Recruiting as of 5/15/25

[muguru]

So you want what Al did from 1969-77?

Basically yes. I want #1 overall rankings(obviously not all the time) i want top 4 NCAA seeds regularly..i want to be a legitimate threat to make the Elite 8/Final Four almost every year. I want to be Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina. And most of all I want at least one more National Championship. Thats Elite

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

If being a top 15-20 program with an occasional run to the Elite 8 and even a Final 4 is elite, I'll subscribe.

Touché. Give me 08-13 type production year in and year out and id be happy as a clam. I could see MU taking another step though - Buzz was awfully close.

[Goose]

Jamil

I agree, Buzz was damn close. Closest we have been since '77.

[forgetful]

Crean left because Indiana is a historically better program, with more prestige, deeper pockets, a bigger contract to offer, and a more settled conference situation.
It wasn't because he wanted to put in minimal effort. It wasn't because of Iman Shumphert or Bobby Fraser or any other recruit.
It was because he viewed Indiana as a better job.

I should probably have been more clear.  I was going off the assumption that Crean left because of losing Shumpert (I do not believe that is the case).  If that was the reason he left, then it would mean he left so he could put in minimal effort.  I don't want that type of coach at MU.

Wojo is not that type of coach, so he isn't going to start looking elsewhere if he loses a recruiting battle, and he is not going to stop working his ass off and going after 5* recruits. 

[dgies9156]

So you want what Al did from 1969-77?

Damn straight we do!

[JakeBarnes]

Is this a done deal yet?

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Crean left because Indiana is a historically better program, with more prestige, deeper pockets, a bigger contract to offer, and a more settled conference situation.
It wasn't because he wanted to put in minimal effort. It wasn't because of Iman Shumphert or Bobby Fraser or any other recruit.
It was because he viewed Indiana as a better job.

Omg thx for saying what i was too lazy to type.  Christ some of these posts are inane

[warriorchick]

Omg thx for saying what i was too lazy to type.  Christ some of these posts are inane

[muguru]

I know in the grand scheme of things its no big deal but KU shouldnt do things like this.

https://twitter.com/KUStudentSec/status/923369185333338113

[MomofMUltiples]

Four months ago, Joey Hauser committed to MU and we were deliriously happy with  the 2018 recruiting class and excited for next season's team.  Then Wojo, with a presumed full slate of scholarships for 2018, suddenly goes after a 5 star, top 20 (at least) point guard that every blue blood is recruiting and miraculously, we end up in his final four - maybe even final 2.  This tells me a number of things.  First, there was no reason for Wojo to go after QG unless he had a reasonable belief that he could get him, which suggests he had at least some understanding of what Q was looking for.  Second, the relationship developed crazy fast when other folks had presumably been pursuing him for a number of years.  How? Why? It feels like there had to be some connection/relationship that put Wojo so quickly on the map.  Third, Wojo shooting for the stars shows us that he intends to create a top program here, and as soon as he can.

As for QG's mother going to Kansas, didn't BD tell us that if it was up to his mom, Q would be at Marquette?  And isn't this the first step of getting elite players to consider our program?  The fact that Quentin looked at us at all says we are worth a look, so maybe we don't get him but we get the 5 Jalens we want in 2019 and 2020.

Not getting Q but making it to his final 2 is not the ending, it's the beginning of selling this program to elite players.  We have the top 3 point shooter in D1 ball.  This year, we have three deadeye shooters and maybe even some heft in the middle.  Next year, more heft (morrow) and a program to which a popular NBA star entrusts his son.

This is a time for rejoicing watching our program rise from the dumps, not agonizing over whether one guy is going to pick us when our recruiting class is already seemingly full.  Getting Grimes would be amazing and I'm already planning my celebration GIF for the thread when we do.  Not getting him will still be a step ahead for the program. We are on the rise, Scoopers!

And if you can't buy into what I'm saying, just go read Chick's tag line.

[jsglow]

Four months ago, Joey Hauser committed to MU and we were deliriously happy with  the 2018 recruiting class and excited for next season's team.  Then Wojo, with a presumed full slate of scholarships for 2018, suddenly goes after a 5 star, top 20 (at least) point guard that every blue blood is recruiting and miraculously, we end up in his final four - maybe even final 2.  This tells me a number of things.  First, there was no reason for Wojo to go after QG unless he had a reasonable belief that he could get him, which suggests he had at least some understanding of what Q was looking for.  Second, the relationship developed crazy fast when other folks had presumably been pursuing him for a number of years.  How? Why? It feels like there had to be some connection/relationship that put Wojo so quickly on the map.  Third, Wojo shooting for the stars shows us that he intends to create a top program here, and as soon as he can.

As for QG's mother going to Kansas, didn't BD tell us that if it was up to his mom, Q would be at Marquette?  And isn't this the first step of getting elite players to consider our program?  The fact that Quentin looked at us at all says we are worth a look, so maybe we don't get him but we get the 5 Jalens we want in 2019 and 2020.

Not getting Q but making it to his final 2 is not the ending, it's the beginning of selling this program to elite players.  We have the top 3 point shooter in D1 ball.  This year, we have three deadeye shooters and maybe even some heft in the middle.  Next year, more heft (morrow) and a program to which a popular NBA star entrusts his son.

This is a time for rejoicing watching our program rise from the dumps, not agonizing over whether one guy is going to pick us when our recruiting class is already seemingly full.  Getting Grimes would be amazing and I'm already planning my celebration GIF for the thread when we do.  Not getting him will still be a step ahead for the program. We are on the rise, Scoopers!

And if you can't buy into what I'm saying, just go read Chick's tag line.

I really like smart women.   

[warriorchick]

Four months ago, Joey Hauser committed to MU and we were deliriously happy with  the 2018 recruiting class and excited for next season's team.  Then Wojo, with a presumed full slate of scholarships for 2018, suddenly goes after a 5 star, top 20 (at least) point guard that every blue blood is recruiting and miraculously, we end up in his final four - maybe even final 2.  This tells me a number of things.  First, there was no reason for Wojo to go after QG unless he had a reasonable belief that he could get him, which suggests he had at least some understanding of what Q was looking for.  Second, the relationship developed crazy fast when other folks had presumably been pursuing him for a number of years.  How? Why? It feels like there had to be some connection/relationship that put Wojo so quickly on the map.  Third, Wojo shooting for the stars shows us that he intends to create a top program here, and as soon as he can.

As for QG's mother going to Kansas, didn't BD tell us that if it was up to his mom, Q would be at Marquette?  And isn't this the first step of getting elite players to consider our program?  The fact that Quentin looked at us at all says we are worth a look, so maybe we don't get him but we get the 5 Jalens we want in 2019 and 2020.

Not getting Q but making it to his final 2 is not the ending, it's the beginning of selling this program to elite players.  We have the top 3 point shooter in D1 ball.  This year, we have three deadeye shooters and maybe even some heft in the middle.  Next year, more heft (morrow) and a program to which a popular NBA star entrusts his son.

This is a time for rejoicing watching our program rise from the dumps, not agonizing over whether one guy is going to pick us when our recruiting class is already seemingly full.  Getting Grimes would be amazing and I'm already planning my celebration GIF for the thread when we do.  Not getting him will still be a step ahead for the program. We are on the rise, Scoopers!

And if you can't buy into what I'm saying, just go read Chick's tag line.

I agree with this analysis.

[brewcity77]

The reason Grimes is so important is because he's part of the recruiting blueprint that started with Henry Ellenson. HE showed that we can put five-star one-and-done types into the first round of the NBA Draft.

The next big step is to do the same with an out-of-state player. If you want to go head to head with Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke not just occasionally but regularly, you have to be able to prove you can be just as good a breeding ground for one-and-done talent as they are.

I don't think Wojo would give up on those players if Grimes goes elsewhere, but if he does come here and is a one-and-done, the theory is that it opens the door for more players to do the same.

I fully believe based on what I've heard and the way the roster is built that this is all part of the plan. Get a number of talented 3-4 year players so the pieces are in place to allow the marquee talents to come in and shine.

We think in terms of a medium sized program. We had 2003 and 2013, but by and large we've been a program that scraps for NCAA bids and hopes for the occasional second weekend. That's just who we are. But that's NOT who Wojo is. He's used to recruiting top-10 players and competing for National Championships. That's who he is, and I have zero doubt whatsoever that's what he wants to do here. To do so, he doesn't need to beat Kentucky or Kansas once, he needs this to be the first of many.

The plan isn't to get Grimes and celebrate a five-star, it's for Grimes to be the next in a long, long line of future five-stars where Wojo can get back to recruiting at the level he has done for the better part of twenty years. That's why this recruitment matters to the staff. Because they hope it be the next step on a path that ends with Marquette being the next Duke in 15-20 years.

[goldeneagle91114]

I agree with this analysis.

I can get on board with this too,but.. if we miss on grimes, lets slow this "moral victory" conversation. If we don't land Grimes i read things like this "we are rebuilding... being 1 of the final 2 can still help recruiting" montra. but when UW misses out, we call them "bridesmaids" and say that it only counts if you land the kid.

So.. Which is it?

Sorry to be a downer, haha!

[naginiF]

Basically yes. I want #1 overall rankings(obviously not all the time) i want top 4 NCAA seeds regularly..i want to be a legitimate threat to make the Elite 8/Final Four almost every year. I want to be Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina. And most of all I want at least one more National Championship. Thats Elite

We all want those things.  I hope you don't confuse want with expect (or deserve, or need, or......) because you're going to be disappointed if you do.

[jesmu84]

Wojo went after Grimes because he knew the connection. All this hyperbole about it breaking his back is for naught. The deal is done.

Sounds like a positive statement. I guess I don't care about how you know or where you heard. I'm more curious if you'd be willing to expand on "he knew the connection"? What is the "connection"?

[B. McBannerson]

Basically yes. I want #1 overall rankings(obviously not all the time) i want top 4 NCAA seeds regularly..i want to be a legitimate threat to make the Elite 8/Final Four almost every year. I want to be Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina. And most of all I want at least one more National Championship. Thats Elite

Do you also want 3 Network channels, SD, no internet, a return to Independent status, short shorts, freshmen ineligibility, etc?

[B. McBannerson]

This year.  Greg Elliott.

Does your beloved IU count as "a program like MSU, KU, UK?"  If so, Markus the year before.

Beloved IU?  Ha

Greg Elliott is a 3 star recruit, nowhere close to what Hank and Joey are.  The same goes for Markus.

Are you comparing Elliott and Howard to Grimes in terms of level of prospect?  If so, then you and I are clearly viewing things differently.

[wadesworld]

Both of those kids from the state of Wisconsin.  Grimes is not.  When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?

Beloved IU?  Ha

Greg Elliott is a 3 star recruit, nowhere close to what Hank and Joey are.  The same goes for Markus.

Are you comparing Elliott and Howard to Grimes in terms of level of prospect?  If so, then you and I are clearly viewing things differently.

Wait, so when you said, "When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?" you didn't mean, "When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?"

Well, if we want to shift the goalposts after your point was proven wrong, then dang, you're right chicolooper!

Also, my apologies. I forgot your lover boy Tom Crean (is that the true love of your life your heartfelt Scoop apology was referring to?) was fired by IU so they are no longer your beloved IU, they're just II, II now.

[forgetful]

Beloved IU?  Ha

Greg Elliott is a 3 star recruit, nowhere close to what Hank and Joey are.  The same goes for Markus.

Are you comparing Elliott and Howard to Grimes in terms of level of prospect?  If so, then you and I are clearly viewing things differently.

Markus was ranked 25 by 247 and 32 by ESPN before reclassifying.  His dad played football at Indiana (Like Grimes' Mom going to KU).  To say there are no comparisons with Markus is one of the dumber things you have said on these boards.

Also, as noted by Wades, changing the criteria after you are proven wrong is just plain dumb.

[brewcity77]

Also, as noted by Wades, changing the criteria after you are proven wrong is just plain dumb.

If you can't move the goalposts, you can't always be right, and if you can't always be right, what's the point of the internet?

[Herman Cain]

QG is a good prospect.

We have put forth the effort to court him and his family and now among the final four. We are up against 1) the flagship state university where the kid has a pre exisitng relationship with several players. 2) A blue blood where the mother attended and 3) A Blue Blood with the 2nd best recruiter in college basketball history. From everything I have heard publicly and privately, we are still  in the running on this prospect. All of this is a good thing for our program. If he picks MU I believe our program will be a good place for him.

That said. I do not view QG as any thing more than a good  prospect who is is physically developed on a team with a whole bunch of kids who have high ceilings that are not as well developed physcially. The attraction is he can come in and contribute at a time when the rest of our team is reaching a higher level of their potential. Hence, the notion he could be the missing piece to a very good season.

We are going to continue to recruit prospects who are highly regarded whether QG signs or not. We have a lot to offer and quality kids will continue to take us up on our offers.

[Galway Eagle]

Beloved IU?  Ha

Greg Elliott is a 3 star recruit, nowhere close to what Hank and Joey are.  The same goes for Markus.

Are you comparing Elliott and Howard to Grimes in terms of level of prospect?  If so, then you and I are clearly viewing things differently.

Umm I understand if you don't want to include Elliott in that statement but Howard was as highly touted or more than Joey, not saying he's on Grimes or Henry's level but certainly was head and shoulders about Elliot.

[We R Final Four]

The reason Grimes is so important is because he's part of the recruiting blueprint that started with Henry Ellenson. HE showed that we can put five-star one-and-done types into the first round of the NBA Draft.

The next big step is to do the same with an out-of-state player. If you want to go head to head with Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke not just occasionally but regularly, you have to be able to prove you can be just as good a breeding ground for one-and-done talent as they are.

I don't think Wojo would give up on those players if Grimes goes elsewhere, but if he does come here and is a one-and-done, the theory is that it opens the door for more players to do the same.

I fully believe based on what I've heard and the way the roster is built that this is all part of the plan. Get a number of talented 3-4 year players so the pieces are in place to allow the marquee talents to come in and shine.

We think in terms of a medium sized program. We had 2003 and 2013, but by and large we've been a program that scraps for NCAA bids and hopes for the occasional second weekend. That's just who we are. But that's NOT who Wojo is. He's used to recruiting top-10 players and competing for National Championships. That's who he is, and I have zero doubt whatsoever that's what he wants to do here. To do so, he doesn't need to beat Kentucky or Kansas once, he needs this to be the first of many.

The plan isn't to get Grimes and celebrate a five-star, it's for Grimes to be the next in a long, long line of future five-stars where Wojo can get back to recruiting at the level he has done for the better part of twenty years. That's why this recruitment matters to the staff. Because they hope it be the next step on a path that ends with Marquette being the next Duke in 15-20 years.

+1. Right on Brew.

[jesmu84]

Do you also want 3 Network channels, SD, no internet, a return to Independent status, short shorts, freshmen ineligibility, etc?

I do. Isn't that when America was great? MAGA!