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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #250 on: July 18, 2021, 07:33:35 PM »
...not debating, just asking...what about the University seal with Explorer Pere Marquette in a canoe with a Native American? The relationship between European explorer and NA’s was significant, and should be embraced, IMO. The Warriors moniker and ‘logo’ from ‘82 or thereabouts, and going forward, seemed pretty benign.


I have no problem with the seal.  But I also just don't really get all hung up on those things either.  If the University wants to change because people are taking offense to it, it really doesn't bother me one bit.
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #251 on: July 18, 2021, 08:35:22 PM »
I should also add that Marquette does a bunch of things more significant in its relationships with Natives than its seal and former nickname.
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #252 on: July 18, 2021, 09:14:44 PM »
Re:TBT...when’s the WarriorEagles, or whatever we are, first game?
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #253 on: July 18, 2021, 09:20:52 PM »
ok, so MU has not embraced the BLM ‘organization’, just the ‘movement’. Hmm. Well, I doubt too many folks get that.

My experience has been that everyone gets that except for those who willfully don't get it.

Since the BLM organization is garbage, MU should find a different approach, a different way to promote the black lives sentiment. The connotation is bad. In fact, wasn’t that one reason given as to MU not remaining Warriors, but with a different mascot? The connotation of negative NA imagery was too great?

I don't think connotation means what you think it does. But I think I understand what you are trying to say. There will always be reasons/excuses to not support a social justice movement. There were plenty of people during the 1960s who said that they couldn't support MLK's movement because of Malcolm X, or because of King's views on Vietnam, or because of King's personal failings etc. The movement was still just. The Warriors nickname is not a social justice movement. It is a mascot. Trying to compare the two doesn't work.

Oh well, it is what it is and probably always will be. But man, Golden Eagles is just sooo lame.

I've been wrong before but I agree with you that I don't see it changing. At this point, I think there are more living Golden Eagles alumni than Warrior alumni and that disparity will only grow. I actually don't have a problem with Golden Eagle as a mascot. Not the most unique name and certainly not related to MU history in anyway besides gold being our color, but they are bada$$ creatures IRL.
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #254 on: July 18, 2021, 09:36:14 PM »
The offensive imagery (Willie Wampum) was eliminated 22 years before the name Warriors was dropped. What followed was a series of inauthentic attempts by MU administrators to adopt "safe" replacements (Bleautaux, I cannot burn your moppy image out of my mind) that only whitewashed things and infuriated alumni even more (at a time when these same geniuses wanted to drop MUBB to DIII). It ended with an administration sell-out in exchange for land, compounded later with the ham-handed Gold fiasco.

Just as people adopt the term "Social Justice Warrior" today, MU could have found a way to make it fit the fabric of what the university was founded on and stood for. San Diego State Aztecs, FSU Seminoles, the Oakland Warriors and even the Potawatomis themselves (let's face it, betting is not true to the Native American heritage) have found a way to commercially market their imagery in a socially acceptable way.

And just to be clear, many of the same people advocating for "Warriors" today protested the Willie Wampum imagery back in 1971 when it was rightly dropped. More so, these same people were indeed SJWs on social, racial and anti-war issues. The BB coach and team stood up against this center stage: With their uniforms, their brashness, their f/u to the racist NCAA and with cutting down nets with switchblades. Warriors stood for something. The switch, not so much.

That said, the Warrior fabric has been broken long ago and diminished by administrators who never understood this history nor cared. It is far better in my mind to have Warriors as the underground nickname while tepidly having the Golden Eagles as the official (even though that imagery has absolutely nothing to do with the university's history or heritage and the birds aren't even seen in SE Wisconsin). It could have been done but the time has passed. A switch back now would be as inauthentic and offensive as a purple fuzzy ball of yarn was in the 1980's.

Move along people but I will continue to where my tasteful Marquette Warrior gear that fell of the back off the truck as my statement of protest.
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #255 on: July 18, 2021, 09:43:26 PM »
Can you give me an example?  I honestly can't think of one so I'm inclined to say no.
The one that comes to mind is "gay". Definitely a derogatory slur when I was growing up, at least for the most part, but now simply a descriptor of sexual orientation, at least for the most part.
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #256 on: July 18, 2021, 10:17:23 PM »
The one that comes to mind is "gay". Definitely a derogatory slur when I was growing up, at least for the most part, but now simply a descriptor of sexual orientation, at least for the most part.

I'm not sure I can count that one. I could have the history wrong, but my understanding is that gay was used to refer to men who were attracted to other men before it became a slur. It became a slur because gays were considered lesser in society so using the correct term for a gay man as an insult worked. I don't know that the meaning of the word has changed, I think we now just recognize that using the proper term as an insult is not appropriate. Even so, gay is still used as an insult by some in society.
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #257 on: July 18, 2021, 11:52:05 PM »
Did I miss a poll anywhere re: expectations of where this TBT team will finish?

The comp is WAY better this year.
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #258 on: July 19, 2021, 12:07:27 AM »
Thank goodness you’re here for us lost souls. 

A 2019 WP poll further reaffirmed the ‘16 results and dug deeper. 

I won’t derail this thread further.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-survey-explores-how-native-americans-feel-about-the-name-washington-redskins-no-its-not-that-survey-this-one-is-new/2019/08/09/e38553bc-b581-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html%3foutputType=amp

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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #259 on: July 19, 2021, 12:40:14 AM »
...not debating, just asking...what about the University seal with Explorer Pere Marquette in a canoe with a Native American? The relationship between European explorer and NA’s was significant, and should be embraced, IMO. The Warriors moniker and ‘logo’ from ‘82 or thereabouts, and going forward, seemed pretty benign.

Uh, about that…
https://marquettewire.org/4041092/featured/garner-marquette-must-change-seal-meet-nasa-demands/
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #260 on: July 19, 2021, 01:22:20 PM »
July 24

from the TBT website:

Sunday  7/25 @ 5:00  vs.  B1 Ballers  (compiled of overseas pros)
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #261 on: July 19, 2021, 01:29:38 PM »
Uh, about that…
https://marquettewire.org/4041092/featured/garner-marquette-must-change-seal-meet-nasa-demands/
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #262 on: July 22, 2021, 08:57:36 AM »
I had no idea Sacar joined the team.

He should be a really nice piece in this
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #263 on: July 22, 2021, 08:40:35 PM »
TBT team at the Al today, scrimmaging Shaka’s guys.

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« Reply #264 on: July 22, 2021, 09:58:13 PM »
TBT team at the Al today, scrimmaging Shaka’s guys.
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #265 on: July 24, 2021, 09:55:18 AM »
TBT team at the Al today, scrimmaging Shaka’s guys.

Any idea how we looked?

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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #266 on: July 24, 2021, 10:09:57 AM »
I’ve asked. Haven’t heard back yet. 

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« Reply #267 on: July 24, 2021, 10:24:50 AM »
I’ve asked. Haven’t heard back yet.

Ty.  That's a pretty cool opportunity for our guys.  I'm curious if our bigs could do some damage inside.

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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #268 on: July 24, 2021, 11:18:38 AM »
Any word on the impact to the MU team’s NCAAT seed?

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« Reply #269 on: July 24, 2021, 02:11:19 PM »
Any word on the impact to the MU team’s NCAAT seed?

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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #270 on: July 24, 2021, 02:40:16 PM »
I can't find the time and date of our 1st game. The last info that I saw was tomorrow?? Thanks.

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« Reply #271 on: July 24, 2021, 02:56:10 PM »
I can't find the time and date of our 1st game. The last info that I saw was tomorrow?? Thanks.
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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #272 on: July 24, 2021, 05:30:58 PM »
The defending champs are on ESPN 3???

Completely and utterly inexcusable.

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Re: TBT 2021
« Reply #273 on: July 24, 2021, 06:00:04 PM »
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« Reply #274 on: July 24, 2021, 06:49:23 PM »
Saw that House of Paign got upset today that is very helpful to our cause as they were the number 2 seed in our region
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