Recruiting as of 5/15/25

[genious expert]

247 composite rankings have this class ranked 16. If they get Mane they would go up to 13.

HOWEVA.

If you go off of 247 internal rankings instead of the composite, they would go from 15 to 5.
(I simulated this by using DJ Steward in Mane's place since they are ranked 1 spot apart)

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Season/2020-Basketball/Commits/Preview/

I would consider the internal rankings more accurate when dealing with a Canadian prospect fwiw

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Karim-Mane-Marquette-Michigan-State-Pittsburgh-Memphis-DePaul-146162622/

Marquette: The main thing is right now they signed a guard not too long ago but they told me the plan for me still hasn't changed, it's the same thing except now you're going to play with better players, it's still not sure if he will be available to play but even if he is that the plan they have for me does not change. What I like about them is the opportunity that's right there and front of my eyes in terms of replacing Markus [Howard] and then after that just the style of play, people who are there, I feel like they're good people.

Interesting quote.  Obviously talking about Carton.  Could probably be construed as a positive or negative.

[AverageJoe]

Crean, who I don't consider to be a very good coach, was able to take a lesser recruiting class, senior Novak + Joe Champman & Dan Fitzgerald to a 4th place finish out of 16 teams. Carton/Mane/Garcia/Oso/Lewis would be significantly better than the 3 amigos haul on paper, and Bailey/Cain/Theo/Symir/Elliott are better than everyone but Novak from the '06 team.

Third out of 11 vs. 4th out of 16. Not unrealistic, and we should not expect anything less if that is our roster. Which is a good thing! By the way, that would be finishing behind Nova & Creighton, so that straw man does not apply.

I hope you're right, but I don't think you can really make that comparison based upon HS rankings.  James played like a top 10 recruit his Freshman year.  Jerel was ready to play immediately.  And as a senior, Novak was better than any returnee on this team.

[Silkk the Shaka]

247 composite rankings have this class ranked 16. If they get Mane they would go up to 13.

HOWEVA.

If you go off of 247 internal rankings instead of the composite, they would go from 15 to 5.
(I simulated this by using DJ Steward in Mane's place since they are ranked 1 spot apart)

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Season/2020-Basketball/Commits/Preview/

I would consider the internal rankings more accurate when dealing with a Canadian prospect fwiw

Nice, agreed on that internal ranking being more accurate with Canadian. And that #5 doesn't include Carton, are you able to simulate what the internal rating would be if you added a guy with Carton's similar HS rating on top of your Mane proxy?

[JakeBarnes]

Interesting quote.  Obviously talking about Carton.  Could probably be construed as a positive or negative.

I took it as positive. "things have developed by my role hasn't changed" and the "opportunity is right there to step in." It appears his focus is stepping into a big role right away. While Carton may slightly change that, it's not as if Hoggard and Watts are going away anytime soon, and Langford may be back, which creates a huge crunch of minutes there. Also, he has to deal with the offense running through Joey Hauser Additional likes: the people and the style of play. Honestly, it sounds like we are sitting in good shape. Definitely going to come down to MSU and Marquette.

Thanks for the update, guru.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I took it as positive. "things have developed by my role hasn't changed" and the "opportunity is right there to step in." It appears his focus is stepping into a big role right away. While Carton may slightly change that, it's not as if Hoggard and Watts are going away anytime soon, and Langford may be back, which creates a huge crunch of minutes there. Also, he has to deal with the offense running through Joey Hauser Additional likes: the people and the style of play. Honestly, it sounds like we are sitting in good shape. Definitely going to come down to MSU and Marquette.

Thanks for the update, guru.

For sure.

Really only this nugget could be construed negatively:

"The main thing is they signed another guard not too long ago"

[JakeBarnes]

For sure.

Really only this nugget could be construed negatively:

"The main thing is they signed another guard not too long ago"

Sure. I am reading more in the "but they've assured me the role hasn't changed" part, just playing with better players. The Markus role will still be there, and Wojo wants to ultimately be a 2+ ball handler guard system given the high screen and PNR setup.

As an aside, in the ever theoretical situation where Mane signs with Marquette: how crazy good is our frontcourt defense going to be if he projects to be as good on defense as he aspires to be?

[GoldenDieners32]

One thing I didn't realize about mane is that he turns 20 next month

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

One thing I didn't realize about mane is that he turns 20 next month

Another feather in the cap of just how fuc*in' good Markus was.  Just insane that he is a top 100 all time scorer in the NCAA and basically all his points came before turning 21. 

[Elonsmusk]

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Karim-Mane-Marquette-Michigan-State-Pittsburgh-Memphis-DePaul-146162622/

Marquette: The main thing is right now they signed a guard not too long ago but they told me the plan for me still hasn't changed, it's the same thing except now you're going to play with better players, it's still not sure if he will be available to play but even if he is that the plan they have for me does not change. What I like about them is the opportunity that's right there and front of my eyes in terms of replacing Markus [Howard] and then after that just the style of play, people who are there, I feel like they're good people.
Michigan State: I like the fact that the coaches have been through it all and the coach knows what he's talking about at all times and even for them I have a big opportunity to come in right away and have a big role on the team so I like that too. Opportunities is the main thing for me obviously so that's one of the things I'm looking at Michigan State, Marquette and all of the schools I'm looking at, they all have it. So that's one of the things
Memphis: I really like how they play, the coaching staff obviously have all been in the pro game so they know what they're talking about and what it takes to get you to the next level.
DePaul: For them it's the situation basically. They want me to come in and have a big role because they need me. For them, I would come in and have a starting role right away and play alongside Charlie Moore and I'd have the ball in my hands more around the two. The plan they have for me is interesting.
Pittsburgh: Pittsburgh reached out not too long ago but their main pitch to me is just that they want me to come in and have a big role on the team. They didn't specify that I would have a starting role or anything like that but they just view me as a player that would prosper in their style of play and situation.

Good info.  Thanks Guru.  All in all pretty encouraging.  Would be a massive score for Wojo, on the heels of Carton.  We've certainly put in the time and effort.  Wonder what plan DePaul has for him that he feels is "interesting."

[muguru]

Good info.  Thanks Guru.  All in all pretty encouraging.  Would be a massive score for Wojo, on the heels of Carton.  We've certainly put in the time and effort.  Wonder what plan DePaul has for him that he feels is "interesting."

A lot of losing?? I kid, I kid. 

[Uncle Rico]

Good info.  Thanks Guru.  All in all pretty encouraging.  Would be a massive score for Wojo, on the heels of Carton.  We've certainly put in the time and effort.  Wonder what plan DePaul has for him that he feels is "interesting."

Straight cash

[genious expert]

Nice, agreed on that internal ranking being more accurate with Canadian. And that #5 doesn't include Carton, are you able to simulate what the internal rating would be if you added a guy with Carton's similar HS rating on top of your Mane proxy?

Plugging in Marjon Beauchamp for Carton and DJ Steward for Mane would bring us up to 4th. Trailing only Kentucky, Duke, and UNC.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Plugging in Marjon Beauchamp for Carton and DJ Steward for Mane would bring us up to 4th. Trailing only Kentucky, Duke, and UNC.

Transfers don't count in recruit rankings. 

[genious expert]

Transfers don't count in recruit rankings.

Yes I know. Took the time to quote my post but didn't take the time to read what I was responding to I see.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

There's a school of thought that teams that lose a ball dominant scorer can be better as they tend to be less deferential and more aggressive.  Time will tell.

I subscribe. While there is no denying Markus' talent, having one person that dominant is not a positive IMO.

[NickelDimer]

Straight cash homie

Fixed it

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Yes I know. Took the time to quote my post but didn't take the time to read what I was responding to I see.

My apologies. 

[GB Warrior]

There's a school of thought that teams that lose a ball dominant scorer can be better as they tend to be less deferential and more aggressive.  Time will tell.

McEwen: It's Koby time!

Narrator: It was not Koby time

[Silkk the Shaka]

Plugging in Marjon Beauchamp for Carton and DJ Steward for Mane would bring us up to 4th. Trailing only Kentucky, Duke, and UNC.

Nice thanks! It would be an incredible haul for sure.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

"except now you're going to play with better players."

Koby, Greg, Dexter, Symir collectively:

[MU82]

Also, he has to deal with the offense running through Joey Hauser.

Cracked me up, Jake, and woulda been even funnier if you didn't use teal!

I want us to get Mane, obviously, but it would be pretty hilarious if Mane went to MSU and all those guards ignored Joey even more than Markus did.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Cracked me up, Jake, and woulda been even funnier if you didn't use teal!

I want us to get Mane, obviously, but it would be pretty hilarious if Mane went to MSU and all those guards ignored Joey even more than Markus did.

That would definitely be funny

[94Warrior]

Another feather in the cap of just how fuc*in' good Markus was.  Just insane that he is a top 100 all time scorer in the NCAA and basically all his points came before turning 21.

Top 100?  Technically, you are right.  But, to be exact...
He is 21st, and would be 20th passing J.J. Reddick with 8 more points.

[harryp]

Maybe he has a girl friend in Chicago