No Athletic Events if No Students on Campus BE

[muguru]

It is a debunked conspiracy theory.

Debunked by who?? Who you want to believe?? I gave you a well sourced fact that this is happening, and she's in a high enough position that she sees numbers and has contacts in many different hospitals across the country. This is a real life thing that is happening whether you want to believe it or not. Not only that but I heard a national radio guy say a couple of days ago that he had two relatives die from what they "labeled" covid-19, but said he knows for a fact that isn't what they died from. Quite frankly it's disgusting and abhorrent that people would go to these extremes to push an agenda, but the world we live in now, it's filled with agenda driven people that have HATE for one individual and will do anything to try to take him down. FACT.

[Newsdreams]

Debunked by who?? Who you want to believe?? I gave you a well sourced fact that this is happening, and she's in a high enough position that she sees numbers and has contacts in many different hospitals across the country. This is a real life thing that is happening whether you want to believe it or not. Not only that but I heard a national radio guy say a couple of days ago that he had two relatives die from what they "labeled" covid-19, but said he knows for a fact that isn't what they died from. Quite frankly it's disgusting and abhorrent that people would go to these extremes to push an agenda, but the world we live in now, it's filled with agenda driven people that have HATE for one individual and will do anything to try to take him down. FACT.

Because it is the new spin being put forth to try to adjust for the bad response. It is a known fact that it is next course of action. Actually since the first cases are now traced to January and there was a surge in pneumonia deaths in many areas they might revise and test for the virus accordingly. And it is easy to debunk the theory. Go look at normal death rates and what is happening, there is a huge spike. We will have near 100k dead by end of May and around 200k by August. And I did deal with that certain individual late 80's and early 90's.

[The Sultan]

Debunked by who?? Who you want to believe?? I gave you a well sourced fact that this is happening, and she's in a high enough position that she sees numbers and has contacts in many different hospitals across the country. This is a real life thing that is happening whether you want to believe it or not. Not only that but I heard a national radio guy say a couple of days ago that he had two relatives die from what they "labeled" covid-19, but said he knows for a fact that isn't what they died from. Quite frankly it's disgusting and abhorrent that people would go to these extremes to push an agenda, but the world we live in now, it's filled with agenda driven people that have HATE for one individual and will do anything to try to take him down. FACT.

You didn't answer this question before. How do you explain the refrigerated trucks in New York if the death count is exaggerated?  Do you think a bunch of people coincidently died?

I really doubt you know someone who has more than a narrow knowledge of what she is talking about. And I think you are diving way too far into bizarre conspiracy theories.

And Trumps horrendous performance goes well beyond the death toll.

[muguru]

You didn't answer this question before. How do you explain the refrigerated trucks in New York if the death count is exaggerated?  Do you think a bunch of people coincidently died?

I really doubt you know someone who has more than a narrow knowledge of what she is talking about. And I think you are diving way too far into bizarre conspiracy theories.

And Trumps horrendous performance goes well beyond the death toll.

I never said that every single case is being mislabeled, there are people dying from Covid-19, but there are also many many others that are dying from things that are not related to covid-19 that are being labeled as such, but the times we live in now, it's easy to say that, and the gullible part of society believes it and they leave it at that(They say it so it must be true).

[The Sultan]

I never said that every single case is being mislabeled, there are people dying from Covid-19, but there are also many many others that are dying from things that are not related to covid-19 that are being labeled as such, but the times we live in now, it's easy to say that, and the gullible part of society believes it and they leave it at that(They say it so it must be true).

Well someone is certainly being gullible here...

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

but there are also many many others

I heard it was four many's big

[muguru]

How did this thread dissolve into a covid-19 and Trump bashing thread anyway?? Can we get back to talking about having students on campus etc.

[brewcity77]

How did this thread dissolve into a covid-19 and Trump bashing thread anyway?? Can we get back to talking about having students on campus etc.

Because having students on campus requires people feeling reasonably safe from COVID-19 and the reason they don't is because of inadequate action from 45. The three things are inextricably linked.

If we had enough testing, it would help to contain the virus and insure people felt safe from COVID-19 which would allow students to return more safely to campus. It's not thread dissolution but rather a natural evolution.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Isn't there a COVID thread elsewhere? 

IMO, the Big East is in a pretty strong spot in advance of basketball season.  Since none of us sponsor football at the FBS levels, the schools can truly take a wait and see approach with what college football ends up looking like, and then making the necessary adjustments if needed.  College football will definitely happen in the Fall, in some form or another.

If, for example, St. John's and Seton Hall, due to their location, are unable to play this season, I strongly doubt the conference would instruct teams to fold-up their seasons as well. I also wonder what the "back-up" site for the BET would be next year.  Considering their numbers, I wonder if Creighton (Omaha) would be considered. 

[Nukem2]

Isn't there a COVID thread elsewhere? 

IMO, the Big East is in a pretty strong spot in advance of basketball season.  Since none of us sponsor football at the FBS levels, the schools can truly take a wait and see approach with what college football ends up looking like, and then making the necessary adjustments if needed.  College football will definitely happen in the Fall, in some form or another.

If, for example, St. John's and Seton Hall, due to their location, are unable to play this season, I strongly doubt the conference would instruct teams to fold-up their seasons as well. I also wonder what the "back-up" site for the BET would be next year.  Considering their numbers, I wonder if Creighton (Omaha) would be considered.

Reserving a public venue on a short time frame could be difficult.

[muguru]

Because having students on campus requires people feeling reasonably safe from COVID-19 and the reason they don't is because of inadequate action from 45. The three things are inextricably linked.

If we had enough testing, it would help to contain the virus and insure people felt safe from COVID-19 which would allow students to return more safely to campus. It's not thread dissolution but rather a natural evolution.

I'm one person so obviously I can only speak for myself, but I am in the "high risk" group in more ways then one, and I haven't let this change how I do things. My employer is requiring wearing masks starting Monday and that does not sit well with me at all. I could get it anywhere at anytime, and if I do, I do. If it's my time to go...not much I can do about it.

[brewcity77]

I'm one person so obviously I can only speak for myself, but I am in the "high risk" group in more ways then one, and I haven't let this change how I do things. My employer is requiring wearing masks starting Monday and that does not sit well with me at all. I could get it anywhere at anytime, and if I do, I do. If it's my time to go...not much I can do about it.

The mask isn't for you. It's for other people. It's so you don't spread the disease while asymptomatic. Current CDC guidelines say if 80% of the population wore masks that were 60% effective, it would virtually eliminate the spread.

Ultimately, this comes down to one thing: do you give a s**t about any other human beings you interact with? If yes, just suck up your pride and wear the damn mask.

[tower912]

And there, in purest terms, is the crux of the debate, hell, society at large.   


What I want vs what is best for the most people.

Facts vs what I believe.

[TedBaxter]

I'm one person so obviously I can only speak for myself, but I am in the "high risk" group in more ways then one, and I haven't let this change how I do things. My employer is requiring wearing masks starting Monday and that does not sit well with me at all. I could get it anywhere at anytime, and if I do, I do. If it's my time to go...not much I can do about it.

You wearing a mask may have help someone else avoid it.  You could be a carrier and not know it.

It's beyond me how American's can feel so threatened when told to do something.  My grandmother went through the death of her father at age 7 (the oldest child) with a Polish speaking mother, quitting school at that time and working and living in a boarding house during the week, 2 world wars, Spanish and Polio epidemics and never complained about it and frankly, never bitched about anything other her utility bill being too high.

Suck it up buttercup.

[Uncle Rico]

You wearing a mask may have help someone else avoid it.  You could be a carrier and not know it.

It's beyond me how American's can feel so threatened when told to do something.  My grandmother went through the death of her father at age 7 (the oldest child) with a Polish speaking mother, quitting school at that time and working and living in a boarding house during the week, 2 world wars, Spanish and Polio epidemics and never complained about it and frankly, never bitched about anything other her utility bill being too high.

Suck it up buttercup.

Listen, having to wear a mask is part of a vast conspiracy

[muguru]

You wearing a mask may have help someone else avoid it.  You could be a carrier and not know it.

It's beyond me how American's can feel so threatened when told to do something.  My grandmother went through the death of her father at age 7 (the oldest child) with a Polish speaking mother, quitting school at that time and working and living in a boarding house during the week, 2 world wars, Spanish and Polio epidemics and never complained about it and frankly, never bitched about anything other her utility bill being too high.

Suck it up buttercup.

If I was carrying it, believe me, I'd know, I'd be sick...very sick if not dead. My point is, masks or no masks(and there are many studies that say masks aren't as effective as people believe), all the hand washing in the world, and people can STILL get it. You, I or anyone could get it from simply going to the grocery store, or work or wherever.

[The Sultan]

Listen, having to wear a mask is part of a vast conspiracy

And it's against our civil liberties. You know, the rights of free speech, religion and to be selfish.

[The Sultan]

If I was carrying it, believe me, I'd know, I'd be sick...very sick if not dead. My point is, masks or no masks(and there are many studies that say masks aren't as effective as people believe), all the hand washing in the world, and people can STILL get it. You, I or anyone could get it from simply going to the grocery store, or work or wherever.

It's called minimizing risk.

[tower912]

Never mind.

[Uncle Rico]

And it's against our civil liberties. You know, the rights of free speech, religion and to be selfish.

Civil liberties don't apply to everyone

[muguru]

And it's against our civil liberties. You know, the rights of free speech, religion and to be selfish.

How about freedom of choice?? So people say it's not about me(even though if I get it, I'd likely die), it's about other people, when I'd be willing to bet most of the people that are TERRIFIED of getting this are healthy people that are low risk?? Makes sense. It started with the last occupant in the WH where we have our freedoms and rights trampled on, and told it's not important, but others rights are. Where terrible rules/laws and regulations were crammed down our throats and told we WILL/HAVE to accept this. Now, the same party wants to keep america down that path. You wonder why we got p*issed off and rose up and took the country back??

[muguru]

Listen, having to wear a mask is part of a vast conspiracy

You seem like such an angry Bernie supporter.

[Uncle Rico]

You seem like such an angry Bernie supporter.

Nah, I'm just a dude who cares about his fellow citizens and wears a mask in public

[WhiteTrash]

And Trumps horrendous performance goes well beyond the death toll.

The agenda is revealed.

[The Sultan]

The agenda is revealed.

The truth is an agenda?