Recruiting as of 5/15/25

[jficke13]

I do. Isn't that when America was great? MAGA!

If everyone hates this guy so much, why does everyone antagonize him and engage with his posts?

[B. McBannerson]

Wait, so when you said, "When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?" you didn't mean, "When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?"

Well, if we want to shift the goalposts after your point was proven wrong, then dang, you're right chicolooper!

Also, my apologies. I forgot your lover boy Tom Crean (is that the true love of your life your heartfelt Scoop apology was referring to?) was fired by IU so they are no longer your beloved IU, they're just II, II now.

I thought it was pretty clear.  We were all talking about Grimes and the previous poster mentioned Joey and Hank, two elite recruits.  To which I said  "Both of those kids from the state of Wisconsin.  Grimes is not.  When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?"

Next time I'll be clearer, but there was no moving of goalposts.  Let me be crystal clear this time: When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid (like Grimes) that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?"

I added (like Grimes) since apparently this was too much of a reach for some to connect the dots.

Markus Howard has a RSCI of 71.  That's not in the neighborhood of Hank.

Henry Ellenson had a RSCI of 9
Hauser has currently a RSCI of 35, we will see where that ends up.

Finally, the gay humor jokes, in 2017.  I have one lover, my wife.  I guess you find that kind of humor funny.

[B. McBannerson]

I do. Isn't that when America was great? MAGA!

1960's and 1970's, no that wouldn't be where I would rank America's greatest decades but my life experiences will be different than anyone elses.  Personal choice.  Replicating the 1970's MU had to 2010's and 2020's in basketball is not dealing with reality due to changes that have occurred.

[Galway Eagle]

I thought it was pretty clear.  We were all talking about Grimes and the previous poster mentioned Joey and Hank, two elite recruits.  To which I said  "Both of those kids from the state of Wisconsin.  Grimes is not.  When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?"

Next time I'll be clearer, but there was no moving of goalposts.  Let me be crystal clear this time: When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid (like Grimes) that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?"

I added (like Grimes) since apparently this was too much of a reach for some to connect the dots.

Markus Howard has a RSCI of 71.  That's not in the neighborhood of Hank.

Henry Ellenson had a RSCI of 9
Hauser has currently a RSCI of 35, we will see where that ends up.

Finally, the gay humor jokes, in 2017.  I have one lover, my wife.  I guess you find that kind of humor funny.

Again for Howard's class he was 25 24/7, 32 espn, 50 scout. While not in the neighborhood of hank it is in the neighborhood of QG.

https://www.google.com/amp/usatodayhss.com/2016/findlay-preps-markus-howard-reclassifies-to-2016-commits-to-marquette/amp

[dgies9156]

Not getting Q but making it to his final 2 is not the ending, it's the beginning of selling this program to elite players.  We have the top 3 point shooter in D1 ball.  This year, we have three deadeye shooters and maybe even some heft in the middle.  Next year, more heft (morrow) and a program to which a popular NBA star entrusts his son.

This is a time for rejoicing watching our program rise from the dumps, not agonizing over whether one guy is going to pick us when our recruiting class is already seemingly full.  Getting Grimes would be amazing and I'm already planning my celebration GIF for the thread when we do.  Not getting him will still be a step ahead for the program. We are on the rise, Scoopers!

And if you can't buy into what I'm saying, just go read Chick's tag line.

Mom, I did not excerpt your entire post but I could not agree with you more. The reality is that the more at-bats you get, the more likely it becomes that we get the recruits we want. I'm pleased at the way the program is going.

The Hillbilly left a pile of feces. Coach Wojo is building something special. And, he's doing it the way it should be done -- with four-year players augmented by one or two jucos/transfers/fifth senior seniors etc. Whether we get QG or not, we have a team that in the years ahead can legitimately build on the legacy of Al, The Tanned One and the Hillbilly's better days. Whether we make the Final Four or hang another banner next to 1977 remains to be seen. But we're on track again.

At this point, the only two things that could take us down would be Coach Wojo leaving (God forbid, at this point) or some type of NCAA probation. Neither are even remotely likely now.

Nice to see such brilliant women in the MU fold!

[warriorchick]

Do you also want 3 Network channels, SD, no internet, a return to Independent status, short shorts, freshmen ineligibility, etc?

I, for one, would be perfectly fine with the short shorts coming back.

[swoopem]

I thought it was pretty clear.  We were all talking about Grimes and the previous poster mentioned Joey and Hank, two elite recruits.  To which I said  "Both of those kids from the state of Wisconsin.  Grimes is not.  When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?"

Next time I'll be clearer, but there was no moving of goalposts.  Let me be crystal clear this time: When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid (like Grimes) that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?"

I added (like Grimes) since apparently this was too much of a reach for some to connect the dots.

Markus Howard has a RSCI of 71.  That's not in the neighborhood of Hank.

Henry Ellenson had a RSCI of 9
Hauser has currently a RSCI of 35, we will see where that ends up.

Finally, the gay humor jokes, in 2017.  I have one lover, my wife.  I guess you find that kind of humor funny.

We beat Michigan State for Greg Elliot.

Wojo owns Izzo

[LAZER]

We beat Michigan State for Greg Elliot.

Wojo owns Izzo

What about Tillman and Winston?

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

When was the last time we got an official visit from a 5 star guard from Houston with the first name of Quentin and the last name of Grimes and didn't land him? 

[swoopem]

What about Tillman and Winston?

We're 4-2 against Izzo and I'm being generous by giving MSU Cassius since we weren't even in his top 5

[Silkk the Shaka]

I have one lover, my wife.

Spit out my coffee when I read that line. Might be the Most Chicos Post ever!

[Goose]

Grimes is different than HE and JH because he is out of state. The top programs recruit successfully around the country. I like that Wojo appears to be taking that approach. Keeping in state kids that are high level is top priority, but recruiting nationally is for special programs. Win or lose, kudo's for Wojo reaching for the stars!!

[B. McBannerson]

Again for Howard's class he was 25 24/7, 32 espn, 50 scout. While not in the neighborhood of hank it is in the neighborhood of QG.

https://www.google.com/amp/usatodayhss.com/2016/findlay-preps-markus-howard-reclassifies-to-2016-commits-to-marquette/amp

RSCI pulls them all in to avoid cherry picking one or two outliers.  Of course the challenge in using RSCI or any rating system is it is somewhat dependent on how strong the recruits of that year are.  The 5th best recruit in 2011 might be slotted as 20th in 2015, but benefits from a weaker class.

Markus was not an elite recruit in the same way as Henry, which was my comment.  I don't think the comparison to Hauser holds either. Grimes is a 5 star recruit, Markus was not.   I love Markus, kid is a stud, but would not put them on the same level of Grimes, Hauser, Hank which was the point I was attempting to articulate.  MU landing that level of recruit away from top programs that don't have Wisconsin ties (Hauser / Hank) has usually meant we finish close, but no cigar.  No shame in that.  I certainly hope Mr. Grimes lands here. It would be the rare exception.

[bilsu]

RSCI pulls them all in to avoid cherry picking one or two outliers.  Of course the challenge in using RSCI or any rating system is it is somewhat dependent on how strong the recruits of that year are.  The 5th best recruit in 2011 might be slotted as 20th in 2015, but benefits from a weaker class.

Markus was not an elite recruit in the same way as Henry, which was my comment.  I don't think the comparison to Hauser holds either. Grimes is a 5 star recruit, Markus was not.   I love Markus, kid is a stud, but would not put them on the same level of Grimes, Hauser, Hank which was the point I was attempting to articulate.  MU landing that level of recruit away from top programs that don't have Wisconsin ties (Hauser / Hank) has usually meant we finish close, but no cigar.  No shame in that.  I certainly hope Mr. Grimes lands here. It would be the rare exception.

I have no doubt that Markus would of been a McDonald's All-American, if he had not reclassified.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

1960's and 1970's, no that wouldn't be where I would rank America's greatest decades

Because by then those uppity minorities were starting to demand their rights as human beings, and women no longer knew their place.  It's Pleasantville for chicos, but Pleasantville before stupid Tobey McGuire and Reese Witherspoon ruined everything.

[brewcity77]

Markus Howard has a RSCI of 71.  That's not in the neighborhood of Hank.

Markus Howard had an artificially lowered RSCI because he reclassified late. Had he stayed in his class he would've been top-30, I think there's zero doubt about that. And my guess is most likely he would've ended up even higher than that. Most likely would've been a McDonald's All-American and top-25 player, which is just south of where Grimes is at.

[MUWarrior4Life]

Four months ago, Joey Hauser committed to MU and we were deliriously happy with  the 2018 recruiting class and excited for next season's team.  Then Wojo, with a presumed full slate of scholarships for 2018, suddenly goes after a 5 star, top 20 (at least) point guard that every blue blood is recruiting and miraculously, we end up in his final four - maybe even final 2.  This tells me a number of things.  First, there was no reason for Wojo to go after QG unless he had a reasonable belief that he could get him, which suggests he had at least some understanding of what Q was looking for.  Second, the relationship developed crazy fast when other folks had presumably been pursuing him for a number of years.  How? Why? It feels like there had to be some connection/relationship that put Wojo so quickly on the map.  Third, Wojo shooting for the stars shows us that he intends to create a top program here, and as soon as he can.

As for QG's mother going to Kansas, didn't BD tell us that if it was up to his mom, Q would be at Marquette?  And isn't this the first step of getting elite players to consider our program?  The fact that Quentin looked at us at all says we are worth a look, so maybe we don't get him but we get the 5 Jalens we want in 2019 and 2020.

Not getting Q but making it to his final 2 is not the ending, it's the beginning of selling this program to elite players.  We have the top 3 point shooter in D1 ball.  This year, we have three deadeye shooters and maybe even some heft in the middle.  Next year, more heft (morrow) and a program to which a popular NBA star entrusts his son.

This is a time for rejoicing watching our program rise from the dumps, not agonizing over whether one guy is going to pick us when our recruiting class is already seemingly full.  Getting Grimes would be amazing and I'm already planning my celebration GIF for the thread when we do.  Not getting him will still be a step ahead for the program. We are on the rise, Scoopers!

And if you can't buy into what I'm saying, just go read Chick's tag line.

Nuff said

[Silkk the Shaka]

RSCI pulls them all in to avoid cherry picking one or two outliers.  Of course the challenge in using RSCI or any rating system is it is somewhat dependent on how strong the recruits of that year are.  The 5th best recruit in 2011 might be slotted as 20th in 2015, but benefits from a weaker class.

Markus was not an elite recruit in the same way as Henry, which was my comment.  I don't think the comparison to Hauser holds either. Grimes is a 5 star recruit, Markus was not.   I love Markus, kid is a stud, but would not put them on the same level of Grimes, Hauser, Hank which was the point I was attempting to articulate.  MU landing that level of recruit away from top programs that don't have Wisconsin ties (Hauser / Hank) has usually meant we finish close, but no cigar.  No shame in that.  I certainly hope Mr. Grimes lands here. It would be the rare exception.

Markus was a leading scorer on team USA. Before reclassifying, he was in the same range as Joey. He was a high level recruit from out of state.

These are facts.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Markus Howard had an artificially lowered RSCI because he reclassified late. Had he stayed in his class he would've been top-30, I think there's zero doubt about that. And my guess is most likely he would've ended up even higher than that. Most likely would've been a McDonald's All-American and top-25 player, which is just south of where Grimes is at.

so chicos = zero?

[wadesworld]

I thought it was pretty clear.  We were all talking about Grimes and the previous poster mentioned Joey and Hank, two elite recruits.  To which I said  "Both of those kids from the state of Wisconsin.  Grimes is not.  When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?"

Next time I'll be clearer, but there was no moving of goalposts.  Let me be crystal clear this time: When is the last time we beat out a program like MSU, KU, UK for a kid (like Grimes) that didn't have ties to the state of Wisconsin?"

I added (like Grimes) since apparently this was too much of a reach for some to connect the dots.

Markus Howard has a RSCI of 71.  That's not in the neighborhood of Hank.

Henry Ellenson had a RSCI of 9
Hauser has currently a RSCI of 35, we will see where that ends up.

Finally, the gay humor jokes, in 2017.  I have one lover, my wife.  I guess you find that kind of humor funny.

Right. You asked when the last time MU beat our the likes of UK, KU, MSU for an out of state recruit. Then you got upset that someone alerted you it was a whopping 6 months ago, and those goalposts got shifted real fast! I don't know what "like Grimes" even means. 6'5"? From Texas? Point guard? It seems like "like Grimes" should be meaning "someone who is recruited by one of the schools I listed, which." Which Greg Elliot, of course, was. So like Grimes, Elliot was recruited by the likes of Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan State. And like Grimes, he's an out of state recruit. So the answer remains, Greg Elliot 6 months ago!

You're the only one making it gay humor. You have a man crush on Tom Crean. If you find that "gay" that's on you. I have my own man crushes and am comfortable enough with my own sexuality that I don't have to accuse others of being incensitive towards gay people when someone might bring it up. Sorry, your super creepy apology about never wanting to come back to Scoop where you talked about the real love of your life not being your wife had me confused.

[brewcity77]

so chicos = zero?

If he doubts that Markus, then yes. As noted above, most of his ratings were top-30 and that was before he went to the FIBA U-17 Championships and was third on the USA team in scoring while connecting on over 48% of his threes. After that, he would've been rated higher in his class than he already was, not lower as he outplayed many players who did end up on McDonald's teams.

The only reason he was rated 71 in RSCI is because he was reclassified at the end. Services just slapped him in their top-100s late and called it a day.

[GB Warrior]

If you can't move the goalposts, you can't always be right, and if you can't always be right, what's the point of the internet?

With all due respect to Keefe's haikus, this is the most poetic thing I have ever read on Scoop.

[manny31]

Right. You asked when the last time MU beat our the likes of UK, KU, MSU for an out of state recruit. Then you got upset that someone alerted you it was a whopping 6 months ago, and those goalposts got shifted real fast! I don't know what "like Grimes" even means. 6'5"? From Texas? Point guard? It seems like "like Grimes" should be meaning "someone who is recruited by one of the schools I listed, which." Which Greg Elliot, of course, was. So like Grimes, Elliot was recruited by the likes of Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan State. And like Grimes, he's an out of state recruit. So the answer remains, Greg Elliot 6 months ago!

You're the only one making it gay humor. You have a man crush on Tom Crean. If you find that "gay" that's on you. I have my own man crushes and am comfortable enough with my own sexuality that I don't have to accuse others of being incensitive towards gay people when someone might bring it up. Sorry, your super creepy apology about never wanting to come back to Scoop where you talked about the real love of your life not being your wife had me confused.

This is why I can't stay away from scoop.....Damn Gina, game,set and match to QW.......

I think MU has a good chance at QG, if he doesn't I will be disappointed but it is just a matter of time before Wojo gets a 5 star on campus and that 5 star perceives that he really is the missing piece that will put MU in a position to compete for NC. The future looks pretty bright to me.

[MU82]

I really like the long takes a little earlier in this thread by Momo and brew. You can't see me of course, but I am bowing and saying, "I am not worthy!"

I realize the importance of landing a recruit like QC, but I have too much going on in my life to jump off the ledge if we don't get him. Some will say that kind of talk is selling our program short or "rationalizing defeat" or whatever. I think it's just common sense.

As to whether or not we will return to "elite" status and/or if Wojo will be around to guide us there ... those are always fun, evergreen conversations. I love that we have so many passionate MU fans here, even if I sometimes wonder about some of us (including myself some days!).

As for Banny McBannerson, not sure why people even keep engaging him. He's been banned, so he's not even really here, right? He shifts the goalpost to serve his narratives, and then shifts his ID to keep returning where he's not welcome. What about "banned" isn't understood here?

Then again, it is always entertaining to watch Banny get completely taken down by wades, Lenny or any number of other witty Scoopers ... and then, predictably, get defended by rocketman. So whatevs.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

so chicos = zero?

Does zero = loser in life?