TBT 2021

[cheebs09]

Any chance that after beating a cancer charity team in the finals last season,  they partnered with Susan G Konen and this is connected to their ultimate warrior campaign?

That would be great and make some more sense. But it looks like that campaign was in 2017. Is it still going? Also, my thought would be they'd announce that at the same time. Especially once starting to get some heat on Twitter.

[tower912]

If they are partnering with a cancer charity, that precludes Markus from ever playing

[Galway Eagle]

Golden Warriors?

This would've been the best route. Also it's what I genuinely thought MU's mascot was when I was applying because my dad kept saying Warriors but I kept hearing the TV calling us the "Golden" 'somethings'

[GoldenWarrior11]

Golden Warriors?

Yes please.

[TallTitan34]

In the logo, just change ULTIMATE to MARQUETTE and tweak the face paint into more of a bird and everything is good.

[GoldenWarrior11]

If anyone is really that offended by the new name, then they have two options: 1) not watch or support the team or 2) watch the team as a hypocrite but continue to demand the team changes its name through social media or letter writing campaigns.  Do I agree with what Ultimate Warrior said?  Absolutely not.  Does the team utilizing a log that incorporates his wrestling gimmick automatically speak to my personal views?  Again, no. 

Unfortunately, there will always be tremendously unhappy people that will not be content until everyone around them is as unhappy as they are.  Very unfortunate.

[panda]

So does this mean Benjamin Martin in the Patriot, was an anti semite all along?!

[Galway Eagle]

It would seem to me the team needs to put something out that either says

"we wanted to pay homage to the Marquette Warriors name while avoiding the association with the native imagery. We were not aware of his past  statements and do not condone them"

Or

"We chose to focus on the character in spite of his statements"

Or

"We love him and are huge fans and condone his statements"

Basically leaving it be probably isn't the best decision right now.

[Galway Eagle]

So does this mean Benjamin Martin in the Patriot, was an anti semite all along?!

He wasn't really Mel gibsons character, the character was made by writers and interpreted by Mel. On top of that Mel didn't change his name and try to make Benjamin Martin be who he was in reality.

[TallTitan34]

If you have outrage at the Ultimate Warriors name and logo shouldn't you have that same outrage towards the Marquette Warriors name and logo?

Seems like a double standard to say how awful the Ultimate Warriors are yet wear Marquette Warriors t-shirts.

[The Lens]

Clearly, Joe Chapman and Dan Fitzgerald are racists.

Or they're dorky wrestling fans

[TallTitan34]

Or they're dorky wrestling fans

Put me in this camp.

[Skip Intro]

Wonder why they'd even change the name at this point?  They just won a championship under the Golden Eagles name.  Every single MU alum on the team played for the Golden Eagles. 

My first guess: MU's legal dept. politely asked them to change the name to avoid trademark dilution (I work in IP - I'm sure MU loves the added publicity this team brings, but the TBT team to use what is essentially the university's official team name hurts their ability to enforce trademark rights in the future).

My second guess:  some alum who cannot and will not ever get over the Warriors name paid them a bit of dough (perhaps enough to cover travel costs?) to bring back the Warriors in some form or fashion.  This is what they landed on.

[Skatastrophy]

Who sends a lawyer letter first? Marquette University, or the WWE

[MUBurrow]

Or they're dorky wrestling fans

As a fellow dorky wrestling fan I am bummed that the Ultimate Warrior turned out to be a total douchebag which keeps the name/logo change from being an amazing confluence of all of my favorite things, and that i will think of that when i see and root for this TBT team, which is otherwise the height of frivolous summer fun.

[jficke13]

I'm not really outraged, I'm more just puzzled. It seems like it's a odd choice in today's day and age given everyone's (perceived/real?) hypersensitivity. It was easily foreseeable that the name and logo would provoke at least some semblance of this reaction... and the choice to go forward with it anyway suggests to me either:

1. They did not conduct due diligence in this branding endeavor, which is... well, a pretty cavalier choice, or

2. They did conduct due diligence and either didn't care what reaction it would provoke (again, a pretty cavalier choice) or did not imagine anyone would care (which seems hard to imagine considering that all anyone yammering about these days seems to be "cancel culture")

Whatever, a dead wrestler I never watched and would not know existed were it not for his moment in the spotlight a few years ago for being a racist is the inspiration for the name. Sure, fine. I can separate the jackwagon from the TBT team branding. To the extent that I care at all, I care that this branding courted backlash and causes them to have to deal with all this noise.

[The Lens]

I'm not really outraged, I'm more just puzzled. It seems like it's a odd choice in today's day and age given everyone's (perceived/real?) hypersensitivity. It was easily foreseeable that the name and logo would provoke at least some semblance of this reaction... and the choice to go forward with it anyway suggests to me either:

1. They did not conduct due diligence in this branding endeavor, which is... well, a pretty cavalier choice, or

2. They did conduct due diligence and either didn't care what reaction it would provoke (again, a pretty cavalier choice) or did not imagine anyone would care (which seems hard to imagine considering that all anyone yammering about these days seems to be "cancel culture")

Whatever, a dead wrestler I never watched and would not know existed were it not for his moment in the spotlight a few years ago for being a racist is the inspiration for the name. Sure, fine. I can separate the jackwagon from the TBT team branding. To the extent that I care at all, I care that this branding courted backlash and causes them to have to deal with all this noise.

It should be noted that the guys running this team all have full time jobs.  They've given way more to MU, #mubb fans and TBT than the $83,000 they've received.  It's a part time, summer fun thing.  I'm pretty sure some of the players are just big wrestling fans and wanted to do something "cool" and it meshed with MU's hoops past.

[brewcity77]

If you have outrage at the Ultimate Warriors name and logo shouldn't you have that same outrage towards the Marquette Warriors name and logo?

Seems like a double standard to say how awful the Ultimate Warriors are yet wear Marquette Warriors t-shirts.

Completely fair. I stopped wearing Warriors stuff myself years ago and turned down free Warriors gear earlier this month.

I'm glad Marquette moved away from Warriors and glad they had the foresight to stay away. Willie Wampum and the blatantly racist past associated with the nickname is a part of our history, but a part better left in the past. It'd be nice if the TBT team had the same prescience to stay away from racist iconography.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

It should be noted that the guys running this team all have full time jobs.  They've given way more to MU, #mubb fans and TBT than the $83,000 they've received.  It's a part time, summer fun thing.  I'm pretty sure some of the players are just big wrestling fans and wanted to do something "cool" and it meshed with MU's hoops past.

I suspect this is the case as well.

Will be interesting to see where they go from here. No matter whether you believe this is hugely inappropriate or you believe it is no big deal, it is sure to cause a lot of noise that detracts from their accomplishments and distracts from this year's team.

[wadesworld]

Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on "cancel culture" when there's backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.

[TallTitan34]

Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on "cancel culture" when there's backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.

Great point.

[jficke13]

I suspect this is the case as well.

Will be interesting to see where they go from here. No matter whether you believe this is hugely inappropriate or you believe it is no big deal, it is sure to cause a lot of noise that detracts from their accomplishments and distracts from this year's team.

but (and I get that I was one of the people to point out the connection) is it though?

Like, outside of the corner of Extremely Online fandom, is either the Ultimate Warrior's name, likeness, or personal history even known a bit? If it weren't for a little bruhaha I read while bored at work several years ago, I would have seen the name as a callback to the pre-Golden Eagles name and Mexican Luchador type masks and that's it. So, what I mean to say is: Is it entirely possible that outside of the animated few who are predisposed to hear from each other will anyone even realize there's an issue here?

[brewcity77]

Interesting to see that people will get outraged that the Marquette team puts a patch on their uniform stating that Black Lives Matter, but hate on "cancel culture" when there's backlash from the alumni team taking the name and logo of a racist homophobe.

It's only cancel culture when someone or something they like is being cancelled.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

but (and I get that I was one of the people to point out the connection) is it though?

Like, outside of the corner of Extremely Online fandom, is either the Ultimate Warrior's name, likeness, or personal history even known a bit? If it weren't for a little bruhaha I read while bored at work several years ago, I would have seen the name as a callback to the pre-Golden Eagles name and Mexican Luchador type masks and that's it. So, what I mean to say is: Is it entirely possible that outside of the animated few who are predisposed to hear from each other will anyone even realize there's an issue here?

You might very well be right. I personally had no idea who Ultimate Warrior was, and if forced to guess would have said MMA or something similar; I certainly wasn't familiar enough to know about his past statements.

But now that it is out there, and many people have made the connection, I don't guess that the controversy will just fade away.

[jficke13]

It's only cancel culture when someone or something they like is being cancelled.

This is where we meme it into it's only cancel culture when it come from the cancel culture region of France, otherwise it's just sparkling hypocrisy.