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WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2024, 09:38:43 AM
The combination of workload concerns and the extension demand really lowered Crochet's value. He'll be worth more in the offseason.
As for being the best sellers market, the evidence doesn't really bear that out. The other starters dealt at the deadline brought back underwhelming returns ... zero prospects in MLB Pipeline's top 100 and, with the exception of Norby going to Miami for Rogers, all outside organizations' top 5.
You make good points. I stand corrected.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 31, 2024, 11:11:59 AM
4 teams given a D grade by the Athletic for their deadline efforts : San Francisco, Colorado, Detroit and (of course) the White Sox.
I really think the White Sox will stack 3-4 100+ loss season in a row. (And not get better than the 10th pick)

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 31, 2024, 11:11:59 AM
4 teams given a D grade by the Athletic for their deadline efforts : San Francisco, Colorado, Detroit and (of course) the White Sox.

I saw that... but then I sae a different athletic article that listed the White Sox as one of the winnners of the trade deadline.  Don't have an opinion either way but thought it was funny that the athletic disagreed with itself
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

I am one of the last people to believe in the White Sox vision but I think it could have gone worse for them, and of course prospect development is purely hindsight driven.

Then again this is a Jerry owned team so just give them an F and move on
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

Re: COVID-19

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on July 31, 2024, 11:42:16 AM
I am one of the last people to believe in the White Sox vision but I think it could have gone worse for them, and of course prospect development is purely hindsight driven.

Then again this is a Jerry owned team so just give them an F and move on
Seeing more rumors that Jerry is showing signs of, shall I say, lower cognitive ability. Completely understandable considering his age. And apparently Getz has been told to trim payroll next year. Maybe a sale is on the horizon. 

Pakuni

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 31, 2024, 11:11:59 AM
4 teams given a D grade by the Athletic for their deadline efforts : San Francisco, Colorado, Detroit and (of course) the White Sox.

The reasoning for that White Sox grade is very dumb, though.
It says:
"Their emphasis on middle infielders instead of pitching prospects in trade returns was head-scratching."

Anyone who knows anything about the White Sox system right now knows its loaded with pitching and very thin on position players, and especially after using their top pick this year on Hagen Smith.
They were always going to seek bats over arms at the deadline.
I have questions about the quality the Sox got back from the Dodgers, but the idea that they should have targeted pitching at the deadline shows a real lack of knowledge about what they've got on the farm.

cheebs09

Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2024, 01:00:44 PM
The reasoning for that White Sox grade is very dumb, though.
It says:
"Their emphasis on middle infielders instead of pitching prospects in trade returns was head-scratching."

Anyone who knows anything about the White Sox system right now knows its loaded with pitching and very thin on position players, and especially after using their top pick this year on Hagen Smith.
They were always going to seek bats over arms at the deadline.
I have questions about the quality the Sox got back from the Dodgers, but the idea that they should have targeted pitching at the deadline shows a real lack of knowledge about what they've got on the farm.

That seems to be the Brewers strategy. They have prioritized the middle of the field as they are more valuable and can have more positional flexibility.

Then they can use them in a trade for other positions if that talent hits.

Not all scoop users are created equal apparently

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 31, 2024, 11:50:09 AM
Seeing more rumors that Jerry is showing signs of, shall I say, lower cognitive ability. Completely understandable considering his age. And apparently Getz has been told to trim payroll next year. Maybe a sale is on the horizon.

Gee whiz I sure hope so!
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

Re: COVID-19

MUfan12

Murphy is a good morale guy but I'm starting to think he was best suited as a bench coach.

The in-game decisions today have defied any sort of logic.

The Lens

Quote from: MUfan12 on July 31, 2024, 03:32:39 PM
Murphy is a good morale guy but I'm starting to think he was best suited as a bench coach.

The in-game decisions today have defied any sort of logic.

Bringing in Elvis?
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

MUfan12

Quote from: The Lens on July 31, 2024, 03:48:37 PM
Bringing in Elvis?

That, and not pinch hitting for Monasterio in the sixth. Against a righty, no less.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MUfan12 on July 31, 2024, 03:57:57 PM
That, and not pinch hitting for Monasterio in the sixth. Against a righty, no less.

I was fine with Elvis coming in.  Didn't work but i get it.

Not pinching Turang for Monasterio with the bases loaded against a righty was nonsensical
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


MUfan12

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 31, 2024, 04:03:28 PM
I was fine with Elvis coming in.  Didn't work but i get it.

Not pinching Turang for Monasterio with the bases loaded against a righty was nonsensical

Peguero is 4th worst in MLB when it comes to allowing inherited runners to score. Pretty much anyone else would be better.

MU82

What is the White Sox upside to NOT shutting down Garrett Crochet for the rest of the season?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MUBurrow

Quote from: MU82 on July 31, 2024, 05:45:02 PM
What is the White Sox upside to NOT shutting down Garrett Crochet for the rest of the season?

tower912

One of life's little joys....having a retired major leaguer turned broadcaster quoting one of your coaching tenets, while watching the game with your 17 year old who heard it 100 times over the years.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: tower912 on August 01, 2024, 06:47:33 PM
One of life's little joys....having a retired major leaguer turned broadcaster quoting one of your coaching tenets, while watching the game with your 17 year old who heard it 100 times over the years.
So dad actually knows something? Don't let it go to your head. ;D

MU82

Quote from: tower912 on August 01, 2024, 06:47:33 PM
One of life's little joys....having a retired major leaguer turned broadcaster quoting one of your coaching tenets, while watching the game with your 17 year old who heard it 100 times over the years.

Now you gotta share, tower. What was the tenet?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: MU82 on August 02, 2024, 07:29:49 AM
Now you gotta share, tower. What was the tenet?

WORK HARDER

cheebs09


lawdog77

Too lazy to fact check, the Sthetic wrote that Blake Snell's no hitter was the first time the two.time Cy Young winner had pitched into the 9th inning

The Lens

Quote from: lawdog77 on August 04, 2024, 07:21:19 AM
Too lazy to fact check, the Sthetic wrote that Blake Snell's no hitter was the first time the two.time Cy Young winner had pitched into the 9th inning

Complete games are so cool.  I hate the stuff new baseball has taken away from us.  I was at the Paul Skenes at Miller Park last month.  I as a Brewers fan was upset they took him out.  I wanted to see him chase history.  We're protecting these guys as much as ever and we're not seeing a marked difference in injury prevention. 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

CreightonWarrior

Quote from: The Lens on August 04, 2024, 09:59:09 AM
Complete games are so cool.  I hate the stuff new baseball has taken away from us.  I was at the Paul Skenes at Miller Park last month.  I as a Brewers fan was upset they took him out.  I wanted to see him chase history.  We're protecting these guys as much as ever and we're not seeing a marked difference in injury prevention.
All the injuries seem to be coming from pitchers chasing speed, not pitch count.

MU82

#549
I was at Baltimore's 3-game series vs the Twins at the Metrodome in which the 1988 Orioles extended their losing streak to a modern-day AL record 21. The O's snapped the skid the next day - April 29 - beating the White Sox.

This year's Twins completed a 3-game sweep of Chicago yesterday, extending the White Sox' streak to 20. Would've been poetic if the Sox played Baltimore today ... but they don't. They're at Oakland to start a 3-game series.

The A's are the AL's second-worst team ... but they are 19 1/2 games ahead of the White Sox.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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