2 minutes? Very reminiscent of his time at mu.
::)
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 26, 2021, 06:57:10 PM
Ya.. ...include me in the Elgin Cook fan club.  Would have loved the guy in a MU uni.  It sounds like we're missing DJO which is understandable.  Hopefully we get things clicking on all cylinders from here on out. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2021, 07:39:00 PM
Shoulda been 7, but refs didnt know we were in bonus at end of 2h

Minor nit: Refs don't keep track of that kind of thing. It's up to the scorer's table to sound the horn and let the refs know it was a bonus situation. And both teams usually have a rep at the table, too, in part to make sure the official scorer doesn't mess up.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Nukem2 on July 26, 2021, 08:16:54 PM
Did you see fischers 2 minutes? Very reminiscent of his time at mu.
Fake news, as Luke averaged about 28 minutes per game in his 3 seasons at MU.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 26, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
DJO’s offense seems missing and unfortunately Vander hasn’t been able to entirely pick up that slack but good game for the team nonetheless. Really would have liked seem to have seen Cook play at Marquette, man is he fun to watch
Vander has been inactive at the competitive level since December 2019. He is still a little rusty, however is  working hard to play the defensive roles Chapman needs him to play.

I think he may do well offensively the next game , as the scouting report may not focus on him.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 26, 2021, 09:20:47 PM
Highlights after article.

https://thetournament.com/news/golden-eagles-playing-for-jimmy-v/
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Markusquette on July 26, 2021, 10:51:50 PM
Big 3 by Derrick Wilson, followed by 3 for Jamil Wilson and MU escapes!

Marquette did not play well.  The 4Q was a mess with everyone launching 3s.  No one could hit - and that was true on both sides.  For some reason, no one from Marquette ever took it to the hole so it was just a matter of hoping the shots would eventually go down.  To me, Derrick Wilson had the big shot.

Thought MU was decent actually. Great hustle on D. Some shots weren't falling but I think Jimmy V was pretty good for being such a new team.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on July 26, 2021, 10:53:03 PM
Fake news, as Luke averaged about 28 minutes per game in his 3 seasons at MU.

Uhh, that's not what that means.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on July 27, 2021, 09:21:03 AM
I’m not sure how much of a role it plays, but to me it seems like Chapman being the coach is a nice advantage for the MU team. He seems to know his stuff and has the perfect demeanor for this type of event. Calm, but will challenge the guys.  Some of the other coaches seem to just be friends of some guys on the team.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on July 27, 2021, 10:58:58 AM
I’m not sure how much of a role it plays, but to me it seems like Chapman being the coach is a nice advantage for the MU team. He seems to know his stuff and has the perfect demeanor for this type of event. Calm, but will challenge the guys.  Some of the other coaches seem to just be friends of some guys on the team.

Enjoyed him catching himself before swearing.

https://twitter.com/joechap32/status/1419793475344769027?s=20
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 27, 2021, 11:10:38 AM
Enjoyed him catching himself before swearing.

https://twitter.com/joechap32/status/1419793475344769027?s=20

Yeah, that was funny.

Does anybody here know Joe personally, or know a lot about him? Does he have any interest in getting into coaching?

I'm not sure how much these kinds of events tell us about actual X-and-O coaching ability -- maybe a lot, maybe a little, as I said I'm not sure -- but Joe definitely seems to have the right demeanor for it, and he seems to have the respect of the professional basketball players under his charge. That means a lot.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Skip Intro on July 27, 2021, 11:35:08 AM
Yeah, that was funny.

Does anybody here know Joe personally, or know a lot about him? Does he have any interest in getting into coaching?

I'm not sure how much these kinds of events tell us about actual X-and-O coaching ability -- maybe a lot, maybe a little, as I said I'm not sure -- but Joe definitely seems to have the right demeanor for it, and he seems to have the respect of the professional basketball players under his charge. That means a lot.

He runs his own respected basketball academy in WI and (I believe) coached an AAU program.  I have no doubt that he has the X-and-O ability to coach at even the college level. 

That being said, those academies/clinics can be a pretty big cash cow, so the financial motivation to coach a "team" may not be there.  He's coaching and getting paid to do so, just without the added pressure of W-L results. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BCHoopster on July 27, 2021, 11:35:46 AM
Yeah, that was funny.

Does anybody here know Joe personally, or know a lot about him? Does he have any interest in getting into coaching?

I'm not sure how much these kinds of events tell us about actual X-and-O coaching ability -- maybe a lot, maybe a little, as I said I'm not sure -- but Joe definitely seems to have the right demeanor for it, and he seems to have the respect of the professional basketball players under his charge. That means a lot.

Joe is a great guy but he just with Travis and another person, built Athletic Performance Center.  Coaching at least 75 teams in AAU so right now I do not see him
leaving that situation, maybe later on yes, but has a nice job right now.  Never know the future.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Jay Bee on July 27, 2021, 12:21:54 PM
I love TBT in all of its bare-legged, high-heeled, low-necklined glory.

PS- flights to Dayton this weekend suck. Dang it.

PPS - Devendorf still bothers the hell out of me.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 27, 2021, 12:56:45 PM
Thanks Skip and Hoopster for your insight on Joe Chapman.

I'm glad he has found success doing something he loves.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 27, 2021, 01:08:13 PM
Joe is a great guy but he just with Travis and another person, built Athletic Performance Center.  Coaching at least 75 teams in AAU so right now I do not see him
leaving that situation, maybe later on yes, but has a nice job right now.  Never know the future.
Joe can run that coaching academy business until he retires. He can have fun and make a very comfortable living along.  He is his own boss and the customers love the product he is delivering.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 27, 2021, 02:38:16 PM
Autism Army looks like a talented squad on paper . Has some size and good experienced players
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 27, 2021, 03:01:25 PM
Autism Army looks like a talented squad on paper . Has some size and good experienced players

Neck circumferences?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on July 27, 2021, 03:02:04 PM
Autism Army looks like a talented squad on paper . Has some size and good experienced players


Don't worry, Marquette is very good at beating teams who are supporting good causes  ;D
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Skip Intro on July 27, 2021, 03:59:09 PM
Thanks Skip and Hoopster for your insight on Joe Chapman.

I'm glad he has found success doing something he loves.

I had some friends (w/ no affiliation to MU) who had their kids in his camp right as Covid shut everything down last year.  Apparently he pivoted to a virtual offering without hesitation and kept everyone engaged and learning - they were super impressed.  I have no doubt he can keep growing this business. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TallTitan34 on July 27, 2021, 04:53:47 PM
https://www.chapmanbasketballacademy.com/
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Hards_Alumni on July 27, 2021, 06:38:33 PM
I love TBT in all of its bare-legged, high-heeled, low-necklined glory.

PS- flights to Dayton this weekend suck. Dang it.

PPS - Devendorf still bothers the hell out of me.

It's just a nice little 11 hour drive!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 27, 2021, 09:54:18 PM
Bam!!!  Buh-Bye Ohio St. team in Columbus.  :)
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 28, 2021, 04:57:30 PM
https://twitter.com/thetournament/status/1420490231892135944
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on July 28, 2021, 05:17:58 PM
I love TBT in all of its bare-legged, high-heeled, low-necklined glory.


🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 06:26:08 PM
This team def misses DJO(not a shock).

3s still not falling.

Also, Luke if youre gonna play ya gotta grab D rebounds that go right by you.

Cook looks great again today. Need Jamil to get it going.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 06:37:48 PM
Alright we got Vander in a groove now.

Let him ride with the starters for a bit
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 28, 2021, 06:52:37 PM
thx balding white guy
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 06:59:37 PM
How goes it?  1st half overall grade? 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:05:26 PM
Bam!!  Derrick!!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:07:24 PM
Bam
Bam
Bam

Just got home, turned on the game, and our boys score a quick 8.  Let's go now.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 07:10:17 PM
The 3s are falling now
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:13:04 PM
I thought this was TBT?  How many fouls have they called on us?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 07:18:43 PM
The TO's we are forcing are nice but..

Gonna need to stop fouling and giving them easy baskets on the non TO possessions.

Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:18:55 PM
Our defense needs to be better.  Hard doubles if we have a small guarding in the post.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 07:21:20 PM
Can we make some free throws?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:23:47 PM
Can we make some free throws?

Brutal.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 07:25:41 PM
Ball movement is incredible.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:25:50 PM
Damn....Cook missed a shot.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:27:13 PM
Take control early in the 4th.  Vander time?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:32:44 PM
Sweet Jesus.  Total lack of focus.  Two unconscionable turns.  Focus.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 28, 2021, 07:33:03 PM
pissing away the lead
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 07:33:08 PM
Horrendous offense to start the 4th.

Feels like we are trying to just get to Elam and dont know what to do.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:35:44 PM
Horrendous offense to start the 4th.

Feels like we are trying to just get to Elam and dont know what to do.

Exactly right.  Nonchalant nonsense.  Attack and take good shots.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:39:02 PM
Get Cook back in the game.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:40:05 PM
Diener looks sluggish to me.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 07:41:25 PM
Alright score 8 before they get 18 and we are in the Elite 8 again.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:41:32 PM
Wow.....Lojeski!  Big shot.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 28, 2021, 07:42:52 PM
Diener looks sluggish to me.
its almost like hes a 40 yr old 5 11 whte dude eh
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:44:50 PM
Ughh...grab that rebound. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 07:48:09 PM
The Diener Dagger
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 07:48:30 PM
KABOOM !!  Diener does it again!!  :)
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 28, 2021, 07:48:37 PM
damn how many winners has he hit
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: warriorchick on July 28, 2021, 07:48:49 PM
DADDY WON!!!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 28, 2021, 07:51:15 PM
Sounds like they lost.  Tough break
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 28, 2021, 08:06:55 PM
LOL this reads like any MU game day thread, even when we win.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 08:11:35 PM
I'd like to see Rowsey get a few mins.  I also agree that not having DJO is a concern.  Hopefully he's back next year. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 08:15:10 PM
I didn't see Fischer in the 2nd half.  Was he totally ineffective the first few games?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 28, 2021, 08:17:31 PM
I didn't see Fischer in the 2nd half.  Was he totally ineffective the first few games?
It was mentioned at beginning of game he had ice on ankle last game and at beginning of game. Probably injured beginning of last game.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 08:18:42 PM
I didn't see Fischer in the 2nd half.  Was he totally ineffective the first few games?

Bum ankle and mostly a liability out there. When hes on D his guy looks to go 1 on 1.

On offense he doesnt really compliment our ball movement offense that usually ends in a open 3 and good drive.

Second half we played the veteran studs and main role guys.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 08:26:01 PM
Bum ankle and mostly a liability out there. When hes on D his guy looks to go 1 on 1.

On offense he doesnt really compliment our ball movement offense that usually ends in a open 3 and good drive.

Second half we played the veteran studs and main role guys.

I think Lojeski is a good addition.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: IrwinFletcher on July 28, 2021, 08:27:51 PM
LOL this reads like any MU game day thread, even when we win.

No kidding.  Checked the board to see if I could get a score and it reminded me why I never go to this board.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 08:30:59 PM
We had a significant lapse early in the 4th Q .  Fortunately we still got it done.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 28, 2021, 08:37:05 PM
No kidding.  Checked the board to see if I could get a score and it reminded me why I never go to this board.
if todays game posts here are to much for ya how do u even read any thread lol?? there werent any questionable posts in the slighest
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 28, 2021, 08:49:00 PM
if todays game posts here are to much for ya how do u even read any thread lol?? there werent any questionable posts in the slighest
They we're mostly negative even while ahead
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 28, 2021, 08:54:34 PM
They we're mostly negative even while ahead

They were both positive and negative like every game thread.  Turns can drive me up the wall I will admit.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2021, 09:00:47 PM
They we're mostly negative even while ahead

If you think what went down in this thread was "mostly negative" I am shocked you even dare leave your house every day.

Heck I am usually king pessimist and I think the worst thing I said was that we had a horrendous stretch to start the 4th(stone cold fact) that appeared to be a result of playing for Elam.

There was absolutely nothing over the top in this thread.

Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Its DJOver on July 28, 2021, 09:26:31 PM
Was never worried after that run to start the third.  Think we were way too experienced to ever be in any real danger.  We were also very consistently getting good looks so even if the D wasn't the best at times you always felt like the O would get us over the line.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 28, 2021, 10:06:42 PM
damn how many winners has he hit

not bad for a "40 yr old 5 11 whte dude"?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 28, 2021, 10:14:11 PM
Very pleased with tonight’s win .  Competition is strong and we are facing up to it well .
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: whitykj on July 29, 2021, 06:53:34 AM
Tempted to drive to Dayton if they win Saturday…….

Also F Syracuse
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 29, 2021, 08:24:16 AM
One thing I enjoy about the TBT team is how they move the ball around. They really have a great eye for where the open man is. They also understand where their teammates want to shoot from. The last play was a great example. The ball moved down the floor to Acker who saw Diener running down the sideline, Acker made a beautiful cross court pass right to where Diener could catch and shoot it on the run for the winner. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Scoop Snoop on July 29, 2021, 08:25:16 AM
DADDY WON!!!

I loved seeing the kids post the team on the board!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on July 29, 2021, 08:44:31 AM
Boeheim's Army rolled. I'm pulling for the boys on Saturday, but I'm worried that's just a hill too tall.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 29, 2021, 08:46:22 AM
If you think what went down in this thread was "mostly negative" I am shocked you even dare leave your house every day.

Heck I am usually king pessimist and I think the worst thing I said was that we had a horrendous stretch to start the 4th(stone cold fact) that appeared to be a result of playing for Elam.

There was absolutely nothing over the top in this thread.
::)
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: warriorchick on July 29, 2021, 09:39:23 AM
I loved seeing the kids post the team on the board!

Still my favorite Tweet of all time:

https://twitter.com/DienerTravis/status/1024082747877408770?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1024082747877408770&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252FDienerTravis%252Fstatus%252F1024082747877408770%26widget%3DTweet
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on July 29, 2021, 10:53:16 AM
damn how many winners has he hit

Will this hurt team chemistry as I believe Jamil is the record holder for most Elam Endings? Was there a slap of five between the two after the shot?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Mu8891 on July 29, 2021, 10:59:44 AM
It was a good win.  The ‘Cuse squad looked good ... will be a tougher matchup.

And ...Muggs ... u do go WAAAAAY overboard some times. lol

“ unconscionable turnovers “ ???

What are those exactly?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on July 29, 2021, 11:53:11 AM
It was a good win.  The ‘Cuse squad looked good ... will be a tougher matchup.

And ...Muggs ... u do go WAAAAAY overboard some times. lol

“ unconscionable turnovers “ ???

What are those exactly?

Cuse is gonna be really tough. Especially with them poaching some of the Overseas Elite guys.

But if the good guys keep moving the ball and getting mostly great looks, I like our chances to have a red hot shooting game.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 29, 2021, 12:01:55 PM
Next game is 2:00pm Eastern on Saturday on ESPN.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 29, 2021, 02:31:45 PM
It was a good win.  The ‘Cuse squad looked good ... will be a tougher matchup.

And ...Muggs ... u do go WAAAAAY overboard some times. lol

“ unconscionable turnovers “ ???

What are those exactly?

Sometimes I can get carried away, I'll admit that.  But to answer your question "unconscionable turnovers" are those that happen at critical junctures in the game that are either entirely unforced, or caused by ghosts.  That's the Modern Oxford English Dictionary definition. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Scoop Snoop on July 29, 2021, 03:46:42 PM
Sometimes I can get carried away, I'll admit that.  But to answer your question "unconscionable turnovers" are those that happen at critical junctures in the game that are either entirely unforced, or caused by ghosts.  That's the Modern Oxford English Dictionary definition.

Lily from AT&T couldn't have come up with a better definition in her brief career explaining the game in AT&T's ads during the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mug644 on July 29, 2021, 04:00:27 PM
Will this hurt team chemistry as I believe Jamil is the record holder for most Elam Endings? Was there a slap of five between the two after the shot?

And…did you see Buycks’ body language both as Acker sailed a pass over his head and Diener hit the game winning shot? Major concerns about whether Chapman has lost the team.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU82 on July 29, 2021, 04:14:08 PM
And…did you see Buycks’ body language both as Acker sailed a pass over his head and Diener hit the game winning shot?

No, didn't notice ... how did he react to Diener's ending shot?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 29, 2021, 04:15:54 PM
And…did you see Buycks’ body language both as Acker sailed a pass over his head and Diener hit the game winning shot? Major concerns about whether Chapman has lost the team.
I heard a letter signed by some players was handed to Chapman.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Marquette Overload on July 29, 2021, 05:11:14 PM
I believe Jamil is the record holder for most Elam Endings? Was there a slap of five between the two after the shot?

Go to Team>TBT Schedule at www.muoverload.com to see all Elam Enders. 

6 for Jamil
4 for Travis
2 for Buycks
2 for Cook
1 for Acker
1 for Williams
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mug644 on July 29, 2021, 06:01:29 PM
No, didn't notice ... how did he react to Diener's ending shot?

It was a joke, though I did notice the Buycks’ nonchalance when Acker threw over him, instead of giving him the easy slam (which would’ve been only 2 points and wouldn’t have ended the game, obviously).
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 29, 2021, 06:31:24 PM
It was a joke, though I did notice the Buycks’ nonchalance when Acker threw over him, instead of giving him the easy slam (which would’ve been only 2 points and wouldn’t have ended the game, obviously).

I'm glad I didn't see that mug.  I'm not exactly a fan of "nonchalance" during the course of any MU hoops situation.  Doesn't matter the score or opponent.  I go from relatively calm to seething frustration.  If we could simply relentlessly attack, minimize the dumpster fire turns, and shred the nets consistently from distance, people might actually find my words paciifistic and reasonable. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 29, 2021, 08:11:14 PM
I'm glad I didn't see that mug.  I'm not exactly a fan of "nonchalance" during the course of any MU hoops situation.  Doesn't matter the score or opponent.  I go from relatively calm to seething frustration.  If we could simply relentlessly attack, minimize the dumpster fire turns, and shred the nets consistently from distance, people might actually find my words paciifistic and reasonable.
So an almost perfect game, reasonable.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: PointWarrior on July 29, 2021, 09:19:10 PM
Muggsy - have you considered switching your allegiance to the Harlem Globetrotters?

I'm glad I didn't see that mug.  I'm not exactly a fan of "nonchalance" during the course of any MU hoops situation.  Doesn't matter the score or opponent.  I go from relatively calm to seething frustration.  If we could simply relentlessly attack, minimize the dumpster fire turns, and shred the nets consistently from distance, people might actually find my words paciifistic and reasonable.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 29, 2021, 10:43:05 PM
I don't think I wrote anything remotely controversial, nor did I insinuate  that I expected perfection.  It's important to remember we should always be in attack mode and have the mindset of rejecting mediocrity.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: willie warrior on July 30, 2021, 05:16:01 AM
I don't think I wrote anything remotely controversial, nor did I insinuate  that I expected perfection.  It's important to remember we should always be in attack mode and have the mindset of rejecting mediocrity.
Unfortunately many Wojo-Dukiet slurpers on this board did not share your mindset of rejecting mediocrity.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Hards_Alumni on July 30, 2021, 06:25:23 AM
Unfortunately many Wojo-Dukiet slurpers on this board did not share your mindset of rejecting mediocrity.

Please, please find them for me.  Or stop.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2021, 06:31:25 AM
Unfortunately many Wojo-Dukiet slurpers on this board did not share your mindset of rejecting mediocrity.

Yes, the TBT team has been the very definition of mediocrity.  How anyone can watch them without pointing that out is beyond me.  It CHAPS me how this board accepts such a team.  Chap-wo-man needs to go
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 30, 2021, 07:25:30 AM
I was basicallty writing in jest.  The TBT team has been outstanding....I just prefer complete domination and don't like lapses. :)
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
I was basicallty writing in jest.  The TBT team has been outstanding....I just prefer complete domination and don't like lapses. :)

We know.  Someone else doesn’t!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Newsdreams on July 30, 2021, 01:47:41 PM
Unfortunately many Wojo-Dukiet slurpers on this board did not share your mindset of rejecting mediocrity.
Mazos burgers are mediocre at best.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: willie warrior on July 30, 2021, 01:50:23 PM
Please, please find them for me.  Or stop.
You stop. There were plenty of Wojo-Dukiet slurpers defending him all along. Read the board.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Hards_Alumni on July 30, 2021, 02:04:13 PM
You stop. There were plenty of Wojo-Dukiet slurpers defending him all along. Read the board.

Oh, so you can't find any right now?  Got it.

Keep beating that dead horse though.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2021, 02:09:07 PM
Oh, so you can't find any right now?  Got it.

Keep beating that dead horse though.

It’s a green horse
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: bilsu on July 30, 2021, 06:21:26 PM
I was basicallty writing in jest.  The TBT team has been outstanding....I just prefer complete domination and don't like lapses. :)
Did you watch the Bucks?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: TSmith34 on July 30, 2021, 08:43:05 PM
It’s a green horse
Big green horse weenies?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: willie warrior on July 31, 2021, 04:06:45 AM
Oh, so you can't find any right now?  Got it.

Keep beating that dead horse though.
Not going to do your work for you. Find another suckered. Got it.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 31, 2021, 05:04:05 AM
of course willies up at 4
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 31, 2021, 08:26:18 AM
 Vander had been out of basketball since December 2019 , when he got laid off by the Santa Cruz Warriors g league . His mom died as well which was tough on him . So he had some rust coming into the TBT . He has been slowing getting back in form. Had a nice 5 minute run last game where he contributed  8 points . I think we will see even more today and a lot of hustle from Vander
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 01:06:36 PM
Let's go now!  I cannot stand Syracuse past or present.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 31, 2021, 01:20:45 PM
Just hearing the Devendorf name triggers some stuff........
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 01:31:02 PM
Excellent offensive quarter.  Need to do a bit better on the defensive glass.  Also, things went a little out of whack when Luke entered the game.  He struggles mightily defensively.  TBT Warriors up by 6.  Is that Elgin Cook or Elgin Baylor?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 01:46:48 PM
We've gotta figure out how to secure the defensive glass.  Killing us and will be hard to overcome.  They have 10+ offensive rebs. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 01:51:20 PM
Was that a travel on Buckys??  WTF?  Cost us a triple.  Smh.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on July 31, 2021, 01:53:18 PM
Offensive rebounds are the only reason this game isn’t a blowout. Not sure why they have Cook chasing around the ball handler while Buycks/Diener/Derrick are trying to bang in the post defensively.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 01:55:28 PM
TBT Warriors up 39-32.    We're doing damage from distance and moving thr rock well offensively.  Terrific half in particular for Buckys.  On the flipside we are getting punished a bit inside and especially on the glass.  Solid half, just need to keep up the efficiency on offense.  And rebound with a bit more tenacity.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 01:57:11 PM
Offensive rebounds are the only reason this game isn’t a blowout. Not sure why they have Cook chasing around the ball handler while Buycks/Diener/Derrick are trying to bang in the post defensively.

Good point.  We need to axe some of the auto-switching. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 31, 2021, 02:13:56 PM
We need Jamil to find some heat soon.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: whitykj on July 31, 2021, 02:15:23 PM
Fischer needs to be in this game
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:18:14 PM
We need Jamil to find some heat soon.

Yes Herman.  Missed three triples,, two wide open.   It's gonna be tough if we can't rebound. at all.  They must have at least 15+ extra possessions?   Gotta find a way to clean the glass.  NOW.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:18:48 PM
Fischer needs to be in this game

He struggled defensively but we may have no choice.  Lojeaki??
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on July 31, 2021, 02:20:27 PM
Acker can’t play. Length on him defensively and they’re just attacking him offensively.

Huge shot by Diener.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:21:28 PM
Huge three from Travis.  Let's go now!  Thatta boy Luke.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:23:38 PM
BAM!!  Diener once again!! 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: whitykj on July 31, 2021, 02:24:53 PM
Diener, so hot right now
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:30:00 PM
58-80 TBT Warriors up to start the 4th Q.  Huge stretch for TD to give us this cushion when it was a 1pt lead.  Luke was solid as well.  But we still have to rebound.  They must have something absurd like 20 2nd chance opportunities. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 31, 2021, 02:30:59 PM
wats in deiners water bottle?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Shooter McGavin on July 31, 2021, 02:33:06 PM
Great shot by Uncle Drew!
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:33:59 PM
Damn.  Luke has to secure that reb.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 31, 2021, 02:36:18 PM
damn
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:36:26 PM
Ughhh.  6pt swing their way.  Need to get Buycks back in the game.  Jamil just off with his J, hopefully he finds it.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: JTJ3 on July 31, 2021, 02:39:58 PM
Jamil's footwork on his jumper is so ugly.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:41:56 PM
He headbutted  Mo.  WTH?

Ridiculous shot by Richardson.

Diener time to close?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 31, 2021, 02:41:57 PM
f off with that 3
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:46:07 PM
No Diener?  Huge miss by Jamil.  Fk.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 31, 2021, 02:47:24 PM
jamil missed like 6 straight
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:49:05 PM
They call a foul on that???  Smh.  What a shame.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: BLM on July 31, 2021, 02:49:23 PM
Haha the free throw and the ball on a loose ball foul. The Elam ending sucks.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:49:53 PM
jamil missed like 6 straight

Really unfortunate.  We were in perfect position Johnny. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: whitykj on July 31, 2021, 02:50:32 PM
Yea just went cold, dont have the size to compete with them
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:50:44 PM
Need a triple here.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:51:59 PM
What was that??  Smh.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 31, 2021, 02:53:23 PM
19-4 run is pretty pathetic. didnt deserve the win
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mumi27 on July 31, 2021, 02:55:01 PM
Jamil picked a real bad time to play some awful basketball
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: whitykj on July 31, 2021, 02:55:13 PM
The difference was offensive rebounds, didn't like Chapmans rotations at all
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on July 31, 2021, 02:55:18 PM
Pretty sure Tyrese Rice just had 5 straight layups or fouls drawn. Horrible defense.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on July 31, 2021, 02:55:53 PM
No one wanted to take a shot. Jamil shooting was brutal. Felt like Vander was getting to the basket with relative ease.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on July 31, 2021, 02:55:59 PM
Haha the free throw and the ball on a loose ball foul. The Elam ending sucks.

Nothing to do with elam. That's a rule they're experimenting for ncaa and nba.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: mileskishnish72 on July 31, 2021, 02:56:12 PM
True, True. Rebounding and D.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 31, 2021, 02:56:12 PM
Pretty sure Tyrese Rice just had 5 straight layups or fouls drawn. Horrible defense.
yeah what the hell. just easily blew by for open lay ups
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:57:03 PM
Very frustrating loss.   It just wasn't Jamil's day and we had no answer for Rice.  I also thought Diener lost his mojo when he sat extended mins.  Still they sort of bully balled us.  Hopefully DJO is back and we add an additional big.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on July 31, 2021, 02:57:18 PM
yeah what the hell. just easily blew by for open lay ups
too afraid of giving up the 3 they just gave him 5 layups instead.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on July 31, 2021, 02:57:39 PM
Hot take that Matt was just a bad pickup. His shooting wasn't great, and his defense there... ouch
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 02:58:20 PM
yeah what the hell. just easily blew by for open lay ups

The lack of help d was dumbfounding down the stretch.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 31, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
All goods things eventually come to an end.

Unfortunate day for Jamil.

Need a couple of roster revisions for next year. Hopefully , DJO comes back healthy.

 

 

 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: tower912 on July 31, 2021, 02:59:01 PM
Grab defensive rebounds, make some shots.   Ah, well.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: JTJ3 on July 31, 2021, 03:00:59 PM
Need to add size.  And its gonna have to come from a non-MU alum.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 03:02:00 PM
Grab defensive rebounds, make some shots.   Ah, well.

Is there a versatile big  we can add with Milwaukee connections?  We definitely missed DJO.  Just a money player with tremendous physical toughness and coast to coast jets.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Johnny B on July 31, 2021, 03:02:35 PM
wats sam decker N nigel hayes up to?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: cheebs09 on July 31, 2021, 03:02:55 PM
Is there a versatile big  we can add with Milwaukee connections?  We definitely missed DJO.  Just a money player with tremendous physical toughness and coast to coast jets.

Brett Roseboro
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 03:03:00 PM
Need to add size.  And its gonna have to come from a non-MU alum.

Let's think.....who's out there?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: tower912 on July 31, 2021, 03:07:54 PM
Eventually Cain or Theo.   Bailey?   Someday Henry?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 31, 2021, 03:09:07 PM
It was fun while it lasted.
Back to the Olympics.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on July 31, 2021, 03:35:11 PM
Wow, that was disappointing. Lead all the way in time portion of the game. Stinks losing to the Syracuse squad.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 31, 2021, 03:52:08 PM
Wow, that was disappointing. Lead all the way in time portion of the game. Stinks losing to the Syracuse squad.

In the end it was a BC guy who beat them.

What happened to Cook in the 4th?
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 31, 2021, 04:14:41 PM
of the 6 guys that played 12+ minutes today, only two of them were former Syracuse players (McCullough & Richardson).
the others; Deandre Kane, Iowa State; DJ Kennedy, St John's; Tyrese Rice, Boston College, Keifer Sykes UW-Green Bay

Boeheim's Mercenary Army.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: willie warrior on July 31, 2021, 04:19:22 PM
of the 6 guys that played 12+ minutes today, only two of them were former Syracuse players (McCullough & Richardson).
the others; Deandre Kane, Iowa State; DJ Kennedy, St John's; Tyrese Rice, Boston College, Keifer Sykes UW-Green Bay

Boeheim's Mercenary Army.
Boeheim has always been a prick. Just like No Dick.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2021, 04:57:25 PM
 Chap-wo-man-Dukiet slurpers should apologize
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 31, 2021, 05:05:30 PM
of the 6 guys that played 12+ minutes today, only two of them were former Syracuse players (McCullough & Richardson).
the others; Deandre Kane, Iowa State; DJ Kennedy, St John's; Tyrese Rice, Boston College, Keifer Sykes UW-Green Bay

Boeheim's Mercenary Army.


So what?  No requirement that they graduate from Syracuse. Sour grapes.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 05:11:18 PM
I felt the offensive rebs were eventually going to bite us in the ass.  That said if Jamil hits a few shots we get the W.  He's been an outstanding TBT player, unfortunately he had an off game.  I do think Diener should have stayed on the floor when he had it rolling to start the 4Q and Rice absolutely killed us and we didn't get the ball out of his hands.  It's a game we should have won which sucks. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: #UnleashRowsey on July 31, 2021, 10:18:55 PM
of the 6 guys that played 12+ minutes today, only two of them were former Syracuse players (McCullough & Richardson).
the others; Deandre Kane, Iowa State; DJ Kennedy, St John's; Tyrese Rice, Boston College, Keifer Sykes UW-Green Bay

Boeheim's Mercenary Army.

Dumb take. Charlo and cook have been very big for us.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: brewcity77 on July 31, 2021, 11:23:44 PM
Dumb take. Charlo and cook have been very big for us.

Honestly, I wish Golden Eagles had gone after Overseas Elite guys too. Especially after the DJO injury.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Herman Cain on July 31, 2021, 11:35:55 PM
I would like to see JJJ on this team . I think he would fit in well.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2021, 11:54:35 PM
Honestly, I wish Golden Eagles had gone after Overseas Elite guys too. Especially after the DJO injury.

We need one more big and DJO to come back Herman.  Ellenson could be an option?  The rebounding today was absolutely brutal.
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: WarriorFan on August 02, 2021, 07:33:27 AM
It was great fun watching TBT so far this year and the finalists are deserving.  While I was hoping to see MU in the finals tomorrow, I'm still headed to Dayton to see the game.

I predict a few years drought coming up as the players who are "good enough" get too old, and the alum from the Wojo years aren't good enough.  I can't see Henry, Rowsey, Sacar, Fischer going far.  Duane Wilson and Deonte could probably contribute in this format if they would re-join the "MU" group.  it was nice to see Vander back.  Too bad he wasn't really in shape. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 02, 2021, 10:15:44 AM
It was great fun watching TBT so far this year and the finalists are deserving.  While I was hoping to see MU in the finals tomorrow, I'm still headed to Dayton to see the game.

I predict a few years drought coming up as the players who are "good enough" get too old, and the alum from the Wojo years aren't good enough.  I can't see Henry, Rowsey, Sacar, Fischer going far.  Duane Wilson and Deonte could probably contribute in this format if they would re-join the "MU" group.  it was nice to see Vander back.  Too bad he wasn't really in shape.

Henry would be solid. He wouldn't play, but he'd be solid. Agree though we're looking at a big drop off unless we start getting Wojos transfers/early departures
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: WarriorFan on August 03, 2021, 11:20:35 PM
It was a great final.  Close game.  Winner from UWGB alum Kiefer Sykes who was the player of the game. 

Dayton closed the half of the arena behind the players, so the base lines and one side were available for spectators and it was about 40% full.  Probably 3000 is my guess.  Mostly Syracuse fans including the royal Boeheim family.  I bought what showed as row 3 on ticketmaster and it turned out to be front row.  Only $30/seat.   Great value even if surrounded by orange!

Overall a great experience. 
Title: Re: TBT 2021
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on August 04, 2021, 12:16:31 AM
Championship Hat From 2020 TBT We Are Marquette