"Catholic Knights" Building For Sale

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Boychick, dis iz my hometown. Lived heer my entire life. Itz knot yo father's MKE any moore. It ain't know grassy knoll quad. Itz da hood. Check out da crime stats bye zip code. DiUlio wuz write. Klose off da Ave. and put up a 20 ft. fence 'round campus, hey?

Actually that's exactly the opposite of what DiUlio wanted.  And where exactly have you lived your "entire life?"

[Hards Alumni]

Boychick, dis iz my hometown. Lived heer my entire life. Itz knot yo father's MKE any moore. It ain't know grassy knoll quad. Itz da hood. Check out da crime stats bye zip code. DiUlio wuz write. Klose off da Ave. and put up a 20 ft. fence 'round campus, hey?

You live 20 miles away.

[4everwarriors]

Now, but I lived the first 28 years of my life living on 29th and Wisconsin Ave. in a 5th floor walk up. Attended elementary school on 27th and Wisconsin Ave. Jr. high was at Walker Jr. High at 32nd and Mitchell. High school was at West Division on 23th and Highland, now known as School of the Arts, hey?

[Herman Cain]

Boychick, dis iz my hometown. Lived heer my entire life. Itz knot yo father's MKE any moore. It ain't know grassy knoll quad. Itz da hood. Check out da crime stats bye zip code. DiUlio wuz write. Klose off da Ave. and put up a 20 ft. fence 'round campus, hey?

Works very well at Fordham.

[swoopem]

I lived at 20th and Michigan (the big deck house) once I got out of the dorms in 2008-2010 and never felt unsafe. We were broken into one time during the summer but I wasn’t living there so I wasn’t worried. Also, all the guy took was a bag of frozen burgers, a gallon of OJ, one of my roommates coffee cans where he kept his loose change, and a backpack to carry it all. As hungry as he was, he must’ve been strong as sh!t cuz he ripped the bars off our window.

Other than that we had no problem living on the west side of campus

Also, the pool on top of the Catholic knights building was awesome. I got to go up there a couple times and it was always a good time

[tower912]

I lived at 20th and Michigan (the big deck house) once I got out of the dorms in 2008-2010 and never felt unsafe. We were broken into one time during the summer but I wasn’t living there so I wasn’t worried. Also, all the guy took was a bag of frozen burgers, a gallon of OJ, one of my roommates coffee cans where he kept his loose change, and a backpack to carry it all. As hungry as he was, he must’ve been strong as sh!t cuz he ripped the bars off our window.

Other than that we had no problem living on the west side of campus

Also, the pool on top of the Catholic knights building was awesome. I got to go up there a couple times and it was always a good time

I lived in that row of houses in 87-88. The downstairs apartment was broken into during the summer of 87 and the female resident assaulted.   Dahmer lived a few blocks north and was ramping up, though no one knew it at the time.  I broke up a mugging attempt at the entrance to the Mashuda parking lot.  The students just accepted the neighborhood as part of the experience.

[rocket surgeon]

interesting, the evolution of law enforcement on campus.  when i was there, public safety was unarmed and kind of a laughing stock, like what are they going to do, throw there "walkie-talkies' at the alleged perp?  i lived on 22nd and wisconsin, then 24th and wells with little to no incidences except for, well, the time my room mate and we had a gun aimed at us from by passing car...oh well. 

   

[swoopem]

I was a big fan of DPS. Never had any issues with them. In fact, they were on our side. We got to know a decent amount of them and we got along just fine. When they’d show up to our parties we would walk around with them pointing out who they should kick out and who should stay. I also took advantage of them giving us rides after 3am cuz most of my friends were at 14th and State area so other side of campus.

My older brother went to MU so I was well aware that DPS was on our side and not the enemy. It was funny the first few weeks of school watching kids run every time they’d show up as if they were actual cops out to get ya for underage drinking or something. Totally the opposite.

No idea what they’re like now that they are cops but hopefully they’re still cool

[4everwarriors]

I lived in that row of houses in 87-88. The downstairs apartment was broken into during the summer of 87 and the female resident assaulted.   Dahmer lived a few blocks north and was ramping up, though no one knew it at the time.  I broke up a mugging attempt at the entrance to the Mashuda parking lot.  The students just accepted the neighborhood as part of the experience.

Fahrenheit, its different now. Used to sell clothes on 20th and Fond du Lac Ave. all through high school, college, and dental school. I consider myself fairly "street smart." Honestly, there wasn't a neighborhood in MKE that I was afraid to enter. But, I'm no match for a couple of ass holes with guns. Marquette has a very real problem to deal with and they better deal with it quickly. Schools like U of Chicago, Yale, and Penn have bought up surrounding properties and insulated themselves from the the immediate crime. Unfortunately, this is not the Jesuit way. But, should students, faculty, or staff experience bodily harm while on campus or worse, the administration will have wished they had taken the proper steps to insure the campus was safe, hey?

[rocket surgeon]

Fahrenheit, its different now. Used to sell clothes on 20th and Fond du Lac Ave. all through high school, college, and dental school. I consider myself fairly "street smart." Honestly, there wasn't a neighborhood in MKE that I was afraid to enter. But, I'm no match for a couple of ass holes with guns. Marquette has a very real problem to deal with and they better deal with it quickly. Schools like U of Chicago, Yale, and Penn have bought up surrounding properties and insulated themselves from the the immediate crime. Unfortunately, this is not the Jesuit way. But, should students, faculty, or staff experience bodily harm while on campus or worse, the administration will have wished they had taken the proper steps to insure the campus was safe, hey?

dittos doc-milwaukee has changed drastically over the past 35-40 years.  immediate downtown used to be practically a "force field" to crime.  since the shopping center/mall chit the bed, the boundaries kinda dried up.  plus, they gotta go where the money is.  then ya got all this "justice reform" ain't doing anyone any favors.  diminish some "prohibitive resources" and ya get recidivism 101 leading to a big chit storm.  unfortunately, ya got a few dictating "reform" hurting those that need it most

[MU82]

Now, but I lived the first 28 years of my life living on 29th and Wisconsin Ave. in a 5th floor walk up. Attended elementary school on 27th and Wisconsin Ave. Jr. high was at Walker Jr. High at 32nd and Mitchell. High school was at West Division on 23th and Highland, now known as School of the Arts, hey?

So, first you cite personal experience to tell us how much things have changed there ... except that here you say you haven't lived anywhere near "da hood" for decades, nu?

It's a city. There is crime. Less than some cities, more than others.

But I actually agree with you that the more stuff in the blocks surrounding the campus Marquette buys, the better.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Boychick, dis iz my hometown. Lived heer my entire life. Itz knot yo father's MKE any moore. It ain't know grassy knoll quad. Itz da hood. Check out da crime stats bye zip code. DiUlio wuz write. Klose off da Ave. and put up a 20 ft. fence 'round campus, hey?

Jeezzz!  I was there 1987 thru 1991 and there was plenty of good old fashioned street crime.  Including Dahmer walking past my apartment every day on 15-1/2 & Kilbourn and having a fake gun pulled on us sitting outside on our Porch.  Every visit the last 15-20 years I've said this is not the Milwaukee I remember, it's way better.  My niece is there now and it doesn't seem to be an issue.  My brother also an alum said it's better than when we were there. 

[tower912]

There was crime and guns then, too.   One of the muggers I met at Mashuda had a gun in his belt.   There was a student killed in front of the flower shop across from Mashuda.   If memory serves, one of the reasons that the avalanche got away from bottles of PBR is that it was held up at gunpoint on a weekend and everybody had to lay on the floor.

Doc, you are suffering old man syndrome.
You're murf.

[muwarrior69]

I should have said "on-campus" apartments. There are plenty of parents whose children are too precious to live out in the neighborhood.

I saw a post recently in which a parent asked for recommendations for a "safe" shopping center for their kid to buy some clothes. The kid is a 20 year old man.

It's been over 50 years since I lived "on campus". It was pretty hard to tell if I was on campus or not in my day as you had locals living in homes across the street and in apartments behind Schroeder Hall. There were a lot of small businesses right on what you would call campus today on Wisconsin, Wells and 12th street. My parents never expressed any concern for my safety, but like I said it was 50 years ago and Milwaukee I'm sure is a different place today.

[4everwarriors]

So, first you cite personal experience to tell us how much things have changed there ... except that here you say you haven't lived anywhere near "da hood" for decades, nu?

It's a city. There is crime. Less than some cities, more than others.

But I actually agree with you that the more stuff in the blocks surrounding the campus Marquette buys, the better.

Sez the dude who only knows about today's Milwaukee when looking at pictures in Midwest Living or experiences the city when attending a bb game every 3 years. C'mon man, I am on campus each week and commute through the north side of MKE on a daily basis. Like I sed, it ain't your father's northern suburb of Chicago anymore, hey?

[pbiflyer]

Gofundme? Where the hell are all the Scoop dues going?

Hi I'm a first time listener, long time caller.......

[Spotcheck Billy]

Now, but I lived the first 28 years of my life living on 29th and Wisconsin Ave. in a 5th floor walk up. Attended elementary school on 27th and Wisconsin Ave. Jr. high was at Walker Jr. High at 32nd and Mitchell. High school was at West Division on 23th and Highland, now known as School of the Arts, hey?

and how do those olden times give you insight into that area 50 some years later?

[Pakuni]

Milwaukee homicide rate ...
1991: 25.6 per 100,000
2020: 16.4 per 100,000

[4everwarriors]

Yet, no one has answered my question. Would you send your kid to MU for $60k yearly knowing the crime stats of the campus and surrounding area, hey?

[dgies9156]

First of all, Marquette should be commended for its Campus Circle project, which recognized many of the concerns raised in here. The University worked to upgrade the area around campus to the benefit of both the students and the community. The shops, the enhanced security and the overall neighborhood improved has mattered.

Second, closing Wisconsin Avenue likely would not change the overall condition of the neighborhood. While I agree that Marquette badly handled the political and emotional side of closing Wisconsin through campus nearly 30 years ago, closing the avenue would have benefitted the university and adversely affected traffic patterns in nearby communities.

Third, the reality of an urban neighborhood is something everyone has to consider when they choose Marquette. Is there safety concerns -- of course. Should you be cautious, especially if you are a young woman, sadly yes. I'm sure the neighborhood is a deterrent to some families, especially those with children not experienced in living in an urban environment. Though I would find it ironic that those folks would alternatively consider Madison, The U in Minneapolis etc., many of which have less visible but still real neighborhood problems.

Fourth, Marquette will never put a 20 foot wall around campus. That's DEFINITELY NOT the Jesuit way.

The neighborhood has been what it is since the 1960s. If a student wants ivy walls, elegant quads and suburban style nearby neighborhoods, Marquette isn't the answer. But, if a student wants a great education, both academically and in life, Marquette is it. Sometimes, living amid considerable urban problems ensures both gratitude and action for what one has and can be!

[tower912]

He is looking back with sepia tinged fondness to his youth.  It is typical to edit the bad parts out, unless of course, it can make you feel heroic.    This is fairly universal once you reach a certain age.



I allowed my daughter to make her own college choice.   She chose Ypsilanti.  If my son chooses Marquette, I will worry far more about the $60k than I will the neighborhood.   

I might warn him against the possibility of becoming a grumpy old sweater vest

[tower912]

Milwaukee homicide rate ...
1991: 25.6 per 100,000
2020: 16.4 per 100,000

Yeah, but how many of that 25.6 was Dahmer?

[MU82]

Yet, no one has answered my question. Would you send your kid to MU for $60k yearly knowing the crime stats of the campus and surrounding area, hey?

Thousands of parents do.

My kids are in their 30s; it they were 18 and wanted to go to my alma mater, I'd be happy for them to go there. My kids grew up in Chicago, not some leafy suburb; they took the el to high school every day; they learned how to take care of themselves.

Would I spend $60K? I'd hope to not have to because they'd get scholarships to help with some of that. Very few students pay "list price" for college.

But price tag is irrelevant, or it should be. If you are very concerned about the safety around any campus, and you love your children, would you send them there if the price was $6K or $26K or $40K or $60K or $100K? Either the environment is safe enough or it isn't, nu?

IIRC (and folks will correct me if I'm recalling wrong), weren't MU applications and enrollments at or close to all-time highs before the pandemic? So, as I said, thousands of parents apparently have no problem with the safety around the Marquette campus.

[BrewCity83]

Yeah, but how many of that 25.6 was Dahmer?

1.4

[Uncle Rico]

Yet, no one has answered my question. Would you send your kid to MU for $60k yearly knowing the crime stats of the campus and surrounding area, hey?

Yes