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Re: Asian Americans
« Reply #100 on: April 03, 2021, 07:56:43 AM »
you can't give someone water as an incentive to vote. 


You are right.  Because no one would be "incentivized" by water.  People want to vote because they want to participate in democracy.  And some places make that hard (especially poor places with large minority populations).  So they have to stand in line for a long time to do so - and they get thirsty.  And now it is a crime to give water to thirsty people.  (Insert appropriate Biblical verse here for irony sake.)

The idea that you think people are "incentivized" by water is bizarre.  These laws are all about making it harder to vote because the party in charge has determined that coming up with popular policies is way too hard.

Politicians should be making it easier to vote because we can do so without fear of fraud.  They should encourage people to vote and shout loudly why they should vote for their candidate.  But the Republicans have decided not to do that. 

Very anti-democratic of them.
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Re: Asian Americans
« Reply #101 on: April 03, 2021, 08:04:20 AM »
you can't give someone water as an incentive to vote.  besides, bring your own damn water.   

  btw, new york's and delawares voter laws are stricter than georgia's

  waiting to hear about boycotting china over genocide and concentratiuon camps and waiting and...no?  those things are ok?

oh, tucker don't count, but whatever our demented potus slurs off the jumbotron prompter is all good, that's if the wind don't get him on the way up

So, nothing I said was inaccurate, despite you lying and saying it was. Thanks!

Did you ever listen to your Mad King read the teleprompter? He reads at about a 3rd-grade level. Yo-Semite, anybody? And he's so demented, he actually thought he won the 2020 election? Can you imagine that? Oh wait ... what's that? ... you think he won, too? Great!
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Re: Asian Americans
« Reply #102 on: April 03, 2021, 11:26:17 AM »

People want to vote because they want to participate in democracy. 

The liberating expression of freedom lives proudly in some jurisdictions. There are some precincts where it is so easy to vote that even the dead cast ballots. Multiple times.

It's put two Catholics in office, even!


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« Reply #103 on: April 03, 2021, 02:52:32 PM »

You are right.  Because no one would be "incentivized" by water.  People want to vote because they want to participate in democracy.  And some places make that hard (especially poor places with large minority populations).  So they have to stand in line for a long time to do so - and they get thirsty.  And now it is a crime to give water to thirsty people.  (Insert appropriate Biblical verse here for irony sake.)

The idea that you think people are "incentivized" by water is bizarre.  These laws are all about making it harder to vote because the party in charge has determined that coming up with popular policies is way too hard.

Politicians should be making it easier to vote because we can do so without fear of fraud.  They should encourage people to vote and shout loudly why they should vote for their candidate.  But the Republicans have decided not to do that. 

Very anti-democratic of them.

I find it bizarre that people are unable to provide their own snacks and water and won’t be able to vote if they have to rely on others within 150 feet of a polling station.

I did a dumb thing and sought out multiple sources to learn about the law. While there are many issues with this law, that is not one that I care about, and there are things in there that do make going easier. If we do anything it should be a huge expansion of mail in voting and more drop boxes in cities. In Oregon every library is a drop site in addition to boxes. The state commission bothers me most, not water.

https://blog.simplejustice.us/2021/04/03/the-night-the-lights-went-out-in-georgia/

Under the new Georgia law, it will be easier to vote by mail than it is in New York. Citizens will have a far longer window to vote than in New Jersey. In New York, gifts on line under a dollar are exempt from criminalization, but you can still hand out free stuff in Georgia as long as it’s 150 feet away from the polling place. There will be too many drop boxes in the sticks and not enough in cities.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/politics/fact-check-georgia-voting-bill-law-elections-explained/index.html?fbclid=IwAR0O3IzHgGYp4lJBaIgYr5eK4u03UBbC60Ad4qm1wMrwBxdR2gC6XaJErAE

The law makes it a misdemeanor for "any person" to give or offer "any money or gifts," including "food and drink," to any voter within a polling place, within 150 feet of the building housing a polling place, or "within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place."

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Re: Asian Americans
« Reply #104 on: April 04, 2021, 12:23:23 PM »
More good analysis of GA voting law and statistical analysis of the likely impact.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/upshot/georgia-election-law-turnout.html
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Re: Asian Americans
« Reply #105 on: April 04, 2021, 12:54:55 PM »
More good analysis of GA voting law and statistical analysis of the likely impact.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/upshot/georgia-election-law-turnout.html

Thanks for that analysis. I agree it was informative.

It explains a lot. Such as this:

A provision that empowers the Republican-controlled State Legislature to play a larger role in election administration. That provision has uncertain but potentially substantial effects, depending on what the Legislature might do in the future. And it’s possible the law is intended to do exactly what progressives fear: reshape the electorate to the advantage of Republicans, soon after an electoral defeat, by making it harder to vote.

And this:

That doesn’t mean the Georgia law or other such laws are without consequence. Many make voting more difficult, enough to intimidate or discourage some voters. Many outright disenfranchise voters, even if only in small numbers. Perhaps the disenfranchisement of even a single voter merits outrage and opposition, especially if the law is passed on dubious or even fabricated grounds, and with Jim Crow mass disenfranchisement as a historical backdrop.
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Re: Asian Americans
« Reply #106 on: April 15, 2021, 08:31:26 AM »
MLB first baseman from Taiwan commits error; faces barrage of racist tweets

https://apnews.com/article/mlb-cleveland-chicago-white-sox-cleveland-indians-5d83dc48aa160d8b2eb20657b608f4e0

CLEVELAND (AP) — Indians manager Terry Francona called racist social media messages sent to first baseman Yu Chang “stupid and ignorant” and said they have no place in baseball or “anywhere.”

On Tuesday, Chang shared some anti-Asian postings he received on Twitter after he made a costly error in the ninth inning of Monday night’s game in Chicago. The throwing error allowed the White Sox to score the winning run.

Chang, who is Taiwanese, posted some of the tweets on his account while asking for tolerance. One of the messages referred to the shape of his eyes and another referred to the coronavirus.

“Exercise your freedom of speech in a right way, I accept all comments, positive or negative but DEFINITELY NOT RACIST ONES,” Chang wrote. “Thank you all and love you all.”
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« Reply #107 on: April 15, 2021, 05:30:20 PM »
another elderly Asian-American attacked but charges dropped because, well...white supremacy?
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/charges-dropped-against-suspect-in-attack-of-elderly-asian-man-in-san-francisco/

This is the same DA who dropped charges against an attacker who killed an 84 year old man, claiming the killer was just having "a temper tantrum." This DA was adopted by Bill Ayers and his wife after his parents were convicted of murder as members of the Weather Underground, and he traveled to Venezuela to serve as a translator in the Chavez Presidential Palace.

a 70 year old Hispanic woman was beaten because her attacker thought she was Asian.
https://remezcla.com/culture/70-year-old-mexican-woman-severely-beaten-assailant-thought-asian/

CNN reporter also caught on tape saying they are intentionally burying stories on Asians being attacked by Black men and women because it could "set BLM back."

My in-laws are only leaving their home for my father-in-law's dialysis treatment right now. They have neighbors going to the grocery store for them and get food delivered. They live in a "majority-minority" city and don't believe they will be reasonably protected.
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Re: Asian Americans
« Reply #108 on: April 16, 2021, 12:07:00 AM »
This is the same DA who dropped charges against an attacker who killed an 84 year old man, claiming the killer was just having "a temper tantrum." This DA was adopted by Bill Ayers and his wife after his parents were convicted of murder as members of the Weather Underground, and he traveled to Venezuela to serve as a translator in the Chavez Presidential Palace.

And his biological grandfather was the lawyer for Castro and his government.  I mean good lord

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« Reply #109 on: April 16, 2021, 09:58:47 AM »
And his biological grandfather was the lawyer for Castro and his government.  I mean good lord

We can rightly mock the far right for their worship of monsters like Pinochet, Mussolini, Hitler, etc., but many progressives are no better with their love of Castro, Chavez, Che (even if he wasn’t a politician), Mao, etc.
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Re: Asian Americans
« Reply #110 on: April 16, 2021, 10:26:48 AM »
Che (even if he wasn’t a politician)

Che Guevara was every inch a politician. Ballot box or barrel of a gun. Whatever works to advance one's agenda.


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Re: Asian Americans
« Reply #111 on: April 16, 2021, 10:40:11 AM »
We can rightly mock the far right for their worship of monsters like Pinochet, Mussolini, Hitler, etc., but many progressives are no better with their love of Castro, Chavez, Che (even if he wasn’t a politician), Mao, etc.

Progressives love Mao Zedong?  Strange take.

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« Reply #112 on: April 16, 2021, 10:45:21 AM »
Progressives love Mao Zedong?  Strange take.

And Hugo Chavez, apparently (unless he meant Cesar?).

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« Reply #113 on: April 16, 2021, 10:46:13 AM »
Progressives love Mao Zedong?  Strange take.
Progressives love any of them? Bizarre take indeed.
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« Reply #114 on: April 16, 2021, 11:07:07 AM »
There are as many communist-loving loonies (and no, not confusing socialists with communists here) that admire or love Mao as alt-right clownshows that admire Hitler and the Nazis.  Both are totally small minorities worthy of mockery.

I don't think Chavez is worshiped, but I mean, the current DA of San Fran, who was very well educated and intelligent at the time, made the pointed decision to go work in his administration.

But Che?  Thats different. I mean come on, people still worship that dude and continue to uphold his cult hero status.

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« Reply #115 on: April 16, 2021, 11:08:58 AM »
Progressives love any of them? Bizarre take indeed.

When I was younger Che shirts were the rage amongst far left individuals so I think he could have a point there? But I think it's lost because even the most fervent progressive people I know would ascribe to socialism in theory but wouldn't idolize any of those individuals due to its practice.
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« Reply #116 on: April 16, 2021, 11:15:26 AM »
There are as many communist-loving loonies (and no, not confusing socialists with communists here) that admire or love Mao as alt-right clownshows that admire Hitler and the Nazis.  Both are totally small minorities worthy of mockery.

I don't think Chavez is worshiped, but I mean, the current DA of San Fran, who was very well educated and intelligent at the time, made the pointed decision to go work in his administration.

But Che?  Thats different. I mean come on, people still worship that dude and continue to uphold his cult hero status.

I think it's okay to agree with some aspects of a person's belief system while acknowledging that you don't agree with everything.  Agreeing 100% of the time with someone is pretty dangerous.  Especially when we're talking about politicians. 

Amirite?

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« Reply #117 on: April 16, 2021, 11:29:40 AM »
I think it's okay to agree with some aspects of a person's belief system while acknowledging that you don't agree with everything.  Agreeing 100% of the time with someone is pretty dangerous.  Especially when we're talking about politicians. 

Amirite?

No disagreement there, but I'm not wearing a t-shirt with someone's face on it. (shrug)

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« Reply #118 on: April 16, 2021, 11:36:25 AM »
There are as many communist-loving loonies (and no, not confusing socialists with communists here) that admire or love Mao as alt-right clownshows that admire Hitler and the Nazis.  Both are totally small minorities worthy of mockery.

Ehhh ... I'm not sure about that. Certainly I may have missed something, but I don't recall seeing many examples of pro-Stalin and Kruschev marches in U.S. cities or Leninism being espoused on major cable news networks.

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« Reply #119 on: April 16, 2021, 12:17:48 PM »
Progressives love Mao Zedong?  Strange take.

yes, there's a faction that love Chavez.  One Mayoral candidate (took second, only a few points from winning, she was actually leading in the polls into October.  Our place was going up for sale if she had won) showed up to an event wearing a skirt with photos of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and others. 

I'd say the numbers are similar to the right wingers who for some reason think Pinochet was some great dude.


Che Guevara was every inch a politician. Ballot box or barrel of a gun. Whatever works to advance one's agenda.

I hear you on that. He was never elected so I didn't consider him a politician in the traditional sense.
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« Reply #120 on: April 16, 2021, 12:33:05 PM »
yes, there's a faction that love Chavez.  One Mayoral candidate (took second, only a few points from winning, she was actually leading in the polls into October.  Our place was going up for sale if she had won) showed up to an event wearing a skirt with photos of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and others. 

I'd say the numbers are similar to the right wingers who for some reason think Pinochet was some great dude.

I hear you on that. He was never elected so I didn't consider him a politician in the traditional sense.

Yikes.  What I find interesting is that if she was going to choose Communists, there are plenty of them that aren't responsible for millions of deaths.

Btw, progressives are different than communists.   ;)

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« Reply #121 on: April 16, 2021, 12:38:03 PM »
yes, there's a faction that love Chavez.  One Mayoral candidate (took second, only a few points from winning, she was actually leading in the polls into October.  Our place was going up for sale if she had won) showed up to an event wearing a skirt with photos of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and others. 

I'd say the numbers are similar to the right wingers who for some reason think Pinochet was some great dude.

I hear you on that. He was never elected so I didn't consider him a politician in the traditional sense.

 that's all sorts of horrific. Finding a crazy outlier who's probably looking for shock value is nothing new though. Thankfully she didn't win.
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« Reply #122 on: April 16, 2021, 05:29:10 PM »
that's all sorts of horrific. Finding a crazy outlier who's probably looking for shock value is nothing new though. Thankfully she didn't win.

she wasn't an outlier though, at least here, which was f'ing scary. Our Mayor is pathetically weak (when the Antifa groups set his condo building on fire he moved instead of cracking down) but that was better than her.

Yikes.  What I find interesting is that if she was going to choose Communists, there are plenty of them that aren't responsible for millions of deaths.

Btw, progressives are different than communists.   ;)

Too many progressives are happy to espouse Marxist ideas and promote communism (though they likely don't know what communism actually is).
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« Reply #123 on: April 17, 2021, 10:52:36 AM »
she wasn't an outlier though, at least here, which was f'ing scary. Our Mayor is pathetically weak (when the Antifa groups set his condo building on fire he moved instead of cracking down) but that was better than her.

Too many progressives are happy to espouse Marxist ideas and promote communism (though they likely don't know what communism actually is).

Nothing wrong with Marxist ideas or communism, but I do agree with your parenthesis.

She was probably the outlier in her veneration for mass murderers.

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« Reply #124 on: April 17, 2021, 11:22:31 AM »
Nothing wrong with Marxist ideas or communism, but I do agree with your parenthesis.

She was probably the outlier in her veneration for mass murderers.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with them fundamentally, but the most prominent communist countries have not turned out great for their citizens, and/or gave rise to awful dictators or repressive regimes.  So you end up promoting something that’s been historically pretty awful in practice nearly across the board, saying “well it doesn’t have to be like that”.

 

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