US postal service

[rocky_warrior]

Yet another thread gone off the political rails. Why not just have a political board and be done with it?

I agree.  And I should probably lock this one already. 

Though I find this one intriguing.  The USPS is a flawed organization to be sure.  It needs fixed.  But the current rhetoric is troubling.  I'm happy to hear that the USPS officials still think they can handle ballot volumes.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump-usps-post-office-election-funding

USPS officials have not said they need additional funding to deliver mail-in ballots this fall. “The Postal Service has ample capacity to deliver all election mail securely and on-time in accordance with our delivery standards, and we will do so,” DeJoy said at a meeting of the USPS board of governors on Friday.

I'll allow it for now...

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

A lot of people have moved to online/mail fulfillment of prescriptions.  Even if genuine efficiency focus, this doesn’t seem like a good time to move fast and break things. 

[V1 Rotate]

Because now everything is political.  Even my zipcode, car, doctor, sport, and  reading habits, are political.   I understand your frustration of not wanting to hear that everything is political.  Might be time to look in the mirror.

There was a time when motorcycles, guns, medical procedures, and beans were not political, but not now.

The top of this board says political free zone. Pinned for everyone to see.  It does not say everything is political and therefore ok.

Our numbers up to 26 now.  It will only make a small dent here and we are sad to leave.  Could be up on Discord in minutes, but want to do it right and using server software based solution.  The moderators work hard here, but they don’t enforce what they stated this board’s rules are despite continuous requests.  It has become unreadable.  We wish them well, people have a choice. 

Thank you to those that sent DMs to be moderators on an alternative site.  We will be up soon enough. We do not seek to replace this site as there are many good things about Scoop, but unfortunately too many have ruined it and those in charge do not want to stop it apparently because they agree with commentary.  We will offer an alternative without the political mud slinging by posters that ruin thread after thread. 

Either open up a political board or don’t allow it which is what your stated position is.  Right now they are doing neither and toxicity continues unabated.

[reinko]

The top of this board says political free zone. Pinned for everyone to see.  It does not say everything is political and therefore ok.

Our numbers up to 26 now.  It will only make a small dent here and we are sad to leave.  Could be up on Discord in minutes, but want to do it right and using server software based solution.  The moderators work hard here, but they don’t enforce what they stated this board’s rules are despite continuous requests.  It has become unreadable.  We wish them well, people have a choice. 

Thank you to those that sent DMs to be moderators on an alternative site.  We will be up soon enough. We do not seek to replace this site as there are many good things about Scoop, but unfortunately too many have ruined it and those in charge do not want to stop it apparently because they agree with commentary.  We will offer an alternative without the political mud slinging by posters that ruin thread after thread. 

Either open up a political board or don’t allow it which is what your stated position is.  Right now they are doing neither and toxicity continues unabated.

The Parler of MU message boards.

👋🏼 👋🏼 👋🏼

[Hards Alumni]

The top of this board says political free zone. Pinned for everyone to see.  It does not say everything is political and therefore ok.

Our numbers up to 26 now.  It will only make a small dent here and we are sad to leave.  Could be up on Discord in minutes, but want to do it right and using server software based solution.  The moderators work hard here, but they don’t enforce what they stated this board’s rules are despite continuous requests.  It has become unreadable.  We wish them well, people have a choice. 

Thank you to those that sent DMs to be moderators on an alternative site.  We will be up soon enough. We do not seek to replace this site as there are many good things about Scoop, but unfortunately too many have ruined it and those in charge do not want to stop it apparently because they agree with commentary.  We will offer an alternative without the political mud slinging by posters that ruin thread after thread. 

Either open up a political board or don’t allow it which is what your stated position is.  Right now they are doing neither and toxicity continues unabated.

Unintentional comedy GOLD.

If you wanted to open up an MU forum, you could do that in 10 minutes and not attempt to grand stand here. 

Take your ball and go home, no one here will miss you.

[shoothoops]

Saving small businesses. "The USPS makes more deliveries in 16 days than UPS and FedEx combined ship in a year."

https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/24/if-we-let-the-us-postal-service-die-well-be-killing-small-businesses-with-it/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Pakuni]

Uh-oh, guys. I think he really means it this time.
What do?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Why don’t you guys just all go over to IWB’s free board? There’s no traffic and you could be posting by this afternoon.

I mean if you were actually serious about leaving...

[mu_hilltopper]

V1 - Hey, we replied the last time you brought this up and changed our policies with you in mind.

In case you missed it:

We're going to enact two policy changes:

• MUScoop will no longer force you to read all threads, so you can individually choose what topics interest you personally, and not click those you might find political.   This is a new concept on the internet, so it might take some practice. 
  
  (If you accidentally click on a thread that does not interest you, fear not, there is a little "x" button on your browser tab that will close the window for you -- and we've made that a complimentary feature.)
  
  
• We are now making the "ignore user" function part of the basic subscription package.

In all seriousness, we do our best.  COVID and the recent civil unrest has made us let more political speech go unchecked -- that being said, we've also handed out several vacations to the most reported authors.


TL;DR:  Life is suffering.  Eat Arby's.

[tower912]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_vvex_mfik

[vogue65]

Disappointed that so many Americans think it's a good idea that the president of the United States has declared war on the U.S. Postal Service for the express purpose of affecting the upcoming election.

One would think that every American would be sickened by this.

Why be suprised or sickened?  It has been going on for a long time.  Whenever a minority wants to control a majority and call it democracy certain tools have to be employed.

The rationalization is that it is the only way to win.

The post office is just the latest, how about the courts, gerrymandering, disinformation, or alt-facts.   Americans like being lied to as in Professional Wrestling, talk radio, and reality t.v..

Yes, Americans are as ignorant, neive, and gullible as they seem.  Believe me!

[rocket surgeon]

   "You don't like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it. But don't break it. Don't break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That's not being faithful to what this country's about."

  or

 just use your pen and your phone, eyn'a?

[rocky_warrior]

Thanks rocket, for giving me the chance to bring this back to the USPS.

Don't break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That's not being faithful to what this country's about

Lets be faithful and not break things...like things Founding Father Ben Franklin helped create!

"The USPS traces its roots to 1775 during the Second Continental Congress, when Benjamin Franklin was appointed the first postmaster general. The Post Office Department was created in 1792 with the passage of the Postal Service Act. It was elevated to a cabinet-level department in 1872"

[vogue65]

Thanks rocket, for giving me the chance to bring this back to the USPS.

Lets be faithful and not break things...like things Founding Father Ben Franklin helped create!

"The USPS traces its roots to 1775 during the Second Continental Congress, when Benjamin Franklin was appointed the first postmaster general. The Post Office Department was created in 1792 with the passage of the Postal Service Act. It was elevated to a cabinet-level department in 1872"

The USPS is a great big opportunity for Wall Street.
Amazon, FedEx, off load expensive deliveries at discount prices to the USPS. 
Then comes the big payoff, shut it down, charge more for rural delivery, sell stock on Wall Street and life goes on.
However, now we have a trifecta, do it during a pandemic and an election cycle. 
Better do it now because "we" may lose the election and our window of opportunity will close.
As "we" say, never let a national emergency go to waste.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Thanks rocket, for giving me the chance to bring this back to the USPS.

Lets be faithful and not break things...like things Founding Father Ben Franklin helped create!

"The USPS traces its roots to 1775 during the Second Continental Congress, when Benjamin Franklin was appointed the first postmaster general. The Post Office Department was created in 1792 with the passage of the Postal Service Act. It was elevated to a cabinet-level department in 1872"

Thank you, Mr. Gailey!

[MU82]

No more so than the thought of voting early and often. Or, no more so than the thought of Uncle Joe driving the bus.

This has nothing to do with your emperor admitting that he is sabotaging the USPS to help his own re-election chances. It's not even a very good attempt at goalpost-shifting. You musta been heavily into the nitrous, Doc.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Nm

[dgies9156]

The postal service shenanigans are as old as government itself. The M/O: Go to the legislative and executive branch, hold something of vital importance (i.e., mail in ballots) hostage unless you get the funding you want.

The Postal Service is doing to Congress what school districts in Illinois have done for years: "Give us more tax dollars or we'll defund football. Or we won't be able to teach English and History. Or..."

The postal service is the same way. It's one of the most incredibly inefficient organizations in America. It's payroll is padded and its operation is horse and buggy in a fan jet era.

Time for Congress to call their bluff, as the President did, and tell them, "do your job and quit your complaining!"

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The postal service shenanigans are as old as government itself. The M/O: Go to the legislative and executive branch, hold something of vital importance (i.e., mail in ballots) hostage unless you get the funding you want.

The Postal Service is doing to Congress what school districts in Illinois have done for years: "Give us more tax dollars or we'll defund football. Or we won't be able to teach English and History. Or..."

The postal service is the same way. It's one of the most incredibly inefficient organizations in America. It's payroll is padded and its operation is horse and buggy in a fan jet era.

Time for Congress to call their bluff, as the President did, and tell them, "do your job and quit your complaining!"

I guess you are just going to ignore the President's stated motivations hey?

[shoothoops]

The postal service shenanigans are as old as government itself. The M/O: Go to the legislative and executive branch, hold something of vital importance (i.e., mail in ballots) hostage unless you get the funding you want.

The Postal Service is doing to Congress what school districts in Illinois have done for years: "Give us more tax dollars or we'll defund football. Or we won't be able to teach English and History. Or..."

The postal service is the same way. It's one of the most incredibly inefficient organizations in America. It's payroll is padded and its operation is horse and buggy in a fan jet era.

Time for Congress to call their bluff, as the President did, and tell them, "do your job and quit your complaining!"

Many people want what is fair.

You (and some others) repeat the same thing every few weeks or months. Yet you and those others never seem to add the "Why" it is inefficient in your comments. And you never seem to point out the very quick and easy things that would make it better. Here I'll help you.

The United States House passed legislation that would stop forcing the USPS from pre-funding retirement benefits for USPS for 75 years. (That mandate began after 2006 when of course the public service not a business had healthy profits) Would you believe it's still sitting in the United States Senate collecting dust?

Would you believe that the reason your stamps and other costs are so inexpensive after all these years is because it is still mandated how much the USPS can charge/raise prices? 

I must have missed your posts and others' posts when wealthy corporations and individuals recently received hundreds of billions of dollars. I must have missed your and others' posts about the almost trillion dollar military/defense budget. (Wouldn't you want those thank you for your service veterans to receive their medications?) What's that the Defense Department has lost trillions of dollars and Veterans can't get their meds too?

Are you aware the USPS is the most popular bipartisan government organization? Good luck with going after that.

Why isn't your first thought just before an election: Let's make sure during a pandemic that every single person votes that can and wants to vote. ?

Why isn't your next thought appreciation of the service (not a business) that the USPS provides, and your third thought acknowledgement of how well it was doing prior to being forced by a lame duck congress in 2006 to provide funding that no other public or private entity has ever had to do before? Or its 50% minority employment?

Interesting how this works.

In 1864, 150,000 Union soldiers voted by mail.

[Babybluejeans]

Anyone who has convinced themselves mail voting (done for centuries) is now going to lead to voter fraud: remember when Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by millions, so he concocted an explanation that there was voter fraud? And then he created a commission to investigate — yes, that really happened — but they could find no evidence whatsoever and had to disband? https://apnews.com/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d/Report:-Trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud

Yet here again, Trump is faced with the very real prospect he’s going to lose, so he can only trot out the same “fraud” line that was proven false. And worse, while in a position of power, he’s using it as pretext to deny people their ability to vote by constructing barriers around the voting process (sound familiar?). That’s what withholding funding to USPS is about, but don’t take my word for it, take his — “They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots.”

So you can perform mental gymnastics to convince yourself that the fraud claim is true, but it isn’t. It’s as fictitious as the last time Trump tried this.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

To some defenders, the “fraud” is allowing brown people to vote.

[vogue65]

Many people want what is fair.

You (and some others) repeat the same thing every few weeks or months. Yet you and those others never seem to add the "Why" it is inefficient in your comments. And you never seem to point out the very quick and easy things that would make it better. Here I'll help you.

The United States House passed legislation that would stop forcing the USPS from pre-funding retirement benefits for USPS for 75 years. (That mandate began after 2006 when of course the public service not a business had healthy profits) Would you believe it's still sitting in the United States Senate collecting dust?

Would you believe that the reason your stamps and other costs are so inexpensive after all these years is because it is still mandated how much the USPS can charge/raise prices? 

I must have missed your posts and others' posts when wealthy corporations and individuals recently received hundreds of billions of dollars. I must have missed your and others' posts about the almost trillion dollar military/defense budget. (Wouldn't you want those thank you for your service veterans to receive their medications?) What's that the Defense Department has lost trillions of dollars and Veterans can't get their meds too?

Are you aware the USPS is the most popular bipartisan government organization? Good luck with going after that.

Why isn't your first thought just before an election: Let's make sure during a pandemic that every single person votes that can and wants to vote. ?

Why isn't your next thought appreciation of the service (not a business) that the USPS provides, and your third thought acknowledgement of how well it was doing prior to being forced by a lame duck congress in 2006 to provide funding that no other public or private entity has ever had to do before? Or its 50% minority employment?

Interesting how this works.

In 1864, 150,000 Union soldiers voted by mail.

Stop with the hisory, Trump said the pandemic of 1918 ended World War II.  We are living in a new world of altered reality. 

No use tryig to win a useless argument with an ideologue.  These people know everything you said is true, they don't care.  They will do whatever it takes to further their ideology. 

Don't waste your breath, they don't care.   Yes, there are some people who just don't know the truth, but the folks around here know the truth, but they don't care.  They have an agenda, did I say, they don't care?

[vogue65]

Anyone who has convinced themselves mail voting (done for centuries) is now going to lead to voter fraud: remember when Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by millions, so he concocted an explanation that there was voter fraud? And then he created a commission to investigate — yes, that really happened — but they could find no evidence whatsoever and had to disband? https://apnews.com/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d/Report:-Trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud

Yet here again, Trump is faced with the very real prospect he’s going to lose, so he can only trot out the same “fraud” line that was proven false. And worse, while in a position of power, he’s using it as pretext to deny people their ability to vote by constructing barriers around the voting process (sound familiar?). That’s what withholding funding to USPS is about, but don’t take my word for it, take his — “They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots.”

So you can perform mental gymnastics to convince yourself that the fraud claim is true, but it isn’t. It’s as fictitious as the last time Trump tried this.

They know that, they don't care.

[vogue65]

The postal service shenanigans are as old as government itself. The M/O: Go to the legislative and executive branch, hold something of vital importance (i.e., mail in ballots) hostage unless you get the funding you want.

The Postal Service is doing to Congress what school districts in Illinois have done for years: "Give us more tax dollars or we'll defund football. Or we won't be able to teach English and History. Or..."

The postal service is the same way. It's one of the most incredibly inefficient organizations in America. It's payroll is padded and its operation is horse and buggy in a fan jet era.

Time for Congress to call their bluff, as the President did, and tell them, "do your job and quit your complaining!"

Party line ideology, in other words, you don't care.  Don't bother with the rationalizations and propaganda, just be honest and say, hay man, I don't care.