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Title: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2019, 08:37:22 PM
Big East Conference Rankings

AP
13. Seton Hall
17. Nova
18. X
Others receiving votes MU, Butler, Cooley & Company

Coaches
13. Seton Hall
15. Nova
21. X
Others receiving votes - MU, Butler, Creighton

NET rankings have not started yet
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2019, 12:01:53 PM
Big East Conference Rankings
AP
13. The Hall
22.Nova
25.X

Others receiving votes -Butler

Coaches
13. The Hall
21. Nova
23. X

Others receiving votes - Butler , DePaul

NET rankings have not started yet

Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 26, 2019, 12:14:10 PM
Big East Conference Rankings
AP
13. The Hall
22.Nova
25.X

Others receiving votes -Butler

Coaches
13. The Hall
21. Nova
23. X

Others receiving votes - Butler , DePaul

NET rankings have not started yet

DePaul.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 02, 2019, 03:31:30 PM
AP
16. The Hall
23. Nova
24. Butler

Others receiving votes X and DePaul

Coaches

15. The Hall
22. Nova
24. Butler

Others receiving votes X and DePaul

NET Rankings haven’t started yet
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: marqfan22 on December 02, 2019, 03:40:32 PM
I know I’m a homer, but I thought we would have got at least one vote.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on December 03, 2019, 07:50:34 PM
When was the last time Depaul received votes?

When was the last time they were ahead of MU is the rankings!???!
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: GoldenZebra on December 03, 2019, 07:54:52 PM
The BBall budget is so ridiculous, MU has not had much to show for it recently. Excellent facilities, superb stadium to play in, and yet not performing up to expectations. Really hope it turns around this season.
On the plus side, the Wojo era has been free of conduct issues.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: AlienWarrior on December 03, 2019, 08:01:07 PM
Yes, state of the art everything with a top NBA team. Recruits apparently want more than that.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Cheeks on December 03, 2019, 08:23:11 PM
The BBall budget is so ridiculous, MU has not had much to show for it recently. Excellent facilities, superb stadium to play in, and yet not performing up to expectations. Really hope it turns around this season.
On the plus side, the Wojo era has been free of conduct issues.

Didn’t we just land a great recruiting class partly because of the new stadium?  It’s only been one season.

Our practice facilities are nice, but have already been passed by a lot of programs.  The Al is already 16 years old

How much of that spend do we have to do just to be relevant? No football.  Cold weather.  Etc. We also don’t get to leverage other sports to spread expenses for the costs like many bigger schools do.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: AlienWarrior on December 03, 2019, 08:59:20 PM
Didn’t we just land a great recruiting class partly because of the new stadium?  It’s only been one season.

Our practice facilities are nice, but have already been passed by a lot of programs.  The Al is already 16 years old

How much of that spend do we have to do just to be relevant? No football.  Cold weather.  Etc. We also don’t get to leverage other sports to spread expenses for the costs like many bigger schools do.
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I thought the Al was renovated
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2019, 03:03:27 PM
Big East Conference Rankings

AP

18.Butler
20.Nova
22.The Hall
23. X
Others Receiving Votes - MU, DePaul

Coaches
19. Butler
20. Nova
22. The Hall
Others Receiving Votes- X , MU, Depaul

NET Rankings will start December 16
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Cheeks on December 09, 2019, 05:22:20 PM

I thought the Al was renovated

Well, I know two cars were driven into it that required repairs. 

2014 it got a facelift, which was needed.   Fair enough.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2019, 11:21:21 AM
4      Butler   
24      Villanova   
38      Georgetown   
43      DePaul   
53      Marquette   
55      Seton Hall   
56      Creighton   
65      St. John's
71      Xavier   
146      Providence
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2019, 03:15:40 PM
Big East Conference Rankings
AP
17. Butler
18. Nova
Others receiving votes -X, MU, DePaul, Georgetown and  The Hall

Coaches
14. Nova
16. Butler
Others receiving votes X,MU, The Hall, DePaul and Creighton
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2019, 05:58:20 PM
Here is the link to the Team Sheets.

MU is on page 53

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2015,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: DFW HOYA on December 16, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
When was the last time Depaul received votes?

Before this, November 2000. Next longest streak outside the top 25 is Georgetown (last ranked March 2015).
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2019, 10:19:39 PM
Before this, November 2000. Next longest streak outside the top 25 is Georgetown (last ranked March 2015).
DFW Hoya:
Your Hoyas are sitting in a solid position to make the tournament if they can perform well in Big East conference play.
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Jay Bee on December 16, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
DFW Hoya:
Your Hoyas are sitting in a solid position to make the tournament if they can perform well in Big East conference play.

lol
Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2019, 11:02:27 PM
lol
3 easy games coming up . Wins are a good thing.

 Go 9-9 in conference and pick up more quality wins. Their Conference games are split between q1 and q2 with Providence at q3.

Put that together with the Good wins they have and they are in good shape.

 Not a stretch at all. Lots of good teams but no great teams in Big East. 

Title: Re: Big East Poll and NET rankings
Post by: Cheeks on December 17, 2019, 09:08:10 AM
3 easy games coming up . Wins are a good thing.

 Go 9-9 in conference and pick up more quality wins. Their Conference games are split between q1 and q2 with Providence at q3.

Put that together with the Good wins they have and they are in good shape.

 Not a stretch at all. Lots of good teams but no great teams in Big East.

If they can maintain, yes.  I suspect they are going to wear down in the conference due to their lack of depth.  Ewing will have to be careful how hard he pushes them in practice with so few bodies.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2019, 02:23:50 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of December 16
New  Old
4   4   Butler   
24   24   Villanova   
38   38   Georgetown   
43   43   DePaul   
53   53   Marquette   
56   56   Creighton   
58   55   Seton Hall      
65   65   St. John's
70   71   Xavier   
143   146   Providence   

12/15 Team Sheets MU Page 53
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2015,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 18, 2019, 01:18:32 PM
Big East Net Rankings as of December 17th
New Old
4   4   Butler   
27   24   Villanova   
38   38   Georgetown   
39   56   Creighton   
45   43   DePaul   
52   53   Marquette      
56   58   Seton Hall    
67   65   St. John's
71   70   Xavier   
150   143   Providence   

12/17 Team Sheets MU is page 52
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2017,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 19, 2019, 02:33:26 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of December 18,2019
New Old
4   4   Butler   
22   27   Villanova
30   38   Georgetown   
37   39   Creighton   
42   45   DePaul   
50   52   Marquette      
59   56   Seton Hall      
62   71   Xavier      
69   67   St. John's
156   150   Providence   

12/18 Team sheets not out yet
12/17 Team Sheets MU is Page 52
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2017,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 20, 2019, 09:40:27 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of December 19
New Old
5   4   Butler   
23   22   Villanova   
30   30   Georgetown   
37   37   Creighton   
41   59   Seton Hall   
45   42   DePaul   
58   50   Marquette   
65   62   Xavier   
69   69   St. John's
157   156   Providence   

12/19 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 58
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2019,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2019, 02:33:08 PM
Big East Net Rankings as of December 20
New Old
5   5   Butler   
25   23   Villanova   
33   30   Georgetown   
37   37   Creighton   
41   41   Seton Hall   
44   45   DePaul   
55   58   Marquette   
64   65   Xavier   
67   69   St. John's
157   157   Providence

12/20 Team Sheets   
MU is on Page 55
 https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2020,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 10:50:19 AM
Tower, you still think 12-6 in conf?   That’s pretty sporty.

The first four games we have, 1-3 very possible. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 22, 2019, 11:12:09 AM
Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 11:14:47 AM
Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.

I would be surprised if we do that.  I’ll take 10-8 right now.  Wouldn’t be surprised if it was 8-10.  Going to be a bear. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of December 21
New Old
3   5   Butler   
21   25   Villanova   
26   37   Creighton   
35   33   Georgetown   
36   41   Seton Hall   
37   44   DePaul   
50   67   St. John's
52   55   Marquette   
56   64   Xavier   
123   157   Providence
   
12/21 Team Sheets Not posted yet

12/20 Team Sheets
MU is on page 55
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2020,%202019.pdf

 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: IrwinFletcher on December 22, 2019, 04:34:41 PM
Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.

Anyone who is just penciling in 2 wins against DePaul hasn’t watched DePaul play this year.  What they have and haven’t done the past 15 years is irrelevant.  This is a pretty good team and their resume and rankings show just that.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on December 22, 2019, 04:41:22 PM
Anyone who is just penciling in 2 wins against DePaul hasn’t watched DePaul play this year.  What they have and haven’t done the past 15 years is irrelevant.  This is a pretty good team and their resume and rankings show just that.
Seems like this year home court is huge. Hold serve at home, steal a few on the road, Providence, Creighton, St Johns. 11 or 12 wins.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Cheeks on December 22, 2019, 04:56:03 PM
Seems like this year home court is huge. Hold serve at home, steal a few on the road, Providence, Creighton, St Johns. 11 or 12 wins.

We will lose at least one, probably two at home.  Question is whether we can steal more than 1 or 2 on road to offset
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: buckchuckler on December 22, 2019, 06:26:21 PM
Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.

Not to be negative, but we don't usually take both from DePaul when they are dog poop.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on December 22, 2019, 06:46:15 PM
Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.

I would substitute Georgetown for DePaul. Don’t get me wrong, the Hoyas have impressed since The Leftovers, but I think depth issues will really hurt once they get into conference play.

I'd also give us a decent shot at sweeping Creighton since we own their arena.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 22, 2019, 07:49:36 PM
I would substitute Georgetown for DePaul. Don’t get me wrong, the Hoyas have impressed since The Leftovers, but I think depth issues will really hurt once they get into conference play.

I'd also give us a decent shot at sweeping Creighton since we own their arena.

I think they get us this year. Its BE game 1.

Without looking back at it. In the New BE how many times have we started 1-0? Thats been a tough trend for us.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on December 22, 2019, 10:02:13 PM
I think they get us this year. Its BE game 1.

Without looking back at it. In the New BE how many times have we started 1-0? Thats been a tough trend for us.

Just 2016-17, Howard's freshman year. Time to finish it how he started.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 23, 2019, 06:39:42 PM
Big East Conference Rankings
AP
10. Nova
12. Butler
Others receiving votes - X, DePaul, MU, Creighton, St. Johns, Georgetown, Seton Hall
Coaches
9. Nova
11. Butler
Others receiving votes -Seton Hall, X, MU, Creighton , DePaul

D1 Net rankings as of December 22
New Old
3   3   Butler      
21   21   Villanova      
24   26   Creighton      
31   35   Georgetown   
32   36   Seton Hall   
35   37   DePaul   
48   50   St. John's    
50   52   Marquette   
51   56   Xavier   
119   123   Providence   

12/22 Team Sheets Not Available

12/20 Team Sheets
MU is on page 55
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2020,%202019.pdf



Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 25, 2019, 11:53:16 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of December 23
New Old
4   3   Butler   
21   21   Villanova   
24   24   Creighton   
31   31   Georgetown   
33   32   Seton Hall   
36   35   DePaul   
48   48   St. John's
50   50   Marquette
51   51   Xavier   
122   119   Providence   

Team Sheets have not been updated since 12/20

12/20 Team Sheets
MU is on page 55
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2020,%202019.pdf


Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 79Warrior on December 25, 2019, 01:05:26 PM
Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.

I think 10-8 would be solid.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 26, 2019, 11:10:27 AM
Big East NET rankings as of December 25
New Old
3   4   Butler   
21   21   Villanova   
24   24   Creighton   
29   31   Georgetown   
34   33   Seton Hall
36   36   DePaul   
47   48   St. John's
50   50   Marquette   
52   51   Xavier   
122   122   Providence   

12/25 NCAA Detailed NET summary. Will post team sheets as soon as they are available.

http://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Nitty%20Gritty%20-%20Dec.%2025,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of December 27
New Old
3   3   Butler   
21   21   Villanova   
24   24   Creighton   
29   29   Georgetown   
34   34   Seton Hall   
36   36   DePaul   
47   47   St. John's
50   50   Marquette   
52   52   Xavier   
121   122   Providence   

12/27 Team Sheets
MU is on page 50
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2027,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: IrwinFletcher on December 28, 2019, 07:51:38 PM
Interesting that Marquette will likely only have 1 Q3 game all year and 23 of their 30 games will be Q1 or Q2 games.  We are also scheduled to play 14 Q1 games (could change) with 12 more to go, so plenty of chances to have an impressive resume.  Have to think that will be a feature to our schedule that will help come selection Sunday.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Nukem2 on December 29, 2019, 08:53:30 AM
MU zooms up to #37 from #50 in the NET ranks following yesterday’s blowout win.  Guess those offensive efficiency numbers are really significant in the NET calcs.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2019, 09:56:13 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of December 28
New Old
3   3   Butler   
21   21   Villanova   
24   24   Creighton   
31   29   Georgetown   
34   34   Seton Hall   
37   50   Marquette   
38   36   DePaul   
49   47   St. John's
53   52   Xavier   

12/28 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 37
123   121   Providence   

12/29
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on December 29, 2019, 10:21:31 AM
Wow, that’s quite the jump. I wonder if UW pounding Tennessee helped that as well.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on December 29, 2019, 10:32:40 AM
MU zooms up to #37 from #50 in the NET ranks following yesterday’s blowout win.  Guess those offensive efficiency numbers are really significant in the NET calcs.

I know people don't feel the necessity of running up efficiency margins, but even against crap teams, it helps. Wisconsin and Purdue winning likely helped, but our margin was the biggest determiner, no doubt.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2019, 07:50:48 AM
Big East NET rankings as of December 29
New Old
4   3   Butler   
20   21   Villanova   
25   24   Creighton   
30   31   Georgetown   
33   34   Seton Hall   
35   37   Marquette   
39   38   DePaul   
49   49   St. John's
53   53   Xavier   
129   123   Providence   

12/29 Team Sheets Not available

12/28 Team sheets
MU is on page 37
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2028,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
12/29 Team Sheets  came out
MU is on Page 35
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2029,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 30, 2019, 10:08:03 AM
Big East NET rankings as of December 29
New Old
4   3   Butler   
20   21   Villanova   
25   24   Creighton   
30   31   Georgetown   
33   34   Seton Hall   
35   37   Marquette   
39   38   DePaul   
49   49   St. John's
53   53   Xavier   
129   123   Providence   

12/29 Team Sheets Not available

12/28 Team sheets
MU is on page 37
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2028,%202019.pdf

Georgetown ahead of us.  Wow.  New Big East has been interesting - very solid top to bottom yet ultimately just 1 or 2 Top 25 caliber teams.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on December 30, 2019, 10:50:25 AM
Question: Are the Q1, Q2 etc determined at the time of playing, or end of year? 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 30, 2019, 10:55:17 AM
Question: Are the Q1, Q2 etc determined at the time of playing, or end of year?

End of year
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 30, 2019, 11:05:45 AM
Question: Are the Q1, Q2 etc determined at the time of playing, or end of year?

End of year if I recall correctly
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on December 30, 2019, 11:44:00 AM
Question: Are the Q1, Q2 etc determined at the time of playing, or end of year?

Ultimately, end of year, but when you look at a team sheet, it's wherever the team stands as of that moment. So North Dakota State is currently a Q4 opponent, but if they handily win on Thursday (15+ points, favored by 13) they will likely move up to Q3. But they could easily move back and forth between Q3 and Q4 as the year goes on, possibly even get to Q2 if they really dominated the Summit.

The only number that matters is where the Quadrants & NET stand on Selection Sunday. Worth noting, if you ever go back to look at past NCAA rankings (NET or RPI) they will show a final number and a "previous" number. The more important one is actually the "previous" number because that is taking into account where teams stood when bids were allocated. It's fine to consider the results of the various postseason tournaments, but it's not like they retroactively change anyone's end-season results.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 30, 2019, 11:55:40 AM
Big East Conference Poll Rankings
AP
10. Nova
11. Butler
Others Receiving Votes-X, DePaul, MU, Georgetown, Creighton, The Johnnies, The Hall

Coaches
9. Nova
10. Butler
Others Receiving Votes- X, MU,Creighton, DePaul, The Hall 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on December 31, 2019, 09:54:09 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of December 30
New Old
4   4   Butler   
17   20   Villanova   
24   25   Creighton   
25   33   Seton Hall   
29   30   Georgetown   
35   35   Marquette   
51   49   St. John's
52   53   Xavier   
67   39   DePaul   
128   129   Providence

12/30 Team Sheets Not out
12/29 Team Sheet
MU is on page 35
   https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2029,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 31, 2019, 10:50:51 AM
Damn. DePaul took a hit.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 31, 2019, 11:27:14 AM
Damn. DePaul took a hit.

Gotta protect home. Road wins are VERY valuable too. A win at Creighton would be really good for us.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: mubb3434 on January 01, 2020, 11:24:58 AM
MU up to 31 from 35 in today’s NET rankings.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 01, 2020, 12:39:28 PM
Big East Net Rankings as of December 31
New Old
4   4   Butler   
16   17   Villanova   
22   24   Creighton   
25   25   Seton Hall   
31   35   Marquette   
47   52   Xavier   
53   29   Georgetown   
56   51   St. John's
68   67   DePaul   
108   128   Providence   

12/31 Team Sheets
MU is on page 31
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2031,%202019.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: mubb3434 on January 02, 2020, 05:13:17 AM
MU dropped to 37 in the NET rankings. Thought it would be more than that...
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: CTWarrior on January 02, 2020, 06:34:53 AM
MU dropped to 37 in the NET rankings. Thought it would be more than that...
I wonder how much scoring those last 9 cosmetic points after they emptied the bench helped.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: mubb3434 on January 02, 2020, 06:45:49 AM
I wonder how much scoring those last 9 cosmetic points after they emptied the bench helped.

Would love to figure out the impact...
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2020, 06:49:00 AM
Big East NET rankings as of January 1
New Old
4   4   Butler   
17   16   Villanova   
22   22   Creighton   
25   25   Seton Hall   
37   31   Marquette   
48   47   Xavier   
49   53   Georgetown   
54   56   St. John's
63   68   DePaul   
107   108   Providence
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 02, 2020, 07:41:01 AM
I wonder how much scoring those last 9 cosmetic points after they emptied the bench helped.

And how many seed lines did it cost the Blue Jays? LOL.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 02, 2020, 08:04:08 AM
Just as notable, Creighton won what was a borderline Q1 game at home and didn't rise at all.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 02, 2020, 08:09:22 AM
MU dropped to 37 in the NET rankings. Thought it would be more than that...

Most impact comes from losing at home.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 02, 2020, 08:42:11 AM
And how many seed lines did it cost the Blue Jays? LOL.

Depending how the chips fall, I would guess a max of 1.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2020, 08:54:39 AM
12/31 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 37
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%201,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Eldon on January 02, 2020, 10:46:24 AM
Depending how the chips fall, I would guess a max of 1.

So it's conceptually possible that it could cost them a tourney bid?
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 02, 2020, 02:19:52 PM
So it's conceptually possible that it could cost them a tourney bid?

As silly as it sounds, yes.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2020, 02:18:16 PM
Big East NET rankings as of January 2
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4   4   Butler   
17   17   Villanova   
23   22   Creighton   
28   25   Seton Hall
34   37   Marquette   
44   48   Xavier   
46   49   Georgetown   
48   54   St. John's    
63   63   DePaul   
105   107   Providence
   
1/02 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 34
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%202,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2020, 09:25:00 AM
Big East NET rankings as of January 3
New Old
4   4   Butler   
19   17   Villanova   
23   23   Creighton   
25   28   Seton Hall   
33   34   Marquette   
45   44   Xavier   
47   48   St. John's
54   46   Georgetown   
63   63   DePaul   
108   105   Providence   

1/3 Team Sheets Not Posted Yet
/02 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 34
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%202,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2020, 08:12:29 PM
1/3 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 33
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%203,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: mubb3434 on January 05, 2020, 08:34:40 AM
Big jump in NET for MU after beating Nova. Up to 25 from 33.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2020, 09:20:16 AM
Big East NET rankings as of January 4
New Old
3   4   Butler   
22   23   Creighton   
24   19   Villanova   
25   33   Marquette   
27   25   Seton Hall   
43   45   Xavier   
47   47   St. John's
58   54   Georgetown   
77   63   DePaul   
98   108   Providence   

1/04 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%204,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 06, 2020, 04:06:54 AM
This is an interesting research report on some of the mysterious workings of how the NET ranking is derived.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mwcconnection.com/platform/amp/2020/1/3/21048510/stats-corner-san-diego-state-and-their-1-ranking
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 06, 2020, 08:40:52 AM
Big East Net Rankings as games of January 5
New Old
3   3   Butler   
21   22   Creighton   
23   24   Villanova   
25   27   Seton Hall   
27   25   Marquette   
41   43   Xavier   
58   58   Georgetown   
63   47   St. John's
78   77   DePaul   
100   98   Providence   

1/05 Team Sheets Not out yet
1/04 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%204,%202020.pdf

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: shoothoops on January 06, 2020, 08:52:05 AM
USC was crushed 72-40 at Washington.

Purdue lost big at Illinois.

Life on the road in league play.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 06, 2020, 09:21:59 AM
USC was crushed 72-40 at Washington.

Purdue lost big at Illinois.

Life on the road in league play.

Both of those outcomes are bad for us.  Dropped us two spots in NET
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 06, 2020, 09:44:49 AM
1/5 Team Sheets
MU is on page 27
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%205,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on January 06, 2020, 12:27:03 PM
Both of those outcomes are bad for us.  Dropped us two spots in NET

Glad it was only two spots, though. Davidson also lost. 2 spot drop is tiny given the results yesterday.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 06, 2020, 12:47:08 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of January 6
AP
6. Butler
16. Nova
Others receiving votes- The Hall, MU, X, Creighton
Coaches
6. Butler
16. Nova
25. The Hall

Others receiving votes-MU, X, Creighton
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 07, 2020, 09:54:35 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 6
New Old
3     3      Butler   
21  21    Creighton   
23   23   Villanova   
25   25    Seton Hall   
27   27    Marquette   
40   41    Xavier     
60   63    St. John's
61   58    Georgetown
78   78    DePaul   
99  100   Providence   

1/6 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 27
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%206,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2020, 09:10:07 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of January 7
New Old
4   3   Butler   
19   23   Villanova   
22   25   Seton Hall   
32   21   Creighton   
35   27   Marquette   
38   40   Xavier   
57   60   St. John's
58   61   Georgetown   
77   78   DePaul   
81   99   Providence

1/07 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 35
   https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%207,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 09, 2020, 08:50:24 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of  January 8
New Old
4   4   Butler   
19   22   Seton Hall   
20   19   Villanova   
32   32   Creighton   
37   35   Marquette   
50   58   Georgetown   
54   38   Xavier   
73   57   St. John's
74   77   DePaul   
81   81   Providence   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 10, 2020, 10:00:56 PM
Big East Net Rankings as of January 9
 4   4   Butler   
19   19   Seton Hall   
20   20   Villanova   
32   32   Creighton   
39   37   Marquette   
47   50   Georgetown   
52   54   Xavier
71   73   St. John's
73   74   DePaul   
78   81   Providence   

1/09 Team sheets
MU is on page 39
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%209,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 11, 2020, 08:09:19 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of January 10
3   4   Butler   
19   19   Seton Hall   
20   20   Villanova   
31   32   Creighton   
41   39   Marquette   
47   47   Georgetown   
51   52   Xavier   
71   73   DePaul   
72   71   St. John's
82   78   Providence   

1/10 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 41
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2010,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2020, 07:23:20 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 11
3   3   Butler   
17   19   Seton Hall   
20   20   Villanova   
28   31   Creighton   
40   41   Marquette   
52   47   Georgetown   
55   51   Xavier   
64   72   St. John's
73   71   DePaul   
90   82   Providence   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on January 12, 2020, 11:38:50 AM
Can't believe we moved up a spot after yesterday's loss. I suppose most of our opponents won.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2020, 02:51:37 PM
Can't believe we moved up a spot after yesterday's loss. I suppose most of our opponents won.

It was also a game we were supposed to lose, so losing that one really doesn't hurt us much.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2020, 07:33:10 PM
1/11 Team Sheets
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2011,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 13, 2020, 10:20:45 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of Games of January 12

New Old
2   3   Butler   
19   17   Seton Hall   
20   20   Villanova   
27   28   Creighton   
42   40   Marquette   
52   52   Georgetown
56   55   Xavier   
65   64   St Johns
72   73   DePaul   
90   90   Providence
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 13, 2020, 10:47:48 AM
1/12 Team Sheets
MU is on page 42
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2012,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252fsolutions%252frpi%252fSitePages%252fHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 13, 2020, 07:38:47 PM
Big East Rankings
AP
5. Butler
14. Nova
18. The Hall
25. Creighton
Coaches
5. Butler
15. Nova
18. The Hall
Others Receiving Votes- Creighton, MU,X, Cooley& Co.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 13
New Old
2   2   Butler   
19   19   Seton Hall   
20   20   Villanova   
27   27   Creighton   
42   42   Marquette   
52   52   Georgetown   
56   56   Xavier   
65   65   St. John's
72   72   DePaul   
91   90   Providence
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 08:39:19 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 14
New Old
2   2   Butler   
18   19   Seton Hall   
21   20   Villanova   
27   27   Creighton   
42   42   Marquette   
53   52   Georgetown   
57   56   Xavier   
64   72   DePaul   
65   65   St. John's
91   91   Providence   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 15, 2020, 01:56:34 PM
1/14 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 42
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2014,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2020, 08:13:21 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 15
New Old
7   2   Butler   
11   18   Seton Hall   
21   21   Villanova   
29   27   Creighton   
36   42   Marquette   
49   53   Georgetown   
64   64   DePaul   
69   57   Xavier   
73   65   St. John's
85   91   Providence   

1/15 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 36
http://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2015,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 17, 2020, 11:31:19 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 16
New Old
7   7   Butler   
12   11   Seton Hall   
20   21   Villanova   
30   29   Creighton   
35   36   Marquette   
48   49   Georgetown   
63   64   DePaul
67   69   Xavier   
74   73   St. John's
86   85   Providence   

1/16 Team Sheets
MU is on page 35
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2016,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 18, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
Big East Net Ranking as of January 17
New Old
7   7   Butler   
11   12   Seton Hall   
20   20   Villanova   
30   30   Creighton   
35   35   Marquette   
48   48   Georgetown   
63   63   DePaul   
69   67   Xavier   
75   74   St. John's
85   86   Providence

1/17 Team Sheets
MU is on page 35

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2017,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on January 19, 2020, 07:13:21 AM
MU moves up to #30 from #35(not as much as I thought they would move). USC moves from #51 to #46, now giving MU another Q1 win(for now anyway). K State moved from #103 all the way up to #85. The NET is weird. I don't know why they can't/don't release the formula.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 19, 2020, 07:37:16 AM
Big East D1 Net rankings as of games of January 18
New Old
7   7   Butler   
12   11   Seton Hall   
17   20   Villanova   
30   35   Marquette   
33   30   Creighton   
51   63   DePaul   
52   48   Georgetown   
68   69   Xavier   
76   75   St. John's
80   85   Providence   

1/18 Team Sheets
MU is on page 30

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2018,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 19, 2020, 09:27:30 AM
The NET is weird. I don't know why they can't/don't release the formula.

They don't want teams to game the system like they did with RPI.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 19, 2020, 09:28:36 AM
MU moves up to #30 from #35(not as much as I thought they would move). USC moves from #51 to #46, now giving MU another Q1 win(for now anyway). K State moved from #103 all the way up to #85. The NET is weird. I don't know why they can't/don't release the formula.

Moving to 30 is about what I expected
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 20, 2020, 05:01:18 AM
Big East NET rankings as of January 19
New Old
7   7   Butler   
12   12   Seton Hall   
17   17   Villanova   
30   30   Marquette   
33   33   Creighton   
51   51   DePaul   
52   52   Georgetown
68   68   Xavier   
76   76   St. John's
79   80   Providence

1/19 Team Sheets
MU is on page 30
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2019,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252fsolutions%252frpi%252fSitePages%252fHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 20, 2020, 11:58:50 AM
Big East Rankings January 20
AP
9. The Hall
10. Nova
13. Butler
Others receiving votes-Creighton , MU
Coaches
10. The Hall
11.Nova
12. Butler
Others receiving votes-Creighton,MU
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2020, 08:58:38 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 20
New Old
8   7   Butler   
12   12   Seton Hall   
17   17   Villanova   
30   30   Marquette   
33   33   Creighton   
52   51   DePaul   
53   52   Georgetown   
68   68   Xavier   
77   76   St. John's
80   79   Providence   

1/20 Team Sheets
MU is on page 30
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2020,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 07:47:11 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 21
New Old
9   8   Butler   
12   12   Seton Hall   
16   17   Villanova   
28   30   Marquette   
34   33   Creighton   
52   52   DePaul   
53   53   Georgetown   
68   68   Xavier   
80   77   St. John's
81   80   Providence   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on January 22, 2020, 08:51:47 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 21
New Old
9   8   Butler   
12   12   Seton Hall   
16   17   Villanova   
28   30   Marquette   
34   33   Creighton   
52   52   DePaul   
53   53   Georgetown   
68   68   Xavier   
80   77   St. John's
81   80   Providence

I’m a little surprised we moved up with Purdue and KSU getting killed, and a home win against a lower team.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Its DJOver on January 22, 2020, 08:59:04 AM
I’m a little surprised we moved up with Purdue and KSU getting killed, and a home win against a lower team.

We won and covered, Maryland won and covered, Madison won and covered.  Even with K-State and Purdue losing, up 2 seems about right.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 22, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
It's time to start thinking about Quadrants and Team Sheets.

Right now the glaring hole in our resume is the lack of Quad 1A wins.  We have four losses: Maryland, Seton Hall, Wisconsin, and Creighton.  Our Quad 1B is better with three wins: Nova, Georgetown, USC.  Overall that gets us to 3-4 in Quad 1, but the Quad 1A losses hurt.

Good thing we still have some chances to pick up Quad 1A wins: Butler x 2, Seton Hall, and @Villanova are all likely to be Quad 1A games, while @DePaul and @Xavier are very winnable Quad 1B games.  Plus any of these games in MSG would be Quad 1s: (1A) Hall, Nova, Butler, (1B) Creighton, maybe Depaul and Georgetown.

Would also be nice to see Providence rise a few spots and turn that Quad 3 loss into a Quad 2 loss.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 22, 2020, 10:14:47 AM
It's time to start thinking about Quadrants and Team Sheets.

Right now the glaring hole in our resume is the lack of Quad 1A wins.  We have four losses: Maryland, Seton Hall, Wisconsin, and Creighton.  Our Quad 1B is better with three wins: Nova, Georgetown, USC.  Overall that gets us to 3-4 in Quad 1, but the Quad 1A losses hurt.

Good thing we still have some chances to pick up Quad 1A wins: Butler x 2, Seton Hall, and @Villanova are all likely to be Quad 1A games, while @DePaul and @Xavier are very winnable Quad 1B games.  Plus any of these games in MSG would be Quad 1s: (1A) Hall, Nova, Butler, (1B) Creighton, maybe Depaul and Georgetown.

Would also be nice to see Providence rise a few spots and turn that Quad 3 loss into a Quad 2 loss.

The good news is Villanova is really close to Q1A. The cut-off is 15 and they are currently 16. I'm looking at the lower quadrants a lot. I'm hoping K-State can move to the top-75 for another Q1 win. St. John's, Providence, and Davidson are all pretty close to moving up to Q2 as well. Would be really nice to see that movement.

Right now, Purdue, K-State, and Davidson are the three biggest resume disappointments. Really thought those could all be Q1 games at the start of the season. Davidson especially, both Grady & Gudmundsson are posting career lows in offensive efficiency.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2020, 12:34:57 PM
1/21 Team Sheets
MU is on page 28
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2021,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 23, 2020, 06:49:31 AM
Big East NET rankings as of Games of January 22
New Old
9   9   Butler   
12   12   Seton Hall   
16   16   Villanova   
27   28   Marquette   
28   34   Creighton   
55   53   Georgetown
59   52   DePaul   
61   68   Xavier   
79   80   St. John's
80   81   Providence   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 23, 2020, 10:17:24 PM
1/22 Team Sheets
MU is on page 27
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2022,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: CountryRoads on January 23, 2020, 11:51:41 PM
1/22 Team Sheets
MU is on page 27
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2022,%202020.pdf

Providence loss still sitting in Q3. They’re a decent team but really screwed the Big East by having such an awful non-conference.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2020, 07:30:55 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 23
New Old
8   9   Butler   
12   12   Seton Hall
15   16   Villanova   
26   27   Marquette   
27   28   Creighton   
55   55   Georgetown   
57   59   DePaul   
60   61   Xavier   
79   79   St. John's
81   80   Providence   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2020, 01:17:30 PM
1/23 Team Sheets
MU is On Page 27
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2023,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 25, 2020, 07:36:43 AM
Big East Net ranking as of games of January 24
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8   8   Butler   
13   12   Seton Hall   
15   15   Villanova   
25   26   Marquette
26   27   Creighton   
55   55   Georgetown   
57   57   DePaul   
61   60   Xavier   
80   81   Providence   
81   79   St. John's

1/24 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2024,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on January 25, 2020, 08:58:41 AM
Losing in OT at Butler moved MU up.   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on January 25, 2020, 11:34:04 AM
Thanks for posting these daily Herman, it’s appreciated.

Maybe it’s just me, but I feel like this is a solid Big East year. I think many of the teams have the makeup to do well in the postseason, and I will be really rooting for them all. Not many hate-able teams in conference this season, a lot of things to like
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Heisenberg v2.0 on January 25, 2020, 12:55:07 PM
Losing in OT at Butler moved MU up.   

And MU remained unchanged at 32 in KenPom numbers.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 25, 2020, 02:27:11 PM
And MU remained unchanged at 32 in KenPom numbers.

Rank stayed the same but their score went up a little bit.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Tha Hound on January 25, 2020, 02:49:24 PM
Rank stayed the same but their score went up a little bit.

The Committee is also obviously looking at NET moreso than Kenpom, so that's a plus.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TSmith34 on January 25, 2020, 04:30:34 PM
Losing in OT at Butler moved MU up.   
We should lose every game!
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2020, 11:28:52 AM
Big East NET rankings as of Games of January 25
New Old
8   8   Butler   
12   13   Seton Hall   
14   15   Villanova   
25   25   Marquette   
26   26   Creighton   
53   55   Georgetown   
59   61   Xavier   
66   81   St. John's
67   57   DePaul   
80   80   Providence   

1/25 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2025,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 27, 2020, 04:57:05 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 26
New Old
9   8   Butler   
12   12   Seton Hall   
14   14   Villanova   
24   26   Creighton   
26   25   Marquette   
53   53   Georgetown
63   59   Xavier   
66   66   St. John's
68   67   DePaul   
79   80   Providence
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 27, 2020, 11:56:59 AM
1/26 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 26

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2026,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx


Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 27, 2020, 01:07:21 PM
Big East Poll Rankings January 27
AP
8. Nova
10. The Hall
16. Butler
Others Receiving Votes -Creighton
Coaches
9. The Hall
10.Nova
17.Butler
Others Receiving Votes-Creighton ,MU
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on January 27, 2020, 01:41:47 PM
Our team sheet looks pretty good. If Purdue can somehow find their way back into the top 30 it would look great.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 28, 2020, 12:30:18 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 27
New Old
9   9   Butler
12   12   Seton Hall   
14   14   Villanova   
24   24   Creighton   
26   26   Marquette   
52   53   Georgetown   
63   63   Xavier   
66   68   DePaul   
67   66   St. John's
78   79   Providence

1/27 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2027,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2020, 08:42:36 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 28
New Old
9   9   Butler   
11   14   Villanova   
13   12   Seton Hall   
22   24   Creighton   
26   26   Marquette   
52   52   Georgetown   
61   63   Xavier   
64   66   DePaul   
72   67   St. John's
78   78   Providence
   
1/28 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
http://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2028,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 29, 2020, 09:17:02 AM
Chance for a Quad 1 (albeit 1B) win tonight at Xavier.  Quad 1 losses don't really hurt, but quad 1 wins certainly help.

Would be nice to see Providence move up just three spots and turn that Q3 loss into a Q2.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Its DJOver on January 29, 2020, 09:20:17 AM
Chance for a Quad 1 (albeit 1B) win tonight at Xavier.  Quad 1 losses don't really hurt, but quad 1 wins certainly help.

Would be nice to see Providence move up just three spots and turn that Q3 loss into a Q2.

Purdue had a nice chance to move back into Q1 last night, but lost.  Davidson is back into Q2, although by the skin of their teeth.  Those 2 plus Providence are the three biggest to watch and hope for positive movement IMO.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2020, 12:08:09 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 29
New Old
8   9   Butler   
12   11   Villanova   
13   13   Seton Hall   
25   26   Marquette   
26   22   Creighton   
49   52   Georgetown   
58   64   DePaul   
62   61   Xavier   
73   72   St. John's
77   78   Providence   

1/29 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2029,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on January 30, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
4-5 in Q1 and 4-0 in Q2 is a pretty damn good resume.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on January 30, 2020, 12:20:04 PM
4-5 in Q1 and 4-0 in Q2 is a pretty damn good resume.

I was surprised that MU only moved up 1 spot in the NET last night after a Q1 road win. I thought they might even crack the top 20. The thing that probably hurt them is Davidson being back into Q3 after a 4OT loss last night. What a disappointing season they are having. That win for MU before the season started was supposed to look really good. Unfortunately not so much.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 30, 2020, 03:09:08 PM
4-5 in Q1 and 4-0 in Q2 is a pretty damn good resume.

I'd prefer 4-1 in Q2 with a clean slate in Q3 and Q4 to what we have now.  Come on Providence!
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 30, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
I'd prefer 4-1 in Q2 with a clean slate in Q3 and Q4 to what we have now.  Come on Providence!

We'll survive that loss, but it does hurt.  Things look so much better at 6-3 (16-5) without that crummy home loss. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2020, 03:19:48 PM
I was surprised that MU only moved up 1 spot in the NET last night after a Q1 road win. I thought they might even crack the top 20. The thing that probably hurt them is Davidson being back into Q3 after a 4OT loss last night. What a disappointing season they are having. That win for MU before the season started was supposed to look really good. Unfortunately not so much.
NCAA has not published any formula. They say the model is designed to be predictive in nature and that as the year goes by it becomes more accurate.

As far the team sheets go, I agree that the Davidson win is not going to be doing much for us. We just have to keep building our resume in the remaining Big East games. Committee has consistently said in the interview after the tournament picks are announced , that they give a lot of weighting to the number of quality wins a team has been able to achieve.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on January 30, 2020, 03:44:14 PM
NCAA has not published any formula. They say the model is designed to be predictive in nature and that as the year goes by it becomes more accurate.

As far the team sheets go, I agree that the Davidson win is not going to be doing much for us. We just have to keep building our resume in the remaining Big East games. Committee has consistently said in the interview after the tournament picks are announced , that they give a lot of weighting to the number of quality wins a team has been able to achieve.

On the flip side, the USC win looks better than anyone could have anticipated.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: shoothoops on January 31, 2020, 08:39:49 AM
Friday January 31, Marquette is now 22 in NCAA Net Rankings.

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lurch91 on January 31, 2020, 08:44:05 AM
Friday January 31, Marquette is now 22 in NCAA Net Rankings.

Ridiculous!! Don't they know Wojo can't coach and our team won every game due to luck??
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on January 31, 2020, 08:46:40 AM
I was surprised that MU only moved up 1 spot in the NET last night after a Q1 road win. I thought they might even crack the top 20. The thing that probably hurt them is Davidson being back into Q3 after a 4OT loss last night. What a disappointing season they are having. That win for MU before the season started was supposed to look really good. Unfortunately not so much.

Davidson having a much worse season than I thought. Good team last year, with most key players returning and a fine coach. But they lost two guys early on, and their best players - including the returning A10 POY - are having mediocre seasons. Sucks for them ... and for us! K-State also has not had as good a season as I thought they would.

But as BM1090 pointed out, USC is having a better-than-expected season. Plus, every time it looks like Purdue is cooked, they pull off a huge win or two.

Pretty happy with a NET of 22, considering everything.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: tower912 on January 31, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
Ridiculous!! Don't they know Wojo can't coach and our team won every game due to luck??
Clearly, NET is a delusional pro-jo-er. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Tha Hound on January 31, 2020, 10:05:18 AM
*Eye emoji*
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 31, 2020, 11:26:33 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 30
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8   8   Butler   
13   12   Villanova   
14   13   Seton Hall   
22   25   Marquette   
25   26   Creighton   
49   49   Georgetown   
59   58   DePaul   
63   62   Xavier
73   73   St. John's
78   77   Providence   

1/30 Team Sheets
MU is on page 22
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2030,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252fsolutions%252frpi%252fSitePages%252fHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: fjm on January 31, 2020, 11:47:15 AM
Friday January 31, Marquette is now 22 in NCAA Net Rankings.

Classic Wojo. Intentionally demotivating his team and encouraging weak fouls to get us to a 22 ranking. Boo
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Goose on January 31, 2020, 11:55:10 AM
Serious question, what seeding would that give us if the season ended today?
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2020, 11:58:26 AM
Serious question, what seeding would that give us if the season ended today?

22 on net means a 6, maybe a 7 if they had to adjust locations.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on January 31, 2020, 12:01:56 PM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 30
New Old
8   8   Butler   
13   12   Villanova   
14   13   Seton Hall   
22   25   Marquette   
25   26   Creighton   
49   49   Georgetown   
59   58   DePaul   
63   62   Xavier
73   73   St. John's
78   77   Providence   

1/30 Team Sheets
MU is on page 22
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2030,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252fsolutions%252frpi%252fSitePages%252fHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
thanks. Still trying to figure out how Ohio State is 17.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/AXorq76Tg3Vte/200.webp?cid=790b7611c6ebea72d3b29530d71d5adcf0598bc726fd3c12&rid=200.webp)
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on January 31, 2020, 12:04:03 PM
Serious question, what seeding would that give us if the season ended today?

Hmm ... 22/4= X .... hmmm idk
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Goose on January 31, 2020, 12:14:08 PM
Sandy

Hmmm...not sure that is exactly how it works
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: CrowdOf5 on January 31, 2020, 12:20:29 PM
Sandy

Hmmm...not sure that is exactly how it works

Net is only part of the seeding evaluation.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 31, 2020, 12:34:35 PM
Serious question, what seeding would that give us if the season ended today?

If they went strictly by the NET, 6. That said, I could see some teams behind us like Kentucky, Creighton, Auburn, and Illinois being seeded higher than us. I would put money on a 7 right now, but anything 6-8 feels about right.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on January 31, 2020, 12:38:12 PM
If they went strictly by the NET, 6. That said, I could see some teams behind us like Kentucky, Creighton, Auburn, and Illinois being seeded higher than us. I would put money on a 7 right now, but anything 6-8 feels about right.
A fun fact from last year. NC State final NET ranking was 33 and they did not make the tournament at all.

I believe we have enough quality wins to make the tournament, but am not sure what kind of seeding we will get. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 31, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
A fun fact from last year. NC State final NET ranking was 33 and they did not make the tournament at all.

I believe we have enough quality wins to make the tournament, but am not sure what kind of seeding we will get.

They were the definition of gaming the system (interesting since no one knew the system at the time) and the SC saw through it. Of the 46 brackets on bracketmatrix.com to update since Tuesday, 45 have us between the 6-8 lines.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on January 31, 2020, 12:59:18 PM
A fun fact from last year. NC State final NET ranking was 33 and they did not make the tournament at all.

I could see Wisconsin being in the same position this year.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: onepostdavis on January 31, 2020, 01:15:54 PM
Just want to get an at-large bid
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: baumu on January 31, 2020, 02:14:32 PM
Just want to get an at-large bid

I want that automatic bid.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 31, 2020, 02:21:47 PM
22 on net means a 6, maybe a 7 if they had to adjust locations.

Also maybe a 5, same reason.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 31, 2020, 09:30:19 PM
Who did well for us that we jumped 3 spots yesterday??
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on January 31, 2020, 10:24:38 PM
Who did well for us that we jumped 3 spots yesterday??

Maryland, Robert Morris, USC, & North Dakota State all won. NDSU in blowout fashion. Jacksonville lost a game they should have won narrowly.

Stanford lost and dropped 11 spots. We also passed Kentucky & Penn State, who probably just didn't have as good of non-con results on the day.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: auburnmarquette on February 01, 2020, 07:51:31 AM
By my quick review only 9 teams have played more quad 1 games than Marquette - of those Kansas is the only team not in the big ten or big east.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2020, 02:13:05 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 31
New Old
8   8   Butler   
13   13   Villanova   
14   14   Seton Hall
22   22   Marquette   
25   25   Creighton   
49   49   Georgetown   
59   59   DePaul   
61   63   Xavier   
73   73   St. John's
75   78   Providence

1/31 Team Sheets
MU is on page 22
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2031,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252fsolutions%252frpi%252fSitePages%252fHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: shoothoops on February 02, 2020, 06:43:42 AM
Marquette falls from 22 to 25 in NCAA Net Rankings after DePaul win.

Creighton made big leap forward from 25 to 14 with win at Villanova.

Auburn's win over Kentucky, and Stanford's win over Oregon were also big movers.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2020, 06:49:56 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 1
New Old
12   8   Butler   
13   13   Villanova   
14   25   Creighton   
17   14   Seton Hall   
25   22   Marquette   
47   61   Xavier   
51   49   Georgetown   
59   59   DePaul   
64   75   Providence   
73   73   St. John's
2/1 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%201,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TSmith34 on February 02, 2020, 09:58:20 AM
Marquette falls from 22 to 25 in NCAA Net Rankings after DePaul win.

Creighton made big leap forward from 25 to 14 with win at Villanova.

Auburn's win over Kentucky, and Stanford's win over Oregon were also big movers.
And IIRC, MU moved up after losing to Butler.  It's obvious--MU needs to lose out to get a high seed.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on February 02, 2020, 10:05:40 AM
Other than Georgetown at home, it looks like every other game is Q1. For Q1A games remaining, 2 out of 3 are at home. We have a great opportunity to put a very nice resume together and climb seed lines.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: CountryRoads on February 02, 2020, 10:08:42 AM
Nice to see Providence win and move up to 64. Be nice if they stay in the top 75 so that loss is only Q2.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TheGym on February 02, 2020, 10:12:11 AM
By my quick review only 9 teams have played more quad 1 games than Marquette - of those Kansas is the only team not in the big ten or big east.

Looking at the upcoming schedule the Big East is the only conference without any Q3 or Q4 games left on the schedule.  The Big Ten is close, except for Nebraska or Northwestern games.  It is crazy how the good from top to bottom the Big East is this year.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 02, 2020, 10:53:19 AM
Providence moving up to Q2 is big for the resume. Been hoping that would happen for awhile. A few things to watch for this week from a resume perspective...

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2020, 10:55:46 AM
USC getting their clocks cleaned last night was not beneficial for us
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2020, 12:20:50 PM
Providence moving up to Q2 is big for the resume. Been hoping that would happen for awhile. A few things to watch for this week from a resume perspective...

  • Loyola-Maryland: This has been the biggest disappointment in my opinion, but Santi Aldama finally debuted & had 11 points and 3 assists in just 17 minutes as the Greyhounds got their first league win in almost a month. Worth watching to see if their fortunes improve with the Spanish NBA prospect now available.

They had two significant injuries that have just killed them. They were 9-5 before the second injury with all the losses being on the road to better teams. They lost their next 8 games. They did win Aldama's debut yesterday so maybe they turn it around.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on February 02, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
USC getting their clocks cleaned last night was not beneficial for us

Davidson winning by about 100 was nice, though.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on February 02, 2020, 03:16:55 PM
Just for grins and since we have the week off, anyone wanna speculate where MU would be in the NET if they win their net 3 in a row??

Butler(H)
@Nova
Creighton(H)

Now obviously their are external factors that go into it(opponents results), but on their own merits, where do we think those 3 wins would land MU??
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2020, 03:45:25 PM
Just for grins and since we have the week off, anyone wanna speculate where MU would be in the NET if they win their net 3 in a row??

Butler(H)
@Nova
Creighton(H)

Now obviously their are external factors that go into it(opponents results), but on their own merits, where do we think those 3 wins would land MU??
They have said the NET model is predictive in nature , so a winning streak  like that , against strong teams, would indicate that the team is doing well so most likely some modest improvement. Especially if those in front are in typical conference mode where there is cannibalization going on.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on February 02, 2020, 04:08:27 PM
Just for grins and since we have the week off, anyone wanna speculate where MU would be in the NET if they win their net 3 in a row??

Butler(H)
@Nova
Creighton(H)

Now obviously their are external factors that go into it(opponents results), but on their own merits, where do we think those 3 wins would land MU??

I’ll take a guess- #13-15.

If we win 2/3 I’d go with just inside 20.

If MU losses 2/3 I’d say stay in the mid
to low 20s assuming no 20 pt blowout loss at home.

Getting swept would likely lead to a drop into the mid to low 30s unless all three losses are extremely close
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on February 02, 2020, 05:33:56 PM
I’ll take a guess- #13-15.

If we win 2/3 I’d go with just inside 20.

If MU losses 2/3 I’d say stay in the mid
to low 20s assuming no 20 pt blowout loss at home.

Getting swept would likely lead to a drop into the mid to low 30s unless all three losses are extremely close

I'm not saying you're wrong at all, but man, to beat the NET #12,13,14 and only move from 25..to that range would be a bit disappointing I think. For reference, Creighton moved 11 spots alone yesterday by winning @ Nova. Again, there's a lot that goes into it, I know, but I was king of thinking they MIGHT crack the top 10 if they ran off those 3 in row. Although your range of 12-13 is just outside the top 10. Let's hope we get to find out!
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: UWW2MU on February 02, 2020, 08:09:11 PM
The net isn't just about the wins and losses, it is about how you win or lose. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2020, 08:48:29 PM
The net isn't just about the wins and losses, it is about how you win or lose.

Yep. If we win every game by 1, our NET would likely barely move or maybe even go down.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 02, 2020, 09:22:03 PM
Just for grins and since we have the week off, anyone wanna speculate where MU would be in the NET if they win their net 3 in a row??

Butler(H)
@Nova
Creighton(H)

Now obviously their are external factors that go into it(opponents results), but on their own merits, where do we think those 3 wins would land MU??

Depends heavily on margins. We'll be favored against Butler and Creighton, so if those are narrow wins, we won't go up at all. We'll be an underdog at 'Nova, so that would move us up. All close wins, probably 20-25. All big wins (8+) and I'd say 13-18. Lots of variability.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2020, 11:33:08 PM
Depends heavily on margins. We'll be favored against Butler and Creighton, so if those are narrow wins, we won't go up at all. We'll be an underdog at 'Nova, so that would move us up. All close wins, probably 20-25. All big wins (8+) and I'd say 13-18. Lots of variability.

If we go 3-0 I think we are in the teens. Might literally be only 18 or 19 but I think at least the teens. Then higher if we get some ass kickings in there.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: DoctorV on February 02, 2020, 11:44:09 PM
I'm not saying you're wrong at all, but man, to beat the NET #12,13,14 and only move from 25..to that range would be a bit disappointing I think. For reference, Creighton moved 11 spots alone yesterday by winning @ Nova. Again, there's a lot that goes into it, I know, but I was king of thinking they MIGHT crack the top 10 if they ran off those 3 in row. Although your range of 12-13 is just outside the top 10. Let's hope we get to find out!

Wow I missed CUs 11 spot jump, thanks for pointing that out. That’s one of the largest I’ve seen in the last month. Winning by 15 on the road had a lot to do with that obviously. They were only up 7 with 2 mins to play and I would bet extending that lead late helped them a lot more than had they have won by 3-5.

I’d assume MU would be similar type of underdogs in the game at Nova as CU was, and a win in that game by double digits  to go along with a three game sweep of the next 3 would probably put MU right around the top 10. That would be awesome
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 03, 2020, 03:40:34 PM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 2
New Old
12   12   Butler   
13   13   Villanova
14   14   Creighton   
16   17   Seton Hall   
25   25   Marquette   
47   47   Xavier   
48   51   Georgetown
59   59   DePaul   
65   64   Providence   
76   73   St. John's
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on February 03, 2020, 04:00:59 PM
Entire conference in the top 75 would be cool. C'mon Johnnies!
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 04, 2020, 06:22:58 AM
Big East Poll Rankings 2/3
AP
10.Nova
12. The Hall
19. Butler
21. Creighton
Others receiving votes -MU
Coaches
12.Nova
13. The Hall
19. Butler
22.Creighton
Others Receiving Votes -MU

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: StillWarriors on February 04, 2020, 10:08:46 AM
Wow I missed CUs 11 spot jump, thanks for pointing that out. That’s one of the largest I’ve seen in the last month. Winning by 15 on the road had a lot to do with that obviously. They were only up 7 with 2 mins to play and I would bet extending that lead late helped them a lot more than had they have won by 3-5.

I’d assume MU would be similar type of underdogs in the game at Nova as CU was, and a win in that game by double digits  to go along with a three game sweep of the next 3 would probably put MU right around the top 10. That would be awesome

Xavier jumped up 14 I believe after winning handily at SH. Possibly a season saver.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 04, 2020, 11:10:15 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of Games of February 3
New Old
12   12   Butler   
13   13     Villanova
14   14   Creighton   
16   16   Seton Hall   
25   25   Marquette   
47   47   Xavier   
48   48   Georgetown
59   59   DePaul   
66   65   Providence   
77   76   St. John's
2/3 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%203,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: bilsu on February 04, 2020, 12:00:24 PM
Xavier jumped up 14 I believe after winning handily at SH. Possibly a season saver.
They have to get by the trap game with DePaul.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 05, 2020, 07:28:41 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 4
New Old
12   12   Butler   
13   13   Villanova
14   14   Creighton   
19   16   Seton Hall   
25   25   Marquette   
44   47   Xavier   
48   48   Georgetown
65   66   Providence   
67   59   DePaul   
76   77   St. John's
2/4 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%204,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on February 06, 2020, 07:39:47 AM
MU moves from #25 to #23 this morning. Maybe more importantly is Purdue's big win makes them #29, which is another Q1 win for MU. Now they just need to stay there.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BLM on February 06, 2020, 08:42:33 AM
MU moves from #25 to #23 this morning. Maybe more importantly is Purdue's big win makes them #29, which is another Q1 win for MU. Now they just need to stay there.

They need to find the perfect balance of winning enough to remain in Q1 but not winning so much that they pass Marquette.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: cheebs09 on February 06, 2020, 08:49:02 AM
They need to find the perfect balance of winning enough to remain in Q1 but not winning so much that they pass Marquette.

That’s obviously the best case scenario. However, I think them being Q1 is more important than MU maybe dropping a spot in NET. I think the committee really values the Q1 wins.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2020, 08:58:49 AM
They need to find the perfect balance of winning enough to remain in Q1 but not winning so much that they pass Marquette.

Matt Painter and I had an email exchange this morning, and I'm pleased to report that he has agreed to do just that. Nice guy!
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: HowardsWorld on February 06, 2020, 09:15:25 AM
They need to find the perfect balance of winning enough to remain in Q1 but not winning so much that they pass Marquette.

Purdue will finish with at least 6-7 more losses and the tie breaker to Marquette. There is no way they will finish ahead. Also keep in mind that Marquette players Butler, Creighton and Seton Hall at home. If they win two of those 3 they are going to be in the top 15 in NR.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 06, 2020, 06:10:50 PM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 5
New Old
11   12   Butler   
13   19   Seton Hall   
15   13   Villanova   
22   14   Creighton   
23   25   Marquette   
45   44   Xavier
52   48   Georgetown
55   65   Providence   
67   67   DePaul   
73   76   St. John's
2/5 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%205,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 06, 2020, 07:19:29 PM
Johnnies back in the top-75 is good.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 07, 2020, 09:01:31 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 6
New Old
12   11   Butler   
13   13   Seton Hall   
15   15   Villanova   
21   22   Creighton   
23   23   Marquette   
46   45   Xavier   
52   52   Georgetown   
55   55   Providence   
66   67   DePaul
72   73   St. John's
2/6 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%206,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Its DJOver on February 07, 2020, 09:25:42 AM
I realize that they haven't released the NET formula, and probably won't, but help me out here.  Comparing us to BYU, who is 1 spot ahead of us.  Q1 advantage us, 5-5 versus 1-5.  Q2 advantage us, 5-1 vs 4-2.  Both undefeated in Q3 and Q4 games.  SOS advantage us 20 vs 32.  The only way that I can see that they're superior to us is in quality of Q4 games; they've played 7 to our 5, but their worst is 270, while we have a 310 and a 312.  Is that really enough to overcome the additional 4 Q1 wins that we have?
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 07, 2020, 09:26:05 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 6
New Old
12   11   Butler   
13   13   Seton Hall   
15   15   Villanova   
21   22   Creighton   
23   23   Marquette   
46   45   Xavier   
52   52   Georgetown   
55   55   Providence   
66   67   DePaul
72   73   St. John's
2/6 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%206,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1

That's one impressive conference. Wow!
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: UWW2MU on February 07, 2020, 09:45:09 AM
I realize that they haven't released the NET formula, and probably won't, but help me out here.  Comparing us to BYU, who is 1 spot ahead of us.  Q1 advantage us, 5-5 versus 1-5.  Q2 advantage us, 5-1 vs 4-2.  Both undefeated in Q3 and Q4 games.  SOS advantage us 20 vs 32.  The only way that I can see that they're superior to us is in quality of Q4 games; they've played 7 to our 5, but their worst is 270, while we have a 310 and a 312.  Is that really enough to overcome the additional 4 Q1 wins that we have?

The NET is more than just wins and losses.  It takes into account O and D efficiency, adjusted win percentage based on home/away, point spread up to 10 pts, and details within those categories.   So the resume and quad records are the product of the NET, not the other way around.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Its DJOver on February 07, 2020, 10:05:02 AM
The NET is more than just wins and losses.  It takes into account O and D efficiency, adjusted win percentage based on home/away, point spread up to 10 pts, and details within those categories.   So the resume and quad records are the product of the NET, not the other way around.

Hope that helps!

Thanks for the explanation, we have had some ugly Q1 losses, although one would think that twice as many Q1/Q2 wins would overcome that, guess not.  I think there is a good chance that we pass them regardless as they only have one more Q1 game on the schedule , which should be a loss to Gonzaga, while we only have 1 non-Q1 game left.  Going .500 (or better, can't go .500 in a 7 game stretch) in our remaining Q1 games, plus winning our lone Q2 game remaining should put us in the top 20, assuming no blowout losses.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 07, 2020, 10:06:01 AM
BYU Average Winning Margin: 17.4 ppg
BYU Average Losing Margin: 8.3 ppg

Marquette Average Winning Margin: 15.6 ppg
Marquette Average Losing Margin: 12.2 ppg

With SOS, if we perform similarly from a results perspective we'll pass them, but with similar SOS & records, those margins are significant.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on February 07, 2020, 11:41:07 AM
And while BYU is ahead of us in NET and KenPom, bracketmatrix has them as top 9 seed while we are the top 7 seed. Obviously, bracketoligists don't choose the field, but even though they have the better cpu numbers, they likely get seeded below us
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: IrwinFletcher on February 07, 2020, 11:44:11 AM
And while BYU is ahead of us in NET and KenPom, bracketmatrix has them as top 9 seed while we are the top 7 seed. Obviously, bracketoligists don't choose the field, but even though they have the better cpu numbers, they likely get seeded below us

Exactly.  The NET rating isn't the S curve.  It is the starting point.  They will look at those Q1 wins and losses as some are better than the others.  That is why our schedule being so strong and the ability to pick up wins over Butler, SHU and Creighton will greatly strengthen our seeding vs the S Curve.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Its DJOver on February 07, 2020, 11:56:18 AM
Just to be clear, I wasn't really that worried about seeding/bracketology, I was just trying to get a better understanding of NET, and was kind of amazed that a team with 1 Q1 win could be ranked so high.  I know that there are other numbers being crunched in the equation but they had the fewest Q1 wins out of anyone in the top 25.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 07:01:44 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 7
New Old
11   12   Butler   
13   13   Seton Hall   
15   15   Villanova
21   21   Creighton   
23   23   Marquette   
46   46   Xavier   
51   52   Georgetown   
54   55   Providence
66   66   DePaul
72   72   St. John’s
2/7 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%207,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2020, 06:33:44 PM
Nova and Seton Hall preliminary 3 seeds and Butler preliminary 4 seed
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Cheeks on February 08, 2020, 07:51:16 PM
Purdue will finish with at least 6-7 more losses and the tie breaker to Marquette. There is no way they will finish ahead. Also keep in mind that Marquette players Butler, Creighton and Seton Hall at home. If they win two of those 3 they are going to be in the top 15 in NR.

Last week Purdue iffy to make the tournament.....they seem safely in at the moment.  29th in Net Rankings before today’s road win vs IU.   

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 09, 2020, 07:07:19 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 8
10   11   Butler   
12   13   Seton Hall   
18   15   Villanova   
22   21   Creighton   
24   23   Marquette   
45   46   Xavier   
52   51   Georgetown   
57   54   Providence
63   66   DePaul   
77   72   St. John's
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 09, 2020, 07:31:09 AM
A little surprised we dropped, as our non-con opponents went 7-2 yesterday.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 09, 2020, 09:13:38 AM
USC blowing it was not good
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 09, 2020, 09:36:16 AM
USC blowing it was not good

I watched some of that and they really just gave it away. They couldn't handle ASU's defensive pressure and had no offensive rhythm.

The Pac-12 had a better non-con this year, but other than Oregon and maybe Colorado, I'm not sold anyone in that league is very good.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 09, 2020, 04:16:42 PM
I watched some of that and they really just gave it away. They couldn't handle ASU's defensive pressure and had no offensive rhythm.

The Pac-12 had a better non-con this year, but other than Oregon and maybe Colorado, I'm not sold anyone in that league is very good.
Once MU becomes a lock, my focus is on getting as many schools from the Big East in the tournament. Helps financially and aids in recruiting. 

I agree with your assessment on the Pac-12.  Arizona is not that strong, but they have a high NET ranking and The Johnnies beat them on a neutral , which indirectly helps everyone in our league.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 09, 2020, 04:18:08 PM
Once MU becomes a lock, my focus is on getting as many schools from the Big East in the tournament.

I'm sure you can do it, 9-9-9. All you have to do is try!
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on February 09, 2020, 10:06:39 PM
After the big win today, MU moves up to #17 in the NET.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 10, 2020, 05:26:46 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February
New Old
12   12   Seton Hall   
14   10   Butler   
17   24   Marquette   
18   18   Villanova   
24   22   Creighton   
44   45   Xavier   
53   52   Georgetown   
56   57   Providence   
64   63   DePaul   
76   77   St. John'

2/9 Team Sheets
MU is on page 17
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%209,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Litehouse on February 10, 2020, 08:29:08 AM
It would really help everyone if the entire conference can finish the year in the top 75.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 10, 2020, 11:23:26 AM
Big East Poll Rankings As of February 10
AP
10. The Hall
15. Nova
18.MU
19. Butler
23. Creighton

Coaches
10. The Hall
16. Nova
20.Butler
21. Creighton
22.MU


Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 10, 2020, 03:44:11 PM
Analysis of Purdue bubble status as well as others.  Would be helpful to MU's cause if Purdue could rally through end of season.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2020/02/09/bubble-watch-purdue-makes-push-for-ncaa-bid-securing-finish/41187555/
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 10, 2020, 05:37:14 PM
This is an interesting report the NCAA puts out. Gives a good perspective on where MU ranks among the various factors.

One big feature of the Big East is the sheer number of Quad 1 games our league as a whole has is very helpful. Big 12 and Big 10 also have a lot of Quad 1 exposure. That is helpful when evaluating team sheets.

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Nitty%20Gritty%20-%20Feb.%209,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 10, 2020, 05:58:29 PM
This is an interesting report the NCAA puts out. Gives a good perspective on where MU ranks among the various factors.

One big feature of the Big East is the sheer number of Quad 1 games our league as a whole has is very helpful. Big 12 and Big 10 also have a lot of Quad 1 exposure. That is helpful when evaluating team sheets.

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Nitty%20Gritty%20-%20Feb.%209,%202020.pdf

Throw in Gavitt games and Big12- Big East challenge.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 11, 2020, 08:42:35 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 10
New Old
12   12   Seton Hall   
13   14   Butler   
18   17   Marquette
19   18   Villanova   
24   24   Creighton   
44   44   Xavier   
52   53   Georgetown   
56   56   Providence
64   64   DePaul   
76   76   St. John's
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 11, 2020, 09:54:34 AM
Analysis of Purdue bubble status as well as others.  Would be helpful to MU's cause if Purdue could rally through end of season.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2020/02/09/bubble-watch-purdue-makes-push-for-ncaa-bid-securing-finish/41187555/

Huge game for PU tonight.  Penn state at home.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 11, 2020, 05:45:29 PM
2/10 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 18
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2010,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2020, 07:26:16 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 11
New Old
12   12   Seton Hall   
13   13   Butler   
19   18   Marquette   
21   19   Villanova   
24   24   Creighton   
42   44   Xavier   
52   52   Georgetown   
57   56   Providence   
65   64   DePaul   
77   76   St. John's
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2020, 09:00:15 AM
2/11 Team Sheets
MU is on page 19
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2011,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2020, 09:47:30 AM
Purdue loss hurt

Dropped us 1 and dropped them to Q1 life support
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on February 13, 2020, 07:38:36 AM
MU down to #20 this morning
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 13, 2020, 07:57:28 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 12
New Old
12   13   Butler   
16   12   Seton Hall   
19   24   Creighton   
20   19   Marquette   
21   21   Villanova   
43   42   Xavier   
53   52   Georgetown   
62   57   Providence   
66   65   DePaul   
67   77   St. John's
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 13, 2020, 08:54:02 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 12
New Old
12   13   Butler   
16   12   Seton Hall   
19   24   Creighton   
20   19   Marquette   
21   21   Villanova   
43   42   Xavier   
53   52   Georgetown   
62   57   Providence   
66   65   DePaul   
67   77   St. John's

We only fell 1 point, which isn't too surprising. But it looks like the win did absolutely nothing for Nova. I guess winning by 1 at home over an opponent you were favored to beat by 5 doesn't impress the computers.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Litehouse on February 13, 2020, 09:00:03 AM
St. Johns back in the top 75
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 13, 2020, 10:54:41 PM
2/12 Team Sheets
MU is on page 20
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2012,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 14, 2020, 09:50:28 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 13
New Old
12   12   Butler   
15   16   Seton Hall   
19   19   Creighton   
20   20   Marquette   
22   21   Villanova   
44   43   Xavier   
54   53   Georgetown   
62   62   Providence   
67   66   DePaul   
68   67   St. John's

2/13 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 20
 https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2013,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on February 15, 2020, 01:32:44 AM
Our KenPom score went up by about .20 tonight. With so few games being played, I was curious what caused such a significant jump. Turns out, Davidson won at St. Bonaventure by 29. This game them a 22 spot boost on Kenpom. If they have a similar boost on NET, they will be safely away from the Q2/Q3 cutline and 15-20 spots away from the Q1/Q2 cutline. I don't think any team on our schedule has underperformed more than Davidson. If they have turned a corner (the game before this one was also a 30 point win) I could see them sneaking into the top 50 and giving us another Q1 win. 4/6 of their remaining games are against top 55 teams in NET so they will have their opportunities.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 15, 2020, 08:28:50 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 14
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12   12   Butler   
15   15   Seton Hall
19   19   Creighton   
20   20   Marquette   
22   22   Villanova   
44   44   Xavier   
55   54   Georgetown   
63   62   Providence   
67   67   DePaul   
68   68   St. John's
2/14 Team Sheets
MU is on page 20
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2014,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on February 16, 2020, 06:15:55 AM
MU is back up to #18 this morning...where they were before the Nova game. Creighton #14, Hall #15, MU #18. Very strange to me that Hall can lose at PC and not move a single spot...I realize it wasn't that bad of a margin of victory but still..As an Example of how weird the NET is...Auburn lost in OT @ Missouri yesterday and their NET goes from 13 all the way down to #24. That's a massive drop.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 16, 2020, 08:12:13 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 15
New Old
14   19   Creighton   
15   15   Seton Hall   
18   20   Marquette   
19   12   Butler   
21   22   Villanova   
41   44   Xavier   
46   55   Georgetown   
62   63   Providence   
67   68   St. John's
71   67   DePaul   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 16, 2020, 08:23:20 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 15
New Old
14   19   Creighton   
15   15   Seton Hall   
18   20   Marquette   
19   12   Butler   
21   22   Villanova   
41   44   Xavier   
46   55   Georgetown   
62   63   Providence   
67   68   St. John's
71   67   DePaul
jumped up 2 maybe because of Georgetown winning and providence winning?
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on February 16, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
jumped up 2 maybe because of Georgetown winning and providence winning?

Actually, it might have more to do with attrition then anything else..what I mean is...look at Auburn..they were at #13 prior to yesterday's game..lost @ Missouri and dropped all the way down to #24. Another example is Butler..they were #12 prior to yesterday and lost to GT at home..dropped to #19...so both of them dropped below MU. Those two things(plus other things of course), could have lead to their increase more than anything else.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 16, 2020, 08:40:52 AM
Actually, it might have more to do with attrition then anything else..what I mean is...look at Auburn..they were at #13 prior to yesterday's game..lost @ Missouri and dropped all the way down to #24. Another example is Butler..they were #12 prior to yesterday and lost to GT at home..dropped to #19...so both of them dropped below MU. Those two things(plus other things of course), could have lead to their increase more than anything else.

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Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 16, 2020, 10:22:01 AM
2/15 Team Sheets
MU is on page 18
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2015,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on February 16, 2020, 11:52:36 AM
https://twitter.com/HeatCheckCBB/status/1229099971804221440?s=20

Heat Check CBB
@HeatCheckCBB
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Teams with 10 or more Q1+Q2 wins with zero Q3/Q4 losses and a top-25 NET and top-25 SOS ranking:

Kansas
Colorado
Creighton
Seton Hall
Marquette
Villanova
Oregon
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MU82 on February 16, 2020, 12:34:12 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 15
New Old
14   19   Creighton   
15   15   Seton Hall   
18   20   Marquette   
19   12   Butler   
21   22   Villanova   
41   44   Xavier   
46   55   Georgetown   
62   63   Providence   
67   68   St. John's
71   67   DePaul

9-9-9: Let me just say that I appreciate you posting this every day. It's very useful and interesting, and I always look forward to seeing where we and the rest of the Big East teams stand. Thanks.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: buckchuckler on February 16, 2020, 12:35:49 PM
9-9-9: Let me just say that I appreciate you posting this every day. It's very useful and interesting, and I always look forward to seeing where we and the rest of the Big East teams stand. Thanks.

Was actually going to post the same thing.  Thanks, it is much appreciated.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 17, 2020, 06:12:38 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 16
New Old
13   14   Creighton   
14   15   Seton Hall   
16   21   Villanova   
19   18   Marquette   
20   19   Butler   
39   41   Xavier   
43   46   Georgetown   
59   62   Providence   
66   67   St. John's
2/16 Team Sheets
MU is on page 19
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2016,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 17, 2020, 06:40:34 AM
Xavier moves up to a Q1A win on the road. Nova is one off of being a Q1A home win. Georgetown just outside road Q1A status and Purdue just outside Q1 status. Currently have 1 Q1A win, 5 Q1 total, and 11 Q1+2 wins.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 17, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
Big East Poll Rankings week of February 17
AP
12.Nova
15. Creighton
16.The Hall
19. MU
21.Butler
Coaches
13.Nova
14. The Hall
15. Creighton
19. MU
23. Butler

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 18, 2020, 09:15:05 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 17
New Old
12   13   Creighton   
14   14   Seton Hall   
16   16   Villanova   
19   19   Marquette   
20   20   Butler
39   39   Xavier   
46   43   Georgetown   
58   59   Providence   
67   66   St. John's
69   69   DePaul
2/17 Team Sheets
MU is on page 19
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2017,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: shoothoops on February 19, 2020, 09:14:03 AM
After the Creighton loss, MU moves from 19 to 23 in the NCAA Net Rankings.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 19, 2020, 03:15:00 PM
Big East Net Rankings as of Games of February 18
New Old
11   12   Creighton   
15   16   Villanova   
16   14   Seton Hall
19   20   Butler   
23   19   Marquette   
39   39   Xavier   
45   46   Georgetown
58   58   Providence   
66   67   St. John's    
2/18 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2018,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 20, 2020, 11:29:44 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 19
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
13   15   Villanova   
16   16   Seton Hall   
18   19   Butler   
23   23   Marquette   
40   39   Xavier   
51   58   Providence   
54   45   Georgetown   
65   66   St. John's
74   70   DePaul   
2/19 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2019,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 21, 2020, 12:02:33 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 20
New Old
 11   11   Creighton   
14   13   Villanova   
16   16   Seton Hall   
17   18   Butler   
23   23   Marquette
41   40   Xavier   
51   51   Providence   
53   54   Georgetown   
65   65   St. John's
74   74   DePaul   
2/21 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2020,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: barfolomew on February 21, 2020, 12:36:01 PM
Big East remains the only conference with no league games in Q3 or Q4.
Need to root (a little bit) for DePaul and GTown in order to maintain that, though.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2020, 09:07:12 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 3
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
14   14   Villanova   
16   16   Seton Hall   
17   17   Butler   
23   23   Marquette
40   41   Xavier   
50   51   Providence   
52   53   Georgetown   
64   65   St. John's
74   74   DePaul
2/21 Team sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2021,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 23, 2020, 08:58:03 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 22
New Old
10   14   Villanova   
11   11   Creighton   
17   16   Seton Hall
20   17   Butler   
26   23   Marquette   
44   40   Xavier   
46   50   Providence   
55   52   Georgetown   
68   64   St. John's
72   74   DePaul
2/22 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2022,%202020.pdf


Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 24, 2020, 08:10:15 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 23
New Old
9   11   Creighton   Big East   
11   10   Villanova   
17   17   Seton Hall   
23   20   Butler
26   26   Marquette   
44   44   Xavier   
48   46   Providence   
59   55   Georgetown   
69   68   St. John's
72   72   DePaul
2/23 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2023,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252fsolutions%252frpi%252fSitePages%252fHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 24, 2020, 02:15:19 PM
Big East Poll Rankings February 24
AP
10. Creighton
12. Nova
13. The Hall
Others receiving votes- Butler , MU
Coaches
11. Creighton
12. Nova
13. The Hall
Others receiving votes Butler , MU
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 25, 2020, 07:54:34 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 24
New Old
9   9   Creighton   
12   11   Villanova   
16   17   Seton Hall   
23   23   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
43   44   Xavier   
48   48   Providence   
58   59   Georgetown   
70   69   St. John's
73   72   DePaul   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 25, 2020, 08:59:41 AM
2/24 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2024,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 25
New Old
8   9   Creighton   
13   12   Villanova   
15   16   Seton Hall   
23   23   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
42   43   Xavier   
48   48   Providence   
59   58   Georgetown   
71   70   St. John's
74   73   DePaul   
2/25 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2025,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on February 26, 2020, 11:38:21 AM
Talked about a flawed Metric...Duke loses last night to an 11-15 Wake Forest team on the road...and don't move a spot in the NET. How exactly does that happen??
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Lazar's Headband on February 26, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
Talked about a flawed Metric...Duke loses last night to an 11-15 Wake Forest team on the road...and don't move a spot in the NET. How exactly does that happen??

Remember, we don't know the gap between spots.  Duke is still 6th but their lead over 7th likely shrunk.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: muguru on February 26, 2020, 11:57:28 AM
Remember, we don't know the gap between spots.  Duke is still 6th but their lead over 7th likely shrunk.

Yes but still, I mean we have seen teams make 10+ spot jumps with one win..we have seen teams slide a handful of spots for losses and those have been against respectable teams. To lose @ Wake Forest and not move a spot?? C'mon!
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 26, 2020, 12:47:01 PM
Does anyone know whether for NET calculations an OT is different than a regulation loss?  For example, the formula could count all losses in OT as a "one point" loss even if eventually losing by 10.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Lazar's Headband on February 26, 2020, 01:35:17 PM
Yes but still, I mean we have seen teams make 10+ spot jumps with one win..we have seen teams slide a handful of spots for losses and those have been against respectable teams. To lose @ Wake Forest and not move a spot?? C'mon!

Statistically speaking, this makes total sense.  A bellcurve would breakdown like this:

Group 1
Teams 1 to 8

Group 2
Teams 9 to 56

Group 3
Teams 57 to 176

Group 4
Teams 177 to 297

Group 5
Teams 298 to 345

Group 6
Teams 346 to 353

The more teams in a group, the more data points bunched closely together.  Groups 3 and 4 would experience the most volatility in Net rankings when Net raw score changes. Groups 1 and 6 would have the least volatility.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 27, 2020, 06:47:31 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 26
New Old
8   8   Creighton   
12   13   Villanova   
15   15   Seton Hall   
23   23   Butler   
25   26   Marquette   
41   42   Xavier   
48   48   Providence   
58   59   Georgetown   
72   71   St. John's
75   74   DePaul
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 27, 2020, 08:57:29 AM
2/26 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2026,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 28, 2020, 06:49:09 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 27
New Old
8   8   Creighton   
12   12   Villanova   
15   15   Seton Hall   
21   23   Butler   
24   25   Marquette   
42   41   Xavier   
50   48   Providence   
58   58   Georgetown   
73   72   St. John's
75   75   DePaul
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Aircraftcarrier on February 28, 2020, 07:04:21 AM
Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: jesmu84 on February 28, 2020, 07:35:34 AM
Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11

NCAA punishment for Sean Miller's transgressions
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2020, 07:44:01 AM
NCAA punishment for Sean Miller's transgressions

I heard the next shoe will drop in the summer of 2019
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on February 28, 2020, 07:57:53 AM
Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11

They blow out mediocre but not bad competition.  Makes their efficiency numbers look good.

Arizona has played 0 sub-300 NET teams. They have also only played 4 teams whose NET is between 165 and 300:

#298 Long Beach State (won by 37)
#284 San Jose State (won by 48)
#219 Omaha (won by 50)
#212 Northern Arizona (won by 39)

Playing teams in that range, you would expect Arizona to win by 20-30 points, when they win by 37-50, NET rewards them significantly. Now it's not actually about margin of victory because NET caps that at 10, but typically the larger the margin of victory, the better your efficiency numbers which there is currently no cap on. This is why you see Laval Jordan fouling down 20, Wojo calling a timeout with 15 seconds left in a blowout, Partick Ewing calling for a last second three, etc. Every point theoretically matters.

Good news is, it seems like the selection committee is able to see through inflated NETs. Last year, NC State was left out of the tournament despite at top 35 NET. This year, Arizona is being projected in the 6/7 seed range despite an NET that would suggest a 3 seed.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on February 28, 2020, 08:20:43 AM
Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11

Big winning margins, small losing margins. Their average margin of victory in Q4 games is insane, but they also have numerous top-100 blowouts by 20+. Their losses are also mostly close, with 7/9 by single digits.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 28, 2020, 08:50:53 AM
2/27 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 24
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2027,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on February 29, 2020, 05:35:39 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 28
New Old
8   8   Creighton   
12   12   Villanova   
15   15   Seton Hall   
21   21   Butler
24   24   Marquette   
42   42   Xavier   
50   50   Providence   
58   58   Georgetown   
72   73   St. John's
75   75   DePaul
2/28 Team Sheets
MU is on page 24
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2028,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: shoothoops on March 01, 2020, 10:17:32 AM
Marquette moved from 24 in NCAA Net Rankings, to 25 NCAA Net Rankings today.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 01, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of February 29
New Old
8   8   Creighton   
13   15   Seton Hall   
16   12   Villanova   
19   21   Butler   
25   24   Marquette   
44   50   Providence   
45   42   Xavier   
59   58   Georgetown   
74   72   St. John's
82   75   DePaul
2/29 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2029,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 01, 2020, 12:01:44 PM
The fact that Wisconsin is still behind Marquette shows me everything that I need to know about how the NET is a crap ranking. Despite the fact that I hate the Badgers there is no denying there resume is night and day difference. They have 7 sargin top 25 wins the most in the country. Kansas has 5 and the next few teams have 4. They have 3 tops 25 road wins. And yet they are still at 27?

I am only using them as comparison because its beyond obvious who the higher seed should be yet looking at NET you wouldn't be able to tell.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 01, 2020, 12:54:17 PM
SJU running Creighton off the floor in Queens.

Yikes.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JWags85 on March 01, 2020, 01:21:24 PM
The fact that Wisconsin is still behind Marquette shows me everything that I need to know about how the NET is a crap ranking. Despite the fact that I hate the Badgers there is no denying there resume is night and day difference. They have 7 sargin top 25 wins the most in the country. Kansas has 5 and the next few teams have 4. They have 3 tops 25 road wins. And yet they are still at 27?

I am only using them as comparison because its beyond obvious who the higher seed should be yet looking at NET you wouldn't be able to tell.

Wisconsin has great wins, but they also have 4 losses to teams below Marquette’s worst loss, which is Providence (44).

And 3 of those Richmond (48), NC St (54), and New Mexico (148  :o) were not even road games, but on neutral floors
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Nukem2 on March 01, 2020, 01:23:55 PM
SJU running Creighton off the floor in Queens.

Yikes.
SJU wins 91-71  shooting 14-22 from the 3 point line while the Bluejays shot a horrific 4-27.  Real role reversal today.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on March 01, 2020, 02:04:46 PM
SJU wins 91-71  shooting 14-22 from the 3 point line while the Bluejays shot a horrific 4-27.  Real role reversal today.

Ceilings and floors.

SJU played near their ceiling, Creighton played near their floor. This is what makes college basketball great, anyone can beat anyone on any given night.

It also means that sometimes a loss doesn't mean the loser played poorly. Sometimes it means the other team played out of their mind.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JWags85 on March 01, 2020, 02:25:15 PM
Ceilings and floors.

SJU played near their ceiling, Creighton played near their floor. This is what makes college basketball great, anyone can beat anyone on any given night.

It also means that sometimes a loss doesn't mean the loser played poorly. Sometimes it means the other team played out of their mind.

Feels like our game at Carnesecca last year. A team that shot 35% from 3 on the year shot 46% but I remember they missed like their last 3-4 3PA when they were up big cause they were well over 50% all game.  Marquette played bad but they were unconscious

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 02, 2020, 08:33:55 AM
Big East D1 NET rankings as of games of March 1
New Old
12   13   Seton Hall   
13   8   Creighton   
17   16   Villanova
20   19   Butler   
25   25   Marquette   
43   45   Xavier   
44   44   Providence   
60   59   Georgetown   
64   74   St. John's
81   82   DePaul
3/1 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%201,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 02, 2020, 03:40:34 PM
Big East Poll rankings as of March 2
AP
8. The Hall
11. Creighton
14. Nova
Others receiving votes- Butler, Cooley & Company, MU

Coaches
7. The Hall
12. Nova
14. Creighton
25. Butler
Others receiving votes -MU, Cooley & Company
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 03, 2020, 02:30:46 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 2
New Old
12   12   Seton Hall   Big East   
13   13   Creighton
17   17   Villanova   
20   20   Butler   
25   25   Marquette   
43   43   Xavier   
44   44   Providence   
60   60   Georgetown   
64   64   St. John's
81   81   DePaul
3/2 Team sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%202,%202020.pdf
   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 04, 2020, 09:41:51 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 3
New Old
12   12   Seton Hall   
13   13   Creighton   
14   17   Villanova   
20   20   Butler   
26   25   Marquette   
41   43   Xavier   
44   44   Providence   
62   60   Georgetown   
66   64   St. John's
81   81   DePaul
3/3 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%203,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Cfollow on March 04, 2020, 10:38:07 AM
Truly amazing  that Marquette can lose to an awful DePaul team and drop only one spot in the NET.
Can they lose their next 2 to SJU and DePaul and still be in the top 35 of the NET? What a worthless tool if that is the case.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Litehouse on March 04, 2020, 10:40:33 AM
I'm more surprised DePaul didn't move at all.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Nukem2 on March 04, 2020, 10:41:48 AM
Truly amazing  that Marquette can lose to an awful DePaul team and drop only one spot in the NET.
Can they lose their next 2 to SJU and DePaul and still be in the top 35 of the NET? What a worthless tool if that is the case.
Interestingly, MU would be at #27 under the old RPI per Warren Nolan’s website (he still crunches it out for comparative purposes with the NET).  All more of a comment on the weakness of the field this year?
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2020, 10:44:01 AM
Interestingly, MU would be at #27 under the old RPI per Warren Nolan’s website (he still crunches it out for comparative purposes with the NET).  All more of a comment on the weakness of the field this year?

Its truly amazing having watched this collapse first hand, but purely resume-wise, MU is still likely a 7 seed even with 2 more losses in a row.  Now, maybe the committee would ding them a line or two in that scenario having lost 7 of 8 (cant blame them!), but purely from a resume standpoint, there is an ocean between MU and the last 4 in. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on March 04, 2020, 10:46:43 AM
Its truly amazing having watched this collapse first hand, but purely resume-wise, MU is still likely a 7 seed even with 2 more losses in a row.  Now, maybe the committee would ding them a line or two in that scenario having lost 7 of 8 (cant blame them!), but purely from a resume standpoint, there is an ocean between MU and the last 4 in.

Not sure if I'd go as far as you are, but Lucas Harkins who is pretty good at this echoes your thoughts

https://twitter.com/hardwiredsports/status/1235046254763061248?s=19
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Litehouse on March 04, 2020, 10:50:18 AM
To me it kinda seems like there isn't a huge difference between team #25 and #75, and aside from the top 5 or so, anyone can beat anyone this year.  Our resume still looks pretty good in comparison to those behind us.  I don't know if it's necessarily the weakness of the field, I think it's more that there isn't that big of a difference between the 6-11 seeds and the NIT teams.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2020, 11:13:30 AM
To me it kinda seems like there isn't a huge difference between team #25 and #75, and aside from the top 5 or so, anyone can beat anyone this year.  Our resume still looks pretty good in comparison to those behind us.  I don't know if it's necessarily the weakness of the field, I think it's more that there isn't that big of a difference between the 6-11 seeds and the NIT teams.

On the eye test, sure. 

But MU is 5-9 in Q1, 6-2 in Q2, Q3 2-0 and Q4 5-0, with a NET of 26.  That is 11 Q1 and Q2 wins, and zero losses out Q1 and Q2 with only 7 games in that category. 

Compare that to the last 4 at large teams in per bracket matrix:

Stanford Q1: 5-5; Q2: 2-3; Q3: 6-1; Q4: 7-0; NET 25
Cinci Q1: 2-6; Q2: 7-0; Q3: 7-4; Q4: 3-0; NET 51
UCLA Q1: 6-6, Q2: 3-3; Q3: 4-1; Q4: 5-1; NET 75
Utah State Q1: 2-4; Q2: 2-2: Q3: 7-2; Q4: 10-0; NET: 38

Its frankly not close. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Litehouse on March 04, 2020, 11:36:44 AM
I agree there's a big difference in resumes.  What I meant is that if the teams played each other it would all be pretty close, more of a "anybody can beat anybody".  We were only favored by 4 against #81 DePaul.  Look at point spreads for tonight...

#11 Florida State
#59 Notre Dame +1.5

#48 Virginia
#108 Miami +2

#3 Dayton
#52 Rhode Island +4

#45 Minnesota
#54 Indiana -3.5

#34 Florida
#84 Georgia +2.5

#31 LSU
#47 Arkansas -3.0
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2020, 11:55:25 AM
I agree there's a big difference in resumes.  What I meant is that if the teams played each other it would all be pretty close, more of a "anybody can beat anybody".  We were only favored by 4 against #81 DePaul.  Look at point spreads for tonight...

#11 Florida State
#59 Notre Dame +1.5

#48 Virginia
#108 Miami +2

#3 Dayton
#52 Rhode Island +4

#45 Minnesota
#54 Indiana -3.5

#34 Florida
#84 Georgia +2.5

#31 LSU
#47 Arkansas -3.0

Yah, I get/got what you were sayingm and you're absolutely right. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: TAMU Eagle on March 04, 2020, 12:46:43 PM
Truly amazing  that Marquette can lose to an awful DePaul team and drop only one spot in the NET.
Can they lose their next 2 to SJU and DePaul and still be in the top 35 of the NET? What a worthless tool if that is the case.

Honestly, it's not that surprising. Its a Q2A loss, so not a loss that really hurts your resume. Plus we are at the end of the season, it's one data point out of 29. The further you go in the season, the harder it is to move up or down because each game impacts the overall score less. We earned our high rankings early.

What this metric doesn't cover is the fact that DePaul was missing their best player and the overall trend to end the season. We've been playing our worst basketball of the season in 2 of the past 4 games.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 05, 2020, 09:20:49 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 4
New Old
12   13   Creighton   
13   14   Villanova   
14   12   Seton Hall   
17   20   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
40   44   Providence   
42   41   Xavier   
62   62   Georgetown   
70   66   St. John's
83   81   DePaul

3/4 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%204,%202020.pdf
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Windyplayer on March 05, 2020, 10:27:21 AM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 4
New Old
12   13   Creighton   
13   14   Villanova   
14   12   Seton Hall   
17   20   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
40   44   Providence   
42   41   Xavier   
62   62   Georgetown   
70   66   St. John's
83   81   DePaul

3/4 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%204,%202020.pdf
Wait, I thought we were out of the tournament, fired our coach, and are in full-blown national search mode?
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 06, 2020, 06:35:52 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 5
New Old
12   12   Creighton   
13   13   Villanova   
14   14   Seton Hall   
17   17   Butler   
25   26   Marquette   
40   40   Providence   
42   42   Xavier   
65   62   Georgetown   
69   70   St. John's
83   83   DePaul   
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: warriorfred on March 06, 2020, 06:39:42 AM
The NET rating determines the National Champion, correct?
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: warriorfred on March 06, 2020, 06:53:02 AM
I lived in Minnesota in 1996, and was in a bar on Selection Sunday.  The Gophers finished the season 18-12, and won their last 3 Big Ten games to finish the conference at 10-8.

They missed the tournament.

The level of bitching was high with fans sighting all the usual metrics at the time . . .  SOS was good, above .500 in the Big 10, a few victories against ranked opponents, etc.  All the statistical arguments were valid, but Minnesota did not pass the "eye test."

They were an average team that lost in the 2nd round of the NIT.

It is painful to admit, but absent a victory at St. Johns and semi-final run in the BET, Marquette does not pass the eye test.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Litehouse on March 06, 2020, 07:48:51 AM
It is painful to admit, but absent a victory at St. Johns and semi-final run in the BET, Marquette does not pass the eye test.

How much have you watched the teams below us?  We can lose our next 2 games and we're still in.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: CTWarrior on March 06, 2020, 07:51:55 AM
The NET rating determines the National Champion, correct?
No, but it has a hand in determining who gets to play for it.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BLM on March 06, 2020, 08:21:34 AM
Marquette is 25th in the NET and 29th in KenPom.  They're ranked higher in KenPom than literally every team in the SEC.  If Marquette doesn't deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament then just let the P6 conference tournament winners, minus the SEC winner, plus 3 at large teams battle out an 8 team Tournament.

Stop being dumb.

PS, since I apparently hurt one of the dentists' feelings in a different thread, if being called out as being dumb hurts your feelings, there's a simple solution.  Either educate yourself and have a reasonable discussion or don't post your irrational thoughts.  Or accept that when you post something stupid (Bobby Hurley should be hired to replace Wojo...when he's exactly what people are crying about Wojo for - sub .500 conference record in his 5 years in the killer Pac12, no Tourney wins) you'll be called out.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: brewcity77 on March 06, 2020, 11:48:04 AM
It is painful to admit, but absent a victory at St. Johns and semi-final run in the BET, Marquette does not pass the eye test.

Your 24-year-old story has no bearing on today's selection process. Your assertion that Marquette might miss the NCAA tournament does not pass the eye test.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 06, 2020, 03:10:38 PM
It is painful to admit, but absent a victory at St. Johns and semi-final run in the BET, Marquette does not pass the eye test.

Have your eyes tested any other teams below, say, the top 30 seeds?  My guess is not, based on your rather clueless assertion. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: shoothoops on March 06, 2020, 03:19:29 PM
I lived in Minnesota in 1996, and was in a bar on Selection Sunday.  The Gophers finished the season 18-12, and won their last 3 Big Ten games to finish the conference at 10-8.

They missed the tournament.

The level of bitching was high with fans sighting all the usual metrics at the time . . .  SOS was good, above .500 in the Big 10, a few victories against ranked opponents, etc.  All the statistical arguments were valid, but Minnesota did not pass the "eye test."

They were an average team that lost in the 2nd round of the NIT.

It is painful to admit, but absent a victory at St. Johns and semi-final run in the BET, Marquette does not pass the eye test.

In 1996, Minnesota had an RPI of 46. All but four of their wins were outside of the top 50. Only one was top 25.

MU 2020 has a better resume than Minnesota 1996.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 06, 2020, 04:13:09 PM
3/5 NET Nitty Gritty. Team sheets not posted yet
MU is on line 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Nitty%20Gritty%20-%20March%205,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: WarriorPride68 on March 06, 2020, 04:18:28 PM
down to an 8 seed on Bracket Matrix
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 07, 2020, 08:14:50 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 6
New Old
12   12   Creighton   
13   13   Villanova   
14   14   Seton Hall   
17   17   Butler   
25   25   Marquette   
38   40   Providence   
40   42   Xavier   
64   65   Georgetown   
69   69   St. John's
82   83   DePaul
3/6 NET Nitty Gritty No team sheets posted
MU is on number 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Nitty%20Gritty%20-%20March%206,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: 1SE on March 07, 2020, 08:26:30 AM
Marquette being a mortal lock for the NCAA (which they are) and Wojo overseeing another epic late season collapse are not mutually incompatible. The former doesn't wash away the latter.

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: willie warrior on March 07, 2020, 10:04:35 AM
Marquette is 25th in the NET and 29th in KenPom.  They're ranked higher in KenPom than literally every team in the SEC.  If Marquette doesn't deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament then just let the P6 conference tournament winners, minus the SEC winner, plus 3 at large teams battle out an 8 team Tournament.

Stop being dumb.

PS, since I apparently hurt one of the dentists' feelings in a different thread, if being called out as being dumb hurts your feelings, there's a simple solution.  Either educate yourself and have a reasonable discussion or don't post your irrational thoughts.  Or accept that when you post something stupid (Bobby Hurley should be hired to replace Wojo...when he's exactly what people are crying about Wojo for - sub .500 conference record in his 5 years in the killer Pac12, no Tourney wins) you'll be called out.
Hmmm....Manesworld calling out others as dumb/stupid, or maybe only being below his plane of worthiness. Smells like the Sultan of South Bend.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BLM on March 07, 2020, 10:52:17 AM
Hmmm....Manesworld calling out others as dumb/stupid, or maybe only being below his plane of worthiness. Smells like the Sultan of South Bend.

No. I’m chicos.

Don’t want to be called out, don’t be dumb.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: shoothoops on March 08, 2020, 08:57:26 AM
MU 26th in NCAA Net rankings this morning
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 08, 2020, 09:02:39 AM
Marquette is 25th in the NET and 29th in KenPom.  They're ranked higher in KenPom than literally every team in the SEC.  If Marquette doesn't deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament then just let the P6 conference tournament winners, minus the SEC winner, plus 3 at large teams battle out an 8 team Tournament.

Stop being dumb.

PS, since I apparently hurt one of the dentists' feelings in a different thread, if being called out as being dumb hurts your feelings, there's a simple solution.  Either educate yourself and have a reasonable discussion or don't post your irrational thoughts.  Or accept that when you post something stupid (Bobby Hurley should be hired to replace Wojo...when he's exactly what people are crying about Wojo for - sub .500 conference record in his 5 years in the killer Pac12, no Tourney wins) you'll be called out.

MU definitely deserves to be in the tournament based on overall resume. But I'd be shocked if we don't get blown out in the first round by a team below us in NET at this point.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 08, 2020, 09:07:12 AM
MU 26th in NCAA Net rankings this morning

We’ve been falling off a cliff last three weeks, but I don’t think it’s barely moved the needle on this metric.  Deeply flawed!!
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 08, 2020, 09:56:10 AM
MU definitely deserves to be in the tournament based on overall resume. But I'd be shocked if we don't get blown out in the first round by a team below us in NET at this point.

I would be shocked by a first round NCAA blowout (loss) given MUs projected seed.  They've been playing poorly, but I still think almost every BE team is better than most teams in the 7-10 seed range - thus giving Marquette a good chance for a first round victory on a neutral floor.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 08, 2020, 10:04:44 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 7
New Old
11   12   Creighton   
13   13   Villanova   
16   14   Seton Hall   
18   17   Butler   
26   25   Marquette   
36   38   Providence   
43   40   Xavier   
62   64   Georgetown   
66   69   St. John's
86   82   DePaul
3/7 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%207,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: StillWarriors on March 08, 2020, 10:09:54 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 7
New Old
11   12   Creighton   
13   13   Villanova   
16   14   Seton Hall   
18   17   Butler   
26   25   Marquette   
36   38   Providence   
43   40   Xavier   
62   64   Georgetown   
66   69   St. John's
86   82   DePaul
3/7 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%207,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx

It is amazing that Prov's non-conf was so bad it is still only where it is after they have played like a top 15 team in the country for about a month now. If they end up in the 8/9 slot, that is a tough match-up for some No. 1 seed in the second round if Prov wins their first. Dangerous team right now.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2020, 01:13:56 PM
Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 8
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
13   13   Villanova   
15   16   Seton Hall   
19   18   Butler
26   26   Marquette   
36   36   Providence   
44   43   Xavier   
62   62   Georgetown   
66   66   St. John's
86   86   DePaul
3/8 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%208,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252fsolutions%252frpi%252fSitePages%252fHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 09, 2020, 02:14:33 PM
I would be shocked by a first round NCAA blowout (loss) given MUs projected seed.  They've been playing poorly, but I still think almost every BE team is better than most teams in the 7-10 seed range - thus giving Marquette a good chance for a first round victory on a neutral floor.

Of course 3 point shooting is a great equalizer, but the defense has been atrocious lately, and any team in the 7-10 range that's bigger/stronger/quicker than us (most) I would give a 75% chance of beating us, regardless of conference affiliation
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2020, 02:22:54 PM
Big East Poll Rankings as of March 9
AP
7. Creighton
11. Nova
16. The Hall
24. Butler
Others Receiving Votes -Providence
Coaches
8. Nova
9. Creighton
15. The Hall
21. Butler
Others Receiving Votes -Providence
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 10, 2020, 07:16:42 AM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of March 9
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
13   13   Villanova   
15   15   Seton Hall   
19   19   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
37   36   Providence   
45   44   Xavier   
62   62   Georgetown   
68   66   St. John's
87   86   DePaul
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 10, 2020, 08:39:18 AM
3/9 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%209,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: bilsu on March 10, 2020, 06:30:37 PM
Big East Net Rankings as of games of March 9
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
13   13   Villanova   
15   15   Seton Hall   
19   19   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
37   36   Providence   
45   44   Xavier   
62   62   Georgetown   
68   66   St. John's
87   86   DePaul
The fact that MU is 26th and Providence is 37th shows how bad a metric this is.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: lawdog77 on March 10, 2020, 06:38:42 PM
The fact that MU is 26th and Providence is 37th shows how bad a metric this is.
They are cleary playing better over the last 18 games. Before.that, they were horrible. 2-3 in Q3 games
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 10, 2020, 06:52:36 PM
The fact that MU is 26th and Providence is 37th shows how bad a metric this is.

Every game matters.  Its not a metric designed to rank teams as they stand today.  Its a metric built to measure the overall body of work of a team over the course of the entire season. 
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: jesmu84 on March 10, 2020, 07:17:23 PM
The fact that MU is 26th and Providence is 37th shows how bad a metric this is.

It's not the end all, be all. Look where the 2 are currently protected in the bracket
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 10, 2020, 07:35:32 PM
The fact that MU is 26th and Providence is 37th shows how bad a metric this is.

Agree. When it didn’t matter much, they sucked and we were good. Now that it matters most, they’re good and we suck. If you count November and December as much as February and March the numbers say we’re better. Of course they, we and everybody else knows that’s ridiculous.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: BM1090 on March 11, 2020, 12:12:08 AM
Agree. When it didn’t matter much, they sucked and we were good. Now that it matters most, they’re good and we suck. If you count November and December as much as February and March the numbers say we’re better. Of course they, we and everybody else knows that’s ridiculous.

Everything matters equally up until the tournaments start.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 11, 2020, 05:58:50 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 10
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
13   13   Villanova   
15   15   Seton Hall   
19   19   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
37   37   Providence   
45   45   Xavier   
62   62   Georgetown   
67   68   St. John's
88   87   DePaul

Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: CTWarrior on March 11, 2020, 07:48:34 AM
Everything matters equally up until the tournaments start.
I basically agree that is how the NCAA should do it.  Tournament should be a reward for the season's body of work.  I would much rather play us than Providence, though.  Otherwise, the rankings make sense.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 11, 2020, 09:01:47 AM
Everything matters equally up until the tournaments start.

To the committee, yes. In reality, no.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: Herman Cain on March 12, 2020, 05:05:25 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 11
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
13   13   Villanova   
15   15   Seton Hall   
19   19   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
37   37   Providence   
47   45   Xavier   
62   67   St. John's
65   62   Georgetown   
86   88   DePaul
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: WarriorFan on March 13, 2020, 01:02:09 AM
4 in the top 20 and all in the top 100.  Great conference and happy to be in it.
Title: Re: Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 13, 2020, 04:52:46 PM
Big East NET rankings as of games of March 11
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
13   13   Villanova   
15   15   Seton Hall   
19   19   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
37   37   Providence   
47   45   Xavier   
62   67   St. John's
65   62   Georgetown   
86   88   DePaul

Lunardi had Marquette as a 9 seed playing Houston in Omaha in his last Bracketology