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Dickthedribbler

Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 08, 2022, 09:26:48 AM
Is she gonna sing the Star Spangled Banner at the super bowl?

While taking a knee.

4everwarriors

Wait a minute watt's her pronouns, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Jay Bee

Did they vape on the plane ride home?
The portal is NOT closed.

tower912

For their sake, I hope so.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Spaniel with a Short Tail

Not sure what BG has to do with Ukraine but I trust the professionals in the State Department to have concluded that this was the best deal they could have made. I think it's also noteworthy that Bout has already served 14 years of his sentence. It is questionable that he will ever be able to return to arms trafficking. It was noteworthy how the President warned all U.S. travelers to make themselves aware of the State Department's travel bulletins before leaving the country.

The Sultan

I think Bout may not last long in Russia either.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 08, 2022, 02:19:57 PM
Not sure what BG has to do with Ukraine but I trust the professionals in the State Department to have concluded that this was the best deal they could have made. I think it's also noteworthy that Bout has already served 14 years of his sentence. It is questionable that he will ever be able to return to arms trafficking. It was noteworthy how the President warned all U.S. travelers to make themselves aware of the State Department's travel bulletins before leaving the country.

As I pointed out to someone, that Bout now has to actually live in Russia which just plain sucks.  He was probably better off in a US prison.

MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on December 08, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
I think Bout may not last long in Russia either.

He'll fall out of a basement window pretty soon.

lawdog77

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 08, 2022, 02:33:19 PM
As I pointed out to someone, that Bout now has to actually live in Russia which just plain sucks.  He was probably better off in a US prison.
Due to our effective prison system, I am sure he is rehabilitated

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 08, 2022, 02:19:57 PM
Not sure what BG has to do with Ukraine but I trust the professionals in the State Department to have concluded that this was the best deal they could have made. I think it's also noteworthy that Bout has already served 14 years of his sentence. It is questionable that he will ever be able to return to arms trafficking. It was noteworthy how the President warned all U.S. travelers to make themselves aware of the State Department's travel bulletins before leaving the country.

Optics is all that mattered here.

Russia was able to bully the US into releasing a scumbag to get a basketball player back.

The Sultan

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 08, 2022, 03:43:48 PM
Optics is all that mattered here.

Russia was able to bully the US into releasing a scumbag to get a basketball player back.


Not really, but whatever.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on December 08, 2022, 03:44:45 PM

Not really, but whatever.

Explain how that isn't the case.  Russia got what it wanted, and sent a pretty terrible message to the world.  Which also makes the US appear weak.

Are BG and her family happy?  I'm sure they're ecstatic, and I'm very happy for them.  But the message sent to the world today is that you can arrest a US citizen, convict and hold them on a trumped up charge, and then ransom them for a global terrorist. 

Jay Bee

Yes. Americans are today less safe due to this  decision.
The portal is NOT closed.

JWags85

Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 08, 2022, 02:19:57 PM
Not sure what BG has to do with Ukraine but I trust the professionals in the State Department to have concluded that this was the best deal they could have made. I think it's also noteworthy that Bout has already served 14 years of his sentence. It is questionable that he will ever be able to return to arms trafficking. It was noteworthy how the President warned all U.S. travelers to make themselves aware of the State Department's travel bulletins before leaving the country.

Pentagon already is quoted as saying they worry about him returning to arms trafficking

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 08, 2022, 03:59:04 PM
Explain how that isn't the case.  Russia got what it wanted, and sent a pretty terrible message to the world.  Which also makes the US appear weak.

Are BG and her family happy?  I'm sure they're ecstatic, and I'm very happy for them.  But the message sent to the world today is that you can arrest a US citizen, convict and hold them on a trumped up charge, and then ransom them for a global terrorist. 

YEP.   Regardless of Whelan's family saying they are happy for BG, the fact that Russia was like "nah, not him for a notorious global criminal, just a petty civilian" is terrible messaging and optics.

And it has nothing to do with armchair expertise, the only positive response I've seen from this all day is from people pushing a very distinct agenda.  Which is as pathetic as people claiming a certain former president would have done so much better,

jesmu84

Quote from: JWags85 on December 08, 2022, 04:10:35 PM
Pentagon already is quoted as saying they worry about him returning to arms trafficking


YEP.   Regardless of Whelan's family saying they are happy for BG, the fact that Russia was like "nah, not him for a notorious global criminal, just a petty civilian" is terrible messaging and optics.

And it has nothing to do with armchair expertise, the only positive response I've seen from this all day is from people pushing a very distinct agenda.  Which is as pathetic as people claiming a certain former president would have done so much better,

What's the deal with this guy? Saw a few social media mentions today

WhiteTrash

What pro player or entertainer will get Chapo back to Mexico?

Oprah for Chapo?

Maybe TB for Chapo?

The US State Department made it clear, we will wheel and deal with anybody for the right player.

I'd kind of like Jerry West as our next Secretary of State. That man can make deals.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 08, 2022, 04:17:57 PM
What's the deal with this guy? Saw a few social media mentions today

He's totally not a US spy.  ;)

Pakuni

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 08, 2022, 03:59:04 PM
Explain how that isn't the case.  Russia got what it wanted, and sent a pretty terrible message to the world.  Which also makes the US appear weak.

Are BG and her family happy?  I'm sure they're ecstatic, and I'm very happy for them.  But the message sent to the world today is that you can arrest a US citizen, convict and hold them on a trumped up charge, and then ransom them for a global terrorist.

Please. Viktor Bout is a bad man, but he's not a global terrorist. There's a reason he received the minimum sentence and would have been paroled in about six years.

Pakuni

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 08, 2022, 04:07:10 PM
Yes. Americans are today less safe due to this  decision.

You're more likely to be harmed by a dentist than Viktor Bout.

Pakuni

Quote from: JWags85 on December 08, 2022, 04:10:35 PM
Pentagon already is quoted as saying they worry about him returning to arms trafficking

I believe the Pentagon said, "People like Viktor Bout shouldn't be fueling bloodshed by selling weapons to warring factions overseas. That's our job."

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 08, 2022, 03:43:48 PM
Optics is all that mattered here.

Russia was able to bully the US into releasing a scumbag to get a basketball player back.

Not just a basketball player - a basketball player who is at least a minor celebrity, African American and a member of the LGBTQ community. That's also part of the optics that mattered. None of the other Americans being held hostage checked any of those boxes.

Maybe this was the "best deal available". That doesn't mean it wasn't a bad deal.

withoutbias

Fox News really does put the fear of god in people.

withoutbias

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2022, 05:54:01 PM
Not just a basketball player - a basketball player who is at least a minor celebrity, African American and a member of the LGBTQ community. That's also part of the optics that mattered. None of the other Americans being held hostage checked any of those boxes.

Maybe this was the "best deal available". That doesn't mean it wasn't a bad deal.

Ah yes. Nobody ever looks out for the straight white male with money. Minority LGBT females have it so dang cushy in this country. Surely Tom Brady would've been left in a Russian jail cell for 9 years!

Lol. Gtfo

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Pakuni on December 08, 2022, 05:23:23 PM
You're more likely to be harmed by a dentist than Viktor Bout.

  looks like pakman wants to take over scoop's most mean-spirited, disagreeable and insulting member position with this one.   
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

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