Today ESPN's Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a #3 Seed playing #14 Seed Vermont in Pittsburgh with the Winner playing the Winner of #6 Seed Kentucky vs #11 Seed West Virginia/Virginia
Today a four year old played battle with a GI Joe doll & his sister's Barbie. Winner gets to give the puppy treats tonight
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on July 11, 2023, 02:46:55 PM
Today ESPN's Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a #3 Seed playing #11 Seed Vermont in Pittsburgh with the Winner playing the Winner of #6 Seed Kentucky vs #11 Seed West Virginia/Virginia
Not Vermont again - great now all the overconfident smug scoop posters are going to ruin the tourney vibe again.
Bracketologists like to replay games far more than does the NCAA tourney committee.
He has us 2 seed lines too low. And pretty sure Vermont won't be an 11 seed ;)
Quote from: PointWarrior on July 11, 2023, 03:11:06 PM
Not Vermont again - great now all the overconfident smug scoop posters are going to ruin the tourney vibe again.
A comment like this is Catamount to treason!!
Brilliant!
I don't care about the seed ... just hope it's high enough that MU plays in Indianapolis, and then heads to Detroit
In Today's New ESPN Bracketology Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a #3 Seed playing #14 Seed Eastern Kentucky in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed Kentucky versus #11 Seed Dayton in the West "Los Angeles" Region
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on September 12, 2023, 03:48:14 PM
In Today's New ESPN Bracketology Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a #3 Seed playing #14 Seed Eastern Kentucky in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed Kentucky versus #11 Seed Dayton in the West "Los Angeles" Region
At this rate Joe will have MU as an #11 seed by November.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on September 12, 2023, 03:48:14 PM
In Today's New ESPN Bracketology Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a #3 Seed playing #14 Seed Eastern Kentucky in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed Kentucky versus #11 Seed Dayton in the West "Los Angeles" Region
ESPN still hates us.
Washington Post bracketologist has Marquette as the #1 seed in the West, playing NCAAT opener in Indy and facing winner of 8/9 between Auburn and Indiana.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/11/06/ncaa-tournament-bracketology/?utm_campaign=wp_the7&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_the7
Apparently the WAPO hates us too ...
First round in INDY v. IU ? Pass
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 06, 2023, 06:44:02 AM
Apparently the WAPO hates us too ...
First round in INDY v. IU ? Pass
Well, it would be second round. But yes.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on September 12, 2023, 06:56:25 PM
ESPN still hates us.
I think they hate Kentucky more. We are Kentucky's Michigan State.
LMAO - Lunardi bumped us up to a 2 seed after one game - he loves us again!
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 06, 2023, 06:44:02 AM
Apparently the WAPO hates us too ...
First round in INDY v. IU ? Pass
I fully realize bracketology is a joke especially in November but would they place a 10 seed IU in Indy like Lunardi projects? I didn't know 10 seeds could get protected seeding.
No.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 07, 2023, 02:33:45 PM
I fully realize bracketology is a joke especially in November but would they place a 10 seed IU in Indy like Lunardtic projects? I didn't know 10 seeds could get protected seeding.
Scoop spell check must have a bug.
can we get hourly updates between now and March?
Quote from: mugrad_89 on November 07, 2023, 01:31:20 PM
LMAO - Lunardi bumped us up to a 2 seed after one game - he loves us again!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 07, 2023, 02:41:48 PM
Scoop spell check must have a bug.
You may be wrong. He may be crazy.
Michigan State locks into the 1 seed after last night.
ESPN Bracketology updated by Joe Lunardi on Monday November 13th before the Marquette Illinois Game. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Wright State in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Memphis and 10 Seed Northwestern. In the Midwest Detroit Region
Did lunardi downgrade UW from a 3 to a 4 after last night
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 15, 2023, 04:49:42 PM
Did lunardi downgrade UW from a 3 to a 4 after last night
Hopefully he keeps them as a protected seed.
ESPN Bracketology updated by Joe Lunardi on Monday November 20th before the Marquette UCLA and Marquette Kansas Games. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Eastern Kentucky in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Arkansas and 10 Seed Ohio State. In the Midwest Detroit Region
Lunardi has Marquette, Purdue, UConn and Arizona as 1 seeds in the latest iteration.
Luke decock needs to explain why he has mu at 8 lol.
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions
QuoteIt's not easy to lose the Maui Invitational championship game and still rise to a No. 1 seed, but that is Marquette's story after battling the nation's then-No. 1 and No. 2 teams to a virtual draw in Honolulu. The Golden Eagles join Big East partner and defending NCAA champion UConn as newcomers on the top line of this week's bracket, bumping Kansas and Tennessee in the process.
This right here is gonna keep us a nice seed for a good while.
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on November 28, 2023, 11:07:17 AM
This right here is gonna keep us a nice seed for a good while.
100%. And we're going to collect two more Q1 wins in the next 8 days.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on November 28, 2023, 10:15:42 AM
Lunardi has Marquette, Purdue, UConn and Arizona as 1 seeds in the latest iteration.
Bracketology: Shaka Smart built
Marquette from the ground up to a No.
1
The Golden Eagles join Big East partner and defending NCAA champion UConn as newcomers on the top line of this week's bracket, bumping Kansas and Tennessee in the process
Quote from: Oldgym on November 28, 2023, 10:20:39 AM
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions
Thanks for posting did not see this
Yup, makes sense, what else are ya gonna do, we got 3 Q1A wins, no one who didnt go to maui can touch our resume right now.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on November 28, 2023, 03:53:54 PM
Bracketology: Shaka Smart built
Marquette from the ground up to a No.
1
The Golden Eagles join Big East partner and defending NCAA champion UConn as newcomers on the top line of this week's bracket, bumping Kansas and Tennessee in the process
From the ground up is quite the quote and/or indictment of Wojo
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 28, 2023, 06:27:52 PM
From the ground up is quite the quote and/or indictment of Wojo
Someone at ESPN forgot to clear that statement through Jay Bilas and Dick Vital. Heads will roll!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 28, 2023, 07:36:42 PM
Someone at ESPN forgot to clear that statement through Jay Bilas and Dick Vital. Heads will roll!
No they won't
On Tuesday ESPN Joe Lunardi had Marquette as a #2 Seed playing #15 Seed Youngstown State. With the winner playing the winner of #7 Seed Oklahoma and #10 Seed Colorado in Indianapolis.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 07, 2023, 02:40:09 PM
On Tuesday ESPN Joe Lunardi had Marquette as a #2 Seed playing #15 Seed Youngstown State. With the winner playing the winner of #7 Seed Oklahoma and #10 Seed Colorado in Indianapolis.
Jack Nicholson head nod gif
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2023, 03:06:55 PM
Jack Nicholson head nod gif
If you look past the first round toward a possible matchup with Oklamoser, you will doom us to lose to Youngstown State, just like last year.
ESPN Bracketology updated by Joe Lunardi Today. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Longwood in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Northwestern and 10 Seed South Carolina. In the South Dallas Region
I wouldn't take the deal. I think the BE gets two 1 seeds this year and Creighton and UConn can battle it out for the second
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 12, 2023, 05:04:41 PM
ESPN Bracketology updated by Joe Lunardi Today. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Longwood in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Northwestern and 10 Seed South Carolina. In the South Dallas Region
Shoot, possible Big Ten matchup in round two.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 12, 2023, 05:04:41 PM
ESPN Bracketology updated by Joe Lunardi Today. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Longwood in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Northwestern and 10 Seed South Carolina. In the South Dallas Region
Longwood would be hard
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 12, 2023, 05:04:41 PM
ESPN Bracketology updated by Joe Lunardi Today. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Longwood in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Northwestern and 10 Seed South Carolina. In the South Dallas Region
I saw that he has Indiana as an automatic qualifier from the Big10?? B10 tourney in Bloomington?
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 12, 2023, 06:26:20 PM
Longwood would be hard
Does Austin Grandstaff have any eligibility left?
I don't see us back in the top 4 (ie 1 seed) until maybe Nova #1 on 1/15. That would make us about 15-2 with a Providence and Creighton win. But only if we win win win and a few of the guys in front of us decide to lose. Anyway I predict 1/16 were on a 1 line.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 12, 2023, 07:56:06 PM
Does Austin Grandstaff have any eligibility left?
Hard to know
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 12, 2023, 07:22:38 PM
I saw that he has Indiana as an automatic qualifier from the Big10?? B10 tourney in Bloomington?
2024 Big Ten Men's Basketball Tournament. Target Center in Minneapolis will host the 2024 Big Ten Men's Basketball Tournament.
Bunch of stiffs offended by your premature speculation
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 12, 2023, 07:56:06 PM
Does Austin Grandstaff have any eligibility left?
With Vermont State Johnson?
Some places have state birds or state trees. Not Vermont.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 12, 2023, 06:26:20 PM
Longwood would be hard
Sounds like a Boogie nights character: Dirk Diggler....Lance Longwood
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 12, 2023, 07:22:38 PM
I saw that he has Indiana as an automatic qualifier from the Big10?? B10 tourney in Bloomington?
Minneapolis, but I believe Indiana is in as automatic qualifier since they currently lead the Big 10 conference with a 2-0 record.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 14, 2023, 11:53:43 PM
Minneapolis, but I believe Indiana is in as automatic qualifier since they currently lead the Big 10 conference with a 2-0 record.
That makes sense. I was joking about the tournament being in Bloomington, but I thought is strange he was going out on a bizarre limb to pick IU as the AQ.
Looking at the Brackets on ESPN. Why would they put Tenn. (3), Kansas (1) and Marquette (2) in the same region? Playing the Maui classic all over again.
I know its early, but would the NCAA committee do this?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 16, 2023, 05:49:54 PM
Looking at the Brackets on ESPN. Why would they put Tenn. (3), Kansas (1) and Marquette (2) in the same region? Playing the Maui classic all over again.
I know its early, but would the NCAA committee do this?
I wouldn't think about it. At all.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 16, 2023, 05:49:54 PM
Looking at the Brackets on ESPN. Why would they put Tenn. (3), Kansas (1) and Marquette (2) in the same region? Playing the Maui classic all over again.
I know its early, but would the NCAA committee do this?
Committee hates MU
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 16, 2023, 05:49:54 PM
Looking at the Brackets on ESPN. Why would they put Tenn. (3), Kansas (1) and Marquette (2) in the same region? Playing the Maui classic all over again.
I know its early, but would the NCAA committee do this?
I look at it too, but it's as relevant as 'power rankings'. (click bait)
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 16, 2023, 06:15:02 PM
Committee hates MU
yes. So they'll match us against Wisconsin. Shaka can't beat the BIG.
Lunardi does those brackets...
He's not the brightest
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 16, 2023, 05:49:54 PM
Looking at the Brackets on ESPN. Why would they put Tenn. (3), Kansas (1) and Marquette (2) in the same region? Playing the Maui classic all over again.
I know its early, but would the NCAA committee do this?
To be the best, you have to beat the best. Who cares? We will win either way!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 16, 2023, 05:49:54 PM
Looking at the Brackets on ESPN. Why would they put Tenn. (3), Kansas (1) and Marquette (2) in the same region? Playing the Maui classic all over again.
I know its early, but would the NCAA committee do this?
Sure they would. In 2021, Gonzaga was the 1-seed in the West with 2-seed Iowa, 3-seed Kansas, and 4-seed Virginia, all of whom they played in the regular season. Sometimes the Committee does funny stuff Though they ended up playing 5-seed Creighton and 6-seed USC, so none of the rematches came to happen.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Today Tuesday December 19th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Morehead State in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Ohio State and 10 Seed Mississippi State In the Midwest Detroit Region
Gonna be a hostile crowd. Everyone is a big fan of MU's opponent.
Quote from: tower912 on December 19, 2023, 10:42:46 AM
Gonna be a hostile crowd. Everyone is a big fan of MU's opponent.
Well...roughly half, anyway.
Was checking some schedules of our opponents just to see what their outlooks may look like...that Illinois win is going to age like fine wine. Hoping Texas can bump up as well.
That game at UW-Madison would have been fantastic to steal. Looking at their schedule I don't see a loss until late January or Febuary. They are going to end up a top 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament, the Big Ten stinks.
Kansas continuing on with only the 1 loss to Marquette looks beautiful too!
Still have the inside track for a 2 seed again!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 23, 2023, 10:48:11 AM
Was checking some schedules of our opponents just to see what their outlooks may look like...that Illinois win is going to age like fine wine. Hoping Texas can bump up as well.
That game at UW-Madison would have been fantastic to steal. Looking at their schedule I don't see a loss until late January or Febuary. They are going to end up a top 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament, the Big Ten stinks.
Kansas continuing on with only the 1 loss to Marquette looks beautiful too!
Still have the inside track for a 2 seed again!
Lol on Madison. They're fine. They're not a 2 seed.
I'll take the over 0.5 losses by the end of January and the over 2.5 seed for them, with plenty of room to spare.
wades
That would be a very sound bet.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 23, 2023, 10:48:11 AM
Was checking some schedules of our opponents just to see what their outlooks may look like...that Illinois win is going to age like fine wine. Hoping Texas can bump up as well.
That game at UW-Madison would have been fantastic to steal. Looking at their schedule I don't see a loss until late January or Febuary. They are going to end up a top 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament, the Big Ten stinks.
Kansas continuing on with only the 1 loss to Marquette looks beautiful too!
Still have the inside track for a 2 seed again!
You do love your Bucky.
I'm higher on this UW team than most yeah, a 2 seed is not happening.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 23, 2023, 10:48:11 AM
Was checking some schedules of our opponents just to see what their outlooks may look like...that Illinois win is going to age like fine wine. Hoping Texas can bump up as well.
That game at UW-Madison would have been fantastic to steal. Looking at their schedule I don't see a loss until late January or Febuary. They are going to end up a top 2 seed in the NCAA Tournament, the Big Ten stinks.
Even with an 11 pt victory over MU, Wisconsin's +\- against top 20 teams is still -24 in 3 games. They got comfortably manhandled by Tennessee the entire game and then got absolutely ROCKED by Zona.
They are gonna be road dogs at OSU, Northwestern will have the best player in the floor, and at Minnesota will be a toss up.
There is a much better chance Wisconsin isn't a top 5 seed than they are a top 2 seed. It sucks that Marquette came out entirely flat and blew that game but even in a bad Big10, I'll be STUNNED if Wisconsin is any better than 14-6 and will finish behind Purdue, Illinois, and most likely Maryland. MSU has far more talent than them too if they figure it out and build off of that Baylor beat down
Quote from: JWags85 on December 23, 2023, 10:42:38 PM
Even with an 11 pt victory over MU, Wisconsin's +\- against top 20 teams is still -24 in 3 games. They got comfortably manhandled by Tennessee the entire game and then got absolutely ROCKED by Zona.
They are gonna be road dogs at OSU, Northwestern will have the best player in the floor, and at Minnesota will be a toss up.
There is a much better chance Wisconsin isn't a top 5 seed than they are a top 2 seed. It sucks that Marquette came out entirely flat and blew that game but even in a bad Big10, I'll be STUNNED if Wisconsin is any better than 14-6 and will finish behind Purdue, Illinois, and most likely Maryland. MSU has far more talent than them too if they figure it out and build off of that Baylor beat down
You were rolling along until this.
Maryland as top 4 in BIG?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!/!?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 23, 2023, 10:49:05 PM
You were rolling along until this.
Maryland as top 4 in BIG?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!/!?
Forget it, he's rolling.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday December 26th by Joe Lunardi before the Creighton game. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Weber State in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Gonzaga and 10 Seed Florida In the West Los Angeles Region
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday January 2nd by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Colgate in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Utah and 10 Seed Northwestern In the Midwest Detroit Region
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on January 03, 2024, 04:06:16 PM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday January 2nd by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Colgate in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Utah and 10 Seed Northwestern In the Midwest Detroit Region
Hope they don't get Northwestern
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday January 9th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 3 Seed playing 14 Seed High Point in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of 6 Seed FAU and 11 Seed Northwestern/Mississippi State In the Midwest Detroit Region
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 03, 2024, 04:11:30 PM
Hope they don't get Northwestern
shaka can't beat the BIG
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday January 12th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 4 Seed playing 13 Seed Samford in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of 5 Seed Oklahoma and 12 Seed McNeese State In the Midwest Detroit Region
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday January 16th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 4 Seed playing 13 Seed UC Irvine in Spokane. With the winner playing the winner of 5 Seed Oklahoma and 12 Seed Saint Mary's In the Midwest Detroit Region
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday January 19th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 4 Seed playing 13 Seed UC Drexel in Brooklyn. With the winner playing the winner of 5 Seed Oklahoma and 12 Seed Mc Neese St In the Midwest Detroit Region
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on January 19, 2024, 11:25:00 PM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday January 19th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 4 Seed playing 13 Seed UC Drexel in Brooklyn. With the winner playing the winner of 5 Seed Oklahoma and 12 Seed Mc Neese St In the Midwest Detroit Region
imo 5 teams from the BE make the tourney. UConn is a lock. But even if 6 do, 2-6 will be a dogfight. MU, Nova, Prov, SH, StJ, CU, maybe X too. A win over StJ today will be huge!! for many reasons...road win, maintain momentum after the win over Nova. The consensus on Scoop is MU has two nba players in the starting 5, so making the tourney should be doable. But I still feel this season is going the way of UNC last season. (player over projection, injuries, too many in-game poor coaching decisions to overcome). The Kansas win was money, but wins over UCLA, TX and ND are not earning interest.
Quote from: Viper on January 20, 2024, 08:04:23 AM
imo 5 teams from the BE make the tourney. UConn is a lock. But even if 6 do, 2-6 will be a dogfight. MU, Nova, Prov, SH, StJ, CU, maybe X too. A win over StJ today will be huge!! for many reasons...road win, maintain momentum after the win over Nova. The consensus on Scoop is MU has two nba players in the starting 5, so making the tourney should be doable. But I still feel this season is going the way of UNC last season. (player over projection, injuries, too many in-game poor coaching decisions to overcome). The Kansas win was money, but wins over UCLA, TX and ND are not earning interest.
After the couple of loses to the likes of seton hall and butler my mindset switched to Kentucky from 2014. They were top 3 coming into the season and may have even been number 1. They finished the regular season with 10 losses despite being favored to win the championship in the preseason. Getting the 8 seed in the tournament they ended up running through the tournament until they lost to UConn in the championship.
The point of my story is that imo, the big east championship is probably out the window right now at least for the regular season. Even if we get a 6 seed in the big dance I promise you no one is going to be happy with their draw. In fact when great teams underperform and get a lower seed in the tournament it just ends up screwing the teams that actually received good seeds. While I'm completely turned off on the regular season at this point, I have no doubt that come tournament time we will be ready to make at minimum the elite 8
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 20, 2024, 09:09:30 AM
After the couple of loses to the likes of seton hall and butler my mindset switched to Kentucky from 2014. They were top 3 coming into the season and may have even been number 1. They finished the regular season with 10 losses despite being favored to win the championship in the preseason. Getting the 8 seed in the tournament they ended up running through the tournament until they lost to UConn in the championship.
The point of my story is that imo, the big east championship is probably out the window right now at least for the regular season. Even if we get a 6 seed in the big dance I promise you no one is going to be happy with their draw. In fact when great teams underperform and get a lower seed in the tournament it just ends up screwing the teams that actually received good seeds. While I'm completely turned off on the regular season at this point, I have no doubt that come tournament time we will be ready to make at minimum the elite 8
E8 would be incredible. Hoping you are prophetic.
I get we've struggled a bit but a 4 seed?
Are there really 12 to 15 teams that have a better resume than us?
Not worth worrying about. We've gotten a ton of national respect the last year-plus, including a 2 seed in the '23 NCAAT and high rankings all this season.
Just win all the games we'll be favored to win and we'll be fine; pull an upset of UConn and/or at Creighton, and we'll be better than fine.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 22, 2024, 12:53:20 PM
I get we've struggled a bit but a 4 seed?
Are there really 12 to 15 teams that have a better resume than us?
Doubtful. Right now we're the top 4 on bracketmatrix. The 3's are Baylor, Duke, Auburn and Kentucky. Auburn doesn't have a Q1 win and their metrics are good based off blow outs in their 11 Q3+Q4 games. Baylor doesn't have the Q2 loss that we do, but are one short of our Q1A and Q1 win totals (I could maybe buy them because on paper their Q1A wins are better than ours, but I still expect BYU to fall, potentially out of Q1A range). Kentucky has fewer Q1 wins and a Q3 loss compared to our Q2. And Duke has fewer Q1 wins plus 3 Q2 losses to our 1. As brackets get updated post Duke loss to Pitt, Baylor loss to Texas, and MU win @ StJ, we should decisively be a 3. If App St can drop 2 spots to move one of Auburns Q1 losses to Q2, that would help as well.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 22, 2024, 12:53:20 PM
I get we've struggled a bit but a 4 seed?
Are there really 12 to 15 teams that have a better resume than us?
Top of the line resume, no. Our @ Illinois win is one of the best wins on the season by any team, resume wise.
But we have 5 losses already, which is something only one other top 25 team (Creighton) can claim right now.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 22, 2024, 01:52:45 PM
Top of the line resume, no. Our @ Illinois win is one of the best wins on the season by any team, resume wise.
But we have 5 losses already, which is something only one other top 25 team (Creighton) can claim right now.
The Q1 losses don't make that much of an impact (although the margin in the PC game does not exactly help). It's the Butler loss that is dragging us down right now. We really want them to stay Q2.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday January 24th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 3 Seed playing 14 Seed Morehead St in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of 6 Seed Colorado St and 11 Seed Kansas St/ Ole Miss Winner In the South Dallas Region
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 22, 2024, 01:56:30 PM
The Q1 losses don't make that much of an impact (although the margin in the PC game does not exactly help). It's the Butler loss that is dragging us down right now. We really want them to stay Q2.
Ehhh. 3 seed. 2 seed. 5 seed. Its all basically the same and match up based. Of course I'd prefer the higher seed as opposed to the lower for the easier first round game, but being a 2 seed last year didn't do us any favors past that.
If Butler ends up a Q3 loss, the boys will be alright.
Beat Morehead State
Pray Ole Miss pulls two outta their ass.
Sweet 16.
To be fair I like our odds vs the other 2 as well. But Ole Miss would be a dream(assuming they even make it).
Kolek vs Stevens would be one of those fun hypotheticals.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 23, 2024, 03:25:13 PM
Ehhh. 3 seed. 2 seed. 5 seed. Its all basically the same and match up based. Of course I'd prefer the higher seed as opposed to the lower for the easier first round game, but being a 2 seed last year didn't do us any favors past that.
If Butler ends up a Q3 loss, the boys will be alright.
I think 5 is vastly different than the 4 options above it. There's pretty much a guaranteed 5/upset every year. A couple years back didn't 3/4 5s lose in the first round?
I seem to remember that the 1st round 5/12 games are historically 50/50 either way.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on January 23, 2024, 03:55:47 PM
I seem to remember that the 1st round 5/12 games are historically 50/50 either way.
Nope. 5 seeds win about 65% of the time.
https://www.boydsbets.com/bracket-tips-by-seed/
Outside of the 8/9 match-up, this shows that the committee in general does a good job with seeding.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on January 23, 2024, 03:55:47 PM
I seem to remember that the 1st round 5/12 games are historically 50/50 either way.
It's actually not that high, about 2/3 of the time the 5 wins (67.4%).
This link usually stays updated and shows all the seed vs seed results historically: https://mcubed.net/ncaab/seeds.shtml
Meh..people thought Vermont would beat us.
Truth is we all know the best way to slow us down.
There is the chance we run into a high major 12 with size and D to limit us at the rim. But thats a small chance and even then the team wouldnt be that skilled.
Far greater chance that assuming we get a top 5 seed. That our first round opponent is one that will have no chance to stop the Nova style lay up line we generate.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2024, 04:09:00 PM
Meh..people thought Vermont would beat us.
Truth is we all know the best way to slow us down.
There is the chance we run into a high major 12 with size and D to limit us at the rim. But thats a small chance and even then the team wouldnt be that skilled.
Far greater chance that assuming we get a top 5 seed. That our first round opponent is one that will have no chance to stop the Nova style lay up line we generate.
2 beats a 7 about 70% of the time. Yikes
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 23, 2024, 03:54:34 PM
I think 5 is vastly different than the 4 options above it.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2024, 03:58:46 PM
https://www.boydsbets.com/bracket-tips-by-seed/
Based on the link provided by Sultan, the 5 is a pretty significant drop off.
1 - 99.3
2 - 93.2 <-6.1>
3 - 85.1 <-8.1>
4 - 79.1 <-6.0>
5 - 64.2 <-14.9>
6 - 61.5 <-2.7>
7 - 60.8 <-0.7>
8 - 48.6 <-12.2>
9 - 51.4 <+2.8>
It's the largest percentage decrease that you see from a drop of a single seed line.
Any team we get just go medieval and show them to darkness, simple
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday January 26th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 3 Seed playing 14 Seed High Point in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of 6 Seed Colorado St and 11 Seed Princeton In the South Dallas Region
Mike 77 ... I would take that ^ draw..
But would much rather be in Indy
Quote from: Mu8891 on January 26, 2024, 04:49:22 PM
Mike 77 ... I would take that ^ draw..
But would much rather be in Indy
indy will be reserved for the Big Ten champion Wisconsin Badgers.
Omaha works for me too.
Memphis Omaha Indy are all doable, heck even Pittsburgh wouldn't be horrible. I want us to get set up so we're in Detroit the second weekend.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 26, 2024, 06:24:34 PM
Memphis Omaha Indy are all doable, heck even Pittsburgh wouldn't be horrible. I want us to get set up so we're in Detroit the second weekend.
Hope it's not at ford field again. One of the absolute worst viewing experiences I have ever had. Went there in 2008 to see Davidson and had lower level tickets and couldn't even hear the ball bounce.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 26, 2024, 06:36:03 PM
Hope it's not at ford field again. One of the absolute worst viewing experiences I have ever had. Went there in 2008 to see Davidson and had lower level tickets and couldn't even hear the ball bounce.
I bet you could hear the Davidson fans when they lost what they thought they just won. :D
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 26, 2024, 06:50:42 PM
I bet you could hear the Davidson fans when they lost what they thought they just won. :D
He was able to hear Davidson fans 5yrs in the future? He said 08, the MU game was 13
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 26, 2024, 07:00:46 PM
He was able to hear Davidson fans 5yrs in the future? He said 08, the MU game was 13
Ok, OK, So I was off a little in my timing.
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on January 26, 2024, 05:56:57 PM
Omaha works for me too.
I hear it's somewhere in middle America.
Just get to the heart of the matter.
Pittsburgh would be ideal for me.
While Madison is a lock to win the national title, I just hope we make the tourney.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 26, 2024, 06:24:34 PM
Memphis Omaha Indy are all doable, heck even Pittsburgh wouldn't be horrible. I want us to get set up so we're in Detroit the second weekend.
That virtually locks us into Purdue's region. What I find interesting about that is no matter what I do, it ends up being a Maui repeat. I end up with three of Purdue, Tennessee, Marquette, and Kansas landing there. Yesterday, I finally thought I'd have Dayton in there, but Kansas couldn't go to the same region as Houston which sent them to Detroit. The final four Maui teams just feel linked.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 27, 2024, 07:22:15 AM
That virtually locks us into Purdue's region. What I find interesting about that is no matter what I do, it ends up being a Maui repeat. I end up with three of Purdue, Tennessee, Marquette, and Kansas landing there. Yesterday, I finally thought I'd have Dayton in there, but Kansas couldn't go to the same region as Houston which sent them to Detroit. The final four Maui teams just feel linked.
Incredible tournament. Still am shocked UCLA hasn't put their pieces together.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 27, 2024, 07:23:57 AM
Incredible tournament. Still am shocked UCLA hasn't put their pieces together.
It's really a case of diametric opposites. The four teams that won the first round are all trending toward the top 2 seed lines, the teams that lost are all looking like they'll need to win autobids to get in. Not only that, but Syracuse is the one that is probably closest of the teams on the outside from that tournament. I didn't have Gonzaga and UCLA out of the field on my preseason bingo card, that's for sure.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 27, 2024, 07:22:15 AM
That virtually locks us into Purdue's region.
If we have to face Purdue in a showdown to get to the Final Four, I'll happily live with that.
1. It means we've already had 3 tourney wins, the last 2 likely against outstanding teams. I'll definitely want more, but really everything else is gravy.
2. We absolutely can beat Purdue. Played like crud against them for an entire half,
and they got a 75-foot buzzer beater,
and Oso was in foul trouble ... and we still made it a 1-possession game.
3. Purdue could go out before we'd meet them. If their guards have poor shooting games, which happens to all teams - and has happened to them - they could lose to anyone. As we saw last year, that means absolutely anyone!
So whatevs. Bring 'em on.
I wouldn't love being in a region with Purdue, Tennessee, and/or Purdue.
Painter and Barnes sort of feel like they are due, with their teams constantly good of late and just knocking on the door for ultimate March madness success.
That's also the #1 KenPom offense (and #11D) in Purdue and #2 Defense (top 20 O) in Tennessee.
Marquette can hang with and beat anyone, sure, but I'd rather not have to get through BOTH Tennessee and Purdue/Kansas (Maui revenge factor) to get to the FF.
I really prefer Detroit for travel/proximity purposes and I have a MUbb fan buddy that lives there so I'd get to go to the games, but I don't love that draw.
Makes me wonder if it would be best that Marquette doesn't get that site if Purdue and Tennessee end up locked there because of proximity
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 27, 2024, 07:22:15 AM
That virtually locks us into Purdue's region. What I find interesting about that is no matter what I do, it ends up being a Maui repeat. I end up with three of Purdue, Tennessee, Marquette, and Kansas landing there. Yesterday, I finally thought I'd have Dayton in there, but Kansas couldn't go to the same region as Houston which sent them to Detroit. The final four Maui teams just feel linked.
I don't believe opening rounds sites have any correlation to regional sites. Even if Purdue doesn't get the overall 1 seed. Uconn would get Boston. Houston/Kansas would get Dallas. Purdue would get Detroit. Someone is going to get sent out to California from the east coast for the final #1 seed.
I also believe regional sites are based on the s curve as well meaning if Marquette is 7 and Tennessee is 8 Marquette would get Detroit and tennesse would get california.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 27, 2024, 08:57:57 AM
I don't believe opening rounds sites have any correlation to regional sites. Even if Purdue doesn't get the overall 1 seed. Uconn would get Boston. Houston/Kansas would get Dallas. Purdue would get Detroit. Someone is going to get sent out to California from the east coast for the final #1 seed.
I also believe regional sites are based on the s curve as well meaning if Marquette is 7 and Tennessee is 8 Marquette would get Detroit and tennesse would get california.
The committee didn't adhere to the S-Curve like they said they would last year, and I'm guessing one of MU/KU/Tennessee ends up on the 3 line. In terms of proximity, all of them would likely have Detroit as their closest destination if Houston is the 1-seed in Dallas.
Detroit is the closest regional site for Purdue, Marquette, and Tennessee.
Detroit is the 2nd closest site for Kansas, but if Houston stays on the 1 seed line they will get Dallas and Kansas gets bumped elsewhere.
Purdue, Marquette, Kansas, and Tennessee are all competing for 1-3 seeds. It's really a perfect storm that the Midwest Regional could have a 1, 2, and 3 seed that all played in Maui.
But no matter which bracket Marquette lands in, there are trade offs. Marquette could end up out West and face Arizona, or face Houston in the South.
At this point, I'm just worried about Marquette playing well and letting the chips fall where they may.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 27, 2024, 09:34:54 AM
The committee didn't adhere to the S-Curve like they said they would last year, and I'm guessing one of MU/KU/Tennessee ends up on the 3 line. In terms of proximity, all of them would likely have Detroit as their closest destination if Houston is the 1-seed in Dallas.
There is a path for all of them to finish top 8 on the S-Curve, especially if Arizona keeps sliding.
Lots of season left to play.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 27, 2024, 09:41:17 AM
There is a path for all of them to finish top 8 on the S-Curve, especially if Arizona keeps sliding.
Lots of season left to play.
There definitely is. The dividing line between 9/10 seems massive and Arizona could very well end up 9 at this rate.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 27, 2024, 09:58:31 AM
There definitely is. The dividing line between 9/10 seems massive and Arizona could very well end up 9 at this rate.
I agree about there being a big gap between 9 and 10. The gap from 10 to 20 feels about the same as the gap from 9 to 10.
Marquette is #8 in Joe Lunardi's S Curve Tonight and a 2 Seed
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 27, 2024, 09:38:38 AM
At this point, I'm just worried about Marquette playing well and letting the chips fall where they may.
Yep. It's all moot if we don't beat all the teams we should and win the pick'em games (like tonight's). I'm feeling good about it, though, especially if we can keep scrapping out wins for another week or two until our walking wounded are in full gear. It also sure would be nice to get at least 1 of UConn/@UConn/@Creighton; 2 would be incredible.
We've been getting a ton of national respect the last year-plus. If we take care of business, I'm confident we'll like where the chips fall.
I think UConn looks like the best team to me. But this is a case where I think familiarity is going to help. We are going to play them two or three times before the tournament, and I think that generally helps the weaker of the two teams.
Question for everyone. Would you rather be...
- 2-seed in the Midwest with Purdue as the 1, or...
- 1-seed in the West with Arizona as the 2
Those feel most likely if we land on those seed lines because of the seeding rules for the teams on the top two lines. Do we want to be closer to home with a more familiar but presumably better opponent, or further away with a less familiar but also presumably lower quality opponent?
Worth noting, it would be our first 1-seed. Also, the West plays into the East (Likely UConn as the 1) while the Midwest plays into the South (Likely Houston).
Purdue would have to get past that pesky 16 seed to face us.
2 seed Midwest. Two years in a row we've played them down to the wire and this past year they were unbelievably lucky they hit that half court shot and cam missed the tying shot. Would love to see our guys get a crack at them.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 30, 2024, 09:07:00 AM
Question for everyone. Would you rather be...
- 2-seed in the Midwest with Purdue as the 1, or...
- 1-seed in the West with Arizona as the 2
Those feel most likely if we land on those seed lines because of the seeding rules for the teams on the top two lines. Do we want to be closer to home with a more familiar but presumably better opponent, or further away with a less familiar but also presumably lower quality opponent?
Worth noting, it would be our first 1-seed. Also, the West plays into the East (Likely UConn as the 1) while the Midwest plays into the South (Likely Houston).
That one is easy for me.
1 seed out West.
That would mean that Marquette has won or split a BE regular season title with UConn and/or won the BET.
It would also mean further travel for supporters, but an easier road to travel for a Final Four. Give me the easier road all day any day in a season like this and the travel becomes secondary imo.
That said, 1 seed seems like a tall tale with very little room for error. Win today, win the next 4, and head to UConn at 19-5, 10-2 and then I'll start buying into its merits.
It's not that I'm not bullish about this years team, it just seems tough to go 9-2 over the next 11 to make it a possibility. Wilder things have happened though, so I'm here for it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 30, 2024, 09:07:00 AM
Question for everyone. Would you rather be...
- 2-seed in the Midwest with Purdue as the 1, or...
- 1-seed in the West with Arizona as the 2
Those feel most likely if we land on those seed lines because of the seeding rules for the teams on the top two lines. Do we want to be closer to home with a more familiar but presumably better opponent, or further away with a less familiar but also presumably lower quality opponent?
Worth noting, it would be our first 1-seed. Also, the West plays into the East (Likely UConn as the 1) while the Midwest plays into the South (Likely Houston).
I'd take either obviously since it meant we were in the E8 if we had to worry about those teams, but I'd slightly prefer the bracket with Arizona as I think there'd be a better chance we wouldn't have to face them anyway. It's a toss up though for me with regards to a matchup with Purdue or Arizona. I don't think location makes a difference, though I'd likely attend the game if in the Midwest, so that'd be cool.
Having our first two rounds in Indy and next two in Detroit certainly would be great, as it would bring lots of Marquette fans to our games. On the other hand, being a 1 seed would be awesome, and it will have meant some extraordinary things will have been accomplished over the next 6-7 weeks.
But if those are my only two options, I think I'm talking myself into the Midwest scenario. The NCAAT just matters more to me in 2024 than winning another Big East title ... though I know that if we're in serious contention for that I'll be rooting like crazy for it in the moment.
Bottom line, though: Either would be fine because I think we'd have a great chance to emerge victorious in either.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 30, 2024, 09:09:27 AM
Purdue would have to get past that pesky 16 seed to face us.
Didn't need to be in teal.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 30, 2024, 09:07:00 AM
Question for everyone. Would you rather be...
- 2-seed in the Midwest with Purdue as the 1, or...
- 1-seed in the West with Arizona as the 2
Those feel most likely if we land on those seed lines because of the seeding rules for the teams on the top two lines. Do we want to be closer to home with a more familiar but presumably better opponent, or further away with a less familiar but also presumably lower quality opponent?
Worth noting, it would be our first 1-seed. Also, the West plays into the East (Likely UConn as the 1) while the Midwest plays into the South (Likely Houston).
no hesitation...#1
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 30, 2024, 09:11:40 AM
2 seed Midwest. Two years in a row we've played them down to the wire and this past year they were unbelievably lucky they hit that half court shot and cam missed the tying shot. Would love to see our guys get a crack at them.
Plus they'd likely lose before the E8.
We only get a 1 if we only lose 1 more. We were the top rated 4 loss team and now the top 5 loss... So we get respect but I can't see us at 7 losses even if it is UConnx2, Purdue, UW and those other three guys.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 30, 2024, 06:26:51 PM
We only get a 1 if we only lose 1 more. We were the top rated 4 loss team and now the top 5 loss... So we get respect but I can't see us at 7 losses even if it is UConnx2, Purdue, UW and those other three guys.
Everyone is losing games. There will almost certainly be a 7 loss 1 seed.
Not sure I agree. Not looking it up but I do not recall a lot of 7 loss teams as 1 seeds?
Kansas lost 7 last year. Not sure before that.
Interestingly, the last time before that was a 7 loss Kansas team in 2018. I don't think 7 losses is going to get Marquette a 1 this year. 6 could do it though.
Quote from: The Thing on January 30, 2024, 11:36:14 PM
Interestingly, the last time before that was a 7 loss Kansas team in 2018. I don't think 7 losses is going to get Marquette a 1 this year. 6 could do it though.
I am willing to be any sum of money we end up with a 1 seed if we only lose 1 more game.
Sh it that almost guarantees we beat Uconn twice. At minimum 4 more Q1 wins. Probably 6 when factor in logical Garden opponents.
Quote from: The Thing on January 30, 2024, 11:36:14 PM
Interestingly, the last time before that was a 7 loss Kansas team in 2018. I don't think 7 losses is going to get Marquette a 1 this year. 6 could do it though.
Could be Kansas again with 7 losses.
7 of their 10 remaining games are against top 25 teams.
Currently have 4 losses.
8-2 in the next 10 and a loss in the conf tourney gets them at 7 losses and probably a 1 seed.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 30, 2024, 11:54:57 PM
Could be Kansas again with 7 losses.
7 of their 10 remaining games are against top 25 teams.
Currently have 4 losses.
8-2 in the next 10 and a loss in the conf tourney gets them at 7 losses and probably a 1 seed.
If Houston wins at Kansas they would be in pretty good position for a #1 seed. There are some massive games this weekend. Wisky losing to both Nebraska and Purdue would be nice. Imo Duke and UNC shouldn't even be in the discussion for a #1 seed. Lots can change with 10 more games and the BEast tournament but again, Wisky getting punked twice would definitely be helpful.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday January 30th before the Marquette Villanova game by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Quinnipiac in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Northwestern and 10 Seed Texas A&M In the Midwest Detroit Region
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on January 31, 2024, 01:51:44 AM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday January 30th before the Marquette Villanova game by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Quinnipiac in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Northwestern and 10 Seed Texas A&M In the Midwest Detroit Region
So maybe a chance to mess with Buzz's happy? Love it!
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 30, 2024, 09:07:00 AM
Question for everyone. Would you rather be...
- 2-seed in the Midwest with Purdue as the 1, or...
- 1-seed in the West with Arizona as the 2
Those feel most likely if we land on those seed lines because of the seeding rules for the teams on the top two lines. Do we want to be closer to home with a more familiar but presumably better opponent, or further away with a less familiar but also presumably lower quality opponent?
Worth noting, it would be our first 1-seed. Also, the West plays into the East (Likely UConn as the 1) while the Midwest plays into the South (Likely Houston).
For obvious reasons, being in the Midwest is advantageous. But we were in Columbus last year, relatively close and wound up playing MSU who is even closer, thus negating any perceived advantage we might have.
I choose whichever option that lets us play all of our NCAA tourney games at The Al.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on January 31, 2024, 08:36:23 AM
For obvious reasons, being in the Midwest is advantageous. But we were in Columbus last year, relatively close and wound up playing MSU who is even closer, thus negating any perceived advantage we might have.
MSU who is closer and has a much, much bigger student population and alumni base.
It's why Omaha is probably the best location for us. Of course I say that and we'll wind up with Nebraska as our second round opponent.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 31, 2024, 10:19:57 AM
MSU who is closer and has a much, much bigger student population and alumni base.
It's why Omaha is probably the best location for us. Of course I say that and we'll wind up with Nebraska as our second round opponent.
Yeah this actually does make a lot of sense to me. Plus any casual basketball fans in the area are likely to be Creighton first and likely skew Marquettes way.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2024, 10:36:48 AM
Yeah this actually does make a lot of sense to me. Plus any casual basketball fans in the area are likely to be Creighton first and likely skew Marquettes way.
I agree with this. CU fans will cheer for any BE team outside of BE conference play except Xavier from my experience.
How far does Tenn fall after last night? Their big thing was no losses outside Q1, and they don't have that anymore. They're 3-4 Q1, we're 5-4. They have more Q2 wins than us (5 to 3), but importantly we each have 1 loss. Common opponents, they won @ Madison when we lost, we each have a close loss on a neutral court to Purdue, they beat Illinois at home, we beat them on the road, they lost to Kansas on a neutral court, we beat them. I could see their slightly better computer number edging us if they only trailed us by 1 Q1 win, but we've got the edge by 2 Q1 wins now. I know we're biased here, but I would think we'd be ahead of both Tenn and Kansas on a S-Curve.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2024, 10:47:43 AM
How far does Tenn fall after last night? Their big thing was no losses outside Q1, and they don't have that anymore. They're 3-4 Q1, we're 5-4. They have more Q2 wins than us (5 to 3), but importantly we each have 1 loss. Common opponents, they won @ Madison when we lost, we each have a close loss on a neutral court to Purdue, they beat Illinois at home, we beat them on the road, they lost to Kansas on a neutral court, we beat them. I could see their slightly better computer number edging us if they only trailed us by 1 Q1 win, but we've got the edge by 2 Q1 wins now. I know we're biased here, but I would think we'd be ahead of both Tenn and Kansas on a S-Curve.
Tennessee still plays Kentucky twice, Auburn and South Carolina on the road. Marquette plays Uconn twice and Creighton so the schedules imo are pretty even. I would guess that Marquette will end up higher but its going to be very close.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2024, 10:47:43 AM
How far does Tenn fall after last night? Their big thing was no losses outside Q1, and they don't have that anymore. They're 3-4 Q1, we're 5-4. They have more Q2 wins than us (5 to 3), but importantly we each have 1 loss. Common opponents, they won @ Madison when we lost, we each have a close loss on a neutral court to Purdue, they beat Illinois at home, we beat them on the road, they lost to Kansas on a neutral court, we beat them. I could see their slightly better computer number edging us if they only trailed us by 1 Q1 win, but we've got the edge by 2 Q1 wins now. I know we're biased here, but I would think we'd be ahead of both Tenn and Kansas on a S-Curve.
Definitely still a 2. My general thoughts going into last night was that the four 1-seeds were clear, with UNC the most likely to fall off. Then there was a 5-team group of Tennessee, Arizona, Wisconsin, Marquette, and Kansas with UT being the closest to overtaking the 1-line and the others somewhat interchangeable.
I still think that group of 9 is solid, but while UNC is probably still the last 1, it's more a pool of 3 at the top and 6 teams that are very close after them. Depending on what happens this weekend, I could see quite a few teams having a claim at the last 1-seed come Monday, Marquette included.
I think a 1 seed is really out of the question specifically because of the Butler loss at home. If they were 17-4 right now they would be the final 1 seed imo. I really think the only scenario would be to win both games against UConn and either win or share the BIG EAST. I believe the tournament is irrelevant for the 1 seed.
I do believe it would take a meltdown for Houston, Purdue or Uconn to not get a 1 seed at this point. The only way Purdue doesn't is if they lose to Wisconsin 3 times over the next 6 weeks which I don't see happening. In this scenario the Badgers would move up to the 1 line.
Uconn would need to lose twice to Marquette and then a few more to get to the 6 loss marker. Neither of which I see happening.
Houston would need to lose both to Kansas and probably two more to get to 6 losses to get them off the 1 line.
I don't know how to rate Zona, they would be a 3 seed imo right now.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 31, 2024, 11:33:57 AM
Definitely still a 2. My general thoughts going into last night was that the four 1-seeds were clear, with UNC the most likely to fall off. Then there was a 5-team group of Tennessee, Arizona, Wisconsin, Marquette, and Kansas with UT being the closest to overtaking the 1-line and the others somewhat interchangeable.
I still think that group of 9 is solid, but while UNC is probably still the last 1, it's more a pool of 3 at the top and 6 teams that are very close after them. Depending on what happens this weekend, I could see quite a few teams having a claim at the last 1-seed come Monday, Marquette included.
I agree with most of this but differ on S-Curve placement. After scrubbing the top two lines this morning:
4. Arizona (5 Q1 wins/4 Q1A)
5. Wisconsin (6 Q1 wins/2Q1A)
6. Marquette (5 Q1 Wins/4 Q1A)
7. Kansas (5 Q1 Wins/3 Q1A)
8. UNC (4 Q1 Wins/2 Q1A)
9. Tennessee (3 Q1 Wins/3 Q1A)
The margin between 4 and 9 remains razor thin. This weekend's games will have a huge impact an the S-Curve. Monday, this order could be completely different.
Quote from: MUbiz on January 31, 2024, 10:38:40 AM
I agree with this. CU fans will cheer for any BE team outside of BE conference play except Xavier from my experience.
Why the X dislike?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 31, 2024, 02:49:59 PM
I agree with most of this but differ on S-Curve placement. After scrubbing the top two lines this morning:
4. Arizona (5 Q1 wins/4 Q1A)
5. Wisconsin (6 Q1 wins/2Q1A)
6. Marquette (5 Q1 Wins/4 Q1A)
7. Kansas (5 Q1 Wins/3 Q1A)
8. UNC (4 Q1 Wins/2 Q1A)
9. Tennessee (3 Q1 Wins/3 Q1A)
The margin between 4 and 9 remains razor thin. This weekend's games will have a huge impact an the S-Curve. Monday, this order could be completely different.
AZ is the only one that has multiple losses outside Q1. Disqualifies them from the 1 line (for now) for me.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2024, 03:07:47 PM
AZ is the only one that has multiple losses outside Q1. Disqualifies them from the 1 line (for now) for me.
It is so razor thin that head to head plays a minor role as my very last criteria.
Arizona beat Wisconsin, Wisconsin beat Marquette, Marquette beat Kansas, Kansas and UNC both beat Tennessee. Kansas has the edge over UNC due to a win against UConn, who UNC lost to.
While Tennessee does have a win at Wisconsin, losses to Purdue, Kansas, and UNC make it hard to justify them skipping them today.
But you can make a case for seeding 4-9 in any order. There's really three 1 seeds and six 2 seeds. But that means a 1 and a 3 seed has to come out of that second group.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 31, 2024, 03:01:27 PM
Why the X dislike?
During the BET final last year, I was surrounded by CU fans cheering for MU over X. CU and Xavier had been playing each other almost every year since 2001 before they both joined the BE in 2013. Apparently there had been some bad blood that formed over that decade before both joined the BE.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 31, 2024, 02:49:59 PM
I agree with most of this but differ on S-Curve placement. After scrubbing the top two lines this morning:
4. Arizona (5 Q1 wins/4 Q1A)
5. Wisconsin (6 Q1 wins/2Q1A)
6. Marquette (5 Q1 Wins/4 Q1A)
7. Kansas (5 Q1 Wins/3 Q1A)
8. UNC (4 Q1 Wins/2 Q1A)
9. Tennessee (3 Q1 Wins/3 Q1A)
The margin between 4 and 9 remains razor thin. This weekend's games will have a huge impact an the S-Curve. Monday, this order could be completely different.
That's why I'm not scrubbing now. Will probably wait until the dust settles Saturday and then scrub for Sunday morning. I also hate head to head, though I get the logic you use when resumes are this close.
Quote from: MUbiz on January 31, 2024, 03:20:21 PM
During the BET final last year, I was surrounded by CU fans cheering for MU over X. CU and Xavier had been playing each other almost every year since 2001 before they both joined the BE in 2013. Apparently there had been some bad blood that formed over that decade before both joined the BE.
Thank you.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday February 2nd by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Colgate in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Clemson and 10 Seed Nebraska In the Midwest Detroit Region
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 02, 2024, 03:21:08 PM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday February 2nd by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Colgate in Pittsburgh. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Clemson and 10 Seed Nebraska In the Midwest Detroit Region
Pretty close to the Colgate campus
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2024, 03:21:49 PM
Pretty close to the Colgate campus
You need to brush up on your geography.
See? How hard was that?
Quote from: barfolomew on February 02, 2024, 03:56:43 PM
You need to brush up on your geography.
See? How hard was that?
I don't brush. I did my own research and found out toothpaste is owned by pharma.
6 hours and 14 minutes from Colgate to Yinzerville. Two hours less than Marquette to Yinzerville.
Granted, MarquetteMike does have a dilemma on his hands with the regional in two cities
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2024, 04:01:23 PM
I don't brush. I did my own research and found out toothpaste is owned by pharma.
6 hours and 14 minutes from Colgate to Yinzerville. Two hours less than Marquette to Yinzerville.
Granted, MarquetteMike does have a dilemma on his hands with the regional in two cities
If dentists make money by having to fix your teeth, why are we using things that 9 out of 10 dentists recommend to keep your teeth healthy?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 02, 2024, 04:04:11 PM
If dentists make money by having to fix your teeth, why are we using things that 9 out of 10 dentists recommend to keep your teeth healthy?
Cuz they're part of the big pharma con job
Quote from: wadesworld on February 02, 2024, 04:04:11 PM
If dentists make money by having to fix your teeth, why are we using things that 9 out of 10 dentists recommend to keep your teeth healthy?
Thanks Bill Nye
When I was a kid, after a checkup our dentist used to hand out coupons for a free ice cream cone at the local drugstore.
Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2024, 06:55:07 PM
When I was a kid, after a checkup our dentist used to hand out coupons for a free ice cream cone at the local drugstore.
Brilliant!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 02, 2024, 06:27:04 PM
Thanks Bill Nye
I work with Bob Nye. No relation. Hard to not call him Bill every time
Marquette is #8 a 2 Seed in Joe Lunardi
ESPN's S Curve on Monday February 5
Before Kansas Lost to Kansas State
Marquette is back to #7 a 2 Seed on Joe Lunardi's S Curve today February 6th after Kansas loss to Kansas State
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday February 6th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Oakland in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Texas and 10 Seed Mississippi State In the South Dallas Region.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 06, 2024, 02:46:34 PM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday February 6th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Oakland in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Texas and 10 Seed Mississippi State In the South Dallas Region.
Wonder if Cain would root for the school he graduated from or the school he may or may not have completed a masters degree at.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 06, 2024, 02:53:55 PM
Wonder if Cain would root for the school he graduated from or the school he may or may not have completed a masters degree at.
Only one of those schools is sending him gear that he's putting up stories of. I'd guess it would be us.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 06, 2024, 02:57:06 PM
Only one of those schools is sending him gear that he's putting up stories of. I'd guess it would be us.
Doesn't he list Oakland as his Alma mater on the heat website though?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 06, 2024, 03:01:07 PM
Doesn't he list Oakland as his Alma mater on the heat website though?
NBA.com does list Oakland.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 02, 2024, 10:57:37 PM
I work with Bob Nye. No relation. Hard to not call him Bill every time
Anyone else have Prof Joe Nye at MU? Visiting foreign policy expert from Harvard in 1985. Great seminar- decision making and diplomacy in nuclear age, ethics and foreign policy etc.
Mike Decourcey is the 1st one I've seen to have Marquette and UWGB matchup in the 2/15 1st round matchup.
That would be fun!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 06, 2024, 03:01:07 PM
Doesn't he list Oakland as his Alma mater on the heat website though?
Do you get to pick? I thought they always use most recent college.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 09, 2024, 11:44:43 AM
Do you get to pick? I thought they always use most recent college.
I asked years ago about it and someone said you get to pick and provided an example. Can't remember who or the example though.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 11:39:44 AM
Mike Decourcey is the 1st one I've seen to have Marquette and UWGB matchup in the 2/15 1st round matchup.
That would be fun!
No, it would not.
I agree...
That would not be fun.
Quote from: Mu8891 on February 09, 2024, 12:18:22 PM
I agree...
That would not be fun.
Gotta beat the Phoenix to get to Phoenix.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 12:40:36 PM
How would that not be fun?
Because if we lose we'd literally never hear the end of it.
If we win, it's the same as any other win of a mid major.
There is nothing to gain from playing Wisconsin teams except for UW-Madison.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 09, 2024, 12:43:29 PM
Because if we lose we'd literally never hear the end of it.
If we win, it's the same as any other win of a mid major.
There is nothing to gain from playing Wisconsin teams except for UW-Madison.
Have you seen Marquette play basketball the past 2-3 years?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 12:45:24 PM
Have you seen Marquette play basketball the past 2-3 years?
Yes. I've seen us lose games we shouldn't. I've also heard that Shaka has problems in the NCAA Tournament.
Have you heard of Abilene Christian?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 12:40:36 PM
How would that not be fun?
Because the NCAA would find a way to place us in the Green Bay subregional.
Green Bay is a great story. Punching way above their weight. But MU would absolutely truck them.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 11:39:44 AM
Mike Decourcey is the 1st one I've seen to have Marquette and UWGB matchup in the 2/15 1st round matchup.
That would be fun!
Sundance should be national COY. Less than 1 season to clean-up the mess left by Bo Ryan's kid
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 09, 2024, 12:52:56 PM
Yes. I've seen us lose games we shouldn't. I've also heard that Shaka has problems in the NCAA Tournament.
Have you heard of Abilene Christian?
Has nothing to do with this team or Marquette.
Has Shaka lost a game here to a mid-major outside of St. Bonaventure that was in the Top 25?
Radford.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 01:01:35 PM
Has nothing to do with this team or Marquette.
Has Shaka lost a game here to a mid-major outside of St. Bonaventure that was in the Top 25?
But you're ignoring the main reason. Nothing to gain, everything to lose.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 09, 2024, 01:06:44 PM
But you're ignoring the main reason. Nothing to gain, everything to lose.
Advancing in the NCAA tournament is the biggest gain that I can possibly think of. What is more important/motivating than that?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 01:22:57 PM
Advancing in the NCAA tournament is the biggest gain that I can possibly think of. What is more important/motivating than that?
Doing that without playing an in state school.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 09, 2024, 11:44:43 AM
Do you get to pick? I thought they always use most recent college.
Jimmy Butler and Tyler JUCO say you get to choose.
That would not be fun......for Green Bay. We would destroy them.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 09, 2024, 01:06:44 PM
But you're ignoring the main reason. Nothing to gain, everything to lose.
I too get very upset when MU gets a high seed and plays the mid-majors that we have nothing to gain from. Wojo's strategy of double-digit seed was by far his greatest attribute.
Actually, missing the tournament is the best guaranty to not end up in a "no win" situation. The fact is, DePaul is playing chess and Duke, MU & Kansas are dopes playing checkers.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 09, 2024, 01:47:50 PM
I too get very upset when MU gets a high seed and plays the mid-majors that we have nothing to gain from. Wojo's strategy of double-digit seed was by far his greatest attribute.
Actually, missing the tournament is the best guaranty to not end up in a "no win" situation. The fact is, DePaul is playing chess and Duke, MU & Kansas are dopes playing checkers.
I think you've missed the point. He's hoping to play UW Green Bay.
Reality is that they'll play whomever is in front of them.
Given the choice, I'd rather play a school that isn't from in state. Because if for some reason they lose, the torment never ends.
If they lose to Vermont, no one says anything ever. If they lose to UWGB on the other hand...
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 11:39:44 AM
Mike Decourcey is the 1st one I've seen to have Marquette and UWGB matchup in the 2/15 1st round matchup.
That would be fun!
Finally. Now Marquette can't dodge them
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 09, 2024, 01:51:36 PM
I think you've missed the point. He's hoping to play UW Green Bay.
Reality is that they'll play whomever is in front of them.
Given the choice, I'd rather play a school that isn't from in state. Because if for some reason they lose, the torment never ends.
If they lose to Vermont, no one says anything ever. If they lose to UWGB on the other hand...
If MU loses to ANY 15 seed in the first round, the shouts of "Shaka can't win in the NCAA tournament" would be deafening.
I would happily take my chances with UWGB. I don't think they'd be as dangerous as last year's Princeton team was for Arizona.
Quote from: wisblue on February 09, 2024, 02:05:17 PM
If MU loses to ANY 15 seed in the first round, the shouts of "Shaka can't win in the NCAA tournament" would be deafening.
I would happily take my chances with UWGB. I don't think they'd be as dangerous as last year's Princeton team was for Arizona.
Yes. Obviously. But it would objectively worse losing to 15 UWGB than 15 anyone else.
This isn't brain surgery.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 09, 2024, 01:30:00 PM
Doing that without playing an in state school.
What a loser's mentality.
Bring on whomever.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 09, 2024, 01:51:36 PM
I think you've missed the point. He's hoping to play UW Green Bay.
Reality is that they'll play whomever is in front of them.
Given the choice, I'd rather play a school that isn't from in state. Because if for some reason they lose, the torment never ends.
If they lose to Vermont, no one says anything ever. If they lose to UWGB on the other hand...
I didn't say I wanted it. I said it would be fun.
Marquette is going to be loads better than any 15 seed they would play.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 09, 2024, 02:10:03 PM
Yes. Obviously. But it would objectively worse losing to 15 UWGB than 15 anyone else.
This isn't brain surgery.
It isn't brain surgery but it's also a matter of opinion evaluating degrees of extreme disappointment.
It might be worse for some people but it wouldn't be worse for me.
Quote from: onepost on February 09, 2024, 02:44:59 PM
What a loser's mentality.
Bring on whomever.
I came here expecting logic, and instead I have you cretins.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 09, 2024, 12:53:12 PM
Because the NCAA would find a way to place us in the Green Bay subregional.
With Driscoll referring
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 09, 2024, 01:59:17 PM
Finally. Now Marquette can't dodge them
You crack me up. I know it's a schtick and somewhat obsessive but I chuckle.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2024, 11:39:44 AM
Mike Decourcey is the 1st one I've seen to have Marquette and UWGB matchup in the 2/15 1st round matchup.
That would be fun!
Agree it would be fun.
Our Son's Varsity High School teammate plays for UWGB. Our Son was the last walk on cut at Marquette University.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday February 9th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Quinnipiac in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Utah State and 10 Seed Mississippi State/ Cincinnati Winner In the South Dallas Region.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday February 13th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Quinnipiac in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Texas A&M and 10 Seed TCU In the South Dallas Region.
Fox Sports Bracketology Updated Tuesday February 13th by Mike DeCourcy. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Quinnipiac. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Kentucky and 10 Seed Boise State In the South Dallas Region.
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What a GREAT ARTICLE.
This is a must read for all scoopers, thanks for sharing Herman.
Hurley said a ton of great, and accurate things.
Here's an example
"Marquette's a national championship caliber team this year, people think we are," Hurley added, "and Seton Hall's beaten both us and them so if the tournament's about who can you beat...."
The domination that UConn put on the field last year, and the domination that Marquette put on them winning both regular season titles, doesn't get talked about enough.
This league is tough as nails, and doesn't get the credit it deserves in NCAA field projections.
'I don't know the ins and outs of everyone's resume, but I'll say this, those games are tougher game for us than anything we played in the non-conference, with the exception of the road game at Kansas, and we played some really good non-conference games," Hurley said.
What we've witnessed the past few conference seasons has been incredible and will go down in Marquette folklore for years and decades to come.
Win Saturday, and that becomes even more apparent.
Marquette is now the top 2-seed. Moving on up.
And an argument can be made for the last 1 seed, with arizonas q3 loss. Keep winning i suppose.
Bracket question for the guys that know this stuff, what is the floor for seeding if MU goes 4-3 the rest of the way?
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2024, 08:29:32 AM
Bracket question for the guys that know this stuff, what is the floor for seeding if MU goes 4-3 the rest of the way?
I'd be stunned if we weren't a 2 seed(assuming DePaul isn't one of the Ls) and 3 seed would be the absolute worst
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2024, 08:29:32 AM
Bracket question for the guys that know this stuff, what is the floor for seeding if MU goes 4-3 the rest of the way?
I would say 3 seed. When winning you don't have to look what other teams are doing. When losing you need to see what other teams are winning. Right now if we were to go 4-3 unless 2/3 losses came to Uconn. I could see the seeds as follows:
1 seeds - Purdue, Uconn, Houston, Zona
2 seeds - Kansas, Tennessee, Alabama, Iowa St
3 seeds - Illinois, Wisconsin, South Carolina, Duke
Those 3 seeds might be some of the worst to date. It would take a collosial implosion imo for Marquette to not get a 3 seed at minimum.
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2024, 08:29:32 AM
Bracket question for the guys that know this stuff, what is the floor for seeding if MU goes 4-3 the rest of the way?
We could maybe fall to a 3 depending on what everyone around us does but i would guess still a 2.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 14, 2024, 10:32:04 AM
We could maybe fall to a 3 depending on what everyone around us does but i would guess still a 2.
Yeah -
On the Eye on College Basketball podcast today, Gary Parrish said he has Marquette as his 4th #1 seed today.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 14, 2024, 08:49:33 AM
I would say 3 seed. When winning you don't have to look what other teams are doing. When losing you need to see what other teams are winning. Right now if we were to go 4-3 unless 2/3 losses came to Uconn. I could see the seeds as follows:
1 seeds - Purdue, Uconn, Houston, Zona
2 seeds - Kansas, Tennessee, Alabama, Iowa St
3 seeds - Illinois, Wisconsin, South Carolina, Duke
Those 3 seeds might be some of the worst to date. It would take a collosial implosion imo for Marquette to not get a 3 seed at minimum.
No way Kansas should get a better seed than MU.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 14, 2024, 12:20:37 PM
No way Kansas should get a better seed than MU.
He did say "if we were to go 4-3," which may put Kansas in front of MU considering how they finish the year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2024, 12:25:41 PM
He did say "if we were to go 4-3," which may put Kansas in front of MU considering how they finish the year.
Which I'm finding it unlikely atm they finish strong enough to top that.
Texas now up to 31 in the Net....1 spot away from turning into another quad 1 win.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 14, 2024, 08:49:33 AM
I would say 3 seed. When winning you don't have to look what other teams are doing. When losing you need to see what other teams are winning. Right now if we were to go 4-3 unless 2/3 losses came to Uconn. I could see the seeds as follows:
1 seeds - Purdue, Uconn, Houston, Zona
2 seeds - Kansas, Tennessee, Alabama, Iowa St
3 seeds - Illinois, Wisconsin, South Carolina, Duke
Those 3 seeds might be some of the worst to date. It would take a collosial implosion imo for Marquette to not get a 3 seed at minimum.
South Carolina has some work to do to be in the mix for a 3.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2024, 12:25:41 PM
He did say "if we were to go 4-3," which may put Kansas in front of MU considering how they finish the year.
Even at 4-3 we should be ranked higher than Kansas. They are not special this year. 4-3 with 2 losses to #1 must be considered. Of course conference tournaments would also matter.
Quote from: LAZER on February 14, 2024, 01:47:29 PM
South Carolina has some work to do to be in the mix for a 3.
True, but they have 6 Q1s that they very well can win 3-seed is low for them. Tonight Auburn away is their biggest challenge. Tennessee I think at home. SC is the dark horse for a 1 seed. really.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 14, 2024, 04:29:10 PM
True, but they have 6 Q1s that they very well can win 3-seed is low for them. Tonight Auburn away is their biggest challenge. Tennessee I think at home. SC is the dark horse for a 1 seed. really.
Sure. They're a dark horse 1 seed in the same way Bama, Iowa State, Illinois, Duke, Baylor, and others are. If those teams win out through their conference tournament, they could sneak in with a ton of help.
But none of them are getting a 1 seed.
SC is dogs in 5 of their 7 remaining regular season games, and are less than a 1 point favorite in 1 of the 2 games they're favorites in. They're not going 7-0, and then winning the SEC Tournament.
S Carolina is not winning out ... and not getting a 1 seed. Please ::)
And the Big 10 / 14 / 18 is not good, but I don't see UW getting a 3 seed
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2024, 04:54:43 PM
Sure. They're a dark horse 1 seed in the same way Bama, Iowa State, Illinois, Duke, Baylor, and others are. If those teams win out through their conference tournament, they could sneak in with a ton of help.
But none of them are getting a 1 seed.
SC is dogs in 5 of their 7 remaining regular season games, and are less than a 1 point favorite in 1 of the 2 games they're favorites in. They're not going 7-0, and then winning the SEC Tournament.
All those other teams winning out don't get a 1. sneak is an understatement. SC win out with only 3 losses and better than 10-2 Q1..CMON MAN. Seriously they won't win out but even 2 more losses and conf champs 10-4 Q1 puts them in the conversation. Don't get me wrong I want less competition for the 1 if MU performs these next two weeks...but SC is good.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 14, 2024, 07:09:29 PM
All those other teams winning out don't get a 1. sneak is an understatement. SC win out with only 3 losses and better than 10-2 Q1..CMON MAN. Seriously they won't win out but even 2 more losses and conf champs 10-4 Q1 puts them in the conversation. Don't get me wrong I want less competition for the 1 if MU performs these next two weeks...but SC is good.
They're 44 at KenPom and 40 at Torvik. What's the lowest a 1 seed has ever been at KenPom? I'd be shocked if it's below 20. Very surprised if it's below 15. They have a very good record. That's different than being a very good team.
Xavier was 15 at kenpom.
South Carolina getting blitzed.
Again, they will need a minor miracle to get a damn 3
Stop with the 1 seed bs
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 14, 2024, 07:09:29 PM
All those other teams winning out don't get a 1. sneak is an understatement. SC win out with only 3 losses and better than 10-2 Q1..CMON MAN. Seriously they won't win out but even 2 more losses and conf champs 10-4 Q1 puts them in the conversation. Don't get me wrong I want less competition for the 1 if MU performs these next two weeks...but SC is good.
Well SC getting their butt kicked so that's that.
Well it looks like people can stop with the South Carolina 1 seed nonsense. Down 30 to Auburn right now.
Quote from: IL Warrior on February 14, 2024, 09:13:26 PM
Well it looks like people can stop with the South Carolina 1 seed nonsense. Down 30 to Auburn right now.
It needed to happen. A lot of nonsense talk regarding them these past two weeks.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 14, 2024, 09:14:54 PM
It needed to happen. A lot of nonsense talk regarding them these past two weeks.
Yep. Impressive record, but not much substance behind it.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 14, 2024, 04:29:10 PM
True, but they have 6 Q1s that they very well can win 3-seed is low for them. Tonight Auburn away is their biggest challenge. Tennessee I think at home. SC is the dark horse for a 1 seed. really.
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong spot, but I only see 3 Q1's and now going to be 3-3 in Q1 games.
Bracket matrix vs poll discrepancy really interesting right now - MU isn't #1 in a single bracket and PU, UCONN, UH all consensus 1s with AZ a 1 in all but a handful.
Really don't get the AZ love. @Duke, vs. WI and n. Alabama are solid wins, but nowhere near elite and nowhere near wins @ILL, vs. Creighton and n. KU. And two of their losses are head and shoulders worse than our worst loss. I get the computers like them a bit better for some reason, but how do bracketologists look at those two profiles and overwhelmingly put AZ ahead of us?
Quote from: LAZER on February 14, 2024, 09:40:05 PM
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong spot, but I only see 3 Q1's and now going to be 3-3 in Q1 games.
Sorry you misunderstood... Was saying 6 Q1s left on schedule with a current 3-2 (now 3-3). If they won those and with a deep SEC tourney 10+ Q1s.
What can I say, I'm an irrational SC fan from way back. I hope MU and SC are not in the same region as my bracket of integrity will of course have them meet in the final four 😁.
Quote from: 1SE on February 14, 2024, 11:56:05 PM
Bracket matrix vs poll discrepancy really interesting right now - MU isn't #1 in a single bracket and PU, UCONN, UH all consensus 1s with AZ a 1 in all but a handful.
Really don't get the AZ love. @Duke, vs. WI and n. Alabama are solid wins, but nowhere near elite and nowhere near wins @ILL, vs. Creighton and n. KU. And two of their losses are head and shoulders worse than our worst loss. I get the computers like them a bit better for some reason, but how do bracketologists look at those two profiles and overwhelmingly put AZ ahead of us?
Arizona has 7 Q1 wins to our 6. They also played the 2nd hardest non conference schedule (we were 23), committee tends to reward that. They have a significantly higher NET than us. Also using NET, their wins are just as impressive if not more than ours. For example Alabama on a neutral court is better than Kansas on a neutral court according to NET (5 vs 14). They have 4 Q1A wins to our 3. It would help if Creighton could move up 1 spot back to Q1a and Texas could move up 1 spot to Q1. Both of those things happening would give us an identical Q1 win profile to Zona.
All that being said, i think we're the top 2 seed at the moment (bracketmatrix lags and we've narrowed the gap with every update). I also think that a win at UConn could be enough to jump Arizona. That's the kind of win that gets you noticed
Quote from: 1SE on February 14, 2024, 11:56:05 PM
Bracket matrix vs poll discrepancy really interesting right now - MU isn't #1 in a single bracket and PU, UCONN, UH all consensus 1s with AZ a 1 in all but a handful.
Really don't get the AZ love. @Duke, vs. WI and n. Alabama are solid wins, but nowhere near elite and nowhere near wins @ILL, vs. Creighton and n. KU. And two of their losses are head and shoulders worse than our worst loss. I get the computers like them a bit better for some reason, but how do bracketologists look at those two profiles and overwhelmingly put AZ ahead of us?
I don't think anyone was saying that MU should be a number 1 right now. I said yesterday if they win at Uconn they will be moved up to the 1 line. That will be the single best road win for any team this season. Anyways in regards to Arizona they aren't dropping off the 2 line and will play out west, also were the last 1 seed currently isnt solidified meaning if Marquette grabs the last 1, Zona would be the 2 in that region. If zona grabs the 1, Marquette would more than likely be in Purdues Region.
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2024, 08:29:32 AM
Bracket question for the guys that know this stuff, what is the floor for seeding if MU goes 4-3 the rest of the way?
I ran it through TRank teamcast. Currently, MU is projected as the 3rd 2 seed. Going 4-3 (losing to UConn x2 and Creighton, also simmed the BE tournament- beat Providence, lost to Creighton), moved MU to the last two seed.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 15, 2024, 07:19:23 AM
I don't think anyone was saying that MU should be a number 1 right now. I said yesterday if they win at Uconn they will be moved up to the 1 line. That will be the single best road win for any team this season. Anyways in regards to Arizona they aren't dropping off the 2 line and will play out west, also were the last 1 seed currently isnt solidified meaning if Marquette grabs the last 1, Zona would be the 2 in that region. If zona grabs the 1, Marquette would more than likely be in Purdues Region.
If MU is the top 2 seed, they can't be placed with the top 1 seed (Purdue). If MU ends up 7th on the S-Curve, Tennessee, UNC, Kansas, and Iowa State are all possibilities to be 6th and get the Midwest 2.
If MU is 6th overall, then the Midwest 2 is almost a certainty.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 15, 2024, 08:20:27 AM
If MU is the top 2 seed, they can't be placed with the top 1 seed (Purdue).
Is this true?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 08:21:51 AM
Is this true?
I think this is where the scrubbing of the bracket comes in. I believe the committee would scrub so that Marquette would have a closer location.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 08:21:51 AM
Is this true?
It would seem they would have earned it. Curious to see what the answer is.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 08:21:51 AM
Is this true?
Does anyone know if they value the true S curve or locality when it comes to seeding the top 16 seeds in terms of later matchups?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 08:21:51 AM
Is this true?
I believe this has been the case in the past, but reading through the current principles I can't find it. So, perhaps I am incorrect.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 08:21:51 AM
Is this true?
Yes.
The overall #1 and the top 2-seed (#5 overall) cannot be placed in the same region.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2024, 11:51:24 AM
Yes.
The overall #1 and the top 2-seed (#5 overall) cannot be placed in the same region.
Huh. Never knew that. Thanks.
All those rules and yet as a #2 seed we had a partial away game in our second game. I presume MSU was closer to Columbus than Marquette?
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 15, 2024, 12:56:33 PM
All those rules and yet as a #2 seed we had a partial away game in our second game. I presume MSU was closer to Columbus than Marquette?
It could happen again with us meeting Indiana State or Kentucky in the second round in Indy.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 15, 2024, 12:56:33 PM
All those rules and yet as a #2 seed we had a partial away game in our second game. I presume MSU was closer to Columbus than Marquette?
A lot of Sparty stuck around to cheer on Vermont during our first round game as well. We weren't done a lot of favors with that seeding.
When we played Utah State in the first round in Boise in 2009, that was a very hostile crowd.
Considering we'll never play in Chicago or Milwaukee, as it's too close and home respectively, and Madison is too small to host I believe. It's fair to expect wherever we go will likely have a few teams closer even if we have a protected seed. Unless Chicago builds a southside stadium or Madison doubles in size it'll likely always be that way.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 15, 2024, 01:04:07 PM
When we played Utah State in the first round in Boise in 2009, that was a very hostile crowd.
Damn Mormons!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 15, 2024, 01:21:02 PM
Considering we'll never play in Chicago or Milwaukee, as it's too close and home respectively, and Madison is too small to host I believe. It's fair to expect wherever we go will likely have a few teams closer even if we have a protected seed. Unless Chicago builds a southside stadium or Madison doubles in size it'll likely always be that way.
There is nothing preventing us from playing in Chicago.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 15, 2024, 01:21:02 PM
Considering we'll never play in Chicago or Milwaukee, as it's too close and home respectively, and Madison is too small to host I believe. It's fair to expect wherever we go will likely have a few teams closer even if we have a protected seed. Unless Chicago builds a southside stadium or Madison doubles in size it'll likely always be that way.
Doesn't Madison never even try to get games because they need to keep the arena open for the High School State Tournaments? I certainly think they have the infrastructure.
https://twitter.com/SportsGrid/status/1758208602802639153
Really starting to appear that Shaka blocked Rothstein
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 15, 2024, 01:32:26 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsGrid/status/1758208602802639153
Really starting to appear that Shaka blocked Rothstein
Nvm apologies to Rothstein. He's just promoting some stupid odds site
He actually has us a 1 with a win on Saturday.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 15, 2024, 01:26:53 PM
Doesn't Madison never even try to get games because they need to keep the arena open for the High School State Tournaments? I certainly think they have the infrastructure.
I think they've hosted before. I'm guessing between state tournaments and the fact they've been good enough to get good locations so wouldn't want to limit their spots, they don't have much interest.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 15, 2024, 01:26:09 PM
There is nothing preventing us from playing in Chicago.
I'm fairly certain you can't play within 100miles of campus. Any arena worth its salt in Chicago is within 100miles.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 15, 2024, 02:07:59 PM
I'm fairly certain you can't play within 100miles of campus. Any arena worth its salt in Chicago is within 100miles.
Tell that to Nova to the Wellls Fargo Center or UNC/Duke to Greensboro.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 15, 2024, 01:48:43 PM
I think they've hosted before. I'm guessing between state tournaments and the fact they've been good enough to get good locations so wouldn't want to limit their spots, they don't have much interest.
Quick Wiki search shows Madison has not hosted. I think the venue is good, the city is too small for NCAA tournament standards. Although Lexington is a frequent host and they only have maybe 100K more in population.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 15, 2024, 02:11:03 PM
Tell that to Nova to the Wellls Fargo Center or UNC/Duke to Greensboro.
Oh right good point. I swear I recalled something about 100mi though. I could be crazy and dreamed it years ago.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 15, 2024, 02:13:01 PM
Quick Wiki search shows Madison has not hosted. I think the venue is good, the city is too small for NCAA tournament standards. Although Lexington is a frequent host and they only have maybe 100K more in population.
Madison hosted a regional in 2002. I thought I remembered stories at the time saying their athletic department didn't feel it was worth the hassle of hosting.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 15, 2024, 02:17:08 PM
Oh right good point. I swear I recalled something about 100mi though. I could be crazy and dreamed it years ago.
There is a certain distance that the NCAA won't pay for a charter flight, so you have to bus or pay for your own flight. Maybe that's it?
Quote from: DefinitelyNotPorterMoser on February 15, 2024, 02:17:31 PM
Madison hosted a regional in 2002. I thought I remembered stories at the time saying their athletic department didn't feel it was worth the hassle of hosting.
I stand corrected. I didn't consider them being a regional host. I guess that makes more sense 1/2 the teams and 1/2 the visitors.
I could see it being a hassle in a town that size. NCAA tournaments are more plug and play in major markets.
Quote from: MDMU04 on February 15, 2024, 01:01:58 PM
A lot of Sparty stuck around to cheer on Vermont during our first round game as well. We weren't done a lot of favors with that seeding.
You got that right. I was in Columbus and the Spartan fans that stayed were either silent (rare) or vocally cheering for Vermont.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 15, 2024, 02:22:12 PM
I stand corrected. I didn't consider them being a regional host. I guess that makes more sense 1/2 the teams and 1/2 the visitors.
I could see it being a hassle in a town that size. NCAA tournaments are more plug and play in major markets.
Madison is plenty big enough. I just don't think they have much interest. They don't even put in for hockey any longer.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 15, 2024, 02:07:59 PM
I'm fairly certain you can't play within 100miles of campus. Any arena worth its salt in Chicago is within 100miles.
Madison is definitely less than 100 miles from Milwaukee, and the Badgers have been placed in Milwaukee several times.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 03:07:08 PM
Madison is plenty big enough. I just don't think they have much interest. They don't even put in for hockey any longer.
Yeah...Spokane is smaller than Madison and they're hosting this year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 03:07:08 PM
Madison is plenty big enough. I just don't think they have much interest. They don't even put in for hockey any longer.
They have hosted a Regional before, so yes it is big enough. I was only pointing out the comment of it being a hassle made sense. Places like Lexington and Spokane welcome the hassle. In places like Milwaukee or Dallas or Atlanta, the NCAA is an easy fit into a robust visitor and convention infrastructure.
Quote from: 1SE on February 14, 2024, 11:56:05 PM
Really don't get the AZ love. @Duke, vs. WI and n. Alabama are solid wins, but nowhere near elite and nowhere near wins @ILL, vs. Creighton and n. KU. And two of their losses are head and shoulders worse than our worst loss. I get the computers like them a bit better for some reason, but how do bracketologists look at those two profiles and overwhelmingly put AZ ahead of us?
I was thinking about this more because I'm a dork and I've seen this idea that Zona hasn't beaten anyone a few times. I wanted to check on how we compare to them in terms of records vs. likely tourney teams. I think their wins line up with ours better than you might think. Bracketmatrix isn't flawless, but it gives us an objective way of deciding how good teams have been so far.
Going in descending order of best wins:
MU: Kansas by 14 on a neutral court (Last 2 seed per BracketMatrix)
AZ: Alabama by 13 on a neutral court (3rd 3 seed)
Slight edge to MU but really a wash
MU: at Illinois by 7 (3rd 4 seed)
AZ: at Duke by 5 (Top 4 seed)
Wash
MU: Creighton at home by 5 (Last 4 seed)
AZ: Wisconsin at home by 25 (2nd 4 seed)
Edge Zona given the margin
MU: Texas at home by 21 (Top 8 seed)
AZ: Michigan State on a neutral court by 6 (3rd 8 seed)
Slight Edge to MU for margin of victory but they were missing Disu and MSU was on a neutral court
MU: at Butler by 6 (top 11 seed)
AZ: at Utah by 6 (last 10 seed)
Wash
MU: That's it, no more current tourney teams per bracketmatrix
AZ: Utah at home by 19 (last 10 seed)
So I'm not sure we can claim that Arizona has played nobody
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 15, 2024, 05:22:13 PM
I was thinking about this more because I'm a dork and I've seen this idea that Zona hasn't beaten anyone a few times. I wanted to check on how we compare to them in terms of records vs. likely tourney teams. I think their wins line up with ours better than you might think. Bracketmatrix isn't flawless, but it gives us an objective way of deciding how good teams have been so far.
Going in descending order of best wins:
MU: Kansas by 14 on a neutral court (Last 2 seed per BracketMatrix)
AZ: Alabama by 13 on a neutral court (3rd 3 seed)
Slight edge to MU but really a wash
MU: at Illinois by 7 (3rd 4 seed)
AZ: at Duke by 5 (Top 4 seed)
Wash
MU: Creighton at home by 5 (Last 4 seed)
AZ: Wisconsin at home by 25 (2nd 4 seed)
Edge Zona given the margin
MU: Texas at home by 21 (Top 8 seed)
AZ: Michigan State on a neutral court by 6 (3rd 8 seed)
Slight Edge to MU for margin of victory but they were missing Disu and MSU was on a neutral court
MU: at Butler by 6 (top 11 seed)
AZ: at Utah by 6 (last 10 seed)
Wash
MU: That's it, no more current tourney teams per bracketmatrix
AZ: Utah at home by 19 (last 10 seed)
So I'm not sure we can claim that Arizona has played nobody
Yeah, but this is why I don't like the circle jerk of the computers - AZ has good computer numbers because they beat AL, AL has good computer numbers because they played tough teams like AZ.
Not doubt AZ is a good team, but comparing the KU win to the AL win is a bit of a stretch. I'm not saying they should be on the bubble, just that they and us should swap places on the S Curve
In the real world, they don't have a win that compares with KU, their bama win equals our Ill win. And their UW win equals our Southern win (or butler , or nova, or Creighton if you're a Bucky slurper)
Quote from: 1SE on February 15, 2024, 05:31:46 PM
Yeah, but this is why I don't like the circle jerk of the computers - AZ has good computer numbers because they beat AL, AL has good computer numbers because they played tough teams like AZ.
Not doubt AZ is a good team, but comparing the KU win to the AL win is a bit of a stretch. I'm not saying they should be on the bubble, just that they and us should swap places on the S Curve
In the real world, they don't have a win that compares with KU, their bama win equals our Ill win. And their UW win equals our Southern win (or butler , or nova, or Creighton if you're a Bucky slurper)
?-(
I didn't use computers. I used bracketmatrix, which is an average of 106 humans looking at the field and organizing the bracket.
Why do you feel that its a stretch to compare beating the #8 team in the S curve (which again, is assembled by humans) by 14 to beating the #11 team in the S curve by 13, both on a neutral court?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 15, 2024, 05:51:36 PM
?-(
I didn't use computers. I used bracketmatrix, which is an average of 106 humans looking at the field and organizing the bracket.
Why do you feel that its a stretch to compare beating the #8 team in the S curve (which again, is assembled by humans) by 14 to beating the #11 team in the S curve by 13, both on a neutral court?
Sure, but all the 104 bracket humans do. I'm mostly just being a MU homer, and I get what the committee does and you need some form of comparison, but the NET still can come up with some wacky ratings which then probably get too much weight in bracketologists' overall assessments.
I get Kansas sucks on the road and that has killed their numbers - buy they've still beat UCONN and Houston and Baylor and Tenn and UK. Who has Alabama beat? Auburn, Mighty Miss St (twice) and?? Indiana St? SC at home? Plus they have 7 losses. But yet the computers love them, and subsequently love AZ more for beating them than us for beat KU.
I'm not saying you or the bracketologists are wrong about what WILL happen, I'm just griping that the system is still flawed and, especially top seed lines, truly elite wins should matter - and sometimes identifying those (and the faux elite wins) takes a bit more digging than looking at NET.
That said, KU and TX and UCLA have all really f*cked us over being being a lot worse than we hoped.
Anyway, Saturday will solve this one way or another. Win and we'll bevshowing up as a 1 on lots of brackets - lose and we pretty much lock in a ceiling at a 2
I raised this briefly in January and I think it's time to do it again
I enjoy following the buildup to Selection Sunday as much as anyone, and hope for MU to get the highest spot possible on the seed list.
But, I think it's a good idea not to get too worked up about the difference of one or two spots on the seed list. Those minimal difference have virtually no impact on the prospects for the team advancing in the tournament. Matchups and how other games play out have a much bigger impact, not to mention how the team plays.
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2024, 06:46:47 AM
I raised this briefly in January and I think it's time to do it again
I enjoy following the buildup to Selection Sunday as much as anyone, and hope for MU to get the highest spot possible on the seed list.
But, I think it's a good idea not to get too worked up about the difference of one or two spots on the seed list. Those minimal difference have virtually no impact on the prospects for the team advancing in the tournament. Matchups and how other games play out have a much bigger impact, not to mention how the team plays.
Thanks Mom
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2024, 06:46:47 AM
I raised this briefly in January and I think it's time to do it again
I enjoy following the buildup to Selection Sunday as much as anyone, and hope for MU to get the highest spot possible on the seed list.
But, I think it's a good idea not to get too worked up about the difference of one or two spots on the seed list. Those minimal difference have virtually no impact on the prospects for the team advancing in the tournament. Matchups and how other games play out have a much bigger impact, not to mention how the team plays.
Bingo. You'll get dinged for this, but you're correct. Let me see the seed and potential matchups.
It is fun to have a good season recognized. But it still comes down to play poorly on a given day and lose, regardless of seed. Virginia and Purdue have made history that way in recent years.
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2024, 06:46:47 AM
I raised this briefly in January and I think it's time to do it again
I enjoy following the buildup to Selection Sunday as much as anyone, and hope for MU to get the highest spot possible on the seed list.
But, I think it's a good idea not to get too worked up about the difference of one or two spots on the seed list. Those minimal difference have virtually no impact on the prospects for the team advancing in the tournament. Matchups and how other games play out have a much bigger impact, not to mention how the team plays.
This is just objectively false. It's a little bit chicken or the egg, but #1 seeds do much better on average than #2 seeds, and #2 seeds do much better than #3 seeds.
https://www.betfirm.com/seeds-national-championship-odds/
Quote from: 1SE on February 16, 2024, 12:32:01 AM
Sure, but all the 104 bracket humans do. I'm mostly just being a MU homer, and I get what the committee does and you need some form of comparison, but the NET still can come up with some wacky ratings which then probably get too much weight in bracketologists' overall assessments.
I get Kansas sucks on the road and that has killed their numbers - buy they've still beat UCONN and Houston and Baylor and Tenn and UK. Who has Alabama beat? Auburn, Mighty Miss St (twice) and?? Indiana St? SC at home? Plus they have 7 losses. But yet the computers love them, and subsequently love AZ more for beating them than us for beat KU.
I'm not saying you or the bracketologists are wrong about what WILL happen, I'm just griping that the system is still flawed and, especially top seed lines, truly elite wins should matter - and sometimes identifying those (and the faux elite wins) takes a bit more digging than looking at NET.
That said, KU and TX and UCLA have all really f*cked us over being being a lot worse than we hoped.
Anyway, Saturday will solve this one way or another. Win and we'll bevshowing up as a 1 on lots of brackets - lose and we pretty much lock in a ceiling at a 2
Marquette is currently lining up as the first of the 2-seeds. The computers don't love Marquette as much as the bracketologists.
Marquette's in a great spot.
Quote from: 1SE on February 16, 2024, 12:32:01 AM
Sure, but all the 104 bracket humans do. I'm mostly just being a MU homer, and I get what the committee does and you need some form of comparison, but the NET still can come up with some wacky ratings which then probably get too much weight in bracketologists' overall assessments.
I get Kansas sucks on the road and that has killed their numbers - buy they've still beat UCONN and Houston and Baylor and Tenn and UK. Who has Alabama beat? Auburn, Mighty Miss St (twice) and?? Indiana St? SC at home? Plus they have 7 losses. But yet the computers love them, and subsequently love AZ more for beating them than us for beat KU.
I'm not saying you or the bracketologists are wrong about what WILL happen, I'm just griping that the system is still flawed and, especially top seed lines, truly elite wins should matter - and sometimes identifying those (and the faux elite wins) takes a bit more digging than looking at NET.
That said, KU and TX and UCLA have all really f*cked us over being being a lot worse than we hoped.
Anyway, Saturday will solve this one way or another. Win and we'll bevshowing up as a 1 on lots of brackets - lose and we pretty much lock in a ceiling at a 2
The 106 humans look at everything not just computer numbers. To be honest, NET is just a sorting tool, you overestimate its importance. They look at who you've beat and where as well as who youve lost to and where. KU has some great wins but theyve also have some garbage losses, you can't just ignore those. You also can't ignore that Kansas best road win is a 4 point squeaker over Indiana,
a team so bad that they're expected to die their coach at the end of the season.
If we win tomorrow, i think we leapfrog Arizona. If we lose, I think we are still the top 2 seed unless we get anniahlated. No ceiling.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 16, 2024, 07:43:58 AM
The 106 humans look at everything not just computer numbers. To be honest, NET is just a sorting tool, you overestimate its importance. They look at who you've beat and where as well as who youve lost to and where. KU has some great wins but theyve also have some garbage losses, you can't just ignore those. You also can't ignore that Kansas best road win is a 4 point squeaker over Indiana,
a team so bad that they're expected to die their coach at the end of the season.
If we win tomorrow, i think we leapfrog Arizona. If we lose, I think we are still the top 2 seed unless we get anniahlated. No ceiling.
That's a bit dramatic even for a school with IU history.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 16, 2024, 07:46:12 AM
That's a bit dramatic even for a school with IU history.
It is Indiana. The state history backs this up as a possibility
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 16, 2024, 07:46:12 AM
That's a bit dramatic even for a school with IU history.
Lol, damn swype keyboard
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2024, 06:46:47 AM
I raised this briefly in January and I think it's time to do it again
I enjoy following the buildup to Selection Sunday as much as anyone, and hope for MU to get the highest spot possible on the seed list.
But, I think it's a good idea not to get too worked up about the difference of one or two spots on the seed list. Those minimal difference have virtually no impact on the prospects for the team advancing in the tournament. Matchups and how other games play out have a much bigger impact, not to mention how the team plays.
I agree that we shouldn't get worked up, this is supposed to be fun after all.
But I think 1 or 2 spots can make big difference if it's the difference between a 1 and a 2 seed
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 16, 2024, 08:02:50 AM
I agree that we shouldn't get worked up, this is supposed to be fun after all.
But I think 1 or 2 spots can make big difference if it's the difference between a 1 and a 2 seed
I still don't think there's a significant difference between number 4 on the seed list vs #5 on the seed list, especially now that parity makes it unpredictable who a team will face in later rounds, even after the bracket is set.
I think that everyone on this board just wants the recognition that comes with the 1 seed rather than it being an "easier path" to the final four. Look at last years tournament. No #1 even made the elite 8. The tournament has always been about match ups. Once Arkansas took out Kansas we all knew Uconn was winning it all. Being the number 4 1 seed doesn't mean you have an easier path than being the number 1 2 seed. Seeding wise yes but there has never been chalk before.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 16, 2024, 08:25:54 AM
I think that everyone on this board just wants the recognition that comes with the 1 seed rather than it being an "easier path" to the final four. Look at last years tournament. No #1 even made the elite 8. The tournament has always been about match ups. Once Arkansas took out Kansas we all knew Uconn was winning it all. Being the number 4 1 seed doesn't mean you have an easier path than being the number 1 2 seed. Seeding wise yes but there has never been chalk before.
I agree with you, but I don't think everyone does.
It would.be interesting to see the break down in 5 v 4 S curve results historically - probably not enough sample but that's the discontinuity for sure.
And of course, in any given year any given 2 seed might have an easier path than any given 1 seed. But on average, over the years, 1 seeds have outperformed 2 seeds massively.
Anyway, I just love that were arguing over if we're the 4 or 5 on the curve. What a change of pace from arguments about if making the tourney 3 years out of 5 was enough evidence of an upward trajectory. Let's keep doing this.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on February 16, 2024, 07:28:54 AM
This is just objectively false. It's a little bit chicken or the egg, but #1 seeds do much better on average than #2 seeds, and #2 seeds do much better than #3 seeds.
https://www.betfirm.com/seeds-national-championship-odds/
8 seeds have made it to the championship game more times (4) than the 4,5, 6 or 7 seeds!
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2024, 08:23:16 AM
I still don't think there's a significant difference between number 4 on the seed list vs #5 on the seed list, especially now that parity makes it unpredictable who a team will face in later rounds, even after the bracket is set.
I think the path matters. 8/9 vs 7/10 might not matter much, but the second weekend 4/5 vs 3/6 does. And there's a better chance of one of those 12/13 seeds sneaking through to make an easier Elite 8 path. It also increases the odds someone other than the favored seed gets through the bottom half of the bracket simply because there's more time for an upset. 1's get through more often because the path is paved smoother. And we've never been a 1, and I love seeing new accomplishments.
Last night Joe Lunardi Had Marquette at 5 on his S Curve 2 Seed tonight Marquette is 6 on his S Curve Corresponding Pod 2 Seed
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 16, 2024, 06:23:15 PM
I think the path matters. 8/9 vs 7/10 might not matter much, but the second weekend 4/5 vs 3/6 does. And there's a better chance of one of those 12/13 seeds sneaking through to make an easier Elite 8 path. It also increases the odds someone other than the favored seed gets through the bottom half of the bracket simply because there's more time for an upset. 1's get through more often because the path is paved smoother. And we've never been a 1, and I love seeing new accomplishments.
The relevant comparison I'm getting at is not 1 seed line vs 2 seed line, but overall 4 seed vs overall 5 seed.
I would expect the overall 1 seeds to have a better record over the years than the overall 8 seeds more because they are demonstrably and proven better teams, not because they have a smoother path. I would also expect the overall 1 seeds to have a better record over the years than the overall 4 seeds because not all teams on the 1 seed line are created equal.
I also think that statistics that look at overall performances of seed lines over the years have lost some of their significance because there is much more parity in the field now than there was when seeding started 40 some years ago.
You made the statement that "1's get through more often because the path is smoother".
I am throwing out the proposition that "1's get through more often because they are better teams".
The truth might be a combination of the 2, but I think the "better team" is a much bigger factor than the "smoother path".
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 17, 2024, 01:51:47 AM
Last night Joe Lunardi Had Marquette at 5 on his S Curve 2 Seed tonight Marquette is 6 on his S Curve Corresponding Pod 2 Seed
Quote from: gmhfordham1015 on February 17, 2024, 07:24:53 AM
On Thursday he had #5 Marquette, #7 North Carolina, #8 Tennessee, and #8Kansas (yes, two #8s), #9 Iowa State.
22.5 hours later, he had #5 Tennessee, #6 Marquette, #7 North Carolina, #8 Iowa State, #9 Kansas.
None of those teams played in that time, but he felt the need to move...
Marquette down 1 spot
Tennessee up 3 spots
Kansas down 1 spot
Iowa State up 1 spot
What a moron.
Y'all realize it's just about the clicks right?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 17, 2024, 07:47:26 AM
Y'all realize it's just about the clicks right?
That's kinda my point. Lunardi moves teams around just for the sake of putting out a new bracket, even if nothing supports the changes. Unfortunately that is how media works in today's world. Facts and reason fall way behind just getting something out to drive traffic. Facts, proofreading, well-reasoned analysis - all unnecessary distractions that slow the pace of content generation.
Tournament committee will be releasing their top 16 seeds in 30 minutes on CBS. I would think we are the top 2 seed right now if not the last 1 seed
Committee chair said Arizona is firmly in as the last one seed. Wasn't close with the fifth seed. Everyone had Arizona.
Get rid of the entire 12 member committee. All 12 members picked Zona #4???? What a bunch of excrement.
Time to step it up, win today, keep the mojo going, and usurp a #1 seed.
Quote from: Cream Biggums on February 17, 2024, 11:01:05 AM
Tournament committee will be releasing their top 16 seeds in 30 minutes on CBS. I would think we are the top 2 seed right now if not the last 1 seed
Wow all twelve on the committee agree on the top 4, and in order. Maybe a lot harder to crack the one seed than we thought
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 17, 2024, 11:42:57 AM
Wow all twelve on the committee agree on the top 4, and in order. Maybe a lot harder to crack the one seed than we thought
Bunch of nonsense. Based on the location.
7 wow didn't expect that.
#7???? #7????? Are you freaking kidding me???? Inexcusable.
7? Committee just completely ignoring game results.
UNC #5???? Oh.....okay.
We get no respect
Breathe.
UNC at 5 overall and Duke as a 3 seed are laughable. Someone tell those guys the ACC sucks.
Seth Davis said a win today should push us to the last number 1.
Jay Wright also surprised we weren't higher.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 17, 2024, 11:47:54 AM
UNC at 5 overall and Duke as a 3 seed are laughable. Someone tell those guys the ACC sucks.
This is a fking joke.
I stand by my original statement. Get rid of this entire 12 member committee.
I mean 7 with unc at 5 is just objectively incorrecr
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Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 17, 2024, 11:52:45 AM
I mean 7 with unc at 5 is just objectively incorrecr
I wonder who the Vice Chair is?
All you need to know is "all 12 members picked Arizona #4". This is essentially proof that these people are incompetent or do not watch college basketball. All 12? Really? Not one thought Marquette or Tennessee deserve that spot? That's just complete b-shiiite
On the 1st Official Reveal Marquette is a 2 Seed in the South Region. Tom Crean was in the ESPN Studio. Surprising to me believe they said North Carolina was the top 2 Seed is that correct
Fox Sports Bracketology Updated Friday February 16th by Mike DeCourcy. Marquette is listed as a 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Colgate . With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Utah State and 10 Seed Mississippi State In the South Dallas Region.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2024, 11:47:22 AM
Breathe.
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Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 11:57:25 AM
All you need to know is "all 12 members picked Arizona #4". This is essentially proof that these people are incompetent or do not watch college basketball. All 12? Really? Not one thought Marquette or Tennessee deserve that spot? That's just complete b-shiiite
Didn't CBS only show 5 teams on their lead in preview? MU, Purdue, Houston, UCONN and Arizona. Thought then we were for sure going to be 5 at least.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 11:57:25 AM
All you need to know is "all 12 members picked Arizona #4". This is essentially proof that these people are incompetent or do not watch college basketball. All 12? Really? Not one thought Marquette or Tennessee deserve that spot? That's just complete b-shiiite
Or..... they watch the games and look at the data without a Marquette bias.
Muggsy is going to introduce the committee to darkness.
Wisc. As a 4 seed? They lost 4 in a row
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 17, 2024, 12:01:19 PM
Didn't CBS only show 5 teams on their lead in preview? MU, Purdue, Houston, UCONN and Arizona. Thought then we were for sure going to be 5 at least.
That's correct CR.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2024, 12:01:41 PM
Or..... they watch the games and look at the data without a Marquette bias.
Except apparently they did not watch the Beavers punk Zona in Corvallis.
Man Muggs you get fired up over the most useless things.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2024, 12:01:41 PM
Or..... they watch the games and look at the data without a Marquette bias.
I don't see the argument for UNC over Marquette and TN, especially with the Q3 loss.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 12:07:04 PM
Except apparently they did not watch the Beavers punk Zona in Corvallis.
Is that like losing to Butler at home?
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2024, 12:01:41 PM
Or..... they watch the games and look at the data without a Marquette bias.
The fact that I am MU biased has 0.0 to do with this particular discussion. No one has a problem with Zona getting the fourth #1 seed, it's about it being unanimous. And UNC being #5 isn't arguable and is a total joke.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2024, 12:11:54 PM
Is that like losing to Butler at home?
Not nearly as bad. And they lost to Stanford.
Vander ... the " argument " for UNC is that they are UNC
UNC, PUKE and a few others will always get every " break " from the committee
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 12:07:04 PM
Except apparently they did not watch the Beavers punk Zona in Corvallis.
Or they saw it and take it into account along with all the other games and metrics.
All the non committee bracketology guts had Arizona as the final 1 seed.......this isn't bad or surprising.
Most thought MU was 5th or 6th overall and instead they have them at 7.......oh no! The horror!
Quote from: MuMark on February 17, 2024, 12:15:30 PM
Or they saw it and take it into account along with all the other games and metrics.
All the non committee bracketology guts had Arizona as the final 1 seed.......this isn't bad or surprising.
Most thought MU was 5th or 6th overall and instead they have them at 7.......oh no! The horror!
Yes. It is fair and this is all manufactured outrage.
Only really surprise is UNC as high as they were.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 12:12:42 PM
The fact that I am MU biased has 0.0 to do with this particular discussion. No one has a problem with Zona getting the fourth #1 seed, it's about it being unanimous. And UNC being #5 isn't arguable and is a total joke.
Take a look at the team sheets and explain why MU should clearly be ahead of UNC.
Not worth getting worked up over. Would need to win 2 games before having to worry about any of that anyway. Would be a great problem to have.
I'm not worked up about it at all.
Muggsy
That ranking will only make a win today taste a little better.
Quote from: wisblue on February 17, 2024, 12:21:23 PM
Take a look at the team sheets and explain why MU should clearly be ahead of UNC.
The Q3 loss is the difference.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2024, 12:29:09 PM
Muggsy
That ranking will only make a win today taste a little better.
Damn right Goose!!
Quote from: wisblue on February 17, 2024, 12:21:23 PM
Take a look at the team sheets and explain why MU should clearly be ahead of UNC.
I can make the argument but it's no big deal that they aren't.
MU has 1 more quad 1 A win and no quad 3 losses......committee said reason that they picked UNC 5th was because of their win over Tenn.......yet that was at home and MU's virtually identical best win over Kansas was in a neutral site.
MU also has a road win over Illinois which is getter than any road win for UNC. MU also higher in Strength of Record and Wins above bubble......2 of the biggest resume metrics.
But as I said 5th or 7th isn't a big deal.
Quote from: MuMark on February 17, 2024, 12:37:18 PM
I can make the argument but it's no big deal that they aren't.
MU has 1 more quad 1 A win and no quad 3 losses......committee said reason that they picked UNC 5th was because of their win over Tenn.......yet that was at home and MU's virtually identical best win over Kansas was in a neutral site.
MU also has a road win over Illinois which is getter than any road win for UNC. MU also higher in Strength of Record and Wins above bubble......2 of the biggest resume metrics.
But as I said 5th or 7th isn't a big deal.
Also, Nova beat them.
When does the committee announce their top 16? It's today, right?
Quote from: swoopem on February 17, 2024, 12:46:30 PM
When does the committee announce their top 16? It's today, right?
Marquette is 7th if I heard right on the Butler game cast.
Quote from: swoopem on February 17, 2024, 12:46:30 PM
When does the committee announce their top 16? It's today, right?
Yes it's been announced
https://x.com/gbrianbennett/status/1758912394586120679?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
The ACC is so weak I just done get the love. Didn't North Carolina just lose to Clemson, Syracuse and Georgia tech? Two of those are horrible teams.
NCAA hates MU
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 17, 2024, 12:56:11 PM
The ACC is so weak I just done get the love. Didn't North Carolina just lose to Clemson, Syracuse and Georgia tech? Two of those are horrible teams.
No way of knowing but it's possible they didn't factor in the Tuesday games......UNC loss and MU win.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 11:52:11 AM
I stand by my original statement. Get rid of this entire 12 member committee.
Let's go medieval on them!
Have any of the top 8 teams in the 16 team reveal fallen out come selection Sunday?
Quote from: MuMark on February 17, 2024, 12:37:18 PM
I can make the argument but it's no big deal that they aren't.
That's how I feel about it.
Actually, both teams are 6-4 in Q1 games now and they are very similar in many other measures.
MU will have a few chances to improve their position in the remaining games.
Quote from: wisblue on February 17, 2024, 01:17:24 PM
That's how I feel about it.
Actually, both teams are 6-4 in Q1 games now and they are very similar in many other measures.
MU will have a few chances to improve their position in the remaining games.
Yes but MU has 1 more quad 1A win......those are the really elite wins.
Brad seems to think they completed the top 16 before Tuesday games
https://x.com/brad_wachtel/status/1758914403649397148?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Badgers lose to another crappy big 10 team suppose they'll move up to a 3
After today, MU likely needs to win out in the regular season to be on the 2 line heading into the BE tournament. Not that it really matters.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 17, 2024, 04:43:01 PM
After today, MU likely needs to win out in the regular season to be on the 2 line heading into the BE tournament. Not that it really matters.
Yeah...no.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 17, 2024, 05:08:19 PM
Yeah...no.
Yeah, thats not right at all. Win 4 of the next 5 and we should pretty much be a lock on the 2 line.
1 is almost certainly off the table. We'd need to Win out, win BET, and have 1 of the top 4 stumble
Quote from: 1SE on February 17, 2024, 05:17:47 PM
Yeah, thats not right at all. Win 4 of the next 5 and we should pretty much be a lock on the 2 line.
1 is almost certainly off the table. We'd need to Win out, win BET, and have 1 of the top 4 stumble
Win out in the regular season and lose to UCONN in the BET and there's an outside shot of a 1.
Unlikely we do it, but would be fun to see.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 17, 2024, 04:43:01 PM
After today, MU likely needs to win out in the regular season to be on the 2 line heading into the BE tournament. Not that it really matters.
Wrong.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday February 16th before the UCONN Marquette game by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Oakland in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Oklahoma and 10 Seed New Mexico In the South Dallas Region.
I've seen 5 different bracketologists matching us up with Michigan State again in round 2 as of this morning.
A fun conversation starter. MSU is playing marginally better lately. Still not making threes but pushing the ball and using their size effectively on the boards. Their schedule down the stretch is manageable. They could win 4 of their last 5 and end their regular season at 21-10. I can see that landing them on the 6 or 7 line.
Quote from: tower912 on February 19, 2024, 09:17:41 AM
A fun conversation starter. MSU is playing marginally better lately. Still not making threes but pushing the ball and using their size effectively on the boards. Their schedule down the stretch is manageable. They could win 4 of their last 5 and end their regular season at 21-10. I can see that landing them on the 6 or 7 line.
watching the MI-MSU game I was thinking...man, I don't want to play Sparty in rd 2!
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday February 20th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Morehead Stare in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Michigan State and 10 Seed Mississippi State In the South Dallas Region.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 20, 2024, 11:39:53 AM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday February 20th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Morehead Stare in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Michigan State and 10 Seed Mississippi State In the South Dallas Region.
Is there a rule about playing the same team in the second round 2 years in a row? Just curious.
Quote from: MUbiz on February 20, 2024, 11:40:38 AM
Is there a rule about playing the same team in the second round 2 years in a row? Just curious.
There is not.
There is a principle (not a hard and fast rule) to try to avoid rematches from the prior year in the First Four and first round.
Quote from: wisblue on February 20, 2024, 11:54:15 AM
There is not.
There is a principle (not a hard and fast rule) to try to avoid rematches from the prior year in the First Four and first round.
They try to avoid rematches of the previous year and the regular season in the first weekend. But like you said, it's not a hard and fast rule. So they'll try to keep us away from Michigan State, but if that's how the chips fall, they can still line us up again.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2024, 12:01:10 PM
They try to avoid rematches of the previous year and the regular season in the first weekend. But like you said, it's not a hard and fast rule. So they'll try to keep us away from Michigan State, but if that's how the chips fall, they can still line us up again.
Thanks!
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2024, 12:01:10 PM
They try to avoid rematches of the previous year and the regular season in the first weekend. But like you said, it's not a hard and fast rule. So they'll try to keep us away from Michigan State, but if that's how the chips fall, they can still line us up again.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2023-03-09/how-field-68-di-mens-teams-picked-march-madness-each-season
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Have they updated the procedures from last year?
Last year's specifically say under item 3 under "Additional Considerations":
"3. If possible, rematches from the previous tournament
should be avoided in the First Four and first round."
an MSU-MU matchup would potentially occur in the second round, they can give us 7 seed MSU again if they want.
Quote from: wisblue on February 20, 2024, 01:39:41 PM
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2023-03-09/how-field-68-di-mens-teams-picked-march-madness-each-season
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Have they updated the procedures from last year?
Last year's specifically say under item 3 under "Additional Considerations":
"3. If possible, rematches from the previous tournament should be avoided in the First Four and first round."
It was in a document passed around in a chat I'm in over this past weekend. They include a point in there that says "the committee will attempt to avoid potential rematches from non-conference regular-season games in the second round." It's possible they changed that from also saying previous tournament meetings (it was definitely in there and a talking point for us this weekend) but I imagine either way it would be a lesser condition used when convenient but not mandatory.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2024, 04:08:29 PM
It was in a document passed around in a chat I'm in over this past weekend. They include a point in there that says "the committee will attempt to avoid potential rematches from non-conference regular-season games in the second round." It's possible they changed that from also saying previous tournament meetings (it was definitely in there and a talking point for us this weekend) but I imagine either way it would be a lesser condition used when convenient but not mandatory.
The point about nonconference rematches in the second round is in the document I attached as a "secondary consideration". (See point 1 under "Additional Considerations. " ) But there is nothing similar about rematches from last year's tournament in the second round.
Three days after the UConn beatdown, only a handful of the 108 bracketologists have MU at a 3; the rest have us at a 2. The composite still has us as the third 2, just a fraction behind UNC and a fraction ahead of Kansas ... but well ahead of the first 3 (Iowa State).
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on February 20, 2024, 02:40:00 PM
an MSU-MU matchup would potentially occur in the second round, they can give us 7 seed MSU again if they want.
That would mean MU would be a 2 seed in Indianapolis. Putting MSU there would be blasphemous but wouldn't put it past the committee.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 20, 2024, 11:43:45 PM
That would mean MU would be a 2 seed in Indianapolis. Putting MSU there would be blasphemous but wouldn't put it past the committee.
They put MSU as a 10 seed in Columbus last year - and they had a definite homer crowd for the MU game.
BIG is weak aside from Purdue and Illinois. Michigan State, Iowa, Northwestern, Indiana, Nebraska and Wisconsin are all very average. BUT, i'll take it to Vegas that we find ourselves with a BIG team in rd 2.
Do people think the committee has something against Marquette? Cause it feels like we manufacture outrage over the bracket every year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 21, 2024, 07:53:56 AM
Do people think the committee has something against Marquette? Cause it feels like we manufacture outrage over the bracket every year.
What doesn't scoop manufacture outrage over?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 21, 2024, 07:53:56 AM
Do people think the committee has something against Marquette? Cause it feels like we manufacture outrage over the bracket every year.
yes. It's a YOY understanding within the committee to screw Marquette ever since AL said no to the ncaa, then won the NIT. Old grudges never die.
Quote from: Viper on February 21, 2024, 07:57:31 AM
yes. It's a YOY understanding within the committee to screw Marquette ever since AL said no to the ncaa, then won the NIT. Old grudges never die.
I hope you're kidding.
I am going to pretend he is.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 21, 2024, 07:53:56 AM
Do people think the committee has something against Marquette? Cause it feels like we manufacture outrage over the bracket every year.
I don't think the committee is
trying to screw Marquette, but we've had incredibly bad fortune with our placement in the bracket over the past 15 years...
2009: 6 Marquette plays 11 Utah State in Boise, ID (11 seed is >1000 miles closer to site than 6 seed)
2010: 6 Marquette plays 11 Washington in San Jose, CA (11 seed is >1000 miles closer to site than 6 seed)
2011: 11 Marquette plays 6 Xavier in Cleveland, OH (I'd argue that it's incredibly rare for a 6 seed to play in their home state)
2012: 3 Marquette plays 14 BYU in Louisville, KY (BYU was the #48 overall seed - they should have been a 12, but can't play on Sunday, so we drew an opponent who was severely underseeded)
2012: 3 Marquette plays 6 Murray State in Louisville, KY (6 seed is in their home state against 3 seed)
2013: 3 Marquette plays 14 Davidson and 6 Butler in Lexington, KY (both lower seeds have a slight location advantage - Davidson is 120 miles closer, Butler is 240 miles closer)
2017: 10 Marquette plays 7 South Carolina in Greenville, SC (7 seed plays <100 miles from campus, in their home state)
2023: 2 Marquette plays 7 Michigan State in Columbus, OH (7 seed is 120 miles closer than 2 seed)
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 21, 2024, 07:53:56 AM
Do people think the committee has something against Marquette? Cause it feels like we manufacture outrage over the bracket every year.
they'll be just fine
Quote from: Viper on February 21, 2024, 07:52:31 AM
BIG is weak aside from Purdue and Illinois. Michigan State, Iowa, Northwestern, Indiana, Nebraska and Wisconsin are all very average. BUT, i'll take it to Vegas that we find ourselves with a BIG team in rd 2.
Probably three of those teams won't even make the tourney. Looking like five from the Big1418Ten. So only 1.25 teams per Regional...
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 21, 2024, 09:32:50 AM
Probably three of those teams won't even make the tourney. Looking like five from the Big1418Ten. So only 1.25 teams per Regional...
They might be weak but they sure have had out number. I'll be honest I want no part of them. I don't want a rematch against Wisconsin because I think there is some mental hurdle that the team cannot get over. Chances are almost 0 that a rematch happens but I would not be happy if it did.
Quote from: IL Warrior on February 21, 2024, 09:21:17 AM
I don't think the committee is trying to screw Marquette, but we've had incredibly bad fortune with our placement in the bracket over the past 15 years...
2009: 6 Marquette plays 11 Utah State in Boise, ID (11 seed is >1000 miles closer to site than 6 seed)
2010: 6 Marquette plays 11 Washington in San Jose, CA (11 seed is >1000 miles closer to site than 6 seed)
2011: 11 Marquette plays 6 Xavier in Cleveland, OH (I'd argue that it's incredibly rare for a 6 seed to play in their home state)
2012: 3 Marquette plays 14 BYU in Louisville, KY (BYU was the #48 overall seed - they should have been a 12, but can't play on Sunday, so we drew an opponent who was severely underseeded)
2012: 3 Marquette plays 6 Murray State in Louisville, KY (6 seed is in their home state against 3 seed)
2013: 3 Marquette plays 14 Davidson and 6 Butler in Lexington, KY (both lower seeds have a slight location advantage - Davidson is 120 miles closer, Butler is 240 miles closer)
2017: 10 Marquette plays 7 South Carolina in Greenville, SC (7 seed plays <100 miles from campus, in their home state)
2023: 2 Marquette plays 7 Michigan State in Columbus, OH (7 seed is 120 miles closer than 2 seed)
This exactly what I mean. None of these seem really ridiculous - outside perhaps South Carolina in Greenville or Murray State in Louisville. And I have no idea if they are actually outliers when compared to how the NCAA usually does business.
I mean, complaining about BYU and playing Washington in San Jose? Or Utah State anywhere?
Quote from: IL Warrior on February 21, 2024, 09:21:17 AM
I don't think the committee is trying to screw Marquette, but we've had incredibly bad fortune with our placement in the bracket over the past 15 years...
2009: 6 Marquette plays 11 Utah State in Boise, ID (11 seed is >1000 miles closer to site than 6 seed)
2010: 6 Marquette plays 11 Washington in San Jose, CA (11 seed is >1000 miles closer to site than 6 seed)
2011: 11 Marquette plays 6 Xavier in Cleveland, OH (I'd argue that it's incredibly rare for a 6 seed to play in their home state)
2012: 3 Marquette plays 14 BYU in Louisville, KY (BYU was the #48 overall seed - they should have been a 12, but can't play on Sunday, so we drew an opponent who was severely underseeded)
2012: 3 Marquette plays 6 Murray State in Louisville, KY (6 seed is in their home state against 3 seed)
2013: 3 Marquette plays 14 Davidson and 6 Butler in Lexington, KY (both lower seeds have a slight location advantage - Davidson is 120 miles closer, Butler is 240 miles closer)
2017: 10 Marquette plays 7 South Carolina in Greenville, SC (7 seed plays <100 miles from campus, in their home state)
2023: 2 Marquette plays 7 Michigan State in Columbus, OH (7 seed is 120 miles closer than 2 seed)
The Davidson one and Butler one is a bit of a stretch. As is BYU.
The others I'll give you.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 21, 2024, 09:40:58 AM
The Davidson one and Butler one is a bit of a stretch. As is BYU.
The others I'll give you.
BYU absolutely was a tough break. They were not a 14.
On the flip side tho, we were a brutal match up for them and ineveitably destroyed them.
Quote from: IL Warrior on February 21, 2024, 09:21:17 AM
I don't think the committee is trying to screw Marquette, but we've had incredibly bad fortune with our placement in the bracket over the past 15 years...
2009: 6 Marquette plays 11 Utah State in Boise, ID (11 seed is >1000 miles closer to site than 6 seed)
2010: 6 Marquette plays 11 Washington in San Jose, CA (11 seed is >1000 miles closer to site than 6 seed)
2011: 11 Marquette plays 6 Xavier in Cleveland, OH (I'd argue that it's incredibly rare for a 6 seed to play in their home state)
2012: 3 Marquette plays 14 BYU in Louisville, KY (BYU was the #48 overall seed - they should have been a 12, but can't play on Sunday, so we drew an opponent who was severely underseeded)
2012: 3 Marquette plays 6 Murray State in Louisville, KY (6 seed is in their home state against 3 seed)
2013: 3 Marquette plays 14 Davidson and 6 Butler in Lexington, KY (both lower seeds have a slight location advantage - Davidson is 120 miles closer, Butler is 240 miles closer)
2017: 10 Marquette plays 7 South Carolina in Greenville, SC (7 seed plays <100 miles from campus, in their home state)
2023: 2 Marquette plays 7 Michigan State in Columbus, OH (7 seed is 120 miles closer than 2 seed)
Great analysis. I recalled getting screwed more often than not but this does a great job of summarizing it.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 21, 2024, 09:44:19 AM
Great analysis. I recalled getting screwed more often than not but this does a great job of summarizing it.
Only for those with a victim complex.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 21, 2024, 09:43:44 AM
BYU absolutely was a tough break. They were not a 14.
On the flip side tho, we were a brutal match up for them and ineveitably destroyed them.
The BYU team that scraped by Iona in the play in game after being down almost 30? Yeah not sold on that one.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 21, 2024, 09:48:03 AM
Only for those with a victim complex.
I do not think they are doing it on purpose. How of many of these games were you at? Sucks to be the better seed and attend an away game. That is all I am saying.
And we wonder why our fanbase has the national reputation that it does, complaining about this a decade + later. You think the Pitt and Kentucky fans are still complaining about having to play us in Minneapolis. Unless the higher seeded teams start playing in their home arena it's not going to be a perfect system, sometimes it benefits you, sometimes it doesn't. That's life.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 21, 2024, 09:51:46 AM
I do not think they are doing it on purpose. How of many of these games were you at? Sucks to be the better seed and attend an away game. That is all I am saying.
If you go back in the discussion, that's the entire point. The NCAA isn't out to get Marquette. These are just unfortunate coincidences. And really not worth complaining about.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 21, 2024, 09:55:44 AM
And we wonder why our fanbase has the national reputation that it does, complaining about this a decade + later. You think the Pitt and Kentucky fans are still complaining about having to play us in Minneapolis. Unless the higher seeded teams start playing in their home arena it's not going to be a perfect system, sometimes it benefits you, sometimes it doesn't. That's life.
Amen.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 21, 2024, 09:55:44 AM
And we wonder why our fanbase has the national reputation that it does, complaining about this a decade + later. You think the Pitt and Kentucky fans are still complaining about having to play us in Minneapolis. Unless the higher seeded teams start playing in their home arena it's not going to be a perfect system, sometimes it benefits you, sometimes it doesn't. That's life.
As a seasoned traveler not once has anyone said to me Marquette fans have a national reputation of complaining. No idea where you are getting that from. Every fan base complains. It is what they do.
Regarding Minneapolis, I was amazed how Badgers fans cheered for us both against Pitt and Kentucky. It really was an away game for both teams. Definitely got a huge advantage that year.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 21, 2024, 09:55:44 AM
And we wonder why our fanbase has the national reputation that it does, complaining about this a decade + later. You think the Pitt and Kentucky fans are still complaining about having to play us in Minneapolis. Unless the higher seeded teams start playing in their home arena it's not going to be a perfect system, sometimes it benefits you, sometimes it doesn't. That's life.
Probably. It's what fanbases do -- or at least portions of fanbases. I don't think Marquette is unique in that regard. Remember that there are more people in this thread challenging the notion that the committee is intentionally screwing MU than supporting it.
I think when you lose in the tournament, it's easy to find reasons you got a bad draw. Similar to pointing to officials in a loss.
If anyone had the time to do it, I'm guessing you could compile a similar list for a lot of teams to point out how their placement in the tournament is biased against them.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 21, 2024, 09:55:44 AM
And we wonder why our fanbase has the national reputation that it does, complaining about this a decade + later.
Oh my God. One writer bitched about Marquette fans 5 years ago on twitter and our reputation is irredeemably broken.
Wanna know our rep? Passionate, travel well, drink like fish.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 21, 2024, 11:09:58 AM
Oh my God. One writer bitched about Marquette fans 5 years ago on twitter and our reputation is irredeemably broken.
Wanna know our rep? Passionate, travel well, drink like fish.
And blog well. I've heard multiple unaffiliated podcasts reference Paint Touches and Cracked Sidewalks... not so much Anonymous Eagle
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 21, 2024, 11:09:58 AM
Oh my God. One writer bitched about Marquette fans 5 years ago on twitter and our reputation is irredeemably broken.
Wanna know our rep? Passionate, travel well, drink like fish.
The fact that this discussion is even happening proves that reputation though.
We're in the middle of arguably the best 24 month stretch in almost half a century, ranked 7th in the country, spent most of the year in the top 10 and this is what folks are talking about.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 21, 2024, 11:12:47 AM
And blog well. I've heard multiple unaffiliated podcasts reference Paint Touches and Cracked Sidewalks... not so much Anonymous Eagle
Right, definitely known as one of the most analytics knowledgeable in the league, if not nationally.
I guess people will make up whatever rep fits their narrative, but the reality is MU's support is really well thought of nationally.
Quote from: tower912 on February 21, 2024, 08:06:04 AM
I am going to pretend he is.
Tower/Sultan, you are wound tight. relax...chill...enjoy a cold one.
Were you serious or joking? I think you were joking.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 21, 2024, 09:39:08 AM
This exactly what I mean. None of these seem really ridiculous - outside perhaps South Carolina in Greenville or Murray State in Louisville. And I have no idea if they are actually outliers when compared to how the NCAA usually does business.
I mean, complaining about BYU and playing Washington in San Jose? Or Utah State anywhere?
Greenville got the site late after a political correctness reassignment which actually screwed Duke more. But the MU game was 90% Gamecocks. There was something with Davidson's low seed too in Lexington where they got a 14.
As to the location assignments, this is why I stress the importance of winning games in conference and BET. It makes it hard for the selection committee to put MU into a worse location, especially with Kansas and the B1G champion always getting our preferred geography.
The NCAA considers the Big East east (remembering MU was the first BET champion west of Pittsburgh).
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2024, 11:54:22 AM
Greenville got the site late after a political correctness reassignment which actually screwed Duke more. But the MU game was 90% Gamecocks. There was something with Davidson's low seed too in Lexington where they got a 14.
As to the location assignments, this is why I stress the importance of winning games in conference and BET. It makes it hard for the selection committee to put MU into a worse location, especially with Kansas and the B1G champion always getting our preferred geography.
The NCAA considers the Big East east (remembering MU was the first BET champion west of Pittsburgh).
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2024, 11:54:22 AM
Greenville got the site late after a political correctness reassignment which actually screwed Duke more. But the MU game was 90% Gamecocks. There was something with Davidson's low seed too in Lexington where they got a 14.
As to the location assignments, this is why I stress the importance of winning games in conference and BET. It makes it hard for the selection committee to put MU into a worse location, especially with Kansas and the B1G champion always getting our preferred geography.
The NCAA considers the Big East east (remembering MU was the first BET champion west of Pittsburgh).
I was wondering if this is why Lunardi was placing us in Pittsburgh instead of Omaha.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 21, 2024, 11:54:22 AM
Greenville got the site late after a political correctness reassignment which actually screwed Duke more. But the MU game was 90% Gamecocks. There was something with Davidson's low seed too in Lexington where they got a 14.
As to the location assignments, this is why I stress the importance of winning games in conference and BET. It makes it hard for the selection committee to put MU into a worse location, especially with Kansas and the B1G champion always getting our preferred geography.
The NCAA considers the Big East east (remembering MU was the first BET champion west of Pittsburgh).
What do you mean "considers the Big East east?" I didn't think conference affiliation had anything to do with placement any longer.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 21, 2024, 09:39:08 AM
I mean, complaining about BYU and playing Washington in San Jose? Or Utah State anywhere?
I agree you should be able to handle Utah State anywhere but I just would like to note that Utah State crowd was the most hostile crowd I've ever seen in person at a Marquette game.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 21, 2024, 12:36:34 PM
I agree you should be able to handle Utah State anywhere but I just would like to note that Utah State crowd was the most hostile crowd I've ever seen in person at a Marquette game.
Well, The Legend was coaching that game.
The committee hates MU, like Muggs said let's get rid of them. Introduce them to darkness.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 21, 2024, 12:36:34 PM
I agree you should be able to handle Utah State anywhere but I just would like to note that Utah State crowd was the most hostile crowd I've ever seen in person at a Marquette game.
Agree was at that Big Dance NCAA Marquette Utah State game in Boise
Marquette's free throws throw off Utah State
Lazar Hayward scored 26 points and Marquette made 10 straight free throws down the stretch to hold off Utah State
58-57 Friday in the first round of the West Regional.
Joe Lunardi ESPN on Thursday February 22nd had Marquette as #7 on his S Curve and a #2 Seed in the Midwest Region
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday February 23rd by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Morehead State in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Washington State and 10 Seed Northwestern In the Midwest Detroit Region.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 23, 2024, 10:14:26 AM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday February 23rd by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Morehead State in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Washington State and 10 Seed Northwestern In the Midwest Detroit Region.
I take these worth a grain of salt. 7 seed Washington state after beating Arizona on the road. Sure
Great, another Big 10 matchup in round 2? The committee hates us and knows Shaka can't beat Big 10 teams (except Illinois)
Pretty solid 2 at present. With 5 left + BET, can we sneak onto the 1 line? Win out and BET final appearance?
Quote from: MUFC9295 on February 23, 2024, 04:45:35 PM
Pretty solid 2 at present. With 5 left + BET, can we sneak onto the 1 line? Win out and BET final appearance?
Would be a very good chance of a 1. But I don't see that happening. I think we likely lose at least 2 more games (including the BET) and wind up with a 2 seed.
Quote from: MUFC9295 on February 23, 2024, 04:45:35 PM
Pretty solid 2 at present. With 5 left + BET, can we sneak onto the 1 line? Win out and BET final appearance?
I don't think that would do it. We need a conference title to get there. Whether that means sharing with UConn (beat them at home and get some help) or winning the Big East Tourney.
With Arizona's loss, while they might still be on the 1-line now, I suspect they will get passed by UNC or Tennessee. Marquette could also get there, but I think it will take hardware. Our metrics alone aren't good enough and the Selection Committee has indicated the past two years they really reward conference champs more than their guidelines indicate.
Could a 9-11 OSU team likely steal a spot from one of our BE Bubble Boys? Or how far would they have to go in the BTT? Not in many brackets now or even bubble watches, but 3Q1A wins and NET in the 50s would probably end up being a pretty comparable resume to Prov or or SH.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 23, 2024, 05:42:49 PM
I don't think that would do it. We need a conference title to get there. Whether that means sharing with UConn (beat them at home and get some help) or winning the Big East Tourney.
With Arizona's loss, while they might still be on the 1-line now, I suspect they will get passed by UNC or Tennessee. Marquette could also get there, but I think it will take hardware. Our metrics alone aren't good enough and the Selection Committee has indicated the past two years they really reward conference champs more than their guidelines indicate.
I think the top seeds got "hardware" because usually the 4 top teams in the country are the best teams in their country. I find it hard to believe the Selection Committee saw Houston's winning the AAC or Gonzaga's winning the WCC as a big point of emphasis.
If Duke wins the ACC and someone other than UNC wins the conference tournament, WSU wins the Pac 12 regular season and someone other than AZ wins the tournament, Bama wins the SEC and someone other than TN wins the tournament, and Purdue, Houston, and UCONN all win their conference regular season and tournament titles, I don't think you're going to see one of WSU, Bama, Duke, or some mid major conference winner getting a 1 seed.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday February 27th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Sam Houston in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Texas Tech and 10 Seed Nevada In the Midwest Detroit Region.
Quote from: 1SE on February 27, 2024, 05:20:36 AM
Could a 9-11 OSU team likely steal a spot from one of our BE Bubble Boys? Or how far would they have to go in the BTT? Not in many brackets now or even bubble watches, but 3Q1A wins and NET in the 50s would probably end up being a pretty comparable resume to Prov or or SH.
Seton Hall is 11-5 in a better conference.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 27, 2024, 09:15:12 AM
I think the top seeds got "hardware" because usually the 4 top teams in the country are the best teams in their country. I find it hard to believe the Selection Committee saw Houston's winning the AAC or Gonzaga's winning the WCC as a big point of emphasis.
If Duke wins the ACC and someone other than UNC wins the conference tournament, WSU wins the Pac 12 regular season and someone other than AZ wins the tournament, Bama wins the SEC and someone other than TN wins the tournament, and Purdue, Houston, and UCONN all win their conference regular season and tournament titles, I don't think you're going to see one of WSU, Bama, Duke, or some mid major conference winner getting a 1 seed.
Last year on Selection Sunday, Baylor had a better predictive average, better resume average, more Q1A wins, and more Q1 wins than Marquette. They had more losses, but all were in Q1 while Marquette had a Q3 loss. Yet Marquette was a 2-seed and Baylor a 3 and the Selection Committee chair specifically cited Marquette's double Big East championships.
At the reveal this year, UNC was ahead of Tennessee and Marquette, though the broad consensus was that UNC was going to be 7th on the S-Curve. But at the time, UNC was the only one of those three teams leading their conference.
San Diego State was widely considered to be a 5-seed going into the Reveal, yet they were not only on the 4-line, but were at #14, well ahead of where pretty much anyone had them. What did they have that teams like Clemson, Illinois, and Wisconsin, all of whom were generally considered to be ahead of the Aztecs, but the Aztecs were leading a conference projected to get 5-6 bids.
I'm not saying that's the only factor. WSU isn't going to jump ahead of teams with clearly superior resumes. But if it's close, like it was for Baylor and Marquette, or like it was for UNC, Tennessee, and Marquette, I absolutely, 100% think it will make a difference and we have clear data to back that up.
We need to win our for the 1 including the BET.
But the low 1 vs the high 2 not really material. It would just be nice to be there.
What in trying to figure out is how does the BE get 6-7 teams in (without MU losing of course😁). Is there a reasonable path? Someone has to lose?
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 27, 2024, 12:09:09 PM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday February 27th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Sam Houston in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Texas Tech and 10 Seed Nevada In the Midwest Detroit Region.
Sign me up for that draw.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 27, 2024, 07:01:40 PM
We need to win our for the 1 including the BET.
But the low 1 vs the high 2 not really material. It would just be nice to be there.
What in trying to figure out is how does the BE get 6-7 teams in (without MU losing of course😁). Is there a reasonable path? Someone has to lose?
Guessing
Butler over X SJU & and DePaul may get them in with the away wins at MU & Creighton
X probs needs to win BE tournament.
SJU obviously needs to not throw away a game against GTown or DPU to even have an outside shot.
SH and PC don't crap away anything, I think they're all in.
Can't decide on Nova.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 27, 2024, 07:01:40 PM
We need to win our for the 1 including the BET.
But the low 1 vs the high 2 not really material. It would just be nice to be there.
What in trying to figure out is how does the BE get 6-7 teams in (without MU losing of course😁). Is there a reasonable path? Someone has to lose?
Hmm...without Marquette losing...let's see...
- UConn - locked in, so losing all three would be beneficial. But reality is they probably at least beat SHU at home. Let's say they go 1-2, beating SHU and losing at Marquette and Providence. Still a likely 1-seed.
- Marquette - You said without us losing, so going 4-0, coupled with the UConn loss at Providence gives us a shared title and the 1-seed in the BET. 1-seed once we also win the BET.
- Creighton - They're not going to lose out, but we'll give them a win over SHU at home, then lose to Marquette and lose at 'Nova. Still probably a 4-6 seed.
- Seton Hall - If they're losing to UConn and Creighton, they need to beat 'Nova and DePaul. Getting to 20 wins with two wins over 1-seeds will probably get them in, though it may be Dayton.
- Providence - Lose at Marquette, lose to 'Nova, beat Georgetown and UConn. That last one would probably punch their ticket. Bubbly, maybe Dayton, but in.
- Villanova - Wins over Providence and Creighton, even with the loss to Seton Hall, will have them right on the bubble. They would be advised not to take a bad loss in their BET opener, because that last bad impression on Wednesday can hurt, but they'll be right there.
- Butler - St. John's beating Creighton at home was nice and all, but if Butler can beat the Johnnies and win out, they have the better case thanks to their awesome road wins. If there's a 7th bid, it's them and not the Johnnies.
I'd give a scenario for an 8th bid, but you said "without Marquette losing" so no one else can get the BET, sorry Xavier and white suit Rick Pitino.
The Baylor vs Marquette placement last year had the extra factor of the lopsided head to head game.
In a final scrubbing with MU and Baylor sitting in the 8 and 9 slots, that head to head game might have been a factor in addition to the conference championships.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 27, 2024, 07:01:40 PM
We need to win our for the 1 including the BET.
But the low 1 vs the high 2 not really material. It would just be nice to be there.
What in trying to figure out is how does the BE get 6-7 teams in (without MU losing of course😁). Is there a reasonable path? Someone has to lose?
I just don't see winning out in the BET to be a factor. If we go 4-0 to close the year they are going to be at minimum the final 1 seed heading into the conference tournament. Then based on what others do and who they beat but the thing working against an Arizona or North Carolina is that there are no resume building teams to beat. If Arizona loses another game before the tournament I believe they will be eliminated from contention. North Carolina will lose to Duke and eliminate them as well. Its going to come down to Tennesee and Marquette.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 28, 2024, 07:04:32 AM
I just don't see winning out in the BET to be a factor. If we go 4-0 to close the year they are going to be at minimum the final 1 seed heading into the conference tournament. Then based on what others do and who they beat but the thing working against an Arizona or North Carolina is that there are no resume building teams to beat. If Arizona loses another game before the tournament I believe they will be eliminated from contention. North Carolina will lose to Duke and eliminate them as well. Its going to come down to Tennesee and Marquette.
You continue to get this backwards no matter how many times it's explained to you, MU games do not occur in a vacuum. There's a chance that 4-0 would put us there, but it is not a "at a minimum" situation. For example (again), if Tenn also goes 4-0 they would remain ahead of us.
It's also incredibly foolish IMO to talk about hypotheticals where you assume we go undefeated and also assume that other top teams will lose. Of course if we win out, and UNC/AZ rack up losses we'll jump them.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 28, 2024, 07:18:43 AM
You continue to get this backwards no matter how many times it's explained to you, MU games do not occur in a vacuum. There's a chance that 4-0 would put us there, but it is not a "at a minimum" situation. For example (again), if Tenn also goes 4-0 they would remain ahead of us.
It's also incredibly foolish IMO to talk about hypotheticals where you assume we go undefeated and also assume that other top teams will lose. Of course if we win out, and UNC/AZ rack up losses we'll jump them.
I understand perfectly how this works. And yes me saying we go 4-0 assumes that others wont. What people are failing to understand is that Arizona and North Carolina can only hurt their resumes moving forward. Tennessee is the only team imo as I have stated 10 times in the last week that has a chance to overtake our spot if we win out. Tennessee is not winning out given their schedule which is why I'm writing this the way that I am. Obviously marquette could go 0-4 and every other team could go 4-0, but im writing with what I believe will happen.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 28, 2024, 07:32:53 AM
I understand perfectly how this works. And yes me saying we go 4-0 assumes that others wont. What people are failing to understand is that Arizona and North Carolina can only hurt their resumes moving forward. Tennessee is the only team imo as I have stated 10 times in the last week that has a chance to overtake our spot if we win out. Tennessee is not winning out given their schedule which is why I'm writing this the way that I am. Obviously marquette could go 0-4 and every other team could go 4-0, but im writing with what I believe will happen.
You clearly don't since you are again mixing hypotheticals with facts.
HowardsWorld you are right....DJOver you are also right. "He's right and he's right they can't both be right.....you know you are also right!". 😁
I was surprised to see Wisconsin as a 5 seed in the latest bracketology. No wins against ranked opponents (Marquette excluded.... Motherf****er), and losses to Michigan, Indiana, Penn State...
I was expecting them to be closer to the bubble.
Quote from: Efficient Frontier on February 28, 2024, 08:06:00 AM
I was surprised to see Wisconsin as a 5 seed in the latest bracketology. No wins against ranked opponents (Marquette excluded.... Motherf****er), and losses to Michigan, Indiana, Penn State...
I was expecting them to be closer to the bubble.
Need to get to 68 teams somehow and if you read scoop, everybody sucks
When the preliminary reveal came out, we were 7th on the S-curve, that means we need to pass all of AZ, UNC, and Tenn. Since the reveal, UNC and Tenn are undefeated with UNC adding 1 Q1 and 2 Q2 wins, and Tenn adding a Q4, Q3, and Q2 win. AZ added a Q3 and Q2 win and picked up a Q2 loss. We picked up a Q1 loss, a Q4 win and a Q2 win. The only one that we've potentially made up any ground on would be AZ.
Further, as the committee showed by placing UNC 5th as well as our getting a 2 seed last year, conference regular season titles and conference tournament titles matter. We do not control our own destiny in the conference regular season. UNC, AZ and Tenn do.
Our schedule to close the regular season consists of 3 Q1 games and a Q2 game. UNC finished with 2 Q3 and a Q1. Tenn finishes with 4 Q1 games. Given that we were behind both at the reveal and have since lost while they are both still undefeated we absolutely do not control our own destiny to get a 1 seed making this
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 28, 2024, 07:04:32 AM
If we go 4-0 to close the year they are going to be at minimum the final 1 seed heading into the conference tournament.
false.
Even with a weak Pac 12 AZ closes with 4 Q2 games. Losses there would hurt and leave the door open for us to pass them, but if they run the table to close out the regular season I would speculate that we'd still be behind them too.
The good news is that since the reveal I would argue that we've put more ground between us as Kansas with their loss last night, although they have picked up a Q1 win since the reveal. That would mean that if any of the current 3's get really hot over the next few weeks (Bama still controls their own destiny for the SEC regular season), Kansas would be the more likely to get bumped to a 3 at this point.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 28, 2024, 08:27:18 AM
When the preliminary reveal came out, we were 7th on the S-curve, that means we need to pass all of AZ, UNC, and Tenn. Since the reveal, UNC and Tenn are undefeated with UNC adding 1 Q1 and 2 Q2 wins, and Tenn adding a Q4, Q3, and Q2 win. AZ added a Q3 and Q2 win and picked up a Q2 loss. We picked up a Q1 loss, a Q4 win and a Q2 win. The only one that we've potentially made up any ground on would be AZ.
Further, as the committee showed by placing UNC 5th as well as our getting a 2 seed last year, conference regular season titles and conference tournament titles matter. We do not control our own destiny in the conference regular season. UNC, AZ and Tenn do.
Our schedule to close the regular season consists of 3 Q1 games and a Q2 game. UNC finished with 2 Q3 and a Q1. Tenn finishes with 4 Q1 games. Given that we were behind both at the reveal and have since lost while they are both still undefeated we absolutely do not control our own destiny to get a 1 seed making this
false.
Even with a weak Pac 12 AZ closes with 4 Q2 games. Losses there would hurt and leave the door open for us to pass them, but if they run the table to close out the regular season I would speculate that we'd still be behind them too.
The good news is that since the reveal I would argue that we've put more ground between us as Kansas with their loss last night, although they have picked up a Q1 win since the reveal. That would mean that if any of the current 3's get really hot over the next few weeks (Bama still controls their own destiny for the SEC regular season), Kansas would be the more likely to get bumped to a 3 at this point.
It's this kind of analysis that I point to when I justify the cost of my Scoop subscription. Good stuff.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 28, 2024, 08:27:18 AM
When the preliminary reveal came out, we were 7th on the S-curve, that means we need to pass all of AZ, UNC, and Tenn. Since the reveal, UNC and Tenn are undefeated with UNC adding 1 Q1 and 2 Q2 wins, and Tenn adding a Q4, Q3, and Q2 win. AZ added a Q3 and Q2 win and picked up a Q2 loss. We picked up a Q1 loss, a Q4 win and a Q2 win. The only one that we've potentially made up any ground on would be AZ.
Further, as the committee showed by placing UNC 5th as well as our getting a 2 seed last year, conference regular season titles and conference tournament titles matter. We do not control our own destiny in the conference regular season. UNC, AZ and Tenn do.
Our schedule to close the regular season consists of 3 Q1 games and a Q2 game. UNC finished with 2 Q3 and a Q1. Tenn finishes with 4 Q1 games. Given that we were behind both at the reveal and have since lost while they are both still undefeated we absolutely do not control our own destiny to get a 1 seed making this
false.
Even with a weak Pac 12 AZ closes with 4 Q2 games. Losses there would hurt and leave the door open for us to pass them, but if they run the table to close out the regular season I would speculate that we'd still be behind them too.
The good news is that since the reveal I would argue that we've put more ground between us as Kansas with their loss last night, although they have picked up a Q1 win since the reveal. That would mean that if any of the current 3's get really hot over the next few weeks (Bama still controls their own destiny for the SEC regular season), Kansas would be the more likely to get bumped to a 3 at this point.
There was some thought that the seeds for the reveal were already complete before UNC lost to GT.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 28, 2024, 09:06:02 AM
There was some thought that the seeds for the reveal were already complete before UNC lost to GT.
Do you mean Syracuse? UNC lost to GT on Jan 30, the reveal came out on Feb 17th.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 28, 2024, 09:11:04 AM
Do you mean Syracuse? UNC lost to GT on Jan 30, the reveal came out on Feb 17th.
Georgia Tech
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 28, 2024, 09:32:22 AM
Georgia Tech
Yes. UNC lost to Georgia Tech... on January 30th. Well before the reveal and was no doubt included.
They also lost to Syracuse on February 13th. 4 days before the reveal. That is the result that may be in question regarding if it was included in the reveal or not.
I guess, unless we get a definitive answer from the committee (which we won't), I'm just basing things off of events before the actual reveal and after, otherwise the speculation becomes a lot more difficult. Did they include our Q1 win @Butler on Feb 13? Did they include Kansas' loss to Texas Tech on the 12th? IDK for sure, so I'm just assuming that they did.
If we win the rest of our games through April 8, there is a 100% chance that we're the national champions.
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2024, 10:50:29 AM
If we win the rest of our games through April 8, there is a 100% chance that we're the national champions.
To be fair if we go 0-5 and then win 100% of our games after that there would also be a 100% chance that we're national champions.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 28, 2024, 11:02:50 AM
To be fair if we go 0-5 and then win 100% of our games after that there would also be a 100% chance that we're national champions.
Both are true! Ball-knowers unite!!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 28, 2024, 11:02:50 AM
To be fair if we go 0-5 and then win 100% of our games after that there would also be a 100% chance that we're national champions.
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Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2024, 10:50:29 AM
If we win the rest of our games through April 8, there is a 100% chance that we're the national champions.
The chance of us winning April 8th is about as likely as the Sun getting blotted out of the sky that same day!
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 28, 2024, 02:08:48 PM
The chance of us winning April 8th is about as likely as the Sun getting blotted out of the sky that same day!
It's only a partial eclipse in Glendale 8-)
Marquette wins, Tennessee wins, Arizona wins. Tennessee most likely moved up to the 1 line after last nights win. They have 3 more tough games to close the season. I think that we are in a good place regardless of seed now. If Tennessee takes the 1 seed out west, more than likely Arizona will be that number 2 out there. They will be the 2 out there regardless of the 1 seed imo. That means Marquette would go to Indy now instead of Texas.
It seemed like the consensus was Tennessee slotted higher that Marquette was forcing them to Dallas in Houston's Region. If Tennessee gets the 1 seed it would open up the 2 in Purdue's region.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 29, 2024, 06:52:09 AM
Marquette wins, Tennessee wins, Arizona wins. Tennessee most likely moved up to the 1 line after last nights win. They have 3 more tough games to close the season. I think that we are in a good place regardless of seed now. If Tennessee takes the 1 seed out west, more than likely Arizona will be that number 2 out there. They will be the 2 out there regardless of the 1 seed imo. That means Marquette would go to Indy now instead of Texas.
It seemed like the consensus was Tennessee slotted higher that Marquette was forcing them to Dallas in Houston's Region. If Tennessee gets the 1 seed it would open up the 2 in Purdue's region.
The problem remains that the Big 12 will have a 2 seed (Kansas/Iowa St) that can't be placed in the South with Houston. Here's an example:
4. Tennessee 1 West
5. UNC 2 East
6. Arizona 2 West
7. Marquette 2 South
8. Kansas/Iowa St 2 Midwest
Marquette would have a better chance at the Midwest if UNC gets the last 1 seed and Tennessee is the top 2 seed. Then this scenario would play out:
4. UNC 1 West
5. Tennessee 2 South
6. Arizona 2 West
7. Kansas/Iowa State 2 East
8. Marquette 2 Midwest
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 29, 2024, 07:16:40 AM
The problem remains that the Big 12 will have a 2 seed (Kansas/Iowa St) that can't be placed in the South with Houston. Here's an example:
4. Tennessee 1 West
5. UNC 2 East
6. Arizona 2 West
7. Marquette 2 South
8. Kansas/Iowa St 2 Midwest
Marquette would have a better chance at the Midwest if UNC gets the last 1 seed and Tennessee is the top 2 seed. Then this scenario would play out:
4. UNC 1 West
5. Tennessee 2 South
6. Arizona 2 West
7. Kansas/Iowa State 2 East
8. Marquette 2 Midwest
I thought the rule was that if a conference team played 3x it could not be in the same bracket unless they were to meet no earlier than in the regional final. If what you are saying is true which im sure it is then yes it gets tricky.
I believe this is the rule:
Teams are spread out according to conference. The first three teams within the top 4 seeded lines selected from each conference must be placed in different regions When a conference has more than three teams in the tournament, the committee tries to seed the teams so that they cannot meet until the regional final.
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 29, 2024, 08:05:24 AM
I believe this is the rule:
Teams are spread out according to conference. The first three teams within the top 4 seeded lines selected from each conference must be placed in different regions When a conference has more than three teams in the tournament, the committee tries to seed the teams so that they cannot meet until the regional final.
Correct.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 28, 2024, 09:11:04 AM
Do you mean Syracuse? UNC lost to GT on Jan 30, the reveal came out on Feb 17th.
Yeah, I meant Syracuse. My fault.
According to BPI, MU has the 2nd hardest remaining SOS in D1.
Kansas 8th, Tenn. 9th, Duke 34th, UNC 75th, AZ 77th.
Who has it tougher?
Quote from: tower912 on February 29, 2024, 12:39:49 PM
Who has it tougher?
Obviously Purdue. They play juggernaut Wisconsin at home.
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 29, 2024, 08:05:24 AM
I believe this is the rule:
Teams are spread out according to conference. The first three teams within the top 4 seeded lines selected from each conference must be placed in different regions When a conference has more than three teams in the tournament, the committee tries to seed the teams so that they cannot meet until the regional final.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2023-03-09/how-field-68-di-mens-teams-picked-march-madness-each-season
Unless they have changed it this year it's the first FOUR teams from a conference that are in the first 4 seed lines that are placed in different regions.
Bracketology experts:
Wondering about potential impacts of Kolek's injury, should it linger up to or through Selection Sunday. What're the historical precedents in terms of how that impacts seeding? My recollection is that losses get discounted if a key player was missing but will be back for the tournament, but if there is question about whether that player will not be available for the tournament itself, that the committee will more seriously take into account the team's performance without that player. What examples are there from previous years about teams that had a key contributor go down with a significant but not definitive injury late in the season? TIA.
Kenyon Martin comes to mind.
Quote from: MUMountin on March 01, 2024, 10:31:52 AM
Bracketology experts:
Wondering about potential impacts of Kolek's injury, should it linger up to or through Selection Sunday. What're the historical precedents in terms of how that impacts seeding? My recollection is that losses get discounted if a key player was missing but will be back for the tournament, but if there is question about whether that player will not be available for the tournament itself, that the committee will more seriously take into account the team's performance without that player. What examples are there from previous years about teams that had a key contributor go down with a significant but not definitive injury late in the season? TIA.
It will likely depend on how much it impacts our play. If we lose our next four and look bad doing so, I could see us getting knocked down a line. If we lose to Creighton and UConn but beat Xavier and win our first BET game before falling in the semis, I think we still end up as a 2-seed. It might change our region, but won't likely impact our first weekend destination. Going to dig into that more later today.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday March 1st by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Oakland in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Boise St and 10 Seed Wake Forest In the Midwest Detroit Region.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 01, 2024, 10:34:35 AM
It will likely depend on how much it impacts our play. If we lose our next four and look bad doing so, I could see us getting knocked down a line. If we lose to Creighton and UConn but beat Xavier and win our first BET game before falling in the semis, I think we still end up as a 2-seed. It might change our region, but won't likely impact our first weekend destination. Going to dig into that more later today.
If we lose to UCONN at home and lose to anyone other than UCONN in the BET in the Semis or earlier - we're a 3. Said this a long time ago.....thats not out on a limb.
The only hedge is that the CR loss (and potentially UC loss#2) would be without 1 or 2 of our best. That fact might get some reconsideration in the room.
Of course the 1 seed is gone. I don't care that much, lets beat UCONN regardless!
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday March 5th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Sam Houston in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Dayton and 10 Seed Oklahoma In the Midwest Detroit Region.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 05, 2024, 04:10:08 PM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday March 5th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Sam Houston in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Dayton and 10 Seed Oklahoma In the Midwest Detroit Region.
I'd like that very much. Only thing is dayton falls into the category of the ncaa always screws over Marquette by putting us closer to potential opponents
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 05, 2024, 04:19:01 PM
I'd like that very much. Only thing is dayton falls into the category of the ncaa always screws over Marquette by putting us closer to potential opponents
Yup, absolutely sign me up.
Dayton is fine, but they are not a strong defensive team metrically and they don't rebound great.
It would be the Oso versus Daron Holmes show down low- both 6'10ish and from Arizona. That kid averages 20&8, but I doubt he's faced a lot of mobile elite defensive guys his size like Oso. Is Holmes on projected first rd draft boards?
Also, I may be wrong on this but I'm not sure their fanbase travels as good as ours. Where's that one poster from Dayton to verify?
PS- Brew usually posts something about his "ideal versus not so ideal" type of opponent for the NCAAt, hopefully he does that again.
Busy times for him.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 05, 2024, 04:30:16 PM
Yup, absolutely sign me up.
Dayton is fine, but they are not a strong defensive team metrically and they don't rebound great.
It would be the Oso versus Daron Holmes show down low- both 6'10ish and from Arizona. That kid averages 20&8, but I doubt he's faced a lot of mobile elite defensive guys his size like Oso. Is Holmes on projected first rd draft boards?
Also, I may be wrong on this but I'm not sure their fanbase travels as good as ours. Where's that one poster from Dayton to verify?
PS- Brew usually posts something about his "ideal versus not so ideal" type of opponent for the NCAAt, hopefully he does that again.
Busy times for him.
He actually faced Oso back in high school. Granted a lot has changed, but this did happen.
If MU plays in Indy, the crowd advantage will be determined by how Purdue fans respond. I'm sure they have snapped up as many tickets there as possible because of the absolute certainty that the Boilers will be playing there.
If they got knocked off by a 16 seed again Sunday tickets could be cheap.
I've seen about 3 or so brackets this morning where Marquette and UW-Madison would meet in RD2 as the 3/6 matchup.
Seems like a matchup the committee would LOVE to see happen.
Maybe we could even get UW-Milwaukee in Rd. 1.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 10:07:54 AM
I've seen about 3 or so brackets this morning where Marquette and UW-Madison would meet in RD2 as the 3/6 matchup.
Seems like a matchup the committee would LOVE to see happen.
Maybe we could even get UW-Milwaukee in Rd. 1.
That'd be wild. Probably the closest thing to a college state tournament we'd ever get
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 10:07:54 AM
I've seen about 3 or so brackets this morning where Marquette and UW-Madison would meet in RD2 as the 3/6 matchup.
Seems like a matchup the committee would LOVE to see happen.
Maybe we could even get UW-Milwaukee in Rd. 1.
As much crap as this board talks about Bucky. This is something they never want to see. If Bucky beat them again this board would be in nuclear melt down mode that I don't think we have seen before.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 10:07:54 AM
I've seen about 3 or so brackets this morning where Marquette and UW-Madison would meet in RD2 as the 3/6 matchup.
Seems like a matchup the committee would LOVE to see happen.
Maybe we could even get UW-Milwaukee in Rd. 1.
This has been explained to you, the committee would only do that if there were a ton of other conflicts that forced it. This is exactly a matchup the committee is hoping to avoid.
If you see brackets where this is a second round matchup it either means the person who put it together doesn't know the rules or doesnt realize that MU and UW play each other every year.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 08, 2024, 10:22:59 AM
As much crap as this board talks about Bucky. This is something they never want to see. If Bucky beat them again this board would be in nuclear melt down mode that I don't think we have seen before.
It'd be a shitshow for sure but I don't think it'd top the big 3 of:
Buzz leaves (still the most active users on at the same time)
Done Deal
Hausergate
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 08, 2024, 10:09:22 AM
That'd be wild. Probably the closest thing to a college state tournament we'd ever get
Marquette has never played UW in the NCAA Tournament and (to my knowledge) have never played the same team 4 times in 1 season.
My bold prediction is that one of those 2 things is no longer true after this season.That was a random prediction from October. Both things could be in play, but playing UConn 4 times would also mean nothing but good things. I'd love to see that!
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 08, 2024, 10:22:59 AM
As much crap as this board talks about Bucky. This is something they never want to see. If Bucky beat them again this board would be in nuclear melt down mode that I don't think we have seen before.
COLE!
but yeah.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 08, 2024, 10:41:05 AM
COLE!
but yeah.
Would we rather UW or Michigan State in the 2nd round?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 10:58:40 AM
Would we rather UW or Michigan State in the 2nd round?
Not UW. They're going to the Final 4. Gard gets it done in March
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2024, 11:07:08 AM
Not UW. They're going to the Final 4. Gard gets it done in March
Not Gard so much as the system Gard took over. As bad as that guy can be at coaching and recruiting, upon a quick glance, he is 6-5 in the NCAA Tournament with a trip to the Sweet 16. System works.
What better way to assure they don't advance than to get a crack at them ourselves though?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 12:01:20 PM
Not Gard so much as the system Gard took over. As bad as that guy can be at coaching and recruiting, upon a quick glance, he is 6-5 in the NCAA Tournament with a trip to the Sweet 16. System works.
What better way to assure they don't advance than to get a crack at them ourselves though?
He took Bo's team (literally, as Bo retired mid season) to the Sweet 16.
I'd give Gard a lifetime contract at Madison as an MU fan. Guaranteed to be good enough to make the Tournament just about every year, but will hardly ever scare anyone come March.
Totally fine with MU losing to them and going on to be one of the 10 best teams in the country every year.
And you keep ignoring that an MU vs. UW second round game isn't going to happen.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2024, 11:07:08 AM
Not UW. They're going to the Final 4. Gard gets it done in March
Shaka can't beat Wisconsin and Gard knows ball
Quote from: wadesworld on March 08, 2024, 12:08:53 PM
He took Bo's team (literally, as Bo retired mid season) to the Sweet 16.
I'd give Gard a lifetime contract at Madison as an MU fan. Guaranteed to be good enough to make the Tournament just about every year, but will hardly ever scare anyone come March.
Totally fine with MU losing to them and going on to be one of the 10 best teams in the country every year.
And you keep ignoring that an MU vs. UW second round game isn't going to happen.
I don't know every bracketology rule, but there are so many potential rematches for MU in the 6/7 and 10/11 range with half of the 10/11 lines seemingly a Big East School or Michigan State. UW and Texas in the 6/7 range.
I recall Marquette playing Syracuse in the 2nd round in 2011 as a Conference game. There are always ways it could happen even if unlikely. And yes, I'd sign up for Gard at UW forever as an MU fan too.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 12:01:20 PM
Not Gard so much as the system Gard took over. As bad as that guy can be at coaching and recruiting, upon a quick glance, he is 6-5 in the NCAA Tournament with a trip to the Sweet 16. System works.
What better way to assure they don't advance than to get a crack at them ourselves though?
We can't beat them
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 12:16:27 PM
I recall Marquette playing Syracuse in the 2nd round in 2011 as a Conference game. There are always ways it could happen even if unlikely. And yes, I'd sign up for Gard at UW forever as an MU fan too.
That was because 11 teams from the Big East got in.
I can see it now - Marq beats UConn in the Final Four and Bucky in the Championship.
You certainly are the Nostradamus of Marquette basketball...
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 10:29:29 AM
Marquette has never played UW in the NCAA Tournament and (to my knowledge) have never played the same team 4 times in 1 season.
My bold prediction is that one of those 2 things is no longer true after this season.
That was a random prediction from October. Both things could be in play, but playing UConn 4 times would also mean nothing but good things. I'd love to see that!
Quote from: wisblue on March 05, 2024, 04:58:03 PM
If MU plays in Indy, the crowd advantage will be determined by how Purdue fans respond. I'm sure they have snapped up as many tickets there as possible because of the absolute certainty that the Boilers will be playing there.
If they got knocked off by a 16 seed again Sunday tickets could be cheap.
FWIW, Purdue fans were the nicest, most cordial away fans of any away MU game, I've been to.
Quote from: MUDPT on March 08, 2024, 12:39:20 PM
FWIW, Purdue fans were the nicest, most cordial away fans of any away MU game, I've been to.
I wouldn't expect them to be hostile toward Marquette or vociferously support their opponent like Kentucky fans supported Murray State in Louisville in 2012. That was nasty.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 10:07:54 AM
I've seen about 3 or so brackets this morning where Marquette and UW-Madison would meet in RD2 as the 3/6 matchup.
Seems like a matchup the committee would LOVE to see happen.
Maybe we could even get UW-Milwaukee in Rd. 1.
Lol had a feeling this draw would get posts.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Friday March 8th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 3 Seed playing 14 Seed Vermont in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 6 Seed Wisconsin and 11 Seed Indiana St In the Midwest Detroit Region.
Quote from: MUDPT on March 08, 2024, 12:39:20 PM
FWIW, Purdue fans were the nicest, most cordial away fans of any away MU game, I've been to.
Purdue fans are good people.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2024, 12:18:15 PM
We can't beat them
There are two teams I don't want to face.
St John's in the BET. St John's in the NCAA. We may beat them twice. Neither are good for Tyler's aching body going forward. They have something to prove. To him. Bring on anyone and everyone else. I honestly hope Shaka sits a healthy Tyler if we draw SJU in the opener.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 12:16:27 PM
I don't know every bracketology rule, but there are so many potential rematches for MU in the 6/7 and 10/11 range with half of the 10/11 lines seemingly a Big East School or Michigan State. UW and Texas in the 6/7 range.
I recall Marquette playing Syracuse in the 2nd round in 2011 as a Conference game. There are always ways it could happen even if unlikely. And yes, I'd sign up for Gard at UW forever as an MU fan too.
I know you are wishcasting this matchup but no there are not "so many potential rematches for MU in the 6/7 range"
The current projected 6/7 seeds are South Carolina, Wisconsin, Utah State, Dayton, Florida, Texas Tech, Gonzaga. Only one of those is a potential rematch. If you extend out to the current projected 5/8 seeds, it's San Diego State, BYU, Clemson, Washington State, Nevada, Boise State, Texas, and Colorado State. 8 more teams, only 1 more potential rematch.
Marquette played Syracuse in 2011 when the Big East got a record 11 teams into the tournament. Even then, Marquette was matched up for a potential rematch with Syracuse because Marquette was the lower seed in round 1, committee was hoping that a rematch would be avoided because we were supposed to lose in the first round. They avoided putting two higher seeds in line for a round two rematch.
You're not going to make fetch happen.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 08, 2024, 01:29:26 PM
I know you are wishcasting this mathup but no there are not "so many potential rematches for MU in the 6/7 range"
The current projected 6/7 seeds are South Carolina, Wisconsin, Utah State, Dayton, Florida, Texas Tech, Gonzaga. Only one of those is a potential rematch. If you extend out to the current projected 5/8 seeds, it's San Diego State, BYU, Clemson, Washington State, Nevada, Boise State, Texas, and Colorado State. 8 more teams, only 1 more potential rematch.
Marquette played Syracuse in 2011 when the Big East got a record 11 teams into the tournament. Even then, Marquette was matched up for a potential rematch with Syracuse because Marquette was the lower seed in round 1, committee was hoping that a rematch would be avoided because we were supposed to lose in the first round. They avoided putting two higher seeds in line for a round two rematch.
You're not going to make fetch happen.
Facts don't matter much to him
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 08, 2024, 01:29:26 PM
I know you are wishcasting this matchup but no there are not "so many potential rematches for MU in the 6/7 range"
The current projected 6/7 seeds are South Carolina, Wisconsin, Utah State, Dayton, Florida, Texas Tech, Gonzaga. Only one of those is a potential rematch. If you extend out to the current projected 5/8 seeds, it's San Diego State, BYU, Clemson, Washington State, Nevada, Boise State, Texas, and Colorado State. 8 more teams, only 1 more potential rematch.
Marquette played Syracuse in 2011 when the Big East got a record 11 teams into the tournament. Even then, Marquette was matched up for a potential rematch with Syracuse because Marquette was the lower seed in round 1, committee was hoping that a rematch would be avoided because we were supposed to lose in the first round. They avoided putting two higher seeds in line for a round two rematch.
You're not going to make fetch happen.
Speaking of the projected 6 and 7 seeds mentioned above, does anyone have opinions based on matchups which teams you would see as good or bad matchups for MU, or that you see as more desirable or dangerous opponents.
It seems there are often complaints after the bracket is announced that MU got a bad draw and it would be interesting to hear in advance who fans would like to avoid:
The 8 teams in alphabetical order are:
Dayton
Florida
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Texas Tech
Utah State
Washington State
Wisconsin
I include Wisconsin even though the Committee reportedly tries to avoid rematches of regular season games in the second round.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2024, 11:07:08 AM
Not UW. They're going to the Final 4. Gard gets it done in March
Plus Gard owns Shaka
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2024, 12:18:15 PM
We can't beat them
We absolutely can beat them
I don't care who we play. The goal remains the same. Win. I recall some on here not too long ago wanting to avoid UWGB in a potential RD1.
Lol.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 01:57:54 PM
We absolutely can beat them
I don't care who we play. The goal remains the same. Win. I recall some on here not too long ago wanting to avoid UWGB in a potential RD1.
Lol.
We do.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2024, 01:59:04 PM
We do.
Ok.
There are matchups that some may not want like UW or MSU, or as I said a few weeks ago, Nebraska to avoid their first ever tournament run potential.
I admittedly was worried about getting picked off last year because it seemed like everything went right all season.
Now that we are here in March...I really don't care who we play. I just want it to start. I trust Oso and Tyler in a win or go home setting with the relationships they've built and the leaders they are.
Go time!
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2024, 01:54:22 PM
It seems there are often complaints after the bracket is announced that MU got a bad draw and it would be interesting to hear in advance who fans would like to avoid:
Avoid St. Mary's!
We fear Vermont in the first round.
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2024, 01:54:22 PM
Speaking of the projected 6 and 7 seeds mentioned above, does anyone have opinions based on matchups which teams you would see as good or bad matchups for MU, or that you see as more desirable or dangerous opponents.
It seems there are often complaints after the bracket is announced that MU got a bad draw and it would be interesting to hear in advance who fans would like to avoid:
The 8 teams in alphabetical order are:
Dayton
Florida
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Texas Tech
Utah State
Washington State
Wisconsin
I include Wisconsin even though the Committee reportedly tries to avoid rematches of regular season games in the second round.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 02:10:21 PM
Ok.
There are matchups that some may not want like UW or MSU, or as I said a few weeks ago, Nebraska to avoid their first ever tournament run potential.
I admittedly was worried about getting picked off last year because it seemed like everything went right all season.
Now that we are here in March...I really don't care who we play. I just want it to start. I trust Oso and Tyler in a win or go home setting with the relationships they've built and the leaders they are.
Go time!
Bullet dodged with Radford losing in the Big South Quarterfinals right?
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 08, 2024, 02:21:06 PM
Bullet dodged with Radford losing in the Big South Quarterfinals right?
No. We wouldn't have beta them by 30+ as it was not the 1st game of the season.
I think we're resigned to a 3 (with 4 talk) too early.
Awhile back I said 2 UCONN losses + CR away loss + loss in BET Semis or sooner = 3. With wins everywhere else.
So its all happened except the BET. I say we make the finals and maybe have a shot at UC. But in any case: We get a 2.
2 or 3 its not really going to be a big deal but a 2 would be nice.
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2024, 12:47:31 PM
I wouldn't expect them to be hostile toward Marquette or vociferously support their opponent like Kentucky fans supported Murray State in Louisville in 2012. That was nasty.
We eliminated the 2003 Kentucky team and they never forgot Wade's triple double.
A win tomorrow would be another Q1 win.
If that were to happen I see no way they don't deserve that 2 seed.
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2024, 01:54:22 PM
Speaking of the projected 6 and 7 seeds mentioned above, does anyone have opinions based on matchups which teams you would see as good or bad matchups for MU, or that you see as more desirable or dangerous opponents.
It seems there are often complaints after the bracket is announced that MU got a bad draw and it would be interesting to hear in advance who fans would like to avoid:
The 8 teams in alphabetical order are:
Dayton
Florida
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Texas Tech
Utah State
Washington State
Wisconsin
I include Wisconsin even though the Committee reportedly tries to avoid rematches of regular season games in the second round.
Florida, Gonzaga, St. Mary's and Wazzu are all top 100 offensive rebounding teams.
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2024, 01:54:22 PM
Speaking of the projected 6 and 7 seeds mentioned above, does anyone have opinions based on matchups which teams you would see as good or bad matchups for MU, or that you see as more desirable or dangerous opponents.
It seems there are often complaints after the bracket is announced that MU got a bad draw and it would be interesting to hear in advance who fans would like to avoid:
The 8 teams in alphabetical order are:
Dayton
Florida
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Texas Tech
Utah State
Washington State
Wisconsin
I include Wisconsin even though the Committee reportedly tries to avoid rematches of regular season games in the second round.
Florida and Gonzaga are the two in thatb group I would prefer to avoid. We can beat both at full strength but Florida is elite on the boards and Gonzaga will be undereseeded whereever they end up
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 08, 2024, 05:44:55 PM
Florida and Gonzaga are the two in thatb group I would prefer to avoid. We can beat both at full strength but Florida is elite on the boards and Gonzaga will be undereseeded whereever they end up
This may be the first time in over a decade I'd actually not be scared of the Zags. Only big win is over a defense allergic kentucky team
If MU is going to win NC, can't be afraid of any team.
Lunardi has Hall in last byes. Nova and SHU in last 4 in. Prov in 1st team out.
Palm for some reason doesnt even have providence on the bubble
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 09, 2024, 12:27:05 PM
Lunardi has Hall in last byes. Nova and SHU in last 4 in. Prov in 1st team out.
Palm for some reason doesnt even have providence on the bubble
Lunardi is not one of the best at this, but Palm is much worse.
Would be a real shame to see Providence miss the Tourney.
Thought this thread would be best for this question:
Do you think MU will have trouble against a team that is middlin' but has one great player....ala Ja Morant. We seem to be able to deal with the teams with the good huge center. But are we susceptible to that 1-great player surrounded by average-below-average talent? Any of these 14,15's or 6,7's that are like that?
Stevie is a great defender we can put on "that guy"....but a lot of his best work is help and off-ball. So I wonder.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 11, 2024, 12:18:16 PM
Thought this thread would be best for this question:
Do you think MU will have trouble against a team that is middlin' but has one great player....ala Ja Morant. We seem to be able to deal with the teams with the good huge center. But are we susceptible to that 1-great player surrounded by average-below-average talent? Any of these 14,15's or 6,7's that are like that?
Stevie is a great defender we can put on "that guy"....but a lot of his best work is help and off-ball. So I wonder.
IMO the biggest concern is a team with big guards who can physically beat Kolek but also keep up with him.
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday March 12th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Quinnipiac in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Florida and 10 Seed Michigan St In the Midwest Detroit Region.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 12, 2024, 09:53:13 AM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Tuesday March 12th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Quinnipiac in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Florida and 10 Seed Michigan St In the Midwest Detroit Region.
I feel like that draw would be a little rough. MSU in Columbus and Indy back to back would be ridiculous. I would rather have ISU's draw in that bracket.
Bracketville, whom I believe brew and TAMU cited as one of the more reliable bracketologists, had dropped Marquette to a 3 after our losses to Creighton and UConn but now has us back on the 2-line (7th on S-curve).
Has us in the Detroit region. First/second round games in Indy, playing Colgate and then the winner of Boise State/TCU.
Also has Creighton as a 2 (8th on S-curve). And has 4 Big East teams on the bubble, with Seton Hall and St. John's in, Providence and Nova out.
Quote from: MU82 on March 12, 2024, 10:00:34 AM
Bracketville, whom I believe brew and TAMU cited as one of the more reliable bracketologists, had dropped Marquette to a 3 after our losses to Creighton and UConn but now has us back on the 2-line (7th on S-curve).
Has us in the Detroit region. First/second round games in Indy, playing Colgate and then the winner of Boise State/TCU.
Also has Creighton as a 2 (8th on S-curve). And has 4 Big East teams on the bubble, with Seton Hall and St. John's in, Providence and Nova out.
That's pretty much the consensus on Bracket Matrix right now. Gotta win some games to keep those spots though. UConn could just sit on the court and watch X/Butler practice jacking 3s and lose by 200 and they'd still get a 1 tho.
I feel very different about this year's team than I have in the past. I don't care about seed, location or opponent. Anybody...anywhere. This team can beat anyone with TK in the line-up.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 12, 2024, 10:06:08 AM
I feel very different about this year's team than I have in the past. I don't care about seed, location or opponent. Anybody...anywhere. This team can beat anyone with TK in the line-up.
I tend to agree but do think teams that rebound well and play really aggressive d can cause us problems. But we've seen plenty of that in BE play. Biggest things are Tyler being healthy of course, but also staying out of foul trouble along with Oso and Kam. Tourney games are always officiated much different than Big East play and I feel that has hurt BE teams more often than not in March.
Two things I worry about.
An opponent's player having a career game, which is not expected. See loss to UW.
Getting into a game where the refs keep blowing the whistle.
Bulletin board material for Shaka.....
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/39695637/mens-college-basketball-2024-ncaa-tournament-losing-teams-predictions
Quote from: mutodd5 on March 12, 2024, 11:00:27 AM
Bulletin board material for Shaka.....
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/39695637/mens-college-basketball-2024-ncaa-tournament-losing-teams-predictions
This article isn't wrong...too many second chance points for an opposing team may very well end the season prematurely for our warriors.
Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette #7 on his S Curve too this morning.
Quote from: MU82 on March 12, 2024, 10:00:34 AM
Bracketville, whom I believe brew and TAMU cited as one of the more reliable bracketologists, had dropped Marquette to a 3 after our losses to Creighton and UConn but now has us back on the 2-line (7th on S-curve).
Has us in the Detroit region. First/second round games in Indy, playing Colgate and then the winner of Boise State/TCU.
Also has Creighton as a 2 (8th on S-curve). And has 4 Big East teams on the bubble, with Seton Hall and St. John's in, Providence and Nova out.
I hadnt heard of Bracketville....will look them up. Thanks.
But what keeps coming back to my mind whenever I see Bracket predictions these past few days is we are going to play Creighton...one will lose and one will win. I know there are prelims...we have to beat Nova and CR has to beat whoever....but thats going to happen. We will play them. And no matter where anyone puts us today:
MU wins -> we are a 2
CR wins -> they get the 2
loser is a 3
Of course as many point out....2, 3 no matta really.
And there is still that fantasy hope that we win the BET and a group of irrational committee members deem us a
1
Quote from: MU82 on March 12, 2024, 10:00:34 AM
Bracketville, whom I believe brew and TAMU cited as one of the more reliable bracketologists, had dropped Marquette to a 3 after our losses to Creighton and UConn but now has us back on the 2-line (7th on S-curve).
Has us in the Detroit region. First/second round games in Indy, playing Colgate and then the winner of Boise State/TCU.
Also has Creighton as a 2 (8th on S-curve). And has 4 Big East teams on the bubble, with Seton Hall and St. John's in, Providence and Nova out.
Putting aside our rooting interests for MU, to maximize BE bids, the BE Tourney could go like this:
Providence beats Georgetown and Creighton and is in.
Villanova beats DePaul and Marquette and is in.
Seton Halls plays St. John's; St. John's wins and they are probably both still safely in.
That would put UCONN, MU, Creighton, Seton Hall, St. John's, Nova, and Providence all in--7 teams.
Not likely, I know. But that would be the best for the conference.
I'm still rooting for MU for sure, but this is my Plan B.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 12, 2024, 10:06:08 AM
I feel very different about this year's team than I have in the past. I don't care about seed, location or opponent. Anybody...anywhere. This team can beat anyone with TK in the line-up.
Yep. Especially with Kam back to himself. Time to show they truly are the best back court in the country.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 12, 2024, 04:02:17 PM
Putting aside our rooting interests for MU, to maximize BE bids, the BE Tourney could go like this:
Providence beats Georgetown and Creighton and is in.
Villanova beats DePaul and Marquette and is in.
Seton Halls plays St. John's; St. John's wins and they are probably both still safely in.
That would put UCONN, MU, Creighton, Seton Hall, St. John's, Nova, and Providence all in--7 teams.
Not likely, I know. But that would be the best for the conference.
I'm still rooting for MU for sure, but this is my Plan B.
I'd laugh so hard if Georgetown ended Providence's hopes of a bid.
Without getting into great detail, my review of the Team Sheets of the top 16 teams, and looking at how people who spend a lot more time on this than I do have ranked the teams in their seed lists, leads me to these conclusions:
1. There seems to be no controversy that Purdue, UConn, and Houston are clear number 1 seeds, and Tennessee, NC, and Arizona are the next 3 in line. The fact that those teams are the regular season champs of the Power 6 conferences solidifies their positions.
2. The resumes of MU, Creighton, Iowa State, and Baylor look very tight to me. Results of the conference tournaments could determine how these teams are placed relative to each other. Two of the teams will likely get 2 seeds and the other 2 will get 3 seeds.
3. Kentucky and Duke seem to be the biggest challengers to the four above but, to my unprofessional and not totally objective eye, their resumes are clearly below the four above, and only a conference tournament title should move them up. Kentucky especially seems to me to be overplaced. They only have 8 total Q1 and Q2 wins whereas every team above them, and several below them are in double figures.Creighton has 15, and MU, ISU, and Baylor have 13.
4. The battle for the 2nd spot at Indy could be interesting. One question I have about that is whether Creighton would be placed in Indy or Memphis if they land above MU on the seed list. I haven't seen the NCAA's official distance chart, but Indy and Memphis are just about the same distance from Omaha. Iowa State would seem to be headed for Omaha no matter what, especially with Kansas' fall to the 4 seed line. Memphis or Omaha would both be closer for Baylor than Indy and there should be a spot for them at one of those. Kentucky becomes the real spoiler there because if they win the SEC tournament and vault over MU they would take that spot if Creighton hasn't already claimed it.
Glad you didn't go into great detail.
Quote from: wisblue on March 12, 2024, 05:01:10 PM
4. The battle for the 2nd spot at Indy could be interesting. One question I have about that is whether Creighton would be placed in Indy or Memphis if they land above MU on the seed list. I haven't seen the NCAA's official distance chart, but Indy and Memphis are just about the same distance from Omaha. Iowa State would seem to be headed for Omaha no matter what, especially with Kansas' fall to the 4 seed line. Memphis or Omaha would both be closer for Baylor than Indy and there should be a spot for them at one of those. Kentucky becomes the real spoiler there because if they win the SEC tournament and vault over MU they would take that spot if Creighton hasn't already claimed it.
With Kansas' struggles down the stretch, it seems likely that if Marquette doesn't go to Indy we will be in Omaha (along with Iowa St). Sure, Omaha is a bit further away than Indy, but it's still within reasonable driving range for our fans AND it will be less likely to have lower seeds with nearby fan bases.
Who else is even relatively close to Omaha? Outside of Nebraska there aren't many nearby schools. Are we worried about Drake fans?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 12, 2024, 04:29:43 PM
I'd laugh so hard if Georgetown ended Providence's hopes of a bid.
To those going: if this happens, please take videos of Providence fans. I'd pay for them.
If you look at cracked sidewalks projected 6/7/10/11 seeds most of them are closer to Omaha than Indy. Granted, many are still very far away- coming from the west coast etc- but still closer to Omaha than Indy.
As I said it's mainly Mich st and Sconnie that are the concerns in Indy with Kentucky and Illinois falling into seed lines that won't see Marquette in the first 2 rds.
Sconnie would be a wash because that could be an issue in Omaha too. MSU is really the main disaster scenario in Indy.
We have the advantage over Iowa State. They had an absolute trash non-conference schedule.
I don't want Mich St in the tournament..
No thanks
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 12, 2024, 08:53:24 PM
I don't want Mich St in the tournament..
No thanks
Not afraid, COLE
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 12, 2024, 08:53:24 PM
I don't want Mich St in the tournament..
No thanks
Chances are, a bunch of their players will get arrested before the tournament anyway
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 12, 2024, 08:53:24 PM
I don't want Mich St in the tournament..
No thanks
Anybody, anywhere.
Sultan,
Agree 100%
Move the game to Breslin as far as I'm concerned.
There is one team that I don't think MU can beat on a neutral floor. Look who MU has beaten. Look how close MU came against Purdue. So, if TKo comes back and Kam/Oso stay hot, I only fear UConn on a neutral floor. Everybody else...MU may not win, but I am not afraid of them.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 13, 2024, 06:33:18 AM
Chances are, a bunch of their players will get arrested before the tournament anyway
I'd be more concerned about the players who get out on work release before the NCAA. ;D
Quote from: tower912 on March 13, 2024, 08:18:40 AM
There is one team that I don't think MU can beat on a neutral floor. Look who MU has beaten. Look how close MU came against Purdue. So, if TKo comes back and Kam/Oso stay hot, I only fear UConn on a neutral floor. Everybody else...MU may not win, but I am not afraid of them.
Yep.
And I'm not even "afraid" of UConn. If we play them, it wouldn't be until the Final Four. And if we're playing well enough to have made the Final Four, I won't be "afraid" to play them.
I'm less afraid of UConn than Houston. UConn still wants to play basketball. Houston wants to wrestle.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 13, 2024, 10:00:55 AM
I'm less afraid of UConn than Houston. UConn still wants to play basketball. Houston wants to wrestle.
I agree with this. It's the devil you know vs the devil you don't. Houston feels like a champion pedigree team to me.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 13, 2024, 10:00:55 AM
I'm less afraid of UConn than Houston. UConn still wants to play basketball. Houston wants to wrestle.
They may want to wrestle, but if the refs are calling it tight, will they be able to?
In another thread (I think), there was a brief discussion of NCAAT officiating and Big East teams. I don't know about other BEast teams, but IMHO Marquette will benefit from tighter-called games if that's what we see in the NCAA. If Kolek gets even a third of the calls when he's clearly bumped/pushed during drives - calls he just about never got in BEast games - it will help us a lot.
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2024, 02:56:34 PM
In another thread (I think), there was a brief discussion of NCAAT officiating and Big East teams. I don't know about other BEast teams, but IMHO Marquette will benefit from tighter-called games if that's what we see in the NCAA. If Kolek gets even a third of the calls when he's clearly bumped/pushed during drives - calls he just about never got in BEast games - it will help us a lot.
I'm not so sure. At this point, Marquette is very accustomed to playing physical games. We already have a short bench of three... If a game gets called tight, I could see us in a heap of trouble because we won't be able to play defense the way we have been. Aggressively.
A lot of games, Marquette starts off as the less physical team. Think of some of the double digit deficits, like St. John's at home. Then, Marquette sees how the game is being called, adjusts their physicality, and comes back to win.
I don't think Marquette will have any trouble adjusting to a less physical game because that's best for our style.
Someone like Seton Hall, however, will really struggle since they rely upon their physicality. I think that explains why Seton Hall went 13-7 in BE but only 1-4 against high majors in non-conference play.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 13, 2024, 03:06:37 PM
I'm not so sure. At this point, Marquette is very accustomed to playing physical games. We already have a short bench of three... If a game gets called tight, I could see us in a heap of trouble because we won't be able to play defense the way we have been. Aggressively.
As a Marquette fan who would prefer a run to the national title, I like my take better than yours!
Quote from: tower912 on March 13, 2024, 08:18:40 AM
There is one team that I don't think MU can beat on a neutral floor. Look who MU has beaten. Look how close MU came against Purdue. So, if TKo comes back and Kam/Oso stay hot, I only fear UConn on a neutral floor. Everybody else...MU may not win, but I am not afraid of them.
I'm not afraid of UConn. We can definitely beat them, and having prepped for them twice, our team and staff won't be afraid.
Houston is the only team I fear. I think they're the scariest team in the country.
Non Big East officiating as an advantage? It depends.
Refs that call it tight when drivers get hacked or bodied on layups and dunks? Huge advantage
Refs that like to call ticky tack calls 35 feet from the basket? Huge disadvantage
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 13, 2024, 05:12:34 PM
I'm not afraid of UConn. We can definitely beat them, and having prepped for them twice, our team and staff won't be afraid.
Houston is the only team I fear. I think they're the scariest team in the country.
I know what you mean about Houston - they are physically imposing - but I also think there's a decent chance that they get knocked out in the 16 or 8 rounds due to poor shooting by them and very good shooting by their opponent. It happened last year in a double-digit loss to Miami, and it could happen again.
(He said, hopefully.)
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2024, 05:24:02 PM
I know what you mean about Houston - they are physically imposing - but I also think there's a decent chance that they get knocked out in the 16 or 8 rounds due to poor shooting by them and very good shooting by their opponent. It happened last year in a double-digit loss to Miami, and it could happen again.
(He said, hopefully.)
If they run into a team with multiple NBA level shot makers, I agree. But I think their offense is better than last year, so it'll probably take someone like Kentucky being there.
Wild card is if Colorado is a 12-seed play in that upsets a 5 & 4 before seeing Houston.
Duke and Creighton losing sure doesn't hurt for our chances of a 2.
Right now, Marquette should be big fans of anyone playing against Iowa State, Baylor, and Kentucky. Those are the only teams that could catch us for a 2-seed. And if Kentucky did pass us, they go to Indy.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 14, 2024, 08:14:17 PM
Duke and Creighton losing sure doesn't hurt for our chances of a 2.
Prov in now? At expense of SH?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2024, 08:28:44 PM
Right now, Marquette should be big fans of anyone playing against Iowa State, Baylor, and Kentucky. Those are the only teams that could catch us for a 2-seed. And if Kentucky did pass us, they go to Indy.
Thx Brew.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2024, 08:28:44 PM
Right now, Marquette should be big fans of anyone playing against Iowa State, Baylor, and Kentucky. Those are the only teams that could catch us for a 2-seed. And if Kentucky did pass us, they go to Indy.
Baylor and Iowa State playing each other tonight I assume helps us because one will lose, so they both can't jump us?
Also, St. Johns at 32 NET means a good game against UConn could move them to a Q1 home win for MU. Big Johnnies fan today for multiple reasons
Quote from: Sturgeon General Warrior on March 15, 2024, 11:44:00 AM
Baylor and Iowa State playing each other tonight I assume helps us because one will lose, so they both can't jump us?
Also, St. Johns at 32 NET means a good game against UConn could move them to a Q1 home win for MU. Big Johnnies fan today for multiple reasons
Gonna need the Johnnies to move to Q1 because Texas is about to fall out.
The Athletic's latest bracketology - which was before yesterday's games - had us as the 3-seed in the West, opening in Indy against Charleston and then playing the winner of St. Mary's-Texas A&M. The top two seeds are Tennessee and Arizona.
I find myself hoping that most of the above doesn't end up being the case.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 11:49:37 AM
Gonna need the Johnnies to move to Q1 because Texas is about to fall out.
Maybe, we'll see.
Both Utah St and Colorado St are dogs tonight, if they don't cover they won't move up. StJ moving up would be fine. FAU might be a problem if they run up the score a few times and win the American tourney. Nevada is done. Florida is a dog tonight, and once you get past them teams are either done or would have too much ground to make up. At least it gives us rooting interests in the late games. Go SDSU and New Mexico.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 15, 2024, 12:00:58 PM
Maybe, we'll see.
Both Utah St and Colorado St are dogs tonight, if they don't cover they won't move up. StJ moving up would be fine. FAU might be a problem if they run up the score a few times and win the American tourney. Nevada is done. Florida is a dog tonight, and once you get past them teams are either done or would have too much ground to make up. At least it gives us rooting interests in the late games. Go SDSU and New Mexico.
Well I should say Texas will fall out if the Johnnies do move in.
Texas has a 2 spot buffer. That would be 1.
Would hit a hell of a betting parlay if everything else went perfect behind them. And the teams in front of Texas currently I dont think can go behind them barring a 30 pt loss or something
Rooting for Tennessee right now to stay in the bracket as the last line of defense against Kentucky making a charge to the SEC title and a possible spot in Indy.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 12:03:56 PM
Well I should say Texas will fall out if the Johnnies do move in.
Texas has a 2 spot buffer. That would be 1.
Would hit a hell of a betting parlay if everything else went perfect behind them. And the teams in front of Texas currently I dont think can go behind them barring a 30 pt loss or something
Agreed. I don't really care which one is top 30 as long as one of them ends up there.
JBR Bracketology has us "locked in" as a 2 seed, says tonight's Baylor/Iowa St game is for the final #2.
https://x.com/jbrbracketology/status/1768653936020341075?s=46 (https://x.com/jbrbracketology/status/1768653936020341075?s=46)
Tennessee apparently decided to skip the SEC tournament, concede the #1 seed, and rest up for the NCAA.
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 15, 2024, 12:56:35 PM
JBR Bracketology has us "locked in" as a 2 seed, says tonight's Baylor/Iowa St game is for the final #2.
https://x.com/jbrbracketology/status/1768653936020341075?s=46 (https://x.com/jbrbracketology/status/1768653936020341075?s=46)
I agree. The two remaining two seeds were the winner of Creighton Marquette and Iowa St Baylor.
Cmon, there's got to be someone out there like me clinging to the irrational hope for a 1 seed. Right!
I know, I know....1 seed no matta, it's mathematically impossible, who cares, just win...yada, yada, yada....but wouldn't that be cool!
So AZ, Tenn, UNC, Iowa St, lose, lose, lose, lose...and MU WIN, WIN... and committee see Kolek back as a renewed team. 1 seed baby!!!
A one-seed is a distinct advantage over a two.
A two is little advantage over a three.
Marquette's not getting a one.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2024, 01:00:44 PM
I agree. The two remaining two seeds were the winner of Creighton Marquette and Iowa St Baylor.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought as well.
Quote from: wisblue on March 15, 2024, 12:12:16 PM
Rooting for Tennessee right now to stay in the bracket as the last line of defense against Kentucky making a charge to the SEC title and a possible spot in Indy.
Nat King COLE. TN loses, AZ loses, UNC loses. We stomp UCONN with Tyler scoring 30 in his return. Grab the 1 seed. Win 6 more. So it is written.
Tennessee getting boatraced.
Quote from: 1SE on March 15, 2024, 01:16:21 PM
Nat King COLE. TN loses, AZ loses, UNC loses. We stomp UCONN with Tyler scoring 30 in his return. Grab the 1 seed. Win 6 more. So it is written.
No finish line.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2024, 01:27:38 PM
Tennessee getting boatraced.
Is Tennessee far enough ahead of MU that their result really doesn't matter? I understand that we're not going to get a 1, but might Tenn drop below MU to provide a bit more breathing room at the 2? Or do they stay ahead of us no matter their result?
With Dayton bowing out yesterady we have at least one bid theif this season out of the A10. It doesn't matter to Marquette this season but I've always found myself cheering for bid theifs. Still four more possibles beyond the A10:
AAC: Anyone besides FAU
ACC: NC State
B1G: Ohio State or Indiana
P12: Oregon
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 15, 2024, 01:37:41 PM
With Dayton bowing out yesterady we have at least one bid theif this season out of the A10. It doesn't matter to Marquette this season but I've always found myself cheering for bid theifs. Still four more possibles beyond the A10:
AAC: Anyone besides FAU
ACC: NC State
B1G: Ohio State or Indiana
P12: Oregon
Ohio St winning the B1G would be an incredible story after firing the coach midseason.
The non-COLE rooting guide for tonight
MISS_ST v. TENN
UCONN v. SJU
PITT v. UNC
BUZZZZZZZ v. UK
OREGON v. ZONA
BAYLOR v. ISU
Worst thing that's happened to MU so far in Championship week is Prov denying us another Q1A win.
Quote from: 1SE on March 15, 2024, 01:57:46 PM
The non-COLE rooting guide for tonight
MISS_ST v. TENN
UCONN v. SJU
PITT v. UNC
BUZZZZZZZ v. UK
OREGON v. ZONA
BAYLOR v. ISU
Worst thing that's happened to MU so far in Championship week is Prov denying us another Q1A win.
Disagree on Uconn over SJU.
If SJU beats Uconn they will move top 30 giving us another Q1 win. Then if we beat Prov
While beating Uconn is a wayyyyyyyy better win. SJU is a much much much much more possible win.
A SJU win tonight could wind up giving us 2 more Q1s
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 03:03:28 PM
Disagree on Uconn over SJU.
If SJU beats Uconn they will move top 30 giving us another Q1 win. Then if we beat Prov
While beating Uconn is a wayyyyyyyy better win. SJU is a much much much much more possible win.
A SJU win tonight could wind up giving us 2 more Q1s
Interesting Take...I'm tracking with 1SE and I would rather beat UConn as a 1-seed stamp-of-approval.... but this is interesting.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 03:03:28 PM
Disagree on Uconn over SJU.
If SJU beats Uconn they will move top 30 giving us another Q1 win. Then if we beat Prov
While beating Uconn is a wayyyyyyyy better win. SJU is a much much much much more possible win.
A SJU win tonight could wind up giving us 2 more Q1s
The only possible chance at a 1 seed is thumping UCONN to win the BET.
Quote from: 1SE on March 15, 2024, 03:34:43 PM
The only possible chance at a 1 seed is thumping UCONN to win the BET.
Anybody who believes a Kolek-less Marquette is incapable of beating UConn by 20 points to steal a 1 seed is full of Cole Slaw. Should be easy peasy.
Quote from: 1SE on March 15, 2024, 03:34:43 PM
The only possible chance at a 1 seed is thumping UCONN to win the BET.
We have zero chance at a 1 seed. Not a single .01%.
Marquette is #7 on ESPN's Joe Lunardi's SCurve as of a half hour ago
Kentucky losing helps Marquette with getting the Indianapolis #2 Pod Seed
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 15, 2024, 10:29:11 PM
Kentucky losing helps Marquette with getting the Indianapolis #2 Pod Seed
Very good result.
So now it's sit back and see where everyone else lands. Who will be our 15 and 7 and 3 and 1? Will we get that far, will any of them have trouble? March is great!
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 15, 2024, 10:29:11 PM
Kentucky losing helps Marquette with getting the Indianapolis #2 Pod Seed
I think they were the last potential challenger. Illinois should be too far back even if they win the conference tournament.
Bid stealer alert.
Virginia's monumental collapse in the last minute sends NC State to the ACC title game.
Are we a #1 with a win tomorrow? Seems we should be? Especially with Tennessee and Arizona going down today. Tennessee in ugly fashion too.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 15, 2024, 11:33:44 PM
Are we a #1 with a win tomorrow? Seems we should be? Especially with Tennessee and Arizona going down today. Tennessee in ugly fashion too.
No. It's UNC.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2024, 11:47:04 PM
No. It's UNC.
Them over us with losses to Ga Tech and Villanova? I don't know. But I have no idea of quad breakdowns comparison. Doesn't seem like an easy call for them, especially if we take down UConn. We were both 2's in bracket reveal.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 04:01:59 PM
We have zero chance at a 1 seed. Not a single .01%.
Too bad Pitt couldn't pull it off and now well never know.
Who is our 7 gonna be? See some brackets w Gonzaga on that line in Midwest - I'd like that matchup
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 04:01:59 PM
We have zero chance at a 1 seed. Not a single .01%.
I'm not certain you're correct. With Tennessee and Arizona going down to inferior teams, I think a win over UConn would put us ahead of both as the top 2 seed. That would only leave UNC ahead of us. If we win and they pick up a Q2 loss to NC State...and the committee gives us some slack on Kolek's injury, I could see us jumping. Here's what the team sheets would look like in that situation:
Record: 26-8 27-7
NET (current would likely be closer): 13 7
NCSOS: 17 23
SOS: 8 33
Average NET of Wins: 113 101
Average NET of Losses: 28 51
KPI: 18 4
SOR: 6 4
BPI: 14 10
POM: 12 7
Q1 wins: 10 9
Q1A Wins: 6 5
Q2 wins: 6 7
Q2A wins: 3 3
Q2 Losses: 1 4
If the committee gives any sort of bonus for Tyler being out and winning our conference when UNC didnt'....I see an argument for a 1 seed. Anyway, better to win and test the theory than not.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 02:26:46 AM
I'm not certain you're correct. With Tennessee and Arizona going down to inferior teams, I think a win over UConn would put us ahead of both as the top 2 seed. That would only leave UNC ahead of us. If we win and they pick up a Q2 loss to NC State...and the committee gives us some slack on Kolek's injury, I could see us jumping. Here's what the team sheets would look like in that situation:
Record: 26-8 27-7
NET (current would likely be closer): 13 7
NCSOS: 17 23
SOS: 8 33
Average NET of Wins: 113 101
Average NET of Losses: 28 51
KPI: 18 4
SOR: 6 4
BPI: 14 10
POM: 12 7
Q1 wins: 10 9
Q1A Wins: 6 5
Q2 wins: 6 7
Q2A wins: 3 3
Q2 Losses: 1 4
If the committee gives any sort of bonus for Tyler being out and winning our conference when UNC didnt'....I see an argument for a 1 seed. Anyway, better to win and test the theory than not.
The sloberfest especially North Carolina is rediculous. When is the last time North Carolina played a team with a pulse?
I would be shocked if the ACC has more than 1 team remaining after the 1st round. That includes Duke being bounced by a 13/14 seed.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 16, 2024, 07:18:39 AM
The sloberfest especially North Carolina is rediculous. When is the last time North Carolina played a team with a pulse?
I would be shocked if the ACC has more than 1 team remaining after the 1st round. That includes Duke being bounced by a 13/14 seed.
They won at Duke last Saturday.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 16, 2024, 08:46:55 AM
They won at Duke last Saturday.
Im willing to bet money that Duke is upset in the 1st round.
There are many sites to help you with that.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 16, 2024, 08:47:29 AM
Im willing to bet money that Duke is upset in the 1st round.
Who knows. But they "have a pulse." Who has Marquette beat lately who is better?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 16, 2024, 09:07:05 AM
Who knows. But they "have a pulse." Who has Marquette beat lately who is better?
This is exactly what I was thinking when I saw HW's post.
Nova, Providence, St. John's, etc, do have talent and toughness, and they're not easy wins. But objectively, is beating any one of them anywhere as tough as winning at Cameron Indoor? You REALLY need blue-and-gold glasses to see a win at Xavier as the equivalent of a win at Duke.
I will likely lean toward UNC keeping the last 1-seed even if they lose and we win. Resumes would be very close and if Kolek comes back and drops 15/8/5 on them I may see it differently. Will be an interesting rescrub tomorrow.
If you're going to fantasize about UNC losing and Marquette beating UConn, you'd also have to consider Iowa State.
Some bracketologists (like Dave at Bracketville) already have ISU ahead of MU on their seed lists. If they would add a win over Houston to their rout of Baylor last night they could also be seeded ahead of MU. And yes, I know about ISU's terrible OOC schedule, but that seems to be a bigger issue when separating teams near the bubble than teams that have proven themselves with several high quality wins.
At this point I'm assuming that Marquette will be a 2 seed playing in Indianapolis. The more important step is seeing the teams they'll be bracketed with.
Quote from: wisblue on March 16, 2024, 11:38:57 AM
If you're going to fantasize about UNC losing and Marquette beating UConn, you'd also have to consider Iowa State.
Some bracketologists (like Dave at Bracketville) already have ISU ahead of MU on their seed lists. If they would add a win over Houston to their rout of Baylor last night they could also be seeded ahead of MU. And yes, I know about ISU's terrible OOC schedule, but that seems to be a bigger issue when separating teams near the bubble than teams that have proven themselves with several high quality wins.
At this point I'm assuming that Marquette will be a 2 seed playing in Indianapolis. The more important step is seeing the teams they'll be bracketed with.
There is zero chance ISU gets a 1 over us if both win.
Neither are getting a 1. But they would not be ahead
Dan Gavitt just said all Conference Championships today and tomorrow will factor into seedings.
Also said they have gotten indication that Kolek, McCullar, and Dickinson will all be available with no restrictions for the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament.
Yeah heard that same thing about Kolek. Good reassurance.
He also said 3 one seeds are pretty locked and there are 3 teams vying for that fourth one seed.
Quote from: The Thing on March 16, 2024, 02:59:32 PM
He also said 3 one seeds are pretty locked and there are 3 teams vying for that fourth one seed.
Which, if the S curve is to be believed, Marquette is not among them
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 16, 2024, 03:03:14 PM
Which, if the S curve is to be believed, Marquette is not among them
UNC, Arizona, Tennessee
He made it seem like the 3 in play for the one seed are still playing, so could be UNC, Arizona, Marquette.
Maybe Marquette has jumped ahead of Tennessee on their SCurve already.
Great insider info by him letting us know that according to Marquette Tyler should be a go without restrictions next week, good stuff.
Let's go win a ship tonight
Quote from: DoctorV on March 16, 2024, 03:12:49 PM
He made it seem like the 3 in play for the one seed are still playing, so could be UNC, Arizona, Marquette.
Maybe Marquette has jumped ahead of Tennessee on their SCurve already.
Great insider info by him letting us know that according to Marquette Tyler should be a go without restrictions next week, good stuff.
Let's go win a ship tonight
Arizona is out. So who knows.
But would be fun to think we're in contention for it. Looking forward to tonights game!
Three teams "vying" doesn't necessarily mean they are still playing. It could just mean there are 3 teams they are seriously considering.
If Marquette is in the running I'd have to think Iowa State is too.
Past history has shown that conference tournament results don't have as much impact on the seeding as fans seem to think. The decision about who the fourth number one seed is has probably been made, unless they will only five it to UNC if they win their tourney.
Holy crap somehow I missed the Arizona loss.
Maybe I misheard, but it sure seemed to me like he said there were 3 teams in play for the final 1 seed and they are still playing for a championship...
So maybe it is UNC, Marquette, and Iowa St.
UNC is definitely big front runner with a regular season ship already in hand, 9Q1s and 16 Q1+2s.
MU and Iowa st have 9 and 15.
That said, if Marquette wins tonight that's 10 Q1s, 16 1+2s with a conference tourney title over another 1 seed, versus UNC regular season title in a far superior conference.
Tack on the Tyler injury playing a role in a few losses and maybe there's more of a chance than we thought.
Ditto for Iowa St if they beat Houston.
Their weak OOC makes me think they would be a bigger long shot.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 16, 2024, 03:12:49 PM
He made it seem like the 3 in play for the one seed are still playing, so could be UNC, Arizona, Marquette.
Hope so. Just had my hopes up for a 1 seed during the reveal and thought MU got about as little respect as possible at #7.
No way MU gets a 1 seed but the committee does love teams winning conference season and tournament titles.
Better chance we are the number 2 seed in the South. Does the committee look for intriguing storylines like facing previous coaches? Somehow, I think Michigan St., Kentucky and Texas A&M all could be in our bracket.
I haven't really studied the bubble this year but how is a team like Miss State getting 9-10 seeds but most brackets have PC and Hall out? I get they've beat Tenn 2x and that's impressive, but 8-10 SEC with pretty bland wins otherwise and plenty of losses.
BE getting 4 teams with one a 10/11 seed would be mad disrespect. Even 5 would be.
The Athletic recently released an update, and here are the top two seeds in each region:
DETROIT - Purdue (Indy), Marquette (Indy)
LA - UNC (Charlotte), Arizona (SLC)
DALLAS - Houston (Memphis), Tennessee (Charlotte)
BOSTON - UConn (Brooklyn), Iowa St (Omaha)
That all makes a lot of sense to me. Scoopetologists?
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2024, 08:09:19 PM
The Athletic recently released an update, and here are the top two seeds in each region:
DETROIT - Purdue (Indy), Marquette (Indy)
LA - UNC (Charlotte), Arizona (SLC)
DALLAS - Houston (Memphis), Tennessee (Charlotte)
BOSTON - UConn (Brooklyn), Iowa St (Omaha)
That all makes a lot of sense to me. Scoopetologists?
I would be very happy with that.
I like our chances against Purdue vs the other number 1s
Quote from: Boston Warrior on March 16, 2024, 08:16:43 PM
I like our chances against Purdue vs the other number 1s
Why we struggle massively against monster bigs.. give me Houston or UNC
Edey is a monster, but the rest of the team is not at the level of talent of nc, u conn or Houston.
Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette #8 in his latest SCurve. I like the Athletic Bracketology better.
Quote from: Boston Warrior on March 16, 2024, 08:58:16 PM
Edey is a monster, but the rest of the team is not at the level of talent of nc, u conn or Houston.
I would love to go against UNC...after they thrashed TK and Oso 2 years ago it would be sweet revenge and nice symmetry.
As we sit here today, I'd be happy going against any of those 1s ... because it will mean we will have made it to the Elite 8.
But I agree with those who say Purdue would be the first choice if I could make it. Other than Edey, we match up very well against that team. And we create some matchup problems for them. Oso committed a foolish foul when we played them in Hawaii but otherwise played a great game, and MU outscored Purdue by 8 or 10 (I can't remember which I read) points when Oso was on the floor.
Nc state, Oregon? New Mexico .. a lot of bid thieves
Seton hall, Providence, St. John's might be on the outside looking in.. could big East only get 3 bids?
SHU and PC are likely out. SJU is on the bubble.
ISU gets the final 1
ESPN Bracketology Updated Sunday March 17th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Western Kentucky in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Utah State and 10 Seed TCU/Colorado Winner In the South Houston Region.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 17, 2024, 12:59:37 AM
ESPN Bracketology Updated Sunday March 17th by Joe Lunardi. Marquette is listed as a Pod 2 Seed playing 15 Seed Western Kentucky in Indianapolis. With the winner playing the winner of 7 Seed Utah State and 10 Seed TCU/Colorado Winner In the South Houston Region.
We've gotten horrible matchups the past 2 years and immediately recognized both UNC and MSU as tough draws. I hope we don't get tough draws, but I am going into this Selection Sunday with a 'whatever' attitude. Whoever we get, we gotta beat. No excuses. It is go time!
Quote from: 1SE on March 17, 2024, 12:13:04 AM
ISU gets the final 1
I would bet they don't.
This might be just one of this year's reminders that fans tend to over estimate how much the conference tournaments affect seeding. The Committee has shown repeatedly that they mean it when they say that conference tournament games have no more impact than any other game.
If ISU remains a 2 seed (as I expect) it will essentially prove that MU had no chance of getting a 1 seed yesterday even with a win over UConn and everything else going right. Iowa State won their conference tournament with routs over 2 top teams and it might not be enough.
My prediction
#2 seed in the Midwest in Indy v. #15 WKU. #7 Washington State v. #10 Oklahoma for the S16.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 17, 2024, 01:45:11 AM
We've gotten horrible matchups the past 2 years and immediately recognized both UNC and MSU as tough draws. I hope we don't get tough draws, but I am going into this Selection Sunday with a 'whatever' attitude. Whoever we get, we gotta beat. No excuses. It is go time!
Thank you!
To be the best, you have to beat the best. No excuses.
This team. This tournament. Something I've been waiting for a long, long time. After last year's aborted launch, it's now time to show what We Are Marquette really means!
Onward and upward guys!
I think Iowa state takes the last #1 seed from North Carolina-they've earned it. the big 12 is the toughest conference top to bottom. those games all season long including the conference tourney were wars.
my sleeper sweet 16-GCU
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 17, 2024, 07:30:08 AM
I think Iowa state takes the last #1 seed from North Carolina-they've earned it. the big 12 is the toughest conference top to bottom. those games all season long including the conference tourney were wars.
my sleeper sweet 16-GCU
102 of the 102 brackets on Bracket Matrix don't have ISU as a 1 seed. It would be very surprising if that happens.
ISU deserves the 1 seed over North Carolina. They absolutely skull F*cked both Baylor and Houston.
Again, that's not how it works. Conference championship games are just another game in a body of work that starts in November.
Athletic sticking with UNC as last #1 seed. Thinks the committee does not want to be seen rewarding such a poor non conference schedule. Also has Saint John's as last team in.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 07:44:16 AM
102 of the 102 brackets on Bracket Matrix don't have ISU as a 1 seed. It would be very surprising if that happens.
Graham Doeren, a very respected bracketologist, had a very interesting bracket with Iowa St as the final 1 seed out west with Marquette as the 2, Illinois and Kentucky the 3/4.
He's since said he's still considering.
Most have UNC as the final 1.
That said, if the committee chair did indeed mean that there were 3 teams in play for the final 1 seed and that their resume was still incomplete- and that means UNC, MU, and Iowa State- if follows logic that with UNCs bad loss AND Iowa States massive blowout win that they might have slid up to the 1 line.
I honestly think Marquette was closer to a 1 than we ever expected.
The computer numbers for Marquette and Iowa state are elite- the most elite after the 3 locks on the one line.
That said, UNCs are also very good, but in a much weaker conference.
Marquette is now out because of no titles but Iowa state has one, with an elite conference and a brutal OOC schedule.
UNC has one too, with good metrics and a weaker conference.
Would be odd to get shipped out west, but I would kinda love being the 2 in Iowa States bracket, and having Illinois and UK as the 3/4 doesn't scare me.
Sign me up.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 07:44:16 AM
102 of the 102 brackets on Bracket Matrix don't have ISU as a 1 seed. It would be very surprising if that happens.
And that right there is proof positive of herd mentality. ISU 100% deserves a 1 seed over Carolina. ACC is down big time this year. Carolina's best wins are Tennessee at home, and 3 wins over Duke - who also plays in the watered down ACC. Carolina has losses to Ken Pom's 87th ranked Syracuse and 128th ranked Georgia Tech.
Iowa State? Let's see. Overall Number 5 in Ken Pom, North Carolina 8. ISU's worst loss? K State, ranked 69 in Ken Pom. Two wins over another lock 1 seed, and Number 2 overall Ken Pom team, Houston. Further they played in a substantially more difficult conference.
If UNC gets the last 1, then it flies in the face of the committee and Brew City stating that conference tournaments matter.
They do matter. No doubt. They just don't matter any more than any other game. And maybe ISU's performance will be enough to get them to the final one seed, but it would be fairly unprecedented from following Bracket Matrix over the years.
That being said, some of the brackets added this morning do have ISU as a #1. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 17, 2024, 09:45:19 AM
And that right there is proof positive of herd mentality. ISU 100% deserves a 1 seed over Carolina. ACC is down big time this year. Carolina's best wins are Tennessee at home, and 3 wins over Duke - who also plays in the watered down ACC. Carolina has losses to Ken Pom's 87th ranked Syracuse and 128th ranked Georgia Tech.
Iowa State? Let's see. Overall Number 5 in Ken Pom, North Carolina 8. ISU's worst loss? K State, ranked 69 in Ken Pom. Two wins over another lock 1 seed, and Number 2 overall Ken Pom team, Houston. Further they played in a substantially more difficult conference.
If UNC gets the last 1, then it flies in the face of the committee and Brew City stating that conference tournaments matter.
I think the Clones deserve the 1-seed over UNC but their non-con schedule is the strongest argument against them
Iowa St. based on the eye test deserves a #1 seed. But that's not how it works.
Back in the day, when recent results were weighted higher, I would think ISU would be a shoo-in for a #1. I just don't think that's the case now.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2024, 10:23:21 AM
Iowa St. based on the eye test deserves a #1 seed. But that's not how it works.
I'm not sure I believe him, but the head of the selection committee said they do use the eye test and watch a lot of games.
It would suck to only get 3 BE teams in. Hope the committee overlooks some of the metrics given how historically bad DePaul was and how awful Georgetown was. Those two teams absolutely screwed the conference with how pitiful they were. Their embarrassing programs are likely the difference between getting 3 additional teams in.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 17, 2024, 10:35:07 AM
It would suck to only get 3 BE teams in. Hope the committee overlooks some of the metrics given how historically bad DePaul was and how awful Georgetown was. Those two teams absolutely screwed the conference with how pitiful they were. Their embarrassing programs are likely the difference between getting 3 additional teams in.
Playing DePaul has been worse than having another cupcake on the schedule 2 times, and GT has not been much better. Let's hope their coaches can get them up to a "not too bad" level. I know all conferences have some perennially weak teams, but those two are beyond "weak".
Yes.
Seton Halls metrics aren't good, others have much better computer numbers.
However, they finished 4th in the BE and have 5 Q1s. 9-11 Q1&2 not great.
Their high end wins are their best asset.
Although at home, they beat BOTH UConn and Marquette, a 1&2 seed.
So, it's obvious they can play and beat elite teams, the types they would face, and the committee has said in the past that matters.
Providence just beat Creighton- 3 seed, the second time this season, and beat MU- and StJ almost took out UConn.
St Johns has the least Q1s and least impressive wins of the 3, yet the best computer numbers.
So, to be completely honest they all likely deserve a bid in a normal year but this one is a bit more challenging.
The computer versus quality wins thing is really coming to a head this year too.
People argued for a while that Indiana state deserved a bid- NET at 29 but literally no good wins.
That team belongs nowhere near this field imo.
You can't justify leaving teams with 5 and 6 Q1 wins out to include someone line Indiana st
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 06:56:18 AM
My prediction
#2 seed in the Midwest in Indy v. #15 WKU. #7 Washington State v. #10 Oklahoma for the S16.
Melikey!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 17, 2024, 10:30:52 AM
I'm not sure I believe him, but the head of the selection committee said they do use the eye test and watch a lot of games.
Yep. Also, last year's committee chair said that conference tournament results can and do factor in.
As for bracketmatrix ... it takes a couple days to update, so 102 of 102 doesn't reflect Iowa State's last game (maybe even last 2 games) and UNC's last game in dozens and dozens of brackets.
That said, for years, regardless of committee makeup, they have said repeatedly that out-of-conference strength of schedule matters. They have consistently rewarded teams that play tough OOC skeds and have consistently punished teams that play soft OOC sked's. Iowa State's OOC schedule ranks 312th -
312th! - in the country. Compare that to UNC (26th), Tennessee (16th) and Arizona (13th), and it's hard to claim the OOC matters and then reward the team at #312.
It's gonna be interesting to see where everybody's placed, and interesting to hear what the chair has to say afterward.
Yea trash scheduling by TJO- likely saw Houston coming over and realized the conference season would be brutal.
He should change that up in the future.
That said, their conference strength of schedule >>> UNCs and they went 13-5 and UNC 17-3.
Then they beat monstrous Houston in a way no one could EVER imagine while UNC lost to 9-11 in the ACC NCSt.
Could go either way.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 17, 2024, 07:27:04 AM
Thank you!
To be the best, you have to beat the best. No excuses.
This team. This tournament. Something I've been waiting for a long, long time. After last year's aborted launch, it's now time to show what We Are Marquette really means!
Onward and upward guys!
💪
There's no way that Illinois could steal Indy from us by beating the Weasels today, is there?
If they move up to a number two seed perhaps. Otherwise I expect them in Omaha or Pittsburgh.
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2024, 12:15:32 PM
There's no way that Illinois could steal Indy from us by beating the Weasels today, is there?
No. They'd jump at least 2-seed lines. That isn't happening
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2024, 12:15:32 PM
There's no way that Illinois could steal Indy from us by beating the Weasels today, is there?
Nope.
One thing I would say about Iowa State is to look at how you thought about them last Monday after they lost to Kansas State to finish 2 games behind Houston in the conference standings.
Did you see them then as a candidate for a 1 seed? Where would they have been on your seed list?
The few bracketologists that I follow and that post seed lists, not just seed lines, had Marquette, Creighton, Iowa State, and Baylor at 7-10 on their seed lists in some order.
Even if they were listed at number 7, do the results of 2 or 3 games outweigh the results of the 30 or so other games enough to vault ISU over 3 other teams?
You could make a case for Iowa State ahead of any or all of UNC, Tennessee, and Arizona, but there are reasons those teams were considered ahead of ISU before this week. Most of those reasons are still there.
In addition to schedule strength, the Committee has said it looks to see how teams have performed on the road. ISU is 5-5 on the road, compared to 8-2 for UNC, 8-3 for Tennessee, and 7-4 for Arizona.
My prediction for 1-10 on the Committee's Seed List is:
1. UConn
2. Purdue
3. Houston
4. UNC
5. Tennessee
6. Iowa State
7. Arizona
8. Marquette
9. Baylor
10. Creighton
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 06:56:18 AM
My prediction
#2 seed in the Midwest in Indy v. #15 WKU. #7 Washington State v. #10 Oklahoma for the S16.
I think this is a good guess.
I'll go #2 seed in the South. Indy v #15 South Dakota State, I'll say 11:20 am CST tip time Friday morning.
#7 Clemson vs #10 Texas A&M (for the Buzz drama).
Also, prepare for the countless "what time do we play on Friday?" posts that are forthcoming.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 17, 2024, 07:30:08 AM
I think Iowa state takes the last #1 seed from North Carolina-they've earned it. the big 12 is the toughest conference top to bottom. those games all season long including the conference tourney were wars.
my sleeper sweet 16-GCU
When they do get a 1 seed, maybe it will stop some of this nonsense heard on this board that playing studs in BEast title game meant nothing. Iowa State produced in their conference tourney and now will likely get a 1 seed. But I doubt it will cause the nonsense to go away.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 17, 2024, 02:55:21 PM
When they do get a 1 seed, maybe it will stop some of this nonsense heard on this board that playing studs in BEast title game meant nothing. Iowa State produced in their conference tourney and now will likely get a 1 seed. But I doubt it will cause the nonsense to go away.
Thanks Dung Willie
We all know that if Tyler played, and re-aggrevated the injury, that willie would be the first one bitching.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 02:57:59 PM
We all know that if Tyler played, and re-aggrevated the injury, that willie would be the first one bitching.
Tyler owed it to Willie to play.
Willie is going to be Willie and bitch and complain no matter what happens.
Quote from: wisblue on March 17, 2024, 06:48:04 AM
I would bet they don't.
This might be just one of this year's reminders that fans tend to over estimate how much the conference tournaments affect seeding. The Committee has shown repeatedly that they mean it when they say that conference tournament games have no more impact than any other game.
If ISU remains a 2 seed (as I expect) it will essentially prove that MU had no chance of getting a 1 seed yesterday even with a win over UConn and everything else going right. Iowa State won their conference tournament with routs over 2 top teams and it might not be enough.
Committee has stated that winning conference tournaments does matter. How much? Probably depends on the committee.
I don't think isu falling short would prove your point. I (and most bracketologists) had Marquette above Iowa State. Marquette may also get the kolek injury boost that ISU wouldn't. So its possuble ISU beating UH wasnt enough but MU beating UConn would have been.
The play in games are probably going to be on the 10 seed line. That's nuts. I love bid thieves
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 17, 2024, 03:04:17 PM
The play in games are probably going to be on the 10 seed line. That's nuts. I love bid thieves
Problem is there always seems to be a play in game team that goes to the S16...
Hopefully it's not buzz in that 10 hole play in opposite Marquette in a 7v10 matchup.
Not something I really want to see.
Wade Taylor the fourf and Radford kind of give me nightmares.
Your thoughts on that possible matchup, since you support both programs?
I'm thinking we see 1 or 2 surprises being left out from Dayton, Oklahoma, Colorado, Northwestern, Michigan State, and Florida Atlantic. These teams are considered IN by Bracket Matrix.
If that happens, Pitt, Virginia, Indiana State, Seton Hall, Providence, and St. John's are the most likely candidates to make it instead.
Dave at Bracketville (a respected Bracketologist) just came out with his final bracket.
He has MU at Indy against Western Kentucky.
The second round could be Gonzaga (7) or the winner of Oklahoma/Colorado in the First Four. That wouldn't be bad.
That is in the South Region with Illinois the 3 and Houston/Auburn the 1 and 4.
He also has Wisconsin as 5 in that region.
He has Iowa State 6 on his seed list and MU 8.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 17, 2024, 03:10:38 PM
Problem is there always seems to be a play in game team that goes to the S16...
Hopefully it's not buzz in that 10 hole play in opposite Marquette in a 7v10 matchup.
Not something I really want to see.
Wade Taylor the fourf and Radford kind of give me nightmares.
Your thoughts on that possible matchup, since you support both programs?
I support one program, I get paid by the other.
Marquette is the much better team. TAMU is the kind of team that can dirty up a game in a way that MU is vulnerable to. Would expect us to win but would rather play others
Quote from: wisblue on March 17, 2024, 03:15:36 PM
Dave at Bracketville (a respected Bracketologist) just came out with his final bracket.
He has MU at Indy against Western Kentucky.
The second round could be Gonzaga (7) or the winner of Oklahoma/Colorado in the First Four. That wouldn't be bad.
I expect us to win no matter who we match up with... but that draw would likely mean we're playing the best 15 seed, and either the best 7 seed or best 10 seed unless oklahoma somehow sneaks through.
Quote from: wisblue on March 17, 2024, 03:15:36 PM
Dave at Bracketville (a respected Bracketologist) just came out with his final bracket.
He has MU at Indy against Western Kentucky.
The second round could be Gonzaga (7) or the winner of Oklahoma/Colorado in the First Four. That wouldn't be bad.
That is in the South Region with Illinois the 3 and Houston/Auburn the 1 and 4.
He also has Wisconsin as 5 in that region.
He has Iowa State 6 on his seed list and MU 8.
He also has all 3 BEast bubblers among the first 4 out.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 17, 2024, 03:10:38 PM
Problem is there always seems to be a play in game team that goes to the S16...
Hopefully it's not buzz in that 10 hole play in opposite Marquette in a 7v10 matchup.
Not something I really want to see.
Wade Taylor the fourf and Radford kind of give me nightmares.
Your thoughts on that possible matchup, since you support both programs?
There has only been 4 or 5 play in game winners to make the S16. UCLA in the bubble was the last.
That being said, the play in games will have stronger teams this year due to the bid thievery going on.
One of my "can't miss" predictions for today is that Badger fans will be bitching about their seed, especially if they beat Illinois.
They won't understand why they are seeded below both Marquette and Illinois when they beat both and knocked off mighty Purdue.
I actually wonder if they will be the last #4 seed if they hold on to win this.
Quote from: wisblue on March 17, 2024, 03:40:24 PM
One of my "can't miss" predictions for today is that Badger fans will be bitching about their seed, especially if they beat Illinois.
They won't understand why they are seeded below both Marquette and Illinois when they beat both and knocked off mighty Purdue.
Assuming they win today, maybe the fact that they finished 7-8 in their last 15 games?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 03:46:56 PM
I actually wonder if they will be the last #4 seed if they hold on to win this.
Don't think so. They've already moved up a seed line this week
And they've got some bad losses
My thoughts for what they're worth ( and to some on scoop not worth anything 😊).
There are a bunch of crappy 15 and 16 teams this year...underdog winners in the South-Mid-Valley-Athletic type conferences. So no 1/2 upsets this year.
Also a set of 11-14 seeds that are scary for the 3-6s.
I think we're a 2 and will be glad for it.
If our path to a national championship is thru Purdue, UNC, and Houston... I can see it, but UCONN has finally cowed me. Don't think we can beat them.
I know it's a crazy hope.
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2024, 03:23:23 PM
He also has all 3 BEast bubblers among the first 4 out.
Really hope to see a couple sneak in. Tough week for those teams; the consensus certainly is for a three bid league which is no bueno.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 17, 2024, 04:14:41 PM
My thoughts for what they're worth ( and to some on scoop not worth anything 😊).
There are a bunch of crappy 15 and 16 teams this year...underdog winners in the South-Mid-Valley-Athletic type conferences. So no 1/2 upsets this year.
Also a set of 11-14 seeds that are scary for the 3-6s.
I think we're a 2 and will be glad for it.
If our path to a national championship is thru Purdue, UNC, and Houston... I can see it, but UCONN has finally cowed me. Don't think we can beat them.
I know it's a crazy hope.
If MU plays UConn it will be in the Final Four, so I'll take my chances.
Quote from: wisblue on March 17, 2024, 05:02:37 PM
If MU plays UConn it will be in the Final Four, so I'll take my chances.
It should be the championship game only
Wow FAU an 8.
I'm glad Auburn isn't going to be in our region. And wow, Iowa State in that bracket too. Loaded bracket. Looking good for us!
Wow Iowa st not a 1
Surprised to see Iowa St there
UConn has no excuses not to get out of that region
Quote from: willie warrior on March 17, 2024, 02:55:21 PM
When they do get a 1 seed, maybe it will stop some of this nonsense heard on this board that playing studs in BEast title game meant nothing. Iowa State produced in their conference tourney and now will likely get a 1 seed. But I doubt it will cause the nonsense to go away.
I wish the MU players were half as tough as you
Quote from: warriors141 on March 17, 2024, 05:07:27 PM
Surprised to see Iowa St there
Also not top 2 seed. UNC/ARZ last 1 and top 2?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 17, 2024, 05:09:04 PM
I wish the MU players were half as tough as you
Is MU number two in the South Region? Thoughts?
Iowa State/Drake would be intriguing.
FAU an 8, Drake a 10. The Dukes an 11? Some interesting results so far.
Can see UAB punking SDSU. Morehead State might be able to make Illinois sweat
Iowa State not in the Midwest means either Marquette or Tennessee should be there. The other in the South.
Unless the committee penalizes us for injury uncertainty and Marquette is 3 in the Midwest.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 17, 2024, 05:10:33 PM
FAU an 8, Drake a 10. The Dukes an 11? Some interesting results so far.
Yessir. Dukes getting an 11 is something.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2024, 05:07:44 PM
UConn has no excuses not to get out of that region
Boy, I don't know. I think Auburn is very underseeded as a 4, and Iowa State in my view should have been a 1. Fun fact, 17 of the last 20 National Champs have been ranked in Ken Pom top 6. Auburn is 4 and Iowa State is 5.
Buzz is IN
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2024, 05:10:40 PM
Can see UAB punking SDSU. Morehead State might be able to make Illinois sweat
Illinois did not want Morehead St.
Shitty path for Wisconsin, which I enjoy
Marquette in Indy.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 17, 2024, 05:12:09 PM
Boy, I don't know. I think Auburn is very underseeded as a 4, and Iowa State in my view should have been a 1. Fun fact, 17 of the last 20 National Champs have been ranked in Ken Pom top 6. Auburn is 4 and Iowa State is 5.
Don't think either will stop them
Whoa. Wisky can't like facing JMU.
Oh man, this will be like a home game for Western Kentucky.
Quote
Good as we can hope region
Except for Houston, love the draw. Love it.
Who's got the scouting report on Florida? Didn't love to hear they're elite rebounding. But have a recent key injury?
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 17, 2024, 05:16:14 PM
Oh man, this will be like a home game for Western Kentucky.
Good thought
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 17, 2024, 05:17:05 PM
Who's got the scouting report on Florida? Didn't love to hear they're elite rebounding. But have a recent key injury?
Center is out. Broke his leg. Was their best ORebounder.
Can't complain about our draw. Although Kentucky is a scary #3.
Meh. Don't like our draw. WKU gets a home game as a 15 seed. Tough matchup throughout this bracket.
Quote from: bradforster on March 17, 2024, 05:10:03 PM
Is MU number two in the South Region? Thoughts?
I guess it's a "yes." Dallas here I come.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 17, 2024, 05:16:14 PM
Oh man, this will be like a home game for Western Kentucky.
I hope you're kidding.
Quote from: Norm on March 17, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
Meh. Don't like our draw. WKU gets a home game as a 15 seed. Tough matchup throughout this bracket.
4 hours for them, 4 hours for MU?
well historically we play kentucky well right? same region as Buzz and Wisconsin.......although unlikely we would see either
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2024, 05:17:55 PM
Can't complain about our draw. Although Kentucky is a scary #3.
Nope. Love it. Best draw they've had since Buzz
Maybe people are joining me in the sarcasm, but I was not serious about this being a "home game" for WKU lol. Bowling Green is 3.5 hours from Indy. Milwaukee is four.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 17, 2024, 05:16:14 PM
Oh man, this will be like a home game for Western Kentucky.
It will be 65% MU fans there for that session. MU couldn't have gotten a better group of teams to be grouped with in Indy for their Friday session.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2024, 05:17:55 PM
Can't complain about our draw. Although Kentucky is a scary #3.
How is MU's history with Kentucky in the NCAAs? :)
Great draw.
Quote from: Norm on March 17, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
Meh. Don't like our draw. WKU gets a home game as a 15 seed. Tough matchup throughout this bracket.
They turn it over a ton. Good matchup. They have a real good coach, though. A year from now, bet they're a lot better
It's Go Time!!!
Quote from: Norm on March 17, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
Meh. Don't like our draw. WKU gets a home game as a 15 seed. Tough matchup throughout this bracket.
That's pretty COLE
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 17, 2024, 05:20:24 PM
How is MU's history with Kentucky in the NCAAs? :)
:) Fair enough.
Kentucky's offense is scary but their defense is very porous.
Can't complain about the draw. Gotta beat good teams no matter what.
Western Kentucky has pretty rabid fans. There will be a ton of WKU fans in Indy for that game.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2024, 05:17:44 PM
Center is out. Broke his leg. Was their best ORebounder.
Oof, this injury. Rough.
Nothing egregiously bad right out of the gates like we've seen many times. Don't hate this at all
Gonzaga with a 5?!?
Zags at 5??? WtF
Lmao what a joke Gonzaga
Hoping to see a Big East team in this 10 seed.
Purdue has a ridiculously easy draw.
St. John's out
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2024, 05:25:34 PM
Purdue has a ridiculously easy draw.
No such thing for Purdue.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 17, 2024, 05:25:01 PM
Hoping to see a Big East team in this 10 seed.
Uh-oh. Big East only 3 with 1 region left. Cracked Sidewalks could be right on this...
McNeese has a great draw.
How in the world is Gonzaga a #5 seed.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 17, 2024, 05:27:11 PM
McNeese has a great draw.
Agree. They'll be S-16 in my bracket of integrity
How many Big East teams in so far?
McNeely vs. Gonzaga is going to be a great game, btw.
Creighton got the easiest draw I've ever seen.
Quote from: Norm on March 17, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
Meh. Don't like our draw. WKU gets a home game as a 15 seed. Tough matchup throughout this bracket.
WKU plays the likes of Sam Houston etc with multiple in conference losses. They have a pretty good guard from Milwaukee, that's about it. Stevie will handle him. MU will destroy them, I imagine a 15 point underdog for WKU.
Rooting for Florida, who lost their center today. If MU make it thru, Kentucky will be a handful, if they win. Should be fun with a pretty decent draw. Glad Friday, another full rest day, total of six days.
Midwest bracket is weak...would have loved that draw for MU.
Quote from: DavidBoone2inchesTaller on March 17, 2024, 05:29:06 PM
How many Big East teams in so far?
McNeely vs. Gonzaga is going to be a great game, btw.
3 and I'm not sure we'll get a 4th DB2.
Zags a 5? Virginia in?
Quote from: DavidBoone2inchesTaller on March 17, 2024, 05:29:06 PM
How many Big East teams in so far?
McNeely vs. Gonzaga is going to be a great game, btw.
Maybe I missed one but Thee 3 thru 3 regions
It's 3. No one else is getting in
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 17, 2024, 05:29:41 PM
Midwest bracket is weak...would have loved that draw for MU.
Very. It's a "let's do everything possible to allow to Purdue to advance" bracket. But they'll still lose. :)
This could have been Hilltoppers vs Hilltoppers. If only......
Quote from: nyg on March 17, 2024, 05:29:34 PM
WKU plays the likes of Sam Houston etc with multiple in conference losses. They have a pretty good guard from Milwaukee, that's about it. Stevie will handle him. MU will destroy them, I imagine a 15 point underdog for WKU.
Rooting for Florida, who lost their center today. If MU make it thru, Kentucky will be a handful, if they win. Should be fun with a pretty decent draw. Glad Friday, another full rest day, total of six days.
Oh....we're Fri for sure? That's excellent news.
Marquette reacts to their seeding: https://twitter.com/LoriNickel/status/1769488167621562668
According to this Lori Nickel, Tyler Kolek yelled, "I'm back!!"
SMC did not want to see the Antelopes.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 17, 2024, 05:32:41 PM
Marquette reacts to their seeding: https://twitter.com/LoriNickel/status/1769488167621562668
According to this Lori Nickel, Tyler Kolek yelled, "I'm back!!"
Oso not seen. Could be staying overnight at Froedtert.
Looking at Florida - they aren't a great draw for us. Top 10 in Ken Pom in O-rebounding and not turning the ball over. And of course forcing turnovers is a big part of our defensive success.
Just brutal for St. John's.
Early line ... Marquette -15.5
Dayton a #7?????
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 17, 2024, 05:35:30 PM
Looking at Florida - they aren't a great draw for us. Top 10 in Ken Pom in O-rebounding and not turning the ball over. And of course forcing turnovers is a big part of our defensive success.
They lost their best offensive rebounder for the season. Their defense is weak. Not convinced they even get out of the first round
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 17, 2024, 05:35:30 PM
Looking at Florida - they aren't a great draw for us. Top 10 in Ken Pom in O-rebounding and not turning the ball over. And of course forcing turnovers is a big part of our defensive success.
But their best offensive rebounder broke his leg this afternoon.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on March 17, 2024, 05:31:11 PM
This could have been Hilltoppers vs Hilltoppers. If only......
I think Hilltoppers vs. Golden Avalanche of Marquette has a nice ring to it. It fits nicely and it works well with the outcome we want.
St. John's not in the first four out...c'mon lol
Espn extremely friendly about MU will said if Kolek healthy,that was his pick for final 4,Bills said just give the ball to Kam! Travesty he not on 1st team all Big East
No love for the BE bubble.
Anyone know where Porter Moser's team got seeded?
I thought St.John's was getting in the play-in.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 17, 2024, 05:38:11 PM
St. John's not in the first four out...c'mon lol
Honestly their resume wasn't great. Hadn't really beat anyone.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 17, 2024, 05:35:30 PM
Looking at Florida - they aren't a great draw for us. Top 10 in Ken Pom in O-rebounding and not turning the ball over. And of course forcing turnovers is a big part of our defensive success.
Huge injury today negatively affects the Gator rebounding prowess.
So outside of a ton of seeding differences, the only difference with Bracket Matrix is Virginia is in and Oklahoma is out.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2024, 05:35:59 PM
Early line ... Marquette -15.5
I am Carnac.......or just lucky guess.
Feel bad for Seton Hall, St. John's I felt was not going to get in after the conference tournament championship upsets.
MU will destroy WKU and Kolek will get the rust off for following game. Root for Florida.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2024, 05:39:51 PM
Anyone know where Porter Moser's team got seeded?
Porter Loser. Only had to change one letter.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2024, 05:21:03 PM
They turn it over a ton. Good matchup. They have a real good coach, though. A year from now, bet they're a lot better
Really like their coach...but I don't think we get out-coached by anyone. The Florida injury was awful, but not having to see a 7'1" is a gift for MU.
3 Big East teams is a joke.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 17, 2024, 05:35:30 PM
Looking at Florida - they aren't a great draw for us. Top 10 in Ken Pom in O-rebounding and not turning the ball over. And of course forcing turnovers is a big part of our defensive success.
Handlogten's done for the season
Quote from: avid1010 on March 17, 2024, 05:42:14 PM
Really like their coach...but I don't think we get out-coached by anyone. The Florida injury was awful, but not having to see a 7'1" is a gift for MU.
3 Big East teams is a joke.
No one else deserved it. They just didn't beat anyone non conference.
It's a small detail, but us playing Friday gives everyone an extra day of rest and recovery. That could be huge.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2024, 05:39:51 PM
Anyone know where Porter Moser's team got seeded?
Committee too woke
If you're thinking of going to Indy for Friday's MU session, have to imagine it's going to be a huge buyer's market.
do we know what session we're playing in yet?
I'll take it
Feel so bad thug Oduro does not get to injury any players in the NCAA.
What happened to protecting higher seeds geographically? MU and Creighton should win but both of them face teams that are closer to their campuses.
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on March 17, 2024, 05:53:37 PM
What happened to protecting higher seeds geographically? MU and Creighton should win but both of them face teams that are closer to their campuses.
OMG seriously? We are complaining about Western Kentucky's massive fan base?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 05:54:59 PM
OMG seriously? We are complaining about Western Kentucky's massive fan base?
I'm more concerned about their mascot
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on March 17, 2024, 05:53:37 PM
What happened to protecting higher seeds geographically? MU and Creighton should win but both of them face teams that are closer to their campuses.
All 3 BE teams got outstanding draws for the tournament.
Not a single complaint.
Quote from: Jockey on March 17, 2024, 05:56:55 PM
All 3 BE teams got outstanding draws for the tournament.
Not a single complaint.
UCONN got absolutely screwed. Purdue gets a flipping cake walk.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 17, 2024, 05:45:49 PM
It's a small detail, but us playing Friday gives everyone an extra day of rest and recovery. That could be huge.
Yup. I know I'll need it.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 17, 2024, 05:57:33 PM
UCONN got absolutely screwed.
They're in the toughest region for sure but I'm not convinced Iowa State can match them offensively.
Looking closer at Auburn, their best win is at home against an Alabama team that doesn't play defense. Metrics love them but I don't think they can match UConn offensively either
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 05:54:59 PM
OMG seriously? We are complaining about Western Kentucky's massive fan base?
And the second round matchup would be against one of three schools all a LONG way from Indy.
There are ZERO excuses with this draw. And I'm sure the team agrees.
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on March 17, 2024, 05:53:37 PM
What happened to protecting higher seeds geographically? MU and Creighton should win but both of them face teams that are closer to their campuses.
MU would beat WKU if we played them on their own court. Go online and look at their schedule and who they have played and lost to. If MU loses this game would be the worst loss in MU tournament history. Not gonna happen, crowd or no crowd.
Ok, Seton Hall and StJohns didn't get in. Too bad, time to move on. MU is in, two seed and the Shaka jinx of not getting thru to Sweet 16 is going to end.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 06:01:03 PM
And the second round matchup would be against one of three schools all a LONG way from Indy.
There are ZERO excuses with this draw. And I'm sure the team agrees.
Fully expect a Sweet 16 berth. No one to blame but themselves if it doesn't happen.
Marquette received a great draw!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2024, 05:55:37 PM
I'm more concerned about their mascot
I am more concerned that the Dictator of WFB will invite WKU's mascot to the 4th of July Parade.
Expect to play Wisconsin in the elite 8
Virginia is 69 (nice) in KenPom. Of all the teams IN by at-large, they're by far the weakest.
Really hope Colorado State thumps them
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 17, 2024, 06:04:48 PM
Expect to play Wisconsin in the elite 8
Scoop might explode.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 17, 2024, 06:04:48 PM
Expect to play Wisconsin in the elite 8
One of the Dukes will get them
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2024, 05:59:32 PM
They're in the toughest region for sure but I'm not convinced Iowa State can match them offensively.
Looking closer at Auburn, their best win is at home against an Alabama team that doesn't play defense. Metrics love them but I don't think they can match UConn offensively either
They'd still be my pick to win, but I just hate the Big East only getting 3 teams in, and then watching UCONN get the toughest path of any 1 seed. Brings out the football conspiracy theorist in me.
St. John's and Seton Hall got totally screwed.
UConn isn't afraid of anyone their bracket.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 17, 2024, 06:07:42 PM
They'd still be my pick to win, but I just hate the Big East only getting 3 teams in, and then watching UCONN get the toughest path of any 1 seed. Brings out the football conspiracy theorist in me.
I don't blame you, tbh. It's only going to be more football-centric moving forward
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2024, 06:11:24 PM
I don't blame you, tbh. It's only going to be more football-centric moving forward
"Look at all the deserving teams left out from bid thieves this year! We must expand the tournament for more middling powers conference teams!"
@ryancassidycbb
Virginia went 2-7 in Q1 games
They are #69 on KenPom
The Strength of Schedule was #77
Seton Hall went 5-8 in Q1 games
They are #62 on KenPom
The Strength of Schedule was #42
The Committee went with Virginia
Jay Bilas with some nice words about MU and our chances with Kolek. Jay Williams not so much.
When do they announce the time of our game on Friday?
Quote from: nyg on March 17, 2024, 06:02:18 PM
MU would beat WKU if we played them on their own court. Go online and look at their schedule and who they have played and lost to. If MU loses this game would be the worst loss in MU tournament history. Not gonna happen, crowd or no crowd.
Ok, Seton Hall and StJohns didn't get in. Too bad, time to move on. MU is in, two seed and the Shaka jinx of not getting thru to Sweet 16 is going to end.
St John should have been in, even though Pitino is a slimeball
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on March 17, 2024, 06:10:43 PM
St. John's and Seton Hall got totally screwed.
I honestly did even think SJU was on the bubble. I thought everyone agreed they were in.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2024, 05:35:59 PM
Early line ... Marquette -15.5
All the more reason we need to rest Kolek, Oso, Stevie and Ross for fear they may aggravate their injuries
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on March 17, 2024, 06:19:06 PM
Jay Bilas with some nice words about MU and our chances with Kolek. Jay Williams not so much.
I'm just happy we don't have to hear Billy Packard tell us all how the ACC invented the game of basketball.
Bracket Matrix had both SJU and Seton Hall out. It's not a surprise. Oklahoma probably has a bigger argument over Virginia than anyone.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on March 17, 2024, 06:10:43 PM
St. John's and Seton Hall got totally screwed.
I'm sorry Virginia and so many from the Big Whatever, pathetic. They love slobbering over The Big XII, yuck.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 06:28:08 PM
Bracket Matrix had both SJU and Seton Hall out. It's not a surprise. Oklahoma probably has a bigger argument over Virginia than anyone.
There are probably 10 teams that have a legit argument over UVA.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 17, 2024, 06:17:13 PM
@ryancassidycbb
Virginia went 2-7 in Q1 games
They are #69 on KenPom
The Strength of Schedule was #77
Seton Hall went 5-8 in Q1 games
They are #62 on KenPom
The Strength of Schedule was #42
The Committee went with Virginia
Virginia had a better SOR (strength of record) and NC SOS.
Looks like the bid thieves cost Oklahoma, Seton Hall, and Indiana State, in that order.
Oregon, NC State, Duquense, and UAB playing their way to autobids.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 17, 2024, 06:26:34 PM
All the more reason we need to rest Kolek, Oso, Stevie and Ross for fear they may aggravate their injuries
LOL
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 17, 2024, 06:04:48 PM
Expect to play Wisconsin in the elite 8
More likely Wisco loses the first round than make the E8, IMO.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 17, 2024, 06:31:31 PM
Virginia had a better SOR (strength of record) and NC SOS.
Looks like the bid thieves cost Oklahoma, Seton Hall, and Indiana State, in that order.
Oregon, NC State, Duquense, and UAB playing their way to autobids.
Tourney Chair just said 5 bids were stolen.
Take a look at St. Johns and Seton Hall's non-conference performance. That's why they didn't get in.
Has anyone watched JMU since they punked Izzo? I'm just concerned their team is only slighter taller than James Madison.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2024, 06:47:46 PM
Has anyone watched JMU since they punked Izzo? I'm just concerned their team is only slighter taller than James Madison.
Not hard to envision the Badgers not shooting well and losing.
One might think that with Marquette being located in Milwaukee (nor the UP) that the Journal Sentinel would have something to say aboot them being a #2 seed. Instead, there were not 1, not 2, but 3 articles on the Badgers in the Top Headlines - compared to 0 mentions about Marquette.
Truly pathetic, if unsurprising.
None of the ESPN talking heads picked Marquette to reach the Elite Eight. They obviously hate Marquette.
Or really respect Kentucky
Dey obviously don't no hour history v. Kentucky in the Tourney, aina?
Quote from: Jockey on March 17, 2024, 07:01:37 PM
One might think that with Marquette being located in Milwaukee (nor the UP) that the Journal Sentinel would have something to say aboot them being a #2 seed. Instead, there were not 1, not 2, but 3 articles on the Badgers in the Top Headlines - compared to 0 mentions about Marquette.
Totally inexcusable. The editor should be shown the door.
Truly pathetic, if unsurprising.
"Play da game not the name." Show Scoopdom ya know ball. Which former MU asst. coach said this prior to MU vs Kentucky in the NCAA's, hey?
Quote from: Jockey on March 17, 2024, 07:01:37 PM
One might think that with Marquette being located in Milwaukee (nor the UP) that the Journal Sentinel would have something to say aboot them being a #2 seed. Instead, there were not 1, not 2, but 3 articles on the Badgers in the Top Headlines - compared to 0 mentions about Marquette.
Truly pathetic, if unsurprising.
they used to try to hide their bias' further proof "journalism" is dead
Kentucky with the 108th ranked KenPom defense.
So Gonzaga has one Quad 1 win?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2024, 07:18:55 PM
So Gonzaga has one Quad 1 win?
Wasn't impressed by the Selection Chair. Seemed pretty clueless and incompetent.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2024, 07:18:55 PM
So Gonzaga has one Quad 1 win?
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 17, 2024, 07:20:50 PM
Wasn't impressed by the Selection Chair. Seemed pretty clueless and incompetent.
Gonzaga as a 5, FAU as an 8, and Virginia making it didn't make much sense to me. Michigan St. should have been closer to the bubble as well, IMO.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 17, 2024, 07:06:40 PM
None of the ESPN talking heads picked Marquette to reach the Elite Eight. They obviously hate Marquette.
No respect for #1 Houston. They are damn good. Felt like for most of the last month they were a popular pick to win it all.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 17, 2024, 07:22:34 PM
No respect for #1 Houston. They are damn good. Felt like for most of the last month they were a popular pick to win it all.
Kentucky is not making the final 4 with their awful defense.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2024, 07:23:16 PM
Kentucky is not making the final 4 with their awful defense.
Don't tell Dookie V. He has them cutting down the nets in AZ. :o
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 17, 2024, 07:25:05 PM
Don't tell Dookie V. He has them cutting down the nets in AZ. :o
They could. Or they could lose in the first round and it wouldn't surprise me much. Might be the team with the widest variance in the tourney.
Great offense, bad defense. But they are not losing to Oakland.
Quote from: tower912 on March 17, 2024, 07:07:39 PM
Or really respect Kentucky
There's a sentence you don't read every day
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 17, 2024, 07:20:50 PM
Wasn't impressed by the Selection Chair. Seemed pretty clueless and incompetent.
Great point. Extremely wooden, laconic, and beyond unimpressive.
What the Committee got right and wrong...
https://sports.yahoo.com/march-madness-what-the-ncaa-mens-tournament-selection-committee-got-right-and-wrong-010452975.html
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 17, 2024, 09:29:57 PM
What the Committee got right and wrong...
https://sports.yahoo.com/march-madness-what-the-ncaa-mens-tournament-selection-committee-got-right-and-wrong-010452975.html
Committee did a terrible job. Lots of unexplainable randomness with regards to seeding.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2024, 05:28:07 PM
How in the world is Gonzaga a #5 seed.
They were actually a 6 seed, but BYU not being able to play on Sunday dropped them from a 5 seed to a 6 seed and Gonzaga was the beneficiary.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 17, 2024, 05:41:13 PM
So outside of a ton of seeding differences, the only difference with Bracket Matrix is Virginia is in and Oklahoma is out.
Bracket Matrix was pretty close on seeding for the most part. 58/68 of the teams were within 4 spots of what bracketmatrix predicted. The 10 that weren't:
5 of them were Mountain West teams being seeded too high (NEV/COST 11 spots too high, Boise 9 spots too high, USU 6 spots too high, UNM 5 spots too high)
5 of them were preseason favorites being seeded too low (FAU/MSU/TAMU 7 spots too low, Zags 6 spots too low, Texas 5 spots too low)
Given this, I suspect that San Diego State being in the top 16 reveal caused bracketologists to overestimate the perceived strength of the Mountain West and that there was some level of preseason expectation baked into this committee's criteria.
Quote from: Jockey on March 17, 2024, 07:01:37 PM
One might think that with Marquette being located in Milwaukee (nor the UP) that the Journal Sentinel would have something to say aboot them being a #2 seed. Instead, there were not 1, not 2, but 3 articles on the Badgers in the Top Headlines - compared to 0 mentions about Marquette.
Truly pathetic, if unsurprising.
Were the Badger articles about them playing in the B1G championship game that just happened?
My instant reaction was that I hated the draw but I didn't realize that Florida's center was done for the year and another one of their top 6 players missed the last two games of the SECT and their fans seem convinced that he is done for the season (no idea if true). Those two nuggets made me relax a bit.
I think Western Kentucky is the best of the 15 seeds and does have a rabid fanbase that will likely have a large presence. Probably the toughest draw of the 15 seeds....but seriously who cares? If we're worried about a 15 seed we deserve an early exit.
Colorado is underseeded as a 10 seed and given the injuries to Florida, I expect that's who we will face. While they are underseeded, I like how we matchup against them and provided Kolek/Stevie are truly good to go, we should win comfortably. Slowing down KJ Simpson will definitely be a challenge.
If we get Boise somehow, we should crush them regardless of Kolek and Stevie's status.
I really love our potential Sweet 16 opponents. Kentucky is the weakest 3 seed IMHO and while Texas Tech is better than Clemson or South Carolina, I think we matchup well there and could handle them. Neither NC State nor Oakland are worth any worry. If we make it to the second weekend, I'm pretty confident we make the Elite Eight.
I don't like being in Houston's region. That defense is real and I think they could give us fits. I would have much rather had Purdue or UNC.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 18, 2024, 01:08:24 AM
My instant reaction was that I hated the draw but I didn't realize that Florida's center was done for the year and another one of their top 6 players missed the last two games of the SECT and their fans seem convinced that he is done for the season (no idea if true). Those two nuggets made me relax a bit.
I think Western Kentucky is the best of the 15 seeds and does have a rabid fanbase that will likely have a large presence. Probably the toughest draw of the 15 seeds....but seriously who cares? If we're worried about a 15 seed we deserve an early exit.
Colorado is underseeded as a 10 seed and given the injuries to Florida, I expect that's who we will face. While they are underseeded, I like how we matchup against them and provided Kolek/Stevie are truly good to go, we should win comfortably. Slowing down KJ Simpson will definitely be a challenge.
If we get Boise somehow, we should crush them regardless of Kolek and Stevie's status.
I really love our potential Sweet 16 opponents. Kentucky is the weakest 3 seed IMHO and while Texas Tech is better than Clemson or South Carolina, I think we matchup well there and could handle them. Neither NC State nor Oakland are worth any worry. If we make it to the second weekend, I'm pretty confident we make the Elite Eight.
I don't like being in Houston's region. That defense is real and I think they could give us fits. I would have much rather had Purdue or UNC.
Root for the Badgers? Making the FF at their expense would be oh so sweet
Sew, an old, white dude, den, hey?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 18, 2024, 01:08:24 AM
I think Western Kentucky is the best of the 15 seeds and does have a rabid fanbase that will likely have a large presence.
I hope their large group of rabid fans don't find out that when they heckle Kolek specifically, he tends to crumble and isn't able to motivate himself by their jeering at all
WKU " fan base " ??
I watched part of their Champ game, and they had prob 150 fans. Max
MU should crush them. Period.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 18, 2024, 09:21:02 AM
WKU " fan base " ??
I watched part of their Champ game, and they had prob 150 fans. Max
MU should crush them. Period.
Now if only Oso, TK, Kam, Stevie and Jop could play the top 5 from WKU's fan base.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 18, 2024, 09:21:02 AM
WKU " fan base " ??
I watched part of their Champ game, and they had prob 150 fans. Max
MU should crush them. Period.
Yes MU should crush them period.
But using the CUSA champ game as a measure for the WKU fan base isnt an apples to apples.
1. The NCAAT is infinitely bigger than the CUSA tourney
2. WKY was a mid seed in the cusa tourney so making the finals was unexpected. No one's planning a last minute trip to the CUSA tourney final
They will probably have a decent showing and fans of other teams will likely cheer for them as the underdog. It won't matter, we should crush them.
I think we should be the second largest fan base there (behind Purdue). Maybe Florida brings a decent crowd. I don't expect large showings from Colorado, Boise, Utah St, or TCU
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 18, 2024, 09:21:02 AM
WKU " fan base " ??
I watched part of their Champ game, and they had prob 150 fans. Max
MU should crush them. Period.
Their fanbase always dwindles when Big Red gets hungry.
WKU averaged about 4,100 attendance in a 7,300-seat arena.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 18, 2024, 10:25:12 AM
Yes MU should crush them period.
But using the CUSA champ game as a measure for the WKU fan base isnt an apples to apples.
1. The NCAAT is infinitely bigger than the CUSA tourney
2. WKY was a mid seed in the cusa tourney so making the finals was unexpected. No one's planning a last minute trip to the CUSA tourney final
They will probably have a decent showing and fans of other teams will likely cheer for them as the underdog. It won't matter, we should crush them.
I think we should be the second largest fan base there (behind Purdue). Maybe Florida brings a decent crowd. I don't expect large showings from Colorado, Boise, Utah St, or TCU
Don't ever underestimate your opponent.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 18, 2024, 10:44:04 AM
Don't ever underestimate your opponent.
Can we properly estimate them?
Quote from: Jockey on March 17, 2024, 07:01:37 PM
One might think that with Marquette being located in Milwaukee (nor the UP) that the Journal Sentinel would have something to say aboot them being a #2 seed. Instead, there were not 1, not 2, but 3 articles on the Badgers in the Top Headlines - compared to 0 mentions about Marquette.
Truly pathetic, if unsurprising.
despite Milwaukee being MU's home town, unless UW athletics descends back to the days of Steve Yoder in hoops, or those winless late '80's football teams and the veer offense, UW will always be king. Walmart Badgers really is fitting.