MLB 2024 Season

[Jockey]

It must be in the water at 35th and Shields.

If you think walking Soto makes sense (I can understand that), then why not walk Judge also? Two IBB in a row is not so crazy that it would never be done. I think some teams walked Bonds with the bases loaded.

Absolutely agree. In the last 75 years, only Barry Bonds and Ted Williams have been better offensively than Judge has this year.

So unless Williams or Bonds is batting ahead of him, you don't walk anyone to get to Judge -unless, as you said, you also walk Judge

But at least Sizemore is cheap.

[PGsHeroes32]

Agreed.




Proposed exceptions:  100 pitches, 4 runs, injury requiring a stint on the DL.

Yeah. That alone is crazy

But the article I read said 4 or more EARNED runs. Which is even more insane if true.

Pitcher gives up 8 unearned runs on 50 pitches through 2. Gotta tough it out or hit the IL with a fake injury.

Zero chance it ever happens. Every player would refuse to play. But truly stunned it's even out there as an idea.

[tower912]

They want more offense.   Bringing in  a fresh arm throwing 98 with movement every inning hurts scoring.

[Jockey]

They want more offense.

Visit Miller Park.

[Its DJOver]

Can't imagine the MLBPA would ever let it happen. Would think it's "strike worthy" and a very firm line they would draw in the sand.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Visit Miller Park.

There is no such place.

[CreightonWarrior]

I'll take a series split with the dodgers any day.

[The Sultan]

Can't imagine the MLBPA would ever let it happen. Would think it's "strike worthy" and a very firm line they would draw in the sand.

I doubt they would find it strike worthy.

[MUBurrow]

I'll take the other side - I don't think the six inning rule is THAT insane.  Justin Verlander was really eloquent in proposing something similar earlier this year. The question is what the penalty would be if your pitcher fails to go six innings without falling under one of the exceptions, and how to prevent faking injuries to get out of that penalty.  If its like, lose your DH for the rest of the game and if you pull a pitcher early for injury he can't pitch again for 7 days (making you figure out a spot starter for one game) that seems reasonable to me. 

[PGsHeroes32]

I'll take the other side - I don't think the six inning rule is THAT insane.  Justin Verlander was really eloquent in proposing something similar earlier this year. The question is what the penalty would be if your pitcher fails to go six innings without falling under one of the exceptions, and how to prevent faking injuries to get out of that penalty.  If its like, lose your DH for the rest of the game and if you pull a pitcher early for injury he can't pitch again for 7 days (making you figure out a spot starter for one game) that seems reasonable to me.

That will never work

Its all just going to promote pitchers hiding soreness/fatigue. More injuries.

Its a truly bat sh it idea. Its also ignoring all the negligence of it all flat out incompetent off the simple fact the MLB rule for eternity is 5 innings qualifies as a win.

If there was ever a time for the Happy Gilmore academic quote, it would be following the proposal of this rule.

There isnt an ounce of practicality or sound thinking to it at all.

[Jockey]

There is no such place.

No Marquette Warriors either.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If there was ever a time for the Happy Gilmore academic quote, it would be following the proposal of this rule.

Billy Madison. For shame mixing up your Adam Sandler movies.

[4everwarriors]

Veronica Vaughn...so hot want to touch the heine, aina?

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

If manfred is truly even considering this 6 inning pitcher rule, he should immediately be impeached

And not dramatic, whoever came up with the idea should literally be lit on fire. Scary there's this kind of stupid out there.

Manfred hates baseball so unsurprised

[Dish]

Double hook rule is the answer. Adds intrigue and strategy, I'm in favor of it at least at the 5 inning mark.

[The Sultan]

Yelich out for the year. Undergoing back surgery.

[PGsHeroes32]

Billy Madison. For shame mixing up your Adam Sandler movies.

God dammit

In my defense tbs has been running a marathon of both a lot lately and I caught them back to back a couple Sundays ago for a bit each

But brutal blunder.

[MuggsyB]

Yelich out for the year. Undergoing back surgery.

That's too bad. I didn't realize he was having such a good season.  That said, the Brewers have an impressive record. 

[Jockey]

Veronica Vaughn...so hot want to touch the heine, aina?

Just dye your hair orange.

[MUBurrow]

That will never work

Its all just going to promote pitchers hiding soreness/fatigue. More injuries.

Its a truly bat sh it idea. Its also ignoring all the negligence of it all flat out incompetent off the simple fact the MLB rule for eternity is 5 innings qualifies as a win.

If there was ever a time for the Happy Gilmore academic quote, it would be following the proposal of this rule.

There isnt an ounce of practicality or sound thinking to it at all.

I also think the proposal looks a lot of the wrong benchmarks (i agree 6 IP vs 5 jumps out), but I really don't get the visceral hate. I come out where Dish does. The sound thinking is to try to use carrots and sticks to reincentivize longevity over pure stuff.  Throwing 60 high spin curveballs is what makes your arm fall off, not throwing 100 fastballs.  The logic is that if teams at the highest level are sufficiently incentivized to start pitchers who go deep into games, that will filter down to the lower levels and pitchers will be rewarded for location and control rather than just the most movement.

The reason I'm skeptical is that the nasty stuff cat is out of the bag, and if I'm trying to make it to the big leagues, I'm going to ride my nasty stuff as long as I can and if it leaves me as a reliever, so be it. 

[PGsHeroes32]

I also think the proposal looks a lot of the wrong benchmarks (i agree 6 IP vs 5 jumps out), but I really don't get the visceral hate. I come out where Dish does. The sound thinking is to try to use carrots and sticks to reincentivize longevity over pure stuff.  Throwing 60 high spin curveballs is what makes your arm fall off, not throwing 100 fastballs.  The logic is that if teams at the highest level are sufficiently incentivized to start pitchers who go deep into games, that will filter down to the lower levels and pitchers will be rewarded for location and control rather than just the most movement.

The reason I'm skeptical is that the nasty stuff cat is out of the bag, and if I'm trying to make it to the big leagues, I'm going to ride my nasty stuff as long as I can and if it leaves me as a reliever, so be it.

The visceral hate would be trying to subjectively state what type of start should say a pitcher mandatory goes 6 innings.

What if a team wants to call up a prospect for a spot start? That guy has to go 6 innings?

For decades its been a thing where guys working back from injury are on pitch counts. So now guys have to ramp up fully in the minors and when they come back are required to throw 100 pitches before they can legally leave a game?

Its just asking for guys to blow out their arm. Asking them to lie about fatigue.

It also completely takes game to game circumstances out of it. Maybe a guy does deal for 4 shut out innings. But what if he had to battle out of jams. Threw 85 pitches and its 98 degrees out? Get back out there bud or hit the IL for a week?? Crazy.

Shouldn't bother me or anyone that much simply because there's a better chance I win the election than this actually happens. But its delusional at best. Negligent and incompetent at worst.

[Dish]

My hot take is the double hook should be no matter what inning the SP comes out. Only because it'd be great strategy to see what a team does and fun to watch play out.

Even if it's 5 IP=stay in the batting order, I can't see a good argument against the double hook.

[MUBurrow]

The visceral hate would be trying to subjectively state what type of start should say a pitcher mandatory goes 6 innings.

What if a team wants to call up a prospect for a spot start? That guy has to go 6 innings?

For decades its been a thing where guys working back from injury are on pitch counts. So now guys have to ramp up fully in the minors and when they come back are required to throw 100 pitches before they can legally leave a game?

Its just asking for guys to blow out their arm. Asking them to lie about fatigue.

It also completely takes game to game circumstances out of it. Maybe a guy does deal for 4 shut out innings. But what if he had to battle out of jams. Threw 85 pitches and its 98 degrees out? Get back out there bud or hit the IL for a week?? Crazy.

Shouldn't bother me or anyone that much simply because there's a better chance I win the election than this actually happens. But its delusional at best. Negligent and incompetent at worst.

I just don't think its this "has to" "mandatory" thing. Its not like if your SP doesn't go 6 innings your team loses. Its a proposal that says "if you want to build a rotation of Blake Snells, its going to cost you something."  Right now, that doesn't cost you anything because the game has evolved to where you have 8 RPs with stuff as good as most starters.  And incentivizing that level of stuff is causing everyone from teenagers to pros to blow their arms out. The double hook or whatever penalty (or reward) there would be on the 5 or 6 inning threshold is just trying to use carrots and sticks to create an incentive to reward teams for rostering pitchers who have designed their arsenal to go deeper into games. And that seems a worthwhile project.

[PGsHeroes32]

I just don't think its this "has to" "mandatory" thing. Its not like if your SP doesn't go 6 innings your team loses. Its a proposal that says "if you want to build a rotation of Blake Snells, its going to cost you something."  Right now, that doesn't cost you anything because the game has evolved to where you have 8 RPs with stuff as good as most starters.  And incentivizing that level of stuff is causing everyone from teenagers to pros to blow their arms out. The double hook or whatever penalty (or reward) there would be on the 5 or 6 inning threshold is just trying to use carrots and sticks to create an incentive to reward teams for rostering pitchers who have designed their arsenal to go deeper into games. And that seems a worthwhile project.

But again,

Its far deeper than that. First off, it is using carrots and sticks to try and force guys into over extending. Like that is the point of it.

But also, why its deeper is because not all games are equal. So because a guy battles his ass off to get through 4 innings in smouldering heat you have to eat the penalty?

If guys are working back from injury and can only go 75 pitches just gotta be ready to eat it?

About the only thing they can reasonably do is find a way to eliminate openers. No one is going for forcing starters to go anywhere close to 6 innings.

[The Sultan]

Is the lack of starting pitching an actual problem?