MUScoop
MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: ChuckyChip on December 09, 2021, 11:53:40 AM
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Maybe MU will purchase -
https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/real-estate/commercial/2021/12/08/catholic-financial-life-sell-downtown-milwaukee-office-apartment-building/6421078001/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/real-estate/commercial/2021/12/08/catholic-financial-life-sell-downtown-milwaukee-office-apartment-building/6421078001/)
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While British Knights was the more popular shoe, I always rooted for Catholic Knights as the hometown brand.
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Anyone ever live there? I had a friend who had a 1BR there for a year. Great view, dump of an apartment more or less.
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I would guess that they have already reached out to Marquette and they declined at this time. Actually not sure what they would do with it. I'm pretty sure Aurora owns the vacant lot just across Wells St. from the AL so I don't think there is any adjoining property. Would they have use for the Tower Apartments that occupy the upper portion?
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I would guess that they have already reached out to Marquette and they declined at this time. Actually not sure what they would do with it. I'm pretty sure Aurora owns the vacant lot just across Wells St. from the AL so I don't think there is any adjoining property. Would they have use for the Tower Apartments that occupy the upper portion?
The demand for upper class apartments outstrips the supply. They would be full in a New York minute.
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The demand for upper class apartments outstrips the supply. They would be full in a New York minute.
Gotcha. Then this may be a good idea. They could either use or lease out the office space below. Provided the building is in decent shape.
However they would know how to crunch the numbers more than I would.
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Anyone ever live there? I had a friend who had a 1BR there for a year. Great view, dump of an apartment more or less.
I have known several mid- and upper-level professionals who have lived there, and they are the kind of people I wouldn't think would live in "a dump".
Maybe your friend just had one of the least desirable units. Or maybe it's just your friend's living habits.
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I lived there for a year. I wouldn’t call it a dump. It seemed pretty comparable to other apartments I lived in after undergrad.
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Gotcha. Then this may be a good idea. They could either use or lease out the office space below. Provided the building is in decent shape.
However they would know how to crunch the numbers more than I would.
I should have said "on-campus" apartments. There are plenty of parents whose children are too precious to live out in the neighborhood.
I saw a post recently in which a parent asked for recommendations for a "safe" shopping center for their kid to buy some clothes. The kid is a 20 year old man.
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I mean, I could start a gofundme to turn it into the MUScoop building...But I've been too busy designing a dirt bike track for the MUScoop yacht.
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I mean, I could start a gofundme to turn it into the MUScoop building...But I've been too busy designing a dirt bike track for the MUScoop yacht.
Hang a banner and open an Arby's in the lobby.
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Maybe MU will purchase -
https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/real-estate/commercial/2021/12/08/catholic-financial-life-sell-downtown-milwaukee-office-apartment-building/6421078001/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/real-estate/commercial/2021/12/08/catholic-financial-life-sell-downtown-milwaukee-office-apartment-building/6421078001/)
They could build a football field there
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Open a store to sell walking boots.
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Acquiring this building would be a sound long term investment for MU. It is really a no brainer. I am sure they will have to pay a premium given the market dynamics. However ; any time the University can acquire adjacent property it should take advantage of the opportunity. It can figure out what to do with it later.
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back in the good ole days, it was a pretty nice place. friend of mine lived on 10th floor. nice view, pool up top. i tended bar in both JJ garlics and houstons, both pretty decent restaurants on the first floor. met some very interesting people including lloyd walton, gerald boyle, and don nelson.
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They could build a football field on-campus basketball arena there
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I mean, I could start a gofundme to turn it into the MUScoop building...But I've been too busy designing a dirt bike track for the MUScoop yacht.
Gofundme? Where the hell are all the Scoop dues going?
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I should have said "on-campus" apartments. There are plenty of parents whose children are too precious to live out in the neighborhood.
I saw a post recently in which a parent asked for recommendations for a "safe" shopping center for their kid to buy some clothes. The kid is a 20 year old man.
These are legit questions that any concerned parent would raise. Not all crimes are reported. The west end of campus has had several armed robberies of students in the middle of the afternoon. MU needs to step up their safety measures before its too late. What do other universities, who are in crime ridden areas, do? Blue light phones and video cameras aren't going to be a deterrent. How many here are willing to drop $60k/year to have your son or daughter basically live in the hood, hey?
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Gofundme? Where the hell are all the Scoop dues going?
"designing a dirt bike track for the MUScoop yacht"
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It's like he didn't even read your post.
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There are a lot of people who fall in that category.
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There are a lot of people who fall in that category.
Hah, I think for at least 65%, muscoop is write-only!
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These are legit questions that any concerned parent would raise. Not all crimes are reported. The west end of campus has had several armed robberies of students in the middle of the afternoon. MU needs to step up their safety measures before its too late. What do other universities, who are in crime ridden areas, do? Blue light phones and video cameras aren't going to be a deterrent. How many here are willing to drop $60k/year to have your son or daughter basically live in the hood, hey?
Over the top. Marquette’s neighborhood is miles better than when I was a student.
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These are legit questions that any concerned parent would raise. Not all crimes are reported. The west end of campus has had several armed robberies of students in the middle of the afternoon. MU needs to step up their safety measures before its too late. What do other universities, who are in crime ridden areas, do? Blue light phones and video cameras aren't going to be a deterrent. How many here are willing to drop $60k/year to have your son or daughter basically live in the hood, hey?
"the hood." Your non-dribble act is funnier than your dribble act.
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Boychick, dis iz my hometown. Lived heer my entire life. Itz knot yo father's MKE any moore. It ain't know grassy knoll quad. Itz da hood. Check out da crime stats bye zip code. DiUlio wuz write. Klose off da Ave. and put up a 20 ft. fence 'round campus, hey?
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Boychick, dis iz my hometown. Lived heer my entire life. Itz knot yo father's MKE any moore. It ain't know grassy knoll quad. Itz da hood. Check out da crime stats bye zip code. DiUlio wuz write. Klose off da Ave. and put up a 20 ft. fence 'round campus, hey?
Actually that's exactly the opposite of what DiUlio wanted. And where exactly have you lived your "entire life?"
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Boychick, dis iz my hometown. Lived heer my entire life. Itz knot yo father's MKE any moore. It ain't know grassy knoll quad. Itz da hood. Check out da crime stats bye zip code. DiUlio wuz write. Klose off da Ave. and put up a 20 ft. fence 'round campus, hey?
You live 20 miles away.
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Now, but I lived the first 28 years of my life living on 29th and Wisconsin Ave. in a 5th floor walk up. Attended elementary school on 27th and Wisconsin Ave. Jr. high was at Walker Jr. High at 32nd and Mitchell. High school was at West Division on 23th and Highland, now known as School of the Arts, hey?
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Boychick, dis iz my hometown. Lived heer my entire life. Itz knot yo father's MKE any moore. It ain't know grassy knoll quad. Itz da hood. Check out da crime stats bye zip code. DiUlio wuz write. Klose off da Ave. and put up a 20 ft. fence 'round campus, hey?
Works very well at Fordham.
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I lived at 20th and Michigan (the big deck house) once I got out of the dorms in 2008-2010 and never felt unsafe. We were broken into one time during the summer but I wasn’t living there so I wasn’t worried. Also, all the guy took was a bag of frozen burgers, a gallon of OJ, one of my roommates coffee cans where he kept his loose change, and a backpack to carry it all. As hungry as he was, he must’ve been strong as sh!t cuz he ripped the bars off our window.
Other than that we had no problem living on the west side of campus
Also, the pool on top of the Catholic knights building was awesome. I got to go up there a couple times and it was always a good time
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I lived at 20th and Michigan (the big deck house) once I got out of the dorms in 2008-2010 and never felt unsafe. We were broken into one time during the summer but I wasn’t living there so I wasn’t worried. Also, all the guy took was a bag of frozen burgers, a gallon of OJ, one of my roommates coffee cans where he kept his loose change, and a backpack to carry it all. As hungry as he was, he must’ve been strong as sh!t cuz he ripped the bars off our window.
Other than that we had no problem living on the west side of campus
Also, the pool on top of the Catholic knights building was awesome. I got to go up there a couple times and it was always a good time
I lived in that row of houses in 87-88. The downstairs apartment was broken into during the summer of 87 and the female resident assaulted. Dahmer lived a few blocks north and was ramping up, though no one knew it at the time. I broke up a mugging attempt at the entrance to the Mashuda parking lot. The students just accepted the neighborhood as part of the experience.
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interesting, the evolution of law enforcement on campus. when i was there, public safety was unarmed and kind of a laughing stock, like what are they going to do, throw there "walkie-talkies' at the alleged perp? i lived on 22nd and wisconsin, then 24th and wells with little to no incidences except for, well, the time my room mate and we had a gun aimed at us from by passing car...oh well.
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I was a big fan of DPS. Never had any issues with them. In fact, they were on our side. We got to know a decent amount of them and we got along just fine. When they’d show up to our parties we would walk around with them pointing out who they should kick out and who should stay. I also took advantage of them giving us rides after 3am cuz most of my friends were at 14th and State area so other side of campus.
My older brother went to MU so I was well aware that DPS was on our side and not the enemy. It was funny the first few weeks of school watching kids run every time they’d show up as if they were actual cops out to get ya for underage drinking or something. Totally the opposite.
No idea what they’re like now that they are cops but hopefully they’re still cool
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I lived in that row of houses in 87-88. The downstairs apartment was broken into during the summer of 87 and the female resident assaulted. Dahmer lived a few blocks north and was ramping up, though no one knew it at the time. I broke up a mugging attempt at the entrance to the Mashuda parking lot. The students just accepted the neighborhood as part of the experience.
Fahrenheit, its different now. Used to sell clothes on 20th and Fond du Lac Ave. all through high school, college, and dental school. I consider myself fairly "street smart." Honestly, there wasn't a neighborhood in MKE that I was afraid to enter. But, I'm no match for a couple of ass holes with guns. Marquette has a very real problem to deal with and they better deal with it quickly. Schools like U of Chicago, Yale, and Penn have bought up surrounding properties and insulated themselves from the the immediate crime. Unfortunately, this is not the Jesuit way. But, should students, faculty, or staff experience bodily harm while on campus or worse, the administration will have wished they had taken the proper steps to insure the campus was safe, hey?
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Fahrenheit, its different now. Used to sell clothes on 20th and Fond du Lac Ave. all through high school, college, and dental school. I consider myself fairly "street smart." Honestly, there wasn't a neighborhood in MKE that I was afraid to enter. But, I'm no match for a couple of ass holes with guns. Marquette has a very real problem to deal with and they better deal with it quickly. Schools like U of Chicago, Yale, and Penn have bought up surrounding properties and insulated themselves from the the immediate crime. Unfortunately, this is not the Jesuit way. But, should students, faculty, or staff experience bodily harm while on campus or worse, the administration will have wished they had taken the proper steps to insure the campus was safe, hey?
dittos doc-milwaukee has changed drastically over the past 35-40 years. immediate downtown used to be practically a "force field" to crime. since the shopping center/mall chit the bed, the boundaries kinda dried up. plus, they gotta go where the money is. then ya got all this "justice reform" ain't doing anyone any favors. diminish some "prohibitive resources" and ya get recidivism 101 leading to a big chit storm. unfortunately, ya got a few dictating "reform" hurting those that need it most
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Now, but I lived the first 28 years of my life living on 29th and Wisconsin Ave. in a 5th floor walk up. Attended elementary school on 27th and Wisconsin Ave. Jr. high was at Walker Jr. High at 32nd and Mitchell. High school was at West Division on 23th and Highland, now known as School of the Arts, hey?
So, first you cite personal experience to tell us how much things have changed there ... except that here you say you haven't lived anywhere near "da hood" for decades, nu?
It's a city. There is crime. Less than some cities, more than others.
But I actually agree with you that the more stuff in the blocks surrounding the campus Marquette buys, the better.
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Boychick, dis iz my hometown. Lived heer my entire life. Itz knot yo father's MKE any moore. It ain't know grassy knoll quad. Itz da hood. Check out da crime stats bye zip code. DiUlio wuz write. Klose off da Ave. and put up a 20 ft. fence 'round campus, hey?
Jeezzz! I was there 1987 thru 1991 and there was plenty of good old fashioned street crime. Including Dahmer walking past my apartment every day on 15-1/2 & Kilbourn and having a fake gun pulled on us sitting outside on our Porch. Every visit the last 15-20 years I've said this is not the Milwaukee I remember, it's way better. My niece is there now and it doesn't seem to be an issue. My brother also an alum said it's better than when we were there.
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There was crime and guns then, too. One of the muggers I met at Mashuda had a gun in his belt. There was a student killed in front of the flower shop across from Mashuda. If memory serves, one of the reasons that the avalanche got away from bottles of PBR is that it was held up at gunpoint on a weekend and everybody had to lay on the floor.
Doc, you are suffering old man syndrome.
You're murf.
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I should have said "on-campus" apartments. There are plenty of parents whose children are too precious to live out in the neighborhood.
I saw a post recently in which a parent asked for recommendations for a "safe" shopping center for their kid to buy some clothes. The kid is a 20 year old man.
It's been over 50 years since I lived "on campus". It was pretty hard to tell if I was on campus or not in my day as you had locals living in homes across the street and in apartments behind Schroeder Hall. There were a lot of small businesses right on what you would call campus today on Wisconsin, Wells and 12th street. My parents never expressed any concern for my safety, but like I said it was 50 years ago and Milwaukee I'm sure is a different place today.
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So, first you cite personal experience to tell us how much things have changed there ... except that here you say you haven't lived anywhere near "da hood" for decades, nu?
It's a city. There is crime. Less than some cities, more than others.
But I actually agree with you that the more stuff in the blocks surrounding the campus Marquette buys, the better.
Sez the dude who only knows about today's Milwaukee when looking at pictures in Midwest Living or experiences the city when attending a bb game every 3 years. C'mon man, I am on campus each week and commute through the north side of MKE on a daily basis. Like I sed, it ain't your father's northern suburb of Chicago anymore, hey?
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Gofundme? Where the hell are all the Scoop dues going?
Hi I'm a first time listener, long time caller.......
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Now, but I lived the first 28 years of my life living on 29th and Wisconsin Ave. in a 5th floor walk up. Attended elementary school on 27th and Wisconsin Ave. Jr. high was at Walker Jr. High at 32nd and Mitchell. High school was at West Division on 23th and Highland, now known as School of the Arts, hey?
and how do those olden times give you insight into that area 50 some years later?
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Milwaukee homicide rate ...
1991: 25.6 per 100,000
2020: 16.4 per 100,000
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Yet, no one has answered my question. Would you send your kid to MU for $60k yearly knowing the crime stats of the campus and surrounding area, hey?
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First of all, Marquette should be commended for its Campus Circle project, which recognized many of the concerns raised in here. The University worked to upgrade the area around campus to the benefit of both the students and the community. The shops, the enhanced security and the overall neighborhood improved has mattered.
Second, closing Wisconsin Avenue likely would not change the overall condition of the neighborhood. While I agree that Marquette badly handled the political and emotional side of closing Wisconsin through campus nearly 30 years ago, closing the avenue would have benefitted the university and adversely affected traffic patterns in nearby communities.
Third, the reality of an urban neighborhood is something everyone has to consider when they choose Marquette. Is there safety concerns -- of course. Should you be cautious, especially if you are a young woman, sadly yes. I'm sure the neighborhood is a deterrent to some families, especially those with children not experienced in living in an urban environment. Though I would find it ironic that those folks would alternatively consider Madison, The U in Minneapolis etc., many of which have less visible but still real neighborhood problems.
Fourth, Marquette will never put a 20 foot wall around campus. That's DEFINITELY NOT the Jesuit way.
The neighborhood has been what it is since the 1960s. If a student wants ivy walls, elegant quads and suburban style nearby neighborhoods, Marquette isn't the answer. But, if a student wants a great education, both academically and in life, Marquette is it. Sometimes, living amid considerable urban problems ensures both gratitude and action for what one has and can be!
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He is looking back with sepia tinged fondness to his youth. It is typical to edit the bad parts out, unless of course, it can make you feel heroic. This is fairly universal once you reach a certain age.
I allowed my daughter to make her own college choice. She chose Ypsilanti. If my son chooses Marquette, I will worry far more about the $60k than I will the neighborhood.
I might warn him against the possibility of becoming a grumpy old sweater vest
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Milwaukee homicide rate ...
1991: 25.6 per 100,000
2020: 16.4 per 100,000
Yeah, but how many of that 25.6 was Dahmer?
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Yet, no one has answered my question. Would you send your kid to MU for $60k yearly knowing the crime stats of the campus and surrounding area, hey?
Thousands of parents do.
My kids are in their 30s; it they were 18 and wanted to go to my alma mater, I'd be happy for them to go there. My kids grew up in Chicago, not some leafy suburb; they took the el to high school every day; they learned how to take care of themselves.
Would I spend $60K? I'd hope to not have to because they'd get scholarships to help with some of that. Very few students pay "list price" for college.
But price tag is irrelevant, or it should be. If you are very concerned about the safety around any campus, and you love your children, would you send them there if the price was $6K or $26K or $40K or $60K or $100K? Either the environment is safe enough or it isn't, nu?
IIRC (and folks will correct me if I'm recalling wrong), weren't MU applications and enrollments at or close to all-time highs before the pandemic? So, as I said, thousands of parents apparently have no problem with the safety around the Marquette campus.
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Yeah, but how many of that 25.6 was Dahmer?
1.4
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Yet, no one has answered my question. Would you send your kid to MU for $60k yearly knowing the crime stats of the campus and surrounding area, hey?
Yes
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I might warn him against the possibility of becoming a grumpy old sweater vest
Biggest single deterrent to a Marquette education.
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Yet, no one has answered my question. Would you send your kid to MU for $60k yearly knowing the crime stats of the campus and surrounding area, hey?
Yes. As stated many times, my current Junior in college daughter desperately wanted to attend, but ended up elsewhere largely money related.
Yes. My niece is a Junior at Marquette now and my brother and sister-in-law graduated in 1993.
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Not to get too far afield, but it's interesting how certain media networks have brainwashed their audience (mostly older, suburban and rural) to believe urban crime is far more frightening than a contagious disease that's about 40-50 times more likely to kill them
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He is looking back with sepia tinged fondness to his youth. It is typical to edit the bad parts out, unless of course, it can make you feel heroic. This is fairly universal once you reach a certain age.
I allowed my daughter to make her own college choice. She chose Ypsilanti. If my son chooses Marquette, I will worry far more about the $60k than I will the neighborhood.
I might warn him against the possibility of becoming a grumpy old sweater vest
So sad on both counts. MU was a blue collar school in my day where scholarships were not necessary due to the fact it was affordable and within reach for most working class (i.e. non-professional) families.
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Yet, no one has answered my question. Would you send your kid to MU for $60k yearly knowing the crime stats of the campus and surrounding area, hey?
I did. And IMO the neighborhood around campus is way better than it was when I was in school in the late 80s. Marquette did just as you stated. They bought up the local properties around campus and cleaned them up.
But they didn't build a wall. Why offer an urban experience than cut yourself off from that experience?
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I might warn him against the possibility of becoming a grumpy old sweater vest
I might warn him against dentistry as a career, too.
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Works very well at Fordham.
My daughter toured Fordham last year. In addition to the fence, I felt like there had to be some sort of invisible soundproof bubble over the campus as well LOL. It was quiet, you could hear the birds chirping, very peaceful. As soon as you stepped outside of their campus gates, it was high decibel Bronx.
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Yet, no one has answered my question. Would you send your kid to MU for $60k yearly knowing the crime stats of the campus and surrounding area, hey?
My daughter just applied......
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Not to get too far afield, but it's interesting how certain media networks have brainwashed their audience (mostly older, suburban and rural) to believe urban crime is far more frightening than a contagious disease that's about 40-50 times more likely to kill them
Urban crime...and immigrants...and muslims...and black people...and terrorists massing at the southern border...and on and on.
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Fear.
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Sheesh. A couple people here sound like Madison fans. Or WIAA people from outside of Milwaukee that are scared of putting a State Tournament on in Milwaukee. "We can't go into big, bad, scary Milwaukee. We won't come out alive!"
Went to Marquette High, then Marquette U, and have commuted through "the hood" for the last 8 years. Can count the number of times I felt even mildly uncomfortable on one hand. Bad drivers are by far the "scariest" thing I experience on a "regular" basis. But I experience that just as much in Tosa as I do in "the hood."
By and large, use common sense and you'll be completely fine. Sure, every once in a while you might be in a sticky situation through no fault of your own. But that's true of anywhere in America.
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Urban crime...and immigrants...and muslims...and black people...and terrorists massing at the southern border...and on and on.
^This. Old men terrified of a campus and city that is much, much safer than it was then they attended all because of the constant disinformation they listen to.
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Urban crime...and immigrants...and muslims...and black people...and terrorists massing at the southern border...and on and on.
Fox News has made boomers afraid of their shadows. Because it might not be a white person.
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IBTL
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Now, but I lived the first 28 years of my life living on 29th and Wisconsin Ave. in a 5th floor walk up. Attended elementary school on 27th and Wisconsin Ave. Jr. high was at Walker Jr. High at 32nd and Mitchell. High school was at West Division on 23th and Highland, now known as School of the Arts, hey?
Ah, so you agree. Not your whole life.
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Not to get too far afield, but it's interesting how certain media networks have brainwashed their audience (mostly older, suburban and rural) to believe urban crime is far more frightening than a contagious disease that's about 40-50 times more likely to kill them
Nothing sells quite like fear of the other.
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1.4
And none of them were Marquette students, faculty, or staff.
Dahmer living close to campus did not affect the crime rate at Marquette. His apartment was affordable and close to where he worked. It just so happens that it was close to campus.
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Milwaukee homicide rate ...
1991: 25.6 per 100,000
2020: 16.4 per 100,000
Pakuni, where did you get those stats from?
I found this one:
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is among the U.S. cities with the highest homicide rates. There were a total of 191 murders reported in the city in 2020, or 32.4 for every 100,000 people — well above the national homicide rate of 6.5 murders per 100,000.
https://247wallst.com/city/milwaukee-wi-reported-one-of-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/
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Jeezzz! I was there 1987 thru 1991 and there was plenty of good old fashioned street crime. Including Dahmer walking past my apartment every day on 15-1/2 & Kilbourn and having a fake gun pulled on us sitting outside on our Porch. Every visit the last 15-20 years I've said this is not the Milwaukee I remember, it's way better. My niece is there now and it doesn't seem to be an issue. My brother also an alum said it's better than when we were there.
How do you know this? Were you two friends?
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Pakuni, where did you get those stats from?
I found this one:
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, is among the U.S. cities with the highest homicide rates. There were a total of 191 murders reported in the city in 2020, or 32.4 for every 100,000 people — well above the national homicide rate of 6.5 murders per 100,000.
https://247wallst.com/city/milwaukee-wi-reported-one-of-the-highest-murder-rates-in-the-us/
2020 number:
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/
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Another thing St. Louis is #1 at.
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Another thing St. Louis is #1 at.
Gotta be good at something.
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Gotta be good at something.
92% of murders in St. Louis occur when someone says they’d trade Yadier Molina for Mike Trout
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92% of murders in St. Louis occur when someone says they’d trade Yadier Molina for Mike Trout
You're often funny, Unk, but THAT was really effen funny.
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Another thing St. Louis is #1 at.
St. Louis and Baltimore don’t include county data as do other cities in the stats. So instead of rates in the 100’s, those two places will often be high on the list. They are certainly not absent of their share of crime as is the case many other places, including those of the people reading the board.
But Rent free. Trolls troll.
As for the actual topic beyond racists and whomever else, etc…
The Catholic Knights building is fine and in a good location for a Marquette purchase.
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You admit they're trolls yet you still respond. That says something, but not what you think it does.
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I moved to Chicago to escape the violence in Milwaukee.
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You admit they're trolls yet you still respond. That says something, but not what you think it does.
I think you have that backwards.
I responded to the thread topic, (this one is Catholic Knights building) as I usually do. I saw a social validation troll along the way and corrected their misinformation. I’m happy to talk about a wide variety of places, people, things, topics that seem to bother some other people.
Milwaukee, Chicago, (places I’ve lived) Detroit or wherever the people in the thread are from all have their fair share of crime. There’s currently a several page thread here discussing Milwaukee crime. I don’t feel any urge to troll. If I was bothered I would. I’m not. Trolling says more about the people who troll than the people places or things they troll.
Again, as for the actual topic, Marquette can buy the Catholic Knights Building, (I’m familiar with the building) renovate it, and use it for housing. And it would be just fine.
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I think you have that backwards.
I responded to the thread topic, (this one is Catholic Knights building) as I usually do. I saw a social validation troll along the way and corrected their misinformation. I’m happy to talk about a wide variety of places, people, things, topics that seem to bother some other people.
Milwaukee, Chicago, (places I’ve lived) Detroit or wherever the people in the thread are from all have their fair share of crime. There’s currently a several page thread here discussing Milwaukee crime. I don’t feel any urge to troll. If I was bothered I would. I’m not. Trolling says more about the people who troll than the people places or things they troll.
Again, as for the actual topic, Marquette can buy the Catholic Knights Building, (I’m familiar with the building) renovate it, and use it for housing. And it would be just fine.
LOL. Four paragraphs. (None of which I am bothering to read.)
You never fail to disappoint.
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LOL. Four paragraphs. (None of which I am bothering to read.)
You never fail to disappoint.
Of course you read it, again. And responded, again. Neither of which were about the topic itself, so you gaslighted instead.
Anything in your post about the Catholic Knights Building for sale? Nope.
I also posted about New York this week. Somehow that one received crickets.
Anything in your posts rwplying to me about the Catholic Knights building for sale? Nope.
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Molina sucks
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The Catholic Knights Building doesn't respect the Cardinal Way.
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He is looking back with sepia tinged fondness to his youth. It is typical to edit the bad parts out, unless of course, it can make you feel heroic. This is fairly universal once you reach a certain age.
I allowed my daughter to make her own college choice. She chose Ypsilanti. If my son chooses Marquette, I will worry far more about the $60k than I will the neighborhood.
I might warn him against the possibility of becoming a grumpy old sweater vest
Both my wife and I considered EMU in the 90’s. Her parents vetoed it after the tour, my parents and I in and we didn’t stop to do the tour. MU was fine. As they told us at Preview, be street smart, don’t go certain places alone. That can be said about any campus. A girl was murdered at Columbia not too long ago, I don’t think that means people will or should stop going there.
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Grand Valley State is nearby. TAMU knows it well. It is in the middle of a cornfield with a small town next door. They have shootings there, too. Muggings. Sexual assaults. But the county doesn't have the same resources as Milwaukee does. Or Madison. There is crime in the city. There is crime in the country. I just saw an article that after Wayne County (Detroit) the next 10 counties for highest gun crimes per capita in Michigan are all in the Upper Peninsula. Michigan Tech. Northern Michigan. Lake Superior State.
It comes down to what an individual student wants to study and what environment they want to do it in.
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those damn guns just running around shooting everything in sight all over the country it seems
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those damn guns just running around shooting everything in sight all over the country it seems
5 of 10, not your worst, not your best
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My daughter was going to apply to university of Texas, but no more. She says it’s too dangerous in Texas.
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those damn guns just running around shooting everything in sight all over the country it seems
We need more of them.
If every man, woman and child over 3 had a gun and carried it in public -- obviously loaded with no safeties on, because what good is a gun if you can't kill somebody instantly? -- just imagine how safe we'd all be!
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At the game tonight, I sat next to a high-ranking person in Marquette's finance department.
They told us that Marquette isn't interested in the building because it's in pretty bad shape and it isn't expected to last too much longer.
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it's in pretty bad shape and it isn't expected to last too much longer.
The same is probably true of many Scoopers!
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So, first you cite personal experience to tell us how much things have changed there ... except that here you say you haven't lived anywhere near "da hood" for decades, nu?
It's a city. There is crime. Less than some cities, more than others.
But I actually agree with you that the more stuff in the blocks surrounding the campus Marquette buys, the better.
I wonder if instead of buying land adjacent to campus, marquette could incentivize people buying and living in the surrounding neighborhoods.
Washington university in st. Louis (not making this about st. Louis, sorry everyone) has a program where employees can get a lump of cash from the university If the employee buys a primary residence in a designated neighborhood. If memory serves it could be up to $10k. That's a lot of dough if you're a young professional, buying their first house, in a not so great neighborhood where prices are already lower.
The program took over a decade to really show results, but it definitely stabilized the neighborhoods near the washu undergrad and medical school campuses. And it must benefit the school somewhat, they just expanded the program to include quite a few more neighborhoods.
Washu has a lot more money than marquette and can afford to take a punt like this. But if marquette is serious about making campus feel safer, this might be a good option. Might be a better long term solution than pumping more money into security.
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I wonder if instead of buying land adjacent to campus, marquette could incentivize people buying and living in the surrounding neighborhoods.
Washington university in st. Louis (not making this about st. Louis, sorry everyone) has a program where employees can get a lump of cash from the university If the employee buys a primary residence in a designated neighborhood. If memory serves it could be up to $10k. That's a lot of dough if you're a young professional, buying their first house, in a not so great neighborhood where prices are already lower.
The program took over a decade to really show results, but it definitely stabilized the neighborhoods near the washu undergrad and medical school campuses. And it must benefit the school somewhat, they just expanded the program to include quite a few more neighborhoods.
Washu has a lot more money than marquette and can afford to take a punt like this. But if marquette is serious about making campus feel safer, this might be a good option. Might be a better long term solution than pumping more money into security.
That's an outstanding plan, and I'm glad it has worked at Wash U.
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I think those types of programs work better if the neighborhood is more "transitional" in nature. It probably could have worked in the 70s or early 80s, but the housing stock now is just so poor.
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Are there other schools, particularly urban and Jesuit ones, with similar programs that you know of? Just curious.
I agree re: the housing stock. I think the area to the north of marquette could benefit from a program like this. Maybe to the west but I don't think there is a lot there. East (downtown) and south (highway) are non starters.
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Are there other schools, particularly urban and Jesuit ones, with similar programs that you know of? Just curious.
I agree re: the housing stock. I think the area to the north of marquette could benefit from a program like this. Maybe to the west but I don't think there is a lot there. East (downtown) and south (highway) are non starters.
You mean like the program Yale has had with New Haven since 1994?
https://your.yale.edu/work-yale/benefits/yale-signature-benefits/homebuyer-program
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You mean like the program Yale has had with New Haven since 1994?
https://your.yale.edu/work-yale/benefits/yale-signature-benefits/homebuyer-program
This is cool. How would you compare the neighborhood around Yale to the neighborhood around Marquette?
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Wow, yale's program is really strong. Much more money involved than what washu offers (https://sustainability.wustl.edu/).
Probably not a coincidence that these are being offered by schools with massive endowments.
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This is cool. How would you compare the neighborhood around Yale to the neighborhood around Marquette?
In the 90s I would compare similar to neighborhood around Marquette.
The South, East & West parts of campus are downtown New Haven and we're Ok then and have been very hot properties the last 10-15 years. Benefited town and university. Yale built two new residence halls there as well as another building (security and student health I think?). The city rebuilt the Farmington Canal bike and running trail through that part. North isn't as bad as 20 years ago . My understanding a lot employees live in New Haven to take advantage.
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At the game tonight, I sat next to a high-ranking person in Marquette's finance department.
They told us that Marquette isn't interested in the building because it's in pretty bad shape and it isn't expected to last too much longer.
I'm surprised that the condition of the building is a significant consideration. I would think that the location/land would be far more important than figuring out what to do with the building itself until they decide on a more permanent use. I would bet money that if MU doesn't buy it now, they are the next owners after whoever does buy it now.
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I'm surprised that the condition of the building is a significant consideration. I would think that the location/land would be far more important than figuring out what to do with the building itself until they decide on a more permanent use. I would bet money that if MU doesn't buy it now, they are the next owners after whoever does buy it now.
Pretty expensive piece of property hemmed in on three sides by Aurora and the interstate and a building that would have to be maintained or razed. There would be much cheaper ways to expand the campus footprint.
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I'm surprised that the condition of the building is a significant consideration. I would think that the location/land would be far more important than figuring out what to do with the building itself until they decide on a more permanent use. I would bet money that if MU doesn't buy it now, they are the next owners after whoever does buy it now.
Of course the condition of the building is a significant consideration. If you don't want the building in its current condition, you are only willing to pay whatever the actual piece of land is worth, taking into account the cost of razing the building.
Apparently, the current owners of the building hope they can sell it to someone who thinks the actual building has value. Marquette does not.
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Of course the condition of the building is a significant consideration. If you don't want the building in its current condition, you are only willing to pay whatever the actual piece of land is worth, taking into account the cost of razing the building.
Apparently, the current owners of the building hope they can sell it to someone who thinks the actual building has value. Marquette does not.
Re the bold, yes and no. The land is going to be worth more to MU than anyone else, except maybe Aurora. Colleges/Universities and businesses with sprawling headquarters buy properties at a premium all the time because they don't feel they can afford to pass up the opportunity to buy contiguous real estate. They aren't going to look at the costs of razing the property like another life insurance who can just pick a different location. There are a lot of reasons the asking price might not be something MU is willing to pay, but I don't think the functionality of the existing building is a particularly signifcant one. The business proposition is very different for MU than a financial company, luxury apartment developer, etc.
Edit to remove some N/A comps.
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Having been involved in a lot of these discussions with colleges and universities throughout the years, sure they pay a premium for property for the reason you are suggesting. But there is a limit of course. If the building is in bad shape, then you really only care about the property. And there are likely cheaper plots of similar size adjoining campus already. Not to mention that I believe the University hasn't done anything with the property where the Ramada used to be right?
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The current owners must think the building is worth more than Marquette is currently willing to pay, or else they would not have hired an agent to market the property to the general public.
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At the game tonight, I sat next to a high-ranking person in Marquette's finance department.
They told us that Marquette isn't interested in the building because it's in pretty bad shape and it isn't expected to last too much longer.
Thanks for this due diligence report.
I would advise the school to throw in a very low offer. Most likely Catholic Life has no basis in the building at this point
In situations like this, the sellers overrate the value will place on the property . MU might be able to get a good value , because they may be one of the only offers .
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Thanks for this due diligence report.
I would advise the school to throw in a very low offer. Most likely Catholic Life has no basis in the building at this point
In situations like this, the sellers overrate the value will place on the property . MU might be able to get a good value , because they may be one of the only offers .
I am sure they are already on it, Herman.
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Having been involved in a lot of these discussions with colleges and universities throughout the years, sure they pay a premium for property for the reason you are suggesting. But there is a limit of course. If the building is in bad shape, then you really only care about the property. And there are likely cheaper plots of similar size adjoining campus already. Not to mention that I believe the University hasn't done anything with the property where the Ramada used to be right?
wait, the Ramada isn’t there anymore? Does that mean my lifetime ban there is no longer valid? Woohoo!!
A late night of festivities with the touring cast of second city resulted in them being removed, me being banned and having to find them new accommodations at 3 am.
Who hasn’t had a late night pillow fight? Okay, it was a mattress fight in the hallway and may have involved other paying customers, but almost the same, right?
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Safety Alert: Dec. 13, 2021 | 5:15 p.m.
DECEMBER 13, 2021
The Marquette University Police Department is investigating the incident below. If you have more information, please contact MUPD immediately at (414) 288-6800.
Initial Incident Report
Incident type: Armed Robbery
Incident location: 900 block of North 19th Street
Approximate time: 5:15 p.m.
Victims: One male, Marquette student
Physical injuries: N/A
As the victim exited his parked car, a gray sedan approached. A suspect exited the vehicle, displayed a weapon and demanded the victim's car keys and backpack. The victim gave up property. The suspect then fled in the victim's car and was last seen heading north on North 20th street. No physical injuries reported.
Description of suspect(s)
Suspect 1:
Sex: Male
Age: Early 20s
Race and/or ethnicity:
White Black or African American Hispanic or Latino Asian American Indian or Alaska Native Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander Unknown
Hair: Short
Weight: Slim build
Height: 5'9-10"
Clothing: Possibly a gray hoodie and a black COVID facemask
Suspect 2:
Sex: Unknown
Age: Unknown
Race and/or ethnicity:
White Black or African American Hispanic or Latino Asian American Indian or Alaska Native Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander Unknown
Other: Driver of the suspect vehicle, no description
Vehicle Description
Gray sedan
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You're right, Doc. A crime has been committed. Therefore zero parents will let their kids go to Marquette.
Unlike when we were there, when there were zero crimes committed and hundreds of thousands of parents every year eagerly paid to make Marquette the largest private university in the world.
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Yup, if that is the first one this year they are far behind the mid 80's pace and even further behind the neighborhood I live in now.
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Update, the Catholic Knights building is now for sale for $350K due to today’s reported crime
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Far from the first one this year, Fahrenheit. I know of 2 dental students who were held up at gunpoint at 2:45 pm on 19th between Wis. Ave. and St.Paul a couple of weeks ago. The west end of campus has been hit particularly hard this semester. Its a huge problem for the University, hey?
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Which was several blocks away.
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Far from the first one this year, Fahrenheit. I know of 2 dental students who were held up at gunpoint at 2:45 pm on 19th between Wis. Ave. and St.Paul a couple of weeks ago. The west end of campus has been hit particularly hard this semester. Its a huge problem for theUniversity, hey?
Just like when we were there, hey?
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Update, the Catholic Knights building is now for sale for $350K due to today’s reported crime
This wouldn’t happen if Al McGuire were alive
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Enrollment going down to zero. I hear we'll lose all of our students to the crime-free cities that are Chicago, Boston, Washington, St. Louis and Detroit.
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
Ring out Oy-oy-a.
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Enrollment going down to zero. I hear we'll lose all of our students to the crime-free cities that are Chicago, Boston, Washington, St. Louis and Detroit.
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
Ring out Oy-oy-a.
Or go to a school out in the middle of a cornfield, like Northern Illinois. They will be safe there.
Oh, wait....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Illinois_University_shooting
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2010/10/26/police-say-missing-niu-student-slain-body-burned/
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Just like when we were there, hey?
+ A zillion
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This wouldn’t happen if Al McGuire were alive
Never would have happened if we just kept Wojo! Crime has spiraled out of control under Shaka. Havoc indeed!
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Safety Alert: Dec. 13, 2021 | 5:15 p.m.
DECEMBER 13, 2021
The Marquette University Police Department is investigating the incident below. If you have more information, please contact MUPD immediately at (414) 288-6800.
Initial Incident Report
Incident type: Armed Robbery
Incident location: 900 block of North 19th Street
Approximate time: 5:15 p.m.
Victims: One male, Marquette student
Physical injuries: N/A
As the victim exited his parked car, a gray sedan approached. A suspect exited the vehicle, displayed a weapon and demanded the victim's car keys and backpack. The victim gave up property. The suspect then fled in the victim's car and was last seen heading north on North 20th street. No physical injuries reported.
Description of suspect(s)
Suspect 1:
Sex: Male
Age: Early 20s
Race and/or ethnicity:
White Black or African American Hispanic or Latino Asian American Indian or Alaska Native Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander Unknown
Hair: Short
Weight: Slim build
Height: 5'9-10"
Clothing: Possibly a gray hoodie and a black COVID facemask
Suspect 2:
Sex: Unknown
Age: Unknown
Race and/or ethnicity:
White Black or African American Hispanic or Latino Asian American Indian or Alaska Native Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander Unknown
Other: Driver of the suspect vehicle, no description
Vehicle Description
Gray sedan
An armed hijacking of a car is a serious level of crime . That is a sign of organized criminal activity. Very sorry to hear that .
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Anyone that thinks crime at MU and surrounding areas is similar to their time at MU has bumped their head. The crime has become more brazen and frequent in MKE and I do worry about other people that have kids on campus. I struggle with people that do not want to admit crime is out of hand at MU and MKE general. I hate what is going on in our city and think MU does have an issue on it’s hands.
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Maybe the crime rate around Marquette is higher because the criminals believe in states rights?
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More likely the ass holes know the victims are an easy score and the pussay judicial system won't touch them. Haveta understand how difficult life has been fore da underprivileged, aina?
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More likely the ass holes know the victims are an easy score and the pussay judicial system won't touch them. Haveta understand how difficult life has been fore da underprivileged, aina?
Need a hug, big guy?
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More likely the ass holes know the victims are an easy score and the pussay judicial system won't touch them. Haveta understand how difficult life has been fore da underprivileged, aina?
Yes. We should incarcerate more people. ::)
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I don't know if crime on/near campus is more or less than it was when we oldsters were in college ... and it's immaterial. 1976 and 1979 and 1982 and 1985 and 1990 are meaningless today.
What I do know is that in 2018 (Class of '22), the school set a record for freshman enrollment.
https://marquettewire.org/3998227/news/record-breaking-enrollment-numbers-in-class-of-2022/
And enrollment was down only a couple hundred students the following year.
https://marquettewire.org/4014920/news/total-enrollment-down-for-the-class-of-2023-college-of-communication-on-the-rise/
Then came the pandemic, which reduced enrollments at universities and colleges across the country. While Marquette's freshman enrollment declined significantly, its retention rate of students who started in fall 2019 was 88%, and the 6-year graduation rate of first-year students who started in fall 2014 was 84%, the second highest in Marquette history.
https://today.marquette.edu/2020/09/fall-2020-enrollment-retention-and-graduation-rate-statistics-now-available/
So up until the pandemic, a record number of parents were seemingly oblivious to the crime that was ruining Marquette. And even months into the pandemic, thousands of parents were still paying big money to let their kids remain at Marquette despite their precious children looking into the teeth of death every day.
So to answer Doc Dribble's question from earlier in this fine thread: Yes, thousands of parents would pay tens of thousands of dollars for their kids to attend the crime-infested Marquette campus. Stoopid them ... they apparently value the education and they realize that crime can happen anywhere, anytime. Either that, or they hate their kids.
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Yet, no one has answered my question. Would you send your kid to MU for $60k yearly knowing the crime stats of the campus and surrounding area, hey?
I wouldn't send my kid to MU for $60K annually but it has nothing to do with the crime stats of the area surrounding campus.
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Anyone that thinks crime at MU and surrounding areas is similar to their time at MU has bumped their head. The crime has become more brazen and frequent in MKE and I do worry about other people that have kids on campus. I struggle with people that do not want to admit crime is out of hand at MU and MKE general. I hate what is going on in our city and think MU does have an issue on it’s hands.
Its all relative though. Are things getting quite bad in certain areas of MKE, even MU adjacent? Sure. Does that mean Marquette campus safety has fallen precipitously? I don't think so.
I went to school at Miami U in Ohio. Its literally an affluent campus in a quintessential college town surrounded by cornfields. I fully admit there were numerous times where I stumbled around blind drunk on weekends that would have been more dangerous if I had been in a city, whether it was Depaul or NYU or Marquette. That being said, in my years there, I knew 2 kids stabbed in 2 different incidents in bars in town. 3 different kids were killed being hit by trains while drunk. A frat house was the victim of an armed robbery and another student was killed in a domestic incident with her local, non student BF in an off campus house.
But my best friend from HS went to Marquette. I spent about 20 weekends in Milwaukee on campus with him over the years. I also got stupidly drunk or acted recklessly on or near campus at times and was perfectly fine.
Danger can happen everywhere. Parents need to educate and caution their kids regardless of where they go. Marquette isn't U of Chicago where my cousin was strongly cautioned to not venture outside the gates alone at night. But otherwise, use good choices and sound judgement, keep your eyes open and aware, and I'd have no issue sending kids there.
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I wouldn't send my kid to MU for $60K annually but it has nothing to do with the crime stats of the area surrounding campus.
Dis right here.
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Check out this story on jsonline.com: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/12/14/milwaukee-breaks-city-homicide-record-second-year-row/6449174001/
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Check out this story on jsonline.com: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/12/14/milwaukee-breaks-city-homicide-record-second-year-row/6449174001/
Congratulations
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Check out this story on jsonline.com: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/12/14/milwaukee-breaks-city-homicide-record-second-year-row/6449174001/
It's a shame that enrollment is headed to zero.
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Anyone that thinks crime at MU and surrounding areas is similar to their time at MU has bumped their head. The crime has become more brazen and frequent in MKE and I do worry about other people that have kids on campus. I struggle with people that do not want to admit crime is out of hand at MU and MKE general. I hate what is going on in our city and think MU does have an issue on it’s hands.
according to lightweight, much of the blame is on the victim for not being more careful... if they would only tie the merchandise down better and hire more security. that's like blaming the scantily dressed person for getting raped. what's the matter with people who are supposed to be elected leaders?
"We still have retailers that won’t institute plans like having security officers in their stores, making sure that they’ve got cameras that are actually operational, locking up their merchandise at night, chaining high-end bags. These purses can be something that is attracting a lot of organized retail theft units,” Lightfoot said Monday.
not to mention repeat offenders and felons in possession of (GASP!!!) guns.
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according to lightweight, much of the blame is on the victim for not being more careful... if they would only tie the merchandise down better and hire more security. that's like blaming the scantily dressed person for getting raped. what's the matter with people who are supposed to be elected leaders?
"We still have retailers that won’t institute plans like having security officers in their stores, making sure that they’ve got cameras that are actually operational, locking up their merchandise at night, chaining high-end bags. These purses can be something that is attracting a lot of organized retail theft units,” Lightfoot said Monday.
not to mention repeat offenders and felons in possession of (GASP!!!) guns.
Hide out for the rest of your life then.
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Hide out for the rest of your life then.
either you're being simplistically flippant or you ignore/deny the problem. neither are solutions. you guys don't like the solutions. i understand MU trying to "tip-toe" around the crime issue on campus because it's really really bad PR. they better be addressing it very aggressively behind the scenes because like the darrell brooks's of the world, you can only sweep them under the carpet for so long before really bad things really happen. not punishing bad behavior only encourages more of it. did they think letting brooks off on light bail, he was going to suddenly turn his life around? when people don't feel safe going somewhere...they stop going.
san francisco, imho, is/WAS one of the coolest cities in the US. i've been there many times. the closest i will ever get to going back there will be on the internet. would you send your 18 year old daughter or son to a city that is having crime issues? you know, the ones we actually know about? if something bad were to happen, would you be able to live with yourself?
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either you're being simplistically flippant or you ignore/deny the problem. neither are solutions. you guys don't like the solutions. i understand MU trying to "tip-toe" around the crime issue on campus because it's really really bad PR. they better be addressing it very aggressively behind the scenes because like the darrell brooks's of the world, you can only sweep them under the carpet for so long before really bad things really happen. not punishing bad behavior only encourages more of it. did they think letting brooks off on light bail, he was going to suddenly turn his life around? when people don't feel safe going somewhere...they stop going.
san francisco, imho, is/WAS one of the coolest cities in the US. i've been there many times. the closest i will ever get to going back there will be on the internet. would you send your 18 year old daughter or son to a city that is having crime issues? you know, the ones we actually know about? if something bad were to happen, would you be able to live with yourself?
Would I send my 18 year old daughter or son to a city that is having a crime issue? What if I send them to a city without a “crime issue” and they get hooked on meth or a silo falls on them? How could I live with myself then? What if I send them into the military and they die in a war? What if I send them to become dentists and they become Q adherents? What if, what if
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What hairy wet cats.
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either you're being simplistically flippant or you ignore/deny the problem. neither are solutions. you guys don't like the solutions. i understand MU trying to "tip-toe" around the crime issue on campus because it's really really bad PR. they better be addressing it very aggressively behind the scenes because like the darrell brooks's of the world, you can only sweep them under the carpet for so long before really bad things really happen. not punishing bad behavior only encourages more of it. did they think letting brooks off on light bail, he was going to suddenly turn his life around? when people don't feel safe going somewhere...they stop going.
san francisco, imho, is/WAS one of the coolest cities in the US. i've been there many times. the closest i will ever get to going back there will be on the internet. would you send your 18 year old daughter or son to a city that is having crime issues? you know, the ones we actually know about? if something bad were to happen, would you be able to live with yourself?
I have never sent my adult children anywhere. They went places on their own free will. That has included places like Milwaukee, Chicago, Seattle, Denver and Houston. And they have managed to live!
Better than living a life in fear IMO. You got one life. Might as well live it.
But what's wrong with San Francisco?
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Would I send my 18 year old daughter or son to a city that is having a crime issue? What if I send them to a city without a “crime issue” and they get hooked on meth or a silo falls on them? How could I live with myself then? What if I send them into the military and they die in a war? What if I send them to become dentists and they become Q adherents? What if, what if
what the hell is a "Q" adherent??
i pray to God your kids learn from your mistakes and don't develop the same drug problems you have
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what the hell is a "Q" adherent??
i pray to God your kids learn from your mistakes and don't develop the same drug problems you have
7 of 10
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what the hell is a "Q" adherent??
That's qute, roQQet.
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My daughter went to college in Ypsilanti and currently lives in the Baltimore/DC metroplex. Crime is everywhere. Grow a set.
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either you're being simplistically flippant or you ignore/deny the problem. neither are solutions. you guys don't like the solutions. i understand MU trying to "tip-toe" around the crime issue on campus because it's really really bad PR. they better be addressing it very aggressively behind the scenes because like the darrell brooks's of the world, you can only sweep them under the carpet for so long before really bad things really happen. not punishing bad behavior only encourages more of it. did they think letting brooks off on light bail, he was going to suddenly turn his life around? when people don't feel safe going somewhere...they stop going.
san francisco, imho, is/WAS one of the coolest cities in the US. i've been there many times. the closest i will ever get to going back there will be on the internet. would you send your 18 year old daughter or son to a city that is having crime issues? you know, the ones we actually know about? if something bad were to happen, would you be able to live with yourself?
No. You've created a 'problem' out of thin air (as usual) because you're a closeted racist.
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Not that closeted.
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Would I send my 18 year old daughter or son to a city that is having a crime issue? What if I send them to a city without a “crime issue” and they get hooked on meth or a silo falls on them? How could I live with myself then? What if I send them into the military and they die in a war? What if I send them to become dentists and they become Q adherents? What if, what if
😆
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No. You've created a 'problem' out of thin air (as usual) because you're a closeted racist.
If you were half as smart and knowledgeable as you think you are, you'd still be an idiot, but keep putting your head in the sand and pretend that MU isn't concerned about crime near campus.
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When hasn't MU been concerned about crime in the neighborhood? This isn't new. It isn't substantially different.
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When hasn't MU been concerned about crime in the neighborhood? This isn't new. It isn't substantially different.
Yep. Ziggy, being the really smart guy he is, should know this.
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When hasn't MU been concerned about crime in the neighborhood? This isn't new. It isn't substantially different.
It's gotten much worse.
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It's gotten much worse.
Psst. It hasn’t.
You’re just hearing about it now.
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It's gotten much worse.
You may be right, but outside of a copy and paste of a police blotter sent from Doc McStuffins, where is the evidence?
Again, I’m pretty sure we overlapped at MU for a bit, and it wasn’t ☀️ and 🌈’s in the late 90s, but we also didn’t have twitter, cable news, facebook to ampifly every incident.
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You may be right, but outside of a copy and paste of a police blotter sent from Doc McStuffins, where is the evidence?
Again, I’m pretty sure we overlapped at MU for a bit, and it wasn’t ☀️ and 🌈’s in the late 90s, but we also didn’t have twitter, cable news, facebook to ampifly every incident.
When doc, Goose, and chick weigh in on campus related things, I trust them.
My 4 years in the late 90s, I only remember 1 big incident, IIRC it was a shooting in the summer of 2000(?). I never felt scared of being on campus or walking around drunk to the various drinking spots (15th and Clyburn, 18th or 19th and wells, the fruit cake palace on 22nd.)
The worst thing that happened to me was the overnight gas station guy at 15th and state put a bad spell on me one night, dude has some serious powers in the spirit world.
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When doc, Goose, and chick weigh in on campus related things, I trust them.
My 4 years in the late 90s, I only remember 1 big incident, IIRC it was a shooting in the summer of 2000(?). I never felt scared of being on campus or walking around drunk to the various drinking spots (15th and Clyburn, 18th or 19th and wells, the fruit cake palace on 22nd.)
The worst thing that happened to me was the overnight gas station guy at 15th and state put a bad spell on me one night, dude has some serious powers in the spirit world.
That's what silly people do. They listen to anecdotal evidence and treat it as 'what they're hearing'. The rest of the world uses things like data and statistics to determine what is actually happening.
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“Nothing happened to me therefore campus was safe. Now people are telling me it’s unsafe therefore it is unsafe.”
Marquette is required to produce crime reports annually. The 2021 one online doesn’t show anything out of the ordinary but it doesn’t report trends. And maybe 2022 will be different. I guess we will see.
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If you were half as smart and knowledgeable as you think you are, you'd still be an idiot, but keep putting your head in the sand and pretend that MU isn't concerned about crime near campus.
If I was out here to impress you, I'd probably just pretend to agree with you on everything. Obviously, we don't agree. But your buddy here says a LOT of problematic stuff, and if you were half as intelligent or as funny as you think you are, you'd probably stop going out of your way to defend it. Unless you agree with it. Which, by all means, out yourself if that is the case.
I'm sure Marquette is concerned, and always will be, but that is the reality of the world we live in. Marquette is no different from when I was in school. People get robbed, cars get broken into, and there are shootings. It's a city. That used to be a point of pride.
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A symptom of growing old and watching too much Fox. You become afraid of everything and angry about it
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A symptom of growing old and watching too much Fox. You become afraid of everything and angry about it
Fear and control, aina?
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Can’t this all be correct? Anecdotally, being in Milwaukee I see far more people racing down the streets, absolute reckless driving, almost been obliterated a time or two. Seems substantially less safe. I never had an issue at MU in the mid-90’s and lived at 22nd & Wells. My Buddy was assaulted at gun point on campus, gimme all you got, get on your knees kinda thing. We are hearing constant stories about smash and grabs, assaults, shootings, so maybe we feel like it’s less safe. Maybe statistically it is less safe, maybe it isn’t, stats lie. Some people will feel safe at MU, others will not. It doesn’t make either weaker or stronger than the other, it’s a matter of perspective. I never felt unsafe, but I also was relatively smart on where and when I acted a fool. I will say I feel slightly less safe on 145, but that is wholly due to the driving issues around town. Honestly, this argument seems like a waste of energy. MU is certainly aware and concerned with the safety around campus, just looks what’s been done the past 25-50 years. Will the real or perceived safety deter some from coming to MU, probably, it has since day one. Will the price tag, probably, it has from day one. Will the religious aspect, probably, it has from day one. For some.
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4evers' ride?
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Can’t this all be correct? Anecdotally, being in Milwaukee I see far more people racing down the streets, absolute reckless driving, almost been obliterated a time or two. Seems substantially less safe. I never had an issue at MU in the mid-90’s and lived at 22nd & Wells. My Buddy was assaulted at gun point on campus, gimme all you got, get on your knees kinda thing. We are hearing constant stories about smash and grabs, assaults, shootings, so maybe we feel like it’s less safe. Maybe statistically it is less safe, maybe it isn’t, stats lie. Some people will feel safe at MU, others will not. It doesn’t make either weaker or stronger than the other, it’s a matter of perspective. I never felt unsafe, but I also was relatively smart on where and when I acted a fool. I will say I feel slightly less safe on 145, but that is wholly due to the driving issues around town. Honestly, this argument seems like a waste of energy. MU is certainly aware and concerned with the safety around campus, just looks what’s been done the past 25-50 years. Will the real or perceived safety deter some from coming to MU, probably, it has since day one. Will the price tag, probably, it has from day one. Will the religious aspect, probably, it has from day one. For some.
The bolded is exactly the point. Marquette is in a city between downtown and a transitional neighborhood. Just like it has been for 25-30 years, if not longer. Marquette is clearly concerned about safety, and you are right, it's not going to be for everyone.
But crime is going to ebb and flow. 4ever, et. al. having rosy views of the past and telling anecdotal stories how safe it used to be isn't accurate either. I mean, someone (not a student) was killed two blocks from my apartment when I was on campus. I don't use that as some sort of evidence that the place was crime-ridden when I was a student.
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A symptom of growing old and watching too much Fox. You become afraid of everything and angry about it
Fox did a story on crime at Marquette?
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That's what silly people do. They listen to anecdotal evidence and treat it as 'what they're hearing'. The rest of the world uses things like data and statistics to determine what is actually happening.
But a lot of people are saying ...
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Marquette is in a city between downtown and a transitional neighborhood. Just like it has been for 25-30 years, if not longer. Marquette is clearly concerned about safety, and you are right, it's not going to be for everyone.
Brother Fluff:
You hit it right on the head.
Milwaukee has undergone a significant economic dislocation during the past 50 years. The industry that powered jobs and economic opportunity on the North and South sides is largely gone. The people aren't and the lack of economic opportunity has spawned numerous social problems.
Add to that the fact that Milwaukee is indeed a tale of two cities -- the relative affluence of the east side and western neighborhoods/suburbs and the poverty of the Northwest Side. Marquette is the community that is sandwiched between the haves and have notes and so, one is going to get the problems that come with being in a transitional geography.
The solution is much like the illegal immigration solution. You can build the proverbial 20 foot wall around Marquette (as at least one poster suggested) and wall the university off from the problem. The problem won't go away but as long as you are keeping yourself from being part of the community, you may be able hide from it. Or, the intellectual bandwidth of the university can combine with social and economic development agencies in the city, county and state to truly address roadblocks and foster opportunity.
Years ago, America Magazine made the same point about illegal immigration. It isn't going to be solved until the basic economic weaknesses of the immigrants home countries are addressed.
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No. You've created a 'problem' out of thin air (as usual) because you're a closeted racist.
i had to pull my hood off to make sure i was reading this correctly...God you are an idiot and getting worse.
what ziggy said times 1000
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i had to pull my hood off to make sure i was reading this correctly...God you are an idiot and getting worse.
what ziggy said times 1000
8 of 10
Ellipses are always enjoyed by all. The self-awareness disappeared quickly which made up for the self-deferential opening salvo. The spaces before the last sentence are a craftsman at work.
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i had to pull my hood off to make sure i was reading this correctly...God you are an idiot and getting worse.
what ziggy said times 1000
...what color hood was it, rocket?
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i had to pull my hood off to make sure i was reading this correctly
You're lucky that your all-time favorite WH occupant made hoods optional.
"Jews will not replace us!" chanted some very fine people.
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i had to pull my hood off to make sure i was reading this correctly...God you are an idiot and getting worse.
what ziggy said times 1000
If you're the ones calling me an idiot, I know I'm on the right path.