"Catholic Knights" Building For Sale

[The Sultan]

You admit they're trolls yet you still respond.  That says something, but not what you think it does.

[Skatastrophy]

I moved to Chicago to escape the violence in Milwaukee.

[shoothoops]

You admit they're trolls yet you still respond.  That says something, but not what you think it does.

I think you have that backwards.

I responded to the thread topic, (this one is Catholic Knights building) as I usually do. I saw a social validation troll along the way and corrected their misinformation. I'm happy to talk about a wide variety of places, people, things, topics that seem to bother some other people.

Milwaukee, Chicago, (places I've lived) Detroit or wherever the people in the thread are from all have their fair share of crime. There's currently a several page thread here discussing Milwaukee crime. I don't feel any urge to troll. If I was bothered I would. I'm not. Trolling says more about the people who troll than the people places or things they troll.

Again, as for the actual topic, Marquette  can buy the Catholic Knights Building, (I'm familiar with the building) renovate it, and use it for housing. And it would be just fine.

[The Sultan]

I think you have that backwards.

I responded to the thread topic, (this one is Catholic Knights building) as I usually do. I saw a social validation troll along the way and corrected their misinformation. I'm happy to talk about a wide variety of places, people, things, topics that seem to bother some other people.

Milwaukee, Chicago, (places I've lived) Detroit or wherever the people in the thread are from all have their fair share of crime. There's currently a several page thread here discussing Milwaukee crime. I don't feel any urge to troll. If I was bothered I would. I'm not. Trolling says more about the people who troll than the people places or things they troll.

Again, as for the actual topic, Marquette  can buy the Catholic Knights Building, (I'm familiar with the building) renovate it, and use it for housing. And it would be just fine.

LOL.  Four paragraphs.  (None of which I am bothering to read.)

You never fail to disappoint.

[shoothoops]

LOL.  Four paragraphs.  (None of which I am bothering to read.)

You never fail to disappoint.

Of course you read it, again. And responded, again. Neither of which were about the topic itself, so you gaslighted instead.

Anything in your post about the Catholic Knights Building for sale? Nope.

I also posted about New York this week. Somehow that one received crickets.

Anything in your posts rwplying to me about the Catholic Knights building for sale? Nope.

[Uncle Rico]

Molina sucks

[The Sultan]

The Catholic Knights Building doesn't respect the Cardinal Way.

[Billy Hoyle]

He is looking back with sepia tinged fondness to his youth.  It is typical to edit the bad parts out, unless of course, it can make you feel heroic.    This is fairly universal once you reach a certain age.



I allowed my daughter to make her own college choice.   She chose Ypsilanti.  If my son chooses Marquette, I will worry far more about the $60k than I will the neighborhood.   

I might warn him against the possibility of becoming a grumpy old sweater vest

Both my wife and I considered EMU in the 90's. Her parents vetoed it after the tour, my parents and I in and we didn't stop to do the tour. MU was fine. As they told us at Preview, be street smart, don't go certain places alone. That can be said about any campus. A girl was murdered at Columbia not too long ago, I don't think that means people will or should stop going there.

[tower912]

Grand Valley State is nearby.   TAMU knows it well.    It is in the middle of a cornfield with a small town next door.    They have shootings there, too.   Muggings.   Sexual assaults.    But the county doesn't have the same resources as Milwaukee does.    Or Madison.    There is crime in the city.   There is crime in the country.    I just saw an article that after Wayne County (Detroit) the next 10 counties for highest gun crimes per capita in Michigan are all in the Upper Peninsula.    Michigan Tech.   Northern Michigan.   Lake Superior State.   
    It comes down to what an individual student wants to study and what environment they want to do it in.     

[rocket surgeon]

those damn guns just running around shooting everything in sight all over the country it seems

[Uncle Rico]

those damn guns just running around shooting everything in sight all over the country it seems

5 of 10, not your worst, not your best

[pbiflyer]

My daughter was going to apply to university of Texas, but no more. She says it's too dangerous in Texas.

[MU82]

those damn guns just running around shooting everything in sight all over the country it seems

We need more of them.

If every man, woman and child over 3 had a gun and carried it in public -- obviously loaded with no safeties on, because what good is a gun if you can't kill somebody instantly? -- just imagine how safe we'd all be!

[warriorchick]

At the game tonight, I sat next to a high-ranking person in Marquette's finance department.

They told us that Marquette isn't interested in the building because it's in pretty bad shape and it isn't expected to last too much longer.

[MU82]

it's in pretty bad shape and it isn't expected to last too much longer.

The same is probably true of many Scoopers!

[asdfasdf]

So, first you cite personal experience to tell us how much things have changed there ... except that here you say you haven't lived anywhere near "da hood" for decades, nu?

It's a city. There is crime. Less than some cities, more than others.

But I actually agree with you that the more stuff in the blocks surrounding the campus Marquette buys, the better.

I wonder if instead of buying land adjacent to campus, marquette could incentivize people buying and living in the surrounding neighborhoods.

Washington university in st. Louis (not making this about st. Louis, sorry everyone) has a program where employees can get a lump of cash from the university If the employee buys a primary residence in a designated neighborhood. If memory serves it could be up to $10k. That's a lot of dough if you're a young professional, buying their first house, in a not so great neighborhood where prices are already lower.

The program took over a decade to really show results, but it definitely stabilized the neighborhoods near the washu undergrad and medical school campuses. And it must benefit the school somewhat, they just expanded the program to include quite a few more neighborhoods.

Washu has a lot more money than marquette and can afford to take a punt like this. But if marquette is serious about making campus feel safer, this might be a good option. Might be a better long term solution than pumping more money into security.

[MU82]

I wonder if instead of buying land adjacent to campus, marquette could incentivize people buying and living in the surrounding neighborhoods.

Washington university in st. Louis (not making this about st. Louis, sorry everyone) has a program where employees can get a lump of cash from the university If the employee buys a primary residence in a designated neighborhood. If memory serves it could be up to $10k. That's a lot of dough if you're a young professional, buying their first house, in a not so great neighborhood where prices are already lower.

The program took over a decade to really show results, but it definitely stabilized the neighborhoods near the washu undergrad and medical school campuses. And it must benefit the school somewhat, they just expanded the program to include quite a few more neighborhoods.

Washu has a lot more money than marquette and can afford to take a punt like this. But if marquette is serious about making campus feel safer, this might be a good option. Might be a better long term solution than pumping more money into security.

That's an outstanding plan, and I'm glad it has worked at Wash U.

[The Sultan]

I think those types of programs work better if the neighborhood is more "transitional" in nature.  It probably could have worked in the 70s or early 80s, but the housing stock now is just so poor. 

[asdfasdf]

Are there other schools, particularly urban and Jesuit ones, with similar programs that you know of? Just curious.

I agree re: the housing stock. I think the area to the north of marquette could benefit from a program like this. Maybe to the west but I don't think there is a lot there. East (downtown) and south (highway) are non starters.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Are there other schools, particularly urban and Jesuit ones, with similar programs that you know of? Just curious.

I agree re: the housing stock. I think the area to the north of marquette could benefit from a program like this. Maybe to the west but I don't think there is a lot there. East (downtown) and south (highway) are non starters.

You mean like the program Yale has had with New Haven since 1994?

https://your.yale.edu/work-yale/benefits/yale-signature-benefits/homebuyer-program

[The Sultan]

You mean like the program Yale has had with New Haven since 1994?

https://your.yale.edu/work-yale/benefits/yale-signature-benefits/homebuyer-program

This is cool.  How would you compare the neighborhood around Yale to the neighborhood around Marquette?

[asdfasdf]

Wow, yale's program is really strong. Much more money involved than what washu offers (https://sustainability.wustl.edu/).

Probably not a coincidence that these are being offered by schools with massive endowments.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

This is cool.  How would you compare the neighborhood around Yale to the neighborhood around Marquette?

In the 90s I would compare similar to neighborhood around Marquette. 
The South, East & West parts of campus are downtown New Haven and we're Ok then and have been very hot properties the last 10-15 years.  Benefited town and university.  Yale built two new residence halls there as well as another building (security and student health I think?).  The city rebuilt the Farmington Canal bike and running trail through that part.  North isn't as bad as 20 years ago .  My understanding a lot employees live in New Haven to take advantage.

[MUBurrow]

At the game tonight, I sat next to a high-ranking person in Marquette's finance department.

They told us that Marquette isn't interested in the building because it's in pretty bad shape and it isn't expected to last too much longer.

I'm surprised that the condition of the building is a significant consideration. I would think that the location/land would be far more important than figuring out what to do with the building itself until they decide on a more permanent use.  I would bet money that if MU doesn't buy it now, they are the next owners after whoever does buy it now.

[The Sultan]

I'm surprised that the condition of the building is a significant consideration. I would think that the location/land would be far more important than figuring out what to do with the building itself until they decide on a more permanent use.  I would bet money that if MU doesn't buy it now, they are the next owners after whoever does buy it now.

Pretty expensive piece of property hemmed in on three sides by Aurora and the interstate and a building that would have to be maintained or razed. There would be much cheaper ways to expand the campus footprint.