Big East Poll,NET rankings and Team Sheets

[shoothoops]

After the Creighton loss, MU moves from 19 to 23 in the NCAA Net Rankings.

[Herman Cain]

Big East Net Rankings as of Games of February 18
New Old
11   12   Creighton   
15   16   Villanova   
16   14   Seton Hall
19   20   Butler   
23   19   Marquette   
39   39   Xavier   
45   46   Georgetown
58   58   Providence   
66   67   St. John's    
2/18 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2018,%202020.pdf

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 19
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
13   15   Villanova   
16   16   Seton Hall   
18   19   Butler   
23   23   Marquette   
40   39   Xavier   
51   58   Providence   
54   45   Georgetown   
65   66   St. John's
74   70   DePaul   
2/19 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2019,%202020.pdf

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 20
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
14   13   Villanova   
16   16   Seton Hall   
17   18   Butler   
23   23   Marquette
41   40   Xavier   
51   51   Providence   
53   54   Georgetown   
65   65   St. John's
74   74   DePaul   
2/21 Team Sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2020,%202020.pdf

[barfolomew]

Big East remains the only conference with no league games in Q3 or Q4.
Need to root (a little bit) for DePaul and GTown in order to maintain that, though.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 3
New Old
11   11   Creighton   
14   14   Villanova   
16   16   Seton Hall   
17   17   Butler   
23   23   Marquette
40   41   Xavier   
50   51   Providence   
52   53   Georgetown   
64   65   St. John's
74   74   DePaul
2/21 Team sheets
MU is on page 23
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2021,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252Fsolutions%252Frpi%252FSitePages%252FHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 22
New Old
10   14   Villanova   
11   11   Creighton   
17   16   Seton Hall
20   17   Butler   
26   23   Marquette   
44   40   Xavier   
46   50   Providence   
55   52   Georgetown   
68   64   St. John's
72   74   DePaul
2/22 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2022,%202020.pdf

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 23
New Old
9   11   Creighton   Big East   
11   10   Villanova   
17   17   Seton Hall   
23   20   Butler
26   26   Marquette   
44   44   Xavier   
48   46   Providence   
59   55   Georgetown   
69   68   St. John's
72   72   DePaul
2/23 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2023,%202020.pdf?Mobile=1&Source=%2Fsolutions%2Frpi%2F%5Flayouts%2F15%2Fmobile%2Fmblwikia%2Easpx%3FUrl%3D%252fsolutions%252frpi%252fSitePages%252fHome%2Easpx%26wdFCCState%3D1

[Herman Cain]

Big East Poll Rankings February 24
AP
10. Creighton
12. Nova
13. The Hall
Others receiving votes- Butler , MU
Coaches
11. Creighton
12. Nova
13. The Hall
Others receiving votes Butler , MU

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of Games of February 24
New Old
9   9   Creighton   
12   11   Villanova   
16   17   Seton Hall   
23   23   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
43   44   Xavier   
48   48   Providence   
58   59   Georgetown   
70   69   St. John's
73   72   DePaul   

[Herman Cain]

2/24 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2024,%202020.pdf

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of February 25
New Old
8   9   Creighton   
13   12   Villanova   
15   16   Seton Hall   
23   23   Butler   
26   26   Marquette   
42   43   Xavier   
48   48   Providence   
59   58   Georgetown   
71   70   St. John's
74   73   DePaul   
2/25 Team Sheets
MU is on page 26
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2025,%202020.pdf

[muguru]

Talked about a flawed Metric...Duke loses last night to an 11-15 Wake Forest team on the road...and don't move a spot in the NET. How exactly does that happen??

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Talked about a flawed Metric...Duke loses last night to an 11-15 Wake Forest team on the road...and don't move a spot in the NET. How exactly does that happen??

Remember, we don't know the gap between spots.  Duke is still 6th but their lead over 7th likely shrunk.

[muguru]

Remember, we don't know the gap between spots.  Duke is still 6th but their lead over 7th likely shrunk.

Yes but still, I mean we have seen teams make 10+ spot jumps with one win..we have seen teams slide a handful of spots for losses and those have been against respectable teams. To lose @ Wake Forest and not move a spot?? C'mon!

[LloydsLegs]

Does anyone know whether for NET calculations an OT is different than a regulation loss?  For example, the formula could count all losses in OT as a "one point" loss even if eventually losing by 10.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Yes but still, I mean we have seen teams make 10+ spot jumps with one win..we have seen teams slide a handful of spots for losses and those have been against respectable teams. To lose @ Wake Forest and not move a spot?? C'mon!

Statistically speaking, this makes total sense.  A bellcurve would breakdown like this:

Group 1
Teams 1 to 8

Group 2
Teams 9 to 56

Group 3
Teams 57 to 176

Group 4
Teams 177 to 297

Group 5
Teams 298 to 345

Group 6
Teams 346 to 353

The more teams in a group, the more data points bunched closely together.  Groups 3 and 4 would experience the most volatility in Net rankings when Net raw score changes. Groups 1 and 6 would have the least volatility.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 26
New Old
8   8   Creighton   
12   13   Villanova   
15   15   Seton Hall   
23   23   Butler   
25   26   Marquette   
41   42   Xavier   
48   48   Providence   
58   59   Georgetown   
72   71   St. John's
75   74   DePaul

[Herman Cain]

2/26 Team Sheets
MU is on Page 25
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/NET%20Team%20Sheets%20-%20Feb%2026,%202020.pdf

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of February 27
New Old
8   8   Creighton   
12   12   Villanova   
15   15   Seton Hall   
21   23   Butler   
24   25   Marquette   
42   41   Xavier   
50   48   Providence   
58   58   Georgetown   
73   72   St. John's
75   75   DePaul

[Aircraftcarrier]

Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11

[jesmu84]

Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11

NCAA punishment for Sean Miller's transgressions

[Uncle Rico]

NCAA punishment for Sean Miller's transgressions

I heard the next shoe will drop in the summer of 2019

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11

They blow out mediocre but not bad competition.  Makes their efficiency numbers look good.

Arizona has played 0 sub-300 NET teams. They have also only played 4 teams whose NET is between 165 and 300:

#298 Long Beach State (won by 37)
#284 San Jose State (won by 48)
#219 Omaha (won by 50)
#212 Northern Arizona (won by 39)

Playing teams in that range, you would expect Arizona to win by 20-30 points, when they win by 37-50, NET rewards them significantly. Now it's not actually about margin of victory because NET caps that at 10, but typically the larger the margin of victory, the better your efficiency numbers which there is currently no cap on. This is why you see Laval Jordan fouling down 20, Wojo calling a timeout with 15 seconds left in a blowout, Partick Ewing calling for a last second three, etc. Every point theoretically matters.

Good news is, it seems like the selection committee is able to see through inflated NETs. Last year, NC State was left out of the tournament despite at top 35 NET. This year, Arizona is being projected in the 6/7 seed range despite an NET that would suggest a 3 seed.

[brewcity77]

Can someone explain to me how Arizona NET ranking is so high at No.11

Big winning margins, small losing margins. Their average margin of victory in Q4 games is insane, but they also have numerous top-100 blowouts by 20+. Their losses are also mostly close, with 7/9 by single digits.