I know that baseball is huge in S. Korea and I can understand trying to maximize that, especially with the worlds most popular player that also happens to be from that part of the world, but the timing is just weird. Having a two game series, then go back to spring training for a week before every other teams starts. Not to mention the fact that you know you're only going to move the needle for the die-hards in America because for the general sports fan March Madness gets 1st, 2nd and 3rd priority for the next 5 days.
I know the feasibility is always going to be tough with the time differences, but this seems especially poorly planned, and poorly advertised.
Won't make a difference in the end though, Dodgers will win 120 games and then lose in the Divisional.
What will be greater: Dodger wins or White Sox loses?
Dodgers well on the way to 162-0.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 20, 2024, 09:42:06 AM
I know the feasibility is always going to be tough with the time differences, but this seems especially poorly planned, and poorly advertised.
Agreed. If the decision was made that they absolutely had to get regular season games played in Korea, they should have had two interleague teams go over there and play those three games right before the ASB or something. Sure its a bit of a competitive disadvantage, but no worse then having to go play two games in Asia before your pitchers are stretched out.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 20, 2024, 02:04:09 PM
Agreed. If the decision was made that they absolutely had to get regular season games played in Korea, they should have had two interleague teams go over there and play those three games right before the ASB or something. Sure its a bit of a competitive disadvantage, but no worse then having to go play two games in Asia before your pitchers are stretched out.
First, their pitchers are as stretched out as any team's pitchers will be on opening day. They reported 7 days early and this game is 7 days before everyone else opens up.
Second, this was for the benefit of Asia and increasing MLB's coffers. It accomplishes both of those goals. And it was imperative that both teams had multiple Asian players. I am sure that MLB considers this series a great success.
Finally, it would be a terrible idea to do this during the season, It would be a big disadvantage for those 2 teams that had to do the extra travelling.
uhhhhh that Ohtani bombshell is a bit concerning. Definitely a non-zero chance the interpreter is a fall guy.
Paying a friend's gambling debt is not exactly a "massive theft"
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39768770/dodgers-shohei-ohtani-interpreter-fired-theft
Yeah, this Ohtani story has a ton of red flags around it and none of them look good for Ohtani.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2024, 06:36:31 PM
Yeah, this Ohtani story has a ton of red flags around it and none of them look good for Ohtani.
I just read it. That is, ahem, problematic. Won't be the last one, though.
What I find hard to believe is this news just got discovered? As they played earlier today in Seoul, and the interpreter is in the dugout.
It is just a matter of time until a massive gambling story happens in sports (something bigger than Temple as an example). This may be it.
Ohtani, I mean Ippei, has been hanging around Bruno Mars too much.
Surprised it didn't get released today or tomorrow with the tournament going on for cover.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2024, 05:58:53 AM
Surprised it didn't get released today or tomorrow with the tournament going on for cover.
Royal family already has that time slot reserved.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 21, 2024, 06:02:11 AM
Royal family already has that time slot reserved.
ha, a good chuckle
Free Pete Rose or kickout Ohtani
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 21, 2024, 06:43:35 AM
Free Pete Rose or kickout Ohtani
Pete bet on baseball
From the clubhouse phone.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2024, 07:50:21 AM
From the clubhouse phone.
Cheated on his wives, had a child out of wedlock, had a relationship with a minor, cheated on his taxes and lied for decades about betting on baseball. Interesting people want him back in baseball
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 21, 2024, 07:56:20 AM
Cheated on his wives, had a child out of wedlock, had a relationship with a minor, cheated on his taxes and lied for decades about betting on baseball. Interesting people want him back in baseball
Sounds perfect for congress
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2024, 07:50:21 AM
From the clubhouse phone.
On games in which he played.
Hoping Ohtani doesn't have MU going far since his track record doesn't seem the best.
Maybe Ohtani didn'tactually have elbow problems. Maybe MLB wanted him out of sight for a while, a la Jordan 'retiring', or Kolek 'straining an oblique.'
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 21, 2024, 07:56:20 AM
Cheated on his wives, had a child out of wedlock, had a relationship with a minor, cheated on his taxes and lied for decades about betting on baseball. Interesting people want him back in baseball
While having a relationship with a minor is unforgivable and so is betting on baseball if you're a pro player, there are countless athletes, many in various Halls of Fame, who've cheated on their wives and had children out of wedlock. But hey, the internet is full of people who enjoy getting up on a soapbox. Have you ever tried Reddit? A self-righteous post like this on there will actually win you fake internet points!
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 21, 2024, 09:46:11 AM
While having a relationship with a minor is unforgivable and so is betting on baseball if you're a pro player, there are countless athletes, many in various Halls of Fame, who've cheated on their wives and had children out of wedlock. But hey, the internet is full of people who enjoy getting up on a soapbox. Have you ever tried Reddit? A self-righteous post like this on there will actually win you fake internet points!
This is the weirdest defense of Pete Rose I've ever seen.
"Sure, Pete Rose is scum, but other people are slightly less scummy, and you're the real scum for pointing out that he's scum."
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 21, 2024, 09:46:11 AM
While having a relationship with a minor is unforgivable and so is betting on baseball if you're a pro player, there are countless athletes, many in various Halls of Fame, who've cheated on their wives and had children out of wedlock. But hey, the internet is full of people who enjoy getting up on a soapbox. Have you ever tried Reddit? A self-righteous post like this on there will actually win you fake internet points!
Soapbox is pointing out Pete Rose is scummy? And my self-righteousness has no end but so does my hypocrisy. That's the point.
Of course the Hall of Fame is full of really bad people. Pete Rose should be in that Hall of Fame.
Edit: There's a larger point here to be discussed about sports fandom and who we defend as individuals, too, but that's another thread
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 21, 2024, 09:46:11 AM
While having a relationship with a minor is unforgivable and so is betting on baseball if you're a pro player, there are countless athletes, many in various Halls of Fame, who've cheated on their wives and had children out of wedlock. But hey, the internet is full of people who enjoy getting up on a soapbox. Have you ever tried Reddit? A self-righteous post like this on there will actually win you fake internet points!
Yeah butt, Reako iz an evangelican, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2024, 10:17:24 AM
Yeah butt, Reako iz an evangelican, aina?
That's why I'm fine with what Pete did and would happily vote for him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 21, 2024, 07:56:20 AM
Cheated on his wives, had a child out of wedlock, had a relationship with a minor, cheated on his taxes and lied for decades
Trump Derangement Syndrome. Why does everything have to be about Trump?
Royce Lewis is a superstar
He's also more injury prone than Buxton
Just kill me
Best Fans in Baseball off to a roaring start
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 28, 2024, 03:57:58 PM
Royce Lewis is a superstar
He's also more injury prone than Buxton
Just kill me
They'll be lucky to get 162 games between them.
I didn't see many spring training games this year (is it just me or did Ballys televise significantly fewer than in past years?) but I didn't realize Chourio was going to be leading off. I like it. I assume Yeli will still leadoff against RHPs
Brewers on pace for 162-0.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 29, 2024, 03:13:36 PM
Brewers on pace for 162-0.
Anything's possible after defeated arch enemy Jose Quintana
I'm not a baseball expert and not a fan of either the Brewers or Mets. Hoskins' slide looked just fine to me. Clean hard baseball. I've always though the fielder needs to account for the runner coming in hard and fast to try his best to be safe.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 30, 2024, 09:13:21 AM
I'm not a baseball expert and not a fan of either the Brewers or Mets. Hoskins' slide looked just fine to me. Clean hard baseball. I've always though the fielder needs to account for the runner coming in hard and fast to try his best to be safe.
Baserunning rules have changed. And the point of the slide isn't to be safe - it is to disrupt the relay to 1st base.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 30, 2024, 09:13:21 AM
I'm not a baseball expert and not a fan of either the Brewers or Mets. Hoskins' slide looked just fine to me. Clean hard baseball. I've always though the fielder needs to account for the runner coming in hard and fast to try his best to be safe.
It was fine.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2024, 10:26:21 AM
It was fine.
Obviously, I thought so too. I understand eliminating the high spikes or slides that miss the bag. That wasn't the case in that incident.
Mets still big mad.
Didn't take long for Hoskins to become a Brewer favorite.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 30, 2024, 02:32:40 PM
Didn't take long for Hoskins to become a Brewer favorite.
Mets sending a "message" by throwing behind him and then walking him, lol.
I was underwhelmed by the hire. But I love Murphy's edge. Old school, not taking any crap. Mets tried to bait the Brewers into some nonsense and they go and win anyway.
Brewers have a chance to be fun in an incredibly infuriating sort of way. Expect plenty of blown leads from a young pitching staff. But they have some really great veteran offensive pieces and a ton of fun young guys
Brewers sweep the Mets to open the season. Going to be a lot of bad baseball but let the kids play
Maybe 4never was right on something?
Anybody park at the ballpark today?
Yes. It was an experience!
They no longer have you pay as you enter the lot. Instead there are QR codes on each lot light pole and also some signage on the way to the ball park. You need to scan the code, input your license plate number and pay via the app.
When I parked about a half hour before first pitch the app was not loading. I asked one of the parking attendants and he said the app had been down since the lots opened and not to worry about. About half way through the game I got a notification in the ballpark app that due to technical issues, no one would be charged for parking that day.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Not sure how they enforce this, do they drive around during the game and scan plates? Anyone know what the fine is if you park without paying? Will they boot your car?
IMO they should have done a test drive today instead of on opening day. And if the point is to speed up the entry and exit process they need to help users find alternate gates instead of most using the I94 gate. Turn Bluemound road into one way traffic like is done at Lambeau an hour before and after games. That entrance is typically empty.
A's playing in Sacramento from 2025-27. The key question is who will draw more per game? The River Cats or A's? What a Shytshow.
Has the new stadium been given final approval? I thought things were still up in the air with that.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 04, 2024, 10:43:39 AM
Has the new stadium been given final approval? I thought things were still up in the air with that.
Ditto.
I thought the original land for the ballpark in Las Vegas is a no go.
And there is backup plan for another location but far from settled making it questionable.
Isn't it time Rob Manfred looks for ways to force John Fisher to sell the team?
I know there's no Marge Schott/Donald Sterling racism angle here, but Fisher's incompetence is bad for the entire league.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 04, 2024, 10:43:39 AM
Has the new stadium been given final approval? I thought things were still up in the air with that.
The Trop is getting demolished this month. Plenty of steps for approvals to go in Vegas but the MLB mandated that the A's had a place to play for future scheduling by this summer. The Coliseum lease ends after this season and the A's weren't finding friendly terms in Oakland to no one's surprise.
I was so confused for a bit there and thinking "But where are the Rays going to play?!"
Here is the message I received this AM from the A's
QuoteAlongside the Sacramento Kings, majority owner of the Sacramento River Cats, the A's have announced that Sutter Health Park will host the team during the 2025-2027 MLB seasons – ahead of our move to Las Vegas in 2028.
Statement from A's Owner and Managing Partner John Fisher:
"We explored several locations for a temporary home, including the Oakland Coliseum. Even with the long-standing relationship and good intentions on all sides in the negotiations with Oakland, the conditions to achieve an agreement seemed out of reach. We understand the disappointment this news brings to our fans, as this season marks our final one in Oakland. Throughout this season, we will honor and celebrate our time in Oakland, and will share additional details soon.
We extend our appreciation to the Kings and the City of West Sacramento, and look forward to making Sutter Health Park our home until our new ballpark opens in Las Vegas."
In question is the A's media deal but I guess Sacramento preserves that $$ as the viewing markets kinda overlap.
Why not just (and finally) relegate this team to AAA and open a new spot for a big $ newcomer to start a new franchise elsewhere? I kid,... but MLB is not structured to help a small market over achiever survive and prosper.
Truth is, the brilliance of Bean has kept A's punching way over their weight for years. Connie Mack did the same with his A's in Philly, before the days of TV deals. Sadly, while in KC the A's digressed badly and functioned almost as a Yankees farm team. Under Charlie Finley they had their best window-- the last dynasty of the reserve clause, pre free agency era.
The A's storied history will have to concede/relegate and MLB die, or arrange a marriage to a $$ princess, like a poor but proud English aristocrat seeking to preserve the name/history.
......is Yelich back?
After going through the complaint against Ippei, definitely have more questions than ever for Ohtani. Not passing the sniff test.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 11, 2024, 09:11:46 PM
After going through the complaint against Ippei, definitely have more questions than ever for Ohtani. Not passing the sniff test.
This was interesting...
https://x.com/Jomboy_/status/1778565766654140630
Did they speak in code? I'm more of the belief that it wasn't bets for Ohtani at this point, but I'm still baffled how he let this get by him. Did he just not care and/or realize the magnitude of it until his people called it out to him?
Quote from: JWags85 on April 11, 2024, 09:37:37 PM
This was interesting...
https://x.com/Jomboy_/status/1778565766654140630
Did they speak in code? I'm more of the belief that it wasn't bets for Ohtani at this point, but I'm still baffled how he let this get by him. Did he just not care and/or realize the magnitude of it until his people called it out to him?
From all accounts, these two were inseparable. I forgot who wrote it (jokingly?) on Twitter, but these two are at home and Ohtani asks "what should we watch?", and Ippei would say "how about college soccer on ESPN+?".
Two things I can't get past.
1. Ippei's gambling losses make no logical sense, unless he was either pounding horrible parlays, or the vig was insane. Or, he had other financial losses (crypto/options/etc), and those numbers just got all jumbled together.
2. If I was down $40M, and my boss is the best baseball player on the planet, and I'm
already (allegedly) stealing millions from my boss, why wouldn't I use my MLB knowledge to place wagers with inside info with some other bookmaker? Like I'm already in massive trouble if I get caught, I might as well go for it.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 11, 2024, 09:59:32 PM
From all accounts, these two were inseparable. I forgot who wrote it (jokingly?) on Twitter, but these two are at home and Ohtani asks "what should we watch?", and Ippei would say "how about college soccer on ESPN+?".
Two things I can't get past.
1. Ippei's gambling losses make no logical sense, unless he was either pounding horrible parlays, or the vig was insane. Or, he had other financial losses (crypto/options/etc), and those numbers just got all jumbled together.
Coming someone who has battled with problem gambling and addiction, I actually get it. Especially when you have a seemingly unlimited bankroll. The crazy chases, insane parlays, etc... gets even more tempting and easy to fall into when you're just gonna reload anyways. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if he got smoked on crypto and other stuff as well.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 11, 2024, 09:59:32 PM
2. If I was down $40M, and my boss is the best baseball player on the planet, and I'm
already (allegedly) stealing millions from my boss, why wouldn't I use my MLB knowledge to place wagers with inside info with some other bookmaker? Like I'm already in massive trouble if I get caught, I might as well go for it.
I thought something similar, and I certainly don't mean to be stereotypical or make slanted assumptions, but I had a thought about honor and sanctity of the game in Japanese culture. Wouldn't be the first time something honor bound in that culture seemed completely incongruent with other criminal sort of activity.
But on the other hand, in the same vein as my spot above, someone with a problem like his also has a tendancy to put up really weird guardrails. Like "this (insert crazy addiction related behavior) is fine, so long as I dont to XYZ." Thinking "oh I'll get it back and then its not a big deal, but if I gambled on MLB, that could screw me and Shohei even if I replace all the money I embezzled."
Quote from: JWags85 on April 11, 2024, 10:22:21 PM
Coming someone who has battled with problem gambling and addiction, I actually get it. Especially when you have a seemingly unlimited bankroll. The crazy chases, insane parlays, etc... gets even more tempting and easy to fall into when you're just gonna reload anyways. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if he got smoked on crypto and other stuff as well.
I thought something similar, and I certainly don't mean to be stereotypical or make slanted assumptions, but I had a thought about honor and sanctity of the game in Japanese culture. Wouldn't be the first time something honor bound in that culture seemed completely incongruent with other criminal sort of activity.
But on the other hand, in the same vein as my spot above, someone with a problem like his also has a tendancy to put up really weird guardrails. Like "this (insert crazy addiction related behavior) is fine, so long as I dont to XYZ." Thinking "oh I'll get it back and then its not a big deal, but if I gambled on MLB, that could screw me and Shohei even if I replace all the money I embezzled."
That's solid perspective on both points, I appreciate and respect what you mentioned here. Could certainly be valid on everything you said.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 10, 2024, 08:26:50 PM
......is Yelich back?
Wouldn't be too shocking. He definitely showed signs last year.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 11, 2024, 09:59:32 PM
1. Ippei's gambling losses make no logical sense, unless he was either pounding horrible parlays, or the vig was insane. Or, he had other financial losses (crypto/options/etc), and those numbers just got all jumbled together.
Perhaps we can ask Phil Mickelson or John Daly to weigh in.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2024, 08:50:03 PM
Steroids are awesome.
Ah yes. A sure sign of Spring and a new MLB season. Some player has a hot start to the year and wades accuses them of using PEDs.
I feel like Yelich's issues were all mental once he busted his kneecap. He looked lost up at the plate and didn't seem to have much confidence.
He seemed to start turning it around last year with some solid contact, the homers just weren't there.
Also, I know the restriction on being able to watch film in-between at bats was another theory.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 12, 2024, 08:40:28 AM
I feel like Yelich's issues were all mental once he busted his kneecap. He looked lost up at the plate and didn't seem to have much confidence.
He seemed to start turning it around last year with some solid contact, the homers just weren't there.
Also, I know the restriction on being able to watch film in-between at bats was another theory.
Herb Score was supposed to be the next Bob Feller. He took a liner off the face and his career was never the same.
Score claims it didn't change how he pitched but those that watched him claimed otherwise. He had a looping delivery where it looked like the ball was being released as his hand touched the ground. Post-injury, his motion shortened just an ever bit and he didn't have the same stuff.
Small tweaks post injury in fear of other injuries can change a lot of what made you effective.
Any Chicago people here able to read the SunTimes article today on the new White Sox stadium and the people behind it?
We thought the White Sox team was the real joke (they could be historically bad - one of the worst teams in baseball history), but Getz (hiring a wifebeater), Reinsdorf (Looking for ANOTHER handout), and the potential investors (including an Arab who worked with Saddam and was denied a visa to the US by the Stae Dept.) are even worse.
And just like that, it was a fun 10 games from Yeli. Hard to stay healthy after you start PEDs.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 12, 2024, 08:01:37 PM
And just like that, it was a fun 10 games from Yeli. Hard to stay healthy after you start PEDs.
I know there's the connection to Braun and I'm not saying the guy never did PEDs, but if you consider the performance and injury timeline, the steroids causing injuries theory doesn't really add up.
Well, the Twins stink and have probably the most injuries in the sport
But.......its April 13th and Buxton currently isnt one of the injured. Sadly, he also stinks.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 13, 2024, 10:13:10 AM
Well, the Twins stink and have probably the most injuries in the sport
But.......its April 13th and Buxton currently isnt one of the injured. Sadly, he also stinks.
And yet, in a much better place than the White Sox.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 13, 2024, 10:13:10 AM
Well, the Twins stink and have probably the most injuries in the sport
But.......its April 13th and Buxton currently isnt one of the injured. Sadly, he also stinks.
They have injuries for a reason.
It's like the White Sox complaining about injuries. Moncada, Robert, and Eloy are hurt every year. If that's who you choose to have on your team, them you will have injuries.
Well my St. Louis Cardinals are off to a memorably pedestrian start.
The only teams they seem to be able to consistently beat are the Miami Marlins, who once again are in self-destruct mode. We'll see what the Cardinals do to the Diamondbacks this weekend.
As much as I love my Cardinals, I really don't like this team. They remind me too much of the old Cubs teams. Get on base, stand around and wait for the middle of the order to bash one into the 10th row. Dave Kingman and his .236 batting average would be a star on this team! The pitching is suspect. The hitting is non-existent and the only thing they seem to do well is field.
I got one word for you guys: Bunt!
Bunts happen so rarely, you'd probably give half the infield, the pitcher and the catcher heart attacks or strokes. I don't think they'd know what to do if a Cardinal EVER bunted!
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 13, 2024, 11:49:40 AM
Well my St. Louis Cardinals are off to a memorably pedestrian start.
The only teams they seem to be able to consistently beat are the Miami Marlins, who once again are in self-destruct mode. We'll see what the Cardinals do to the Diamondbacks this weekend.
As much as I love my Cardinals, I really don't like this team. They remind me too much of the old Cubs teams. Get on base, stand around and wait for the middle of the order to bash one into the 10th row. Dave Kingman and his .236 batting average would be a star on this team! The pitching is suspect. The hitting is non-existent and the only thing they seem to do well is field.
I got one word for you guys: Bunt!
Bunts happen so rarely, you'd probably give half the infield, the pitcher and the catcher heart attacks or strokes. I don't think they'd know what to do if a Cardinal EVER bunted!
You seem like someone who longs for the days of toe on the line 2 point jumpers.
The brewers have the makings of a sustainably fun team. High floor because of their defense and speed on the bases. Thr pitching still feels like it's destined to run out of gas beyond Peralta, but this is a fun team in the early going
Quote from: wadesworld on April 13, 2024, 12:00:34 PM
You seem like someone who longs for the days of toe on the line 2 point jumpers.
No.
I'm tired of players who aren't home run hitters swinging for the fences. If you are asking if I like team baseball, the answer is yes. There is more than one dimension to baseball!
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 13, 2024, 03:54:58 PM
No.
I'm tired of players who aren't home run hitters swinging for the fences. If you are asking if I like team baseball, the answer is yes. There is more than one dimension to baseball!
Teams don't bunt often because it lowers the run expectancy in an era where pitchers no longer hit.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 13, 2024, 04:20:56 PM
Teams don't bunt often because it lowers the run expectancy in an era where pitchers no longer hit.
It's a small difference, but the chances of a team scoring with a man on 1st with no outs is higher than with a man on 2nd and one out. The chances of scoring multiple runs is even higher in those scenarios.
Amid a 2-12 start, it is admirable that White Sox fans can be supportive and united ........
in chants of "Sell The Team" (per the AP)
Quote from: Jockey on April 13, 2024, 11:45:25 AM
They have injuries for a reason.
It's like the White Sox complaining about injuries. Moncada, Robert, and Eloy are hurt every year. If that's who you choose to have on your team, them you will have injuries.
Huh??
1. No one is complaining
2. Johan Duran isn't injury prone.
Sounds like the most exciting player to ever grace a baseball diamond is getting booed at home games. I only wish the Cubs FO thought as highly of him as the Cubs fans did.
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1779695501321081034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1779695501321081034%7Ctwgr%5E561ec3d4134f78fd7fa53309f2d71ef63034c8fe%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2F2024%2F04%2F15%2Fpadres-dodgers-fan-switcheroo-home-run-ball-priceless-interview
This is gold.
Quote from: Jockey on April 13, 2024, 06:43:34 PM
It's a small difference, but the chances of a team scoring with a man on 1st with no outs is higher than with a man on 2nd and one out. The chances of scoring multiple runs is even higher in those scenarios.
So I defy the obvious, have the runner stand there and look stupid, wait for my shortstop with a .182 batting average to swing for the fences and hope if, God willing, he hits it into the air, it doesn't go to center or right field.
I get Sabermetrics and AI in baseball. But at some point, human judgment has to enter the picture.
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 15, 2024, 11:11:15 AM
So I defy the obvious, have the runner stand there and look stupid, wait for my shortstop with a .182 batting average to swing for the fences and hope if, God willing, he hits it into the air, it doesn't go to center or right field.
I get Sabermetrics and AI in baseball. But at some point, human judgment has to enter the picture.
I would suggest there's bigger issues if you have a SS batting .182. Also, there's a greater risk of injury and guys just don't practice it anymore. I don't think the success rate is as high as it used to be.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 15, 2024, 11:38:16 AM
I would suggest there's bigger issues if you have a SS batting .182. Also, there's a greater risk of injury and guys just don't practice it anymore. I don't think the success rate is as high as it used to be.
He better be an Ozzie Smith in the field.
Yeah, I don't like sub-Mendoza line hitters either. But I like the idea of having one vacuum cleaner like Brooks Robinson or Ozzie on the infield. Even the Cardinals of the 1960s had Dal Maxvill, who couldn't hit his weight but was an incredible fielding shortstop. The Maury Wills Dodgers were the same way.
Could you perhaps come up with a player who has played this century? Anyway, these guys can all hit and field now. There is no need to give up too much offense to get a good defensive SS these days.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 15, 2024, 12:10:07 PM
Could you perhaps come up with a player who has played this century? Anyway, these guys can all hit and field now. There is no need to give up too much offense to get a good defensive SS these days.
Tell that to the St. Louis Cardinals, who are hitting below the Mendoza Line as a team.
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 15, 2024, 12:14:33 PM
Tell that to the St. Louis Cardinals, who are hitting below the Mendoza Line as a team.
Their team average is .230. I would advocate for them to bunt as much as possible though.
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 15, 2024, 12:03:54 PM
He better be an Ozzie Smith in the field.
Yeah, I don't like sub-Mendoza line hitters either. But I like the idea of having one vacuum cleaner like Brooks Robinson or Ozzie on the infield. Even the Cardinals of the 1960s had Dal Maxvill, who couldn't hit his weight but was an incredible fielding shortstop. The Maury Wills Dodgers were the same way.
You obviously watched Monte Wills instead of Maury Wills.
Comparing Maury to Dal Maxvill is beyond ridiculous.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 15, 2024, 12:10:07 PM
Could you perhaps come up with a player who has played this century? Anyway, these guys can all hit and field now. There is no need to give up too much offense to get a good defensive SS these days.
Baby steps, how about 1990s?
When discussing baseball today and referencing Dave Kingman, there's some distance to go.
From The Athletic:
The Chicago White Sox's miserable start to the 2024 season is starting to look historically bad.
On Monday night, they lost 2-0 to the Kansas City Royals. It marked the sixth time this season they've been held scoreless, which ties them with the 1907 Brooklyn Superbas for the most shutouts in the first 16 games of the season, according to Codify Baseball. They've been shut out once in each of the six series they've played this season.
You know that when a negative record goes all the way back to the Brooklyn Superbas, you really, really suck.
Speaking of the Cardinals:
ESPN headline-
HOF skipper Herzog, known for 'Whiteyball', dies
The Badger Basketball team owes his estate some royalties.
Quote from: lawdog77 on April 16, 2024, 12:36:13 PM
Speaking of the Cardinals:
ESPN headline-
HOF skipper Herzog, known for 'Whiteyball', dies
The Badger Basketball team owes his estate some royalties.
Oh boy. We are going to get a lot of "baseball the right way" narrative around here.
Nice to see Trout healthy and mashing baseballs.
Hopefully he stays healthy. And even more hopeful the angels finally trade the guy
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 16, 2024, 01:20:58 PM
Oh boy. We are going to get a lot of "baseball the right way" narrative around here.
Pretty dang good manager. Had a lot of success in KC before taking the Cardinals gig. Might be a two-time WS Champ if not for a badly blown call.
Hated, absolutely hated him and his Cardinals teams. Best compliment I can give him. Did a lot of things that became popular later, utilizing high OBP players like Darrell Porter. Needed another power threat in '85 and '87, though.
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2024, 12:22:52 PM
From The Athletic:
The Chicago White Sox's miserable start to the 2024 season is starting to look historically bad.
On Monday night, they lost 2-0 to the Kansas City Royals. It marked the sixth time this season they've been held scoreless, which ties them with the 1907 Brooklyn Superbas for the most shutouts in the first 16 games of the season, according to Codify Baseball. They've been shut out once in each of the six series they've played this season.
You know that when a negative record goes all the way back to the Brooklyn Superbas, you really, really suck.
These White Sox may be historically bad by the end of the season. They project to only be a 20 win team. I know they willl win more than 30, but maybe not much more than that. They have brought on some mediocre veteran help with the plan to sell them off to contenders, so the end of the season projects to be worse than this start. And, on top of that, as a big market team, the best they can get in the draft is the 10th pick. :-\
Excellent timing by JR while asking for a new stadium. :o
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 16, 2024, 01:53:30 PM
These White Sox may be historically bad by the end of the season. They project to only be a 20 win team. I know they willl win more than 30, but maybe not much more than that. They have brought on some mediocre veteran help with the plan to sell them off to contenders, so the end of the season projects to be worse than this start. And, on top of that, as a big market team, the best they can get in the draft is the 10th pick. :-\
Excellent timing by JR while asking for a new stadium. :o
They are on a pace to win 20 games - they don't project to win 20.
They will probably win somewhere in the 50s. Every team is gonna win 50 and lose 50. The good teams win at least 2/3 of the other games.
The last of the Brooklyn Dodgers has passed away, Carl Erskine at age 97. Pitched 2 no-hitters and helped Brooklyn win a title in '55.
Quote from: Jockey on April 16, 2024, 02:05:31 PM
They are on a pace to win 20 games - they don't project to win 20.
They will probably win somewhere in the 50s. Every team is gonna win 50 and lose 50. The good teams win at least 2/3 of the other games.
Agreed. It's really, really hard to not win 50. The Sox have a couple decent bullpen pieces in Leasure, Kopech, and Shuster (who might be moved to the rotation). Those guys will help keep them competitive in close, low-scoring games. The offense has been trash, but Benintendi, Grossman, Pham, Vaughn, Sheets, and a healthy Eloy/Robert will provide just enough on some nights. Still, it looks like 100+ losses is inevitable.
Quote from: Jockey on April 16, 2024, 02:05:31 PM
They are on a pace to win 20 games - they don't project to win 20.
They will probably win somewhere in the 50s. Every team is gonna win 50 and lose 50. The good teams win at least 2/3 of the other games.
That's fair. Feels like the ceiling is 50 wins.
The exclusion from a top 10 pick is harsh, but probably fair. Just glad the NFL doesn't do that.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 16, 2024, 02:41:15 PM
That's fair. Feels like the ceiling is 50 wins.
The exclusion from a top 10 pick is harsh, but probably fair. Just glad the NFL doesn't do that.
If there's a team to stoop to 50 wins, the White Sox are the best candidate.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2024, 01:25:59 PM
Pretty dang good manager. Had a lot of success in KC before taking the Cardinals gig. Might be a two-time WS Champ if not for a badly blown call.
Hated, absolutely hated him and his Cardinals teams. Best compliment I can give him. Did a lot of things that became popular later, utilizing high OBP players like Darrell Porter. Needed another power threat in '85 and '87, though.
I ain't complaining. Great manager who had the respect of his players and of the community.
They don't make 'em like Whitey anymore!
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 16, 2024, 08:35:21 PM
I ain't complaining. Great manager who had the respect of his players and of the community.
They don't make 'em like Whitey anymore!
No, no they don't. Mike Shropshire's book "Seasons in Hell" is a great look into Whitey Herzog from his year managing the Rangers.
Rockies trying really hard to upstage the A's and White Sox as this season's biggest $hit$how
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 19, 2024, 12:10:20 PM
Rockies trying really hard to upstage the A's and White Sox as this season's biggest $hit$how
But only the Sox are excluded from the top 10 draft picks. That takes serious commitment to the $hit$how when there is no reward.
Not enough bunting by STL leads to a Brewers sweep.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 21, 2024, 04:03:08 PM
Not enough bunting by STL leads to a Brewers sweep.
How did they get so bad so quick?
I guess when Lynn and Gibson are your big FA signings, you've pretty much given up.
Their old guys are old. Their farm system is OK with top prospects being a couple years out.
And this manager doesn't seem to be great. Kinda wonder how much Yadi was actually managing that team a couple years ago.
I feel really, really bad for the team and their fans. I am sure they will be paragons of patience and support while the team works through this rough patch.
Was Craig Counsell holding them back? Was Pat Murphy always the brains of the operation?
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 21, 2024, 05:11:03 PM
Was Craig Counsell holding them back? Was Pat Murphy always the brains of the operation?
Pitching won't hold up but the kids are fun
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2024, 06:16:53 PM
Pitching won't hold up but the kids are fun
Yeah, could hold up enough for for 86 wins and a playoff berth. Anything beyond that seems unrealistic
Quote from: BM1090 on April 22, 2024, 12:41:06 PM
Yeah, could hold up enough for for 86 wins and a playoff berth. Anything beyond that seems unrealistic
At least they're not the Cardinals. Goldschmidt is toast, the offense blows and the pitching is hinging on hope. And they have to play in front of an empty stadium every game. And the city itself is a dump. Sad times for the BFIBs
Twins vs White Sox for 4 this week
Must watch baseball
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 22, 2024, 01:16:13 PM
Twins vs White Sox for 4 this week
Must watch baseball
One of these teams will have to figure out how to win a baseball game and both teams are really slow learners
Wade Miley to the DL. DL Hall on the DL. Woof
Quote from: Badgerhater on April 22, 2024, 01:36:27 PM
One of these teams will have to figure out how to win a baseball game and both teams are really slow learners
The Sox are hitting an impressive 0.188. and only .007 behind the Twins.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 22, 2024, 01:16:13 PM
Twins vs White Sox for 4 this week
Must watch wince baseball
FIFY
Yikes, even Chris Paddack can deal against the Sox lineup
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 22, 2024, 08:15:02 PM
Yikes, even Chris Paddack can deal against the Sox lineup
Sox with an MLB record, 8 shutouts in first 22 games.
Getz oversaw the development of these guys in the minors - so who else would you choose to run things?
Quote from: Jockey on April 22, 2024, 09:53:13 PM
Getz oversaw the development of these guys in the minors - so who else would you choose to run things?
Well, J.R. said he hired Getz because he didn't want to waste a year with an outside hire. :o
Getz's team wasted no time setting all time MLB records.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2024, 02:16:01 PM
The last of the Brooklyn Dodgers has passed away, Carl Erskine at age 97. Pitched 2 no-hitters and helped Brooklyn win a title in '55.
Sandy Koufax, who started in Brooklyn, is very much alive and kicking. We see him around town every now and then.
Idiot umpire Hunter Wendelstedt ejected Aaron Boone after a fan yelled something. And then Wendelstedt doubled down on his idiocy after the game, claiming he heard a player "at the far end of the dugout."
https://sports.yahoo.com/yankees-manager-aaron-boone-ejected-after-fan-mouths-off-to-home-plate-umpire-183940101.html?.tsrc=1317
Quote from: MU82 on April 23, 2024, 07:20:54 AM
Idiot umpire Hunter Wendelstedt ejected Aaron Boone after a fan yelled something. And then Wendelstedt doubled down on his idiocy after the game, claiming he heard a player "at the far end of the dugout."
https://sports.yahoo.com/yankees-manager-aaron-boone-ejected-after-fan-mouths-off-to-home-plate-umpire-183940101.html?.tsrc=1317
He's lucky Angel Hernandez is a household name and he's able to fly more under the radar.
Quote from: MU82 on April 23, 2024, 07:20:54 AM
Idiot umpire Hunter Wendelstedt ejected Aaron Boone after a fan yelled something. And then Wendelstedt doubled down on his idiocy after the game, claiming he heard a player "at the far end of the dugout."
https://sports.yahoo.com/yankees-manager-aaron-boone-ejected-after-fan-mouths-off-to-home-plate-umpire-183940101.html?.tsrc=1317
I'm ok with it considering the entire sequence was objectively hilarious.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 22, 2024, 08:15:02 PM
Yikes, even Chris Paddack can deal against the Sox lineup
I really thought Paddack was gonna be a stud when he came up. He's only 28, but he was regressing even before the second Tommy John.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 23, 2024, 08:25:24 AM
I really thought Paddack was gonna be a stud when he came up. He's only 28, but he was regressing even before the second Tommy John.
So did I after his first year. He was one I was box score checking come year 2 as a potential up and comer and immediately regressed
His underlying numbers in his very brief 2022 before the second TJ were impressive but it was such a small sample.
At this point the twins just need him to not be another Chris Archer going 4 innings a start with a bad era.
White Sox lol
Chase Lopez.
Get a gem from a random scrub
Get key insurance runs late
Still lose. Twins will take any wins they can get though. Not complaining.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 23, 2024, 09:40:59 PM
White Sox lol
Chase Lopez.
Get a gem from a random scrub
Get key insurance runs late
Still lose. Twins will take any wins they can get though. Not complaining.
Still way early in the season, but if you're going to lose 120+ games, the Sox are executing the game plan.
Is Kopech the most overrated Chicago athlete since Cutler?
Quote from: Jockey on April 23, 2024, 09:58:15 PM
Is Kopech the most overrated Chicago athlete since Cutler?
You're extra ornery lately, you ok man?
I don't think anyone has treated Kopech like the second coming except some overly optimistic Sox fans. Almost everyone else views him as a very talented prospect who can't stay healthy and whose career has went sideways as a result.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 24, 2024, 06:46:42 AM
You're extra ornery lately, you ok man?
I don't think anyone has treated Kopech like the second coming except some overly optimistic Sox fans. Almost everyone else views him as a very talented prospect who can't stay healthy and whose career has went sideways as a result.
Nah. Sometimes I just get a perverse pleasure out of the failure of Chicago teams. Comes from growing up just north of the border.
Quote from: Jockey on April 23, 2024, 09:58:15 PM
Is Kopech the most overrated Chicago athlete since Cutler?
Heck, no. Just one of too many to count.
It's getting to be almost as tough to be a St. Louis Cardinals fan as it is a Chicago White Sox fan.
Big difference: We have expectations. Perhaps delusional this year, especially when Arizona scores 14 runs on our team, but we rather expect to win. Not going to happen with this team.
Marmol and Mozeliak need to go... and soon. I suspect they will rename Busch Stadium "Cape Canaveral" later this year when the Cardinals' ancient pitching staff gives out. If we get 15 home runs a piece from Goldschmidt and Arenado, I'd be surprised the way things are going.
There's a core to build around. Masyn Winn, Jordan Walker and possibly Dylan Carlson (who appears to be in Ollie's dog house, again) all impress me as future all stars under the right management. I'm OK with Nootbaar as an everyday player. But the rest of this team should be tied up and tossed from the Arch into the Mississippi River and tied down with a heavy, lead anchor. If they should surface, call Missouri Hazardous Waste Disposal Units (Illinois would just dump 'em in your back yard).
Ironically, with Whitey dying last week, this team reminds me of the Cardinals teams in 1978 and 1979. Lots of talent on paper but chronic underperformers and the talent was over-evaluated. Was a different era but Whitey went out and built a team with trades and a little free agency. Something has to happen, or St. Louis soon will become the next "small amrket team," at least in attendance.
P.S -- Forget it Cub fans! I'm loyal to a fault!!!!
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 24, 2024, 10:53:27 AM
It's getting to be almost as tough to be a St. Louis Cardinals fan as it is a Chicago White Sox fan.
Big difference: We have expectations. Perhaps delusional this year, especially when Arizona scores 14 runs on our team, but we rather expect to win. Not going to happen with this team.
Marmol and Mozeliak need to go... and soon. I suspect they will rename Busch Stadium "Cape Canaveral" later this year when the Cardinals' ancient pitching staff gives out. If we get 15 home runs a piece from Goldschmidt and Arenado, I'd be surprised the way things are going.
There's a core to build around. Masyn Winn, Jordan Walker and possibly Dylan Carlson (who appears to be in Ollie's dog house, again) all impress me as future all stars under the right management. I'm OK with Nootbaar as an everyday player. But the rest of this team should be tied up and tossed from the Arch into the Mississippi River and tied down with a heavy, lead anchor. If they should surface, call Missouri Hazardous Waste Disposal Units (Illinois would just dump 'em in your back yard).
Ironically, with Whitey dying last week, this team reminds me of the Cardinals teams in 1978 and 1979. Lots of talent on paper but chronic underperformers and the talent was over-evaluated. Was a different era but Whitey went out and built a team with trades and a little free agency. Something has to happen, or St. Louis soon will become the next "small amrket team," at least in attendance.
P.S -- Forget it Cub fans! I'm loyal to a fault!!!!
I blame the fans
Sox now 3-22
Just unbelievable
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 25, 2024, 03:12:51 PM
Sox now 3-22
Just unbelievable
For the first time in a long time, I have not watched a single inning of white sox baseball. Extremely sad state of affairs lol
Early obviously. But 19/24 of the Brewers games have been against teams .500 or better. Their next 12 games are against teams currently .500 or better. Then they get a break against the Cards :D
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 25, 2024, 03:59:33 PM
Early obviously. But 19/24 of the Brewers games have been against teams .500 or better. Their next 12 games are against teams currently .500 or better. Then they get a break against the Cards :D
And 16/24 were on the road.
Absolutely amazing start after losing their manager and top 2 pitchers.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 25, 2024, 03:12:51 PM
Sox now 3-22
Just unbelievable
I feel like Grifol might not be their manager tomorrow night. At this point, I think you make a move just to do it.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on April 25, 2024, 05:41:29 PM
I feel like Grifol might not be their manager tomorrow night. At this point, I think you make a move just to do it.
I'm sure you agree that will not move the needle much but it maybe best for PR.
Tommy John for Wade Miley.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 26, 2024, 03:37:25 PM
Tommy John for Wade Miley.
That's rough. Always liked watching him pitch.
At 38, will he ever pitch again? At 16 months rehab, who knows.
If not, is it even necessary to have the surgery?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 26, 2024, 03:37:25 PM
Tommy John for Wade Miley.
Not a great trade. He's 80 years old!
Banner 3 days for the umps in Milwaukee
Great f'ng officiating product you got there, MLB. If we're going to do crap like this let's actually throw at the the umps
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 30, 2024, 08:31:54 PM
Great f'ng officiating product you got there, MLB. If we're going to do crap like this let's actually throw at the the umps
Tossing Freddy tonight will be justified as we deemed it retaliatory for Hoskins being hit
Think Pat should call for a gambling investigation into this crew
Slap fight!
I'm gonna overlook opponents and say 10 wins in a row is impressive
From Yahoo Sports:
Cubs lefty Shōta Imanaga continued the historic start to his rookie season on Wednesday, pitching seven scoreless innings in a 1-0 victory over the Mets.
His numbers so far:
5-0
34.2 IP
35 K
0.78 ERA
0.75 WHIP
Imanaga's 0.78 ERA is the lowest through a pitcher's first six MLB starts since Fernando Valenzuela (0.33) in 1981. Valenzuela was just 20 years old while Imanaga is 30 with seven pro seasons in Japan under his belt, but if he keeps this up... Chicago may soon get its own taste of "Shōtamania."
Quote of the day: Imanaga was asked what it was like pitching in New York for the first time. "The view from the hotel, I recognize it from Spider-Man," he said via his interpreter. "So I was like, 'Oh, this is where Spider-Man was.'" Amazing.
Quote from: MU82 on May 02, 2024, 08:31:00 AM
From Yahoo Sports:
Cubs lefty Shōta Imanaga continued the historic start to his rookie season on Wednesday, pitching seven scoreless innings in a 1-0 victory over the Mets.
His numbers so far:
5-0
34.2 IP
35 K
0.78 ERA
0.75 WHIP
Imanaga's 0.78 ERA is the lowest through a pitcher's first six MLB starts since Fernando Valenzuela (0.33) in 1981. Valenzuela was just 20 years old while Imanaga is 30 with seven pro seasons in Japan under his belt, but if he keeps this up... Chicago may soon get its own taste of "Shōtamania."
Quote of the day: Imanaga was asked what it was like pitching in New York for the first time. "The view from the hotel, I recognize it from Spider-Man," he said via his interpreter. "So I was like, 'Oh, this is where Spider-Man was.'" Amazing.
Insane value grab by the Cubs so far for the production of star NPB pitcher signings. Only paying $13MM a year for Shoto where the Dodgers are paying $27MM a year for Yamamoto. Yamamoto is gonna end up being very good but he's been a bit boom or bust in his starts, Shoto meanwhile has an insane 4 hits over 5 starts.
Also, as I mentioned when Yamamoto signed, both guys are well below average for SP height. Average last I saw was like 6'3, and there are less than 15 starters that are 5'10 or under, which Shoto and Moto both are, and both have a signature fastball.
Muggsy would like 'em even more if they were 4'10 or under!
Big question: Was Carl Pohlad right and major league baseball needs to contract?
I look at teams like the White Sox, Marlins, Rockies, Athletics, Pirates and even my beloved Cardinals. There isn't enough major league talent to staff 30 teams. When you get down to the lower end of any division in baseball, not only is there no talent, or very little talent, there's NO HOPE!
Miami should be, on paper, one of the best baseball towns in America. Its demographic, major market size and stadium quality (even the food is good) suggests this is a true major league city. But a succession of bad owners and GMs has wrecked the franchise and left the Marlins as a mediocre AA team. The Pirates have played better as of late but does anyone in Pittsburgh think a World Series will be coming in their lifetime?
Yeah, some if it is money. Stars go where the money is. But the baseball product is so watered down today, true stars have a huge market because there's just a limited number of high-level major league superstars --far fewer than are needed for a 30+ team league. And, the idiot commissioner is thinking expansion again??????
Pohlad probably was right. Baseball needs to think about contraction. Probably about four to six teams need to go. I'd probably argue the As and Kansas City for starters. Any thoughts Scoopers?
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 03, 2024, 09:01:18 AM
Big question: Was Carl Pohlad right and major league baseball needs to contract?
I look at teams like the White Sox, Marlins, Rockies, Athletics, Pirates and even my beloved Cardinals. There isn't enough major league talent to staff 30 teams. When you get down to the lower end of any division in baseball, not only is there no talent, or very little talent, there's NO HOPE!
Miami should be, on paper, one of the best baseball towns in America. Its demographic, major market size and stadium quality (even the food is good) suggests this is a true major league city. But a succession of bad owners and GMs has wrecked the franchise and left the Marlins as a mediocre AA team. The Pirates have played better as of late but does anyone in Pittsburgh think a World Series will becoming in their lifetime?
Yeah, some if it is money. Stars go where the money is. But the baseball product is so watered down today, true stars have a huge market because there's just a limited number of high-level major league superstars --far fewer than are needed for a 30+ team league. And, the idiot commissioner is thinking expansion again??????
Pohlad probably was right. Baseball needs to think about contraction. Probably about four to six teams need to go. I'd probably argue the As and Kansas City for starters. Any thoughts Scoopers?
I agree (And not just baseball).
However, not happening
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 03, 2024, 09:01:18 AM
Big question: Was Carl Pohlad right and major league baseball needs to contract?
I look at teams like the White Sox, Marlins, Rockies, Athletics, Pirates and even my beloved Cardinals. There isn't enough major league talent to staff 30 teams. When you get down to the lower end of any division in baseball, not only is there no talent, or very little talent, there's NO HOPE!
Miami should be, on paper, one of the best baseball towns in America. Its demographic, major market size and stadium quality (even the food is good) suggests this is a true major league city. But a succession of bad owners and GMs has wrecked the franchise and left the Marlins as a mediocre AA team. The Pirates have played better as of late but does anyone in Pittsburgh think a World Series will be coming in their lifetime?
Yeah, some if it is money. Stars go where the money is. But the baseball product is so watered down today, true stars have a huge market because there's just a limited number of high-level major league superstars --far fewer than are needed for a 30+ team league. And, the idiot commissioner is thinking expansion again??????
Pohlad probably was right. Baseball needs to think about contraction. Probably about four to six teams need to go. I'd probably argue the As and Kansas City for starters. Any thoughts Scoopers?
The Royals are a decade removed from a World Series win. 24 teams isn't enough. What baseball needs is a salary cap and a salary floor.
Yes. The Cardinals are in a uncharacteristic hole. Some prospects didn't pan out. Maybe they should try the portal. The A's are not even trying. They are an embarrassment to all owners everywhere. The White Sox have been competitive recently, they just got dumber. Florida, for whatever reason, does not support MLB.
Quote from: tower912 on May 03, 2024, 10:53:37 AM
Yes. The Cardinals are in a uncharacteristic hole. Some prospects didn't pan out. Maybe they should try the portal. The A's are not even trying. They are an embarrassment to all owners everywhere. The White Sox have been competitive recently, they just got dumber. Florida, for whatever reason, does not support MLB.
I agree with this, and yet the A's are only 2 games under .500 and in third place. It lends credibility to the position that the White Sox are purposefully tanking (for no reason I can explain) or JR is not fit for owning a team (not just in a fan's perspective of "
our owner sucks", but actual diminished cognitive capabilities).
Contraction isn't the answer for baseball or any other sport. There is plenty of talent around.
Bally Sports and Xfinity aren't the answer right now, either.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 03, 2024, 11:15:13 AM
Contraction isn't the answer for baseball or any other sport. There is plenty of talent around.
Brother Hippie:
I agree there is plenty of "talent" around, but not enough MAJOR LEAGUE talent. That's where I think the problem is. The pitching is just atrocious
Part of the problem is money, I agree. To retain talent, whether out of high school or college, takes huge bonuses and lots of development costs. Then, once they become arbitration eligible, you're screwed financially because arbitrators have been conditioned to look at home runs and batting average. And, to the romantic notion that somehow baseball will get a salary cap -- not going to happen in my or your lifetime!
Basically, you have to sell about 2.5 million tickets to be competitive and 3.5 million to consistently contend. Even then, the Cardinals are proving this year that with bad management and poor player development, a team can S-U-C-K, suck!
My nominees for contraction are Oakland, Kansas City (also having a stadium battle), Tampa Bay (stadium). At this point, it gets tough. I'd argue for Pittsburgh on grounds that even with the best stadium in the majors, it can't support a winner. From there, it's a crap shoot, but I'd surely keep Miami, Denver, Phoenix, all of which should be able with good ownership to be winnders.
Maybe we need to fire and replace owners!
Quote from: tower912 on May 03, 2024, 10:53:37 AM
Yes. The Cardinals are in a uncharacteristic hole. Some prospects didn't pan out. Maybe they should try the portal. The A's are not even trying. They are an embarrassment to all owners everywhere. The White Sox have been competitive recently, they just got dumber. Florida, for whatever reason, does not support MLB.
Right now, there are a dozen teams as bad or worse than the A's.
If the Cards don't want to compete anymore, I'd get rid of them 1st.
I should have said the A's ownership is embarrassing. The players continue to meet or exceed expectations. Use their moronic owners as focus and motivation.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 03, 2024, 10:49:57 AM
The Royals are a decade removed from a World Series win. 24 teams isn't enough. What baseball needs is a salary cap and a salary floor.
Especially when almost all of the losing teams get millions and millions in revenue sharing.
But some owners don't care if they win. They just want to keep their money tree healthy.
Quote from: Jockey on May 03, 2024, 01:04:52 PM
Right now, there are a dozen teams as bad or worse than the A's.
If the Cards don't want to compete anymore, I'd get rid of them 1st.
To be fair, a good chunk of the fan base is poor from legal defenses and buying autographed bibles
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 03, 2024, 11:09:59 AM
I agree with this, and yet the A's are only 2 games under .500 and in third place. It lends credibility to the position that the White Sox are purposefully tanking (for no reason I can explain) or JR is not fit for owning a team (not just in a fan's perspective of "our owner sucks", but actual diminished cognitive capabilities).
You should have to disclose your financials if you fall under the median total salary threshold
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 03, 2024, 12:46:26 PM
Brother Hippie:
I agree there is plenty of "talent" around, but not enough MAJOR LEAGUE talent. That's where I think the problem is. The pitching is just atrocious
Part of the problem is money, I agree. To retain talent, whether out of high school or college, takes huge bonuses and lots of development costs. Then, once they become arbitration eligible, you're screwed financially because arbitrators have been conditioned to look at home runs and batting average. And, to the romantic notion that somehow baseball will get a salary cap -- not going to happen in my or your lifetime!
Basically, you have to sell about 2.5 million tickets to be competitive and 3.5 million to consistently contend. Even then, the Cardinals are proving this year that with bad management and poor player development, a team can S-U-C-K, suck!
My nominees for contraction are Oakland, Kansas City (also having a stadium battle), Tampa Bay (stadium). At this point, it gets tough. I'd argue for Pittsburgh on grounds that even with the best stadium in the majors, it can't support a winner. From there, it's a crap shoot, but I'd surely keep Miami, Denver, Phoenix, all of which should be able with good ownership to be winnders.
Maybe we need to fire and replace owners!
The issue isn't one of lack of major league talent. The issue is one of competitive balance. Contracting teams isn't going to help with that.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 03, 2024, 01:26:41 PM
To be fair, a good chunk of the fan base is poor from legal defenses and buying autographed bibles
Excuse me but most Cardinal fans not educated at Marquette probably don't know the difference between a Bible and a Koran.
But we know baseball and we know one absolute: The CUBS SUCK!!!!!
Well
Buxton made it to May before the knee acted up.
Progress
From Yahoo Sports:
The Athletics are averaging 6,410 fans per home game this season, which is on pace to be the lowest average home attendance for an MLB team since... the Athletics in 1979.
Mind-blowing stat: 553 professional and college teams in the U.S. are averaging more fans than the 2024 A's, per Sportico.
Included in that list: 18 minor league hockey teams, 13 minor league baseball teams, 12 NWSL teams, 12 NCAA baseball teams, eight NLL teams (indoor lacrosse), seven WNBA teams, seven USL Championship teams (one tier below MLS), six D-II football teams, three Indoor Football League teams, two D-III football teams, and one women's volleyball team (shoutout to the Omaha Supernovas!).
Quote from: MU82 on May 08, 2024, 08:37:11 AM
From Yahoo Sports:
The Athletics are averaging 6,410 fans per home game this season, which is on pace to be the lowest average home attendance for an MLB team since... the Athletics in 1979.
Mind-blowing stat: 553 professional and college teams in the U.S. are averaging more fans than the 2024 A's, per Sportico.
Included in that list: 18 minor league hockey teams, 13 minor league baseball teams, 12 NWSL teams, 12 NCAA baseball teams, eight NLL teams (indoor lacrosse), seven WNBA teams, seven USL Championship teams (one tier below MLS), six D-II football teams, three Indoor Football League teams, two D-III football teams, and one women's volleyball team (shoutout to the Omaha Supernovas!).
And they are actually currently playing far better than expected to start ha
Quote from: MU82 on May 08, 2024, 08:37:11 AM
From Yahoo Sports:
The Athletics are averaging 6,410 fans per home game this season, which is on pace to be the lowest average home attendance for an MLB team since... the Athletics in 1979.
Mind-blowing stat: 553 professional and college teams in the U.S. are averaging more fans than the 2024 A's, per Sportico.
Included in that list: 18 minor league hockey teams, 13 minor league baseball teams, 12 NWSL teams, 12 NCAA baseball teams, eight NLL teams (indoor lacrosse), seven WNBA teams, seven USL Championship teams (one tier below MLS), six D-II football teams, three Indoor Football League teams, two D-III football teams, and one women's volleyball team (shoutout to the Omaha Supernovas!).
White Sox fans should take note and learn.
Somebody, please shoot Cardinal Manager Ollie Marmol!
Don't fire him! Shoot him!
OK, I'm only kidding but I am so disgusted at the St. Louis Cardinals that I'm on the verge of softening my hatred for the Chicago Cubs.
Case in point: Cardinal Catcher Wilson Contreras was told to crowd the plate as he was catching so the Cardinals could get more breaks on breaking balls from umpires. Contreras does as he is told and lo and behold, the hitter for the New York Mets clobbers his arm . Contreras is out for six weeks and had surgery to repair a broken arm. To add insult to injury, Contreras was charged with catcher's interference and the batter awarded first base.
That, coupled with the Cardinals hitting about .036 as a team and losing two of the three to the White Sox and on the verge of being swept by the ever loving New York Mets and its time to do something drastic. This season is probably lost but if the Cardinals don't do something soon, attendance at Busch Stadium will look like such baseball mad places as Oakland, Miami or Kansas City.
Bye Ollie -- go back to the A leagues where you might learn some baseball. Take Molizak with you! PLEASE!!!!!!
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 08, 2024, 10:48:35 AM
Somebody, please shoot Cardinal Manager Ollie Marmol!
Don't fire him! Shoot him!
OK, I'm only kidding but I am so disgusted at the St. Louis Cardinals that I'm on the verge of softening my hatred for the Chicago Cubs.
Case in point: Cardinal Catcher Wilson Contreras was told to crowd the plate as he was catching so the Cardinals could get more breaks on breaking balls from umpires. Contreras does as he is told and lo and behold, the hitter for the New York Mets clobbers his arm . Contreras is out for six weeks and had surgery to repair a broken arm. To add insult to injury, Contreras was charged with catcher's interference and the batter awarded first base.
That, coupled with the Cardinals hitting about .036 as a team and losing two of the three to the White Sox and on the verge of being swept by the ever loving New York Mets and its time to do something drastic. This season is probably lost but if the Cardinals don't do something soon, attendance at Busch Stadium will look like such baseball mad places as Oakland, Miami or Kansas City.
Bye Ollie -- go back to the A leagues where you might learn some baseball. Take Molizak with you! PLEASE!!!!!!
It's not just an Ollie thing. All catchers are doing this.
https://apnews.com/article/mlb-catcher-interference-c3a9d32dab7ea8503dd0f95b935ba109
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 08, 2024, 10:48:35 AM
Somebody, please shoot Cardinal Manager Ollie Marmol!
Don't fire him! Shoot him!
OK, I'm only kidding but I am so disgusted at the St. Louis Cardinals that I'm on the verge of softening my hatred for the Chicago Cubs.
Case in point: Cardinal Catcher Wilson Contreras was told to crowd the plate as he was catching so the Cardinals could get more breaks on breaking balls from umpires. Contreras does as he is told and lo and behold, the hitter for the New York Mets clobbers his arm . Contreras is out for six weeks and had surgery to repair a broken arm. To add insult to injury, Contreras was charged with catcher's interference and the batter awarded first base.
That, coupled with the Cardinals hitting about .036 as a team and losing two of the three to the White Sox and on the verge of being swept by the ever loving New York Mets and its time to do something drastic. This season is probably lost but if the Cardinals don't do something soon, attendance at Busch Stadium will look like such baseball mad places as Oakland, Miami or Kansas City.
Bye Ollie -- go back to the A leagues where you might learn some baseball. Take Molizak with you! PLEASE!!!!!!
Best Fans in Baseball
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 08, 2024, 10:48:35 AM
This season is probably lost but if the Cardinals don't do something soon, attendance at Busch Stadium will look like such baseball mad places as Oakland, Miami or Kansas City.
So St. Louis has mostly fair-weather fans then?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on May 08, 2024, 02:26:41 PM
So St. Louis has mostly fair-weather fans then?
Hardly!
Cardinal fans have expectations. We definitely support mediocre teams and teams that aren't very good -- as long as they try!
Going into this year, we all rather thought that ownership wasn't trying. The lack of either developing or acquiring a number one starter was a huge problem. As was the age of our starting pitching staff. By July, we expect our pitchers to be the crapola standard for baseball because older pitchers not named Nolan Ryan wear out as the season wears on.
Then there is Oli. If there's a bigger bonehead baseball manager than Oli, I don't know who it is. This guy has his head so far up his backside, it's coming out his mouth. If there's a wrong way to do things, Oli pioneered it.
So what we have is a team past its prime whose best developed talent is playing in Miami, Tampa and Texas. Our third baseman is supposed to be hitting 40 to 50 home runs a year. If he hits 15, we will be lucky. Our first basemen is the baseball equivalent of a 40-year-old Payton Manning, who consistently came up short on the out route! Or a Joe Theismann after he broke his leg!
We will still draw 2 million fans to St. Louis, but we expect an ownership and management that is committed to winning. Period.
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 09, 2024, 02:02:20 PM
Hardly!
Cardinal fans have expectations. We definitely support mediocre teams and teams that aren't very good -- as long as they try!
Going into this year, we all rather thought that ownership wasn't trying. The lack of either developing or acquiring a number one starter was a huge problem. As was the age of our starting pitching staff. By July, we expect our pitchers to be the crapola standard for baseball because older pitchers not named Nolan Ryan wear out as the season wears on.
Then there is Oli. If there's a bigger bonehead baseball manager than Oli, I don't know who it is. This guy has his head so far up his backside, it's coming out his mouth. If there's a wrong way to do things, Oli pioneered it.
So what we have is a team past its prime whose best developed talent is playing in Miami, Tampa and Texas. Our third baseman is supposed to be hitting 40 to 50 home runs a year. If he hits 15, we will be lucky. Our first basemen is the baseball equivalent of a 40-year-old Payton Manning, who consistently came up short on the out route! Or a Joe Theismann after he broke his leg!
We will still draw 2 million fans to St. Louis, but we expect an ownership and management that is committed to winning. Period.
"Draw" 2 million fans 🙄
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 09, 2024, 02:02:20 PM
Hardly!
Cardinal fans have expectations. We definitely support mediocre teams and teams that aren't very good -- as long as they try!
Going into this year, we all rather thought that ownership wasn't trying. The lack of either developing or acquiring a number one starter was a huge problem. As was the age of our starting pitching staff. By July, we expect our pitchers to be the crapola standard for baseball because older pitchers not named Nolan Ryan wear out as the season wears on.
Then there is Oli. If there's a bigger bonehead baseball manager than Oli, I don't know who it is. This guy has his head so far up his backside, it's coming out his mouth. If there's a wrong way to do things, Oli pioneered it.
So what we have is a team past its prime whose best developed talent is playing in Miami, Tampa and Texas. Our third baseman is supposed to be hitting 40 to 50 home runs a year. If he hits 15, we will be lucky. Our first basemen is the baseball equivalent of a 40-year-old Payton Manning, who consistently came up short on the out route! Or a Joe Theismann after he broke his leg!
We will still draw 2 million fans to St. Louis, but we expect an ownership and management that is committed to winning. Period.
So I shouldn't expect a good game when I watch them play the Brewers on Sunday?
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on May 09, 2024, 02:41:51 PM
So I shouldn't expect a good game when I watch them play the Brewers on Sunday?
Probably not.
If you are a Brewers fan, you probably will leave happy!
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 03, 2024, 11:15:13 AM
Contraction isn't the answer for baseball or any other sport. There is plenty of talent around.
My hope is that with the failure of Bally Sports and others, as the big national/global networks like Amazon get the MLB TV/streaming contracts, there will be an opportunity for more revenue sharing like the NFL does with their TV money. Then we can talk about salary caps and floors, and this should lead to more spending parity across baseball. There will still be inept front offices, but at least there won't be such enormous built-in advantages for the large market teams.
Ryan Jeffers so far this year
.306/.389/.631
That includes his 2/22 to start the year.
Absolute machine right now.
Bases chucked and no outs and the Cards don't even try to bunt a run in. Serves them right to not put one run across the plate there.
Imagine being a Cardinals fan watching the Brewers beat the snot out of you while playing the game the right way.
https://twitter.com/TylerKoerth/status/1789106361852199040?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: wadesworld on May 10, 2024, 08:44:10 PM
Imagine being a Cardinals fan watching the Brewers beat the snot out of you while playing the game the right way.
https://twitter.com/TylerKoerth/status/1789106361852199040?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
The St Louis Classies would give a standing ovation for playing the game the right way. Or say the Brewers cheated by sloping the foul line.
Yahoo Sports dishes on Paul Skenes ...
Paul Skenes, the top pitching prospect in baseball and one of the most-hyped young arms in years, made his MLB debut for the Pirates on Saturday, working into the fifth and striking out seven in a 10-9 win over the Cubs.
Final line: 4.0 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 7 K | He threw 17 pitches of 100+ mph.
What makes Skenes special? The California native is built like a moose (6-foot-6, 235 pounds) and immediately assumes the mantle as MLB's hardest-throwing starter. "The fact that he's throwing 100 on its own is not wild," says Yahoo Sports' Jordan Shusterman. "But he's sitting 100 mph for full outings." Did I mention he also has a nasty "splinker"?
Path to the pros: Skenes was a two-way star at Air Force for two years before transferring to LSU, where he focused on pitching and authored one of the best seasons ever, going 13-2 (1.69 ERA) with an SEC-record 209 strikeouts in 19 starts for the national champs. His dominance continued in the minor leagues, where he mowed down hitters with ease.
Fun fact... Skenes is the first pitcher taken No. 1 overall to make his MLB debut the following season since Stephen Strasburg in 2010. The leadoff hitter in Strasburg's debut? Andrew McCutchen. The leadoff hitter in Skenes' debut? Andrew McCutchen.
MLB's Taylor Swift? Skenes' girlfriend is LSU gymnast and social media star Livvy Dunne, who's earned millions in NIL money. She was interviewed on Saturday and figures to get lots of camera time during future starts.
So ... what's the over/under on month/year Skenes gets his first Tommy John surgery?
Quote from: MU82 on May 13, 2024, 07:26:47 AM
Yahoo Sports dishes on Paul Skenes ...
Paul Skenes, the top pitching prospect in baseball and one of the most-hyped young arms in years, made his MLB debut for the Pirates on Saturday, working into the fifth and striking out seven in a 10-9 win over the Cubs.
Final line: 4.0 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 7 K | He threw 17 pitches of 100+ mph.
What makes Skenes special? The California native is built like a moose (6-foot-6, 235 pounds) and immediately assumes the mantle as MLB's hardest-throwing starter. "The fact that he's throwing 100 on its own is not wild," says Yahoo Sports' Jordan Shusterman. "But he's sitting 100 mph for full outings." Did I mention he also has a nasty "splinker"?
Path to the pros: Skenes was a two-way star at Air Force for two years before transferring to LSU, where he focused on pitching and authored one of the best seasons ever, going 13-2 (1.69 ERA) with an SEC-record 209 strikeouts in 19 starts for the national champs. His dominance continued in the minor leagues, where he mowed down hitters with ease.
Fun fact... Skenes is the first pitcher taken No. 1 overall to make his MLB debut the following season since Stephen Strasburg in 2010. The leadoff hitter in Strasburg's debut? Andrew McCutchen. The leadoff hitter in Skenes' debut? Andrew McCutchen.
MLB's Taylor Swift? Skenes' girlfriend is LSU gymnast and social media star Livvy Dunne, who's earned millions in NIL money. She was interviewed on Saturday and figures to get lots of camera time during future starts.
So ... what's the over/under on month/year Skenes gets his first Tommy John surgery?
There is hope for all of you goofy looking oafs. Just throw a baseball 800 miles an hour and this might be you
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/pittsburgh-pirates-starting-pitcher-paul-81695655.jpg?resize=1293,1536&quality=75&strip=all)
Quote from: MU82 on May 13, 2024, 07:26:47 AM
What makes Skenes special? The California native is built like a moose (6-foot-6, 235 pounds) and immediately assumes the mantle as MLB's hardest-throwing starter. "The fact that he's throwing 100 on its own is not wild," says Yahoo Sports' Jordan Shusterman. "But he's sitting 100 mph for full outings." Did I mention he also has a nasty "splinker"?
...
So ... what's the over/under on month/year Skenes gets his first Tommy John surgery?
Odds are that you're certainly right. There is an ouuuuutside chance Skenes is a freak in the Nolan Ryan mold. LSU did their best Dusty Baker-on-Mark Prior impression while Skenes was there, but he just keeps trucking. It helps that the most impressive thing about him is the gas on his fastball rather than his relying on filthy breaking stuff. But yeah odds are that his arm just falls off.
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 03, 2024, 12:46:26 PM
Brother Hippie:
I agree there is plenty of "talent" around, but not enough MAJOR LEAGUE talent. That's where I think the problem is. The pitching is just atrocious
Part of the problem is money, I agree. To retain talent, whether out of high school or college, takes huge bonuses and lots of development costs. Then, once they become arbitration eligible, you're screwed financially because arbitrators have been conditioned to look at home runs and batting average. And, to the romantic notion that somehow baseball will get a salary cap -- not going to happen in my or your lifetime!
Basically, you have to sell about 2.5 million tickets to be competitive and 3.5 million to consistently contend. Even then, the Cardinals are proving this year that with bad management and poor player development, a team can S-U-C-K, suck!
My nominees for contraction are Oakland, Kansas City (also having a stadium battle), Tampa Bay (stadium). At this point, it gets tough. I'd argue for Pittsburgh on grounds that even with the best stadium in the majors, it can't support a winner. From there, it's a crap shoot, but I'd surely keep Miami, Denver, Phoenix, all of which should be able with good ownership to be winnders.
Maybe we need to fire and replace owners!
If we're talking contraction, perhaps we should start with the teams that have never won a World Series. Saying KC should be contracted is laughable. Yes, they've had some horrible seasons, but I'd much rather endure some bad seasons after appearing in back-to-back Series and winning a championship (in the past decade, no less) than making the playoffs occasionally but never winning anything. As some have said, the issue is not too many teams. The NFL figured it out.
Not really saying if it's good or bad ... but as a long-time baseball fan and observer, it's stunning what's happened to the role of starting pitchers in a span of less than a decade.
Graphic from The Athletic:
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The demand for speed means max effort every pitch plus no one pitches to contact anymore, so they throw more pitches.
Add in analytics and the chart shows the result.
Quote from: Jockey on May 14, 2024, 08:28:36 AM
The demand for speed means max effort every pitch plus no one pitches to contact anymore, so they throw more pitches.
Add in analytics and the chart shows the result.
Yup. Radar guns on every scoreboard doesn't help. Guys don't mixup speed anymore other than straight changes.
Maddux, Buehrle, Blyleven ... would teams even sign pitchers like that any more?
Quote from: MU82 on May 14, 2024, 10:02:17 AM
Maddie, Buehrle, Blyleven ... would teams even sign pitchers like that any more?
Those guys could all throw hard when they needed to. They'd be turned into power pitchers.
Some organization will begin developing pitchers again to be complete pitchers like Maddux. Obviously, it takes talent to be Maddux but I think the art of pitching will be coached again as a market inefficiency.
Whether that changes the amount of injuries is questionable, but some team will try it at some point.
Quote from: Jockey on May 14, 2024, 08:28:36 AM
The demand for speed means max effort every pitch plus no one pitches to contact anymore, so they throw more pitches.
Add in analytics and the chart shows the result.
What gets measured gets managed.
Velocity, spin rate, and whiff % are so front of mind in how you progress to the show and stay there that it's entirely predictable that pitchers would continue to trend toward this one type of pitching strategy.
Happens offensively too: Launch angle. Next on deck? Bat speed.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 14, 2024, 10:44:41 AM
Those guys could all throw hard when they needed to. They'd be turned into power pitchers.
Some organization will begin developing pitchers again to be complete pitchers like Maddux. Obviously, it takes talent to be Maddux but I think the art of pitching will be coached again as a market inefficiency.
Whether that changes the amount of injuries is questionable, but some team will try it at some point.
Those guys could throw at an ok speed ... occasionally. They'd be laughed at today.
I'm not longing for days of yore, either. Sports change, athletes evolve, etc.
Despite a lot of inconsistency from the kids, Brewers have been fun through 5-15.
Chourio in striking out too much but the flashes of a 19 year-old figuring it out are fun. Betting on a big 2nd half
Ortiz always had the glove. If he keeps hitting like he is, he'll have been a big pickup in the Burnes trade and make the eventual Adames departure easier.
Turang plays steady defense and if he can keep that OBP at .350+ and steal bases, he's fine as your everyday 2B.
Frelick is probably not an everyday player but his glove makes it hard to take him out of the lineup. If he can figure out a way to get on-base more, he'll be a good 3/4 type.
Gasser has two starts and is flashing why they're high on him. We'll see where he is in a few weeks after facing tougher lineups and how he handles adversity but I'm pretty bullish on him as a good rotation piece. Not an ace but definitely a solid innings eater in 2024 terms.
Finally, through this point in the season, William Contreras is a MVP candidate and making an argument as the best catcher in the game. Kid has been an absolute stud
Tigers
Woooooooooof
That team ain't winning the central with an offense like this. Just so bad.
Testify. Whole team forgot how to hit.
Quote from: tower912 on May 15, 2024, 03:23:57 PM
Testify. Whole team forgot how to hit.
It's never good when Kyle Farmer and Manuel Margot could replace guys and improve production.
Tigers pitching is developing great tho. If they stay healthy.
Don't look now, but the mighty Chicago White Sox have won six of eight and are 9-5 this month.
Too soon to talk about playoffs?
Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2024, 05:33:52 PM
Don't look now, but the mighty Chicago White Sox have won six of eight and are 9-5 this month.
Too soon to talk about playoffs?
And the Colorado Rockies have won 7 straight. What a World Series it will be!
The Phillies have the best record in baseball.
But 44 games in they have played a grand total of 3 games against teams currently .500 or better.
Not only that, but those 3 games were against the Braves, which was their opening series back in March. So 41 straight games of sub .500 opponents.
Their next four games are against teams with sub .500 records so they should make it to at least 45 straight games (though the Padres and Nationals are close to .500 and could turn into .500 games for the Philies by then).
After the next four games, the Phillies play the 23-22 Rangers. If the Rangers lose their next series, they will also by sub .500. After that, the Phillies play the Rockies, Giants, and Cardinals, 3 more teams with sub .500 records. They will then finally play the Brewers a team that should have a solid winning record by that point.
Again, teams like the Padres, Nationals, Rangers, are all close to .500 so depending on how their next few weeks go, one or more of them could be a .500 team or better by the time they play the Brewers. But the Phillies have a real chance at playing 57 straight games against sub .500 opponents.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 16, 2024, 08:57:53 AM
The Phillies have the best record in baseball.
But 44 games in they have played a grand total of 3 games against teams currently .500 or better.
Not only that, but those 3 games were against the Braves, which was their opening series back in March. So 41 straight games of sub .500 opponents.
Their next four games are against teams with sub .500 records so they should make it to at least 45 straight games (though the Padres and Nationals are close to .500 and could turn into .500 games for the Philies by then).
After the next four games, the Phillies play the 23-22 Rangers. If the Rangers lose their next series, they will also by sub .500. After that, the Phillies play the Rockies, Giants, and Cardinals, 3 more teams with sub .500 records. They will then finally play the Brewers a team that should have a solid winning record by that point.
Again, teams like the Padres, Nationals, Rangers, are all close to .500 so depending on how their next few weeks go, one or more of them could be a .500 team or better by the time they play the Brewers. But the Phillies have a real chance at playing 57 straight games against sub .500 opponents.
That's absolutely wild. Consecutive Games Against Sub-.500 Opponents is not a streak I've ever paid attention to. I wonder how far of an outlier this streak is historically. I'd guess a huge outlier, but baseball has very strange number things in its long history.
This article makes a compelling argument for Javy Baez being literally the worst hitter in baseball.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/javier_baez_still_being_on_the_tigers_is_an_indictment_against_team_owner/s1_13132_40367673?.tsrc=1317
But oh, what a slider and tagger!
Quote from: MU82 on May 16, 2024, 11:09:12 AM
This article makes a compelling argument for Javy Baez being literally the worst hitter in baseball.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/javier_baez_still_being_on_the_tigers_is_an_indictment_against_team_owner/s1_13132_40367673?.tsrc=1317
But oh, what a slider and tagger!
As one of the biggest Mago stans for most of the late 2010s, it bums me out to see how he's fallen apart, on both sides of the game. He was a big part of the Cubs title and was a legitimate superstar in 2018-2019, so I'm happy he got paid and generationally set up his family. But man oh man. His dWAR stinks too, so its not even like he's providing value in the field. He was always a high risk, high reward kind of player, but sheesh.
This is a guy who, regardless of his form, had a highlight worthy play that would show up on Twitter or SC every other week or so. Now I can't remember the last time I saw Javy do something. The tagging, the clever base running, the charisma...it was all very justified praise and differentiation from other good SS's...when he was playing great. Like a flashy PG who throws a ton of no look dimes and wild layups (sup Kyrie). But if that guy is now 1-12 from the floor and has a 1-1 assist to TO ratio, nobody is talking about that anymore. Same for any reasonable Javy fan.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 16, 2024, 11:56:18 AM
As one of the biggest Mago stans for most of the late 2010s, it bums me out to see how he's fallen apart, on both sides of the game. He was a big part of the Cubs title and was a legitimate superstar in 2018-2019, so I'm happy he got paid and generationally set up his family. But man oh man. His dWAR stinks too, so its not even like he's providing value in the field. He was always a high risk, high reward kind of player, but sheesh.
This is a guy who, regardless of his form, had a highlight worthy play that would show up on Twitter or SC every other week or so. Now I can't remember the last time I saw Javy do something. The tagging, the clever base running, the charisma...it was all very justified praise and differentiation from other good SS's...when he was playing great. Like a flashy PG who throws a ton of no look dimes and wild layups (sup Kyrie). But if that guy is now 1-12 from the floor and has a 1-1 assist to TO ratio, nobody is talking about that anymore. Same for any reasonable Javy fan.
Saw a scout once say he's athletic and talented as anyone he'd ever seen. But warned he didn't have a feel for the game. Thinking about it, this makes some sense. Athleticism and talent can take you far in any sport but if you can't adjust or pick up on nuance in sport, you'll only get so far.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 15, 2024, 03:05:59 PM
Tigers
Woooooooooof
That team ain't winning the central with an offense like this. Just so bad.
If the Detroit Tigers are the definition of woooooof, then perhaps the St. Louis Cardinals need the Kristy Noem treatment!
Just take 'em out to a nearby quarry (there's got to be one somewhere in St. Louis), get a high-powered... well, you gun lovers know the rest. For the rest of you, think, e-t-e-r-n-a-l r-e-w-a-r-d. Except, given the way the Cardinals have played baseball lately, their eternal reward may not be what they're hoping for!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 16, 2024, 12:17:22 PM
Saw a scout once say he's athletic and talented as anyone he'd ever seen. But warned he didn't have a feel for the game. Thinking about it, this makes some sense. Athleticism and talent can take you far in any sport but if you can't adjust or pick up on nuance in sport, you'll only get so far.
I think thats pretty spot on. He was/is a very intuitive player. His instincts, especially defensively and on the base paths, were fantastic. But there is so much nuance and strategy and feel when it comes to long term batting success. Whether working counts, laying off certain hittable pitches that don't fit where you need to put the ball, working with the pitch instead of muscling it, etc... And he just never seemed to get that and as there was endless plate appearances on tape, pitchers started taking him apart.
And/or a guy who gets the contract and works just a little less...
Forgot twins played yanks this week
Speaking of woooooof offense
Quote from: JWags85 on May 16, 2024, 11:56:18 AM
As one of the biggest Mago stans for most of the late 2010s, it bums me out to see how he's fallen apart, on both sides of the game. He was a big part of the Cubs title and was a legitimate superstar in 2018-2019, so I'm happy he got paid and generationally set up his family. But man oh man. His dWAR stinks too, so its not even like he's providing value in the field. He was always a high risk, high reward kind of player, but sheesh.
This is a guy who, regardless of his form, had a highlight worthy play that would show up on Twitter or SC every other week or so. Now I can't remember the last time I saw Javy do something. The tagging, the clever base running, the charisma...it was all very justified praise and differentiation from other good SS's...when he was playing great. Like a flashy PG who throws a ton of no look dimes and wild layups (sup Kyrie). But if that guy is now 1-12 from the floor and has a 1-1 assist to TO ratio, nobody is talking about that anymore. Same for any reasonable Javy fan.
I think if you go into the archives you'll see that I said it was the worst signing of the year. I thought then (and still do) that he is finished.
The end of Orioles/White Sox was an all time bad call. I've seen a ton of baseball in my life, and have never seen that interference called like that.
It was absolutely insane.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on May 23, 2024, 10:02:50 PM
The end of Orioles/White Sox was an all time bad call. I've seen a ton of baseball in my life, and have never seen that interference called like that.
It was absolutely insane.
Brutal.
https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1793840566356398089?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 24, 2024, 04:31:03 AM
Brutal.
https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1793840566356398089?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
It's a good thing it happened in a meaningless game to a team 18.5 games out of first before June instead of the playoffs so it can be sure to never happen again.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 24, 2024, 06:14:34 AM
It's a good thing it happened in a meaningless game to a team 18.5 games out of first before June instead of the playoffs so it can be sure to never happen again.
If I'm Gunnar Henderson and a situation like that happened again (especially in a playoff game), I'd try to initiate contact with a base runner every time.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on May 24, 2024, 07:55:06 AM
If I'm Gunnar Henderson and a situation like that happened again (especially in a playoff game), I'd try to initiate contact with a base runner every time.
Without a doubt that what you do. You are not playing the game the right way if you're a fielder and you don't hunt baserunners for contact.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on May 24, 2024, 07:55:06 AM
If I'm Gunnar Henderson and a situation like that happened again (especially in a playoff game), I'd try to initiate contact with a base runner every time.
I don't disagree, which is why I hope baseball looks at this situation and clarifies. I think it was Peter Bukowski (or some other Packers dude on Twitter) who said that baseball has too many stupid and confusing rules. This is a perfect example. For years, as a base runner it was fine to slide into a base and try to ruin a double play attempt. Saying that what happened last night is not okay interference, but the slide thing is just fine... kinda silly. The baserunner wasn't watching the ball, and shouldn't have to try to avoid the fielder. Now, if he had grabbed him or whatever, then sure, make the interference argument... but where was the guy supposed to go? Wait for the infielder to catch the ball and potentially throw him out to end the game? He has to stay within the base lines as well.
Clarification from MLB should be swift.
On top of that, the infield fly rule was called so it didn't even matter that he caught it.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on May 24, 2024, 08:55:55 AM
On top of that, the infield fly rule was called so it didn't even matter that he caught it.
That's what I don't get. How can he even be called out when it's an auto out.
Maybe if he does actually interfere(he didn't) and it causes ball to kick away so him and guy on first advance then you make them go back.
But the out was always automatic. Crazy.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 24, 2024, 09:09:47 AM
That's what I don't get. How can he even be called out when it's an auto out.
Maybe if he does actually interfere(he didn't) and it causes ball to kick away so him and guy on first advance then you make them go back.
But the out was always automatic. Crazy.
The reality is most restaurants will not hold your reservation past 10-15 minutes of the set time. These umps got places to go and people to see.
Can we all just give the White Sox a "tip of the cap"? Not only 20.5 games out but, more impressively, 10.5 games out of 4th place by May 25th.
This is HS baseball, not MLB, but it's still pretty amazing: The center fielder tags a runner out ... at home plate!
https://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1794363234428047741?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1794363234428047741%7Ctwgr%5E77c01d5a67bd804b49946256a2fce6a68e2f6065%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Fathletic%2F5519572%2F2024%2F05%2F25%2Fcenter-fielder-tag-out-home-plate-viral%2F
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 26, 2024, 08:33:29 AM
Can we all just give the White Sox a "tip of the cap"? Not only 20.5 games out but, more impressively, 10.5 games out of 4th place by May 25th.
I have a bet with a friend from Denver. Rockies vs. Sox, most losses wins the bet. I like my chances.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 26, 2024, 08:33:29 AM
Can we all just give the White Sox a "tip of the cap"? Not only 20.5 games out but, more impressively, 10.5 games out of 4th place by May 25th.
Heck, even their new PBP guy has somehow gotten off to the worst start he possibly could have due to a combination of incompetence and arrogance. For someone who played college baseball, he has a startling lack of knowledge about the game and its history, and seems to have no feel for the weight of individual moments.
Ronald Acuña Jr. will miss the rest of the season after testing confirmed a torn ACL. Damn. Great player who is fun to watch.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on May 26, 2024, 07:21:34 PM
Heck, even their new PBP guy has somehow gotten off to the worst start he possibly could have due to a combination of incompetence and arrogance. For someone who played college baseball, he has a startling lack of knowledge about the game and its history, and seems to have no feel for the weight of individual moments.
Consistent incompetence across the franchise.
People made a big deal of it at the time, but the Kimbrel for Madrigal/Heuer trade was a dumpster fire for both teams.
I tried to warn Cub fans how much I hated Madrigal at the time of the trade, and how terrible a ball player he was/is.
Angel Hernandez has made his last terrible call.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 27, 2024, 08:23:09 PM
Angel Hernandez has made his last terrible call.
I'll never forget the heroic moment Schwarber stood up for the Brewers.
Here come those Redlegs.
Found the next culture war hot spot:
https://x.com/russ_dorsey1/status/1795562463343079666?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2024, 04:24:52 PM
Found the next culture war hot spot:
https://x.com/russ_dorsey1/status/1795562463343079666?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Tonight on Hannity, the woke mob comes for Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio.
Gibson batting .466 in 1943, good gravy
Ben Brown is certainly going to throw a no hitter tonight.
Revenge of da Craigs, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 28, 2024, 08:33:58 PM
Revenge of da Craigs, hey?
Your first post this season in this thread is tonight. Stunning.
I can appreciate a fine pitchin' performance, hey?
Wonder if Brown is speakin' ta Craig or is he too busy rippin' a urinal off the clubhouse wall, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 28, 2024, 08:37:46 PM
I can appreciate a fine pitchin' performance, hey?
Brewers pitching has given up 10 runs in the last (nearly) 6 games. Some pretty fine pitching that we have seen.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 28, 2024, 08:42:28 PM
Brewers pitching has given up 10 runs in the last (nearly) 6 games. Some pretty fine pitching that we have seen.
Suspect 4elder has been warning Cubs fans what a bad manager Craig is after telling us that the last few years
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2024, 08:43:29 PM
Suspect 4elder has been warning Cubs fans what a bad manager Craig is after telling us that the last few years
And Giannis and Jordan Love should be traded.
Quote from: Mutaman on May 27, 2024, 11:06:47 PM
Here come those Redlegs.
You mean, here come the Redbirds -- as in the St. Louis Cardinals!
Absolutely shocked at the resurgence this team has had as of late May. I honestly didn't think they had it in them.
It's a long season as as much of a Cardinals fan as I am, I'm not sure this is anywhere close to sustainable.
We shall see.
Only conclusion you can really make about the NL Central so far is that nobody is great. A few decent teams that all have flaws. 88 wins is probably enough to take the division.
Damn, that reporter tried to give Lopez a broken english cop out for stupidity and he doubled down
Twins were classy last year labeling his leave he took due to simply being terrible as mental health struggles. Nope, just a bad baseball player with a worse attitude.
Tough break at AmFam this week for 4elder
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 29, 2024, 08:21:54 PM
Damn, that reporter tried to give Lopez a broken english cop out for stupidity and he doubled down
Twins were classy last year labeling his leave he took due to simply being terrible as mental health struggles. Nope, just a bad baseball player with a worse attitude.
Considering what's going on with his son's serious health issue (awaiting an intestinal transplant), this is a rough take on his mental health.
The Brewers better not get to cute facing the AAA team from Chicago. Should be a sweep served on a platter this weekend.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2024, 08:13:08 PM
The Brewers better not get to cute facing the AAA team from Chicago. Should be a sweep served on a platter this weekend.
Not really how baseball works.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2024, 08:13:08 PM
The Brewers better not get to cute facing the AAA team from Chicago. Should be a sweep served on a platter this weekend.
Brewers retook the lead. 4elder's week is a total disaster at this point
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2024, 08:13:08 PM
The Brewers better not get to cute facing the AAA team from Chicago. Should be a sweep served on a platter this weekend.
They didn't. Took 3 out of 4.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 31, 2024, 08:25:42 PM
Brewers retook the lead. 4elder's week is a total disaster at this point
Nah, its a great week bastin' in da sun. But tanks four playin', hey?
Quote from: wadesworld on May 31, 2024, 08:14:30 PM
Not really how baseball works.
I get what you are saying (even the bad teams win 30% of the time), but it is actually ok to underestimate the Sox. The Sox starting catcher is batting .079 :o
Quote from: wadesworld on May 31, 2024, 08:14:30 PM
Not really how baseball works.
Quality series by the Brew Crew. Took care of business.
Sox running themselves out of the eighth was pretty bad stuff fundamentally.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 02, 2024, 03:47:48 PM
Sox running themselves out of the eighth was pretty bad stuff fundamentally.
Seriously, the Sox are not good at anything. Plus, its not like it's a group of young guys who figure to get better. A good argument could be made they will get worse when they unload some of the OK players.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 02, 2024, 03:47:48 PM
Sox running themselves out of the eighth was pretty bad stuff fundamentally.
Counterpoint: Sending Pham was 100% the correct decision.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 02, 2024, 03:57:02 PM
Counterpoint: Sending Pham was 100% the correct decision.
Eh. That wasn't deep enough.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 02, 2024, 03:57:02 PM
Counterpoint: Sending Pham was 100% the correct decision.
Pham said "It was a shallow flyball to left field. You would expect the left fielder to throw the baserunner out on that play," he said. "The third base coach (Eddie Rodriguez) sends you, you've got to go. I'm nailed out at home by a mile."
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 02, 2024, 05:59:04 PM
Pham said "It was a shallow flyball to left field. You would expect the left fielder to throw the baserunner out on that play," he said. "The third base coach (Eddie Rodriguez) sends you, you've got to go. I'm nailed out at home by a mile."
Given a clear path...doesn't use it...Contreras chirps as a result...and Pham wants to fight?
What a dumpster fire.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 02, 2024, 06:06:29 PM
Given a clear path...doesn't use it...Contreras chirps as a result...and Pham wants to fight?
What a dumpster fire.
I think that is what Pham thinks and he's pissed. Called out the third base coach in the media. Not a good sign. One of about 100 bad signs.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 02, 2024, 05:59:04 PM
Pham said "It was a shallow flyball to left field. You would expect the left fielder to throw the baserunner out on that play," he said. "The third base coach (Eddie Rodriguez) sends you, you've got to go. I'm nailed out at home by a mile."
Not sure Pham making an excuse for his bad baserunning is the authority here.
If you don't send him, you've got .237 hitting Gavin Sheets coming up next with two outs.
I'm taking my chances that Pham has a 24% chance to score on Christian Yelich in that situation.
How slow do you have to be to get gunned down by Yelich?
Quote from: Pakuni on June 02, 2024, 07:00:59 PM
Not sure Pham making an excuse for his bad baserunning is the authority here.
If you don't send him, you've got .237 hitting Gavin Sheets coming up next with two outs.
I'm taking my chances that Pham has a 24% chance to score on Christian Yelich in that situation.
Was at the game, and I agree with this take. The misplayed bunt before that though... yikes. You go right away or you don't go at all
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on June 02, 2024, 07:13:35 PM
How slow do you have to be to get gunned down by Yelich?
Pretty Pham slow.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 02, 2024, 07:00:59 PM
Not sure Pham making an excuse for his bad baserunning is the authority here.
If you don't send him, you've got .237 hitting Gavin Sheets coming up next with two outs.
I'm taking my chances that Pham has a 24% chance to score on Christian Yelich in that situation.
Fuzzy math. First, there are ways to score from 3rd with 2 outs that don't include a Sheets hit - error, passed ball, wild pitch, etc. Second, being thrown out at the plate eliminates the chance of scoring multiple runs.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 02, 2024, 07:49:06 PM
Fuzzy math. First, there are ways to score from 3rd with 2 outs that don't include a Sheets hit - error, passed ball, wild pitch, etc. Second, being thrown out at the plate eliminates the chance of scoring multiple runs.
LOL. There are about 6 wild pitches/passed balls per 1,000 pitches in MLB these days. And the Brewers are statistically one of the best defensive teams in the league.
Fine, a bump that up a percentage point. Maybe two. Massive difference.
And the idea that in the eighth inning of a one-run game a team should bypass a strong opportunity to tie for another at bat is ridiculous. And that's not even accounting for the fact that the White Sox are BY FAR the worst run-generating team in the league.
It really wasn't that deep though. It was a fairly routine throw.
Anyway, John Schriffen's take on the whole thing was pretty dumb.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 02, 2024, 08:06:28 PM
It really wasn't that deep though. It was a fairly routine throw.
And Yelich's arm is below average.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 02, 2024, 08:11:15 PM
Anyway, John Schriffen's take on the whole thing was pretty dumb.
Is that the Sox tv guy?
The whole "we ain't taking that from the Brewers" thing was tortured. I mean... they absolutely did take it.
But Contreras waving goodbye to Pham after the tag was ice cold. But Contreras has played like an MVP contender. He's earned the right to chirp.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 02, 2024, 08:11:15 PM
Anyway, John Schriffen's take on the whole thing was pretty dumb.
He has lost all credibility with Sox fans. Beyond a shill for the organization. He deserves all the crap coming to him. He had the arrogance/stupidity to suggest the Sox record is so bad because "they keep catching teams at the wrong time". ::)
The all time loss record is seriously in play, so maybe something historic will happen. Get your popcorn!
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 02, 2024, 08:11:15 PM
Anyway, John Schriffen's take on the whole thing was pretty dumb.
He's not good.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 02, 2024, 08:18:03 PM
But Contreras waving goodbye to Pham after the tag was ice cold. But Contreras has played like an MVP contender. He's earned the right to chirp.
He should chirp. Pham ran onto the infield grass to try and make contact with Contreras while the whole plate was open.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 02, 2024, 08:04:08 PM
LOL. There are about 6 wild pitches/passed balls per 1,000 pitches in MLB these days. And the Brewers are statistically one of the best defensive teams in the league.
Fine, a bump that up a percentage point. Maybe two. Massive difference.
And the idea that in the eighth inning of a one-run game a team should bypass a strong opportunity to tie for another at bat is ridiculous. And that's not even accounting for the fact that the White Sox are BY FAR the worst run-generating team in the league.
I didn't see the play. Other posters said he was out easily, out by a mile. You were the one who put the chances of Pham scoring on that play at 24% which statistically was slightly better than Sheets getting a hit (23.7%). But you didn't account for other ways the Sox could score in that situation other than a Sheet's hit - an error, wild pitch, passed ball, a walk or hbp followed by a hit by the next guy or an error, etc., etc. Sheets also could have hit a HR. And multiple runs could have been scored too many other ways to even list them. So your math (based on a 24% chance) is wrong, plain and simple. If his chance to score was 35% you probably have an argument.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 02, 2024, 09:12:40 PM
I didn't see the play. Other posters said he was out easily, out by a mile. You were the one who put the chances of Pham scoring on that play at 24% which statistically was slightly better than Sheets getting a hit (23.7%). But you didn't account for other ways the Sox could score in that situation other than a Sheet's hit - an error, wild pitch, passed ball, a walk or hbp followed by a hit by the next guy or an error, etc., etc. Sheets also could have hit a HR. And multiple runs could have been scored too many other ways to even list them. So your math (based on a 24% chance) is wrong, plain and simple. If his chance to score was 35% you probably have an argument.
1. It was clear to everyone, except you perhaps, that I was suggesting Pham had a 24% or better chance of scoring on that play.
2. You're miles off the mark if you believe there was a better than 10% chance of him scoring on a wild pitch, passed ball or error in that situation.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 02, 2024, 08:18:03 PM
Is that the Sox tv guy?
The whole "we ain't taking that from the Brewers" thing was tortured. I mean... they absolutely did take it.
That's what I didn't understand about the whole thing. There was no fight. There was no retaliation. In the bottom half, the Sox gave up two on a weak single and then went out without a peep in the ninth.
And poor Steve Stone, who is really good, has to work with this guy.
For the reasons Pakuni outlined, I also would have sent him. Also, Tommy Pham (as a dude) seems awful.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 03, 2024, 09:23:35 AM
For the reasons Pakuni outlined, I also would have sent him. Also, Tommy Pham (as a dude) seems awful.
Spent a lot of time in the Cardinals organization.
Also, I'll confess to not being 100% up to date on all of the recent rule tweaks, but is there a reason why Pham ran inside on the basepath rather than in foul territory with something more like a hook slide? I guess maybe thinking his body would interrupt the throwing lane? Trying to bait an catcher-blocking-plate call? I just would have figured a little more evasive maneuver on the foul-side of the line would have given him at least a fighting chance.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 03, 2024, 10:03:54 AM
Also, I'll confess to not being 100% up to date on all of the recent rule tweaks, but is there a reason why Pham ran inside on the basepath rather than in foul territory with something more like a hook slide? I guess maybe thinking his body would interrupt the throwing lane? Trying to bait an catcher-blocking-plate call? I just would have figured a little more evasive maneuver on the foul-side of the line would have given him at least a fighting chance.
He was trying to bait a call. He knew he was out by a mile.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 02, 2024, 07:00:59 PM
Not sure Pham making an excuse for his bad baserunning is the authority here.
If you don't send him, you've got .237 hitting Gavin Sheets coming up next with two outs.
I'm taking my chances that Pham has a 24% chance to score on Christian Yelich in that situation.
What about a pinch hitter for sheets? Also, don't know about this guys stats, but looks like he put in the work.
https://community.fangraphs.com/are-third-base-coaches-too-hesitant-in-sacrifice-fly-situations/ (https://community.fangraphs.com/are-third-base-coaches-too-hesitant-in-sacrifice-fly-situations/)
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 03, 2024, 09:23:35 AM
For the reasons Pakuni outlined, I also would have sent him. Also, Tommy Pham (as a dude) seems awful.
Publicly called out the third-base coach. Bad form.
And while I've only heard this Sox announcer in clips, what I have heard makes him sound like one of the worst p-b-p guys ever. He should have been embarrassed by that call.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 03, 2024, 11:51:30 AM
What about a pinch hitter for sheets? Also, don't know about this guys stats, but looks like he put in the work.
https://community.fangraphs.com/are-third-base-coaches-too-hesitant-in-sacrifice-fly-situations/ (https://community.fangraphs.com/are-third-base-coaches-too-hesitant-in-sacrifice-fly-situations/)
I don't think they had anyone better than Sheets.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 03, 2024, 11:51:30 AM
What about a pinch hitter for sheets?
Due to injuries, the bench options at that point of the game were Martin Maldonado (.079 hitter) and Danny Mendick (.218 hitter). Both are right-handed hitters, and the Brewers had a right-handed pitcher in the game.
And my guess is the 3rd base coach doesn't make decisions on whether or not to send a runner on a supposition that the manager might pull the next hitter out of the on-deck circle to sub in a worse hitter.
Brewers are playing good
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 03, 2024, 01:49:35 PM
Brewers are playing good
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Quote from: Pakuni on June 03, 2024, 12:48:14 PM
Due to injuries, the bench options at that point of the game were Martin Maldonado (.079 hitter) and Danny Mendick (.218 hitter). Both are right-handed hitters, and the Brewers had a right-handed pitcher in the game.
And my guess is the 3rd base coach doesn't make decisions on whether or not to send a runner on a supposition that the manager might pull the next hitter out of the on-deck circle to sub in a worse hitter.
My favorite thing going around about Maldonado right now is his batting avg is legally sober.
Strike up the band for the White Sox!!
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What a bunch of dweebs.
Oops. I mean, what a bunch of people who understand and appreciate great baseball.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 12, 2024, 09:43:31 AM
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What a bunch of dweebs.
Oops. I mean, what a bunch of people who understand and appreciate great baseball.
The dude doffing his cap not once but twice made my insides crawl
Quote from: JWags85 on June 12, 2024, 10:14:32 AM
The dude doffing his cap not once but twice made my insides crawl
Lol yup.
Live by the aggressive base running, die by the aggressive base running
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 14, 2024, 11:02:02 PM
Live by the aggressive base running, die by the aggressive base running
Wow, and the Crew get em back two days later.
I don't know if aggressive baserunning is analytically the best strategy, but it has led to a lot of fun endings this season
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 16, 2024, 03:58:59 PM
Wow, and the Crew get em back two days later.
I don't know if aggressive baserunning is analytically the best strategy, but it has led to a lot of fun endings this season
Keep waiting for the Crew to crash but they have been a fun team this year.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 16, 2024, 04:08:25 PM
Keep waiting for the Crew to crash but they have been a fun team this year.
Same. I'm not really sure what the underlying numbers say about the likelihood of a strong regression, but the record doesn't seem fluky when looking solely at run differential.
This Cubs season is quickly turning into a disaster.
Royce Lewis is special
......when he plays.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on June 17, 2024, 10:21:30 PM
This Cubs season is quickly turning into a disaster.
They should have hired Pat Murphy
Quote from: DegenerateDish on June 17, 2024, 10:21:30 PM
This Cubs season is quickly turning into a disaster.
They gotta work really hard if they're gonna catch down to the White Sox.
Rockies are very bad. Dodgers are elite
So this happened....
9-4 Rockies in the 9th.
Hayward pinch hit grand slame
Hernandez go ahead 3 run homer.
11-9 Dodgers.
I "get" that WAR doesn't work like this, but sure feels like Frelick should get a whole dang 1.0 added to his WAR for that robbery last night.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 18, 2024, 10:34:33 PM
Rockies are very bad. Dodgers are elite
So this happened....
9-4 Rockies in the 9th.
Hayward pinch hit grand slame
Hernandez go ahead 3 run homer.
11-9 Dodgers.
After a brutal call on what should have been strike three to Hernandez.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 19, 2024, 09:25:06 AM
After a brutal call on what should have been strike three to Hernandez.
Yeah I didn't see that til this morning
Former Twins all time bad trade Jake Cave lost his sh it in RF after the homer
I've been vocal about my Correa announce in the past. But holy hell is he on a heater right now.
Even before this insane hot streak, he was having a very quality year(OPS+ of 125 which is his career number prior to his 5 hit game last Thursday).
Free and clear of the plantar fasciitis and he's a whole new player. Will never be fast but runs and moves way better.
Currently slashing .317/.379/.517 with a 155 OPS+
Will be interesting to see if he can stabilize solidly when he inevitably cools off.
Reggie Jackson was asked during last night's pregame show about his memories of Birmingham. His response was gut-wrenching to hear live. And now, reading the transcript, even moreso:
"Coming back here is not easy. The racism when I played here, the difficulty of going through different places where we traveled. Fortunately, I had a manager and I had players on the team that helped me get through it. But I wouldn't wish it on anybody. People said to me today, I spoke, and they said, 'Do you think you're a better person, do you think you won when you played here and conquered?' I said, 'You know, I would never want to do it again.'
"I walked into restaurants, and they would point at me and say, 'The n***** can't eat here.' I would go to a hotel, and they would say, 'The n***** can't stay here.' We went to [Kansas City Athletics owner] Charlie Finley's country club for a welcome home dinner, and they pointed me out with the N-word: 'He can't come in here.' Finley marched the whole team out. Finally, they let me in there. He said, 'We're going to go to the diner and eat hamburgers. We'll go where we're wanted.'"
"Fortunately, I had a manager in Johnny McNamara that, if I couldn't eat in the place, nobody would eat. We'd get food to travel. If I couldn't stay in a hotel, they'd drive to the next hotel and find a place where I could stay. Had it not been for Rollie Fingers, Johnny McNamara, Dave Duncan, Joe and Sharon Rudi, I slept on their couch three, four nights a week for about a month and a half. Finally, they were threatened that they would burn our apartment complex down unless I got out. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
"The year I came here, Bull Connor was the sheriff the year before, and they took minor-league baseball out of here because in 1963, the Klan murdered four Black girls — children 11, 12, 14 years old — at a church here and never got indicted. The Klan — Life Magazine did a story on them like they were being honored.
"I wouldn't wish it on anyone. At the same time, had it not been for my white friends, had it not been for a white manager, and Rudi, Fingers and Duncan, and Lee Meyers, I would never have made it. I was too physically violent. I was ready to physically fight some — I would have got killed here because I would have beat someone's ass, and you would have saw me in an oak tree somewhere."
Wow. That was less than 60 years ago, and there are still plenty of Americans today who think the way those racists did back then. My heart goes out to every person - and not just athletes - who had to go through it. Some didn't make it out alive.
Quote from: MU82 on June 21, 2024, 07:28:06 AM
Reggie Jackson was asked during last night's pregame show about his memories of Birmingham. His response was gut-wrenching to hear live. And now, reading the transcript, even moreso:
"Coming back here is not easy. The racism when I played here, the difficulty of going through different places where we traveled. Fortunately, I had a manager and I had players on the team that helped me get through it. But I wouldn't wish it on anybody. People said to me today, I spoke, and they said, 'Do you think you're a better person, do you think you won when you played here and conquered?' I said, 'You know, I would never want to do it again.'
"I walked into restaurants, and they would point at me and say, 'The n***** can't eat here.' I would go to a hotel, and they would say, 'The n***** can't stay here.' We went to [Kansas City Athletics owner] Charlie Finley's country club for a welcome home dinner, and they pointed me out with the N-word: 'He can't come in here.' Finley marched the whole team out. Finally, they let me in there. He said, 'We're going to go to the diner and eat hamburgers. We'll go where we're wanted.'"
"Fortunately, I had a manager in Johnny McNamara that, if I couldn't eat in the place, nobody would eat. We'd get food to travel. If I couldn't stay in a hotel, they'd drive to the next hotel and find a place where I could stay. Had it not been for Rollie Fingers, Johnny McNamara, Dave Duncan, Joe and Sharon Rudi, I slept on their couch three, four nights a week for about a month and a half. Finally, they were threatened that they would burn our apartment complex down unless I got out. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
"The year I came here, Bull Connor was the sheriff the year before, and they took minor-league baseball out of here because in 1963, the Klan murdered four Black girls — children 11, 12, 14 years old — at a church here and never got indicted. The Klan — Life Magazine did a story on them like they were being honored.
"I wouldn't wish it on anyone. At the same time, had it not been for my white friends, had it not been for a white manager, and Rudi, Fingers and Duncan, and Lee Meyers, I would never have made it. I was too physically violent. I was ready to physically fight some — I would have got killed here because I would have beat someone's ass, and you would have saw me in an oak tree somewhere."
Wow. That was less than 60 years ago, and there are still plenty of Americans today who think the way those racists did back then. My heart goes out to every person - and not just athletes - who had to go through it. Some didn't make it out alive.
I'd like to see Reggie spend a day in Caitlin Clark's shoes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2024, 07:30:50 AM
I'd like to see Reggie spend a day in Caitlin Clark's shoes
Well, he's heterosexual. So he knows part of her pain.
Shota Imanaga's ERA went from 1.89 to 2.96 in a span of about an hour today, as he gave up 10 runs in 3 innings to the Mets.
The Mets were the first team to have faced Imanaga twice this season; the first time, he shut them out on 3 hits over 7 innings.
NY players felt Imanaga's fastball lacked the same pop as the first time, and Counsell said "we're continuing to take a look at that" ... suggesting it's an ongoing concern?
Nationals lose to the Rockies on a walk-off pitch-clock violation.
https://sports.yahoo.com/rockies-win-on-unprecedented-walk-off-pitch-clock-violation-042341966.html?.tsrc=1317
Quote from: MU82 on June 24, 2024, 06:30:53 AM
Nationals lose to the Rockies on a walk-off pitch-clock violation.
https://sports.yahoo.com/rockies-win-on-unprecedented-walk-off-pitch-clock-violation-042341966.html?.tsrc=1317
Wasn't even close. It looks like the ump even gave him a good extra second. I suppose that's why the pitcher didn't complain.
Willi Castro has a OPS+ of 128 with 6 position defensive versatility
Luis Arraez has a OPS+ of 108 as a slap hitting 1B who runs and plays D like one of mugs fat sea creatures on land.
It'd be nice if Pablo López can balance his era with his FIP at some point. But boy was that a good trade.
Ok, 81 games into the season, the Sox are 21-60 and they will be trading the few decent players they have; I am going to say that the Sox are on pace to and project to be 120 loss team. Fair?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 26, 2024, 08:24:43 AM
Ok, 81 games into the season, the Sox are 21-60 and they will be trading the few decent players they have; I am going to say that the Sox are on pace to and project to be 120 loss team. Fair?
They literally are on pace for a 120 loss season.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 26, 2024, 08:24:43 AM
Ok, 81 games into the season, the Sox are 21-60 and they will be trading the few decent players they have; I am going to say that the Sox are on pace to and project to be 120 loss team. Fair?
Like Sultan said, that is mathematically their current pace, but I would take the under on 120 losses (over on 42 wins). Fanduel currently has their number at 49.5.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 26, 2024, 09:11:33 AM
Like Sultan said, that is mathematically their current pace, but I would take the under on 120 losses (over on 42 wins). Fanduel currently has their number at 49.5.
I get it. I was accurately corrected earlier in the season on pace vs projected. At some point the pace and projection will line up. After 81 games I think we are getting close to the intersection of both. But maybe we have to wait till game 160ish?
If the don't move players, I think they should get to 50 wins. But if they don't move players, the apathy will only grow. JR named Getz the GM to speed up the turnaround. ::) and poor Getz was getting crushed 2 minutes after he got the job and now this. The guy had no business getting a MLB GM job, but it's not his fault he was offered the job.
They actually could get better if they DO move players, who would be replaced by, theoretically, younger and hungrier players.
I mean, would they actually get worse?
Compounding matters is the White Sox farm system isn't all that great.
I respect determination
But at some point Dallas Keuchel has to have the self respect to realize his career as a MLB pitcher has been done for years
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 26, 2024, 03:20:15 PM
I respect determination
But at some point Dallas Keuchel has to have the self respect to realize his career as a MLB pitcher has been done for years
He'll gain that level of self respect at about the same time that GMs stop throwing him $700k every year. Those two things often go hand-in-hand.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 26, 2024, 03:20:15 PM
I respect determination
But at some point Dallas Keuchel has to have the self respect to realize his career as a MLB pitcher has been done for years
I think the brewers are just hoping he can eat some innings over the next 3-4 weeks and if he happens to catch lightning in a bottle, great.
Brewers at 48-33 at the halfway point. Some fans of the team in shambles
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 26, 2024, 04:08:46 PM
He'll gain that level of self respect at about the same time that GMs stop throwing him $700k every year. Those two things often go hand-in-hand.
Can make money like that by not getting shelled pretty easily in retirement as a former player
Today the Crew treated us to a Grand Slam, and inside the park home run, and an extra innings walk off by the teams worst hitter.
This team is a ton of fun
Quote from: MU82 on June 26, 2024, 03:04:27 PM
They actually could get better if they DO move players, who would be replaced by, theoretically, younger and hungrier players.
I mean, would they actually get worse?
You think they have minor leaguers better than Crochet, Fedde and Robert? Pass me the crack pipe, bro.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 26, 2024, 09:29:30 PM
You think they have minor leaguers better than Crochet, Fedde and Robert? Pass me the crack pipe, bro.
Who?
Quote from: MU82 on June 26, 2024, 09:42:21 PM
Who?
Sorry, Mike. Didn't know this was one of those times when you offer an opinion on a subject you don't follow and know nothing about. My bad.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 26, 2024, 10:44:48 PM
Sorry, Mike. Didn't know this was one of those times when you offer an opinion on a subject you don't follow and know nothing about. My bad.
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Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 26, 2024, 10:44:48 PM
Sorry, Mike. Didn't know this was one of those times when you offer an opinion on a subject you don't follow and know nothing about. My bad.
One doesn't have to know a single White Sox player to look at their record and surmise that they probably couldn't do any worse with different players - young guys who might actually give 2 sh!ts.
But that was a decent burn, Tony. For you. So congrats.
The White Sox are going into the easiest stretch of the season, 3-7 in the next ten games is very doable. Let that sink in. :o
Quote from: MU82 on June 27, 2024, 06:59:19 AM
One doesn't have to know a single White Sox player to look at their record and surmise that they probably couldn't do any worse with different players
Garret Crochet was a 1st round draft choice in 2020. He is 6-6, 3.05 ERA, 0.94
WHIP (6th best in the league), 130 Ks (2nd in the league). Eric Fedde was also a 1st round draft choice (2014). He is 5-3, 3.23 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 91 Ks.
Between them the have a 3.15 ERA and 221 Ks in 194 innings. Their combined record is 11-9. The combined record of the rest of the Sox pitchers is 10-52.
Assuming that the Sox could replace these guys with a couple of minor leaguers and not be worse makes zero sense.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 27, 2024, 12:05:25 PM
Garret Crochet was a 1st round draft choice in 2020. He is 6-6, 3.05 ERA, 0.94
WHIP (6th best in the league), 130 Ks (2nd in the league). Eric Fedde was also a 1st round draft choice (2014). He is 5-3, 3.23 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 91 Ks.
Between them the have a 3.15 ERA and 221 Ks in 194 innings. Their combined record is 11-9. The combined record of the rest of the Sox pitchers is 10-52.
Assuming that the Sox could replace these guys with a couple of minor leaguers and not be worse makes zero sense.
Feddie is almost certainly going to regress to the mean. Maybe he has a good year but he's not a long term piece and is the exact guy you trade now while his value is high.
And getting worse than what they are matters little
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 27, 2024, 12:05:25 PM
Garret Crochet was a 1st round draft choice in 2020. He is 6-6, 3.05 ERA, 0.94
WHIP (6th best in the league), 130 Ks (2nd in the league). Eric Fedde was also a 1st round draft choice (2014). He is 5-3, 3.23 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 91 Ks.
Between them the have a 3.15 ERA and 221 Ks in 194 innings. Their combined record is 11-9. The combined record of the rest of the Sox pitchers is 10-52.
Assuming that the Sox could replace these guys with a couple of minor leaguers and not be worse makes zero sense.
The Sox should and will trade Fedde.
They would be insane not to
The Tigers have to completely blow it up offensively if they want any chance to compete in the Central in the years to come
The top 3 teams are all mostly set on that side of the diamond for years to come.
It looks like it. Baez isn't going to come back and start hitting. Carpenter might, but when? Torkleson and Meadows were sent to Toledo because they forgot how to hit. Perez started out hot but has cooled. Keith is progressing, but slowly. Dragging Canha and Urshela down.
Very frustrating to again be sellers and not buyers.
Happy, Cubs are in last place day!
Crew wins. Thank god they kept Pat Murphy and didn't pay Greg Council
If I were the Cubs I'd simply score more runs than my opponent.
Brewers scored their only runs by...
-Walk
-Fielder's choice
-Catcher interference
-Weak infield single that the pitcher tried to backhand - maybe an out if he let it go
-Churrio GS on a 1-2 count where he looked awful til he hung a curveball.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 29, 2024, 06:35:48 AM
Brewers scored their only runs by...
-Walk
-Fielder's choice
-Catcher interference
-Weak infield single that the pitcher tried to backhand - maybe an out if he let it go
-Churrio GS on a 1-2 count where he looked awful til he hung a curveball.
The Murphy Difference
Chourio in June compared to all other rookies:
AVG: .318 (2nd)
OBP: .361 (3rd)
SLG: .545 (2nd)
OPS: .906 (2nd)
RBI: 16 (2nd)
Kids coming. Following the pattern at all his other stops.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 29, 2024, 09:10:53 AM
Chourio in June compared to all other rookies:
AVG: .318 (2nd)
OBP: .361 (3rd)
SLG: .545 (2nd)
OPS: .906 (2nd)
RBI: 16 (2nd)
Kids coming. Following the pattern at all his other stops.
Meh. Not #1 in anything.
If you can't laugh at this, you have no sense of humor.
Well, that was something.
Hard to imagine a more inept inning in the field.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 28, 2024, 09:37:55 PM
Crew wins. Thank god they kept Pat Murphy and didn't pay Greg Council
Who, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2024, 08:19:49 PM
Who, hey?
The guy you wanted fired for the last few years
Could have sworn da dude goes by Craig, aina?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 29, 2024, 09:12:27 PM
The guy you wanted fired for the last few years
looks like he was actually right on that one.
Imagine cheering for a team that pays a boat load for an inferior manager in the division. Couldn't be me.
Another series win for the Crew. On pace for 98 wins. Fun team
After a horrendous first couple months, Kyle Hendricks had pitched well for the Cubs in June ... until today.
In addition to being 16 games over .500, the Brewers have one of baseball's better minor league systems. Look for this dude to be in the bullpen soon
https://x.com/brewersfarm/status/1807838375170527451?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 01, 2024, 01:44:45 PM
In addition to being 16 games over .500, the Brewers have one of baseball's better minor league systems. Look for this dude to be in the bullpen soon
https://x.com/brewersfarm/status/1807838375170527451?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Sure, sex is great. But have you ever watched a guy with a great changeup who can locate his high fastball?
Tim Anderson DFA'd by the Marlins.
Can't think of a guy who fell off so far and so fast during what should have still been prime/high-performing years for non-injury or off-field issues.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 02, 2024, 11:34:14 AM
Tim Anderson DFA'd by the Marlins.
Can't think of a guy who fell off so far and so fast during what should have still been prime/high-performing years for non-injury or off-field issues.
Chicago sports franchises do that to athletes.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 02, 2024, 11:34:14 AM
Tim Anderson DFA'd by the Marlins.
Can't think of a guy who fell off so far and so fast during what should have still been prime/high-performing years for non-injury or off-field issues.
TA had plenty of off-field issues
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on July 02, 2024, 12:02:02 PM
TA had plenty of off-field issues
No he didn't.
Guy is a bozo would likes to yap and annoyed the Sox when his play declined.
But "off the field issues" isn't what that refers to.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 02, 2024, 12:56:25 PM
No he didn't.
Guy is a bozo would likes to yap and annoyed the Sox when his play declined.
But "off the field issues" isn't what that refers to.
Having children outside of a marriage and having it posted all over social for everyone to see is exactly that. I'll assume you don't have all the details.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on July 02, 2024, 01:11:32 PM
Having children outside of a marriage and having it posted all over social for everyone to see is exactly that. I'll assume you don't have all the details.
Lol if baby mammas on social media with no legal problems is the barometer for legal issues that point to decline of an athlete
Sports are fu cked.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 02, 2024, 01:13:21 PM
Lol if baby mammas on social media with no legal problems is the barometer for legal issues that point to decline of an athlete
Sports are fu cked.
Not a single person said "legal issues", so not sure why you pulled that out of your ass. And if you think "off-field" problems are only based on legality, idk what to tell ya.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on July 02, 2024, 01:11:32 PM
Having children outside of a marriage and having it posted all over social for everyone to see is exactly that. I'll assume you don't have all the details.
Having a child outside of marriage is off field issues to you? Get off your catholic high horse.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on July 02, 2024, 01:19:16 PM
Not a single person said "legal issues", so not sure why you pulled that out of your ass. And if you think "off-field" problems are only based on legality, idk what to tell ya.
You are the guy equating Anderson decline to a baby mama on social media
Idk what to tell ya
Well I do, you are a moron. But yeah, other than that. I got nothing.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on July 02, 2024, 01:11:32 PM
Having children outside of a marriage and having it posted all over social for everyone to see is exactly that. I'll assume you don't have all the details.
Having a child out of wedlock is hardly the kind of off-field issue that would impact one's career.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 02, 2024, 11:34:14 AM
Tim Anderson DFA'd by the Marlins.
Can't think of a guy who fell off so far and so fast during what should have still been prime/high-performing years for non-injury or off-field issues.
Javy Baez fell that far, that fast.
Not sure how good they'll ultimately be, but this Brewers team is tough as hell.
Really not sure how many teams will even be sellers. Basically the entire NL thinks they have a chance outside two teams.
The AL has a ton involved thanks the the AL West as a whole being a bust. Plus lots of teams with high expectations underachieving with a few(Astros, Rays) starting to get hot and surge into the race.
Could end up being a great seller market for the teams that are the first to admit defeat. And probably at least 1 team will pull an Angels and make moronic trades only to miss playoffs by a lot.
Love the Civale move.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 03, 2024, 08:56:54 AM
Love the Civale move.
System is loaded with IF's. Going to see some of them get moved
In need of my daily dose of masochism, I was considering betting the Cubs to make the playoffs today. Fangraphs has CHC at a 6.5% chance of getting in. Sportsbooks moneylines imply a 14% chance. Who bets this garbage?
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on July 03, 2024, 01:12:28 PM
In need of my daily dose of masochism, I was considering betting the Cubs to make the playoffs today. Fangraphs has CHC at a 6.5% chance of getting in. Sportsbooks moneylines imply a 14% chance. Who bets this garbage?
Christians
Quote from: tower912 on July 02, 2024, 06:56:59 PM
Javy Baez fell that far, that fast.
Both Baez and Anderson had low walk rates. Anderson under 4% was probably never ever going to age well when the reflexes started slowing a bit.
Between that, the white sox being unbelievably bad at keeping players healthy/motivated, not completely shocking by any means.
Sad though, his walk off in the Field of dreams game is one of my all time favorite recent moments of the White sox (there aren't many). Just another victim of the Reinsdorf apathy scourge.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 02, 2024, 11:55:24 PM
Really not sure how many teams will even be sellers. Basically the entire NL thinks they have a chance outside two teams.
The AL has a ton involved thanks the the AL West as a whole being a bust. Plus lots of teams with high expectations underachieving with a few(Astros, Rays) starting to get hot and surge into the race.
Could end up being a great seller market for the teams that are the first to admit defeat. And probably at least 1 team will pull an Angels and make moronic trades only to miss playoffs by a lot.
Cubs should sell anything that moves - 3rd worst team in NL.
Lewis back to the IL, just cursed.
At least Lee gets to come up here now after his AAA rampage had him chillin so we didn't have to cut Farmer.
Also good that we are currently in a vintage Buxton monthish long stretch. Hope that carries til Royce comes back then they can swap places on the IL
Looks like the Brew Crew made a nice trade. Hopefully he can figure things out with their pitching program and be a nice contributor in the second half.
Yelich and Contreras make the starting lineup for the ASG. Deservedly so.
Glad the Brewers didn't listen to the scoop experts and trade Yelich
Back juicin', hey?
Give Joe Biden whatever drugs Yelich has gotten to find the fountain of youth
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 03, 2024, 10:58:05 PM
Give Joe Biden whatever drugs Yelich has gotten to find the fountain of youth
I thought Jake arrieta was Maga
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 03, 2024, 09:37:53 PM
Back juicin', hey?
Pretty clearly not since he's been a far different hitter the past two years. Looks like 2016-2017 Yeli.
Last 46 games:
White Sox 13-33
Cubs 15-31
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 04, 2024, 11:33:56 AM
Last 46 games:
White Sox 13-33
Cubs 15-31
Glad Attanasio didn't pay Counsell.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 04, 2024, 11:33:56 AM
Last 46 games:
White Sox 13-33
Cubs 15-31
Since last week of April, Cubs have won 22 games. Sox have won 21.
Maybe we decided too quickly on one of worst teams ever.
looking like Mr skenes is having his way nicely both on the field and off ;D
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 06, 2024, 06:12:31 AM
looking like Mr skenes is having his way nicely both on the field and off ;D
I doubt it. He's Catholic
Astros contract to Hader was money well-spent
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 07, 2024, 04:23:55 PM
Astros contract to Hader was money well-spent
It was obviously going to end badly.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 07, 2024, 04:37:33 PM
It was obviously going to end badly.
It just started, sadly, for the Astros
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 07, 2024, 04:23:55 PM
Astros contract to Hader was money well-spent
Giving up a walk off homer to Christian Vazquez should be automatic DFA
Yelich OPS is .940, slash line is .329/.407/.533.
Juice is some crazy chit, aina?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 07, 2024, 05:43:53 PM
Giving up a walk off homer to Christian Vazquez should be automatic DFA
Only 1 blown save this year, i think.
Problem going back to days in Milwaukee, was bringing him in when the score is tied in the 9th. It's the reason his W-L record is below .500 in his career.
Quote from: Jockey on July 07, 2024, 08:56:43 PM
Only 1 blown save this year, i think.
Problem going back to days in Milwaukee, was bringing him in when the score is tied in the 9th. It's the reason his W-L record is below .500 in his career.
Yeah some closers are like that forsure where they struggle in the non saves.
Twins have also oddly enough had quite the solid success against Hader. Have walked him off a few times and forsure had a comeback win in Milwaukee on him too.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 07, 2024, 08:33:56 PM
Juice is some crazy chit, aina?
Good thing they didn't peddle his azz
Any chance he will be in the Home Run Derby? Kind of curious if a PMT bet might come back to life.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 07, 2024, 08:33:56 PM
Juice is some crazy chit, aina?
I think everyone severly underestimated the seriousness of the 2019 injury. He's finally trusting his body again. Last year seemed like he was 80-85% of the way back. If you look at it, it's easy to see...
2019, Injury ruined MVP year
2020, shortened season bc of rehab + Covid
2021, Slashed .248 / .362 / .373 (50% back...played in 117 games)
2022, Slashed .252 / .355 / .383 (65% back...played in 154 games)
2023, Slashed .278 / .370 / .447 (80% back...played in 144 games)
2024, Slashing.329 / .407 / .533 (100% back and starting in ASG)
Maybe he is doping. I have no way to know but it is clear that his late '19 injury was devestating.
Quote from: The Lens on July 08, 2024, 01:06:31 PM
I think everyone severly underestimated the seriousness of the 2019 injury. He's finally trusting his body again. Last year seemed like he was 80-85% of the way back. If you look at it, it's easy to see...
2019, Injury ruined MVP year
2020, shortened season bc of rehab + Covid
2021, Slashed .248 / .362 / .373 (50% back...played in 117 games)
2022, Slashed .252 / .355 / .383 (65% back...played in 154 games)
2023, Slashed .278 / .370 / .447 (80% back...played in 144 games)
2024, Slashing.329 / .407 / .533 (100% back and starting in ASG)
Maybe he is doping. I have no way to know but it is clear that his late '19 injury was devestating.
Yeah and it wasn't just production. His swing looked off. He was rolling over everything. Wasn't using the whole field. His power never left him but his ability to make consistent solid contact left for awhile. When he connected, he hit a ton of absolute missiles.
Quote from: BM1090 on July 08, 2024, 04:01:18 PM
Yeah and it wasn't just production. His swing looked off. He was rolling over everything. Wasn't using the whole field. His power never left him but his ability to make consistent solid contact left for awhile. When he connected, he hit a ton of absolute missiles.
To my uneducated eye, it looked like he was bailing out with the right foot after the injury. Maybe trying to subconsciously protect it? He couldn't pull the ball with any sort of power.
Quote from: MUfan12 on July 08, 2024, 04:09:24 PM
To my uneducated eye, it looked like he was bailing out with the right foot after the injury. Maybe trying to subconsciously protect it? He couldn't pull the ball with any sort of power.
100%. Not exactly the same, but his swing began to resemble the fall-away slap style of the high-contact Japanese hitters. It was a terrible mismatch to his body and talent, but he was clearly not trusting keeping his weight in the box.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 06, 2024, 06:36:15 AM
I doubt it. He's Catholic
oh God oh God, Jesus yes yes yes oh God...
can be really Catholic and naughty at same time
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 08, 2024, 09:39:14 PM
oh God oh God, Jesus yes yes yes oh God...
can be really Catholic and naughty at same time
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Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 08, 2024, 09:39:14 PM
oh God oh God, Jesus yes yes yes oh God...
can be really Catholic and naughty at same time
Then he's going to hell
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 08, 2024, 09:39:14 PM
oh God oh God, Jesus yes yes yes oh God...
can be really Catholic and naughty at same time
But enough imitations of priests with their alter boys.
Quote from: MUfan12 on July 08, 2024, 04:09:24 PM
To my uneducated eye, it looked like he was bailing out with the right foot after the injury. Maybe trying to subconsciously protect it? He couldn't pull the ball with any sort of power.
I do think trust was the issue. He would bail on his swing but when forced to run (He had 4 triples in 2023) he would intinctively fly.
https://x.com/JomboyMedia/status/1810889576820428853?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1810889576820428853%7Ctwgr%5E55f8b41a62ca13a0face3e663c342d9e584b6cdf%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fmlb%2Fguardians-announcer-roasted-javier-baez-over-hbp
Exciting all around!
With López sweeper being mia this year and ruining his results to metrics, I'll sound more like a biased twins fan
But is there a more overrated player by casual fans than Luis Arraez?
Wooof. Guy currently is a borderline awful player but an all star and loved on twitter
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 10, 2024, 01:01:33 PM
With López sweeper being mia this year and ruining his results to metrics, I'll sound more like a biased twins fan
But is there a more overrated player by casual fans than Luis Arraez?
Wooof. Guy currently is a borderline awful player but an all star and loved on twitter
He's fine and overrated. Definitely shouldn't be an all-star over Brice Turang
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 10, 2024, 01:01:33 PM
With López sweeper being mia this year and ruining his results to metrics, I'll sound more like a biased twins fan
But is there a more overrated player by casual fans than Luis Arraez?
Wooof. Guy currently is a borderline awful player but an all star and loved on twitter
People are just enamored with the old ideas of baseball and obsession with average. Ignoring all trends in modern baseball and focusing on someone hitting over .300, even if that person is a weak hitting singles merchant. Even if he isn't gonna be a power hitter, but he doesn't even hit that many doubles, much less triples.
I do find it amusing that for all his high average, he's been top 10 in double plays hit into the last few years. I think he was leading the league for a bit this year.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 10, 2024, 01:01:33 PM
With López sweeper being mia this year and ruining his results to metrics, I'll sound more like a biased twins fan
But is there a more overrated player by casual fans than Luis Arraez?
Wooof. Guy currently is a borderline awful player but an all star and loved on twitter
He shouldn't be an all-star this year, but he was top 10 in OPS last year with a very solid 3.5 WAR. He's good, not great.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 10, 2024, 01:01:33 PM
With López sweeper being mia this year and ruining his results to metrics, I'll sound more like a biased twins fan
But is there a more overrated player by casual fans than Luis Arraez?
Wooof. Guy currently is a borderline awful player but an all star and loved on twitter
Aaron judge
Quote from: Pakuni on July 10, 2024, 02:34:05 PM
He shouldn't be an all-star this year, but he was top 10 in OPS last year with a very solid 3.5 WAR. He's good, not great.
The issue is he's gotta literally hit .365 to have a good OPS and to have value
He's virtually unplayable defensively but cant justify playing a guy with less power than Nick Punto at DH. His "running" is more of a waddle. No speed and metrically poor base runner(I think he still is)
Its more annoying cause people around here who still tilt about him being gone(we have literally no where to play him) are the same people who said Joe Mauer sucks. Mauer has more talent in his left nut. Mauer the "singles hitter" had 7 seasons with OPS higher than Arraez last year.
August is approaching so we know the season ending injury is coming
But Byron Buxton is back to being to being the most electric player to watch in the sport. His speed with no knees is unbelievable.
Tobias Myers probably turns into a pumpkin at some point but he's been invaluable to the Crew for 3 months.
The front office can field a roster
From Yahoo Sports:
110 years ago today, 19-year-old Babe Ruth made his major league debut, earning the win (7 IP, 2 ER) and going 0-2 at the plate in a 4-3 Red Sox victory over Cleveland.
"He has a natural delivery, fine control and a curveball that bothers the batsmen," wrote the Boston Globe. And though he went hitless on the day, they wrote that he "shaped up like a good batsman."
Quote from: MU82 on July 11, 2024, 09:44:41 AM
From Yahoo Sports:
110 years ago today, 19-year-old Babe Ruth made his major league debut, earning the win (7 IP, 2 ER) and going 0-2 at the plate in a 4-3 Red Sox victory over Cleveland.
"He has a natural delivery, fine control and a curveball that bothers the batsmen," wrote the Boston Globe. And though he went hitless on the day, they wrote that he "shaped up like a good batsman."
I'm sure he had a blazing fastball in the low 70's. Curveball maybe in the mid to upper 50s.
Normally I don't pay much attention to ASG picks or how bad they are
Aside from clear ones like Walker being left off for Alonso strictly for derby.
So I just noticed David Fry for Guardians.
He might be the worst inclusion of all time. Sure the overall numbers were solid. But he just now hit 200 ABs. And he's been horrendous since June.
28 year old journeyman found lightning for a month and made it.
Paul Skenes is nuts
Skenes with 10 Ks, 0 hits given up through 5 innings. He's decent I guess.
Just hope the Brewers fanbase is as good as the Cardinals' and give him a standing O whenever his outing ends. Well deserved.
Civale was great today too. Skenes is a total freak though.
Brewers also doing their damndest to help Skenes get his no hitter - top/heart of the order saw a total of seven pitches in the 6th and six pitches in the 7th.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 11, 2024, 03:06:24 PM
Brewers also doing their damndest to help Skenes get his no hitter - top/heart of the order saw a total of seven pitches in the 6th and six pitches in the 7th.
Brutal approaches.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 11, 2024, 03:06:24 PM
Brewers also doing their damndest to help Skenes get his no hitter - top/heart of the order saw a total of seven pitches in the 6th and six pitches in the 7th.
Yeah that was bad. Think he had 60 through 3.
But that's also something hopefully Skenes learns too. Maybe punch out a few less guys. Keep that PC down. People ain't squaring you up.
Murphy deciding to bunt in the 8th and not PH for Frelick in the ninth was some real managerial negligence.
The ASG is TV entertainment disguised as an exhibition baseball game.
As probably the single participant that most baseball fans want to see, Skenes should start for the NL so he can go up against Judge and Soto in the first inning.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 11, 2024, 02:31:25 PM
Paul Skenes is nuts
The thing that gets glossed over is that before he transferred to LSU, he played both ways at Air Force and was an absolute menace, raked over .400. Obviously focusing on pitching was the right choice, and not saying he would be another Ohtani, but he could have been fun in the 9th slot before universal DH.
When it comes to the ASG putting in guys who the fans want initially even if not deserving is fine, especially if they are notorious good/popular.
But some of the players picks mixed with the replacements are just wtf.
Orioles already have like 7 guys in. Ain't no causal fan turning on ASG and saying "cant wait to watch that Santander guy"
23 homers? He's got a .298 OBP. For 3 years people have called broken down Stanton trash and overpaid. That is literally stanton haha
Compare his numbers to Brent Rooker and its comical.
Quote from: MU82 on July 11, 2024, 06:47:21 PM
The ASG is TV entertainment disguised as an exhibition baseball game.
As probably the single participant that most baseball fans want to see, Skenes should start for the NL so he can go up against Judge and Soto in the first inning.
I still like the ASG because it's the only one where all the players are trying their best to win, (with the rare exception like grooving a fastball for Ripken in his last ASG).
Quote from: CTWarrior on July 12, 2024, 07:01:32 AM
I still like the ASG because it's the only one where all the players are trying their best to win, (with the rare exception like grooving a fastball for Ripken in his last ASG).
I get that. But those who put together the teams and who manage them aren't trying their best to win. And that's OK with me.
Might be a good ASG to ask to bat bottom of order
Skenes officially getting the start
Annual Brewer bullpen collapse in the 10 days before the ASG.
Dodgers, too.
Jose Berrios threw 90 pitches today. 37 were swung at. 0 were missed.
Not sure what's up with him this year but he's plummeted. Will be interesting if he turns it around still only like 30
Bad anthem singer story takes an unexpected turn.
https://www.instagram.com/ingridandress/p/C9fdt_0uBwB/?hl=en
Further proof country music must be stopped
Most of them suck.
This girl had 4 Grammies and based off online reaction like no one knew who the hell she was
Pretty sure me and Muggs could form country duo and snag a couple Grammys
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 16, 2024, 01:20:19 PM
Further proof country music must be stopped
Most of them suck.
This girl had 4 Grammies and based off online reaction like no one knew who the hell she was
Pretty sure me and Muggs could form country duo and snag a couple Grammys
Grammy nominations*** Big difference.
She had 2 decently big songs 5 years ago, neither were crossover hits nor did they hit Top 5 on the Country Charts, not surprising that many outside the Nashville/Country Music sphere know her.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 16, 2024, 01:29:39 PM
Grammy nominations*** Big difference.
She had 2 decently big songs 5 years ago, neither were crossover hits nor did they hit Top 5 on the Country Charts, not surprising that many outside the Nashville/Country Music sphere know her.
Yeah I did know that part just didn't type it, def a difference.
But still. That always happens only in country it seems. I don't listen to much current of any music but I alway know the Grammy noms of things outside of that.
Also ironic she botched a drunk performance. Ain't that the country wheelhouse
Quote from: MU82 on July 12, 2024, 10:08:56 AM
I get that. But those who put together the teams and who manage them aren't trying their best to win. And that's OK with me.
I think the managers are trying to win, too, but they are given additional rules they have to abide by, like a youth baseball coach. Everybody gets in except a pitcher that is left behind for emergency purposes, etc. But they try to mix and match their substitutions to get the platoon advantage if they can, so even they are trying to win given the constraints forced upon them.
But you're right that the managers are not trying to win the best in the traditional sense of how you try to win baseball games.
The all-star games in other sports do not interest me at all because they are not actual competitive games where anybody is trying to win. I don't watch the home run derby which is eclipsing the ASG in popularity because I find watch batting practice boring. A sporting feat in team sports is not impressive to me if there's no one trying to stop you.
Good for her for owning up to it without throwing out a bunch of BS excuses. Hope she gets the help she needs.
Ohtani is bad at baseball
Rachel Robinson, Jackie's widow, is still alive. And today is her 102nd birthday. Wow!
100 games in the Sox are on pace for 118 loses, but with trades likely coming, a new MLB record, in 162 game season, of 120 loses is very real possibility. Chicago fans need to get out to the ballpark to history being made.
Did Nick Castellanos hit a home run early this afternoon?
Do you even need to ask?
Nice start to the second half of the season for the Crew, taking two from the Twins despite the bullpen continuing its shaky form.
Going to need to bolster the pen before the deadline. A big bag would be nice but that pen is leaking oil
Skubal and Flaherty are great pieces for trading. However, right now there are so many starting pitchers throughout the Tigers system injured that if Dettoit traded them every day would have to be a bullpen day. Like Tampa, only not by choice.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2024, 04:01:23 PM
Nice start to the second half of the season for the Crew, taking two from the Twins despite the bullpen continuing its shaky form.
Going to need to bolster the pen before the deadline. A big bag would be nice but that pen is leaking oil
Devin.
Quote from: Jockey on July 21, 2024, 04:12:26 PM
Devin.
He'll be a boost but I'm in a wait and see mode
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 03:24:13 PM
Did Nick Castellanos hit a home run early this afternoon?
Do you even need to ask?
lol he did in fact hit a home run.
After the way they started the season, I'm absolutely amazed the Cardinals are back. They're actually playing decent baseball as of late.
Don't know how long this will last, but one can hope they've turned the corner. Kind of reminds me of the 1964 team, that played like crap for a good part of the season only to win when it mattered!
More Sox news: https://www.theonion.com/mlb-reminds-white-sox-that-games-televised-1851590284 (https://www.theonion.com/mlb-reminds-white-sox-that-games-televised-1851590284)
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 21, 2024, 11:18:19 PM
After the way they started the season, I'm absolutely amazed the Cardinals are back. They're actually playing decent baseball as of late.
Don't know how long this will last, but one can hope they've turned the corner. Kind of reminds me of the 1964 team, that played like crap for a good part of the season only to win when it mattered!
The Pirates look scary of late too, and they're a team set up with young stars for quite some time. If their owner ever wanted to spend money, they have a window
So sick of getting a low "oh!" every time I tell a colleague I am a white Sox fan
For bummed White Sox fans (and anybody who loves great baseball), today is the 15-year anniversary of probably the greatest catch I've ever witnessed in person:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk9nLy-A0qI
Great anyway. Given that it preserved Mark Buehrle's perfect game, truly spectacular.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 03:24:13 PM
Did Nick Castellanos hit a home run early this afternoon?
Do you even need to ask?
I don't know why you would think that's funny. A lot of people were really offended that day and a requisite professional lost his livelihood during the prime of his as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos it will be a home run, 4-0 ballgame.
Quote from: MU82 on July 23, 2024, 08:04:33 AM
For bummed White Sox fans (and anybody who loves great baseball), today is the 15-year anniversary of probably the greatest catch I've ever witnessed in person:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk9nLy-A0qI
Great anyway. Given that it preserved Mark Buehrle's perfect game, truly spectacular.
Given the circumstances just one of the greatest catches in in franchise history
Quote from: MU82 on July 23, 2024, 08:04:33 AM
For bummed White Sox fans (and anybody who loves great baseball), today is the 15-year anniversary of probably the greatest catch I've ever witnessed in person:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk9nLy-A0qI
Great anyway. Given that it preserved Mark Buehrle's perfect game, truly spectacular.
Redundant.
Quote from: MU82 on July 23, 2024, 08:04:33 AM
For bummed White Sox fans (and anybody who loves great baseball), today is the 15-year anniversary of probably the greatest catch I've ever witnessed in person:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk9nLy-A0qI
Great anyway. Given that it preserved Mark Buehrle's perfect game, truly spectacular.
There are VERY few sports moments, for teams I'm not a huge fan of, that I can remember exactly where I was, but that catch was one of them.
Smack dab in the middle of my short stint as a prop trader, the bell had rung a min or so earlier, so a couple TVs got turned by the Southside guys from CNBC/Bloomberg to the game. Grizzled OG trader that sat 2 rows down from me, DIEHARD Sox fan, I thought he actually had a coronary during the play. Just wild stuff. Same dude was the first person who ever told me about TSLA as he had invested in the company when it was still privately held through his connections. I imagine he's a happy man these days.
So Yeli gowne again hey? Roids giveth and roids taketh away
13 runs given up to the Rockies in 4 innings
Good time to call something a unmitigated disaster
Guess Counsell will have to wait to "stick it to the Brewers"
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 24, 2024, 03:50:25 PM
13 runs given up to the Rockies in 4 innings
Good time to call something a unmitigated disaster
https://x.com/DanCleary79/status/1816210408556093667
Welp
https://x.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1816243306323759113?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
White Sox are 50 games under .500. I don't think they can get to the post season anymore. I think they should move from a buyer to a seller at the trade deadline now. I hope I'm not going to regret giving up on this season, but they don't seem to be gelling as a team. IMHO.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DL8ej-_XcAAhS7r.jpg)
Quote from: wadesworld on July 24, 2024, 12:49:03 PM
So Yeli gowne again hey? Roids giveth and roids taketh away
Really don't think the evidence supports steroids in any way. I know there is the Braun connection, and I get it.
But nothing about his swing or who he's been as a player indicates there is anything steroid related.
https://x.com/cdlenthusiast/status/1816451616624578717
It's a team wide thing too
Royals might have some Astros in em
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 24, 2024, 09:59:10 PM
White Sox are 50 games under .500. I don't think they can get to the post season anymore. I think they should move from a buyer to a seller at the trade deadline now. I hope I'm not going to regret giving up on this season, but they don't seem to be gelling as a team. IMHO.
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Dylan Cease caps a elite 3 stsrt bender with a no no
22 innings 2 hits 30 Ks
Quote from: Pakuni on July 25, 2024, 01:49:15 PM
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Guilty as charged. :D
At least the Sox were smart enough to dump Cease, Sale, and Lopez.
Quote from: Jockey on July 25, 2024, 03:24:43 PM
At least the Sox were smart enough to dump Cease, Sale, and Lopez.
They definitely should have paid them to waste the prime years of their careers on bad teams.
Relatedly, Garrett Crochet with one of the more reasonable extension demands I can recall.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 25, 2024, 03:30:25 PM
Relatedly, Garrett Crochet with one of the more reasonable extension demands I can recall.
Not sure many contending teams will view "extend me or I sit out the playoffs" as reasonable.
Completely understand why his reps would seek (and leak) that, but I think it makes him a less attractive commodity.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 25, 2024, 03:43:10 PM
Not sure many contending teams will view "extend me or I sit out the playoffs" as reasonable.
Completely understand why his reps would see (and leak) that, but I think it makes him a less attractive commodity.
Oh I agree. But as-is, its against his best interests to be traded. If CWS didn't trade him, they'd probably shut him down after what, 5 or fewer more starts? Not a lot of upside to get dealt and told to get his @$$ out there for another 12-15 starts after piching a dozen innings last year unless he has the security of an extension.
That's a fun pickup for the Mariners. Arozarena at least is a high energy guy, you cannot hope to win a division hitting the worst average in the MLB that also has the Chicago white sox.
It is a pleasure to watch Buxton go gap to gap in centerfield. He covers so much ground.
I was told Shaka was in the booth during the Brewers game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 27, 2024, 08:02:15 PM
I was told Shaka was in the booth during the Brewers game.
I think it was Marquette Night at the game.
The good news is if the Brewers make the playoffs, they won't have to play the Marlins.
Great game last night between the Yankees and Red Sox.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 27, 2024, 08:02:15 PM
I was told Shaka was in the booth during the Brewers game.
Both the men's and women's teams were guests of the Brewers Saturday night. The new women's coach and Stevie Mitchell threw out first pitches. Shaka was in the TV booth for an inning. Said the freshmen are adjusting more rapidly than freshmen typically do, and that the freshmen would be earning more playing time than might have been expected. Other than that, just general conversation.
Quote from: tower912 on July 27, 2024, 07:28:29 PM
It is a pleasure to watch Buxton go gap to gap in centerfield. He covers so much ground.
Both Buxton and Royce Lewis would be stars for the Twins if they could stay on the field.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 28, 2024, 09:06:14 AM
Both Buxton and Royce Lewis would be stars for the Twins if they could stay on the field.
Luckily Buxton has been pretty healthy this year aside from the early knee IL stint.
Lewis is incredible but just keeps getting random injuries.
Twins have possibly the deepest lineup in baseball if they would all get healthy. Correa having PF again is brutal.
Cubs as buyers is quite the choice
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 28, 2024, 01:49:05 PM
Cubs as buyers is quite the choice
Yeah, but none of the moves really seem to be about 2024. I think they're ready to give up on Morel so trading for his replacement just costs them the salary difference, a year of control, and the minor leaguers. Pearson is a nice add and I wonder if they try to stretch him out as a starter next year. Celestino doesn't take up a spot on the 40 man.
I know he's struggled, but I still love Morel's potential. Interesting to see if a change of scenery does him some good.
Bailey Ober might be the most underrated pitcher in baseball right now.
If the Royals didn't own him, his been a Cy Young contender in his other 18 starts
Good move for Cubs Paredes is a lot better than Morel.
Interesting paragraph in The Athletic's analysis of the deal:
The more legitimate concern is just how much power Paredes will have at Wrigley Field. He has famously never hit a home run to right field in any ballpark. Paredes has 16 homers this year, but Baseball Savant said that he would only have 11 homers this year if he played all his games in Chicago. That makes Wrigley one of the least compatible ballparks for his power.
To continue the dead horse beating; interesting fact that if you remove the 17 and 14 game losing streaks from their record, the White Sox still would have the worst winning percentage in MLB.
-the worst record in the modern era (1900-) is very much a possibility. Sorry, I find it interesting.
As a Detroit sports fan, I get that. Sometimes you need to lean into and embrace the stink.
Dodgers acquiring Michael Kopech.
Maybe they'll be able to unlock him, because so far he's not made the most of his immense talent.
Edit: Part of a three-team deal that also sends Fedde and Pham to the Cardinals and Tommy Edman to the Dodgers.
Sox get four prospects
Great deadline so far with so much action pre deadline day
Of course as a twins fan it's been pathetic will leaks stating ownership can't spend more money. Which is hilarious.
But still fun to follow.
Sounds like Flaherty about to be moved. Was scratched. Will be a big domino.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2024, 01:03:36 PM
Dodgers acquiring Michael Kopech.
Maybe they'll be able to unlock him, because so far he's not made the most of his immense talent.
Edit: Part of a three-team deal that also sends Fedde and Pham to the Cardinals and Tommy Edman to the Dodgers.
Sox get four prospects
Good trades for the Cards and Dodgers.
Michael Kopech is as good of a dude as there is, especially in professional sports. My family and I are bummed to see him leave Chicago, but happy for him to get a fresh start. Total privilege for our family to have gotten to know him so well over the last 7 years.
Edit: In the Sox goodbye to Kopech video, my son Bradley is in the video with Kopech.
https://x.com/whitesox/status/1818036872997642515?s=46&t=nX9__T6F5tmMsEFTze2ANQ
I know they hit on these trades fairly often...but I wish the Brewers would trade for at least one pitcher who didn't have an ERA north of 5.
They had one. Havin' CY year. Mark won't spend. All about P & L, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 30, 2024, 04:45:07 AM
They had one. Havin' CY year. Mark won't spend. All about P & L, aina?
Considering he just took on Montas' contract, not really. But yes obviously financials will always be more important in small markets.
Should have simply kept Hader and Burnes. Woulda bin da easiest answer, aina?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 29, 2024, 10:40:44 PM
I know they hit on these trades fairly often...but I wish the Brewers would trade for at least one pitcher who didn't have an ERA north of 5.
What jumped out at me most is how much Wiemer's stock has fallen. Arnold knows better than I do, but I don't know if Montas moves the dial enough to sell that low on Wiemer. If they see something in Montas that they think they can tweak him to make a legit playoff starter, that changes things. Otherwise, I wonder if they would have been better off trying to rehab Wiemer's value before dealing him.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 30, 2024, 09:38:13 AM
Should have simply kept Hader and Burnes. Woulda bin da easiest answer, aina?
And then get upset when they walk for nothing? I think both trades have been working out in the long run for the Brewers.
Ruiz was a key piece in getting Contreras and Gasser looked solid before his injury. Our bullpen hasn't really suffered.
Quote from: BM1090 on July 30, 2024, 09:15:00 AM
Considering he just took on Montas' contract, not really. But yes obviously financials will always be more important in small markets.
It's been reported that Montas has a $20 mil mutual option for next season, not certain of the buyout. So, I'd be surprised if Mark pays that kinda bread going forward. Most likely one's a rental for the reminder of this season. Which is still outta character for da Brewers, hey?
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 30, 2024, 10:00:19 AM
And then get upset when they walk for nothing? I think both trades have been working out in the long run for the Brewers.
Ruiz was a key piece in getting Contreras and Gasser looked solid before his injury. Our bullpen hasn't really suffered.
Nah, ya simply pay 'em so they don't walk. Gotta piss with da big boyz, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 30, 2024, 09:38:13 AM
Should have simply kept Hader and Burnes. Woulda bin da easiest answer, aina?
The back end of the Brewers bullpen has been anything but an issue, and that's with major injuries back there. Hader has had 2 bad seasons and one good season since the Brewers traded him, and there would be no William Contreras on the Brewers if there was still Josh Hader on the Brewers. The Brewers absolutely won that trade.
Burnes is going to get paid a lot more than the Brewers could pay him.
But the Bucks definitely should've traded Giannis.
The Brewers are not in a financial position to sign a 30 year, unrestricted free agent pitcher like Burnes because the back end of that contract will likely be a disaster. They either have to lock them up early, like with Freddy.
Saying that the Brewers should "piss with the big boys" and claiming that Mark A. is cheap otherwise, is a ridiculous statement considering how revenue is earned in the MLB. Right now there are only two teams in the NL with better records - both of whom earn over $100 million more in revenue than the Brewers.
Imagine paying a closer the kind of money Hader is making
😂😂😂
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 30, 2024, 10:16:11 AM
The Brewers are not in a financial position to sign a 30 year, unrestricted free agent pitcher like Burnes because the back end of that contract will likely be a disaster. They either have to lock them up early, like with Freddy.
Saying that the Brewers should "piss with the big boys" and claiming that Mark A. is cheap otherwise, is a ridiculous statement considering how revenue is earned in the MLB. Right now there are only two teams in the NL with better records - both of whom earn over $100 million more in revenue than the Brewers.
4elder isn't a big fan of facts
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 30, 2024, 09:38:23 AM
What jumped out at me most is how much Wiemer's stock has fallen. Arnold knows better than I do, but I don't know if Montas moves the dial enough to sell that low on Wiemer. If they see something in Montas that they think they can tweak him to make a legit playoff starter, that changes things. Otherwise, I wonder if they would have been better off trying to rehab Wiemer's value before dealing him.
Wiemer had a hole in his swing that never got corrected. Solid defensive player, but you have to also get offensive production from major league outfielders. I just don't think the Brewers believed he would become a reliable major league hitter. Plus with the emergence of Perkins, Chourio, Mitchell and Frelick, he became the odd man out. Maybe a change of scenery will boost his career.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2024, 10:26:16 AM
Imagine paying a closer the kind of money Hader is making
😂😂😂
Imagine paying 4elder to make roster decisions. He'd make the current White Sox look like juggernauts.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on July 30, 2024, 10:38:05 AM
Wiemer had a hole in his swing that never got corrected. Solid defensive player, but you have to also get offensive production from major league outfielders. I just don't think the Brewers believed he would become a reliable major league hitter. Plus with the emergence of Perkins, Chourio, Mitchell and Frelick, he became the odd man out. Maybe a change of scenery will boost his career.
No disagreement here. And maybe the book is sufficiently out at this point that there is no reasonable chance to rehab his trade value. But to go from a top 5 prospect in the system two years ago to being traded for half a dozen starts of 2024 Frankie Montas is quite a fall.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 30, 2024, 10:16:11 AM
The Brewers are not in a financial position to sign a 30 year, unrestricted free agent pitcher like Burnes because the back end of that contract will likely be a disaster. They either have to lock them up early, like with Freddy.
Saying that the Brewers should "piss with the big boys" and claiming that Mark A. is cheap otherwise, is a ridiculous statement considering how revenue is earned in the MLB. Right now there are only two teams in the NL with better records - both of whom earn over $100 million more in revenue than the Brewers.
It's like people have forgotten complaining endlessly about paying $20M for Braun to be hurt half the year.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 30, 2024, 11:05:28 AM
No disagreement here. And maybe the book is sufficiently out at this point that there is no reasonable chance to rehab his trade value. But to go from a top 5 prospect in the system two years ago to being traded for half a dozen starts of 2024 Frankie Montas is quite a fall.
OF is a position of depth for them. Not high on Frelick and Wiemer has more pop but he was bad at the end of '23 and looked like he had no confidence.
His slash line of .242/.387/.358 at Triple A this year wasn't something hopeful.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 30, 2024, 11:01:07 AM
Imagine paying 4elder to make roster decisions. He'd make the current White Sox look like juggernauts.
The minute Burnes signed a new deal with the Brewers paying him a ton of money and he started to struggle, we'd get "peddle his azz"
Peddle this guy, too
https://x.com/cyrthogg/status/1818318096181932218?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Dodgers win the Flaherty sweepstakes.
Quote from: tower912 on July 30, 2024, 05:08:45 PM
Dodgers win the Flaherty sweepstakes.
They really win considering they gave up less than the Astros did for Kikuchi who stinks.
Tigers and Astros both have a FO of alcoholics or something
A surprising number of contenders trading away potentially useful relievers at the deadline.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 30, 2024, 10:02:54 AM
It's been reported that Montas has a $20 mil mutual option for next season, not certain of the buyout. So, I'd be surprised if Mark pays that kinda bread going forward. Most likely one's a rental for the reminder of this season. Which is still outta character for da Brewers, hey?
FYI - Montas buyout is $2M.
I don't blame Crochet for saying he wouldn't pitch in the postseason for any team that wouldn't give him a big-money contract extension. He was trying to leverage the tiny bit of power he has.
I also don't blame every team interested in acquiring him telling him to have fun the next two months with the worst team in MLB history.
Quote from: MU82 on July 31, 2024, 05:59:08 AM
I don't blame Crochet for saying he wouldn't pitch in the postseason for any team that wouldn't give him a big-money contract extension. He was trying to leverage the tiny bit of power he has.
I also don't blame every team interested in acquiring him telling him to have fun the next two months with the worst team in MLB history.
Yeah, Crochet never made sense as a deadline deal to me. Given his workload concerns and how great he has looked this year, I don't think CWS get any less for him this offseason than they would have now (assuming they shut him down before he has a chance to get hurt). I'm kinda curious how the conversations with Getz went, because he was blindsided that Crochet's team leaked his extension demand - but otherwise, I think this played out as it should have.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 31, 2024, 09:04:36 AM
Yeah, Crochet never made sense as a deadline deal to me. Given his workload concerns and how great he has looked this year, I don't think CWS get any less for him this offseason than they would have now (assuming they shut him down before he has a chance to get hurt). I'm kinda curious how the conversations with Getz went, because he was blindsided that Crochet's team leaked his extension demand - but otherwise, I think this played out as it should have.
I agree with all of this. The fact that the Getz was blindsided by Crochet and the grades on Getz's deadline deals from the "experts" have exposed the rookie GM's lack of experience. Maybe the offseason deal will work out well, but Getz may have missed a great opportunity in one of the best "sellers" markets in a long time.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 31, 2024, 09:13:30 AM
I agree with all of this. The fact that the Getz was blindsided by Crochet and the grades on Getz's deadline deals from the "experts" have exposed the rookie GM's lack of experience. Maybe the offseason deal will work out well, but Getz may have missed a great opportunity in one of the best "sellers" markets in a long time.
The combination of workload concerns and the extension demand really lowered Crochet's value. He'll be worth more in the offseason.
As for being the best sellers market, the evidence doesn't really bear that out. The other starters dealt at the deadline brought back underwhelming returns ... zero prospects in MLB Pipeline's top 100 and, with the exception of Norby going to Miami for Rogers, all outside organizations' top 5.
4 teams given a D grade by the Athletic for their deadline efforts : San Francisco, Colorado, Detroit and (of course) the White Sox.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2024, 09:38:43 AM
The combination of workload concerns and the extension demand really lowered Crochet's value. He'll be worth more in the offseason.
As for being the best sellers market, the evidence doesn't really bear that out. The other starters dealt at the deadline brought back underwhelming returns ... zero prospects in MLB Pipeline's top 100 and, with the exception of Norby going to Miami for Rogers, all outside organizations' top 5.
You make good points. I stand corrected.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 31, 2024, 11:11:59 AM
4 teams given a D grade by the Athletic for their deadline efforts : San Francisco, Colorado, Detroit and (of course) the White Sox.
I really think the White Sox will stack 3-4 100+ loss season in a row. (And not get better than the 10th pick)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 31, 2024, 11:11:59 AM
4 teams given a D grade by the Athletic for their deadline efforts : San Francisco, Colorado, Detroit and (of course) the White Sox.
I saw that... but then I sae a different athletic article that listed the White Sox as one of the winnners of the trade deadline. Don't have an opinion either way but thought it was funny that the athletic disagreed with itself
I am one of the last people to believe in the White Sox vision but I think it could have gone worse for them, and of course prospect development is purely hindsight driven.
Then again this is a Jerry owned team so just give them an F and move on
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on July 31, 2024, 11:42:16 AM
I am one of the last people to believe in the White Sox vision but I think it could have gone worse for them, and of course prospect development is purely hindsight driven.
Then again this is a Jerry owned team so just give them an F and move on
Seeing more rumors that Jerry is showing signs of, shall I say, lower cognitive ability. Completely understandable considering his age. And apparently Getz has been told to trim payroll next year. Maybe a sale is on the horizon.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 31, 2024, 11:11:59 AM
4 teams given a D grade by the Athletic for their deadline efforts : San Francisco, Colorado, Detroit and (of course) the White Sox.
The reasoning for that White Sox grade is very dumb, though.
It says:
"Their emphasis on middle infielders instead of pitching prospects in trade returns was head-scratching."Anyone who knows anything about the White Sox system right now knows its loaded with pitching and very thin on position players, and especially after using their top pick this year on Hagen Smith.
They were always going to seek bats over arms at the deadline.
I have questions about the quality the Sox got back from the Dodgers, but the idea that they should have targeted pitching at the deadline shows a real lack of knowledge about what they've got on the farm.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2024, 01:00:44 PM
The reasoning for that White Sox grade is very dumb, though.
It says:
"Their emphasis on middle infielders instead of pitching prospects in trade returns was head-scratching."
Anyone who knows anything about the White Sox system right now knows its loaded with pitching and very thin on position players, and especially after using their top pick this year on Hagen Smith.
They were always going to seek bats over arms at the deadline.
I have questions about the quality the Sox got back from the Dodgers, but the idea that they should have targeted pitching at the deadline shows a real lack of knowledge about what they've got on the farm.
That seems to be the Brewers strategy. They have prioritized the middle of the field as they are more valuable and can have more positional flexibility.
Then they can use them in a trade for other positions if that talent hits.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 31, 2024, 11:50:09 AM
Seeing more rumors that Jerry is showing signs of, shall I say, lower cognitive ability. Completely understandable considering his age. And apparently Getz has been told to trim payroll next year. Maybe a sale is on the horizon.
Gee whiz I sure hope so!
Murphy is a good morale guy but I'm starting to think he was best suited as a bench coach.
The in-game decisions today have defied any sort of logic.
Quote from: MUfan12 on July 31, 2024, 03:32:39 PM
Murphy is a good morale guy but I'm starting to think he was best suited as a bench coach.
The in-game decisions today have defied any sort of logic.
Bringing in Elvis?
Quote from: The Lens on July 31, 2024, 03:48:37 PM
Bringing in Elvis?
That, and not pinch hitting for Monasterio in the sixth. Against a righty, no less.
Quote from: MUfan12 on July 31, 2024, 03:57:57 PM
That, and not pinch hitting for Monasterio in the sixth. Against a righty, no less.
I was fine with Elvis coming in. Didn't work but i get it.
Not pinching Turang for Monasterio with the bases loaded against a righty was nonsensical
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 31, 2024, 04:03:28 PM
I was fine with Elvis coming in. Didn't work but i get it.
Not pinching Turang for Monasterio with the bases loaded against a righty was nonsensical
Peguero is 4th worst in MLB when it comes to allowing inherited runners to score. Pretty much anyone else would be better.
What is the White Sox upside to NOT shutting down Garrett Crochet for the rest of the season?
Quote from: MU82 on July 31, 2024, 05:45:02 PM
What is the White Sox upside to NOT shutting down Garrett Crochet for the rest of the season?
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One of life's little joys....having a retired major leaguer turned broadcaster quoting one of your coaching tenets, while watching the game with your 17 year old who heard it 100 times over the years.
Quote from: tower912 on August 01, 2024, 06:47:33 PM
One of life's little joys....having a retired major leaguer turned broadcaster quoting one of your coaching tenets, while watching the game with your 17 year old who heard it 100 times over the years.
So dad actually knows something? Don't let it go to your head. ;D
Quote from: tower912 on August 01, 2024, 06:47:33 PM
One of life's little joys....having a retired major leaguer turned broadcaster quoting one of your coaching tenets, while watching the game with your 17 year old who heard it 100 times over the years.
Now you gotta share, tower. What was the tenet?
Check your inbox.
Quote from: MU82 on August 02, 2024, 07:29:49 AM
Now you gotta share, tower. What was the tenet?
WORK HARDER
Too lazy to fact check, the Sthetic wrote that Blake Snell's no hitter was the first time the two.time Cy Young winner had pitched into the 9th inning
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 04, 2024, 07:21:19 AM
Too lazy to fact check, the Sthetic wrote that Blake Snell's no hitter was the first time the two.time Cy Young winner had pitched into the 9th inning
Complete games are so cool. I hate the stuff new baseball has taken away from us. I was at the Paul Skenes at Miller Park last month. I as a Brewers fan was upset they took him out. I wanted to see him chase history. We're protecting these guys as much as ever and we're not seeing a marked difference in injury prevention.
Quote from: The Lens on August 04, 2024, 09:59:09 AM
Complete games are so cool. I hate the stuff new baseball has taken away from us. I was at the Paul Skenes at Miller Park last month. I as a Brewers fan was upset they took him out. I wanted to see him chase history. We're protecting these guys as much as ever and we're not seeing a marked difference in injury prevention.
All the injuries seem to be coming from pitchers chasing speed, not pitch count.
I was at Baltimore's 3-game series vs the Twins at the Metrodome in which the 1988 Orioles extended their losing streak to a modern-day AL record 21. The O's snapped the skid the next day - April 29 - beating the White Sox.
This year's Twins completed a 3-game sweep of Chicago yesterday, extending the White Sox' streak to 20. Would've been poetic if the Sox played Baltimore today ... but they don't. They're at Oakland to start a 3-game series.
The A's are the AL's second-worst team ... but they are 19 1/2 games ahead of the White Sox.
Quote from: MU82 on August 05, 2024, 06:42:58 AM
The A's are the AL's second-worst team ... but they are 19 1/2 games ahead of the White Sox.
The fact that no one has lost their job lends credibility to the widespread belief that JR wants this (worst team ever) to happen.
Quote from: The Lens on August 04, 2024, 09:59:09 AM
Complete games are so cool. I hate the stuff new baseball has taken away from us. I was at the Paul Skenes at Miller Park last month. I as a Brewers fan was upset they took him out. I wanted to see him chase history. We're protecting these guys as much as ever and we're not seeing a marked difference in injury prevention.
They are protecting them because of the emphasis on spin. The higher the spin rate - the more torque on elbows.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 05, 2024, 10:32:26 AM
The fact that no one has lost their job lends credibility to the widespread belief that JR wants this (worst team ever) to happen.
I wish he would just die already
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on August 05, 2024, 04:46:19 PM
I wish he would just die already
Quit waffling, take a stand, tell us how you really feel, stop sugar coating your position, why make us read between the lines? ;D
Gonna need a mid to late inning comeback to avoid 21
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 05, 2024, 09:57:10 PM
Gonna need a mid to late inning comeback to avoid 21
As expected, the comeback never came.
21
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 05, 2024, 11:00:43 PM
As expected, the comeback never came.
21
It is a small, but real, chance the could end up 100 games below .500.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 05, 2024, 07:42:31 PM
Quit waffling, take a stand, tell us how you really feel, stop sugar coating your position, why make us read between the lines? ;D
I'm as joyless as he is. But when you have contempt for your players, your fans, and the city your two teams play in, maybe people are gonna pine for your demise as you crack 90.
Why on earth is the White Sox TV play-by-play guy getting in a fight with the largest sports radio station in town? Of all the bad things to happen to the Sox this year, trading Jason Benetti for this yokel is near the top of the list.
Dbacks have transformed into the 2023 playoff Dbacks.
On a rampage up the standings right now.
Marte becoming a legit MVP challenger to Ohtani.
And this is with Carroll still having a faint pulse at best
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on August 05, 2024, 11:27:19 PM
I'm as joyless as he is. But when you have contempt for your players, your fans, and the city your two teams play in, maybe people are gonna pine for your demise as you crack 90.
I'd say it takes a well planned and well executed strategy to completely destroy your reputation after 7 championships. This is not simply bad luck.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 06, 2024, 08:14:48 AM
Why on earth is the White Sox TV play-by-play guy getting in a fight with the largest sports radio station in town? Of all the bad things to happen to the Sox this year, trading Jason Benetti for this yokel is near the top of the list.
He's playing to an audience of one.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 06, 2024, 08:14:48 AM
Why on earth is the White Sox TV play-by-play guy getting in a fight with the largest sports radio station in town? Of all the bad things to happen to the Sox this year, trading Jason Benetti for this yokel is near the top of the list.
Meh. The best announcer can't do anything for what may be the worst team ever assembled just as the worst announcer can't detract much from a world Champion. There are 20 of the 25 players, all the coaches, the front office and the owner who all rate as worse things for the franchise than any announcer could ever be.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 06, 2024, 01:34:05 PM
Meh. The best announcer can't do anything for what may be the worst team ever assembled just as the worst announcer can't detract much from a world Champion. There are 20 of the 25 players, all the coaches, the front office and the owner who all rate as worse things for the franchise than any announcer could ever be.
That's not what I said but OK.
I don't know if I can share the story publicly, but I have a pretty good Jon Schriffin story that I'd love to share that I witnessed in person back in June in Detroit.
Schriffin is pandering to the guy who hates the media, Jerry.
A's are still the disaster we all know and love
Of course they allow the streak to end
Alas, nothing good lasts forever.
Still time for the White Sox to break the record this season, though!
Quote from: MU82 on August 07, 2024, 07:34:39 AM
Alas, nothing good lasts forever.
Still time for the White Sox to break the record this season, though!
Hard to see 10 more wins this year and another double digit losing streak is very likely.
Maybe winning a game will piss off JR so much he actually fires someone.
EDIT: I just realized the Sox Manager, Pedro Grifol, salary would make him the 72nd highest paid coach in D1 basketball. JR is not going to fire him.
Quote from: MU82 on August 07, 2024, 07:34:39 AM
Alas, nothing good lasts forever.
Don't cry cause it's over, smile because it happened.
Aroldis Capman throws really fast
The White Sox fired Pedro Grifol. He was not a strong hire to begin with, every other MLB would have fired him last year and there was not logical reason not to fire him, but in typical Sox fashion there is no reason to fire him at this point either.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 08, 2024, 09:22:28 AM
The White Sox fired Pedro Grifol. He was not a strong hire to begin with, every other MLB would have fired him last year and there was not logical reason not to fire him, but in typical Sox fashion there is no reason to fire him at this point either.
Looking forward to their next underwhelming hire this offseason
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on August 08, 2024, 09:52:54 AM
Looking forward to their next underwhelming hire this offseason
Why would a promising up-and-comer want to tie their future to that organization right now?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 08, 2024, 09:55:54 AM
Why would a promising up-and-comer want to tie their future to that organization right now?
They wouldn't. I wasn't being serious.
Since Ozzie, it's been Ventura, Renteria, La Russa, and then Grifol. I don't even bother trying to understand this org anymore, it's brutal.
Young up-and-comer Louie Aparicio is available!
Since the season could not possibly get worse, the Sox should just hire Ozzie as the interim for the last two months. In the spirit of Bill Veeck (or "Veeek" as Jon Schriffen would say) it'd be a move made to sell tickets and get headlines.
LaRussa is still available.
I hear that he is a hall-of-fame baseball person. He's not up to snuff on some of the written rules, but he is the only person on earth who knows ALL of the unwritten ones (except for maybe 50,000 Cardinal fans.
And he does stay awake in the dugout most of the time.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on August 06, 2024, 04:25:45 PM
I don't know if I can share the story publicly, but I have a pretty good Jon Schriffin story that I'd love to share that I witnessed in person back in June in Detroit.
If it involves him looking like a boob, I'd love to hear it.
This Chourio kid ain't too bad.
Rookie of the Year, aina?
Well then, peddle his ass, hey?
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on August 08, 2024, 11:21:13 AM
Since the season could not possibly get worse, the Sox should just hire Ozzie as the interim for the last two months. In the spirit of Bill Veeck (or "Veeek" as Jon Schriffen would say) it'd be a move made to sell tickets and get headlines.
Whoa! Hold on with the snarkiness. The Chicago White Sox are playing for keeps now..... they also fired the Assistant Hitting Coach.
If that doesn't demonstrate the commitment to becoming the next great franchise in all of sports, I don't know what does.
And equally as important, they are switching from Coke to Pepsi. This is some serious $h!t.
I hear Cash considerations is progressing quickly through the minors though
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on August 08, 2024, 03:07:44 PM
I hear Cash considerations is progressing quickly through the minors though
JR's favorite player. Almost as loved by JR as "
<blank> to pick up a potion of the salary".
Matt Wallner last year on a division winning playoff team: .877 OPS and a 139 OPS+ in 254 PA
This year: Starts the year with a 2/25. Not good. But bizarre 2 week sample size for a guy with the above track record
Rots in minors for 3 months. *slugs .800 with 12 homers in June alone*
Gets called up when Austin Martin(cant hit the ball 10 feet) get hurt.
Matt Wallner entered todays game with a OPS+ of 189 which includes the 25 Abs that got him demoted. He hit a 3 run bomb to beat the Guardians.
Moral of the story, Twins are fu cking stacked even ignoring the injuries. If they paid less attention to the Kyle farmers and Manuel Margots. And just let the talent do what they do.
Brew Crew really helping the run differential the last few days.
Dumb and random question. Why does the total bases stat not inclued walks and HBP?
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 10, 2024, 06:22:07 AM
Dumb and random question. Why does the total bases stat not inclued walks and HBP?
Total Bases is strictly a hitting stat - the number of bases a batter gets through their hits. Similar to batting Average.
OBP includes walks and HBP.
It's August 11th and the Brewers have a 10 run lead for best run differential in the National League. If you tell me you predicted that before the season started, you're a liar.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 11, 2024, 12:14:00 AM
It's August 11th and the Brewers have a 10 run lead for best run differential in the National League. If you tell me you predicted that before the season started, you're a liar.
But the bigger surprise to me is their pitching. Lost their best starter and best reliever. Nobodies like Tobias Myers and stiffs like Colin area have been fantastic.
But offense is what makes a team fun to watch. And yes, it was unexpected - especially with 5 first or second year players starting.
It is one game. But welcome back, Kerry Carpenter. 11 weeks out. Two dingers in his first game back. Now get Riley Greene back. Maybe the anticipated offense finally shows up.
Quote from: tower912 on August 13, 2024, 06:58:05 PM
It is one game. But welcome back, Kerry Carpenter. 11 weeks out. Two dingers in his first game back. Now get Riley Greene back. Maybe the anticipated offense finally shows up.
He's nice
They gotta let him face lefties and see if he can figure them out.
Juan Soto is having a massive game and season
Being overshadowed by Judge. But man, what a year.
Sizemore already making Grifol look smarter.
Quote from: Jockey on August 15, 2024, 09:16:31 AM
Sizemore already making Grifol look smarter.
It must be in the water at 35th and Shields.
If you think walking Soto makes sense (I can understand that), then why not walk Judge also? Two IBB in a row is not so crazy that it would never be done. I think some teams walked Bonds with the bases loaded.
If manfred is truly even considering this 6 inning pitcher rule, he should immediately be impeached
And not dramatic, whoever came up with the idea should literally be lit on fire. Scary there's this kind of stupid out there.
Agreed.
Proposed exceptions: 100 pitches, 4 runs, injury requiring a stint on the DL.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 15, 2024, 12:56:11 PM
It must be in the water at 35th and Shields.
If you think walking Soto makes sense (I can understand that), then why not walk Judge also? Two IBB in a row is not so crazy that it would never be done. I think some teams walked Bonds with the bases loaded.
Absolutely agree. In the last 75 years, only Barry Bonds and Ted Williams have been better offensively than Judge has this year.
So unless Williams or Bonds is batting ahead of him, you don't walk anyone to get to Judge -unless, as you said, you also walk Judge
But at least Sizemore is cheap.
Quote from: tower912 on August 15, 2024, 01:17:45 PM
Agreed.
Proposed exceptions: 100 pitches, 4 runs, injury requiring a stint on the DL.
Yeah. That alone is crazy
But the article I read said 4 or more EARNED runs. Which is even more insane if true.
Pitcher gives up 8 unearned runs on 50 pitches through 2. Gotta tough it out or hit the IL with a fake injury.
Zero chance it ever happens. Every player would refuse to play. But truly stunned it's even out there as an idea.
They want more offense. Bringing in a fresh arm throwing 98 with movement every inning hurts scoring.
Can't imagine the MLBPA would ever let it happen. Would think it's "strike worthy" and a very firm line they would draw in the sand.
I'll take a series split with the dodgers any day.
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 15, 2024, 01:38:25 PM
Can't imagine the MLBPA would ever let it happen. Would think it's "strike worthy" and a very firm line they would draw in the sand.
I doubt they would find it strike worthy.
I'll take the other side - I don't think the six inning rule is THAT insane. Justin Verlander was really eloquent in proposing something similar earlier this year. The question is what the penalty would be if your pitcher fails to go six innings without falling under one of the exceptions, and how to prevent faking injuries to get out of that penalty. If its like, lose your DH for the rest of the game and if you pull a pitcher early for injury he can't pitch again for 7 days (making you figure out a spot starter for one game) that seems reasonable to me.
Quote from: MUBurrow on August 15, 2024, 04:25:56 PM
I'll take the other side - I don't think the six inning rule is THAT insane. Justin Verlander was really eloquent in proposing something similar earlier this year. The question is what the penalty would be if your pitcher fails to go six innings without falling under one of the exceptions, and how to prevent faking injuries to get out of that penalty. If its like, lose your DH for the rest of the game and if you pull a pitcher early for injury he can't pitch again for 7 days (making you figure out a spot starter for one game) that seems reasonable to me.
That will never work
Its all just going to promote pitchers hiding soreness/fatigue. More injuries.
Its a truly bat sh it idea. Its also ignoring all the negligence of it all flat out incompetent off the simple fact the MLB rule for eternity is 5 innings qualifies as a win.
If there was ever a time for the Happy Gilmore academic quote, it would be following the proposal of this rule.
There isnt an ounce of practicality or sound thinking to it at all.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 15, 2024, 04:39:50 PM
If there was ever a time for the Happy Gilmore academic quote, it would be following the proposal of this rule.
Billy Madison. For shame mixing up your Adam Sandler movies.
Veronica Vaughn...so hot want to touch the heine, aina?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 15, 2024, 01:16:33 PM
If manfred is truly even considering this 6 inning pitcher rule, he should immediately be impeached
And not dramatic, whoever came up with the idea should literally be lit on fire. Scary there's this kind of stupid out there.
Manfred hates baseball so unsurprised
Double hook rule is the answer. Adds intrigue and strategy, I'm in favor of it at least at the 5 inning mark.
Yelich out for the year. Undergoing back surgery.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 15, 2024, 05:44:37 PM
Billy Madison. For shame mixing up your Adam Sandler movies.
God dammit
In my defense tbs has been running a marathon of both a lot lately and I caught them back to back a couple Sundays ago for a bit each
But brutal blunder.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 15, 2024, 06:14:57 PM
Yelich out for the year. Undergoing back surgery.
That's too bad. I didn't realize he was having such a good season. That said, the Brewers have an impressive record.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 15, 2024, 05:53:15 PM
Veronica Vaughn...so hot want to touch the heine, aina?
Just dye your hair orange.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 15, 2024, 04:39:50 PM
That will never work
Its all just going to promote pitchers hiding soreness/fatigue. More injuries.
Its a truly bat sh it idea. Its also ignoring all the negligence of it all flat out incompetent off the simple fact the MLB rule for eternity is 5 innings qualifies as a win.
If there was ever a time for the Happy Gilmore academic quote, it would be following the proposal of this rule.
There isnt an ounce of practicality or sound thinking to it at all.
I also think the proposal looks a lot of the wrong benchmarks (i agree 6 IP vs 5 jumps out), but I really don't get the visceral hate. I come out where Dish does. The sound thinking is to try to use carrots and sticks to reincentivize longevity over pure stuff. Throwing 60 high spin curveballs is what makes your arm fall off, not throwing 100 fastballs. The logic is that if teams at the highest level are sufficiently incentivized to start pitchers who go deep into games, that will filter down to the lower levels and pitchers will be rewarded for location and control rather than just the most movement.
The reason I'm skeptical is that the nasty stuff cat is out of the bag, and if I'm trying to make it to the big leagues, I'm going to ride my nasty stuff as long as I can and if it leaves me as a reliever, so be it.
Quote from: MUBurrow on August 15, 2024, 07:24:51 PM
I also think the proposal looks a lot of the wrong benchmarks (i agree 6 IP vs 5 jumps out), but I really don't get the visceral hate. I come out where Dish does. The sound thinking is to try to use carrots and sticks to reincentivize longevity over pure stuff. Throwing 60 high spin curveballs is what makes your arm fall off, not throwing 100 fastballs. The logic is that if teams at the highest level are sufficiently incentivized to start pitchers who go deep into games, that will filter down to the lower levels and pitchers will be rewarded for location and control rather than just the most movement.
The reason I'm skeptical is that the nasty stuff cat is out of the bag, and if I'm trying to make it to the big leagues, I'm going to ride my nasty stuff as long as I can and if it leaves me as a reliever, so be it.
The visceral hate would be trying to subjectively state what type of start should say a pitcher mandatory goes 6 innings.
What if a team wants to call up a prospect for a spot start? That guy has to go 6 innings?
For decades its been a thing where guys working back from injury are on pitch counts. So now guys have to ramp up fully in the minors and when they come back are required to throw 100 pitches before they can legally leave a game?
Its just asking for guys to blow out their arm. Asking them to lie about fatigue.
It also completely takes game to game circumstances out of it. Maybe a guy does deal for 4 shut out innings. But what if he had to battle out of jams. Threw 85 pitches and its 98 degrees out? Get back out there bud or hit the IL for a week?? Crazy.
Shouldn't bother me or anyone that much simply because there's a better chance I win the election than this actually happens. But its delusional at best. Negligent and incompetent at worst.
My hot take is the double hook should be no matter what inning the SP comes out. Only because it'd be great strategy to see what a team does and fun to watch play out.
Even if it's 5 IP=stay in the batting order, I can't see a good argument against the double hook.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 15, 2024, 07:50:37 PM
The visceral hate would be trying to subjectively state what type of start should say a pitcher mandatory goes 6 innings.
What if a team wants to call up a prospect for a spot start? That guy has to go 6 innings?
For decades its been a thing where guys working back from injury are on pitch counts. So now guys have to ramp up fully in the minors and when they come back are required to throw 100 pitches before they can legally leave a game?
Its just asking for guys to blow out their arm. Asking them to lie about fatigue.
It also completely takes game to game circumstances out of it. Maybe a guy does deal for 4 shut out innings. But what if he had to battle out of jams. Threw 85 pitches and its 98 degrees out? Get back out there bud or hit the IL for a week?? Crazy.
Shouldn't bother me or anyone that much simply because there's a better chance I win the election than this actually happens. But its delusional at best. Negligent and incompetent at worst.
I just don't think its this "has to" "mandatory" thing. Its not like if your SP doesn't go 6 innings your team loses. Its a proposal that says "if you want to build a rotation of Blake Snells, its going to cost you something." Right now, that doesn't cost you anything because the game has evolved to where you have 8 RPs with stuff as good as most starters. And incentivizing that level of stuff is causing everyone from teenagers to pros to blow their arms out. The double hook or whatever penalty (or reward) there would be on the 5 or 6 inning threshold is just trying to use carrots and sticks to create an incentive to reward teams for rostering pitchers who have designed their arsenal to go deeper into games. And that seems a worthwhile project.
Quote from: MUBurrow on August 15, 2024, 09:24:29 PM
I just don't think its this "has to" "mandatory" thing. Its not like if your SP doesn't go 6 innings your team loses. Its a proposal that says "if you want to build a rotation of Blake Snells, its going to cost you something." Right now, that doesn't cost you anything because the game has evolved to where you have 8 RPs with stuff as good as most starters. And incentivizing that level of stuff is causing everyone from teenagers to pros to blow their arms out. The double hook or whatever penalty (or reward) there would be on the 5 or 6 inning threshold is just trying to use carrots and sticks to create an incentive to reward teams for rostering pitchers who have designed their arsenal to go deeper into games. And that seems a worthwhile project.
But again,
Its far deeper than that. First off, it is using carrots and sticks to try and force guys into over extending. Like that is the point of it.
But also, why its deeper is because not all games are equal. So because a guy battles his ass off to get through 4 innings in smouldering heat you have to eat the penalty?
If guys are working back from injury and can only go 75 pitches just gotta be ready to eat it?
About the only thing they can reasonably do is find a way to eliminate openers. No one is going for forcing starters to go anywhere close to 6 innings.
Is the lack of starting pitching an actual problem?
Really? How so, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 16, 2024, 06:05:12 AM
Really? How so, hey?
I don't know if this is a question for me or not, but I personally don't care if a starter goes 3, 4, 5...or 9 innings. It feels like more like nostalgia of a bygone era more than anything.
I think the biggest issue with lack of offense is the HR or bust nature of how hitters approach ABs these days. Part of that is because MLB has built a bunch of tiny ballparks, and because metrics dictate it might be the most efficient way to approach offense.
Dish's concept of a double hook is somewhat intriguing, but I doubt it will have much impact. Teams will bat the DH toward the bottom of the order, try to get a couple ABs out of him, and then it just becomes a bunch of PH and bullpen games like it was in the NL. Which wasn't really all that interesting either.
The Guardians are entering Milwaukee with the best record in baseball. Here's hoping they leave with it. Go Guardians!
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/brewers-owner-mark-attanasio-accused-of-stealing-sand-from-malibus-broad-beach/
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on August 16, 2024, 04:08:13 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/brewers-owner-mark-attanasio-accused-of-stealing-sand-from-malibus-broad-beach/
No wonder he won't pay up for a starting pitcher.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 16, 2024, 03:58:16 AM
Is the lack of starting pitching an actual problem?
Honestly, I don't think so. I attend 30-40 games a year and watch many more on television, and I truly feel like in most of the games I see, the starting pitchers will throw 90-100 pitches before getting pulled. I wouldn't want to see pitchers being forced to throw more than that or their teams would be penalized; guys would be getting injured even more than they already are.
I guess the argument could be made that it's more exciting to see a pitcher try to get through a batting order for the fourth time instead of those same batters being forced to face a parade of flame throwing terminators out of the pen. But hey, the game has changed. I still like it.
I thought twins signing the corpse of Carlos Santana was brutal. Due to our youthful depth and guaranteeing him a major role rather than bench role .
He proceeded to start the year as a man who should have been DFA'd if not for being a 5 mil contract on a cheap team.
It's now august. Welp. Hell of a signing. He's likely going to get a gold glove. He's a legit menace as a righty. Serviceable as a lefty(much better since his awful start).
Guys 38 and still got it. Also, hasn't been caught stealing in like 7 years
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on August 16, 2024, 08:02:55 PM
Honestly, I don't think so. I attend 30-40 games a year and watch many more on television, and I truly feel like in most of the games I see, the starting pitchers will throw 90-100 pitches before getting pulled. I wouldn't want to see pitchers being forced to throw more than that or their teams would be penalized; guys would be getting injured even more than they already are.
Thank you. This is kinda what I think as well.
baseball has become a big game of studying strengths and weaknesses-he who adapts and exploits those the best, WINS!
a good friend of mine told me the when a player get's really good, the opposition immediately studies how to beat them from both the pitcher and batter pov.
ok ok yes, this has been done for decades, but with the new technology and probably use of AI, they have taken this to the next level. those who can adapt, avoid injuries, recover from injuries, change their games etc, survive
exhibit A-keston hiura
exhibit B-r.a. dickey
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 16, 2024, 08:05:53 AM
The Guardians are entering Milwaukee with the best record in baseball. Here's hoping they leave with it. Go Guardians!
Well that worked out well for you.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 18, 2024, 03:50:28 PM
Well that worked out well for you.
I'm a Cleveland fan; it's expected.
The Brewers next 23 games are against teams that don't currently have a winning record. The pessimist in me says this is the kind of stretch the Brewers usually choke on. The optimist in me says ef that, let's nab a first round bye
Tigers walk off the Yankees in Williamsport. Now they get to spend a week in Chicago. It should be quite the experience.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 18, 2024, 09:03:00 PM
The Brewers next 23 games are against teams that don't currently have a winning record. The pessimist in me says this is the kind of stretch the Brewers usually choke on. The optimist in me says ef that, let's nab a first round bye
Exactly my thought.
Hard to handle Washington and Miami. No probs with Atlanta, LA, Cleveland.
Do we assume Judge is not on PEDs?
If so, does it "matter" if he becomes the first unjuiced player to have two 60-HR seasons?
Quote from: MU82 on August 20, 2024, 06:14:43 PM
Do we assume Judge is not on PEDs?
If so, does it "matter" if he becomes the first unjuiced player to have two 60-HR seasons?
I do not.
Quote from: MU82 on August 20, 2024, 06:14:43 PM
Do we assume Judge is not on PEDs?
If so, does it "matter" if he becomes the first unjuiced player to have two 60-HR seasons?
Not to open a can of worms on this, but what even *is* a PED is a little blurry. Google something along the lines of "BPC-157" and you'll find a pharmacopia of "research chemicals" that are used WIDELY by the bodybuilding/MMA/influencer grindset (think Huberman/Attia/Humiston). Some of those are USADA banned. Some aren't.
Is Judge doing it on the whiskey/hotdog/cigar diet of Babe Ruth? No. Is he doing it on the Trenboloney Sandwiches of Bonds? Also no. Is he doing it on... something? Maybe. Is that ... something... a PED? No clue.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 21, 2024, 08:19:45 AM
Not to open a can of worms on this, but what even *is* a PED is a little blurry. Google something along the lines of "BPC-157" and you'll find a pharmacopia of "research chemicals" that are used WIDELY by the bodybuilding/MMA/influencer grindset (think Huberman/Attia/Humiston). Some of those are USADA banned. Some aren't.
Is Judge doing it on the whiskey/hotdog/cigar diet of Babe Ruth? No. Is he doing it on the Trenboloney Sandwiches of Bonds? Also no. Is he doing it on... something? Maybe. Is that ... something... a PED? No clue.
Good points.
I asked my questions because there was a discussion on the pregame show a couple days ago (either Fox, TBS or MLB, I can't remember which), in which one of the panelists very enthusiastically and confidently proclaimed Judge to be the greatest non-PED-using HR hitter of all time. How can that person could know whether or not Judge is or isn't using anything? He can't.
That's one of the shames about the juicing era; everybody has become a "suspect." And maybe it doesn't even matter.
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2024, 09:01:04 AM
Good points.
I asked my questions because there was a discussion on the pregame show a couple days ago (either Fox, TBS or MLB, I can't remember which), in which one of the panelists very enthusiastically and confidently proclaimed Judge to be the greatest non-PED-using HR hitter of all time. How can that person could know whether or not Judge is or isn't using anything? He can't.
That's one of the shames about the juicing era; everybody has become a "suspect." And maybe it doesn't even matter.
I both think think the 1st bolded sentence is true in part and false in part. I'm not sure that even without the obvious juicing of the McGwire/Sosa/Bonds era that people would look at big dudes doing historical numbers with bright-eyed niavete. How many people think that *something* isn't helping out every NFL player as they continue to get bigger, faster, stronger, leaner, more athletic with each passing year? There hasn't really been a "juicing era" in the NFL that is on par with what MLB went through to prompt that suspicion... it's just a mix of common sense, practicality, and human nature's capacity for cynicism I suppose.
As for whether it matters, I'm not sure on that front either. Roger Bannister ran a sub-4 minute mile in 1954. Since then it's become not exactly *common* but not exactly newsworthy either. The majority of that difference is in better understanding of nutrition and training. Even stripping out every piece of supplementary aid (drugs, supplements, peptides, fancy shoes, etc.), the mere understanding of what to eat and how to train that is available to every dedicated kid with an internet connection today moves the needle a LONG way. This is part of why I always find most GOAT arguments to be silly. Comparing athletes across eras that are so different as to be practically different sports is an exercise in futility. How would Jordan fair in an NBA that allows zone defenses and emphasizes the 3-pt shot? How would Steph fair having to get mugged by Bill Lambier? It's impossible to do answer with anything more than pure speculation.
And it's not just that the rules change or the strategic emphasis changes either. Does Hank Aaron hit 1000 HRs with modern diet and training because he gets 10 more a year and plays an extra 3 seasons? What about video aids and scouting reports? You think Tony Gwynn was a tough out before, what would he do with the modern live pitcher modeling cages that mimic opposing pitchers' exact deliveries?
I guess to some extent I reflect on when I was a kid and McGwire/Sosa had the chase to break Roger Maris' record and we all *wanted* to get excited about it. Then Bonds did it and we all kinda knew something was up. And when the BALCO story broke I thought "good, we're cleaning up the game because a clean game matters, Bonds' record shouldn't stand over Aarons'." But as the years went on I started to get less and less precious about it. Put stuff on the list, test for it, because fairness matters and frankly most of this stuff is bad for people who use it, but it's not really about maintaining a *pure* game. The game is always changing and has always been riddled with stuff under the hood that is bad but frankly doesn't matter to kids catching a foul ball or Cubs fans listening to the world series on a transistor radio by their dad's gravestone.
The Guardians beat the Yankees in 12 innings last night in the longest game of the MLB season: 4 hours, 5 minutes.
A couple years ago, before rule changes, it seemed that was about the length of the typical Yankees-Red Sox game that didn't go extra innings.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 21, 2024, 08:19:45 AM
Not to open a can of worms on this, but what even *is* a PED is a little blurry. Google something along the lines of "BPC-157" and you'll find a pharmacopia of "research chemicals" that are used WIDELY by the bodybuilding/MMA/influencer grindset (think Huberman/Attia/Humiston). Some of those are USADA banned. Some aren't.
Is Judge doing it on the whiskey/hotdog/cigar diet of Babe Ruth? No. Is he doing it on the Trenboloney Sandwiches of Bonds? Also no. Is he doing it on... something? Maybe. Is that ... something... a PED? No clue.
I think this is the correct take on this. And this is why the black and white nature of how we approach this just doesn't work.
Seems like everyone forgets that Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, etc. were having to face pitchers that were juiced.
The hitters seem to get the vast majotof the blame.
Quote from: Jockey on August 21, 2024, 12:38:37 PM
Seems like everyone forgets that Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, etc. were having to face pitchers that were juiced.
The hitters seem to get the vast majotof the blame.
I've got Roger Clemens on line one for you.
I could be way off, but when players got caught they just happened to be mostly hitters. Maybe the pitchers were smarter?
Quote from: jficke13 on August 21, 2024, 09:23:42 AM
I both think think the 1st bolded sentence is true in part and false in part. I'm not sure that even without the obvious juicing of the McGwire/Sosa/Bonds era that people would look at big dudes doing historical numbers with bright-eyed niavete. How many people think that *something* isn't helping out every NFL player as they continue to get bigger, faster, stronger, leaner, more athletic with each passing year? There hasn't really been a "juicing era" in the NFL that is on par with what MLB went through to prompt that suspicion... it's just a mix of common sense, practicality, and human nature's capacity for cynicism I suppose.
As for whether it matters, I'm not sure on that front either. Roger Bannister ran a sub-4 minute mile in 1954. Since then it's become not exactly *common* but not exactly newsworthy either. The majority of that difference is in better understanding of nutrition and training. Even stripping out every piece of supplementary aid (drugs, supplements, peptides, fancy shoes, etc.), the mere understanding of what to eat and how to train that is available to every dedicated kid with an internet connection today moves the needle a LONG way. This is part of why I always find most GOAT arguments to be silly. Comparing athletes across eras that are so different as to be practically different sports is an exercise in futility. How would Jordan fair in an NBA that allows zone defenses and emphasizes the 3-pt shot? How would Steph fair having to get mugged by Bill Lambier? It's impossible to do answer with anything more than pure speculation.
And it's not just that the rules change or the strategic emphasis changes either. Does Hank Aaron hit 1000 HRs with modern diet and training because he gets 10 more a year and plays an extra 3 seasons? What about video aids and scouting reports? You think Tony Gwynn was a tough out before, what would he do with the modern live pitcher modeling cages that mimic opposing pitchers' exact deliveries?
I guess to some extent I reflect on when I was a kid and McGwire/Sosa had the chase to break Roger Maris' record and we all *wanted* to get excited about it. Then Bonds did it and we all kinda knew something was up. And when the BALCO story broke I thought "good, we're cleaning up the game because a clean game matters, Bonds' record shouldn't stand over Aarons'." But as the years went on I started to get less and less precious about it. Put stuff on the list, test for it, because fairness matters and frankly most of this stuff is bad for people who use it, but it's not really about maintaining a *pure* game. The game is always changing and has always been riddled with stuff under the hood that is bad but frankly doesn't matter to kids catching a foul ball or Cubs fans listening to the world series on a transistor radio by their dad's gravestone.
All of that is reasonable. Thanks for the discussion.
If you get caught juicing it is because you are an idiot or careless. The doping/deceiving technology always outstrips testing.
Judge is a giant strong freak, so it wouldn't necessarily surprise me if he was all natural power. But then again it wouldn't surprise me if he was on some stuff too, most guys are in one way or another.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on August 21, 2024, 04:26:46 PM
If you get caught juicing it is because you are an idiot or careless. The doping/deceiving technology always outstrips testing.
Judge is a giant strong freak, so it wouldn't necessarily surprise me if he was all natural power. But then again it wouldn't surprise me if he was on some stuff too, most guys are in one way or another.
Correct. Dee freaking Gordon got suspended for 80 games for PED use. All 5'11", 166 lbs and 18 career home runs in 11 seasons.
But no way in hell a guy who was still spending time in the minor leagues as a 28 year old in his 8th year as a pro, then suddenly wins the Cy Young Award the very next season, has 4 good seasons, and then falls off a cliff was doing any kind of PEDs. Just look at his X profile picture. Clearly all natural!
https://x.com/JArrieta34/photo
Quote from: wadesworld on August 21, 2024, 04:45:49 PM
Correct. Dee freaking Gordon got suspended for 80 games for PED use. All 5'11", 166 lbs and 18 career home runs in 11 seasons.
But no way in hell a guy who was still spending time in the minor leagues as a 28 year old in his 8th year as a pro, then suddenly wins the Cy Young Award the very next season, has 4 good seasons, and then falls off a cliff was doing any kind of PEDs. Just look at his X profile picture. Clearly all natural!
https://x.com/JArrieta34/photo
I'm way huger than that and all natural!
Quote from: wadesworld on August 21, 2024, 04:45:49 PM
Correct. Dee freaking Gordon got suspended for 80 games for PED use. All 5'11", 166 lbs and 18 career home runs in 11 seasons.
But no way in hell a guy who was still spending time in the minor leagues as a 28 year old in his 8th year as a pro, then suddenly wins the Cy Young Award the very next season, has 4 good seasons, and then falls off a cliff was doing any kind of PEDs. Just look at his X profile picture. Clearly all natural!
https://x.com/JArrieta34/photo
I was told the Cubs were just good at tweaking mechanics.
Arrieta should have been on steroids. He was facing juiced hitters.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on August 21, 2024, 05:13:57 PM
I'm way huger than that and all natural!
We are talking about the guy on the left, not the right
Soto and Judge homer basically every night now
Lucky for the rest of baseball they are surrounded by mostly trash. Cause if they had help it would be the best team of all time.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 21, 2024, 06:14:21 PM
We are talking about the guy on the left, not the right
Dammit!
The fact that that's the first gut wrenching loss of the season and it's late August, I suppose I'll be okay with the 11 game lead.
The Dodgers again have the best record in baseball. Hopefully they can do something in the playoffs this year. And, we get to watch Ohtani try to become the first player in history with 50 HRs and 50 stolen bases.
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 21, 2024, 11:14:13 PM
The fact that that's the first gut wrenching loss of the season and it's late August, I suppose I'll be okay with the 11 game lead.
Yep. I almost bumped the discussion on Murphy from earlier in the thread but took a deep breath and didn't. Leaving Williams in to throw his 5th-8th consecutive balls to tie the game was a brutal decision. But with that cushion, maybe the attempt to build confidence and cohesion is worth the risk? But going into that batter, he was on his 28th pitch and his 44th in two days, and had loaded the bases for the second day in a row. Its not like he was suddenly going to find his good stuff.
Quote from: MUBurrow on August 22, 2024, 09:12:55 AM
Yep. I almost bumped the discussion on Murphy from earlier in the thread but took a deep breath and didn't. Leaving Williams in to throw his 5th-8th consecutive balls to tie the game was a brutal decision. But with that cushion, maybe the attempt to build confidence and cohesion is worth the risk? But going into that batter, he was on his 28th pitch and his 44th in two days, and had loaded the bases for the second day in a row. Its not like he was suddenly going to find his good stuff.
I thought he might have been pitching around Carpenter. Nope. He had just lost it.
What bothers me about last night is the fact that he had Megill warm up twice and was ready to go. That tells me he had a hunch that Devin might struggle. If that's the case why throw him at all? And when he does struggle, why not go to the guy you had up?
I could more easily deal with one of those situations where the closer has the inning, no one is getting loose, and he blows it. But this wasn't that.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on August 22, 2024, 12:43:13 AM
The Dodgers again have the best record in baseball. Hopefully they can do something in the playoffs this year. And, we get to watch Ohtani try to become the first player in history with 50 HRs and 50 stolen bases.
Will they be able to muster 12 pitchers for the Playoffs?
Quote from: MUBurrow on August 22, 2024, 09:12:55 AM
Yep. I almost bumped the discussion on Murphy from earlier in the thread but took a deep breath and didn't. Leaving Williams in to throw his 5th-8th consecutive balls to tie the game was a brutal decision. But with that cushion, maybe the attempt to build confidence and cohesion is worth the risk? But going into that batter, he was on his 28th pitch and his 44th in two days, and had loaded the bases for the second day in a row. Its not like he was suddenly going to find his good stuff.
I think it's really hard to pull your closer when you only have 1 out left to get. It can blow their confidence when you still have pretty good odds of getting out with a win. Especially when a loss doesn't hurt you playoff hopes.
Also the Brewers have a -4 run differential in the last 11 games but are 7-4. Tells me that we usually push the right buttons in close games
Yeah, people wanted to get cute and try and say Witt could win MVP
Judge is saying SHUT THE FU CK UP
Monster.
Danny Jansen will become the first ever MLB player to play for both teams in the same game this coming Monday.
To make it even better, Jansen is the scheduled batter for the Blue Jays when the suspended game resumes, with an 0-1 count. Alex Cora has announced that Jansen will catch, so Jansen would be the catcher for his own at bat (until the pinch hitter is officially announced).
Fan catches 3 foul balls in one inning.
https://x.com/kendallbaker/status/1827858939288883591
Quote from: MU82 on August 26, 2024, 06:49:29 AM
Fan catches 3 foul balls in one inning.
https://x.com/kendallbaker/status/1827858939288883591
Ladies and gentleman, your starting left fielder for your Chicago White Sox.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 26, 2024, 07:01:02 AM
Ladies and gentleman, your starting left fielder for your Chicago White Sox.
If only the Sox were that lucky.
BTW, tip of the cap to them for being only the second fastest to 100 losses (by one game). With the coming payroll reduction, I think they can break that record next year.
Quote from: MU82 on August 26, 2024, 06:49:29 AM
Fan catches 3 foul balls in one inning.
https://x.com/kendallbaker/status/1827858939288883591
Zach Hampel absolutely SEETHING
In addition to hitting for power better than any non-juiced(?) MLB player since Babe Ruth, and having both a great OPS and BA, Aaron Judge is a pretty damn good outfielder who often makes catches like this:
https://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1828222160441352372?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=10831801&userId=3738391
BTW - he turned the double play after making that catch.
Anyone see the Maddux documentary on MLB Network? Ive not watched it yet but the clips Ive see on X and elsewhere are pretty awesome. Some of the stories about his playing days border on apocryphal, so to see them relayed and corroborated by a bunch of players is great. Dude was truly a freak on the mound
Holy crap. I just saw Choruio? hit about a 500 ft dinger against SF. How good is this kid?
Kids on a heater. If he keeps playing like he has after the break that contract is gonna look like the steal of the century.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 27, 2024, 08:04:55 PM
Kids on a heater. If he keeps playing like he has after the break that contract is gonna look like the steal of the century.
I haven't watched much of the Brewers here in Cali. Do they have a punchers chance vs LA or Philly?
Punchers chance? Absolutely.
As likely to get swept as they are to win the whole dang thing. They're a chaos team. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they finish 3rd in the NL and fail to get to the DS. Wouldn't surprise me if they get a pennant.
Brewers - with the 2nd best records in all of baseball - are listed at 11th on Fanduel for World Series odds.
Take their money.
Obtain records 43/43. New MLB record.
One month and a few days to go for 50/50.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on August 31, 2024, 01:05:58 AM
Obtain records 43/43. New MLB record.
One month and a few days to go for 50/50.
Nod to his massive contract? :D
Adames is one 3-run dinger from Griffey Jr.'s record for most 3-run homers in a season.
Ohtani now with 44/43.
Go Dodgers!!!
Quote from: Jockey on August 31, 2024, 10:22:51 PM
Adames is one 3-run dinger from Griffey Jr.'s record for most 3-run homers in a season.
Didn't know that was a stat kept. It's not on the back of a baseball card
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 01, 2024, 06:15:47 AM
Didn't know that was a stat kept. It's not on the back of a baseball card
Modern analytics.
Quote from: Jockey on August 31, 2024, 10:22:51 PM
Adames is one 3-run dinger from Griffey Jr.'s record for most 3-run homers in a season.
Now they are tied
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 02, 2024, 01:29:05 PM
Now they are tied
Speaking of record setting performances:
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Chicago dropped to 31-108 and lost its 20th straight game in which Chris Flexen (2-14) started, setting a major league mark for most consecutive losses in a pitcher's starts that had held by Milwaukee's Chris Capuano."
Who says there is no 'I' in TEAM? Stand up and be counted Chris Flexen!
I remember that streak for Capuano. If I remember right, he wasn't THAT bad. He got very little run support.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 02, 2024, 07:46:54 PM
I remember that streak for Capuano. If I remember right, he wasn't THAT bad. He got very little run support.
"
Capuano was 0-13 with a 6.12 ERA for Milwaukee in 23 appearances (19 starts) from May 13, 2007, through June 3, 2010" :o
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 02, 2024, 07:48:19 PM
"Capuano was 0-13 with a 6.12 ERA for Milwaukee in 23 appearances (19 starts) from May 13, 2007, through June 3, 2010" :o
Well, it appears he was THAT bad.
Ohtani swipes 3 more bags tonight.
Barring injury or a massive hitting slump he's gonna get 50/50
Just incredible.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 02, 2024, 08:45:38 PM
Well, it appears he was THAT bad.
BUT, not Chris Flexen bad.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 02, 2024, 07:48:19 PM
"Capuano was 0-13 with a 6.12 ERA for Milwaukee in 23 appearances (19 starts) from May 13, 2007, through June 3, 2010" :o
Two years ago, Tobias Myers was 1-15 with a 7.80 ERA against minor leaguers. Now he is arguably the ace of the staff for the Brewers.
Quote from: Jockey on September 02, 2024, 09:57:30 PM
Two years ago, Tobias Myers was 1-15 with a 7.80 ERA against minor leaguers. Now he is arguably the ace of the staff for the Brewers.
What's the lesson here? The Sox should continue to run Flexen out there?
It is obvious that the Sox are historically bad (about a .095 winning % since All Star break) and that has contributed to Flexen making history. Maybe there is a future for him.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 03, 2024, 09:24:24 AM
What's the lesson here? The Sox should continue to run Flexen out there?
It is obvious that the Sox are historically bad (about a .095 winning % since All Star break) and that has contributed to Flexen making history. Maybe there is a future for him.
I'd say thats the unlikely lesson. Flexen stinks
Myers is a young arm who struggled in the minors. Flexen is a 30 year old who has a career ERA of 5. And even his couple of solid years a few years back, had advanced metrics that screamed big decline.
Myers actually has some potential regression in underlying metrics too. But still a very impressive rookie campaign.
Reinsdorf and Getz have both said this is not a rebuild this year.
Think how bad they MIGHT have been.
Quote from: Jockey on September 03, 2024, 09:43:13 AM
Reinsdorf and Getz have both said this is not a rebuild this year.
Think how bad they MIGHT have been.
I honestly think that next year will be worse. The farm system is not very good (that's why the head of the farm system was promoted to GM >:() and there are rumors JR wants to cut payroll.
Did you know if JR can cut into attendance enough, the State of Illinois has to stroke him a check?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 02, 2024, 07:44:53 PM
Speaking of record setting performances:
"Chicago dropped to 31-108 and lost its 20th straight game in which Chris Flexen (2-14) started, setting a major league mark for most consecutive losses in a pitcher's starts that had held by Milwaukee's Chris Capuano."
Who says there is no 'I' in TEAM? Stand up and be counted Chris Flexen!
It's kinda funny because there once was an old tongue-in-cheek saying that was something like "you have to be a really good starter to lose 20 games in a season." The conventional wisdom being that in a scenario in which you take the statistical loss in 20 starts, you have to be good enough that the team wants you to start 20+ games in a season, only you have to get absolutely no run support.
A glance at Flexen's numbers suggests that he might... uh... not fit that mold.
Quote from: Jockey on September 03, 2024, 09:43:13 AM
Reinsdorf and Getz have both said this is not a rebuild this year.
Think how bad they MIGHT have been.
Nobody admits they are in a rebuild year.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 03, 2024, 10:13:11 AM
Nobody admits they are in a rebuild year.
True, but JR said that Getz would get the Sox back in contention faster than
ANYONE ELSE could.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 03, 2024, 10:13:11 AM
Nobody admits they are in a rebuild year.
To further your point, Saban tried to, once, and was crucified for it.
https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2022/08/nick-saban-has-more-to-say-about-his-rebuilding-year-comment.html (https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2022/08/nick-saban-has-more-to-say-about-his-rebuilding-year-comment.html)
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 03, 2024, 09:58:33 AM
I honestly think that next year will be worse.
So, you're saying Getz will get an extension?
Quote from: Jockey on September 03, 2024, 11:45:24 AM
So, you're saying Getz will get an extension?
;D ;D
I'm a Scooper; "5 years to make any judgment call". ::)
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 03, 2024, 09:58:33 AM
I honestly think that next year will be worse.
Doubt it. Very difficult to top the epic futility that was 2024.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 03, 2024, 10:13:11 AM
Nobody admits they are in a rebuild year.
This is true in MLB and NFL, but NBA and NHL teams have been pretty open about tanking/rebuilding. Maybe it's because of the draft lotteries and the greater likelihood that a single player can turn a franchise around.
Sox down 7-0 in the 2nd
You gotta just start awarding teams the wins and save injury risk
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on September 03, 2024, 06:26:41 PM
Sox down 7-0 in the 2nd
You gotta just start awarding teams the wins and save injury risk
So there's still a chance.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 03, 2024, 05:02:33 PM
Doubt it. Very difficult to top the epic futility that was 2024.
Common sense says you are correct. Common sense says every teams wins 50 and loses 50, it's what you do with the balance of the 62 games makes your season.
Not trying to be a smart ass, but I don't think the average fan comprehends the abject disaster the White Sox organization is. If Getz is retained and the rumors are true that they are cutting payroll, paired with the fact that the farm system is below average, leads me to believe it will get worse. It's not like they have been decimated by injuries and just need guys to get healthy.
Perhaps there is something I am missing, besides 'common sense', that can make anyone think it will get better?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 03, 2024, 06:49:20 PM
Common sense says you are correct. Common sense says every teams wins 50 and loses 50, it's what you do with the balance of the 62 games makes your season.
Not trying to be a smart ass, but I don't think the average fan comprehends the abject disaster the White Sox organization is. If Getz is retained and the rumors are true that they are cutting payroll, paired with the fact that the farm system is below average, leads me to believe it will get worse. It's not like they have been decimated by injuries and just need guys to get healthy.
Perhaps there is something I am missing, besides 'common sense', that can make anyone think it will get better?
Maybe it'll kill Jerry
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 03, 2024, 06:53:22 PM
Maybe it'll kill Jerry
A 20% reductions of profits would kill Jerry. 130 loss season doesn't rate in his top 100 problems.
I am not kidding, I would take any player on the White Sox for AUstin Martin
One of the all time worst players I have ever watched. And of course Rocco plays him cause, well he's Rocco.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on September 03, 2024, 07:31:16 PM
I am not kidding, I would take any player on the White Sox for AUstin Martin
One of the all time worst players I have ever watched. And of course Rocco plays him cause, well he's Rocco.
You can have 2022 Leury Garcia
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41120235/braves-whit-merrifield-rips-state-pitching-mlb-hbp (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41120235/braves-whit-merrifield-rips-state-pitching-mlb-hbp)
Whit Merrifield pissed. Not completely unfounded, though I would like to see some numbers behind whether or not this is more common now.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 03, 2024, 10:13:11 AM
Nobody admits they are in a rebuild year.
Nobody? As in it's never happened? Sure.
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 04, 2024, 09:14:42 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41120235/braves-whit-merrifield-rips-state-pitching-mlb-hbp (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41120235/braves-whit-merrifield-rips-state-pitching-mlb-hbp)
Whit Merrifield pissed. Not completely unfounded, though I would like to see some numbers behind whether or not this is more common now.
A pitcher accidentally hit me, and the only solution is to intentionally hit a player on the other team who had nothing to do with it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 04, 2024, 09:58:15 AM
Nobody? As in it's never happened? Sure.
Obvious hyperbole.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2024, 10:25:29 AM
A pitcher accidentally hit me, and the only solution is to intentionally hit a player on the other team who had nothing to do with it.
In the AL, yes.
There is some logic that pitchers would try to protect their own teammates by not plunking an opposing batter.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 04, 2024, 10:41:28 AM
In the AL, yes.
There is some logic that pitchers would try to protect their own teammates by not plunking an opposing batter.
I don't think there's much evidence, and Merrifield isn't suggesting, that the pitchers are intentionally hitting anyone. So, if it's not intentional, I don't see how threatening to hit another player really prevents it. Pitchers aren't going to stop pitching inside, because pitching inside works.
Merrifield's solution to the threat of injury hitters face from inside pitches is to ... threaten injury to other hitters? How does that make sense?
I'm not suggesting that there isn't an issue or that hitters don't have legitimate concerns. I'm saying his proposed solution - intentionally putting hitters at further risk of harm - is preposterous.
I do think you can do some things to try to make the penalty for hitting a batter more severe. For instance, you could treat it like a ground rule double. Or say that any HBP shoulder and above means an automatic ejection for the pitcher and the pitcher who takes his place has to pitch to at least six batters.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 04, 2024, 11:16:27 AM
I do think you can do some things to try to make the penalty for hitting a batter more severe. For instance, you could treat it like a ground rule double. Or say that any HBP shoulder and above means an automatic ejection for the pitcher and the pitcher who takes his place has to pitch to at least six batters.
How about the batter gets to throw at the pitcher?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 04, 2024, 11:16:27 AM
I do think you can do some things to try to make the penalty for hitting a batter more severe. For instance, you could treat it like a ground rule double. Or say that any HBP shoulder and above means an automatic ejection for the pitcher and the pitcher who takes his place has to pitch to at least six batters.
How about something like Little League rules ... two HBP in an inning or three in a game, and you're out.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 04, 2024, 11:20:45 AM
How about the batter gets to throw at the pitcher?
The Torii Hunter rule, I like it
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2024, 11:35:56 AM
How about something like Little League rules ... two HBP in an inning or three in a game, and you're out.
This seems like a pretty rare standard however.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2024, 11:05:21 AM
I don't think there's much evidence, and Merrifield isn't suggesting, that the pitchers are intentionally hitting anyone. So, if it's not intentional, I don't see how threatening to hit another player really prevents it. Pitchers aren't going to stop pitching inside, because pitching inside works.
Merrifield's solution to the threat of injury hitters face from inside pitches is to ... threaten injury to other hitters? How does that make sense?
I'm not suggesting that there isn't an issue or that hitters don't have legitimate concerns. I'm saying his proposed solution - intentionally putting hitters at further risk of harm - is preposterous.
I agree, not an intentional HBP situation.
I believe he was referring to pitchers throwing with little regard to where the pitch is located and focused primarily on velocity.
I'm saying there is logic to have the pitchers focus more on location than velocity for the safety of the batters they are facing and potentially for their own batters with respect to retaliation.
I respect the conclusion it is not the best solution, but it is not without merit.
Maybe they should let sticky stuff back in the game for pitchers.
The tough part is always determining if it's intentional or not. For example, the above the shoulders HBP as an ejection could be tough if a curve ball slips and hits the shoulder.
I feel like there's been an emphasis on batters protecting the outside and getting close to the plate, while pitchers want to make sure they aren't letting guys extend their arms.
I know the Brewers have had a few ugly HBPs of a guy getting hit in the face when bunting.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 04, 2024, 11:16:27 AM
I do think you can do some things to try to make the penalty for hitting a batter more severe. For instance, you could treat it like a ground rule double. Or say that any HBP shoulder and above means an automatic ejection for the pitcher and the pitcher who takes his place has to pitch to at least six batters.
I agree that a penalty more severe than awarding first base would be a good idea for teams/pitchers who hit batters at the shoulder level or higher.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 04, 2024, 01:43:04 PM
I agree that a penalty more severe than awarding first base would be a good idea for teams/pitchers who hit batters at the shoulder level or higher.
Like putting a fastball in the ear of the other team's SS? ;D
Quote from: Pakuni on September 04, 2024, 11:35:56 AM
How about something like Little League rules ... two HBP in an inning or three in a game, and you're out.
This kinda has existed forever in the whole "the umpires have warned the benches" thing. Once the warning has been issued, then any subsequent HBP regardless of intent is an ejection.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 04, 2024, 02:04:13 PM
This kinda has existed forever in the whole "the umpires have warned the benches" thing. Once the warning has been issued, then any subsequent HBP regardless of intent is an ejection.
The problem with the whole warning thing is that it's entirely arbitrary and subjective. A warning isn't issued after the vast majority of HBP, and then it's up to the whims of the umpire whether someone actually gets thrown out if there's another HBP or inside pitch.
It's not always the case, but it is usually pretty obvious when the HBP is intentional.
I would be interested in a study on which pitchers are hitting batters. Starters or relievers. Is it because guys are brought up who aren't ready?
Quote from: Jockey on September 04, 2024, 03:20:56 PM
It's not always the case, but it is usually pretty obvious when the HBP is intentional.
Yep. And really, how many beanball wars are there now? Hardly ever happens.
Accidents happen, especially at the velocity these guys throw at now. It's unfortunate. But ejecting someone for one pitch getting away is extreme.
Ohtani at 45/46.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 07, 2024, 01:33:26 AM
Ohtani at 45/46.
First MLB player ever to get to 45/46 on a Friday in September.
On Thursday night, Parker Meadows did something only Ted Williams had done. Hit a ninth inning grand slam to provide all of his team's runs in a 4-3 win. Meadows truly lived the dream. Two outs, full count.
Quote from: tower912 on September 07, 2024, 07:09:12 AM
On Thursday night, Parker Meadows did something only Ted Williams had done. Hit a ninth inning grand slam to provide all of his team's runs in a 4-3 win. Meadows truly lived the dream. Two outs, full count.
Did David bote not do this in like 2018? Against the nats. Or was that something like a 2-2 count?
Not according to the stat geeks. I think the uniqueness is that it provided Detroit's only runs of the game.
Quote from: MU82 on September 07, 2024, 07:04:17 AM
First MLB player ever to get to 45/46 on a Friday in September.
Anybody have any thoughts on a DH potentially winning the MVP award? I would love to see Ohtani take it, but not sure if a player who only hits should win it.
82, given your background as a sportswriter, any bias against a DH winning it?
How come it's Sept 7, the Brewers are up by 9 1/2 games over the Cubs and i'm still worried about them winning the division?
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 07, 2024, 02:27:52 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on a DH potentially winning the MVP award? I would love to see Ohtani take it, but not sure if a player who only hits should win it.
82, given your background as a sportswriter, any bias against a DH winning it?
Nah. Most voters would have no trouble picking Ohtani, and I'll be surprised if he doesn't win MVP decisively.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 07, 2024, 04:29:25 PM
How come it's Sept 7, the Brewers are up by 9 1/2 games over the Cubs and i'm still worried about them winning the division?
Cubs pitched a combined no-hitter two days ago. Since then, they've lost twice, failing to score a single run while managing only 5 total hits.
I wouldn't be very concerned if I were you.
Yeah. The Brewers are winning the division. Just bummer they've fallen back of one of the first round byes.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 07, 2024, 02:27:52 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on a DH potentially winning the MVP award? I would love to see Ohtani take it, but not sure if a player who only hits should win it.
SoCal,
Playing in the field at minimum is a tie breaker. Playing a premium position at an elite level is much more than that.But Ohtani at or near 50/50 will win going away this year. Kettle Marte had an outside chance before an extended stay on the IL, same with Ozuna when it looked like he'd win the triple crown.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 07, 2024, 04:29:25 PM
How come it's Sept 7, the Brewers are up by 9 1/2 games over the Cubs and i'm still worried about them winning the division?
Magic number is 10, 20 games to go. If they lose the Central it's one of the bigger collapses in memory.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 07, 2024, 04:29:25 PM
How come it's Sept 7, the Brewers are up by 9 1/2 games over the Cubs and i'm still worried about them winning the division?
Relax, Ned Yost is no longer the manager
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 08, 2024, 01:06:59 PM
Relax, Ned Yost is no longer the manager
I'm not convinced Murphy is all that much better than Ned was.
Quote from: MUfan12 on September 08, 2024, 04:44:41 PM
I'm not convinced Murphy is all that much better than Ned was.
Actually pretty similar I think. Good culture guys and motivators who make some weird ass decisions. But I might be misremembering Ned, I was pretty young.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 08, 2024, 04:59:06 PM
Actually pretty similar I think. Good culture guys and motivators who make some weird ass decisions. But I might be misremembering Ned, I was pretty young.
No you have it right. Both tend to manage the pen on hunches and struggle to put a lineup together.
Ned managed so tight in September that it rubbed off on the team. Murphy seems to have a good feel for the clubhouse so hopefully that doesn't happen again.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 08, 2024, 04:59:06 PM
Actually pretty similar I think. Good culture guys and motivators who make some weird ass decisions. But I might be misremembering Ned, I was pretty young.
"I'm not sure what his worst trait was. It's a toss-up between horrible bullpen management, no accountability for the players for a lack of on-field production, or being completely condescending to the media. Early in 2008 he was asked by a reporter if he found it a little odd that Rickie Weeks was one of the league leaders in runs scored, despite having a below-average on-base percentage (compared to other league leaders in runs scored). A rational human being would acknowledge the numbers then say something positive about his player and move on from there. Ned answered a different way: "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I specifically remember my head almost exploding when reading that. You also can't forget Ned's infamous "Money Order" where each postion on the field had an assigned spot in the batting order and it didn't matter who was playin that position, the order remained the same. You can read more about this phenomenon here."
https://sports.yahoo.com/10-best-things-being-brewers-fan-140122485.html
I think everyone outside of Milwaukee expected the Brewers to fall off this year. They have the 3rd best record in the MLB. Murphy has been very good. No manager makes every correct decision.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 08, 2024, 06:57:08 PM
I think everyone outside of Milwaukee expected the Brewers to fall off this year. They have the 3rd best record in the MLB. Murphy has been very good. No manager makes every correct decision.
Respectfully, that's how I can tell you're following standings. And that's fine. But the folks who watch them night in and night out have seen some really head-scratching in game decisions. Stuff that's getting called out even before it fails.
It's just jarring going from Counsell who was very data driven to Murphy who is largely going on vibes.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 07, 2024, 10:11:26 PM
SoCal,
Playing in the field at minimum is a tie breaker. Playing a premium position at an elite level is much more than that.But Ohtani at or near 50/50 will win going away this year. Kettle Marte had an outside chance before an extended stay on the IL, same with Ozuna when it looked like he'd win the triple crown.
Any love for Willy Adamas? He plays a premium position and hasn't missed a game all season. His leadership has really driven the Brewers this season. Also tied with Ohtani for NL RBI lead with 101. If the award was truly for the 'most valuable" Adamas would have a chance, but it tends to be a "best stats" award.
Judge is clearly the best hitter in baseball this year. Not even close.
Othani is obviously the best hitter in the NL, but is he the MVP only playing half the game? For me, the answer is no, but I understand why he will win the award.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on September 09, 2024, 07:41:39 AM
Any love for Willy Adamas? He plays a premium position and hasn't missed a game all season. His leadership has really driven the Brewers this season. Also tied with Ohtani for NL RBI lead with 101. If the award was truly for the 'most valuable" Adamas would have a chance, but it tends to be a "best stats" award.
Adames and Lindor round out the top 5 for me.
Don't get the lack of love for Lindor. Barring Injury:
1. Sure-fire 1st ballot HoFer
2. Will be #1 all-time HRs for a SS.
3. Elite defense.
4. #5 in WAR in MLB over last 5 years (yet didn't make an All-Star team).
5. WAR since June 1st is more than double of everyone except a handful of players in the NL and 1.9 better than Ohtani (did I mention he is elite on defense while Ohtani is non-existent?).
Simply put, he is a Hall of Famer at the apex of his career.
(Stats from FanGraphs.)
Quote from: Jockey on September 09, 2024, 01:41:50 PM
Don't get the lack of love for Lindor. Barring Injury:
1. Sure-fire 1st ballot HoFer
2. Will be #1 all-time HRs for a SS.
3. Elite defense.
4. #5 in WAR in MLB over last 5 years (yet didn't make an All-Star team).
5. WAR since June 1st is more than double of everyone except a handful of players in the NL and 1.9 better than Ohtani (did I mention he is elite on defense while Ohtani is non-existent?).
Simply put, he is a Hall of Famer at the apex of his career.
(Stats from FanGraphs.)
One of the most insanely underrated players of the last 10 years.
I don't think its fair, but I feel like he got largely written off when he went to the Mets, and their lack of playoff success has been held against him. Hell, he's been top 10 in MVP voting the last 2 years, All MLB team...and hasn't been an All Star since before COVID.
What's also funny, he was at his peak superstar buzz those years during and after their WS run (16-18). His oWAR during that time? 15.6 His oWAR the last 3 years? 17.1. The Mets have been a mess but he's been nothing but consistent while getting overlooked as a result (even as a 30-30 guy last year).
Hate to be that guy, but if he went to the Yankees instead of the Mets in 2021, he's probably got 8 ASG appearances and at least one more GG and SS.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 09, 2024, 02:59:43 PM
Hate to be that guy, but if he went to the Yankees instead of the Mets in 2021, he's probably got 8 ASG appearances and at least one more GG and SS.
Why do you hate to be accurate?
No doubt those are the primary reasons Lindor doesn't get the love he deserves. If looking for a pure baseball reason, maybe its that he's always been a notoriously slow starter. I only know that from playing fantasy - his full season numbers always look great, he gets drafted accordingly, and then whoever has him is very frustrated in May. He heats up as the summer wears on, but maybe by then folks have partially written him off.
Pop the cork! Sox are now 80 games under .500. >:(
Through 3 innings
Ohtani has gotten his 47 homer and his 48th stolen bag tonight
Simply incredible
Lindor surging into the MVP race creates a fun debate.
I still think even as a DH a FIFTY/FIFTY Ohtani should be a landslide winner. Also considering Dodgers haven't been a beacon of health around him.
But either way, still a good debate. And Lindor is crazy underrated.
But, David Ortiz comments I just saw. JFC. Guy should be forced to take a post season off.
Yeah bud, you not getting MVP is super similar.
Just like a young Crash Davis.
The Minnesota Twins released minor league catcher Derek Bender on Thursday after he told opposing hitters the types of pitches that were coming to the plate during at-bats in the game last week that eliminated his team from playoff contention, sources told ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41238109/sources-twins-cut-derek-bender-catcher-told-opposing-hitters-incoming-pitch
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 18, 2024, 09:03:00 PM
The Brewers next 22 games are against teams that don't currently have a winning record. The pessimist in me says this is the kind of stretch the Brewers usually choke on. The optimist in me says ef that, let's nab a first round bye
@Braves, Reds, Dodgers (x4), Guardians: 10-3
@Cards, @As, Giants, @Reds (x4), Cards, Rockies, @Giants: 12-10
Not out of the first-round bye conversation, but it's always frustrating to be mediocre against mediocre when you have the best run differential in baseball.
Extra frustrating? 7/10 of those losses were in extras and/or by 1 run. 1-4 in extra innings during that stretch.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 12, 2024, 09:55:22 PM
Just like a young Crash Davis.
The Minnesota Twins released minor league catcher Derek Bender on Thursday after he told opposing hitters the types of pitches that were coming to the plate during at-bats in the game last week that eliminated his team from playoff contention, sources told ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41238109/sources-twins-cut-derek-bender-catcher-told-opposing-hitters-incoming-pitch
That's a wild story.
Any Scoopers see Clemente play?
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2024, 10:59:03 AM
Any Scoopers see Clemente play?
Saw him many ties as a kid. Think of his playing style as a combination of Willie Mays & Yasiel Puig.
Quote from: Jockey on September 15, 2024, 11:05:35 AM
Saw him many ties as a kid. Think of his playing style as a combination of Willie Mays & Yasiel Puig.
12 gold gloves doesn't suck.
Imagine someone having the career he did, and dying the way he did, yet not being unanimously elected to the Hall of Fame.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 15, 2024, 11:22:28 AM
Imagine someone having the career he did, and dying the way he did, yet not being unanimously elected to the Hall of Fame.
That's absurd. What an awful tragedy.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2024, 11:23:59 AM
That's absurd. What an awful tragedy.
Of Course. For some reason, it was an unwritten rule (probably established by Tony LaRussa's dad) that nobody got a unanimous selection.
Even worse the one guy who is now a unanimous selection is Mariano Rivera.
Quote from: Jockey on September 15, 2024, 11:46:32 AM
Of Course. For some reason, it was an unwritten rule (probably established by Tony LaRussa's dad) that nobody got a unanimous selection.
Even worse the one guy who is now a unanimous selection is Mariano Rivera.
Why is that worse?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 15, 2024, 11:53:43 AM
Why is that worse?
Because there have been so many better players that weren't unanimous. They chose Rivera over Maddux, Smoltz, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, etc, to break their unwritten rule? They were all far superior to Rivera. And I haven't even mentioned any of the hitters who were better.
The answer is simple. He played in NY.
Willie Mays asked that his first Gold Glove trophy goes to me after his passing. I told him I could not accept that.
Quote from: Jockey on September 15, 2024, 11:59:11 AM
Because there have been so many better players that weren't unanimous. They chose Rivera over Maddux, Smoltz, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, etc, to break their unwritten rule? They were all far superior to Rivera. And I haven't even mentioned any of the hitters who were better.
The answer is simple. He played in NY.
Rivera had a .70 postseason era.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2024, 12:27:54 PM
Rivera had a .70 postseason era.
Don't act like I said Rivera wasn't a great player. He was.
Not even the the conversation for GOAT, though.
Quote from: Jockey on September 15, 2024, 12:35:18 PM
Don't act like I said Rivera wasn't a great player. He was.
Not even the the conversation for GOAT, though.
It's hard to say those aforementioned players ar far superior to Rivera, especially when you look at the postseason. And I don't think you can really compare a starter to a closer anyway.
Yeah I know there were better players but he deserved it. No biggie.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 15, 2024, 12:50:21 PM
Yeah I know there were better players but he deserved it. No biggie.
End of conversation.
It was a dumb unwritten rule, glad someone was able to break through.
I'll admit I haven't seen much of the Brewers but I like this Chourio kid. He's 20?
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2024, 06:52:02 PM
I'll admit I haven't seen much of the Brewers but I like this Chourio kid. He's 20?
I can't find anywhere that says how old he is.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2024, 07:03:09 PM
I can't find anywhere that says how old he is.
I don't care for Google.
Muggsy, if you used Google first, think about how many threads never get started.
Quote from: tower912 on September 15, 2024, 07:32:06 PM
Muggsy, if you used Google first, think about how many threads never get started.
Then I have made the right decision. Ty.
Another Murphy masterclass today. I really want to love the guy but his bullpen management stinks out loud.
Quote from: MUfan12 on September 15, 2024, 09:14:04 PM
Another Murphy masterclass today. I really want to love the guy but his bullpen management stinks out loud.
That was odd for sure.
Quote from: Jockey on September 15, 2024, 12:35:18 PM
Don't act like I said Rivera wasn't a great player. He was.
Not even the the conversation for GOAT, though.
He was the greatest relief pitcher ever. But he was a relief pitcher, FFS, a position generally saved for guys unable to make their mark as starters. Dennis Eckersly was only a notch behind Rivera as a closer but way way behind lots of guys who'll never get a hall of fame vote as a starter. Light years away from being the GOAT of pitchers.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 15, 2024, 10:12:56 PM
That was odd for sure.
A much better showing tonight, Milner notwithstanding. But gee, would be nice to be be one game closer to a 2 seed.
I think we'll see some wonky stuff as they line up their postseason rotation. Lot of things they could do but betting the top 3 starters are Peralta, Myers and Montas. I hope they give Freddie DL Hall as an opener
With the way he has pitched at home, I'd try to work Civale in for a home start if possible.
Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2024, 04:05:50 PM
Skubal and Flaherty are great pieces for trading. However, right now there are so many starting pitchers throughout the Tigers system injured that if Dettoit traded them every day would have to be a bullpen day. Like Tampa, only not by choice.
Man, this was prescient. Little did I know that Detroit would turn necessity into a virtue. Like Buzz with the midgets.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 15, 2024, 12:10:50 PM
Willie Mays asked that his first Gold Glove trophy goes to me after his passing. I told him I could not accept that.
Signed, Herman Cain
Maybe Herman can finally meet Willie now - although I suspect they may be at different locations.
Ohtani now at 48/48.
One homer today after a four game "drought." It will be fun watching him play the last two weeks of the season to see if he gets there.
First player ever with 48 HR, 48 SB, 108 RBI and 77 BB!
Somebody get that Chourio kid some sparkling grape juice.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 07, 2024, 04:29:25 PM
How come it's Sept 7, the Brewers are up by 9 1/2 games over the Cubs and i'm still worried about them winning the division?
Never a doubt!
And they did it with one of the worst managers in baseball. ;D ;D
White Sox hire a guy without baseball experience to overhaul the organization. That makes sense. ::)
https://x.com/jeffpassan/status/1836823962115854782?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Ohtani at 48 / 49. Getting closer, but not a lot of games left to get the 2 HRs.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 19, 2024, 01:43:37 PM
Ohtani at 48 / 49. Getting closer, but not a lot of games left to get the 2 HRs.
He's got like 12 games and most of them are Vs Miami and Colorado ahha
He's got plenty of games
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on September 19, 2024, 03:23:21 PM
He's got like 12 games and most of them are Vs Miami and Colorado ahha
He's got plenty of games
Miami and Colorado? 60/60 is in play.
50th steal
Just needs the homers now
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on September 19, 2024, 03:23:21 PM
He's got like 12 games and most of them are Vs Miami and Colorado ahha
He's got plenty of games
Yeah he's got time. This guy is incredible
Homer number 49 and 51 steals
4/4 with 2 doubles a homer, 2 steals and 5 RBI. Its the 6th inning.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on September 19, 2024, 05:29:50 PM
Yeah he's got time. This guy is incredible
Homer number 49 and 51 steals
4/4 with 2 doubles a homer, 2 steals and 5 RBI. Its the 6th inning.
For those who know more about baseball than me (which is about everyone here). Should Ohtani just focus on being a hitter, and not pitch?
Holy SH IT
There it is. 50/50 season
5/5 2 homers 2 doubles 2 steals 7 RBI
Unbelievable
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 19, 2024, 05:35:51 PM
For those who know more about baseball than me (which is about everyone here). Should Ohtani just focus on being a hitter, and not pitch?
Emphatic yes
Look at his hitting last year as a pitcher.
Guy can rake and pitch. We will never see anything like this in sports again
51-51
6/6 3 homers and 10 RBI haha.
Appreciate greatness.
Quote from: MUBBau on September 19, 2024, 06:34:42 PM
51-51
The Dodgers have nine more games. Obviously he's not going to have another game like last night, but it'd be fun to have a 55/55 watch down the stretch.
Ohtani is so talented it's ridiculous. He actually might be underpaid!
And his manager has even left open the door that Ohtani could pitch a little in the postseason.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 19, 2024, 05:35:51 PM
For those who know more about baseball than me (which is about everyone here). Should Ohtani just focus on being a hitter, and not pitch?
At a minimum he should probably stop focusing on starting. He would still be an insanely valuable commodity out of the pen or as a closer, and it would reduce his wear and tear and injury risk. His fastball tops out in the triple digits, and as a reliever he could easily just throw four seamers, cutters, and splitters and basically take arm injuries from breaking balls off the table. He's so good that if he thinks he needs another pitch, he could probably learn an average changeup if he's so inclined.
Probably the craziest Ohtani stat this year
Hes 51/55 on steals. Thats just insane. 93%. And he steals 3rd frequently enough too.
Take De La Cruz, yeah hes got 13 more steals. Hes also been caught 4 times as much. 80%
Poor reporting by ESPN. This reports a lot more than 2 have done that. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_single-game_hits_leaders#:~:text=One%20hundred%20eighteen%20different%20players,Nationals%20on%20May%2026%2C%202023.)
QuoteOhtani is the second player since at least 1901 with six hits in a game
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on September 20, 2024, 09:44:22 AM
Poor reporting by ESPN. This reports a lot more than 2 have done that. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_single-game_hits_leaders#:~:text=One%20hundred%20eighteen%20different%20players,Nationals%20on%20May%2026%2C%202023.)
I was at the Shawn Green game. We weren't sure if we wanted to see a cycle or a 4th homer on his last at bat. We got the homer.
Not the glory days of the Brew Crew.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 19, 2024, 01:17:11 PM
https://x.com/jeffpassan/status/1836823962115854782?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
I read somewhere earlier this year that agents are generally thrilled with their clients are drafted by the Brewers because they know the organization is going to work hard to get the best out of them.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 20, 2024, 12:40:00 PM
I read somewhere earlier this year that agents are generally thrilled with their clients are drafted by the Brewers because they know the organization is going to work hard to get the best out of them.
So somewhere, sometime, you read something that suggested the Brewer organization works hard.
LOL.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 20, 2024, 02:33:02 PM
So somewhere, sometime, you read something that suggested the Brewer organization works hard.
LOL.
You are trying too hard.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 20, 2024, 12:40:00 PM
I read somewhere earlier this year that agents are generally thrilled with their clients are drafted by the Brewers because they know the organization is going to work hard to get the best out of them.
They've done a fantastic job the past decade in this regard. As Passan's tweet says, it's not surprising agents would want their players in Milwaukee's organization.
Big off-season for them. If you have them take a lie detector test, I bet the FO looked at this year as a transition year.
There's a lot of momentum with the youngsters in the lineup and system. Have to replace Adames' bat or re-sign him. They should be aggressive like they were between '17-'18 seasons.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2024, 02:48:07 PM
They've done a fantastic job the past decade in this regard. As Passan's tweet says, it's not surprising agents would want their players in Milwaukee's organization.
Big off-season for them. If you have them take a lie detector test, I bet the FO looked at this year as a transition year.
There's a lot of momentum with the youngsters in the lineup and system. Have to replace Adames' bat or re-sign him. They should be aggressive like they were between '17-'18 seasons.
Yup. With Woody coming back (and who knows, he may not be close to what he was before the injury), that's a potentially huge addition to the rotation. If you hang onto Adames, next year could be the year to make a real run.
I doubt he's interested in a short term deal, but I'd hope they offer him a 1-2 year deal with a AAV way over what he'd get long term and really try to take a shot these next couple years. Bites at the apple is great, but a lot of the team is cheap and controllable and he's such a key player for them. Real chance to maximize your chances in a short window without mortgaging the future.
I doubt it works out, though.
Willy is 28 years old. This is his shot at a nine-figure deal to set him up for life. If the Brewers feel it can work, they should go ahead. But if someone gives him more than the Brewers want to, then everyone should thank him for all that he has done and give him a nice ovation when he returns.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 20, 2024, 04:04:30 PM
Willy is 28 years old. This is his shot at a nine-figure deal to set him up for life. If the Brewers feel it can work, they should go ahead. But if someone gives him more than the Brewers want to, then everyone should thank him for all that he has done and give him a nice ovation when he returns.
Their best position prospect (not catcher) is a SS, Cooper Pratt but he's not expected to arrive until 2027. Ortiz was viewed as the SS of the immediate future. Of course, that leave a hole at 3B and still in the lineup.
Think they use the system depth and trade for a controllable 3B, if anyone has one available
Any of you degenerates out with CJ Abrams on Thursday night? Bc when I think of the trouble to get into in Chicago, it's Bally's or Rivers
White Sox are 0-100 in games where they trail after 8 innings this year.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 21, 2024, 06:03:03 PM
White Sox are 0-100 in games where they trail after 8 innings this year.
What's with all the negativity? They only need to finish 7-0 to avoid the worst record in MLB history!
Quote from: MU82 on September 22, 2024, 08:22:14 AM
What's with all the negativity? They only need to finish 7-0 to avoid the worst record in MLB history!
I've said it before and smart people dismiss it because it truly seems preposterous, but they have a very good chance to be worse next year.
They will be trading their best players, cutting payroll and should they have above average injuries, they could lose 130.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 22, 2024, 10:52:27 AM
I've said it before and smart people dismiss it because it truly seems preposterous, but they have a very good chance to be worse next year.
They will be trading their best players, cutting payroll and should they have above average injuries, they could lose 130.
That Athletic article from a few days ago was pretty damning. They're gonna stink until the owner dies and even then they're likely going to have to tear down and replace the entire baseball operation.
And they want a new stadium? lol. Ok.
Quote from: tower912 on August 13, 2024, 06:58:05 PM
It is one game. But welcome back, Kerry Carpenter. 11 weeks out. Two dingers in his first game back. Now get Riley Greene back. Maybe the anticipated offense finally shows up.
Bump
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 22, 2024, 10:59:35 AM
That Athletic article from a few days ago was pretty damning. They're gonna stink until the owner dies and even then they're likely going to have to tear down and replace the entire baseball operation.
And they want a new stadium? lol. Ok.
LOL is right. 0.00% chance they get $1 of funding. But the Sox stadium isn't in the top 100 of their issues.
Brewers were down 8-0 after 3 and won 10-9 after scoring 3 runs in the bottom of the 8th with 2 outs
Officially tied the record. 120 for CWS!!
Quote from: tower912 on September 22, 2024, 03:17:23 PM
Bump
I know Carpenter bats left handed and is a rookie. But he almost never starts against lefties and they routinely pinch hit for him during games whenever the opponents bring in a lefty to face him. He's (imo) their most dangerous hitter against RHP. Unless he's hopeless, I'd live with him initially struggling vs LHP. What are your thoughts?
He isn't a rookie.
He does bat against LHPs.
Hinch has gone on the run using his whole roster every game.
Everybody except Greene and Vierling will be pinch hit for. Also, usually not the starting catcher.
If the bullpen only has one lefty, Hinch might let Carpenter hit, knowing he will get a shot at a righty later.
Carpenter is not a great defender. So sometimes it is get a righthand hitter and better defender in the game.
Carpenter is a linchpin of the run. So is pinch hitting regularly. So is an unconventional use of the pitching staff.
Unexpected. A lot of fun.
Quote from: tower912 on September 22, 2024, 08:20:24 PM
He isn't a rookie.
He does bat against LHPs.
Hinch has gone on the run using his whole roster every game.
Everybody except Greene and Vierling will be pinch hit for. Also, usually not the starting catcher.
If the bullpen only has one lefty, Hinch might let Carpenter hit, knowing he will get a shot at a righty later.
Carpenter is not a great defender. So sometimes it is get a righthand hitter and better defender in the game.
Carpenter is a linchpin of the run. So is pinch hitting regularly. So is an unconventional use of the pitching staff.
Unexpected. A lot of fun.
My bad on the rookie - knew he was in the show all of last year and part of 22 - just forgot. He does (very rarely) hit against lhp (32PA, 28AB this year) without much success. I just thought the way he's pounded rhp for the last two seasons they might give him more of a chance to be something more than a platoon player. Not really second guessing Hinch - like him as a manager.
Tigers going all in on youth. DFA'ing Shelby Miller, bringing up 22 year old Jackson Jobe.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 22, 2024, 05:42:03 PM
Officially tied the record. 120 for CWS!!
At least the Mets were a new expansion team at the time.
I remember 2003. It sucked. 2006, WS loss. Things can turn.
Quote from: tower912 on September 23, 2024, 07:20:34 PM
I remember 2003. It sucked. 2006, WS loss. Things can turn.
This is one of the few times an ownership change has to occur first for it to get materially better. The information coming out about the organization are ugly.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 23, 2024, 07:37:57 PM
This is one of the few times an ownership change has to occur first for it to get materially better. The information coming out about the organization are ugly.
It's a good thing he doesn't own any other teams
From Yahoo Sports:
104 years ago today, Babe Ruth became the first player in MLB history to hit 50 home runs in a season, smacking Nos. 50 and 51 in a doubleheader against the Washington Senators.
No, this wasn't his iconic "called shot," but the Babe — in his first season with the Yankees — did make it known publicly that he had his sights set on 50 long balls.
One year earlier, his last with the Red Sox, he'd hit 29 to break the previous record of 27 that had stood for over three decades.
After breaking that record in July of 1920, he said his goal was to reach "a half-century." Experts said he was "cookoo in the attic." Two months later, the "Sultan of Swat" made them eat their words.
Ruth ended the season with 54 home runs, which was 35 more than second place (George Sisler, 19) and more than second-place, third-place and fourth-place combined (51).
The Babe juiced.
Quote from: tower912 on September 24, 2024, 08:32:34 AM
The Babe juiced.
Whiskey is a heckuva performance enhancer
And the award for the stingiest owner goes to:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41422039/eliminated-pirates-dfa-veterans-rowdy-tellez-michael-taylor (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41422039/eliminated-pirates-dfa-veterans-rowdy-tellez-michael-taylor)
Rocco Baldelli cannot survive this
And if Manuel Margots career survives this season, sports should be cancelled
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 24, 2024, 07:18:58 PM
And the award for the stingiest owner goes to:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41422039/eliminated-pirates-dfa-veterans-rowdy-tellez-michael-taylor (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41422039/eliminated-pirates-dfa-veterans-rowdy-tellez-michael-taylor)
Makes it difficult to not support the players.
Quote from: lawdog77 on September 24, 2024, 07:18:58 PM
And the award for the stingiest owner goes to:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41422039/eliminated-pirates-dfa-veterans-rowdy-tellez-michael-taylor (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41422039/eliminated-pirates-dfa-veterans-rowdy-tellez-michael-taylor)
Pirates are not a serious team. But the owner is making tons of money.
Padres, my goodness, what a way to clinch a playoff berth.
Benetti was scheduled to miss the Tigers game Saturday and work the UCF- Colorado game. He called up Fox Sports and told them to find a replacement this week, he wasn't going to miss the playoff push.
Quote from: tower912 on September 25, 2024, 06:30:03 AM
Benetti was scheduled to miss the Tigers game Saturday and work the UCF- Colorado game. He called up Fox Sports and told them to find a replacement this week, he wasn't going to miss the playoff push.
Hoping we get a lot of Jason on the MU games this season.
I did not understand the White Sox fans last fall. Then I started listening to his work on basketball games and was impressed. Listening to him 120 times for a team he knows extremely well, at a baseball game's pace, I now understand. Listening to his unvarnished joy and glee over the last 6 weeks has really enhanced the experience.
https://x.com/MLBNetwork/status/1839302294657183865
Imagine walking into Blue's Egg and there's Robin Yount and Jackson Chourio sitting at a table.
https://x.com/BenRossTweets/status/1839162982514962765?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1839162982514962765%7Ctwgr%5E2cc338201f5dd0d3d60665d6fab26252ab776269%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fmlb%2Fas-fans-chant-sell-the-team-take-home-coliseum-dirt-and-seats-during-final-games
Also, Mark A, that you?
Quote from: wadesworld on September 26, 2024, 09:59:06 AM
https://x.com/MLBNetwork/status/1839302294657183865
Imagine walking into Blue's Egg and there's Robin Yount and Jackson Chourio sitting at a table.
Big deal. I walked into Angelo's once and George Thompson and Dean Meminger were sitting at a table - with me!
Let's go Guardians! And Orioles/Pirates! I'd really love that March 28 "Guardians American League #1 Seed" (+3500) to pay off.
Man, Twins were 70-54 on August 18th and are are now 82-76. 12-22 over the last month plus. Brutal
White Sox with their 3rd W in a row - still tied with the Mets at 120 losses.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 26, 2024, 02:40:12 PM
Man, Twins were 70-54 on August 18th and are are now 82-76. 12-22 over the last month plus. Brutal
Det & KC keep winning, too. What a disgusting collapse. Rocco Siffredi >>> Rocco Baldelli (pawz)
Quote from: tower912 on September 25, 2024, 08:28:24 AM
I did not understand the White Sox fans last fall. Then I started listening to his work on basketball games and was impressed. Listening to him 120 times for a team he knows extremely well, at a baseball game's pace, I now understand. Listening to his unvarnished joy and glee over the last 6 weeks has really enhanced the experience.
I think I speak for most Brewers fans when I say, I want a Brewers title as much for Bob Uecker as I want it for myself.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 26, 2024, 04:07:20 PM
Det & KC keep winning, too. What a disgusting collapse. Rocco Siffredi >>> Rocco Baldelli (pawz)
You're not used to Minny teams gagging, yet?
Quote from: The Lens on September 26, 2024, 04:17:35 PM
I think I speak for most Brewers fans when I say, I want a Brewers title as much for Bob Uecker as I want it for myself.
I don't know why. You really think he's the folksy guy he puts out there for public consumption? Not even close. He's a foul mouthed, aloof ass is what I've heard from people who have had personal encounters with Ueck.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 26, 2024, 06:26:55 PM
I don't know why. You really think he's the folksy guy he puts out there for public consumption? Not even close. He's a foul mouthed, aloof ass is what I've heard from people who have had personal encounters with Ueck.
Second this. I get the Uecker love because he's the voice of multiple generations but his reputation by those that know, eh, not so good.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 26, 2024, 06:30:25 PM
Second this. I get the Uecker love because he's the voice of multiple generations but his reputation by those that know, eh, not so good.
That's very disappointing if true.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 26, 2024, 06:39:12 PM
That's very disappointing if true.
Yeah, he plays the funny man, self deprecation role very well. Too bad he's a phony jerk.
I used to work with his daughter Sue at a Suburpia in 1980.
Quote from: tower912 on September 25, 2024, 08:28:24 AM
I did not understand the White Sox fans last fall. Then I started listening to his work on basketball games and was impressed. Listening to him 120 times for a team he knows extremely well, at a baseball game's pace, I now understand. Listening to his unvarnished joy and glee over the last 6 weeks has really enhanced the experience.
Killing me. He is so good.
On the other hand, it turns out that I would not have missed him this year because I didn't watch any White Sox games.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on September 27, 2024, 08:10:52 AM
Killing me. He is so good.
On the other hand, it turns out that I would not have missed him this year because I didn't watch any White Sox games.
I miss him so much. But he didn't toe the company line
So Jason Benetti gets to call the Tigers clinching a playoff birth...while also calling the Sox clinching most losses in MLB history.
How very ironic.
I missed the clincher due to high school football. Astonishing. 21-34 run through May and June, followed by wheel spinning for a month. Sellers at the trade deadline. Flaherty, Chafin, Kelly, Canha, Urshela, all gone. Baez hurt and ineffective. Down to two starting pitchers. No position player older than 29. Pitchers with ERA's around 6.00 in the minors.
Getting Carpenter, Greene, and Meadows all healthy certainly helped. Baez to the IR was addition by subtraction. Anybody who tells you they saw it coming during the first week of August is lying.
The ones you don't see coming are the most fun.
Quote from: tower912 on September 27, 2024, 09:07:46 PM
I missed the clincher due to high school football. Astonishing. 21-34 run through May and June, followed by wheel spinning for a month. Sellers at the trade deadline. Flaherty, Chafin, Kelly, Canha, Urshela, all gone. Baez hurt and ineffective. Down to two starting pitchers. No position player older than 29. Pitchers with ERA's around 6.00 in the minors.
Getting Carpenter, Greene, and Meadows all healthy certainly helped. Baez to the IR was addition by subtraction. Anybody who tells you they saw it coming during the first week of August is lying.
The ones you don't see coming are the most fun.
Yup, didn't see this Brewers season coming but it's been a great 6 months of ball. Lot of fans have been waiting for the bottom to drop out and say "I told you so". They've missed a fun year
So if the Braves and Mets split tomorrow's make up double header, they both make it. If one gets swept the D-backs make it. Brewers will either host Mets or D-backs so they'll probably want the Braves to win game one meaning the Mets will have to play to win in game two.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 29, 2024, 05:16:56 PM
So if the Braves and Mets split tomorrow's make up double header, they both make it. If one gets swept the D-backs make it. Brewers will either host Mets or D-backs so they'll probably want the Braves to win game one meaning the Mets will have to play to win in game two.
If I'm the Mets/Braves, I'd have some type of gentleman's agreement on the second game of tomorrow's doubleheader.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 29, 2024, 06:19:21 PM
If I'm the Mets/Braves, I'd have some type of gentleman's agreement on the second game of tomorrow's doubleheader.
Counterpoint: Ending a rival's season is worth it
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2024, 06:20:05 PM
Counterpoint: Ending a rival's season is worth it
True, but the Braves burning through Sale tomorrow would be lame.
I know it won't happen, they should agree to forfeits.
I don't think you really need a gentleman's agreement. Whomever wins that first game is just going to throw a bunch of junk out there for the second. If you can't win that game with your season on the line...
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 29, 2024, 06:26:59 PM
I don't think you really need a gentleman's agreement. Whomever wins that first game is just going to throw a bunch of junk out there for the second. If you can't win that game with your season on the line...
Exactly.
The winner of game 1 is resting everyone of note in game 2
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 29, 2024, 06:26:59 PM
I don't think you really need a gentleman's agreement. Whomever wins that first game is just going to throw a bunch of junk out there for the second. If you can't win that game with your season on the line...
Baseball bound to happen in that second game.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 29, 2024, 06:39:29 PM
Baseball bound to happen in that second game.
Lol, yeah you are probably correct. Some spot starter pitches a two-hit CG and is never heard from again.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 29, 2024, 06:40:42 PM
Lol, yeah you are probably correct. Some spot starter pitches a two-hit CG and is never heard from again.
I mean, part of me would love to see it.
And if the Mets and Braves split, I don't want to hear any whining from the Diamondbacks. They had 73 chances to win one more game.
Quote from: MU82 on September 30, 2024, 06:20:52 AM
And if the Mets and Braves split, I don't want to hear any whining from the Diamondbacks. They had 73 chances to win one more game.
Including blowing an 8-0 lead to the Brewers.
Quote from: MU82 on September 30, 2024, 06:20:52 AM
And if the Mets and Braves split, I don't want to hear any whining from the Diamondbacks. They had 73 chances to win one more game.
I agree with you...but this is a pretty unfortunate situation for MLB in general. They could have avoided this mess. Re-scheduling an April rain before September, and looking at a weather forecast would have been better solutions.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 30, 2024, 07:57:07 AM
I agree with you...but this is a pretty unfortunate situation for MLB in general. They could have avoided this mess. Re-scheduling an April rain before September, and looking at a weather forecast would have been better solutions.
Yep. That's the only part that they could have a gripe with. MLB could have gotten these games in last week if they just paid attention to the weather and slid them up a bit.
Whoever wins game 1 of the double header should pop champaign between game 1 and 2. See the effects of alcohol kick in as game 2 goes on. Plus get the hangover recovery started earlier to prepare for game 1 tomorrow.
Big rally for the Mets in game 1 after looking dead
down 3-2 with 2 on no outs still
Holy sh it
6-3
6 run inning only out is a sac fly
Braves use all of their high leverage relievers in game one and blow a big lead.
Quote from: tower912 on September 30, 2024, 02:28:25 PM
Braves use all of their high leverage relievers in game one and blow a big lead.
Save us, Chris Sale
Quote from: tower912 on September 30, 2024, 02:28:25 PM
Braves use all of their high leverage relievers in game one and blow a big lead.
To be fair it snow balled so quickly that Jimenez and Iglesias only combined for 20 pitches
They are fine for game 2.
But yeah brutal collapse to add pressure
In true Mets fashion, they never make it easy
LOL
Remember the Mets used Diaz yesterday in the ninth of a 5-0 game, with a do or die doubleheader looming.
Unbelievable
Had a feeling that Lindor would jump him there
What a game
Bold move going back to Diaz in the 9th with how off he was. But it worked. Braves helped him out some too
Great win for Mets
What a nutty game
Braves are -400 to win game 2, lol.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 30, 2024, 03:15:54 PM
Braves are -400 to win game 2, lol.
Sale scratched with back spasms, lol
I know there's nothing worse than guys who talk about their fantasy team, but I have a two week championship dependent on HRs (+1), RBIs (tied) and OBP (currently +.0004). The winner is flipping with every AB as the marginal Braves and Mets I loaded up on make outs. Its a white knuckle thrill ride.
Worked out poorly for the Diamondbacks. Mets gave approximately zero f's about that second game. They were up there hacking like it was the last game of a 20-game road trip. I can't blame them. The first game was a thrill ride and the second game was a bore. I suspect it would have worked out the same way, with the Mets beating an uninterested Braves team, had the Braves won the first game.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 01, 2024, 08:17:16 AM
Worked out poorly for the Diamondbacks. Mets gave approximately zero f's about that second game. They were up there hacking like it was the last game of a 20-game road trip. I can't blame them. The first game was a thrill ride and the second game was a bore. I suspect it would have worked out the same way, with the Mets beating an uninterested Braves team, had the Braves won the first game.
It's wild to me that the Mets play right away today.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 01, 2024, 11:29:43 AM
It's wild to me that the Mets play right away today.
All four series play the next three days. And they play the second to last game - with the Braves and Padres playing the last game.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 01, 2024, 11:31:26 AM
All four series play the next three days. And they play the second to last game - with the Braves and Padres playing the last game.
That makes sense. I suppose any disadvantage could have been solved by winning one more of the 70ish you lost.
I do think it's wild that MLB can't just have 1 more off day
Weather is rarely even could these days through October so don't use that 1 day BS
Sport like the nba uses about 100 playoff off days
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 01, 2024, 11:42:45 AM
I do think it's wild that MLB can't just have 1 more off day
Weather is rarely even could these days through October so don't use that 1 day BS
Sport like the nba uses about 100 playoff off days
The Mets and Braves were the ones who pushed their April rain out game to September. Furthermore, the Braves apparently did not want to push the previous series start to Monday when the forecast looked bad.
In other words, the teams that have to deal with the lack of rest were the ones who created the mess they are in.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 01, 2024, 11:42:45 AM
I do think it's wild that MLB can't just have 1 more off day
Weather is rarely even could these days through October so don't use that 1 day BS
Sport like the nba uses about 100 playoff off days
Yeah, though I think a lot of it is intentional to keep teams from being able to reset their rotations.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 01, 2024, 12:25:44 PM
The Mets and Braves were the ones who pushed their April rain out game to September. Furthermore, the Braves apparently did not want to push the previous series start to Monday when the forecast looked bad.
In other words, the teams that have to deal with the lack of rest were the ones who created the mess they are in.
I am saying there is no reason for the MLB in general to be unable to go Wednesday-Friday by design.
If they think waiting 1 more day is going to magically have the blizzard of the century for game 7. They are wrong
This isn't about this year. Every year.
Very easy to have Monday be an if necessary day for any teams and Tuesday off for everyone.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 01, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
I am saying there is no reason for the MLB in general to be unable to go Wednesday-Friday by design.
If they think waiting 1 more day is going to magically have the blizzard of the century for game 7. They are wrong
This isn't about this year. Every year.
Very easy to have Monday be an if necessary day for any teams and Tuesday off for everyone.
Screw that
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 01, 2024, 12:57:05 PM
I am saying there is no reason for the MLB in general to be unable to go Wednesday-Friday by design.
If they think waiting 1 more day is going to magically have the blizzard of the century for game 7. They are wrong
This isn't about this year. Every year.
Very easy to have Monday be an if necessary day for any teams and Tuesday off for everyone.
Since they reseed for the divisional round, that won't work.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 01, 2024, 01:32:23 PM
Since they reseed for the divisional round, that won't work.
Why?
Every thing moves back 1 day.
That is all. Nothing else changes. Instead of starting playoffs on Tuesday you start Wednesday.
Or really whatever day. Based on when you decide to start the season.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 01, 2024, 02:24:50 PM
Why?
Every thing moves back 1 day.
Because they want to start divisional series on Saturday and Sunday. Not Sunday and Monday.
That former Brewers lefty closer looks like he still has it.
Haders gotta hate.
Never a doubt for Detroit.
Awful nice of the Tigers to immediately subject their fans who have been waiting a decade for playoff baseball to some good old fashioned playoff anxiety
Astros lineup has horrendous depth
Wont ever count out that top 4 but boy they used to terrify 1-9
Going back to 2006, it is a Tiger tradition to have the closer become ineffective. Todd Jones. Jose Valverde. Fernando Rodney.
I wonder what it says about Winker's brewers tenure if Willy is giving him a piece of his mind.
The start of this Brewers playoff movie feels too familiar.
Repeat of last year. Brewers get the lead and their ace is totally ineffective.
Burnes, Peralta - more of the same.
Beat me to it, Cheebs.
Road teams ruling the day
Quote from: Jockey on October 01, 2024, 06:34:18 PM
Repeat of last year. Brewers get the lead and their ace is totally ineffective.
Burnes, Peralta - more of the same.
Beat me to it, Cheebs.
I'm not sure I'll blame Peralta here for 1 bad inning. Don't get me wrong, he needs to shut them down after a 2-0 lead but he was better in innings 3 & 4 and Murphy yanking him was a surprise to me.
Just a masterclass in bullpen mismanagement, imo. Payamps play at 1B is another defensive play to haunt them.
Yet another playoff games where their supposed strengths turn out not to be.
Same old bullchit, aina?
The Braves have never really been afraid to throw young inexperienced arms in October. Been doing it for years(speaking a few of those guys are absolute ghosts now).
But still, pretty bold tossing a 21 year old guy with a 4 inning MLB start back in May and like 20 innings last year. Against this smoking hot Padres lineup
It feels like this is a result of Sale's back spasm and a doubleheader yesterday. Clearly not ideal.
Quote from: tower912 on October 01, 2024, 08:02:42 PM
It feels like this is a result of Sale's back spasm and a doubleheader yesterday. Clearly not ideal.
Well I just looked, one of those ghosts I mentioned was Ian Anderson
Probably shoulda went with him. Guy has been a corpse for the last two seasons(in both results and TJ surgery) but is currently healthy and has a 1 era in 35 career PS innings on 8 starts.
Absolutely no clue why they went with no experience and an era near 5 in AAA guy.
Brew Crew are first team in history to bow multi run lead and lose 4 straight games.
Losing steak up to 6 and 10 of last 11.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2024, 06:38:40 PM
I'm not sure I'll blame Peralta here for 1 bad inning. Don't get me wrong, he needs to shut them down after a 2-0 lead but he was better in innings 3 & 4 and Murphy yanking him was a surprise to me.
Yeah, I don't know what I think about it and don't want to monday morning quarterback, but Peralta was fine. He obviously got punched in the nose in the second, but in the 3rd and 4th he didn't he allow a baserunner, had two strikeouts and three groundouts, and only threw 19 pitches.
Murphy screwed the pooch. Again.
Freddy was fine. Set down nine in a row after the triple. 68 pitches. If this guy is your ace, let him cook.
Burning Civale was another really shortsighted move that could bite them if they manage to win tomorrow.
Win the division, crap the bed in the wild card - later, rinse, and repeat....
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 01, 2024, 09:12:11 PM
Murphy screwed the pooch. Again.
Freddy was fine. Set down nine in a row after the triple. 68 pitches. If this guy is your ace, let him cook.
Burning Civale was another really shortsighted move that could bite them if they manage to win tomorrow.
The playoff rotation was set as Peralta, Montas, and Meyers, so not sure Civale was an option to start game 3 (which seems odd considering how well he has pitched at home this season).
Was at the game and we were totally stunned that Peralta was pulled after 68 pitches...thought maybe there was an injury or some other circumstance, but it seems it was just Murphy over-managing again.
Quote from: MUBurrow on October 01, 2024, 08:26:03 PM
Yeah, I don't know what I think about it and don't want to monday morning quarterback, but Peralta was fine. He obviously got punched in the nose in the second, but in the 3rd and 4th he didn't he allow a baserunner, had two strikeouts and three groundouts, and only threw 19 pitches.
Sounds like a terrible decision that cost them the game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 02, 2024, 07:52:30 AM
Sounds like a terrible decision that cost them the game.
It was part of a string of events. Chourio misplayed a ball (peddle his azz), Payamps failed to cover 1st base and the floodgates opened
Quote from: ChuckyChip on October 02, 2024, 06:40:27 AM
The playoff rotation was set as Peralta, Montas, and Meyers, so not sure Civale was an option to start game 3 (which seems odd considering how well he has pitched at home this season).
Fair, and you touched on the point I was gonna make about Civale stating a game with how well he has done at home.
That said, if you knew Civale was gonna come out of the pen, wouldn't it have made more sense to try to get the 5/6/7th inning out of him to setup Megill and Williams? Burning him in an 8-4 game makes little sense to me. That's what Joe Ross is for.
Pulling Petalta made no sense to me, but if Chourio doesnt flub a routine flyball or Payamps doesnt stand on the mound for 2 seconds before remembering to cover first, they get out of that inning with a 4-3 lead. If the rest of the game stays the same, they win
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 02, 2024, 07:58:18 AM
It was part of a string of events. Chourio misplayed a ball (peddle his azz), Payamps failed to cover 1st base and the floodgates opened
Fair enough but I don't get pulling the starter based on what has been shared here.
So, what you are saying is that small mistakes have bigger impacts in the playoffs. Due to short series, or some such nonsense.
It is coaching choices like this (Jackson Jobe), bouncing a throw from first to home for the force, holding the ball for an extra nanosecond, that flip games and changes series momentum. Alas.
See the above post.
It it works, you are a GOAT.
if it fails, you are a goat.
Quote from: tower912 on October 02, 2024, 03:47:14 PM
It is coaching choices like this (Jackson Jobe), and bouncing a throw from first to home for the force, that flip games and changes series momentum. Alas.
It it works, you are a GOAT.
if it fails, you are a goat.
Jobe pitched fine. Bloop single. Bunt mishandled by 3rd basemen. Bad throw home. Defense let the team down more than pitching.
HBP first hitter. Jobe wasn't terrible, agreed.
And sometimes, the opponent gives it back.
Quote from: tower912 on October 02, 2024, 03:52:29 PM
HBP first hitter. Jobe wasn't terrible, agreed.
And sometimes, the opponent gives it back.
With their 2 best guys out of the bullpen.
Welcome to the Josh Hader post-season experience, Houston.
Ball knowers think he's worth every penny.
This could be the end finally of the Astros reign(someone in the West still has to win the division tho)
The lineup has no depth. Bregman might not even be back. Altuve will be 35.
Rotation had some injuries but is pretty blahhhh
Been a hell of a run though, cheating or not
This is a perfect manager for a team like Detroit.
Even though he had a guy bunting who had no ability to bunt to the right side.
Then Meadows has an easy steal with the throw to 2nd going to the SS side of the bag. Till he slides on the SS side of the bag instead of the OF side.
Lots of stuff to teach these guys.
Good times.
Baseball's postseason, either incredibly cruel to play 162, and go out with the snap of a finger...or incredibly celebratory, to get hot when it counts and play on.
A lot of truth there. ^^^^^^
Momentum is a funny thing. Tigers couldn't lose in 2006 and 2012. Until they sat for a week between the ALCS and WS both times.
Orioles no runs scored strategy is bold
It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.
As a Twins fan I know futile. And while theres a deeper track record of it for the Twins
The Orioles might over take them in playoff futility.
Holy hell is this a brutal two year stretch.
Home teams 1-5 thus far.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 02, 2024, 06:42:12 PM
As a Twins fan I know futile. And while theres a deeper track record of it for the Twins
The Orioles might over take them in playoff futility.
Holy hell is this a brutal two year stretch.
Big off-season for them. Played .500 ball from August 1st on. Sounds like Burnes is adios but their system is so loaded, they can probably change up on the fly.
Wonder if they think upgrade in the dugout
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 02, 2024, 06:45:49 PM
Big off-season for them. Played .500 ball from August 1st on. Sounds like Burnes is adios but their system is so loaded, they can probably change up on the fly.
Wonder if they think upgrade in the dugout
I think they need to keep using those prospects for high end proven talent. Part of their stalling the last two years imo is they have so much young talent blocking each other going up and down and moving around besides Henderson. Pick a couple and use the rest to upgrade now
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 02, 2024, 06:53:16 PM
I think they need to keep using those prospects for high end proven talent. Part of their stalling the last two years imo is they have so much young talent blocking each other going up and down and moving around besides Henderson. Pick a couple and use the rest to upgrade now
I agree. System depth is great. Not using it to improve at the MLB level now seems dumb
The mets always have an answer
Record setting losses doesn't actually count when 3 teams from your division make the ALDS!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 02, 2024, 04:15:16 PM
Welcome to the Josh Hader post-season experience, Houston.
Ball knowers think he's worth every penny.
Josh Hader 2024 salary, $19 mil
Entire Tiger wild card playoff roster 2024 salary, $18.8 million.
That goes up if Maeda is added for the Cleveland series.
Jackson!
I would not have let Maton continue to pitch after Adames singled. That was poor managing.
Chourio is HIM
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 02, 2024, 06:42:12 PM
As a Twins fan I know futile. And while theres a deeper track record of it for the Twins
Historically, the Twinkees problem is every time they come to New York, they fold like a lawn chair.
This is a typical Brewers win. What they have done all year.
Broke a 6 game losing streak and a 20 game losing streak when losing after 6 innings, a streak that was older than I am.
I'm a fan of Chourio. The kid has a bright future.
If I were the Brewers I'd consider locking up Chourio for the next 9 years.
I'd also consider finding a different occupation for Rhys Hoskins, so you win some you lose some.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on October 02, 2024, 07:34:43 PM
Record setting losses doesn't actually count when 3 teams from your division make the ALDS!
Three teams from their division are in the ALDS as a result of having the White Sox in their division. FWIW, the 1962 Mets actually had a worse record than the White Sox (40-120 is a lower percentage than 41-121).
This is why I think you should simply have two, 15 teams leagues with the top six making the playoffs.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 03, 2024, 07:05:52 AM
This is why I think you should simply have two, 15 teams leagues with the top six making the playoffs.
I agree with this. If there is no bonus for winning your division, like Milwaukee and Houston, what's the point? It's not like they can't figure out a schedule to make everything even
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 03, 2024, 07:05:52 AM
This is why I think you should simply have two, 15 teams leagues with the top six making the playoffs.
Yeah I like that.
Divisions in baseball are pretty dumb
Weird, hey?
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 02, 2024, 11:03:42 PM
If I were the Brewers I'd consider locking up Chourio for the next 9 years.
I'd also consider finding a different occupation for Rhys Hoskins, so you win some you lose some.
Rhys basically did what the Brewers hoped for when signing him. OPS was down, but probably expected to be coming off a torn ACL. I don't know that he is, but my guess would be he's a great locker room guy. Seemed like he was a fan favorite in Philly.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 03, 2024, 06:58:22 AM
Three teams from their division are in the ALDS as a result of having the White Sox in their division.
That's true, but it is interesting that Detroit and KC swept the favored O's and 'Stros. Here's hoping that it's
finally Cleveland's year with no freaking rain delays late in Game 7 of the Series.
Pitchers duel between the solid journeyman vet and the surprising rookie
This could be decided by what manager pulls a dealing starter first because of playoffs and predictive computers
Because both are giving up weak contact after weak contact.
Guessing Brewers pull Myers since Lindor is 2-2 and hes bad 3rd time through. Bad move imo if so
Helluva outing for Tobias. Too bad we couldn't see how deep he could go. Vintage Quintana, brewer killer tonight.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 03, 2024, 10:06:04 AM
Rhys basically did what the Brewers hoped for when signing him. OPS was down, but probably expected to be coming off a torn ACL. I don't know that he is, but my guess would be he's a great locker room guy. Seemed like he was a fan favorite in Philly.
His BA, OB% and OPS were (by more than a little) the worst of his career. And (as always) he was awful in the field. I'd guess the Brewers were hoping for at least a little more.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 03, 2024, 07:31:00 PM
His BA, OB% and OPS were (by more than a little) the worst of his career. And (as always) he was awful in the field. I'd guess the Brewers were hoping for at least a little more.
He's been a huge upgrade over Rowdy Tellez and Luke Voigt. They didn't need a top 5 1B. Just a competent one, and he's been that.
I would not have taken Myers out in an 0-0 game, but that's me.
Well I don't love Freddy in the bullpen considering his notoriously slow starts.
Brewers threw out their worst reliever and Mets still couldnt hit them
Alonso looks terrible. Has for a while
Seems like the home run derby is that guys life
It's time for the Brewers to fking score. IMMEDIATELY. :)
BAM.
Double BAM. :)
Quote from: wadesworld on October 03, 2024, 07:35:28 PM
He's been a huge upgrade over Rowdy Tellez and Luke Voigt. They didn't need a top 5 1B. Just a competent one, and he's been that.
Rowdy Tellez OPS in 3 years in Milwaukee: .814, .767 and .667. His WAR was .3, .7 and -.6. Hoskins OPS this year: .722. WAR was -.2.
Overall, he's been a little worse than Tellez in Milwaukee but better than him in his last year. Huge upgrade, though? Nope.
Peralta is pounding the zone.
Let him go back out or bring in Williams?
Ouch
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 03, 2024, 07:59:36 PM
Brewers threw out their worst reliever and Mets still couldnt hit them
Alonso looks terrible. Has for a while
Seems like the home run derby is that guys life
Sorry brewers fans
Oh no.
Fitting end to the Brewers season - Devin Williams with a walk, single, and homer all while having a hard time finding the strike zone.
Sad way to go out.
Now you know why I asked. I don't want a closer with a 13% walk rate.
Not just the walks, per se. But when he gets ahead in the count, he'll throw the ball a foot and a half out of the zone. Nobody is chasing that garbage.
Quote from: Jockey on October 03, 2024, 08:25:58 PM
Peralta is pounding the zone.
Let him go back out or bring in Williams?
Complete disaster. The Brewers' manager should have listened to you.
Quote from: Jockey on October 03, 2024, 08:47:59 PM
Now you know why I asked. I don't want a closer with a 13% walk rate.
Not just the walks, per se. But when he gets ahead in the count, he'll throw the ball a foot and a half out of the zone. Nobody is chasing that garbage.
He's the closer. They weren't keeping Freddy in. I mean it's the only home run he gave up all year.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 03, 2024, 08:48:34 PM
Complete disaster. The Brewers' manager should have listened to you.
Crew gotta get some sacrificial manatees and win this baby in the bottom half
You can question how Murphy got there, but he had one of the best closers in baseball on the mound in the 9th with a 2 run lead.
Jesse Winker is a d bag
Quote from: wadesworld on October 03, 2024, 08:51:27 PM
You can question how Murphy got there, but he had one of the best closers in baseball on the mound in the 9th with a 2 run lead.
Right. The Monday morning quarterbacking is silliness.
This is sad. I'm not a Brewers fan but this simply cannot happen.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 03, 2024, 08:50:28 PM
Crew gotta get some sacrificial manatees and win this baby in the bottom half
Let's not unfairly involve the manatee population here.
It is playoff baseball. Milwaukee had their closer start the 9th with a two run lead. Alas.
Quote from: tower912 on October 03, 2024, 08:55:39 PM
It is playoff baseball. Milwaukee had their closer start the 9th with a two run lead. Alas.
And he fked up to put it mildly.
It was Sunday afternoon quarterbacking. I made the comment before the 9th.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 03, 2024, 08:50:02 PM
He's the closer. They weren't keeping Freddy in. I mean it's the only home run he gave up all year.
Yeah. Baseball is a sport given to second guessing, sometimes appropriately. But bringing in Williams there was a no brainer. Hopefully the Brewers can bail him out in the bottom of the 9th.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 03, 2024, 08:59:05 PM
Yeah. Baseball is a sport given to second guessing, sometimes appropriately. But bringing in Williams there was a no brainer. Hopefully the Brewers can bail him out in the bottom of the 9th.
The walk to Lindoor was the kiss of death.
Quote from: Jockey on October 03, 2024, 08:58:16 PM
It was Sunday afternoon quarterbacking. I made the comment before the 9th.
Jockey - I think you asked a question - Peralta or Williams? But if you offered an opinion I missed it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 03, 2024, 09:01:49 PM
Jockey - I think you asked a question - Peralta or Williams? But if you offered an opinion I missed it.
Jockey was correct. He intimated what they should do and no one on the Brewers listened.
It would've been absurd to have anyone but Devin Williams on the mound there. He's a 2 time NL Reliever of the Year with a 1.25 ERA this year. It was a dumb question.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 03, 2024, 09:04:03 PM
Jockey was correct. He intimated what they should do and no one on the Brewers listened.
How was he "correct?" No one knows how Freddy would have done.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 03, 2024, 09:05:41 PM
It would've been absurd to have anyone but Devin Williams on the mound there. He's a 2 time NL Reliever of the Year with a 1.25 ERA this year. It was a dumb question.
He was wild and choked.
F' Devin Williams. Walk, single, homer - does he have money on the Mets?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 03, 2024, 09:04:03 PM
Jockey was correct. He intimated what they should do and no one on the Brewers listened.
This is one of the most absurd pair of sentences I have ever read
It was the right call. Devin just let us down in the postseason in a new and and innovative way.
Trade him, Hoskins and then sell the team to an owner who can afford his own sand and more than broken pieces.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 03, 2024, 09:08:07 PM
This is one of the most absurd pair of sentences I have ever read
It's Muggsy. He isn't a Brewers fan but has to fill up the topic with his garbage anyway.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 03, 2024, 09:08:07 PM
This is one of the most absurd pair of sentences I have ever read
I wasn't completely serious but it's still upsetting.
It's the Brewers. Nice season. They finished according to form.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 03, 2024, 09:09:02 PM
It's Muggsy. He isn't a Brewers fan but has to fill up the topic with his garbage anyway.
That's a bad take and you have a propensity to insult people with infinitesimal credibility.
Devin has loved traffic all season. He's gotten away with it because balls haven't left the yard and he strikes guys out. Both went wrong today and seasons over. I was very surprised to see Freddy and don't think he was ever a two inning option. Sucks but nothing to second guess.
Chourio doesn't flub a routine flyball and Payamps doesn't forget to cover first base on a routine groundball and we likely don't even need a third game.
It's the Brewers, when we get to the postseason, our strengths become our weaknesses and it costs us.
October in Milwaukee always means disappointment. Axford, Hader, and now Williams.
I'd hate to be a closer in Milwaukee with the season on the line.
Additionally, I detest that there is a 164 game season that can boil down to a three game series.
Peddle Williams' ass, aina?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 04, 2024, 06:10:20 AM
October in Milwaukee always means disappointment. Axford, Hader, and now Williams.
I'd hate to be a closer in Milwaukee with the season on the line.
Additionally, I detest that there is a 164 game season that can boil down to a three game series.
Well, how do you feel about 162 game season?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 04, 2024, 06:10:20 AM
October in Milwaukee always means disappointment. Axford, Hader, and now Williams.
I'd hate to be a closer in Milwaukee with the season on the line.
Additionally, I detest that there is a 164 game season that can boil down to a three game series.
Don't forget Jeffress in '18 serving up a meatball in game 2 of the NLCS.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 04, 2024, 06:50:18 AM
Well, how do you feel about 162 game season?
Well, I feel like that'd be the correct number.
I somehow added the NBA number of games and multiplied by two 8-)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 03, 2024, 09:01:49 PM
Jockey - I think you asked a question - Peralta or Williams? But if you offered an opinion I missed it.
I wasn't clear enough. I wanted the guy who was throwing strikes. My worry with Williams is that he sometimes has a hard time finding the plate.
My posts weren't Meant as a criticism, though. Murph did what he was expected to do.
Quote from: Jockey on October 04, 2024, 07:34:38 AM
I wasn't clear enough. I wanted the guy who was throwing strikes. My worry with Williams is that he sometimes has a hard time finding the plate.
My posts weren't Meant as a criticism, though. Murph did what he was expected to do.
Correct, but like you, had serious doubts about the move. When he walked Lindor after jumping ahead of him, the die was cast
Williams is getting a lot of the blame, and deservedly so, but Contreras batting .167, Adames .182, and Hoskins .000 certainly did not help. These are your veteran leading sitting in the heart of the order. That's gotta be better.
Quote from: Its DJOver on October 04, 2024, 07:59:12 AM
Williams is getting a lot of the blame, and deservedly so, but Contreras batting .167, Adames .182, and Hoskins .000 certainly did not help. These are your veteran leading sitting in the heart of the order. That's gotta be better.
If those are the 'stars' you're always going to be in trouble. Contreras is great, and Adames has been the heartbeat, but he also had a career year that never felt sustainable. Hoskins is terrible and shouldn't be in this clubhouse if you need to attach compensation to do it.
Nothing will change. Need an ownership group that isn't content with this exact outcome.
Quote from: Its DJOver on October 04, 2024, 07:59:12 AM
Williams is getting a lot of the blame, and deservedly so, but Contreras batting .167, Adames .182, and Hoskins .000 certainly did not help. These are your veteran leading sitting in the heart of the order. That's gotta be better.
Yeah, there were some opportunities earlier in the game to get some runs across that didn't happen.
I thought going to Freddy in the 8th was WAY more questionable than Williams in the 9th. Granted, it was two very different outcomes, but I always feel bringing a starter in a high leverage position is a risk.
It doesn't sound like it was a bad pitch (my seats were a ways away). A few millimeters either way on the bat and it's probably an easy out. Just another heartbreaking loss.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 04, 2024, 08:17:06 AM
If those are the 'stars' you're always going to be in trouble. Contreras is great, and Adames has been the heartbeat, but he also had a career year that never felt sustainable. Hoskins is terrible and shouldn't be in this clubhouse if you need to attach compensation to do it.
Nothing will change. Need an ownership group that isn't content with this exact outcome.
Willy did go 4-7 against the snakes in the 2 games last year, so a part of it is just sample size. That being said, and as much as I've loved him here, I'm glad that someone is going to WAY overpay him so the Crew don't normal overpay him.
The disappointing thing about Contreras was how bad his at bats looked. Looked like you could have given him 6 strikes per AB and gotten the same outcome, very undisciplined.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 04, 2024, 08:20:06 AM
I thought going to Freddy in the 8th was WAY more questionable than Williams in the 9th. Granted, it was two very different outcomes, but I always feel bringing a starter in a high leverage position is a risk.
With ya. As critical as I have been on his bullpen management, I thought Murphy managed a great ballgame last night. Just didn't work out.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2024, 06:10:42 AM
Peddle Williams' ass, aina?
Have to. And not because of last night. Megill proved he could handle the closing duties. Uribe will be back. Gotta get something back for Devin before he walks in FA.
I think the job of a closer has gotten infinitely harder these days, especially in the playoffs. Feels like the vast majority of closers are beholden to plus level fastballs. With the trend towards some version of 3 outcome hitting, a lot of these hitters are sitting fastball, especially against a guy who wants to chuck gas. So unless the closer has a wipeout slider thats working, you get a hitter waiting on that pitch and hitters have gotten REALLY good and have a ton of tools for study.
I think thats why you see so many good closers struggle lately in the playoffs. Hader, Williams, Chapman, Kimbrel, etc...They will get smacked in pressure points in the playoffs and then be an All Star the next year, so its not like they are just washed
The idea that the Brewers need new ownership is nuts. The first baseball season of my life was the 1989 season. Through the time he bought the team ahead of the 2005 season, I hadn't seen a Playoff game by the Brewers once in my lifetime. They've been in the post season 6 of the last 7 years, and have won the division in 4 of the last 7 years.
In a sport with no salary cap, the Brewers have found a way to consistently compete while playing in the smallest market in the sport. The NL Playoffs consisted of teams from LA, San Diego, Philadelphia, New York, Atlanta, and...Milwaukee.
I, for one, am thrilled Mark took over the team. I guess some long for the days of Bud Selig.
Tigers, Foley has been mostly solid, a few hiccups. Game 1 against Houston, not sharp. It easily could have turned out like game 3 for the Brewers. Detroit was fortunate the game ending line drive was right at Torkelson, and not a couple of feet to either side. Foley did not pitch in game 2.
Those are the razors edges in playoff baseball. And Detroit has had a ridiculous amount of fortuitous events over the last two months.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 04, 2024, 09:40:59 AM
I think the job of a closer has gotten infinitely harder these days, especially in the playoffs. Feels like the vast majority of closers are beholden to plus level fastballs. With the trend towards some version of 3 outcome hitting, a lot of these hitters are sitting fastball, especially against a guy who wants to chuck gas. So unless the closer has a wipeout slider thats working, you get a hitter waiting on that pitch and hitters have gotten REALLY good and have a ton of tools for study.
I think thats why you see so many good closers struggle lately in the playoffs. Hader, Williams, Chapman, Kimbrel, etc...They will get smacked in pressure points in the playoffs and then be an All Star the next year, so its not like they are just washed
This. Williams thrives on getting hitters out in front on his changeup that dives out of the zone. Come Playoff time, hitters just let the off speed stuff go and sit on heat, which Williams has to throw when he falls behind in the count.
Plus, if you are in the playoffs, you are a pretty good team that has won a lot of games. Probably not by accident.
Quote from: tower912 on October 04, 2024, 09:48:42 AM
Plus, if you are in the playoffs, you are a pretty good team that has won a lot of games. Probably not by accident.
Yup. The Brewers had legitimate WS hopes in 2011 and especially 2018. But 2020 was probably the only year they didn't "deserve" to be in the Playoffs. Every other year you make it and you see what happens.
And the opponent is good, too.
I'm not sure what more this ownership/FO can do. They don't print money like the Yankees, Dodgers, etc. There is no salary cap like every other professional sport. When they see an opening to go for it, they do (trading for CC in 2008, Greinke and Hairston in 2011, Moustakas and Schoop in 2018, Adames in 2021).
What are Brewers fans hoping for in an owner? A $250+M payroll? Because that's not happening.
We can all play fantasy baseball. It would be awesome if I could take over the Brewers and sign Trever Bauer and Walker Buehler to 1 year prove it deals going into next year, hope Brandon Woodruff magically recovers from major shoulder surgery, overpay Adames to stay in Milwaukee, and overpay a power hitting first baseman. But that's not the reality of the smallest market team in a sport with no salary cap.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 04, 2024, 09:46:38 AM
The idea that the Brewers need new ownership is nuts. The first baseball season of my life was the 1989 season. Through the time he bought the team ahead of the 2005 season, I hadn't seen a Playoff game by the Brewers once in my lifetime. They've been in the post season 6 of the last 7 years, and have won the division in 4 of the last 7 years.
In a sport with no salary cap, the Brewers have found a way to consistently compete while playing in the smallest market in the sport. The NL Playoffs consisted of teams from LA, San Diego, Philadelphia, New York, Atlanta, and...Milwaukee.
I, for one, am thrilled Mark took over the team. I guess some long for the days of Bud Selig.
Correct take. Additionally, if Mark sells, there is a decent chance there are no more Milwaukee Brewers.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 04, 2024, 09:59:41 AM
I'm not sure what more this ownership/FO can do. They don't print money like the Yankees, Dodgers, etc. There is no salary cap like every other professional sport. When they see an opening to go for it, they do (trading for CC in 2008, Greinke and Hairston in 2011, Moustakas and Schoop in 2018, Adames in 2021).
What are Brewers fans hoping for in an owner? A $250+M payroll? Because that's not happening.
We can all play fantasy baseball. It would be awesome if I could take over the Brewers and sign Trever Bauer and Walker Buehler to 1 year prove it deals going into next year, hope Brandon Woodruff magically recovers from major shoulder surgery, overpay Adames to stay in Milwaukee, and overpay a power hitting first baseman. But that's not the reality of the smallest market team in a sport with no salary cap.
Bingo. This world we live in where Attanasio isn't trying is BS. They've invested in Latin America like very few other clubs and their minor league development is amongst the best in baseball.
All that said, next year is a year they should be "all-in" like they were in '18 and '19. The system is deep enough they can go after an available bat or two.
I'm not worried about adding an ace. Those days are antiquated and silly. They identify pitching as well as any organization
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 04, 2024, 10:13:17 AM
Correct take. Additionally, if Mark sells, there is a decent chance there are no more Milwaukee Brewers.
Eh. Any new owner is stuck in Milwaukee for awhile with the new stadium deal they agreed to.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 04, 2024, 10:13:17 AM
Additionally, if Mark sells, there is a decent chance there are no more Milwaukee Brewers.
If only I could think of another team in Milwaukee with non-local owners that spend like crazy and have won a title....
Quote from: JWags85 on October 04, 2024, 09:40:59 AM
I think the job of a closer has gotten infinitely harder these days, especially in the playoffs. Feels like the vast majority of closers are beholden to plus level fastballs. With the trend towards some version of 3 outcome hitting, a lot of these hitters are sitting fastball, especially against a guy who wants to chuck gas. So unless the closer has a wipeout slider thats working, you get a hitter waiting on that pitch and hitters have gotten REALLY good and have a ton of tools for study.
I think thats why you see so many good closers struggle lately in the playoffs. Hader, Williams, Chapman, Kimbrel, etc...They will get smacked in pressure points in the playoffs and then be an All Star the next year, so its not like they are just washed
Closers are two pitch (or in rare cases one pitch) pitchers. If they had 3 (or more) reliable pitches they would be starters. They need to command their fastball to get ahead of the hitter, then throw their "wipeout" pitch (change up or slider usually) out of the strike zone and let the hitter get himself out. If their command is off and they're pitching from behind that wipe out pitch out of the strike zone isn't in play. That's when bad things happen.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 04, 2024, 10:18:41 AM
If only I could think of another team in Milwaukee with non-local owners that spend like crazy and have won a title....
Is this a fair comp? I know this is a popular take but the sports are wildly different.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 10:20:21 AM
Is this a fair comp? I know this is a popular take but the sports are wildly different.
Not totally fair, but the idea that Mark would have to sell to someone local for the team to stay is even more absurd.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 04, 2024, 10:18:41 AM
If only I could think of another team in Milwaukee with non-local owners that spend like crazy and have won a title....
Salary capped league with a new stadium they're tied to for 20+ years.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 10:15:57 AM
Eh. Any new owner is stuck in Milwaukee for awhile with the new stadium deal they agreed to.
Oh, yeah, forgot the new deal keeping them around went through in the last year, my bad.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 04, 2024, 10:21:40 AM
Not totally fair, but the idea that Mark would have to sell to someone local for the team to stay is even more absurd.
No one suggested that though.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 04, 2024, 10:23:15 AM
Salary capped league with a new stadium they're tied to for 20+ years.
Yup. Plus, when you have the best player in the world in basketball, your team will be competitive. When you have the best player in baseball, you might be the LA Angels.
Two best players, in Trout and Ohtani.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 04, 2024, 10:21:40 AM
Not totally fair, but the idea that Mark would have to sell to someone local for the team to stay is even more absurd.
That is correct. There isn't a local that I can think of that would buy the club. It'll be an out-of-towner if he would sell.
Anyone who thinks Mark A. is a poor owner should look at teams like the As.
I don't need Mark to spend like the Mets. But he's gotta stretch at some point. Wasting Burnes and Woodruff's last few years of team control without getting the offense help (Cutch doesn't count) was so bad.
I was fine with them not spending going into this year, given what they had coming back. But this year showed the young guys can hang, that Chourio is on a star trajectory, and the pitching depth is ridiculous. Now's the time to push the chips in. Get some guys who can give Chourio some actual protection in the lineup. You can't let Willy walk and hope that Yelich is healthy, and that'll be enough offense.
The idea that "hey, we're a small market what else do you want?" drives me up the wall. If you're good enough to get to the postseason this often you do whatever is necessary to break through. Right now, the organization seems comfortable being the Twins of the 2000s. Yeah it's better than when Bud and Wendy owned the team, but you can't scold fans for wanting to see some actual ambition.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 04, 2024, 10:38:47 AM
I don't need Mark to spend like the Mets. But he's gotta stretch at some point. Wasting Burnes and Woodruff's last few years of team control without getting the offense help (Cutch doesn't count) was so bad.
I was fine with them not spending going into this year, given what they had coming back. But this year showed the young guys can hang, that Chourio is on a star trajectory, and the pitching depth is ridiculous. Now's the time to push the chips in. Get some guys who can give Chourio some actual protection in the lineup. You can't let Willy walk and hope that Yelich is healthy, and that'll be enough offense.
The idea that "hey, we're a small market what else do you want?" drives me up the wall. If you're good enough to get to the postseason this often you do whatever is necessary to break through. Right now, the organization seems comfortable being the Twins of the 2000s. Yeah it's better than when Bud and Wendy owned the team, but you can't scold fans for wanting to see some actual ambition.
I agree with this. They can't go into '25 without adding bats. They can win now.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 04, 2024, 10:31:56 AM
Anyone who thinks Mark A. is a poor owner should look at teams like the As.
You don't have to look thousands of miles west - just look 100 miles south!
I fear that the Tigers' run is going to convince more owners that winning on the cheap can be done routinely and that their teams should aspire to that.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2024, 10:20:21 AM
Is this a fair comp? I know this is a popular take but the sports are wildly different.
Not very fair at all. Every team in the NBA plays under same rules when it comes to money. In baseball some teams have a $60M payroll - others $300M.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 04, 2024, 10:38:47 AM
I don't need Mark to spend like the Mets. But he's gotta stretch at some point. Wasting Burnes and Woodruff's last few years of team control without getting the offense help (Cutch doesn't count) was so bad.
I was fine with them not spending going into this year, given what they had coming back. But this year showed the young guys can hang, that Chourio is on a star trajectory, and the pitching depth is ridiculous. Now's the time to push the chips in. Get some guys who can give Chourio some actual protection in the lineup. You can't let Willy walk and hope that Yelich is healthy, and that'll be enough offense.
The idea that "hey, we're a small market what else do you want?" drives me up the wall. If you're good enough to get to the postseason this often you do whatever is necessary to break through. Right now, the organization seems comfortable being the Twins of the 2000s. Yeah it's better than when Bud and Wendy owned the team, but you can't scold fans for wanting to see some actual ambition.
This. There are years to contract and years to make the push. I obviously like to always be competing, and they obviously have been extremely successful there. But to waste the best (team controlled) pitching staff we have ever had is criminal...even if you take the hit in subsequent years.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 04, 2024, 10:38:47 AM
I don't need Mark to spend like the Mets. But he's gotta stretch at some point. Wasting Burnes and Woodruff's last few years of team control without getting the offense help (Cutch doesn't count) was so bad.
I was fine with them not spending going into this year, given what they had coming back. But this year showed the young guys can hang, that Chourio is on a star trajectory, and the pitching depth is ridiculous. Now's the time to push the chips in. Get some guys who can give Chourio some actual protection in the lineup. You can't let Willy walk and hope that Yelich is healthy, and that'll be enough offense.
The idea that "hey, we're a small market what else do you want?" drives me up the wall. If you're good enough to get to the postseason this often you do whatever is necessary to break through. Right now, the organization seems comfortable being the Twins of the 2000s. Yeah it's better than when Bud and Wendy owned the team, but you can't scold fans for wanting to see some actual ambition.
But that's pretty much exactly what Mark has always done. When he feels he has a real chance, he goes for it. 2018, 2011, 2021.
There's a TON of luck in winning a World Series. The best team doesn't always win. Get yourself into the Playoffs and hope you're hot at the right time.
Yes. Get in, get hot. Like NCState.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 04, 2024, 11:48:39 AM
But that's pretty much exactly what Mark has always done. When he feels he has a real chance, he goes for it. 2018, 2011, 2021.
There's a TON of luck in winning a World Series. The best team doesn't always win. Get yourself into the Playoffs and hope you're hot at the right time.
2018 and '19 are the closest to a genuine go at it, with Cain/Moose/Grandal and the Yelich deal. After that it was pretty half ass.
And of course there's luck involved. But when the areas you're good at go sideways in the playoffs every year, that ain't just bad luck.
The opponent is a good team and it is a short series. Sometimes, it is nothing but small mistakes and bad luck.
My final word(s) on who should have pitched the 9th:
Bruce Bochyq and Josh Sborz.
Its what got them here so cant really fault it much, but really dont see the point in HOlton as the opener for the Tigers today.
Olson was a top starter in the AL for a bunch of the first half until he got hurt. Just let him start the game.
There is much match up to play when Kwan(elite bat to ball skills), Fry(righty), Ramirez(switch and better right handed) start off. Basically HOlton is there for Naylor??
And then I think it was compounded that if you do go that route, you cant bring in a starter like Olson out of the pen mid inning. Bring someone else in. Let Olson start a clean second
in 1 pitch you saw why. Olson was great after that.
One bad pitch to a guy you cant throw a meatball to
But Senga looked really good in his two innings. Bummer for Mets he basically missed the whole season so he could only go 2
Holton has been very good all year, not just the last two months. Not today. Good to see Olson stretch it out a little. But you dance with who brung ya.
Everytime in the last 8 weeks that Detroit has lost, that little voice whispered that the run was over. Every time, the kids shrugged and bounced back. Hopefully, Skubal is his normal self on Monday.
Now, for everyone's favorite cliche.
House money.
Wheeler is elite
But the Mets also might wanna stop swinging at pitches a solid 10 feet out of the zone
Dominant outing from Wheeler
Shoulda let Wheeler throw 150 pitches
Cardiac Mets
The Fix is in.
League wants the Yanks
Someone stop the Mets
Stay classy, Dodger fans.
Steve Kwan just made a ridiculous catch
He did. Parker Meadows just used his 6'5 frame to great effect.
Quote from: tower912 on October 07, 2024, 05:28:28 PM
He did. Parker Meadows just used his 6'5 frame to great effect.
That ball carried a lot farther than it looked off the bat
Play with fire, scarecrow?
Carpenter was due to get one.
Clase was due to break
Carpenter with a hammer.
Home plate ump had early dinner reservations, I see
All 4 dovisional series now tied.
Detroit has 10 pitchers available for Wedesday. Skubal, obviously, but I don't think they will use Olson before Thursday after going 4+ on Saturday. My gut says Holton again, but Montero is equally likely.
Carpenter had the glorious bomb, but the starting DH, Henry-Malloy, was 2-3. Lenny, you asked about Carpenter and lefties. So, far in his 3 year career, the splits are pretty damning. And on this team, right now, what Hinch is doing is working. I hope for his sake that Carpenter can figure out lefties.
RIP Luis Tiant.
Arguably the GOAT of funky windups.
Indeed. RIP
Quote from: tower912 on October 08, 2024, 01:54:33 PM
Indeed. RIP
Great pitcher, fun guy to watch pitch. I had the good fortune to be a Red Sox fan during his stint with the team.
Red Sox won all three of his starts against the Big Red Machine in the 1975 World Series, but lost all of the other four games.
I think he will eventually get into the Hall of Fame. If he started with a good team rather than Cleveland, I think he'd already be in.
His delivery was deception. He could throw strikes with sink from so many arm angles.
And I was a Reds fan. Without looking, I could probably still name 23 players from that team. 49 years later, I might miss a couple.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 08, 2024, 02:04:16 PM
Great pitcher, fun guy to watch pitch. I had the good fortune to be a Red Sox fan during his stint with the team.
Red Sox won all three of his starts against the Big Red Machine in the 1975 World Series, but lost all of the other four games.
I think he will eventually get into the Hall of Fame. If he started with a good team rather than Cleveland, I think he'd already be in.
His prime was before my time but saw enough highlights that I mimicked his motion anyway. His time in Boston saved his career.
Quote from: tower912 on October 08, 2024, 02:07:25 PM
His delivery was deception. He could throw strikes with sink from so many arm angles.
And I was a Reds fan. Without looking, I could probably still name 23 players from that team. 49 years later, I might miss a couple.
I am not a Reds fans, but I could give you at least 15 off the top of my head. Best starting eight of my lifetime, I think. (Bench, Perez, Morgan, Rose, Concepcion, Foster, Geronimo, Griffey - those I could definitely name off the top of my head). I'm not sure I could name 5 guys on the 2024 Reds. Weird how old brains work.
We all mimicked that motion. From that era, the Pete Rose crouch, Joe Morgan elbow flap, John Wockenfuss whatever-the-hell-that-stance was, the Rod Carew stance, Cecil Cooper bat circles. Ah, youth.
Throwing endless batting practice, when a kid got dialed in I.would drop down and throw a Quisenberry knuckleball. Their eyes would get big. My favorite kids were the ones who knew they were raking, knew it was coming, and asked to see it.
I threw out the a first pitch at a minor league game and threw a Quisenberry knuckleball. The young man who caught it came out to me laughing and congratulated me.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 08, 2024, 02:18:14 PM
I am not a Reds fans, but I could give you at least 15 off the top of my head. Best starting eight of my lifetime, I think. (Bench, Perez, Morgan, Rose, Concepcion, Foster, Geronimo, Griffey - those I could definitely name off the top of my head). I'm not sure I could name 5 guys on the 2024 Reds. Weird how old brains work.
I was 9. First great sports obsession.
Quote from: tower912 on October 08, 2024, 02:21:36 PM
I was 9. First great sports obsession.
I used to be able to recite the results of every Brewers game from 1982 with stats.
Quote from: tower912 on October 08, 2024, 02:20:56 PM
We all mimicked that motion. From that era, the Pete Rose crouch, Joe Morgan elbow flap, John Wockenfuss whatever-the-hell-that-stance was, the Rod Carew stance, Cecil Cooper bat circles. Ah, youth.
My guy to imitate was Yaz, who held the bat way up high. Weird thing is a stuck with it through high school and even on to slo-pitch softball. Just got used to it and felt most comfortable that way.
I don't know if any of you remember the old Tiger Dick McAuliffe, but he had the weirdest stance I ever saw.
Quote from: tower912 on October 08, 2024, 02:20:56 PM
We all mimicked that motion. From that era, the Pete Rose crouch, Joe Morgan elbow flap, John Wockenfuss whatever-the-hell-that-stance was, the Rod Carew stance, Cecil Cooper bat circles. Ah, youth.
Throwing endless batting practice, when a kid got dialed in I.would drop down and throw a Quisenberry knuckleball. Their eyes would get big. My favorite kids were the ones who knew they were raking, knew it was coming, and asked to see it.
I threw out the a first pitch at a minor league game and threw a Quisenberry knuckleball. The young man who caught it came out to me laughing and congratulated me.
Rod Carew was my Little League go-to stance.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 08, 2024, 02:18:14 PM
I am not a Reds fans, but I could give you at least 15 off the top of my head. Best starting eight of my lifetime, I think. (Bench, Perez, Morgan, Rose, Concepcion, Foster, Geronimo, Griffey - those I could definitely name off the top of my head). I'm not sure I could name 5 guys on the 2024 Reds. Weird how old brains work.
1976 Reds arguably were the best team ever!
Quote from: tower912 on October 08, 2024, 02:20:56 PM
We all mimicked that motion. From that era, the Pete Rose crouch, Joe Morgan elbow flap, John Wockenfuss whatever-the-hell-that-stance was, the Rod Carew stance, Cecil Cooper bat circles.
I distinctly remember my little league coach getting annoyed because every kid in the early 80s mimicked the Cecil Cooper stance.
Quote from: tower912 on October 08, 2024, 02:20:56 PM
We all mimicked that motion. From that era, the Pete Rose crouch, Joe Morgan elbow flap, John Wockenfuss whatever-the-hell-that-stance was, the Rod Carew stance, Cecil Cooper bat circles. Ah, youth.
Throwing endless batting practice, when a kid got dialed in I.would drop down and throw a Quisenberry knuckleball. Their eyes would get big. My favorite kids were the ones who knew they were raking, knew it was coming, and asked to see it.
I threw out the a first pitch at a minor league game and threw a Quisenberry knuckleball. The young man who caught it came out to me laughing and congratulated me.
Every time I hear the name John Wockenfuss (which is almost never) I think of Harry Caray. He loved playing the "so and so spelled backwards is so and so" game. He loved palindromes - "here's Toby Harrah - Harrah spelled backwards is Harrah, a rare pallindrome!". But his all time favorite was John Wockenfuss - "Wockenfuss at the plate. Wockenfuss spelled backwards is Suff ne cow. Not a Holy Cow, mind you, but a Suff ne cow!"
Padres are blowing up.
Dodgers back in it.
Schilt wasn't good enough to manage St. Louis.
Tigers absolutely have to get Carpenter consistent reps vs lefties early next year
You cannot have that good of a bat pulled in the 5th inning because of a lefty.
We saw exactly what he can do late. All of guardians big arms late are righties
Perhaps. He has three seasons of righty lefty splits. It would be nice for him to finally figure lefties out. McKinstry and Jung still available if Hinch doesn't like the match up. And, JHen has hit in the postseason so far.
Cleveland should try and score some runs, imo
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2024, 04:13:09 PM
Cleveland should try and score some runs, imo
You metrics geeks are always ruing the baseball I know and love.
Phillies should probably try and get some hits
Harper has to get a better read on that. Should've been on 2nd either way, but no way the LF is catching that ball. Ball bounced so high, he should've scored there. Have to get him in here.
Quote from: tower912 on October 09, 2024, 03:52:47 PM
Perhaps. He has three seasons of righty lefty splits. It would be nice for him to finally figure lefties out. McKinstry and Jung still available if Hinch doesn't like the match up. And, JHen has hit in the postseason so far.
Hinch is a good manager, trying to win every game. I get that. But splits this year were almost non existent. I agree with PG.
It would be nice. Offseason problem. Nothing is going to change right now.
3 for 28 this season against lefties.
16-68 in 2023
These playoffs have been awesome to watch.
Absolutely insane coaching by Philly.
Playing infield in with bases loaded no outs up 1 is asking for a trouble as it is.
And even when it works. You get the out at home but lose the DP and have to face Lindor with nowhere to put him. STUPID
Vientos after him too.
Just turn 2. Walk Lindor. Play a 1-1 game.
Why bother winning a division anymore?
Taking a week off can disrupt everything.
Signed, 2006 and 2012 Tigers.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 09, 2024, 06:39:30 PM
Absolutely insane coaching by Philly.
Playing infield in with bases loaded no outs up 1 is asking for a trouble as it is.
And even when it works. You get the out at home but lose the DP and have to face Lindor with nowhere to put him. STUPID
Vientos after him too.
Just turn 2. Walk Lindor. Play a 1-1 game.
Yup. Seems like a no-brainer.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2024, 06:46:17 PM
Why bother winning a division anymore?
Sell merch for sand money?
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 09, 2024, 07:27:04 PM
Sell merch for sand money?
Mets selling plenty of non-division winning merch
The Brewers are going to have their streak of losing to the NL World Series participant continue aren't they.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 09, 2024, 07:29:38 PM
The Brewers are going to have their streak of losing to the NL World Series participant continue aren't they.
Not just the NL WS participant. This streak dates back to their 1981 ALDS appearance.
Truly cursed franchise.
I would have had Witt run.
I understand the decision not to and this post isn't meant as a criticism. He was hoping for Sal to hit a dinger to get the lead. Witt is the fastest runner in the league and I would have sent him. Even if caught, Sal still has a chance to tie it in the 9th.
Quote from: Jockey on October 09, 2024, 09:02:38 PM
I would have had Witt run.
I understand the decision not to and this post isn't meant as a criticism. He was hoping for Sal to hit a dinger to get the lead. Witt is the fastest runner in the league and I would have sent him. Even if caught, Sal still has a chance to tie it in the 9th.
You would have also not announced someone had a base hit, before they actually had a base hit.
Really, third base umpire? You should be fired!!!
- Dodgers fans everywhere -
Padres had the edge, momentum. No Freddie. Home field.
And they start Cease on 3 days rest
LOL
Quote from: tower912 on October 09, 2024, 06:10:38 PM
It would be nice. Offseason problem. Nothing is going to change right now.
3 for 28 this season against lefties.
16-68 in 2023
Agree. He'll get a more extended chance next year.
Those who loved the Barry Sanders "act like you've been there before" reaction to TDs years ago musta really loved Francisco Lindor's reaction to his grand slam.
No bat flip. No chest pounding. No pointing to the crowd. No trash talking. Barely even smiled. Business as usual.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 09, 2024, 09:31:40 PM
Agree. He'll get a more extended chance next year.
He was out for 11 weeks this season with a stress fracture in his back. This coincided with Meadows and Torkelson being sent to AAA to find their swings. Greene pulled a hamstring. This is when Detroit went through a 21-34 streak and then spun their wheels.
Greene, Carpenter, and Meadows finally returned healthy in early August. Torkelson is still looking for his swing. The Tigers are not a great hitting team. The emphasis should be on the magic act they have pulled off with the pitching.
Quote from: MU82 on October 09, 2024, 11:06:01 PM
Those who loved the Barry Sanders "act like you've been there before" reaction to TDs years ago musta really loved Francisco Lindor's reaction to his grand slam.
No bat flip. No chest pounding. No pointing to the crowd. No trash talking. Barely even smiled. Business as usual.
Boring.
Sports are supposed to be exciting.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 10, 2024, 06:37:28 AM
Boring.
Sports are supposed to be exciting.
I'll never understand this. The home run is exciting. The touchdown is exciting. Pounding your chest or making gyrations when the play is over is not exciting, at least not to me.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 10, 2024, 10:33:48 AM
I'll never understand this. The home run is exciting. The touchdown is exciting. Pounding your chest or making gyrations when the play is over is not exciting, at least not to me.
It's an extension of the exciting play. Raw human emotion is something to behold.
Twins2SaltLakeCity
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 10, 2024, 10:33:48 AM
I'll never understand this. The home run is exciting. The touchdown is exciting. Pounding your chest or making gyrations when the play is over is not exciting, at least not to me.
I have never had a problem with celebrations after big plays, and I've really enjoyed some over the years. Athletes are humans, with emotions. I'm more surprised when they don't emote.
But they also have to be ready for mocking if things don't go their way. Perfect example was Cam Newton's Superman schtick - he was deservedly mocked when he sucked.
I do hate it when an athlete's celebration negatively affects the next play. Shaka rightly got pi$$ed at Jop last season when Jop didn't get back on D cuz he was too busy celebrating.
But the celebrations themselves? They're usually fun - and they're signs that athletes aren't robots.
And when an athlete does what Lindor did, he really stands out. I like that, too.
Eff Tim Lawless and his bay flip in '87
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 10, 2024, 10:33:48 AM
I'll never understand this. The home run is exciting. The touchdown is exciting. Pounding your chest or making gyrations when the play is over is not exciting, at least not to me.
100%. People who need the guy who just hit a grand slam in a playoff clinching game to do cartwheels around the bases to get excited about it shouldn't be going to baseball games. "Professional" Wrestling would be more to their liking.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 04:07:07 PM
100%. People who need the guy who just hit a grand slam in a playoff clinching game to do cartwheels around the bases to get excited about it shouldn't be going to baseball games. "Professional" Wrestling would be more to their liking.
Maybe you should let people determine the reasons their excitement without questioning the quality of their fandom.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 10, 2024, 04:18:04 PM
Maybe you should let people determine the reasons their excitement without questioning the quality of their fandom.
It's fine, it has more to do with me being the one that said it than what he actually thinks. ;)
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 10, 2024, 04:27:37 PM
It's fine, it has more to do with me being the one that said it than what he actually thinks. ;)
Well....
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 06, 2024, 08:50:13 AM
Some people hate fun and excitement.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 10, 2024, 04:18:04 PM
Maybe you should let people determine the reasons their excitement without questioning the quality of their fandom.
CT Warrior makes an observation in disagreement with one made by Hards. 7 hours pass no reply from Sultan. I make my first visit to this topic today and post an agreement with CT Warrior's observation. You reply to my agreement post IMMEDIATELY and jump down my throat. Your stalking is so obvious I should feel honored, I suppose. But it's just so weird and creepy. Get a life.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 04:32:11 PM
CT Warrior makes an observation in disagreement with one made by Hards. 7 hours pass no reply from Sultan. I make my first visit to this topic today and post an agreement with CT Warrior's observation. You reply to my agreement post IMMEDIATELY and jump down my throat. Your stalking is so obvious I should feel honored, I suppose. But it's just so weird and creepy. Get a life.
They had a friendly back and forth that didn't call for a response. You decided to question someone's fandom. Which is insane.
And if responding to someone on a message board is "stalking" and "creepy"...well that's insane too.
Guardians force a game 5. Buckle up, Tower
Fun ride. House money. Philosophical question. Would you rather have home field or Skubal starting?
May have to do it without Carpenter. Hamstring.
Quote from: tower912 on October 10, 2024, 08:26:37 PM
Fun ride. House money. Philosophical question. Would you rather have home field or Skubal starting?
I don't know his home/road splits are or what he's done against Cleveland but having this year's best on the mound for the big game can't be bad.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 10, 2024, 05:07:58 PM
They had a friendly back and forth that didn't call for a response. You decided to question someone's fandom. Which is insane.
And if responding to someone on a message board is "stalking" and "creepy"...well that's insane too.
Unintentionally funny. LOL.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2024, 02:23:34 PM
I used to be able to recite the results of every Brewers game from 1982 with stats.
Sew watt happened, dude? Case of da olds, hey?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 10, 2024, 04:07:07 PM
100%. People who need the guy who just hit a grand slam in a playoff clinching game to do cartwheels around the bases to get excited about it shouldn't be going to baseball games. "Professional" Wrestling would be more to their liking.
Why "professional" in quotes? Aren't professional wrestlers "professionals" . And do they celebrate more than "professional" baseball players?
Damn Yankees.
Quote from: Mutaman on October 11, 2024, 01:53:55 AM
Why "professional" in quotes? Aren't professional wrestlers "professionals" . And do they celebrate more than "professional" baseball players?
There are real wrestlers - high school, college, Olympic - who play a very competitive sport.
And there are "professional" wrestlers - who are actors in who follow a predetermined script - often one that is very much over the top. They do everything dramatic more than baseball players, including but not limited to, celebrating.
Quote from: tower912 on October 10, 2024, 08:26:37 PM
Fun ride. House money. Philosophical question. Would you rather have home field or Skubal starting?
May have to do it without Carpenter. Hamstring.
I am not a stat guy so I don't know if playing at home is an edge. It certainly did not help the Orioles, and the Royals lost both games at home.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 11, 2024, 07:58:30 AM
I am not a stat guy so I don't know if playing at home is an edge. It certainly did not help the Orioles, and the Royals lost both games at home.
I don't think home field matters much anymore in baseball.
Yeah, outside of the slight advantage of having the final at bat, I don't think it matters much at all.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 11, 2024, 08:03:28 AM
Yeah, outside of the slight advantage of having the final at bat, I don't think it matters much at all.
I think basketball is the one sport it still matters. I'm not well-versed in hockey to offer an opinion but based on how many lower seeds advance in the playoffs on a yearly basis, I don't think that matters either
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2024, 07:59:47 AM
I don't think home field matters much anymore in baseball.
Regular season, given long road trips and a crammed schedule it's a factor.
Playoffs, not so much.
Quote from: tower912 on October 11, 2024, 06:47:04 AM
Damn Yankees.
Number 28 would be sweet, but it looks like the Mets are playing great ball right now. If they meet in the WS the Mets won all six against the Yanks this season. The Golden age of NY baseball, 1947-1964, will never be repeated: 1948 and 1959 are the only two seasons a NY team did not make the WS.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 11, 2024, 08:03:28 AM
Yeah, outside of the slight advantage of having the final at bat, I don't think it matters much at all.
Judge who has the highest on base percentage of around .450 in 2024 is still struggling in the playoffs. Baseball in general favors the team in the field.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2024, 08:08:17 AM
Regular season, given long road trips and a crammed schedule it's a factor.
Playoffs, not so much.
Agree on the regular season
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2024, 07:38:02 AM
There are real wrestlers - high school, college, Olympic - who play a very competitive sport.
And there are "professional" wrestlers - who are actors in who follow a predetermined script - often one that is very much over the top. They do everything dramatic more than baseball players, including but not limited to, celebrating.
Based on that, maybe "wrestler" is the word that should be in quotes. We can all agree that they're professionals; I'm not sure that they're actually wrestlers.
Start time for game 5 between Cleveland and Detroit has been changes from 8:08 EDT to 1:08 EDT. Plan your day accordingly. I will probably not see a pitch for the second straight game. Alas.
Quote from: tower912 on October 11, 2024, 01:28:11 PM
Start time for game 5 between Cleveland and Detroit has been changes from 8:08 EDT to 1:08 EDT. Plan your day accordingly. I will probably not see a pitch for the second straight game. Alas.
MLB has really gone out of their way to bury that series. Well good luck, Tower, though I'll be rooting for Cleveland as they are my son's favorite team.
Quote from: tower912 on October 11, 2024, 01:28:11 PM
Start time for game 5 between Cleveland and Detroit has been changes from 8:08 EDT to 1:08 EDT. Plan your day accordingly. I will probably not see a pitch for the second straight game. Alas.
Sucks that I have a 12:20pm tee time
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 11, 2024, 01:55:38 PM
MLB has really gone out of their way to bury that series. Well good luck, Tower, though I'll be rooting for Cleveland as they are my son's favorite team.
They had to move it up. Weather.
Plus. Putting it at 7 was gonna have it going against Ohio State/Oregon.
Noon is probably better regardless.
Yamamota dealing.
Got a feeling Roberts, is gonna roberts this one.
Go Dodgers!!!
Good riddance to the Padres, especially Tatis and Machado
Carpenter available for pinch hitting. Probably wouldn't have started against Boyd anyway.
It appears Vogt is going to steal a page from the Tiger playbook and start running relievers out early.
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 12:09:05 PM
Carpenter available for pinch hitting. Probably wouldn't have started against Boyd anyway.
Will see him soon.
Vogt going with the mental strategy of burning his good relievers super early again in a game where Skubal will go 6-7 innings
I don't think so. He will be used for one AB. Not sub in and multiple ABs. Plus, JHM is swinging well.
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 12:46:37 PM
I don't think so. He will be used for one AB. Not sub in and multiple ABs. Plus, JHM is swinging well.
Already used.
And already burned Vogt
Skubal broke
Cinderella's run ends. Alas. It was a lot of fun.
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 06:59:18 PM
Cinderella's run ends. Alas. It was a lot of fun.
Hopefully you'll get to do it again next year.
Like every other team, there are definitely areas for improvement. Starting pitcher (is Jobe ready? Manning?) righthanded, power hitting hitting third baseman (Bregman?), resolution on Baez (I do not see a way he returns) Carpenter hitting lefties. Torkelson finding his 2023 power.
All of their young guys need to take the next step. There are more prospects in the pipeline.
It was fun. But lightning in a bottle is hard to do twice. They will be the hunted.
That was a baffling no tag up by Mookie there
Mets gotta get Senga out of there or this game will be over quickly
He has zero control
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 13, 2024, 07:36:41 PM
Mets gotta get Senga out of there or this game will be over quickly
He has zero control
Mets have the Dodgers where they want them
Flaherty looks fantastic through 3
The dodgers have thrown 30 consecutive scoreless innings
Insane decision to immediately go bullpen day in game 2 against Manea
Massive backfire
What's a Landon Knack?
Thus endeth the scoreless streak.
Quote from: MUBurrow on October 14, 2024, 03:49:48 PM
What's a Landon Knack?
A pitcher with a knack in name only.
I am willing to call my shot now
It works in the 162 game regular season, and barely against an inexperienced underdog cinderella who also has only 1 starting pitcher
But you literally cannot win a world series with a pitching staff like Cleveland. I dont care how good your pen is
Alex Cobb to Joey Cantillo in game 1 of a LCS is objectively equal parts hilarious and insane.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 14, 2024, 07:50:14 PM
I am willing to call my shot now
It works in the 162 game regular season, and barely against an inexperienced underdog cinderella who also has only 1 starting pitcher
But you literally cannot win a world series with a pitching staff like Cleveland. I dont care how good your pen is
Alex Cobb to Joey Cantillo in game 1 of a LCS is objectively equal parts hilarious and insane.
Cantillo pitched fine if you like walks and wild pitches
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2024, 08:05:16 PM
Cantillo pitched fine if you like walks and wild pitches
Hey, he got an out.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2024, 08:05:16 PM
Cantillo pitched fine if you like walks and wild pitches
He went full Ankiel
Hopefully for his sake, he doesnt also have to drop pitching all together.
He went full rookie in the playoffs pitching in NY. Whole team forgot how to throw strikes for a minute.
Quote from: tower912 on October 15, 2024, 05:53:03 AM
He went full rookie in the playoffs pitching in NY. Whole team forgot how to throw strikes for a minute.
Putting a rookie in with the bases loaded in a ALCS game in Yankees stadium. Who could have predicted that might not go well?
Im genuinely curious if Vogt has any idea MLB games are 9 innings
Hes an absolutely horrific manager
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 15, 2024, 08:30:01 PM
Im genuinely curious if Vogt has any idea MLB games are 9 innings
Hes an absolutely horrific manager
There are a lot of those in your mind.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 15, 2024, 09:04:07 PM
There are a lot of those in your mind.
Bad managing is bad managing
So is horrific managing.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 14, 2024, 07:50:14 PM
I am willing to call my shot now
It works in the 162 game regular season, and barely against an inexperienced underdog cinderella who also has only 1 starting pitcher
But you literally cannot win a world series with a pitching staff like Cleveland. I dont care how good your pen is
Alex Cobb to Joey Cantillo in game 1 of a LCS is objectively equal parts hilarious and insane.
Watched the last 2 innings of last night's ALCS. The Cleveland pitcher was actually called on a clock violation. It did not affect the outcome of the game, but it was ball 4. I am assuming that is pretty rare and justifies your statement about their pitching staff.
Good News/Bad News for White Sox fans.
Good: According to The Athletic, Jerry is willing to sell and is in talks with a potential buyer.
Bad: That potential buyer is Dave Stewart, who's been trying to move a team to Nashville.
Dave Stewart buys the White Sox? Sweet dreams are made of that. Would he lie to you?
2029 AL Central
Nashville Sox
Salt Lake Twins
Detroit Tigers
Cleveland Guardians
Kansas Royals (not Kansas City)
What. A. Game.
Guilty of prisoner of the moment, but these MLB playoffs have been as good as I've ever seen. Incredible moments in so many games.
That game was crazy. Kept giving guys meat balls. And guys kept smashing them.
Dodgers and Mets has potential already as well. Both starters look like trash
Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 17, 2024, 08:06:06 PM
Guilty of prisoner of the moment, but these MLB playoffs have been as good as I've ever seen. Incredible moments in so many games.
Been better than recent seasons, that's for sure. There was quite a run between '91-'93 and '95-'97 were wild. Hard to top 1986, though. '85 and '87 were pretty good, too.
I mean, I know Ohtani is elite
But like, refusing to throw him a strike with no one on base and 1 or no outs is simply stupid.
3 times in a row theyve done it. 3 times in a row hes come around and scored.
Wait, people don't post on Scoop while they sh!t?
I know with their payroll its not some shocker
But probably a good thing the Dodgers have like 5 times the injuries of the other 3 teams combined
Because they are so much better than any of these teams the injuries are all that will give someone else a shot to pull off the upset.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 17, 2024, 10:17:42 PM
Amazing.
I went with my three daughters. It'll be one we all always remember. They said it was the coolest sporting event they've attended.
Quote from: withoutbias on October 17, 2024, 09:49:17 PM
Wait, people don't post on Scoop while they sh!t?
Kind of thought that was prime posting time.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 17, 2024, 10:37:43 PM
Kind of thought that was prime posting time.
People post on here when they aren't shitting?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 17, 2024, 10:30:53 PM
I went with my three daughters. It'll be one we all always remember. They said it was the coolest sporting event they've attended.
That's really cool, SAW. Congrats!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 17, 2024, 09:19:40 PM
I mean, I know Ohtani is elite
But like, refusing to throw him a strike with no one on base and 1 or no outs is simply stupid.
3 times in a row theyve done it. 3 times in a row hes come around and scored.
Its also ridiculous cause his average with RISP is insane, but he's not been good at all with empty bases lately.
Bold of the Yankees to run Clay Holmes against the top of the Guardians batting order
Clase going full Hader
Ridiculous strike 3 call on the
Clev lead-off hitter in the 9th. Totally inexcusable.
Juan Soto just made himself another $50 mil or so.
Fifty-nine post season appearances, 41 AL Champions and 27 World Series Champions over the last 101 years. I have to be satisfied with that as I doubt my Yanks will beat either the Dodgers or by some miracle the Mets this season.
Yeah, 41 is pretty sweet.
Aw c'mon ... I wouldn't give up on those scrappy underdogs from the Bronx just yet!
Who had 'pitcher's duel' on tonight's bingo card?
I think Yankees fans are ok with regular season injury filled Staton, when he mashes like this when it counts
Guy is on a rampage.
That was not a bad pitch. Sitting on a low curve and going down to get it.
Classic Dave Roberts
Kike been like your best hitter, clutch in october. Have him bunt with 2 on and 1 out for Will Smith and Gavin Lux
Guy is just a moron.
Freeman.
Guy has been brutal due to the injuries.
What a moment for a guy whose had a hell of a career.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on October 17, 2024, 08:06:06 PM
Guilty of prisoner of the moment, but these MLB playoffs have been as good as I've ever seen. Incredible moments in so many games.
Bump
Tomorrow should be another good one.
Yamamot with the biggest pitching contract in history. In year 1 of an injury filled season with mixed post season results
Rodon on another massive contract with injuries and horrific to ok results.
But tomorrow is the start they get paid for
Also,
Boone bringing in Cortes whose not accustomed to the role in hasnt pitched in over a month over Hill a guy whose been great in the role
Just more nonsensical managing.
What an ending.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 25, 2024, 11:00:42 PM
Also,
Boone bringing in Cortes whose not accustomed to the role in hasnt pitched in over a month over Hill a guy whose been great in the role
Just more nonsensical managing.
As a life long Yankees fan, I approve this message.
It was not Nasty Nestor's spot especially not pitching in a game the last 4+ weeks.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 25, 2024, 11:00:42 PM
Also,
Boone bringing in Cortes whose not accustomed to the role in hasnt pitched in over a month over Hill a guy whose been great in the role
Just more nonsensical managing.
PG
Robert's is a moron, Boone is a moron, Baldelli is a moron. And they're at the absolute top of the profession. Imagine how easy the job of managing an MLB team would be for a non moron.You should give it a whirl.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 26, 2024, 09:17:35 AM
PG
Robert's is a moron, Boone is a moron, Baldelli is a moron. And they're at the absolute top of the profession. Imagine how easy the job of managing an MLB team would be for a non moron.You should give it a whirl.
I mean, yeah just dont make stupid moves
Boone was the entire talk of the post game it was that bad.
Cortes isnt a reliever has not pitched in over a MONTH. Hill has a 2.05 era as a Yankee, funky delivery and 1 ER in 5+ post season innings
Yeah, it was a moronic move. Trying to engage otherwise, just makes you look like...well, a moron.
Yamamoto earned his contract for this season.
Hell of a start
Lets see how that injury impacts Ohtani this week
Freddie is fiending for a WS MVP
Aaron Judge is gonna go down as the greatest summertime slugger of all time
His legacy is blow torched as it currently stands.
Imagine what his statue is gonna look like, hey
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 28, 2024, 10:46:01 PM
Aaron Judge is gonna go down as the greatest summertime slugger of all time
His legacy is blow torched as it currently stands.
I remember Steinbrenner referring to Winfield as Mr. May.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 28, 2024, 10:46:01 PM
Aaron Judge is gonna go down as the greatest summertime slugger of all time
His legacy is blow torched as it currently stands.
Over the last two decades the Yankees have paid big bucks for players and they're all no shows when it is their time to shine. This is from a Yankee fan.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 29, 2024, 06:54:25 AM
Over the last two decades the Yankees have paid big bucks for players and they're all no shows when it is their time to shine. This is from a Yankee fan.
I'd say Stanton has earned his contact in october. Absolutely hasnt in regular season tho.
Good news is, if y'all win the Soto sweepstakes. I wouldn't worry about him producing in October. He performs.
Ok. I dont think anyone rationally thought Boone would actually move Judge down in the order. Kinda have to just roll with the suck
But uhhhhh moving Stanton down?
Ok buddy
Freeman went from a guy getting pulled from games early and missing playoff starts his ankle was so bad
To an all time world series legend
Most consecutive games with a homer in WS. Unreal.
Yankees winning despite running the bases like a buncha drunks.
Quote from: MU82 on October 29, 2024, 09:23:03 PM
Yankees winning despite running the bases like a buncha drunks.
Good way to atone for bad base running is to hit a granny your next AB
Both the home plate and first base umpires have been real annoying tonight.
Stay classy, Yankee fans.
Don't look now, but the White Sox (gulp) actually did something smart.
Judge seemed to find something in Game 4 - took some tough pitches just out of the strike zone instead of swinging wildly at them as he had in the first 3 games, and then lined a single in his last AB.
Sure enough ... 2-run bomb his first time up tonight.
This could be a series yet.
Play little league defense, pay the price.
Quote from: tower912 on October 30, 2024, 08:46:00 PMPlay little league defense, pay the price.
That's an insult to Little League defense.
It doesnt take a genius to say, if you give the Dodgers 3 extra outs in an inning, they will cause you severe pain 100% of the time.
Quote from: tower912 on October 30, 2024, 08:46:00 PMPlay little league defense, pay the price.
Yep. You can't give any team - let alone one as good as LA - 6 outs.
I'd feel sorry for Cole, but he could have gotten out of the inning with no damage had he covered first base.
Cole not covering 1st base on that was one of the dumber defensive mistakes ive ever seen.
Trying to get the out at 3rd on the error before was bad too, but Cole was just inexcusably incompetent.
Congrats to the Dodgers.
Crazy start for Cole
0 ER, was basically fantastic all game long. But an insane blunder of his own doing that was followed by two rare misses that were hit well for damage.
What was that??
Wow.
Ohtani should come in to pitch here.
Surprised Roberts didn't pull this pitcher.
A well-earned loss for the Yankees.
Congrats to the Dodgers.
Quote from: MU82 on October 30, 2024, 10:54:28 PMA well-earned loss for the Yankees.
Congrats to the Dodgers.
That should be a fun commute home for Yankee fans.
The best team definitely won it all this year
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 30, 2024, 11:01:15 PMThe best team definitely won it all this year
Yes they did. This from a Yankee fan. The Dodgers have a great team. This team reminded me of the Yankee teams in the late 90s. Even if they were behind by 5 or 6 runs, they were never out of the game. Congrats to t the Dodgers.
Tower, I don't know how much of the series you watched, but these Yankees reminded me so much of the Tigers circa 2013. Excellent pitching, power, good offense, but horrific baserunners and a little nonchalant on defense.
If they just kept their collective heads out of their collective backsides they'd be going back to LA up 3-2.
A combined 16 walks. I doubt Tom Emanski will be putting this on any instructional video.
Fair. Those Tiger teams also lacked overall team speed and bullpen depth. Good teams run up pitch counts, limiting how deep into a game that a starter can go. Those teams made the plays on balls hit to them, they just had no range. Finally, Cabrera, Fielder, Martinez may have been the slowest trio of middle of the line up hitters ever.
Yes, the Yankees played poor defense for a lot of the year. Eventually, weaknesses catch up to you.
Kind of interesting, 2023 Angels with 2 generational, first ballot HOF players. Ohtani leaves in FA and wins a ring. Trout will be 34, coming off a significant knee injury and the 3rd time in 4 years playing less than 100 games, seemingly headed to a quiet end to his career and the footnote of being the only 3 time MVP without a WS title.
I'm sorry the Yankee season is now over but they did not deserve to win.
On another note, I learned in the local paper that the now infamous Mookie Betts grabber, Capobianco, is a fellow graduate of my high school.