Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[MuggsyB]

I also think the idea of peaceful negotiation is hilarious

This is analogous to Giannis surrendering when I drive to the hoop. 

[MUBurrow]

Many countries, including Brazil, China, Russia, South Africa, and NATO member Turkey, consider Palestine a State/Country. Which means, to those nations (including Iran who supplies them weapons), Hamas is the Palestinian military force.

I apologize for my ignorance if I've been mistaken, but is this true? It was not my understanding that recognizing Palestine also automatically meant recognizing Hamas as the equivalent of a state military entity.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Where are the Palestinians supposed to go and how are they supposed to get out?

They had an agreement for a country and Yasser Arafat said it wasn't good enough and walked away. 
They would have been a country.  You take what you can get and go forward.

[jesmu84]

They had an agreement for a country and Yasser Arafat said it wasn't good enough and walked away. 
They would have been a country.  You take what you can get and go forward.

Right.

But what about now? Like, right now, when Israel told them to leave before they bomb everything

[MU82]

My brother is an Orthodox Jew; he and his wife live outside of Tel Aviv. He messaged me and our brother a few hours ago to say they are OK and hunkered down, and they feel they are safe.

So that's where my thoughts mainly have been today.

As for macro issues ... I am disappointed this has become a "Israel or Ukraine" thing for so many American politicians.

Putin supports Iran. Putin recently justified his invasion of Ukraine by making antisemitic comments. Putin hates Jews, as well as democracy. Putin would love to wipe America off the face of the earth.

It's amazing that some are saying Ukraine - and democracy - isn't worth defending.

[MuggsyB]

My brother is an Orthodox Jew; he and his wife live outside of Tel Aviv. He messaged me and our brother a few hours ago to say they are OK and hunkered down, and they feel they are safe.

So that's where my thoughts mainly have been today.

As for macro issues ... I am disappointed this has become a "Israel or Ukraine" thing for so many American politicians.

Putin supports Iran. Putin recently justified his invasion of Ukraine by making antisemitic comments. Putin hates Jews, as well as democracy. Putin would love to wipe America off the face of the earth.

It's amazing that some are saying Ukraine - and democracy - isn't worth defending.

I'm glad your family is okay.  Keep strong and your head up. 

[JWags85]

My brother is an Orthodox Jew; he and his wife live outside of Tel Aviv. He messaged me and our brother a few hours ago to say they are OK and hunkered down, and they feel they are safe.

Glad to hear they are ok, Mike.  My SIL/BIL's close friends were in Tel Aviv for the holiday and a bar mitzvah.  They were holed up in hotel stairwells and their flight back to the US was cancelled. Then they went radio silent for hours. Their 2 daughters are my nieces respective best friends, so that compounded to the worry.  Luckily they were able to get a flight to Dubai early hours of the morning and made it out, thankfully.

[MU82]

Glad to hear they are ok, Mike.  My SIL/BIL's close friends were in Tel Aviv for the holiday and a bar mitzvah.  They were holed up in hotel stairwells and their flight back to the US was cancelled. Then they went radio silent for hours. Their 2 daughters are my nieces respective best friends, so that compounded to the worry.  Luckily they were able to get a flight to Dubai early hours of the morning and made it out, thankfully.

Wow, good to hear they got out safely, Wags.

[forgetful]

I apologize for my ignorance if I've been mistaken, but is this true? It was not my understanding that recognizing Palestine also automatically meant recognizing Hamas as the equivalent of a state military entity.

I don't think there is an official answer for this. But none of the countries that recognize Palestine as a country consider Hamas a terrorist organization.

[Pakuni]

Bcrape.  You believe Blinken and whatever you want.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-correspondent-fact-checks-claims-about-6-billion-released-by-us-to-iran/

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-correspondent-fact-checks-claims-about-6-billion-released-by-us-to-iran/

It's a very strange thing on the American right, that everything that happens negatively somewhere around the world, always has its roots in a bad decision made by the Biden administration.

Like everything in the world revolved around American politics.

[pacearrow02]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iranian-president-says-tehran-will-spend-6-billion-released-prisoner-e-rcna104475

[rocket surgeon]

I never thought I'd meet someone dumber then AOC. Then you come and post here.

  you met AOC?  umkay keep going shawny

[Pakuni]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iranian-president-says-tehran-will-spend-6-billion-released-prisoner-e-rcna104475

The money hasn't been released.
I know, reading is hard.

[GB Warrior]

The money hasn't been released.
I know, reading is hard.

To be fair, that article is written for at least a 10th grade reading level

[pacearrow02]

The money hasn't been released.
I know, reading is hard.

So with the their said intentions to use the money once released "however they want", I think it'd be in our best interest to freeze that money back up.

Yesterdays attack is believed to have been months in the making so they negotiated this agreement with us knowing full well that just a few weeks later they would be launching the region into chaos. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Bcrape.  You believe Blinken and whatever you want.

Not that you'll ever admit that you were wrong, but even Fox "news" says you are wrong.

[HutchwasClutch]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iranian-president-says-tehran-will-spend-6-billion-released-prisoner-e-rcna104475

So much for the humanitarian purposes only narrative. 

[Uncle Rico]

So with the their said intentions to use the money once released "however they want", I think it'd be in our best interest to freeze that money back up.

Yesterdays attack is believed to have been months in the making so they negotiated this agreement with us knowing full well that just a few weeks later they would be launching the region into chaos.

Stick to being wrong about Covid

[Pakuni]

So with the their said intentions to use the money once released "however they want", I think it'd be in our best interest to freeze that money back up.

Yesterdays attack is believed to have been months in the making so they negotiated this agreement with us knowing full well that just a few weeks later they would be launching the region into chaos.

That guy can say whatever they want. Doesn't make it true or possible.
The fact is, the money is being moved from one restricted account in South Korea to another restricted account in Qatar. Spending from that account will be limited to humanitarian purposes, and the U.S. maintains oversight of that.
Contrary to the false narrative you and others are pushing, nobody is cutting Iran a $6 billion check and saying "live it up."

The reality is Iran has, and will continue to, fund terrorism. This does nothing to change that either way.
But sure, blame America.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/iran-hostage-deal-clarifying-6-billion-transfer

[HutchwasClutch]

The money hasn't been released.
I know, reading is hard.

Great.  So you can feel self righteous at this moment, but ultimately we know Iran isn't so stupid to release 5 American hostages in exchange for access to $6B for humanitarian purposes only as the narrative has been shoved at everyone. They'll make sure that's used for plenty of cold blooded and ruthless killing as their president told Lester Holt. 

But hey, take a victory lap that you're right this day and never mind what's in the future as a result of this incompetence by the people who make decisions for ol' Joe.

[Uncle Rico]

Great.  So you can feel self righteous at this moment, but ultimately we know Iran isn't so stupid to release 5 American hostages in exchange for access to $6B for humanitarian purposes only as the narrative has been shoved at everyone. They'll make sure that's used for plenty of cold blooded and ruthless killing as their president told Lester Holt. 

But hey, take a victory lap that you're right this day and never mind what's in the future as a result of this incompetence by the people who make decisions for ol' Joe.

Who is at fault for what happened yesterday?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Who is at fault for what happened yesterday?

Again, according to the American right, its Joe Biden.  He's at fault for everything that goes wrong in the world today because the world revolves around the American political narrative.

[Pakuni]

Great.  So you can feel self righteous at this moment, but ultimately we know Iran isn't so stupid to release 5 American hostages in exchange for access to $6B for humanitarian purposes only as the narrative has been shoved at everyone. They'll make sure that's used for plenty of cold blooded and ruthless killing as their president told Lester Holt. 

But hey, take a victory lap that you're right this day and never mind what's in the future as a result of this incompetence by the people who make decisions for ol' Joe.

"Narrative has been shoved at everyone" is a weird way of saying "truth," but sure. You're obviously completely ignorant about this subject.

And why is it you guys always take the word of guys like Putin and Iranian mullahs over our intelligence community or, in this case, the U.S. Treasury?
Blame America!

[HutchwasClutch]

That guy can say whatever they want. Doesn't make it true or possible.
The fact is, the money is being moved from one restricted account in South Korea to another restricted account in Qatar. Spending from that account will be limited to humanitarian purposes, and the U.S. maintains oversight of that.
Contrary to the false narrative you and others are pushing, nobody is cutting Iran a $6 billion check and saying "live it up."

The reality is Iran has, and will continue to, fund terrorism. This does nothing to change that either way.
But sure, blame America.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/iran-hostage-deal-clarifying-6-billion-transfer

What f'ing alternative universe do you like that Iran is really content to surrender 5 of our people in exchange for funds that can only be used for humanitarian purposes?!  That goes against everything we know to be true about how evil Iran's leaders have shown themselves. 

And no, this isn't blaming America, this is blaming a stupid and incompetent presidential administration with a senile figurehead.