Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

I'd swear that 9-11 was a combination of Crean's and ND's fault. (and obviously the brainiacs at UW-Madison were the masterminds.)

I had heard Bo cooled on Muhammad Atta

[WhiteTrash]

I had heard Bo cooled on Muhammad Atta

Didn't have the grades.

[MuggsyB]

Yeah I think they completely overplayed their hand here. I’m not sure Israel wants Gaza - better to occupy it and not give its residents the rights of citizens.

When I think of "rights of citizens" the first thing that comes to my mind is how kind and considerate Arabian countries have been to Palestinians.  Both when they occupied territories in Israel and now.  If the '67 borders existed today it would be all gumdrop smiles and rivers of chocolate.  And Palestinian leadership has also been sublime.  Especially when they've rejected every deal on the table. 

[Pakuni]

Didn't have the grades.

His mother was terrible to deal with.

[Skatastrophy]

In the spirit of 'history never repeats itself, but it rhymes' it appears to me that Hamas is trying to succeed where the October War failed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

They should have found some allies, eh?

[MU82]

There is vehement antisemitism on both the far right and far left.

Sigh.

The leader of one of our two major political parties gladly accepts and solicits support from raging (and often violent) antisemites who would like to "cleanse" America. His favorite congressperson, one who has been floated as his possible 2024 running mate, blames Jewish Space Lasers for some of America's ills.

But sure, Ilhan Omar is an antisemite, and that sucks and I wish she weren't in Congress. But she has never been nor will ever be the president of the United States, she has no chance to ever be the U.S. vice president, and she is not the unquestioned leader of one of our two parties.

Good bothsiderism, though. Very fine people on both sides, dontcha know?!?!

[MuggsyB]

Sigh.

The leader of one of our two major political parties gladly accepts and solicits support from raging (and often violent) antisemites who would like to "cleanse" America. His favorite congressperson, one who has been floated as his possible 2024 running mate, blames Jewish Space Lasers for some of America's ills.

But sure, Ilhan Omar is an antisemite, and that sucks and I wish she weren't in Congress. But she has never been nor will ever be the president of the United States, she has no chance to ever be the U.S. vice president, and she is not the unquestioned leader of one of our two parties.

Good bothsiderism, though. Very fine people on both sides, dontcha know?!?!

It's more than Omar and it's all over Europe and has been well documented. 

[Pakuni]

It's more than Omar and it's all over Europe and has been well documented.

Don't conflate antisemitism with anti-Israel. They aren't synonymous.
And yes, antisemitism is terrible and on the rise. And no, it's not driven equally by "both sides."

[WhiteTrash]

 

Sigh.

The leader of one of our two major political parties gladly accepts and solicits support from raging (and often violent) antisemites who would like to "cleanse" America. His favorite congressperson, one who has been floated as his possible 2024 running mate, blames Jewish Space Lasers for some of America's ills.

But sure, Ilhan Omar is an antisemite, and that sucks and I wish she weren't in Congress. But she has never been nor will ever be the president of the United States, she has no chance to ever be the U.S. vice president, and she is not the unquestioned leader of one of our two parties.

Good bothsiderism, though. Very fine people on both sides, dontcha know?!?!

[MU82]

It's more than Omar and it's all over Europe and has been well documented.

Antisemitism is rampant in Europe, you're right. Putin is one of the leading Jew-haters out there, and yet GOP leaders - including the unquestioned leader - are constantly defending him and being deferential to him; many think he should just be handed Ukraine.

But I was talking specifically about antisemitism in America. Where we live.

And yes, it's more than Omar. It's the previous president and millions of his supporters, too. David Duke publicly thanked him for his "very fine people" comment. I'm pretty sure very few of them are voting for Biden - or even a fellow antisemite like Omar.

[MuggsyB]

Don't conflate antisemitism with anti-Israel. They aren't synonymous.
And yes, antisemitism is terrible and on the rise. And no, it's not driven equally by "both sides."

This is the common talking point of the far left.  They're not identical, and far right antisemitism is more violent, but the anti-israeli rhetoric and sentiment is a major contributor to antisemitism.  It leads to more prejudice from people who don't know anything about the history of Jews, Israel, The Middle East, etc, etc, etc. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

This is the common talking point of the far left.  They're not identical, and far right antisemitism is more violent, but the anti-israeli rhetoric and sentiment is a major contributor to antisemitism.  It leads to more prejudice from people who don't know anything about the history of Jews, Israel, The Middle East, etc, etc, etc. 

Yeah this is horsesh*t.  If people don’t understand the difference between anti-Israel and antisemitism, then that’s on them.

[WhiteTrash]

Yeah this is horsesh*t.  If people don’t understand the difference between anti-Israel and antisemitism, then that’s on them.

Republican talking point:
"Yeah this is horsesh*t.  If people don’t understand the difference between anti-illegal immigration and racism, then that’s on them."
 

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

Sigh.

The leader of one of our two major political parties gladly accepts and solicits support from raging (and often violent) antisemites who would like to "cleanse" America. His favorite congressperson, one who has been floated as his possible 2024 running mate, blames Jewish Space Lasers for some of America's ills.

But sure, Ilhan Omar is an antisemite, and that sucks and I wish she weren't in Congress. But she has never been nor will ever be the president of the United States, she has no chance to ever be the U.S. vice president, and she is not the unquestioned leader of one of our two parties.

Good bothsiderism, though. Very fine people on both sides, dontcha know?!?!

Anti-modern Israel is not anti semitism.

Omar suggesting AIPAC has significant lobbying influence in our politics and policy to the terms of of millions is easily enough outlined in their annual reports of campaign contributions and lobbying.

As is completely their right to do so within our contribution laws.

But lobbing antisemitism accusations over criticism of a country’s actions and human rights record weakens its impact when needs to be used against white power nazi freaks in the replies of Elon tweets these days.

Nobody should be immune to criticism. We as Americans should be the first ones to know this needs to be the case.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Republican talking point:
"Yeah this is horsesh*t.  If people don’t understand the difference between anti-illegal immigration and racism, then that’s on them."
 

Agreed.

[MuggsyB]

I didn't say they were the same thing or that Israel shouldn't be criticized.  The fact of the matter is ideological Anti-Israeli sentiment, which is ubiquitous and taught all over the world ,without the entire context, is very damaging to increased worldwide antisemitism. 

[forgetful]

At least 260 people murdered at a music festival. Disgusting.

76 children have already died in Israeli bombings of housing complexes. Also Disgusting.

There are no winners in this conflict. And no winners in all the historic conflict in Israel/Palestine.

[MU82]

Anti-modern Israel is not anti semitism.

Omar suggesting AIPAC has significant lobbying influence in our politics and policy to the terms of of millions is easily enough outlined in their annual reports of campaign contributions and lobbying.

As is completely their right to do so within our contribution laws.

But lobbing antisemitism accusations over criticism of a country’s actions and human rights record weakens its impact when needs to be used against white power nazi freaks in the replies of Elon tweets these days.

Nobody should be immune to criticism. We as Americans should be the first ones to know this needs to be the case.

I agree with much of this. Often, comments criticizing Israeli leadership are not antisemitic.

But sometimes they are, or they serve as dog whistles.

It goes the other way, too. The previous president is generally pro-Israel but he has a long, ugly history of supporting antisemitism.

Omar has pushed some antisemitic tropes. Of course, sincere or not (only she can know), she did apologize. And the national Democratic Party condemned her statements.

Contrast that to Ms. Jewish Space Laser, an overt antisemite who has been given a prominent role by the GOP, is regularly praised by the unquestioned leader of the party, and is being mentioned as a possible VP candidate.

[Pakuni]

This is the common talking point of the far left.  They're not identical, and far right antisemitism is more violent, but the anti-israeli rhetoric and sentiment is a major contributor to antisemitism.  It leads to more prejudice from people who don't know anything about the history of Jews, Israel, The Middle East, etc, etc, etc.

So, people critical of specific policies of the Israeli government share responsibility for antisemitism?
Huh. Never mind that virulent antisemitism existed for centuries before the founding of Israel.

[MuggsyB]

It's being reported that Iran gave the go ahead and were directly involved in coordinating the attack.  This is going to take some time, especially because of the hostages.  Israel was clearly caught off guard but this may very well lead to not only destroying Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and other terrorist groups but Iran's leadership being introduced to darkness as well.  I fully expect USA support here for the long run and Iran's potential nuclear ambitions to be eliminated. 

[MuggsyB]

So, people critical of specific policies of the Israeli government share responsibility for antisemitism?
Huh. Never mind that virulent antisemitism existed for centuries before the founding of Israel.

Have you seen the rallies going on today in New Yori?  There is antisemitism on the far left Pakumi. 

[4everwarriors]

Y'all are delusional and out of touch with reality if you believe anti-Israel doesn't equate to anti-semitism . They are one and the same and cannot be separated in an attempt to soften the blow with semantics, hey?

[MUBurrow]

Y'all are delusional and out of touch with reality if you believe anti-Israel doesn't equate to anti-semitism . They are one and the same and cannot be separated in an attempt to soften the blow with semantics, hey?

Can you explain this in the context of the almost American levels of political division within Israel?  Is believing one of those sides is right and the other is wrong, and speaking out against the side you believe is wrong, also anti-semitic?

[Pakuni]

Y'all are delusional and out of touch with reality if you believe anti-Israel doesn't equate to anti-semitism . They are one and the same and cannot be separated in an attempt to soften the blow with semantics, hey?

So Jewish Americans who oppose policies of the Israeli government are antisemites?
Interesting.  I'll tell them a dentist from Wisconsin understands antisemitism better than they do.

[Pakuni]

Have you seen the rallies going on today in New Yori?  There is antisemitism on the far left Pakumi.

1. No one here said there was zero antisemitism on the left
2. You continue to conflate antisemitism with anti-Israel.  Despite what the poorest spelling members of the Suburban Milwaukee Dental Association say, they're not the same thing.