MLB 2024 Season

[4everwarriors]

Should have simply kept Hader and Burnes. Woulda bin da easiest answer, aina?

[MUBurrow]

I know they hit on these trades fairly often...but I wish the Brewers would trade for at least one pitcher who didn't have an ERA north of 5.

What jumped out at me most is how much Wiemer's stock has fallen.  Arnold knows better than I do, but I don't know if Montas moves the dial enough to sell that low on Wiemer.  If they see something in Montas that they think they can tweak him to make a legit playoff starter, that changes things.  Otherwise, I wonder if they would have been better off trying to rehab Wiemer's value before dealing him.

[cheebs09]

Should have simply kept Hader and Burnes. Woulda bin da easiest answer, aina?

And then get upset when they walk for nothing? I think both trades have been working out in the long run for the Brewers.

Ruiz was a key piece in getting Contreras and Gasser looked solid before his injury. Our bullpen hasn't really suffered.

[4everwarriors]

Considering he just took on Montas' contract, not really. But yes obviously financials will always be more important in small markets.

It's been reported that Montas has a $20 mil mutual option for next season, not certain of the buyout. So, I'd be surprised if Mark pays that kinda bread going forward. Most likely one's a rental for the reminder of this season. Which is still outta character for da Brewers, hey?

[4everwarriors]

And then get upset when they walk for nothing? I think both trades have been working out in the long run for the Brewers.

Ruiz was a key piece in getting Contreras and Gasser looked solid before his injury. Our bullpen hasn't really suffered.

Nah, ya simply pay 'em so they don't walk. Gotta piss with da big boyz, aina?

[wadesworld]

Should have simply kept Hader and Burnes. Woulda bin da easiest answer, aina?

The back end of the Brewers bullpen has been anything but an issue, and that's with major injuries back there.  Hader has had 2 bad seasons and one good season since the Brewers traded him, and there would be no William Contreras on the Brewers if there was still Josh Hader on the Brewers.  The Brewers absolutely won that trade.

Burnes is going to get paid a lot more than the Brewers could pay him.

But the Bucks definitely should've traded Giannis.

[The Sultan]

The Brewers are not in a financial position to sign a 30 year, unrestricted free agent pitcher like Burnes because the back end of that contract will likely be a disaster. They either have to lock them up early, like with Freddy.

Saying that the Brewers should "piss with the big boys" and claiming that Mark A. is cheap otherwise, is a ridiculous statement considering how revenue is earned in the MLB. Right now there are only two teams in the NL with better records - both of whom earn over $100 million more in revenue than the Brewers.

[Uncle Rico]

Imagine paying a closer the kind of money Hader is making

😂😂😂

[Uncle Rico]

The Brewers are not in a financial position to sign a 30 year, unrestricted free agent pitcher like Burnes because the back end of that contract will likely be a disaster. They either have to lock them up early, like with Freddy.

Saying that the Brewers should "piss with the big boys" and claiming that Mark A. is cheap otherwise, is a ridiculous statement considering how revenue is earned in the MLB. Right now there are only two teams in the NL with better records - both of whom earn over $100 million more in revenue than the Brewers.

4elder isn't a big fan of facts

[Dickthedribbler]

What jumped out at me most is how much Wiemer's stock has fallen.  Arnold knows better than I do, but I don't know if Montas moves the dial enough to sell that low on Wiemer.  If they see something in Montas that they think they can tweak him to make a legit playoff starter, that changes things.  Otherwise, I wonder if they would have been better off trying to rehab Wiemer's value before dealing him.

Wiemer had a hole  in his swing that never got corrected. Solid defensive player, but you have to also get offensive production from major league outfielders. I just don't think the Brewers believed he would become a reliable major league hitter. Plus with the emergence of Perkins, Chourio, Mitchell and Frelick, he became the odd man out. Maybe a change of scenery will boost his career.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Imagine paying a closer the kind of money Hader is making

😂😂😂

Imagine paying 4elder to make roster decisions. He'd make the current White Sox look like juggernauts.

[MUBurrow]

Wiemer had a hole  in his swing that never got corrected. Solid defensive player, but you have to also get offensive production from major league outfielders. I just don't think the Brewers believed he would become a reliable major league hitter. Plus with the emergence of Perkins, Chourio, Mitchell and Frelick, he became the odd man out. Maybe a change of scenery will boost his career.

No disagreement here. And maybe the book is sufficiently out at this point that there is no reasonable chance to rehab his trade value.  But to go from a top 5 prospect in the system two years ago to being traded for half a dozen starts of 2024 Frankie Montas is quite a fall.

[cheebs09]

The Brewers are not in a financial position to sign a 30 year, unrestricted free agent pitcher like Burnes because the back end of that contract will likely be a disaster. They either have to lock them up early, like with Freddy.

Saying that the Brewers should "piss with the big boys" and claiming that Mark A. is cheap otherwise, is a ridiculous statement considering how revenue is earned in the MLB. Right now there are only two teams in the NL with better records - both of whom earn over $100 million more in revenue than the Brewers.

It's like people have forgotten complaining endlessly about paying $20M for Braun to be hurt half the year.

[Uncle Rico]

No disagreement here. And maybe the book is sufficiently out at this point that there is no reasonable chance to rehab his trade value.  But to go from a top 5 prospect in the system two years ago to being traded for half a dozen starts of 2024 Frankie Montas is quite a fall.

OF is a position of depth for them.  Not high on Frelick and Wiemer has more pop but he was bad at the end of '23 and looked like he had no confidence.

His slash line of .242/.387/.358 at Triple A this year wasn't something hopeful.

[Uncle Rico]

Imagine paying 4elder to make roster decisions. He'd make the current White Sox look like juggernauts.

The minute Burnes signed a new deal with the Brewers paying him a ton of money and he started to struggle, we'd get "peddle his azz"

[Uncle Rico]

Peddle this guy, too

https://x.com/cyrthogg/status/1818318096181932218?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q

[tower912]

Dodgers win the Flaherty sweepstakes.

[PGsHeroes32]

Dodgers win the Flaherty sweepstakes.

They really win considering they gave up less than the Astros did for Kikuchi who stinks.

Tigers and Astros both have a FO of alcoholics or something

[MUBurrow]

A surprising number of contenders trading away potentially useful relievers at the deadline.

[ChuckyChip]

It's been reported that Montas has a $20 mil mutual option for next season, not certain of the buyout. So, I'd be surprised if Mark pays that kinda bread going forward. Most likely one's a rental for the reminder of this season. Which is still outta character for da Brewers, hey?

FYI - Montas buyout is $2M.

[MU82]

I don't blame Crochet for saying he wouldn't pitch in the postseason for any team that wouldn't give him a big-money contract extension. He was trying to leverage the tiny bit of power he has.

I also don't blame every team interested in acquiring him telling him to have fun the next two months with the worst team in MLB history.

[MUBurrow]

I don't blame Crochet for saying he wouldn't pitch in the postseason for any team that wouldn't give him a big-money contract extension. He was trying to leverage the tiny bit of power he has.

I also don't blame every team interested in acquiring him telling him to have fun the next two months with the worst team in MLB history.

Yeah, Crochet never made sense as a deadline deal to me.  Given his workload concerns and how great he has looked this year, I don't think CWS get any less for him this offseason than they would have now (assuming they shut him down before he has a chance to get hurt).  I'm kinda curious how the conversations with Getz went, because he was blindsided that Crochet's team leaked his extension demand - but otherwise, I think this played out as it should have.

[WhiteTrash]

Yeah, Crochet never made sense as a deadline deal to me.  Given his workload concerns and how great he has looked this year, I don't think CWS get any less for him this offseason than they would have now (assuming they shut him down before he has a chance to get hurt).  I'm kinda curious how the conversations with Getz went, because he was blindsided that Crochet's team leaked his extension demand - but otherwise, I think this played out as it should have.

I agree with all of this. The fact that the Getz was blindsided by Crochet and the grades on Getz's deadline deals from the "experts" have exposed the rookie GM's lack of experience. Maybe the offseason deal will work out well, but Getz may have missed a great opportunity in one of the best "sellers" markets in a long time.

[Pakuni]

I agree with all of this. The fact that the Getz was blindsided by Crochet and the grades on Getz's deadline deals from the "experts" have exposed the rookie GM's lack of experience. Maybe the offseason deal will work out well, but Getz may have missed a great opportunity in one of the best "sellers" markets in a long time.

The combination of workload concerns and the extension demand really lowered Crochet's value. He'll be worth more in the offseason.
As for being the best sellers market, the evidence doesn't really bear that out. The other starters dealt at the deadline brought back underwhelming returns ... zero prospects in MLB Pipeline's top 100 and, with the exception of Norby going to Miami for Rogers, all outside organizations' top 5.

[Lennys Tap]

4 teams given a D grade by the Athletic for their deadline efforts : San Francisco, Colorado, Detroit and (of course) the White Sox.