If conference tournaments are Thanksgiving and Christmas is the NCAA Tournament, then welcome to the New Year all you fans of the baby bears, red birds and the crew.
Have you made your resolution yet? Perhaps it's not losing Game 163? Or maybe simply winning Game 1 will do? How about just signing Kimbrel already?
Buckle up, kiddos. This one's going down to the wire.
Edit: Fans of the other divisions are welcome to piss on the NL Central here. It's an equal opportunity pissing match.
Can I piss on the title of this thread since it should be an MLB pissing thread? Plenty of Sox fans on this board and other teams.
Brewer fans, prepare for bad news shortly. You heard it here first.
Speedy recovery
Quote from: MUpilot on March 28, 2019, 01:05:56 AM
Brewer fans, prepare for bad news shortly. You heard it here first.
Speedy recovery
everyone and their mom knows knebel is going to need tj surgery.
Quote from: MUDish on March 27, 2019, 11:52:02 PM
Can I piss on the title of this thread since it should be an MLB pissing thread? Plenty of Sox fans on this board and other teams.
Red Sox?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3161966370/3d94383c6a794fe283e6346d3c7b44b0_400x400.jpeg)
Indians best starting pitching in baseball. Good luck.
Quote from: MUpilot on March 28, 2019, 01:05:56 AM
Brewer fans, prepare for bad news shortly. You heard it here first.
Speedy recovery
Probably true but we'll see. I do think they sign Kimbrel on a one year with a mutual. Frankly, it wouldn't shock me if it's today so they can have a big splash for opening day.
Btw, I sincerely hope Crew fans don't panic if April doesn't go as well as we'd all like. Brutal schedule.
I know Stearns has faith in the starting pitching staff but I don't.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 28, 2019, 09:30:29 AM
I know Stearns has faith in the starting pitching staff but I don't.
Didn't everyone say the same thing last year?
Quote from: jsglow on March 28, 2019, 09:28:34 AM
Btw, I sincerely hope Crew fans don't panic if April doesn't go as well as we'd all like. Brutal schedule.
This is true, but heck, May looks the second toughest month from here, too.
I'm really hopeful - last year was a ton of fun. But I won't panic if this year turns out to be a bit of a swoon. Just about everything broke the Brewers way last year, and now the NL Central - and the NL as a whole - has improved a lot.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 28, 2019, 09:30:29 AM
I know Stearns has faith in the starting pitching staff but I don't.
I like the long term outlook for the staff this year much more than last year. There was a lot of popsicle sticks and glue plastered on that thing last season, bound together by some otherworldly bullpen performances. I think the high bullpen usage trend is here to stay, but this looks like a staff that grow into a lot of high strikeout, if low innings guys - which really fits today's game. They're so young that there'll be some bumps in the road, but its a promising group.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 28, 2019, 09:38:36 AM
This is true, but heck, May looks the second toughest month from here, too.
I'm really hopeful - last year was a ton of fun. But I won't panic if this year turns out to be a bit of a swoon. Just about everything broke the Brewers way last year, and now the NL Central - and the NL as a whole - has improved a lot.
I hadn't looked at May. They need to stay in contention until the ASB and then crank it up second half. Kinda the reverse of what they often do.
Time to head out to Miller Field!!
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 28, 2019, 09:38:36 AM
I'm really hopeful - last year was a ton of fun. But I won't panic if this year turns out to be a bit of a swoon. Just about everything broke the Brewers way last year, and now the NL Central - and the NL as a whole - has improved a lot.
This is where I'm at. They had a lotta magic last year. Regression would not surprise me one bit.
Quote from: jsglow on March 28, 2019, 09:35:43 AM
Didn't everyone say the same thing last year?
Haha yeah, I worry about regression to the mean with some like Chacin though. I'm always skeptical so we'll see. The division is going to be absolutely cutthroat this season. if they model their playoffs like the NBA with top 8 teams i could see 3 or 4 getting in. Early injuries to the bullpen worry me.
L. Cain, CF
C. Yelich, RF
R. Braun, LF
T. Shaw, 3B
J. Aguilar, 1B
M. Moustakas, 2B
Y. Grandal, C
O. Arcia, SS
J. Chacin, P
That is a solid lineup. Catch the fever!
Quote from: MUDish on March 27, 2019, 11:52:02 PM
Can I piss on the title of this thread since it should be an MLB pissing thread? Plenty of Sox fans on this board and other teams.
For Dish and other White Sox fans, what are your expectations for Yoan Moncada this season?
Quote from: RJax55 on March 28, 2019, 12:11:42 PM
For Dish and other White Sox fans, what are your expectations for Yoan Moncada this season?
That's actually a really good question, as this "should" be a breakout year for him. He has to get his K's down, as he led MLB in K's last year. I think their thought is his move to third should increase his OPS. I'll go conservative and hope he gets to 20 HR's, 800 OPS, and gets his K's below 200. I don't know if that's conservative or not, but it would show improvement year over year.
I don't think he'll be a superstar, but I'd like him to be a solid WAR guy, and he's still only 23.
Brewers are fully aware that the beginning of the season will be difficult for many reasons.
They expect the 2nd half to go better then the 1st. Can't wait to see how it plays out
Not today.
ESPN showed the wrong game on national TV today.
Love me some Cain and Yelich
Cain not winning the Gold Glove last year was highway robbery.
It's over, Brewers repeat, rest of Central playing for wildcards. ;)
Quote from: MUpilot on March 28, 2019, 01:05:56 AM
Brewer fans, prepare for bad news shortly. You heard it here first.
That line has been uttered by other teams' fans since the beginning of time....
I don't know if they'll recapture the magic of last year but this was a fun as hell start. Chacin looked good except for 2 pitches, and Hader looked lights out except for 1. Think the lighting contributed to the latter bit still.
And our two stars are still that.
Quote from: MUpilot on March 28, 2019, 01:05:56 AM
Brewer fans, prepare for bad news shortly. You heard it here first.
Speedy recovery
Kimbrel, cum on down, hey?
Them cubbies hitting dingers
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 28, 2019, 07:31:00 PM
Kimbrel, cum on down, hey?
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Doc,
Kimbrel was definitely perused by Mke, however he wants too much cash. :/
Every time Jesus' sees david sterns in the locker room he holds his arm like Kimbrel when he's pitching and sterns laughs. Brewers are definitely trying to "brew" up some magic this year
Resurrecting this thread since the offseason is over.
It's only 3 games, but Moncada looks like a totally different player.
Quote from: MUDish on March 31, 2019, 11:19:43 PM
Resurrecting this thread since the offseason is over.
It's only 3 games, but Moncada looks like a totally different player.
And Yeli looks exactly the same! ;D
Quote from: jsglow on April 01, 2019, 06:41:26 AM
And Yeli looks exactly the same! ;D
Just think what his second half this year might look like.
Yelich is a monster. His slugging right now is hilarious looking.
Baez starting strong, .430 with an OBS of nearly .500, 2 HRs and 6RBI.
Arenado the lone of the NL MVP candidates from last year who didn't start hot.
Hope the brewers don't wait too long to do something at SS. Arcia's defense is obviously very good, but it won't be long before the phrase "Mendoza Line" is replaced by "Arcia Line".
Probably the worst swing I have seen by a major leaguer in at least 20 years. The Anti-Molitor swing. Everything body part moving in every direction and then the swing of a 12-year old girl.
For a team that stressed the importance of getting out of the gates fast, the start of the Cubs season has been a massive dumpster fire.
Quote from: Jockey on April 01, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Hope the brewers don't wait too long to do something at SS. Arcia's defense is obviously very good, but it won't be long before the phrase "Mendoza Line" is replaced by "Arcia Line".
Probably the worst swing I have seen by a major leaguer in at least 20 years. The Anti-Molitor swing. Everything body part moving in every direction and then the swing of a 12-year old girl.
I'm totally fine with it. He's going to be playing positionless baseball on the infield and just put into the hot zones of every hitter. The lineup is so stacked everywhere else they're fine. His defense is way too valuable to not have him in there basically every day, especially if you're leaving Moose at 2nd all year.
Quote from: MUDish on April 01, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
For a team that stressed the importance of getting out of the gates fast, the start of the Cubs season has been a massive dumpster fire.
Well, the MLB Bot did pick the Cubs (us) for last place.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2019, 10:33:39 PM
I'm totally fine with it. He's going to be playing positionless baseball on the infield and just put into the hot zones of every hitter. The lineup is so stacked everywhere else they're fine. His defense is way too valuable to not have him in there basically every day, especially if you're leaving Moose at 2nd all year.
He does have one more option. While it's too early to panic, he's not going to be allowed to approach Couns' record for consecutive outs. If this was some 'rebuilding' year or if he had a solid track record, the leash would be longer. It isn't this year.
Quote from: MUDish on April 01, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
For a team that stressed the importance of getting out of the gates fast, the start of the Cubs season has been a massive dumpster fire.
The Cubs scored 28 runs and played errorless ball for three games.... then were shut out and committed 6. Last night was brutal to watch.
Theo basically gave everyone a right to panic by saying, "October starts in March." Maybe they can make amends by signing Kimbrel.
Quote from: jsglow on April 02, 2019, 09:57:06 AM
He does have one more option. While it's too early to panic, he's not going to be allowed to approach Couns' record for consecutive outs. If this was some 'rebuilding' year or if he had a solid track record, the leash would be longer. It isn't this year.
Plenty of time to get him back on track. No need to make a panic move now.
Quote from: Jockey on April 01, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Hope the brewers don't wait too long to do something at SS. Arcia's defense is obviously very good, but it won't be long before the phrase "Mendoza Line" is replaced by "Arcia Line".
Probably the worst swing I have seen by a major leaguer in at least 20 years. The Anti-Molitor swing. Everything body part moving in every direction and then the swing of a 12-year old girl.
Dubon is the future at short, maybe by the end of the season.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 02, 2019, 11:47:39 AM
Dubon is the future at short, maybe by the end of the season.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 02, 2019, 10:50:08 AM
Plenty of time to get him back on track. No need to make a panic move now.
Perhaps by late May.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2019, 10:33:39 PM
I'm totally fine with it. He's going to be playing positionless baseball on the infield and just put into the hot zones of every hitter. The lineup is so stacked everywhere else they're fine. His defense is way too valuable to not have him in there basically every day, especially if you're leaving Moose at 2nd all year.
This is where I'm at. Taking offensive production, defense, and position together, I'm much more concerned about 1B than SS.
https://giphy.com/gifs/mlb-nlcs-2018-65K9uu1VSHixVxaE6Q
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2019, 07:43:00 PM
https://giphy.com/gifs/mlb-nlcs-2018-65K9uu1VSHixVxaE6Q
Accidentally drank from Yeli's Gatorade bottle, aina?
All good Orlando. Nice work tonight.
Quote from: jsglow on April 02, 2019, 09:01:04 PM
All good Orlando. Nice work tonight.
Now he just needs to learn to run out ground balls. I'll be shocked if he is in the lineup on Friday.
Quote from: Jockey on April 03, 2019, 12:45:06 PM
Now he just needs to learn to run out ground balls. I'll be shocked if he is in the lineup on Friday.
Not a good look, I'll give him one but should never happen again and I would sit him next game.
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on April 03, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
Not a good look, I'll give him one but should never happen again and I would sit him next game.
I don't think you 'give one' to a .050 hitter.
When Freddy throws strikes.......
Quote from: Jockey on April 03, 2019, 01:43:52 PM
I don't think you 'give one' to a .050 hitter.
Then the kid makes a play to end the game, by give one, I meant a teaching moment but I get where you're coming from.
Quote from: Jockey on April 03, 2019, 01:48:35 PM
When Freddy throws strikes.......
Very good things happen.
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on April 03, 2019, 02:12:31 PM
Then the kid makes a play to end the game, by give one, I meant a teaching moment but I get where you're coming from.
No, OI get what you're saying. We pretty much agree.
CC's dilemma is that with Shaw, Moose, and Aguilar, the infield defense leaves a lot to be desired. He has to decide if the sacrifice on offense is worth the extra defense.
Moncada is on the verge of having a monster year. Ball sounds different off his bat, he's pummeling the ball right now with a slash of .450/.522/.900.
Especially with the weather not warm yet, very encouraging. I love his approach to go after strikes early in the count. This is the guy I had hoped would come out of the Sale trade.
Quote from: Jockey on April 03, 2019, 12:45:06 PM
Now he just needs to learn to run out ground balls. I'll be shocked if he is in the lineup on Friday.
This.
Quote from: Jockey on April 03, 2019, 02:36:51 PM
No, OI get what you're saying. We pretty much agree.
CC's dilemma is that with Shaw, Moose, and Aguilar, the infield defense leaves a lot to be desired. He has to decide if the sacrifice on offense is worth the extra defense.
I don't agree with this. Shaw is a significant plus defender. Aguilar is just fine, especially with a solid glove reflected in his defensive metrics from last year. And while Moose is certainly below average, he will make the routine play and has a great bat for a second baseman. Plus the way they move players around, Orlando vacuums the majority of the balls anyway. Personally, I was skeptical of the Moose/Shaw switch until I researched it. Seems like the correct move IF Moose can improve his DP turn. Better to have Shaw back in his natural position where he's a true defensive asset.
That said, Arcia still has to hit. He doesn't have to be great but he still needs to produce at a .240 to remain an everyday short for the Crew.
https://deadspin.com/good-lord-this-jose-alvarado-pitch-is-nasty-1833786911
What the hell? Is that a wiffle ball?
On sale starting today for Cubs fans ;)
(https://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/ce/central-standard-l-flag-bourbon-cubs/central-standard-l-flag-bourbon-cubs_fullsize_story1.jpg?20190404084529)
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2019, 07:50:15 PM
https://deadspin.com/good-lord-this-jose-alvarado-pitch-is-nasty-1833786911
What the hell? Is that a wiffle ball?
Holy hell indeed. Tropicana has become the new Wonder Spot.
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on April 04, 2019, 09:30:15 AM
On sale starting today for Cubs fans ;)
(https://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/ce/central-standard-l-flag-bourbon-cubs/central-standard-l-flag-bourbon-cubs_fullsize_story1.jpg?20190404084529)
The way this season has startered for our Cubs, it will be a short pissing match. Six errors one game, eight walks the next.
Just looking at records, do the Cubs have a disproportionate amount of off days early in the season? I know there was a lot of talk about log stretches last year.
The Cubs have had 2 off days and the Brewers have 1. I haven't looked at schedules closely enough to see if this will help the Brewers later in the season. Especially, since at least at home, there's not a risk of a rainout.
ETA: whoops, thought the Cubs were off today. So may not be as big of a deal as I thought.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2019, 07:50:15 PM
https://deadspin.com/good-lord-this-jose-alvarado-pitch-is-nasty-1833786911
What the hell? Is that a wiffle ball?
Dayumm
I know that this story relates to a single A team (https://www.latimes.com/sports/mlb/la-sp-ballpark-allow-fans-picks-walkup-song-opposing-players-20190404-story.html), but this could be a lot of fun. I'd think that a major league team could raise a lot of money with such a policy. What walk-up music would you pick for a player on the opposing team?
Not to change the subject, but wow, has the world of MLB contracts changed in the last year. Partly collusion and partly deciding to start paying guys for their most productive years (at a discount to owners, as always), it looks like this is the new wave.
Quote from: Jockey on April 04, 2019, 02:14:51 PM
Not to change the subject, but wow, has the world of MLB contracts changed in the last year. Partly collusion and partly deciding to start paying guys for their most productive years (at a discount to owners, as always), it looks like this is the new wave.
Anyone who's taken a managerial or forensic accounting class can tell you that collusion between two parties is difficult, let alone 30 different parties. But honestly, what is there to be gained by MLB owners colluding? This isn't an oil cartel who shuts off supply, the four major airlines conspiring to raise costs for the third-party consumer, or union and management fighting over a contract.... these are 30 separate owners who are competing with each other to win on the field.
For collusion to work, the benefit of breaking from the group cannot outweigh the cost of sticking together - for everyone.
Look at the Kimbrel scenario for a moment... do you think the Brewers are better off signing Kimbrel or agreeing with the other owners not to sign him? The former could make the Brewers a legitimate World Series contender, while the latter, at best, portends that teams like the Cubs and Yankees might be able to shave $10M off their payroll. In other words, there's no benefit for the small market teams to collude in knocking down the upper-end contracts, because they're not the ones offering those contracts.
NFL is different economics, and so it's a different story that draws no parallel here. But to think that MLB owners are in any manner colluding to keep contracts at bay could only be borne from ignorance.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 04, 2019, 02:04:54 PM
I know that this story relates to a single A team (https://www.latimes.com/sports/mlb/la-sp-ballpark-allow-fans-picks-walkup-song-opposing-players-20190404-story.html), but this could be a lot of fun. I'd think that a major league team could raise a lot of money with such a policy. What walk-up music would you pick for a player on the opposing team?
Make it into an app where you can vote as many times for 10 cents, a dollar, whatever, could raise a lot of money for charity.
Personally, I might spend several hundred voting for Wing anytime the Cubs are in town.
https://www.youtube.com/v/XqBWvmhS-AY
Quote from: Benny B on April 04, 2019, 02:45:40 PM
Anyone who's taken a managerial or forensic accounting class can tell you that collusion between two parties is difficult, let alone 30 different parties. But honestly, what is there to be gained by MLB owners colluding? This isn't an oil cartel who shuts off supply, the four major airlines conspiring to raise costs for the third-party consumer, or union and management fighting over a contract.... these are 30 separate owners who are competing with each other to win on the field.
For collusion to work, the benefit of breaking from the group cannot outweigh the cost of sticking together - for everyone.
Look at the Kimbrel scenario for a moment... do you think the Brewers are better off signing Kimbrel or agreeing with the other owners not to sign him? The former could make the Brewers a legitimate World Series contender, while the latter, at best, portends that teams like the Cubs and Yankees might be able to shave $10M off their payroll. In other words, there's no benefit for the small market teams to collude in knocking down the upper-end contracts, because they're not the ones offering those contracts.
NFL is different economics, and so it's a different story that draws no parallel here. But to think that MLB owners are in any manner colluding to keep contracts at bay could only be borne from ignorance.
I don't think there is an agreement to not sign Kimbrel, but, rather a loose agreement on what he can be paid. There were numerous instances this year where a free agent did not get a single offer for months and then received offers for the same amount of money on the same day from several different teams. Coincidence? I don't think so. They are not being obvious about it like the last time, but it is still there. To think that no team needs guys like Kimbrel or Keuchel seems ludicrous.
Quote from: Jockey on April 04, 2019, 02:55:46 PM
I don't think there is an agreement to not sign Kimbrel, but, rather a loose agreement on what he can be paid. There were numerous instances this year where a free agent did not get a single offer for months and then received offers for the same amount of money on the same day from several different teams. Coincidence? I don't think so. They are not being obvious about it like the last time, but it is still there. To think that no team needs guys like Kimbrel or Keuchel seems ludicrous.
I think it's much more likely that Kimbrel and Keuchel are asking for Harper money than there being the semblance of an agreement among 30 owners.
And the reason FA's don't get anything for months and then all the offers "coincidentally" come in on the same day is because of non-tampering rules and "quiet periods" where you can't negotiate with a FA-to-be from another team. That's not collusion... that's written into the CBA.
Quote from: Benny B on April 04, 2019, 03:02:45 PM
I think it's much more likely that Kimbrel and Keuchel are asking for Harper money than there being the semblance of an agreement among 30 owners.
And the reason FA's don't get anything for months and then all the offers "coincidentally" come in on the same day is because of non-tampering rules and "quiet periods" where you can't negotiate with a FA-to-be from another team. That's not collusion... that's written into the CBA.
That's not what I was talking about. There are no non-tampering rules or quiet periods in December, January or February.
Quote from: Benny B on April 04, 2019, 03:02:45 PM
I think it's much more likely that Kimbrel and Keuchel are asking for Harper money than there being the semblance of an agreement among 30 owners.
And the reason FA's don't get anything for months and then all the offers "coincidentally" come in on the same day is because of non-tampering rules and "quiet periods" where you can't negotiate with a FA-to-be from another team. That's not collusion... that's written into the CBA.
How long until the Cubs start getting desperate and consider breaking rank to sign Kimbrel? I thought they might be a dark horse to keep him away from the Brewers, but holy hell their BP has been baaaaad.
Quote from: Benny B on April 04, 2019, 02:45:40 PM
Anyone who's taken a managerial or forensic accounting class can tell you that collusion between two parties is difficult, let alone 30 different parties. But honestly, what is there to be gained by MLB owners colluding? This isn't an oil cartel who shuts off supply, the four major airlines conspiring to raise costs for the third-party consumer, or union and management fighting over a contract.... these are 30 separate owners who are competing with each other to win on the field.
For collusion to work, the benefit of breaking from the group cannot outweigh the cost of sticking together - for everyone.
Look at the Kimbrel scenario for a moment... do you think the Brewers are better off signing Kimbrel or agreeing with the other owners not to sign him? The former could make the Brewers a legitimate World Series contender, while the latter, at best, portends that teams like the Cubs and Yankees might be able to shave $10M off their payroll. In other words, there's no benefit for the small market teams to collude in knocking down the upper-end contracts, because they're not the ones offering those contracts.
NFL is different economics, and so it's a different story that draws no parallel here. But to think that MLB owners are in any manner colluding to keep contracts at bay could only be borne from ignorance.
Yup, it's game theory that rules out collusion.
The better question is to interrogate what the expected ROI on signing Kimbrel is for the Brewers, and to determine what the cost of NOT signing him is.
Attanasio expects to earn $X this season. His payroll costs $Y. Is $Y + Kimbrel > $X? If no, how much does that margin compress?
Regardless, what is the delta for $X with WS contention vs $X narrowly missing the playoffs?
At this point, no team is signing Kimbrel before the draft. It'd be stupid at this point to give up a draft pick when you can sign him mid June and not worry about it.
Quote from: MUDish on April 04, 2019, 07:00:25 PM
At this point, no team is signing Kimbrel before the draft. It'd be stupid at this point to give up a draft pick when you can sign him mid June and not worry about it.
Bingo bango.
Chris Davis is 1 for his last 52 ABs.
C: Sanchez
1B: Goldschmidt
2B: Albies
3B: Rendon
SS: Bregman
OF: Puig
OF: Castellanos
OF: Pollock
UTL: Segura
UTL: Encarnacion
SP: Scherzer
SP: Snell
SP: Mikolas
SP: Castillo
SP: Quintana
RP: Hicks
RP: Strop
RP: Barnes
Bench: Brantley (OF), Peraza (SS), Moustakas (3B), Moncada (2B)
The Cubs are look bad. So very, very bad.
However, my Fantasy team is solidly in 2nd place (out of 10), one week into the season. I know everyone was wondering. Goldschmidt had one very good game, Moncada is a monster, Albies and Rendon are good.
Yu was special tonight. Who gets the boot first, Jed or Joe?
Quote from: Jockey on April 04, 2019, 02:55:46 PM
I don't think there is an agreement to not sign Kimbrel, but, rather a loose agreement on what he can be paid. There were numerous instances this year where a free agent did not get a single offer for months and then received offers for the same amount of money on the same day from several different teams. Coincidence? I don't think so. They are not being obvious about it like the last time, but it is still there. To think that no team needs guys like Kimbrel or Keuchel seems ludicrous.
The agents let it be known what their client will accept.
For example, Kimbrel's agent communicates with 4-5 teams that might be interested and might have the $$ to pay for him, and say, "It's gonna take $XX over X years to land him. Until about 2016, that would have gotten several teams to negotiate. But now, with so few teams seen as able to bid for the highest-priced guys, they just say, "Okey dokey then ... just let us know when he comes down to our price range."
And then it feeds on itself -- kind of like an overpriced house sitting on the market. It might be a perfectly nice house that could have fetched $400K. But the owner asked $559K for it. There were no nibbles, the owners had to keep lowering the price, and eventually it went under $400K.
I mean I know it's April 4th, but if the Cubs get swept in Milwaukee, they'll be 7.5 out before even playing a home game.
Quote from: MUDish on April 04, 2019, 10:08:16 PM
I mean I know it's April 4th, but if the Cubs get swept in Milwaukee, they'll be 7.5 out before even playing a home game.
I happen to believe the saying: "You can't win a pennant in April, but you definitely can lose one in April." The Cubs already are in the danger zone.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 04, 2019, 09:29:20 PM
Yu was special tonight. Who gets the boot first, Jed or Joe?
Joe's gone in October anyway. Might be best for both parties to end this quick than dang it out all season.
Wow. I was joking last night that the Cubs might be mathematically eliminated prior to playing their home opener. Then I open scoop and you guys are talking like that's true. Long season boys. (Admittedly, they don't look good right now.)
"Over the last 35 years, 68 teams have started 1-6 or worse. Twelve of them finished over .500. Only three made the playoffs. By the end of the weekend the Brewers and Cubs could be separated in the standings by as many as 7.5 games or as few as 1.5 games." https://abc7.com/5233529/
And the Cubs look awful, and the Brewers look great.
Quote from: jsglow on April 05, 2019, 07:12:50 AM
Wow. I was joking last night that the Cubs might be mathematically eliminated prior to playing their home opener. Then I open scoop and you guys are talking like that's true. Long season boys. (Admittedly, they don't look good right now.)
Glow, only 106 more years to go.
Can I get a magic number update for the Cubs?
I have to admit, I did not expect that the Brewers could get swept at home by the Cubs in the third series of the season and still be a game and a half up on them in the standings.
Go Crew.
You guys! ;D I'm not going to anoint the Crew just like I'm not going to believe the Cubs fan BS if they happen to win 2 out of 3 this weekend.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on April 05, 2019, 09:12:20 AM
"Over the last 35 years, 68 teams have started 1-6 or worse. Twelve of them finished over .500. Only three made the playoffs. By the end of the weekend the Brewers and Cubs could be separated in the standings by as many as 7.5 games or as few as 1.5 games." https://abc7.com/5233529/
And the Cubs look awful, and the Brewers look great.
I'd disagree a little that the Brewers look great. They are winning games and their bullpen seems to have picked up where it left off. Maybe because it's been so reliant on the homer so far, but the offense isn't really ticking. The exciting thing as a Brewers fan is that it doesn't seem like they are ticking, but they are still grinding out wins.
I'm also the type of person that fully believes the Cubs are going to recover their mojo this weekend and sweep the Brewers.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 05, 2019, 10:23:44 AM
I'd disagree a little that the Brewers look great. They are winning games and their bullpen seems to have picked up where it left off. Maybe because it's been so reliant on the homer so far, but the offense isn't really ticking. The exciting thing as a Brewers fan is that it doesn't seem like they are ticking, but they are still grinding out wins.
I'm also the type of person that fully believes the Cubs are going to recover their mojo this weekend and sweep the Brewers.
Agree that the Crew isn't even scratching the surface yet, especially on offense.
Projecting the Cubs out based on the first week is all about whether you think the pitching will normalize. The offense has been fine. But the bullpen has been a dumpster fire, and the starters only have 1 QS among them over the first week. Personally, I think they'll be (mostly) fine. The 'pen looks no worse than league average to me over a full season - Strop, Edwards, Cishek, Montgomery, Brach and Kintzler can all get the job done. I'd be more worried about the starters. Lester and Hendricks should be fine, steady pieces, but there's a ton of questions after that. Quintana hasn't been the best version of himself for awhile now, Darvish is pretty objectively broken, and they got a big post-trade bump from Hamels that might not bear out again.
The Cubs will be fine. And the Crew will have a slump. And the overreaction will continue. :)
Quote from: wadesworld on April 05, 2019, 09:33:38 AM
Can I get a magic number update for the Cubs?
I have to admit, I did not expect that the Brewers could get swept at home by the Cubs in the third series of the season and still be a game and a half up on them in the standings.
Go Crew.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrewersMagicNum/status/1113265761454313472?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Brauny back on those gummies. 🔥
Quote from: wadesworld on April 05, 2019, 08:09:46 PM
Brauny back on those gummies. 🔥
And sharing with the rest of the lineup eh? What a disaster for the Cubs
Relax boys. Long season. Heck, long game.
Quote from: jsglow on April 05, 2019, 09:22:16 PM
Relax boys. Long season. Heck, long game.
If the Cubs defense/pitching returns to even replacement level, that offense is deadly
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 06, 2019, 12:38:42 PM
If the Cubs defense/pitching returns to even replacement level, that offense is deadly
Is it? Is it somehow better than last year? Honestly asking, who did they add?
Edwards to AAA and Monty to the IL for the Cubs.
thought this stuff doesn't happen at wrigley so it has to be the brewers fans that cause it at wrigley north.
https://www.instagram.com/barstoolchicago/p/Bv7TQTSl2NX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=bqtbtwbq79oq
This Trout kid might have a future
Quote from: WithoutBias on April 06, 2019, 06:07:25 PM
thought this stuff doesn't happen at wrigley so it has to be the brewers fans that cause it at wrigley north.
https://www.instagram.com/barstoolchicago/p/Bv7TQTSl2NX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=bqtbtwbq79oq
Stale cotton candy can cause riots.
Quote from: WithoutBias on April 06, 2019, 06:07:25 PM
thought this stuff doesn't happen at wrigley so it has to be the brewers fans that cause it at wrigley north.
https://www.instagram.com/barstoolchicago/p/Bv7TQTSl2NX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=bqtbtwbq79oq
And this is why it becomes "Wrigley Field North." I can either sell my tickets for 2-3 times what I bought them for and watch the game on TV or I can go sit around a bunch of obnoxious, belligerent Chicago sports fans and watch them start fights. Tough choice!
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2019, 12:04:15 PM
And this is why it becomes "Wrigley Field North." I can either sell my tickets for 2-3 times what I bought them for and watch the game on TV or I can go sit around a bunch of obnoxious, belligerent Chicago sports fans and watch them start fights. Tough choice!
I think the dump on Addison should be called Miller Park South instead.
Quote from: Jockey on April 07, 2019, 03:51:43 PM
I think the dump on Addison should be called Miller Park South instead.
That's our dump and would not trade it for any other.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2019, 12:04:15 PM
And this is why it becomes "Wrigley Field North." I can either sell my tickets for 2-3 times what I bought them for and watch the game on TV or I can go sit around a bunch of obnoxious, belligerent Chicago sports fans and watch them start fights. Tough choice!
The irony. Wisconsin has the most toxic sports fans in the states.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 07, 2019, 08:29:05 PM
The irony. Wisconsin has the most toxic sports fans in the states.
Lol. I've never heard anything but great things by opposing fans about their experiences at Lambeau. Never heard anything bad happening at Bucks games. And only issues I've heard about at Miller Park are Cubs fans beating each other up.
Super toxic though.
Quote from: WithoutBias on April 06, 2019, 06:07:25 PM
thought this stuff doesn't happen at wrigley so it has to be the brewers fans that cause it at wrigley north.
https://www.instagram.com/barstoolchicago/p/Bv7TQTSl2NX/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=bqtbtwbq79oq
Take a closer look. Almost all of the people in that video are wearing royal blue and red.
And this doesn't happen at Wrigley because the riff-raff (from both sides) can't afford to get drunk at Wrigley. There's no parking lot for easy drunkenness via tail-gating, it costs 1.5x to 2x as much to get in the door, and beer inside is at least as expensive if not more.
Cubs-Brewers at Miller brings out the worst in both sides. It's unlikely I (Brewer fan) will ever go again. I'd rather go to Cubs-Brewers at Wrigley, other than the cost of the tickets.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 07, 2019, 08:29:05 PM
The irony. Wisconsin has the most toxic sports fans in the states.
No, not even close. Even without pointing a finger back at Chicago, there's Philly, Detroit, LA, Dallas, New York, and Boston fans that are much higher on the list.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2019, 09:16:07 PM
Lol. I've never heard anything but great things by opposing fans about their experiences at Lambeau. Never heard anything bad happening at Bucks games. And only issues I've heard about at Miller Park are Cubs fans beating each other up.
Super toxic though.
https://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-nfl-teams-with-the-most-fan-arrests/
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2016/10/16/four-arrested-21-ejected-during-packers-game/92224526/
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2018/09/30/green-bay-packers-buffalo-bills-game-lambeau-field-yields-one-arrest-13-ejections-4-hospital/1483119002/
From 7 seconds of searching, guess how much you'll find at miller alone.
Some Brewers fans were terrible to Dodgers fans in the NLCS last year. Other than that I haven't really seen any incidents and I'm typically at 30+ games per year.
That's not to say the Brewers have role model fans. I think 90% there know nothing about baseball and just want to be drunk at the game.
So Unleash said this....
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 07, 2019, 08:29:05 PM
The irony. Wisconsin has the most toxic sports fans in the states.
And then quoted this as proof....
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 07, 2019, 10:48:50 PM
https://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-nfl-teams-with-the-most-fan-arrests/
Is #15 the same as "most"?
And guess who was sitting two spots higher? ;)
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 07, 2019, 10:48:50 PM
https://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-nfl-teams-with-the-most-fan-arrests/
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2016/10/16/four-arrested-21-ejected-during-packers-game/92224526/
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2018/09/30/green-bay-packers-buffalo-bills-game-lambeau-field-yields-one-arrest-13-ejections-4-hospital/1483119002/
From 7 seconds of searching, guess how much you'll find at miller alone.
Lol. So 15th most arrests out of 32 NFL teams. You got me. I'm sold. Unquestionably the most vile fans. :o
As is always the case, alcohol fuels the problem. Folks that can be civil out in the parking lot 2 hours before the game can become problems by the late innings.
I, too, typically dislike games when the Cubs are in town. But I understand the allure. A trip to Miller Park on a Saturday night or Sunday afternoon is a fantastic way to see their ball club play. We had a good time yesterday and everyone we directly interacted with were nice folks, as you should be when visiting. Be a good host; be a good guest too.
And to think that politicians lost their job 25 years ago for voting for the SE WI sales tax to pay for that amazing stadium.
I don't know if I'm joking or not, but I can't figure out if the Cubs are intentionally trying to offend as many people as possible this year, or if it's just constant coincidences.
When you walk the #8 hitter to get to Jon Lester in the 2nd inning karma isn't in your favor. Lester made 'em pay. And the Pirates have collapsed. Wow. Happy for all my Cubs friends on opening day.
Kinda bummed Nats-Orioles don't meet until July. Was really looking forward to that matchup of Trevor Rosenthal (7 earned runs and zero of 9 batters retired in 4 appearances) versus Chris Davis (0 for 44 dating to last year.)
Quote from: jsglow on April 08, 2019, 02:12:52 PM
When you walk the #8 hitter to get to Jon Lester in the 2nd inning karma isn't in your favor. Lester made 'em pay. And the Pirates have collapsed. Wow. Happy for all my Cubs friends on opening day.
A bit presumptuous based on their bullpen (freely admitting you can say the same about the Brewers sans Hader).
Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on April 08, 2019, 02:38:08 PM
Kinda bummed Nats-Orioles don't meet until July. Was really looking forward to that matchup of Trevor Rosenthal (7 earned runs and zero of 9 batters retired in 4 appearances) versus Chris Davis (0 for 44 dating to last year.)
The most likely outcome feels like a Chris Davis single, thrown out trying to advance to 2nd.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 08, 2019, 02:43:19 PM
A bit presumptuous based on their bullpen (freely admitting you can say the same about the Brewers sans Hader).
Ha. I think they might just hang on today. Nip and tuck at 10-0!! :)
Quote from: mikekinsellaMVP on April 08, 2019, 02:38:08 PM
Kinda bummed Nats-Orioles don't meet until July. Was really looking forward to that matchup of Trevor Rosenthal (7 earned runs and zero of 9 batters retired in 4 appearances) versus Chris Davis (0 for 44 dating to last year.)
Has anyone so gratuitously underperformed a non-rookie contract without injuries being a big part of that? I'm sure there are some examples but I can't think of anyone that compares offhand.
The Os just have to buy Davis out.
The Trump administration scuttled Major League Baseball's historic agreement with the Cuban Baseball Federation, arguing that the sport's governing body is part of the Cuban government and that the agreement violates United States trade law.
IOW, no more signing players from Cuba. Players will have to defect to another country before they can be signed.
Quote from: Jockey on April 08, 2019, 06:43:20 PM
The Trump administration scuttled Major League Baseball's historic agreement with the Cuban Baseball Federation, arguing that the sport's governing body is part of the Cuban government and that the agreement violates United States trade law.
IOW, no more signing players from Cuba. Players will have to defect to another country before they can be signed.
No comment.
No comment necessary.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2019, 06:58:38 PM
No comment.
No comment necessary.
It so hard to bite one's tongue when it comes to WPE.
Quote from: Jockey on April 08, 2019, 06:43:20 PM
The Trump administration scuttled Major League Baseball's historic agreement with the Cuban Baseball Federation, arguing that the sport's governing body is part of the Cuban government and that the agreement violates United States trade law.
IOW, no more signing players from Cuba. Players will have to defect to another country before they can be signed.
I thought this was a joke about Cuban baseball players at first. But then I remembered Cubans never stay at first.... they always stretch it into a double.
Light up the halo
Chris Davis arguably had the worst season ever for a hitter last year.
Kudos to him for figuring out how to have an appropriate encore.
Bravo!
Quote from: MU82 on April 09, 2019, 04:47:52 PM
Chris Davis arguably had the worst season ever for a hitter last year.
Kudos to him for figuring out how to have an appropriate encore.
Bravo!
HOF worthy. He has obliterated the Mendoza Line
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 09, 2019, 07:16:56 PM
HOF worthy. He has obliterated the Mendoza Line
Now officially known as the Davis Demarcation.
Light up the Halo..
And light her up again....sweepy
MLB is investigating racist messages sent to reliever Carl Edwards Jr. on Instagram.
Would be really something if the source was Papa Ricketts.
Quote from: MU82 on April 17, 2019, 01:53:53 PM
MLB is investigating racist messages sent to reliever Carl Edwards Jr. on Instagram.
Would be really something if the source was Papa Ricketts.
Lol at thinking Old Man Ricketts could name more than 5 players on that team, much less a middle reliever.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 28, 2019, 09:30:29 AM
I know Stearns has faith in the starting pitching staff but I don't.
I wonder how much longer of a leash some of these guys are going to get. They've been nothing short of a disaster so far.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 17, 2019, 03:16:46 PM
Lol at thinking Old Man Ricketts could name more than 5 players on that team, much less a middle reliever.
You're probably right. But he'd be able to name certain players as "undesirable" based on the color of their skin.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on April 04, 2019, 09:01:16 PM
C: Sanchez
1B: Goldschmidt
2B: Albies
3B: Rendon
SS: Bregman
OF: Puig
OF: Castellanos
OF: Pollock
UTL: Segura
UTL: Encarnacion
SP: Scherzer
SP: Snell
SP: Mikolas
SP: Castillo
SP: Quintana
RP: Hicks
RP: Strop
RP: Barnes
Bench: Brantley (OF), Peraza (SS), Moustakas (3B), Moncada (2B)
I'm in first place three weeks into the season; thanks for asking.
Rendon is my team leader in RBI and Runs (both 18), Goldschmidt in HR (7), Albies in SB (3) and Moncada and Albies are tied in AVG (.333)
I have 3 SP with 3 W's each, Hicks has 3 Saves, Snell is my team leader in K (36), and Castillo is my front-runner in ERS (1.46) and WHIP (0.89)
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on April 18, 2019, 01:23:37 PM
I'm in first place three weeks into the season; thanks for asking.
Rendon is my team leader in RBI and Runs (both 18), Goldschmidt in HR (7), Albies in SB (3) and Moncada and Albies are tied in AVG (.333)
I have 3 SP with 3 W's each, Hicks has 3 Saves, Snell is my team leader in K (36), and Castillo is my front-runner in ERS (1.46) and WHIP (0.89)
Bit confused on how you were able to get Scherzer, Bregman, Goldy, Rendon and Snell all on the same team. 8 team league or something?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 18, 2019, 01:47:29 PM
Bit confused on how you were able to get Scherzer, Bregman, Goldy, Rendon and Snell all on the same team. 8 team league or something?
9 team Rotisserie.
Scherzer was taken 5th overall, (after Trout, Betts, Arrenado, and J.D. Martinez).
Bregman was 14th overall (Jose Ramirez, Trea Turner, Yelich, Acuna, Altuve, Sale, Harper, and deGrom in between).
Goldschmidt was 23rd (Judge, Stanton, Story, Freeman, Baez, Lindor, Machado, Verlander in between).
Snell was 32nd (Kluber, Bryant, Blackmon, Soto, Nola, Marte, Benintendi, Cole)
Rendon was 41st (Carrasco, Buehler, Rizzo, Correa, Syndergaard, Khris Davis, Strasburg).
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on April 18, 2019, 02:06:49 PM
9 team Rotisserie.
Scherzer was taken 5th overall, (after Trout, Betts, Arrenado, and J.D. Martinez).
Bregman was 14th overall (Jose Ramirez, Trea Turner, Yelich, Acuna, Altuve, Sale, Harper, and deGrom in between).
Goldschmidt was 23rd (Judge, Stanton, Story, Freeman, Baez, Lindor, Machado, Verlander in between).
Snell was 32nd (Kluber, Bryant, Blackmon, Soto, Nola, Marte, Benintendi, Cole)
Rendon was 41st (Carrasco, Buehler, Rizzo, Correa, Syndergaard, Khris Davis, Strasburg).
Don't mean to tell you how to run a league, so this is just a suggestion.
I think it's more fun and more challenging to use either the NL or AL only. Requires more prep and you end up having to make choices rather than just selecting all-star teams.
Quote from: Jockey on April 18, 2019, 04:52:28 PM
Don't mean to tell you how to run a league, so this is just a suggestion.
I think it's more fun and more challenging to use either the NL or AL only. Requires more prep and you end up having to make choices rather than just selecting all-star teams.
I know some people do AL or NL only leagues. We've been playing together for a very long time, and I don't think it's going to change.
I don't see how it would be more challenging, however, (aren't you just decreasing the number of possible players?) There are certainly plenty of draft busts, mid-season pick-ups, important cuts, etc. in a league with all players available.
For instance, Yelich wasn't a Yahoo! pre-draft Top 10 OFer in '18, (he was 11). In my league, Tommy Pham, (in a pretty by-the-book pick) was taken before him.
cbsports.com ranks players in Tiers; in '18 Yu Darvish was categorized as "Near Elite." Blake Snell was a "Fallback Option," (listed in between Jeff Samardizja and Mike Clevinger and 10 behind Chase Anderson). I picked up the undrafted Trevor Story in his rookie season and he was amazing.
Is Counsell overworking Hader?
I don't see Brewers games, only box scores and ESPN highlights, but just curious what Brew Crew fans think.
Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2019, 11:35:44 AM
Is Counsell overworking Hader?
I don't see Brewers games, only box scores and ESPN highlights, but just curious what Brew Crew fans think.
Nah, he actually has been pretty careful with his usage. The Brewers pitching problem runs deeper.
Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2019, 11:35:44 AM
Is Counsell overworking Hader?
I don't see Brewers games, only box scores and ESPN highlights, but just curious what Brew Crew fans think.
He ain't got know won else. Should spend da scheckles and bring in both Kimbrel and Kueckel, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 21, 2019, 06:55:27 PM
He ain't know won else. Should spend da scheckles and bring in both Kimbrel and Kueckel, hey?
Yup. Pitching staff is very bad.
Is Jimmy Nelson still alive?
Shane Greene's price keeps going up.
Idiot slides head first back to first base.
Them cubbies are coming back
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 24, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Them cubbies are coming back
Relieved that horrible start didn't bury them in such a tough division. The NL in general is tough this season.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 24, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Them cubbies are coming back
NO way. There is an angry redbird from 300 miles down the road about to crap on the Cubbie Bear's parade.
And he's aggravated.
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 24, 2019, 06:51:31 PM
NO way. There is an angry redbird from 300 miles down the road about to crap on the Cubbie Bear's parade.
And he's aggravated.
Chicago Cubs, 8-2 in last 10. Getting started
I'm more excited to see Vlad Jr. than I am to watch the Brewers minor league pitching staff all season.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 24, 2019, 10:12:02 PM
I'm more excited to see Vlad Jr. than I am to watch the Brewers minor league pitching staff all season.
Vlad, Jr. is going to be REALLY fun to watch.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on April 25, 2019, 09:10:31 AM
Vlad, Jr. is going to be REALLY fun to watch.
I got to see his dad play here for many years and it was amazing. Hoping he can match the hype, should be fun to watch.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on April 25, 2019, 09:10:31 AM
Vlad, Jr. is going to be REALLY fun to watch.
Dude MASHES. He's so fun to watch, and I love that he will be playing in Canada. Kind of a cool nod to Vlad's start.
He's the second most promising and hyped prospect...after Tim Tebow, of course. Off to a scorching start totally justifying his call up to AAA. Chris Davis had better hitting numbers last year than Tebow does this year.
Really enjoying this version of Jason Heyward. He's had a couple of nice streaks before but this one seems different, from the walk and strike out rates to the hard contact. Going to the opposite field with authority more often.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 25, 2019, 10:37:54 AM
Dude MASHES. He's so fun to watch, and I love that he will be playing in Canada. Kind of a cool nod to Vlad's start.
He's the second most promising and hyped prospect...after Tim Tebow, of course. Off to a scorching start totally justifying his call up to AAA. Chris Davis had better hitting numbers last year than Tebow does this year.
You ain't lyin'!
22 K in 55 AB, hitting .164 with /464 OPS and 0 HR.
As a baseball player, he was a great college quarterback.
I hope this almost 32-year-old fossil isn't denying an actual prospect a roster spot.
Quote from: MU82 on April 26, 2019, 12:07:56 AM
You ain't lyin'!
22 K in 55 AB, hitting .164 with /464 OPS and 0 HR.
As a baseball player, he was a great college quarterback.
I hope this almost 32-year-old fossil isn't denying an actual prospect a roster spot.
There are 100s of lifers in aa and aaa with little shot at the majors.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 26, 2019, 09:07:45 AM
There are 100s of lifers in aa and aaa with little shot at the majors.
It also helps that the top part of the Mets minor league system is trash. Their AAA roster is pretty old.
That being said, Tebow is clearly a novelty and not a real prospect.
Yeah, I guess the Mets can be allowed a novelty act.
Maybe next they'll sign a horse who can whinny the Meet The Mets jingle.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 26, 2019, 09:07:45 AM
There are 100s of lifers in aa and aaa with little shot at the majors.
"Little shot"...which is a far bigger shot than Tebow has unless the Wilpons truly are desperate for eyeballs.
Promoting him to AAA was a joke, in both performance and age. He doesn't even compare all that favorably to the lifers.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 25, 2019, 10:37:54 AM
Dude MASHES. He's so fun to watch, and I love that he will be playing in Canada. Kind of a cool nod to Vlad's start.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D49W38vXoAABHSp.jpg:large)
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on April 26, 2019, 12:45:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D49W38vXoAABHSp.jpg:large)
In the late 90's, I went to an Expos game on a visit to Montreal and had the pleasure of seeing Vlad throw someone out at the plate with a rifle throw.
Through one month, there hasn't been a more electric player in MLB than Tim Anderson.
Credit to Paukini, who last year or two years ago, said (paraphrasing here) that he believed in Anderson, when I was ho hum still.
I'm shocked and disappointed that someone would accuse good people like the Ricketts of something like this
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/04/28/report-cubs-privately-threatening-writers-who-criticize-addison-russell/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/04/28/report-cubs-privately-threatening-writers-who-criticize-addison-russell/)
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 28, 2019, 09:01:29 PM
I'm shocked and disappointed that someone would accuse good people like the Ricketts of something like this
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/04/28/report-cubs-privately-threatening-writers-who-criticize-addison-russell/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/04/28/report-cubs-privately-threatening-writers-who-criticize-addison-russell/)
https://twitter.com/espnchicubs/status/1122623184925106177?s=21
:o
I have no problem loving the Cubs but hating their ownership.
Quote from: MUDish on April 27, 2019, 12:02:25 AM
Through one month, there hasn't been a more electric player in MLB than Tim Anderson.
Credit to Paukini, who last year or two years ago, said (paraphrasing here) that he believed in Anderson, when I was ho hum still.
Javier Baez would disagree.
Brewers pitching continues to be a disaster.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on April 29, 2019, 09:06:07 AM
https://twitter.com/espnchicubs/status/1122623184925106177?s=21
:o
Jesse has tons of credibility as a Cubs shill :-\
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on May 02, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
Brewers pitching continues to be a disaster.
Dey suck major ass, aina?
Quote from: Jockey on May 02, 2019, 01:32:56 PM
Jesse has tons of credibility as a Cubs shill :-\
Maybe there's something to it but Rogers is not the only one that's said there's nothing there.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on May 02, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
Brewers pitching continues to be a disaster.
My guess is that this is mostly due to lack of talent and not the new pitching coach. But I could be convinced otherwise.
Had dinner with a member in brewers management tonight. There maybe a disconnect. Counsel and one other I'm aware of can feel a sense of urgency to turn it around. Other players and coaches are making excuses. (We played a tough schedule, it'll be ok).
Asked him about krimbel. Mark antionoso said if he got krimbel that would be the only acquisition this year.
We'll see what happens
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on May 02, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Had dinner with a member in brewers management tonight. There maybe a disconnect. Counsel and one other I'm aware of can feel a sense of urgency to turn it around. Other players and coaches are making excuses. (We played a tough schedule, it'll be ok).
Asked him about krimbel. Mark antionoso said if he got krimbel that would be the only acquisition this year.
We'll see what happens
thank you for the report from the bat boy.
First month of the season has been a happy time for we Cardinal fans!
While 30 games in does not make a season, I'm elated to see Marcel Ozuma hitting, Dexter Fowler finally earning his salary and Goldy being what we expected.
Would be really nice if our redbird would crap all over the Cubby Bear this weekend.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on May 02, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Had dinner with a member in brewers management tonight. There maybe a disconnect. Counsel and one other I'm aware of can feel a sense of urgency to turn it around. Other players and coaches are making excuses. (We played a tough schedule, it'll be ok).
Asked him about krimbel. Mark antionoso said if he got krimbel that would be the only acquisition this year.
We'll see what happens
Buy da tyme Mark moves his ass, da Crew will bee sew far outta da race, it don't matta, hey?
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 03, 2019, 09:27:29 AM
First month of the season has been a happy time for we Cardinal fans!
While 30 games in does not make a season, I'm elated to see Marcel Ozuma hitting, Dexter Fowler finally earning his salary and Goldy being what we expected.
Would be really nice if our redbird would crap all over the Cubby Bear this weekend.
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Hendricks went full on Maddux today.
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 03, 2019, 09:27:29 AM
First month of the season has been a happy time for we Cardinal fans!
While 30 games in does not make a season, I'm elated to see Marcel Ozuma hitting, Dexter Fowler finally earning his salary and Goldy being what we expected.
Would be really nice if our redbird would crap all over the Cubby Bear this weekend.
May wanna get that Redbird some fiber in his diet, seems pretty stopped up.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 03, 2019, 03:57:41 PM
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Fantastic!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 03, 2019, 03:57:41 PM
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What in the hell kind of Jersey is that? Cubs borrow Notre Dame's (sucks) fashion designer? Christ almighty.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 03, 2019, 04:00:01 PM
Hendricks went full on Maddux today.
81 pitches, 63 for strikes. Wow.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 03, 2019, 04:54:05 PM
What in the hell kind of Jersey is that? Cubs borrow Notre Dame's (sucks) fashion designer? Christ almighty.
It's a throwback and it's glorious.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 03, 2019, 04:21:55 PM
May wanna get that Redbird some fiber in his diet, seems pretty stopped up.
Agree! Or to be base, no S#it
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 03, 2019, 04:54:05 PM
What in the hell kind of Jersey is that? Cubs borrow Notre Dame's (sucks) fashion designer? Christ almighty.
It's from players weekend when all teams wear crazy jerseys.
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Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 03, 2019, 09:05:39 PM
It's from players weekend when all teams wear crazy jerseys.
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Guess I was wrong but didn't the Cubs have a similar throwback?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 03, 2019, 09:05:39 PM
It's from players weekend when all teams wear crazy jerseys.
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That White Sox one is awesome. Brewers still meh
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 04, 2019, 12:06:38 PM
That White Sox one is awesome. Brewers still meh
Agreed, I've never loved that yellow.
Oh no, someone find the Redbird a gastrointestinal specialist. Can't have him going the way of George Washington
Quote from: JWags85 on May 04, 2019, 06:39:27 PM
Oh no, someone find the Redbird a gastrointestinal specialist. Can't have him going the way of George Washington
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TAYLOR DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!! What?
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 03, 2019, 09:27:29 AM
First month of the season has been a happy time for we Cardinal fans!
While 30 games in does not make a season, I'm elated to see Marcel Ozuma hitting, Dexter Fowler finally earning his salary and Goldy being what we expected.
Would be really nice if our redbird would crap all over the Cubby Bear this weekend.
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Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 05, 2019, 09:16:00 PM
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can always tell how the chubz are doing based on how active the scoop mlb thread is. if its quiet you know the cubs are sucking.
but wait i forgot, chubz fans didnt go into hiding because of poor play by their beloved team, this thread just causes them to act at their worst so win or lose they were not coming around.
nevermind, thats thrown out the window when theyre winning. it was a nice narrative, though.
Quote from: WithoutBias on May 05, 2019, 09:35:16 PM
can always tell how the chubz are doing based on how active the scoop mlb thread is. if its quiet you know the cubs are sucking.
but wait i forgot, chubz fans didnt go into hiding because of poor play by their beloved team, this thread just causes them to act at their worst so win or lose they were not coming around.
nevermind, thats thrown out the window when theyre winning. it was a nice narrative, though.
There sure seems to be a lot of bias in your statement.
Quote from: WithoutBias on May 05, 2019, 09:35:16 PM
can always tell how the chubz are doing based on how active the scoop mlb thread is. if its quiet you know the cubs are sucking.
but wait i forgot, chubz fans didnt go into hiding because of poor play by their beloved team, this thread just causes them to act at their worst so win or lose they were not coming around.
nevermind, thats thrown out the window when theyre winning. it was a nice narrative, though.
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Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 05, 2019, 09:47:27 PM
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you are right. i shouldve said based on how many gifs are being posted. if it looks like a it might be a group text message between a bunch of 15 year old girls the chubz are hot.
when your posting tendencies are similar to that of crash's you know youre doing it wrong.
Quote from: WithoutBias on May 05, 2019, 09:57:35 PM
you are right. i shouldve said based on how many gifs are being posted. if it looks like a it might be a group text message between a bunch of 15 year old girls the chubz are hot.
when your posting tendencies are similar to that of crash's you know youre doing it wrong.
Welcome to the 2nd person on my block list.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 05, 2019, 10:10:20 PM
Welcome to the 2nd person on my block list.
badge of honor kid. badge of honor.
Quote from: WithoutBias on May 05, 2019, 09:57:35 PM
you are right. i shouldve said based on how many gifs are being posted. if it looks like a it might be a group text message between a bunch of 15 year old girls the chubz are hot.
when your posting tendencies are similar to that of crash's you know youre doing it wrong.
You are literally too stupid to insult.
Most of these posts were in jest to the Cards fan that posted before the series started.
Please, share your "rules" for us Cubs fans about when it's ok for us to post. I'm sure it'll be brilliant.
I find it funny that the guy claiming that fans who use gifs in their posts are acting like teenagers, turns around and uses the phrase "chubs."
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Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 06, 2019, 07:53:08 AM
I find it funny that the guy claiming that fans who use gifs in their posts are acting like teenagers, turns around and uses the phrase "chubs."
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To be fair, it's "chubz" with a "z". ::)
Quote from: WithoutBias on May 05, 2019, 09:57:35 PM
you are right. i shouldve said based on how many gifs are being posted. if it looks like a it might be a group text message between a bunch of 15 year old girls the chubz are hot.
when your posting tendencies are similar to that of crash's you know youre doing it wrong.
What's a pissing match without some pissing?
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Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 05, 2019, 11:28:37 PM
You are literally too stupid to insult.
Most of these posts were in jest to the Cards fan that posted before the series started.
Please, share your "rules" for us Cubs fans about when it's ok for us to post. I'm sure it'll be brilliant.
Wait, I thought the Cardinals fans were the arbiters of MLB rules?
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 06, 2019, 09:45:34 PM
Wait, I thought the Cardinals fans were the arbiters of MLB rules?
They are clearly the best fans in baseball but I wasn't sure they had domain over MUScoop.
By WAR, the two best catchers in baseball both play in Chicago.
Quote from: MUDish on May 07, 2019, 08:32:12 PM
By WAR, the two best catchers in baseball both play in Chicago.
And the dumbest relievers :-\
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 07, 2019, 09:09:25 PM
And the dumbest relievers :-\
Was at the game last night watching Ryan's brain freeze. Unreal but I give him credit for owning it after the game. Just a really poorly played game all around.
KB looks like he's back now.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 07, 2019, 09:01:04 AM
They are clearly the best fans in baseball but I wasn't sure they had domain over MUScoop.
We are and we do! LOL.
Love the back and forth with the local Cubs fans. Not a good weekend but fortunately, this is NOT the NFL!
See you in St. Louis, Cubbies. And get that bird some fiber!
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 07, 2019, 11:13:56 PM
We are and we do! LOL.
Love the back and forth with the local Cubs fans. Not a good weekend but fortunately, this is NOT the NFL!
See you in St. Louis, Cubbies. And get that bird some fiber!
That's Chubbzies to you!
Addison Russell being called up. I'll be curious about the fan reception. Hopefully no ovations of any kind are forthcoming.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 08, 2019, 01:38:29 PM
Addison Russell being called up. I'll be curious about the fan reception. Hopefully no ovations of any kind are forthcoming.
Hate it. Let some other team be a reclamation savior. I understand Theo's point about getting him help, assistance, whatever through the channels they can control, but this just is a bad look.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 08, 2019, 02:26:39 PM
Hate it. Let some other team be a reclamation savior. I understand Theo's point about getting him help, assistance, whatever through the channels they can control, but this just is a bad look.
It has nothing to do with that. The guy is better at baseball than the guys they have on the MLB roster. It's as simple as that.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 08, 2019, 02:26:39 PM
Hate it. Let some other team be a reclamation savior. I understand Theo's point about getting him help, assistance, whatever through the channels they can control, but this just is a bad look.
I don't disagree with you. Does his ex-wife supporting the Cubs decision have any impact on your view?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 08, 2019, 01:38:29 PM
Addison Russell being called up. I'll be curious about the fan reception. Hopefully no ovations of any kind are forthcoming.
comparing a guy who had inappropriate song lyric tweets from 7 years prior outed the second he's on the biggest stage of his career to the adult male who beats women. thats one hell of a comparison.
cubs fans. nothing better.
Quote from: WithoutBias on May 08, 2019, 03:11:35 PM
comparing a guy who had inappropriate song lyric tweets from 7 years prior outed the second he's on the biggest stage of his career to the adult male who beats women. thats one hell of a comparison.
cubs fans. nothing better.
Did I mention your racist homophobe anywhere in my post?
Seek help, clown.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 08, 2019, 02:59:22 PM
I don't disagree with you. Does his ex-wife supporting the Cubs decision have any impact on your view?
No.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 08, 2019, 03:16:51 PM
Did I mention your racist homophobe anywhere in my post?
I assumed this:
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 08, 2019, 01:38:29 PM
Hopefully no ovations of any kind are forthcoming.
Was a callback to the conversation that happened last season about Brewers' fans giving Hader a standing ovation in his first appearance after his racist/homophobic tweets surfaced during the All Star game and whether or not Cubs' fans would have done the same thing if it happened to one of their players.
Was my assumption wrong?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 08, 2019, 04:05:28 PM
I assumed this:
Was a callback to the conversation that happened last season about Brewers' fans giving Hader a standing ovation in his first appearance after his racist/homophobic tweets surfaced during the All Star game and whether or not Cubs' fans would have done the same thing if it happened to one of their players.
Was my assumption wrong?
I have heard a lot of discussion about Cubs fans welcoming Chapman with a standing "o" when he first pitched at Wrigley. I assumed that was what was being referenced.
"How will Addison Russell be treated when he returns" has been discussed
ad nauseam by Chicago SportsTalk and papers all off-season. I honestly haven't heard Hader referenced.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 08, 2019, 02:59:22 PM
I don't disagree with you. Does his ex-wife supporting the Cubs decision have any impact on your view?
Not especially. I applaud her maturity and seems that she's moved on. But I have no desire to see him in uniform again.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on May 08, 2019, 04:10:40 PM
I have heard a lot of discussion about Cubs fans welcoming Chapman with a standing "o" when he first pitched at Wrigley. I assumed that was what was being referenced.
"How will Addison Russell be treated when he returns" has been discussed ad nauseam by Chicago SportsTalk and papers all off-season. I honestly haven't heard Hader referenced.
Yup. Tons of people were up in arms about Chapman, understandably, and the excitement for his arrival despite his checkered history. This is just another sticky situation to deal with and you hope fans don't treat him like he's a returning hero.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 08, 2019, 04:05:28 PM
I assumed this:
Was a callback to the conversation that happened last season about Brewers' fans giving Hader a standing ovation in his first appearance after his racist/homophobic tweets surfaced during the All Star game and whether or not Cubs' fans would have done the same thing if it happened to one of their players.
Was my assumption wrong?
It was a just a general comment about how teams have welcomed or welcomed back players that have done bad things. I was thinking of Chapman in this instance as I didn't recall him receiving an ovation from Cubs fans at his first game when he in fact did. I remembered that incorrectly and hope Russell is not greeted in the same way.
I came to say this thread is about to become spicy. But it was already spicy when I arrived.
I'm all for second chances, but the passing of time and evolution of human character (insofar as you believe in that sort of thing) makes the Hader and Russell situations. And when you get second chances, that's great - hope you take advantage, but let's not make this a personal redemption story or something you 'overcame'. Both fan bases were/would be/will be wrong to give an ovation to that.
Same deal as Tiger Woods - you can be amazed by him overcoming all of the injuries, surgeries, uncertainty if he'd ever play again, but as soon as you lump his personal shortcomings into the triumph, you're doing it wrong.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 08, 2019, 04:55:38 PM
I'm all for second chances, but the passing of time and evolution of human character (insofar as you believe in that sort of thing) makes the Hader and Russell situations. And when you get second chances, that's great - hope you take advantage, but let's not make this a personal redemption story or something you 'overcame'. Both fan bases were/would be/will be wrong to give an ovation to that.
Same deal as Tiger Woods - you can be amazed by him overcoming all of the injuries, surgeries, uncertainty if he'd ever play again, but as soon as you lump his personal shortcomings into the triumph, you're doing it wrong.
Russell's interviews since his original press conference, which was obviously heavily scripted, have left a lot to be desired. Too often he's framed it as something he's overcoming, which I hate.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 08, 2019, 02:57:06 PM
It has nothing to do with that. The guy is better at baseball than the guys they have on the MLB roster. It's as simple as that.
Wades is usually dumb as a doorknob, but today he said something correct.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 08, 2019, 02:57:06 PM
It has nothing to do with that. The guy is better at baseball than the guys they have on the MLB roster. It's as simple as that.
Wow. That is pretty sad. He is Jose Iglesias with a touch more power. In other words, a well below average hitter who plays nice defense.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 08, 2019, 06:08:51 PM
Wades is usually dumb as a doorknob, but today he said something correct.
Quote from: Jockey on May 08, 2019, 06:19:21 PM
Wow. That is pretty sad. He is Jose Iglesias with a touch more power. In other words, a well below average hitter who plays nice defense.
I wouldn't say better than guys on the MLB roster but with Zobrist on the reserved list, Descalso banged up, and Happ still working on his swing, he's the best option to call up.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 08, 2019, 01:38:29 PM
Addison Russell being called up. I'll be curious about the fan reception. Hopefully no ovations of any kind are forthcoming.
Mostly boos with some light applause.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 08, 2019, 07:35:27 PM
Mostly boos with some light applause.
You sure that wasn't just the sound of open hands on cheeks?
Betta not play the circle game at Wrigley
Quote from: Benny B on May 09, 2019, 08:55:10 AM
You sure that wasn't just the sound of open hands on cheeks?
Cheeks isn't Warrior Dad, a die hard Cubs fan, dontchaknow.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 09, 2019, 02:31:15 PM
Betta not play the circle game at Wrigley
Pretty clear that is not what he was doing. Having said that, the Cubs handled this pathetically.
Quote from: Jockey on May 09, 2019, 03:00:47 PM
Pretty clear that is not what he was doing. Having said that, the Cubs handled this pathetically.
How so?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 09, 2019, 03:07:19 PM
How so?
Drawing the line on a fan making a racially charged gesture and carving out a line around domestic violence?
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 09, 2019, 03:37:09 PM
Drawing the line on a fan making a racially charged gesture and carving out a line around domestic violence?
So I agree that they handled the Russell situation poorly. But I thought they handled the situation with the fan well. My understanding is that once they figured out who this guy was, that they discovered his social media accounts, which is why they acted how they did. And this was after trying to reach out to him with no response.
Yelich's Home/Road Splits. Quite a difference.
Christian Yelich At Home in 2019: .406/.524/1.141 (300 wRC+); 20.7% walk rate, 13.4% strikeout rate, 57.7% HR/FB
Christian Yelich on the Road in 2019: .296/.377/.389 (103 wRC+); 9.8% walk rate, 23.0% strikeout rate, 9.1% HR/FB
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 10, 2019, 12:34:15 PM
Yelich's Home/Road Splits. Quite a difference.
Christian Yelich At Home in 2019: .406/.524/1.141 (300 wRC+); 20.7% walk rate, 13.4% strikeout rate, 57.7% HR/FB
Christian Yelich on the Road in 2019: .296/.377/.389 (103 wRC+); 9.8% walk rate, 23.0% strikeout rate, 9.1% HR/FB
Let's hope Yeli decides to be a lifer.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 10, 2019, 12:34:15 PM
Yelich's Home/Road Splits. Quite a difference.
Christian Yelich At Home in 2019: .406/.524/1.141 (300 wRC+); 20.7% walk rate, 13.4% strikeout rate, 57.7% HR/FB
Christian Yelich on the Road in 2019: .296/.377/.389 (103 wRC+); 9.8% walk rate, 23.0% strikeout rate, 9.1% HR/FB
That's wild and certainly unsustainable. Though the regression might not be as severe as it looks. Small sample size, but MKE currently has 3 guys in the top 15 in baseball in HR/FB (Braun is 10th and Moose is 14th). I haven't looked at Braun and Moose's splits, but I'd guess they lean heavily toward Miller Park too. So either regression is going to hit this team really hard or its reasonably sustainable because of how Miller Park is playing this year.
Lots of sun in Chicago today, surprised they are playing the game
Quote from: jsglow on May 10, 2019, 12:59:37 PM
Let's hope Yeli decides to be a lifer.
My plan is to enjoy the hell out of watching him while I can and won't begrudge his $400M payday when he goes to Bos/NYY for his next contract. He might be one of the largest outperform-your-contract guys I can think of.
Quote from: jficke13 on May 10, 2019, 04:45:51 PM
My plan is to enjoy the hell out of watching him while I can and won't begrudge his $400M payday when he goes to Bos/NYY for his next contract. He might be one of the largest outperform-your-contract guys I can think of.
Yep. Outplayed the remainder of his contract last year if you believe the est value of 1 WAR
Quote from: MUBurrow on May 10, 2019, 01:15:01 PM
That's wild and certainly unsustainable. Though the regression might not be as severe as it looks. Small sample size, but MKE currently has 3 guys in the top 15 in baseball in HR/FB (Braun is 10th and Moose is 14th). I haven't looked at Braun and Moose's splits, but I'd guess they lean heavily toward Miller Park too. So either regression is going to hit this team really hard or its reasonably sustainable because of how Miller Park is playing this year.
Miller Park has become a HR mecca with the juiced ball and raised seams.
Miller
Quote from: jficke13 on May 10, 2019, 04:45:51 PM
My plan is to enjoy the hell out of watching him while I can and won't begrudge his $400M payday when he goes to Bos/NYY for his next contract.
Just curious.. You wouldn't begrudge the Brewers for not paying up and signing him? The Brewers are Top 10 in attendance, have the 14th highest average ticket price, the park was built with public funds, there's no salary cap, etc. Isn't it about time Brewers fans join the age-old tradition of calling your owner 'cheap" if he lets good players leave? At least until they win a World Series?
I can be pissed that Milwaukee won't speed $200M+/yr on payroll and always be angry. I could be pissed at the sun for refusing to set in the east too for all the good it will do me.
Besides I said I wouldn't begrudge Yelli for getting paid. It's be awfully crappy of me to take Attanasio not paying Yelich out on Yelich...
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on May 10, 2019, 08:35:10 PM
Just curious.. You wouldn't begrudge the Brewers for not paying up and signing him? The Brewers are Top 10 in attendance, have the 14th highest average ticket price, the park was built with public funds, there's no salary cap, etc. Isn't it about time Brewers fans join the age-old tradition of calling your owner 'cheap" if he lets good players leave? At least until they win a World Series?
Small market teams can afford the biggest contracts. Pretty cut and dried.
Quote from: Jockey on May 10, 2019, 11:57:56 PM
Small market teams can afford the biggest contracts. Pretty cut and dried.
Of course they can afford the biggest contracts. But can they afford multiple big contracts. That's the question. So if they sign Yelich for that amount...then what?
And the big money maker isn't attendance, it's local television revenue. Here is a table of the revenue differences in 2017
https://www.statista.com/statistics/193645/revenue-of-major-league-baseball-teams-in-2010/
Hey Chicago, what do you say, the Cubs are going to lose today! ;D
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 11, 2019, 06:59:23 AM
Of course they can afford the biggest contracts. But can they afford multiple big contracts. That's the question. So if they sign Yelich for that amount...then what?
And the big money maker isn't attendance, it's local television revenue. Here is a table of the revenue differences in 2017
https://www.statista.com/statistics/193645/revenue-of-major-league-baseball-teams-in-2010/
Bingo. That was my point.
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on May 11, 2019, 09:12:59 AM
Hey Chicago, what do you say, the Cubs are going to lose today! ;D
Gifs only AD. This division is a tough one.
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Today's game is entirely on Craig. Maybe after the 18th time your leadoff man walks and it's followed up by a routine double play he'd think maybe a bunt when you need one run to win the game.
Jesus and Travis need to start producing or it's time to give Keston his shot and move Moose back to third.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 11, 2019, 07:59:05 PM
Gifs only AD. This division is a tough one.
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That game was painful for everyone involved.
Beautiful play Schwarbs.
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Quote from: wadesworld on May 12, 2019, 07:05:15 PM
Beautiful play Schwarbs.
Stealing signs for Yelich at Wrigley North? :D
Hiura called up. Time to move Moose to third and have Thames in there every day, at least against righties. Need something from your corner infielders, especially if your pitching staff isn't good.
Now it's time for Counsell to stop managing like he's in the middle of an early September pennant race with the best bullpen in baseball at his service like he had last year. It's May and his bullpen is not very good. If his starter is looking strong it's time to let them go past 4-5 innings.
Apparently Shaw is "injured."
Yeah, his bat has a busted sweet spot, aina?
I miss Travis Shaw. Trade Keston Hiura for baseball bats
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 16, 2019, 03:45:11 PM
I miss Travis Shaw. Trade Keston Hiura for baseball bats
You can have Tyler Thornburg back for him if you want. Although, as much as I hate that trade, if the Red Sox didn't make it, they probably would have had Shaw platooning at first last year instead of trading for Pearce and they may not have won the World Series. Sometimes bad trades actually work out.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 14, 2019, 10:02:21 AM
...especially if your pitching staff isn't good.
12th in Team Era on the season. 2.38 over the last two weeks.
Pitching staff is fine. Now that we have Gio, players are settled into more appropriate roles (like Burnes in the pen, Freddy and the opener, etc). When Chase and Jimmy come back the Brewers pitching will be really really deep.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on May 17, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
12th in Team Era on the season. 2.38 over the last two weeks.
Pitching staff is fine. Now that we have Gio, players are settled into more appropriate roles (like Burnes in the pen, Freddy and the opener, etc). When Chase and Jimmy come back the Brewers pitching will be really really deep.
I'm incredibly, incredibly skeptical that Gio and Davies will be sub 2.00 ERA guys this year. Or sub 3.00 for that matter. If they are the pitching staff will be fine yes, but I just don't see it. I expect nothing from Nelson. Almost 2 full years off now. And we'll see about Chase. But those two will add the depth so if/when Davies/Gio fall off hopefully one of them and Chacin are stepping up.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 17, 2019, 12:34:32 PM
I'm incredibly, incredibly skeptical that Gio and Davies will be sub 2.00 ERA guys this year. Or sub 3.00 for that matter. If they are the pitching staff will be fine yes, but I just don't see it. I expect nothing from Nelson. Almost 2 full years off now. And we'll see about Chase. But those two will add the depth so if/when Davies/Gio fall off hopefully one of them and Chacin are stepping up.
Davies
Gio
Nelson
Anderson
Chacin
If these guys could pitch to 80% of their potential (or at least what they've shown they can do in recent years), you might not have a bona fide front-line starter, but there could easily be four legitimate #2 starters in that group, maybe even all five.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 17, 2019, 12:34:32 PM
I'm incredibly, incredibly skeptical that Gio and Davies will be sub 2.00 ERA guys this year. Or sub 3.00 for that matter. If they are the pitching staff will be fine yes, but I just don't see it. I expect nothing from Nelson. Almost 2 full years off now. And we'll see about Chase. But those two will add the depth so if/when Davies/Gio fall off hopefully one of them and Chacin are stepping up.
That's fair, but also what we said last year. I don't think anyone thought we'd keep it up to that level, and guys went out there and kept throwing good games.
Mets DFA'd Broxton today. He's had a rough start to the season, but his numbers aren't that far off what he did as an everyday player in Milwaukee in 2017. I don't think he'll ever be more than a situational fourth and a half OF type, but I don't get what the Mets thought they saw in him 5 months ago when they traded three prospects for him (headed by Wahl and Hill who are both t-30 guys in the Brewers system) that they're suddenly sure isn't there now.
Quote from: MUBurrow on May 17, 2019, 04:24:27 PM
Mets DFA'd Broxton today. He's had a rough start to the season, but his numbers aren't that far off what he did as an everyday player in Milwaukee in 2017. I don't think he'll ever be more than a situational fourth and a half OF type, but I don't get what the Mets thought they saw in him 5 months ago when they traded three prospects for him (headed by Wahl and Hill who are both t-30 guys in the Brewers system) that they're suddenly sure isn't there now.
Think they saw some plus defensive plays and a place where he could get more consistent playing time. But he strikes out way too damn much to be any lasting contributor
Wow. I'd take him back for AAA depth.
Quote from: jsglow on May 18, 2019, 09:34:23 AM
Wow. I'd take him back for AAA depth.
I agree. He's out of options, which I think was a big part of the decision to trade him in January (same with Santana - the swap for Gamel was basically to get the flexibility of a guy with options without losing too much quality). But I think he may have to accept a split contract or something, given his numbers. Maybe he finds a bad team willing to endure his K's for speed and defense, but until his discipline improves, he'll struggle to stick on most rosters before they expand on Sept 1.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 17, 2019, 11:00:43 PM
Think they saw some plus defensive plays and a place where he could get more consistent playing time. But he strikes out way too damn much to be any lasting contributor
Definitely true. More an indictment of the Mets front office than anything. He was always a high K guy, so they should've realized that'd be a work in progress. And he was redundant there from day 1 with Lagares on the roster.
Joe Maddon not a fan of unwritten rules but is a big fan of selective reading of the written ones, eh?
I am not a fan of late season rentals, but my Astros should go get Madison Bumgarner for the rest of the season. We have Verlander and Cole but our No 3 starter has been McHugh (back to bullpen) Corbin Martin (rookie, not playoff ready), Brad Peacock (better suited to long relief) and ex Brewer Wade Miley (starting today) In playoffs we would be better with Madison as our no 3. Renting him is not so bad as Lance McCullers is back next year.
Next to Hader, our bullpen is best....as combo of Pressley Osuna lets us shut down the late innings (we are 31-0) when leading in 7th.
Hitting strength is top to bottom best in the game...this with Altuve struggling/dinged up. See:
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26741260/real-not-astros-offense-best-mlb-history
Injuries and season long focus (our division teams threw into rebuilds this year...so AL West is weaker, than prior years) will be unknowns for the rest of the summer.
If you get a chance, the Astros are fun to watch
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 19, 2019, 09:51:17 AM
Joe Maddon not a fan of unwritten rules but is a big fan of selective reading of the written ones, eh?
Pretty sure it had more to do with this:
A) it being a really stupid rule
B) cj Edwards wasn't allowed to do it
C) Doolittle does a very similar tap
D) it is and isn't enforced
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 19, 2019, 10:11:26 AM
Pretty sure it had more to do with this:
B) cj Edwards wasn't allowed to do it
I think it's B more than anything else. Edwards has had a lot of crap thrown at him this year between injury, poor performance, racist instagram comments, etc., and could use all the allies he can get. Edwards practiced his "hesitation" all off-season, pitched that way in Spring Training, and then was told it was against the rules during the first series of the season. If Doolittle's doing the same thing six weeks later, he should be punished the same way.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on May 19, 2019, 10:56:08 AM
I think it's B more than anything else. Edwards has had a lot of crap thrown at him this year between injury, poor performance, racist instagram comments, etc., and could use all the allies he can get. Edwards practiced his "hesitation" all off-season, pitched that way in Spring Training, and then was told it was against the rules during the first series of the season. If Doolittle's doing the same thing six weeks later, he should be punished the same way.
Not even remotely close to the same thing.
Quote from: panda on May 19, 2019, 11:29:13 AM
Not even remotely close to the same thing.
Support: https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1130104277760978944?s=19 (https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1130104277760978944?s=19)
I don't have a horse in this race, but Edwards's step looks qualitatively different than Doolittle's to me. Doolittle's is a tap in the course of his momentum toward the plate, whereas Edwards's looks like two distinct motions and much more balk-like. I forthrightly have no idea if that has any bearing on how the rule is to be read. But if Edwards was jerked around by MLB, Maddon has a right to be pissed about that, independent of Doolittle's toe tap.
Solid .500 trip by the Crew against outstanding competition. It's been a gauntlet so far.
I remember before the season some informed scooper said if they could survive until Memorial Day.......
Quote from: panda on May 19, 2019, 11:29:13 AM
Not even remotely close to the same thing.
Both are a step towards the plate while in motion. They are very much the same thing.
Toe tap vs. foot plant are completely different and you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.
Quote from: panda on May 19, 2019, 05:23:37 PM
Toe tap vs. foot plant are completely different and you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise.
Then why was Cory Gearrin of the Mariners also deemed to have an illegal motion when he does a toe tap?
Personally, I think they all should be illegal as you are stopping your pitching motion when you do it.
A blatant start and stop is much different than a subtle (rarely touching the ground) toe tap. One is gamesmanship, which up to umpire discretion can be stopped, and one stop and start motion which is blatantly illegal.
I have no problem if you say that you like Maddon standing up for his guy, but to try and debate whether or not what Edwards does is legal is laughable.
https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1129934106891046917
This was the protested "tap" for whatever it's worth...
Quote from: panda on May 19, 2019, 08:26:53 PM
https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1129934106891046917
This was the protested "tap" for whatever it's worth...
Hide your children
Quote from: panda on May 19, 2019, 08:12:59 PM
but to try and debate whether or not what Edwards does is legal is laughable.
I agreed above that Edwards' motion should be illegal along with the others. Carl definitely pauses significantly longer but they all pause. You can't stop your motion once you start.
Well, I find this very interesting. Not sure where the line is in terms of legality but what Edwards does (at least according to the clips I've seen) surely isn't. That's a start and stop for sure. Now what we do need is more Luis Tiant. That dude was freakin' cool.
I would like to know MLB's reasoning behind deeming Cory Gearrin's move illegal and Sean Doolitle's move legal. Those moves are much more comparable than Doolittle's and Edwards'.
At Petco tonight for Dbacks/Pads. First time here, what a gem of a stadium. Might be my second favorite after SF.
Quote from: MUDish on May 20, 2019, 08:32:00 PM
At Petco tonight for Dbacks/Pads. First time here, what a gem of a stadium. Might be my second favorite after SF.
It is one of five best in my opinion and I've been to most. The crack nachos are very good.
Quote from: jsglow on May 20, 2019, 07:56:43 AM
Now what we do need is more Luis Tiant. That dude was freakin' cool.
Yes he was.
Fernando Valenzuela was, too.
Quote from: MUDish on May 20, 2019, 08:32:00 PM
At Petco tonight for Dbacks/Pads. First time here, what a gem of a stadium. Might be my second favorite after SF.
I was a little less enamored with Petco. Feels like it was designed to be quirky for the sake of being quirky. Agree with you about SF, though, that place is fantastic. Pittsburgh and SF my two favorites, but I still have 7 to go.
Just curious, how would you guys rank the ballparks you've been to?
For me:
1) Wrigley (now that the renovations are complete)
2) New Busch
3) Minute Maid
4) Miller
5) New Yankee
6) Guaranteed Rate
7) Progressive
8) Target
9) Old Busch
10) Citi
11) Old Yankee
12) Shea
13) Astrodrome
14) Tropicana
EDIT: Forgot Cleveland
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 21, 2019, 09:43:37 AM
Just curious, how would you guys rank the ballparks you've been to?
For me:
1) Wrigley (now that the renovations are complete)
2) New Busch
3) Minute Maid
4) Miller
5) New Yankee
6) Guaranteed Rate
7) Target
8) Old Busch
9) Citi
10) Old Yankee
11) Shea
12) Astrodrome
13) Tropicana
LOL!
Quote from: WithoutBias on May 21, 2019, 09:55:32 AM
LOL!
Just curious, when's the last time you were at Wrigley?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 21, 2019, 10:07:56 AM
Just curious, when's the last time you were at Wrigley?
I'm going tonight. I go by myself and usually make it to one Tuesday game a month.
I bought a ticket last week, figuring it would either be 80 degrees or 45 and rainy. I also don't have a smartphone-- try buying a Cubs ticket without a fucking smartphone; it's not very easy.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 21, 2019, 09:43:37 AM
Just curious, how would you guys rank the ballparks you've been to?
For me:
1) Wrigley (now that the renovations are complete)
2) New Busch
3) Minute Maid
4) Miller
5) New Yankee
6) Guaranteed Rate
7) Target
8) Old Busch
9) Citi
10) Old Yankee
11) Shea
12) Astrodrome
13) Tropicana
It's tough to put Wrigley somewhere, because I root for the home team. The rest:
1. Old Tiger Stadium (I was 8, but I still think about it)
2. Miller Park
3. The old Comiskey Park (the pre 1990-building. We had season tix when I was a kid)
4. Current St. Louis Stadium
5. Current White Sox park
6. Fenway
7. County Stadium
8. Nationals Park
9. Current Tigers Park
I forgot I went to Fenway. It was neat, but not the "Mecca" it was supposed to be.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on May 21, 2019, 10:21:04 AM
It's tough to put Wrigley somewhere, because I root for the home team.
Right. I couldn't fault someone for liking their home park the best since that's where all their best memories likely are and what they know the best. Even if you are a Rays fan haha.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on May 21, 2019, 10:13:54 AM
I also don't have a smartphone-- try buying a Cubs ticket without a unnatural carnal knowledgeing smartphone; it's not very easy.
Just a thought, but you may want to join the 21st century.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 21, 2019, 10:34:43 AM
Just a thought, but you may want to join the 21st century.
There is a rather large number of people in their 60's and 70's that don't own a smartphone. This was my concern about Fiserv going the direction they were.
Quote from: Cheeks on May 21, 2019, 11:06:34 AM
There is a rather large number of people in their 60's and 70's that don't own a smartphone. This was my concern about Fiserv going the direction they were.
They should get one.
No I just think in today's day and age people should use one. Or stop complaining about the businesses that decide to use the technology.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on May 21, 2019, 10:13:54 AM
I bought a ticket last week, figuring it would either be 80 degrees or 45 and rainy. I also don't have a smartphone-- try buying a Cubs ticket without a unnatural carnal knowledgeing smartphone; it's not very easy.
Do they still have a hitching post for your horse?
1. AT&T (Oracle) Park
2. Suntrust
3. Target Field
4. Coors Field
5. Wrigley
6. Busch Stadium
7. Yankee Stadium
8. Marlins Park
9. Angels
10. Miller Park
11. Great American Ball Park
12. Dodger Field
13. Guaranteed Rate
Crossing PNC off the list in July.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 21, 2019, 09:43:37 AM
Just curious, how would you guys rank the ballparks you've been to?
For me:
1) Wrigley (now that the renovations are complete)
2) New Busch
3) Minute Maid
4) Miller
5) New Yankee
6) Guaranteed Rate
7) Progressive
8) Target
9) Old Busch
10) Citi
11) Old Yankee
12) Shea
13) Astrodrome
14) Tropicana
EDIT: Forgot Cleveland
The homer-ism is strong with this one.
Here's my list:
Fenway
SunTrust (Braves)
Great American
Miller Park
Target Field
Wrigley
T-Mobile (Mariners)
Minute Maid
Comerica (Tigers)
Angel Stadium
Arlington
Chase Field
Guaranteed Rate
Oakland Colliseum
Tropicana
I've also been to the old Yankees, Mets, and Cardinals stadiums, but never made it to the new ones.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on May 21, 2019, 12:01:34 PM
The homer-ism is strong with this one.
The renovations have made it a whole new stadium. Prior to the renovations, I'd put it third behind Busch and Minute Maid. If I get a chance to go to PNC I'm pretty sure I'll move Wrigley to 2.
If Wrigley being my favorite stadium I've been to makes me a homer, so be it.
1. Busch
1b. Wrigley
2. Fenway
3. Twins
4. PawSox
9. Miller
50. Tropicana
99. comiskey
9999999. Soldier field
Not a lot of love for Camden Yards, it seems.
It and PNC are my two faves of all I've been to ... and I've been to all of 'em except new Yankees, Mets, Braves, Rangers and Marlins parks.
We have a great new minor-league park in downtown Charlotte, though it's hard for me to get seriously into AAA games because I like having a clue about the players I'm watching.
Quote from: MU82 on May 21, 2019, 01:28:45 PM
Not a lot of love for Camden Yards, it seems.
It and PNC are my two faves of all I've been to ... and I've been to all of 'em except new Yankees, Mets, Braves, Rangers and Marlins parks.
We have a great new minor-league park in downtown Charlotte, though it's hard for me to get seriously into AAA games because I like having a clue about the players I'm watching.
Camden Yards, PNC, and whatever they renamed San Francisco are probably the three I most want to visit. I've never heard anything bad about any of them.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 21, 2019, 01:18:13 PM
1. Busch
I am a big fan of Busch. Beautiful stadium looking at the arch and ballpark village is like Wrigley rooftops on steroids. I also really enjoyed the old Busch Stadium scoreboards and other items above the concourses.
It's also pretty cool if you have ballpark village rooftop seats they still let you in the actual stadium.
I rated Guaranteed Rate last of the stadiums I've visited but I did enjoy both my visits there. I have yet to visit a stadium that I would consider "bad".
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on May 21, 2019, 02:21:11 PM
I rated Guaranteed Rate last of the stadiums I've visited but I did enjoy both my visits there. I have yet to visit a stadium that I would consider "bad".
Ever been to the Oakland Coliseum?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 21, 2019, 02:33:39 PM
Ever been to the Oakland Coliseum?
Nope. I've seen it from the outside when I went to a Warriors game at Oracle, but I have no desire to see a game there. I'll wait for the new stadium in 4-5 years.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 21, 2019, 01:08:29 PM
The renovations have made it a whole new stadium. Prior to the renovations, I'd put it third behind Busch and Minute Maid. If I get a chance to go to PNC I'm pretty sure I'll move Wrigley to 2.
If Wrigley being my favorite stadium I've been to makes me a homer, so be it.
It makes you a homer.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 21, 2019, 03:24:45 PM
It makes you a homer.
Shocking opinion coming from you. Probably prefer Guaranteed Rate to Wrigley
Quote from: JWags85 on May 21, 2019, 03:42:17 PM
Shocking opinion coming from you. Probably prefer Guaranteed Rate to Wrigley
I'll take GR's food over Wrigley in a landslide.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 21, 2019, 03:42:17 PM
Shocking opinion coming from you. Probably prefer Guaranteed Rate to Wrigley
I've never been to Guaranteed Rate.
Ranking Wrigley as the top stadium is beyond laughable.
My criteria for the below:
Sightlines, easy to get to, quality of food, atmosphere/amenities, how does it blend into the fabric of the neighborhood/city. If a team is bad, I won't knock them points. I've been to Tampa, Toronto, and Oakland quite a few times, and steadfastly refuse to go to any of those three ballparks.
1. Oracle/SF Giants - Perfect. If you haven't been, go. Absolutely fantastic.
2. PNC/Pirates - Gives Oracle a run for it's money, it could not have been designed into the heart of Pittsburgh any better. Best sightlines in baseball for the entire park, they did a great job designing to make it intimate.
3. Petco - Maybe some recency bias, but that place was awesome. The openness of the outfield flowing into the Gaslamp Quarter is terrific.
4. Dodger Stadium - Of the 3 old ballparks, this place is the most unique, tv doesn't do justice to how gigantic this place is and how it's wonderfully built into a mountain. Pain in the butt to get to though.
5. Wrigley - The oldtimers who hate the renovations be damned, this place is so much better now. Obviously a bucket list place.
6. Fenway - I'll put an asterisk here, I went in early 2000's, Pedro pitched a gem, Manny hit a bomb over the monster, I don't know if I can go back after that perfection. Yawkey Way pre/post game fantastic.
7. Coors - It's starting to age a bit, but it's in a near perfect spot in LoDo. It's a must to get there for BP.
8. Target Field - I contemplated putting this higher, I really like this place. I thought the food options could be better (I'm a picky eater though), but for anyone in WI/IL, this should be a place to get to easily to check out.
9. Busch - Place bleeds Cardinal red, I don't know if there's another stadium more interwoven to it's team/market. Awesome location, I wouldn't argue if someone thinks it should be higher.
10. Minute Maid - I like this place, it's fun, the location isn't great, but the atmosphere and sightlines are enjoyable. It's quirky as hell, that's for sure.
11. T-Mobile - The roof necessitates this place being a little bit bigger than it otherwise probably should be, great food.
12. Camden Yards - The neighborhood draws it back some, also the seating isn't as comfortable as it should be. I still very much enjoy the place, but newer parks have move passed it.
13. Comerica - I like this place, I've never had a bad time there, I get that people might think it's a little too wonky
14. Guaranteed Rate - Neighborhood obviously is a draw back, and this is my home park, but the food, sightlines make this very worthwhile to visit. One thing they got right that some of the newer parks struggled with is you can see the field from the entire concourse, even behind home plate (most newer stadiums have a club at that location)
15. Citizens Bank - Knock here is the location, it's just meh. Food also is underwhelming here, the sightlines and atmosphere are quality though.
16. Yankee Stadium (New) - It's okay, I don't hate it, but I wish the most decorated franchise in baseball had a bit more "umph" to the place.
17. Progressive Field - I went there a couple of weeks ago, and had a decent time, but it's starting to show some age. Needs to be more accessible.
18. Miller Park - Location is meh, although I'm not a tailgater (I can see a big tailgater having this place a lot higher). Food is good, sightlines are ok, felt for a long time like this place was trying to find its identity.
19. Nationals - This place should be way higher, this is the one stadium where since the team is "newer", it really lacks an identity. The food selection is solid, especially in the outfield, but whenever I go here, it's not something I say "I need to get back here"
20. Diamondbacks - Maybe if I was in the pool, it'd be better. It's not great.
21. Globe Life - I was really surprised how poor this place is. I thought a few years ago it was odd they were trying to replace it, but it's a dump.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 21, 2019, 02:33:39 PM
Ever been to the Oakland Coliseum?
I went to Oakland in 2015 with my wife and son (he was maybe 21 at the time) and happened to see the game where Kershaw had a little bit of a meltdown, throwing the ball into the dugout at one point. It was very nostalgic for me as it reminded me of games in NY and Boston in the 70s. Unruly drunks everywhere. Horrible foul language, fights and brawls everywhere. The whole row about three rows behind us was ejected from the park. My wife and son were appalled but I weirdly enjoyed being in that environment.
That was one of my favorite baseball trips ever (Aug 2015). We flew out to Seattle and spent 3 days there and had a great time. Then flew down to SF and spent 4 days there and caught a game at SF and Oakland. Needless to say there was a huge difference between Seattle/San Francisco and Oakland, which is just an old concrete bowl with nothing very interesting about it, although they did have a Big and Tall Gift Shop, which I appreciated.
In Seattle we saw Hisashi Iwakuma throw a no-hitter against the Orioles. In San Francisco we saw Madison Bumgarner throw a complete game 3 hit shutout with 14 strikeouts and hit a home run himself. In Oakland we saw Kershaw throw 7 innings and allow only one run only to have the A's comeback with three in the 8th off the bullpen and win it in extras.
I've seen 23 teams play at home in a total of 30 parks. I still need to see Arizona, Colorado, Detroit, Toronto, Cincinnati, Houston and Texas, and the new parks in Atlanta, Miami and Minnesota (though not sure if I'll try to get to these). My goal is to see all the teams play in there home park, but not necessarily their current one. I expect to get to Detroit, Toronto (and back to Wrigley) this year. We've missed going on trips last few years for health reasons.
1. PNC/Pittsburgh - Great views from inside the park
2. Oracle/SF
3. Kauffman/Kansas City - Fountains, friendly vibe, cheap, my wife would fly back to KC just for the Cherry Limeade
4. Old (pre 1973) Yankee Stadium - Famous façade, monuments in deep center 463 to dead center. Wonderful park.
5. Fenway/Boston - Small uncomfortable seats, but just beautiful. Sat in the Monster Seats last year. Very comfortable interesting view of park, probably wouldn't do it again
6. Dodger Stadium/LA - Traffic miserable, but you can feel the history and a great place to watch a game
7. Pregressive/Cleveland - Nice location, walkable from many hotels, Camden Yards plus 3%
8. Citizens Bank/Philadelphia - Bonus points for being able to talk with Greg Luzinski for a few minutes both times I went. The guy is way smaller than you would think
9. Camden Yards/Baltimore (last three are very similar, Cle and Phi are slightly improved versions of Camden Yards)
10. Busch/St. Louis - beautiful park with the Arch in the distance, fried ravioli overrated though
11. Miller Park/Milwaukee - My brother liked this place a lot more than I did, saw my game with roof closed, which is probably why I liked it less
12. Turner Field/Atlanta - they already moved out, the place still felt brand spanking new in 2016
13. Wrigley Field - History, Ivy, love the old scoreboard in center, otherwise was disappointed (will be back this summer as I will be in Chicago for wife's family reunion)
14. Seattle - Very nice, very common for the new parks except for the roof which is more of an umbrella than part of the stadium
15. Petco/San Diego - Nice restaurants and bars in area right around the park, but park itself is just OK
16. Yankee Stadium (from 1976) - Kind of boring, but monument park in the outfield was still great
17. New Comiskey - I was there before Frank Thomas statue, but was sad that a franchise that old had statues of Luis Aparacio and Nellie Fox. Is that the best you can do in 100+ years?
18. Nationals Park/Washington - Also nice restaurants around it, but pretty non-descript. Went there four years ago and barely remember it.
19. Angel Stadium/Anaheim - Too Disneyfied with the fake looking rocks in the outfield. Can't beat the weather
20. Yankee Stadium (current) - not as open as other new stadiums, goods seats are ridiculously priced. It gets worse every time they change. Yankee Clipper train is nice, though
21. Citifield/Mets - For some strange reason a monument to the Brooklyn Dodgers
22. Candlestick Park/SF - Crazy weather. I went to a 4 PM game and was roasting in the third inning and was freezing by the end of the game.
23. County Stadium/Milwaukee - Was in college so always had fun, but nothing special about the park
24. Atlanta Fulton County Stadium - Also non-descript
25. Old Comiskey - Saw it in the early 80s, just don't remember it that well
26. Metrodome/Minnesota - Interesting to be in the inflated dome, but baseball had no business there
27. Oakland Coliseum - Big concrete monstrosity in a boring neighborhood.
28. Shea Stadium/New York, Oakland but with terrible traffic
29. Miami/Joe Robbie - A terrible place to watch a game
30. Tropicana Field/Tampa Bay - Dreary place with hardly any fans, and they are disinterested. It was a depressing place to watch a game
I liked the SF Giants ballpark, but I thought it was a little kitchy.
PNC is a pure baseball experience -- a delightful ballpark, perfectly sized and kept up, with an amazing view of an extremely underrated city.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 21, 2019, 06:35:39 PM
I've never been to Guaranteed Rate.
Ranking Wrigley as the top stadium is beyond laughable.
LOL
Quote from: wadesworld on May 22, 2019, 09:00:57 PM
Agreed.
Your opinion on anything related to the Cubs is meaningless. When was the last time you were at Wrigley?
Wrigley North is nice but has its flaws.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 21, 2019, 11:23:18 AM
No I just think in today's day and age people should use one. Or stop complaining about the businesses that decide to use the technology.
I bought one for my mom, the phones they target to the elderly, but her Parkinson's is so bad when she shakes in her hands she cannot use it. At her senior center, most are age 70 and above, I would gather 10% have a smart phone. That is a generation that wasn't raised on it. For the same reason this cashless craze is now being rebuffed by local and state governments because there are large swaths of people that will never go cashless for technological reasons as well as financial. Tech is great, but not all can afford or use.
Why not support both customer models and avoid the complaints altogether?
Quote from: Cheeks on May 23, 2019, 08:39:15 AM
I bought one for my mom, the phones they target to the elderly, but her Parkinson's is so bad when she shakes in her hands she cannot use it. At her senior center, most are age 70 and above, I would gather 10% have a smart phone. That is a generation that wasn't raised on it. For the same reason this cashless craze is now being rebuffed by local and state governments because there are large swaths of people that will never go cashless for technological reasons as well as financial. Tech is great, but not all can afford or use.
Why not support both customer models and avoid the complaints altogether?
This is an excellent comment, chicos. I hope the old technology will be available for a long time, because many still need it.
Quote from: Cheeks on May 23, 2019, 08:39:15 AM
I bought one for my mom, the phones they target to the elderly, but her Parkinson's is so bad when she shakes in her hands she cannot use it. At her senior center, most are age 70 and above, I would gather 10% have a smart phone. That is a generation that wasn't raised on it. For the same reason this cashless craze is now being rebuffed by local and state governments because there are large swaths of people that will never go cashless for technological reasons as well as financial. Tech is great, but not all can afford or use.
Why not support both customer models and avoid the complaints altogether?
The market has spoken. Your mom isn't their target audience.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 23, 2019, 08:21:47 AM
Your opinion on anything related to the Cubs is meaningless. When was the last time you were at Wrigley?
Wrigley North is nice but has its flaws.
And Miller Park South is a complete dump. Difference is Brewers fans don't pretend that their stadium is the best stadium in baseball. They realize it's an average stadium that you can tailgate at.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 23, 2019, 12:06:04 PM
Difference is Brewers fans don't pretend that their stadium is the best stadium in baseball.
This is a very silly debate, but this isn't true. Brewer fans "got out the vote" for both the Sporting News and ESPN ballpark rankings.
From ESPN:Our Battle of the Ballparks Bracket is complete, and the upset winner over Camden Yards, Fenway, Wrigley, PNC, AT&T and all the others is Milwaukee's Miller Park. Well, it's an upset winner based on its No. 24 seed. It's not such an upset winner if you've been following the votes over the past week.
That's because the passionate fans of baseball's smallest market overcame the odds by getting out the vote for their favorite stadium. While other fans might have taken their matchups for granted, the Wisconsin electorate was so energized you would have thought we tried to end collective bargaining for beer vendors. Perhaps that's a lesson for the rest of us.
From the Sporting News:Miller Park downed division rivals Pittsburgh's PNC Park to move into the finals of the National League bracket against the World Series-champion Giants AT&T Park.
After successfully winning the National League bracket, Miller Park was pitted against Major League Baseball's oldest stadium, the highly-acclaimed Fenway Park, in the finals. After several days of voting, Miller Park was declared the victor earlier today.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 23, 2019, 12:06:04 PM
And Miller Park South is a complete dump. Difference is Brewers fans don't pretend that their stadium is the best stadium in baseball. They realize it's an average stadium that you can tailgate at.
Answer the question, cause it sounds like 10 years+ with that answer
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on May 23, 2019, 12:49:42 PM
This is a very silly debate, but this isn't true. Brewer fans "got out the vote" for both the Sporting News and ESPN ballpark rankings.
From ESPN:
Our Battle of the Ballparks Bracket is complete, and the upset winner over Camden Yards, Fenway, Wrigley, PNC, AT&T and all the others is Milwaukee's Miller Park. Well, it's an upset winner based on its No. 24 seed. It's not such an upset winner if you've been following the votes over the past week.
That's because the passionate fans of baseball's smallest market overcame the odds by getting out the vote for their favorite stadium. While other fans might have taken their matchups for granted, the Wisconsin electorate was so energized you would have thought we tried to end collective bargaining for beer vendors. Perhaps that's a lesson for the rest of us.
From the Sporting News:
Miller Park downed division rivals Pittsburgh's PNC Park to move into the finals of the National League bracket against the World Series-champion Giants AT&T Park.
After successfully winning the National League bracket, Miller Park was pitted against Major League Baseball's oldest stadium, the highly-acclaimed Fenway Park, in the finals. After several days of voting, Miller Park was declared the victor earlier today.
I remember the ESPN one. I voted for Miller though I don't actually believe it is the best. I mainly did it because the author kept making disparaging remarks about the stadium and brewers fans. I thought it would be funny to see him have to write an article about how great it is
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on May 23, 2019, 12:49:42 PM
This is a very silly debate, but this isn't true. Brewer fans "got out the vote" for both the Sporting News and ESPN ballpark rankings.
From ESPN:
Our Battle of the Ballparks Bracket is complete, and the upset winner over Camden Yards, Fenway, Wrigley, PNC, AT&T and all the others is Milwaukee's Miller Park. Well, it's an upset winner based on its No. 24 seed. It's not such an upset winner if you've been following the votes over the past week.
That's because the passionate fans of baseball's smallest market overcame the odds by getting out the vote for their favorite stadium. While other fans might have taken their matchups for granted, the Wisconsin electorate was so energized you would have thought we tried to end collective bargaining for beer vendors. Perhaps that's a lesson for the rest of us.
From the Sporting News:
Miller Park downed division rivals Pittsburgh's PNC Park to move into the finals of the National League bracket against the World Series-champion Giants AT&T Park.
After successfully winning the National League bracket, Miller Park was pitted against Major League Baseball's oldest stadium, the highly-acclaimed Fenway Park, in the finals. After several days of voting, Miller Park was declared the victor earlier today.
So you're taking that a bunch of fans went onto some website's voting contest and voted for their team's stadium as Brewers fans really believe their stadium is the best in baseball? I guess if you want to think that that's fine, but come on now. That'd be like claiming when Luka Doncic was 2nd in overall votes for Western Conference All Star voting after the second returns were released that people voting Doncic actually believed he was the 2nd best player in the Western Conference, above KD, Harden, Steph, Lillard, etc.
I am not in the least bit surprised that Cubs fans would try to make this argument. But it's as laughable as claiming Wrigley is the best stadium in baseball.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 23, 2019, 01:06:13 PM
Answer the question, cause it sounds like 10 years+ with that answer
Yup. The changes in the last 10 years have almost made it nearly an entirely new stadium. They gutted the exterior and grandstand concourse down to the steel and literally ripped out and rebuilt the lower bowl and bleachers.
Plus adding Gallagher Way, Hotel Zachery, and the Addison & Clark complex has improved the surrounding area as well.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 23, 2019, 02:10:50 PM
So you're taking that a bunch of fans went onto some website's voting contest and voted for their team's stadium as Brewers fans really believe their stadium is the best in baseball? I guess if you want to think that that's fine, but come on now. That'd be like claiming when Luka Doncic was 2nd in overall votes for Western Conference All Star voting after the second returns were released that people voting Doncic actually believed he was the 2nd best player in the Western Conference, above KD, Harden, Steph, Lillard, etc.
I am not in the least bit surprised that Cubs fans would try to make this argument. But it's as laughable as claiming Wrigley is the best stadium in baseball.
I mean it's just an opinion right? How is their opinion "laughable?" There isn't any sort of objective measurement going on here.
Angels Stadium, we just had our second rain out yesterday since 1995.
As I have always said, the weather is the one great thing here.
I'm beginning to think Wades is a mid functioning autistic teenager.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 23, 2019, 03:19:33 PM
I'm beginning to think Wades is a mid functioning autistic teenager.
Cubs fans. Always keeping it classy.
Because it's laughable anyone would rank Wrigley Field as the best baseball stadium we'll try to use autism as an insult. Well done! I'd expect nothing less.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 23, 2019, 03:19:33 PM
I'm beginning to think Wades is a mid functioning autistic teenager.
I'm not on this train. I actually like Wades.
But he has a big blind spot when it comes to Chicago teams/sports/fans
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 23, 2019, 03:19:33 PM
I'm beginning to think Wades is a mid functioning autistic teenager.
Total dick move, unleash. Poor form.
Complete game, 4 hit (all singles), shutout, 9K's at Houston is as impressive a pitching performance as I've seen this year. Houston has been incredible at home, averaging an MLB high over 6 runs. I didn't think I'd be saying this a year ago, but Giolito has been an absolute stud this year, dude is going to be an all star.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 23, 2019, 09:17:54 PM
Total dick move, unleash. Poor form.
Meh, his antics over the past 3 years on this thread and the main forum have grown tiring. I had to call him out for what I believe he is. If not then he's just a very confused immature 30 year old.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 24, 2019, 08:59:36 AM
Meh, his antics over the past 3 years on this thread and the main forum have grown tiring. I had to call him out for what I believe he is. If not then he's just a very confused immature 30 year old.
Oh no! Someone pokes fun at Cubs fans because they can't handle it. What unacceptable antics! But what is acceptable is to use autism as an insult!
I love Chicago sports fans. Always staying classy.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 24, 2019, 10:01:27 AM
Oh no! Someone pokes fun at Cubs fans because they can't handle it. What unacceptable antics! But what is acceptable is to use autism as an insult!
I love Chicago sports fans. Always staying classy.
It wasn't an insult. As a bcba I truly believe it's what you have. You are very focused on very specific viewpoints, that last for years and constantly bring them into conversations that have nothing to do with them.
You are also just a jag. Anyone with a different viewpoint then your own gets treated with complete hostility. You attack random fans on this site for hours.
So I believe that A) you actually do have autism and b) you are a jag. And c) I've decided to block you permanently because you actually physically annoy me, which is pretty impressive over an online fansite.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on May 24, 2019, 11:04:19 AM
It wasn't an insult. As a bcba I truly believe it's what you have. You are very focused on very specific viewpoints, that last for years and constantly bring them into conversations that have nothing to do with them.
You are also just a jag. Anyone with a different viewpoint then your own gets treated with complete hostility. You attack random fans on this site for hours.
So I believe that A) you actually do have autism and b) you are a jag. And c) I've decided to block you permanently because you actually physically annoy me, which is pretty impressive over an online fansite.
Lol.
Online trolling = autistic. You're not very good at your job.
Also, I don't think autistic people are jags. But you're the bcba here so maybe they are.
Look, Miller Park is a great place to watch a game. And, I'm a Cardinal fan. The fans are great and they know their baseball. Everyone is friendly and, importantly, the cost of going to the game is reasonable. I've liked the park since it opened.
Wrigley, Camden Yards, AT&T Park and even Houston are great places to watch a game. It's less the building itself and more the people who attend the games. Even Cub fans are fun, though I appreciate them more when their team doesn't do as well as they expect.
Bottom line — baseball is the game, the people and the interaction. Yeah, a nice ballpark is great but, to compare, I enjoyed County Stadium too and many thought that place was a dump. It wasn't and you never noticed when the Brewers were good and played exciting baseball.
Quote from: MUDish on May 23, 2019, 09:56:01 PM
Complete game, 4 hit (all singles), shutout, 9K's at Houston is as impressive a pitching performance as I've seen this year. Houston has been incredible at home, averaging an MLB high over 6 runs. I didn't think I'd be saying this a year ago, but Giolito has been an absolute stud this year, dude is going to be an all star.
Let's see him face the Twins first
Bill Buckner passes away.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeremySchaap/status/1133066664927535104
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on May 27, 2019, 01:09:06 PM
Bill Buckner passes away.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeremySchaap/status/1133066664927535104
Sad news. RIP
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 24, 2019, 12:07:27 PM
Look, Miller Park is a great place to watch a game. And, I'm a Cardinal fan. The fans are great and they know their baseball. Everyone is friendly and, importantly, the cost of going to the game is reasonable. I've liked the park since it opened.
To be fair, the experience at Miller Park for a Cardinals fan and that of a Cubs fan is very different. Cardinal and Cubs fans are both passionate, but generally at a Cardinal game at Miller Park, Redbird fans are respectful and generally nice and are good sports.
Cubs fans that come up to Miller Park though have been quite the opposite. They're not even the same Cubs fans that show up at Wrigley. They're usually obnoxious, not very knowledgeable, they often imbibe too much at and before the game, and are generally speaking, terrible fans (not all, but enough that it creates a reputation). Because of this, most (again, not all but enough it creates a reputation) Brewers fans actually willing to go to those games are the worst example of our own. It creates a pretty toxic environment that I won't partake in anymore.
I dislike using absolutes in describing these things, but generally the atmosphere at Cards and Cubs games are as described above and as stated, very different experiences.
Scary moment in the Cubs game where it sounds like a little girl was drilled by a line drive foul ball. The stadium went silent as Almora screamed and the players on the field all appeared in shock.
Just extend the nets already.
https://twitter.com/mrevandaniel/status/1133908429410623489?s=21
EDIT: Sounds like the security guard told Almora the little girl will be ok.
https://twitter.com/sportstalk790/status/1133907005557678080?s=21
Very sad. Should be a concern for everyone who takes their kids or older adults to ball games.
Extend the nets down the line.
Hopefully Chico's won't carpet bomb this thread with his drivel about how people getting hit with foul balls are idiots who are at fault.
Once was enough.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 29, 2019, 08:41:42 PM
Scary moment in the Cubs game where it sounds like a little girl was drilled by a line drive foul ball. The stadium went silent as Almora screamed and the players on the field all appeared in shock.
Just extend the nets already.
https://twitter.com/mrevandaniel/status/1133908429410623489?s=21
EDIT: Sounds like the security guard told Almora the little girl will be ok.
https://twitter.com/sportstalk790/status/1133907005557678080?s=21
Just saw a tweet with Kriis Bryant saying MLB needs to extend the nets. With the age of cell phones and distractions, it seems to be a no brainer.
When I get a chance to sit in foul ball territory, it's obvious that people aren't always paying attention. Even paying attention, I'm not sure I can react quickly enough to get out of the way.
Is chico off this particular bandwagon? I lose track.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 30, 2019, 08:26:02 AM
Even paying attention, I'm not sure I can react quickly enough to get out of the way.
This. There are times an infielder who is focusing all of his attention gets eaten up by a line drive.
Quote from: tower912 on May 30, 2019, 08:30:05 AM
Is chico off this particular bandwagon? I lose track.
Hell, I'm about nets everywhere....basketball especially...protecting the patrons is key.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=49780.msg784799#msg784799
No one wants to see anyone get hurt. We can agree to disagree on how long the nets have to be, how high, how much coverage.
Quote from: Cheeks on May 30, 2019, 06:18:13 PM
Hell, I'm about nets everywhere....basketball especially...protecting the patrons is key.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=49780.msg784799#msg784799
No one wants to see anyone get hurt. We can agree to disagree on how long the nets have to be, how high, how much coverage.
Thatta boy. Dig in.
Quote from: Cheeks on May 30, 2019, 06:18:13 PM
Hell, I'm about nets everywhere....basketball especially...protecting the patrons is key.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=49780.msg784799#msg784799
No one wants to see anyone get hurt. We can agree to disagree on how long the nets have to be, how high, how much coverage.
Reductio ad absurdum, thy name is Cheeks.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 30, 2019, 06:44:43 PM
Thatta boy. Dig in.
I wish I could lie as easily as he does.
Wait..... no, I don't.
Quote from: Cheeks on May 30, 2019, 06:18:13 PM
Hell, I'm about nets everywhere....basketball especially...protecting the patrons is key.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=49780.msg784799#msg784799
No one wants to see anyone get hurt. We can agree to disagree on how long the nets have to be, how high, how much coverage.
And creeping up to the ignore list....
I'm not familiar with your stance on the nets. What is your reasoning for not extending them?
dgies must be on vacation. Brace yourself Cubs nation.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 30, 2019, 10:40:01 PM
I'm not familiar with your stance on the nets. What is your reasoning for not extending them?
In my opinion which I stated years ago, it becomes overkill. Why don't the dugouts have nets? Or plexiglass? Balls get hit into there?
But let's user purely the baseball aspect of it. If you extend the nets from foul pole to foul pole then you reduce the ability of the defense to make plays in foul territory. Less outs, equal more pitches, longer games, etc.
What happens when someone goes Jimmy Piersall on the nets, and you know it is going to happen at some point....and that person is hurt? Will there be a ground swell to remove the nets?
How about college....going to mandate it there? Minor leagues? If one has seen many of these parks, they are not equipped to do this without major investment....I guess the patrons can pay for it.
Honestly, no one wants anyone to be hurt. I go to a bunch of games a year. I cringe when people bring their kids and the they don't pay attention to the game or their kids. People need to be responsible, too.
Quote from: Jockey on May 30, 2019, 07:25:35 PM
I wish I could lie as easily as he does.
Wait..... no, I don't.
Apparently sarcasm isn't your strong suit.
How's Canada? Where did you relocate to again?
Quote from: Cheeks on June 02, 2019, 08:24:57 PM
In my opinion which I stated years ago, it becomes overkill. Why don't the dugouts have nets? Or plexiglass? Balls get hit into there?
But let's user purely the baseball aspect of it. If you extend the nets from foul pole to foul pole then you reduce the ability of the defense to make plays in foul territory. Less outs, equal more pitches, longer games, etc.
What happens when someone goes Jimmy Piersall on the nets, and you know it is going to happen at some point....and that person is hurt? Will there be a ground swell to remove the nets?
How about college....going to mandate it there? Minor leagues? If one has seen many of these parks, they are not equipped to do this without major investment....I guess the patrons can pay for it.
Honestly, no one wants anyone to be hurt. I go to a bunch of games a year. I cringe when people bring their kids and the they don't pay attention to the game or their kids. People need to be responsible, too.
So it would cost money to install the new nets and baseball games might get a little longer? That's the extent of your reasoning for adding a safety measure that could save life and limb for dozens of people?
I'm excited to be a Sox fan right now. Hopefully things unfold for them at #3 tomorrow.
Luis Robert is destroying AA, I wonder what their timeline is going to look like for him.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 02, 2019, 08:56:06 PM
So it would cost money to install the new nets and baseball games might get a little longer? That's the extent of your reasoning for adding a safety measure that could save life and limb for dozens of people?
No, not the extent of it....but it's such a rare occurrence it is over rotating in my opinion. If you are going to make the argument that it is needed for safety of humans, I fail to see how dugouts also are not required. Why wouldn't you demand it to save their life and limb worth billions of dollars? Why are we allowing drinking at the games where you can get killed or get bashed and beaten to an inch of your life for wearing an opposing team's jersey. Why are we allowing t-shirts to be shot into the crowd where people have been hurt? That's my point, it is over rotating when there are plenty of other dangerous things going on at games, but because they generate revenue they won't be touched.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 02, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
No, not the extent of it....but it's such a rare occurrence it is over rotating in my opinion. If you are going to make the argument that it is needed for safety of humans, I fail to see how dugouts also are not required. Why wouldn't you demand it to save their life and limb worth billions of dollars? Why are we allowing drinking at the games where you can get killed or get bashed and beaten to an inch of your life for wearing an opposing team's jersey. Why are we allowing t-shirts to be shot into the crowd where people have been hurt? That's my point, it is over rotating when there are plenty of other dangerous things going on at games, but because they generate revenue they won't be touched.
So because there are other ways a person could get hurt we shouldn't fix this one? That logic doesn't hold up for me.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 02, 2019, 10:16:45 PM
So because there are other ways a person could get hurt we shouldn't fix this one? That logic doesn't hold up for me.
How about we take care of the other ways that cause more injury / death first....prioritize. I posted here years ago the number of injuries and deaths from foul balls and it was very small. Yes, I am aware of the death last year at Dodger stadium from a foul ball ( first death in 50 years and second in close to 100....with literally over 350,000 games played)...just as I am aware of the deaths at Dodgers and Angels stadium from beatings the last few years, alcohol related. Prioritize...but those bring in $$$$$$$$ so they will not be addressed to the same level.
Nets, foul line to foul line. It's a no-brainer. There is absolutely no reason to argue against them. None.
If one wants to argue that other things also should be fixed to save life and limb, cool, but it has nothing to do with the no-brainer that is putting up nets.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 02, 2019, 10:26:24 PM
How about we take care of the other ways that cause more injury / death first....prioritize. I posted here years ago the number of injuries and deaths from foul balls and it was very small. Yes, I am aware of the death last year at Dodger stadium from a foul ball ( first death in 50 years and second in close to 100....with literally over 350,000 games played)...just as I am aware of the deaths at Dodgers and Angels stadium from beatings the last few years, alcohol related. Prioritize...but those bring in $$$$$$$$ so they will not be addressed to the same level.
So because one way someone gets hurt isn't getting addressed, we shouldn't address this one? That doesn't make sense to me either.
Quote from: MUDish on June 02, 2019, 09:11:20 PM
I'm excited to be a Sox fan right now. Hopefully things unfold for them at #3 tomorrow.
Luis Robert is destroying AA, I wonder what their timeline is going to look like for him.
That dude is an absolute beast. Hit a 460 foot bomb over the scoreboard today in Birmingham. He has a .930 OPS in AA, in a field that typically suppresses offense, after a 1.400 OPS in high A. If he keeps this up, I'd think he will be in Charlotte shortly after the All-Star break.
Major League Baseball has a bigger problem than safety. Boredom and fan loss. Attendance down again this year despite home run record in May with 1,135 dingers.
Quote from: WarriorDad on June 03, 2019, 09:11:01 AM
Major League Baseball has a bigger problem than safety. Boredom and fan loss. Attendance down again this year despite home run record in May with 1,135 dingers.
So because there are other problems with baseball we're shouldn't fix this one? That logic also doesn't hold up.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 03, 2019, 09:34:42 AM
So because there are other problems with baseball we're shouldn't fix this one? That logic also doesn't hold up.
Obviously the mlb can't spend 6k per team to extend netting. They have other problems.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 02, 2019, 11:21:18 PM
So because one way someone gets hurt isn't getting addressed, we shouldn't address this one? That doesn't make sense to me either.
I have long been against extending the netting because I personally dislike watching games through a net and I always try to get seats even with first or third base, which will now be behind nets.
I am not one of those people who looks at their phone constantly (or basically at all unless I am getting a phone call) and pay attention to the game, so I personally don't feel at the slightest risk.
But I am not everybody and you can't have your customers getting seriously hurt from play on the field. Extending the nets is inevitable and I completely understand it and won't hold it against MLB when they inevitably do it.
Quote from: CTWarrior on June 03, 2019, 11:48:35 AM
I have long been against extending the netting because I personally dislike watching games through a net and I always try to get seats even with first or third base, which will now be behind nets.
I am not one of those people who looks at their phone constantly (or basically at all unless I am getting a phone call) and pay attention to the game, so I personally don't feel at the slightest risk.
But I am not everybody and you can't have your customers getting seriously hurt from play on the field. Extending the nets is inevitable and I completely understand it and won't hold it against MLB when they inevitably do it.
The mature, logical attitude to take. Baseball fans will quickly get used to the nets -- actually, they already have in the areas where they were already extended. Hockey fans got used to them quickly, too.
Quote from: WarriorDad on June 03, 2019, 09:11:01 AM
Major League Baseball has a bigger problem than safety. Boredom and fan loss. Attendance down again this year despite home run record in May with 1,135 dingers.
The prospect of serious injury definitely makes the game more exciting, and is a great enticement to bring your family to the old ball game.
Quote from: WarriorDad on June 03, 2019, 09:11:01 AM
Major League Baseball has a bigger problem than safety. Boredom and fan loss. Attendance down again this year despite home run record in May with 1,135 dingers.
With half the teams tanking and rebuilding, why the surprise? And Tampa has never drawn, despite being one of the most interesting teams in the league.
Quote from: tower912 on June 03, 2019, 12:29:37 PM
With half the teams tanking and rebuilding, why the surprise? And Tampa has never drawn, despite being one of the most interesting teams in the league.
Apparently, fans don't enjoy the experience of watching baseball played in a warehouse.
Quote from: MU82 on June 02, 2019, 10:50:16 PM
Nets, foul line to foul line. It's a no-brainer. There is absolutely no reason to argue against them. None.
If one wants to argue that other things also should be fixed to save life and limb, cool, but it has nothing to do with the no-brainer that is putting up nets.
Let me start by saying I'm not against extending the nets, but why is the default position set at foul line to foul line? Is there something inherently more dangerous about being one seat into foul territory vs. one seat into fair territory? When this discussion came up on here before I've said the same thing. Conduct a study, make a determination about the appropriate place to start/stop the nets based upon the study and do so. I wouldn't call foul line to foul line a no-brainer.
What should Brewers do with Shaw returning? I don't think there is anyway they can send Hiura down. The guy has been too good and too valuable.
Great batting stroke. I think his absolute floor would be a young Neil Walker. Ceiling? How about Alex Bregman?
Quote from: Pakuni on June 03, 2019, 12:48:39 PM
Apparently, fans don't enjoy the experience of watching baseball played in a warehouse.
*submarine
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 02, 2019, 11:24:15 PM
That dude is an absolute beast. Hit a 460 foot bomb over the scoreboard today in Birmingham. He has a .930 OPS in AA, in a field that typically suppresses offense, after a 1.400 OPS in high A. If he keeps this up, I'd think he will be in Charlotte shortly after the All-Star break.
Hey, a couple of Sox fans on Scoop!
Went yesterday. Giolito so solid. Starting to feel really good about this team.
I'd love for them to stay in contention for the wildcard and go through the process of playing some important games at the end of the year. May not have to wait until 2021--next year could be very good.
Legit plus position players:
Abreu
Anderson
Moncada
McCann (did not see that coming)
Jimenez
Robert
Solid pieces/utility players
Sanchez
Tilson
Garcia
Unproven but real position player prospects (I consider Robert proven):
Burger
Madrigal
Collins
Current starters and high prospects are interesting bc other than Giolito and maybe Lopez, they are unproven, injured or both:
Giolito (1/2)
Lopez (4)
Rodon (3)
Kopech (1/2)
Dunning (2/3)
Cease (2/3)
(the rest of the current bunch - meh)
And they have Colome for now. I would not trade him this year if they are in contention at deadline- would be wrong message to send.
Do you try to sign Kuechel and bring up Cease and take a run??
Quote from: MUDish on June 02, 2019, 09:11:20 PM
I'm excited to be a Sox fan right now. Hopefully things unfold for them at #3 tomorrow.
Luis Robert is destroying AA, I wonder what their timeline is going to look like for him.
I agree
I watched all three games of their recent series with the Astros, won by the Sox. Many good hitters Good pitching, too. Arent you glad they didnt blow the wad on Machado. They are only a year or two away from challenging for the central...IMHO Indians are in decline and Twins are only continued good team in AL Central
Nice weekend for the Cardinals this past weekend.
Made up for the debacle at Wrigley a couple of weeks ago.
Adam Wainwright still has something left in the tank -- and the bullpen put out the fires.
Long way to go but after a bad May, things are righting....
Quote from: Jockey on June 03, 2019, 01:12:05 PM
What should Brewers do with Shaw returning? I don't think there is anyway they can send Hiura down. The guy has been too good and too valuable.
Great batting stroke. I think his absolute floor would be a young Neil Walker. Ceiling? How about Alex Bregman?
They sent Hiura down. Think he may have been the only one with a minor league option
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 03, 2019, 04:19:31 PM
They sent Hiura down. Think he may have been the only one with a minor league option
While Stearns is denying a 'service time' consideration, it could have had an impact. Shaw needs to get it going for the Crew to maximize their opportunities. He's got a long leash. But he needs to remember that he has options too. If he needs to ask anyone, Orlando's locker is right there.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on June 03, 2019, 01:34:57 PM
Hey, a couple of Sox fans on Scoop!
So ... Vaughn or Abrams tonight?
I think they end up sticking to their formula and taking Vaughn.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 03, 2019, 04:37:26 PM
So ... Vaughn or Abrams tonight?
I think they end up sticking to their formula and taking Vaughn.
Was hoping the Orioles might surprise everybody and pass on Rutschman.
Love Vaughn's bat, but I think we have a lot of 1B/DH types in the pipeline. Think I might take a chance on Abrams or the OF from Vandy.
Vaughn it is. Guy can rake - could he be with the big club by sometime in 2020?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 03, 2019, 06:38:20 PM
Vaughn it is. Guy can rake - could he be with the big club by sometime in 2020?
Agree on the glut of 1B/DH in the system, but I guess you take your guy and let that figure itself our. 2020 a possibility, depending on what they do with Abreu.
Sox don't have much positive history with 'toolsy' high schoolers, so I'm not mad they didn't take Abrams.
Hope they take nothing but starters and middle infielders the rest of the way.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 03, 2019, 07:19:20 PM
Agree on the glut of 1B/DH in the system, but I guess you take your guy and let that figure itself our. 2020 a possibility, depending on what they do with Abreu.
Sox don't have much positive history with 'toolsy' high schoolers, so I'm not mad they didn't take Abrams.
Hope they take nothing but starters and middle infielders the rest of the way.
+1 on all accounts. Hope they stockpile a bunch of good arms.
Was thinking the same thing about Abreu, though I hope they keep him. He has been a leader for all the young guys. (Not to mention that he he pretty damn good).
Seems like the right pick. Likely to be a success. I like it more than the Madrigal pick (who I see as a utility guy).
Why does it have to be foul line to foul line? Look at the very few injuries that do happen, and they are nowhere near the foul pole. Just an over rotation. Cannot wait for a critical game where a ball could have been caught for a key out that isn't because we are putting up a net in a place that doesn't need it and will protect absolutely no one.
Milwaukee's Class A ball team has been rebranded:
(https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_912,h_516,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/shape/cover/sport/Screen-Shot-2019-06-03-at-31416-PM-6b46157ee7bafdd4d5a2924cebf8b01f.jpg)
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Quote from: Cheeks on June 03, 2019, 09:56:49 PM
Why does it have to be foul line to foul line? Look at the very few injuries that do happen, and they are nowhere near the foul pole. Just an over rotation. Cannot wait for a critical game where a ball could have been caught for a key out that isn't because we are putting up a net in a place that doesn't need it and will protect absolutely no one.
Not gonna get into one of your argue-for-sake-of-arguing rabbit holes.
You don't think it should happen. That's your opinion. My opinion is that it should happen and that it will happen. No-brainer. Done deal.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 03, 2019, 09:58:12 PM
Milwaukee's Class A ball team has been rebranded:
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It's only for one game.
https://www.channel3000.com/sports/timber-rattlers-change-name-to-wisconsin-udder-tuggers-for-june-20-game/1083230449 (https://www.channel3000.com/sports/timber-rattlers-change-name-to-wisconsin-udder-tuggers-for-june-20-game/1083230449)
Quote from: Cheeks on June 03, 2019, 09:56:49 PM
Why does it have to be foul line to foul line? Look at the very few injuries that do happen, and they are nowhere near the foul pole. Just an over rotation. Cannot wait for a critical game where a ball could have been caught for a key out that isn't because we are putting up a net in a place that doesn't need it and will protect absolutely no one.
Eh that happens already behind the plate. No biggie.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 03, 2019, 04:19:31 PM
They sent Hiura down. Think he may have been the only one with a minor league option
I can't say I'm pleased with this decision, especially since I'm stuck with Hiura in my weekly fantasy league, but its probably the right one.
Most of the pitchers have options remaining, but the only position players with options are Gamel (too valuable as the fourth OF), Arcia (swinging a hot bat and the key to the defense), and Hiura. Shaw has options too.
I think Stearns sees this playing out in one of a few ways:
- Shaw comes back to form, hits 15 dingers and bats .270 for the rest of the season. Hiura comes back in September.
- Someone gets hurt (perhaps "conveniently") from the group of Shaw, Moose, Aguilar, Thames, Perez. Hiura comes back up.
- Shaw is terrible again for two weeks. Shaw gets optioned to AAA, Hiura comes back and continues to rake.
Ideally, all of those "Hiura comes back" happen after whenever the Super 2 date is.
Quote from: MU82 on June 03, 2019, 11:43:28 PM
Not gonna get into one of your argue-for-sake-of-arguing rabbit holes.
You don't think it should happen. That's your opinion. My opinion is that it should happen and that it will happen. No-brainer. Done deal.
I am curious why the default position of those advocating for more netting is foul pole to foul pole as opposed to some point between the current location and the foul poles?
Quote from: Cheeks on June 03, 2019, 09:56:49 PM
Why does it have to be foul line to foul line? Look at the very few injuries that do happen, and they are nowhere near the foul pole. Just an over rotation. Cannot wait for a critical game where a ball could have been caught for a key out that isn't because we are putting up a net in a place that doesn't need it and will protect absolutely no one.
How often does a catch occur in an area that would be prevented by netting "in a place that protects absolutely no one" in a critical game? Once or twice a season? I guess it depends on what a critical game is and where you would consider netting to be "protecting absolutely no one." If it's only a couple times, wouldn't reacting to the netting getting in the way be an....over rotation?
I would trade hundreds of missed catches for one less fan being injured. My guess is, the ratio of missed catch to fan being protected isn't close to that.
Take the nets away altogether. People sitting behind home plate need to start wearing full catcher's gear. We can't take away opportunities for a catcher to lean over into the stands to catch a ball. Wasting outs to avoid hypothetical injuries that may never happen. Those damn snowflake millennials are always ruining good things.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 04, 2019, 10:55:33 AM
Take the nets away altogether. People sitting behind home plate need to start wearing full catcher's gear. We can't take away opportunities for a catcher to lean over into the stands to catch a ball. Wasting outs to avoid hypothetical injuries that may never happen. Those damn snowflake millennials are always ruining good things.
Instead of outfield walls, we can paint lines on the ground so those don't impede the ability to catch a ball.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 04, 2019, 11:22:39 AM
Instead of outfield walls, we can paint lines on the ground so those don't impede the ability to catch a ball.
And increase seating.
Quote from: copious1218 on June 04, 2019, 10:15:04 AM
I am curious why the default position of those advocating for more netting is foul pole to foul pole as opposed to some point between the current location and the foul poles?
I suppose because it's a line that already exists. That's my thinking, anyway.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 04, 2019, 10:55:33 AM
Take the nets away altogether. People sitting behind home plate need to start wearing full catcher's gear. We can't take away opportunities for a catcher to lean over into the stands to catch a ball. Wasting outs to avoid hypothetical injuries that may never happen. Those damn snowflake millennials are always ruining good things.
Hear! Hear!
And let's take away nets at NHL games and fencing at NASCAR races. Gotta toughen up fans. America is going soft!
Quote from: Cheeks on June 03, 2019, 09:56:49 PM
Why does it have to be foul line to foul line?
The Japanese league has nets extended to the foul poles.
In the outfield you have enough time to react to a ball coming at you, even if it is a line drive. If you are sitting 150 feet away, where the little girl got hit, you have 0.97 seconds to react.
Is there a difference between sitting two seats into netless fair territory and two seats into netted foul territory? No. But the foul pole is the logical terminator.
If the foul pole is a logical path, then logically you would also call for nets in the outfield.
How is it that a foul ball that hits the net tracking 3 feet foul of the foul pole any less dangerous than the ball flight being 5 feet the other way and landing in the cheap seats? My God, a fan could be injured by the exact same ball arc, speed, etc. But of course the logic falls apart there. Be consistent. If you think it needs to be pole to pole, why not in fair territory just on the other side of the pole? The Japanese also issue Helmets to fans in sections that don't have netting. They blow whistles when the ball clears the net. Yes, we could do all these things.
In typical ridiculous fashion from MU82, atheist who quotes the Pope....cannot make that up....car racing has had numerous deaths over time and actually is a real danger proven consistently over time. Repeatable. In baseball, 2 deaths in over 350,000 games in 100 years. That is .00000571 chance of death. Yup, apples to apples babe. Right on target as usual.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 03, 2019, 09:58:12 PM
Milwaukee's Class A ball team has been rebranded:
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Love it. Tit tuggers
Quote from: WarriorDad on June 03, 2019, 09:11:01 AM
Major League Baseball has a bigger problem than safety. Boredom and fan loss. Attendance down again this year despite home run record in May with 1,135 dingers.
I met with them earlier today, they are definitely concerned about the game. The young are not watching and youth level playing has dropped off or hasn't....MLB had one set of data but there was another by the Sports and Fitness Association that showed a decline. Pick your research I guess.
Attendance is down again. There is definitely concern.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 04, 2019, 03:41:09 PM
If the foul pole is a logical path, then logically you would also call for nets in the outfield.
How is it that a foul ball that hits the net tracking 3 feet foul of the foul ball any less dangerous than the ball flight being 5 feet the other way and landing in the cheap seats? My God, a fan could be injured by the exact same ball arc, speed, etc. But of course the logic falls apart there. Be consistent. If you think it needs to be pole to pole, why not in fair territory just on the other side of the pole? The Japanese also issue Helmets to fans in sections that don't have netting. They blow whistles when the ball clears the net. Yes, we could do all these things.
In typical ridiculous fashion from MU82, atheist who quotes the Pope....cannot make that up....car racing has had numerous deaths over time and actually is a real danger proven consistently over time. Repeatable. In baseball, 2 deaths in over 350,000 games in 100 years. That is .00000571 chance of death. Yup, apples to apples babe. Right on target as usual.
Why can't an atheist quote the Pope? Do you believe that people who don't share your belief system have nothing valuable to say?
So since I'm not Hindu, I can't quote Gandhi?
Quote from: Cheeks on June 04, 2019, 03:41:09 PM
If the foul pole is a logical path, then logically you would also call for nets in the outfield.
How is it that a foul ball that hits the net tracking 3 feet foul of the foul ball any less dangerous than the ball flight being 5 feet the other way and landing in the cheap seats? My God, a fan could be injured by the exact same ball arc, speed, etc. But of course the logic falls apart there. Be consistent. If you think it needs to be pole to pole, why not in fair territory just on the other side of the pole? The Japanese also issue Helmets to fans in sections that don't have netting. They blow whistles when the ball clears the net. Yes, we could do all these things.
In typical ridiculous fashion from MU82, atheist who quotes the Pope....cannot make that up....car racing has had numerous deaths over time and actually is a real danger proven consistently over time. Repeatable. In baseball, 2 deaths in over 350,000 games in 100 years. That is .00000571 chance of death. Yup, apples to apples babe. Right on target as usual.
My God, you just keep digging in deeper eh?
Quote from: Cheeks on June 04, 2019, 03:41:09 PM
If the foul pole is a logical path, then logically you would also call for nets in the outfield.
How is it that a foul ball that hits the net tracking 3 feet foul of the foul ball any less dangerous than the ball flight being 5 feet the other way and landing in the cheap seats? My God, a fan could be injured by the exact same ball arc, speed, etc. But of course the logic falls apart there. Be consistent. If you think it needs to be pole to pole, why not in fair territory just on the other side of the pole?
So because someone could get hurt somewhere else in the stadium we shouldn't protect another part of the stadium? That logic doesn't hold up for me either.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 04, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
Why can't an atheist quote the Pope? Do you believe that people who don't share your belief system have nothing valuable to say?
So since I'm not Hindu, I can't quote Gandhi?
I hope he continues to quote him, especially on certain issues on life.
Back on topic ... What's the Pope's stance on netting?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 04, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
Why can't an atheist quote the Pope? Do you believe that people who don't share your belief system have nothing valuable to say?
So since I'm not Hindu, I can't quote Gandhi?
There is no subject chicos will not argue about, and he is an expert on everything. He has been banned many times, including some very long bans, yet he keeps coming back because he likes a captive audience. After one of the bans, he came back under a different name and begged forgiveness, said he had changed, etc. Nope. Still the same ol' chicos.
He will be banned again, probably "permanently," but then he'll be back. He lives for this shyte. He lives to argue for the sake of argument and it drives him crazy when he "loses," which is often, so then he resorts to name-calling, goalpost-shifting, fact-fudging, subject-changing and other tools used by desperate folks who are losing debates. Most Scoopers have seen through him for years.
He is an aggrieved white man. Ben Folds pretty much wrote "Rockin' the Suburbs" about him. He hates the free press. He hates California though has lived there for years. His religion is the only religion. He seems obsessed with me being an atheist, which is weird, and likes to mock it, as if it bothers me or the other atheists on the board what a small-minded person thinks.
One funny thing (to me anyway) is that he and I actually agree on much of the Marquette basketball stuff. But when you know everything about every single subject, and are 100% certain that you are right and everybody else is wrong, it's hard to accept or respect others.
Hence his attacks on me and other Scoopers for being atheists. Hence his belief that an atheist can't appreciate some of Pope Francis' wise words. Hence him being chicos.
When did being an atheist become a bad thing?
Quote from: Cheeks on June 04, 2019, 05:26:29 PM
I hope he continues to quote him, especially on certain issues on life.
That certainly was NOT my take away. Your first post seemed to imply a MUCH different stance than you hoping he uses more Pope quotes
Sorry to force baseball into this pissing match, but interesting strategy by the Sox today. They took 2 HS players that will likely sign overslot deals, and that required they basically punt the rest of the draft on college seniors that will sign for very low bonus numbers.
I am interested to see if they saved enough to go over on some picks tomorrow, or if this was basically all to sign their top 4 picks. It is an interesting strategy at least, which is more than I can say for their previous drafts. I like them taking prep arms at least.
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 04, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
Sorry to force baseball into this pissing match, but interesting strategy by the Sox today. They took 2 HS players that will likely sign overslot deals, and that required they basically punt the rest of the draft on college seniors that will sign for very low bonus numbers.
I am interested to see if they saved enough to go over on some picks tomorrow, or if this was basically all to sign their top 4 picks. It is an interesting strategy at least, which is more than I can say for their previous drafts. I like them taking prep arms at least.
How dare you interrupt!
Seriously, it will be interesting to see how these White Sox picks pan out. They already have a lot of nice young talent. Charlotte is their AAA team and I've seen them play a few times.
Philosophically, I don't like it when teams tank for a half-decade or more, hoping against hope to eventually build a contending team, but that seems to be the way it is in all but a few markets in all sports. So if you're gonna do it, you'd better do it right!
Ahh, remember these plays? Let's go foul pole to foul pole so these are no longer possible. Awesome. But hey, at least Bartman can't ruin things anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/v/FWH8R2muvuw
Quote from: #UnleashCain on June 04, 2019, 04:21:04 PM
My God, you just keep digging in deeper eh?
I thought I was on ignore or going there? How is my logic wrong. If the nets are required pole to pole as I'm reading here is a "no brainer" and cannot be argued due to fan safety....well how is it that a ball that is 3 feet to the left of the foul pole down the left field line that now hits the net to save fans from the savagery of doom that is coming their way any LESS dangerous than a ball hit a few feet to the fair side of the pole? We're talking a few feet here. Are those people not worth saving?
Or, wait for it, the idea of going pole to pole complete and total overkill? I'm going with this answer. Logically, if you are for pole to pole to reduce injuries and a 3rd death in 100 years, then why aren't you for nets in the outfield to prevent injuries there? I'm asking for consistency.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 04, 2019, 05:01:23 PM
So because someone could get hurt somewhere else in the stadium we shouldn't protect another part of the stadium? That logic doesn't hold up for me either.
Sure it does....why would the call to action to save the fans from this damaging menace not be complete when we are talking about only a few feet difference? Would you advocate only putting a seat belt for the drivers and not the passengers? The pull down bar on a roller coaster only for those in the front of the coaster and not the back?
Measured approach by the Commissioner. That is a good thing. Pause. Deep breath. Hold off on the panic over reach. Make a proper, consistent decision.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26898425/manfred-expect-season-netting-changes
Quote from: MU82 on June 04, 2019, 07:10:01 PM
How dare you interrupt!
Seriously, it will be interesting to see how these White Sox picks pan out. They already have a lot of nice young talent. Charlotte is their AAA team and I've seen them play a few times.
Philosophically, I don't like it when teams tank for a half-decade or more, hoping against hope to eventually build a contending team, but that seems to be the way it is in all but a few markets in all sports. So if you're gonna do it, you'd better do it right!
Yeah this is a bit of a philosophical change for them. 3 of their first 4 picks were high schoolers. They have been really heavy on picks that have been perceived safe without much room for growth recently. And honestly, their drafting and development has left much to be desired. So I am all on board with this new philosophy.
I also don't love the tanking, but at least with the Sox, now there is a light at the end of the tunnel. While they aren't quite "good" yet, they are competitive most nights, and you can see the talent on the roster. With Robert tearing up the minors, Cease on the doorstep and Kopech scheduled to be recovered for next season, there is reason for hope, and not vain hope, but I think justified hope. A lineup with Anderson, Moncada, Eloy and Robert gives you something to dream on, and a rotation with Kopech, Giolito, Cease and Lopez does the same.
Ok Chicos, where would you end the nets? End of the dugout? Beginning of dugout? 25 feet from beginning of dugout? No nets at all?
I will tell you right now whatever you say I'm going to ask what's the difference between three seats one way and three seats the other way of the location you pick.
I'm really excited for Vaughn. I've been on the "play badly for Adley" train, and certainly would have loved him in a Sox uniform. Vaughn's swing is gorgeous for a right handed hitter. His height doesn't concern me in the least, dude is incredibly strong in his wrists/forearms. His ceiling is 30-40/.300/100. If he's a Goldschmidt/Alonso/Hoskins type, I'll take it, especially since he'll have a shot at the 2020 roster. Vaughn benefits too by playing in a homer friendly park.
My ideal Sox 2020 lineup:
Anderson SS
Moncada CF
Rendon 3B (I'd offer 5yrs/$135)
Abreu DH (1 year deal)
Vaughn 1B
Robert RF
Jimenez LF
McCann C
Madrigal 2B
Quote from: Cheeks on June 04, 2019, 08:34:28 PM
Sure it does....why would the call to action to save the fans from this damaging menace not be complete when we are talking about only a few feet difference? Would you advocate only putting a seat belt for the drivers and not the passengers? The pull down bar on a roller coaster only for those in the front of the coaster and not the back?
You're breaking out all the logical fallacies on this one.
Not having nets in the field doesn't have any impact, negative or positive on having nets in foul territory. You are attempting to use a slippery slope argument which is a logical fallacy. It's kind of whatabouism too. You may have invented the slippery whataboutism. Or does whataboutthatslipperyslopsim work better?
So far in this conversation you have only given two actual reasons against having the nets:
1. They would cost money to install and maintain (though I think most would agree it the cost is highly manageable for major league clubs)
2. They may impact the game by preventing fielders from catching foul balls in the seats. Your second argument is the much stronger of the two. Personally, it's not compelling enough evidence for me. As I said before, I would trade hundreds of missed outs on foul balls for one less injured fan. If it is compelling enough for you. That's fine, reasonable people can disagree.
Sox fans, do you think they will trade Colome? He's under control for another year and would be great to have on a contending team next season but they could get a decent haul for him this year with many teams looking for relievers.
I'd love to have him on the North side but I don't know what the Cubs have to offer in a trade.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 04, 2019, 11:02:41 PM
Sox fans, do you think they will trade Colome? He's under control for another year and would be great to have on a contending team next season but they could get a decent haul for him this year with many teams looking for relievers.
I'd love to have him on the North side but I don't know what the Cubs have to offer in a trade.
I think they should deal him, because I think his market value will be high, and I think there will be some eventual regression with Colome. I'm thrilled the Sox are showing signs of life, but I'm realistic enough to know they're not going to win the pennant this year.
I'd think the Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Phillies would all be in on Colome. If I was the Sox and talking to the Cubs, I'd probably have to have Hoerner coming back. It's most likely a steep cost if I'm the Cubs, but if I'm Hahn, I really have nothing to lose in keeping the price high.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 04, 2019, 10:56:28 PM
You're breaking out all the logical fallacies on this one.
Not having nets in the field doesn't have any impact, negative or positive on having nets in foul territory. You are attempting to use a slippery slope argument which is a logical fallacy. It's kind of whatabouism too. You may have invented the slippery whataboutism. Or does whataboutthatslipperyslopsim work better?
So far in this conversation you have only given two actual reasons against having the nets:
1. They would cost money to install and maintain (though I think most would agree it the cost is highly manageable for major league clubs)
2. They may impact the game by preventing fielders from catching foul balls in the seats. Your second argument is the much stronger of the two. Personally, it's not compelling enough evidence for me. As I said before, I would trade hundreds of missed outs on foul balls for one less injured fan. If it is compelling enough for you. That's fine, reasonable people can disagree.
His best argument, and only reasonable one is not wanting a net to interrupt his view of a game.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on June 05, 2019, 06:43:39 AM
His best argument, and only reasonable one is not wanting a net to interrupt his view of a game.
Show me where I made that argument.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 05, 2019, 08:17:10 AM
Show me where I made that argument.
If you didn't, then you have no good arguments. Congrats.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 04, 2019, 10:51:15 PM
Ok Chicos, where would you end the nets? End of the dugout? Beginning of dugout? 25 feet from beginning of dugout? No nets at all?
I will tell you right now whatever you say I'm going to ask what's the difference between three seats one way and three seats the other way of the location you pick.
Not that hard, use a heat map of where foul balls go and velocity of those balls. The further away from home plate the less velocity. I think using that you will find your answer. If I had to guess it is probably about where they are now or maybe another 50 feet past the dugout. Point is, instead of the knee jerk ban all______ (fill in blank for whatever aggrieved issue) or build net / wall / system extreme, how about a little science behind it.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 05, 2019, 08:23:23 AM
Not that hard, use a heat map of wher foul balls go and velocity of those balls. The further away from home plate the less velocity. I think using that you will find your answer. If I had to guess it is probably about where they are now or maybe another 50 feet past the dugout. Point is, instead of the knee jerk ban all______ (fill in blank for whatever aggrieved issue) or build net / wall / system extreme, how about a little science behind it.
We don't believe in science in this country anymore
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 05, 2019, 08:19:17 AM
If you didn't, then you have no good arguments. Congrats.
I'm glad the commissioner of baseball is more aligned with my view and not the knee jerkers, Surprised to see so much support for building the net wall here. 8-)
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 05, 2019, 08:25:01 AM
We don't believe in science in this country anymore
Sure we do, but the methodology has to be right...eh Forgetful?
Quote from: Cheeks on June 05, 2019, 08:23:23 AM
Not that hard, use a heat map of where foul balls go and velocity of those balls. The further away from home plate the less velocity. I think using that you will find your answer. If I had to guess it is probably about where they are now or maybe another 50 feet past the dugout. Point is, instead of the knee jerk ban all______ (fill in blank for whatever aggrieved issue) or build net / wall / system extreme, how about a little science behind it.
If 50' is what works, then fine. I guess I just don't see much of a difference between that and to the foul pole. It's just a net.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 04, 2019, 10:51:15 PM
Ok Chicos, where would you end the nets? End of the dugout? Beginning of dugout? 25 feet from beginning of dugout? No nets at all?
I will tell you right now whatever you say I'm going to ask what's the difference between three seats one way and three seats the other way of the location you pick.
Agree with this in the sense that unless the nets extend across the entire outfield (which no one here is advocating for) there will always be seats covered by nets and those not covered, which will lead to the inevitable discussion of "what's the difference one seat either way". But, why does that make the foul pole the "no-brainer" solution. MU82 already gave his opinion which is fair. I'm just not convinced the nets need to extend that far and am advocating for some research to be done to determine the appropriate point to end the nets (which admittedly is likely further down the line than they currently extend, but perhaps not the entire foul territory).
Quote from: Cheeks on June 05, 2019, 08:17:10 AM
Show me where I made that argument.
If that one wasnt you, then you royally messed up by stating that. But im pretty sure it was you. In the thread dedicated to netting in baseball.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 05, 2019, 08:25:45 AM
Sure we do, but the methodology has to be right...eh Forgetful?
So global warming and healthcare? Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... forgetaboutit
Quote from: #UnleashCain on June 05, 2019, 10:31:49 AM
If that one wasnt you, then you royally messed up by stating that. But im pretty sure it was you. In the thread dedicated to netting in baseball.
That may have been me. I do not like watching through the netting. My eyes never seem to adjust and its like watching baseball through a screen window. I know the risks and given the option I have selected seats without netting and will continue to do so (if I don't have kids with). However, if research determines the best place for netting to extend is to the foul poles then, so be it, I'll probably sit in the outfield seats then.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 05, 2019, 08:23:23 AM
Not that hard, use a heat map of where foul balls go and velocity of those balls. The further away from home plate the less velocity. I think using that you will find your answer. If I had to guess it is probably about where they are now or maybe another 50 feet past the dugout. Point is, instead of the knee jerk ban all______ (fill in blank for whatever aggrieved issue) or build net / wall / system extreme, how about a little science behind it.
Ok in this scenario what exit velocity do you deem needs to be netted? 100 mph? 90 mph? What percentage of balls in that area has to come in at that velocity? 90%? 75%?
What's the difference between sitting three seats closer to the 100mph barrier and three seats away?
Your solution has way too many variables and results in the same question you keep asking.
So, uhh, baseball?
Quote from: MUDish on June 04, 2019, 11:59:01 PM
I think they should deal him, because I think his market value will be high, and I think there will be some eventual regression with Colome. I'm thrilled the Sox are showing signs of life, but I'm realistic enough to know they're not going to win the pennant this year.
I'd think the Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Phillies would all be in on Colome. If I was the Sox and talking to the Cubs, I'd probably have to have Hoerner coming back. It's most likely a steep cost if I'm the Cubs, but if I'm Hahn, I really have nothing to lose in keeping the price high.
Yeah I don't think I'd trade Nico for him, but like you said, the Sox have nothing to lose in asking for a lot.
Quote from: MUDish on June 04, 2019, 11:59:01 PM
I think they should deal him, because I think his market value will be high, and I think there will be some eventual regression with Colome. I'm thrilled the Sox are showing signs of life, but I'm realistic enough to know they're not going to win the pennant this year.
I'd think the Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Phillies would all be in on Colome. If I was the Sox and talking to the Cubs, I'd probably have to have Hoerner coming back. It's most likely a steep cost if I'm the Cubs, but if I'm Hahn, I really have nothing to lose in keeping the price high.
I'd trade Colome only in an "offer you can't refuse" situation. As in, a package headlined by a top 30ish prospect.
For comparison's sake, the Cubs gave up a package topped by Gleyber Torres (then the #26 prospect) and Billy McKinney (then the #88 prospect) for Aroldis Chapman.
Colome, of course, doesn't have Chapman's stuff or track record, but he's not terribly far off. And unlike Chapman was in 2016, he's under control for another season at what should be a reasonable price.
Not sure I'd want Hoerner as a return. Not sure where he fits, given that his future may be at second base.
Sounds like the Cubs may use Zobrist's money to take a shot at Kimbrel.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2019, 11:36:25 AM
I'd trade Colome only in an "offer you can't refuse" situation. As in, a package headlined by a top 30ish prospect.
For comparison's sake, the Cubs gave up a package topped by Gleyber Torres (then the #26 prospect) and Billy McKinney (then the #88 prospect) for Aroldis Chapman.
Colome, of course, doesn't have Chapman's stuff or track record, but he's not terribly far off. And unlike Chapman was in 2016, he's under control for another season at what should be a reasonable price.
Not sure I'd want Hoerner as a return. Not sure where he fits, given that his future may be at second base.
If I were Hahn and talking to the Cubs, I'd want Hoerner as the return, because he's their best prospect, and you really can't have enough good middle infield prospects. I'm still wishy washy on Madrigal (I know he just got promoted to AA). If I were the Cubs, I'd probably not make that deal.
The Dodgers are probably the best fit, if I could get a package with any of Ruiz or Lux (who I really like), or May, I'd take it.
I'd 100% trade Colome though if it gets me a top 40 and a 70-150 type guy. There'd be a lot of meatball Sox fans saying otherwise, but I think that's a trade you'd have to make. If an offer of that type doesn't come to fruition, just keep him. Sox are in a position where either scenario is perfectly fine.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2019, 11:36:25 AM
I'd trade Colome only in an "offer you can't refuse" situation. As in, a package headlined by a top 30ish prospect.
For comparison's sake, the Cubs gave up a package topped by Gleyber Torres (then the #26 prospect) and Billy McKinney (then the #88 prospect) for Aroldis Chapman.
Colome, of course, doesn't have Chapman's stuff or track record, but he's not terribly far off. And unlike Chapman was in 2016, he's under control for another season at what should be a reasonable price.
Not sure I'd want Hoerner as a return. Not sure where he fits, given that his future may be at second base.
I'm not sure if the Sox can expect anybody to give up as much as the Cubs did in the Chapman trade. But yeah, might as well use it as a starting point.
Quote from: LAZER on June 05, 2019, 01:51:43 PM
I'm not sure if the Sox can expect anybody to give up as much as the Cubs did in the Chapman trade. But yeah, might as well use it as a starting point.
Perhaps not. Definitely not the same pitcher as Chapman.
But that extra year of control ain't nothing, either. And the Sox really have no reason to be rid of Colome. Heck, they're only 2 games out a wild card spot. I don't expect them to be contenders come August and September, but they could contend in 2020 and Colome would be valuable then.
So, there's no need to move him unless they're blown away by the offer. The days of selling off the bullpen in July should be over.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on June 04, 2019, 08:54:57 AM
I can't say I'm pleased with this decision, especially since I'm stuck with Hiura in my weekly fantasy league, but its probably the right one.
Most of the pitchers have options remaining, but the only position players with options are Gamel (too valuable as the fourth OF), Arcia (swinging a hot bat and the key to the defense), and Hiura. Shaw has options too.
I think Stearns sees this playing out in one of a few ways:
- Shaw comes back to form, hits 15 dingers and bats .270 for the rest of the season. Hiura comes back in September.
- Someone gets hurt (perhaps "conveniently") from the group of Shaw, Moose, Aguilar, Thames, Perez. Hiura comes back up.
- Shaw is terrible again for two weeks. Shaw gets optioned to AAA, Hiura comes back and continues to rake.
Ideally, all of those "Hiura comes back" happen after whenever the Super 2 date is.
Brewers are probably hoping Shaw starts hitting and then they can peddle his heine and bring Hiura back up, hey?
Quote from: LAZER on June 05, 2019, 01:51:43 PM
I'm not sure if the Sox can expect anybody to give up as much as the Cubs did in the Chapman trade. But yeah, might as well use it as a starting point.
Yeah there's no way Alex Colome is fetching a prospect in any organization's top three. If the Sox can get anything in a club's top five, they should pull the trigger immediately. Colome will get an arb raise to between $8.5 - $9 next year which aint cheap. And his numbers right now are completely unsustainable. His groundball percentage is down more than 10% and yet his BABIP against is .130! That's like, unbelievably, hysterically low - for comparison, among qualified pitchers (starters, so not a perfect comp but good luck sorting nonqualified pitching stats) Verlander leads at .163 and only 14 other guys are below .250. And the flyball percentage suggests Colome's low babip isn't necessarily on the back of soft groundball contact. His ERA is 1.52 and his xFIP is 4.20. His K/9 are also down significantly. His strand rate is at 90%. The second half is not going to be kind to old Alex Colome.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 05, 2019, 02:13:07 PM
Brewers are probably hoping Shaw starts hitting and then they can peddle his heine and bring Hiura back up, hey?
They're not trading Shaw. Moose is here on a one year.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 05, 2019, 02:15:46 PM
Yeah there's no way Alex Colome is fetching a prospect in any organization's top three. If the Sox can get anything in a club's top five, they should pull the trigger immediately. Colome will get an arb raise to between $8.5 - $9 next year which aint cheap. And his numbers right now are completely unsustainable. His groundball percentage is down more than 10% and yet his BABIP against is .130! That's like, unbelievably, hysterically low - for comparison, among qualified pitchers (starters, so not a perfect comp but good luck sorting nonqualified pitching stats) Verlander leads at .163 and only 14 other guys are below .250. And the flyball percentage suggests Colome's low babip isn't necessarily on the back of soft groundball contact. His ERA is 1.52 and his xFIP is 4.20. His K/9 are also down significantly. His strand rate is at 90%. The second half is not going to be kind to old Alex Colome.
Thanks much for the jinx.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 05, 2019, 02:15:46 PM
Yeah there's no way Alex Colome is fetching a prospect in any organization's top three. If the Sox can get anything in a club's top five, they should pull the trigger immediately. Colome will get an arb raise to between $8.5 - $9 next year which aint cheap. And his numbers right now are completely unsustainable. His groundball percentage is down more than 10% and yet his BABIP against is .130! That's like, unbelievably, hysterically low - for comparison, among qualified pitchers (starters, so not a perfect comp but good luck sorting nonqualified pitching stats) Verlander leads at .163 and only 14 other guys are below .250. And the flyball percentage suggests Colome's low babip isn't necessarily on the back of soft groundball contact. His ERA is 1.52 and his xFIP is 4.20. His K/9 are also down significantly. His strand rate is at 90%. The second half is not going to be kind to old Alex Colome.
Not that you are totally wrong here, but comparing a closers numbers to starters numbers seems to be, well incongruent. Again, not that I disagree with your premise, but I would guess that the BABIP numbers for relievers, and especially closers are a bit different from that of starters.
And I think if they get even a back end top 100 guy you make that move. Anything higher than that and you do it before the other team can change their mind. They should also sign Kimbrel, and trade him.
Kimbrel to Cubs pending a physical.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 05, 2019, 07:43:09 PM
Kimbrel to Cubs pending a physical.
Finally a dominant reliever that doesn't beat his SO but hey he got them a championship so second chances are good, right?
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 05, 2019, 07:50:10 PM
Finally a dominant reliever that doesn't beat his SO but hey he got them a championship so second chances are good, right?
::)
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 05, 2019, 07:43:09 PM
Kimbrel to Cubs pending a physical.
Idiotic that they didn't do this in March.
I know, they wanted the draft pick, which they used to take a that was projected as a 3rd round pick. And likely a reliever to boot. Makes no sense.
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 05, 2019, 08:30:27 PM
Idiotic that they didn't do this in March.
I know, they wanted the draft pick, which they used to take a that was projected as a 3rd round pick. And likely a reliever to boot. Makes no sense.
You think Kimbrel's demands in March might have been a little bit different than they were today? There's a reason not a single team signed him before the season started and it wasn't only the draft pick and pool money tied to him.
Additionally, this may point to it being unlikely that Zobrist returns and that's where his money may be going. So it actually makes quite a bit of sense.
I wonder how the Cubbies found the money to pay Kimbrel. Always so tough for them to make ends meet.
The Cubs having the money to sign Kimbrel because Zobrist's wife was banging one of his teammates and now Zobrist doesn't want to return is...interesting.
(I don't blame Zobrist for not wanting to come back)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 05, 2019, 09:28:33 PM
Additionally, this may point to it being unlikely that Zobrist returns and that's where his money may be going. So it actually makes quite a bit of sense.
It would be stunning (and stunn8dumb, given his circumstances) for Zobrist to walk away and leave some $10 million on the table.
And who cares? Not like they need to fit Kimbrel under the cap.
Quote from: MUDish on June 05, 2019, 10:21:42 PM
The Cubs having the money to sign Kimbrel because Zobrist's wife was banging one of his teammates and now Zobrist doesn't want to return is...interesting.
(I don't blame Zobrist for not wanting to come back)
Ah yes, a self-described "American Christian musician".
Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2019, 10:30:17 PM
It would be stunning (and stunn8dumb, given his circumstances) for Zobrist to walk away and leave some $10 million on the table.
And who cares? Not like they need to fit Kimbrel under the cap.
Zobrist is set for life. I agree it's a lot of money to walk away from but it's not completely shocking to me.
I believe it would have impacted the luxury tax. The Cubs obviously set some money aside for the trade deadline but the front office clearly didn't have the green light to do much of anything during the offseason.
Quote from: MUDish on June 05, 2019, 10:21:42 PM
The Cubs having the money to sign Kimbrel because Zobrist's wife was banging one of his teammates and now Zobrist doesn't want to return is...interesting.
(I don't blame Zobrist for not wanting to come back)
Where'd you hear this? Which teammate? Obviously it's happened before but seems hard to believe.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 05, 2019, 10:35:21 PM
Where'd you hear this? Which teammate? Obviously it's happened before but seems hard to believe.
I have a friend who works for a different team in Chicago, and this person is also a big Cubs fan. I had casually asked if this person knew anything about why Zobrist was gone so long, and that's where I had heard the rumor. I totally get that divorce is brutal, especially out of state, with kids, and you play pro ball, but it seemed odd that Zobrist was gone so long. I didn't want to recklessly speculate on it here, but the media in town is for sure dancing around the subject now, and the Cubs have done a good job to bury it as much as possible.
I think I know who it is, but I'd rather not give the name.
In all fairness too, it's a crummy way for Zobrist to go out. He was a gigantic part of them winning the WS, and by all accounts a good dude. Hopefully time heals things, and I'm sure folks at Wrigley would give him a good and proper send off.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 05, 2019, 10:33:38 PM
Zobrist is set for life. I agree it's a lot of money to walk away from but it's not completely shocking to me.
I believe it would have impacted the luxury tax. The Cubs obviously set some money aside for the trade deadline but the front office clearly didn't have the green light to do much of anything during the offseason.
The guy's getting a divorce, which means that no matter how set he may or may not be, there's a reasonable chance the soon-to-be ex is getting a big chunk of his earnings (and history shows that plenty of athletes aren't "set for life" regardless of career earnings).
On top of that, family court judges don't look kindly upon spouses who choose not to work. It would not be a surprise if a court includes the money Zobrist chose to walk away from in any distribution of assets and child support calculation.
Like I said, walking away from $10 million would be dumb, and not just because it's foregoing $10 million.
At the Angels game tonight with two sports pros, all of us think the net thing is ridiculous....but whatever.
#BuildtheNetWall
Quote from: Cheeks on June 05, 2019, 10:54:45 PM
At the Angels game tonight with two sports pros, all of us think the net thing is ridiculous....but whatever.
#BuildtheNetWall
Just drop the damn names already.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 05, 2019, 10:54:45 PM
At the Angels game tonight with two sports pros, all of us think the net thing is ridiculous....but whatever.
#BuildtheNetWall
This is an example of the appeal to authority logical fallacy. This is when someone cites an authority figure even though they aren't actually experts on the subject matter.
Keep it going Chicos. You already knocked off slippery slope, whataboutism, and weak analogy so appeal to authority makes 4. Work in 5 logical fallacies into one argument and you get a set of steaknives.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 05, 2019, 11:57:31 PM
This is an example of the appeal to authority logical fallacy. This is when someone cites an authority figure even though they aren't actually experts on the subject matter.
Keep it going Chicos. You already knocked off slippery slope, whataboutism, and weak analogy so appeal to authority makes 4. Work in 5 logical fallacies into one argument and you get a set of steaknives.
You're forgetting reductio ad absurdum.
Quote from: MUDish on June 05, 2019, 10:50:22 PM
I have a friend who works for a different team in Chicago, and this person is also a big Cubs fan. I had casually asked if this person knew anything about why Zobrist was gone so long, and that's where I had heard the rumor. I totally get that divorce is brutal, especially out of state, with kids, and you play pro ball, but it seemed odd that Zobrist was gone so long. I didn't want to recklessly speculate on it here, but the media in town is for sure dancing around the subject now, and the Cubs have done a good job to bury it as much as possible.
I think I know who it is, but I'd rather not give the name.
In all fairness too, it's a crummy way for Zobrist to go out. He was a gigantic part of them winning the WS, and by all accounts a good dude. Hopefully time heals things, and I'm sure folks at Wrigley would give him a good and proper send off.
If true that's horrible. Zobrist also took a leave in spring training but returned. Why would he return once if this player was still on the team? Definitely a possibility but still hard not to be skeptical. Without naming names, is the alleged player on the current active roster?
Regardless, he does seem like a good guy and Cubs fans love him. I hope he figures it out and does come back.
There was a similar rumor in Detroit a few years ago. All involved, the husband with the cheating wife, the alleged philanderer, and the teammate who spilled the beans, were playing elsewhere within a year.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 06, 2019, 07:36:09 AM
If true that's horrible. Zobrist also took a leave in spring training but returned. Why would he return once if this player was still on the team? Definitely a possibility but still hard not to be skeptical. Without naming names, is the alleged player on the current active roster?
Regardless, he does seem like a good guy and Cubs fans love him. I hope he figures it out and does come back.
Addison Russell the one banging the wife? Lmao.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 05, 2019, 11:16:25 PM
Just drop the damn names already.
Mite bee Kerr and Nurse, aina?
Quote from: Cheeks on June 05, 2019, 10:54:45 PM
At the Angels game tonight with two sports pros, all of us think the net thing is ridiculous....but whatever.
#BuildtheNetWall
Had breakfast this morning with
three people who have had concussions. We all think that they should extend the nets. My logical fallacy beats your logical fallacy by a score of 3-2. Game. Set. Match.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2019, 07:30:19 AM
You're forgetting reductio ad absurdum.
He did that in the Daily Dose of Doom thread, so you can check that one off.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 05, 2019, 09:28:33 PM
You think Kimbrel's demands in March might have been a little bit different than they were today? There's a reason not a single team signed him before the season started and it wasn't only the draft pick and pool money tied to him.
Additionally, this may point to it being unlikely that Zobrist returns and that's where his money may be going. So it actually makes quite a bit of sense.
Yeah, I'm sure he dropped his demands a day into the draft and that was the biggest factor in him signing. The timing with it being nearly immediately after the draft pick forfeiture was just a small coincidence.
And I didn't mean to pick on your precious cubbies. Every team is stupid with that nonsense. There are what, 5 or 6 teams that could have really used Kimbrel and all of them valued a late 1st or 2nd round pick more highly than a stud closer. That doesn't seem to make much sense. The Cubs traded a top 5 prospect in the game for a closer, and it was a huge reason they won their WS. Now they (and all those other teams) weren't willing to give up a pick? Teams that missed out on Kimbrel are going to end up trading more highly ranked prospects for closers than they would have sacrificed to sign him. Last season, it took 163 games to determine 2 divisions. That 1 game a crappy 2nd or 3rd tier closer blew, could cost a team a division, or the playoffs. So I hope they got good 2nd round talent.
Now the thing with Zobrist makes this make more sense, I didn't know that he was entertaining the idea of retiring nor did I know that the Cubs aren't paying him (obviously if he retires, they aren't paying him, but I guess I am still unclear, are they paying him now while he is on leave? I would have assumed they are but this seems like maybe they are not?).
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 06, 2019, 08:28:14 AM
Addison Russell the one banging the wife? Lmao.
I would think it has to be someone more important to the Cubs roster than Zobrist, or else they would have moved (traded, waived DFA) the other player rather than lose Zobrist. I could be wrong.
I really feel for Zobrist on this, even before Dish dropped that it was a teammate. Seems like he is really struggling with this personal tragedy. Poor guy.
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2019, 08:14:12 AM
There was a similar rumor in Detroit a few years ago. All involved, the husband with the cheating wife, the alleged philanderer, and the teammate who spilled the beans, were playing elsewhere within a year.
I believe the Blackhawks had a similar fairly recently as well.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 05, 2019, 02:15:46 PM
Yeah there's no way Alex Colome is fetching a prospect in any organization's top three. If the Sox can get anything in a club's top five, they should pull the trigger immediately. Colome will get an arb raise to between $8.5 - $9 next year which aint cheap. And his numbers right now are completely unsustainable. His groundball percentage is down more than 10% and yet his BABIP against is .130! That's like, unbelievably, hysterically low - for comparison, among qualified pitchers (starters, so not a perfect comp but good luck sorting nonqualified pitching stats) Verlander leads at .163 and only 14 other guys are below .250. And the flyball percentage suggests Colome's low babip isn't necessarily on the back of soft groundball contact. His ERA is 1.52 and his xFIP is 4.20. His K/9 are also down significantly. His strand rate is at 90%. The second half is not going to be kind to old Alex Colome.
I generally agree with the premise that Colome won't keep up his early season pace, but I don't think he has to in order command a significant return in a trade. He just needs to be the guy he was in Tampa, i.e. an all-star closer. And even if his numbers tick upward, he's still well on pace to be that guy.
For those who understandably don't like the Chapman deal as a comparable, how about the Angels' acquisition of Huston Street in 2014. In exchange for Street, the Padres got back the Angels' 1st and 4th ranked prospects, along with a pair of lesser prospects. Street, like Colome, was under control for an additional year.
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 06, 2019, 09:13:48 AM
I would think it has to be someone more important to the Cubs roster than Zobrist, or else they would have moved (traded, waived DFA) the other player rather than lose Zobrist. I could be wrong.
I really feel for Zobrist on this, even before Dish dropped that it was a teammate. Seems like he is really struggling with this personal tragedy. Poor guy.
Yeah, Addy banging the wife of a key player would be a real deal breaker. :o
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 05, 2019, 06:15:40 PM
Not that you are totally wrong here, but comparing a closers numbers to starters numbers seems to be, well incongruent. Again, not that I disagree with your premise, but I would guess that the BABIP numbers for relievers, and especially closers are a bit different from that of starters.
No doubt you're right - I'm just too lazy/technologically inept to sort nonqualified pitching stats (I couldn't find by RP, so the only other option was to sort by guys without enough innings to qualify). I'm sure that RPs have lower BABIP as a group due to having sharper and stronger stuff, but even allowing for a 50 pt reduction on average BABIP across the board, Colome's number would still stand out. Heck, a 100 pt reduction would probably put Colome in the middle of the pack.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2019, 09:19:32 AM
I generally agree with the premise that Colome won't keep up his early season pace, but I don't think he has to in order command a significant return in a trade. He just needs to be the guy he was in Tampa, i.e. an all-star closer. And even if his numbers tick upward, he's still well on pace to be that guy.
For those who understandably don't like the Chapman deal as a comparable, how about the Angels' acquisition of Huston Street in 2014. In exchange for Street, the Padres got back the Angels' 1st and 4th ranked prospects, along with a pair of lesser prospects. Street, like Colome, was under control for an additional year.
Oof, that Street trade is a good point. The contract is real similar to Street too, who was due $7M in his remaining year.
And you're right that if you squint hard enough, you can make out similarities between Colome's 2016 all star season and this year - though he's striking out fewer guys but just giving up less hits, which shows up in that BABIP against again, .280 in 2016 and .130 to date.
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 06, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
Yeah, I'm sure he dropped his demands a day into the draft and that was the biggest factor in him signing. The timing with it being nearly immediately after the draft pick forfeiture was just a small coincidence.
And I didn't mean to pick on your precious cubbies. Every team is stupid with that nonsense. There are what, 5 or 6 teams that could have really used Kimbrel and all of them valued a late 1st or 2nd round pick more highly than a stud closer. That doesn't seem to make much sense. The Cubs traded a top 5 prospect in the game for a closer, and it was a huge reason they won their WS. Now they (and all those other teams) weren't willing to give up a pick? Teams that missed out on Kimbrel are going to end up trading more highly ranked prospects for closers than they would have sacrificed to sign him. Last season, it took 163 games to determine 2 divisions. That 1 game a crappy 2nd or 3rd tier closer blew, could cost a team a division, or the playoffs. So I hope they got good 2nd round talent.
Now the thing with Zobrist makes this make more sense, I didn't know that he was entertaining the idea of retiring nor did I know that the Cubs aren't paying him (obviously if he retires, they aren't paying him, but I guess I am still unclear, are they paying him now while he is on leave? I would have assumed they are but this seems like maybe they are not?).
Again, he wasn't unsigned going into the season because of the pick, although it was a consideration. It was because he was allegedly demanding 6 years and $100+ million and wasn't budging off of those demands. Now he's signed for half the years and less than half the money of his original demands. The Cubs signed Descalso and Brach for small deals and some other cheap bullpen arms around the margins. Kimbrel was never a consideration until recently.
As for Zobrist, players usually aren't paid when they are on the restricted list. The Cubs haven't said either way if they're paying him but it seems logical that might be how they were now able to afford Kimbrel this season. Maybe that's not the case but it would make sense.
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 06, 2019, 09:14:34 AM
I believe the Blackhawks had a similar fairly recently as well.
There were rumors about Sharp and Kane's girlfriend but those were proven to be unfounded. That's why you've gotta take any of this kind of stuff with a grain of salt.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 06, 2019, 09:30:47 AM
Oof, that Street trade is a good point. The contract is real similar to Street too, who was due $7M in his remaining year.
And you're right that if you squint hard enough, you can make out similarities between Colome's 2016 all star season and this year - though he's striking out fewer guys but just giving up less hits, which shows up in that BABIP against again, .280 in 2016 and .130 to date.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying the Sox
will get a couple of top 5 prospects for Colome, just that that's the kind of package that it should take for them to deal him. If they don't get that kind of an offer, there's really no need for them to trade him away ... and it sends a bad signal to the players and fans who've been told the rebuild is over and they're expected to contend for the playoffs in 2020.
Quote from: TSmith34 on June 06, 2019, 09:08:14 AM
He did that in the Daily Dose of Doom thread, so you can check that one off.
True, the people running around saying we have 12 years are absolutely absurd....glad we finally agree.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 06, 2019, 09:34:08 AM
Again, he wasn't unsigned going into the season because of the pick, although it was a consideration. It was because he was allegedly demanding 6 years and $100+ million and wasn't budging off of those demands. Now he's signed for half the years and less than half the money of his original demands. The Cubs signed Descalso and Brach for small deals and some other cheap bullpen arms around the margins. Kimbrel was never a consideration until recently.
He was asking for 6/100 in November. I have to believe that those demands had come down over time as those were just ridiculous numbers. And those demands seemed to have clearly pushed teams away. But I would guess that in March, or April, he was much closer to what he signed for yesterday. With the timing of when he signed (and I bet Keuchel signs in the next week or so), clearly the draft pick was a major concern for teams. I think this is a major facet of the next CBA.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2019, 09:45:40 AM
Just to be clear, I'm not saying the Sox will get a couple of top 5 prospects for Colome, just that that's the kind of package that it should take for them to deal him. If they don't get that kind of an offer, there's really no need for them to trade him away ... and it sends a bad signal to the players and fans who've been told the rebuild is over and they're expected to contend for the playoffs in 2020.
I am very interested to see how the 1 trade deadline will impact how things go this trading season.
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 06, 2019, 11:40:57 AM
I am very interested to see how the 1 trade deadline will impact how things go this trading season.
This. Hoping for a very hectic and exciting trade deadline this year.
All but two teams in the NL are within 5 games of the playoffs so that should help as well.
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 06, 2019, 11:39:43 AM
He was asking for 6/100 in November. I have to believe that those demands had come down over time as those were just ridiculous numbers. And those demands seemed to have clearly pushed teams away. But I would guess that in March, or April, he was much closer to what he signed for yesterday. With the timing of when he signed (and I bet Keuchel signs in the next week or so), clearly the draft pick was a major concern for teams. I think this is a major facet of the next CBA.
Obviously the further the season progressed the more of a factor the draft compensation was. Even if he dropped from his initial demand of 6/100 he would have absolutely been signed prior to the season if he was willing to accept 3/45 at that point, IMO. Seems logical his demands in March we're still well above what he ultimately accepted.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 06, 2019, 12:05:07 PM
This. Hoping for a very hectic and exciting trade deadline this year.
All but two teams in the NL are within 5 games of the playoffs so that should help as well.
Actually if a bunch of teams are close, it incentivizes them not to trade. What you would want is about half the league in contention, and the other half way out of contention.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 06, 2019, 12:49:11 PM
Obviously the further the season progressed the more of a factor the draft compensation was. Even if he dropped from his initial demand of 6/100 he would have absolutely been signed prior to the season if he was willing to accept 3/45 at that point, IMO. Seems logical his demands in March we're still well above what he ultimately accepted.
Does it not seem logical that him signing 2 days after the draft compensation was no longer tied to him indicated that the draft compensation being tied to him was an impediment to his free agency?
Somehow I don't feel as though I am out on a limb here.
"With the draft just a few days away, it's likely that free agents Craig Kimbrel and Dallas Keuchel will (finally) come off the board in the near future. Once the calendar flips from June 2 to June 3, clubs will no longer be forced to surrender a draft pick to sign either former All-Star."
from MLBTR.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/05/craig-kimbrel-rumors-braves-phillies-rays-twins.html
Obviously, the primary impediment to a deal with either hurler is money, but the loss of draft assets is absolutely baked into each team's calculus when it comes to deciding which free agents to target and how much to offer them. No team is going to pass on a free agent solely because of draft considerations, but the compensation system does create a potential barrier.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/why-the-mlb-draft-could-open-up-the-market-for-dallas-keuchel-and-craig-kimbrel/
Translation: Waiting until after the draft could be smart for the interested teams and for Keuchel and Kimbrel -- whose markets could get more competitive with the draft pick compensation and bonus pool money aspect removed from the equation.
https://www.sny.tv/yankees/news/why-free-agents-dallas-keuchel-and-craig-kimbrel-could-wait-until-after-june-5-to-sign/306716176
What we might have heard over the last few months is that teams are waiting until after the draft in June to sign Keuchel or Kimbrel so as to avoid losing a draft pick. Over the last decade, as the game has gotten younger and younger players have gotten cheaper relative to veterans, teams have placed greater emphasis on draft picks
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-team-by-team-draft-cost-of-signing-dallas-keuchel-or-craig-kimbrel/
Kimbrel went from no one wanting to sign him last week, to 4 or 5 teams making serious offers this week. Pretty coincidental timing.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 06, 2019, 12:51:23 PM
Actually if a bunch of teams are close, it incentivizes them not to trade. What you would want is about half the league in contention, and the other half way out of contention.
That's what the bottom half of the AL is for haha.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 06, 2019, 09:35:02 AM
There were rumors about Sharp and Kane's girlfriend but those were proven to be unfounded. That's why you've gotta take any of this kind of stuff with a grain of salt.
I was pretty sure it was Sharp and Keith's wife, which is why the situation was gnarly
Quote from: JWags85 on June 06, 2019, 02:41:18 PM
I was pretty sure it was Sharp and Keith's wife, which is why the situation was gnarly
Sharp likes his Chicago weather ladies as well.
Quote from: MUDish on June 06, 2019, 02:45:16 PM
Sharp likes his Chicago weather ladies as well.
And the wife of the equipment manager.
Apparently Sharp just can't keep it in his pants.
bmg could have a straight up hd porn video of a chicago athlete banging a teammates wife, the wife and the teammate going through an ugly divorce, and hed still be claiming that unless you were in the room while it was being video taped theres no possible way you can prove that this wasnt some edited video and it really never happened.
he also thinks it was just coincidental timing that kimbrels price just happened to drop to where the cubs felt comfortable enough to sign him right when they could hang onto all their draft picks, and doesnt think kimbrels price had been at that point before teams would be able to hang onto their draft picks but teams didnt want to lose their draft picks so they didnt sign him. because that would be very smart negotiations by a guy who was already willing to sit out 2 1/2 months of baseball. "hey, right when you get a separate incentive to sign me now (dont have to lose your draft pick anymore) ill go ahead and cut my price in half for you!"
classic.
Quite an incredible coincidence that the two big name pitchers who were both willing to sit out the first two and a half months of the season both decided to lower their price to the point of teams finally paying them on the exact same day.
Has nothing to do with the draft picks these two teams saved though. Kuechel and Kimbrel both definitely lowered their prices today. They finally gave in.
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 06, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
bmg could have a straight up hd porn video of a chicago athlete banging a teammates wife, the wife and the teammate going through an ugly divorce, and hed still be claiming that unless you were in the room while it was being video taped theres no possible way you can prove that this wasnt some edited video and it really never happened.
Have you seen deep fakes? Cause thats definitely a thing that could happen at this point.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 06, 2019, 09:28:48 PM
Quite an incredible coincidence that the two big name pitchers who were both willing to sit out the first two and a half months of the season both decided to lower their price to the point of teams finally paying them on the exact same day.
Has nothing to do with the draft picks these two teams saved though. Kuechel and Kimbrel both definitely lowered their prices today. They finally gave in.
I agree on Kimbrel - he still got the most money of any 2018-2019 RP. Not sure I agree on Kuechel though. If you decide you're only willing to sign Kuechel for one year, and he's only worth the prorated QO, that draft pick is a bigger deal in the grand scheme of the transaction as a whole. If you're chucking $40M+ at Kimbrel, meh, its not as big of a factor.
As a Brewers fan, the Keuchel signing is worse for me, especially at one year. Feel like we have a better idea what to expect out of him, and while he's not the Cy Young Keuchel anymore, he could have been a stabilizing force for that staff.
The view through the nets is not an issue for me and I don't think it is for anyone. I went to a game on Wednesday and was probably 10 feet from the net behind the dugout. I was a guest of some in the industry. When I go on my own, as I did two weeks earlier, I choose not to sit by the nets down the line. I want that action. I like that the kids can get autographs before the game. I like the players reaching over to play foul balls, etc. It's one of the sports you can be part of the action and close to the players.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 07, 2019, 11:57:20 AM
The view through the nets is not an issue for me and I don't think it is for anyone. I went to a game on Wednesday and was probably 10 feet from the net behind the dugout. I was a guest of some in the industry. When I go on my own, as I did two weeks earlier, I choose not to sit by the nets down the line. I want that action. I like that the kids can get autographs before the game. I like the players reaching over to play foul balls, etc. It's one of the sports you can be part of the action and close to the players.
Phew. Thanks for yet another illuminating entry in your continuing tired narrative
Giolito's next three starts are Yankees/Cubs/Red Sox. He's second in fWAR now for all MLB pitchers. His slash line against last 7 starts is absurd (.154/.200/.185).
His next 3 starts will help define his Cy Young run.
Amazing turnaround, he was arguably the worst starter in MLB last year. Talent was always there, dude has worked his tail off to get better.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 23, 2019, 12:06:04 PM
And Miller Park South is a complete dump. Difference is Brewers fans don't pretend that their stadium is the best stadium in baseball. They realize it's an average stadium that you can tailgate at.
Again, when was the last time you were at Wrigley?
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 06, 2019, 01:57:19 PM
Does it not seem logical that him signing 2 days after the draft compensation was no longer tied to him indicated that the draft compensation being tied to him was an impediment to his free agency?
Somehow I don't feel as though I am out on a limb here.
"With the draft just a few days away, it's likely that free agents Craig Kimbrel and Dallas Keuchel will (finally) come off the board in the near future. Once the calendar flips from June 2 to June 3, clubs will no longer be forced to surrender a draft pick to sign either former All-Star."
from MLBTR.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/05/craig-kimbrel-rumors-braves-phillies-rays-twins.html
Obviously, the primary impediment to a deal with either hurler is money, but the loss of draft assets is absolutely baked into each team's calculus when it comes to deciding which free agents to target and how much to offer them. No team is going to pass on a free agent solely because of draft considerations, but the compensation system does create a potential barrier.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/why-the-mlb-draft-could-open-up-the-market-for-dallas-keuchel-and-craig-kimbrel/
Translation: Waiting until after the draft could be smart for the interested teams and for Keuchel and Kimbrel -- whose markets could get more competitive with the draft pick compensation and bonus pool money aspect removed from the equation.
https://www.sny.tv/yankees/news/why-free-agents-dallas-keuchel-and-craig-kimbrel-could-wait-until-after-june-5-to-sign/306716176
What we might have heard over the last few months is that teams are waiting until after the draft in June to sign Keuchel or Kimbrel so as to avoid losing a draft pick. Over the last decade, as the game has gotten younger and younger players have gotten cheaper relative to veterans, teams have placed greater emphasis on draft picks
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-team-by-team-draft-cost-of-signing-dallas-keuchel-or-craig-kimbrel/
Kimbrel went from no one wanting to sign him last week, to 4 or 5 teams making serious offers this week. Pretty coincidental timing.
Of course the draft pick was a factor. Please point out where I said it wasn't.
When free agency started the main obstacle was the term and average annual value he demanded. Of course as the season progressed and the draft was a month or two away the draft pick became more of a factor. Pretty simple.
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 06, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
bmg could have a straight up hd porn video of a chicago athlete banging a teammates wife, the wife and the teammate going through an ugly divorce, and hed still be claiming that unless you were in the room while it was being video taped theres no possible way you can prove that this wasnt some edited video and it really never happened.
he also thinks it was just coincidental timing that kimbrels price just happened to drop to where the cubs felt comfortable enough to sign him right when they could hang onto all their draft picks, and doesnt think kimbrels price had been at that point before teams would be able to hang onto their draft picks but teams didnt want to lose their draft picks so they didnt sign him. because that would be very smart negotiations by a guy who was already willing to sit out 2 1/2 months of baseball. "hey, right when you get a separate incentive to sign me now (dont have to lose your draft pick anymore) ill go ahead and cut my price in half for you!"
classic.
You might be the dumbest person on Scoop. Well, you or Wades, as he gives his stupidity a nice showcase below.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 06, 2019, 09:28:48 PM
Quite an incredible coincidence that the two big name pitchers who were both willing to sit out the first two and a half months of the season both decided to lower their price to the point of teams finally paying them on the exact same day.
Has nothing to do with the draft picks these two teams saved though. Kuechel and Kimbrel both definitely lowered their prices today. They finally gave in.
.
Please point out where anyone said that draft pick compensation had absolutely nothing to do with the entire Kimbrel and Keuchel sagas.
Quote from: MUDish on June 08, 2019, 08:42:17 PM
Amazing turnaround, he was arguably the worst starter in MLB last year. Talent was always there, dude has worked his tail off to get better.
Nah, that would be chatwood.
Big Papi shot in the leg and hospitalized in a burglary attempt.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 09, 2019, 09:32:11 PM
Big Papi shot in the leg and hospitalized in a burglary attempt.
Shot in the back, but expected to live.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 09, 2019, 09:32:11 PM
Big Papi shot in the leg and hospitalized in a burglary attempt.
The security footage video of the shooting is circulating online. No way was it a burglary attempt as originally reported. It was either a failed hit due to a gunman with nerves or a lack of skill, or someone sending a message. Dude brazenly walks up to him as he sits at an outdoor cafe and pulls the trigger without an interaction.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 06, 2019, 07:36:09 AM
If true that's horrible. Zobrist also took a leave in spring training but returned. Why would he return once if this player was still on the team? Definitely a possibility but still hard not to be skeptical. Without naming names, is the alleged player on the current active roster?
Regardless, he does seem like a good guy and Cubs fans love him. I hope he figures it out and does come back.
Yu Darvish
Quote from: JWags85 on June 10, 2019, 02:42:07 PM
The security footage video of the shooting is circulating online. No way was it a burglary attempt as originally reported. It was either a failed hit due to a gunman with nerves or a lack of skill, or someone sending a message. Dude brazenly walks up to him as he sits at an outdoor cafe and pulls the trigger without an interaction.
If a hit, why not shoot him in the head? Weird. Or maybe you are right, case of nerves.
I know the Sox said Eloy's homer was 462 feet, but having been to that ballpark my whole life, that had to be close to 500 feet. I've never seen a ball hit that far there.
Quote from: MUDish on June 11, 2019, 11:24:12 PM
I know the Sox said Eloy's homer was 462 feet, but having been to that ballpark my whole life, that had to be close to 500 feet. I've never seen a ball hit that far there.
That title belongs to future Hall of Famer Joe Borchard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG3osc8qUqA
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on June 12, 2019, 06:00:08 PM
That title belongs to future Hall of Famer Joe Borchard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG3osc8qUqA
I don't know. Eloy's landed in about the same spot on the concourse but in center field. I think I'm going to give Eloy's the distance nod.
Ahh, Borchard, still waiting for him to become something.
How much longer are the brewers going to let Aguilar be a black hole in the lineup?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on June 13, 2019, 11:59:07 AM
How much longer are the brewers going to let Aguilar be a black hole in the lineup?
Until the offense becomes any kind of problem.
In reality he's either come off the bench or not even appeared in 16 of the last 23 games. Thames is going to be in there against righties most nights, Grandal will get a game or 2 at first here and there, and once Huira's able to come up without losing a year of control (not entirely sure when that is) Shaw, if still in the majors, will get some time at first too.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 13, 2019, 12:21:58 PM
In reality he's either come off the bench or not even appeared in 16 of the last 23 games. Thames is going to be in there against righties most nights, Grandal will get a game or 2 at first here and there, and once Huira's able to come up without losing a year of control (not entirely sure when that is) Shaw, if still in the majors, will get some time at first too.
Yup, the bolded is why Hiura was sent back down when Shaw was healthy, imho, in hopes that Shaw finds his stroke.
Quote from: MUDish on June 12, 2019, 09:11:46 PM
Ahh, Borchard, still waiting for him to become something.
Didn't he get like the second largest signing bonus in history or something, despite not being a top 10 pick?
They're not DFAing Aguilar. Zero chance at that unless there's a rash of unusual injuries.
Aguilar is making $600k. Right now he's just a cheap bat off the bench. He's hitting his arbitration years, at the age of 30, starting next year. I doubt he will be on the team much after this year.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 13, 2019, 03:03:09 PM
Yup, the bolded is why Hiura was sent back down when Shaw was healthy, imho, in hopes that Shaw finds his stroke.
He was the one that didn't need to be exposed to waivers by being sent down.
Quote from: Jockey on June 13, 2019, 05:18:45 PM
He was the one that didn't need to be exposed to waivers by being sent down.
I think Shaw still has an option.
When men were men...235 pitches by one pitcher in a game. Go Halos. #NolanRyan
https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-ryan-threw-235-pitches-in-one-game
Are men not men anymore? What happened?
Eloy is just murdering baseballs this month, good lord.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 14, 2019, 08:41:54 PM
Are men not men anymore? What happened?
Ask some of the ladies.....
Quote from: Cheeks on June 14, 2019, 09:38:52 PM
Ask some of the ladies.....
I did. They said men are still men and better than ever.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 14, 2019, 09:51:54 PM
I did. They said men are still men and better than ever.
Apparently the ladies that deal with Cheeks feel otherwise.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 13, 2019, 08:11:21 PM
I think Shaw still has an option.
He absolutely does.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 14, 2019, 06:48:35 PM
When men were men...235 pitches by one pitcher in a game. Go Halos. #NolanRyan
https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-ryan-threw-235-pitches-in-one-game
They mentioned this during the Red Sox game Friday night. Apparently Tiant threw at least 165 pitches (14 1/3 innings)so the starters combined to throw at least 400 pitches.
Quote from: CTWarrior on June 16, 2019, 06:39:06 AM
They mentioned this during the Red Sox game Friday night. Apparently Tiant threw at least 165 pitches (14 1/3 innings)so the starters combined to throw at least 400 pitches.
Correct.
Also, Ryan came back on his typical three day rest after the 235 pitches and won the next start.
Quote from: MUDish on June 14, 2019, 09:21:32 PM
Eloy is just murdering baseballs this month, good lord.
And having fun doing it. Love this core.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 15, 2019, 10:34:52 AM
Apparently the ladies that deal with Cheeks feel otherwise.
Married 20+ years. Doing just fine. Meanwhile I am supposed to be happy these days if my starting pitcher goes 6 innings every fifth day. Yikes
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 14, 2019, 08:41:54 PM
Are men not men anymore? What happened?
Chico longs for those wonderful days of yesteryear - when men were men - and sheep were nervous.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 14, 2019, 06:48:35 PM
When men were men...235 pitches by one pitcher in a game. Go Halos. #NolanRyan
https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-ryan-threw-235-pitches-in-one-game
When pitchers made less in a year than they make in one poor start today.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 16, 2019, 10:24:34 PM
Married 20+ years. Doing just fine. Meanwhile I am supposed to be happy these days if my starting pitcher goes 6 innings every fifth day. Yikes
You can derive happiness from whatever you want. Games change. It's neither good nor bad.
White Sox extending nets to the foul poles.
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/06/18/white-sox-to-extend-protective-netting-to-the-foul-poles/
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 16, 2019, 11:03:28 PM
Chico longs for those wonderful days of yesteryear - when men were men - and sheep were nervous.
I think it is different for everybody, but I think baseball was at its best for fans in the 70s and early 80s. Right mix of talent and strategy. All different types of players excelled as there were many ways to win ball games. You had speed guys like Omar Moreno or Bill North stealing 70+ bases, power guys hitting 40+ homers like Mike Schmidt, Jim Rice and George Foster, average guys hitting .330 or better like Rod Carew and George Brett, great defenders like Garry Maddox and Mark Belanger, great all around players like Joe Morgan, Bobby Bonds and Fred Lynn, Durable aces who threw hard (Ryan, Jenkins, Carlton) or soft (Wood, Niekro) and relief aces/firemen (not closers) who pitched multiple innings when the need was greatest regardless of inning like Fingers, Gossage and Quisenberry.
Today's game with so many walks, strikeouts and home runs with the proliferation of relief pitchers is probably strategically best, but it not nearly as interesting to watch, IMO.
Quote from: CTWarrior on June 18, 2019, 03:19:43 PM
I think it is different for everybody, but I think baseball was at its best for fans in the 70s and early 80s. Right mix of talent and strategy.
Well...OK ....but
1972 saw the first players strike...and a big drop off in fan popularity. In this time period....NFL rose while MLB fell off....so... to generate interest the AL adopted the DH rule, softball unis, and lots of fan gimmicks...think Disco Demolition Night
The 70s were the time of building many cookie cutter big concrete pad ballparks covered in AstroTurf...all of which were later roundly rejected
Free agency impacted rosters and lots of teams fell on hard times. A very few enjoyed success but many began to flounder as they learned the new system...the hard way. More player movement ...but fans deep connections with entire team rosters (think 50s 60s) was gone forever.
A's Reds, Royals, Pirates even Tigers prospered but not much since
You are in the pre steroid period...so athletic achievement/stats weren't tainted like the next decades
...but speed/coke was prevalent during your time window....so this time seemed to go by quickly...for all of us
Dan Epstein wrote on this period in "Big Hair and Plastic Grass: A Funky Ride through Baseball and America in the Swinging '70s." :
"Nobody hit .400 in a season, or won 30 or more games. Only one player -- George Foster in 1977 -- managed to hit more than 50 home runs in a season," ... "But in those categories that continue to defy statisticians -- weirdness, hairiness, overall funkiness, and sheer amusement -- the 1970s still tower over every other decade before or since."
Quote from: houwarrior on June 18, 2019, 05:15:35 PM
Dan Epstein wrote on this period in "Big Hair and Plastic Grass: A Funky Ride through Baseball and America in the Swinging '70s." :
"Nobody hit .400 in a season, or won 30 or more games. Only one player -- George Foster in 1977 -- managed to hit more than 50 home runs in a season," ... "But in those categories that continue to defy statisticians -- weirdness, hairiness, overall funkiness, and sheer amusement -- the 1970s still tower over every other decade before or since."
Fantastic book.
You somehow forgot to mention Fritz Peterson and Mike Kekich in your recollection of 70s baseball.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 18, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
White Sox extending nets to the foul poles.
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/06/18/white-sox-to-extend-protective-netting-to-the-foul-poles/
Foul balls ricocheting off of empty seats is very dangerous.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 18, 2019, 05:26:23 PM
Fantastic book.
You somehow forgot to mention Fritz Peterson and Mike Kekich in your recollection of 70s baseball.
lol ...one of MLB's most unique "trades" ever...
also...
Mark "the Bird" Fydrich,
Bill Spaceman Lee
Doc Ellis' no no on LSD,
Harvey's Wallbangers (...incl. 8balls w/Paul Molitor, Ben Ogilvy and Gorman Thomas...limitations has expired on such antics)
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 18, 2019, 05:45:26 PM
Foul balls ricocheting off of empty seats is very dangerous.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ebaumsworld.prod/uploads1557514373345-white-power-symbol-cubs-wrigley-field.jpg)
Quote from: houwarrior on June 18, 2019, 05:15:35 PM
Well...OK ....but
Dan Epstein wrote on this period in "Big Hair and Plastic Grass: A Funky Ride through Baseball and America in the Swinging '70s." :
"Nobody hit .400 in a season, or won 30 or more games. Only one player -- George Foster in 1977 -- managed to hit more than 50 home runs in a season," ... "But in those categories that continue to defy statisticians -- weirdness, hairiness, overall funkiness, and sheer amusement -- the 1970s still tower over every other decade before or since."
Was looking through my 70's baseball cards last week - lotta perms happenin' in the mid to late 70's.
Quote from: Jockey on June 18, 2019, 08:27:54 PM
Was looking through my 70's baseball cards last week - lotta perms happenin' in the mid to late 70's.
Oscar Gamble sticks in my head
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 18, 2019, 05:45:26 PM
Foul balls ricocheting off of empty seats is very dangerous.
Balls ricocheting all over the place.
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Not bad for a jam job broken bat pop up. Love Benetti's call of "Thanks Cubs"
Eloy 8-)
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on April 04, 2019, 09:01:16 PM
C: Sanchez
1B: Goldschmidt
2B: Albies
3B: Rendon
SS: Bregman
OF: Puig
OF: Castellanos
OF: Pollock
UTL: Segura
UTL: Encarnacion
SP: Scherzer
SP: Snell
SP: Mikolas
SP: Castillo
SP: Quintana
RP: Hicks
RP: Strop
RP: Barnes
Bench: Brantley (OF), Peraza (SS), Moustakas (3B), Moncada (2B)
The Cubs are look bad. So very, very bad.
However, my Fantasy team is solidly in 2nd place (out of 10), one week into the season. I know everyone was wondering. Goldschmidt had one very good game, Moncada is a monster, Albies and Rendon are good.
Goldschmidt sucks. Snell is sucking historically. Mikolas sucks. Pollock has been hurt forever. I missed out on a bunch of draft steals, like:
Josh Bell
The middle infield for the Diamondbacks (Ketel Marte and Eduardo Escobar both have over 50 RBI)
Pete Alonso
Hunter fucking Pence
Trey Mancini
Jorge Polanco
Tommy fucking LaStella
Tampa Bay/Montreal Devil Expos?
Quote from: MUDish on June 20, 2019, 12:45:57 PM
Tampa Bay/Montreal Devil Expos?
This is such a terrible idea ... and perhaps nothing more than a lame attempt to win leverage for a stadium deal.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 20, 2019, 12:52:35 PM
This is such a terrible idea ... and perhaps nothing more than a lame attempt to win leverage for a stadium deal.
The Expos leaving Montreal wasn't like the Sonics being snatched from Seattle. They had horrible attendance and there was little to no interest in the team by the city the last decade. They won a single division title 40 years ago. The only thing that the MLB misses from the Expos era is their awesome logo. Of all the places to propose bringing a team to partially, Montreal is such a terrible choice. LOL funny. The Alouettes have the lowest attendance in the CFL. Def a market fiending for another non-hockey team!
Quote from: JWags85 on June 20, 2019, 01:04:47 PM
The Expos leaving Montreal wasn't like the Sonics being snatched from Seattle. They had horrible attendance and there was little to no interest in the team by the city the last decade. They won a single division title 40 years ago. The only thing that the MLB misses from the Expos era is their awesome logo. Of all the places to propose bringing a team to partially, Montreal is such a terrible choice. LOL funny. The Alouettes have the lowest attendance in the CFL. Def a market fiending for another non-hockey team!
Yup, I want the Expos back just because their uniforms were awesome. And Vlad Guerrero was even more awesome.
Its too bad that the stadium/fanbase for that team is such a disaster. They have one of the most inventive and creative front offices and management teams the game has ever seen, and it largely goes to waste. Think about how much fun the 2019 Rays would be if they were the Portland Weirdos or the Omaha Insurers, drawing 22,500 per game and punching above their weight as a small market team.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 20, 2019, 01:04:47 PM
The Expos leaving Montreal wasn't like the Sonics being snatched from Seattle. They had horrible attendance and there was little to no interest in the team by the city the last decade. They won a single division title 40 years ago. The only thing that the MLB misses from the Expos era is their awesome logo. Of all the places to propose bringing a team to partially, Montreal is such a terrible choice. LOL funny. The Alouettes have the lowest attendance in the CFL. Def a market fiending for another non-hockey team!
The strike killed baseball in Montreal. All was fine and the Quebecois never came back after the strike.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 20, 2019, 01:50:58 PM
The strike killed baseball in Montreal. All was fine and the Quebecois never came back after the strike.
It didn't help, but attendance was fine by Expo standards the first few years after the strike.
It was when the team started to suck - they won an average 73 games per season in the 10 seasons post-strike - and the stadium began to fall apart that fans stopped coming.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 20, 2019, 01:16:16 PM
Its too bad that the stadium/fanbase for that team is such a disaster. They have one of the most inventive and creative front offices and management teams the game has ever seen, and it largely goes to waste. Think about how much fun the 2019 Rays would be if they were the Portland Weirdos or the Omaha Insurers, drawing 22,500 per game and punching above their weight as a small market team.
I do wish we had a pro team here. I've never gotten into the AAA team here, maybe would if they were the Brewers affiliate.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 20, 2019, 01:04:47 PM
The Expos leaving Montreal wasn't like the Sonics being snatched from Seattle. They had horrible attendance and there was little to no interest in the team by the city the last decade. They won a single division title 40 years ago. The only thing that the MLB misses from the Expos era is their awesome logo. Of all the places to propose bringing a team to partially, Montreal is such a terrible choice. LOL funny. The Alouettes have the lowest attendance in the CFL. Def a market fiending for another non-hockey team!
I really don't know where a team should be placed though. If they had a stadium available, Charlotte might be the best location.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 20, 2019, 03:17:09 PM
I really don't know where a team should be placed though. If they had a stadium available, Charlotte might be the best location.
Charlotte, Nashville, and Indianapolis would all make sense, if a stadium was available. They are all amongst the highest attendance in the minors, and 2 of 3 play in the right time zone, though Nashville is still far enough East to work. Columbus also draws really well but that would never happen with Cleveland and Cincy
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 20, 2019, 01:50:58 PM
The strike killed baseball in Montreal. All was fine and the Quebecois never came back after the strike.
correct. They were 74-40 when the strike ended the season and averaging over 24K per game. After the strike, their best players were all dealt and payroll was slashed significantly. Then Selig and Loria conspired to kill off the Expos and move them to DC and the fan base had enough. Plus, Olympic Stadium was a dump outside of downtown.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 20, 2019, 04:50:32 PM
Charlotte, Nashville, and Indianapolis would all make sense, if a stadium was available. They are all amongst the highest attendance in the minors, and 2 of 3 play in the right time zone, though Nashville is still far enough East to work. Columbus also draws really well but that would never happen with Cleveland and Cincy
Portland or Las Vegas
Quote from: JWags85 on June 20, 2019, 04:50:32 PM
Columbus also draws really well but that would never happen with Cleveland and Cincy
They would draw really well in a 10,000 seat stadium.
Quote from: Jockey on June 21, 2019, 09:49:48 AM
They would draw really well in a 10,000 seat stadium.
I'm not sure your point. Obviously its not an MLB stadium. Just pointing out the AAA markets/teams that draw well relatively for that level.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 21, 2019, 02:21:33 PM
I'm not sure your point. Obviously its not an MLB stadium. Just pointing out the AAA markets/teams that draw well relatively for that level.
My apologies. I thought you were recommending Columbus as Avis last alternative.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 21, 2019, 09:26:25 AM
Portland or Las Vegas
Portland lost their AAA team though and Vegas...well I don't know...that might work.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 20, 2019, 04:50:32 PM
Charlotte, Nashville, and Indianapolis would all make sense, if a stadium was available.
Good thoughts.
But any location is going to need a team first before a stadium would be built right? At least with an indoor arena, it can be used for other things.
MLB has a chance to align things up properly for once, between moving the Rays and then adding two teams.
My thought has always been to get rid of the leagues, go full DH, go to a 148 game schedule, and line up this way. 8 division winners go to the playoffs. I'd have the other 24 teams play a single elimination tournament to determine draft order to curtail tanking.
My divisions are to cut down on as much travel as possible. You'd play each team in your division 12 times (6 home/6 away), and you'd play every other team in the league 2 home/2 road, so there'd be a balanced schedule.
Seattle
Portland (Expansion)
San Fran
Oakland
LAD
LAA
SD
AZ
Col
Tex
Hou
KC (Royals are tough to slot, ideally they'd be with St. Louis, but not happening)
Mil
CHC
CWS
St.L
Tor
Montreal (Rays move)
Minny
Det
NYY
NYM
Bos
Phi
Pit
Cincy
Clev
Nashville (Expansion)
Atl
Miami
Balt
Wash
Baseball is a regional sport now anyway, they should embrace it.
Quote from: MUDish on June 21, 2019, 03:42:56 PM
MLB has a chance to align things up properly for once, between moving the Rays and then adding two teams.
My thought has always been to get rid of the leagues, go full DH, go to a 148 game schedule, and line up this way. 8 division winners go to the playoffs. I'd have the other 24 teams play a single elimination tournament to determine draft order to curtail tanking.
My divisions are to cut down on as much travel as possible. You'd play each team in your division 12 times (6 home/6 away), and you'd play every other team in the league 2 home/2 road, so there'd be a balanced schedule.
Seattle
Portland (Expansion)
San Fran
Oakland
LAD
LAA
SD
AZ
Col
Tex
Hou
KC (Royals are tough to slot, ideally they'd be with St. Louis, but not happening)
Mil
CHC
CWS
St.L
Tor
Montreal (Rays move)
Minny
Det
NYY
NYM
Bos
Phi
Pit
Cincy
Clev
Nashville (Expansion)
Atl
Miami
Balt
Wash
Baseball is a regional sport now anyway, they should embrace it.
This is a beaut, Clark.
Quote from: MUDish on June 21, 2019, 03:42:56 PM
Col
Tex
Hou
KC (Royals are tough to slot, ideally they'd be with St. Louis, but not happening)
I grew up a Royals fan in pre-Rockies Colorado. So this makes perfect sense to me.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 21, 2019, 05:08:29 PM
I grew up a Royals fan in pre-Rockies Colorado. So this makes perfect sense to me.
Didn't realize baseball was around 10,000,000 years ago.
Nice salute by Cardinals fans to Pujols today. Classy. Very cool. Well done St. Louis.
https://twitter.com/Starting9/status/1142230266964037633
Quote from: Cheeks on June 21, 2019, 08:54:30 PM
Nice salute by Cardinals fans to Pujols today. Classy. Very cool. Well done St. Louis.
https://twitter.com/Starting9/status/1142230266964037633
Glad to see it. Great guy, at one time a great player. Hard to watch the last few years. Negative 1.2 WAR the last 3 years (among the worst regulars in MLB - and he still has 2 years left on his contract!).
Maybe the St Louis fans were cheering the brain dead Angel's front office.
If I recall, Cardinals were willing to do a 7 year deal and he wanted 10. The injuries have killed him for sure. Thank God he is an outstanding person with his foundation, etc, as that has bought him a lot of equity locally. Decision was 100% on our owner, the GM at the time did not want to do that length. Our owner also did the deal for Josh Hamilton. Painful.
So how's the new Brewers' pitching coach working out?
Pujols just went yard....Cardinals fans giving him a curtain call. Can't recall that happening at a visiting park. Pretty cool.
The pitching depth the brewers thought they have is looking pretty shallow.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 22, 2019, 03:26:07 PM
So how's the new Brewers' pitching coach working out?
Does the coach even matter with a rotation like that?
Quote from: Cheeks on June 22, 2019, 03:39:59 PM
Pujols just went yard....Cardinals fans giving him a curtain call. Can't recall that happening at a visiting park. Pretty cool.
This reminds me how much I wish they would remove people like Bonds, Arod, and others from the all time HR list.
Takes away from players like Pujols and Griffey Jr, from the same eras, that didn't cheat.
Quote from: forgetful on June 22, 2019, 08:51:11 PM
This reminds me how much I wish they would remove people like Bonds, Arod, and others from the all time HR list.
Takes away from players like Pujols and Griffey Jr, from the same eras, that didn't cheat.
What makes you so sure about Pujols? When Jack Clark was hitting coach for the Dodgers he claims Albert's personal trainer admitted to shooting him up.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 22, 2019, 10:02:03 PM
What makes you so sure about Pujols? When Jack Clark was hitting coach for the Dodgers he claims Albert's personal trainer admitted to shooting him up.
Uhm, you may want to update that
Pujols immediately disputed and filed a defamation lawsuit. Saying he would gladly be the player that stands up to those smears. Clark eventually apologized after being fired for his remarks.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/jack-clark-apologizes-pujols-will-drop-lawsuit/article_2ee9e673-15d4-58da-bf4e-e16c1fc3da75.html
But I think Lenny's point is a good one. Removing people from the record books is a way to white-wash history and a slippery slope. Especially since with no testing plan in place, we don't have a solid idea who was using what throughout the history of the game. It's a bid to baseball's romantic past, which is dead and buried.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 23, 2019, 06:27:29 AM
But I think Lenny's point is a good one. Removing people from the record books is a way to white-wash history and a slippery slope. Especially since with no testing plan in place, we don't have a solid idea who was using what throughout the history of the game. It's a bid to baseball's romantic past, which is dead and buried.
That part I agree with, which is why the * is needed, but I think he was off base on Clark's comments since he fully retracted them.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 22, 2019, 11:46:14 PM
Uhm, you may want to update that
Pujols immediately disputed and filed a defamation lawsuit. Saying he would gladly be the player that stands up to those smears. Clark eventually apologized after being fired for his remarks.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/jack-clark-apologizes-pujols-will-drop-lawsuit/article_2ee9e673-15d4-58da-bf4e-e16c1fc3da75.html
Thanks for pointing this out - I was unaware (or had forgotten - old age is a curse) re Clark's retraction. That said, there was always a lot of speculation about Albert.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 23, 2019, 09:51:12 AM
Thanks for pointing this out - I was unaware (or had forgotten - old age is a curse) re Clark's retraction. That said, there was always a lot of speculation about Albert.
By some, but usually by Cubs fans or those that he crushed. Point is, he was on a slide even at the end of the Cardinals while guys that did use rebounded with crazy peaks when they shouldn't have.
Pujols decline from an age curve is consistent with the decline of many other players. Injuries to his legs have killed him, and who knows what his real age is (an issue with many Dominican players).
Isn't there some speculation he is older than what he says? It would match his career trajectory too.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 23, 2019, 02:04:01 PM
Isn't there some speculation he is older than what he says? It would match his career trajectory too.
Yup...2 years older. One of the blogs I follow did a fan graphs comparison of his slide to other elite players by age if he was, in fact, 2 years older. The comparisons were very striking. Add the injuries he has had and it takes a toll.
Quote from: MUDish on June 21, 2019, 03:42:56 PM
MLB has a chance to align things up properly for once, between moving the Rays and then adding two teams.
My thought has always been to get rid of the leagues, go full DH, go to a 148 game schedule, and line up this way. 8 division winners go to the playoffs. I'd have the other 24 teams play a single elimination tournament to determine draft order to curtail tanking.
My divisions are to cut down on as much travel as possible. You'd play each team in your division 12 times (6 home/6 away), and you'd play every other team in the league 2 home/2 road, so there'd be a balanced schedule.
Seattle
Portland (Expansion)
San Fran
Oakland
LAD
LAA
SD
AZ
Col
Tex
Hou
KC (Royals are tough to slot, ideally they'd be with St. Louis, but not happening)
Mil
CHC
CWS
St.L
Tor
Montreal (Rays move)
Minny
Det
NYY
NYM
Bos
Phi
Pit
Cincy
Clev
Nashville (Expansion)
Atl
Miami
Balt
Wash
Baseball is a regional sport now anyway, they should embrace it.
I doubt they would put same market teams in the same divisions. But it's not too hard to fix.
Swap Angels and Giants (that also keeps the LAD-SF rivalry intact.
Swap White Sox and Twins (it has to be the Sox, because they would never separate St Lou and ChC)
Swap Mets and either Orioles or Nationals. This kills two birds (New York and DC metro) with one stone.
It gets a little trickier if they want to split the Canadian teams too.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on June 23, 2019, 05:30:28 PM
I doubt they would put same market teams in the same divisions. But it's not too hard to fix.
Swap Angels and Giants (that also keeps the LAD-SF rivalry intact.
Swap White Sox and Twins (it has to be the Sox, because they would never separate St Lou and ChC)
Swap Mets and either Orioles or Nationals. This kills two birds (New York and DC metro) with one stone.
It gets a little trickier if they want to split the Canadian teams too.
Dish already separated the reds and pirates, from st L and chc as well as keeping the dh. Might as well go the full way and seperatr them.
I know my division idea was hypothetical, but Reinsdorf is arguably at the top of most influential/powerful MLB owners, and there would be zero chance he'd wind up in a division with Detroit/Montreal/Toronto.
Quote from: MUDish on June 23, 2019, 07:45:18 PM
I know my division idea was hypothetical, but Reinsdorf is arguably at the top of most influential/powerful MLB owners, and there would be zero chance he'd wind up in a division with Detroit/Montreal/Toronto.
Better ship the brewers, then they can whine even more about being a "small market"
Mets manager and player go ballistic in verbally abusing a newspaper beat writer, with the player physically threatening him.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27039859/mets-skipper-curses-pitcher-charges-reporter
Totally classless by these losers.
Thankfully, team officials apologized profusely, as they should have. The player who made the threats should be suspended.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 22, 2019, 10:05:48 AM
If I recall, Cardinals were willing to do a 7 year deal and he wanted 10. The injuries have killed him for sure. Thank God he is an outstanding person with his foundation, etc, as that has bought him a lot of equity locally. Decision was 100% on our owner, the GM at the time did not want to do that length. Our owner also did the deal for Josh Hamilton. Painful.
As a Cardinal fan, my only thought is, "who knows." Had he stayed within the Cardinal system and not had to learn a whole new league full of pitchers, maybe his production would have remained strong for several more years.
The Cardinals were about $50 million less than the Anaheim Angels. When it became apparent the Cardinals were not going to match Moneybags Moreno, Mr. Pujols' wife felt Mr. Pujols was disrespected. That comment set a lot of Cardinal fans off.
Sad thing is that Pujols is a nobody in Anaheim, or neighboring Los Angeles. Had he stayed in St. Louis, he would have sat beside Stan Musial as the greatest Cardinal ever. Being as that St. Louis is a baseball town, he would be revered for all time. Like Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Musial, Slaughter, Dean, Hornsby, Schoendiest.
Albert, thanks for the memories!
I'll always remember Albert as the guy who called others out for watching home runs despite being one of the worst offenders. One of the few with the unwritten rule book in his possession.
Hearing Anderson's injury is a torn Achilles.
And I got bad info, as apparently it's a high ankle sprain.
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 23, 2019, 10:54:09 PM
As a Cardinal fan, my only thought is, "who knows." Had he stayed within the Cardinal system and not had to learn a whole new league full of pitchers, maybe his production would have remained strong for several more years.
The Cardinals were about $50 million less than the Anaheim Angels. When it became apparent the Cardinals were not going to match Moneybags Moreno, Mr. Pujols' wife felt Mr. Pujols was disrespected. That comment set a lot of Cardinal fans off.
Sad thing is that Pujols is a nobody in Anaheim, or neighboring Los Angeles. Had he stayed in St. Louis, he would have sat beside Stan Musial as the greatest Cardinal ever. Being as that St. Louis is a baseball town, he would be revered for all time. Like Ozzie, Brock, Gibson, Musial, Slaughter, Dean, Hornsby, Schoendiest.
Albert, thanks for the memories!
Somebody thought it was a huge deal, so classy when Cardinal fans gave all time great Albert a standing O. Tonight they gave one to Stephen Piscotty - that's right, Stephen f'in Piscotty. When Toronto comes in I wonder what they'll do for Randall Grichuk. Must be an awesome place to play.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2019, 10:33:05 PM
Somebody thought it was a huge deal, so classy when Cardinal fans gave all time great Albert a standing O. Tonight they gave one to Stephen Piscotty - that's right, Stephen f'in Piscotty. When Toronto comes in I wonder what they'll do for Randall Grichuk. Must be an awesome place to play.
The Piscotty thing is real cool all around. He got dealt primarily so he could be closer to his mother as she battled ALS, so its great that everyone has retained such goodwill through the whole thing - especially since Piscotty had some real on-field struggles as he juggled dealing with his mom's condition.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2019, 10:33:05 PM
Somebody thought it was a huge deal, so classy when Cardinal fans gave all time great Albert a standing O. Tonight they gave one to Stephen Piscotty - that's right, Stephen f'in Piscotty. When Toronto comes in I wonder what they'll do for Randall Grichuk. Must be an awesome place to play.
My guess is that you didn't know the story referred to in the post above? I love that they gave Piscotty the standing O, and Pujols.
Someone take this Brewers team out back and shoot it.
They are like 3 or 4 capable starting pitchers away.
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 26, 2019, 07:29:42 PM
Someone take this Brewers team out back and shoot it.
They are like 3 or 4 capable starting pitchers away.
They've needed starting pitching for 2 years, and have stubbornly refused to address it.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 26, 2019, 02:50:59 PM
The Piscotty thing is real cool all around. He got dealt primarily so he could be closer to his mother as she battled ALS, so its great that everyone has retained such goodwill through the whole thing - especially since Piscotty had some real on-field struggles as he juggled dealing with his mom's condition.
Had no idea - apologies and kudos to Redbird fans everywhere!
Quote from: buckchuckler on June 26, 2019, 08:06:52 PM
They've needed starting pitching for 2 years, and have stubbornly refused to address it.
Starting pitching was not an issue at all last year. No idea why the let Miley walk this offseason and probably should've simply resigned Gonzalez from the start as well.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2019, 10:33:05 PM
Somebody thought it was a huge deal, so classy when Cardinal fans gave all time great Albert a standing O. Tonight they gave one to Stephen Piscotty - that's right, Stephen f'in Piscotty. When Toronto comes in I wonder what they'll do for Randall Grichuk. Must be an awesome place to play.
ALS is the reason!!!
The recent incident at Minute Maid when a foul ball during a Cubs game here struck a two year old girl sitting in her grandparents lap will be very costly for those liable.
The family has retained Richard Mithoff a well respected and very professional PI atty (he is one of three I would refer a case like this to...a fine atty) , who has noted:
..."Mithoff said the child suffered subdural bleeding, edema and brain contusions from the impact of the Almora foul ball.
"She is doing relatively well, but she has had seizure and the abnormal EEG, and so it's going to be a matter of time" Mithoff said. "It's too early to tell what kind of residual (damage) there may be, but any time there is a fractured skull and bleeding of the brain involved, it's a serious matter...."
Here is the Chron story link:
https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-Cubs-foul-ball-hit-child-update-attorney-14052465.php
Quote from: wadesworld on June 26, 2019, 08:18:10 PM
Starting pitching was not an issue at all last year. No idea why the let Miley walk this offseason and probably should've simply resigned Gonzalez from the start as well.
The were in the lower third in quality starts last year. The bullpen covered a lot of problems.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on June 27, 2019, 12:43:00 AM
The were in the lower third in quality starts last year. The bullpen covered a lot of problems.
Given that Counsell's philosophy was to very rarely let any of his pitchers go through the batting order a third time of course the quality starts were low as they weren't given the opportunity to make it through the sixth inning. In my opinion quality starts is a dumb stat. I'd rather have my starter go 5 and give up 1 run (1.80 ERA) than go 6 and give up 3 runs (4.50 ERA). But the starters were very good for what they needed last year. This year the Brewers have 2 MLB level pitchers on their entire staff (including the pen).
Quote from: houwarrior on June 27, 2019, 12:28:42 AM
The recent incident at Minute Maid when a foul ball during a Cubs game here struck a two year old girl sitting in her grandparents lap will be very costly for those liable.
The family has retained Richard Mithoff a well respected and very professional PI atty (he is one of three I would refer a case like this to...a fine atty) , who has noted:
..."Mithoff said the child suffered subdural bleeding, edema and brain contusions from the impact of the Almora foul ball.
"She is doing relatively well, but she has had seizure and the abnormal EEG, and so it's going to be a matter of time" Mithoff said. "It's too early to tell what kind of residual (damage) there may be, but any time there is a fractured skull and bleeding of the brain involved, it's a serious matter...."
Here is the Chron story link:
https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-Cubs-foul-ball-hit-child-update-attorney-14052465.php
Several teams already have voluntarily extended the netting to the foul pole since this incident.
It's a no-brainer move, relatively cheap insurance. And it might save a life or two.
Of course, last night the Brewers problem wasn't pitching but offense. I don't think over ever seen a team hit so many solo home runs.
They need to either play Shaw and Aguilar to get them out of their slumps, or they need to bring up Hiura. Last night's lineup had Perez, Pina, Gamel, and Arcia...a real murderers row.
Quote from: Cheeks on June 26, 2019, 10:21:16 PM
ALS is the reason!!!
Acknowledged and apologized for hours before your post.
Well, my Yankees just keep winning and winning.
Off to London.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 27, 2019, 08:03:49 AM
Acknowledged and apologized for hours before your post.
Saw that later, thank you. Right thing to do.
Huira and Saladino coming up, Shaw and Perez headed down. Brewers playing bad lately, need a spark and Shaw isn't getting it done.
Cookie Monster singing the stretch at Wrigley was awesome.
Quote from: MUDish on June 27, 2019, 08:47:25 PM
Cookie Monster singing the stretch at Wrigley was awesome.
C is for cubbies
Quote from: MUDish on June 27, 2019, 08:47:25 PM
Cookie Monster singing the stretch at Wrigley was awesome.
That's cool. They catered to their type of fan.
Quote from: Jockey on June 27, 2019, 09:33:33 PM
That's cool. They catered to their type of fan.
Do you hate the cookie monster sir?
Quote from: #UnleashCain on June 27, 2019, 10:00:31 PM
Do you hate the cookie monster sir?
.
Of course not, my good man. He does a great job of keeping cubbie fans entertained when they're not at Wrigley. He also teaches them many important things.
Quote from: MUDish on June 27, 2019, 08:47:25 PM
Cookie Monster singing the stretch at Wrigley was awesome.
Shoutout to CM sticking to the bit and using improper grammar for the song.
"Me not care if me ever get back."
Quote from: #UnleashCain on June 27, 2019, 10:00:31 PM
Do you hate the cookie monster sir?
He's a juicer, hey?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 29, 2019, 05:53:18 PM
Ask Wades...
NM
My bad reading comprehension. I always thought the Count was juiced - never thought about it with Cookie.
He could help cubbie fans count high enough to get to Darish's ERA or Chatwood's walks per 9 ip.
Quote from: Jockey on June 29, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
NM
My bad reading comprehension. I always thought the Count was juiced - never thought about it with Cookie.
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Heartbroken
Second Angels starting pitcher to die in the last ten years. Tyler Skaggs pitched Saturday. 27 years old.
RIP
Kimbrel with his first blown save as a Cub.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27116046/cubs-affiliate-apologizes-mocking-kaepernick
always great when we can have a "lighthearted take" on the issue of racism.
love the cubs.
Quote from: WithoutBias on July 03, 2019, 10:33:42 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27116046/cubs-affiliate-apologizes-mocking-kaepernick
always great when we can have a "lighthearted take" on the issue of racism.
love the cubs.
Not sure how you can blame the Cubs for this.
They aren't going to the playoffs, and they've sucked for years, but man this 2019 Sox team is damn fun to watch and cheer for.
Yelich out of the Home Run Derby with back issues. As a PMT fan, I'm very disappointed.
Anybody see Yadi defending Lucroy on social media, cussing out anyone and everyone arguing that he was hurt on just a good ole aggressive baseball play? Kind of cool to see the catcher solidarity (and he's definitely right).
No doubt a dirty slide. Under the new rules you can only take out the catcher if he is blocking the plate. Lucroy gave him a path the entire play.
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Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 08, 2019, 11:00:55 AM
No doubt a dirty slide. Under the new rules you can only take out the catcher if he is blocking the plate. Lucroy gave him a path the entire play.
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An MLB would have been ejected for that hit in the NFL.
You can actually see that runner veer to the left with a clear path straight ahead. I assume there will be a suspension.
What a snowflake.
Remember when this happened all the time when men were men?
Next you'll tell me we should have nets to protect fans.
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 08, 2019, 12:00:17 PM
What a snowflake.
Remember when this happened all the time when men were men?
Next you'll tell me we should have nets to protect fans.
In the good old days guys didn't go out of their way to barrel into the catcher, because they didn't have to. He was always right there blocking the plate.
Live at full speed this play doesn't look so dirty, but watching him pivot in slo mo to drill the catcher when his best path to being safe was a head first away from the catcher, it looks pretty bad. I would expect a suspension for a few games.
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 08, 2019, 12:00:17 PM
What a snowflake.
Remember when this happened all the time when men were men?
Next you'll tell me we should have nets to protect fans.
I guy can't even adjust his cup nowadays after a hit like that.
Sox chicks run for the hills at the first sign of trouble. Cubs chicks stay on to take on security.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/BzqdrPCgsqW/?igshid=xy4lvf484dnr
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on July 08, 2019, 01:01:37 PM
Sox chicks run for the hills at the first sign of trouble. Cubs chicks stay on to take on security.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/BzqdrPCgsqW/?igshid=xy4lvf484dnr
That's a pretty big lawsuit if that random guy handcuffing her ends up breaking her arm eh?
Quote from: #UnleashCain on July 08, 2019, 01:05:35 PM
That's a pretty big lawsuit if that random guy handcuffing her ends up breaking her arm eh?
Pretty sure the random guy is an undercover cop.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 07, 2019, 03:24:20 PM
Yelich out of the Home Run Derby with back issues. As a PMT fan, I'm very disappointed.
Its ok, now he just has to hit 2 HRs in the ASG and Hank will buy a cat!
But interesting he is playing in the game if his back is that bad...
Quote from: robmufan on July 08, 2019, 01:24:20 PM
Its ok, now he just has to hit 2 HRs in the ASG and Hank will buy a cat!
But interesting he is playing in the game if his back is that bad...
I'm not too upset about it. Trying to get as many swings in 4 minutes and hit homers sounds like it could be a strain on the back. Much more so than playing a few innings in the All Star game.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 08, 2019, 01:44:55 PM
I'm not too upset about it. Trying to get as many swings in 4 minutes and hit homers sounds like it could be a strain on the back. Much more so than playing a few innings in the All Star game.
That's kinda what is being stated. I think if he feels 'good enough', he'll respect the game and play a few innings with maybe 2 ABs.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on July 08, 2019, 01:01:37 PM
Sox chicks run for the hills at the first sign of trouble. Cubs chicks stay on to take on security.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/BzqdrPCgsqW/?igshid=xy4lvf484dnr
video shot by another dummy not smart enough to shoot in landscape
Quote from: robmufan on July 08, 2019, 01:24:20 PM
Its ok, now he just has to hit 2 HRs in the ASG and Hank will buy a cat!
But interesting he is playing in the game if his back is that bad...
Not very surprising. It's the difference between a couple of swings in a game and dozens of swinging for the fences.
All of it is an exhibition, though. He definitely should skip the HR contest (as he is), and if there's any bit of worry at all, he should skip the ASG.
At the end of the season, everybody associated with the Brewers, including the fans, will care a hell of a lot more about how his health was over the last 2 1/2 months than about whether he played in a meaningless exhibition.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 08, 2019, 11:00:55 AM
No doubt a dirty slide. Under the new rules you can only take out the catcher if he is blocking the plate. Lucroy gave him a path the entire play.
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Been a tough tough week for my Halos.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on July 08, 2019, 01:12:48 PM
Pretty sure the random guy is an undercover cop.
Maybe off duty. I don't think the Sox or anyone employs undercover cops for security.
Like so many others, I was captivated by Vlad Jr. last night. I wanted to check his stats on ESPN.com. The first thing I noticed is that they have him listed at 6'1" and 200 lbs. Not even close. I see that the Blue Jays official roster has him listed at 6'2" and 250. I'd say that's significantly closer.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on July 09, 2019, 01:54:42 PM
Like so many others, I was captivated by Vlad Jr. last night. I wanted to check his stats on ESPN.com. The first thing I noticed is that they have him listed at 6'1" and 200 lbs. Not even close. I see that the Blue Jays official roster has him listed at 6'2" and 250. I'd say that's significantly closer.
Probably belongs in the 'Things I don't get" thread, but I really don't get the Home Run Derby.
Quote from: CTWarrior on July 10, 2019, 11:28:55 AM
Probably belongs in the 'Things I don't get" thread, but I really don't get the Home Run Derby.
Ditto.
If I were a kid, I think I'd like it. Otherwise ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Haven't watched it for years.
Home run derby last two years has been awesome. MLB does a poor job of showcasing their individual superstars, and no other event does it better than the derby. If anything, they haven't gone far enough to spice up the derby. They should have targets, a round with aluminum bats, probably some other things.
That Vlad/Pederson round was awesome tv, totally captivating.
Quote from: MUDish on July 10, 2019, 02:03:53 PM
Home run derby last two years has been awesome. MLB does a poor job of showcasing their individual superstars, and no other event does it better than the derby. If anything, they haven't gone far enough to spice up the derby. They should have targets, a round with aluminum bats, probably some other things.
That Vlad/Pederson round was awesome tv, totally captivating.
I agree completely. They've improved it significantly over the last couple years, and I'd love to see additional changes. It'd be interesting to see what these guys would do with aluminum bats. I'm torn about the "head to head" format. On the one hand, the immediacy of the competition is compelling. On the other hand, it creates issues both when someone has an extremely difficult opponent and/or an easy opponent.
Quote from: MU82 on July 10, 2019, 01:46:10 PM
Haven't watched it for years.
The new format is so radically different, it's not even the same contest.
I love the
new derby. My kids and I were captivated by the entire show.
I do think they should shorten the rounds a little bit just for the players' sake. But the whole All Star weekend is awesome. I don't follow hockey so I can't speak to their AS Game/weekend, but of basketball/football/baseball, baseball does it by far the most right.
The Freeman mic'd at bat last night was hilarious.
Quote from: MUDish on July 10, 2019, 02:03:53 PM
Home run derby last two years has been awesome. MLB does a poor job of showcasing their individual superstars, and no other event does it better than the derby. If anything, they haven't gone far enough to spice up the derby. They should have targets, a round with aluminum bats, probably some other things.
That Vlad/Pederson round was awesome tv, totally captivating.
MLB does a poor job of showcasing their individual super-stars because the game has become completely regionalized. I've watched dozens of Brewer games this year. I don't think I have watched a single non-Brewer game this year.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 10, 2019, 02:57:03 PM
MLB does a poor job of showcasing their individual super-stars because the game has become completely regionalized. I've watched dozens of Brewer games this year. I don't think I have watched a single non-Brewer game this year.
For sure, it's definitely a regional sport. MLB does nothing to fix it either, from the absurd blackout rule, poorly marketing it's players, letting the RSN's become huge power players.
While watching the derby, I tweeted at Keith Law an idea for a Red Zone-esque version for MLB, I called it "Superstar At Bat". He retweeted it, and it got a pretty overwhelming response on Twitter of people being in favor of it. Basically my idea was I'd sign up for a service where if Vlad is in the on deck circle, my phone sends me a notification that Vlad is on deck, do I want to watch a live stream of his at bat. I set up my subscription where I pick whatever players (as an example, Vlad/Trout/Acuna/Alonso) and I can watch their at bats live (or 5 second delay). I can basically customize the players I want to see, and after their at bat, the feed cuts out.
I'm not going to watch a Blue Jays/Royals game anytime soon, but if I had the option to watch a minute of Vlad batting, I'd sign up for that. Especially for a season long or daily fantasy player, it'd be a boon.
Someone tweeted at me that something like this kind of exists in the black market, but I think if MLB took me up on my idea, they'd make some great coin. MLB isn't that forward thinking, so they'll never do it.
Quote from: MU82 on July 10, 2019, 01:46:10 PM
Haven't watched it for years.
If you haven't watched the homerun derby in years you should try it again. The new format has completely changed the event for the better.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 10, 2019, 02:57:03 PM
MLB does a poor job of showcasing their individual super-stars because the game has become completely regionalized. I've watched dozens of Brewer games this year. I don't think I have watched a single non-Brewer game this year.
Why would you? I think what you are saying is true of even the most die hard fans. When I was a kid living in CT, there were probably a third of the Yankees games on a year on WPIX 11 and a third of the Mets games on WWOR 9. As a Red Sox fan, the only time I got to see them was if they were playing the Yankees in one of those televised games or if they were on the game of the week, maybe 15 times a year if I was lucky. So I used to watch the game of the week to see some baseball if I was home.
Now I can watch all 162 Red Sox games if I want, so I have more than my fill of baseball just from that.
Quote from: CTWarrior on July 10, 2019, 05:04:17 PM
Why would you? I think what you are saying is true of even the most die hard fans. When I was a kid living in CT, there were probably a third of the Yankees games on a year on WPIX 11 and a third of the Mets games on WWOR 9. As a Red Sox fan, the only time I got to see them was if they were playing the Yankees in one of those televised games or if they were on the game of the week, maybe 15 times a year if I was lucky. So I used to watch the game of the week to see some baseball if I was home.
Now I can watch all 162 Red Sox games if I want, so I have more than my fill of baseball just from that.
Exactly. And those national games would let me see prominent players I wouldn't see otherwise. Not to mention that I watched This Week in Baseball religiously back then.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on July 10, 2019, 02:52:25 PM
The new format is so radically different, it's not even the same contest.
I love the new derby. My kids and I were captivated by the entire show.
I do like to keep an open mind, so if I'm available I'll check it out next year.
Thanks for the input.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 10, 2019, 03:48:18 PM
If you haven't watched the homerun derby in years you should try it again. The new format has completely changed the event for the better.
In addition to the changes to the contest itself, I love that we had two guys with $555k contracts slugging it out for a $1 million prize. Alonso's prize on Monday night was nearly twice as much as his salary for the year. And Guerrero won $600k ($500k for second and $100k for the longest bomb of the night).
Quote from: MU82 on July 10, 2019, 01:46:10 PM
Ditto.
If I were a kid, I think I'd like it. Otherwise ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Haven't watched it for years.
Not surprised, there are bimbo sideline reporters in skirts.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on July 10, 2019, 09:40:25 PM
Not surprised, there are bimbo sideline reporters in skirts.
Oooh ... that really hurts.
The bimbos.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on July 10, 2019, 05:37:53 PM
In addition to the changes to the contest itself, I love that we had two guys with $555k contracts slugging it out for a $1 million prize. Alonso's prize on Monday night was nearly twice as much as his salary for the year. And Guerrero won $600k ($500k for second and $100k for the longest bomb of the night).
Because of this, one change I would make would be to get rid of or enforce the rule that says you must wait until the previous ball hits the ground.
No one cared when Harper went rapid fire on Schwarber last year to win as nothing was on the line, but he if did that with a $1 million prize that could cause problems.
I like what MLB is experimenting with in the Atlantic League. RoboUmp decided balls/strikes last night. Bigger bases I think helps prevent some injuries, and stealing first base is a really interesting idea. Stealing first would greatly impact value of guys like Billy Hamilton, and how speed guys are pitched to. The four strike bunt rule is stupid though.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 11, 2019, 08:30:18 AM
Because of this, one change I would make would be to get rid of or enforce the rule that says you must wait until the previous ball hits the ground.
No one cared when Harper went rapid fire on Schwarber last year to win as nothing was on the line, but he if did that with a $1 million prize that could cause problems.
Yeah, I noticed a lot of issues with this rule this year. It was pretty widely ignored...first by Vlad, but then by everyone. There were definitely times when Pederson had two HR balls in the air at once. I think they should just scrap the rule. That way they don't even have to worry about anyone making a judgment call.
Quote from: MUDish on July 11, 2019, 12:01:16 PM
I like what MLB is experimenting with in the Atlantic League. RoboUmp decided balls/strikes last night. Bigger bases I think helps prevent some injuries, and stealing first base is a really interesting idea. Stealing first would greatly impact value of guys like Billy Hamilton, and how speed guys are pitched to. The four strike bunt rule is stupid though.
I'm guessing Billy wouldn't see a lot of breaking balls in the dirt.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on July 11, 2019, 12:56:05 PM
Yeah, I noticed a lot of issues with this rule this year. It was pretty widely ignored...first by Vlad, but then by everyone. There were definitely times when Pederson had HR balls in the air at once. I think they should just scrap the rule. That way they don't even have to worry about anyone making a judgment call.
Agreed.
Quote from: MUDish on July 11, 2019, 12:01:16 PM
I like what MLB is experimenting with in the Atlantic League. RoboUmp decided balls/strikes last night. Bigger bases I think helps prevent some injuries, and stealing first base is a really interesting idea. Stealing first would greatly impact value of guys like Billy Hamilton, and how speed guys are pitched to. The four strike bunt rule is stupid though.
MLB is all about shortening games. The stealing first idea would add an at bat for most wild pitches/passed balls. I can't see them doing this.
LUIS. ROBERT.
That is all.
First game at Angels Stadium since Skaggs died. His mom, a softball coach local for 30 year# throws perfect strike opening pitch. Every team member wearing Skaggs number. Combined no hitter outcome.
Amazing,
Quote from: Cheeks on July 13, 2019, 12:41:43 AM
First game at Angels Stadium since Skaggs died. His mom, a softball coach local for 30 year# throws perfect strike opening pitch. Every team member wearing Skaggs number. Combined no hitter outcome.
Amazing,
That was great. It really was amazing. Very touching tribute by his teammates after the game as well.
Quote from: buckchuckler on July 13, 2019, 02:16:12 PM
That was great. It really was amazing. Very touching tribute by his teammates after the game as well.
Yes it was.
I had high hopes for Burnes this year. I thought he'd be a great addition to the rotation. It's been disappointing watching him this year.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 14, 2019, 05:32:45 PM
I had high hopes for Burnes this year. I thought he'd be a great addition to the rotation. It's been disappointing watching him this year.
If he doesn't allow an Earned Run in his next 99 innings, he'll match last year's ERA (2.61).
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 14, 2019, 05:32:45 PM
I had high hopes for Burnes this year. I thought he'd be a great addition to the rotation. It's been disappointing watching him this year.
The flip side though is Woodruff. He has been huge for the Brewers this year. He has shown ace potential. He certainly has the ace stuff. Maybe a couple of bumpy starts but for the most part, he has been really good, and if he continues to progress, he may be the guy the Brewers can count on for a game 1 start.
I thought the NL Central was being way overrated and I think that's played out. The Brewers just aren't a very good team at all yet I don't think anyone in the Central is so they won't get put away until September.
Quote from: buckchuckler on July 13, 2019, 02:16:12 PM
That was great. It really was amazing. Very touching tribute by his teammates after the game as well.
For those that believe in God.
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"It was just designed perfectly," Simmons said. "It felt like a guidance."
Dee Gordon's viral postgame quote -- "If you don't believe in God, you might want to start" -- made its way through the Angels' clubhouse and drew laughs. Albert Pujols, a devout Christian, felt validated in his faith. Andrew Heaney, who doesn't consider himself religious, pondered the possibility of larger forces at play.
"You can't help but think that something bigger is going on, or someone out there is watching out for us," Angels reliever Cam Bedrosian said. "You could just feel it. You could feel something different."
While Ryan Braun deserves to be booed pretty much anywhere he goes, I do find it comical that he went wild against the Diamondbacks while roiding in the 2011 Playoffs and their fans still hate him 8 years later because of it. As if the Diamondbacks didn't win the 2001 World Series on the back of steroids. Anyone ever take a look at Luis Gonzalez's home run totals year to year?
Jonah Keri was suspended by The Athletic among allegations of repeated domestic abuse.
Tyler Saladino on the year:
.130 avg, 7 for 54. 5 singles, 2 grand slams.
Have to think the Brewers have pitched themselves out of buy mode at the deadline. Way too many pitchers needed to make a fun, especially with Woodruff through August.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 22, 2019, 10:24:10 PM
Tyler Saladino on the year:
.130 avg, 7 for 54. 5 singles, 2 grand slams.
I should probably shut up because I didn't say anything when it happened, and he cleared waivers, but what does Tyler Saladino do that Hernan Perez doesnt?
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 23, 2019, 09:40:50 AM
I should probably shut up because I didn't say anything when it happened, and he cleared waivers, but what does Tyler Saladino do that Hernan Perez doesnt?
Nothing, but Saldino did have a .943 OPS in 67 games in San Antonio before coming up to the MLB and he was playing well for the Brewers last year before he sprained his ankle. He probably deserved a shot given what Perez was giving the Brewers (or not giving them).
(No longer addressed your way) the Brewers just aren't a very good baseball team. Really at all. But nobody in the NL Central is. To be honest the entire NL is really bad outside of the Dodgers. I personally don't even think the Braves are very good. Decent sure, but should not be the second best team in the NL. I can't see anybody even scaring the Dodgers prior to the World Series.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 23, 2019, 05:24:01 AM
Have to think the Brewers have pitched themselves out of buy mode at the deadline. Way too many pitchers needed to make a fun, especially with Woodruff through August.
I hope that as things stand the Crew aren't looking to trade significant assets for rentals, but there'd be nothing wrong with them making a move for someone with team control through 2020 or beyond. I don't think they have the combination of financial flexibility and bad contracts to send back for Greinke to make sense, but I think there's still a lot to like with a guy like Danny Duffy. Duffy in particular could probably be had cheaper than at the Winter Meetings. He's due $30M over the next two years, so he's expensive, but not much moreso than trying to find a mid rotation starter on the open market. Stroman would be a nice add too, but his value seems a little inflated right now and there's a lot of smoke around contenders adding him for the stretch.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 23, 2019, 09:40:50 AM
I should probably shut up because I didn't say anything when it happened, and he cleared waivers, but what does Tyler Saladino do that Hernan Perez doesnt?
Better defender than Hernan at SS, 2B, LF, RF. Saladino is a great defensive player. Hernan is versatile for sure, but just passable at every position he can play.
If Saladino can hit .240ish he's the better option for sure. We'll see if he can build upon the last two days.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 23, 2019, 09:56:22 AM
Nothing, but Saldino did have a .943 OPS in 67 games in San Antonio before coming up to the MLB and he was playing well for the Brewers last year before he sprained his ankle. He probably deserved a shot given what Perez was giving the Brewers (or not giving them).
(No longer addressed your way) the Brewers just aren't a very good baseball team. Really at all. But nobody in the NL Central is. To be honest the entire NL is really bad outside of the Dodgers. I personally don't even think the Braves are very good. Decent sure, but should not be the second best team in the NL. I can't see anybody even scaring the Dodgers prior to the World Series.
Eh.... Stats say otherwise. The nl central has 5 teams that are actually not bad and therefore chew up on each other (much like the old big east) Cubs and cards are over 500 on each of the nl divisions, and the brewers haven't played bad against the others. The nl also has a very respectable record VS the AL. The central just doesn't have the one or two beating sticks that divions like the AL east do.
Hell every nl central team is still technically in the race, and all realistically had a shot at the asb.
Hernan will be a September call up, and my understanding is thought very highly. I have no doubt that everyone was on the same page when this move happened. When he is done playing, the Brewers want him to be a part of the organization in the future.
I might actually like to see the Crew 'sell'. Moose and Yasi are on one year contracts. They could certainly help someone and I'd argue the Brewers need some young pitchers in the minors. They could bring Shaw back up and make Pina the everyday. We simply have to decide if Shaw can be the guy again and we know Grandal is a total rental. Heck, we could even tell Moose that we'll call him in November.
I agree with those that said that nobody appears to be getting past the Dodgers. So should we really work like crazy to get a wild card birth? Next year maybe Knebel, Suter, Nelson are all back and 100%. Maybe Burnes gets his stuff together? Maybe, but it doesn't feel like this year.
I really doubt the Brewers are going to sell a half game out of the Wild Card and two out of the Division.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 22, 2019, 10:24:10 PM
Tyler Saladino on the year:
.130 avg, 7 for 54. 5 singles, 2 grand slams.
That is fantastic.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 23, 2019, 03:14:15 PM
I really doubt the Brewers are going to sell a half game out of the Wild Card and two out of the Division.
You wanna re-evaluate? The Crew isn't going anywhere this year. Sure they might make the playoffs but stretching to do that isn't worth mortgaging. I'd sell.
Quote from: jsglow on July 23, 2019, 10:27:37 PM
You wanna re-evaluate? The Crew isn't going anywhere this year. Sure they might make the playoffs but stretching to do that isn't worth mortgaging. I'd sell.
I'm really down on the team and don't expect them to make the playoffs, but with the Cubs struggling and the return for two months of Moose and Grandal likely "blah" at best, the smartest course of action for the Brewers is probably just to stand pat and hope everybody gets hot. Stearns seems to make a deal with the White Sox every summer, so see what they want for Colome and if it's reasonable, pull the trigger and get Hader some help in the bullpen. I don't like the idea of giving up the farm for Boyd, and Bumgarner won't move the needle enough.
The two factors that buried this year's team were Knebel's injury and the failure of Burnes and Peralta as starters. Perhaps Stearns will learn not to ignore his rotation next winter.
Quote from: Research Report on July 23, 2019, 10:48:47 PM
I'm really down on the team and don't expect them to make the playoffs, but with the Cubs struggling and the return for two months of Moose and Grandal likely "blah" at best, the smartest course of action for the Brewers is probably just to stand pat and hope everybody gets hot. Stearns seems to make a deal with the White Sox every summer, so see what they want for Colome and if it's reasonable, pull the trigger and get Hader some help in the bullpen. I don't like the idea of giving up the farm for Boyd, and Bumgarner won't move the needle enough.
The two factors that buried this year's team were Knebel's injury and the failure of Burnes and Peralta as starters. Perhaps Stearns will learn not to ignore his rotation next winter.
Good to know the guy that has given up 3 ER or less in 11 of his last 12 starts "doesn't move the needle".
Since May 1st, his ERA is 3.38. Better than a K/IP. And has given up a .302 OBP. He is also averaging 6 IP, even including one outing that was 2 IP because of rain.
Quote from: Research Report on July 23, 2019, 10:48:47 PM
...the return for two months of Moose and Grandal likely "blah" at best...
That may be true, but Stearns should be listening if other teams call to ask about either guy. I'd listen on Thames too (isn't he a FA?)
Quote from: buckchuckler on July 24, 2019, 12:53:53 AM
Good to know the guy that has given up 3 ER or less in 11 of his last 12 starts "doesn't move the needle".
Since May 1st, his ERA is 3.38. Better than a K/IP. And has given up a .302 OBP. He is also averaging 6 IP, even including one outing that was 2 IP because of rain.
Bumgarner, with the numbers you listed above, would've been a great addition to last year's Brewers team. I'm not even sure 2008 C.C. Sabathia could get this year's team a wild card.
Quote from: Research Report on July 24, 2019, 06:16:56 AM
Bumgarner, with the numbers you listed above, would've been a great addition to last year's Brewers team. I'm not even sure 2008 C.C. Sabathia could get this year's team a wild card.
Lol what? 2008 CC would give us the Division and an NLCS appearance and actually give us a chance at the Dodgers.
Quote from: jsglow on July 23, 2019, 10:27:37 PM
You wanna re-evaluate? The Crew isn't going anywhere this year. Sure they might make the playoffs but stretching to do that isn't worth mortgaging. I'd sell.
Do I want to re-evaluate a day later when they are still two games out of the Division and 1.5 out of the Wild Card? Lol. No.
Now do I think they are going anywhere? Likely not. But I don't think there is any chance that the Brewers will throw in the towel at this point.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 24, 2019, 06:27:02 AM
Lol what? 2008 CC would give us the Division and an NLCS appearance and actually give us a chance at the Dodgers.
Well, 2008 CC could probably pitch this year's Orioles team into the playoffs. That said, I'm not sure I'd want to give up a guy like Dubon for Bumgarner. And with the Giants making a little splash of late, they may not even be looking to deal.
Quote from: Research Report on July 24, 2019, 08:17:54 AM
Well, 2008 CC could probably pitch this year's Orioles team into the playoffs. That said, I'm not sure I'd want to give up a guy like Dubon for Bumgarner. And with the Giants making a little splash of late, they may not even be looking to deal.
I'd have no issue giving up Dubon. I think a lot of teams will be in on Bumgarner and I don't think the Brewers have the prospects beyond Keston, who is going nowhere, to get any difference making starter.
I expect the Brewers will add a bullpen arm and, knowing Stearns, will probably add some power hitting righty bat either at 1B or in the OF. And I think they'll still be a bad team in a bad division who maybe sneaks into the Playoffs but doesn't make any noise even if they do get there.
Unless, the Brewers get swept by the Cubs this weekend, I think they will buy. Although, I think they go for either depth pitchers or a guy under control for more than 2 months like Robbie Ray.
I just stumbled across this webpage -- The Ten Best Outfield Throws on Video (http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/79327560/ten-best-outfield-throws-in-baseball-yoenis-cespedes-vladimir-guerrero-yasiel-puig) -- and enjoyed it so much I had to share it with someone. Not relevant to anything in the thread...just a lot of fun to watch.
This is one for the record books!
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/position-player-earns-save-for-first-time-in-mlb-history-in-orioles-wild-victory
So the Cubs have the second best home record in the NL and the worst road record. The .296 OBS at the leadoff spot is an issue that they need to move on. I don't think Ian Happ is the answer.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/cubs/2019/7/24/20726644/chicago-cubs-joe-maddon-kris-bryant-addison-russell-2019
Quote from: SaveOD238 on July 24, 2019, 06:02:50 AM
That may be true, but Stearns should be listening if other teams call to ask about either guy. I'd listen on Thames too (isn't he a FA?)
There's chatter about Aguilar. And I'm not thinking that Shaw's promo to the big club is being done in isolation.
I guess I'm along the lines of Research earlier. I don't really care if Stearns makes a move that's 'minor', but the Crew simply cannot pay top dollar to buy pitching. That doesn't work for small market teams in my view.
Hi Cub Fans.
See that angry Cardinal overhead?
He's playing great baseball.
He's quite aggravated that he has been out of the playoffs for several years. Or that he has not had a World Championship in what seems like a nanosecond for you Cub fans but seems like an eternity for him.
The Cardinal is coming and don't be surprised about that white stuff on your window. It's bird crap and he's pissed.
P.S. -- We'll see how this plays out over the next two weeks!!!!!
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 26, 2019, 02:11:47 PM
Hi Cub Fans.
See that angry Cardinal overhead?
He's playing great baseball.
He's quite aggravated that he has been out of the playoffs for several years. Or that he has not had a World Championship in what seems like a nanosecond for you Cub fans but seems like an eternity for him.
The Cardinal is coming and don't be surprised about that white stuff on your window. It's bird crap and he's pissed.
P.S. -- We'll see how this plays out over the next two weeks!!!!!
The Cardinals (and Cubs, and Brewers) have about as much chance of getting a World Series ring this year as I do.
10 million Dish subscribers are now not getting Fox Sports Regional networks. This includes many of the highest rated MLB telecasts across the country. This is not good for MLB.
Brewers down to just 2 healthy SPs. I think this answers the buy/sell argument. Too many missing pieces st this point.
Wasn't Joe Maddon just recently crying about the Pirates pitching up and in?
Quote from: wadesworld on July 26, 2019, 05:05:04 PM
The Cardinals (and Cubs, and Brewers) have about as much chance of getting a World Series ring this year as I do.
Heard that before.
The 1969 New York Mets had about as much business in the World Series as Depaul does in next year's Final Four.
Guess who won the 1969 World Series?
50 years since Amazin
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 26, 2019, 10:25:02 PM
Heard that before.
The 1969 New York Mets had about as much business in the World Series as Depaul does in next year's Final Four.
Guess who won the 1969 World Series?
50 years since Amazin
Good luck.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 26, 2019, 09:54:50 PM
Brewers down to just 2 healthy SPs. I think this answers the buy/sell argument. Too many missing pieces st this point.
It's possible Gio makes his next scheduled start.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 26, 2019, 05:05:04 PM
The Cardinals (and Cubs, and Brewers) have about as much chance of getting a World Series ring this year as I do.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2006.shtml
In this exact case though, I can look at the Brewers and say their SPs aren't good enough/ healthy enough to get them to a WS. For the Cubs, it is their bullpen. For the Cards, well, I don't see that glaring weakness on their team. Their defense certainly isn't great, but I don't see an obvious Achilles' heel.
Even with that said, either the Brewers or Cubs, if they make the playoffs could get hot. Just like that 06 Cards team.
Cubs roster moves and potential moves are...interesting. There's a lot going on behind the scenes there right now.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 26, 2019, 10:25:02 PM
Heard that before.
The 1969 New York Mets had about as much business in the World Series as Depaul does in next year's Final Four.
Guess who won the 1969 World Series?
50 years since Amazin
Those '69 Mets were 100-62 in the regular season and won the division by 8 games - zero fluke. Now the 2006 Cardinals....
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 27, 2019, 06:02:48 AM
Those '69 Mets were 100-62 in the regular season and won the division by 8 games - zero fluke. Now the 2006 Cardinals....
Touche!!!!
A very good point! Worst team ever to win the World Series -- at least it seemed that way.
This is baseball. What happens in the last two months of the season often defies logic.
Just ask the 1969 Chicago Cubs.
Or the 1967 Impossible Dream Boston Red Sox.
Incidentally, most sportswriters and "experts" thought the 1969 Mets would be around 62-100 rather than vice versa. That team and the 1970 Baltimore Orioles probably had the best top-to-bottom starting pitching baseball has ever seen.
Oh and Wades.. thank you. The Cardinals will need it !!!!!! They have two more this weekend with the Astros!
Quote from: MUDish on July 27, 2019, 12:44:16 AM
Cubs roster moves and potential moves are...interesting. There's a lot going on behind the scenes there right now.
Care to expand?
Quote from: shoothoops on July 26, 2019, 06:41:17 PM
10 million Dish subscribers are now not getting Fox Sports Regional networks. This includes many of the highest rated MLB telecasts across the country. This is not good for MLB.
Going to continue with Sinclair transaction.
The upcoming Cubs RSN is also very expensive and many distributors will have to make a tough decision, and of course pass on the costs.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 27, 2019, 06:02:48 AM
Those '69 Mets were 100-62 in the regular season and won the division by 8 games - zero fluke. Now the 2006 Cardinals....
Going into that season they were expected to be a disaster, easy to say no fluke after they win it all.
Called the miracle Mets for a reason.
The Wild Card has won the World Series more than enough times for it to be taken seriously as a possible World Series Winner. Get in the playoffs and see what happens. Winning a mediocre division is again another viable way to do it. It's a loooooooong regular season. And playoffs are a different entity entirely. Premature judgements often times do not come true.
Somehow the Cardinals sit in first place today. They won the World Series in 2006 despite only winning 83 regular season games that season. (which was somehow enough to win a division) and they lost multiple times with 100 plus win teams. In 2004 they won 105 regular season games only to lose in WS to a wildcard Boston team.
Long way to go in baseball's regular season with many teams in contention. I've seen it way too many times to make any definitive statements at this time of the season.
I will say that Dish is no longer carrying Fox Regional Sports channels as of yesterday, and, that will hurt MLB ratings, along with Fox, and Dish. 15 million subscribers.
Quote from: shoothoops on July 27, 2019, 10:32:16 AM
Long way to go in baseball's regular season with many teams in contention. I've seen it way too many times to make any definitive statements at this time of the season.
You are absolutely right.
But, gosh, it seems nice that God's will in the NL Central is being borne out again.
It would be so nice to see that little Cardinal crap all over the Cubbie Bear's parade!
Quote from: Cheeks on July 27, 2019, 09:04:58 AM
Going into that season they were expected to be a disaster, easy to say no fluke after they win it all.
Called the miracle Mets for a reason.
I know you're a big fan of preseason polls (LOL) but why not talk about what they did rather than what a few dimwitted sportswriters predicted they would do. They finished with the 10th best regular season winning % among WS champs in the last 50 years. Finished 8 games ahead of a really good Cub team and wiped out a borderline great Baltimore Oriole team 4-1 in the Series. They were legit, not lucky/fluky. Not surprised, though - you're quick to confuse skill and talent with luck, fluke and crapshoot.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 27, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
I know you're a big fan of preseason polls (LOL) but why not talk about what they did rather than what a few dimwitted sportswriters predicted they would do. They finished with the 10th best regular season winning % among WS champs in the last 50 years. Finished 8 games ahead of a really good Cub team and wiped out a borderline great Baltimore Oriole team 4-1 in the Series. They were legit, not lucky/fluky. Not surprised, though - you're quick to confuse skill and talent with luck, fluke and crapshoot.
But for whatever reason, Met success was not sustainable. The Mets were a ugly step-sister to the Cincinnati Reds and Pittsburgh Pirates of that era. Only one other time did the core of that team make the World Series, 1973. And they lost to the Oakland As.
The Big Red Machine's core in the early 1970s went on to be the best team ever in 1976. The core of the Pirates won the World Series in 1971 and 1979 with Pops Stargell and before the tragic accident, with Roberto Clemente.
As for the Mets, Nolan Ryan was on the 1969 team, as was Tom Seaver. Ryan had control problems for much of the 1970s and Seaver may have been one of the best pitchers ever.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 27, 2019, 02:41:18 PM
But for whatever reason, Met success was not sustainable. The Mets were a ugly step-sister to the Cincinnati Reds and Pittsburgh Pirates of that era. Only one other time did the core of that team make the World Series, 1973. And they lost to the Oakland As.
The Big Red Machine's core in the early 1970s went on to be the best team ever in 1976. The core of the Pirates won the World Series in 1971 and 1979 with Pops Stargell and before the tragic accident, with Roberto Clemente.
As for the Mets, Nolan Ryan was on the 1969 team, as was Tom Seaver. Ryan had control problems for much of the 1970s and Seaver may have been one of the best pitchers ever.
True that they weren't a dynasty.
True also that they weren't a fluke.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 27, 2019, 02:41:18 PM
But for whatever reason, Met success was not sustainable. The Mets were a ugly step-sister to the Cincinnati Reds and Pittsburgh Pirates of that era. Only one other time did the core of that team make the World Series, 1973. And they lost to the Oakland As.
The Big Red Machine's core in the early 1970s went on to be the best team ever in 1976. The core of the Pirates won the World Series in 1971 and 1979 with Pops Stargell and before the tragic accident, with Roberto Clemente.
As for the Mets, Nolan Ryan was on the 1969 team, as was Tom Seaver. Ryan had control problems for much of the 1970s and Seaver may have been one of the best pitchers ever.
Yes, the best team in 1976; but not better than the 1906 Cubs, '27, '61 or '98 Yankees and 2001 Mariners.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 27, 2019, 06:20:46 PM
Yes, the best team in 1976; but not better than the 1906 Cubs, '27, '61 or '98 Yankees and 2001 Mariners.
Agree to disagree. That team was a damn machine.
How can one properly determine the greatness of one team in one era vs another in a different era? Different players, sometimes different rules, travel, opposition, scouting, etc.
Just impossible
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 27, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
I know you're a big fan of preseason polls (LOL) but why not talk about what they did rather than what a few dimwitted sportswriters predicted they would do. They finished with the 10th best regular season winning % among WS champs in the last 50 years. Finished 8 games ahead of a really good Cub team and wiped out a borderline great Baltimore Oriole team 4-1 in the Series. They were legit, not lucky/fluky. Not surprised, though - you're quick to confuse skill and talent with luck, fluke and crapshoot.
Ncaa basketball has 350+ teams, with massive player movement each year, that is why preseason polls are a joke.
Baseball has 30 teams, back then there were only 24 teams, baseball free agency started 6 years later in 1975. Player movement was limited, much easier to gauge teams. Not surprised you make a laughable comparison, not surprised at all.
The 1968 Mets were 73-89, the year prior to the miracle Mets. The two years prior to that 66 and 61 wins. Now is it difficult to make predictions on a league with 24 teams with very little player movement, or one with 350+ teams in which 25% of an average roster changes each year. Hmmm. Yes....hmmm.
After that miracle season, they never won more than 83 games until 1976....so tell me which season was the outlier? 1969. The next time they won 100 games after 1969 was in 1986. Hmmm.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 27, 2019, 06:20:46 PM
Yes, the best team in 1976; but not better than the 1906 Cubs, '27, '61 or '98 Yankees and 2001 Mariners.
Shouldn't you need to be the best team in a particular season to count as one of the best ever?
Might want to start walking those two guys...
Theo looks thrilled!
Quote from: wadesworld on July 27, 2019, 09:45:34 PM
Might want to start walking those two guys...
Theo looks thrilled!
Time for Jed and Joe to move along. Bad move after bad move. Will Theo have the nads to make these moves?
Cubs suck
Enjoying every minute of it!!
The cuckhold Jed Hoyer has on Theo borders on weird. Time for major management and clubhouse moves. Just a mess of an organization.
Quote from: Cheeks on July 27, 2019, 07:15:29 PM
Ncaa basketball has 350+ teams, with massive player movement each year, that is why preseason polls are a joke.
The 1968 Mets were 73-89, the year prior to the miracle Mets. The two years prior to that 66 and 61 wins. Now is it difficult to make predictions on a league with 24 teams with very little player movement, or one with 350+ teams in which 25% of an average roster changes each year. Hmmm. Yes....hmmm.
After that miracle season, they never won more than 83 games until 1976....so tell me which season was the outlier? 1969. The next time they won 100 games after 1969 was in 1986. Hmmm.
1.The bottom 250 (sometimes much more) teams in NCAA basketball really don't matter.
2, The Mets rotation in 1966 was (drumroll):Jack Fischer, Dennis Ribant, Bob Shaw,Jack Hamilton, Rob Gardner and (at times) an over the hill Bob Friend. In 1969: Future HOF Tom Seaver, future HOF Nolan Ryan, Jerry Koosman, Don Cardwell and Gary Gentry. Four new regulars in the field (including Tommie Agee and Bud Harrelson), four holdovers who were babies in '66 (Kranepool 21, Swoboda 22, Cleon Jones and Jerry Grote 23. IOW, a completely different team.
As I said, the Mets were no dynasty (not many teams are), but they were no fluke either. Not that it particularly matters, but they were back in the WS and took a dynasty (Oakland) to game 7 only 4 years later.
That young '69 team started slowly and was 18-23 after 41 games. From then on they were (including the playoffs) 89-40. From mid August, they were an astounding 45-12.
Calling a team that so dominated one year, played in 2 World Series in 5 years, annihilated one near great team in 1 WS and went down to the wire with a dynasty team in the other a fluke is absurd. Any honest man would agree.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 27, 2019, 10:34:27 PM
1.The bottom 250 (sometimes much more) teams in NCAA basketball really don't matter.
.............
Silly boy, Lenny. Facts are meaningless.
Quote from: Jockey on July 28, 2019, 12:43:52 AM
Silly boy, Lenny. Facts are meaningless.
Let's use Lenny's "facts".
We'll go with his 100 teams....easier to predict 100 teams or 24? Hmmmm
100 teams with 25% roster change each year or 24 teams with less change annually? Hmmm.
The season(s) after the miracle Mets were barely .500. Again, it was a massive outlier season which is why they are called the miracle Mets. They didn't get that moniker out of the blue. Next thing you know we will hear how Sam Hauser and pressure works on the road.
I'd say the Mets have lost their mind, but this seems on brand.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 28, 2019, 05:29:16 PM
I'd say the Mets have lost their mind, but this seems on brand.
Yeah, what are they doing? I'd say there has to be more to this, but it is the Mets...
Not mutually exclusive with the Mets being insane, but for me this is as much an indictment on the Blue Jays as the Mets. The return is fine, I guess, but outside of an injury to Stroman, there doesn't seem to be a ton of downside for the Mets here. Its their Nos. 4 and 6 prospects, from traderumors:
QuoteIn Anthony Kay, the Blue Jays will receive the Mets' 4th-ranked prospect and top-ranked pitching prospect, according to MLB Pipeline. The Mets' first-round draft selection in 2016, Kay is a 24-year-old left-hander who is pitching in the upper minors, a proximity arm who could earn a promotion this season. After dominating Double-A and earning a promotion to Triple-A, he has encountered some difficulty, as evidenced by his 6.61 ERA after 7 starts. Still, this is a prospect who is on the brink of cracking the Majors, and is viewed long-term as a back-end starter—a nice contrast with the second pitcher headed to the Blue Jays in the deal.
Woods Richardson, meanwhile, was the Mets' No. 6 prospect and 2018 second-round draftee. Just 18 years old, he has risen up prospect lists after sriking out 97 batters in 78 1/3 innings at Low-A ball. His 4.25 ERA is not a sterling mark, but a 5.6 K:BB ratio in 2019 indicates that there is potential that perhaps has yet to be unlocked. MLB Pipeline touts his ceiling, noting that no "pitcher in the system can rival the young right-hander's upside." Between him and Kay, the Blue Jays will boost their minor-league pitching with a combination of Major-League readiness and high upside.
This seems like a package that the Jays could have gotten from a number of desperate contenders over the next three days, and that the Mets can get from someone else at the Winter Meetings. I'm sure more knowledgeable reports will prove me wrong, but my initial read is that in a very slow moving deadline, the Blue Jays blinked first. And with a player they didn't even have to trade now.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 28, 2019, 06:20:00 PM
Not mutually exclusive with the Mets being insane, but for me this is as much an indictment on the Blue Jays as the Mets. The return is fine, I guess, but outside of an injury to Stroman, there doesn't seem to be a ton of downside for the Mets here. Its their Nos. 4 and 6 prospects, from traderumors:
This seems like a package that the Jays could have gotten from a number of desperate contenders over the next three days, and that the Mets can get from someone else at the Winter Meetings. I'm sure more knowledgeable reports will prove me wrong, but my initial read is that in a very slow moving deadline, the Blue Jays blinked first. And with a player they didn't even have to trade now.
I agree. It was a decent return, but no reason to do this today. Why not wait and see what offers come before Wednesday?
https://mobile.twitter.com/br_mlb/status/1155573024407658496
What a nut.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2019, 08:56:52 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/br_mlb/status/1155573024407658496
What a nut.
Hope David Stearns takes a hard pass
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2019, 08:56:52 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/br_mlb/status/1155573024407658496
What a nut.
Good throw though.
"First and foremost, I owe a sincere apology to all of my teammates, my coaching staff, the organization and all of our fans for how I conducted myself today. It's unbecoming. It was childish, unprofessional. There's no place for it in the game. I'm happy it didn't result in any physical injury for anybody else. I realize I put people in danger.
"I want to be clear that my frustrations were with myself and my inability to stop the situation and keep my team in the game. It was not directed at any of my teammates, even though I know that it came off that way. I love going to battle with my guys every day, and today I feel like I really let them down, both personally and professionally.
"I'm an intense competitor and that fire is what drives me, and today it completely consumed me, took over. I just wanted to say I'm sorry for how I behaved. I'll be better about it. It won't happen again."
I guess they need to put up nets in the outfield to protect fans whenever he's pitching.
And hey ... he's almost as intense a competitor as muguru!
Bauer is a different kind of guy. Had issues in HS cuz he had outside coaches who knew way more about pitching than his HS coach. He was using experimental techniques from the time he was 10 years old and trusted them more than any of his coaches.
Quote from: buckchuckler on July 29, 2019, 11:28:58 AM
Good throw though.
Yeah he plays catch from foul pole to foul pole to warm up for starts. Weird guy.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2019, 02:25:49 PM
Yeah he plays catch from foul pole to foul pole to warm up for starts. Weird guy.
That actually used to be a common practice for pitchers back in the day. Lots of long toss.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 27, 2019, 06:20:46 PM
Yes, the best team in 1976; but not better than the 1906 Cubs, '27, '61 or '98 Yankees and 2001 Mariners.
61 Yankees are generally overrated because of Maris and Mantle. Expansion year in the AL helped their gaudy record a lot. Great team, but not as good as the 75-76 Reds team, IMO. 1975 Reds scored more runs and allowed fewer than the 61 Yanks, and the 1976 team also had a better run differential. Agree on the other teams, though.
That lineup of Rose, Griffey, Morgan, Bench, Perez, Foster, Concepcion and Geronimo is the best starting 8 in my lifetime, I think. 3 Hall of Famers, really 4 because Rose is a first ballot guy which would have given them 3 first ballot types, and the other 4 guys had between them 17 all star appearances, 9 Gold Gloves, 1 MVP, 7 other top 10 MVP finishes.
That was a great team.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2019, 02:25:49 PM
Weird guy.
Indeed.
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/vuciery88clfnu6r7hgq.gif)
Quote from: CTWarrior on July 29, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
61 Yankees are generally overrated because of Maris and Mantle. Expansion year in the AL helped their gaudy record a lot. Great team, but not as good as the 75-76 Reds team, IMO. 1975 Reds scored more runs and allowed fewer than the 61 Yanks, and the 1976 team also had a better run differential. Agree on the other teams, though.
I agree the '76 Reds were the better team. Hard to compare stats, though, as the mound was lowered in '69 greatly helping the offense.
Quote from: Jockey on July 29, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
Bauer is a different kind of guy. Had issues in HS cuz he had outside coaches who knew way more about pitching than his HS coach. He was using experimental techniques from the time he was 10 years old and trusted them more than any of his coaches.
I have a love/hate relationship with Bauer. On one hand, he's an incredibly cerebral and intelligent guy, especially when it comes to pitching. He's patterned himself after Lincecum in that mold of not being a big overpowering guy like Verlander or Scherzer, but he's gonna have perfect mechanics and being technically proficient. He throws like 8 pitches and wants more. He's fascinating in his approach and mindset on the position.
That being said, he's kind of a lunatic and would not surprise me if he has some sort of low level personality disorder. There's a line between respecting someone for not caring what people think and being a contentious douche, and he usually trends towards the latter.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 29, 2019, 05:05:43 PM
I have a love/hate relationship with Bauer. On one hand, he's an incredibly cerebral and intelligent guy, especially when it comes to pitching. He's patterned himself after Lincecum in that mold of not being a big overpowering guy like Verlander or Scherzer, but he's gonna have perfect mechanics and being technically proficient. He throws like 8 pitches and wants more. He's fascinating in his approach and mindset on the position.
That being said, he's kind of a lunatic and would not surprise me if he has some sort of low level personality disorder. There's a line between respecting someone for not caring what people think and being a contentious douche, and he usually trends towards the latter.
Yeah...... I pretty much agree with both points.
Quote from: Jockey on July 29, 2019, 03:46:30 PM
That actually used to be a common practice for pitchers back in the day. Lots of long toss.
Still a practice for many pitchers
Quote from: Cheeks on July 29, 2019, 07:21:14 PM
Still a practice for many pitchers
The difference is that most pitchers long toss at 120 feet lobbing the ball.
Trevor will throw 300+ feet and throw it as hard as he can.
Quote from: Jockey on July 29, 2019, 07:44:23 PM
The difference is that most pitchers long toss at 120 feet lobbing the ball.
Trevor will throw 300+ feet and throw it as hard as he can.
A number of years ago, while at one of my son's little league games, Indians pitcher Julian Tavarez was there. He apparently knew someone on one of the teams. He was playing catch with several of the kids who were probably 12 or so. It was funny to watch because they were 200+ feet apart. The kids would throw it as hard as they could and get it to him on 5+ bounces, and Tavarez was firing rockets back that were stinging their hands.
Quote from: Jockey on July 29, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
Bauer is a different kind of guy.
Easy on beejay, eh?
Quote from: CTWarrior on July 29, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
61 Yankees are generally overrated because of Maris and Mantle. Expansion year in the AL helped their gaudy record a lot. Great team, but not as good as the 75-76 Reds team, IMO. 1975 Reds scored more runs and allowed fewer than the 61 Yanks, and the 1976 team also had a better run differential. Agree on the other teams, though.
That lineup of Rose, Griffey, Morgan, Bench, Perez, Foster, Concepcion and Geronimo is the best starting 8 in my lifetime, I think. 3 Hall of Famers, really 4 because Rose is a first ballot guy which would have given them 3 first ballot types, and the other 4 guys had between them 17 all star appearances, 9 Gold Gloves, 1 MVP, 7 other top 10 MVP finishes.
That was a great team.
Best one in my lifetime and that goes back quite a ways. If the 1976 Reds played in New York, no one and I mean no one would question that they were the best team ever. The media would have made sure of it.
First five hitters in the line-up were Rose, Morgan, Perez, Forster and Bench. Of the next four, only the pitcher and Davey Concepcion were weak hitters. For pitchers, the staff was led by Gary Nolan and Don Gullett, the latter of whom would be in the HOF were it not for a torn rotator cuff.
There aint one of those guys I'd want to pitch to and Dan Driessen was on the bench. Bill Plummer, their back-up catcher probably could have started for half the teams in baseball.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 29, 2019, 10:41:39 PM
Best one in my lifetime and that goes back quite a ways. If the 1976 Reds played in New York, no one and I mean no one would question that they were the best team ever. The media would have made sure of it.
First five hitters in the line-up were Rose, Morgan, Perez, Forster and Bench. Of the next four, only the pitcher and Davey Concepcion were weak hitters. For pitchers, the staff was led by Gary Nolan and Don Gullett, the latter of whom would be in the HOF were it not for a torn rotator cuff.
There aint one of those guys I'd want to pitch to and Dan Driessen was on the bench. Bill Plummer, their back-up catcher probably could have started for half the teams in baseball.
Don't undersell Concepcion. He was one of the better SS in the league until he neared his mid 30s.
Quote from: Jockey on July 29, 2019, 11:44:49 PM
Don't undersell Concepcion. He was one of the better SS in the league until he neared his mid 30s.
9 all star games and 5 gold gloves. He would not be the worst shortstop in the Hall of Fame if he were elected (though I would not vote for him). In 1976 he had a 107 OPS+, which means he was 7% better than the average MLB hitter while playing Gold Glove defense at SS. If he's your weak link you've got a pretty good team.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on July 29, 2019, 08:13:16 PM
Indians pitcher Julian Tavarez was there.
Speaking of pitchers who are out there...
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 29, 2019, 10:41:39 PM
Best one in my lifetime and that goes back quite a ways. If the 1976 Reds played in New York, no one and I mean no one would question that they were the best team ever. The media would have made sure of it.
First five hitters in the line-up were Rose, Morgan, Perez, Forster and Bench. Of the next four, only the pitcher and Davey Concepcion were weak hitters. For pitchers, the staff was led by Gary Nolan and Don Gullett, the latter of whom would be in the HOF were it not for a torn rotator cuff.
I think the '98 Yankees rotation of Pettite, Wells, Cone, Irabu and El Duque/Mendoza was a better one. And then you had Rivera out of the bullpen.
Quote from: CTWarrior on July 29, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
61 Yankees are generally overrated because of Maris and Mantle. Expansion year in the AL helped their gaudy record a lot. Great team, but not as good as the 75-76 Reds team, IMO. 1975 Reds scored more runs and allowed fewer than the 61 Yanks, and the 1976 team also had a better run differential. Agree on the other teams, though.
That lineup of Rose, Griffey, Morgan, Bench, Perez, Foster, Concepcion and Geronimo is the best starting 8 in my lifetime, I think. 3 Hall of Famers, really 4 because Rose is a first ballot guy which would have given them 3 first ballot types, and the other 4 guys had between them 17 all star appearances, 9 Gold Gloves, 1 MVP, 7 other top 10 MVP finishes.
That was a great team.
If you've never read it, I'd highly recommend checking out "The Machine" by Joe Posnanski. It's a really entertaining and well-researched book about the 1975 Reds, with many interviews and firsthand accounts. The best character in it is Sparky Anderson. His "turds and superstars" approach to player management and his hatred of pitchers (especially his own) make for a lot of laughs. Really good read and a must for anyone who wants to know more about that team.
Well, the '27 Yankees had the greatest player in history and arguably another all-time top 10. Ruth had 60 HR, Gehrig had 47, and nobody else in either league had more than 30. Only 3 teams (all in the NL) hit as many HR as Ruth. So it starts there, with a team that, compared to its peers, totally lapped the field.
They had two others (Combs, Muesel) with OPS of .900 or better, and two others (Lazzeri, Collins) at .825 or better. So pardon me if I don't concede that the 1976 Reds had a better first 4 or 6 hitters.
They also had 4 pitchers who won 18+ games and had ERAs of 3.00 or less.
I know it's impossible to compare eras, but just as some might say that NBA team with Jordan almost can't help but have been the best ever, any MLB team with Ruth and Gehrig -- in their primes -- I mean, come on.
I agree. The only competition the '27 Yankees have for greatest team ever is the '39 Yankees.
Well Cubs manager Joe Maddon went after Clint Hurdle a few weeks ago.
This time it's Reds manager David Bell.
https://twitter.com/sinow/status/1156392561474527238?s=21
Also that's former Marquette opponent Amir Garrett on the mound landing a few haymakers.
Sounds like the Pirates threw at Dietrich's head earlier which sparked this brawl.
Also, the Reds and Pirates has a fight earlier this year when the Pirates threw behind a Red for watching a homerun.
Classic Clint Hurdle.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 30, 2019, 09:46:54 PM
Well Cubs manager Joe Maddon went after Clint Hurdle a few weeks ago.
This time it's Reds manager David Bell.
https://twitter.com/sinow/status/1156392561474527238?s=21
Also that's former Marquette opponent Amir Garrett on the mound landing a few haymakers.
Puig was traded before this happened and there he is out there mixing it up...I'm sure the Indians were thrilled with that considering the trade. He should have been pulled immediately from the game once he was traded.
Quote from: Cheeks on July 30, 2019, 10:19:40 PM
Luigi was traded before this happened and there he is out there mixing it up...I'm sure the Indians were thrilled with that considering the trade. He should have been pulled immediately from the game once he was traded.
I believe he was pulled and came back out.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 30, 2019, 09:46:54 PM
Also that's former Marquette opponent Amir Garrett on the mound landing a few haymakers.
Garrett's story is so wild. Literally was/is naturally so good at baseball, he got drafted and a 7 figure signing bonus off a pro day even though he didn't play baseball his senior year at Findlay Prep because they didn't have a team, and he wasn't exactly decorated on the diamond leading up to that. AND got the Reds blessing to keep playing basketball. Remarkable
Such an interesting trade for the Indians and Reds.
Puig is clearly going to be suspended. Do the Indians go through with the trade?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 30, 2019, 10:31:10 PM
I believe he was pulled and came back out.
According to this article he was still in the game which is odd the Reds would do that.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27290718/puig-reds-ejected-part-big-brawl
Quote from: Cheeks on July 31, 2019, 08:40:34 AM
According to this article he was still in the game which is odd the Reds would do that.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27290718/puig-reds-ejected-part-big-brawl
Bell had been ejected by that point I think. Maybe his focus or attention wasn't there.
And the Indians 100% are still going through with the trade. A 3 game suspension won't deter that. They are 3 games back in the division and leading the wild card. They got him for an October push.
Quote from: buckchuckler on July 30, 2019, 11:12:43 PM
Such an interesting trade for the Indians and Reds.
To the Reds credit, they have made the hot stove much more interesting over the past year or two. I don't necessarily want the Brewers front office to operate like the Reds or say the Mariners, but the player movement market would be less interesting without them.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 27, 2019, 06:38:49 PM
Agree to disagree. That team was a damn machine.
So was the '49-'53 Yankees winning 5 WS straight. In fact the Yankees won 10 WS in an 18 year span only missing the WS in '48, '54 and '59. Now there is a real machine winning consistently.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 31, 2019, 10:32:28 AM
So was the '49-'53 Yankees winning 5 WS straight. Can the damn machine boast that?
I would argue that the Yankees winning four in five years from 1996-2000 was a more impressive feat.
Point is, the Yankees have had several teams better than the 1975-76 Reds.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 31, 2019, 10:38:34 AM
I would argue that the Yankees winning four in five years from 1996-2000 was a more impressive feat.
I would agree with you now with all the playoff games and they almost beat the Diamondbacks in 2001. That '98 team was pretty impressive if not the greatest team ever.
Quote from: MU82 on July 31, 2019, 10:43:53 AM
Point is, the Yankees have had several teams better than the 1975-76 Reds.
Cannot argue with that, though that Reds team was one outstanding team. I believe if it was not for free agency the Reds could have had one or two more WS during that time.
Aguilar to the Rays for Jake Faria. Kind of a cool trade for each team. Rays get the bat, Brewers get an arm. Each experiencing a down year, each with some upside.
Bumgarner?
Robert Murray @ByRobertMurray
#Brewers and #SFGiants in agreement on significant trade, sources tell The Athletic. Mauricio Dubon to San Francisco.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2019, 01:22:11 PM
Bumgarner?
Robert Murray @ByRobertMurray
#Brewers and #SFGiants in agreement on significant trade, sources tell The Athletic. Mauricio Dubon to San Francisco.
Can't wait. Wow. Has to be pretty significant. Could be a combo or relievers too. Something like that.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2019, 01:22:11 PM
Bumgarner?
Robert Murray @ByRobertMurray
#Brewers and #SFGiants in agreement on significant trade, sources tell The Athletic. Mauricio Dubon to San Francisco.
Drew Pomeranz.
Terrible. I'd assume there has to be more coming back to Milwaukee.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 31, 2019, 01:28:07 PM
Drew Pomeranz.
Terrible. I'd assume there has to be more coming back to Milwaukee.
Yikes
Pomeranz and Ray Black. Seems like a lot to give up for those guys.
Quote from: buckchuckler on July 31, 2019, 01:32:54 PM
Pomeranz and Ray Black. Seems like a lot to give up for those guys.
Sure does. Pomeranz has been great since moving to the bullpen. A whopping 5.1 inning sample size. The Brewers love themselves very average pitching this season. Stearns is just gathering up every pitcher with a 4.50-6.00 ERA.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 31, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
Sure does. Pomeranz has been great since moving to the bullpen. A whopping 5.1 inning sample size. The Brewers love themselves very average pitching this season. Stearns is just gathering up every pitcher with a 4.50-6.00 ERA.
That's really bad.
@sabermetrics
Among 153 pitchers with at least 150 IP in the last two seasons, Drew Pomeranz's ERA ranks 152nd (5.87).
@sabermetrics
Pomeranz has also allowed the...
Highest OPS
Highest BAbip
Second-highest BA
Second-highest OBP
Seventh-highest SLG
Ray Black has to be the real target here, right? He's under team control through 2025 (not sure how as he's 29, without doing much looking I think he's just been hurt all the time?) and can hit 100 on the gun. If he can stay anything close to healthy, he might be an asset in the bullpen for a long time... but your #3 prospect still seems like a lot of risk for what is already the worst ranked farm system in baseball. There is value in volume, and the Brewers are are running on empty.
Is Dubron really that much of a prospect? He's doing well at AAA no doubt, but he's 25 and older than Arcia. And with Arcia still not hitting arbitration, and Hiura locked in at second for the next half-decade, there was not much room for him in Milwaukee.
Of course that doesn't mean this is a good trade. I just don't know if the Brewers really thought Dubron had much of a future here.
Castellanos just left the on-deck circle.
Castellanos to Cubs.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on July 31, 2019, 02:39:52 PM
Is Dubron really that much of a prospect? He's doing well at AAA no doubt, but he's 25 and older than Arcia. And with Arcia still not hitting arbitration, and Hiura locked in at second for the next half-decade, there was not much room for him in Milwaukee.
Of course that doesn't mean this is a good trade. I just don't know if the Brewers really thought Dubron had much of a future here.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 31, 2019, 02:28:04 PM
Ray Black has to be the real target here, right? He's under team control through 2025 (not sure how as he's 29, without doing much looking I think he's just been hurt all the time?) and can hit 100 on the gun. If he can stay anything close to healthy, he might be an asset in the bullpen for a long time... but your #3 prospect still seems like a lot of risk for what is already the worst ranked farm system in baseball. There is value in volume, and the Brewers are are running on empty.
I think you guys may have hit on it. Pomeranz is strictly a rental to get a few turns in the rotation. He'll be gone next year. Black is under control for what amounts to the rest of his career. And Dubon was totally blocked. Now whether getting more was possible, we'll never know. But obviously Stearns didn't think so.
Astros acquire Greinke.
WC winner gets Verlander, Cole, Greinke. Fun.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2019, 03:33:29 PM
Astros acquire Greinke.
WC winner gets Verlander, Cole, Greinke. Fun.
Yeah, the Rays made a lot of moves for a possible one game playoff where if they win they get the Astros. Rough path.
Carl Edwards, Jr. to Padres.
I am so jealous of the Astros front office. They pulled off, what 3 trades, and 2 pretty big ones (with ARI and TOR) just before the deadline, all the while Rick Hahn sat on his butt watching Shark Week reruns.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 31, 2019, 04:08:07 PM
Carl Edwards, Jr. to Padres.
Hope the change of scenery helps. Think he's a pretty good pitcher, but he just lost it as of late.
Astros move on from Kuechel and essentially replace him with Greinke. Lost McCullers to injury for the year, and replaced him with Miley. Grienke, Verlander, Cole with Miley in the wings is a pretty brutal crew to face in the playoffs.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2019, 03:33:29 PM
Astros acquire Greinke.
WC winner gets Verlander, Cole, Greinke. Fun.
Strikes me as a very good deal for both sides. Stros have a devastating playoff rotation and certainly have to be the favorites now. Meanwhile the D-Backs got some very good prospects back (#3, #4, #5 and #22 in the Stros very good system) and given Greinke's age and contract, probably sold him at the peak of his value.
Quote from: buckchuckler on July 31, 2019, 04:21:23 PM
I am so jealous of the Astros front office. They pulled off, what 3 trades, and 2 pretty big ones (with ARI and TOR) just before the deadline, all the while Rick Hahn sat on his butt watching Shark Week reruns.
Well, he did manage to squeeze more than a bucket of sunflower seeds in return for Nate Jones, so it's not all bad.
I'm OK with the Sox not making moves. The only assets that might fetch a decent return (Abreu, Colome) fill needs in 2020 and can be brought back at a reasonable price.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 31, 2019, 05:18:09 PM
Strikes me as a very good deal for both sides. Stros have a devastating playoff rotation and certainly have to be the favorites now. Meanwhile the D-Backs got some very good prospects back (#3, #4, #5 and #22 in the Stros very good system) and given Greinke's age and contract, probably sold him at the peak of his value.
I was a bit underwhelmed by the DBacks' return. The only top 100 overall prospect is Beer (ranked #100) and he may not have a major league fielding tool ... which is problematic in the National League.
Bukauskas has struggled in AA and projects as a reliever at this point. Martin just had TJ.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2019, 05:25:46 PM
Well, he did manage to squeeze more than a bucket of sunflower seeds in return for Nate Jones, so it's not all bad.
I'm OK with the Sox not making moves. The only assets that might fetch a decent return (Abreu, Colome) fill needs in 2020 and can be brought back at a reasonable price.
Eh, they also traded international slot money that they could have used to bring in better prospects than they acquired in this trade. How they managed this year's international signing period, with essentially two years of focus to dedicate to it, was atrocious. A complete indictment on the competence of this front office at best, at worst an unwillingness to invest in what is likely the most important blood line for a franchise.
Though you're right, they didn't have much to trade, not sure why Colome wasn't moved. I would have gladly moved Fry and Leury as well, for the right deal obviously, no reason to give either away. Castillo and Jay should have been given away as they serve no purpose with this franchise either. They are better off giving the reps to Zavala, Collins or Yermin.
The fact that they had nothing worthwhile to trade, is another strike against the front office. They haven't been able to identify guys that would have any value at the trade deadline any further than getting guys from the back end of the Brewers top 30 in the last 2 seasons, and literally nothing this year.
Oh, and a 22 year old in the DSL is about sunflower seed value anyways.
Quote from: buckchuckler on July 31, 2019, 05:37:56 PM
Eh, they also traded international slot money that they could have used to bring in better prospects than they acquired in this trade. How they managed this year's international signing period, with essentially two years of focus to dedicate to it, was atrocious. A complete indictment on the competence of this front office at best, at worst an unwillingness to invest in what is likely the most important blood line for a franchise.
The front office that paid the second largest-ever international bonus (and corresponding penalty for a total of $52 million) for a player is unwilling to invest in the international market?
That doesn't seem like a fair assessment.
And it's probably a stretch to suggest they could have brought in better prospects for $1 million in international bonus pool money.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2019, 05:49:38 PM
The front office that paid the second largest-ever international bonus (and corresponding penalty for a total of $52 million) for a player is unwilling to invest in the international market?
That doesn't seem like a fair assessment.
And it's probably a stretch to suggest they could have brought in better prospects for $1 million in international bonus pool money.
Ok. Robert. Yes. So they invested in the international market once? Maybe you could say Adolfo too, so twice. Robert was certainly a special case though. And because of Robert, while they were on the sidelines for 2 years, what were they doing? Obviously not scouting and building relationships with top prospects. Where are the other impact signings from the international market in the last 20 years? Since Magglio and Carlos Lee, they haven't really hit on anyone. (OK Abreu too, but again, kind of a special case since he was much more of a known commodity than a typical international signing.)
Seems like the Sox probably traded 1.4, which is about what they reportedly had left over, this year, 11 of the guys on the top 30 signed for less than 1.4. Not to mention there are always good players that sign for far less than that. For example, Fernando Tatis Jr., he signed for 500K.
The Sox had the same pool as the Yankees, and the Sox signed 6 guys. The Yankees signed 14, including the number 1 guy. Out of the same pool money, which team do you think will get more players, and more impact players? Gee, I wonder. They had the same pool as the Cubs, and the Cubs got 2 of the top 10. The Sox, you got it, 0. They had the same pool as the Rangers, who signed number 3 and 16. The Rangers needed more pool money to get the signings done, which is why their front office took on a bad contract (Jones) to acquire more pool money to be able to sign a better prospect.
The Sox traded a useful asset to clear bad money --- a little of it-- from their books instead of adding something to the future of their franchise. The Rangers took on an undesirable asset to add a risky, but strong asset to the future of their organization.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2019, 05:31:04 PM
I was a bit underwhelmed by the DBacks' return. The only top 100 overall prospect is Beer (ranked #100) and he may not have a major league fielding tool ... which is problematic in the National League.
Bukauskas has struggled in AA and projects as a reliever at this point. Martin just had TJ.
The Dbacks will pay the Astros $24 million against the $53 million due him next two years.
Rankings looked strong but this really cleared out 4 kids who were not getting up for at least the next two years. Especially Agree on the pitchers . Martin was local kid had nice 1st start then lost confidence sent back down blew the arm and is recovering from Tommy John. Buka will be nice middle reliever maybe in 3 years. Roja is at best a utility in a few years .Beer needs new path to bigs with someone else
What I see ironic here is we traded for a 35 yr old highly skilled curveballer who we'll pay $30 million over next two years....Sound familiar Astros fans?
Yep we could have signed our own Charlie Morton, age 35, who signed at $30 mill for two years with the Rays. Their numbers are comparable.
Sometimes ..."you dont know what you got till its gone".
To me this why Stros must bite bullet and re-sign Cole in 2019 FA It may cost more to replace him than to simply pay the FA $....especially as Cole has lots of good years ahead. Go OLU
Trevor Bauer still in full on enigma mode. Showed up at Progressive Field to just watch the game as a fan.
Then gave a fairly profound and self aware answer in an impromptu press conference after
https://twitter.com/davidkinderii/status/1156740526735015936?s=21
Indians have their prize in the trade getting in melee's and defending his teammates after being traded. And the Reds have theirs clearly not in a hurry to leave Cleveland and get after it in Cincy. Odd all around
Quote from: buckchuckler on July 31, 2019, 06:12:02 PM
Ok. Robert. Yes. So they invested in the international market once? Maybe you could say Adolfo too, so twice. Robert was certainly a special case though. And because of Robert, while they were on the sidelines for 2 years, what were they doing? Obviously not scouting and building relationships with top prospects. Where are the other impact signings from the international market in the last 20 years? Since Magglio and Carlos Lee, they haven't really hit on anyone. (OK Abreu too, but again, kind of a special case since he was much more of a known commodity than a typical international signing.)
Seems like the Sox probably traded 1.4, which is about what they reportedly had left over, this year, 11 of the guys on the top 30 signed for less than 1.4. Not to mention there are always good players that sign for far less than that. For example, Fernando Tatis Jr., he signed for 500K.
The Sox had the same pool as the Yankees, and the Sox signed 6 guys. The Yankees signed 14, including the number 1 guy. Out of the same pool money, which team do you think will get more players, and more impact players? Gee, I wonder. They had the same pool as the Cubs, and the Cubs got 2 of the top 10. The Sox, you got it, 0. They had the same pool as the Rangers, who signed number 3 and 16. The Rangers needed more pool money to get the signings done, which is why their front office took on a bad contract (Jones) to acquire more pool money to be able to sign a better prospect.
The Sox traded a useful asset to clear bad money --- a little of it-- from their books instead of adding something to the future of their franchise. The Rangers took on an undesirable asset to add a risky, but strong asset to the future of their organization.
All of this. It will gather no attention, but underneath the surface, the Nate Jones trade reeks on numerous levels. Also, there are good players still to be declared as free agents forthcoming. This trade was all about immediate salary dump and future salary savings.
https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1157009581551378433?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1157009581551378433?s=20)
But I was told the nets would keep awesome catches in the stands from happening?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 30, 2019, 09:46:54 PM
Well Cubs manager Joe Maddon went after Clint Hurdle a few weeks ago.
This time it's Reds manager David Bell.
https://twitter.com/sinow/status/1156392561474527238?s=21
Also that's former Marquette opponent Amir Garrett on the mound landing a few haymakers.
i can't believe garrett only got 8 games...i would have doubled it at least
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 01, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1157009581551378433?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1157009581551378433?s=20)
But I was told the nets would keep awesome catches in the stands from happening?
But where's the danger of him crashing into those seats? Clearly not the same thing, duh!
Quote from: MUDish on August 01, 2019, 12:25:56 AM
All of this. It will gather no attention, but underneath the surface, the Nate Jones trade reeks on numerous levels. Also, there are good players still to be declared as free agents forthcoming. This trade was all about immediate salary dump and future salary savings.
http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2019/07/white-sox-prioritize-savings-in-strange-deadline-trade/
http://www.leeelia.com/elia_tirade.html
chicago's own manager sums up cubs fans perfectly.
Quote from: WithoutBias on August 02, 2019, 09:12:21 AM
http://www.leeelia.com/elia_tirade.html
chicago's own manager sums up cubs fans perfectly.
OMG!!! Crazy!!! Where did you get that?
Quote from: WithoutBias on August 02, 2019, 09:12:21 AM
http://www.leeelia.com/elia_tirade.html
chicago's own manager sums up cubs fans perfectly.
They then finished 20 games below 500. Really showed them up.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 01, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1157009581551378433?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1157009581551378433?s=20)
But I was told the nets would keep awesome catches in the stands from happening?
Great catch. The nets, however, will prevent catches a row or two into foul territory, but will give Bartmans cover from screwing up again. >:(
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on August 02, 2019, 09:29:27 AM
OMG!!! Crazy!!! Where did you get that?
This was quite the story back then. Elia was a joke, hothead, and mentally not strong in my opinion. Not managerial material.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/05/30/Chicago-Cubs-manager-Lee-Elia-nearly-fired-a-month/8213423115200/
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 01, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1157009581551378433?s=20 (https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1157009581551378433?s=20)
But I was told the nets would keep awesome catches in the stands from happening?
Incredibly lame attempt. I said catches in the stands as in catching a ball that now will be over the net, which is exactly what will be prevented. A great bunch of examples here....gone. Meanwhile, nets don't go up in the outfield....until they do.....put the nets to the dug out, measure the hot zones, there is ZERO reason to make them go to the foul poles. The heat zones will show that. Absolute over rotation.
EVERY damn one of these catches below is way better than that soft toss nonsense you just put up. I was at one of these games. Wait until the nets injure a player, and they will.
https://www.youtube.com/v/FWH8R2muvuw&t=2s
Quote from: Cheeks on August 03, 2019, 01:51:43 PM
Incredibly lame attempt. I said catches in the stands as in catching a ball that now will be over the net, which is exactly what will be prevented. A great bunch of examples here....gone. Meanwhile, nets don't go up in the outfield....until they do.....put the nets to the dug out, measure the hot zones, there is ZERO reason to make them go to the foul poles. The heat zones will show that. Absolute over rotation.
EVERY damn one of these catches below is way better than that soft toss nonsense you just put up. I was at one of these games. Wait until the nets injure a player, and they will.
https://www.youtube.com/v/FWH8R2muvuw&t=2s
Has a catcher been injured by the nets yet? With the extended netting now has any player been hurt? Genuinely asking.
If that's the biggest loss of putting up nets so be it. As a fan, that's a tradeoff I'd be glad to make to not have a screamer coming at me in those sections. If that makes me less of a man, fine. I'm guessing most players would too when looking at the reactions of a hot shot or bat going in the stands.
It was a fine catch, and the net being there seemed to make it even better.
Hockey used to be "better" when the players didn't wear helmets. Baseball used to be "better" when there were collisions at the plate every other game. Football used to be "better" when players were celebrated for giving each other life-threatening concussions. Arguments about the great things the nets supposedly will prevent ... complete silliness.
The nets will save injuries and maybe even a few lives. They have not hurt the game one iota. Not one iota. It's a total no-brainer and only a matter of time before every ballpark has 'em from foul pole to foul pole.
I do look forward to some knuckleheads blaming them for attendance going down, ratings going down, etc ... because that wasn't happening at all before the nets went up.
Quote from: Cheeks on August 03, 2019, 01:51:43 PM
Incredibly lame attempt. I said catches in the stands as in catching a ball that now will be over the net, which is exactly what will be prevented. A great bunch of examples here....gone. Meanwhile, nets don't go up in the outfield....until they do.....put the nets to the dug out, measure the hot zones, there is ZERO reason to make them go to the foul poles. The heat zones will show that. Absolute over rotation.
EVERY damn one of these catches below is way better than that soft toss nonsense you just put up. I was at one of these games. Wait until the nets injure a player, and they will.
https://www.youtube.com/v/FWH8R2muvuw&t=2s
Ya the nets are more likely to injure someone then say a chair, the concrete, or the bodies crashing into each other. ::)
Most trade deadline talk centered on Astros getting Zach Greinke.
Well ...tonight was Astros Hall of fame night....16 in this first class...the plan is to add 2 or so each year. So...with Mike Scott , Nolan Ryan, JR Richard in the house we
turn to our relatively unnoticed acquisitions from Toronto ..
Starting new guy Aaron Sanchez .....he tosses 6 innings of no hit ball then
new guy Joe Biagini adds 1 inning no hit
and two Astros Harris and Devinski help finish a 4 pitcher no hitter.
Hitting was pretty good too...15 hits 9-0 final
Astros Hall of Fame night indeed!
Next up, starters: Verlander Grienke Cole Miley Sanchez
Their pitcher will face:
G. SpringerCF 3 1 0 0 1 .295
J. Altuve2B 5 3 2 1 0 .304
M. BrantleyLF 5 2 3 4 0 .320
A. Bregman3B 5 0 2 2 0 .264
Y. AlvarezDH 5 0 2 1 0 .338
C. CorreaSS 5 1 2 0 0 .288
Y. Gurriel1B 4 0 1 1 0 .295
M. MaldonadoC 3 1 1 0 1 .219
J. ReddickRF 4 0 1 0 0 .275
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 03, 2019, 04:24:57 PM
Ya the nets are more likely to injure someone then say a chair, the concrete, or the bodies crashing into each other. ::)
Who said anything about "more likely", but it will. End of the day, typical knee jerk reaction and total over rotation. Look at the heatmaps, there ZERO reason to put it to the foul poles. NONE.
Give credit to the Cubs, of course, but it sure seems the Brew Crew rolled over and played dead.
I never really thought Chicos and Warrior Dad were the same person but you are the only two who think there shouldn't be nets...
Quote from: Cheeks on August 04, 2019, 06:24:50 PM
End of the day, typical knee jerk reaction and total over rotation. Look at the heatmaps, there ZERO reason to put it to the foul poles. NONE.
So true. MLB ought to have waited at least another century before making such a rash decision
Interesting stat: This could be the year that the National League has no complete game pitcher. The American League only has one so far. Oh, how the game has changed.
https://www.baseball-almanac.com/pitching/picomg4.shtml
I say this as my Yankees seem to be throwing 2 or 3 pitchers at their opponents every game. Seems like the Astros and Dodgers are the only teams with good starters.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 05, 2019, 07:25:41 AM
Interesting stat: This could be the year that the National League has no complete game pitcher. The American League only has one so far. Oh, how the game has changed.
https://www.baseball-almanac.com/pitching/picomg4.shtml
I say this as my Yankees seem to be throwing 2 or 3 pitchers at their opponents every game. Seems like the Astros and Dodgers are the only teams with good starters.
Wow, thanks for posting. I hadn't been paying that close attention to complete games. I knew complete games were rare, but I figured we were still getting about one a week (1 every 100 games or so). Baseball has changed so much. Not sure it is for the better. I find three true outcome baseball accompanied by a parade of relievers less compelling to watch than any other form of the game.
Which is why I am in support of the three-batter minimum rule for relievers.
Reliever starts 7th inning. Batter steps out after every pitch, taking borderline pitches, fouling off 2-strike pitches, eventually striking out, walking, grounding out into the shift or homering. Manager sends catcher out to the mound. Dithers until umpire goes out. Manager then slowly saunters out to the mound. Dithers until umpire goes out. Manager signals for reliever, who jogs in from the bullpen. Digs at the mound for a minute before taking warm-up pitches. Repeat of previous pitcher/batter battle ensues, perhaps with catcher going out to the mound once or twice.
Then the same happens with the next batter. And then the other team does the same in the bottom of the inning. Then more pitching changes for both teams in the 8th inning. The closer comes on in the 9th, but the long battles continue.
This situation repeats game after game, week after week, month after month. Frankly, I'm surprised attendance and TV ratings aren't down more than they already are.
There's a few reasons I support foul pole to foul pole.
- consistent from stadium to stadium
- I assume it's easiest to just attach the net to the foul pole in most stadiums
- All foul territory is behind a net for consistency in game play.
Quote from: MU82 on August 05, 2019, 08:55:51 AM
Reliever starts 7th inning. Batter steps out after every pitch, taking borderline pitches, fouling off 2-strike pitches, eventually striking out, walking, grounding out into the shift or homering. Manager sends catcher out to the mound. Dithers until umpire goes out. Manager then slowly saunters out to the mound. Dithers until umpire goes out. Manager signals for reliever, who jogs in from the bullpen. Digs at the mound for a minute before taking warm-up pitches. Repeat of previous pitcher/batter battle ensues, perhaps with catcher going out to the mound once or twice.
Then the same happens with the next batter. And then the other team does the same in the bottom of the inning. Then more pitching changes for both teams in the 8th inning. The closer comes on in the 9th, but the long battles continue.
This situation repeats game after game, week after week, month after month. Frankly, I'm surprised attendance and TV ratings aren't down more than they already are.
Should have plenty of time to oogle the sideline reporters den, aina?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 05, 2019, 07:25:41 AM
Interesting stat: This could be the year that the National League has no complete game pitcher. The American League only has one so far. Oh, how the game has changed.
https://www.baseball-almanac.com/pitching/picomg4.shtml
I say this as my Yankees seem to be throwing 2 or 3 pitchers at their opponents every game. Seems like the Astros and Dodgers are the only teams with good starters.
I just looked it up. There is something wrong with that reference. In the NL, Walker Buehler (LAD) and Zach Eflin (PHI) both have 2 complete games and 13 other guys have 1. In the AL, Shane Bieber has 3, three guys have 2 and 9 other guys have 1.
From The Athletic regarding Yu Darvish. He's finally healthy and this is the guys the Cubs paid for.
Since May 15, Darvish has a 29.2 percent strikeout rate and a mere 5 percent walk rate. Over that period, among NL starters, only Max Scherzer, Jacob deGrom and Walker Buehler have a larger gap between their strikeout and walk percentages. His 89 1/3 innings pitched during that time is topped only by Aaron Nola, German Márquez and Partick Corbin.
Quote from: CTWarrior on August 05, 2019, 11:24:16 AM
I just looked it up. There is something wrong with that reference. In the NL, Walker Buehler (LAD) and Zach Eflin (PHI) both have 2 complete games and 13 other guys have 1. In the AL, Shane Bieber has 3, three guys have 2 and 9 other guys have 1.
Thanks for the correction, but I thought everything on the internet is true.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on August 05, 2019, 10:33:15 AM
Should have plenty of time to oogle the sideline reporters den, aina?
Yes, I suppose you would, oona?
Someone must've broken an unwritten rule with the players weekend jerseys the past couple years because the new ones suck
http://news.sportslogos.net/2019/08/06/black-and-white-uniforms-across-mlb-for-players-weekend-2019/ (http://news.sportslogos.net/2019/08/06/black-and-white-uniforms-across-mlb-for-players-weekend-2019/)
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 06, 2019, 01:06:47 PM
Someone must've broken an unwritten rule with the players weekend jerseys the past couple years because the new ones suck
http://news.sportslogos.net/2019/08/06/black-and-white-uniforms-across-mlb-for-players-weekend-2019/ (http://news.sportslogos.net/2019/08/06/black-and-white-uniforms-across-mlb-for-players-weekend-2019/)
Never underestimate MLB's ability to whitewash its lone display of spontaneity and personality
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 06, 2019, 01:06:47 PM
Someone must've broken an unwritten rule with the players weekend jerseys the past couple years because the new ones suck
http://news.sportslogos.net/2019/08/06/black-and-white-uniforms-across-mlb-for-players-weekend-2019/ (http://news.sportslogos.net/2019/08/06/black-and-white-uniforms-across-mlb-for-players-weekend-2019/)
The players weekend uniforms have always stunk. The Fourth of July, Father's Day, and Mother's Day stuff are all pretty awesome but the players weekend stuff reminds me of some little league uniforms. They just do one weekend where teams can choose any uniform from the ballclub's history to wear.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 06, 2019, 01:36:17 PM
Never underestimate MLB's ability to whitewash its lone display of spontaneity and personality
I saw a theory that they went all white and all black so players can wear crazy accessories (shoes, socks, sleeves, gloves, necklaces, etc.) that will stand out.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 06, 2019, 01:58:52 PM
The players weekend uniforms have always stunk. The Fourth of July, Father's Day, and Mother's Day stuff are all pretty awesome but the players weekend stuff reminds me of some little league uniforms. They just do one weekend where teams can choose any uniform from the ballclub's history to wear.
I think the point was to make it look like the LLWS uniforms. I also saw it was to make their accessories stand out. I have to imagine the sales of hats and jerseys will be pretty low this year.
Regarding the complete game discussion. It's still amazing that the White Sox went four straight complete games in the 2005 ALCS. That was semi-recently and in today's MLB would never happen again in a postseason.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on August 05, 2019, 12:00:25 PM
From The Athletic regarding Yu Darvish. He's finally healthy and this is the guys the Cubs paid for.
Since May 15, Darvish has a 29.2 percent strikeout rate and a mere 5 percent walk rate. Over that period, among NL starters, only Max Scherzer, Jacob deGrom and Walker Buehler have a larger gap between their strikeout and walk percentages. His 89 1/3 innings pitched during that time is topped only by Aaron Nola, German Márquez and Partick Corbin.
The flip side here is Jon Lester. His last 15 starts he has a 5.98 ERA with a WHIP of 1.54
Quote from: buckchuckler on August 06, 2019, 10:24:12 PM
The flip side here is Jon Lester. His last 15 starts he has a 5.98 ERA with a WHIP of 1.54
I trust that includes the 1,499 runs he allowed tonight ...
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2019, 10:28:45 PM
I trust that includes the 1,499 runs he allowed tonight ...
Yeah, it was ugly before tonight, but tonight was an exclamation point.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 06, 2019, 03:28:50 PM
I think the point was to make it look like the LLWS uniforms. I also saw it was to make their accessories stand out. I have to imagine the sales of hats and jerseys will be pretty low this year.
These all black-and-white jerseys will sell. That's why they're doing it.
$$$$$$$$$black + white = green
Quote from: BrewCity83 on August 07, 2019, 09:05:42 AM
These all black-and-white jerseys will sell. That's why they're doing it. $$$$$$$$$
black + white = green
We have a bingo
Quote from: buckchuckler on August 06, 2019, 10:47:37 PM
Yeah, it was ugly before tonight, but tonight was an exclamation point.
He actually had a 2.77 ERA in July so his last two starts have really skewed it. He seems to go through these stretches now that he's a bit older but I'm confident he'll work through it.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on August 07, 2019, 12:25:44 PM
He actually had a 2.77 ERA in July so his last two starts have really skewed it. He seems to go through these stretches now that he's a bit older but I'm confident he'll work through it.
Even dropping out last night's start, his ERA over the previous 14 is 5.15 with an OPS allowed of .843. Dropping out the last 2, it is still 4.90 over the previous 13, with an .844 OPS allowed.
That being said, I think you'd still feel pretty confident in Lester once the postseason starts.
Lucroy to Cubs.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 07, 2019, 02:42:32 PM
Lucroy to Cubs.
That's going to be a painful sight. I feel that's a pretty nice pickup for the Cubs at this stage of the game.
While it is a good pick up considering the options, he's nowhere near what he was.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 07, 2019, 02:56:43 PM
While it is a good pick up considering the options, he's nowhere near what he was.
He's not going to be a game changer, but its decent depth. The Maldonado trade was great, cause the potential versatility of Kemp outweighs Maldonado's benefit as a backup. Lucroy isn't that good anymore, but he's not much worse than him. Hey, he used to be the best pitch framer in baseball, maybe he can teach Contreras some of his ways.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 07, 2019, 05:21:55 PM
He's not going to be a game changer, but its decent depth. The Maldonado trade was great, cause the potential versatility of Kemp outweighs Maldonado's benefit as a backup. Lucroy isn't that good anymore, but he's not much worse than him. Hey, he used to be the best pitch framer in baseball, maybe he can teach Contreras some of his ways.
Once willy is back it's probably bye bye to lucroy
Maybe Lucroy can do for the Cubs what Jim Edmonds did in 2008, Kenny Lofton did in 2003 and Gary Gaetti did in 1998. Probably not ... but maybe.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 07, 2019, 07:06:45 PM
Once willy is back it's probably bye bye to lucroy
This seems right to me, but a solid depth move during his absence. Anyone who can catch at all has value.
Except.probably Wellington Castillo
Quote from: buckchuckler on August 07, 2019, 02:20:58 PM
Even dropping out last night's start, his ERA over the previous 14 is 5.15 with an OPS allowed of .843. Dropping out the last 2, it is still 4.90 over the previous 13, with an .844 OPS allowed.
That being said, I think you'd still feel pretty confident in Lester once the postseason starts.
Good stats. I do expect his numbers to be there by the end of the season. He's shown a knack of correcting any issues he has.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 07, 2019, 07:06:45 PM
Once willy is back it's probably bye bye to lucroy
Considering Willson won't be back until after rosters expand I think Lucroy is likely here to stay.
Having a backup like Caratini is a nice luxury. That was a solid trade for the Cubs.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 07, 2019, 05:21:55 PM
He's not going to be a game changer, but its decent depth. The Maldonado trade was great, cause the potential versatility of Kemp outweighs Maldonado's benefit as a backup. Lucroy isn't that good anymore, but he's not much worse than him. Hey, he used to be the best pitch framer in baseball, maybe he can teach Contreras some of his ways.
This was good trade for both teams
Kemp is very versatile can play infield and outfield He is very good upbeat guy but Astros had no options on him and his bat couldn't crack our daily lineup. We had Maldonado here before and he was upgrade over Matt Stassi (we sent Stassi to Dodgers for a prospect) Maldi has esp good defense and worked with our pitchers before Both teams upgraded backup quality at the positions Hope Kemp does great for Cubbies Astros like Maldi
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 07, 2019, 02:42:32 PM
Lucroy to Cubs.
He sucked for the Halos all year and I am big Lucroy fan....his defense was really poor this year...maybe he can turn it around.
White Sox and Yankees will play next year at the "Field of Dreams" ballfield in Iowa.
That's kinda cool. Hopefully in old-timey unis.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 08, 2019, 12:27:42 PM
White Sox and Yankees will play next year at the "Field of Dreams" ballfield in Iowa.
That's kinda cool. Hopefully in old-timey unis.
Very cool! Love it!
https://youtu.be/7SB16il97yw
It would better if they played on the actual field.
Quote from: PTM on August 08, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
It would better if they played on the actual field.
Whats the corn out, 250, 275?
Quote from: PTM on August 08, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
It would better if they played on the actual field.
Also would be better if James Earl Jones called the game.
Quote from: buckchuckler on August 08, 2019, 03:23:41 PM
Also would be better if James Earl Jones called the game.
As Mr. Mertle.
Latest on attendance and movement to smaller ballparks.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2019/08/08/mlb-attendance-stadiums-future/1941614001/
Quote from: Cheeks on August 09, 2019, 08:23:34 AM
Latest on attendance and movement to smaller ballparks.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2019/08/08/mlb-attendance-stadiums-future/1941614001/
That's a good read.
The new Yankee and Mets stadiums decreased capacity from their original location.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on August 09, 2019, 08:40:12 AM
That's a good read.
The new Yankee and Mets stadiums decreased capacity from their original location.
Several years go the Indians reduced capacity by 5,000 seats. The majority of they upper deck in right field was replaced with signs (retired numbers, banners, advertisements). It "looked" like it was removable, so I figured they'd re-open those seats if they needed them, but they weren't opened for the WS or the AS Game. I honestly don't know if there are still seats under there. Here are images showing the difference:
(http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/Photos/ProgressiveField_from_LF_pan.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk0ll9IWwAEZNns?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/9Kcnu8iuTyN1YPkrgZTUiJZBGM0=/0x0:5277x3518/1200x800/filters:focal(2217x1337:3061x2181)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64740242/1154829658.jpg.0.jpg)
77 games ... 39-for-239 (.163 average) ... .495 OPS ... 4 HR ... 19 RBI ... 98 K.
Tim Tebow is arguably the worst hitter in all of organized baseball, and definitely in the top two levels of the game.
I knew he was having a bad year, but a friend showed me those stats, and ... Yikes!
But hey, I'm sure he's still selling a few jerseys, so that's cool.
Quote from: MU82 on August 09, 2019, 10:16:20 PM
77 games ... 39-for-239 (.163 average) ... .495 OPS ... 4 HR ... 19 RBI ... 98 K.
Tim Tebow is arguably the worst hitter in all of organized baseball, and definitely in the top two levels of the game.
I knew he was having a bad year, but a friend showed me those stats, and ... Yikes!
But hey, I'm sure he's still selling a few jerseys, so that's cool.
Can the NBA be far behind? A poor man's Derrick Wilson?
Quote from: MU82 on August 09, 2019, 10:16:20 PM
77 games ... 39-for-239 (.163 average) ... .495 OPS ... 4 HR ... 19 RBI ... 98 K.
Tim Tebow is arguably the worst hitter in all of organized baseball, and definitely in the top two levels of the game.
I knew he was having a bad year, but a friend showed me those stats, and ... Yikes!
But hey, I'm sure he's still selling a few jerseys, so that's cool.
I'd take him over Travis Shaw this year
Quote from: MU82 on August 09, 2019, 10:16:20 PM
77 games ... 39-for-239 (.163 average) ... .495 OPS ... 4 HR ... 19 RBI ... 98 K.
Tim Tebow is arguably the worst hitter in all of organized baseball, and definitely in the top two levels of the game.
I knew he was having a bad year, but a friend showed me those stats, and ... Yikes!
But hey, I'm sure he's still selling a few jerseys, so that's cool.
While everyone on a minor league roster has dreams of making the big leagues, the parent clubs know that most of the guys there are just practice fodder for the few who are actually good enough to get a shot at the highest level. Using up a roster spot and playing time on a scrub like Tebow is nothing to the Mets if there's a chance it might put more butts in the seats and make everyone a little more money.
I'm not defending his being there, but I understand why he is (and not saying you don't). Hell, I'd go see him if I had the chance, just to say I did it.
Quote from: The Deane Team on August 10, 2019, 08:26:23 AM
I'd take him over Travis Shaw this year
Was thinking the same thing. What the hell happened there?
Quote from: MU82 on August 09, 2019, 10:16:20 PM
77 games ... 39-for-239 (.163 average) ... .495 OPS ... 4 HR ... 19 RBI ... 98 K.
Tim Tebow is arguably the worst hitter in all of organized baseball, and definitely in the top two levels of the game.
I knew he was having a bad year, but a friend showed me those stats, and ... Yikes!
But hey, I'm sure he's still selling a few jerseys, so that's cool.
I won the bet for how soon the atheist would target the Christian ball player.
Arguably the Worst in all of organized baseball...Mike is lying again...there's a shock. Google can be your friend and a simple search of minor league baseball stats show's how ridiculous your claims are.
Sooooo, changing the subject.
Nobody, but nobody calls a walk off better than Uke. Someday we'll lose him. And life will be a little more drab.
Quote from: Cheeks on August 10, 2019, 11:08:39 AM
I won the bet for how soon the atheist would target the Christian ball player.
Arguably the Worst in all of organized baseball...Mike is lying again...there's a shock. Google can be your friend and a simple search of minor league baseball stats show's how ridiculous your claims are.
His religion has nothing to do with it, snowflake. Tebow is one of the most over-hyped athletes (as a pro) of an entire generation, and his baseball statistics are eye-poppingly bad.
He was a hell of a college football player, great leader at the college level, fine color commentator. He was a terrible NFL quarterback, and he is an even worse hitter. Was I guilty of hyperbole? Perhaps ... but if so I wasn't off by much. I'd be curious to see the names of 3 everyday ballplayers with worse all-around stats this season.
You accused me of "mocking Christians" in another thread, which was a lie. A few Christians here, most notably you, do take cheap shots at the atheist Scoopers constantly, though. There is even one yahoo who constantly wishes them Merry Xmas, believe it or not! But we're not snowflakes, so we don't call y'all out every time -- although we do occasionally point out that we have facts, truth and science on our side.
Have a nice weekend.
Christians who mock atheists should probably read the Bible more.
Quote from: jsglow on August 10, 2019, 12:19:31 PM
Sooooo, changing the subject.
Nobody, but nobody calls a walk off better than Uke. Someday we'll lose him. And life will be a little more drab.
Hoping they can get a little hot like this time last year. If my memory serves me right, the bullpen wasn't really imposing until late in the year last year. Winning ugly is still winning.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 10, 2019, 12:57:04 PM
Hoping they can get a little hot like this time last year. If my memory serves me right, the bullpen wasn't really imposing until late in the year last year. Winning ugly is still winning.
There's definitely still time for the Brewers.
So far this season, it seems, whichever team has a good week can surge into first place, at least temporarily.
Quote from: MU82 on August 10, 2019, 12:40:33 PM
His religion has nothing to do with it, snowflake. Tebow is one of the most over-hyped athletes (as a pro) of an entire generation, and his baseball statistics are eye-poppingly bad.
He was a hell of a college football player, great leader at the college level, fine color commentator. He was a terrible NFL quarterback, and he is an even worse hitter. Was I guilty of hyperbole? Perhaps ... but if so I wasn't off by much. I'd be curious to see the names of 3 everyday ballplayers with worse all-around stats this season.
You accused me of "mocking Christians" in another thread, which was a lie. A few Christians here, most notably you, do take cheap shots at the atheist Scoopers constantly, though. There is even one yahoo who constantly wishes them Merry Xmas, believe it or not! But we're not snowflakes, so we don't call y'all out every time -- although we do occasionally point out that we have facts, truth and science on our side.
Have a nice weekend.
Based on your numerous anti Tebow screeds over the years, something about him certainly grabs your short hairs. When he does well it is crickets from you, when he doesn't you sure cannot wait to blast him. Lots of athletes don't perform well, but he gets special treatment from you....weird...interesting.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 10, 2019, 12:57:04 PM
Hoping they can get a little hot like this time last year. If my memory serves me right, the bullpen wasn't really imposing until late in the year last year. Winning ugly is still winning.
That would be great and everything and I hope they win the WS but this year feels like Swiss cheese to me. I mean cripes, they had to send Shaw back to the minors again because he's been so crappy. The dude is literally going to be fighting for a job in Phoenix next winter.
here we go again
Quote from: Research Report on August 10, 2019, 10:31:06 AM
While everyone on a minor league roster has dreams of making the big leagues, the parent clubs know that most of the guys there are just practice fodder for the few who are actually good enough to get a shot at the highest level. Using up a roster spot and playing time on a scrub like Tebow is nothing to the Mets if there's a chance it might put more butts in the seats and make everyone a little more money.
I'm not defending his being there, but I understand why he is (and not saying you don't). Hell, I'd go see him if I had the chance, just to say I did it.
I will ignore the political troll, and rather will bring this back to baseball by acknowledging the several good points you make here, RR.
"Using up a roster spot and playing time on a scrub like Tebow is nothing to the Mets if there's a chance it might put more butts in the seats and make everyone a little more money."
That especially was a great point, and it's hard to blame the Mets for using him like that. And I guess Tebow gets to use the Mets, too. And plenty of folks seem to want to see him play, even though he is very, very bad at baseball -- similar to when Jordan played AA ball. So it's a win-win-win.
Do you think he'd want to play at this level again next year, RR? If so, do you think the Mets (or some other franchise) would want to use him that way again? He obviously is not a prospect -- by now, even he must realize it, because he is a smart guy -- but he is an "attraction."
He is an outstanding college football announcer, so part of me wishes he would do what he is so good at, but I suppose that job will always be available to him.
in before the lock :-X
Tebow seems like a good dude. He is taking advantage of the opportunities presented to him. Can't blame him for that.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 10, 2019, 08:20:47 PM
Tebow seems like a good dude. He is taking advantage of the opportunities presented to him. Can't blame him for that.
Agree 100%. He's just not good at baseball.
Jordan Alvarez came up to the Astros in June. He gave the other AL ROY candidates a two month head start but in just 45 games...All of his numbers already surpass theirs.
How good were his first 45 games? Best in MLB history...passing some 1941 rookie named Ted Williams (whose full 1941 rookie season concluded with a .406 BA ...best in last 78 years)
Jordan after 45 games ...51 RBIs...better than the prior bests of:....Teddy (47) Joe Dimaggio (46) and Albert Pujols (46)
Since June 9 call up to Aug 10....Jordans first 62 days in MLB has produced:
GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB AVG OBP SLG OPS
45 167 30 59 14 0 17 51 23 .353 .432 .743 1.175
Please watch this kid hit...its special...
.I have been watching the game since the 60s. I can remember when Tony Oliva was having a huge 1964 rookie year... and Ray Scott (WCCO radio) comparing his numbers as second best to 1941 Ted W.
Many more of us remember rookie Albert Pujols taking the league by storm.
On an Astros team already overloaded this kid actually stands out. He is cant miss TV. This is something special
Why not table the Tebow and all other digressions, prevent a lock risk and PLEASE
....Share your memory of great players you personally saw in minors or at their MLB beginning...
Besides the above...here is one of mine...
Early 70s ....Still cold in the early season bleachers at CS...Announcer intro'd a lanky blond SS in his first MLB game (after only 50-60 games in the minors, total)....my friend says...watch this kid ..."he is going to be special"....yes ....Robin Yount .....ended up being pretty good.
Who do remember at their first starts?
Quote from: jsglow on August 10, 2019, 12:19:31 PM
Sooooo, changing the subject.
Nobody, but nobody calls a walk off better than Uke. Someday we'll lose him. And life will be a little more drab.
+ 5 million. Bob is the best going right now. He's one of a kind.
Quote from: houwarrior on August 10, 2019, 10:53:51 PM
Jordan Alvarez came up to the Astros in June. He gave the other AL ROY candidates a two month head start but in just 45 games...All of his numbers already surpass theirs.
How good were his first 45 games? Best in MLB history...passing some 1941 rookie named Ted Williams (whose full 1941 rookie season concluded with a .406 BA ...best in last 78 years)
Jordan after 45 games ...51 RBIs...better than the prior bests of:....Teddy (47) Joe Dimaggio (46) and Albert Pujols (46)
Since June 9 call up to Aug 10....Jordans first 62 days in MLB has produced:
GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB AVG OBP SLG OPS
45 167 30 59 14 0 17 51 23 .353 .432 .743 1.175
Please watch this kid hit...its special...
.I have been watching the game since the 60s. I can remember when Tony Oliva was having a huge rookie year... and Ray Scott (WCCO radio) comparing his numbers as second best to 1941 Ted W.
Many more of us remember rookie Albert Pujols taking the league by storm.
On an Astros team already overloaded this kid actually stands out. He is cant miss TV.
Why not table the Tebow and all other digressions, prevent a lock risk and PLEASE
....Share your memory of great players you personally saw in minors or at their MLB beginning...
Besides the above...here is one of mine...
Early 70s ....Still cold in the early season bleachers at CS...Announcer intro'd a lanky blond SS in his first MLB game (after only 50-60 games in the minors, total)....my friend says...watch this kid ..."he is going to be special"....yes ....Robin Yount .....ended up being pretty good.
Who do remember at their first starts?
You spelled his name wrong every time.
Quote from: buckchuckler on August 10, 2019, 11:05:26 PM
You spelled his name wrong every time.
Yordan is earning local nicknames quickly....the most common has been "Air Yordan".
that must be stuck in my head and ...hence the reference
I am very sorry for my mistake
Tonite his nickname was given a new twist by reversing letters; they're callin him:
ROYdan as in Rookie of the Year
Quote from: houwarrior on August 10, 2019, 11:18:54 PM
Yordan is earning local nicknames quickly....the most common has been "Air Yordan".
that must be stuck in my head and ...hence the reference
I am very sorry for my mistake
Tonite his nickname was given a new twist by reversing letters; they're callin him:
ROYdan as in Rookie of the Year
Ah. Got it. Sorry!
Quote from: MU82 on August 10, 2019, 12:40:33 PM
His religion has nothing to do with it, snowflake. Tebow is one of the most over-hyped athletes (as a pro) of an entire generation, and his baseball statistics are eye-poppingly bad.
He was a hell of a college football player, great leader at the college level, fine color commentator. He was a terrible NFL quarterback, and he is an even worse hitter. Was I guilty of hyperbole? Perhaps ... but if so I wasn't off by much. I'd be curious to see the names of 3 everyday ballplayers with worse all-around stats this season.
You accused me of "mocking Christians" in another thread, which was a lie. A few Christians here, most notably you, do take cheap shots at the atheist Scoopers constantly, though. There is even one yahoo who constantly wishes them Merry Xmas, believe it or not! But we're not snowflakes, so we don't call y'all out every time -- although we do occasionally point out that we have facts, truth and science on our side.
Have a nice weekend.
Nads, no one here honestly gives 2 chits whether or not you're Jewish, Muslim, Christian, worship frogs, or atheist. But, your incessant need to bring the topic up in every thread borders on pathological insanity. Honestly, it wears on some, and you deserve all the stink that's flies your way.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 11, 2019, 08:32:13 AM
Nads, no one here honestly gives 2 chits whether or not you're Jewish, Muslim, Christian, worship frogs, or atheist. But, your incessant need to bring the topic up in every thread borders on pathologist insanity. Honestly, it wears on some, and you deserve all the stink that's flies your way.
Exactly. He is obsessed with him for a reason and the incoming is deserved.
Well time to amend my Saturday enthusiasm for the uniqueness on Yordan Jordan's first 45 game rookie stint
Yordan wears uni no. 44 (like Hank Aaron) but wow.... so does rookie Aristides Aquino of the Reds ...3 hrs Saturday...give him 7 in his first 10 games
How cool would two late call up rookies, both in uni No. 44, having record setting stints through the rest of this season.
How can you not love baseball
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 11, 2019, 08:32:13 AM
Nads, no one here honestly gives 2 chits whether or not you're Jewish, Muslim, Christian, worship frogs, or atheist. But, your incessant need to bring the topic up in every thread borders on pathologist insanity. Honestly, it wears on some, and you deserve all the stink that's flies your way.
Doc, despite the troll chicos' obsession with me and his feeling a need to pile on to what you said, I believe you were referring not to Tebow but to my discussion of religion.
(I obviously do not bring up Tebow "in every thread." This was the first time I mentioned Tebow in months, it's a baseball thread, and he's a baseball player. Please correct me if I'm wrong about your assertion.)
As for religion (or lack thereof) ... obviously, I do not "bring the topic up in every thread." I know you are using hyperbole, and just suggesting that I bring up religion often. I do not believe that's true. I believe that, just as in this thread, the discussion usually turns to religion because another poster -- in this case, the obsessive troll chicos -- made it a religious discussion.
In my view, the only thing worse than a Christian who tries to beat everybody over their heads with his/her religion is an atheist who tries to beat everybody over their heads with his/her lack of religion. So I don't do it. If you have evidence of me doing otherwise, I will apologize profusely and try not to repeat it.
Now, if I or one of the other Scoop atheists are in a discussion about, say, Wojo, and an instigator says something out of the blue like,
"Yeah, but what else are we to expect from an atheist? Thoughts and prayers. Merry Christmas. Bless you. I'll pray for you." ... I guess we're supposed to just ignore the obvious attempts to shame us or bully us for being nonbelievers, aina?
Doc, I know you like to needle me, and that's OK because I usually like our give and take. But I do respect you, and I sincerely would like hearing your thoughts on the above.
don't write-off keston hiura just yet. the little guy is popping em out. 14 hr with 200 at bats. hitting 305 w/32 rbi's the fielding will come
just an fyi, i got the chance to meet him briefly at the brewers last spring game at surprise stadium where they played the rangers
Quote from: Cheeks on August 11, 2019, 09:24:30 AM
He is obsessed with him
Prove it.
I just did a search on MU82 and Tebow. This is the first time I even mentioned him since a January thread that somebody else started about Tebow. Before that, it was March 2018. Before that, it was October 2017, again a very brief response to somebody else. Before that ...
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=search2
I have been a Scooper for 8 years. I have participated in 10 threads in which Tebow was mentioned, and most of the time I was just responding to somebody else.
The only obsession is the strange one you have with me.
Quote from: MU82 on August 11, 2019, 10:55:31 AM
Prove it.
I just did a search on MU82 and Tebow. This is the first time I even mentioned him since a January thread that somebody else started about Tebow. Before that, it was March 2018. Before that, it was October 2017, again a very brief response to somebody else. Before that ...
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=search2
I have been a Scooper for 8 years. I have participated in 10 threads in which Tebow was mentioned, and most of the time I was just responding to somebody else.
The only obsession is the strange one you have with me.
Merry christmas! ;D You won the argument, now can you both bugger off so we can have actual discussions and not hissy fits?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on August 11, 2019, 10:18:04 AM
don't write-off keston hiura just yet. the little guy is popping em out. 14 hr with 200 at bats. hitting 305 w/32 rbi's the fielding will come
The juiced ball era is having a really weird effect on guys with + hit skills but that didn't project to be huge power guys. Some have been slightly tweaking their launch angles, and the juiced ball is helping some of them sneak out an extra 12 HRs per season. Hiura is one of those guys, Ketel Marte, Ramon Laureano, and maybe Gleyber Torres are some others. All of a sudden, they look like borderline stars.
Others of those + hit skill guys aren't experiencing the same power bump (probably because they're more line drive guys who are having a hard time adjusting their launch angles or are hesitant to try) and they're sort of in no man's land. I'd put guys like Benintendi and Castellanos in that category.
Its going to be a really interesting next year or two depending on what MLB does with the ball. If you're coaching young players now, do you tell them to go for broke and sell their soul to trade 35 points in batting average for 10-15 HRs? Or do you stay patient, trust MLB will go back to the old ball, and that toolsy gap hitters will be more valuable again?
Quote from: Cheeks on August 11, 2019, 09:24:30 AM
Exactly. He is obsessed with him for a reason and the incoming is deserved.
That's right, Chicos, get yet another thread shut down because you are a whiny little fucking toxic snowflake.
82 points out how bad Tebow is and you have to turn it into another of your political pissing matches. Just go the unnatural carnal knowledge away.
Quote from: MU82 on August 11, 2019, 10:55:31 AM
The only obsession is the strange one you have with me.
As a long-time scooper who likes both of you, the obsession seems very, very mutual. I often wish the two of you would just put each other on ignore -- or better yet, just ignore each other.
Quote from: MUBurrow on August 11, 2019, 12:19:26 PM
The juiced ball era is having a really weird effect on guys with + hit skills but that didn't project to be huge power guys. Some have been slightly tweaking their launch angles, and the juiced ball is helping some of them sneak out an extra 12 HRs per season. Hiura is one of those guys, Ketel Marte, Ramon Laureano, and maybe Gleyber Torres are some others. All of a sudden, they look like borderline stars.
Others of those + hit skill guys aren't experiencing the same power bump (probably because they're more line drive guys who are having a hard time adjusting their launch angles or are hesitant to try) and they're sort of in no man's land. I'd put guys like Benintendi and Castellanos in that category.
Its going to be a really interesting next year or two depending on what MLB does with the ball. If you're coaching young players now, do you tell them to go for broke and sell their soul to trade 35 points in batting average for 10-15 HRs? Or do you stay patient, trust MLB will go back to the old ball, and that toolsy gap hitters will be more valuable again?
The old ball is never coming back
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 11, 2019, 11:36:16 AM
Merry christmas! ;D You won the argument, now can you both bugger off so we can have actual discussions and not hissy fits?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 11, 2019, 12:46:42 PM
As a long-time scooper who likes both of you, the obsession seems very, very mutual. I often wish the two of you would just put each other on ignore -- or better yet, just ignore each other.
Both of these are very fair points, and I apologize for my role in it all.
Unless he impugns my integrity, and thereby demands a response, I will try extremely hard to ignore him in the future.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Tough one for the Crew today. Lyles has looked good being back in MKE.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 11, 2019, 12:48:43 PM
The old ball is never coming back
This is true. Wish it would but the new ball makes it exciting
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 11, 2019, 04:08:01 PM
This is true. Wish it would but the jew ball makes it exciting
Because it's like Hanukkah and gives us lots of gifts?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 11, 2019, 04:10:36 PM
Because it's like Hanukkah and gives us lots of gifts?
Welllllll the j and N are very close to each other
Quote from: MU82 on August 11, 2019, 10:55:31 AM
Prove it.
I just did a search on MU82 and Tebow. This is the first time I even mentioned him since a January thread that somebody else started about Tebow. Before that, it was March 2018. Before that, it was October 2017, again a very brief response to somebody else. Before that ...
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=search2
I have been a Scooper for 8 years. I have participated in 10 threads in which Tebow was mentioned, and most of the time I was just responding to somebody else.
The only obsession is the strange one you have with me.
Just like you lied yesterday saying it has been months since you made a political statement....what was your point of thoughts and prayers just a few days ago....totally political. Stop the lying.
You've participated in at least 15 threads, not 10...lie number 2 from you. Of course many of them laced with your political takes, some with religious. That was a cursory search, if I wanted to really get into it there would be more than 16.
1) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58495.msg1148467#msg1148467
2) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54934.msg1005554#msg1005554
3) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44588.msg643635#msg643635
4) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=57539.msg1079412#msg1079412
5) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54503.msg956227#msg956227
6) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=51052.msg941539#msg941539
7) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54230.msg926882#msg926882
8) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=57450.msg1079733#msg1079733
9) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48518.msg755495#msg755495
10) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53735.msg932445#msg932445
11) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44487.msg640165#msg640165
12) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=39352.msg523634#msg523634
13) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53102.msg886591#msg886591
14) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=40164.msg524333#msg524333
15) https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=36640.msg460965#msg460965
Weren't you a baseball HOF voter? Don't you have access to stats, including minor league stats? Care to walk back your nonsense about him being arguably the worst hitter in all of organized ball, and "DEFINITELY" in the top two levels of baseball. So in the top 2 levels he is DEFINITELY the worst in baseball, despite last year doing quite well in AA and getting promoted...remember when you were praising him for that...oh wait...you didn't. But definitely (your words) the worst in baseball top two levels (which last I checked was the majors and AAA) and arguably all of organized ball....hmm, so rookie ball, A, AA...that's your claim as a former sports journalist and HOF voter. Wow. For anyone to make that kind of statement they are either sauced, really old, or have a bias....or were just patently wrong and obsessed with someone they don't care for an purposely made an absurd comment. For you, which one was it?
Would you like my subscription to Rotowire Minor League stats so you can walk back your statement, every single word of your statement? Happy to share it with you.
Please. Stop.
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 11, 2019, 05:32:27 PM
Please. Stop.
+1
Both of you just need to take a break. Make it voluntary.
Quote from: MU82 on August 10, 2019, 10:16:25 PM
Agree 100%. He's just not good at baseball.
In AA last year he hit .273 with an OPS of .734. Not great, not bad either.
Trout went yard yesterday against the Red Sox, the last AL ballpark he had not hit a home run in which is kind of weird since you wouldn't expect it to be Fenway.
Players active that have hit a HR in every active park?
Pujols
Anyone else?
Is Ryu going to be a unanimous choice as Cy Young winner? If not, should there be a unanimous choice ever?
Certainly, the best season by any pitcher since Pedro back in 2000 or 2001 (I forget which one was the super year).
Quote from: Cheeks on August 11, 2019, 05:56:42 PM
Trout went yard yesterday against the Red Sox, the last AL ballpark he had not hit a home run in which is kind of weird since you wouldn't expect it to be Fenway.
Players active that have hit a HR in every active park?
Pujols
Anyone else?
I have a scar on my hand from punching someone like you at a bar. I'd be willing to take a 2nd one if this were a bar.
Quote from: Cheeks on August 11, 2019, 05:56:42 PM
Trout went yard yesterday against the Red Sox, the last AL ballpark he had not hit a home run in which is kind of weird since you wouldn't expect it to be Fenway.
Players active that have hit a HR in every active park?
Pujols
Anyone else?
Wow. And they're on the same team??? Bet they have lots of WS rings since they joined forces. Or at least ALCS rings. Or playoff victories. Zero, you say? Total futility? Imagine that.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 11, 2019, 06:46:57 PM
Wow. And they're on the same team??? Bet they have lots of WS rings since they joined forces. Or at least ALCS rings. Or playoff victories. Zero, you say? Total futility? Imagine that.
Poor trout. By far the best baseball player in many years.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 11, 2019, 06:46:57 PM
Wow. And they're on the same team??? Bet they have lots of WS rings since they joined forces. Or at least ALCS rings. Or playoff victories. Zero, you say? Total futility? Imagine that.
More Tommy John surgeries than any team in MLB the last 6 years. Two starting pitchers dead in last decade on top of that, both with bright futures. Yes, that will have an impact on a team's ability to win....baseball is about hitting and pitching.
Angels with 11 pitchers that have had Tommy John surgery since 2014. Next closest team is 8. Of the 11 pitchers, 6 of them were starting pitchers. Sorry, but whether you have two future hall of famers or not batting, if you don't have the arms and the investments you have made in those arms are in the operating room or deceased, that's a tough blow. Your sarcasm, duly noted, your lack of knowledge on why also duly noted.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gQujXQQGOVNaiuwSN680Hq-FDVsCwvN-3AazykOBON0/edit#gid=0
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 11, 2019, 06:24:01 PM
I have a scar on my hand from punching someone like you at a bar. I'd be willing to take a 2nd one if this were a bar.
You the man!
MU82 and CBB .. for the love of all that is Arby's, please put eachother on ignore.
Click here: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;area=lists;sa=ignore (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;area=lists;sa=ignore) and make it happen.
This is not a request.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 11, 2019, 06:49:33 PM
Poor trout. By far the best baseball player in many years.
Yup, glad I get to see him play as often as I do, definitely a joy to watch and be around.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 11, 2019, 06:24:01 PM
I have a scar on my hand from punching someone like you at a bar. I'd be willing to take a 2nd one if this were a bar.
Which hand?
Quote from: Cheeks on August 11, 2019, 07:30:29 PM
Which hand?
Ma left one. But if your down to talk baseball instead of dicking with politics in a thread no one wants to hear about it I will refrain.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 12, 2019, 06:41:28 AM
Ma left one. But if your down to talk baseball instead of dicking with politics in a thread no one wants to hear about it I will refrain.
I'm game, especially if you point some of your ire to the other gentleman who keeps doing it.
Quote from: Cheeks on August 12, 2019, 08:22:25 AM
I'm game, especially if you point some of your ire to the other gentleman who keeps doing it.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58495.msg1148470#msg1148470
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 12, 2019, 08:24:31 AM
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58495.msg1148470#msg1148470
No mention of politics......
The mods have asked you and MU82 to stop. Others have asked you two to stop.
So why don't you just stop.
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 12, 2019, 06:41:28 AM
Ma left one. But if your down to talk baseball instead of dicking with politics in a thread no one wants to hear about it I will refrain.
Left is the hospital, right is the morgue, your choice. ;D
Quote from: Anti-Dentite on August 12, 2019, 11:36:24 AM
Left is the hospital, right is the morgue, your choice. ;D
The left was the hospital for me, eh?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 12, 2019, 08:38:29 AM
The mods have asked you and MU82 to stop. Others have asked you two to stop.
So why don't you just stop.
I am, make sure the others do as well which is my point. It goes beyond the two of us. Jockey's comments, Jesu, etc. They just keep throwing them out there. Stop
Quote from: #UnleashCain on August 11, 2019, 06:24:01 PM
I have a scar on my hand from punching someone like you at a bar. I'd be willing to take a 2nd one if this were a bar.
I like how you actually quoted a baseball relevant post to go all internet tough guy on.
Quote from: buckchuckler on August 12, 2019, 12:18:15 PM
I like how you actually quoted a baseball relevant post to go all internet tough guy on.
I know, I scrolled through all of it and ended up hitting the one baseball post he made. That was unfortunate. I wish I was a tough guy, never said I would win.
Quote from: Cheeks on August 12, 2019, 12:15:56 PM
I am, make sure the others do as well which is my point. It goes beyond the two of us. Jockey's comments, Jesu, etc. They just keep throwing them out there. Stop
Charity begins at home
Quote from: MUBurrow on August 11, 2019, 12:19:26 PM
The juiced ball era is having a really weird effect on guys with + hit skills but that didn't project to be huge power guys. Some have been slightly tweaking their launch angles, and the juiced ball is helping some of them sneak out an extra 12 HRs per season. Hiura is one of those guys, Ketel Marte, Ramon Laureano, and maybe Gleyber Torres are some others. All of a sudden, they look like borderline stars.
Others of those + hit skill guys aren't experiencing the same power bump (probably because they're more line drive guys who are having a hard time adjusting their launch angles or are hesitant to try) and they're sort of in no man's land. I'd put guys like Benintendi and Castellanos in that category.
Its going to be a really interesting next year or two depending on what MLB does with the ball. If you're coaching young players now, do you tell them to go for broke and sell their soul to trade 35 points in batting average for 10-15 HRs? Or do you stay patient, trust MLB will go back to the old ball, and that toolsy gap hitters will be more valuable again?
very good points, BUT(you knew that was coming right?) 14 of keston's 61 hits have been homers. let's pretend maybe 10-12 of those would be off the wall sans "juiced" ball. still a pretty good hitter right out of the box. he hits a nice ball and looks like he knows what he's doing. the brewers need to worry more about his fielding and getting over confident
to your credit, the brewers had trevor hoffman on the air during one of their broadcasts last week. they asked him about the ball-he said, yes, it feels different, tighter wound, etc that could be a more astute way to describe the "juiced" ball and i respect that acknowledgment
Quote from: Cheeks on August 12, 2019, 12:15:56 PM
I am, make sure the others do as well which is my point. It goes beyond the two of us. Jockey's comments, Jesu, etc. They just keep throwing them out there. Stop
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