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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MuggsyB on November 09, 2021, 07:24:10 PM
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Did Garcia NOT start for UNC?
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According to the box score, Garcia came off the bench but played 29 minutes. A respectable 12 points and 9 rebounds.
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Theo got 22 minutes off he bench for Duke in their big win against Kentucky and had a typical Theo line, 5 points 2 rebounds, 2 blocks, 3 fouls.
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Jamal Cain 15 and 7 in Oakland 60-53 loss to Huggy Bear
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Koby McEwen with 16 points on 5 of 6 shooting and ONLY two turnovers.
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Buffalo is only down 5 to Michigan in Ann Arbor. About 5 mins to go.
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Never mind.
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The great Bobby Hurley loses at home to UC Riverside, 10-point underdogs.
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The great Bobby Hurley loses at home to UC Riverside, 10-point underdogs.
Nice!!
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Nice!!
Winning basket was a miracle 70-footer … but that’s the kind of thing that happens when you let a team hang around.
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The great Bobby Hurley loses at home to UC Riverside, 10-point underdogs.
Very popular bet tonight.
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Who ya got: Nova or UCLA?
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Winning basket was a miracle 70-footer … but that’s the kind of thing that happens when you let a team hang around.
a good friend is the HC of Riverside. I texted him after the game to congratulate him on drawing up a great play. Just as he designed it.
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N Carolina beats Brown by 7. 7 points 6 rebounds for Garcia.
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MSU routs W Michigan. 12 points, 12 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and 1 block for Hauser.
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Princeton is about to take out South Carolina.
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Jose Perez @ Manhattan with 10 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists in a win over Fordham.
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Looking forward to UCLA/Nova now and Gonzaga/Texas tomorrow.
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Princeton is about to take out South Carolina.
I don't think that's much of an upset.
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Riley is out for UCLA. He will probably be back though by Dec 11th.
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Nova better wake up. It's brick city.
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I hope we get these refs Mon. They're letting them play.
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Wow. This is turning into a barn burner. The college game is so much better when the zebras aren't calling any fouls other than major contact. Nova is incredibly well coached and Gillespie looks like he's got something to prove this year.
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Refs really letting them play in this game
Not calling anything
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That was a clear travel by Juaquez before any And 1 occured
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That was a clear travel by Juaquez before any And 1 occured
100% And there have hacks at the rim uncalled the entire game.
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UCLA has 2 fouls called on them in the 2nd half btw.
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100% And there have hacks at the rim uncalled the entire game.
Officials making up for lack of calls against Nova.
I love Nova’s ball movement.
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Wright looks pissed. He feels like the last 4 mins has been a lot of home cooking.
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Novas offense was horrendous the last 8 min
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UCLA has more talent. Jaquez is exactly the kind of player I would like at MU. Needless to say, we don't match-up particularly well vs. these teams.
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Just to twist the knife….
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2708572-5-star-pg-tyger-campbell-commits-to-depaul-will-reclassify-to-class-of-18
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Just to twist the knife….
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2708572-5-star-pg-tyger-campbell-commits-to-depaul-will-reclassify-to-class-of-18
LOL.
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Jay Bilas is insufferable.
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Jay Bilas is insufferable.
I like him.
He’s a bit of a know it all and goes on spiels that get a bit tiresome
But guy is really into the game and knows his sh it about every team. Also, unlike most he doesn’t leak extreme bias while call a game too. Whether it’s to certain teams or conferences
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UCLA has more talent. Jaquez is exactly the kind of player I would like at MU. Needless to say, we don't match-up particularly well vs. these teams.
Watched the last 15 minutes of reg and OT.
Marquette is gonna crush these teams. 3-0, baby!
(OK ... I just woke up from my dream ... never mind.)
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I like him.
He’s a bit of a know it all and goes on spiels that get a bit tiresome
But guy is really into the game and knows his sh it about every team. Also, unlike most he doesn’t leak extreme bias while call a game too. Whether it’s to certain teams or conferences
My only issue with Bilas is he’s the smartest guy in the room and knows it. That said, he’s an excellent analyst and doesn’t engage in shtick.
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I like Bilas. I either learn something or think about something I already knew in a different way when he does a game.
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Bilas gets on a soapbox sometimes, especially when it comes to the refs, but the guy knows hoops and does a good job of explaining what we're seeing and/or what teams need to do.
He had one last night where he went on about the refs apparently blowing a call. But maybe 30 seconds later, while the FTs were being taken, he said something like, "I just saw the replay again, and he was all over him." So he acknowledged he had been wrong ... of course without really admitting he had been wrong.
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Jump on Dartmouth +7.5 at -110 right now. Hell, +340 ML is worth a look too.
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Holy crap......36 to 14?
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Jay Bilas is insufferable.
The man who made me believe in Harry Frohling.
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The man who made me believe in Harry Frohling.
Yeah ... he sure as hell didn't cover himself in glory there.
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Bradley is 0-2 with opening season losses to South Dakota State and Howard, both by double digits
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Bradley is 0-2 with opening season losses to South Dakota State and Howard, both by double digits
Wardle throwing games in protest for not getting the MU gig
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Jump on Dartmouth +7.5 at -110 right now. Hell, +340 ML is worth a look too.
Nice call, Dish!
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Who ya got Zags or Horns?
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I caught a few mins of Purdue yesterday. I can't stand that program but this 2G they have is a freaking stud. Ivey? Not sure where he came from but it wouldn't surprise me if he's a first team AA.
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Gonzaga’s bench 5 could be our starting 5. And that’s not even a knock on us
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Time is a way bigger douche than Reddick ever was.
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Time is a way bigger douche than Reddick ever was.
He’s so good
But celebrating every single basket is obnoxious.
Especially his stupid “too small” gesture for the defender
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Is there a more obnoxious player in college hoops than Drew Timme?
Edit: was so annoyed with him didn’t bother reading the other replies to see many others say the same thing.
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This looks like a complete mismatch. Beard may have to double Timme. Someone may put Timme on his ass before the year is finished.
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Texas has nobody that can guard Timme(obviously)
But they also have no one that can get in front of Nembhard. Or really even contain guys like Bolton and Strawther
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Texas has nobody that can guard Timme(obviously)
But they also have no one that can get in front of Nembhard. Or really even contain guys like Bolton and Strawther
Wow. That was a pretty emphatic 20 mins from Gonzaga. What do you do in general about Timme? Does any team have an enforcer?
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Wow. That was a pretty emphatic 20 mins from Gonzaga. What do you do in general about Timme? Does any team have an enforcer?
He’ll continue to struggle with teams that have a combination of size and athleticism. Unfortunately that’s a rare combination in college basketball. But I don’t see Gonzaga winning it all this year. They weren’t athletic enough to beat Baylor last year, and they didn’t get any more athletic this year.
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The mock drafts have Timme in the 2nd round.
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He’ll continue to struggle with teams that have a combination of size and athleticism. Unfortunately that’s a rare combination in college basketball. But I don’t see Gonzaga winning it all this year. They weren’t athletic enough to beat Baylor last year, and they didn’t get any more athletic this year.
Not saying they will win it. But this team is definitely more versatile than last year.
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The mock drafts have Timme in the 2nd round.
Going before or after Justin Lewis?
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Not saying they will win it. But this team is definitely more versatile than last year.
I don’t know. Kispert and Suggs were way, way better college players than anyone they added this year. They were both great.
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Texas goes zone. To beat Gonzaga you need an athletic big and possibly 85-90 pts.
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I don’t know. Kispert and Suggs were way, way better college players than anyone they added this year. They were both great.
Definitely. But adding Holmgren compliments Timme more imo to let him get space.
This team is deeper even tho they will still probably only go 8 deep sans foul trouble.
And with no Suggs. Nembhard can be in his more natural role with Bolton more of a fit in the role Nembhard had last year.
So IMO while losing Suggs and Kispert is a big blow. I think this team pieces together really well.
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All of a sudden we have a ball-game. Zags got cocky?
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I will say the one concern with this Zags team just like last year
Can they consistently make 3s.
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I will say the one concern with this Zags team just like last year
Can they consistently make 3s.
The 2 is pretty effective when you're like 14-18.
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Chet is very lanky. Needs a few more years?
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Chet is very lanky. Needs a few more years?
They are saying he's the #1 pick. The NBA is way different but I think he needs 2 more years.
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They are saying he's the #1 pick. The NBA is way different but I think he needs 2 more years.
They are saying he's the #1 pick. The NBA is way different but I think he needs 2 more years.
He undoubtedly "needs" more years to be an effective NBA player, but that doesn't mean he will "need" more years to be a top pick and instant multi-millionaire.
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The mock drafts have Timme in the 2nd round.
Not a chance. He’s a 6’9” true post player without a jump shot and who doesn’t handle the ball particularly well.
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Not a chance. He’s a 6’9” true post player without a jump shot and who doesn’t handle the ball particularly well.
You don't think he'll be drafted at all?
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The transfer I was hoping Marquette would get was Davidson's Kellan Grady. He is Kentucky's No. 2 scorer and is shooting 54% from 3-point range. He was a stud at Davidson, and has a decent shot at an NBA career.
Not sure whether Shaka ever gave him a call, and it's unlikely that he would have chosen MU over Kentucky anyway, but a girl can dream ...
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You don't think he'll be drafted at all?
He probably will. In regards to the NBA, look at his size and skill set. How does that match up with how the game is played in the NBA? Answer that question, and you will have a pretty good idea about where he gets drafted.
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Garza was drafted. Timme certainly could be drafted.
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Garza was drafted. Timme certainly could be drafted.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I'm guessing late 1st. He doesn't have the 3 ball like Kaminsky or Garza but can improve. He has excellent hands and footwork. I can't stand the guy but I think people are underestimating him a bit. No doubt his game doesn't fit today's nba but I think he couod be a modest contributor off the bench. Now, it's also possible someone decks him and it derails his career.
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They are saying he's the #1 pick. The NBA is way different but I think he needs 2 more years.
He doesn't need 2 more years. Durant was a twig when he was drafted. Brandon Ingram was a twig when he was drafted. Evan Mobley is 6'11 210 lbs and he was a top 3 pick.
Super skilled, fluid 7 footers who can shoot don't grow on trees. He'll bulk up as he ages and be fine. If the rest of his season is like the Texas game, maybe there is some pause, but I doubt it on both accounts.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I'm guessing late 1st. He doesn't have the 3 ball like Kaminsky or Garza but can improve. He has excellent hands and footwork. I can't stand the guy but I think people are underestimating him a bit. No doubt his game doesn't fit today's nba but I think he couod be a modest contributor off the bench. Now, it's also possible someone decks him and it derails his career.
Not a chance he's late 1st.
Garza is taller, shot better from 3 and the floor, and also was a voracious rebounder. Timme's rebounding stats are honestly fairly pedestrian.
I like Timme's game at the college level, but he's more Ethan Happ than Garza or Kaminsky, and we saw what happened to Happ professionally.
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He doesn't need 2 more years. Durant was a twig when he was drafted. Brandon Ingram was a twig when he was drafted. Evan Mobley is 6'11 210 lbs and he was a top 3 pick.
Super skilled, fluid 7 footers who can shoot don't grow on trees. He'll bulk up as he ages and be fine. If the rest of his season is like the Texas game, maybe there is some pause, but I doubt it on both accounts.
He is a no doubt Top 5 Pick. I would bet on top 3. This year.
I will take issue with your other statement, though. Holmgren was
outstanding in the Texas game. Offensively, he took a back seat, as any smart player would do, when someone is as unstoppable as Timme.
Defensively, he controlled the game. Texas took about 35% of their shots at the rim when Holmgren was on the bench. When he was on the floor, the number was around 15%, That is just a huge difference and illustrates the value of having him on the floor even when he is not looking for offense.
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He is a no doubt Top 5 Pick. I would bet on top 3. This year.
I will take issue with your other statement, though. Holmgren was
outstanding in the Texas game. Offensively, he took a back seat, as any smart player would do, when someone is as unstoppable as Timme.
Defensively, he controlled the game. Texas took about 35% of their shots at the rim when Holmgren was on the bench. When he was on the floor, the number was around 15%, That is just a huge difference and illustrates the value of having him on the floor even when he is not looking for offense.
I never said he was bad in the Texas game, and I even said I doubt there would be any pause. But for someone who is billed as an excellent scorer and all around player, he took a back seat (which isn't necessarily a problem but not what you might want from a top 3 pick, considering 4 other guys took more shots than him even with Timme doing what he does) and got in foul trouble. Its likely an anomaly, but if it happened a lot throughout a season, like I said, some people would potentially take pause, though unlikely NBA front offices would (or even should).
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Based on the first 10 minutes I get the feeling we’re gonna see some shenanigans from Brad Davison tonight.
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Nice. The Dence up 11 at the Kohl.
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He probably will. In regards to the NBA, look at his size and skill set. How does that match up with how the game is played in the NBA? Answer that question, and you will have a pretty good idea about where he gets drafted.
Timme will be a first-round pick, IMO. If you question his ability against NBA talen, go watch the tape of his matchup against #3 overall pick (and rookie of the year candidate) Evan Mobley in last year's tournament.
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How old is Nate Watson? 30?
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How old is Nate Watson? 30?
He's our best Chicago friend's nephew. And he's been a nice college player now for, oh, 12 years or so!
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He's our best Chicago friend's nephew. And he's been a nice college player now for, oh, 12 years or so!
Hopefully he and the Dence can slam the door the last 8 mins.
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Ughhh. Prov is gagging.
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Did Floppy just tuck the ballhandler's offhand under his arm and drag him so he traveled?
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Does anyone know the mask requirement for coaches on the bench? It looks really bizarre to see Gard cover and uncover his face to talk. I mean do rational people think this makes any sense?
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Did Floppy just tuck the ballhandler's offhand under his arm and drag him so he traveled?
Yes.
Bigger douchebag Flopison or Timme? What's your unbiased opinion?
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Thank you Providence.
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Mizzou loses by 14 at home to Missouri-Kansas City.
Yikes
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Thank you Providence.
Think it might be a long year for UW.
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Think it might be a long year for UW.
I think they were missing their best player tonight but they're not very good.
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Mizzou loses by 14 at home to Missouri-Kansas City.
Yikes
Yeah, Mizzou might be one of the worst power six teams this year. Can’t lose at home to UMKC.
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Always fun to watch Nutpuncher throw up brick after brick after brick after brick ... when he isn't whining or playing dirty, that is.
Pretty darn great night, with an MU win over a top-10 team and a Madison loss at home to a Big East team.
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Yeah, Mizzou might be one of the worst power six teams this year. Can’t lose at home to UMKC.
The Roos should still be respected. :)
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The Beach is hanging tough vs UCLA. Tie game under 4 mins in the first half.
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The Beach is hanging tough vs UCLA. Tie game under 4 mins in the first half.
This was an obvious let down spot in the first half for UCLA. There was no easier bet to make all year than LBSU first half +12.5.
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If you’re up and like money, Stanford team total under 70.5 (vs San Jose State) is sitting live at +100 right now.
Stanford is in the Mizzou power six dumpster fire club.
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If you’re up and like money, Stanford team total under 70.5 (vs San Jose State) is sitting live at +100 right now.
Stanford is in the Mizzou power six dumpster fire club.
I’ll take the L here. Stanford shoots 75% the first 11 minutes of the second half, and the last five minutes of the second half got chippy and extended possession totals.
All criticism warranted my way.
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Yes.
Bigger douchebag Flopison or Timme? What's your unbiased opinion?
Davidson without a doubt. Timme is annoying and demonstrative, but Davidson has a 5 year history of being flat out dirty. Timme isn't groin punching or hooking and holding constantly like that twerp.
Always fun to watch Nutpuncher throw up brick after brick after brick after brick ... when he isn't whining or playing dirty, that is.
Pretty darn great night, with an MU win over a top-10 team and a Madison loss at home to a Big East team.
I particularly liked Wisconsin down 5 under a minute, after the sheisty Davidson drag forced travel. Desperately need a bucket...and they get a Davidson 30 foot semi-fadeaway brick from deep.
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It was a joyful day of basketball yesterday. A fun Marquette win over Illinois followed by a disjointed Madison loss to Providence. I practically hopped out of bed this morning. What a beautiful sunny day!
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Yeah, Mizzou might be one of the worst power six teams this year. Can’t lose at home to UMKC.
even though Wojo didn't work out as we'd hoped he looks to have been an upgrade over our top choice, Cuonzo Martin.
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Did USC really agree to a game @ FGCU just so that Enfield could be inducted into their hall of fame? Ballsy...
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Howard shooting 67% from the field, 66% from 3, had an eFG% of 85% in the first half and are still down double digits to Nova.
Nova had only 1 TO in the first half and gave up no ORBs. Amazing how the little things can make that difference even against a hot team.
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Howard shooting 67% from the field, 66% from 3, had an eFG% of 85% in the first half and are still down double digits to Nova.
Nova had only 1 TO in the first half and gave up no ORBs. Amazing how the little things can make that difference even against a hot team.
Jay Wright once again letting Howard score a bunch of points.
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Where was the Hall picked in our league?
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Did USC really agree to a game @ FGCU just so that Enfield could be inducted into their hall of fame? Ballsy...
Is that the only way FGCU could get him there? That seems kind of sad.
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even though Wojo didn't work out as we'd hoped he looks to have been an upgrade over our top choice, Cuonzo Martin.
Everybody supposedly in the running in 2014 was seriously flawed. It's too bad it wasn't a year later; maybe Beard would have been a candidate.
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The Hall in great position to win this game in Ann Arbor.
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BYU up 19 at the half against Oregon in Portland.
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It's been a good start to the Gavitt Games.
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I didn't realize Michigan is ranked 4th. Great week for the big east.
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BYU up 19 at the half against Oregon in Portland.
Now up 29!! Wow just wow.
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Upset alert: George Mason up 8 at Mayland with 8 mins to go.
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Without Kolek?
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Without Kolek?
They probably won't hold on.
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Without Kolek?
Doesn’t bode well for Marquette if GMU is better without Kolek
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Or....maybe they will. :)
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Absolute horsebleep call on George Mason. Beyond inexcusable.
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Well, Maryland is without Morsell.
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Tremendous shot fake and finish from the Mason center! SLAM THE DOOR!
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George Mason's coach looks like he's 25.
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Doesn’t bode well for Marquette if GMU is better without Kolek
Looks like GMU brought in 3 pretty good transfer guards. So it took 3 guards to replace one Kolek.
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George Mason's coach looks like he's 25.
Google search says 33.
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Kim English made those two late free throws for Missouri to beat Marquette in 2009 tournament.
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Kim English made those two late free throws for Missouri to beat Marquette in 2009 tournament.
Wasn’t ready to relive that one tonight.
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Kim English made those two late free throws for Missouri to beat Marquette in 2009 tournament.
He's was a pretty solid player. It's a great thing to see B14 teams lose.
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Was that the one that led to the rule change? Or discussion thereof? Didn't he come off the bench?
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English came in to shoot the free throws because JT Tiller had a wrist injury. He made them.
Then, down 2 with 5.5 seconds left Lazar stepped over the end line on the in bounds. Foul, two more FT’s ball game.
English came off of the bench as a Freshman, and scored 15 points in less than 5 minutes plus the two FT’s for 17. Jerel had 30.
Kimmie worked for Haith at Tulsa, Boyle at Colorado, Barnes at Tennessee (recruited Kennedy Chandler). He’s very good. I’d be surprised if he didn’t coach Mizzou at some point.
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First ranked win for George Mason since 2007.
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Dayton loses by 19 at home to Lipscomb.
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Dayton loses by 19 at home to Lipscomb.
Obi Toppin ain’t walkin’ through that door!
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Dayton loses by 19 at home to Lipscomb.
ABD!
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I said this last week but Ivey on Purdue is no joke. Tremendous zoomability off the bounce and did you see that hops. Without question a lottery pick and maybe POY in college basketball.
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I said this last week but Ivey on Purdue is no joke. Tremendous zoomability off the bounce and did you see that hops. Without question a lottery pick and maybe POY in college basketball.
Purdue plays at a different speed
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Purdue plays at a different speed
Not a fan of that program but that team is super dangerous. They're a legitimate title threat. Excellent overall pieces and depth. On paper they should absolutely handle Nova. Really interesting match-up if they beat UNC.
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Not a fan of that program but that team is super dangerous. They're a legitimate title threat. Excellent overall pieces and depth. On paper they should absolutely handle Nova. Really interesting match-up if they beat UNC.
That’s a helluva game for November
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Colgate will win at Syracuse.
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Colgate will win at Syracuse.
https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1462209322738352128?s=21
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I flipped it on the final couple of minutes. Syracuse actually lead 17-2. Lost 100-85. Love it!
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Dayton loses by 19 at home to Lipscomb.
Aren't they one of the teams that is even more inexperienced than MU? Maybe 1 senior and 1 junior on the team.
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I flipped it on the final couple of minutes. Syracuse actually lead 17-2. Lost 100-85. Love it!
Losing to a local rival hurts
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I flipped it on the final couple of minutes. Syracuse actually lead 17-2. Lost 100-85. Love it!
Nice!!!
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Syracuse got pasted.
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I wish Nova/Purdue wasn’t at noon, that’s going to be a heck of a game.
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I wish Nova/Purdue wasn’t at noon, that’s going to be a heck of a game.
Was thinking the exact same. I'll try not to find out who won so I can watch the replay after I enjoy Cam's return. (At least I hope it's enjoyable for me.)
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Jaden Ivey is a good example of a player that initially wasn’t highly recruited that has done very well for himself and his teams, and continues to do so.
Purdue was his first high major offer after their camp. They were in on him well before many others.
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Having watched both Purdue and Nova it's hard to see Nova pulling this one off. I hope I'm wrong but Purdue has two really competent post bigs. Ivey is a total stud and they also have a dead-eye shooter. They're good and they're deep. Nova has to find a way to control the pace. They do not want a track meet with Purdue. We all.want small ball to prevail so hopefully Nova is on from distance.
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Edey is an enormous problem for Nova. Dude is 7'4.
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Nova getting absolutely hammered on the glass. They may have to make 12+ triples.
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It's early but it looks like Purdue just has too much. They're getting any shot they want and dominating inside.
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Great to see the refs letting these teams play. Zero total free throws Soid half of hoops. Somehow Nove up 33-31.
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Nova had their first turnover with 13:15 to go in the game.
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Nova had their first turnover with 13:15 to go in the game.
Incredible. But the fouls are stsrring to pile up. Hopefully Nova finds a way.
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It's really interesting. Purdue has two great offensive bigs but Painter can't play them together. They have this enormous advantage inside but it may be disrupting the flow of their offense by constantly pounding it into them. Wright for the most part isn't doubling their bigs. Man I hope Noca pulls this off.
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Terrible sequence by Gillespie. Free throws are hurting Nova.
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Omg!! Gillespie absolutely changed the momentum of the game in Purdue's favor. Horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Went from 9 to 1 because of inexcusable plays on both ends of the floor from an apparent All-American. Smh.
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8 straight makes for Purdue. Nova looks tired.
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8 straight makes for Purdue. Nova looks tired.
This game is reminiscent of what happened at Pauley.
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The announcers are correct. Jay needs a deeper bench.
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Ivey really taking over down the stretch. Best athlete on the floor and pro prospect.
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Purdue definitely has more weapons but Nova has missed 8 free throws and did not play well to close the game. You can blame it on fatigue or a short bench but they have had short benches before.
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I will say this: I think Purdue may have the best overall talent In the country. If they make threes you're not beating them imo.
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Purdue definitely has more weapons but Nova has missed 8 free throws and did not play well to close the game. You can blame it on fatigue or a short bench but they have had short benches before.
We should remember Nova is beset by injuries.
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We should remember Nova is beset by injuries.
They are? I didn't realize that.
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They are? I didn't realize that.
Cosby-Roundtree is out for the year and Antoine is hurt again
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Damn.....Ole Miss lost to Boise St.
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Tenn up big on UNC. Garcia does not look particularly happy.
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UNC’s last 4 games, they averaged giving up 88 points a game.
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Huggy may have gotten carried away with an array of dishes at the local eateries in Charleston. He can barely move on the sidelines. I think he's getting close to the 325 lb range.
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West Virginia beats Clemson. The Tigers blew big leads vs both WVU and SBU.
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Zona is rolling Michigan.
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Zona is rolling Michigan.
I just turned it on and haven’t seen them much, but that tubelis kid is supposed to be pretty good.
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I just turned it on and haven’t seen them much, but that tubelis kid is supposed to be pretty good.
I have just watched the last few mins. He's been very impressive. Their coach was at Gonzaga for 20 yrs. For about 10 yrs I've inquired if we had any interest in him.
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Purdue and maybe Illinois with Cockburn are clearly the favorites in the B14. Big step down after those two ball clubs.
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Buzz and Texas A &M playing the Badgers in the quarterfinals of the Maui Invitational in Las Vegas
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Buzz and Texas A &M playing the Badgers in the quarterfinals of the Maui Invitational in Las Vegas
Can they both lose?
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Can they both lose?
Floor condensation?
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BTW, Huggy’s rant on his team yesterday was a classic. Not sure how much ESPN showed. He called a time out five seconds away from a media timeout, and just went into a total verbal lambasting. The music was blaring in the arena so much so I couldn’t hear my friend next to me…but we could all hear Huggy. His vocabulary used words that even KO didn’t even know. He slammed and broke his clipboard so hard, broken pieces landed in the other team’s backcourt. Mind you, this was an extended time out.
Play resumed and after seconds the media time out kicked in. And off he went again. Then as a perfect dramatic actor would, used the last part to lay out the play and regroup his team. The main object of his rant was senior star Sean McNeil who I don’t think missed the rest of the night, but more importantly, started playing defense, which was the cause of the rant. Clemson never had a chance after that.
WVU fans miss the old BE. We mentioned that MU moving to a basketball only conference was a good move for us. They said, “hey, we are a basketball only school too”. Even though they beat Texas, the distance between schools has killed any football fan mojo for them. Maybe the conference adds help a bit but their fans love their hoops.
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BTW, Huggy’s rant on his team yesterday was a classic. Not sure how much ESPN showed. He called a time out five seconds away from a media timeout, and just went into a total verbal lambasting. The music was blaring in the arena so much so I couldn’t hear my friend next to me…but we could all hear Huggy. His vocabulary used words that even KO didn’t even know. He slammed and broke his clipboard so hard, broken pieces landed in the other team’s backcourt. Mind you, this was an extended time out.
Play resumed and after seconds the media time out kicked in. And off he went again. Then as a perfect dramatic actor would, used the last part to lay out the play and regroup his team. The main object of his rant was senior star Sean McNeil who I don’t think missed the rest of the night, but more importantly, started playing defense, which was the cause of the rant. Clemson never had a chance after that.
WVU fans miss the old BE. We mentioned that MU moving to a basketball only conference was a good move for us. They said, “hey, we are a basketball only school too”. Even though they beat Texas, the distance between schools has killed any football fan mojo for them. Maybe the conference adds help a bit but their fans love their hoops.
Now that the last MU-Cincy clashes are 15+ years behind us and my blood has long since stopped boiling, I can't help but love Huggins. He's a great coach, he's super amusing, and he's morphed into a pretty good dude by many accounts.
I also enjoy watching his WVU teams which seem to play different and with a different attitude than his Bearcat teams
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Now that the last MU-Cincy clashes are 15+ years behind us and my blood has long since stopped boiling, I can't help but love Huggins. He's a great coach, he's super amusing, and he's morphed into a pretty good dude by many accounts.
I also enjoy watching his WVU teams which seem to play different and with a different attitude than his Bearcat teams
he's still one of the dirtiest in the game. No admiration there.
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What in the world is up with Illinois??
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What in the world is up with Illinois??
They're doing us no favors.
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I guess we can scout KSU. Any predictions for the Gonzaga/UCLA game tomorrow?
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I guess we can scout KSU. Any predictions for the Gonzaga/UCLA game tomorrow?
I will be rooting for UCLA. Want them to be unbeaten when they face MU.
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What in the world is up with Illinois??
Curbello thinks he's Steph Curry.
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Curbello thinks he's Steph Curry.
That's never a good sign. Delusional?
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That's never a good sign. Delusional?
Unless you are actually Steph Curry.
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Unless you are actually Steph Curry.
I think he's the most skilled offensive player in history. He's not just "the best shooter". I was able to watch him twice in pre-game (by himself ) pretty close to floor. It's hard to really comprehend how ridiculous he is. He took about 15 shots where he put crazy arc on the ball, several of which were like 24 foot runners both hard right/hard left. I'm talking horse/dicking around shots. He splashed like 12/15. :)
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If Lafayette hangs on to beat Rutgers, cancel the Big 10 season.
I’m not joking either.
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If Lafayette hangs on to beat Rutgers, cancel the Big 10 season.
I’m not joking either.
Do you want to tell them or should I? :)
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Final: Lafayette 53, Rutgers 51
Rock bottom.
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Final: Lafayette 53, Rutgers 51
Rock bottom.
KenPom had Rutgers as a 96% win probability and favored by 20. That’s the worst loss of the season thus far
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KenPom had Rutgers as a 96% win probability and favored by 20. That’s the worst loss of the season thus far
LOL. Has the NET conf ratings come out yet?
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Mid major.
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To put how bad of a loss that was, Rutgers was booed off the court.
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Arkansas has athletes. Musselman seems to know what he's doing.
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I think he's the most skilled offensive player in history. He's not just "the best shooter". I was able to watch him twice in pre-game (by himself ) pretty close to floor. It's hard to really comprehend how ridiculous he is. He took about 15 shots where he put crazy arc on the ball, several of which were like 24 foot runners both hard right/hard left. I'm talking horse/dicking around shots. He splashed like 12/15. :)
I was at the Warriors/Blazers playoff game in 2016 when Curry came back from injury and dropped 17 in OT, 40 for the game. We all walked out of Moda amazed at what we’d just seen. The guy is a marvel.
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I’ve listened to Lowe’s podcast pretty consistently for years now and on multiple occasions this season he or his guest have brought up the idea that people have wonder whether Curry could perform at the highest level without KD. How have we forgotten that Steph was a back to back MVP, once unanimous, an NBA champion, and followed that with a 73 win regular season and what would’ve been a back to back title if not for a suspension to Draymond, all before KD became a Warrior? Silly stuff.
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I’ve listened to Lowe’s podcast pretty consistently for years now and on multiple occasions this season he or his guest have brought up the idea that people have wonder whether Curry could perform at the highest level without KD. How have we forgotten that Steph was a back to back MVP, once unanimous, an NBA champion, and followed that with a 73 win regular season and what would’ve been a back to back title if not for a suspension to Draymond, all before KD became a Warrior? Silly stuff.
I remember when I lived in Madison in 2008 listening to the beginning of the Davidson/UW S16 game on the radio. Mike Lucas said probably four times in the early moments: "Curry MAY be the best player on the floor but one guy can't beat a complete team." That didn't exactly come to pass for the weasel/rodents. :)
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Arkansas has athletes. Musselman seems to know what he's doing.
Musselman is a REALLY good coach who has won literally everywhere. CBA, USBL, G Leadue, NBA, and College. His NBA record is deceiving cause he was in 2 terrible situations but actually performed quite well all things considered, was runner up COY in GS.
He plays a really fun style of basketball down in Fayetteville and he's recruiting really well. They are tough
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Musselman is a REALLY good coach who has won literally everywhere. CBA, USBL, G Leadue, NBA, and College. His NBA record is deceiving cause he was in 2 terrible situations but actually performed quite well all things considered, was runner up COY in GS.
He plays a really fun style of basketball down in Fayetteville and he's recruiting really well. They are tough
His father was similar. He bent rules (and “bent” is generous), but he could coach. Bill actually got fired by the T-Wolves for winning too much. He coached exactly as they hired him to do … and they fired him for it.
Bill was a strange dude but a great coach. I don’t know Eric but I agree he’s been a superb coach.
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LOL. Has the NET conf ratings come out yet?
Not yet, but the Big East has the second best P6 conference record and the most wins vs other P6 leagues (10-5). Also tied for fewest buy game losses. Aside from Feast Week, the Big East/Big 12 Battle will be important. As it stands, we are probably in line for 5-6 bids but winning that could push it to 6-7. Not impossible to think of 8 teams if we have 2-3 that are really bad and a number logjammed in the 8-12 win range, but that's a really tall order.
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Not yet, but the Big East has the second best P6 conference record and the most wins vs other P6 leagues (10-5). Also tied for fewest buy game losses. Aside from Feast Week, the Big East/Big 12 Battle will be important. As it stands, we are probably in line for 5-6 bids but winning that could push it to 6-7. Not impossible to think of 8 teams if we have 2-3 that are really bad and a number logjammed in the 8-12 win range, but that's a really tall order.
Ty. Should we be concerned with Houston being overconfident against the weasel/rodents? How good is Houston Brew? I thought they lost they're three best players?
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As long as MU beats Wiscy, who cares how they do against Houston? If MU plays well, don't worry about the tournament. If MU plays like crap, don't worry about the tournament. Only worry about the tournament if MU plays 'meh' to 'pretty good.'
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I think he's the most skilled offensive player in history. He's not just "the best shooter". I was able to watch him twice in pre-game (by himself ) pretty close to floor. It's hard to really comprehend how ridiculous he is. He took about 15 shots where he put crazy arc on the ball, several of which were like 24 foot runners both hard right/hard left. I'm talking horse/dicking around shots. He splashed like 12/15. :)
He has a routine at home where the usher passes him the ball to shoot from spots along the tunnel path on the way to the locker room. Sick
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Curry bebopping and scatting all over the Badgers in the 2008 Sweet 16 will forever have a place in my heart
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Ty. Should we be concerned with Houston being overconfident against the weasel/rodents? How good is Houston Brew? I thought they lost they're three best players?
Not sure why it would concern us. It depends on what you're rooting for. Best for Marquette is a Wisconsin win because that strengthens our opponents. Best for the Big East is a Houston win because it weakens the Big 10 and their claim for bids. I have a hard time seeing the AAC being more than a 2-3 bid league, maybe 4 if things really break right, but I don't think they'll be stealing bids from us come Selection Sunday.
As far as how good Houston is, I just trust Kelvin Sampson. Marquette never would've made that hire, but he was clearly the best hire of the 2014 coaching carousel and would've been a better hire than Wojo, no question. He's had a top-20 kenpom team going on 5 years running now and has won 12+ in the AAC every year since his second season. Their backcourt with Sasser and Edwards is legit and he just keeps finding the right guys to win. As long as he's there, I think penciling them in to being an AAC contender and top-6 NCAA seed is a pretty safe bet, with protected seeds being the case more often than not simply because the league is good enough to get them a high seed but not challenging enough to give them many losses.
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Not sure why it would concern us. It depends on what you're rooting for. Best for Marquette is a Wisconsin win because that strengthens our opponents. Best for the Big East is a Houston win because it weakens the Big 10 and their claim for bids. I have a hard time seeing the AAC being more than a 2-3 bid league, maybe 4 if things really break right, but I don't think they'll be stealing bids from us come Selection Sunday.
As far as how good Houston is, I just trust Kelvin Sampson. Marquette never would've made that hire, but he was clearly the best hire of the 2014 coaching carousel and would've been a better hire than Wojo, no question. He's had a top-20 kenpom team going on 5 years running now and has won 12+ in the AAC every year since his second season. Their backcourt with Sasser and Edwards is legit and he just keeps finding the right guys to win. As long as he's there, I think penciling them in to being an AAC contender and top-6 NCAA seed is a pretty safe bet, with protected seeds being the case more often than not simply because the league is good enough to get them a high seed but not challenging enough to give them many losses.
It matters because I can't stand that program and root for them to lose every game by 30+ :).
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He has a routine at home where the usher passes him the ball to shoot from spots along the tunnel path on the way to the locker room. Sick
can he still do that at the new arena?
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It matters because I can't stand that program and root for them to lose every game by 30+ :).
I'm assuming you mean the rodents. If so, I think Houston handles them, but we'll see. Like I said, from a resume perspective, better for us if they win, better for the league if they lose. I kind of feel the same about Seton Hall. I know it technically is better for us when Bucky and the Hall win, but I'm more than happy to see them lose and lose and lose.
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I'm assuming you mean the rodents. If so, I think Houston handles them, but we'll see. Like I said, from a resume perspective, better for us if they win, better for the league if they lose. I kind of feel the same about Seton Hall. I know it technically is better for us when Bucky and the Hall win, but I'm more than happy to see them lose and lose and lose.
38-18 Bucky with less than two minutes go to in the first half. Davis is nearly outscoring Houston by himself.
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Son of a B.
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38-18 Bucky with less than two minutes go to in the first half. Davis is nearly outscoring Houston by himself.
Badgers outscored them by 20 in the first, got outscored by 18 in the second. Houston didn't look very composed late on a number of chances to take the lead. Definitely the best UWM has played so far.
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Is there anything dumber than the "BPI"? Apparently Gonzaga has a "55% chance" of winning tonight based on their expert formula. WTF is the purpose of this when there is a spread?
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My mistake. Which is more stupid: the "FPI or the BPI"?
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can he still do that at the new arena?
The tunnel is behind the basket on the side so he shoots it from behind and over the backboard.
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Gonzaga looks like they're gonna blow UCLA out. Juzang may have to go bananas.
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Suggs being the lead guard last year got a lot of people forgetting how good Nembhard is
He’s so tough when he gets downhill
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This is an absolute beat down. 10 pts in 12 mins for the Bruins.
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Marquette should have been a better program the last 20 yrs than both Villanova and Gonzaga imo.
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Looking forward to watching how Morsell deals with Davis.
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Timme basically a non factor and it’s still a 20 point game
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Looking forward to watching how Morsell deals with Davis.
Huh?
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Huh?
Weren't folks talking about Madison earlier? Johnny Davis is one of the very best players we'll face this season. Morsell is our defensive stud. So again ...
Looking forward to watching how Morsell deals with Davis.
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Weren't folks talking about Madison earlier? Johnny Davis is one of the very best players we'll face this season. Morsell is our defensive stud. So again ...
Looking forward to watching how Morsell deals with Davis.
Oh.....I thought you were talking about UCLA. Ya....he could be a problem.
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Really good game between Ark/Cincy.
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And as for UCLA ... I'm kinda glad this is a blowout because Dickie V made it borderline unwatchable for me.
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And as for UCLA ... I'm kinda glad this is a blowout because Dickie V made it borderline unwatchable for me.
I turned the sound off. I understand he's a legend, and is recovering from cancer, but he has no business doing this game. Of course I said this 15 yrs ago.
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Gonzaga is just simply better
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Top 5 in the WCC are 26-0. That's impressive.
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Holmgren is incredibly thin.
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I turned the sound off. I understand he's a legend, and is recovering from cancer, but he has no business doing this game. Of course I said this 15 yrs ago.
Literally came here to say this. Glad he's doing better, his foundation does good work, and I appreciate what he's done for the sport....but he has NO business being anywhere near a marquee game.
Timme's obviously an offensive beast, but he's gotten torched a good amount inside.
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Gonzaga is just simply better
They may "simply" be way better then the next tier of good teams. Purdue could conceivably cause them some probs.
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Northwestern just smoked Tom Crean.
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Northwestern just smoked Tom Crean.
Georgia record a humble 2-4………
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Georgia record a humble 2-4………
I'm not a Crean hater like many here, but it may be time for him to take a step back and slide into a TV role for awhile (which he is, and would be, very good at).
He's been awful at Georgia. He isn't even recruiting well. He's had only 1 top 50 recruit (which was Anthony Edwards) and since Edwards class, he has only brought in 1 top 100 guy and the '22 class will be no different.
He's made Mark Few look like Tubby Smith
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I'm not a Crean hater like many here, but it may be time for him to take a step back and slide into a TV role for awhile (which he is, and would be, very good at).
He's been awful at Georgia. He isn't even recruiting well. He's had only 1 top 50 recruit (which was Anthony Edwards) and since Edwards class, he has only brought in 1 top 100 guy and the '22 class will be no different.
He's made Mark Few look like Tubby Smith
Those top recruits can be great for a program, but can also be really bad when it doesn't work out. Romar with Fultz, Jones with Simmons, even Wojo with Ellenson to an extent. You set those expectations of the kind of program and recruiting you'll have going forward, and when it doesn't turn out like that, fans get restless.
As far as Gonzaga last night...good god were they dominant. Watching them against Texas and UCLA it feels like they want to prove that the Baylor loss was a fluke by destroying all contenders. I would be really interested to see them against Purdue. Right now it feels like a clear top-2 then a bunch of other teams trying to be the other Final Four teams. Maybe Kansas and Duke will be up there (Friday will tell a lot) but at this early stage, Gonzaga/Purdue has the feeling Gonzaga/Baylor did a year ago.
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I think Jaime Jacquez gets overlooked for the Bruins. He is a very solid player
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Those top recruits can be great for a program, but can also be really bad when it doesn't work out. Romar with Fultz, Jones with Simmons, even Wojo with Ellenson to an extent. You set those expectations of the kind of program and recruiting you'll have going forward, and when it doesn't turn out like that, fans get restless.
I don't disagree. I think they are largely a negative unless you have decent recruiting around them that allows a good team to gel. Otherwise you get those Washington/LSU/UGA teams that did nothing. Its not even expectations, its a shiny bauble on top of a rotten core.
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I think Jaime Jacquez gets overlooked for the Bruins. He is a very solid player
CBS Sports, ESPN, and Athlon had him as a third-team All-American, so I'm not sure how overlooked he could be. I do really like him as a player, at least when he's not playing us. Very good on both ends of the floor.
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Purdue is +200 to win the Big 10 regular season (in Illinois, can’t bet on the Illini). Michigan is +220, and so far with the eye test, I think Purdue is clearly the top dog in the conference.
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Any idea how good Loyola-Chi is supposed to be this season?
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Someone may break their leg slipping on that floor in the Bahamas.
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Purdue is +200 to win the Big 10 regular season (in Illinois, can’t bet on the Illini). Michigan is +220, and so far with the eye test, I think Purdue is clearly the top dog in the conference.
It looks that way now, but let's wait until they get into the grind of the B10 schedule. See what they do when they go on the road to a hostile arena. That hasn't happened yet.
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Any idea how good Loyola-Chi is supposed to be this season?
Contender in the MVC, but not as good as they were last year without Krutwig.
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Any idea how good Loyola-Chi is supposed to be this season?
About equal to Michigan State.
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Typically they gel around March
But Oregon is awful right now.
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Is Walker Kessler from Auburn an NBA player? He's looks 7'4
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Is Walker Kessler from Auburn an NBA player? He's looks 7'4
I mean, he’s a MCD AA who is averaging 4 and 5 for his career projecting towards a league that’s moving away from big traditional centers. I’m not super bullish on it. But then again Gonzaga wanted him when he transferred so he’s not a complete slouch, but it’s not like he’s a super raw 18 year old
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About equal to Michigan State.
That not only cracked me up, but it could be true. Which would delight fans of one team but not so much fans of the other.
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I really wish we had an internationsl scout like SMC. I'll do it for if I can hang out in New Zealand, Australia. and Fiji.
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Wisconsin fouls constantly. Bunch of nonsense that they aren't whistled every possession.
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Wisconsin fouls constantly. Bunch of nonsense that they aren't whistled every possession.
They’re consistently one of the dirtiest teams in the nation. It goes beyond Davison and always has
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Dirtiest, and whinyest. Can't stand watching those whiny bitches.
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Dirtiest, and whinyest. Can't stand watching those whiny bitches.
Speaking of whining....
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They’re consistently one of the dirtiest teams in the nation. It goes beyond Davison and always has
This "they don't foul" crap we've heard for like 20 yrs is quite frankly absurd. Last I checked (no pun intended) you can foul someone with your body and legs in basketball. It's a travesty imo and yes, what a bunch of whiny little babies.
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Speaking of whining....
Why attack here Jockey? BrewCity didn't do anything, you can sling your arrows my way. Although why you would placate the weasel/rodents is troubling.
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Words can't even describe how ludicrous some of these charge calls have been. Is this a basketbal game or a Broadway show?
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For years, I've heard how Madison's gonna start sucking, how Gard can neither recruit nor coach, etc etc etc. Hell, I've probably said a few of those things myself.
And yet, year after year, they do pretty damn well.
Davis is an outstanding all-around player, Wahl is very good, and their role players do their jobs. As usual. I sure want to beat them on the 4th.
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Why attack here Jockey? BrewCity didn't do anything, you can sling your arrows my way. Although why you would placate the weasel/rodents is troubling.
Because of the double standard.
That is, the Badgers are dirty. Last year when Theo committed some hard fouls, he was just "being aggressive.
I see it over and over again on this board that so & so is dirty or so & so coach has no class. I am tired of that. Most guys are just out there playing as hard as they can. Sometimes hard fouls are committed - that doesn't make them dirty. Of course, Davison is a different case. His hard fouls aren't always 'basketball moves'.
Finally, I don't think I ever take anything out on you or treat you disrespectfully in any way when it comes to sports. When it comes to politics, I plead guilty and throw myself on the mercy of the court.
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Seton Hall can’t possibly lose to Cal. Cal is a bottom ten power 6 team, they’re not close to good.
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For years, I've heard how Madison's gonna start sucking, how Gard can neither recruit nor coach, etc etc etc. Hell, I've probably said a few of those things myself.
And yet, year after year, they do pretty damn well.
Davis is a problem. He has A-A potential. We need to force him left off the bounce. . He can hit the step-back both left or right but is more comfortable with his strong hand.with more than one dribble. I would front Wahl a little bit in the post and let Kur erase his interior shots. He's crafty with good footwork.
Davis is an outstanding all-around player, Wahl is very good, and their role players do their jobs. As usual. I sure want to beat them on the 4th.
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For years, I've heard how Madison's gonna start sucking, how Gard can neither recruit nor coach, etc etc etc. Hell, I've probably said a few of those things myself.
And yet, year after year, they do pretty damn well.
Davis is an outstanding all-around player, Wahl is very good, and their role players do their jobs. As usual. I sure want to beat them on the 4th.
Hit 35% from 3 and I can't see us losing.
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Because of the double standard.
That is, the Badgers are dirty. Last year when Theo committed some hard fouls, he was just "being aggressive.
I see it over and over again on this board that so & so is dirty or so & so coach has no class. I am tired of that. Most guys are just out there playing as hard as they can. Sometimes hard fouls are committed - that doesn't make them dirty. Of course, Davison is a different case. His hard fouls aren't always 'basketball moves'.
Finally, I don't think I ever take anything out on you or treat you disrespectfully in any way when it comes to sports. When it comes to politics, I plead guilty and throw myself on the mercy of the court.
That's fair although I don't know what people have said about Theo in the past here. I agree he had a numbee of cheap plays.
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Hit 35% from 3 and I can't see us losing.
I hope we do, and I hope you're right if we do.
Oh, and Theo never grabbed anybody's nuts ... that we know of.
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For years, I've heard how Madison's gonna start sucking, how Gard can neither recruit nor coach, etc etc etc. Hell, I've probably said a few of those things myself.
And yet, year after year, they do pretty damn well.
Davis is an outstanding all-around player, Wahl is very good, and their role players do their jobs. As usual. I sure want to beat them on the 4th.
I agree with this analysis. They will be good. Again.
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Did MU recruit Davis?
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Did MU recruit Davis?
Yep. But he was offered real early and recruited hard by Bucky. Always was going to be uphill.
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Yep. But he was offered real early and recruited hard by Bucky. Always was going to be uphill.
And they offered his twin.
Weird. Could’ve sworn they were above offering a sibling to get a better sibling.
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And they offered his twin.
I think that was the key. I think they were the only high major that offered both. Him and Sam Dekker are the only two Wisconsin players in the past 10-15 years I would've really liked here.
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Iona beat #10 Alabama in Orlando.
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That Pitino guy. He can coach a little.
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That Pitino guy. He can coach a little.
Marquette should have hired him. He was my first choice
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Marquette should have hired him. He was my first choice
I would've loved Pitino, but what happened at Louisville was disqualifying for Marquette.
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I would've loved Pitino, but what happened at Louisville was disqualifying for Marquette.
Sad!
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I was talking with an Iona person a few weeks ago. Rick knows the Iona President through horse racing. He loves living on a US Open golf course and he has clauses in his contact that if he leaves Iona be has to personally pay the university large $ penalties. And also apparently at Rick's age he just doesn't want a major U BB job.
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It is a nice emeritus gig.
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I was talking with an Iona person a few weeks ago. Rick knows the Iona President through horse racing. He loves living on a US Open golf course and he has clauses in his contact that if he leaves Iona be has to personally pay the university large $ penalties. And also apparently at Rick's age he just doesn't want a major U BB job.
If your Iona person is right, this makes a world of sense.
He's got more money than all but about 0.1% of Americans, he's won NCAA titles. What does he have left to prove? I guess I could see him wanting to show he could win big in the NBA, but otherwise a gig like Iona sounds pretty sweet. He gets to go up against a good program like Alabama and a good coach like Oats, kick some butt, and have everybody talk about how great he is. And if the likes of Loyola and VCU and George Mason can make runs to the Final Four, why not Iona under one of the best coaches ever?
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Baylor might just win back to back titles.
Matthew Mayer taking advantage of Joey Hauser’s quicksand feet.
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Baylor might just win back to back titles.
Matthew Mayer taking advantage of Joey Hauser’s quicksand feet.
I haven’t watched much of the game, but I checked Hauser’s line and did a search on him and their fans are really flaming him hard. He’s very unpopular there it seems.
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Baylor might just win back to back titles.
Matthew Mayer taking advantage of Joey Hauser’s quicksand feet.
My gut feeling about Jay Bilas' proclamation that "Joey Hauser is going to have a big year" is that he's likely wrong. He may have some decent games vs the right match-ups but he is an enormous defensive liability. He's also not as good as his brother. Every coach when he is on the floor is looking to get a Joey switch and isolate him off the bounce. We're not taking about a guy with elite quickness.
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My gut feeling about Jay Bilas' proclamation that "Joey Hauser is going to have a big year" is that he's likely wrong. He may have some decent games vs the right match-ups but he is an enormous defensive liability. He's also not as good as his brother. Every coach when he is on the floor is looking to get a Joey switch and isolate him off the bounce. We're not taking about a guy with elite quickness.
Ur just deflicting/disstravtion from ur love off Wojo-Dukit slurp
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Bad body language from Michigan State. Not a lot of high fives or low fives, not gonna win that way.
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My gut feeling about Jay Bilas' proclamation that "Joey Hauser is going to have a big year" is that he's likely wrong. He may have some decent games vs the right match-ups but he is an enormous defensive liability. He's also not as good as his brother. Every coach when he is on the floor is looking to get a Joey switch and isolate him off the bounce. We're not taking about a guy with elite quickness.
I generally think Bilas is a good analyst, but he's wrong on these kinds of things quite often. For example, he was on the Harry Froling bandwagon big-time. And he said 100 times that Josh Gasser was gonna have a long NBA career. Among many other poor calls.
He listens to the coaches a lot. Izzo was trying to pump up Hauser before the season, even saying something like he might run the offense through Joey sometimes ... which was kind of comical. Bilas talks to Izzo, and ipso fatso he's talking about Joey having a big year.
If Joey's hitting 3s, he'll stay on the court even if his defense sucks because every team is desperate for shooters. But if he's not hitting 3s, Izzo can't play him because he's too much of a liability otherwise.
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He's got more money than all but about 0.1% of Americans, he's won NCAA titles. What does he have left to prove?
Dat he kan last longer dan 15 seconds, hey?
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That Kansas/Dayton finish, wow.
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Ball hit front of the rim, hit high of the glass and went in for a Dayton shocker!
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Ball hit front of the rim, hit high of the glass and went in for a Dayton shocker!
Great block, well defended, ugly shot high over the defender’ out stretched hand while fading away from the hoop…ball game. College basketball!
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Thank you Dayton.
Sincerely,
The entire world.
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If it didn't go in, there should have been a defensive goaltending call since a KU player hit the net while the ball was bouncing around on the rim. Ref probably would have swallowed his whistle.
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Happy for Dayton.
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The mighty UT-Rio Grande Vaqueros are up 2 vs Illinois with about 11 mins to go in the 2nd half. Smh.
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Will Gonzaga dispose of Duke?
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The mighty UT-Rio Grande Vaqueros are up 2 vs Illinois with about 11 mins to go in the 2nd half. Smh.
So much for that signature win. They’ll probably end up decent, but I was hoping that would end up a top 10 win come March.
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So much for that signature win. They’ll probably end up decent, but I was hoping that would end up a top 10 win come March.
Frazier and Cubelo aren't playing but still. RGV?
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Scumbag Pitino and Iona lose to Belmont. Get Kansas for third place tomorrow. Dayton v. Belmont for the Orlando title.
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I really, really, want to see Theo John absolutely bully Drew Timme.
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I really, really, want to see Theo John absolutely bully Drew Timme.
That could happen.
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According to Jay Bilas: Theo John came to Duke as an 'excellent offensive rebounder". I guess we learn something new every day.
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According to Jay Bilas: Theo John came into Duke as an 'excellent offensive rebounder". I guess we learn something new every day.
He was an excellent offensive rebounder. It was the defensive glass he wasn't great at
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According to Jay Bilas: Theo John came into Duke as an 'excellent offensive rebounder". I guess we learn something new every day.
Theo did get a great offensive rebound in among 3 Gonzaga players, which is why Bilas said that.
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If Duke doesn’t win this game, they sure as hell are gonna hang around better than Texas and UCLA did
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He was an excellent offensive rebounder. It was the defensive glass he wasn't great at
I guess I missed that. Refresh my memory.
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Theo did get a great offensive rebound in among 3 Gonzaga players, which is why Bilas said that.
When Muggsy blocked a shot did the announcers exclaim he was a great shot blocker?
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Is it me or are these cameras nowhere near the courr?
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I can’t remember for the life of me Kevin Durant in college surely even he wasn’t as skinny as Holmgren is.
He is going to bodied on the defensive end in the NBA.
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The Zags are getting torched in transition.
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When Muggsy blocked a shot did the announcers exclaim he was a great shot blocker?
FWIW, I'm guessing Theo had more offensive rebounds at Marquette than Muggsy had blocked shots at Wake.
Like you, I don't remember Theo being an especially good offensive rebounder while at our alma mater. Maybe the advanced stats folks can shed some light on it. As we discussed earlier, Bilas is often wrong.
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How about Iowa St.?
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FWIW, I'm guessing Theo had more offensive rebounds at Marquette than Muggsy had blocked shots at Wake.
Like you, I don't remember Theo being an especially good offensive rebounder while at our alma mater. Maybe the advanced stats folks can shed some light on it. As we discussed earlier, Bilas is often wrong.
1.5 a game carrer. I didn't realize that was "excellent". Muggs I believe blocked Patrick Ewng's shot once. :)
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Banchero is a special player.
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So far, from what I've seen this season, I would definitely draft Banchero ahead of Holmgren.
I really like Keels, too, but I'm not sure if he's considered a top-10 guy yet or not.
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Banchero is a special player.
For what they paid for him he should be.
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Also Timme once again getting exposed by athletic bigs.
Cmon guys, he ain’t gonna be a successful NBA player.
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Uhhhh.....Bachero is by far the best player om the floor.
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For what they paid for him he should be.
LOL
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Uhhhh.....Bachero is by far the best player om the floor.
Wait ... are you trying to say I didn't discover him? Jeesh!
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I guess I missed that. Refresh my memory.
He had an offensive rebounding rate of 7.3%. Top 450 in the country (out of thousands) and top 20 in conference (out of 120ish) in that stat. You can quibble about the adjective used but he was at very least a good offensive rebounder. It was the defensive end that he was below average in.
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Hard to believe this is only a 3pt game because Gonzaga looked atrocious in stretches.
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He had an offensive rebounding rate of 7.3%. Top 450 in the country (out of thousands) and top 20 in conference (out of 120ish) in that stat. You can quibble about the adjective used but he was at very least a good offensive rebounder. It was the defensive end that he was below average in.
I guess I will "quibble" about 1.5 offensive rebs a game being "excellent". Moses Malone he is not.
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Good thing for Memphis that Duke/Zags was on at the same time.
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Terrible foul call on that Timmie drive. Theo may decide to deck Timmie in the next 10 mins.
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Theo with some offense
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I don't know why but Timmie's expressions remind me of the deputy in Mississippi Burning.
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Duke might wanna find out why their star players keep cramping in big games
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Duke might wanna find out why their star players keep cramping in big games
Very strange. Nerves?
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Moronic foul by Timmie.
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Zags TOs are keeping Duke in this
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Zags TOs are keeping Duke in this
Gonzaga has been kicking the ball away like crazy. Moore has been really good as well.
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These refs suck
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These refs suck
Agreed. Way too many bad calls. Nembhard should probably burn the tape after this one.
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Keels body is NBA ready
His shot is not
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Timme dumb
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Timme dumb
17 turns and the kind of turns the Zags had was the story of the game. Timmie did s number of boneheaded things out there as well. :)
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What in the hell was that final possession
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What in the hell was that final possession
Not good. Nembhard quite frankly had an awful night.
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I guess I will "quibble" about 1.5 offensive rebs a game being "excellent". Moses Malone he is not.
O rebs per game is a pretty inaccurate stat, especially when looking at career numbers. That stat weights theos freshmen year more heavily than his junior or senior years because he played more games despite playing less than half the minutes. Oreb rate is much more accurate.
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Theo is a good cheerleader.
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O rebs per game is a pretty inaccurate stat, especially when looking at career numbers. That stat weights theos freshmen year more heavily than his junior or senior years because he played more games despite playing less than half the minutes. Oreb rate is much more accurate.
Then is every per game stat inaccurate because it's per game and not per minute?
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Then is every per game stat inaccurate because it's per game and not per minute?
Compared to advanced stats? Yes. And it's not per minute, it's per possession. 10 minutes playing in a Shaka vs. Huggy Bear track meet is going to result in a lot more possessions (meaning more opportunities for accumulation stats such as offensive rebounds) than 10 minutes playing in a Greg Gard vs. Tony Bennett slosh fest.
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St. Bonny down 6 at home to UNI with about 13 mins left in the 2nd half.
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St. Bonny down 6 at home to UNI with about 13 mins left in the 2nd half.
Bonnies lost 90-80.
Sigh, the teams we've played have really not done there part to help our computer efficiency numbers. Back down under 100 in T-Rank.
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St. Bonny down 6 at home to UNI with about 13 mins left in the 2nd half.
Hopefully UNI called a timeout once the game was in hand.
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UNI takes out St. Bonny. This is a team that was 1-3 and lost to Nichol's St. So, when I and a number of other scoopers said last week, that SBU wasn't a great team, perhaps we should have been taken seriously? Everyone has a dud game but we lost our composure to an average team. Hopefully we bounce back tonight and get it in gear for a very challenging Dec. Remember, St. Bonaventure is St. Bonaventure.
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Bonnies lost 90-80.
Sigh, the teams we've played have really not done there part to help our computer efficiency numbers. Back down under 100 in T-Rank.
Rocky: Remember, remember, we must take care of business in December. And we have the opportunity. But we cannot play like a dumpster fire and completely lose focus which absolutely happened against SBU. Now you know why I was so upset and warned the SBU fans of the actual potential of that team. They're good but nowhere near a threat in the NCAA tournament as I suspected .
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UNI takes out St. Bonny. This is a team that was 1-3 and lost to Nichol's St. So, when I and a number of other scoopers said last week, that SBU wasn't a great team, perhaps we should have been taken seriously? Everyone has a dud game but we lost our composure to an average team. Hopefully we bounce back tonight and get it in gear for a very challenging Dec. Remember, St. Bonaventure is St. Bonaventure.
It's also possible that teams don't play consistently, especially in the early part of the season, so one loss or win shouldn't be used to determine the quality of a team.
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SBU, ah well. Too bad for them. Worry about MU.
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SBU, ah well. Too bad for them. Worry about MU.
Agreed. The angst over what teams we played do here is crazy. We’ve done well so far. All that matters is us winning 14-15 more games.
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Rocky: Remember, remember, we must take care of business in December.
You're far more optimistic than me on this MU team. I just hope we don't get too embarrassed in Dec. As much as you may be down on the Bonnies, they're a far better team than MU. Sure teams have bad days (the bonnies just did), but you don't get the doors blown off by 30 to a "crap" team (as MU was until the bonnies took a timeout and put their bench in).
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Right. With MU's schedule, 19 is probably enough. If MU gets there, SBU-UNI won't matter. If MU doesn't get there, SBU-UNI won't matter.
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Clearly their fans had a letdown game after a big win. They were looking ahead to the Sweet 16.
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Monmouth won at Cincinnati
UMBC won at Pitt.
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Just checked the box score on that UNI/St. Bona game. UNI went 15/31 on threes. If we shot like that, we probably would have won too!
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Just checked the box score on that UNI/St. Bona game. UNI went 15/31 on threes. If we shot like that, we probably would have won too!
With all due respect, we lost focus. That can happen of course but I couldn't even calculate the self-inflicted errors. The bottom line is we must bounce back quickly because a storm of difficult challenges await.
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Monmouth won at Cincinnati
UMBC won at Pitt.
Nice
Very Nice!!
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With all due respect, we lost focus. That can happen of course but I couldn't even calculate the self-inflicted errors. The bottom line is we must bounce back quickly because a storm of difficult challenges await.
I never said we didn't so no sure what respect is due. Just acknowledging that UNI torched the nets today which probably helped their upset bid.
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Way too much stock put into what other teams we played do. Look around the league Kansas just lost Dayton. Memphis got waxed by ISU.
Go team by team and everyone is gonna have wins that “look worse” because the team they beat slipped somewhere else too.
If teams like Ole Miss, WVU, Illinois stock pile losses. Sure, it hurts our win. But it also gives us 3 teams we can beat out for a bid. Works both ways.
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Way too much stock put into what other teams we played do. Look around the league Kansas just lost Dayton. Memphis got waxed by ISU.
Go team by team and everyone is gonna have wins that “look worse” because the team they beat slipped somewhere else too.
If teams like Ole Miss, WVU, Illinois stock pile losses. Sure, it hurts our win. But it also gives us 3 teams we can beat out for a bid. Works both ways.
Yup, just take care of business
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UNI takes out St. Bonny. This is a team that was 1-3 and lost to Nichol's St. So, when I and a number of other scoopers said last week, that SBU wasn't a great team, perhaps we should have been taken seriously? Everyone has a dud game but we lost our composure to an average team. Hopefully we bounce back tonight and get it in gear for a very challenging Dec. Remember, St. Bonaventure is St. Bonaventure.
I don't know how good St. Bonaventure is in the big picture. They have some good pieces and they play well together. They were good enough to beat us by 800 points.
We had a "dud" game against them, and they had a "dud" game against UNI. It happens.
Elsewhere ...
I'm actually happy Duke beat Gonzaga. I got tired of the Can The Zags Go Unbeaten? storyline that we heard a bazillion times last season, and I'm glad we won't have to hear it again this season. I seriously doubt Duke goes unbeaten in the ACC, but the Zags certainly could run the WCC again.
Not that any of that really "matters," obviously. It's just basketball.
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Looks like Patrick Baldwin did not play but UWM dropped a game to Alcorn State (Alcorn states first win) and are now 1-5 on the season.
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Looks like Patrick Baldwin did not play but UWM dropped a game to Alcorn State (Alcorn states first win) and are now 1-5 on the season.
This will be Baldwin, Sr. last year. He makes Wojo look like a hall of famer.
No offense. Terrible shooters. Rebounding is awful. No heart.
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This will be Baldwin, Sr. last year. He makes Wojo look like a hall of famer.
No offense. Terrible shooters. Rebounding is awful. No heart.
And UWGB is in for an awful year as well.
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Looks like Patrick Baldwin did not play but UWM dropped a game to Alcorn State (Alcorn states first win) and are now 1-5 on the season.
I know in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter one iota where Patrick Baldwin ended up going.
But man, it’s gotta be such a bummer to play for a god awful team whose gonna lose a ton of games.
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Illinois with a nice takedown of ND.
And the Zags had to work to beat a school that 98% (at least) of America never heard of.
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Illinois with a nice takedown of ND.
And the Zags had to work to beat a school that 98% (at least) of America never heard of.
Muggsy's grandson plays for that team.
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Muggsy's grandson plays for that team.
Well, congrats. I didn't even know you had a grandson who plays college hoops.
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Well, congrats. I didn't even know you had a grandson who plays college hoops.
LOL. The real Muggsy's grandson.
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Muggsy's grandson plays for that team.
Different Bogues family. His grandson is a HS Jr but a decent prospect. The dude for Tarlton is 6’4, not very Muggsy ;D
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Different Bogues family. His grandson is a HS Jr but a decent prospect. The dude for Tarlton is 6’4, not very Muggsy ;D
We'll forgive Muggs for getting that one wrong. He has trouble seeing over the keyboard!
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Different Bogues family. His grandson is a HS Jr but a decent prospect. The dude for Tarlton is 6’4, not very Muggsy ;D
Oh....ty. WHOOPS!!!! How good is the real grandson?
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This will be Baldwin, Sr. last year. He makes Wojo look like a hall of famer.
No offense. Terrible shooters. Rebounding is awful. No heart.
Bought season tickets thinking they would easily be the best in the conference once Baldwin committed. Him plus a grad transfer who wanted easy minutes on a surefire NCAA team, right? I was dead wrong. My god are they bad both from a talent perspective and discipline. Went to the Eastern Kentucky game and they must have had 30 turnovers since they had no idea how to break a press. You have a 6'9" wing that can handle the ball/pass and you cant break a press at the college level?
Something is fishy over there. A senior got suspended and PBJ hasn't played since. Could easily see a situation where he quits mid season to focus on the draft and Sr. gets canned.
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IU-Syracuse.... Cuse came out in a 1-3-1 for the first 4 possessions. Back to a 2-3 now.
Going back and forth randomly.
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Bought season tickets thinking they would easily be the best in the conference once Baldwin committed. Him plus a grad transfer who wanted easy minutes on a surefire NCAA team, right? I was dead wrong. My god are they bad both from a talent perspective and discipline. Went to the Eastern Kentucky game and they must have had 30 turnovers since they had no idea how to break a press. You have a 6'9" wing that can handle the ball/pass and you cant break a press at the college level?
Something is fishy over there. A senior got suspended and PBJ hasn't played since. Could easily see a situation where he quits mid season to focus on the draft and Sr. gets canned.
PBJ hurt his ankle. Has missed the last 2.5 games. Should play on Thursday. Don't know how long Josh Thomas is suspended for.
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May be a 1-1-3 with the wings pulled up high.
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PBJ hurt his ankle. Has missed the last 2.5 games. Should play on Thursday. Don't know how long Josh Thomas is suspended for.
They should be a top 4 horizon team as long as they get everyone back. Decent shot at the NCAAT
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As I said well before the Nova game, Purdue is no joke. It's early but I think they're the favorites. I don't see another team with their overall inside/outside arsenal. We all hope the B14 streak in the tournament continues but Purdue is a significant threat and concern.
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Bought season tickets thinking they would easily be the best in the conference once Baldwin committed. Him plus a grad transfer who wanted easy minutes on a surefire NCAA team, right? I was dead wrong. My god are they bad both from a talent perspective and discipline. Went to the Eastern Kentucky game and they must have had 30 turnovers since they had no idea how to break a press. You have a 6'9" wing that can handle the ball/pass and you cant break a press at the college level?
Something is fishy over there. A senior got suspended and PBJ hasn't played since. Could easily see a situation where he quits mid season to focus on the draft and Sr. gets canned.
Big game on January 20 when Oakland and Jamal Cain comes to town to face PB jr
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Syracuse fouled up 3. OT.
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Big game on January 20 when Oakland and Jamal Cain comes to town to face PB jr
Oakland probably kills them. They are a solid club and UWM most definitely is not.
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Nm
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Ohip St. 7-18 from the FT line vs Duke.
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Wow. Wasn't Duke up big in the 2nd half? How bad is the ACC? 6th best league?
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Syracuse fouled up 3. OT.
Yep. Indiana player made the first FT, missed the second intentionally, another Indiana player got the rebound and was fouled, and then he hit the 2 FTs to send the game into OT.
It doesn't happen very often. Even though it did happen, I wouldn't call Boeheim's strategy "wrong," just as I wouldn't have said he was wrong if he had chosen not to foul up 3. Indiana went into the game shooting 37% from 3 and they shot 40% tonight, so fouling probably was the "right" strategy.
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It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't issue. If whatever you choose works, it was right. If it doesn't, you were wrong.
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It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't issue. If whatever you choose works, it was right. If it doesn't, you were wrong.
Of course. Like most coaching decisions in every sport.
Somehow, despite statistics that don't necessarily back it up (and don't necessarily tear it down either), "foul up 3" has become what many believe is a no-brainer strategy.
For most college coaches, I believe it's become one of those things where "If I do it and it doesn't work, I can at least say I was doing what the TV talking heads and armchair coaches said I was 'supposed to do.' But if I don't do it and they tie it with a 3, then I'll get ripped on social media."
FWIW, most NBA coaches do not foul up 3 even though their league is filled with deadly 3-point shooters.
I know it sometimes sounds like I'm advocating not fouling, but that's not the case. I'm advocating assessing each situation on its own merits. I can see why Boeheim did it: Indiana is a decent 3-point shooting team and they had hit 40% in that game. If I were playing against Marquette, especially when we're having one of our horrid nights from 3, I'd probably not foul. Another factor for me would be if the opponent is a good rebounding team that has been killing us on the boards all night.
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Another factor for me would be if the opponent is a good rebounding team that has been killing us on the boards all night.
Agree. We have given up several put backs of missed FTs already this year. If I’m Shaka, I never foul up 3.
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Agree. We have given up several put backs of missed FTs already this year. If I’m Shaka, I never foul up 3.
Good point. Hopefully we'll improve in that department so Shaka has all the options available at his disposal. Right now, Oso is only guy on the team who consistently finds a man and boxes him out.
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Halftime
Washington State 18 Arizona State 10. :o
ASU 4-24 shooting. 0-6 from the foul line.
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Halftime
Washington State 18 Arizona State 10. :o
ASU 4-24 shooting. 0-6 from the foul line.
Wow!! Hurley's days may be numbered. What the list of successful Duke tree coaches?
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ASU ends up scoring 29 points at home.
For the game.
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Houston is still +210 to win the AAC, which is unbelievable at this point.
I have zero faith in Penny putting it together with that Memphis team.
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ASU ends up scoring 29 points at home.
For the game.
Hope you had the under.
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They could use a proven scorer like Joey.
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UVU is about to beat BYU.
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UVU is about to beat BYU.
Rushed the court for beating number 12 lol
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Rushed the court for beating number 12 lol
LOL.
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Rushed the court for beating number 12 lol
They’ve only been a D1 program for about 15 years. Were a JUCO before that. Never made an NCAA, and they just beat the preeminent school in the state, who was nearly top 10, who is coached by their old head coach. I think it’s totally merited
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They’ve only been a D1 program for about 15 years. Were a JUCO before that. Never made an NCAA, and they just beat the preeminent school in the state, who was nearly top 10, who is coached by their old head coach. I think it’s totally merited
Agreed. Let the kids have fun.
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They could use a proven scorer like Joey.
He might be available.
Tomorrow.
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He might be available.
Tomorrow.
I feel bad for him. Do they sell quill pens on Amazon?
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UVU is about to beat BYU.
It is a university in the state of Utah, so does UVU have a legendary BB coach also?
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It is a university in the state of Utah, so does UVU have a legendary BB coach also?
I don't if this qualifies for legendary but he does have two NBA championship rings
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It's Utah Valley beating BYU. They should rush the floor!
https://www.deseret.com/2021/12/1/22808058/how-uvu-wolverines-shocked-no-12-byu-cougars-college-mens-basketball-ncaa
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I don't if this qualifies for legendary but he does have two NBA championship rings
Stu Morril would be proud!
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I don't if this qualifies for legendary but he does have two NBA championship rings
His dancing is legendary.
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Turgeon out.
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Turgeon out.
Needed to happen but the timing is REALLY strange.
Watch Danny Manning have a decent year with the Terps as interim and trick someone else into giving him a good HC gig.
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Wojo to Maryland!
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Needed to happen but the timing is REALLY strange.
Watch Danny Manning have a decent year with the Terps as interim and trick someone else into giving him a good HC gig.
Why do you think it needed to happen? He's been pretty damn successful there. NCAA success lacking admittedly but he's shown to get them there constantly.
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Why do you think it needed to happen? He's been pretty damn successful there. NCAA success lacking admittedly but he's shown to get them there constantly.
Fans completely turned on him. He's being booed at home games and fans are chanting that they want him fired. I wouldn't doubt that he had enough at this point.
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Why do you think it needed to happen? He's been pretty damn successful there. NCAA success lacking admittedly but he's shown to get them there constantly.
Maryland needs to admit their mistake and move back to the ACC.
Of course, that’s a non-starter because of the money. Their fate was sealed the minute they made their deal with the devil. It has no natural rival in the Big 14 and has no cache nationally. You know when it did? When it was a foil to the blue bloods on Tobacco Road. Maryland-Duke, Maryland-UNC was must see TV. Now? Maryland-Sparty? Maryland-Purdue? Who cares?
Apathy is a dangerous thing for a college basketball program as the Marquette administration found out. Stuck in a league where no one wants you isn’t much better. Maryland better hire itself someone along the lines of Nate Oats to energize that program. Will they? We’ll see
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Why do you think it needed to happen? He's been pretty damn successful there. NCAA success lacking admittedly but he's shown to get them there constantly.
He was decent but not great. No real NCAA success. Only 1 finish over 5th in the B10 over the last 4 seasons and it wasn't looking like it was happening this year. Recruiting has been ehh too since that 2018 class.
He wasn't awful but he was just decent. Which isn't good enough for a historically very good program in a super rich recruiting area. The fans turning on him didn't help either.
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Maryland needs to admit their mistake and move back to the ACC.
Of course, that’s a non-starter because of the money. Their fate was sealed the minute they made their deal with the devil. It has no natural rival in the Big 14 and has no cache nationally. You know when it did? When it was a foil to the blue bloods on Tobacco Road. Maryland-Duke, Maryland-UNC was must see TV. Now? Maryland-Sparty? Maryland-Purdue? Who cares?
Apathy is a dangerous thing for a college basketball program as the Marquette administration found out. Stuck in a league where no one wants you isn’t much better. Maryland better hire itself someone along the lines of Nate Oats to energize that program. Will they? We’ll see
While I think you are essentially right that Maryland is an outlier in the B10, I think you are exaggerating it a bit. In 2020 they were a B10 regular season champion and a top 10-15 team most of the year. And outside of the back to back Final Fours under Gary Williams, they have been a very good, but not great program. Sweet 16s were their usual ceiling.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Turgeon was not fired. This was far more his decision to part ways now, source told @Stadium.
Mark Titus @clubtrillion
Going to go ahead and guess that the source is Turgeon/Turgeon's agent
Btw hilarious attempt at narrative control to say "He wasn't fired for being a bad coach! What actually happened was that he just chose to quit on his team 8 games into the season"
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While I think you are essentially right that Maryland is an outlier in the B10, I think you are exaggerating it a bit. In 2020 they were a B10 regular season champion and a top 10-15 team most of the year. And outside of the back to back Final Fours under Gary Williams, they have been a very good, but not great program. Sweet 16s were their usual ceiling.
I’m not saying they’re a “blue blood” but I don’t think Maryland basketball is anything other than just another basketball progr at the moment because of the league they reside in currently. They became something other than that in the ACC and I don’t see that happening in the Big 14. The fanbase thinks they’re something they’re not and expectations are out of whack. Winning a share of a Big Ten regular season title isn’t what they think their ceiling is and I think it is as long as they’re in that league. The ACC elevated them. The Big 14 fattened the pocketbook
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Interesting note on Turgeon
https://twitter.com/allifkarim/status/1466859121408421890?s=21
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Interesting note on Turgeon
https://twitter.com/allifkarim/status/1466859121408421890?s=21
We made the right call on that one.
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Has Fran McCaffery ever smiled? I dunno why but the guy amuses me.
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Really impressive comeback for Iowa. I'm not sure they'll pull it out but to be down 19 and be within 2, without their best player, is a great effort.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanHoops
Turgeon was not fired. This was far more his decision to part ways now, source told @Stadium.
Mark Titus @clubtrillion
Going to go ahead and guess that the source is Turgeon/Turgeon's agent
Btw hilarious attempt at narrative control to say "He wasn't fired for being a bad coach! What actually happened was that he just chose to quit on his team 8 games into the season"
Who does he think he is, Bo Ryan?
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Ole Miss beat Memphis.
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Ole Miss beat Memphis.
Memphis isn’t good. I don’t trust Penny to figure it out either.
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Alabama leading Gonzaga in Seattle on ESPN2.
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Wow. How in the world did Iona beat Bama? They have athletes all over the place. Shackleford is on fire.
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Wow. How in the world did Iona beat Bama? They have athletes all over the place. Shackleford is on fire.
Rick Pitino. 8-)
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Rick Pitino. 8-)
Well clearly Oats and Musselman are getting athletes. We need to find a way to get more speed, quickness, strength, etc, and a few knock down shooters.
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Bama is gagging this game away
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Pretty good day for Tuscaloosa.
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Gonzaga should not be a one seed. But they’ll roll through the conference season and rack up wins so they will be. They’re nowhere close to what they were last year.
I also wouldn’t want my team touching Chet Holmgren if I had a top 3 pick. People try to compare him to Kevin Durant. Durant was so much more polished. He could’ve averaged 15 a game in the NBA as a high school senior. Chet needs about 3 years of weight room work.
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Pretty good day for Tuscaloosa.
99% of their population and student body don’t even know their basketball team played today.
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Gonzaga should not be a one seed. But they’ll roll through the conference season and rack up wins so they will be. They’re nowhere close to what they were last year.
I also wouldn’t want my team touching Chet Holmgren if I had a top 3 pick. People try to compare him to Kevin Durant. Durant was so much more polished. He could’ve averaged 15 a game in the NBA as a high school senior. Chet needs about 3 years of weight room work.
Chet looks like he's a hard gust of wind away from breaking something.
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I haven't seen all of the NBA lottery prospects but if some are comparing Holmgren to Durant they have severe problems. The three best college players I have watched are Banchero, Ivey, and Keegan Murray.
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Pretty good day for Tuscaloosa.
Not a good day also to be a Bulldog.
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I haven't seen all of the NBA lottery prospects but if some are comparing Holmgren to Durant they have severe problems. The three best college players I have watched are Banchero, Ivey, and Keegan Murray.
Banchero is so complete. He’s a ready made product.
I think the difference between Durant and Holmgren is Durant always looked fluid and proportional. Holmgren’s body just looks kind of awkward and a bit disproportioned. He’s still super young and may grow into it, but Durant never gave that vibe, even at Texas.
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Banchero is so complete. He’s a ready made product.
I think the difference between Durant and Holmgren is Durant always looked fluid and proportional. Holmgren’s body just looks kind of awkward and a bit disproportioned. He’s still super young and may grow into it, but Durant never gave that vibe, even at Texas.
JWags I'm often wrong about projecting college players, but I will say that I watched Durant for about 10 mins at Texas and said he would be an immediate all-star and superstar. You just don't see guys that large with his array of talents. He was s complete offensive player with ridiculous handles, range, quickness, and pure shooting ability. His scoring has been effortless probably since he was in jr. high. Holmgren may eventually turn out to be a great NBA player but I think he's at least 2 yrs away.
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Illinois up 13 on Iowa in Iowa City.
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Texas Southern became the first Southwestern Athletic Conference team to beat a ranked SEC program (Florida) in the Associated Press poll era dating to 1936,
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0-7 Texas Southern goes into Gainsville and beats #20 Florida by 15. College basketball...
Purdue is ranked #1 for the first time in program history. Good for the Boilers! West Lafayette is easily one of the worst college locations I've ever been to. That Painter (and Keady) can recruit such high level talent there is amazing.
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Texas Southern became the first Southwestern Athletic Conference team to beat a ranked SEC program (Florida) in the Associated Press poll era dating to 1936,
Wow! Sweet!!
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Well clearly Oats and Musselman are getting athletes. We need to find a way to get more speed, quickness, strength, etc, and a few knock down shooters.
Offensively, what we're doing largely mirrors Alabama. High tempo, shots at the rim or the arc, the main difference is our results are ahead of where Oats was at this point of year one.
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the main difference is our results are ahead of where Oats was at this point of year one.
Please show your math.
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Please show your math.
At the end of December 6, 2020 (Oats first year in Alabama), the Crimson Tide was 4-4 with wins against #191 FAU (Home), #81 Furman (Home), #279 Southern Miss (Neutral), and #100 Stephen F Austin (Home) and losses against #141 Penn (Home), #65 Rhode Island (Away), #84 North Carolina (Neutral), and #89 Iowa State (Neutral). Bama was also ranked somewhere between 82nd and 85th after being ranked preseason as 70th (all ranks KenPom).
Bama also played at a breakneck tempo (#4 in adjusted tempo) though their defensive style was much different than Shaka's (in a bad way). Their offense was also better than Shaka's but Brew is correct that they were similarly focused on that side of the ball.
This of course doesn't mean that Shaka is going to surpass Oats at Bama but does reinforce that this is a process. And the vast majority of coaches don't get it done in year 1.
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0-7 Texas Southern goes into Gainsville and beats #20 Florida by 15. College basketball...
Purdue is ranked #1 for the first time in program history. Good for the Boilers! West Lafayette is easily one of the worst college locations I've ever been to. That Painter (and Keady) can recruit such high level talent there is amazing.
Stayed in Cary Men’s Hall for 6 days in late August one summer (1965) during the Colt League regionals. Dorm was awful, so was the campus - though I assume things are much better now.
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Please show your math.
TAMU basically covered it. I would add that Oats was 4-5 through 9 games at Alabama and that how I think Smith wants to teach offense is similar in that it's more teaching how to play and the kind of shots to work for rather than a bunch of set plays.
Because of that, and because this type of defense is as much about teaching constant effort and activity, I think it makes getting results with such a young group really difficult. This isn't a system design where you'll just throw the most talented guy out there and say "get it done" because it's not common for guys to pick up those disciplines in high school.
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TAMU basically covered it. I would add that Oats was 4-5 through 9 games at Alabama and that how I think Smith wants to teach offense is similar in that it's more teaching how to play and the kind of shots to work for rather than a bunch of set plays.
Because of that, and because this type of defense is as much about teaching constant effort and activity, I think it makes getting results with such a young group really difficult. This isn't a system design where you'll just throw the most talented guy out there and say "get it done" because it's not common for guys to pick up those disciplines in high school.
Looking forward to our Quinerly on the graduate transfer market as I don’t see that talent sitting out on our bench currently for Year 2 or from signed recruits. Do agree about the need for a longer term view, though, and that .500 is a reasonable upward expectation for this team as I have said in the past.
That said, this offense isn’t clicking at all yet and is worthy of our Scoop microscopes. A few good halves in Charleston to give us a glimpse of hope. No half court game in evidence which will be needed in the round robin, especially with this current tempo and shoot first mentality. There is no denying that. Haslam has MU’s offense at #152 on this year’s possession numbers. Ugh. Much more sawtoothed than I expected this early, with our defense winning us a few games.
December will be as brutal as it started and is Pomeroy expected. I am hoping we steal a few of these games. However, the real judge for next season is the progression of this offense in January and February, in particular the cohesiveness. It may be more of a qualitative judgment, but it will be ugly at times as we get there as it was for Oats. I see Shaka trying to get us there sooner rather than later with the freshmen minutes, so that’s a plus so far.
It will be a slow burn year, though. Some eye test Scoopers are very optimistic: Elite 8, magical shooting touches to be found, top three in conference. I appreciate the fandom, but the Bama path is much more likely as is our tortured artist critiques of this offense. Great comp for us to track with going forward.
https://haslametrics.com/ratings2.php?yr=&tid=561
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TAMU basically covered it. I would add that Oats was 4-5 through 9 games at Alabama and that how I think Smith wants to teach offense is similar in that it's more teaching how to play and the kind of shots to work for rather than a bunch of set plays.
I agree it's a good comp, but surprised both you and TAMU are going with Ws and Ls rather than tempo free stats at this point. MU eking out wins against SIUe and UNH weren't much better stat-wise than losses. The offensive and Defensive #s at this point in the year are not as good as they were for Bama back in '20, compared to the 350ish of our peers.
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Stayed in Cary Men’s Hall for 6 days in late August one summer (1965) during the Colt League regionals. Dorm was awful, so was the campus - though I assume things are much better now.
I remember the campus being nice but good God, West Lafayette was awful. We thought we were lost in the middle of soybean fields and then we saw Ross-Ade. Some buddies and I asked a student where we could grab a beer before the football game and she said "there's a Burger King nearby." At least Columbia, MO had a good bar scene.
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I remember the campus being nice but good God, West Lafayette was awful. We thought we were lost in the middle of soybean fields and then we saw Ross-Ade. Some buddies and I asked a student where we could grab a beer before the football game and she said "there's a Burger King nearby." At least Columbia, MO had a good bar scene.
Yea it still stinks. I knew a bunch of Purdue alums in my early 20s and went down for OSU-Purdue one year and was shocked how unappealing it was. The campus is alright, its not heinous, but its nothing remotely impressive or memorable. And West Lafayette is brutal. Which is funny cause Lafayette/West Lafayette in that Wabash River valley are the lone non-bleak spot between Indianapolis and Chicago.
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I agree it's a good comp, but surprised both you and TAMU are going with Ws and Ls rather than tempo free stats at this point. MU eking out wins against SIUe and UNH weren't much better stat-wise than losses. The offensive and Defensive #s at this point in the year are not as good as they were for Bama back in '20, compared to the 350ish of our peers.
I didn't go with tempo-free stats. I mentioned that our KenPom ranking is currently higher than what Bama's was at the same time despite Bama being ranked higher pre-season than we were. And our defensive numbers are better than Bama's was, their offensive numbers were better.
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I mentioned that our KenPom ranking is currently higher than what Bama's was at the same time despite Bama being ranked higher pre-season than we were. And our defensive numbers are better than Bama's was, their offensive numbers were better.
Fair enough, and generally agreed, except Torvic had '20 Bama at 69 after 9, and has MU as 98 after 9, so flipped.
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I'll only be worried/upset if second-year Marquette Shaka has anywhere near the record that second-year Texas Shaka had!
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Arkansas is so damn fun to watch
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James Madison just punked Virginia.
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James Madison just punked Virginia.
UVA scored 14 in the first half against a mid major. They punked themselves.
He's a fantastic coach but I'm baffled how Tony Bennett gets any top tier talent that wants to play that system.
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James Madison just punked Virginia.
I saw the end of the game on CBSSN. New building at JMU. Can't play for the auto-bid per CAA rules since they are leaving the league. Shame, since they might be good.
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UVA scored 14 in the first half against a mid major. They punked themselves.
He's a fantastic coach but I'm baffled how Tony Bennett gets any top tier talent that wants to play that system.
The Athletic had an article about that and whether Tony can keep up. It's going to be very difficult for him to keep up with the top of the ACC, IMO.
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The Athletic had an article about that and whether Tony can keep up. It's going to be very difficult for him to keep up with the top of the ACC, IMO.
He’ll be fine.
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He’ll be fine.
Define “fine”. Will they be a consistent winning team in the top half of the ACC? Probably.
Will they be a perennial top 10 team competing with Duke/UNC/etc? That I’m not sure on. He’ll need more lottery picks
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Define “fine”. Will they be a consistent winning team in the top half of the ACC? Probably.
Will they be a perennial top 10 team competing with Duke/UNC/etc? That I’m not sure on. He’ll need more lottery picks
He will regularly, but not always, have a top 10 team and compete for ACC titles. He's only 52 and will be a lifer at UVa if he wants to be. His system isn't dependent on lottery picks.
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Define “fine”. Will they be a consistent winning team in the top half of the ACC? Probably.
Will they be a perennial top 10 team competing with Duke/UNC/etc? That I’m not sure on. He’ll need more lottery picks
From what I can remember, he's had 2 lottery picks in his career. One was while he was at Washington State.
He's won 4 of the last 7 ACC titles. Bennett didn't somehow lose his ability to coach.
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Before the game, Bennett reportedly said that when he was a player at UW-Green Bay that Marquette and Wisconsin wouldn’t come play them and he thinks it’s important to travel to teams in your state.
What a crock. He never played an in-state non-con road game when he was at Washington State aside from Gonzaga. He hadn't played a non-con road game in-state since 2017 and had only played 4 such games prior, two against VCU which is basically a home-and-home situation. So essentially, he's setting himself up as a paragon of road game virtue because he played at George Mason in 2012 and at James Madison in 2014?
To top that off, he said that he learned this practice from his Dad, who scheduled these types of games when he was at Wisconsin. Uhh...he did? Dick Bennett played at Milwaukee once when he was UW-M's coach (after 4 years at the helm) and NEVER coached UW-M at the school he came from, Green Bay, because he left the program 3 games into the 2000-01 season before they played UWGB.
I've always liked Bennett, but to act like you're some hero of the low-major because of 3 road games you've played in a 16-year career is beyond laughable.
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He will regularly, but not always, have a top 10 team and compete for ACC titles. He's only 52 and will be a lifer at UVa if he wants to be. His system isn't dependent on lottery picks.
They haven't been a top 10 team since they won the title.
From what I can remember, he's had 2 lottery picks in his career. One was while he was at Washington State.
He's won 4 of the last 7 ACC titles. Bennett didn't somehow lose his ability to coach.
I misspoke with lottery picks, I mistakenly thought Ty Jerome was picked around 15. But every one of his good teams has had multiple NBA draft picks. Harris, Brogdon, and Justin Anderson. Then Hunter, Guy, Diakite, and Jerome. And none of those guys were diamonds in the rough, except for maybe Hunter.
He's a fantastic coach, but without some exceptional players his teams struggle to score. I disagree that his system doesn't need NBA talent to succeed. It may not need one and done's but it needs significant talent otherwise its just a slog
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All systems look better with NBA talent.
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Possible RAC Attack in progress
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Can Rutgers hold on?
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh my! Half court to beat #1.
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What a shot!
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Of course Rutgers wins.
I still have some nightmarish memories of games at the RAC.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/1469130356339077123
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What a shot!
Incredible!
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A worthy floor storming.
Every conference road game is tough.
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Iowa St. Is pummelling Iowa.
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A worthy floor storming.
Every conference road game is tough.
That might be the most worthy court storming ever
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Iowa St. Is pummelling Iowa.
Before he went to UNLV, I like TJO as a candidate to replace Wojo.
Then he went to UNLV and really underperformed and he wasn't on my radar when Wojo got canned.
There must be something about Ames!
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Before he went to UNLV, I like TJO as a candidate to replace Wojo.
Then he went to UNLV and really underperformed and he wasn't on my radar when Wojo got canned.
There must be something about Ames!
I know it's early but did anyone have Iowa St. doing anything this season? That Racine Frosh is impressive.
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Having just watched the replay of the Rutgers win that is one of the greatest buzzer beaters of all-time. Even if it wasn't in the tournament.
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Having just watched the replay of the Rutgers win that is one of the greatest buzzer beaters of all-time. Even if it wasn't in the tournament.
Ron Harper's son. Probably traveled before the shot, but that's OK, it was amazing. Loved the celebration, too.
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Ron Harper's son. Probably traveled before the shot, but that's OK, it was amazing. Loved the celebration, too.
Clock started late, too
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Home cooking.
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Clock started late, too
I watch the replay again on the FOX Sports App, it did not.
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Harper caught the ball with 3.4 seconds left. The clock went to 3.3 as his first dribble hit the ground. If there was a delay, it was miniscule.
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No delay, no travel.
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Harper caught the ball with 3.4 seconds left. The clock went to 3.3 as his first dribble hit the ground. If there was a delay, it was miniscule.
Yep, the scorekeeper has to hit the start button not until Harper touches the ball.
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Ron Harper's son. Probably traveled before the shot, but that's OK, it was amazing. Loved the celebration, too.
He didn't travel.
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He might not have traveled. I only saw it once, and my second thought was, "That kinda looked like he traveled." Can you do a Euro step 50 feet away from the hoop? Maybe. If so, he didn't travel.
My first thought was, "Wow! Amazing!"
I didn't notice any clock issue.
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I didn't notice any clock issue.
A lot of people were complaining about the clock starting late. The clock started a fraction of a second late, but it was negligible and in line with when the clock starts on the thousands of other inbounds plays during the college season.
As long as a human is still responsible for starting the clock, there will always be some small delay. Throw in the fact that guys like Chris Paul will fake like they are grabbing the ball and then complain that the clock starts.
It was a great shot and great moment in college basketball this season.
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He might not have traveled. I only saw it once, and my second thought was, "That kinda looked like he traveled." Can you do a Euro step 50 feet away from the hoop? Maybe. If so, he didn't travel.
My first thought was, "Wow! Amazing!"
I didn't notice any clock issue.
Watching the video, I don't see a travel. Just weird seeing that move 50 feet from the basket.
But talk about an emotional roller coaster. The Purdue guy had to be thinking he just made a game winner...then bang...lost.
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Watching the video, I don't see a travel. Just weird seeing that move 50 feet from the basket.
But talk about an emotional roller coaster. The Purdue guy had to be thinking he just made a game winner...then bang...lost.
Purdue choked and one wonders if Matt Painter will ever win a close game
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and one wonders if Matt Painter will ever win a close game
Quite the hyperbole. How can you forget the game against the Fighting Izzo's last year:
:19 Aaron Henry made Free Throw. 50 - 54
0:19 Aaron Henry missed Free Throw. 50 - 54
0:19 Trevion Williams Defensive Rebound. 50 - 54
0:11 Foul on Rocket Watts. 50 - 54
0:11 Eric Hunter Jr. made Free Throw. 51 - 54
0:11 Eric Hunter Jr. made Free Throw. 52 - 54
0:11 Rocket Watts Turnover. 52 - 54
0:11 Eric Hunter Jr. Steal. 52 - 54
0:09 Foul on Aaron Henry. 52 - 54
0:09 Trevion Williams made Free Throw. 53 - 54
0:09 Michigan State Timeout 53 - 54
0:09 Trevion Williams missed Free Throw. 53 - 54
0:09 Mason Gillis Offensive Rebound. 53 - 54
0:06 Jump Ball won by Purdue 53 - 54
0:06 Purdue Timeout 53 - 54
0:04 Trevion Williams made Jumper. Assisted by Eric Hunter Jr.. 55 - 54
0:02 Aaron Henry missed Jumper. 55 - 54
0:02 Purdue Defensive Rebound. 55 - 54
0:00 End of Game 55 - 54
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Quite the hyperbole. How can you forget the game against the Fighting Izzo's last year:
:19 Aaron Henry made Free Throw. 50 - 54
0:19 Aaron Henry missed Free Throw. 50 - 54
0:19 Trevion Williams Defensive Rebound. 50 - 54
0:11 Foul on Rocket Watts. 50 - 54
0:11 Eric Hunter Jr. made Free Throw. 51 - 54
0:11 Eric Hunter Jr. made Free Throw. 52 - 54
0:11 Rocket Watts Turnover. 52 - 54
0:11 Eric Hunter Jr. Steal. 52 - 54
0:09 Foul on Aaron Henry. 52 - 54
0:09 Trevion Williams made Free Throw. 53 - 54
0:09 Michigan State Timeout 53 - 54
0:09 Trevion Williams missed Free Throw. 53 - 54
0:09 Mason Gillis Offensive Rebound. 53 - 54
0:06 Jump Ball won by Purdue 53 - 54
0:06 Purdue Timeout 53 - 54
0:04 Trevion Williams made Jumper. Assisted by Eric Hunter Jr.. 55 - 54
0:02 Aaron Henry missed Jumper. 55 - 54
0:02 Purdue Defensive Rebound. 55 - 54
0:00 End of Game 55 - 54
That doesn’t count. The Spartans had Joey Hauser
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That doesn’t count. The Spartans had Joey Hauser
;D
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Duke got its 4th 5* today to commit to play for Jon Scheyer next year. They have 4 of the top 11 prospects in next year’s class and 5 of the top 55
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Duke got its 4th 5* today to commit to play for Jon Scheyer next year. They have 4 of the top 11 prospects in next year’s class and 5 of the top 55
Obviously, we still don't know what kind of game coach Scheyer will be.
Obviously, those who thought that recruiting would suffer because kids would want to play only for K and not for Duke were wrong.
If Scheyer can coach, he will have walked into the greatest situation in the history of first-year coaches. If he can't coach, the job will chew him up and spit him out. We'll get to see soon enough.
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Obviously, we still don't know what kind of game coach Scheyer will be.
Obviously, those who thought that recruiting would suffer because kids would want to play only for K and not for Duke were wrong.
If Scheyer can coach, he will have walked into the greatest situation in the history of first-year coaches. If he can't coach, the job will chew him up and spit him out. We'll get to see soon enough.
Starting with that much talent helps, however, Penny has had plenty of talent at Memphis.
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Duke got its 4th 5* today to commit to play for Jon Scheyer next year. They have 4 of the top 11 prospects in next year’s class and 5 of the top 55
I would really like to know how much the Duke kids are getting from NIL's, versus getting paid to play for G league Ignite.
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I would really like to know how much the Duke kids are getting from NIL's, versus getting paid to play for G league Ignite.
Good question. I haven’t looked, but I’d imagine a lot of these kids are affiliated with Nike
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I am likely redundant to earlier posts on this.
Premise: The NBA tried team uniformity and team deals but eventually gave in on sneakers.... every man for himself...yes?
1- Currently, ...Does a Nike signed NCAA school outfit all BB shoes and keep all the Nike $?
2- Does a kid playing during HS with a Nike BB summer league team get to sign up his own individual deal and get Nike $ during those summers, or are those summer teams also income hoarders like quest 1 above ?
3- If the same "Nike" kid then recruits into a Nike NCAA school can he get separate Nike money for doing so from Nike .....not connected to any school recruiting inducment (NCAA violation) ...but simply as a continuing NIL brand loyalty thing to this loyal Nike kid?
4- Should some up and comer NCAA school consider letting its current sneaker deal totally expire and then let all the recruits freely sign a NIL deal with whomever, for their shoes , like the NBAers? Seems this would assure every BB recruit some decent NIL income.
5- How long before NCAA kids unionize and I will have to consider these issues in light of their collective bargaining agreement, ie CBA?
6- Mods feel free to shift this post to a more appropriate thread, as I am curious on the answers.
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Memphis is a steaming pile of garbage.
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Memphis is a steaming pile of garbage.
Penny can’t coach, at all. They are a bad AAU team playing D1 ball.
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Arizona had to land in Indy due to the storms in Illinois tonight. For some reason, the buses they tried to get to take them to Champaign were driving from somewhere in Illinois, and were going to take two hours to get to the Indy airport.
Zona ended up taking Uber’s to Champaign.
Not coincidentally, the line moved from UA -1 to UA +1.5 in the last hour.
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Zona ended up taking Uber’s to Champaign.
Wow, a bunch of happy UberXL drivers!
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I don't expect Davis to come back to Whisky. He's probably a top 10 pick.
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I don't expect Davis to come back to Whisky. He's probably a top 10 pick.
I’ve been told he loves school and campus
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I’ve been told he loves school and campus
But if he's a lottery pick? It would be highly unusual if he came back.
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But if he's a lottery pick? It would be highly unusual if he came back.
Nothing Uncle Rico says is serious Muggsy. It's all performance art.
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Nothing Uncle Rico says is serious Muggsy. It's all performance art.
How do you know he doesn’t love school and campus!?!?
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A pretty emphatic win for Ohio St.
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A pretty emphatic win for Ohio St.
Badgers were focused on their agricultural journalism finals
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Oklahoma is in control over Arkansas. Pretty surprised on this one.
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Oklahoma is in control over Arkansas. Pretty surprised on this one.
Moser can coach
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Badgers were focused on their agricultural journalism finals
It was also Ohio State’s Super Bowl.
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Moser can coach
He’s impressed me this year. Didn’t know if he would be able to adapt.
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How do you know he doesn’t love school and campus!?!?
Not in that order, sources say.
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He’s impressed me this year. Didn’t know if he would be able to adapt.
They picked up a lot of talent in the transfer market. It's a completely different world now in college hoops. You can rebuild quickly.
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Kerr Kriisa has game and so does the Lithuanian guy on Zona. I wouldn't mind an MU foothold in the Balkans, former Yugoslavia, and Eastern Europe in general.
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Do you think they can play the style that Coach Smart wants?
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Do you think they can play the style that Coach Smart wants?
These two guys on Zona?? Of course.
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Complete meltdown by Illinois down the stretch.
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ND storms the court after beating #10 Kentucky???
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ND storms the court after beating #10 Kentucky???
LOL.
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ND storms the court after beating #10 Kentucky???
Sure, why not. It's Kentucky, I guess.
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Sure, why not. It's Kentucky, I guess.
They're not even close to a top 10 team. They've literally beaten no one.
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They've literally beaten no one.
Literally, that's incorrect. But figuratively, sure.
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Literally, that's incorrect. But figuratively, sure.
Can one use the word literally, sarcastically? They've beaten one top 100 team. Some of their impressive wins include: Robert Morris, Mount St. Mary's, and Albany.
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Can one use the word literally, sarcastically?
I know the kiddos do it, but it's literally not sarcasm, it's just incorrect. -signed x-er, geezer apparently.
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I know the kiddos do it, but it's literally not sarcasm, it's just incorrect. -signed x-er, geezer apparently.
Ha!! Fair enough.
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Wasn't Michigan preseason top 5? Whoops.
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Premature, but WKU looks like a better team than Ole Miss on a neutral court.
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71-48 WKU over Ole Miss. Watched the first half without sound, was Mississippi missing anyone? Or is this foreshadowing on Marquette's night?
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Wow, hell of a finish in the Bama-Houston game. And preemptively, it was absolutely not goaltend.
If you're going to change a rule for that to be reviewed, they should have a physicist in the Command Center to tell you that there is a precisely 0% chance that ball is going in.
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Wow, hell of a finish in the Bama-Houston game. And preemptively, it was absolutely not goaltend.
If you're going to change a rule for that to be reviewed, they should have a physicist in the Command Center to tell you that there is a precisely 0% chance that ball is going in.
Totally agree.
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Davis looks a little like Devin Booker to me. I think he ends up a lottery pick. #HeGowne
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I have yet to see a single mock draft with Davis in it, let alone a first round pick, let alone a lottery pick.
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I have yet to see a single mock draft with Davis in it, let alone a first round pick, let alone a lottery pick.
It's cuz all the mock sites know how much he loves college
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I have yet to see a single mock draft with Davis in it, let alone a first round pick, let alone a lottery pick.
Most of the mocks haven't been updated. Lottery pick ... I don't know about that, but I'll be surprised if he's not a first-rounder unless he gets hurt or really hits the skids.
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Some updated draft scouting sites have him listed as late first, early second. We will see how the conference season goes.
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He’s a very good player and probably a first round pick, but talk of him being a lottery pick is a bit hysteric. He’s got decent size, but not great size at the 2. He’s not an exceptional 3 pt shooter. He’s athletic enough but not an athletic freak. You need one of those 3 to be a lottery pick at the 2 IMO.
He’s a scoring machine and definitely a pro, but I think he’s probably a 25-30 range guy, which still means he should leave after this year
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Monmouth just won at Pitt. ;D
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Monmouth just won at Pitt. ;D
Awesome!!
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I mean, Monmouth has a better NET ranking than Marquette ... 45. They're a decent team.
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I mean, Monmouth has a better NET ranking than Marquette ... 45. They're a decent team.
That's not the point.
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Monmouth just won at Pitt. ;D
Monmouth was favored. Stallings really bottomed out the Pitt program.
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That's not the point.
What’s the point then? Monmouth is a very solid mid major lead by an accomplished and respect coach and a guard who got decent minutes for SHU last year
….and Pitt is the DePaul of the ACC who hasn’t had a winning season or made any postseason tourney in over 5 years and has only finished above 9th in the ACC once since joining the conference.
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That's not the point.
Correct, anytime Pitt & Syracuse goes down is a good day.
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Major props to Jeff Capel for scheduling Monmouth, hey?
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I have yet to see a single mock draft with Davis in it, let alone a first round pick, let alone a lottery pick.
It's still early and Davis is just getting on the mock draft radar. If he sustains this level of play, Davis will start appearing as a first round pick by the end of January.
Davis is playing a lot better than guys like Max Christie and Trevor Keels. I've seen both mocked in the late lottery. I think Davis passes them in the mock drafts sooner than later.
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Speaking of lottery picks, Patrick Baldwin Jr should just pack it in. UWM is horrible and will be lucky to win 10 games this year. And he’s not even lighting it up in spite of them cause there is nobody else to worry about. Currently scoreless with 2 fouls in the first against URI
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Speaking of lottery picks, Patrick Baldwin Jr should just pack it in. UWM is horrible and will be lucky to win 10 games this year. And he’s not even lighting it up in spite of them cause there is nobody else to worry about. Currently scoreless with 2 fouls in the first against URI
I admire his decision to play for his old man but he did himself a disservice when it comes to developing his game. I doubt it’ll hurt his draft status but he’d be better off playing with better talent
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I admire his decision to play for his old man but he did himself a disservice when it comes to developing his game. I doubt it’ll hurt his draft status but he’d be better off playing with better talent
Yea it’s just kind of odd. I mean, it’s not a traditional college campus or experience. It’s not even the fun college game day experience cause they have only had 1 game where they drew more than 2500 fans.
So sure you get a few months playing for Dad but you’re getting your head bashed in playing with bum teammates in empty gyms.
He’ll still be a top 20 pick, but inauspicious start to his “adult” career
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He’d have been way better off doing one of those “straight to the G League” deals, or doing what LaMelo did.
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Yea it’s just kind of odd. I mean, it’s not a traditional college campus or experience. It’s not even the fun college game day experience cause they have only had 1 game where they drew more than 2500 fans.
So sure you get a few months playing for Dad but you’re getting your head bashed in playing with bum teammates in empty gyms.
He’ll still be a top 20 pick, but inauspicious start to his “adult” career
I wonder if PB sr would have been retained if PBJ excluded UWM early in his recruiting. I assume if he was let go, he had enough of a resume to follow PBJ to any school or G-League team. As this season is going, i'm having doubts PBSr will have a job in January and PBJ will "focus on the draft"
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If only we would've had a second donor pay out PBSr.'s buyout from Milwaukee, plus salary for Marquette's DOBO position, and pony up for PBJr's NIL money we'd be in good shape. PBJ starting at the 3 for us would be nice.
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Unless he signed an extension at some point, this is the last year of his original five year deal. And I don't see any evidence of an extension. So my guess is that UWM is in for a complete rebuild next year.
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Yea it’s just kind of odd. I mean, it’s not a traditional college campus or experience. It’s not even the fun college game day experience cause they have only had 1 game where they drew more than 2500 fans.
So sure you get a few months playing for Dad but you’re getting your head bashed in playing with bum teammates in empty gyms.
He’ll still be a top 20 pick, but inauspicious start to his “adult” career
higher than that. My buddy who is an assistant GM in the NBA was at the game scouting him last night. "Still a lottery pick. He's in a terrible situation."
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higher than that. My buddy who is an assistant GM in the NBA was at the game scouting him last night. "Still a lottery pick. He's in a terrible situation."
Thanks for the info. I wonder what he thinks about Johnny Davis.
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higher than that. My buddy who is an assistant GM in the NBA was at the game scouting him last night. "Still a lottery pick. He's in a terrible situation."
Thanks, Chicos
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Nebraska job will be opening up very soon if rumors are true of a recruiting violation being exposed.
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Unless he signed an extension at some point, this is the last year of his original five year deal. And I don't see any evidence of an extension. So my guess is that UWM is in for a complete rebuild next year.
There was no extension I'm aware of. The number of guys that transfer out each year, every year has been a rebuild in some regard.
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Reports of Memphis’ demise seems to be premature…or when you have insane talent sometimes they will just win a game themselves
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Reports of Memphis’ demise seems to be premature…or when you have insane talent sometimes they will just win a game themselves
Hard to concentrate playing on that idiotic court.
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Thanks for the info. I wonder what he thinks about Johnny Davis.
Not on their radar yet. This is a team who will be picking in the lottery.
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Johnny Davis 15th pick on NBAdraft.net
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
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Yeah, Davis is gonna start showing up on more and more mock drafts. Very much on scouts' radar.
He's really, really good. Good enough size, decent handle, 38% from 3, super smooth, plenty athletic, never seems in a hurry, gonna carry an otherwise mediocre team into the NCAAT.
If you're an NBA GM you look at him and say, "Already a nice player, and can be a lot better."
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Davis is 19th on Watch Stadium and 26th on NBA Draft Room.
EPSN has him at 32.
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Not on their radar yet. This is a team who will be picking in the lottery.
Either
1. your friend is not telling you the whole truth
2. your friend is a moron and in a dereliction of his duties, or
3. your friend is imaginary
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Not on their radar yet. This is a team who will be picking in the lottery.
Thanks for responding. I am sure they will be scouting him as the season goes on.
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Either
1. your friend is not telling you the whole truth
2. your friend is a moron and in a dereliction of his duties, or
3. your friend is imaginary
1. your friend is not telling you the whole truth - nope. Davis isn't someone they're looking at.
2. your friend is a moron and in a dereliction of his duties, or - focus is on top ten guys since that's where they'll be picking (probably higher). Focusing on a fringe lottery pick who is at a position where they're set would be the dereliction of duty.
3. your friend is imaginary - nope. Unless I've been spending time with an talking to a ghost for 10 years and that Athletic focus on him last year was about an imaginary person.
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I won't make any accusations about Billy or his friend, but even GMs who are expected to pick in the lottery do a lot more than scout lottery picks.
1. There are a bazillion draft-related trades. You might think you're picking No. 5 or 8 or 10, but your GM might wheel and deal. And after all that, you might end up with the 16th and 27th picks. So you'd damn well better be prepared to provide a ton of info about guys who could go well after the lottery. If you want to keep your job, that is.
2. There's a second round, and those picks get dealt like crazy. I don't expect Davis to fall into the second round, but anything's possible.
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I won't make any accusations about Billy or his friend, but even GMs who are expected to pick in the lottery do a lot more than scout lottery picks.
1. There are a bazillion draft-related trades. You might think you're picking No. 5 or 8 or 10, but your GM might wheel and deal. And after all that, you might end up with the 16th and 27th picks. So you'd damn well better be prepared to provide a ton of info about guys who could go well after the lottery. If you want to keep your job, that is.
2. There's a second round, and those picks get dealt like crazy. I don't expect Davis to fall into the second round, but anything's possible.
Yeah ... I can't speak for Billy's friend, but NBA teams scout everyone at this time of the season because they have no idea where they'll be picking come June.
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Yeah ... I can't speak for Billy's friend, but NBA teams scout everyone at this time of the season because they have no idea where they'll be picking come June.
Whatever scouting department not doing due diligence on potential 2022 draft picks is one I want to do business with. #EasyW
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I'm in the market for a new car in mid 2022. The new all Mustang Mach-E isn't on my radar cause I still don't love American made cars and I'm not seeing total value in all electric for me at this point...but I'm aware of it. See how that works?
I'm sure the dude knows who Johnny Davis is. I'm sure he knows what he's like as a player. He isn't in their consideration set in the top 10 picks when they have a SG they like and maybe don't think Davis is lottery value at this point.
Why is that so hard to understand? Or is it just open season on Billy cause of some of his other takes?
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My $.02, when you namedrop someone in a high status position, and matter of factly answer someone's questions as if the person is sitting right next to you, you open yourself to criticism. Now, do I think Billy has a friend in that person, yes. But do I think if Billy knows how much Johnny Davis is on their radar, Hellllll no.
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My $.02, when you namedrop someone in a high status position, and matter of factly answer someone's questions as if the person is sitting right next to you, you open yourself to criticism. Now, do I think Billy has a friend in that person, yes. But do I think if Billy knows how much Johnny Davis is on their radar, Hellllll no.
You literally took "not on their radar" to mean they have no clue who he is. Instead of the fact that he's just not of interest or a priority. He even clarified that in a second post.
He's an assistant GM, not a run of the mill college scout. Its not crazy to think he's not focusing on someone who is not a position of need, or held in particularly high esteem, for a top 10 pick.
At least you admitted you think Billy is full of it, so we can view your continued criticism and scrutiny through the proper lens.
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I figuratively took it to mean they have not scouted him. So, if they haven't yet, they are behind the curve. Davis is now #15 on nbadraft.net.
Considering these teams have scouts at basically every big game, and I would think this team would have someone at one of the tourney games this year Wisconsin was at, and most NBA Gms/Assistant GMs have weekly conference calls with their scouts, I would think he would be on their radar.
And yes, I think his first post was very Chicoesque.
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Bleacher Report has Davis at number 8 in their new mock draft.
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I hope Penny waited for Nate Oats to shake his hand.
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I'm in the market for a new car in mid 2022. The new all Mustang Mach-E isn't on my radar cause I still don't love American made cars and I'm not seeing total value in all electric for me at this point...but I'm aware of it. See how that works?
I'm sure the dude knows who Johnny Davis is. I'm sure he knows what he's like as a player. He isn't in their consideration set in the top 10 picks when they have a SG they like and maybe don't think Davis is lottery value at this point.
Why is that so hard to understand? Or is it just open season on Billy cause of some of his other takes?
No NBA personnel executive has written off Johnny Davis at this point. The draft is six months away and there are three whole months of college basketball left to play...scouting combines, personal interviews, etc. etc. etc.
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2. your friend is a moron and in a dereliction of his duties, or - focus is on top ten guys since that's where they'll be picking (probably higher). Focusing on a fringe lottery pick who is at a position where they're set would be the dereliction of duty.
Nobody has a set list of "top ten guys" with no room for someone who may be a "fringe lottery pick"....in December.
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No NBA personnel executive has written off Johnny Davis at this point. The draft is six months away and there are three whole months of college basketball left to play...scouting combines, personal interviews, etc. etc. etc.
In Billy’s defense, his scout friend did say the team was “set at Davis’ position”.
However, any front office worth anything would have contingency plans in case of injury or decline in performance for whatever reason. Coupled with possible roster changes between now and then as well would also behoove a front office to be fully vested in any and all potential draft picks.
The truth is, I doubt any good scout shares a lot of worthwhile information with friends
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Reports of Memphis’ demise seems to be premature…or when you have insane talent sometimes they will just win a game themselves
In fairness they've been pretty bad to start and they've left themselves with little wiggle room for an at large. Another win against Tennessee this weekend will go a long way. It'll be interesting to see Bates' minutes going forward.
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Nobody has a set list of "top ten guys" with no room for someone who may be a "fringe lottery pick"....in December.
But again, his exact words were “not on their radar yet”. I don’t know why people are losing their minds over this except for the poster.
He said they feel set at the 2 and don’t feel he’s one of those “can’t pass” regardless of position guys. And it’s not their focus right now. Not that he has no potential. Not that he will absolutely never be a lottery pick. Just his guy’s NBA FO take.
Just feels like they have decided Billy:Chicos and want him to be so full of it that they are reaching to describe additional meaning where there was none.
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my concern as a person scouting johnny is speed and quickness, stuff ya can't teach
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my concern as a person scouting johnny is speed and quickness, stuff ya can't teach
Did you even see him waltz by our supposedly good, quick defenders?
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Given that this team is solidly in the lottery, maybe we are giving the front office a little too much credit.
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Nicholls State up on the Bagders 30-24 at the under 4:00 of the 1st half.
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Nicholls State up on the Bagders 30-24 at the under 4:00 of the 1st half.
Johnny Davis maybe early season MVP.
Badgers without him look dreadful.
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Johnny Davis maybe early season MVP.
Badgers without him look dreadful.
Yes, they are.
I wonder if Jordan Davis will be unGarded when his brother turns pro.
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Nicholls State up on the Bagders 30-24 at the under 4:00 of the 1st half.
Make that 37-28. Hopefully the Colonels bring it in the 2nd half.
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Yes, they are.
I wonder if Jordan Davis will be unGarded when his brother turns pro.
Give him a track scholarship.
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Yes, they are.
I wonder if Jordan Davis will be unGarded when his brother turns pro.
Jordan makes Wally look like Larry Bird
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Jordan makes Wally look like Larry Bird
Impossible. The badgers are above offering untalented players scholarships just to land their talented brothers. Their fans have informed us of this many times
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Upset Alert: Did someone disparage the Anteaters?
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Badger fans got a glimpse at what next years team might look like although some I know think they'll be OK because 3 players are red shirting this year.
Who else red shirts 3 in a season?
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Give him a track scholarship.
Jordan was better at Football and supposedly The Badgers had interest in him for football . Don’t know if it was scholarship or preferred walk on
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Davidson beat Bama.
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I'm in the market for a new car in mid 2022. The new all Mustang Mach-E isn't on my radar cause I still don't love American made cars and I'm not seeing total value in all electric for me at this point...but I'm aware of it. See how that works?
I'm sure the dude knows who Johnny Davis is. I'm sure he knows what he's like as a player. He isn't in their consideration set in the top 10 picks when they have a SG they like and maybe don't think Davis is lottery value at this point.
Why is that so hard to understand? Or is it just open season on Billy cause of some of his other takes?
I’m actually considering one of those. Waiting to see if the BBB passes and the tax credits increase to $12,500.
Oh yeah, my buddy’s team has a guy at the 2 signed long term with a $31 million cap hit. They need a 4 in the worst way, which is why he’s scouting Baldwin in person.
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I’m actually considering one of those. Waiting to see if the BBB passes and the tax credits increase to $12,500.
Oh yeah, my buddy’s team has a guy at the 2 signed long term with a $31 million cap hit. They need a 4 in the worst way, which is why he’s scouting Baldwin in person.
I know he has the height to be a 4, but doesn't Baldwin project to a 3 in the NBA?
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Johnny Davis at 9th in the latest Yahoo Sports mock draft.
I'm trying to figure out who Billy's friend works for. Right now I'm guessing OKC.
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Johnny Davis at 9th in the latest Yahoo Sports mock draft.
I'm trying to figure out who Billy's friend works for. Right now I'm guessing OKC.
Blazers. McCollum is on the books at $30.9M and their PF situation is Covington/Larry Nance, neither of whom are a long term solution. If anyone is not interesting in a scoring guard in the lottery, it’s the Blazers
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Blazers. McCollum is on the books at $30.9M and their PF situation is Covington/Larry Nance, neither of whom are a long term solution. If anyone is not interesting in a scoring guard in the lottery, it’s the Blazers
That makes sense. Thanks.
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Blazers. McCollum is on the books at $30.9M and their PF situation is Covington/Larry Nance, neither of whom are a long term solution. If anyone is not interesting in a scoring guard in the lottery, it’s the Blazers
Except if they trade CJ , which is a big rumor. Not sure if his friend is with Portland, but many of the Mock Drafts have Portland taking a SG (nabdraft.net, Yahoo) and this one:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951341-2022-nba-mock-draft-updated-1st-round-predictions (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951341-2022-nba-mock-draft-updated-1st-round-predictions)
I believe many of these sites just slot best available player, but thought that one was kind of funny.
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Two complete horsebleep calls at the Kohl. Absolutely inexcusable.
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There is.a 0.000000% chance Johnny Davis will be back next year with the weasel/rodents. No question he's a lottery pick.
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There is.a 0.000000% chance Johnny Davis will be back next year with the weasel/rodents. No question he's a lottery pick.
37 points/13 boards at Purdue.
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Ivey might have the potential to be better
But Johnny Davis is astronomically better at the collegiate level right now
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I just caught the last 10 mins but the truth is Whisky is basically a one man show. The guy has been that good and they really don't have much else.
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The Davis brothers combined for 37p & 16r tonight. Impressive!!
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There is.a 0.000000% chance Johnny Davis will be back next year with the weasel/rodents. No question he's a lottery pick.
He gone
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There is.a 0.000000% chance Johnny Davis will be back next year with the weasel/rodents. No question he's a lottery pick.
Yes. As a few of us have been saying since November, he's a pro.
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Johnny Davis made the biggest one year leap I can remember. Even bigger than Jimmy Butler's sophomore to junior year leap.
After Wisconsin beat us, I predicted Davis would be a lottery pick. After tonight, he's top 10 with a legit chance to go top 5.
Player comps: Devin Booker, Ron Harper, Allan Houston
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Johnny Davis made the biggest one year leap I can remember. Even bigger than Jimmy Butler's sophomore to junior year leap.
After Wisconsin beat us, I predicted Davis would be a lottery pick. After tonight, he's top 10 with a legit chance to go top 5.
Player comps: Devin Booker, Ron Harper, Allan Houston
Ill eat my hat if he goes top 5.
Harper was way more explosive as a college player than Davis is. Dude could fly.
Booker was and is a better shooter.
Davis doesn’t have a dangerous outside shot to speak of and I don’t see how a SG with decent but not great size and decent but not great overall athleticism goes that high without being a sniper from deep as well.
Allan Houston isn’t a bad comp actually
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Ill eat my hat if he goes top 5.
Yep, especially since one of the teams does not have him on their radar.
Just busting your chops a little. I don't think he's a Top 5 guy either, but then again I am behind a keyboard, and not qualified to really make that call.
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Ill eat my hat if he goes top 5.
Harper was way more explosive as a college player than Davis is. Dude could fly.
Booker was and is a better shooter.
Davis doesn’t have a dangerous outside shot to speak of and I don’t see how a SG with decent but not great size and decent but not great overall athleticism goes that high without being a sniper from deep as well.
Allan Houston isn’t a bad comp actually
Will be interesting to see how Davis fares in the NBA. He is not a great outside shooter, but can hit them at a decent clip. I wouldn't call his athleticism elite but his first step is so quick and he gets off the ground in a hurry when he jumps. At this level he has shown he can get to his spots whenever he wants. His midrange game is really, really good and his defense is outstanding.
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Will be interesting to see how Davis fares in the NBA. He is not a great outside shooter, but can hit them at a decent clip. I wouldn't call his athleticism elite but his first step is so quick and he gets off the ground in a hurry when he jumps. At this level he has shown he can get to his spots whenever he wants. His midrange game is really, really good and his defense is outstanding.
He got hype coming out of the U-19 last summer. I think he should turn pro now and get ready for the draft 😂
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Will be interesting to see how Davis fares in the NBA. He is not a great outside shooter, but can hit them at a decent clip. I wouldn't call his athleticism elite but his first step is so quick and he gets off the ground in a hurry when he jumps. At this level he has shown he can get to his spots whenever he wants. His midrange game is really, really good and his defense is outstanding.
Not quite as tall, but reminds me some of DeRozan. Quicker than he looks, plenty athletic enough, smooth, very reliable midrange game, good defender.
And it's not like he's a brick-layer from 3 -- .389 last season on limited attempts but still .348 this year on 4.2 attempts per game. That's not eye-popping, but it's solid and it's something to work with at the next level. I wouldn't be surprised if Davis becomes a decent 3-point shooter. When Jae was BEast POY as a senior, he shot .345 on 5.1 attempts ... and now, one of the NBA's best teams uses him as a spot-up shooter.
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A smaller DeRozan is another comparison I thought of.
Jon Rothstein tweeted the Houston comparison and it instantly clicked for me. Houston was a much better shooter, but Davis profiles very closely.
Size and athleticism are similar, both are good defenders, solid midrange and post game. Shooting is the only real question, but Davis is already serviceable.
If Davis keeps developing and becomes a much better shooter, Booker is the comparison for a best case scenario. Good, not great, athletes that just know how to get to their spots and score. Intelligence, craftiness, little wasted motion. Davis has a swagger that just makes me confident he hasn't peaked.
If he doesn't develop his jumper, a less athletic Ron Harper makes sense. A slashing scorer and good defender, like Harper was for the Cavs and Clippers (pre-injuries).
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Not quite as tall, but reminds me some of DeRozan. Quicker than he looks, plenty athletic enough, smooth, very reliable midrange game, good defender.
And it's not like he's a brick-layer from 3 -- .389 last season on limited attempts but still .348 this year on 4.2 attempts per game. That's not eye-popping, but it's solid and it's something to work with at the next level. I wouldn't be surprised if Davis becomes a decent 3-point shooter. When Jae was BEast POY as a senior, he shot .345 on 5.1 attempts ... and now, one of the NBA's best teams uses him as a spot-up shooter.
And the Bucks thank them for that!
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As far as the top 5 goes, I know it will be difficult to crack but not impossible. Smith, Banchero, and Holmgren seem like a lock to go top 3.
After that, it gets interesting. There's probably 5 or 6 players competing for the other top 5 spots. The next group in my eyes:
Jaden Ivey
Kendall Brown
Jalen Duren
Johnny Davis
AJ Griffin
Benedict Mathurin
It will depend on how the season plays out and which teams end up drafting top 5. Team needs could dictate the draft order. Some teams might prefer Davis more than others, depending on their internal draft rankings and needs. We shall see.
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Going off on a tangent, it's crazy to look back at the 2018 WIAA State Tournament. Players at state included Tyrese Haliburton, Jalen Johnson, Patrick Baldwin, Michael Foster, and Johnny Davis. Next year all five will be in the NBA.
And Tyler Herro wasn't even there! Quite a year for Wisconsin HS basketball.
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Wendell Moore might be another top 10 candidate. He's having an excellent year. Even though he's a junior, Moore is still only 20 (6-7 months older than Davis).
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Not quite as tall, but reminds me some of DeRozan. Quicker than he looks, plenty athletic enough, smooth, very reliable midrange game, good defender.
And it's not like he's a brick-layer from 3 -- .389 last season on limited attempts but still .348 this year on 4.2 attempts per game. That's not eye-popping, but it's solid and it's something to work with at the next level. I wouldn't be surprised if Davis becomes a decent 3-point shooter. When Jae was BEast POY as a senior, he shot .345 on 5.1 attempts ... and now, one of the NBA's best teams uses him as a spot-up shooter.
At this level, he reminds me of Wade. He can get a bucket whenever he wants and he has the ability to be a game changer on both ends of the floor. He isn't the athlete Dwyane was, but he has size on him.
As far as the NBA level and his shot, the other thing to look at is free throw percentage. Evaluators like to look at FT% as an indicator that even if a player isn't a great long-range shooter, they have the tools to learn it. Davis was a respectable 72.7% last year and is a strong 82.1% at the stripe this year. At this point, he's definite lottery and trending up. I think he's in the mix for top-5 and unless his stock slides, he won't last past 10.
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At this level, he reminds me of Wade. He can get a bucket whenever he wants and he has the ability to be a game changer on both ends of the floor. He isn't the athlete Dwyane was, but he has size on him.
As far as the NBA level and his shot, the other thing to look at is free throw percentage. Evaluators like to look at FT% as an indicator that even if a player isn't a great long-range shooter, they have the tools to learn it. Davis was a respectable 72.7% last year and is a strong 82.1% at the stripe this year. At this point, he's definite lottery and trending up. I think he's in the mix for top-5 and unless his stock slides, he won't last past 10.
I thought of Wade, but like you said Davis isn't that elite level of athlete. Wade also had a better handle, was a better passer, and was a very good shot blocker.
But another Davis player comp I saw on line is Jeremy Lamb. I'd say that's probably his floor, with Allan Houston as a realistic ceiling, and an outside chance of being as good as Devin Booker.
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I thought of Wade, but like you said Davis isn't that elite level of athlete. Wade also had a better handle, was a better passer, and was a very good shot blocker.
But another Davis player comp I saw on line is Jeremy Lamb. I'd say that's probably his floor, with Allan Houston as a realistic ceiling, and an outside chance of being as good as Devin Booker.
The shot-blocking for Wade was other-worldly, and that's what I meant when I said Davis was a difference maker on that end of the floor. Different from Wade, but in terms of what they do I think they are similar, even if exactly how they do it is different. I also think their meaning to their teams is similar. Wade leaves Marquette and we go to back-to-back NITs. Not sure what will happen to UW without Davis, but right now they are a one-man team.
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The shot-blocking for Wade was other-worldly, and that's what I meant when I said Davis was a difference maker on that end of the floor. Different from Wade, but in terms of what they do I think they are similar, even if exactly how they do it is different. I also think their meaning to their teams is similar. Wade leaves Marquette and we go to back-to-back NITs. Not sure what will happen to UW without Davis, but right now they are a one-man team.
Wow just gonna ignore the fact that odarty blankson would have stayed and we win the natty?
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Buzz over Crean at the buzzer tonight
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Buzz over Crean at the buzzer tonight
Crean's guys just kept backing up on the final play and gave up a wide-open, game-winning 3. Bad.
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Not sure what will happen to UW without Davis, but right now they are a one-man team.
Brew, I've read similar comments here on Scoop for years and years.
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Crean's guys just kept backing up on the final play and gave up a wide-open, game-winning 3. Bad.
Sounds like the Stanford game
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Brew, I've read similar comments here on Scoop for years and years.
Yes, but I don't know if they have ever been this reliant on one guy before.
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Both Jake Laravia and Alondes Williams (Rufus King HS) @ Wake Forest are fun to watch IMO.
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Both Jake Laravia and Alondes Williams (Rufus King HS) @ Wake Forest are fun to watch IMO.
Alondes went to Riverside
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Sounds like the Stanford game
huh? Burke couldn't have played much better defense on Brook Lopez. Lopez was behind the backboard and falling out of bounds when he shot it over Burke. I've never been more upset after a MU game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFpROg5G_Jc
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huh? Burke couldn't have played much better defense on Brook Lopez. Lopez was behind the backboard and falling out of bounds when he shot it over Burke. I've never been more upset after a MU game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFpROg5G_Jc
Crean chose not to pressure the two mediocre Stanford guards out of the time out even though he had three of the best defensive guards in MU history. He played hunker down defense with a 6'8" center to defend the AA center. Stupido.
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Crean chose not to pressure the two mediocre Stanford guards out of the time out even though he had three of the best defensive guards in MU history. He played hunker down defense with a 6'8" center to defend the AA center. Stupido.
six years ago I worked with Mitch Johnson (the PG who had 16 assists) and we talked about that game. The play was always going to Lopez, there was no second option. Unless we're talking about a previous play. DJ was on Johnson pretty closely, picking him up at mid-court. Ooze would have been better defensive option if he hadn't fouled out. Chalk that up to Crean's inability to bring in a strong defensive big, I guess.
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Crean chose not to pressure the two mediocre Stanford guards out of the time out even though he had three of the best defensive guards in MU history. He played hunker down defense with a 6'8" center to defend the AA center. Stupido.
And he's about to get fired from Georgia.
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Alondes went to Riverside
I stand by the rest of my post lol
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New NBA mock draft from John Wasserman at Bleacher Report:
5. Johnny Davis
48. Justin Lewis
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New NBA mock draft from John Wasserman at Bleacher Report:
5. Johnny Davis
48. Justin Lewis
Should someone let Billy's friend know?
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New NBA mock draft from John Wasserman at Bleacher Report:
5. Johnny Davis
48. Justin Lewis
Bleacher Report isn't exactly the height of sports journalism. Its basically Buzzfeed for sports
Should someone let Billy's friend know?
Glad we're still manipulating a statement that likely had truth in it into some cheap laughs
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Glad we're still manipulating a statement that likely had truth in it into some cheap laughs
Glad to see you're still fighting the good fight in defending him! It's one of those statements that didn't age well.
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Glad to see you're still fighting the good fight in defending him! It's one of those statements that didn't age well.
I’m not defending him. From the jump I saw it as an innocuous statement that everyone went after like the dude was either lying or the front office guy was an idiot. And Davis going in the lottery does nothing to change it.
Plenty of front office statements or opinions don’t age well. That doesnt mean they were patently absurd when they were made. Davis is really good, but I still don’t think he’s a “can’t pass up” talent for a team that doesn’t need an SG.
I still stand by its people having more of an issue with Billy’s other posts and they wouldn’t have went HAM on it if Dish or other pro sports connected posters said it
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Not that it matters but St. Bonny has gotten throttled their last two games. I did warn their fans that they should wait for the season to play out before anointing them a F4 team.
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Should someone let Billy's friend know?
Not a need nor reasonable pick for them (and they’ll be lower). But I’m flattered you remain obsessed. I’ll pass on your thoughts to him.
He said he’ll be checking out JLew soon with some other possible second rounders from the BE.mLikes his versatility and motor, hopes he can improve his range.
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Not a need nor reasonable pick for them (and they’ll be lower). But I’m flattered you remain obsessed.
Portland didn't think Michael Jordan was a need for them.
And I am obsessed because this entire story has been bullsh*t from the beginning. Supposedly this friend wasn't considering him because they are only looking at the top 10, and now he's too high for them?
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Not a need nor reasonable pick for them (and they’ll be lower). But I’m flattered you remain obsessed. I’ll pass on your thoughts to him.
He said he’ll be checking out JLew soon with some other possible second rounders from the BE.mLikes his versatility and motor, hopes he can improve his range.
Thanks for the info, Billy. Don't let the haters get you down.
I realize that you can't disclose too much about your friend's team. I definitely don't have enough info to pass judgement on their team situation.
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Ah, reliable Scoop bickering.
All that matters is that Davis is a stud, as a few of us said 2 months ago, and that Marquette won't have to deal with him again.
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Thanks for the info, Billy. Don't let the haters get you down.
What info? The guy he claimed to be in a personnel department who said that Davis wasn't on their radar? Gimme a break...
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What info? The guy he claimed to be in a personnel department who said that Davis wasn't on their radar? Gimme a break...
If Billy's friend does work for Portland (as one Scooper surmised), then I understand why they wouldn't be in the market for a SG.
CJ McCollum, Norman Powell, and Anfernee Simmons are all good players. Unless Portland became convinced Davis was a can't miss All-Star, then I can understand why they would target a different position, particularly forwards.
Maybe passing on Davis would be a mistake, but NBA teams make mistakes all the time.
PS- Davis has had such a meteoric rise this season, going from someone not expected to even enter the draft to a lottery projection. I'm sure he was off the radar of most teams at the start of the year, but Davis played his way onto the radar.
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New 2 round mock draft from USA today has Johnny Davis at 5. No Justin Lewis.
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If Billy's friend does work for Portland (as one Scooper surmised), then I understand why they wouldn't be in the market for a SG.
CJ McCollum, Norman Powell, and Anfernee Simmons are all good players. Unless Portland became convinced Davis was a can't miss All-Star, then I can understand why they would target a different position, particularly forwards.
Maybe passing on Davis would be a mistake, but NBA teams make mistakes all the time.
PS- Davis has had such a meteoric rise this season, going from someone not expected to even enter the draft to a lottery projection. I'm sure he was off the radar of most teams at the start of the year, but Davis played his way onto the radar.
If you’re picking in the top 5, you really should pick best available unless you have can’t miss players and most of those teams don’t. Portland needs to be blown up anyway. They’re not close
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If you’re picking in the top 5, you really should pick best available unless you have can’t miss players and most of those teams don’t. Portland needs to be blown up anyway. They’re not close
Almost every team drafts this way. The idea that Portland wouldn't even look at Davis because they have a lot of guards means that the people running Portland's basketball operation are dumb.
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Almost every team drafts this way. The idea that Portland wouldn't even look at Davis because they have a lot of guards means that the people running Portland's basketball operation are dumb.
That’s entirely plausible based on what’s reported about the Portland front office
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If you’re picking in the top 5, you really should pick best available unless you have can’t miss players and most of those teams don’t. Portland needs to be blown up anyway. They’re not close
here's what the Athletic had to say. I'm not sure he's "can't miss."
It’s also worth noting that this is where a substantial drop-off occurs in the draft. Scouts I’ve talked to see Davis right now more as a solid lottery-level to mid-first-round guy as opposed to a top-five guy. The problem is, there isn’t really anyone else around whom I’ve gotten the impression scouts see as a top-half-of-the-lottery guy, so Davis falls here for now.
That’s entirely plausible based on what’s reported about the Portland front office
Right now Portland really doesn't have a front office. Absentee owner and an interim GM who isn't going to get the job.
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here's what the Athletic had to say. I'm not sure he's "can't miss."
It’s also worth noting that this is where a substantial drop-off occurs in the draft. Scouts I’ve talked to see Davis right now more as a solid lottery-level to mid-first-round guy as opposed to a top-five guy. The problem is, there isn’t really anyone else around whom I’ve gotten the impression scouts see as a top-half-of-the-lottery guy, so Davis falls here for now.
Right now Portland really doesn't have a front office. Absentee owner and an interim GM who isn't going to get the job.
I agree that he isn’t can’t miss. He’s improved dramatically but 🤷🏼♂️.
General thought is to take best available talent and if that was Davis, take Davis.
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here's what the Athletic had to say. I'm not sure he's "can't miss."
It’s also worth noting that this is where a substantial drop-off occurs in the draft. Scouts I’ve talked to see Davis right now more as a solid lottery-level to mid-first-round guy as opposed to a top-five guy. The problem is, there isn’t really anyone else around whom I’ve gotten the impression scouts see as a top-half-of-the-lottery guy, so Davis falls here for now.
Right now Portland really doesn't have a front office. Absentee owner and an interim GM who isn't going to get the job.
You have to quote the Athletic and not your friend, since Davis isn't on his radar?
Sorry, that was the low hanging fruit.
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here's what the Athletic had to say. I'm not sure he's "can't miss."
It’s also worth noting that this is where a substantial drop-off occurs in the draft. Scouts I’ve talked to see Davis right now more as a solid lottery-level to mid-first-round guy as opposed to a top-five guy. The problem is, there isn’t really anyone else around whom I’ve gotten the impression scouts see as a top-half-of-the-lottery guy, so Davis falls here for now.
I'd totally agree that Davis isn't a can't-miss guy. When I called him a stud, I was talking about at the college level.
I think "solid" is a good word to describe him when projecting pro potential. If he develops a reliable NBA 3-point stroke, improves his handle and lands in the right situation, he could have a pretty high ceiling, but that's a lot of ifs.
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I'd totally agree that Davis isn't a can't-miss guy. When I called him a stud, I was talking about at the college level.
I think "solid" is a good word to describe him when projecting pro potential. If he develops a reliable NBA 3-point stroke, improves his handle and lands in the right situation, he could have a pretty high ceiling, but that's a lot of ifs.
Agreed. But right now he's probably CPOY.
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Wow, Johnny Davis is at it again.
Give Gard a ton of credit for really coaching the guy up.
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Almost every team drafts this way. The idea that Portland wouldn't even look at Davis because they have a lot of guards means that the people running Portland's basketball operation are dumb.
They certainly try to, but NBA teams make mistakes all the time.
And Portland definitely sounds dysfunctional, so I'm not going to die on a hill defending them.
If you’re picking in the top 5, you really should pick best available unless you have can’t miss players and most of those teams don’t. Portland needs to be blown up anyway. They’re not close
I agree, Portland needs to be blown up. But I also think the front office isn't ready to do it.
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Wow, Johnny Davis is at it again.
Give Gard a ton of credit for really coaching the guy up.
Was it Gard or was it playing/practicing all summer with the US team?
Markus made huge strides each off season and I don’t think it was Wojo coaching him up/developing him
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Was it Gard or was it playing/practicing all summer with the US team?
Markus made huge strides each off season and I don’t think it was Wojo coaching him up/developing him
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/jim-polzin-why-johnny-davis-showing-up-on-nba-radar-is-a-win-win-for/article_b0aa962e-5724-53c6-99e1-711c20e3d5f2.html
Wasn’t Greg Gard
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K chasing down a Georgia Tech player during a timeout for pointing at his bench was hilarious.
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Miami won at Duke.
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Fun night for college hoops.
The last two unbeaten teams -- Baylor and USC -- lost. Baylor blew a 15-point lead at home in falling to Texas Tech. USC lost on the road to unranked Stanford. Auburn survived Bama and Kansas topped Iowa State in two down-to-the wire games. Chris Beard's Longhorns beat Porter Moser's Sooners by 14.
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Auburn is really damn good. Pearl’s best team there, Final Four squad included. 3 really good transfers, plus Jabari Smith. They withstood a furious Bama rally and then somehow won a slugfest in the last 3 min on the road. Rough as nails
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Fun night for college hoops.
The last two unbeaten teams -- Baylor and USC -- lost. Baylor blew a 15-point lead at home in falling to Texas Tech. USC lost on the road to unranked Stanford. Auburn survived Bama and Kansas topped Iowa State in two down-to-the wire games. Chris Beard's Longhorns beat Porter Moser's Sooners by 14.
Iowa St got completely screwed last night. They botched a clear goaltending not to mention two very questionable calls that gave KU 4 free throws down the stretch. I thought they can review goaltending? Although I'm not sure TJO made a fuss about it. Anyway, they got hosed.
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Iowa St got completely screwed last night. They botched a clear goaltending not to mention two very questionable calls that gave KU 4 free throws down the stretch. I thought they can review goaltending? Although I'm not sure TJO made a fuss about it. Anyway, they got hosed.
I didn't see the goaltending situation. IIRC refs can't review a NON-call, only a call. And maybe if TJO didn't make a fuss about it, it wasn't what you thought?
I'm also guessing Iowa State had opportunities to win but didn't take advantage of them. Games are very, very, very rarely decided by the refs.
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Iowa St got completely screwed last night. They botched a clear goaltending not to mention two very questionable calls that gave KU 4 free throws down the stretch. I thought they can review goaltending? Although I'm not sure TJO made a fuss about it. Anyway, they got hosed.
If the goaltend had been on the final basket maybe you could say they were screwed, but as 82 said, there were other opportunities to win (maybe get a stop on KU's final two possessions). And, of course KU is going to get questionable calls at the Phog, it always happens. I hope the Clones can get some revenge at Hilton.
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Fun night for college hoops.
The last two unbeaten teams -- Baylor and USC -- lost. Baylor blew a 15-point lead at home in falling to Texas Tech. USC lost on the road to unranked Stanford. Auburn survived Bama and Kansas topped Iowa State in two down-to-the wire games. Chris Beard's Longhorns beat Porter Moser's Sooners by 14.
in an empty arena, no less.
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in an empty arena, no less.
I was thinking about it. Outside the benefit of not having a raucous crowd with a decidedly home court advantage, I'm not so sure the empty stadium helps the road team. Empty echoing gym makes it hard to feel like a normal game and makes it ever more clear that you're in a foreign arena and nothing to feed off of.
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Auburn is really damn good. Pearl’s best team there, Final Four squad included. 3 really good transfers, plus Jabari Smith. They withstood a furious Bama rally and then somehow won a slugfest in the last 3 min on the road. Rough as nails
I've had them as a 1-seed for a couple weeks now and think they might deserve the #1 ranking as well. Their win over LSU is the best win any of the 1-loss teams have and their only loss, UConn on a neutral, is also probably the best loss of any 1-loss teams. Their 9 Q1+2 wins are more than any other team (Wisconsin has 8, no one else has more than 7). That team is loaded and a legit national title contender.
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I was thinking about it. Outside the benefit of not having a raucous crowd with a decidedly home court advantage, I'm not so sure the empty stadium helps the road team. Empty echoing gym makes it hard to feel like a normal game and makes it ever more clear that you're in a foreign arena and nothing to feed off of.
agreed. It's like practice for the home team.
Thought Stanford rarely fills the place and the student section is too concerned about getting back to their dorms to study to cheer loud.
I've had them as a 1-seed for a couple weeks now and think they might deserve the #1 ranking as well. Their win over LSU is the best win any of the 1-loss teams have and their only loss, UConn on a neutral, is also probably the best loss of any 1-loss teams. Their 9 Q1+2 wins are more than any other team (Wisconsin has 8, no one else has more than 7). That team is loaded and a legit national title contender.
You get what you pay for.
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Fun night for college hoops.
The last two unbeaten teams -- Baylor and USC -- lost. Baylor blew a 15-point lead at home in falling to Texas Tech. USC lost on the road to unranked Stanford. Auburn survived Bama and Kansas topped Iowa State in two down-to-the wire games. Chris Beard's Longhorns beat Porter Moser's Sooners by 14.
I'm interested to see what Adams does at Tech and how Beard does without him.
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I'm interested to see what Adams does at Tech and how Beard does without him.
Interested in the former, but Beard will be fine. He was a successful coach at all random levels before joining up with Adams at UALR and I have trouble chalking up too much of his quick success at TTU to just a talented assistant. Especially since he'll be able to recruit better and easier at Texas.
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Interested in the former, but Beard will be fine. He was a successful coach at all random levels before joining up with Adams at UALR and I have trouble chalking up too much of his quick success at TTU to just a talented assistant. Especially since he'll be able to recruit better and easier at Texas.
Yeah I'm not saying Beard will be a flop at UT and his defense is still awesome, but sometimes those assistants can make a difference.
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Cuonzo out at Mizzou. Freeing up a new spot for Crean to land when UGA fires him.
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Cuonzo out at Mizzou. Freeing up a new spot for Crean to land when UGA fires him.
I think you fell for a parody account.
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I think you fell for a parody account.
Oops, mea cupla.
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Parody or not, Crean's next spot is behind a desk and in front of a camera. He's not gonna get a good P5 job straight away. And I don't know that a mid 50s coach who loves the spotlight with stops at BE, SEC, and B10 schools wants to coach in the MVC or CUSA. He's good in studio, he's seemingly gotten more relatable and likeable over the last 5+ years, he'd be a good fit at ESPN/FS1/CBS
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Badgers do it again. And without being carried by Davis.
They have a ton of Q1 wins.
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Well done. Way to know your role.
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Badgers do it again. And without being carried by Davis.
They have a ton of Q1 wins.
Bottom half of the Big ten we were told.
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Wisconsin is 14-1 with Johnny Davis in the lineup and this team has a RESUME.
Badgers now own SEVEN Quad 1 wins --- the most in college basketball.
Only loss at full strength is at Ohio State.
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Greg Gard. Silent Assassin.
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Gonzaga wins 110-84 over BYU and it wasn’t even that close. Shot 69% fir the game.
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Gonzaga wins 110-84 over BYU and it wasn’t even that close. Shot 69% fir the game.
When the Zags are clicking on offense, they are a beautiful watch
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Parody or not, Crean's next spot is behind a desk and in front of a camera. He's not gonna get a good P5 job straight away. And I don't know that a mid 50s coach who loves the spotlight with stops at BE, SEC, and B10 schools wants to coach in the MVC or CUSA. He's good in studio, he's seemingly gotten more relatable and likeable over the last 5+ years, he'd be a good fit at ESPN/FS1/CBS
100%. He's really good at it.
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Oregon/UCLA was crazy last night. Ducks lost a 6 point lead with 25 seconds left. Had to re-win it in ot last night.
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Can someone explain how Michigan has such good Kenpom metrics still? Skimming their season I really don't get it. Do they still have preseason numbers baked in due to so few games played?
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Can someone explain how Michigan has such good Kenpom metrics still? Skimming their season I really don't get it. Do they still have preseason numbers baked in due to so few games played?
1. All of their wins are by double digits. Besides one game against #287 Prairie View A&M, all of their wins are against top 175 opponents. Winning by 37 against #140 Southern Utah and 35 at #156 Nebraska is covering up a lot of blemishes. Blowing out mediocre but not bad opponents is good for your score, a bit of a flaw in the system.
2. Their losses aren't "good" but none are "bad" either. Losing by 10 to #77 Minnesota at home is probably the worst one in KP's eyes.
3. 7/8 of their four factor numbers look solid. The only one that doesn't is defensive TO% (they don't force turnovers) which ranks 344th. 4 of the others are top 70 in the country (including the two most important ones eFG% and eFG% allowed), 5 are top 100 and 6 are top 150.
The numbers suggest that they are better than their record shows....but their 1-6 record against top 100 teams may mean that they can fatten their numbers on mediocre teams but will get beat by the good ones.
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Northwestern : 64
Mich St: 62
:)
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At somepoint Texas gonna have to prove they deserve a ranking
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At somepoint Texas gonna have to prove they deserve a ranking
Are you saying they're NOT a national title contender?
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Things continue to go great at Maryland.
https://www.tmz.com/2022/01/14/maryland-assistant-hoops-coach-bruce-shingler-suspended-after-prostitution-bust-arrest/?adid=social-twa
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At somepoint Texas gonna have to prove they deserve a ranking
Need to hang my Texas takes in the rafters for worst of all time. They look all out of sorts.
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Need to hang my Texas takes in the rafters for worst of all time. They look all out of sorts.
Rule 1 of Scoop: Never as it you’re wrong
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Rule 1 of Scoop: Never as it you’re wrong
Call me the Anti Fluff
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Purdue went on a 17-0 run on Illinois.
Up 11 at half.
Would be nice if Illinois could realize there’s a game going on
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Great comeback by Illinois to force OT.
Curbelo is back.
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Stupid Purdue.
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WVU once down 15. Gets up 3 against Baylor.
Proceeded to start launching contested 3s.
They also have missed no joke maybe 13 straight lay ups/tap ins.
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WVU once down 15. Gets up 3 against Baylor.
Proceeded to start launching contested 3s.
They also have missed no joke maybe 13 straight lay ups/tap ins.
As a Big XII consumer through the years, that’s classic West Virginia. They’re a fun team to follow from the outside but I can imagine the fanbase has other opinions
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As a Big XII consumer through the years, that’s classic West Virginia. They’re a fun team to follow from the outside but I can imagine the fanbase has other opinions
Yeah since messaging that it really hasn’t improved.
And having Osobeuien go to the line after biffing the lay up is like automatic And 1 becoming 0.
Shame that Mayer and Cryer are both shooting outta their minds in this one
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Bonnies sure as hell not helping our metrics
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Bonnies sure as hell not helping our metrics
Neither is Ole Miss. It’s gotten worse. They’re down 25 to Mizzou.
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Neither is Ole Miss
Jesus
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Kansas fouls up 3 with :10 left against Oklahoma and wins by 3. OU made both FTs and fouled KU who made both FTs. OU had to heave a 52’ shot to try and tie.
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D. Garcia had 3pts tonight in a 85-57 loss to Miami.
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Bonnies sure as hell not helping our metrics
That’s an expected result. Ole Miss, not so much
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That’s an expected result. Ole Miss, not so much
Expected to lose? Yes
By 18? No.
I think Dayton was favored by like 5.5 or something
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Expected to lose? Yes
By 18? No.
I think Dayton was favored by like 5.5 or something
Bonnies were favored by one
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Bonnies were favored by one
Wow, I probably looked at wrong game.
Then yeah, that proves my point even more haha
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Wow, I probably looked at wrong game.
Then yeah, that proves my point even more haha
Yep. Opened at +2.5 but moved all the way to -1.5 in some places. Saw -1 at most books. Certainly wasn’t a guaranteed loss, although I probably would have leaned towards Dayton if I bet that one.
Big win for KSU. Texas clearly misses Shaka.
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D. Garcia had 3pts tonight in a 85-57 loss to Miami.
No way he stays at UNC after this year right?
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Result for Duke yesterday aside, Banchero is so far beyond Holmgren in NBA readiness at this point is not even debatable. He’s really good and really smooth
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No way he stays at UNC after this year right?
He's not exactly lightning it up Galway. And his FG% is pretty poor. I would also be alarmed as an NBA scout with his career assist numbers.
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He's not exactly lightning it up Galway. And his FG% is pretty poor. I would also be alarmed as an NBA scout with his career assist numbers.
That's my point. I imagine he'd try to go home to Minnesota if he's going to play another year of college.
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That's my point. I imagine he'd try to go home to Minnesota if he's going to play another year of college.
Maybe he should have looked for a coach that has a history of getting long lean bigs into the league.......
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That's my point. I imagine he'd try to go home to Minnesota if he's going to play another year of college.
I think both he and Joey have a lot of offensive ability but it appears both were overrated hs talents. I can't see either of them guarding anyone at the NBA level. Sam on the other hand is the far better overall player....and on both ends of the floor. I was never enamored by the fact that both DG and JH could handle the ball at their height. It's about what they can do with the ball off the bounce. We heard the same thing about Ellenson. .7 dimes is an astonishingly low number and I don't think Garcia shoots particularly well off the dribble other than taking advantage of his size in the paint.
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Garcia would have to sit a year since he already used an immediate transfer, right?
I’d be a little surprised if he sat out a year.
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I think both he and Joey have a lot of offensive ability but it appears both were overrated hs talents. I can't see either of them guarding anyone at the NBA level. Sam on the other hand is the far better overall player....and on both ends of the floor. I was never enamored by the fact that both DG and JH could handle the ball at their height. It's about what they can do with the ball off the bounce. We heard the same thing about Ellenson. .7 dimes is an astonishingly low number and I don't think Garcia shoots particularly well off the dribble other than taking advantage of his size in the paint.
Wojo gets a lot of deserved crap here, but how he used Joey, Garcia and Ellenson may be their high water marks.
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Result for Duke yesterday aside, Banchero is so far beyond Holmgren in NBA readiness at this point is not even debatable. He’s really good and really smooth
Smith > Banchero >>>>>>>> Chet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bates
I remember when Bates was supposed to be the best player we've seen since KD was coming up. And that he was supposed to be the next KD. Oops.
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Smith > Banchero >>>>>>>> Chet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bates
I remember when Bates was supposed to be the best player we've seen since KD was coming up. And that he was supposed to be the next KD. Oops.
I believe Nolongerwarriors was screeching that.
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Wojo gets a lot of deserved crap here, but how he used Joey, Garcia and Ellenson may be their high water marks.
Maybe I am missing something, but his stats show that he is by and large the same player at UNC than he was a MU. Just playing less.
The weirdest thing is that he is shooting worse from 2, and better from 3. EFG is down overall. But everything else is pretty much similar when the difference in minutes is accounted for.
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Also keep in mind that Garcia is coming off a concussion. That may be responsible for his recent drop in production.
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Also keep in mind that Garcia is coming off a concussion. That may be responsible for his recent drop in production.
His stats were very inconsistent pre concussion too.
His 3 ball has been bad since then concussion tho. Law of averages or injury who knows
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No way he stays at UNC after this year right?
he will have to sit if he leaves.
What happens to his six figures in NIL deals if he leaves though? Right now that's more than he'll make in the Bosnian professional league.
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he will have to sit if he leaves.
What happens to his six figures in NIL deals if he leaves though? Right now that's more than he'll make in the Bosnian professional league.
He's making 6 figures now? How is that sustainable for businesses? I mean seriously, there's got to be a negligible return on that marketing investment if any. I mean if it's was a publicly traded company couldn't that almost be considered mismanagement of funds?
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At somepoint Texas gonna have to prove they deserve a ranking
After yesterday, they finally have a Quadrant 1 win...
...on the road at K-State, which is only Q1 because they won at Texas :D
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He's making 6 figures now? How is that sustainable for businesses? I mean seriously, there's got to be a negligible return on that marketing investment if any. I mean if it's was a publicly traded company couldn't that almost be considered mismanagement of funds?
I don't mean this at all condescendingly, but you clearly don't have an experience in advertising or media buying. If you think failed marketing or sponsorship efforts are "mismanagement of funds" I don't know what to tell you otherwise. I worked at a publicly traded company that did a $5MM event sponsorship/PR campaign/marketing effort that had about 25% of the expected attendance, saw no noticeable brand impact, and didn't lead to any further steps on the planned marketing path for that product. The general reaction was "welp, lesson learned, don't do that in the future" and one director probably got passed over for a promotion that cycle.
I assure you public companies spend FARRRR more, comparatively and scaled, on advertising/marketing ventures that have spurious returns. There are plenty of businesses who do advertising that is strictly "brand building" aka there is no direct path to purchase from the vast majority of people they advertise to, companies like Boeing, Dow, etc...
If a top athlete at a local university gives the brand association with that team or puts them in the eyeballs of that player's followers, that works. Its not always 1 for 1.
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Maybe I am missing something, but his stats show that he is by and large the same player at UNC than he was a MU. Just playing less.
The weirdest thing is that he is shooting worse from 2, and better from 3. EFG is down overall. But everything else is pretty much similar when the difference in minutes is accounted for.
Usage. Including playing a lot less. Wojo seemed to run a lot of plays to position them for succcess based on their abilities. Obviously, all three moved on to higher levels teams, but look at Garcia, he dominated the team he transferred to this year.
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Usage. Including playing a lot less. Wojo seemed to run a lot of plays to position them for succcess based on their abilities. Obviously, all three moved on to higher levels teams, but look at Garcia, he dominated the team he transferred to this year.
His usage is actually UP this year. 23.6% v. 22.0%. It is down since conference season though, which means by the end of this year it will likely be lower.
But even his usage last year wasn't obscene. The difference in usage last year between first (Carton at 24.7) and fourth (McEwen at 20.8) wasn't significantly different.
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I don't mean this at all condescendingly, but you clearly don't have an experience in advertising or media buying. If you think failed marketing or sponsorship efforts are "mismanagement of funds" I don't know what to tell you otherwise. I worked at a publicly traded company that did a $5MM event sponsorship/PR campaign/marketing effort that had about 25% of the expected attendance, saw no noticeable brand impact, and didn't lead to any further steps on the planned marketing path for that product. The general reaction was "welp, lesson learned, don't do that in the future" and one director probably got passed over for a promotion that cycle.
I assure you public companies spend FARRRR more, comparatively and scaled, on advertising/marketing ventures that have spurious returns. There are plenty of businesses who do advertising that is strictly "brand building" aka there is no direct path to purchase from the vast majority of people they advertise to, companies like Boeing, Dow, etc...
If a top athlete at a local university gives the brand association with that team or puts them in the eyeballs of that player's followers, that works. Its not always 1 for 1.
This is awkward but since grad school I've done Marketing Analytics for CDW and now Omnicom. At CDW we actually could trace a return to sponsorship of the PGA tour because the director required some type of benchmarking to approve continuing the sponsorship. I should probably quit while I'm ahead though since I don't have media buying experience :-X
I assumed that it'd be mismanagement because I'm assuming (my bad) that these are existing UNC stakeholders throwing capitol at bench players to keep them happy. Every campaign should have established benchmarks that they need to meet for whatever KPIs that the strategy team came up with during the planning phase.
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His usage is actually UP this year. 23.6% v. 22.0%. It is down since conference season though, which means by the end of this year it will likely be lower.
But even his usage last year wasn't obscene. The difference in usage last year between first (Carton at 24.7) and fourth (McEwen at 20.8) wasn't significantly different.
Usage has many definitions. You are using one from Pomeroy. I am also using minutes (way down) and how he/they are being used and featured within an offense.
Garcia, Joey and Henry were outside-in players under Wojo, and now they are more inside-out. They are now primarily in the paint players.
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https://twitter.com/xavier_sanchez4/status/1483794207538089988?s=21
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https://twitter.com/xavier_sanchez4/status/1483794207538089988?s=21
Definitely star that for next badger hate week!
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This is awkward but since grad school I've done Marketing Analytics for CDW and now Omnicom. At CDW we actually could trace a return to sponsorship of the PGA tour because the director required some type of benchmarking to approve continuing the sponsorship. I should probably quit while I'm ahead though since I don't have media buying experience :-X
I assumed that it'd be mismanagement because I'm assuming (my bad) that these are existing UNC stakeholders throwing capitol at bench players to keep them happy. Every campaign should have established benchmarks that they need to meet for whatever KPIs that the strategy team came up with during the planning phase.
Coming from both the media agency side and then the company side, the returns on brand building sponsorships and spend is hazy at best. It can be done, and plenty of companies do it, but I remember seeing directly how it could slide and vary. I mean, Boeing used to use "brand favorability" metrics and ratings to comp and justify their media buys and ad spending. Not the most precise tools, especially when its not a digital property.
Hell, major professional sports in general is almost always negative return. I worked for 3 years on MillerCoors media business. NFL, NBA, college sports spending, that wasn't incredibly targeted or niche (aka some of the AA focused NBA work, smaller digital properties or buckets for the NFL, etc...) was almost always a money pit from a direct return on spend. However, it was to get your name and brands out there and affiliated with sports and the fervor around it, and it paid back in other ways.
YMMV but thats my experiences. As for bias cause UNC stakeholders like a player or whatnot, I know for a FACT that multiple Gatorade sponsored athletes in the early 2010s were chosen over others due to their current team or alma maters being favored or affiliated by higher ups in branding at the company t the time. So while it might seem more likely for a car dealership to throw some cash at a random UNC player cause the owner is a fan, its not unheard of for it to happen at the mega level too.
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https://twitter.com/xavier_sanchez4/status/1483794207538089988?s=21
As much as I wanna talk sh!t, there’s there’s no doubt in my mind that a Marquette fan has done something similar and just hasn’t been caught on camera.
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I don't mean this at all condescendingly, but you clearly don't have an experience in advertising or media buying. If you think failed marketing or sponsorship efforts are "mismanagement of funds" I don't know what to tell you otherwise. I worked at a publicly traded company that did a $5MM event sponsorship/PR campaign/marketing effort that had about 25% of the expected attendance, saw no noticeable brand impact, and didn't lead to any further steps on the planned marketing path for that product. The general reaction was "welp, lesson learned, don't do that in the future" and one director probably got passed over for a promotion that cycle.
I assure you public companies spend FARRRR more, comparatively and scaled, on advertising/marketing ventures that have spurious returns. There are plenty of businesses who do advertising that is strictly "brand building" aka there is no direct path to purchase from the vast majority of people they advertise to, companies like Boeing, Dow, etc...
If a top athlete at a local university gives the brand association with that team or puts them in the eyeballs of that player's followers, that works. Its not always 1 for 1.
I don't know if you saw the article last week about Texas A&M boosters allegedly shelling out upwards of $30million for this year's recruiting class (likely a violation of Texas state law and the NCAA is investigating, not that Jimbo cares). The money Dawson is getting is likely coming from booster owned companies. They would have spent it on UNC in one way or the other.
Here's the A&M article about how it's being done: https://brobible.com/sports/article/texas-am-recruiting-class-nil-money/ (though the article in incorrect in saying it's legal. NIL money cannot be contingent on a recruit attending an institution or directly, or indirectly, facilitated by the institution).
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I don't know if you saw the article last week about Texas A&M boosters allegedly shelling out upwards of $30million for this year's recruiting class (likely a violation of Texas state law and the NCAA is investigating, not that Jimbo cares). The money Dawson is getting is likely coming from booster owned companies. They would have spent it on UNC in one way or the other.
Here's the A&M article about how it's being done: https://brobible.com/sports/article/texas-am-recruiting-class-nil-money/ (though the article in incorrect in saying it's legal. NIL money cannot be contingent on a recruit attending an institution or directly, or indirectly, facilitated by the institution).
Texas A&M is in so much trouble
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Texas A&M is in so much trouble
The SEC: If you're not cheating you're not trying.
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As much as I wanna talk sh!t, there’s there’s no doubt in my mind that a Marquette fan has done something similar and just hasn’t been caught on camera.
Marquette also doesn't have the reputation of a lilywhite basketball team, thinking they do stuff "the right/classy way", and way to disregard almost every, primarily black, recruit that spurns their basketball team as likely academically deficient.
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Is comparing Woj vs Boom Shaka Lakka even a thang. I mean, one dude is a Timex, the other is a Rolex, aina?
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Still can't believe that LSU lost to Alabama, I find this especially crazy due to fact that LSU has one of if not the best defenses in college basketball this year. I always thought the Bama was too offensive sided guard heavy in a conference that requires hard-nosed defense and bigs.
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Still can't believe that LSU lost to Alabama, I find this especially crazy due to fact that LSU has one of if not the best defenses in college basketball this year. I always thought the Bama was too offensive sided guard heavy in a conference that requires hard-nosed defense and bigs.
It does???
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Still can't believe that LSU lost to Alabama, I find this especially crazy due to fact that LSU has one of if not the best defenses in college basketball this year. I always thought the Bama was too offensive sided guard heavy in a conference that requires hard-nosed defense and bigs.
Can't believe it?
LSU was down 2 key players and were dogs in the game.
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Is comparing Woj vs Boom Shaka Lakka even a thang. I mean, one dude is a Timex, the other is a Rolex, aina?
That’s twice today.
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Purdue with a nice choke
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It's Indiana, it's Indiana
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Purdue with a nice choke
For a really good team, Purdue takes a lot of bad shots.
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Including a last second 3, since IU didn't foul up 3.
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That’s twice today.
What is a broken watch?
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What is a broken watch?
Bob Dukiet
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https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359 (https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359)
Penny's days may be number
What an all time meltdown of stupidity.
Don't judge him for sucking with the #2 recruiting class? You chose to go for young NBA talent
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I don't know if you saw the article last week about Texas A&M boosters allegedly shelling out upwards of $30million for this year's recruiting class (likely a violation of Texas state law and the NCAA is investigating, not that Jimbo cares). The money Dawson is getting is likely coming from booster owned companies. They would have spent it on UNC in one way or the other.
Here's the A&M article about how it's being done: https://brobible.com/sports/article/texas-am-recruiting-class-nil-money/ (though the article in incorrect in saying it's legal. NIL money cannot be contingent on a recruit attending an institution or directly, or indirectly, facilitated by the institution).
The source of that report?
"According to a message board user who goes by SlicedBread ..."
That's about as rock solid as it gets
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https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359 (https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359)
Penny's days may be number
What an all time meltdown of stupidity.
Don't judge him for sucking with the #2 recruiting class? You chose to go for young NBA talent
Oh boy.
When you can't take the famously vicious Memphis media, it probably means you need to go coach in New York, Philly or Boston, where the media is much friendlier.
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Could be an interesting late night game tonight on CBSSN. San Francisco up on #1 Gonzaga.
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Could be an interesting late night game tonight on CBSSN. San Francisco up on #1 Gonzaga.
UCLA trailing to awful Utah in the 1st half too
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https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359 (https://twitter.com/TorresontheVols/status/1484369723370340359)
Penny's days may be number
What an all time meltdown of stupidity.
Don't judge him for sucking with the #2 recruiting class? You chose to go for young NBA talent
I honestly don’t think it was stupid. But it was a choice that he made. I don’t think the media or the casual fan realizes that it’s not easy to just roll the ball out with a bunch of one and dones. What Cal does at UK is harder than it looks and even he isn’t consistently top 10 as of late.
Penny is learning that major college basketball is way different than coaching AAU. He has plenty of faults there, but I do think people just assume top recruits=non stop winning
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3402836/memphis-played-tonight-which-means-memphis-lost-again-and-penny-lost-his-crap-blaming-the-media-for-disrespecting-him#story-comments
More on Penny.
Memphis has a "resurgence" under him? Multiple top classes? Let's all be clear he was/is cheating in recruiting. Maybe not anymore with NIL.
Likely similar to Michigan under Juwan.
And absolutely shenanigans under Drew at Baylor.
Oh well though. Cheaters never prosper, right?
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I don't know if you saw the article last week about Texas A&M boosters allegedly shelling out upwards of $30million for this year's recruiting class (likely a violation of Texas state law and the NCAA is investigating, not that Jimbo cares). The money Dawson is getting is likely coming from booster owned companies. They would have spent it on UNC in one way or the other.
Here's the A&M article about how it's being done: https://brobible.com/sports/article/texas-am-recruiting-class-nil-money/ (though the article in incorrect in saying it's legal. NIL money cannot be contingent on a recruit attending an institution or directly, or indirectly, facilitated by the institution).
"NCAA is investigating"...
When are all those punishments coming out for the coaches and programs involved in the FBi investigation?
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For a really good team, Purdue takes a lot of bad shots.
Purdue has been pretty “meh” since December
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I don't know if you saw the article last week about Texas A&M boosters allegedly shelling out upwards of $30million for this year's recruiting class (likely a violation of Texas state law and the NCAA is investigating, not that Jimbo cares). The money Dawson is getting is likely coming from booster owned companies. They would have spent it on UNC in one way or the other.
Here's the A&M article about how it's being done: https://brobible.com/sports/article/texas-am-recruiting-class-nil-money/ (though the article in incorrect in saying it's legal. NIL money cannot be contingent on a recruit attending an institution or directly, or indirectly, facilitated by the institution).
Really, not that many people care about this stuff anymore. If the kids get the money, it's fine.
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NM
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NM
Take that to the Hangin at the Al Board.
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Illinois played really well
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Didn't Mich St. lose to Northwestern? I'm starting to forget things as I get older.
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It’s always the same guys. Can’t know intent but Davison doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.
https://twitter.com/SteveBmSu/status/1484716132212908032?s=20
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Despite Davison being a dirtbag, the Spartans win in Madison. Look for many stories about Brad reading the Bible this week
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It’s always the same guys. Can’t know intent but Davison doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.
https://twitter.com/SteveBmSu/status/1484716132212908032?s=20
That looks pretty blatant to me. Kept his leg extended and trying to swing it at the guy. Same old. Same old.
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Really, not that many people care about this stuff anymore. If the kids get the money, it's fine.
Yep. The only kind of cheating that really should matter is academic -- like the huge scandal at UNC for more than a decade that the NCAA pretended didn't exist.
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That looks pretty blatant to me. Kept his leg extended and trying to swing it at the guy. Same old. Same old.
They do a disservice to Grayson Allen by mentioning him with Davison. Allen did a bunch of petulant chippy acting/lashing out. Davison plays flat out dirty and has a good half dozen blatant examples of actions that could seriously hurt an opponent, beyond just tripping or pushing someone.
If he truly is a good, nice guy off the court, he needs some therapy cause he’s got some wires crossed when competition is involved
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They do a disservice to Grayson Allen by mentioning him with Davison. Allen did a bunch of petulant chippy acting/lashing out. Davison plays flat out dirty and has a good half dozen blatant examples of actions that could seriously hurt an opponent, beyond just tripping or pushing someone.
If he truly is a good, nice guy off the court, he needs some therapy cause he’s got some wires crossed when competition is involved
Hope you didn’t Grayson’s foul last night. 😳
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It’s always the same guys. Can’t know intent but Davison doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.
https://twitter.com/SteveBmSu/status/1484716132212908032?s=20
It looks intentional to me..
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Hope you didn’t Grayson’s foul last night. 😳
That was some real dirty stuff.
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Don't be judge, jury, and executioner. We don't know what went on to get to that point. Caruso may have been pokin' at Allen's heritage or family. Besides, dis iz hour house and you kant just stroll down da lane untouched, aina?
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Duke taking Syracuse behind the woodshed
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It’s always the same guys. Can’t know intent but Davison doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.
https://twitter.com/SteveBmSu/status/1484716132212908032?s=20
What a detestable little piece of crap he is.
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What a detestable little piece of crap he is.
thug
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Relax, Grayson just plays the game with his piss on, hey?
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thug
Been like this since Duke.
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Add Bobby Hurley to the long list of failed K disciples.
He's not only losing big, but he's getting suspended and fined for being abusive to refs.
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Add Bobby Hurley to the long list of failed K disciples.
He's not only losing big, but he's getting suspended and fined for being abusive to refs.
The bottom of the PAC-12 is brutal
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Add Bobby Hurley to the long list of failed K disciples.
He's not only losing big, but he's getting suspended and fined for being abusive to refs.
I don't think I would call him a Coach K "disciple." He played for him, but never coached for him. He hooked on to his brother's staff at Wagner as a second career because he wasn't very good at raising thoroughbred horses.
I think his main problem was he worked his way up the ranks really quick and never really "paid his dues."
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I don't think I would call him a Coach K "disciple." He played for him, but never coached for him. He hooked on to his brother's staff at Wagner as a second career because he wasn't very good at raising thoroughbred horses.
I think his main problem was he worked his way up the ranks really quick and never really "paid his dues."
Reasonable.
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His brother did the exact opposite by the way. Spent time on the bench at Rutgers, coached high school for a decade before going to Wagner, and then spent six seasons at URI before moving to UConn. That's probably why his transition has been so much smoother.
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His brother did the exact opposite by the way. Spent time on the bench at Rutgers, coached high school for a decade before going to Wagner, and then spent six seasons at URI before moving to UConn. That's probably why his transition has been so much smoother.
Yep. Not to mention, given what we've seen now, wonder how much of Bobby's lightning in a bottle success at Buffalo was thanks to Nate Oats.
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Of course, one could argue that Dan hasn't proven much, either: 11 seasons (this is #12) at 3 schools, a .500-ish conference record, 3 NCAA appearances, 2 NCAAT wins.
He does seem to have more going for him than Bobby, though.
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Of course, one could argue that Dan hasn't proven much, either: 11 seasons (this is #12) at 3 schools, a .500-ish conference record, 3 NCAA appearances, 2 NCAAT wins.
He does seem to have more going for him than Bobby, though.
Is it alright that I have decided I don't like both of them and am mad at myself that I didn't come to that conclusion sooner?
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Of course, one could argue that Dan hasn't proven much, either: 11 seasons (this is #12) at 3 schools, a .500-ish conference record, 3 NCAA appearances, 2 NCAAT wins.
He does seem to have more going for him than Bobby, though.
Circumstances matter though.
Wagner was mediocre as hell under Deane. Only finished above .500 in conference once 7-8 years and won only 5 games before he was booted. In just 2 seasons, Hurley got them to a 25 win season, upsetting a ranked Pitt on the road, and finishing just behind a LIU team in the conference that had a strong run.
Then went to URI, which had done nothing post Harrick for 10+ years. Were aggressively "ok" under Baron, again under .500 in conference for the balance of a decade. Hurley turned them into the class of the A10 (which was rapidly improving) in the span of 5 years. Won the first URI NCAA game in 20 years and the first back to back NCAA appearances in that time.
That to me is a program builder/turnaround artist. Remains to be seen what he does fully at UCONN, but the work at those 2 schools, plus being an absolute beast at St Benedicts is a pretty solid coaching bonafide. Not sure what else he could have "proven" pre-UCONN.
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Circumstances matter though.
Wagner was mediocre as hell under Deane. Only finished above .500 in conference once 7-8 years and won only 5 games before he was booted. In just 2 seasons, Hurley got them to a 25 win season, upsetting a ranked Pitt on the road, and finishing just behind a LIU team in the conference that had a strong run.
Then went to URI, which had done nothing post Harrick for 10+ years. Were aggressively "ok" under Baron, again under .500 in conference for the balance of a decade. Hurley turned them into the class of the A10 (which was rapidly improving) in the span of 5 years. Won the first URI NCAA game in 20 years and the first back to back NCAA appearances in that time.
That to me is a program builder/turnaround artist. Remains to be seen what he does fully at UCONN, but the work at those 2 schools, plus being an absolute beast at St Benedicts is a pretty solid coaching bonafide. Not sure what else he could have "proven" pre-UCONN.
Danny is a good coach. He did great work at URI.
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Circumstances matter though.
That to me is a program builder/turnaround artist. Remains to be seen what he does fully at UCONN.
Agree. And agree.
Beyond that ... we'll see!
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Chris Mack is going to get fired tomorrow at this rate. He obviously can't come back next year, and getting annihilated at UVA is rock bottom.
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Chris Mack is going to get fired tomorrow at this rate. He obviously can't come back next year, and getting annihilated at UVA is rock bottom.
Would Xavier fire Steele and try to make a run at Mack again? A lot of fans are really unhappy with Steele
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Chris Mack is going to get fired tomorrow at this rate. He obviously can't come back next year, and getting annihilated at UVA is rock bottom.
Chris Mack is a great example why coaches are leery about leaving good jobs at power schools. He was set for life at Xavier, and while it was good of him to take a shot at Louisville, where he lands next is going to be interesting.
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Would Xavier fire Steele and try to make a run at Mack again? A lot of fans are really unhappy with Steele
probably not, but Butler will fire Jordan tonight if they thought they could get Mack.
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Chris Mack is a great example why coaches are leery about leaving good jobs at power schools. He was set for life at Xavier, and while it was good of him to take a shot at Louisville, where he lands next is going to be interesting.
I said at the time that Mack was making a big mistake . You don't mess with happy and success.
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Which is the best conf among the AAC, WCC, or ACC?
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Which is the best conf among the AAC, WCC, or ACC?
ACC and it isn’t close. I’m not even sure that the ACC is the worst major conference. Could be the P12.
AAC and WCC are close.
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I said at the time that Mack was making a big mistake . You don't mess with happy and success.
I think it’s 2 things.
1) Mack may have felt like he was topping out at Xavier. His last 3 teams had as good of talent as he ever had. Blueitt, Sumner, Marshall, Macura. His E8 run was kind of a fluke as that team wasn’t that great and the season before they were a 2 seed and got upset. Might not of felt like he was gonna be able to get a F4 at Xavier.
2) he got a BIIIIGGG pay bump. Went from 1.5ish to $4MM moving to Louisville. That coupled with the previous point is compelling. It’s not jumping to a P6 job at a crap school. You’re getting a big bump to head to a historic program.
3) not a likely top of kind consideration, but if he moved to Ville and struggled, especially given sanctions and everything, he’d have 0 issue getting a Xavier like job in short order
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Lots of whispers that Mack is out at Louisville. Tonight's radio show is cancelled and their Athletic Association board was called into a meeting not previously scheduled.
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Atlanta Journal Constitution article on Georgia Basketball
https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/no-quantifiable-measure-how-bad-georgia-basketball-wants-to-win/QLYI2AK65FEP3MAVDRJTCJLBDY/
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Lots of whispers that Mack is out at Louisville. Tonight's radio show is cancelled and their Athletic Association board was called into a meeting not previously scheduled.
Yeah, last night I was actually impressed that they came back against a putrid UVA team, they made a game out of it at least.
I thought if they got drubbed last night, there was no way he could coach another game there.
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I said at the time that Mack was making a big mistake . You don't mess with happy and success.
He's going to get fired, and his tenure there has been a failure, but he's going to walk away with $25 million for his time in Louisville and probably won't be unemployed for long (Hello, Butler?).
Not so bad for a big mistake.
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I’m here for the Louisville fanbase vs Marquette fanbase war over Shaka that is going to start tomorrow.
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He's going to get fired, and his tenure there has been a failure, but he's going to walk away with $25 million for his time in Louisville and probably won't be unemployed for long (Hello, Butler?).
Not so bad for a big mistake.
At one point they were ranked #1 during that failure of a tenure. He made one tourney and would have made a second in 2020 (having finished tied for second in the ACC, one game behind FSU). Their season was significantly shortened last season due to COVID positives, keeping them out of the tourney. And, of course, early in his tenure, there was that pesky FBI investigation.
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Louisville needs to correct their biggest mistake and bring back Rick Pitino
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At one point they were ranked #1 during that failure of a tenure. He made one tourney and would have made a second in 2020 (having finished tied for second in the ACC, one game behind FSU). Their season was significantly shortened last season due to COVID positives, keeping them out of the tourney. And, of course, early in his tenure, there was that pesky FBI investigation.
So, a successful tenure at Louisville includes:
- Zero NCAA tourney wins
- A six-game suspension for violating university policies and COVID regulations
- Reports that you threatened to pull scholarships of players over their performance
- Seeing your KenPom ranking fall from 9 to 59 to 114 over your final three seasons
- Getting fired midseason of year four
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Buzz to 'Ville!
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At one point they were ranked #1 during that failure of a tenure. He made one tourney and would have made a second in 2020 (having finished tied for second in the ACC, one game behind FSU). Their season was significantly shortened last season due to COVID positives, keeping them out of the tourney. And, of course, early in his tenure, there was that pesky FBI investigation.
FBI investigation?
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Mack is indeed now officially out.
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FBI investigation?
Dino Gaudio was being canned as an assistant and he tried to extort Mack with evidence of recruiting violations. The FBI was involved and Gaudio got lucky he didn’t go to prison
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FBI investigation?
The Brian Bowen/Christian Dawkins issue.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2020/05/04/louisville-basketball-fbi-recruiting-scandal-notice-allegations-what-to-know/2819144001/
Dino Gaudio was being canned as an assistant and he tried to extort Mack with evidence of recruiting violations. The FBI was involved and Gaudio got lucky he didn’t go to prison
"The new charges arise from the audiotape made by Mack of former assistant coach Dino Gaudio threatening to expose NCAA violations if he is not paid until September 2022. Gaudio was informed in March that his contract was not being renewed, and his extortion attempt of Mack ensued from that meeting."
https://www.si.com/college/louisville/basketball/gaudio-audio-transcript
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So Kofi is out due to concussion, but is sitting on the bench? I thought part of sitting out was avoiding too much noise and stimulus?
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Is there a more perfect match for Louisville than Bruce Pearl?
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I’m here for the Louisville fanbase vs Marquette fanbase war over Shaka that is going to start tomorrow.
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The Brian Bowen/Christian Dawkins issue.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2020/05/04/louisville-basketball-fbi-recruiting-scandal-notice-allegations-what-to-know/2819144001/
"The new charges arise from the audiotape made by Mack of former assistant coach Dino Gaudio threatening to expose NCAA violations if he is not paid until September 2022. Gaudio was informed in March that his contract was not being renewed, and his extortion attempt of Mack ensued from that meeting."
https://www.si.com/college/louisville/basketball/gaudio-audio-transcript
Oh.. Has the been any fallout from this? Was Louisville the only school caught by the FBI doing stuff?
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Oh.. Has the been any fallout from this? Was Louisville the only school caught by the FBI doing stuff?
Louisville kept successfully delaying it as they pushed it to the IRP and then had the notice amended with the other sanctions. It did loom over the program and hurt recruiting.
Mack should have done what Arizona did and start recruiting a bunch of international kids who had no idea what was going on with the program when they were recruited.
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He's going to get fired, and his tenure there has been a failure, but he's going to walk away with $25 million for his time in Louisville and probably won't be unemployed for long (Hello, Butler?).
Not so bad for a big mistake.
That's true. Butler or Gtown for Mack?
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Louisville kept successfully delaying it as they pushed it to the IRP and then had the notice amended with the other sanctions. It did loom over the program and hurt recruiting.
Mack should have done what Arizona did and start recruiting a bunch of international kids who had no idea what was going on with the program when they were recruited.
What was Louisville's punishment?
Arizona was also investigated by the FBI?
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Georgia beats Alabama now on the hardwood.
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Georgia beats Alabama now on the hardwood.
Shaka gave Tommy some coaching tips Sunday.
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Georgia beats Alabama now on the hardwood.
Georgia fans chanting "Just like football."
Ouch.
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There will be a population of Louisville fans who want to hire Shaka and will believe that if asked, Shaka would come running. They are incorrect
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Illinois did literally everything in their power to blow that game
But MSU wouldnt quite take it
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Sparty almost pulls off the comeback as Illinois pees down its leg in the final minutes. Terrible game across the board
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Sparty almost pulls off the comeback as Illinois pees down its leg in the final minutes. Terrible game across the board
I don't know what to make of the B14.
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What was Louisville's punishment?
Arizona was also investigated by the FBI?
The FBI doesn’t punish NCAA programs and refused to turn over their docs until late 2019, early 2020. NCAA investigators arrived on Arizona’s campus in March 2020. I guess something happened around then that slowed down the investigation. Any ideas?
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The FBI doesn’t punish NCAA programs and refused to turn over their docs until late 2019, early 2020. NCAA investigators arrived on Arizona’s campus in March 2020. I guess something happened around then that slowed down the investigation. Any ideas?
So the FBI investigation results and subsequent NCAA investigation and results and possible punishments at multiple schools are pending because covid slowed things down?
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The FBI investigations were dumb. Very few care because players just got the money they’d get through NIL now. The NCAA has evolved. Time to move on.
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Academic fraud is the only violation that matters, or it should be.
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So the FBI investigation results and subsequent NCAA investigation and results and possible punishments at multiple schools are pending because covid slowed things down?
The FBI refusing to turn over their docs, which the NCAA went to court to get, and the NCAA having to wait until the FBI was finished investigating was the main issue. Then COVID hit. Oh, there’s the issue of the NCAA not having subpoena power too.
https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/20/ncaa-basketball-fbi-scandal-lsu-oklahoma-state-updates
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The FBI refusing to turn over their docs, which the NCAA went to court to get, and the NCAA having to wait until the FBI was finished investigating was the main issue. Then COVID hit. Oh, there’s the issue of the NCAA not having subpoena power too.
https://www.si.com/college/2021/10/20/ncaa-basketball-fbi-scandal-lsu-oklahoma-state-updates
And the fact that many people really no longer care about this stuff.
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There will be a population of Louisville fans who want to hire Shaka and will believe that if asked, Shaka would come running. They are incorrect
I've seen a couple of Shaka mentions from Louisville fans but most of their fans are poo pooing the idea at this point. The most common names I have seen are Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson...which is just so on brand for Louisville fans.
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UCLA really handled AZ last night.
funny how often Walton told us about the NBA academy in Mexico City and it was moved to San Luis (Obispo?).
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I've seen a couple of Shaka mentions from Louisville fans but most of their fans are poo pooing the idea at this point. The most common names I have seen are Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson...which is just so on brand for Louisville fans.
Let's not throw stones.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61680.0
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61699.msg1327131#msg1327131
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=43326.msg603859#msg603859
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There will be a population of Louisville fans who want to hire Shaka and will believe that if asked, Shaka would come running. They are incorrect
will there? Seems like that's projection.
It's all about Pearl there and allegedly he is interested. Sampson will be mentioned, Kenny Payne, Scott Drew, Eric Mussleman, Nate Oats.
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It's all about Pearl there and allegedly he is interested.
Serious question. Why would he leave? Seems like Auburn is a good fit for him.
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Serious question. Why would he leave? Seems like Auburn is a good fit for him.
Better coeds at Louisville, well, less religious
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will there? Seems like that's projection.
It's all about Pearl there and allegedly he is interested. Sampson will be mentioned, Kenny Payne, Scott Drew, Eric Mussleman, Nate Oats.
Yes, there already is. He's not the main name being mentioned by their fans but as I already mentioned, his name has already been suggested by a few of their fans though the response has been negative but the majority of their fans.
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I've seen a couple of Shaka mentions from Louisville fans but most of their fans are poo pooing the idea at this point. The most common names I have seen are Bruce Pearl and Kelvin Sampson...which is just so on brand for Louisville fans.
I think Sampson would be a great hire for Louisville.
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Serious question. Why would he leave? Seems like Auburn is a good fit for him.
You ever heard of this thing called money?
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You ever heard of this thing called money?
Pearl makes just about the same that Mack did.
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Pearl makes just about the same that Mack did.
That's nuts, didn't expect Auburn to pony up a big wad for Mr. Pearl.
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That's nuts, didn't expect Auburn to pony up a big wad for Mr. Pearl.
I would assume he has a pretty big buyout clause if he wanted to leave as well.
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That's nuts, didn't expect Auburn to pony up a big wad for Mr. Pearl.
SEC booster money is next level. Nate Oats getting a fat contract probably didn't hurt in terms of keeping up with the enemy.
Program in a conference with rich basketball history, but not much of their own. Gets their first E8 in 30+ years and their first FF. They were a top 5 seed the pandemic year. After Lebo and Barbee, they are more than happy to back up the truck to keep him happy.
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SEC booster money is next level. Nate Oats getting a fat contract probably didn't hurt in terms of keeping up with the enemy.
Program in a conference with rich basketball history, but not much of their own. Gets their first E8 in 30+ years and their first FF. They were a top 5 seed the pandemic year. After Lebo and Barbee, they are more than happy to back up the truck to keep him happy.
Booster money plus TV money. Money to burn on basketball coaches, even at schools with so-so history in basketball
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That's nuts, didn't expect Auburn to pony up a big wad for Mr. Pearl.
Shows the power of football money. I bet half the students at Auburn don't even know name of the basketball coach. 100% would trade the #1 ranking in basketball for football. Same Alabama, Georgia, MSU, Texas, TCU, etc.
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Of all the names thrown around, Sampson makes the most sense.
Definitely would be a step up, the money will be huge, his history fits Louisville's basketball culture, and he knows he could win big there. Would he want the scrutiny that goes with it? I assume he's confident enough in his abilities that it wouldn't stop him from taking it.
Pearl fits, too. He'd slide right in there if he wanted to be at a basketball school.
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Shows the power of football money. I bet half the students at Auburn don't even know name of the basketball coach. 100% would trade the #1 ranking in basketball for football. Same Alabama, Georgia, MSU, Texas, TCU, etc.
Thats just patently false. I agree with most of the rest, but come on. They made a Final Four a couple years ago and are the #1 team in the country. Thats not met with ambivalence, even at a football school. I assure you most everyone in Austin knew who Rick Barnes and Shaka were.
Auburn is a big college town in the middle of nowhere. Every game has been a sellout this year and would be if the arena sat 15K instead of 9.
Is football way more important and they'd trade it all for a CFP berth? Of course. But to act like its an after thought is silly. Same with UF during the Billy Donovan years.
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I wouldn't be shocked if half the Auburn student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Just like I wouldn't be shocked if half the Marquette student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Not everybody is into basketball.
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Thats just patently false. I agree with most of the rest, but come on. They made a Final Four a couple years ago and are the #1 team in the country. Thats not met with ambivalence, even at a football school. I assure you most everyone in Austin knew who Rick Barnes and Shaka were.
Auburn is a big college town in the middle of nowhere. Every game has been a sellout this year and would be if the arena sat 15K instead of 9.
Is football way more important and they'd trade it all for a CFP berth? Of course. But to act like its an after thought is silly. Same with UF during the Billy Donovan years.
I completely forgot that Auburn made the Final Four back in 2019. Mostly because I was at a beer tasting for charity that afternoon and slept through the first semifinal.
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I completely forgot that Auburn made the Final Four back in 2019. Mostly because I was at a beer tasting for charity that afternoon and slept through the first semifinal.
Even the most ardent basketball fans quickly forget who lose the semifinal games at the Final 4.
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I completely forgot that Auburn made the Final Four back in 2019. Mostly because I was at a beer tasting for charity that afternoon and slept through the first semifinal.
I forgot too, and I was at the damn game. Never sit high up for a basketball game in a football stadium. Worst viewing experience of my life.
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Rumors flying that Dawson Garcia is done at North Carolina.
Illness in the family and he’s been back in Minnesota for the last week. Hoping for the best for him and his family.
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I completely "forgot" that Auburn made the Final Four back in 2019. Mostly because I was at a beer tasting "for charity" that afternoon and "slept" through the first semifinal.
Fixed that for you ;D
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Fixed that for you ;D
True....
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I wouldn't be shocked if half the Auburn student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Just like I wouldn't be shocked if half the Marquette student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Not everybody is into basketball.
I would bet right now half couldn't name the Auburn's football coaches name.
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and interesting rumor out of Louisville: Kenny Payne for coach at Dewayne Peevey (current DePaul AD) as the AD. Peevey courted Payne hard this past offseason but DePaul's administration refused to pony up ($1.5million was the max he was allowed to give). Peevey was at UK for a long time and has an EMBA from Louisville.
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I have a friend who is the associate head coach of the volleyball team at Auburn. She just shared a story on Instagram from their gymnastics competition. The 9,000 seat arena is jam packed and the crowd is absolutely rocking.
My guess is the community knows who their basketball coach is, especially since he has them ranked first in the country.
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I have a friend who is the associate head coach of the volleyball team at Auburn. She just shared a story on Instagram from their gymnastics competition. The 9,000 seat arena is jam packed and the crowd is absolutely rocking.
My guess is the community knows who their basketball coach is, especially since he has them ranked first in the country.
Yeah collegiate gymnastics is quite the big deal down here in SEC land. My daughter is a gymnast so we’ve been to many meets over at UGA. Lots of fun and sellout crowds with tons of energy.
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I wouldn't be shocked if half the Auburn student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Just like I wouldn't be shocked if half the Marquette student body couldn't name the basketball coach.
Not everybody is into basketball.
I would definitely be shocked if half of the MU student body couldn’t name the coach.
I don’t think you need to be “into” basketball to hear and feel the buzz around Shaka on campus.
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I have a friend who is the associate head coach of the volleyball team at Auburn. She just shared a story on Instagram from their gymnastics competition. The 9,000 seat arena is jam packed and the crowd is absolutely rocking.
My guess is the community knows who their basketball coach is, especially since he has them ranked first in the country.
Olympic Gold Medalist Suni Lee competes for Auburn Gymnastics.
https://twitter.com/jeff_shearer/status/1487297447701454848?t=1vXQ8MIOYmxZn_O0qTLmbw&s=19
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1487258038922891268?s=21
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How 'bout dat lifetime contract, hey?
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How 'bout dat lifetime contract, hey?
Contract with the devil, hey?
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Things appear to be going well at Texas.
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Total schadenfreude, but it's a real shame what Memphis and Michigan are going through this season
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Total schadenfreude, but it's a real shame what Memphis and Michigan are going through this season
Memphis, yes. But Michigan?
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Cockburn laid the wood on Wisconsin today.
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Cockburn laid the wood on Wisconsin today.
Oh.....yes. Only 16/19 with 37 pts? Do we have a Jamaican or Caribbean scout? :)
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Oh.....yes. Only 16/19 with 37 pts? Do we have a Jamaican or Caribbean scout? :)
He moved to NYC as a teen and went to HS there. Buddy Hield went to HS in the states as well.
Angel Delgado, DR team star, went to HS in NJ. JJ Barea in Miami.
International scouts for Europe or Australia/NZ make sense. But all the best Island talent plays ball in the US by and large. 8-)
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Will Crean be back? I assume no? I was just curious about the Georgia roster.
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UCLA/Arizona. both looked dialed in last night. Arizona has a couple of wide bigs of the type that scare me. Gonzaga was on at the same time. Holmgren is so skinny but so smooth. If MU were to play them, Osa and OMP would probably have the best chance against him. I think Lewis can guard Timme as well as anyone. Gonzaga is just so efficient in their sets.
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UCLA/Arizona. both looked dialed in last night. Arizona has a couple of wide bigs of the type that scare me. Gonzaga was on at the same time. Holmgren is so skinny but so smooth. If MU were to play them, Osa and OMP would probably have the best chance against him. I think Lewis can guard Timme as well as anyone. Gonzaga is just so efficient in their sets.
Speaking of Arizona/UCLA, not good for a former recruit.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33213311/ucla-bruins-mac-etienne-arrested-appearing-spit-arizona-fans (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33213311/ucla-bruins-mac-etienne-arrested-appearing-spit-arizona-fans)
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UCLA/Arizona. both looked dialed in last night. Arizona has a couple of wide bigs of the type that scare me. Gonzaga was on at the same time. Holmgren is so skinny but so smooth. If MU were to play them, Osa and OMP would probably have the best chance against him. I think Lewis can guard Timme as well as anyone. Gonzaga is just so efficient in their sets.
For my money, Arizona is the best team in the country.
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Gonna be a short run at the top for zona when all those ruinous punishments finally get announced
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For my money, Arizona is the second-best team in the country.
FIFY.
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For my money, Arizona is the best team in the country.
I'd take Gonzaga and Auburn over them in a heartbeat. UCLA handled them pretty comfortably at home last week and Zona looked pretty pedestrian against ASU. They're really good, but I don't think they're the cream of the crop
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I'd take Gonzaga and Auburn over them in a heartbeat. UCLA handled them pretty comfortably at home last week and Zona looked pretty pedestrian against ASU. They're really good, but I don't think they're the cream of the crop
Tubelis at less than 100% has skewed their rotation a bit. Once/If he gets back to 100%, they'll be a true force.
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FIFY.
Gonzaga last season was a bit more dynamic than they are this season with Suggs running the show. They undoubtedly still have Final Four talent, but I don't think they'll be able to get over the hump this season. Not enough depth if plan A doesn't work against another premier team.
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Arizona and UCLA are both final 4 good. Both are national championship good. I think there are more potential champs this year than in recent years. There will also be a lot of upsets in March because of overseeded teams.
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Arizona and UCLA are both final 4 good. Both are national championship good. I think there are more potential champs this year than in recent years. There will also be a lot of upsets in March because of overseeded teams.
Agree - I don't see a dominant team this year.
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Agree - I don't see a dominant team this year.
Gonzaga, UCLA, Arizona, Baylor, Kentucky, Auburn, Houston and Duke are all legit national title contenders at the moment. I could be wrong but that list seems bigger than most years
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Gonzaga, UCLA, Arizona, Baylor, Kentucky, Auburn, Houston and Duke are all legit national title contenders at the moment. I could be wrong but that list seems bigger than most years
I'd take Duke out and replace them with Illinois but I agree with your larger point. Lots of solid, talented teams at the top without a clear cut top team.
Gonzaga probably the consensus top team, but it's so challenging for me to lock them in as a title contender playing mostly low majors throughout their conference season.
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I'd take Duke out and replace them with Illinois but I agree with your larger point. Lots of solid, talented teams at the top without a clear cut top team.
Gonzaga probably the consensus top team, but it's so challenging for me to lock them in as a title contender playing mostly low majors throughout their conference season.
I use teams in KenPom top 20 offense and defense to gauge real contenders. Illinois is just outside looking in and that can change in a month.
Baylor finished 22nd in defense last year but were top-10 most of the year defensively. UConn 2014 is the outlier
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I use teams in KenPom top 20 offense and defense to gauge real contenders. Illinois is just outside looking in and that can change in a month.
Baylor finished 22nd in defense last year but were top-10 most of the year defensively. UConn 2014 is the outlier
Fair enough - I'll take a battle tested Big 10, veteran Illinois team over a young Duke team any day of the week.
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Fair enough - I'll take a battle tested Big 10, veteran Illinois team over a young Duke team any day of the week.
Like I said, those numbers can change in a months span and Illinois could fall into my parameters.
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Like I said, those numbers can change in a months span and Illinois could fall into my parameters.
Are those your proprietary parameters?
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Are those your proprietary parameters?
Not without a lawsuit
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Not without a lawsuit
lol
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Gonzaga, UCLA, Arizona, Baylor, Kentucky, Auburn, Houston and Duke are all legit national title contenders at the moment. I could be wrong but that list seems bigger than most years
Houston will not be winning the national title
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Houston will not be winning the national title
Probably not
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Gonzaga, UCLA, Arizona, Baylor, Kentucky, Auburn, Houston and Duke are all legit national title contenders at the moment. I could be wrong but that list seems bigger than most years
I would definitely add Purdue to that list.
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Houston will not be winning the national title
No, but picking them to the Final Four last season won me my bracket!
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I would definitely add Purdue to that list.
Purdue's defense is very bad. Well, very bad for a potential final four team. They have the best offense in basketball but defense wins championships and they are lacking it.
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I would definitely add Purdue to that list.
Final 4 good, not title good
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I use teams in KenPom top 20 offense and defense to gauge real contenders. Illinois is just outside looking in and that can change in a month.
Baylor finished 22nd in defense last year but were top-10 most of the year defensively. UConn 2014 is the outlier
Here's a good breakdown:
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-31/mens-college-basketball-national-championship-history-heres-where-recent (https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-12-31/mens-college-basketball-national-championship-history-heres-where-recent)
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Purdue's defense is very bad. Well, very bad for a potential final four team. They have the best offense in basketball but defense wins championships and they are lacking it.
Yes, but they're still dangerous imo.
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I'm excited to see Gonzaga crap the bed in the tournament. Pretty soon they have to play some road games!
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Final 4 good, not title good
Obviously. They're gonna lose to us!
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I'm excited to see Gonzaga crap the bed in the tournament. Pretty soon they have to play some road games!
I mean they demolished UCLA on a neutral floor and totally handled TTU on a neutral floor as well but go off!
They had one loss to a VERY good Duke team and another to a Jekyll and Hyde Bama team that beat Gonzaga and Houston in the span of a week, plus beat Baylor and stuck with Auburn.
I think the "Gonzaga's schedule is soft they'll trip against real teams" is a bit played out given their non conference scheduling the last few years and their recent tourney performances.
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And they lost in the championship game last year. If that’s “crapping the bed…”
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And they lost in the championship game last year. If that’s “crapping the bed…”
A literal crapshoot
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St. Bonny lost again. As I said in Nov, people needed to cool their jets on that ball club. They likely won't make the tournament let alone the S16.
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I mean they demolished UCLA on a neutral floor and totally handled TTU on a neutral floor as well but go off!
They had one loss to a VERY good Duke team and another to a Jekyll and Hyde Bama team that beat Gonzaga and Houston in the span of a week, plus beat Baylor and stuck with Auburn.
I think the "Gonzaga's schedule is soft they'll trip against real teams" is a bit played out given their non conference scheduling the last few years and their recent tourney performances.
Don't care. Don't like em.
The main joke is that they have played TWO true road games all year. It's February.
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Don't care. Don't like em.
The main joke is that they have played TWO true road games all year. It's February.
Then just say you don’t like them and hope they fail. Instead of making emotional comments that have no true basis. 2 S16s, 2 E8s, and 2 title games in their last 6 NCAAs isn’t the mark of a team destined fall flat in March. And multiple top 5 wins last year, and plenty of top 10 wins away from home the last few years kind of defeats the “play nobody” angle. Guess what, they play the neutral court games cause nobody big wants to go to Spokane for a home and home.
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UCLA redshirt freshman forward Mac Etienne received a police citation for appearing to spit in the direction of Arizona fans on Thursday night following the No. 3 Bruins' 76-66 loss to the No. 7 Wildcats. Etienne, who is not playing this season while rehabbing a knee injury, was captured on video in what appeared to be a heated verbal exchange with Arizona fans as UCLA returned to the locker room following the game.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ucla-forward-mac-etienne-cited-by-police-after-allegedly-spitting-at-arizona-fan-after-bruins-loss/
I think Marquette recruited him, no? Or am I misremembering?
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UCLA redshirt freshman forward Mac Etienne received a police citation for appearing to spit in the direction of Arizona fans on Thursday night following the No. 3 Bruins' 76-66 loss to the No. 7 Wildcats. Etienne, who is not playing this season while rehabbing a knee injury, was captured on video in what appeared to be a heated verbal exchange with Arizona fans as UCLA returned to the locker room following the game.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ucla-forward-mac-etienne-cited-by-police-after-allegedly-spitting-at-arizona-fan-after-bruins-loss/
I think Marquette recruited him, no? Or am I misremembering?
We did
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WVU is absolutely worthless
Man that win is turning to trash.
They get up just about every game but they cannot ever hold a lead.
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Rutgers up by 13 on Michigan State on FS1. The RAC is jumping.
Kansas crushing Baylor.
Auburn needed a last second shot to beat Crean and Georgia.
Illinois took it to Indiana in the final 11 minutes. That Marquette win is looking great!
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Izzo looks very unhappy.
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The Fred Hoiberg era in Lincoln is not going as planned.
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Watching Illinois this week, MU certainly benefitted from Cockburn's absence.
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The Fred Hoiberg era in Lincoln is not going as planned.
I remember when they made a statement hiring both Scott Frost and him.
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I’ve watched MSU several times this year.
So UN-Izzo like. Sloppy. Not very good at all.
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Watching Illinois this week, MU certainly benefitted from Cockburn's absence.
We also lucked out that Curbelo played.
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I’ve watched MSU several times this year.
So UN-Izzo like. Sloppy. Not very good at all.
I think it’s a bad roster mix. Plenty of talented players, just don’t work great together for long stretches
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I think it’s a bad roster mix. Plenty of talented players, just don’t work great together for long stretches
Joey’s primed with his #2 pencil.
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Has the ACC ever been this bad before.
You could make a legitimate argument that they should be a 1-bid league.
UNC has a solid NET (36), but is 0-6 against Q1. Shameful for the talent they have on the roster.
I know braketology has the ACC with 4 teams in, but man nothing is exciting about the 3 not named Duke...pretty sure those other 3 would be out if they played in any other conference.
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Penn St. has 3 total points in 12+ mins .
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Has the ACC ever been this bad before.
You could make a legitimate argument that they should be a 1-bid league.
UNC has a solid NET (36), but is 0-6 against Q1. Shameful for the talent they have on the roster.
I know braketology has the ACC with 4 teams in, but man nothing is exciting about the 3 not named Duke...pretty sure those other 3 would be out if they played in any other conference.
This is their worst showing in the KenPom era. They were bad in 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2019-20 but not this bad. They’re closer to the Valley than they are the Big XII, the highest ranked conference
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Texas A&M beaten at home by Mizzou (NET:148; KenPom: 135). Sixth straight loss for the Aggies.
Buzz may need that five years to judge.
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Penn St. has 3 total points in 12+ mins .
Just some really bad basketball all around.
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Good game on Fox between USC/Zona. USC is not s team I hope to match-up with in the tournament. They're enormous.
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Good game on Fox between USC/Zona. USC is not s team I hope to match-up with in the tournament. They're enormous.
Pretty physical game
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Good game on Fox between USC/Zona. USC is not s team I hope to match-up with in the tournament. They're enormous.
They are enormous but they alternatively look like a mid PAC 12 team and a top 10 team game to game. They are prone to absolutely disappear offensively
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They are enormous but they alternatively look like a mid PAC 12 team and a top 10 team game to game. They are prone to absolutely disappear offensively
They can't shoot but they have a lot of athletes and super physical. Zona has to be thrilled to have Lloyd instead of Miller. I thought MU should have targeted TL about 4yrs ago.
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They can't shoot but they have a lot of athletes and super physical. Zona has to be thrilled to have Lloyd instead of Miller. I thought MU should have targeted TL about 4yrs ago.
USC will likely be more athletic than a lot of opponents but the offense is clunky
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No bueno.
@GoodmanHoops: Duke beats UNC in Chapel Hill by 20.
UNC has now lost 5 of its 7 games by at least 17 points.
Tennesse - 17
Duke - 20
Wake - 22
Miami - 28
Kentucky - 29
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No bueno.
@GoodmanHoops: Duke beats UNC in Chapel Hill by 20.
UNC has now lost 5 of its 7 games by at least 17 points.
Tennesse - 17
Duke - 20
Wake - 22
Miami - 28
Kentucky - 29
That's not an NCAA tournament team.
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USF fouled intentionally up 2 with 6 seconds left. Portland hit the front end of the 1-1, and missed the back end. USF won.
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Oregon -4
This is the definition of a bad beat
Trash ass team should not dance
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Bad ASU team beats UCLA in 3OT. Bobby Hurley fouled up 3 at the end and it worked out.
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Bad ASU team beats UCLA in 3OT. Bobby Hurley fouled up 3 at the end and it worked out.
UCLA scored 2 points in the last 4:45 of the second OT. At that point they deserved to lose
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That's not an NCAA tournament team.
But wait... the great Jay Bilas said on the broadcast that UNC is in the tourney, no doubt about it.
Although I bet Jay has 7-9 ACC teams in the NCAA in his mind. Billy Packard Jr.
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But wait... the great Jay Bilas said on the broadcast that UNC is in the tourney, no doubt about it.
Although I bet Jay has 7-9 ACC teams in the NCAA in his mind. Billy Packard Jr.
UNC doesn't deserve a spot. But they are 42 still in the NET and have only 1 game left (Duke) that is a tournament team. As long as they win the games they are supposed to, they will end up in. Most likely without a single Q1 win.
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But wait... the great Jay Bilas said on the broadcast that UNC is in the tourney, no doubt about it.
Although I bet Jay has 7-9 ACC teams in the NCAA in his mind. Billy Packard Jr.
Yes. And he's also the same guy who said St. Bonny was a S16 team and Hinrich should go higher in the draft than Wade.
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Good news: Marquette Hall of Famer nearly upsets #1 Auburn.
Bad news: UGA now 6-17, 1-9 in conference in TC’s 4th year. Overall, he’s 47-66, 15-49 in conference play.
Is 4 years enough to judge?
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https://twitter.com/jdubesesq/status/1490300642396626946?s=21
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He is messing with their happy. And kudos to poor TAMU. He has been scrupulous about not dishing about a fellow Aggie employee. It can't be easy.
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He is messing with their happy. And kudos to poor TAMU. He has been scrupulous about not dishing about a fellow Aggie employee. It can't be easy.
Have to imagine a friendly media member will be doing a Buzz’s Kids story
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Is Kofi Cockburn's game just not useful in 2022 at the NBA level? Most mocks don't have him I'm the first round. It seems to me he should be able to find a place. I like the kid.
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Massive choke by Duke. Hate to see it, hate to see it
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Arizona State on fire out of the gate. 16-3 on #4 Arizona on FS1.
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Arizona State on fire out of the gate. 16-3 on #4 Arizona on FS1.
That ended in a hurry.
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Better pro Jonny Davis or Agbaji?
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https://twitter.com/jdubesesq/status/1490300642396626946?s=21
Oh. Darn.
What a shame.
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Better pro Jonny Davis or Agbaji?
Agbaji, if he can continue to shoot like this/improve. Similar size to Davis but a much better athlete
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Agbaji, if he can continue to shoot like this/improve. Similar size to Davis but a much better athlete
I think I'm with you JWags. He's better going to the rim than I realized.
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Massive choke by Duke. Hate to see it, hate to see it
Shot made by former MU target Reece Beekman. We made one of his final lists if I recall correctly.
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If MU plays Kansas at some point.
Just guard the hell outta this Harris guy. My god is he clueless with the ball.
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Kansas is so damn dumb.
You know they are going to foul up 3. Harris decides not shoot and drops it back to Wilson who instead of shooting the 3 tries to dribble and gets intentionally fouled. Shoot the ball.
Utah did the same thing vs Oregon the other day
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Texas fouled up 3 vs. KU and the strategy worked to perfection.
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Texas storms the court, yikes.
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The officiating in the Arkansas/Auburn game is some of the worst I’ve ever seen. 4 straight moving screens called on 4 straight possessions then about 5 touch fouls and an offensive foul on Jabari Smith for his 2nd that was baffling.
Couple that with ice cold shooting and a potentially really fun game turned ugly quick
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IU dressing 7 scholarship players. 5 suspended for smoking pot.
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Who ya got Illinois or Purdue?
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IU dressing 7 scholarship players. 5 suspended for smoking pot.
Box score showing that Bates may of been 1 of them
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Texas A&M lost again.
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If Ivey can find a consistent jumper he's going to be a really good pro. The kid is electric in the open floor and of course has hoppability.
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Oh....boy. That could be a season ending injury for Frazier. Gotta feel for the kid.
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Oh....boy. That could be a season ending injury for Frazier. Gotta feel for the kid.
Banged knees, hes fine
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I’m worried if MU winds up in a 6/11 or 7/10 game in March and Wyoming is the first round draw.
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Mighty Pacific up 8 vs USC.
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Mighty Pacific up 8 vs USC.
JINX
Also, I don't know if you intended it, but until this summer, Pacific was coached by and this entire team recruited by...Damon Stoudamire, aka Mighty Mouse
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JINX
Also, I don't know if you intended it, but until this summer, Pacific was coached by and this entire team recruited by...Damon Stoudamire, aka Mighty Mouse
I didn't know that but it's nice to onow you root for diminutive athletes. Maybe he can give Kam Jones a few pointers or handles lessons?
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Here's an outstanding photo: Arkansas coach Eric Musselman, shirtless, celebrates with the fans after the team upset No. 1 Auburn ...
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Better pro Jonny Davis or Agbaji?
Agbaji has a high floor as a 3 & D player, but lacks the ability to create shots for himself and others. Still, a Desmond Bane type impact is possible.
Davis can create off the dribble, especially in pick and roll, for himself and occasionally for others. But I think Davis has a wider variance in possible outcomes. He should be at least as good as Jordan Poole. Can he be as good as Allan Houston, or perhaps even Devin Booker?
Davis would have to keep improving his shot, and probably quite a bit, to approach Booker status. But I still think he has a higher upside than Agbaji.
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Agbaji has a high floor as a 3 & D player, but lacks the ability to create shots for himself and others. Still, a Desmond Bane type impact is possible.
Davis can create off the dribble, especially in pick and roll, for himself and occasionally for others. But I think Davis has a wider variance in possible outcomes. He should be at least as good as Jordan Poole. Can he be as good as Allan Houston, or perhaps even Devin Booker?
Davis would have to keep improving his shot, and probably quite a bit, to approach Booker status. But I still think he has a higher upside than Agbaji.
I don’t think he can be the shooter Booker is. I like the Poole comp in a lot of ways. Think he has a higher ceiling but there are far worse players to be similar to.
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I don’t think he can be the shooter Booker is. I like the Poole comp in a lot of ways. Think he has a higher ceiling but there are far worse players to be similar to.
Yea, Davis has a long way to go to even project near Booker.
And I'd hope he'd have a higher ceiling than Poole as he's projected as a lottery pick where as Poole wasn't even really thought to be a first rounder when he comes out. Poole is a quicker/better athlete, but Davis has a more solid build, so it probably evens out.
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Yea, Davis has a long way to go to even project near Booker.
And I'd hope he'd have a higher ceiling than Poole as he's projected as a lottery pick where as Poole wasn't even really thought to be a first rounder when he comes out. Poole is a quicker/better athlete, but Davis has a more solid build, so it probably evens out.
Davis ceiling is probably higher? Both exploded as sophomores. Poole didn’t have to carry a team and be a volume player, either. Poole is in a good situation, too. That can make such a difference for how a guy develops
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Poole also had the advantage of a college offense that used a lot of pro actions. Steeper learning curve for Davis there.
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No doubt Davis would have to make 2 or 3 more big jumps, especially shooting wise, to become a Booker type star.
That's why I used Poole as a different player comp, one that is more attainable. That gives us a range of player outcomes.
I have high confidence Davis can be as good as Poole, if not a notch better. Slim chance Davis is as good as Booker, but I wouldn't have it as a nonzero chance either. It might only be a 2% chance but it's a chance.
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Johnny Davis much better than Jordan Poole? As good as Devin Booker? Come on. Sure, as KG once said about winning a title with 4 HOF players on the roster, "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!" But both of those players are very, very good. The smart bet would be that Davis does not get to what Poole or (especially) Booker are. I mean, Booker is a top 25 player in the NBA at 25 years old, and has averaged 23 points per game in his 7 years in the NBA (starting at age 19).
And I think people are wildly underrating Poole. He's 22 years old, playing 30 minutes per game for one of the two best teams in the NBA, and averaging 17 points, 3.5 assists, and 3 rebounds per game.
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Johnny Davis much better than Jordan Poole? As good as Devin Booker? Come on. Sure, as KG once said about winning a title with 4 HOF players on the roster, "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!" But both of those players are very, very good. The smart bet would be that Davis does not get to what Poole or (especially) Booker are. I mean, Booker is a top 25 player in the NBA at 25 years old, and has averaged 23 points per game in his 7 years in the NBA (starting at age 19).
And I think people are wildly underrating Poole. He's 22 years old, playing 30 minutes per game for one of the two best teams in the NBA, and averaging 17 points, 3.5 assists, and 3 rebounds per game.
Been a Poole stan for awhile. Not sleeping on him at all. Repping Milwaukee well
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Before that Arkansas win last night, the dopes who play for Auburn stomped on the Razorback logo.
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Before that Arkansas win last night, the dopes who play for Auburn stomped on the Razorback logo.
The logo covers like 70% of their court. They were probably just doing layup lines and Muss just wanted to fire his team up.
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The logo covers like 70% of their court. They were probably just doing layup lines and Muss just wanted to fire his team up.
Uh ... no.
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SMU fouls up 3 … Hou makes first FT and then commits violation while missing intentionally … Down 2, Hou fouls SMU … SMU guy makes first FT but misses second … SMU fouls up 3 again … BUT IT’S CALLED IN THE ACT OF SHOOTING … Hou can tie but guy badly misses first FT, makes second, and on the third again commits a violation going for missed FT rebound.
Crazy last 7 seconds!
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SMU fouls up 3 … Hou makes first FT and then commits violation while missing intentionally … Hou fouls SMU … SMU guy makes first FT but misses second … SMU fouls up 3 again … BUT IT’S CALLED IN THE ACT … Hou can tie but guy badly misses first FT, makes second and again commits a violation going for missed FT rebound.
Crazy last 7 seconds!
Hou in HouWarrior is for UH, my other alma mater. 2022 is a good year, but we could have been better. My best guess is Sweet 16 this year maybe better next year. Details:
UH has been heading toward a loss against some weaker conf team for some time They somehow held on to an upper tier ranking , even after they lost their best two guys Marcus Sasser and guard Tramon Mark , by very solid defense and strong rebounding.
Kelvin Sampson can flat out coach He will stay at UH
It has completed practice and arena upgrades and has Tillman Fertitta $
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60S0YYbwM_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zWDOBdb-N4&t=521s
UH lined up Kelvins son as coach in waiting and even has his daughter on payroll
One ESPN five star (no one pfwd) and two four stars come in next year
***** Jarace Walker PF Signed 92
**** Terrance Arceneaux SF Signed 83
**** Emanuel Sharp SG Signed 82
UH is a rebuilt rejuvenated and solid program once again
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Hou in HouWarrior is for UH, my other alma mater. 2022 is a good year, but we could have been better. My best guess is Sweet 16 this year maybe better next year. Details:
UH has been heading toward a loss against some weaker conf team for some time They somehow held on to an upper tier ranking , even after they lost their best two guys Marcus Sasser and guard Tramon Mark , by very solid defense and strong rebounding.
Kelvin Sampson can flat out coach He will stay at UH
It has completed practice and arena upgrades and has Tillman Fertitta $
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60S0YYbwM_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zWDOBdb-N4&t=521s
UH lined up Kelvins son as coach in waiting and even has his daughter on payroll
One ESPN five star (no one pfwd) and two four stars come in next year
***** Jarace Walker PF Signed 92
**** Terrance Arceneaux SF Signed 83
**** Emanuel Sharp SG Signed 82
UH is a rebuilt rejuvenated and solid program once again
Glad you've got a fun team in your town to watch, not to mention your "inferior" alma mater!
That was a hell of a finish last night. SMU tried real hard to give it to your guys by missing their own FTs and then fouling in the act of shooting up 3, but Houston refused to take it!
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Interesting piece on Steve Forbes' quick rebuilding of the Wake Forest program ...
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article258231698.html
There was still plenty of time on the clock when Steve Forbes walked almost the length of the Wake Forest bench slapping hands. The Demon Deacons were in the middle of a 16-0 run to close out their first win over N.C. State in three seasons, and it was less about celebrating that Wednesday night than Wake Forest’s first 20-win season since 2010.
Wake Forest suddenly has a lot to celebrate. After Forbes’ first fitful season at Wake Forest, it’s been an instantaneous turnaround in the second. His quick-fix approach has fixed Wake Forest, and quickly. The Demon Deacons are back to where the school and its fans have always believed they should be, and on track for their second NCAA tournament appearance since that 2010 season, four coaches ago.
“Respect is a hard thing to get back once you lose it,” Forbes said after Wednesday’s 69-51 win. “We’re starting to gain back the respect Wake Forest once had in this league, where we belong. But we’re not satisfied. Twenty wins is a good season. Twenty-five or 30 is special.”
Wake Forest hasn’t won more than 24 games since 2005. It’d be a shock if the Deacons don’t get there before they leave Brooklyn next month.
“There’s a lot of first times this year, not only for myself but for the team,” said guard Daivien Williamson, a Winston-Salem native who followed Forbes to Wake Forest from East Tennessee State. “It feels good.”
Wake Forest is very much a team for college basketball in 2022, built not through recruiting and developing players but plucking them off the shelf in the talent Wal-Mart that is the transfer portal.
Only Isaiah Mucius is left from Danny Manning’s ill-fated regime that only ended 22 months ago. The rest of the roster has been built on the fly since Forbes arrived in Winston-Salem, with a few freshmen but mostly transfers and junior-college players and in some cases both.
That’s the case of Williams, by far Wake Forest’s best player and a potential ACC Player of the Year candidate, who started out at a junior college and played two very vanilla years at Oklahoma that did nothing to hint at the explosiveness within.
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If Forbes keeps it going, opens up an interesting discussion about career paths and hiring at the major schools. Chris Beard, Mussleman, Steve Forbes, all guys who proved they are very good HC material by performing exceptionally well at lower levels. I'm not saying you hire a great Juco or lower level coach straight away, but those are the interesting assistants to look at
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Johnny Davis much better than Jordan Poole? As good as Devin Booker? Come on. Sure, as KG once said about winning a title with 4 HOF players on the roster, "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!" But both of those players are very, very good. The smart bet would be that Davis does not get to what Poole or (especially) Booker are. I mean, Booker is a top 25 player in the NBA at 25 years old, and has averaged 23 points per game in his 7 years in the NBA (starting at age 19).
And I think people are wildly underrating Poole. He's 22 years old, playing 30 minutes per game for one of the two best teams in the NBA, and averaging 17 points, 3.5 assists, and 3 rebounds per game.
Bottom line is Booker's datin' Kendall and Davis izant. Therefore, Booker>Davis, aina?
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Glad you've got a fun team in your town to watch, not to mention your "inferior" alma mater!
That was a hell of a finish last night. SMU tried real hard to give it to your guys by missing their own FTs and then fouling in the act of shooting up 3, but Houston refused to take it!
The go to guy is usually difference in close games where mistakes, key shots or FTs are deciding the outcome.
MU (by no means the inferior alma mater, btw) can go to Lewis or Morsell, in key times and expect them to perform
UH lacked Sasser at SMU...the type of player who would have taken control of those late moments
In the NCAA you hope your seed gets you one or two early wins...but in advancing UH will almost certainly have a close, tricky to close out, game. No Sasser will mean a Sweet 16 flame out this year for UH
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If Forbes keeps it going, opens up an interesting discussion about career paths and hiring at the major schools. Chris Beard, Mussleman, Steve Forbes, all guys who proved they are very good HC material by performing exceptionally well at lower levels. I'm not saying you hire a great Juco or lower level coach straight away, but those are the interesting assistants to look at
Wake is my 2nd favorite team, ever since I lived in W-S during the Muggsy years. Although Forbes is in his 2nd year I see a level of improvement like Shaka has already shown here.
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The go to guy is usually difference in close games where mistakes, key shots or FTs are deciding the outcome.
MU (by no means the inferior alma mater, btw) can go to Lewis or Morsell, in key times and expect them to perform
UH lacked Sasser at SMU...the type of player who would have taken control of those late moments
In the NCAA you hope your seed gets you one or two early wins...but in advancing UH will almost certainly have a close, tricky to close out, game. No Sasser will mean a Sweet 16 flame out this year for UH
Yeah, that sucks about Sasser. Similar to us losing Dom years ago. It's very difficult any time you lose a player who plays a vitally important role. I mean, sure I want us to win the Big East tourney, but mostly I hope nobody gets hurt in any of the BET games.
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What is going on at Texas A&M? Buzz's bunch with 8 straight losses? Including a L to Mizzu.
This is year 4 for him, I would have bet the house they would be much better by now. Is he getting burnt out? Rich and lazy?
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Huggins bitching about WVU's travel in the BIG12 as the most eastern team in the league
Does the idiot know that WVU chose to leave the big EAST and go to this conference?
Some complaints by coaches simply make them look like morons.
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Kansas keeps Oklahoma in the game by missing a bazillion FTs … but KU holds on to beat the Fighting Mosers, who fall to 14-11.
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Huggins bitching about WVU's travel in the BIG12 as the most eastern team in the league
Does the idiot know that WVU chose to leave the big EAST and go to this conference?
Some complaints by coaches simply make them look like morons.
I’m guessing Huggins had absolutely zero say in what conference they play in.
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I’m guessing Huggins had absolutely zero say in what conference they play in.
Correct. Which is why I said WVU chose to.
He should take his grievances up with the school he is making an active decision to be employed by.
Its not the Big 12s problem
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Correct. Which is why I said WVU chose to.
He should take his grievances up with the school he is making an active decision to be employed by.
Its not the Big 12s problem
Old Man Luck left town before the ink dried on his deal. Universally, every WVU fan i talked to in Charleston hates being in the B12. Maybe realignment helps a bit.
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Rutgers up 4 in Madison. 2:38 left.
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Purdue left the door open for Bucky to win the BIG10
Immediately lose to Rutgers. Love it.
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Thank you Rutgers.
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Weasels foul down 7 with under 5 secs left? What are the stats on that one?
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Awww, that's a shame.
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The badgers have a difficult schedule down the stretch. Aside from the MSU game, they haven’t been playing well lately.
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Old Man Luck left town before the ink dried on his deal. Universally, every WVU fan i talked to in Charleston hates being in the B12. Maybe realignment helps a bit.
Unfortunately they don’t have much choice. The ACC, SEC and B10 don’t want them. It’s the B12 or a downgrade…and they aren’t downgrading.
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The badgers have a difficult schedule down the stretch. Aside from the MSU game, they haven’t been playing well lately.
I don't want to see them at Fiserv in March.
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Rutgers gonna keep making themselves a really interesting tourney case.
Metrics are awful.NET was 92 coming into today. Because they have some awful losses.
But they now have 6 Q1 wins as well with a 9-5 league record. Really tough schedule to finish though so probably will sort itself out for them.
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More hideous unis today?
The Hall or Mich St?
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More hideous unis today?
The Hall or Mich St?
Muggsy I thought you would like The Hall New Jersey with The Hall emblazoned on the front.
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K State ties Iowa St at 63 with just under 3 min left...they go to OT tied at 63. Puke
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More hideous unis today?
The Hall or Mich St?
MSU without question. Unless the school colors include black just no to black uniforms.
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MSU without question. Unless the school colors include black just no to black uniforms.
Traditionals, hey Jr.?
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MSU without question. Unless the school colors include black just no to black uniforms.
🙄🙄🙄
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Traditionals, hey Jr.?
When UCLA debuted black unis and John Wooden was asked what he thought he said “Bruins wear blue.”
Ours are brutal as well.
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When UCLA debuted black unis and John Wooden was asked what he thought he said “Bruins wear blue.”
Ours are brutal as well.
Ours were great. So were UCLA’s. John Wooden is dead.
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That one Whisky uni may have been the all time worst.
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Mediocre Maryland team playing out of their minds and catching Purdue on an off day, giving them all they can handle in West Lafayette
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Is it Maryland ball? I'm confused.
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Maryland should have gone to that Fatts kid to win the game. Bad coaching.
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The Saint Stan stans are pretty quiet. 2-9 in the WCC. 213 in the NET after losing badly to #212 Portland last night.
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The Saint Stan stans are pretty quiet. 2-9 in the WCC. 213 in the NET after losing badly to #212 Portland last night.
Who are the "Saint Stan stans"?
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Who are the "Saint Stan stans"?
Loyola Marymount. Former MU assistant Stan Johnson.
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Loyola Marymount. Former MU assistant Stan Johnson.
Yeah, I know Angry Billy is talking about Stan Johnson. I still don't know who the "Saint Stan stans" are.
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There were some who floated his name last year after Wojo was fired. There were more even before that who said we should dump Wojo for him.
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There were some who floated his name last year after Wojo was fired. There were more even before that who said we should dump Wojo for him.
St. Stan, though? There’s a difference between floating his name and acting like he was the guy to hire.
He was a major factor in a lot of recruiting wins, though, so maybe that’s the disconnect
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St. Stan, though? There’s a difference between floating his name and acting like he was the guy to hire.
He was a major factor in a lot of recruiting wins, though, so maybe that’s the disconnect
It's just Billy being Billy.
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The Saint Stan stans are pretty quiet. 2-9 in the WCC. 213 in the NET after losing badly to #212 Portland last night.
How are Albany and Holy Cross doing?
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How are Albany and Holy Cross doing?
Holy cross is one of the worst teams in the country and Albany is below .500 in conference and overall. They did beat BC though.
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Yeah, I know Angry Billy is talking about Stan Johnson. I still don't know who the "Saint Stan stans" are.
the people on this site who were fluffing Stan for two years and calling for him to replace Wojo (even as interim) because he was going to be a star in the profession, some even going as far as to say he deserved the credit for Wojo's (relative) success. Many of those people also were devastated that he took the LMU job and it was MU's loss.
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the people on this site who were fluffing Stan for two years and calling for him to replace Wojo (even as interim) because he was going to be a star in the profession, some even going as far as to say he deserved the credit for Wojo's (relative) success. Many of those people also were devastated that he took the LMU job and it was MU's loss.
Sure, Jan
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Damn. Duke threw it up to the rim and the D all went to defend.....putback dunk at the horn.
Wake had a great comeback.
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The Saint Stan stans are pretty quiet. 2-9 in the WCC. 213 in the NET after losing badly to #212 Portland last night.
Not sure what a Saint Stan is but I do know:
Loyola Marymount won 65% of its games last season, Stan’s first. For perspective, they have only done that 3 times since their last NCAA Tourney appearance in 1990. And, it was a significant improvement from the 34% win team the year prior. It was also the first time in a decade that they had a winning conference record. It was their 4th winning record in conference since their last tourney appearance in 1990. Their league of course has been significantly tougher in recent years than many of the years during that long draught.
We’ll see what Stan does (or doesn’t build) there the next 3-5 years. But he’s certainly earned the time and opportunity to find out.
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Was that a cheap shot by Davison?
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I think the flopping by Flopison and others can easily be taken out of the college game. It's really a shame and totally inexcusable.
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Sparty going on the road and losing to an unranked, sub . 500 team.
Man, can you imagine if something like that happened to Marquette?
Izzo calls out effort, says players need to look in the mirror, and does not make players available to the media, for possibly the first time in his tenure.
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I think the flopping by Flopison and others can easily be taken out of the college game. It's really a shame and totally inexcusable.
Easiest way to do it is if refs stop falling for it. If they continue to do so, it will continue to happen. Simple as that.
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Sparty going on the road and losing to an unranked, sub . 500 team.
Man, can you imagine if something like that happened to Marquette?
Izzo calls out effort, says players need to look in the mirror, and does not make players available to the media, for possibly the first time in his tenure.
His roster construction has been an issue the last two years. No alphas like he’s had in the past
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His roster construction has been an issue the last two years. No alphas like he’s had in the past
Exactly what Joey wanted!
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Exactly what Joey wanted!
I imagine Hauser the Lesser thought he was an alpha
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Easiest way to do it is if refs stop falling for it. If they continue to do so, it will continue to happen. Simple as that.
Here's what I would do with the flop. It's really quite simple and within 10 games of the college season teams would adjust.
1) A first or second flop should be treated exactly like a Flagrant 1. No warnings, no nonsense, an immediate F-1.
2) A 3rd or 4th flop should be treated as a flagrant 2.
3) A 5th flop is a 10 game suspension.
4) A 6th flop means your season is over
The fact is this is not. basketball, it never has been. It's horrible for the game and many skirt the rules and get away with it. All flop plays should be reviewable just as flagrant fouls are reviewable. If these rules were enacted there would be very little if any flopping, even from the colossal douchebags like Davison.
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Here's what I would do with the flop. It's really quite simple and within 10 games of the college season teams would adjust.
1) A first or second flop should be treated exactly like a Flagrant 1. No warnings, no nonsense, an immediate F-1.
2) A 3rd or 4th flop should be treated as a flagrant 2.
3) A 5th flop is a 10 game suspension.
4) A 6th flop means your season is over
The fact is this is not. basketball, it never has been. It's horrible for the game and many skirt the rules and get away with it. All flop plays should be reviewable just as flagrant fouls are reviewable. If these rules were enacted there would be very little if any flopping, even from the colossal douchebags like Davison.
Yeah this is way too harsh. Again, if refs wouldn't call them, flops wouldn't happen.
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Yeah this is way too harsh. Again, if refs wouldn't call them, flops wouldn't happen.
Yes, sports need less extrajudicial policing and less points of emphasis. Just call the rule book.
When they put the semicircles in, teams adjusted. Simple, quantified. Now with the hook and hold, we are back to not knowing what's an offensive foul or not with these flops, which are taught. Ignore them and they go away.
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Here's what I would do with the flop. It's really quite simple and within 10 games of the college season teams would adjust.
1) A first or second flop should be treated exactly like a Flagrant 1. No warnings, no nonsense, an immediate F-1.
2) A 3rd or 4th flop should be treated as a flagrant 2.
3) A 5th flop is a 10 game suspension.
4) A 6th flop means your season is over
The fact is this is not. basketball, it never has been. It's horrible for the game and many skirt the rules and get away with it. All flop plays should be reviewable just as flagrant fouls are reviewable. If these rules were enacted there would be very little if any flopping, even from the colossal douchebags like Davison.
Alright lets settle down.
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7th flop…….public hanging.
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7th flop…….public hanging.
No torture first? Pity.
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Doesn't the rulebook state something about trying to deceive the refs? That's what a flop is, right?
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Muggsy, flops are not worse than flagrant fouls.
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Alright lets settle down.
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Fine. I don't like flopping. Perhaps I was too anachronistic and hostile. Maybe there's a happy compromise?
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What an absolute HEATER Rutgers is on
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RAC Attacks are real
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It’s amazing what Rutgers is doing at the RAC. They’re just whipping Illinois tonight.
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What a bunch of nonsense by Donny Marshall. "Gillespie created separation as BEPOY? Uh.....no.
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Too much launching. Attack the rim.
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Tomorrow morning on ESPN College Game Day, there will be a story worth your time.
Justin Hardy a Senior from Washington University in St. Louis, has been a key player, averaging 12 and 6 on a team ranked in the D-3 Top 10 most of the season.
He also happens to have stage 4 stomach cancer. He has received chemo treatments early in the week, so he can play in games later in the week.
Justin is from St. Charles, Illinois, outside of Chicago.
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Yeah this is way too harsh. Again, if refs wouldn't call them, flops wouldn't happen.
On the positive side, floppy’s season would be over 10 minutes into a game if that rule was implemented.
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Tomorrow morning on ESPN College Game Day, there will be a story worth your time.
Justin Hardy a Senior from Washington University in St. Louis, has been a key player, averaging 12 and 6 on a team ranked in the D-3 Top 10 most of the season.
He also happens to have stage 4 stomach cancer. He has received chemo treatments early in the week, so he can play in games later in the week.
Justin is from St. Charles, Illinois, outside of Chicago.
https://twitter.com/WASHUBears/status/1495077063618879495?t=e_JXyYa1vKiqTXnS9r6Wog&s=19
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Oof. Sparty with 12 points in 15 minutes at home.
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Oof. Sparty with 12 points in 15 minutes at home.
Down 12 at half. Izzo-Dukiet doing a terrible job finding good rotations this year
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Illinois with Cockburn is a completely different beast. If we face them again, I hope it is the second weekend.
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Moser's team just got blown out in Ames.
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Auburn’s got the #1 draft pick … and he never touched the basketball on the final dumpster-fire of a possession as the Fightin’ Pearls fall at Florida.
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Iowa up 11 at Ohio St. A top 4 seed is still in play for MU. Gotta take care of business tomorrow.
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Iowa up 11 at Ohio St. A top 4 seed is still in play for MU. Gotta take care of business tomorrow.
MU, at a minimum, is going to need to get to the BET finals for a top 4 seed.
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MU, at a minimum, is going to need to get to the BET finals for a top 4 seed.
Maybe but a lot can happen between now and then.
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MIchigan completely throwing away this game in Madison. They have missed about 10 wide open corner triples.
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Butler hangin tough. A win over providence is big for us
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Butler hangin tough. A win over providence is big for us
Why? Would much prefer a PC win.
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Wisconsin Michigan handshake line. Oh, my.
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Brawl in Madison.
Howard should be suspended for the year.
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Brawl in Madison.
Howard should be suspended for the year.
Wonder if it had something to do with Michigan fouling so late. Although Wisconsin had their starters in fairly late.
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Juwan Howard is a punk.
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Juwan Howard is a punk.
He should be fired.
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Wonder if it had something to do with Michigan fouling so late. Although Wisconsin had their starters in fairly late.
Wisconsin emptied their bench. Up 15 in final 30 seconds, Howard had his starters with full court press. So Gard called a timeout. Howard got pissed.
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He should be fired.
I missed it but just heard. He took a swing at Gard??
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He should be fired.
Depends what was said. Definitely needs to be suspended for the year
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I missed it but just heard. He took a swing at Gard??
No. Krabbenhoff.
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Michigan really sucks.
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Wisconsin Michigan handshake line. Oh, my.
Gard calling a timeout with 15 seconds and up 15 doesn't help.
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I missed it but just heard. He took a swing at Gard??
Joe Krabbenhoft
Another Michigan player had a major swing as well.
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Wisconsin emptied their bench. Up 15 in final 30 seconds, Howard had his starters with full court press. So Gard called a timeout. Howard got pissed.
Got it. Just saw the video. That’s a real bad look for Michigan.
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Joe Krabbenhoft
Another Michigan player had a major swing as well.
Uhhhh....WTF?? Crazy.
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Jeez. Possibly throwing your career away because the other coach called a timeout. 😂😂😂
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Joe Krabbenhoft
Another Michigan player had a major swing as well.
Yeah, wonder what Krabbenhoft said. Krabbenhoft came in late acting like the tough guy, and actually touched a Michigan player. No excuse for Howard to reach out and give him a love tap though.
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https://twitter.com/mattbrownep/status/1495490371668918276?s=21
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Hes not getting fired.
But definitely should and will be suspended.
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So much anger
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Suspensions all around.
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Jeez. Possibly throwing your career away because the other coach called a timeout. 😂😂😂
I thought it was obvious that Gard called the TO in response to Howard pressing when the game was over.
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Got it. Just saw the video. That’s a real bad look for Michigan.
Careful, saying something bad about Michigan will force keefe to call your HR department
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Unacceptable and no excuses can be made for Juwan Howard. Michigan should suspend him through the remainder of the season at the least
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Unacceptable and no excuses can be made for Juwan Howard. Michigan should suspend him through the remainder of the season at the least
I was thinking 5 games minimum when I watched the replay. Anything less condones this from a “leader.”
The rest of the season, including Big 14 tournament, would be even better.
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I was thinking 5 games minimum when I watched the replay. Anything less condones this from a “leader.”
The rest of the season, including Big 14 tournament, would be even better.
I’d suspend him for the year. There’s something deeper there with Howard and UW, or so I’ve been told by a Michigan “insider”.
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Well, that's what Gard gets for breaking one of Tony La Russa's "unwritten rules."
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Welllllll.... after reviewing the video, in verrryyy sloooowwww motion. It appeared Howard was doing a walk-by, w/o a shake and prob saying something to Gard... and GARD actually grabbed his Juan's arm, thereby, making Howard stop and prob said a few things that really pissed Gard off... Again, Gard grabbed Howard FIRST ! ! !, oh yea, then watch gard slip back into the 3rd row of people on the court ! ! ! lol 8-)
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Welllllll.... after reviewing the video, in verrryyy sloooowwww motion. It appeared Howard was doing a walk-by, w/o a shake and prob saying something to Gard... and GARD actually grabbed his Juan's arm, thereby, making Howard stop and prob said a few things that really pissed Gard off... Again, Gard grabbed Howard FIRST ! ! !, oh yea, then watch gard slip back into the 3rd row of people on the court ! ! ! lol 8-)
The mental gymnastics that people will go through to justify a guy who threw a punch just because the opponent is UW is amazing.
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Moral of the story: get rid of the handshake line. This isn’t 10 year old youth soccer. What good comes of it?
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Moral of the story: get rid of the handshake line. This isn’t 10 year old youth soccer. What good comes of it?
Yeah, I have no idea why they do this still.
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I didn't JUSTIFY what Howard did.... All I did was state what I viewed in Slo-Mo! ! ! Take what u want from that ! ! !Don't put words in my mouth ! ! ! 8-)
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If someone wants to walk past you and not speak with you, it’s better to not cut off their path and put your hands on that person. It’s pretty simple, you don’t put your hands on another person unsolicited, and, that’s what Gard did to Howard. If you do that you need to expect that person will put their hands on you or worse.
Howard’s grab/reach wasn’t a good response to it.
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Washington State up on #17 USC on FS1. 55-49. 6 minutes left. Cougars have only 3, 2 point field goals.
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Well, that's what Gard gets for breaking one of Tony La Russa's "unwritten rules."
The fact that this is pretty much the position Howard took during the post-game presser is one of the reasons I think the suspension should be significant. I think five games would be reasonable.
Gard deserves one too, but I think one or two games is enough for grabbing Howard’s arm.
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The fact that this is pretty much the position Howard took during the post-game presser is one of the reasons I think the suspension should be significant. I think five games would be reasonable.
Gard deserves one too, but I think one or two games is enough for grabbing Howard’s arm.
There is plenty of blame and I don't excuse any of them. Krabbenhof certainly didn't de-escalate the situation. I wonder if he gets a game, too.
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Juwan Howard was more upset about Gard's timeout than Chris Webber's.
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Izzo-Dukiet’s Spartans getting run out of the gym at Iowa and about to lose their 3rd straight and 5th out of 6. IzzoIsMarch
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Izzo-Dukiet’s Spartans getting run out of the gym at Iowa and about to lose their 3rd straight and 5th out of 6. IzzoIsMarch
Sparty fans really giving Izzo the business on their fan board. Vast majority calling for him to step down. A few saying they can't loose him because of the "who could we ever get that is any good" syndrome that afflicted some MU fans a year ago.
I'm no Izzo fan (reminds me your typical HS gym coach only without the high and tight "Bike" shorts.) but he deserves a few more years before I'd conclude he has lost his mojo.
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86-60?
2 pts for Joseph Hauser?
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Izzo will survive this. Not even close.
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86-60?
2 pts for Joseph Hauser?
Wrong thread.
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Would you take Holmgren #2 if you were an NBA GM? I dunno why but I have a lot of doubt about his potential.
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42 whole points for the Fightin' Mosers tonight.
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Would you take Holmgren #2 if you were an NBA GM? I dunno why but I have a lot of doubt about his potential.
I wouldn't. Personally.
Can't wait for this to be used against me if I'm wrong.
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If MU ends up on the 8-9 line in their bracket, I think that OMP and Oso will have a better chance of defending him than most of what he has seen this year. Kur guarding Timme, Lewis sliding over when Oso is in and OMP is out.
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Haven't seen enough of Holmgren to have an opinion yet.
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Let's go Gophers.
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I wouldn't. Personally.
Can't wait for this to be used against me if I'm wrong.
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t out to get you, a’ina?
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Would you take Holmgren #2 if you were an NBA GM? I dunno why but I have a lot of doubt about his potential.
I think his potential is very high. But I don’t know if I’d go #2 right now cause I’m not sure he’s ready to contribute right away
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Nebraska keeping Hoiberg
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I think his potential is very high. But I don’t know if I’d go #2 right now cause I’m not sure he’s ready to contribute right away
Would you take him before Ivey,, Davis, or Murray?
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Playing right now.
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Who is Plummer on Illinois?
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Who is Plummer on Illinois?
Alfonso Plummer
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Never heard of him. Illinois is getting punked right now at Home.
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Underwood just went bananas over a flop.
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Nvm
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Would you take him before Ivey,, Davis, or Murray?
Ivey is a toss up. I could go with either of them 3 and 4 behind Jabari and Banchero.
I’d absolutely take him over Davis or Murray. His ceiling is super high whereas I don’t think Davis’ is and Murray im not entirely sold on
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Would you take him before Ivey,, Davis, or Murray?
If a team takes Davis before Holmgrem they are clinically insane.
I also think it would be pretty nuts to take either of the other two over him as well. But more understandable.
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I think his potential is very high. But I don’t know if I’d go #2 right now cause I’m not sure he’s ready to contribute right away
Holmgren is big who can lead the break, play inside an out (44% from three). The guy is what Porzingis was on track to be before the injuries. He'll end the season averaging a double double on the #1 team in the country. An NBA team's strength program will put at least 20 pounds on him before the season starts. He's a game-changing prospect. Davis is at best CJ McCollum.
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Chet Holmgren? Not on my radar.
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Holmgren is big who can lead the break, play inside an out (44% from three). The guy is what Porzingis was on track to be before the injuries. He'll end the season averaging a double double on the #1 team in the country. An NBA team's strength program will put at least 20 pounds on him before the season starts. He's a game-changing prospect. Davis is at best CJ McCollum.
It’ll take a couple of years in the nba, but he’s going to be a stud when he gets used to his body ala Giannis.
They’re very different players, but they both displayed a ton of natural basketball ability early on and the one thing holding them back were strength/physical maturity.
Chet has it all. Just needs a couple years.
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It’ll take a couple of years in the nba, but he’s going to be a stud when he gets used to his body ala Giannis.
They’re very different players, but they both displayed a ton of natural basketball ability early on and the one thing holding them back were strength/physical maturity.
Chet has it all. Just needs a couple years.
100%. Durant couldn’t do one bench press at 185 at the NBA combine. Garnett was more scrawny coming out if HS than Chet is now. Giannis is an excellent comparison too. His guard skills, thanks to his late growth spurt, are what set him apart.
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100%. Durant couldn’t do one bench press at 185 at the NBA combine. Garnett was more scrawny coming out if HS than Chet is now. Giannis is an excellent comparison too. His guard skills, thanks to his late growth spurt, are what set him apart.
Yep - the default knock on Chet is “he’s too soft for the nba.” That may be true year one but he has enough skills to stay on the floor and contribute from day 1. Watch out once his body catches up with his skill set.
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Yep - the default knock on Chet is “he’s too soft for the nba.” That may be true year one but he has enough skills to stay on the floor and contribute from day 1. Watch out once his body catches up with his skill set.
He’s a potential unicorn. So much of the draft is based on potential anyway, I’d take him over any other player.
Jabari, Paolo and Jaden might be All-Stars but Chet could be a franchise defining player. Maybe he won’t be but I think it’s worth the risk as the 3 I mentioned might be really good but as Robins versus Batmans
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He’s a potential unicorn. So much of the draft is based on potential anyway, I’d take him over any other player.
Jabari, Paolo and Jaden might be All-Stars but Chet could be a franchise defining player. Maybe he won’t be but I think it’s worth the risk as the 3 I mentioned might be really good but as Robins versus Batmans
I don’t see him as a superstar/cornerstone piece. He doesn’t have the athleticism that will make up for his lack of bulk.
He will be a long time pro, playing at an all star level in his prime, but I don’t see him dominating throughout his career.
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I don’t see him as a superstar/cornerstone piece. He doesn’t have the athleticism that will make up for his lack of bulk.
He will be a long time pro, playing at an all star level in his prime, but I don’t see him dominating throughout his career.
I don’t know. If the body fills out, he has the chance to be. That’s why I say potential. I don’t see that from the other guys around him. Good players, not necessarily superstars.
A lot of it will have to do with desire to be great. Skinny dudes like KD and Giannis that bulked up and became great had the desire to be great and not just another guy. That matters!
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100%. Durant couldn’t do one bench press at 185 at the NBA combine. Garnett was more scrawny coming out if HS than Chet is now. Giannis is an excellent comparison too. His guard skills, thanks to his late growth spurt, are what set him apart.
Garnett was measured at 6 11-215 lbs at the predraft camp, Holmgren is listed at 7 ft, 195. Giannis is not a good comparison, as Giannis always had out of this world athleticism, Holmgren doesn't seem to have that.
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I don’t know. If the body fills out, he has the chance to be. That’s why I say potential. I don’t see that from the other guys around him. Good players, not necessarily superstars.
A lot of it will have to do with desire to be great. Skinny dudes like KD and Giannis that bulked up and became great had the desire to be great and not just another guy. That matters!
The difference between Chet and kd/giannis is that Chet doesn’t have the one out of this world talent. Giannis = elite athleticism and kd = elite shooter.
Not to say Chet won’t be good, but that will be the difference between good and great for him.
Definitely splitting hairs :-)
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Nebraska keeping Hoiberg
As a Creighton fan who hates Nebraska sports I love this.
Creighton has won more conference games this month than hoiberg has in his entire Nebraska tenure.
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The difference between Chet and kd/giannis is that Chet doesn’t have the one out of this world talent. Giannis = elite athleticism and kd = elite shooter.
Not to say Chet won’t be good, but that will be the difference between good and great for him.
Definitely splitting hairs :-)
giannis, KD and KG had the bodies to bulk up. not so sure chet has a kent benson, plumlee or lopez frames to fill out
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The difference between Chet and kd/giannis is that Chet doesn’t have the one out of this world talent. Giannis = elite athleticism and kd = elite shooter.
Not to say Chet won’t be good, but that will be the difference between good and great for him.
Definitely splitting hairs :-)
KG and Giannis have “it”. They have an incredible vision on the court and feel for the game. Chet has that, too.
KG and Giannis worked hard to put it all together and morph into the players they are. I think Chet can do that as well. He’ll need to work at it, but I think he can be a franchise player
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KG and Giannis have “it”. They have an incredible vision on the court and feel for the game. Chet has that, too.
KG and Giannis worked hard to put it all together and morph into the players they are. I think Chet can do that as well. He’ll need to work at it, but I think he can be a franchise player
Chet is a great player - he doesn’t have the one elite skill that will allow him to be a dominant player. He’ll be a step or two below the elites (not a bad thing).
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Right now, he is more skilled than Giannis was at the same age. Which is why Giannis lasted until the middle of the first round. What will he look like in 5 years with 35-40 lbs of muscle on him?
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Right now, he is more skilled than Giannis was at the same age. Which is why Giannis lasted until the middle of the first round. What will he look like in 5 years with 35-40 lbs of muscle on him?
Giannis lasted until the middle of the first round because he was playing in Greece’s B League and nobody knew how it might translate to the USA.
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Right now, he is more skilled than Giannis was at the same age. Which is why Giannis lasted until the middle of the first round. What will he look like in 5 years with 35-40 lbs of muscle on him?
He won't be Giannis.
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Agreed. He isn't going to be Brad Sellers, either. More than likely, he will be the number one pick.
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Durant was a high usage rate player with crazy efficiency. Holmgren is a medium usage player with crazy efficiency.
Giannis possessed elite athleticism that Holmgren lacks. Neither Durant or Giannis are good comps.
I like Holmgren, he has unicorn potential to be an elite rim defender with good to very good 3 point shooting. But I don't think he's as good of a prospect as Evan Mobley was last year.
I could see him becoming an elite role player, but not a franchise player unless he develops a Dirk Nowitzki skill set. Holmgren's slender frame increases his bust potential, especially if the extra weight leads to injuries.
But this is a weak draft. The top 4 all have question mark. Jabari Smith has a high floor but he's more likely to reach a Rashard Lewis level than Kevin Durant level. Ivey has elite athleticism, but stille needs to develop a bit as a ball handler, passer, and shooter . Banchero is a limited defender and he's gone cold from 3. I see a better prospect than Julius Randle, but not as good of a prospect as Chris Webber or Chris Bosh.
The tier 2 guys project mostly as role players. Davis is starting to look more like a Kentavious Caldwell-Pope type, Murray looks like a Jeff Green or Harrison Barnes type, Mathurin is a possible 3 & D type but probably not more than that.
AJ Griffin really intrigues me. Another guy who compares to Harrison Barnes, but I could see him developing into a Khris Middleton type.
Maybe some players will develop more than expected, but right now I see a draft light on stars. A handful will be good players, and a handful or two of role players after that.
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Agreed. He isn't going to be Brad Sellers, either. More than likely, he will be the number one pick.
I don't doubt his potential is there down the road, but if it takes 4 years the team that drafts him might not resign him. The top 3 seem to be locks but I don't think anyone would be surprised if Ivey becomes a superstar. He has a completely different gear and the NBA is far more open space.
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If Holmgren can shoot the 3 in the NBA the way he does in college, he's going to be exceptionally difficult to guard at the next level.
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If Holmgren can shoot the 3 in the NBA the way he does in college, he's going to be exceptionally difficult to guard at the next level.
I'm gonna try to watch him tonight. Who would you compare him to?
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I'm gonna try to watch him tonight. Who would you compare him to?
Bob Lanier
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I'm gonna try to watch him tonight. Who would you compare him to?
Dirk. Not as offensively gifted, but more athletic. Or a less athletic pre-injury Porzingis.
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I'm gonna try to watch him tonight. Who would you compare him to?
A more athletic, better defending, better shooting, quicker, better passing, Henry Ellenson. Blocks a shot, controls it, dribbles ambidextrously up the floor through traffic and either shoots the 3 or dunks. I have watched him a few times and always start out unimpressed. Then he has a stretch and you look up and he has 20-10-5-4.
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Dirk. Not as offensively gifted, but more athletic. Or a less athletic pre-injury Porzingis.
Dirk was obviously an elite, elite, shooter and scorer. I guess I haven't seen Holmgren enough but does he have a post game?
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Post game no matta.
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Post game no matta.
Dirk could get his shot off and create off the bounce with his back to his basket. He had a high release and was incredibly polished.
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Kstate and WVU both lose by 1.
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Uhh.... .Rutgers' unis??? WTF?? Revolting.
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https://twitter.com/actionnetworkhq/status/1497710029062885377?s=21
FSU sends Tony Bennett and Virginia to the NIT barring an ACC Tourney win
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What exactly is the proper call when an offensive player extends his off hand while handling the ball? If it's minor contact is it always a play on?
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Another good win for Bucky. Alone in first place. Would have to think Rutgers is on the outside looking in now.
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Another good win for Bucky. Alone in first place. Would have to think Rutgers is on the outside looking in now.
Rutgers has quite a few good wins.
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Rutgers has quite a few good wins.
They have an interesting resume. I just think that their NET of 83 would be unprecedented for an at large selection.
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Six top ten teams have lost today.
I'm honestly concerned the Weasel/Rodents could make a deep run. There's no dominant team.
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Uhhhh....Gonzaga is not having a good first half.
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Six top ten teams have lost today.
Unreal when you think about it. Yet, Arizona losing at Colorado is the only real stunner. Colorado just got blown out by ASU on Thursday.
Gonzaga trails by 15 points at halftime.
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Uhhhh....Gonzaga is not having a good first half.
Hell yes
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Holmgren has a lot of skills but it's going to take him some time. He moves really well and cab handle and pass. That said when you saw Embiid play at Kansas you could tell immediately he was going you be a superstar. He was so much more talented and with a greater upside than Wiggins or Parker it was laughable. I think it's a tough call on Holmgren if you're a GM and you believe Ivey or Davis is a immediate star player.
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I can't imagine teams ranked 1-6 have lost before on the same day.
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I can't imagine teams ranked 1-6 have lost before on the same day.
HELL YES
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Thats a suboptimal loss for OSU
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Chucky Hepburn is going to end up being really good for Wisconsin.
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Chucky Hepburn is going to end up being really good for Wisconsin.
You get banned from Buckyville or what?
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Lol these tools just banked in their last two shots to win the Big14.
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Good for them. Good for MU. Crazy game.
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Coach of the Year Greg Gard
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Lol these tools just banked in their last two shots to win the Big14.
They had the best record over a 20 game season. They earned it.
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Scoopers love to belittle Greg Gard and his recruiting, but UW has had a share of Big Ten title in 2 out of the last 3 years.
And I'm sure Shaka would love to have a freshman as talented as Chucky Hepburn.
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Lol these tools just banked in their last two shots to win the Big14.
They count the same bright?
Death, taxes, obsessed Scoopers declaring Madison dead before they end up ranked. They’re like roaches.
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Why are people besmirching scoopers? This is absurd, you're posting on an MU Hoops Forum.
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Zona is eviscerating USC in Cali.
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It won’t happen, but if the East is Wisconsin as a 1 seed, and Providence as a 2 seed, there will be lots of money to be made.
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It won’t happen, but if the East is Wisconsin as a 1 seed, and Providence as a 2 seed, there will be lots of money to be made.
Oh. You mean I should l unload and go all in on Providence??
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It won’t happen, but if the East is Wisconsin as a 1 seed, and Providence as a 2 seed, there will be lots of money to be made.
If I’m a 1-seed and those 2 get placed in my region, I’m thanking the committee. The bill always comes due
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Hepburn is a decent player but pretending that Shaka would lust over a freshman averaging 8 and 2 and 35% from dee just cause he had a nice game and banked in a 3 is hilarious. He was a non factor against Purdue last game. Goose egg against OSU. Nothing special against U of I and MSU, etc…
I’ll take Kam Jones over Hepburn all day and twice on Sunday.
Badger trolls gonna troll
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Hepburn is a decent player but pretending that Shaka would lust over a freshman averaging 8 and 2 and 35% from dee just cause he had a nice game and banked in a 3 is hilarious. He was a non factor against Purdue last game. Goose egg against OSU. Nothing special against U of I and MSU, etc…
I’ll take Kam Jones over Hepburn all day and twice on Sunday.
Badger trolls gonna troll
He’s coming on strong in the last few games and he’s the perfect fit for gard. Will be annoyingly good for them for awhile. What I hope Stevie will be for us.
But cmon - Jones and Joplin both have infinitely higher ceilings than Hepburn.
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Scoopers love to belittle Greg Gard and his recruiting, but UW has had a share of Big Ten title in 2 out of the last 3 years.
And I'm sure Shaka would love to have a freshman as talented as Chucky Hepburn.
I’d rather have Freshman Audrey Hepburn. Not close.
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Scoopers love to belittle Greg Gard and his recruiting, but UW has had a share of Big Ten title in 2 out of the last 3 years.
And I'm sure Shaka would love to have a freshman as talented as Chucky Hepburn.
Have you seen a kid UW is looking at for next season ? Ryan Hears ?
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I’d rather have Freshman Audrey Hepburn. Not close.
I second that
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Hepburn is a decent player but pretending that Shaka would lust over a freshman averaging 8 and 2 and 35% from dee just cause he had a nice game and banked in a 3 is hilarious. He was a non factor against Purdue last game. Goose egg against OSU. Nothing special against U of I and MSU, etc…
I’ll take Kam Jones over Hepburn all day and twice on Sunday.
Badger trolls gonna troll
Agree 100%, and he's not going to start over our other Freshman PG, Tyler Kolek.
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I didn’t fully realize how bad UWM and UWGB were this year. Just embarrassing performances this season. Competing in the Horizon shouldn’t be a big ask. Understand some teams have to finish last but to be 336th and 343rd in KenPom respectively is terrible
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He’s coming on strong in the last few games and he’s the perfect fit for gard. Will be annoyingly good for them for awhile. What I hope Stevie will be for us.
But cmon - Jones and Joplin both have infinitely higher ceilings than Hepburn.
Stevie Mitchell can't dribble.
He's decent defensively and inept offensively.
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Stevie Mitchell can't dribble.
He's decent defensively and inept offensively.
Thanks for your input
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I didn’t fully realize how bad UWM and UWGB were this year. Just embarrassing performances this season. Competing in the Horizon shouldn’t be a big ask. Understand some teams have to finish last but to be 336th and 343rd in KenPom respectively is terrible
Yes, it was pretty bad watching it.
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I didn’t fully realize how bad UWM and UWGB were this year. Just embarrassing performances this season. Competing in the Horizon shouldn’t be a big ask. Understand some teams have to finish last but to be 336th and 343rd in KenPom respectively is terrible
Pat Baldwin just going out in blaze of dumpster fire glory. All the buzz from his kid coming to UWM. He plays in well under half their games, only scores more than 20 twice, and the team is absolutely horrific to boot. I mean good lord.
As for UWGB, who knew that hiring a mediocre mid major assistant whose only credentials were having a famous dad , who was on staff as his mentor crashed and burned at Ohio U and then was thoroughly mediocre in his lone season as a D2 HC, wouldn’t work. Maybe they thought Bo would take a break from his extracurriculars to sit on the bench?
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Pat Baldwin just going out in blaze of dumpster fire glory. All the buzz from his kid coming to UWM. He plays in well under half their games, only scores more than 20 twice, and the team is absolutely horrific to boot. I mean good lord.
As for UWGB, who knew that hiring a mediocre mid major assistant whose only credentials were having a famous dad , who was on staff as his mentor crashed and burned at Ohio U and then was thoroughly mediocre in his lone season as a D2 HC, wouldn’t work. Maybe they thought Bo would take a break from his extracurriculars to sit on the bench?
Nepotism in coaching at all levels is a problem and often hurts better candidates
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Why are people besmirching scoopers? This is absurd, you're posting on an MU Hoops Forum.
every year the Bucky obsessed scoopers write the obituary for Madison basketball as the season starts and every year they find a way to make those posters looks foolish.
If only our Golden Eagles had been as bad as Madison since Gard took over, amirite?
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This place is crawlin' with Badger trolls. Don't feed 'em.
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every year the Bucky obsessed scoopers write the obituary for Madison basketball as the season starts and every year they find a way to make those posters looks foolish.
If only our Golden Eagles had been as bad as Madison since Gard took over, amirite?
Generally this is correct, but the coaching job Gard has done this year is incredible. Very low levels of talent/inexperience and we've watched huge individual transformations as well as team growth on the offensive and defensive end. It pains me to say it, but he should be considered for coach of the year. Extremely impressive.
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Generally this is correct, but the coaching job Gard has done this year is incredible. Very low levels of talent/inexperience and we've watched huge individual transformations as well as team growth on the offensive and defensive end. It pains me to say it, but he should be considered for coach of the year. Extremely impressive.
15-1 in games decided by 6 or less is impressive stuff.
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15-1 in games decided by 6 or less is impressive stuff.
Enjoy there ride. It's nice to have a guy like Davis to lean on in tight games.
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It's OK to begrudgingly concede that Madison has had an excellent season, with individual players improving significantly and the team playing well as a group AND to point out that they've been more than a little lucky.
Oh, and eff Madison. I'll enjoy watching Gard and his ranks choke during the NCAA tournament, when the banks won't be open for them.
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It's OK to begrudgingly concede that Madison has had an excellent season, with individual players improving significantly and the team playing well as a group AND to point out that they've been more than a little lucky.
Oh, and eff Madison. I'll enjoy watching Gard and his ranks choke during the NCAA tournament, when the banks won't be open for them.
When the bill comes due, it’ll be painful
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Baldwin Sr. gone per Goodman.
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Wojo to UWM
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Wojo to UWM
Burn in hell! ;D
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It's OK to begrudgingly concede that Madison has had an excellent season, with individual players improving significantly and the team playing well as a group AND to point out that they've been more than a little lucky.
Oh, and eff Madison. I'll enjoy watching Gard and his ranks choke during the NCAA tournament, when the banks won't be open for them.
It's way too easy to say they win because they are lucky. They win because they are well coached and they recruit tough players.
They have won 15 consecutive games decided by six points or fewer, the longest such streak in Division I since the 3-point line was added in 1986.
And, yes, chances are they will get upset in the tournament - the same as many other teams.
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I’d rather have Freshman Audrey Hepburn. Not close.
You'd rather have old Katherine Hepburn. ;D
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Absolutely wild one in Indiana.
Rutgers kid almost threw a season ending punch.
Harper has stones.
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Absolutely wild one in Indiana.
Rutgers kid almost threw a season ending punch.
Harper has stones.
Shocked it was a F2.
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Wisconsin and Providence are lucky in the sense that they are statistical outliers. It is very unlikely to have a near perfect record in close games.
That's it.
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Nepotism in coaching at all levels is a problem and often hurts better candidates
Seams ta mee #12 did pretty well, back in da dey, aina?
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/juli-boeheim-syracuse-basketball-coach-jim-boeheims-wife-robbed-at-gunpoint-by-kid-while-in-her-car/
Tough times in Syracuse, NY. Have to imagine parents won’t send their kids to school there anymore
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/juli-boeheim-syracuse-basketball-coach-jim-boeheims-wife-robbed-at-gunpoint-by-kid-while-in-her-car/
Tough times in Syracuse, NY. Have to imagine parents won’t send their kids to school there anymore
But I heard that only happens near the Marquette campus
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/juli-boeheim-syracuse-basketball-coach-jim-boeheims-wife-robbed-at-gunpoint-by-kid-while-in-her-car/
Tough times in Syracuse, NY. Have to imagine parents won’t send their kids to school there anymore
Mods - can you please move this to the brunch thread?
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Double-double for Jamal Cain in the 1st half as Oakland leads Wright State by 8
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Wright State on a 26-1 run to take a ten-point lead 😮
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Have you seen what ticket prices are going for at Cameron for Coach K's last game? The average price is $6900. I find that beyond bizarre. Especially since they're playing a crap team.
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Have you seen what ticket prices are going for at Cameron for Coach K's last game? The average price is $6900. I find that beyond bizarre. Especially since they're playing a crap team.
1. It has nothing to do with who they're playing.
2. UNC is a bubble team this season, but it's still Duke-UNC. If Madison sucks, we still want to see MU beat them. And Duke-UNC is 10x the rivalry MU-Madison is.
3. See No. 1.
It's obviously all about K's last home game, nothing else.
For a student there, it would be difficult to resist selling. Even with inflation, 7 grand pays for a lot of weed and beer!
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1. It has nothing to do with who they're playing.
2. UNC is a bubble team this season, but it's still Duke-UNC. If Madison sucks, we still want to see MU beat them. And Duke-UNC is 10x the rivalry MU-Madison is.
I'd sell the ticket in 5 secs if I wasn't a student. Am I missing the novelty of this? In the history of sports all-time great coaches have retired. 7K is absolutely insane. The best seats are 50K btw.
3. See No. 1.
It's obviously all about K's last home game, nothing else.
For a student there, it would be difficult to resist selling. Even with inflation, 7 grand pays for a lot of weed and beer!
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1. It has nothing to do with who they're playing.
2. UNC is a bubble team this season, but it's still Duke-UNC. If Madison sucks, we still want to see MU beat them. And Duke-UNC is 10x the rivalry MU-Madison is.
3. See No. 1.
It's obviously all about K's last home game, nothing else.
For a student there, it would be difficult to resist selling. Even with inflation, 7 grand pays for a lot of weed and beer!
Yeah, the combination of "It's K's last game at Cameron" and Duke-UNC (with a heavy emphasis on the former) will do that. Obviously, K's finale is a huge deal. But Duke-UNC is one of "those" matchups. I'm not a fan of either program, but as a sports fan, that's a bucket list item for me. That game is always a premium. I just did a quick google search and saw an article (https://fanbuzz.com/college-basketball/ncaa-acc/duke-unc-ticket-prices/) from 2019 and the average ticket was $4,600+. I understand that was two top-10 teams and Zion, but still...that's a matchup and location that's known to drive a premium price. When you add something like K's swan song, it's not surprising that it's through the roof.
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Yeah, the combination of "It's K's last game at Cameron" and Duke-UNC (with a heavy on the former) will do that. Obviously, K's finale is a huge deal. But Duke-UNC is one of "those" matchups. I'm not a fan of either program, but as a sports fan, that's a bucket list item for me. That game is always a premium. I just did a quick google search and saw an article (https://fanbuzz.com/college-basketball/ncaa-acc/duke-unc-ticket-prices/) from 2019 and the average ticket was $4,600+. I understand that was two top-10 teams and Zion, but still...that's a matchup and location that's known to drive a premium price. When you add something like K's swan song, it's not surprising that it's through the roof.
I seem to recall some guy paid like 11 grand to sit court side specifically to see Zion. I think Zion got hurt in like the first 30 seconds and was out the rest of the game. Maybe I’m misremembering.
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Sew itz knot cuza Theo's last hom game, hey?
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Sew itz knot cuza Theo's last hom game, hey?
Theo's got a good chance to win a natty, so good on him.
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Wright State on a 26-1 run to take a ten-point lead 😮
Odd stat from this game. ESPN box score shows Oakland having 1 assist for the game.
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Yeah, the combination of "It's K's last game at Cameron" and Duke-UNC (with a heavy emphasis on the former) will do that. Obviously, K's finale is a huge deal. But Duke-UNC is one of "those" matchups. I'm not a fan of either program, but as a sports fan, that's a bucket list item for me. That game is always a premium. I just did a quick google search and saw an article (https://fanbuzz.com/college-basketball/ncaa-acc/duke-unc-ticket-prices/) from 2019 and the average ticket was $4,600+. I understand that was two top-10 teams and Zion, but still...that's a matchup and location that's known to drive a premium price. When you add something like K's swan song, it's not surprising that it's through the roof.
I sat second row behind the Duke bench at Cameron a few years ago, it was the best sports experience I’ve ever had in person. I’d highly recommend any college hoops fan go there, even if you hate Duke, that place is awesome. By contrast, I went to Phog Allen and did the same thing, both places are awesome, but if someone asked me to pick one to go back to, it’d be Duke.
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I sat second row behind the Duke bench at Cameron a few years ago, it was the best sports experience I’ve ever had in person. I’d highly recommend any college hoops fan go there, even if you hate Duke, that place is awesome. By contrast, I went to Phog Allen and did the same thing, both places are awesome, but if someone asked me to pick one to go back to, it’d be Duke.
Now you really make me want to go to Cameron, because Phog's the best college hoops atmosphere I've experienced in person.
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Tennessee absolutely throwing this game away.
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LSU and Bama are two teams I would not be afraid to play.
THey have the potential to boat race.
But both teams have IQs in the single digits that its just as likely they show up to the arena having no clue there is a game even taking place.
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Why are the refs allowed to take 5 minutes for an out of bounds play???
If you dont have a reason to overturn it you cant take the day trying to find one.
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In the end the win is what matters. But my god Will Wades decision on that last possession was among the dumbest ive seen.
When Shaka chose not to foul up 3. He at least had us playing straight up D.
Wade calls for a full court double team press with 7 seconds left, neither guy instructed to foul. Bama easily passes it ahead to a wide open step in 3 point shot(albeit from pretty deep out).
Absolutely no idea what the mindset was there. Better to be lucky than good.
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Wojo getting screen time and name drop in the Duke game.
Looks like his performance with us didnt have him banned from chilling with the Duke legends for Coach Ks last game.
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Houston Baptist vs McNeese State was a low scoring affair..
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Badgers getting some insane home cooking in the second half against Nebraska.
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There is some legitamate shady sh it going on in that game.
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There is some legitamate shady sh it going on in that game.
One of the worst Ts I’ve ever seen.
Now Gard playing kill the clock and it’s killed the Badger offense
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One of the worst Ts I’ve ever seen.
Now Gard playing kill the clock and it’s killed the Badger offense
If Nebraska had the better McGowens(no clue why he was randomly scratched) they really may of had this one. Even with the ref show.
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If Nebraska had the better McGowens(no clue why he was randomly scratched) they really may of had this one. Even with the ref show.
Holy crap.
1 stop and they will win anyways. Unreal
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7 points in the last 10 min for the Badgers. This team is cheeks without Davis
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What a treat
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Hepburn should have tried to bank it.
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20 seconds and Gard has them waste almost 10 trying to foul. Then down 1 they settle for a deep 3 instead of attacking the rim. Coaching master class
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Nice people in Nebraska. :)
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Johnny Davis should immediately declare
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Johnny Davis should immediately declare
After a scare like that, Davis should definitely skip his bowl game and focus on the draft.
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What a treat
That WAS a treat!
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No rushing the court today.
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The only rush today was up the aisles to the exits. ;D
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How far does that drop the Badgers in the NET? Takes them out of a 1 seed conversation, I guess.
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How far does that drop the Badgers in the NET? Takes them out of a 1 seed conversation, I guess.
They were never in that convo.
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They were never in that convo.
Goodman spent about 20 minutes on the radio Wednesday night making a case for them. So my comment was half teal.
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Oh.....I didn't even realize the gane was in Madison. LOL
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Oh.....I didn't even realize the gane was in Madison. LOL
So senior night then?
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I guess Nebraska was undefeated.....until they met Western Illinois on Nov 9th. That's a bad loss. Frankly a 2 seed line minimum drop. And no, it doesn't matter that Davis got hurt.
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I don't get that court storm in Champaign at all.
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I don't get that court storm in Champaign at all.
Big Ten Championship.
I knew that Marquette win would hold up.
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Big Ten Championship.
I knew that Marquette win would hold up.
Teams now court-storm for a conf championship? I must have missed that.
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Teams now court-storm for a conf championship? I must have missed that.
Sure. We forgot with no fans last year. Guess, not in every case.
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I don't get that court storm in Champaign at all.
I don't get why this bothers some folks.
They're college kids happy their team won a big game. It's fun. I wish Marquette gave our students more opportunities to storm the court.
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I don't get why this bothers some folks.
They're college kids happy their team won a big game. It's fun. I wish Marquette gave our students more opportunities to storm the court.
Only thing that bothers me is that the school gets fined for it. Arkansas recently got fined 250K by the SEC. So many better users for that money.
That being said, I don't begrudge it for major wins
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Only thing that bothers me is that the school gets fined for it. Arkansas recently got fined 250K by the SEC. So many better users for that money.
That being said, I don't begrudge it for major wins
Didn't know about the fines. What a bunch of killjoy pencil-pushers.
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Didn't know about the fines. What a bunch of killjoy pencil-pushers.
There has to be some sort of a barrier. Can you imagine if a fanbase stormed the court every game, win or lose? Eventually, a player or coach or fan would end up getting significantly hurt. I wish there was some wiggle room on the fines though. Maybe everyone gets a free one a year? Would never be approved, just what iffing.
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I don't get why this bothers some folks.
Because its bush!
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Teams now court-storm for a conf championship? I must have missed that.
I definitely recall a court storming for a CUSA championship back at the BC
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I definitely recall a court storming for a CUSA championship back at the BC
Wade's last game-therefore allowed.
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I thought schools had the choice to pay a fine or to donate that amount to a charity.
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Curious as to how many people it takes to become a court storming versus just good old fashioned trespassing. Could 20 Alabama fans, put on Auburn sweatshirts and court storm every game? 50, 100?
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I don't get why this bothers some folks.
They're college kids happy their team won a big game. It's fun. I wish Marquette gave our students more opportunities to storm the court.
Bingo!! 2003 win versus UC to win Conf. USA was great!
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Crean officially out in Georgia.
https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/uga-coach-tom-crean-to-part-ways-after-basketball-season/HJUAG6Q4EFEPHFSKJS52FLU76Q/?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot
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Crean officially out in Georgia.
https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-bulldogs/uga-coach-tom-crean-to-part-ways-after-basketball-season/HJUAG6Q4EFEPHFSKJS52FLU76Q/?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot
Actually, that report specifically says:
After overseeing the losingest season in the history of Georgia basketball, all indications are that Crean and the Bulldogs will part ways after the season concludes, according to multiple people with knowledge of the situation. However, an official decision has not been made.
But yes, he's surely gone, and deservedly so. It's hard to imagine he'll be a P6 head coach again anytime soon. He's pretty good on TV, and that's easy money.
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Actually, that report specifically says:
After overseeing the losingest season in the history of Georgia basketball, all indications are that Crean and the Bulldogs will part ways after the season concludes, according to multiple people with knowledge of the situation. However, an official decision has not been made.
But yes, he's surely gone, and deservedly so. It's hard to imagine he'll be a P6 head coach again anytime soon. He's pretty good on TV, and that's easy money.
Would happily take him as Director of Marketing operations at MU.
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My sincere sympathies. Could not have happened to a more worthy m'fookin', phony ass hole, aina?
Crean sucks
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Hopefully all of you have Bryant 1st half -30 tickets.
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Wright St. beat the Norse.
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Dayton better beef up security when Bryant plays in the first four next week.
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Had no idea, until I Wiki’d him tonight, that SDSU’s coach who replaced TJO was the coach and pricincipal at Burlington Catholic Central for a number of years before getting back into college coaching.
Would think he’s likely a hot name in the next coaching carousel. What he’s done post-TJO has been very very impressive, and he hasn’t had a Mike Daum to aide it.
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Had no idea, until I Wiki’d him tonight, that SDSU’s coach who replaced TJO was the coach and pricincipal at Burlington Catholic Central for a number of years before getting back into college coaching.
Would think he’s likely a hot name in the next coaching carousel. What he’s done post-TJO has been very very impressive, and he hasn’t had a Mike Daum to aide it.
That's wild, my wife graduated from Catholic Central, though it might've been a couple years before his time.
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Does anyone know the policy reason for excluding a new Div I team from post season? It just seems odd other than to screw the new guy.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament)
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That's wild, my wife graduated from Catholic Central, though it might've been a couple years before his time.
Assuming he gets a better job (which you would think is inevitable) thats 2 guys (including Oats) with Wisconsin ties who went to small schools, got their starts coaching at small schools, said no thanks and went to HS coaching/teaching before popping back into mid major coaching and absolutely setting the world on fire.
You could argue Henderson has actually been more impressive and successful at SDSU than TJO. They are gonna be a SCARY 12-13 seed. They shoot like 44% from 3.
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Does anyone know the policy reason for excluding a new Div I team from post season? It just seems odd other than to screw the new guy.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament)
Norlander talked about it on a podcast within the last week. Apparently it's to discourage schools to move up to D1 athletics. They don't get any of a conference's revenue share for the first 5 years. They need to prove they can survive independent of their conference's revenue as an athletic department before they are eligible for post season play and revenue sharing. Pretty absurd policy.
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Does anyone know the policy reason for excluding a new Div I team from post season? It just seems odd other than to screw the new guy.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33456772/division-newcomer-bellarmine-wins-atlantic-sun-championship-ineligible-ncaa-tournament)
Not just the school but the athlete as well. I assume these schools would offer full scholarships to play for their institution. The guys that play at these schools I'm sure like to play ball, but are actually there to get a free college education.
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Jim Boheim is truly a POS
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That’s a horrendous loss for Wake. Could keep them out of the tournament.
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That’s a horrendous loss for Wake. Could keep them out of the tournament.
Going up 10 under 10 and blowing it to a terribly mediocre team is an AWFUL way to go out. And they flat out didn't show up in OT. Getting a TO down 4 with 2 min left and IMMEDIATELY jacking up a bad 3 was pretty emblematic
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Stanford beats Arizona State at the buzzer, going on a 16-1 run to end the game.
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Stanford beats Arizona State at the buzzer, going on a 16-1 run to end the game.
Is that the end for Hurley?
Maybe the s**t show that is ASU football will buy him more time.
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I don’t think Va Tech is in yet, but that win certainly doesn’t help Xavier. Oddly, it may help Wake a smudge. A VT win over ND tomorrow likely gets the Hokies in and Deacs out.
Also, RIP the Bruce Weber era at KSU.
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I see Nebraska followed up their win at the Kohl with a emphatic performance against Northwestern.
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I've seen better offense in middle school games than Virginia-Louisville.
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I've seen better offense in middle school games than Virginia-Louisville.
I’ve said it before, I’m always fascinated by what Tony Bennett sells to talented HS players. Not saying everyone has to run like Bama, but I can’t imagine top 50-100 guys dream of playing in games with 50ish possessions in a half. When the offense isn’t clicking perfectly, it’s excruciating to watch.
It’s easy to say “he sells winning” but players at that level can go to plenty of other schools that win
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Bruce Webber resigned.
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IU just punched their ticket in.
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Jim Boheim is truly a POS
What ... you don't like, "It's everybody's fault ... except Buddy's"?
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Norlander talked about it on a podcast within the last week. Apparently it's to discourage schools to move up to D1 athletics. They don't get any of a conference's revenue share for the first 5 years. They need to prove they can survive independent of their conference's revenue as an athletic department before they are eligible for post season play and revenue sharing. Pretty absurd policy.
Why can't they let the team compete in the tourney, but just not allow them to get any of the revenue?
Dumb
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Why can't they let the team compete in the tourney, but just not allow them to get any of the revenue?
Dumb
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/313/384/872)
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Casey Jacobsen calling games sounds like what Doug Gottlieb sound if he were good.
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It’s going to be funny when Vermont is a 13 seed and plays 4 seed Providence in the first round, and the line is Vermont -2.
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Do we have a reason why Grant Hill is still announcing college games with Raff and Nantz?
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White leaving UF for UGA kind of surprise. Nothing special at a place like Florida but solid. I guess that's about as good as UGA could do considering their history. Florida will be interesting to see who they get. Wojo? ;D
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White leaving UF for UGA kind of surprise. Nothing special at a place like Florida but solid. I guess that's about as good as UGA could do considering their history. Florida will be interesting to see who they get. Wojo? ;D
Does Anthony Grant get another P5 look? Billy Donovan's coaching tree kind of stinks (outside of Grant and Shaka) in terms of success as HCs. So thats likely not the path.
An interesting name would have been Mike Miller. But seeing as he resigned from Memphis to coach HS basketball, maybe he decided the NCAA coaching grind wasn't for him.
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Pretty amusing to watch which teams accepted an NIT bid but clearly don’t care. SLU is absolutely mailing it in.
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Pretty amusing to watch which teams accepted an NIT bid but clearly don’t care. SLU is absolutely mailing it in.
Their point guard, who leads the country in assists, was a late scratch just before the game due to injury.
They will also get a decision soon whether or not their best player, preseason conference player of the year, who missed the entire season due to a torn ACL in an exhibition game, will come back next year or not.
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Pretty amusing to watch which teams accepted an NIT bid but clearly don’t care. SLU is absolutely mailing it in.
SLU isn’t good enough to be a D-1 program.
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If only Yadi still had some eligibility left.
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anyone hear of the controversy surrounding benedict mathurin apparently/allegedly touching the breast of tcu cheerleader on his way off court following their recent win?
appears as though someone trying to create something that isn't there imho. saw the video-the girl doesn't flinch and benedict doesn't even appear to realize anything happened as he walked past her. he had his arms extended on his way off court following a brief acknowledgement of their win and as he passed by her was retracting his arms and walked past her without so much as any realization anything happened. IF he did "touch" her breast, there doesn't seem to be any malice or gratification. the girl never made any mention of it post game
the angle in this view from charlotte observer looks deceiving-
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/ncaa/article259649370.html
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anyone hear of the controversy surrounding benedict mathurin apparently/allegedly touching the breast of tcu cheerleader on his way off court following their recent win?
appears as though someone trying to create something that isn't there imho. saw the video-the girl doesn't flinch and benedict doesn't even appear to realize anything happened as he walked past her. he had his arms extended on his way off court following a brief acknowledgement of their win and as he passed by her was retracting his arms and walked past her without so much as any realization anything happened. IF he did "touch" her breast, there doesn't seem to be any malice or gratification. the girl never made any mention of it post game
the angle in this view from charlotte observer looks deceiving-
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/ncaa/article259649370.html
It's a rare occurrence when I agree with you rocket, but in this case it appears he's looking at the crowd (not her) and walking towards the tunnel with both arms outstretched. After the accidental "boop" he immediately drew his hand in. He's reached out to her (presumably to apologize and clarify that he wasn't attempting to cop a feel), and it's really a non-story - except the media loves a scandal!
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It's a rare occurrence when I agree with you rocket, but in this case it appears he's looking at the crowd (not her) and walking towards the tunnel with both arms outstretched. After the accidental "boop" he immediately drew his hand in. He's reached out to her (presumably to apologize and clarify that he wasn't attempting to cop a feel), and it's really a non-story - except the media loves a scandal!
If anything, this should skyrocket his draft stock. The body control and soft hands to lightly graze her chest, while not even looking at her, and withdraw in time to prevent it from going to full on grope? Tremendous intuition and skill.
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I hope it was accidental, because he is really fun to watch play.
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This is all because he's Canadian.
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or the houston team is perpetuating the narrative hoping they can rattle the young fella and the team
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Musselman has gotten three top 20 recruits to Arkansas next year.
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Musselman has gotten three top 20 recruits to Arkansas next year.
Plus another borderline top 50 guy and 2 more top 100 guys. It’s a MONSTER class