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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2019, 08:37:22 PM
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Big East Conference Rankings
AP
13. Seton Hall
17. Nova
18. X
Others receiving votes MU, Butler, Cooley & Company
Coaches
13. Seton Hall
15. Nova
21. X
Others receiving votes - MU, Butler, Creighton
NET rankings have not started yet
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Big East Conference Rankings
AP
13. The Hall
22.Nova
25.X
Others receiving votes -Butler
Coaches
13. The Hall
21. Nova
23. X
Others receiving votes - Butler , DePaul
NET rankings have not started yet
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Big East Conference Rankings
AP
13. The Hall
22.Nova
25.X
Others receiving votes -Butler
Coaches
13. The Hall
21. Nova
23. X
Others receiving votes - Butler , DePaul
NET rankings have not started yet
DePaul.
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AP
16. The Hall
23. Nova
24. Butler
Others receiving votes X and DePaul
Coaches
15. The Hall
22. Nova
24. Butler
Others receiving votes X and DePaul
NET Rankings haven’t started yet
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I know I’m a homer, but I thought we would have got at least one vote.
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When was the last time Depaul received votes?
When was the last time they were ahead of MU is the rankings!???!
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The BBall budget is so ridiculous, MU has not had much to show for it recently. Excellent facilities, superb stadium to play in, and yet not performing up to expectations. Really hope it turns around this season.
On the plus side, the Wojo era has been free of conduct issues.
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Yes, state of the art everything with a top NBA team. Recruits apparently want more than that.
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The BBall budget is so ridiculous, MU has not had much to show for it recently. Excellent facilities, superb stadium to play in, and yet not performing up to expectations. Really hope it turns around this season.
On the plus side, the Wojo era has been free of conduct issues.
Didn’t we just land a great recruiting class partly because of the new stadium? It’s only been one season.
Our practice facilities are nice, but have already been passed by a lot of programs. The Al is already 16 years old
How much of that spend do we have to do just to be relevant? No football. Cold weather. Etc. We also don’t get to leverage other sports to spread expenses for the costs like many bigger schools do.
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Didn’t we just land a great recruiting class partly because of the new stadium? It’s only been one season.
Our practice facilities are nice, but have already been passed by a lot of programs. The Al is already 16 years old
How much of that spend do we have to do just to be relevant? No football. Cold weather. Etc. We also don’t get to leverage other sports to spread expenses for the costs like many bigger schools do.
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I thought the Al was renovated
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Big East Conference Rankings
AP
18.Butler
20.Nova
22.The Hall
23. X
Others Receiving Votes - MU, DePaul
Coaches
19. Butler
20. Nova
22. The Hall
Others Receiving Votes- X , MU, Depaul
NET Rankings will start December 16
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I thought the Al was renovated
Well, I know two cars were driven into it that required repairs.
2014 it got a facelift, which was needed. Fair enough.
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4 Butler
24 Villanova
38 Georgetown
43 DePaul
53 Marquette
55 Seton Hall
56 Creighton
65 St. John's
71 Xavier
146 Providence
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Big East Conference Rankings
AP
17. Butler
18. Nova
Others receiving votes -X, MU, DePaul, Georgetown and The Hall
Coaches
14. Nova
16. Butler
Others receiving votes X,MU, The Hall, DePaul and Creighton
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Here is the link to the Team Sheets.
MU is on page 53
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2015,%202019.pdf
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When was the last time Depaul received votes?
Before this, November 2000. Next longest streak outside the top 25 is Georgetown (last ranked March 2015).
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Before this, November 2000. Next longest streak outside the top 25 is Georgetown (last ranked March 2015).
DFW Hoya:
Your Hoyas are sitting in a solid position to make the tournament if they can perform well in Big East conference play.
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DFW Hoya:
Your Hoyas are sitting in a solid position to make the tournament if they can perform well in Big East conference play.
lol
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lol
3 easy games coming up . Wins are a good thing.
Go 9-9 in conference and pick up more quality wins. Their Conference games are split between q1 and q2 with Providence at q3.
Put that together with the Good wins they have and they are in good shape.
Not a stretch at all. Lots of good teams but no great teams in Big East.
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3 easy games coming up . Wins are a good thing.
Go 9-9 in conference and pick up more quality wins. Their Conference games are split between q1 and q2 with Providence at q3.
Put that together with the Good wins they have and they are in good shape.
Not a stretch at all. Lots of good teams but no great teams in Big East.
If they can maintain, yes. I suspect they are going to wear down in the conference due to their lack of depth. Ewing will have to be careful how hard he pushes them in practice with so few bodies.
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Big East NET Rankings as of December 16
New Old
4 4 Butler
24 24 Villanova
38 38 Georgetown
43 43 DePaul
53 53 Marquette
56 56 Creighton
58 55 Seton Hall
65 65 St. John's
70 71 Xavier
143 146 Providence
12/15 Team Sheets MU Page 53
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2015,%202019.pdf
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Big East Net Rankings as of December 17th
New Old
4 4 Butler
27 24 Villanova
38 38 Georgetown
39 56 Creighton
45 43 DePaul
52 53 Marquette
56 58 Seton Hall
67 65 St. John's
71 70 Xavier
150 143 Providence
12/17 Team Sheets MU is page 52
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2017,%202019.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of December 18,2019
New Old
4 4 Butler
22 27 Villanova
30 38 Georgetown
37 39 Creighton
42 45 DePaul
50 52 Marquette
59 56 Seton Hall
62 71 Xavier
69 67 St. John's
156 150 Providence
12/18 Team sheets not out yet
12/17 Team Sheets MU is Page 52
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2017,%202019.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of December 19
New Old
5 4 Butler
23 22 Villanova
30 30 Georgetown
37 37 Creighton
41 59 Seton Hall
45 42 DePaul
58 50 Marquette
65 62 Xavier
69 69 St. John's
157 156 Providence
12/19 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 58
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2019,%202019.pdf
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Big East Net Rankings as of December 20
New Old
5 5 Butler
25 23 Villanova
33 30 Georgetown
37 37 Creighton
41 41 Seton Hall
44 45 DePaul
55 58 Marquette
64 65 Xavier
67 69 St. John's
157 157 Providence
12/20 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 55
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2020,%202019.pdf
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Tower, you still think 12-6 in conf? That’s pretty sporty.
The first four games we have, 1-3 very possible.
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Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.
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Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.
I would be surprised if we do that. I’ll take 10-8 right now. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was 8-10. Going to be a bear.
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Big East NET Rankings as of December 21
New Old
3 5 Butler
21 25 Villanova
26 37 Creighton
35 33 Georgetown
36 41 Seton Hall
37 44 DePaul
50 67 St. John's
52 55 Marquette
56 64 Xavier
123 157 Providence
12/21 Team Sheets Not posted yet
12/20 Team Sheets
MU is on page 55
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2020,%202019.pdf
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Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.
Anyone who is just penciling in 2 wins against DePaul hasn’t watched DePaul play this year. What they have and haven’t done the past 15 years is irrelevant. This is a pretty good team and their resume and rankings show just that.
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Anyone who is just penciling in 2 wins against DePaul hasn’t watched DePaul play this year. What they have and haven’t done the past 15 years is irrelevant. This is a pretty good team and their resume and rankings show just that.
Seems like this year home court is huge. Hold serve at home, steal a few on the road, Providence, Creighton, St Johns. 11 or 12 wins.
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Seems like this year home court is huge. Hold serve at home, steal a few on the road, Providence, Creighton, St Johns. 11 or 12 wins.
We will lose at least one, probably two at home. Question is whether we can steal more than 1 or 2 on road to offset
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Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.
Not to be negative, but we don't usually take both from DePaul when they are dog poop.
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Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.
I would substitute Georgetown for DePaul. Don’t get me wrong, the Hoyas have impressed since The Leftovers, but I think depth issues will really hurt once they get into conference play.
I'd also give us a decent shot at sweeping Creighton since we own their arena.
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I would substitute Georgetown for DePaul. Don’t get me wrong, the Hoyas have impressed since The Leftovers, but I think depth issues will really hurt once they get into conference play.
I'd also give us a decent shot at sweeping Creighton since we own their arena.
I think they get us this year. Its BE game 1.
Without looking back at it. In the New BE how many times have we started 1-0? Thats been a tough trend for us.
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I think they get us this year. Its BE game 1.
Without looking back at it. In the New BE how many times have we started 1-0? Thats been a tough trend for us.
Just 2016-17, Howard's freshman year. Time to finish it how he started.
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Big East Conference Rankings
AP
10. Nova
12. Butler
Others receiving votes - X, DePaul, MU, Creighton, St. Johns, Georgetown, Seton Hall
Coaches
9. Nova
11. Butler
Others receiving votes -Seton Hall, X, MU, Creighton , DePaul
D1 Net rankings as of December 22
New Old
3 3 Butler
21 21 Villanova
24 26 Creighton
31 35 Georgetown
32 36 Seton Hall
35 37 DePaul
48 50 St. John's
50 52 Marquette
51 56 Xavier
119 123 Providence
12/22 Team Sheets Not Available
12/20 Team Sheets
MU is on page 55
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2020,%202019.pdf
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Big East Net Rankings as of December 23
New Old
4 3 Butler
21 21 Villanova
24 24 Creighton
31 31 Georgetown
33 32 Seton Hall
36 35 DePaul
48 48 St. John's
50 50 Marquette
51 51 Xavier
122 119 Providence
Team Sheets have not been updated since 12/20
12/20 Team Sheets
MU is on page 55
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2020,%202019.pdf
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Thinking 11-7 after this. Get both against prov. Both against Depaul. Splits everywhere else.
I think 10-8 would be solid.
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Big East NET rankings as of December 25
New Old
3 4 Butler
21 21 Villanova
24 24 Creighton
29 31 Georgetown
34 33 Seton Hall
36 36 DePaul
47 48 St. John's
50 50 Marquette
52 51 Xavier
122 122 Providence
12/25 NCAA Detailed NET summary. Will post team sheets as soon as they are available.
http://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Nitty%20Gritty%20-%20Dec.%2025,%202019.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of December 27
New Old
3 3 Butler
21 21 Villanova
24 24 Creighton
29 29 Georgetown
34 34 Seton Hall
36 36 DePaul
47 47 St. John's
50 50 Marquette
52 52 Xavier
121 122 Providence
12/27 Team Sheets
MU is on page 50
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2027,%202019.pdf
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Interesting that Marquette will likely only have 1 Q3 game all year and 23 of their 30 games will be Q1 or Q2 games. We are also scheduled to play 14 Q1 games (could change) with 12 more to go, so plenty of chances to have an impressive resume. Have to think that will be a feature to our schedule that will help come selection Sunday.
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MU zooms up to #37 from #50 in the NET ranks following yesterday’s blowout win. Guess those offensive efficiency numbers are really significant in the NET calcs.
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Big East NET Rankings as of December 28
New Old
3 3 Butler
21 21 Villanova
24 24 Creighton
31 29 Georgetown
34 34 Seton Hall
37 50 Marquette
38 36 DePaul
49 47 St. John's
53 52 Xavier
12/28 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 37
123 121 Providence
12/29
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Wow, that’s quite the jump. I wonder if UW pounding Tennessee helped that as well.
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MU zooms up to #37 from #50 in the NET ranks following yesterday’s blowout win. Guess those offensive efficiency numbers are really significant in the NET calcs.
I know people don't feel the necessity of running up efficiency margins, but even against crap teams, it helps. Wisconsin and Purdue winning likely helped, but our margin was the biggest determiner, no doubt.
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Big East NET rankings as of December 29
New Old
4 3 Butler
20 21 Villanova
25 24 Creighton
30 31 Georgetown
33 34 Seton Hall
35 37 Marquette
39 38 DePaul
49 49 St. John's
53 53 Xavier
129 123 Providence
12/29 Team Sheets Not available
12/28 Team sheets
MU is on page 37
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2028,%202019.pdf
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12/29 Team Sheets came out
MU is on Page 35
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2029,%202019.pdf
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Big East NET rankings as of December 29
New Old
4 3 Butler
20 21 Villanova
25 24 Creighton
30 31 Georgetown
33 34 Seton Hall
35 37 Marquette
39 38 DePaul
49 49 St. John's
53 53 Xavier
129 123 Providence
12/29 Team Sheets Not available
12/28 Team sheets
MU is on page 37
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2028,%202019.pdf
Georgetown ahead of us. Wow. New Big East has been interesting - very solid top to bottom yet ultimately just 1 or 2 Top 25 caliber teams.
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Question: Are the Q1, Q2 etc determined at the time of playing, or end of year?
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Question: Are the Q1, Q2 etc determined at the time of playing, or end of year?
End of year
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Question: Are the Q1, Q2 etc determined at the time of playing, or end of year?
End of year if I recall correctly
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Question: Are the Q1, Q2 etc determined at the time of playing, or end of year?
Ultimately, end of year, but when you look at a team sheet, it's wherever the team stands as of that moment. So North Dakota State is currently a Q4 opponent, but if they handily win on Thursday (15+ points, favored by 13) they will likely move up to Q3. But they could easily move back and forth between Q3 and Q4 as the year goes on, possibly even get to Q2 if they really dominated the Summit.
The only number that matters is where the Quadrants & NET stand on Selection Sunday. Worth noting, if you ever go back to look at past NCAA rankings (NET or RPI) they will show a final number and a "previous" number. The more important one is actually the "previous" number because that is taking into account where teams stood when bids were allocated. It's fine to consider the results of the various postseason tournaments, but it's not like they retroactively change anyone's end-season results.
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Big East Conference Poll Rankings
AP
10. Nova
11. Butler
Others Receiving Votes-X, DePaul, MU, Georgetown, Creighton, The Johnnies, The Hall
Coaches
9. Nova
10. Butler
Others Receiving Votes- X, MU,Creighton, DePaul, The Hall
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Big East Net Rankings as of December 30
New Old
4 4 Butler
17 20 Villanova
24 25 Creighton
25 33 Seton Hall
29 30 Georgetown
35 35 Marquette
51 49 St. John's
52 53 Xavier
67 39 DePaul
128 129 Providence
12/30 Team Sheets Not out
12/29 Team Sheet
MU is on page 35
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2029,%202019.pdf
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Damn. DePaul took a hit.
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Damn. DePaul took a hit.
Gotta protect home. Road wins are VERY valuable too. A win at Creighton would be really good for us.
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MU up to 31 from 35 in today’s NET rankings.
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Big East Net Rankings as of December 31
New Old
4 4 Butler
16 17 Villanova
22 24 Creighton
25 25 Seton Hall
31 35 Marquette
47 52 Xavier
53 29 Georgetown
56 51 St. John's
68 67 DePaul
108 128 Providence
12/31 Team Sheets
MU is on page 31
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Dec.%2031,%202019.pdf
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MU dropped to 37 in the NET rankings. Thought it would be more than that...
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MU dropped to 37 in the NET rankings. Thought it would be more than that...
I wonder how much scoring those last 9 cosmetic points after they emptied the bench helped.
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I wonder how much scoring those last 9 cosmetic points after they emptied the bench helped.
Would love to figure out the impact...
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Big East NET rankings as of January 1
New Old
4 4 Butler
17 16 Villanova
22 22 Creighton
25 25 Seton Hall
37 31 Marquette
48 47 Xavier
49 53 Georgetown
54 56 St. John's
63 68 DePaul
107 108 Providence
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I wonder how much scoring those last 9 cosmetic points after they emptied the bench helped.
And how many seed lines did it cost the Blue Jays? LOL.
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Just as notable, Creighton won what was a borderline Q1 game at home and didn't rise at all.
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MU dropped to 37 in the NET rankings. Thought it would be more than that...
Most impact comes from losing at home.
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And how many seed lines did it cost the Blue Jays? LOL.
Depending how the chips fall, I would guess a max of 1.
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12/31 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 37
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%201,%202020.pdf
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Depending how the chips fall, I would guess a max of 1.
So it's conceptually possible that it could cost them a tourney bid?
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So it's conceptually possible that it could cost them a tourney bid?
As silly as it sounds, yes.
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Big East NET rankings as of January 2
New Old
4 4 Butler
17 17 Villanova
23 22 Creighton
28 25 Seton Hall
34 37 Marquette
44 48 Xavier
46 49 Georgetown
48 54 St. John's
63 63 DePaul
105 107 Providence
1/02 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 34
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%202,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET rankings as of January 3
New Old
4 4 Butler
19 17 Villanova
23 23 Creighton
25 28 Seton Hall
33 34 Marquette
45 44 Xavier
47 48 St. John's
54 46 Georgetown
63 63 DePaul
108 105 Providence
1/3 Team Sheets Not Posted Yet
/02 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 34
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%202,%202020.pdf
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1/3 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 33
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%203,%202020.pdf
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Big jump in NET for MU after beating Nova. Up to 25 from 33.
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Big East NET rankings as of January 4
New Old
3 4 Butler
22 23 Creighton
24 19 Villanova
25 33 Marquette
27 25 Seton Hall
43 45 Xavier
47 47 St. John's
58 54 Georgetown
77 63 DePaul
98 108 Providence
1/04 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%204,%202020.pdf
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This is an interesting research report on some of the mysterious workings of how the NET ranking is derived.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mwcconnection.com/platform/amp/2020/1/3/21048510/stats-corner-san-diego-state-and-their-1-ranking
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Big East Net Rankings as games of January 5
New Old
3 3 Butler
21 22 Creighton
23 24 Villanova
25 27 Seton Hall
27 25 Marquette
41 43 Xavier
58 58 Georgetown
63 47 St. John's
78 77 DePaul
100 98 Providence
1/05 Team Sheets Not out yet
1/04 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%204,%202020.pdf
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USC was crushed 72-40 at Washington.
Purdue lost big at Illinois.
Life on the road in league play.
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USC was crushed 72-40 at Washington.
Purdue lost big at Illinois.
Life on the road in league play.
Both of those outcomes are bad for us. Dropped us two spots in NET
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1/5 Team Sheets
MU is on page 27
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%205,%202020.pdf
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Both of those outcomes are bad for us. Dropped us two spots in NET
Glad it was only two spots, though. Davidson also lost. 2 spot drop is tiny given the results yesterday.
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Big East Poll Rankings as of January 6
AP
6. Butler
16. Nova
Others receiving votes- The Hall, MU, X, Creighton
Coaches
6. Butler
16. Nova
25. The Hall
Others receiving votes-MU, X, Creighton
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 6
New Old
3 3 Butler
21 21 Creighton
23 23 Villanova
25 25 Seton Hall
27 27 Marquette
40 41 Xavier
60 63 St. John's
61 58 Georgetown
78 78 DePaul
99 100 Providence
1/6 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 27
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%206,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of January 7
New Old
4 3 Butler
19 23 Villanova
22 25 Seton Hall
32 21 Creighton
35 27 Marquette
38 40 Xavier
57 60 St. John's
58 61 Georgetown
77 78 DePaul
81 99 Providence
1/07 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 35
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%207,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 8
New Old
4 4 Butler
19 22 Seton Hall
20 19 Villanova
32 32 Creighton
37 35 Marquette
50 58 Georgetown
54 38 Xavier
73 57 St. John's
74 77 DePaul
81 81 Providence
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Big East Net Rankings as of January 9
4 4 Butler
19 19 Seton Hall
20 20 Villanova
32 32 Creighton
39 37 Marquette
47 50 Georgetown
52 54 Xavier
71 73 St. John's
73 74 DePaul
78 81 Providence
1/09 Team sheets
MU is on page 39
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%209,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of January 10
3 4 Butler
19 19 Seton Hall
20 20 Villanova
31 32 Creighton
41 39 Marquette
47 47 Georgetown
51 52 Xavier
71 73 DePaul
72 71 St. John's
82 78 Providence
1/10 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 41
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2010,%202020.pdf
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 11
3 3 Butler
17 19 Seton Hall
20 20 Villanova
28 31 Creighton
40 41 Marquette
52 47 Georgetown
55 51 Xavier
64 72 St. John's
73 71 DePaul
90 82 Providence
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Can't believe we moved up a spot after yesterday's loss. I suppose most of our opponents won.
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Can't believe we moved up a spot after yesterday's loss. I suppose most of our opponents won.
It was also a game we were supposed to lose, so losing that one really doesn't hurt us much.
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1/11 Team Sheets
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2011,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of January 12
New Old
2 3 Butler
19 17 Seton Hall
20 20 Villanova
27 28 Creighton
42 40 Marquette
52 52 Georgetown
56 55 Xavier
65 64 St Johns
72 73 DePaul
90 90 Providence
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1/12 Team Sheets
MU is on page 42
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2012,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252fsolutions%252frpi%252fSitePages%252fHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
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Big East Rankings
AP
5. Butler
14. Nova
18. The Hall
25. Creighton
Coaches
5. Butler
15. Nova
18. The Hall
Others Receiving Votes- Creighton, MU,X, Cooley& Co.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 13
New Old
2 2 Butler
19 19 Seton Hall
20 20 Villanova
27 27 Creighton
42 42 Marquette
52 52 Georgetown
56 56 Xavier
65 65 St. John's
72 72 DePaul
91 90 Providence
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 14
New Old
2 2 Butler
18 19 Seton Hall
21 20 Villanova
27 27 Creighton
42 42 Marquette
53 52 Georgetown
57 56 Xavier
64 72 DePaul
65 65 St. John's
91 91 Providence
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1/14 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 42
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2014,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 15
New Old
7 2 Butler
11 18 Seton Hall
21 21 Villanova
29 27 Creighton
36 42 Marquette
49 53 Georgetown
64 64 DePaul
69 57 Xavier
73 65 St. John's
85 91 Providence
1/15 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 36
http://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Jan.%2015,%202020.pdf
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 16
New Old
7 7 Butler
12 11 Seton Hall
20 21 Villanova
30 29 Creighton
35 36 Marquette
48 49 Georgetown
63 64 DePaul
67 69 Xavier
74 73 St. John's
86 85 Providence
1/16 Team Sheets
MU is on page 35
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Big East Net Ranking as of January 17
New Old
7 7 Butler
11 12 Seton Hall
20 20 Villanova
30 30 Creighton
35 35 Marquette
48 48 Georgetown
63 63 DePaul
69 67 Xavier
75 74 St. John's
85 86 Providence
1/17 Team Sheets
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MU moves up to #30 from #35(not as much as I thought they would move). USC moves from #51 to #46, now giving MU another Q1 win(for now anyway). K State moved from #103 all the way up to #85. The NET is weird. I don't know why they can't/don't release the formula.
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Big East D1 Net rankings as of games of January 18
New Old
7 7 Butler
12 11 Seton Hall
17 20 Villanova
30 35 Marquette
33 30 Creighton
51 63 DePaul
52 48 Georgetown
68 69 Xavier
76 75 St. John's
80 85 Providence
1/18 Team Sheets
MU is on page 30
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The NET is weird. I don't know why they can't/don't release the formula.
They don't want teams to game the system like they did with RPI.
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MU moves up to #30 from #35(not as much as I thought they would move). USC moves from #51 to #46, now giving MU another Q1 win(for now anyway). K State moved from #103 all the way up to #85. The NET is weird. I don't know why they can't/don't release the formula.
Moving to 30 is about what I expected
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Big East NET rankings as of January 19
New Old
7 7 Butler
12 12 Seton Hall
17 17 Villanova
30 30 Marquette
33 33 Creighton
51 51 DePaul
52 52 Georgetown
68 68 Xavier
76 76 St. John's
79 80 Providence
1/19 Team Sheets
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Big East Rankings January 20
AP
9. The Hall
10. Nova
13. Butler
Others receiving votes-Creighton , MU
Coaches
10. The Hall
11.Nova
12. Butler
Others receiving votes-Creighton,MU
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 20
New Old
8 7 Butler
12 12 Seton Hall
17 17 Villanova
30 30 Marquette
33 33 Creighton
52 51 DePaul
53 52 Georgetown
68 68 Xavier
77 76 St. John's
80 79 Providence
1/20 Team Sheets
MU is on page 30
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 21
New Old
9 8 Butler
12 12 Seton Hall
16 17 Villanova
28 30 Marquette
34 33 Creighton
52 52 DePaul
53 53 Georgetown
68 68 Xavier
80 77 St. John's
81 80 Providence
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 21
New Old
9 8 Butler
12 12 Seton Hall
16 17 Villanova
28 30 Marquette
34 33 Creighton
52 52 DePaul
53 53 Georgetown
68 68 Xavier
80 77 St. John's
81 80 Providence
I’m a little surprised we moved up with Purdue and KSU getting killed, and a home win against a lower team.
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I’m a little surprised we moved up with Purdue and KSU getting killed, and a home win against a lower team.
We won and covered, Maryland won and covered, Madison won and covered. Even with K-State and Purdue losing, up 2 seems about right.
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It's time to start thinking about Quadrants and Team Sheets.
Right now the glaring hole in our resume is the lack of Quad 1A wins. We have four losses: Maryland, Seton Hall, Wisconsin, and Creighton. Our Quad 1B is better with three wins: Nova, Georgetown, USC. Overall that gets us to 3-4 in Quad 1, but the Quad 1A losses hurt.
Good thing we still have some chances to pick up Quad 1A wins: Butler x 2, Seton Hall, and @Villanova are all likely to be Quad 1A games, while @DePaul and @Xavier are very winnable Quad 1B games. Plus any of these games in MSG would be Quad 1s: (1A) Hall, Nova, Butler, (1B) Creighton, maybe Depaul and Georgetown.
Would also be nice to see Providence rise a few spots and turn that Quad 3 loss into a Quad 2 loss.
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It's time to start thinking about Quadrants and Team Sheets.
Right now the glaring hole in our resume is the lack of Quad 1A wins. We have four losses: Maryland, Seton Hall, Wisconsin, and Creighton. Our Quad 1B is better with three wins: Nova, Georgetown, USC. Overall that gets us to 3-4 in Quad 1, but the Quad 1A losses hurt.
Good thing we still have some chances to pick up Quad 1A wins: Butler x 2, Seton Hall, and @Villanova are all likely to be Quad 1A games, while @DePaul and @Xavier are very winnable Quad 1B games. Plus any of these games in MSG would be Quad 1s: (1A) Hall, Nova, Butler, (1B) Creighton, maybe Depaul and Georgetown.
Would also be nice to see Providence rise a few spots and turn that Quad 3 loss into a Quad 2 loss.
The good news is Villanova is really close to Q1A. The cut-off is 15 and they are currently 16. I'm looking at the lower quadrants a lot. I'm hoping K-State can move to the top-75 for another Q1 win. St. John's, Providence, and Davidson are all pretty close to moving up to Q2 as well. Would be really nice to see that movement.
Right now, Purdue, K-State, and Davidson are the three biggest resume disappointments. Really thought those could all be Q1 games at the start of the season. Davidson especially, both Grady & Gudmundsson are posting career lows in offensive efficiency.
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1/21 Team Sheets
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Big East NET rankings as of Games of January 22
New Old
9 9 Butler
12 12 Seton Hall
16 16 Villanova
27 28 Marquette
28 34 Creighton
55 53 Georgetown
59 52 DePaul
61 68 Xavier
79 80 St. John's
80 81 Providence
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1/22 Team Sheets
MU is on page 27
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1/22 Team Sheets
MU is on page 27
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Providence loss still sitting in Q3. They’re a decent team but really screwed the Big East by having such an awful non-conference.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 23
New Old
8 9 Butler
12 12 Seton Hall
15 16 Villanova
26 27 Marquette
27 28 Creighton
55 55 Georgetown
57 59 DePaul
60 61 Xavier
79 79 St. John's
81 80 Providence
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1/23 Team Sheets
MU is On Page 27
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Big East Net ranking as of games of January 24
New Old
8 8 Butler
13 12 Seton Hall
15 15 Villanova
25 26 Marquette
26 27 Creighton
55 55 Georgetown
57 57 DePaul
61 60 Xavier
80 81 Providence
81 79 St. John's
1/24 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
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Losing in OT at Butler moved MU up.
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Thanks for posting these daily Herman, it’s appreciated.
Maybe it’s just me, but I feel like this is a solid Big East year. I think many of the teams have the makeup to do well in the postseason, and I will be really rooting for them all. Not many hate-able teams in conference this season, a lot of things to like
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Losing in OT at Butler moved MU up.
And MU remained unchanged at 32 in KenPom numbers.
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And MU remained unchanged at 32 in KenPom numbers.
Rank stayed the same but their score went up a little bit.
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Rank stayed the same but their score went up a little bit.
The Committee is also obviously looking at NET moreso than Kenpom, so that's a plus.
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Losing in OT at Butler moved MU up.
We should lose every game!
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Big East NET rankings as of Games of January 25
New Old
8 8 Butler
12 13 Seton Hall
14 15 Villanova
25 25 Marquette
26 26 Creighton
53 55 Georgetown
59 61 Xavier
66 81 St. John's
67 57 DePaul
80 80 Providence
1/25 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 25
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 26
New Old
9 8 Butler
12 12 Seton Hall
14 14 Villanova
24 26 Creighton
26 25 Marquette
53 53 Georgetown
63 59 Xavier
66 66 St. John's
68 67 DePaul
79 80 Providence
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Big East Poll Rankings January 27
AP
8. Nova
10. The Hall
16. Butler
Others Receiving Votes -Creighton
Coaches
9. The Hall
10.Nova
17.Butler
Others Receiving Votes-Creighton ,MU
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Our team sheet looks pretty good. If Purdue can somehow find their way back into the top 30 it would look great.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 27
New Old
9 9 Butler
12 12 Seton Hall
14 14 Villanova
24 24 Creighton
26 26 Marquette
52 53 Georgetown
63 63 Xavier
66 68 DePaul
67 66 St. John's
78 79 Providence
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MU is on page 26
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 28
New Old
9 9 Butler
11 14 Villanova
13 12 Seton Hall
22 24 Creighton
26 26 Marquette
52 52 Georgetown
61 63 Xavier
64 66 DePaul
72 67 St. John's
78 78 Providence
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MU is on page 26
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Chance for a Quad 1 (albeit 1B) win tonight at Xavier. Quad 1 losses don't really hurt, but quad 1 wins certainly help.
Would be nice to see Providence move up just three spots and turn that Q3 loss into a Q2.
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Chance for a Quad 1 (albeit 1B) win tonight at Xavier. Quad 1 losses don't really hurt, but quad 1 wins certainly help.
Would be nice to see Providence move up just three spots and turn that Q3 loss into a Q2.
Purdue had a nice chance to move back into Q1 last night, but lost. Davidson is back into Q2, although by the skin of their teeth. Those 2 plus Providence are the three biggest to watch and hope for positive movement IMO.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 29
New Old
8 9 Butler
12 11 Villanova
13 13 Seton Hall
25 26 Marquette
26 22 Creighton
49 52 Georgetown
58 64 DePaul
62 61 Xavier
73 72 St. John's
77 78 Providence
1/29 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
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4-5 in Q1 and 4-0 in Q2 is a pretty damn good resume.
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4-5 in Q1 and 4-0 in Q2 is a pretty damn good resume.
I was surprised that MU only moved up 1 spot in the NET last night after a Q1 road win. I thought they might even crack the top 20. The thing that probably hurt them is Davidson being back into Q3 after a 4OT loss last night. What a disappointing season they are having. That win for MU before the season started was supposed to look really good. Unfortunately not so much.
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4-5 in Q1 and 4-0 in Q2 is a pretty damn good resume.
I'd prefer 4-1 in Q2 with a clean slate in Q3 and Q4 to what we have now. Come on Providence!
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I'd prefer 4-1 in Q2 with a clean slate in Q3 and Q4 to what we have now. Come on Providence!
We'll survive that loss, but it does hurt. Things look so much better at 6-3 (16-5) without that crummy home loss.
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I was surprised that MU only moved up 1 spot in the NET last night after a Q1 road win. I thought they might even crack the top 20. The thing that probably hurt them is Davidson being back into Q3 after a 4OT loss last night. What a disappointing season they are having. That win for MU before the season started was supposed to look really good. Unfortunately not so much.
NCAA has not published any formula. They say the model is designed to be predictive in nature and that as the year goes by it becomes more accurate.
As far the team sheets go, I agree that the Davidson win is not going to be doing much for us. We just have to keep building our resume in the remaining Big East games. Committee has consistently said in the interview after the tournament picks are announced , that they give a lot of weighting to the number of quality wins a team has been able to achieve.
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NCAA has not published any formula. They say the model is designed to be predictive in nature and that as the year goes by it becomes more accurate.
As far the team sheets go, I agree that the Davidson win is not going to be doing much for us. We just have to keep building our resume in the remaining Big East games. Committee has consistently said in the interview after the tournament picks are announced , that they give a lot of weighting to the number of quality wins a team has been able to achieve.
On the flip side, the USC win looks better than anyone could have anticipated.
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Friday January 31, Marquette is now 22 in NCAA Net Rankings.
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Friday January 31, Marquette is now 22 in NCAA Net Rankings.
Ridiculous!! Don't they know Wojo can't coach and our team won every game due to luck??
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I was surprised that MU only moved up 1 spot in the NET last night after a Q1 road win. I thought they might even crack the top 20. The thing that probably hurt them is Davidson being back into Q3 after a 4OT loss last night. What a disappointing season they are having. That win for MU before the season started was supposed to look really good. Unfortunately not so much.
Davidson having a much worse season than I thought. Good team last year, with most key players returning and a fine coach. But they lost two guys early on, and their best players - including the returning A10 POY - are having mediocre seasons. Sucks for them ... and for us! K-State also has not had as good a season as I thought they would.
But as BM1090 pointed out, USC is having a better-than-expected season. Plus, every time it looks like Purdue is cooked, they pull off a huge win or two.
Pretty happy with a NET of 22, considering everything.
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Ridiculous!! Don't they know Wojo can't coach and our team won every game due to luck??
Clearly, NET is a delusional pro-jo-er.
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*Eye emoji*
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 30
New Old
8 8 Butler
13 12 Villanova
14 13 Seton Hall
22 25 Marquette
25 26 Creighton
49 49 Georgetown
59 58 DePaul
63 62 Xavier
73 73 St. John's
78 77 Providence
1/30 Team Sheets
MU is on page 22
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Friday January 31, Marquette is now 22 in NCAA Net Rankings.
Classic Wojo. Intentionally demotivating his team and encouraging weak fouls to get us to a 22 ranking. Boo
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Serious question, what seeding would that give us if the season ended today?
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Serious question, what seeding would that give us if the season ended today?
22 on net means a 6, maybe a 7 if they had to adjust locations.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of January 30
New Old
8 8 Butler
13 12 Villanova
14 13 Seton Hall
22 25 Marquette
25 26 Creighton
49 49 Georgetown
59 58 DePaul
63 62 Xavier
73 73 St. John's
78 77 Providence
1/30 Team Sheets
MU is on page 22
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thanks. Still trying to figure out how Ohio State is 17.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/AXorq76Tg3Vte/200.webp?cid=790b7611c6ebea72d3b29530d71d5adcf0598bc726fd3c12&rid=200.webp)
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Serious question, what seeding would that give us if the season ended today?
Hmm ... 22/4= X .... hmmm idk
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Sandy
Hmmm...not sure that is exactly how it works
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Sandy
Hmmm...not sure that is exactly how it works
Net is only part of the seeding evaluation.
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Serious question, what seeding would that give us if the season ended today?
If they went strictly by the NET, 6. That said, I could see some teams behind us like Kentucky, Creighton, Auburn, and Illinois being seeded higher than us. I would put money on a 7 right now, but anything 6-8 feels about right.
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If they went strictly by the NET, 6. That said, I could see some teams behind us like Kentucky, Creighton, Auburn, and Illinois being seeded higher than us. I would put money on a 7 right now, but anything 6-8 feels about right.
A fun fact from last year. NC State final NET ranking was 33 and they did not make the tournament at all.
I believe we have enough quality wins to make the tournament, but am not sure what kind of seeding we will get.
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A fun fact from last year. NC State final NET ranking was 33 and they did not make the tournament at all.
I believe we have enough quality wins to make the tournament, but am not sure what kind of seeding we will get.
They were the definition of gaming the system (interesting since no one knew the system at the time) and the SC saw through it. Of the 46 brackets on bracketmatrix.com to update since Tuesday, 45 have us between the 6-8 lines.
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A fun fact from last year. NC State final NET ranking was 33 and they did not make the tournament at all.
I could see Wisconsin being in the same position this year.
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Just want to get an at-large bid
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Just want to get an at-large bid
I want that automatic bid.
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22 on net means a 6, maybe a 7 if they had to adjust locations.
Also maybe a 5, same reason.
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Who did well for us that we jumped 3 spots yesterday??
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Who did well for us that we jumped 3 spots yesterday??
Maryland, Robert Morris, USC, & North Dakota State all won. NDSU in blowout fashion. Jacksonville lost a game they should have won narrowly.
Stanford lost and dropped 11 spots. We also passed Kentucky & Penn State, who probably just didn't have as good of non-con results on the day.
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By my quick review only 9 teams have played more quad 1 games than Marquette - of those Kansas is the only team not in the big ten or big east.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of January 31
New Old
8 8 Butler
13 13 Villanova
14 14 Seton Hall
22 22 Marquette
25 25 Creighton
49 49 Georgetown
59 59 DePaul
61 63 Xavier
73 73 St. John's
75 78 Providence
1/31 Team Sheets
MU is on page 22
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Marquette falls from 22 to 25 in NCAA Net Rankings after DePaul win.
Creighton made big leap forward from 25 to 14 with win at Villanova.
Auburn's win over Kentucky, and Stanford's win over Oregon were also big movers.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 1
New Old
12 8 Butler
13 13 Villanova
14 25 Creighton
17 14 Seton Hall
25 22 Marquette
47 61 Xavier
51 49 Georgetown
59 59 DePaul
64 75 Providence
73 73 St. John's
2/1 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
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Marquette falls from 22 to 25 in NCAA Net Rankings after DePaul win.
Creighton made big leap forward from 25 to 14 with win at Villanova.
Auburn's win over Kentucky, and Stanford's win over Oregon were also big movers.
And IIRC, MU moved up after losing to Butler. It's obvious--MU needs to lose out to get a high seed.
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Other than Georgetown at home, it looks like every other game is Q1. For Q1A games remaining, 2 out of 3 are at home. We have a great opportunity to put a very nice resume together and climb seed lines.
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Nice to see Providence win and move up to 64. Be nice if they stay in the top 75 so that loss is only Q2.
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By my quick review only 9 teams have played more quad 1 games than Marquette - of those Kansas is the only team not in the big ten or big east.
Looking at the upcoming schedule the Big East is the only conference without any Q3 or Q4 games left on the schedule. The Big Ten is close, except for Nebraska or Northwestern games. It is crazy how the good from top to bottom the Big East is this year.
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Providence moving up to Q2 is big for the resume. Been hoping that would happen for awhile. A few things to watch for this week from a resume perspective...
- Kansas State: The Wildcats are #77 in the NET. If they keep it close against Baylor at home & Iowa State at Hilton, they could move into the top-75, for another Q1 win.
- Purdue: The Boilers are #37 in the NET, hoping they move into the top-30 to add a Q1 win. They host Iowa & travel to Indiana.
- Davidson: The Wildcats have won 4/5 to get into the top-100 of NET & become a Q2 win. Hoping they stay there, they are at VCU Friday.
- USC: Big road trip for the NET #45 Trojans at ASU & Arizona next weekend. Need to stay top-50 to be a Q1 win.
- Robert Morris: Unlikely to move up to Q3, but they are quietly trending toward the 1-seed in the Northeast Conference Tournament (league leader Merrimack is ineligible for postseason play).
- Loyola-Maryland: This has been the biggest disappointment in my opinion, but Santi Aldama finally debuted & had 11 points and 3 assists in just 17 minutes as the Greyhounds got their first league win in almost a month. Worth watching to see if their fortunes improve with the Spanish NBA prospect now available.
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USC getting their clocks cleaned last night was not beneficial for us
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Providence moving up to Q2 is big for the resume. Been hoping that would happen for awhile. A few things to watch for this week from a resume perspective...
- Loyola-Maryland: This has been the biggest disappointment in my opinion, but Santi Aldama finally debuted & had 11 points and 3 assists in just 17 minutes as the Greyhounds got their first league win in almost a month. Worth watching to see if their fortunes improve with the Spanish NBA prospect now available.
They had two significant injuries that have just killed them. They were 9-5 before the second injury with all the losses being on the road to better teams. They lost their next 8 games. They did win Aldama's debut yesterday so maybe they turn it around.
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USC getting their clocks cleaned last night was not beneficial for us
Davidson winning by about 100 was nice, though.
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Just for grins and since we have the week off, anyone wanna speculate where MU would be in the NET if they win their net 3 in a row??
Butler(H)
@Nova
Creighton(H)
Now obviously their are external factors that go into it(opponents results), but on their own merits, where do we think those 3 wins would land MU??
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Just for grins and since we have the week off, anyone wanna speculate where MU would be in the NET if they win their net 3 in a row??
Butler(H)
@Nova
Creighton(H)
Now obviously their are external factors that go into it(opponents results), but on their own merits, where do we think those 3 wins would land MU??
They have said the NET model is predictive in nature , so a winning streak like that , against strong teams, would indicate that the team is doing well so most likely some modest improvement. Especially if those in front are in typical conference mode where there is cannibalization going on.
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Just for grins and since we have the week off, anyone wanna speculate where MU would be in the NET if they win their net 3 in a row??
Butler(H)
@Nova
Creighton(H)
Now obviously their are external factors that go into it(opponents results), but on their own merits, where do we think those 3 wins would land MU??
I’ll take a guess- #13-15.
If we win 2/3 I’d go with just inside 20.
If MU losses 2/3 I’d say stay in the mid
to low 20s assuming no 20 pt blowout loss at home.
Getting swept would likely lead to a drop into the mid to low 30s unless all three losses are extremely close
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I’ll take a guess- #13-15.
If we win 2/3 I’d go with just inside 20.
If MU losses 2/3 I’d say stay in the mid
to low 20s assuming no 20 pt blowout loss at home.
Getting swept would likely lead to a drop into the mid to low 30s unless all three losses are extremely close
I'm not saying you're wrong at all, but man, to beat the NET #12,13,14 and only move from 25..to that range would be a bit disappointing I think. For reference, Creighton moved 11 spots alone yesterday by winning @ Nova. Again, there's a lot that goes into it, I know, but I was king of thinking they MIGHT crack the top 10 if they ran off those 3 in row. Although your range of 12-13 is just outside the top 10. Let's hope we get to find out!
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The net isn't just about the wins and losses, it is about how you win or lose.
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The net isn't just about the wins and losses, it is about how you win or lose.
Yep. If we win every game by 1, our NET would likely barely move or maybe even go down.
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Just for grins and since we have the week off, anyone wanna speculate where MU would be in the NET if they win their net 3 in a row??
Butler(H)
@Nova
Creighton(H)
Now obviously their are external factors that go into it(opponents results), but on their own merits, where do we think those 3 wins would land MU??
Depends heavily on margins. We'll be favored against Butler and Creighton, so if those are narrow wins, we won't go up at all. We'll be an underdog at 'Nova, so that would move us up. All close wins, probably 20-25. All big wins (8+) and I'd say 13-18. Lots of variability.
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Depends heavily on margins. We'll be favored against Butler and Creighton, so if those are narrow wins, we won't go up at all. We'll be an underdog at 'Nova, so that would move us up. All close wins, probably 20-25. All big wins (8+) and I'd say 13-18. Lots of variability.
If we go 3-0 I think we are in the teens. Might literally be only 18 or 19 but I think at least the teens. Then higher if we get some ass kickings in there.
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I'm not saying you're wrong at all, but man, to beat the NET #12,13,14 and only move from 25..to that range would be a bit disappointing I think. For reference, Creighton moved 11 spots alone yesterday by winning @ Nova. Again, there's a lot that goes into it, I know, but I was king of thinking they MIGHT crack the top 10 if they ran off those 3 in row. Although your range of 12-13 is just outside the top 10. Let's hope we get to find out!
Wow I missed CUs 11 spot jump, thanks for pointing that out. That’s one of the largest I’ve seen in the last month. Winning by 15 on the road had a lot to do with that obviously. They were only up 7 with 2 mins to play and I would bet extending that lead late helped them a lot more than had they have won by 3-5.
I’d assume MU would be similar type of underdogs in the game at Nova as CU was, and a win in that game by double digits to go along with a three game sweep of the next 3 would probably put MU right around the top 10. That would be awesome
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 2
New Old
12 12 Butler
13 13 Villanova
14 14 Creighton
16 17 Seton Hall
25 25 Marquette
47 47 Xavier
48 51 Georgetown
59 59 DePaul
65 64 Providence
76 73 St. John's
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Entire conference in the top 75 would be cool. C'mon Johnnies!
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Big East Poll Rankings 2/3
AP
10.Nova
12. The Hall
19. Butler
21. Creighton
Others receiving votes -MU
Coaches
12.Nova
13. The Hall
19. Butler
22.Creighton
Others Receiving Votes -MU
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Wow I missed CUs 11 spot jump, thanks for pointing that out. That’s one of the largest I’ve seen in the last month. Winning by 15 on the road had a lot to do with that obviously. They were only up 7 with 2 mins to play and I would bet extending that lead late helped them a lot more than had they have won by 3-5.
I’d assume MU would be similar type of underdogs in the game at Nova as CU was, and a win in that game by double digits to go along with a three game sweep of the next 3 would probably put MU right around the top 10. That would be awesome
Xavier jumped up 14 I believe after winning handily at SH. Possibly a season saver.
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Big East Net Rankings as of Games of February 3
New Old
12 12 Butler
13 13 Villanova
14 14 Creighton
16 16 Seton Hall
25 25 Marquette
47 47 Xavier
48 48 Georgetown
59 59 DePaul
66 65 Providence
77 76 St. John's
2/3 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%203,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
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Xavier jumped up 14 I believe after winning handily at SH. Possibly a season saver.
They have to get by the trap game with DePaul.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 4
New Old
12 12 Butler
13 13 Villanova
14 14 Creighton
19 16 Seton Hall
25 25 Marquette
44 47 Xavier
48 48 Georgetown
65 66 Providence
67 59 DePaul
76 77 St. John's
2/4 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%204,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
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MU moves from #25 to #23 this morning. Maybe more importantly is Purdue's big win makes them #29, which is another Q1 win for MU. Now they just need to stay there.
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MU moves from #25 to #23 this morning. Maybe more importantly is Purdue's big win makes them #29, which is another Q1 win for MU. Now they just need to stay there.
They need to find the perfect balance of winning enough to remain in Q1 but not winning so much that they pass Marquette.
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They need to find the perfect balance of winning enough to remain in Q1 but not winning so much that they pass Marquette.
That’s obviously the best case scenario. However, I think them being Q1 is more important than MU maybe dropping a spot in NET. I think the committee really values the Q1 wins.
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They need to find the perfect balance of winning enough to remain in Q1 but not winning so much that they pass Marquette.
Matt Painter and I had an email exchange this morning, and I'm pleased to report that he has agreed to do just that. Nice guy!
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They need to find the perfect balance of winning enough to remain in Q1 but not winning so much that they pass Marquette.
Purdue will finish with at least 6-7 more losses and the tie breaker to Marquette. There is no way they will finish ahead. Also keep in mind that Marquette players Butler, Creighton and Seton Hall at home. If they win two of those 3 they are going to be in the top 15 in NR.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 5
New Old
11 12 Butler
13 19 Seton Hall
15 13 Villanova
22 14 Creighton
23 25 Marquette
45 44 Xavier
52 48 Georgetown
55 65 Providence
67 67 DePaul
73 76 St. John's
2/5 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%205,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
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Johnnies back in the top-75 is good.
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 6
New Old
12 11 Butler
13 13 Seton Hall
15 15 Villanova
21 22 Creighton
23 23 Marquette
46 45 Xavier
52 52 Georgetown
55 55 Providence
66 67 DePaul
72 73 St. John's
2/6 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%206,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
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I realize that they haven't released the NET formula, and probably won't, but help me out here. Comparing us to BYU, who is 1 spot ahead of us. Q1 advantage us, 5-5 versus 1-5. Q2 advantage us, 5-1 vs 4-2. Both undefeated in Q3 and Q4 games. SOS advantage us 20 vs 32. The only way that I can see that they're superior to us is in quality of Q4 games; they've played 7 to our 5, but their worst is 270, while we have a 310 and a 312. Is that really enough to overcome the additional 4 Q1 wins that we have?
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 6
New Old
12 11 Butler
13 13 Seton Hall
15 15 Villanova
21 22 Creighton
23 23 Marquette
46 45 Xavier
52 52 Georgetown
55 55 Providence
66 67 DePaul
72 73 St. John's
2/6 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%206,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
That's one impressive conference. Wow!
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I realize that they haven't released the NET formula, and probably won't, but help me out here. Comparing us to BYU, who is 1 spot ahead of us. Q1 advantage us, 5-5 versus 1-5. Q2 advantage us, 5-1 vs 4-2. Both undefeated in Q3 and Q4 games. SOS advantage us 20 vs 32. The only way that I can see that they're superior to us is in quality of Q4 games; they've played 7 to our 5, but their worst is 270, while we have a 310 and a 312. Is that really enough to overcome the additional 4 Q1 wins that we have?
The NET is more than just wins and losses. It takes into account O and D efficiency, adjusted win percentage based on home/away, point spread up to 10 pts, and details within those categories. So the resume and quad records are the product of the NET, not the other way around.
Hope that helps!
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The NET is more than just wins and losses. It takes into account O and D efficiency, adjusted win percentage based on home/away, point spread up to 10 pts, and details within those categories. So the resume and quad records are the product of the NET, not the other way around.
Hope that helps!
Thanks for the explanation, we have had some ugly Q1 losses, although one would think that twice as many Q1/Q2 wins would overcome that, guess not. I think there is a good chance that we pass them regardless as they only have one more Q1 game on the schedule , which should be a loss to Gonzaga, while we only have 1 non-Q1 game left. Going .500 (or better, can't go .500 in a 7 game stretch) in our remaining Q1 games, plus winning our lone Q2 game remaining should put us in the top 20, assuming no blowout losses.
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BYU Average Winning Margin: 17.4 ppg
BYU Average Losing Margin: 8.3 ppg
Marquette Average Winning Margin: 15.6 ppg
Marquette Average Losing Margin: 12.2 ppg
With SOS, if we perform similarly from a results perspective we'll pass them, but with similar SOS & records, those margins are significant.
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And while BYU is ahead of us in NET and KenPom, bracketmatrix has them as top 9 seed while we are the top 7 seed. Obviously, bracketoligists don't choose the field, but even though they have the better cpu numbers, they likely get seeded below us
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And while BYU is ahead of us in NET and KenPom, bracketmatrix has them as top 9 seed while we are the top 7 seed. Obviously, bracketoligists don't choose the field, but even though they have the better cpu numbers, they likely get seeded below us
Exactly. The NET rating isn't the S curve. It is the starting point. They will look at those Q1 wins and losses as some are better than the others. That is why our schedule being so strong and the ability to pick up wins over Butler, SHU and Creighton will greatly strengthen our seeding vs the S Curve.
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Just to be clear, I wasn't really that worried about seeding/bracketology, I was just trying to get a better understanding of NET, and was kind of amazed that a team with 1 Q1 win could be ranked so high. I know that there are other numbers being crunched in the equation but they had the fewest Q1 wins out of anyone in the top 25.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 7
New Old
11 12 Butler
13 13 Seton Hall
15 15 Villanova
21 21 Creighton
23 23 Marquette
46 46 Xavier
51 52 Georgetown
54 55 Providence
66 66 DePaul
72 72 St. John’s
2/7 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%207,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
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Nova and Seton Hall preliminary 3 seeds and Butler preliminary 4 seed
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Purdue will finish with at least 6-7 more losses and the tie breaker to Marquette. There is no way they will finish ahead. Also keep in mind that Marquette players Butler, Creighton and Seton Hall at home. If they win two of those 3 they are going to be in the top 15 in NR.
Last week Purdue iffy to make the tournament.....they seem safely in at the moment. 29th in Net Rankings before today’s road win vs IU.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 8
10 11 Butler
12 13 Seton Hall
18 15 Villanova
22 21 Creighton
24 23 Marquette
45 46 Xavier
52 51 Georgetown
57 54 Providence
63 66 DePaul
77 72 St. John's
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A little surprised we dropped, as our non-con opponents went 7-2 yesterday.
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USC blowing it was not good
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USC blowing it was not good
I watched some of that and they really just gave it away. They couldn't handle ASU's defensive pressure and had no offensive rhythm.
The Pac-12 had a better non-con this year, but other than Oregon and maybe Colorado, I'm not sold anyone in that league is very good.
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I watched some of that and they really just gave it away. They couldn't handle ASU's defensive pressure and had no offensive rhythm.
The Pac-12 had a better non-con this year, but other than Oregon and maybe Colorado, I'm not sold anyone in that league is very good.
Once MU becomes a lock, my focus is on getting as many schools from the Big East in the tournament. Helps financially and aids in recruiting.
I agree with your assessment on the Pac-12. Arizona is not that strong, but they have a high NET ranking and The Johnnies beat them on a neutral , which indirectly helps everyone in our league.
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Once MU becomes a lock, my focus is on getting as many schools from the Big East in the tournament.
I'm sure you can do it, 9-9-9. All you have to do is try!
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After the big win today, MU moves up to #17 in the NET.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February
New Old
12 12 Seton Hall
14 10 Butler
17 24 Marquette
18 18 Villanova
24 22 Creighton
44 45 Xavier
53 52 Georgetown
56 57 Providence
64 63 DePaul
76 77 St. John'
2/9 Team Sheets
MU is on page 17
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%209,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
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It would really help everyone if the entire conference can finish the year in the top 75.
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Big East Poll Rankings As of February 10
AP
10. The Hall
15. Nova
18.MU
19. Butler
23. Creighton
Coaches
10. The Hall
16. Nova
20.Butler
21. Creighton
22.MU
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Analysis of Purdue bubble status as well as others. Would be helpful to MU's cause if Purdue could rally through end of season.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2020/02/09/bubble-watch-purdue-makes-push-for-ncaa-bid-securing-finish/41187555/
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This is an interesting report the NCAA puts out. Gives a good perspective on where MU ranks among the various factors.
One big feature of the Big East is the sheer number of Quad 1 games our league as a whole has is very helpful. Big 12 and Big 10 also have a lot of Quad 1 exposure. That is helpful when evaluating team sheets.
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Nitty%20Gritty%20-%20Feb.%209,%202020.pdf
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This is an interesting report the NCAA puts out. Gives a good perspective on where MU ranks among the various factors.
One big feature of the Big East is the sheer number of Quad 1 games our league as a whole has is very helpful. Big 12 and Big 10 also have a lot of Quad 1 exposure. That is helpful when evaluating team sheets.
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Nitty%20Gritty%20-%20Feb.%209,%202020.pdf
Throw in Gavitt games and Big12- Big East challenge.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 10
New Old
12 12 Seton Hall
13 14 Butler
18 17 Marquette
19 18 Villanova
24 24 Creighton
44 44 Xavier
52 53 Georgetown
56 56 Providence
64 64 DePaul
76 76 St. John's
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Analysis of Purdue bubble status as well as others. Would be helpful to MU's cause if Purdue could rally through end of season.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2020/02/09/bubble-watch-purdue-makes-push-for-ncaa-bid-securing-finish/41187555/
Huge game for PU tonight. Penn state at home.
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2/10 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 18
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2010,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 11
New Old
12 12 Seton Hall
13 13 Butler
19 18 Marquette
21 19 Villanova
24 24 Creighton
42 44 Xavier
52 52 Georgetown
57 56 Providence
65 64 DePaul
77 76 St. John's
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2/11 Team Sheets
MU is on page 19
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2011,%202020.pdf
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Purdue loss hurt
Dropped us 1 and dropped them to Q1 life support
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MU down to #20 this morning
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 12
New Old
12 13 Butler
16 12 Seton Hall
19 24 Creighton
20 19 Marquette
21 21 Villanova
43 42 Xavier
53 52 Georgetown
62 57 Providence
66 65 DePaul
67 77 St. John's
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 12
New Old
12 13 Butler
16 12 Seton Hall
19 24 Creighton
20 19 Marquette
21 21 Villanova
43 42 Xavier
53 52 Georgetown
62 57 Providence
66 65 DePaul
67 77 St. John's
We only fell 1 point, which isn't too surprising. But it looks like the win did absolutely nothing for Nova. I guess winning by 1 at home over an opponent you were favored to beat by 5 doesn't impress the computers.
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St. Johns back in the top 75
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2/12 Team Sheets
MU is on page 20
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2012,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 13
New Old
12 12 Butler
15 16 Seton Hall
19 19 Creighton
20 20 Marquette
22 21 Villanova
44 43 Xavier
54 53 Georgetown
62 62 Providence
67 66 DePaul
68 67 St. John's
2/13 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 20
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2013,%202020.pdf
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Our KenPom score went up by about .20 tonight. With so few games being played, I was curious what caused such a significant jump. Turns out, Davidson won at St. Bonaventure by 29. This game them a 22 spot boost on Kenpom. If they have a similar boost on NET, they will be safely away from the Q2/Q3 cutline and 15-20 spots away from the Q1/Q2 cutline. I don't think any team on our schedule has underperformed more than Davidson. If they have turned a corner (the game before this one was also a 30 point win) I could see them sneaking into the top 50 and giving us another Q1 win. 4/6 of their remaining games are against top 55 teams in NET so they will have their opportunities.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 14
New Old
12 12 Butler
15 15 Seton Hall
19 19 Creighton
20 20 Marquette
22 22 Villanova
44 44 Xavier
55 54 Georgetown
63 62 Providence
67 67 DePaul
68 68 St. John's
2/14 Team Sheets
MU is on page 20
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2014,%202020.pdf
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MU is back up to #18 this morning...where they were before the Nova game. Creighton #14, Hall #15, MU #18. Very strange to me that Hall can lose at PC and not move a single spot...I realize it wasn't that bad of a margin of victory but still..As an Example of how weird the NET is...Auburn lost in OT @ Missouri yesterday and their NET goes from 13 all the way down to #24. That's a massive drop.
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 15
New Old
14 19 Creighton
15 15 Seton Hall
18 20 Marquette
19 12 Butler
21 22 Villanova
41 44 Xavier
46 55 Georgetown
62 63 Providence
67 68 St. John's
71 67 DePaul
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 15
New Old
14 19 Creighton
15 15 Seton Hall
18 20 Marquette
19 12 Butler
21 22 Villanova
41 44 Xavier
46 55 Georgetown
62 63 Providence
67 68 St. John's
71 67 DePaul
jumped up 2 maybe because of Georgetown winning and providence winning?
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jumped up 2 maybe because of Georgetown winning and providence winning?
Actually, it might have more to do with attrition then anything else..what I mean is...look at Auburn..they were at #13 prior to yesterday's game..lost @ Missouri and dropped all the way down to #24. Another example is Butler..they were #12 prior to yesterday and lost to GT at home..dropped to #19...so both of them dropped below MU. Those two things(plus other things of course), could have lead to their increase more than anything else.
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Actually, it might have more to do with attrition then anything else..what I mean is...look at Auburn..they were at #13 prior to yesterday's game..lost @ Missouri and dropped all the way down to #24. Another example is Butler..they were #12 prior to yesterday and lost to GT at home..dropped to #19...so both of them dropped below MU. Those two things(plus other things of course), could have lead to their increase more than anything else.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/oxLpLI0eNf3Wg/giphy.webp)
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2/15 Team Sheets
MU is on page 18
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2015,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
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Teams with 10 or more Q1+Q2 wins with zero Q3/Q4 losses and a top-25 NET and top-25 SOS ranking:
Kansas
Colorado
Creighton
Seton Hall
Marquette
Villanova
Oregon
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 15
New Old
14 19 Creighton
15 15 Seton Hall
18 20 Marquette
19 12 Butler
21 22 Villanova
41 44 Xavier
46 55 Georgetown
62 63 Providence
67 68 St. John's
71 67 DePaul
9-9-9: Let me just say that I appreciate you posting this every day. It's very useful and interesting, and I always look forward to seeing where we and the rest of the Big East teams stand. Thanks.
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9-9-9: Let me just say that I appreciate you posting this every day. It's very useful and interesting, and I always look forward to seeing where we and the rest of the Big East teams stand. Thanks.
Was actually going to post the same thing. Thanks, it is much appreciated.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 16
New Old
13 14 Creighton
14 15 Seton Hall
16 21 Villanova
19 18 Marquette
20 19 Butler
39 41 Xavier
43 46 Georgetown
59 62 Providence
66 67 St. John's
2/16 Team Sheets
MU is on page 19
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2016,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
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Xavier moves up to a Q1A win on the road. Nova is one off of being a Q1A home win. Georgetown just outside road Q1A status and Purdue just outside Q1 status. Currently have 1 Q1A win, 5 Q1 total, and 11 Q1+2 wins.
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Big East Poll Rankings week of February 17
AP
12.Nova
15. Creighton
16.The Hall
19. MU
21.Butler
Coaches
13.Nova
14. The Hall
15. Creighton
19. MU
23. Butler
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of February 17
New Old
12 13 Creighton
14 14 Seton Hall
16 16 Villanova
19 19 Marquette
20 20 Butler
39 39 Xavier
46 43 Georgetown
58 59 Providence
67 66 St. John's
69 69 DePaul
2/17 Team Sheets
MU is on page 19
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2017,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
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After the Creighton loss, MU moves from 19 to 23 in the NCAA Net Rankings.
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Big East Net Rankings as of Games of February 18
New Old
11 12 Creighton
15 16 Villanova
16 14 Seton Hall
19 20 Butler
23 19 Marquette
39 39 Xavier
45 46 Georgetown
58 58 Providence
66 67 St. John's
2/18 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2018,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 19
New Old
11 11 Creighton
13 15 Villanova
16 16 Seton Hall
18 19 Butler
23 23 Marquette
40 39 Xavier
51 58 Providence
54 45 Georgetown
65 66 St. John's
74 70 DePaul
2/19 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2019,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 20
New Old
11 11 Creighton
14 13 Villanova
16 16 Seton Hall
17 18 Butler
23 23 Marquette
41 40 Xavier
51 51 Providence
53 54 Georgetown
65 65 St. John's
74 74 DePaul
2/21 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2020,%202020.pdf
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Big East remains the only conference with no league games in Q3 or Q4.
Need to root (a little bit) for DePaul and GTown in order to maintain that, though.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 3
New Old
11 11 Creighton
14 14 Villanova
16 16 Seton Hall
17 17 Butler
23 23 Marquette
40 41 Xavier
50 51 Providence
52 53 Georgetown
64 65 St. John's
74 74 DePaul
2/21 Team sheets
MU is on page 23
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 22
New Old
10 14 Villanova
11 11 Creighton
17 16 Seton Hall
20 17 Butler
26 23 Marquette
44 40 Xavier
46 50 Providence
55 52 Georgetown
68 64 St. John's
72 74 DePaul
2/22 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2022,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 23
New Old
9 11 Creighton Big East
11 10 Villanova
17 17 Seton Hall
23 20 Butler
26 26 Marquette
44 44 Xavier
48 46 Providence
59 55 Georgetown
69 68 St. John's
72 72 DePaul
2/23 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
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Big East Poll Rankings February 24
AP
10. Creighton
12. Nova
13. The Hall
Others receiving votes- Butler , MU
Coaches
11. Creighton
12. Nova
13. The Hall
Others receiving votes Butler , MU
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Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 24
New Old
9 9 Creighton
12 11 Villanova
16 17 Seton Hall
23 23 Butler
26 26 Marquette
43 44 Xavier
48 48 Providence
58 59 Georgetown
70 69 St. John's
73 72 DePaul
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2/24 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2024,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 25
New Old
8 9 Creighton
13 12 Villanova
15 16 Seton Hall
23 23 Butler
26 26 Marquette
42 43 Xavier
48 48 Providence
59 58 Georgetown
71 70 St. John's
74 73 DePaul
2/25 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2025,%202020.pdf
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Talked about a flawed Metric...Duke loses last night to an 11-15 Wake Forest team on the road...and don't move a spot in the NET. How exactly does that happen??
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Talked about a flawed Metric...Duke loses last night to an 11-15 Wake Forest team on the road...and don't move a spot in the NET. How exactly does that happen??
Remember, we don't know the gap between spots. Duke is still 6th but their lead over 7th likely shrunk.
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Remember, we don't know the gap between spots. Duke is still 6th but their lead over 7th likely shrunk.
Yes but still, I mean we have seen teams make 10+ spot jumps with one win..we have seen teams slide a handful of spots for losses and those have been against respectable teams. To lose @ Wake Forest and not move a spot?? C'mon!
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Does anyone know whether for NET calculations an OT is different than a regulation loss? For example, the formula could count all losses in OT as a "one point" loss even if eventually losing by 10.
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Yes but still, I mean we have seen teams make 10+ spot jumps with one win..we have seen teams slide a handful of spots for losses and those have been against respectable teams. To lose @ Wake Forest and not move a spot?? C'mon!
Statistically speaking, this makes total sense. A bellcurve would breakdown like this:
Group 1
Teams 1 to 8
Group 2
Teams 9 to 56
Group 3
Teams 57 to 176
Group 4
Teams 177 to 297
Group 5
Teams 298 to 345
Group 6
Teams 346 to 353
The more teams in a group, the more data points bunched closely together. Groups 3 and 4 would experience the most volatility in Net rankings when Net raw score changes. Groups 1 and 6 would have the least volatility.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 26
New Old
8 8 Creighton
12 13 Villanova
15 15 Seton Hall
23 23 Butler
25 26 Marquette
41 42 Xavier
48 48 Providence
58 59 Georgetown
72 71 St. John's
75 74 DePaul
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2/26 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2026,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 27
New Old
8 8 Creighton
12 12 Villanova
15 15 Seton Hall
21 23 Butler
24 25 Marquette
42 41 Xavier
50 48 Providence
58 58 Georgetown
73 72 St. John's
75 75 DePaul
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Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11
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Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11
NCAA punishment for Sean Miller's transgressions
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NCAA punishment for Sean Miller's transgressions
I heard the next shoe will drop in the summer of 2019
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Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11
They blow out mediocre but not bad competition. Makes their efficiency numbers look good.
Arizona has played 0 sub-300 NET teams. They have also only played 4 teams whose NET is between 165 and 300:
#298 Long Beach State (won by 37)
#284 San Jose State (won by 48)
#219 Omaha (won by 50)
#212 Northern Arizona (won by 39)
Playing teams in that range, you would expect Arizona to win by 20-30 points, when they win by 37-50, NET rewards them significantly. Now it's not actually about margin of victory because NET caps that at 10, but typically the larger the margin of victory, the better your efficiency numbers which there is currently no cap on. This is why you see Laval Jordan fouling down 20, Wojo calling a timeout with 15 seconds left in a blowout, Partick Ewing calling for a last second three, etc. Every point theoretically matters.
Good news is, it seems like the selection committee is able to see through inflated NETs. Last year, NC State was left out of the tournament despite at top 35 NET. This year, Arizona is being projected in the 6/7 seed range despite an NET that would suggest a 3 seed.
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Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11
Big winning margins, small losing margins. Their average margin of victory in Q4 games is insane, but they also have numerous top-100 blowouts by 20+. Their losses are also mostly close, with 7/9 by single digits.
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2/27 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 24
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2027,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 28
New Old
8 8 Creighton
12 12 Villanova
15 15 Seton Hall
21 21 Butler
24 24 Marquette
42 42 Xavier
50 50 Providence
58 58 Georgetown
72 73 St. John's
75 75 DePaul
2/28 Team Sheets
MU is on page 24
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2028,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
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Marquette moved from 24 in NCAA Net Rankings, to 25 NCAA Net Rankings today.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of February 29
New Old
8 8 Creighton
13 15 Seton Hall
16 12 Villanova
19 21 Butler
25 24 Marquette
44 50 Providence
45 42 Xavier
59 58 Georgetown
74 72 St. John's
82 75 DePaul
2/29 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
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The fact that Wisconsin is still behind Marquette shows me everything that I need to know about how the NET is a crap ranking. Despite the fact that I hate the Badgers there is no denying there resume is night and day difference. They have 7 sargin top 25 wins the most in the country. Kansas has 5 and the next few teams have 4. They have 3 tops 25 road wins. And yet they are still at 27?
I am only using them as comparison because its beyond obvious who the higher seed should be yet looking at NET you wouldn't be able to tell.
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SJU running Creighton off the floor in Queens.
Yikes.
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The fact that Wisconsin is still behind Marquette shows me everything that I need to know about how the NET is a crap ranking. Despite the fact that I hate the Badgers there is no denying there resume is night and day difference. They have 7 sargin top 25 wins the most in the country. Kansas has 5 and the next few teams have 4. They have 3 tops 25 road wins. And yet they are still at 27?
I am only using them as comparison because its beyond obvious who the higher seed should be yet looking at NET you wouldn't be able to tell.
Wisconsin has great wins, but they also have 4 losses to teams below Marquette’s worst loss, which is Providence (44).
And 3 of those Richmond (48), NC St (54), and New Mexico (148 :o) were not even road games, but on neutral floors
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SJU running Creighton off the floor in Queens.
Yikes.
SJU wins 91-71 shooting 14-22 from the 3 point line while the Bluejays shot a horrific 4-27. Real role reversal today.
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SJU wins 91-71 shooting 14-22 from the 3 point line while the Bluejays shot a horrific 4-27. Real role reversal today.
Ceilings and floors.
SJU played near their ceiling, Creighton played near their floor. This is what makes college basketball great, anyone can beat anyone on any given night.
It also means that sometimes a loss doesn't mean the loser played poorly. Sometimes it means the other team played out of their mind.
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Ceilings and floors.
SJU played near their ceiling, Creighton played near their floor. This is what makes college basketball great, anyone can beat anyone on any given night.
It also means that sometimes a loss doesn't mean the loser played poorly. Sometimes it means the other team played out of their mind.
Feels like our game at Carnesecca last year. A team that shot 35% from 3 on the year shot 46% but I remember they missed like their last 3-4 3PA when they were up big cause they were well over 50% all game. Marquette played bad but they were unconscious
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Big East D1 NET rankings as of games of March 1
New Old
12 13 Seton Hall
13 8 Creighton
17 16 Villanova
20 19 Butler
25 25 Marquette
43 45 Xavier
44 44 Providence
60 59 Georgetown
64 74 St. John's
81 82 DePaul
3/1 Team Sheets
MU is on page 25
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Big East Poll rankings as of March 2
AP
8. The Hall
11. Creighton
14. Nova
Others receiving votes- Butler, Cooley & Company, MU
Coaches
7. The Hall
12. Nova
14. Creighton
25. Butler
Others receiving votes -MU, Cooley & Company
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 2
New Old
12 12 Seton Hall Big East
13 13 Creighton
17 17 Villanova
20 20 Butler
25 25 Marquette
43 43 Xavier
44 44 Providence
60 60 Georgetown
64 64 St. John's
81 81 DePaul
3/2 Team sheets
MU is on page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%202,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 3
New Old
12 12 Seton Hall
13 13 Creighton
14 17 Villanova
20 20 Butler
26 25 Marquette
41 43 Xavier
44 44 Providence
62 60 Georgetown
66 64 St. John's
81 81 DePaul
3/3 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%203,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
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Truly amazing that Marquette can lose to an awful DePaul team and drop only one spot in the NET.
Can they lose their next 2 to SJU and DePaul and still be in the top 35 of the NET? What a worthless tool if that is the case.
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I'm more surprised DePaul didn't move at all.
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Truly amazing that Marquette can lose to an awful DePaul team and drop only one spot in the NET.
Can they lose their next 2 to SJU and DePaul and still be in the top 35 of the NET? What a worthless tool if that is the case.
Interestingly, MU would be at #27 under the old RPI per Warren Nolan’s website (he still crunches it out for comparative purposes with the NET). All more of a comment on the weakness of the field this year?
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Interestingly, MU would be at #27 under the old RPI per Warren Nolan’s website (he still crunches it out for comparative purposes with the NET). All more of a comment on the weakness of the field this year?
Its truly amazing having watched this collapse first hand, but purely resume-wise, MU is still likely a 7 seed even with 2 more losses in a row. Now, maybe the committee would ding them a line or two in that scenario having lost 7 of 8 (cant blame them!), but purely from a resume standpoint, there is an ocean between MU and the last 4 in.
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Its truly amazing having watched this collapse first hand, but purely resume-wise, MU is still likely a 7 seed even with 2 more losses in a row. Now, maybe the committee would ding them a line or two in that scenario having lost 7 of 8 (cant blame them!), but purely from a resume standpoint, there is an ocean between MU and the last 4 in.
Not sure if I'd go as far as you are, but Lucas Harkins who is pretty good at this echoes your thoughts
https://twitter.com/hardwiredsports/status/1235046254763061248?s=19
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To me it kinda seems like there isn't a huge difference between team #25 and #75, and aside from the top 5 or so, anyone can beat anyone this year. Our resume still looks pretty good in comparison to those behind us. I don't know if it's necessarily the weakness of the field, I think it's more that there isn't that big of a difference between the 6-11 seeds and the NIT teams.
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To me it kinda seems like there isn't a huge difference between team #25 and #75, and aside from the top 5 or so, anyone can beat anyone this year. Our resume still looks pretty good in comparison to those behind us. I don't know if it's necessarily the weakness of the field, I think it's more that there isn't that big of a difference between the 6-11 seeds and the NIT teams.
On the eye test, sure.
But MU is 5-9 in Q1, 6-2 in Q2, Q3 2-0 and Q4 5-0, with a NET of 26. That is 11 Q1 and Q2 wins, and zero losses out Q1 and Q2 with only 7 games in that category.
Compare that to the last 4 at large teams in per bracket matrix:
Stanford Q1: 5-5; Q2: 2-3; Q3: 6-1; Q4: 7-0; NET 25
Cinci Q1: 2-6; Q2: 7-0; Q3: 7-4; Q4: 3-0; NET 51
UCLA Q1: 6-6, Q2: 3-3; Q3: 4-1; Q4: 5-1; NET 75
Utah State Q1: 2-4; Q2: 2-2: Q3: 7-2; Q4: 10-0; NET: 38
Its frankly not close.
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I agree there's a big difference in resumes. What I meant is that if the teams played each other it would all be pretty close, more of a "anybody can beat anybody". We were only favored by 4 against #81 DePaul. Look at point spreads for tonight...
#11 Florida State
#59 Notre Dame +1.5
#48 Virginia
#108 Miami +2
#3 Dayton
#52 Rhode Island +4
#45 Minnesota
#54 Indiana -3.5
#34 Florida
#84 Georgia +2.5
#31 LSU
#47 Arkansas -3.0
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I agree there's a big difference in resumes. What I meant is that if the teams played each other it would all be pretty close, more of a "anybody can beat anybody". We were only favored by 4 against #81 DePaul. Look at point spreads for tonight...
#11 Florida State
#59 Notre Dame +1.5
#48 Virginia
#108 Miami +2
#3 Dayton
#52 Rhode Island +4
#45 Minnesota
#54 Indiana -3.5
#34 Florida
#84 Georgia +2.5
#31 LSU
#47 Arkansas -3.0
Yah, I get/got what you were sayingm and you're absolutely right.
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Truly amazing that Marquette can lose to an awful DePaul team and drop only one spot in the NET.
Can they lose their next 2 to SJU and DePaul and still be in the top 35 of the NET? What a worthless tool if that is the case.
Honestly, it's not that surprising. Its a Q2A loss, so not a loss that really hurts your resume. Plus we are at the end of the season, it's one data point out of 29. The further you go in the season, the harder it is to move up or down because each game impacts the overall score less. We earned our high rankings early.
What this metric doesn't cover is the fact that DePaul was missing their best player and the overall trend to end the season. We've been playing our worst basketball of the season in 2 of the past 4 games.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 4
New Old
12 13 Creighton
13 14 Villanova
14 12 Seton Hall
17 20 Butler
26 26 Marquette
40 44 Providence
42 41 Xavier
62 62 Georgetown
70 66 St. John's
83 81 DePaul
3/4 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%204,%202020.pdf
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 4
New Old
12 13 Creighton
13 14 Villanova
14 12 Seton Hall
17 20 Butler
26 26 Marquette
40 44 Providence
42 41 Xavier
62 62 Georgetown
70 66 St. John's
83 81 DePaul
3/4 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%204,%202020.pdf
Wait, I thought we were out of the tournament, fired our coach, and are in full-blown national search mode?
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 5
New Old
12 12 Creighton
13 13 Villanova
14 14 Seton Hall
17 17 Butler
25 26 Marquette
40 40 Providence
42 42 Xavier
65 62 Georgetown
69 70 St. John's
83 83 DePaul
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The NET rating determines the National Champion, correct?
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I lived in Minnesota in 1996, and was in a bar on Selection Sunday. The Gophers finished the season 18-12, and won their last 3 Big Ten games to finish the conference at 10-8.
They missed the tournament.
The level of bitching was high with fans sighting all the usual metrics at the time . . . SOS was good, above .500 in the Big 10, a few victories against ranked opponents, etc. All the statistical arguments were valid, but Minnesota did not pass the "eye test."
They were an average team that lost in the 2nd round of the NIT.
It is painful to admit, but absent a victory at St. Johns and semi-final run in the BET, Marquette does not pass the eye test.
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It is painful to admit, but absent a victory at St. Johns and semi-final run in the BET, Marquette does not pass the eye test.
How much have you watched the teams below us? We can lose our next 2 games and we're still in.
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The NET rating determines the National Champion, correct?
No, but it has a hand in determining who gets to play for it.
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Marquette is 25th in the NET and 29th in KenPom. They're ranked higher in KenPom than literally every team in the SEC. If Marquette doesn't deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament then just let the P6 conference tournament winners, minus the SEC winner, plus 3 at large teams battle out an 8 team Tournament.
Stop being dumb.
PS, since I apparently hurt one of the dentists' feelings in a different thread, if being called out as being dumb hurts your feelings, there's a simple solution. Either educate yourself and have a reasonable discussion or don't post your irrational thoughts. Or accept that when you post something stupid (Bobby Hurley should be hired to replace Wojo...when he's exactly what people are crying about Wojo for - sub .500 conference record in his 5 years in the killer Pac12, no Tourney wins) you'll be called out.
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It is painful to admit, but absent a victory at St. Johns and semi-final run in the BET, Marquette does not pass the eye test.
Your 24-year-old story has no bearing on today's selection process. Your assertion that Marquette might miss the NCAA tournament does not pass the eye test.
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It is painful to admit, but absent a victory at St. Johns and semi-final run in the BET, Marquette does not pass the eye test.
Have your eyes tested any other teams below, say, the top 30 seeds? My guess is not, based on your rather clueless assertion.
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I lived in Minnesota in 1996, and was in a bar on Selection Sunday. The Gophers finished the season 18-12, and won their last 3 Big Ten games to finish the conference at 10-8.
They missed the tournament.
The level of bitching was high with fans sighting all the usual metrics at the time . . . SOS was good, above .500 in the Big 10, a few victories against ranked opponents, etc. All the statistical arguments were valid, but Minnesota did not pass the "eye test."
They were an average team that lost in the 2nd round of the NIT.
It is painful to admit, but absent a victory at St. Johns and semi-final run in the BET, Marquette does not pass the eye test.
In 1996, Minnesota had an RPI of 46. All but four of their wins were outside of the top 50. Only one was top 25.
MU 2020 has a better resume than Minnesota 1996.
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3/5 NET Nitty Gritty. Team sheets not posted yet
MU is on line 25
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down to an 8 seed on Bracket Matrix
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 6
New Old
12 12 Creighton
13 13 Villanova
14 14 Seton Hall
17 17 Butler
25 25 Marquette
38 40 Providence
40 42 Xavier
64 65 Georgetown
69 69 St. John's
82 83 DePaul
3/6 NET Nitty Gritty No team sheets posted
MU is on number 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Nitty%20Gritty%20-%20March%206,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1
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Marquette being a mortal lock for the NCAA (which they are) and Wojo overseeing another epic late season collapse are not mutually incompatible. The former doesn't wash away the latter.
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Marquette is 25th in the NET and 29th in KenPom. They're ranked higher in KenPom than literally every team in the SEC. If Marquette doesn't deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament then just let the P6 conference tournament winners, minus the SEC winner, plus 3 at large teams battle out an 8 team Tournament.
Stop being dumb.
PS, since I apparently hurt one of the dentists' feelings in a different thread, if being called out as being dumb hurts your feelings, there's a simple solution. Either educate yourself and have a reasonable discussion or don't post your irrational thoughts. Or accept that when you post something stupid (Bobby Hurley should be hired to replace Wojo...when he's exactly what people are crying about Wojo for - sub .500 conference record in his 5 years in the killer Pac12, no Tourney wins) you'll be called out.
Hmmm....Manesworld calling out others as dumb/stupid, or maybe only being below his plane of worthiness. Smells like the Sultan of South Bend.
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Hmmm....Manesworld calling out others as dumb/stupid, or maybe only being below his plane of worthiness. Smells like the Sultan of South Bend.
No. I’m chicos.
Don’t want to be called out, don’t be dumb.
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MU 26th in NCAA Net rankings this morning
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Marquette is 25th in the NET and 29th in KenPom. They're ranked higher in KenPom than literally every team in the SEC. If Marquette doesn't deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament then just let the P6 conference tournament winners, minus the SEC winner, plus 3 at large teams battle out an 8 team Tournament.
Stop being dumb.
PS, since I apparently hurt one of the dentists' feelings in a different thread, if being called out as being dumb hurts your feelings, there's a simple solution. Either educate yourself and have a reasonable discussion or don't post your irrational thoughts. Or accept that when you post something stupid (Bobby Hurley should be hired to replace Wojo...when he's exactly what people are crying about Wojo for - sub .500 conference record in his 5 years in the killer Pac12, no Tourney wins) you'll be called out.
MU definitely deserves to be in the tournament based on overall resume. But I'd be shocked if we don't get blown out in the first round by a team below us in NET at this point.
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MU 26th in NCAA Net rankings this morning
We’ve been falling off a cliff last three weeks, but I don’t think it’s barely moved the needle on this metric. Deeply flawed!!
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MU definitely deserves to be in the tournament based on overall resume. But I'd be shocked if we don't get blown out in the first round by a team below us in NET at this point.
I would be shocked by a first round NCAA blowout (loss) given MUs projected seed. They've been playing poorly, but I still think almost every BE team is better than most teams in the 7-10 seed range - thus giving Marquette a good chance for a first round victory on a neutral floor.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 7
New Old
11 12 Creighton
13 13 Villanova
16 14 Seton Hall
18 17 Butler
26 25 Marquette
36 38 Providence
43 40 Xavier
62 64 Georgetown
66 69 St. John's
86 82 DePaul
3/7 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%207,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 7
New Old
11 12 Creighton
13 13 Villanova
16 14 Seton Hall
18 17 Butler
26 25 Marquette
36 38 Providence
43 40 Xavier
62 64 Georgetown
66 69 St. John's
86 82 DePaul
3/7 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20March%207,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%252Easpx
It is amazing that Prov's non-conf was so bad it is still only where it is after they have played like a top 15 team in the country for about a month now. If they end up in the 8/9 slot, that is a tough match-up for some No. 1 seed in the second round if Prov wins their first. Dangerous team right now.
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Big East NET Rankings as of games of March 8
New Old
11 11 Creighton
13 13 Villanova
15 16 Seton Hall
19 18 Butler
26 26 Marquette
36 36 Providence
44 43 Xavier
62 62 Georgetown
66 66 St. John's
86 86 DePaul
3/8 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
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I would be shocked by a first round NCAA blowout (loss) given MUs projected seed. They've been playing poorly, but I still think almost every BE team is better than most teams in the 7-10 seed range - thus giving Marquette a good chance for a first round victory on a neutral floor.
Of course 3 point shooting is a great equalizer, but the defense has been atrocious lately, and any team in the 7-10 range that's bigger/stronger/quicker than us (most) I would give a 75% chance of beating us, regardless of conference affiliation
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Big East Poll Rankings as of March 9
AP
7. Creighton
11. Nova
16. The Hall
24. Butler
Others Receiving Votes -Providence
Coaches
8. Nova
9. Creighton
15. The Hall
21. Butler
Others Receiving Votes -Providence
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of March 9
New Old
11 11 Creighton
13 13 Villanova
15 15 Seton Hall
19 19 Butler
26 26 Marquette
37 36 Providence
45 44 Xavier
62 62 Georgetown
68 66 St. John's
87 86 DePaul
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3/9 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
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Big East Net Rankings as of games of March 9
New Old
11 11 Creighton
13 13 Villanova
15 15 Seton Hall
19 19 Butler
26 26 Marquette
37 36 Providence
45 44 Xavier
62 62 Georgetown
68 66 St. John's
87 86 DePaul
The fact that MU is 26th and Providence is 37th shows how bad a metric this is.
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The fact that MU is 26th and Providence is 37th shows how bad a metric this is.
They are cleary playing better over the last 18 games. Before.that, they were horrible. 2-3 in Q3 games
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The fact that MU is 26th and Providence is 37th shows how bad a metric this is.
Every game matters. Its not a metric designed to rank teams as they stand today. Its a metric built to measure the overall body of work of a team over the course of the entire season.
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The fact that MU is 26th and Providence is 37th shows how bad a metric this is.
It's not the end all, be all. Look where the 2 are currently protected in the bracket
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The fact that MU is 26th and Providence is 37th shows how bad a metric this is.
Agree. When it didn’t matter much, they sucked and we were good. Now that it matters most, they’re good and we suck. If you count November and December as much as February and March the numbers say we’re better. Of course they, we and everybody else knows that’s ridiculous.
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Agree. When it didn’t matter much, they sucked and we were good. Now that it matters most, they’re good and we suck. If you count November and December as much as February and March the numbers say we’re better. Of course they, we and everybody else knows that’s ridiculous.
Everything matters equally up until the tournaments start.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 10
New Old
11 11 Creighton
13 13 Villanova
15 15 Seton Hall
19 19 Butler
26 26 Marquette
37 37 Providence
45 45 Xavier
62 62 Georgetown
67 68 St. John's
88 87 DePaul
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Everything matters equally up until the tournaments start.
I basically agree that is how the NCAA should do it. Tournament should be a reward for the season's body of work. I would much rather play us than Providence, though. Otherwise, the rankings make sense.
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Everything matters equally up until the tournaments start.
To the committee, yes. In reality, no.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 11
New Old
11 11 Creighton
13 13 Villanova
15 15 Seton Hall
19 19 Butler
26 26 Marquette
37 37 Providence
47 45 Xavier
62 67 St. John's
65 62 Georgetown
86 88 DePaul
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4 in the top 20 and all in the top 100. Great conference and happy to be in it.
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Big East NET rankings as of games of March 11
New Old
11 11 Creighton
13 13 Villanova
15 15 Seton Hall
19 19 Butler
26 26 Marquette
37 37 Providence
47 45 Xavier
62 67 St. John's
65 62 Georgetown
86 88 DePaul
Lunardi had Marquette as a 9 seed playing Houston in Omaha in his last Bracketology